Yet another war crime. Public opinion is turning too…

I doubt you'll be hearing much from for a while. I'm just too enraged by the gross obscenity of Israeli actions to remain rational – seeing red, the red mist – and all that. I hope it does not sound trite to say I believe I have some insight into the burning contempt and hatred that Palestinians feel for the Israeli State.

It was born of the terrorist violence of its subsequent senior military and political figures and, if there is any justice whatsoever in this world, the continuing grossness of its swaggering violence (to maintain its existence on stolen land and borrowed time) will be its Nemesis – and not a moment too soon IMHO.

Bombarding the UN with white phosphorus, after indignantly denying that they were using it at all. That will be an interesting test case. Let's see if the Israelis can talk their way out of it, or of the Western press will have to fall back on Plan B – simply ignoring the news altogether.

I am convinced that Zionists are sub-human vermin. The end of the fake state of Israel will follow the end of its supporter the USA:
http://hegazi.blogspot.com/2009/01/end-of-usa-emp…

Mohammed,

Cruel, vicious, fanatic, deluded, rapacious, murderous, evil – I would this morning agree with all those adjectives for the actions of the Zionists. Sub-human, no.

Actually, it is because they are human that there is absolutely no excuse.

Come on Mohammed, "Zionists are sub-human vermin" just will not do. They are flawed, delusional human beings just like the rest of us. It's just that when people accumulate too much money and power they almost inevitably behave badly.

MJ

I'm flawed but don't count me in on the delusional bit.

To describe the slaughter as behaving badly is bizarre.

When a human has no pity for the suffering of others then I categorise that person as subhuman.

http://tinyurl.com/a4jjtn

'Kill Jews' graffiti in London

You won't see this in any of the mainstream media.

Why not?

Because no-one dares say that Islamists and their far left allies are engaging in racist attacks.

Mr Bradfield

As far as I'm aware the mainstream media rarely concerns itself with reporting graffiti.

Secondly, what is your evidence that the graffiti in question was put there by 'Islamists and their far left allies'? Traditionally, anti-Jewish sentiments of this kind are more normally associated with the far right.

Christopher Bradfield

And how exactly do you know from that article that they are Islamists or from the far left?

I'm still unsure of this term "Zionist" which gets thrown around. As I understand it the idea began as a secular socialist response to oppression in Europe & Russia. Relating this to the current activities of the IDF seems a stretch to me.

We would be more accurate in our criticism if we talked about a militaristic element in the political body of the State of Israel which is, I guess, run by a small select group, but by law employs almost everyone at sometime or another. This gives it a unique hold on the citizens, but this also makes it subservient to the overall body of opinion. Given that position it is no surprise they will pursue a policy of minimum risk to their troops, irrespective of the risk to others. In doing so they employ superficially effective military tactics, but a short sighted strategy, and an appallingly poor political one.

I think it was General Patton who advocated that a short but brutal war is better than a protracted one. Israel is trapped in a protracted brutal war because the IDF refuses to risk its troops, hence the use of WP as a smokescreen despite the obvious risks to non combatants. If they were serious about defeating Hamas they would commit troops, and accept losses. Unable to do this because of political weakness they resort to mechanised warfare which has been shown to be ineffective, most recently in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This has far reaching implications for Israeli citizens, for all the anger and impotence we feel, we should spare a thought for those people trapped within Israel, many of whom must be watching events unfold with dread and horror.

Events drive people, not vice versa.

Chris Bradfield,

One has to be careful about attributing the 'kill jews' grafitti to anyone in particular without evidence. The reason is that there have been cases, highly publicised cases in recent years where the guilty people involved were actually not Muslims, far-left, or even white racists.

Obviously such grafitti expresses dreadful views and should be condemned by any sane person. Not all Jews worldwide, or inside Israel, support the murderous policies of their government, as not all Germans supported Hitler.

Tempers are obviously running very high at the momnent as the civilian casualties in Gaza explode, mostly women and children. Something must be done to stop these terrible racist attacks too.

I suppose supporters of the Israel war machine will still be denying that Israel deliberately targets civilians even in light of the huge evidence to the contrary.

Did anyone watch the interview with the Former Israeli Foreign Minister on More4 News who claimed the ceasefire was broken by Hamas but the reporter challenged him quoting the document given by the Israeli government which stated that Hamas had indeed maintained the ceasefire & hadn't fired a single rocket.

He got angry & accused her of inventing the facts.

LOL!!

Read the article: "Cops said the youths were Asian, who were wearing dark tops and may have been seen outside a fast food restaurant earlier."

That's how we know.

Christopher,

well being Asian makes it a bit more likely that they are Muslim – but as I am sure you know, not conclusively

I don't think really dangerous Islamic militants go around with paint sprays. But your premise that this kind of thing is not reported is simply untrue – I have seen numerous TV News featrures on the dangers that Idrael's attacks will lead to increased anti-semitism – which I fear they logically will.

I deplore the spraying of racist grafitti. It is illegal and the law should be enforced. But is it quite as serious a crime as killing hundreds of women and children and spraying the United Nations with illegal white phosphorous weapons.

Come on, Mr Bradfield. I condemn without reservation the spraying of racist grafitti, including the example you quote.

Now let me hear you condemn without reservation the killing of women and children, the use of white phosphorous, and the shelling of the UN in Gaza.

Craig,

Do you have a link to the source of the John Ging quote? (It would be very useful in a debate I'm having elsewhere on the Web.)

John,

People drive events too. We are not really controlled by 'fate' we are actors as well. What are events anyway? Aren't they just the collective actions of lots of people rolled up?

Anyway, enough of philosophy, seems odd when so many people are dying in hideous ways, lots of kids and women.

Here is a interesting fact, make of it what you will. I think it speaks for itself. The Western aid agencies have all prepared for this by giving the precise GPS map co-ordinates of their buildings and compounds to the Israel authorities and the Israel armed forces, I can't stand this phrase the Israeli Defence Forces.

What this means is that it should be very difficult to explain how it was possible for the Israelis to hit these facilities unintentionally. One can of course say, as ususal, that this was an 'accident' and unfortunate, this is always the public Israeli Army line, which on multiple occassions during this conflict has proven to be less than reliable.

Using massive fire-power and collosally destructive munitions in a tigthly crowded urban environment like Gaza, is arguably a war-crime in itself, because one is certain there will be massive civilian losses.

Furthermore, Israel keeps telling everyone how incredibly accurate their smart weapons are and how careful their soldiers are when using them. On the other hand they try to explain away these 'unintentional' episodes by saying they were accidents, can one have it both ways? Either their weapons are super-accurate and computer controlled, or they aren't and therefore they shouldn't be using them in built-up area.

The foreign aid agencies aren't stupid or staffed by liars in Gaza, they can't afford to be. They control everyone entering their buildings and compounds, because they know how dangerous it is to have anyone the Israelis are hunting on their premises. So the Israeli view and argumentation, that Hamas regularly hides out in these buildings, has bunkers under them, and arms stores, is highly questionable. In fact I know that the aid agencies, many of them Christian based, have repeatedly denied that their areas are open or used by Hamas. This is Israeli propaganda design to excuse their bombing of civilian targets, yet another war-crime.

They also hit a high-rise in central Gaza today, again deliberately, where foreign jounalists were stationed.

There are also reliable reports and eye-witness accounts that Israeli snipers, firing high-powered super-rifles are targetting and killing civilians, even though they are armed with white flags. Not only this. They are shooting children as well. An increasing number of children are being admitted and treated for bullet wounds, single, bullet wounds, the mark of the sniper.

Sorrry this is so long, but what else can one do to help? At least what's happening shouldn't be ignored.

The Israels are deliberately targetting civilians to terrorise them for obvious reasons. Similarly they are attacking foreign relief angencies because they simply think they are too friendly towards the enemy and support them. They especiall dislike the United Nations because it's too neutral, and as we know, one is either with us, or against us! Increasingly Israel is frustratedl, angry and hostile to those international agencies that make the lives of Palestinians slightly better or bearable, when Israel wants them to be worse, so bad Gaza will slowly collapse and die.

Also the international agencies are unwelcome witnesses to Israeli atrocities and war-crimes, as is the international press, which is why they are increasingly attacking journalists and denying them access to Gaza.

So much of all this is blatently illegal under international law, but the list of Israeli war-crimes under this conflict is getting too long to mention. Perhaps I should just mention that Israeli political leaders and Generals have made public statements that openly, almost brazenly, document that their policies and tactics are war-crimes. I'm not making this up. Just one example. Tzipi Livni – Hamas isn't showing any restraint in attacking civilian targets, so why should we?'

Roger,

I transcribed it as he was speaking live on Sky News.

Craig

Read the article: "Cops said the youths were Asian, who were wearing dark tops and may have been seen outside a fast food restaurant earlier."

That's how we know.

Christopher Bradfield

Ah I See, the dark tops is a sure give away!!

Craig wrote:

"I transcribed it as he was speaking live on Sky News."

Many thanks.

The Israeli Zionists show no humanity and know no laws.

@Roger Lancefield

CNN have reproduced John Ging's quote:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/15/gaza.ai…

Hope this helps

Craig

I'm glad you responded to Mr Hegazi. I believe your response was the correct one. Some people ought to try rereading Primo Levi who explained very clearly the brutality of the Nazis started with the dehumanising of their victims.

Mr Hegazi, I've looked at your site and it reminds me of many of the appalling Zionist sites that rejoice in the slaughter of Palestinians. It is the other side of the same coin and it disgusts me to the same extent.

writerman

I think it is obvious the IDF are out of control. At the moment Mr Olmert and Mr Barak's stories do not match up, according to Mr Barak it was a mistake, according to Mr Olmert they came under fire from the UN facility. I think this indicates that the Israeli government is not in control of the situation.

Mr Ban should demand the names of the people responsible for the shelling, the person that gave the order, the person that set the coordinates and the person that pressed the button.

Christopher Bradfield,

A local newspaper reporter wrote, "Cops said the youths were Asian, who were wearing dark tops and may have been seen outside a fast food restaurant earlier."

You offer, "That's how we know."

No no no… … . All we KNOW is that a reporter wrote that. No where does the reporter say that HE was told this by the police.

Maybe the police did say it, but the reporter doesn't say that the police witnessed the attack on the van. Probably someone told the police what they thought they saw, which the police pass on, so the reporter writes what he did. It's standard gutter-level reporting of crime in local newspapers. The police themselves say that eye-witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

Please, if you feel this is all a bit convoluted, read the accounts (not newspaper reports) of the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting. And then please review what you will believe in the future when you read in a newspaper a reporter who writes, "Cops said… … … … "

I hope that all the people condemning these Israeli war crimes are also making representation to their political representatives as well.

The House of Commons International Development Committee recommends sanctions 'where a sufficiently egregious case of human rights abuse has been established as to warrant economic sanctions, the EU should not be deterred from imposing them.' – may be worth pointing this out to your MP in light of Israel's latest acts of barbarity.

MEP's must be contacted to demand the cancelation of the EU/Israel trade agreement…and it wouldn't do any harm to complain to the BBC and Ofcom about the "reporting" on Gaza either.

Don't waste time and energy arguing with zionists, actively lobby for justice for Palestine instead! There are more of us, its just we aren't as well organised. We need to take a leaf out of the zionist lobby book and network more, and beat them at their own game.

Agitate! Educate! Organise!

Is my memory right when it tells me that during the bombardment of Lebanon by Israel a couple of years ago, Israel bombed and destroyed a UN observation post, killing the workers inside, despite the UN telling the Israelis where they were? And also telling the Israelis that their fire was getting dangerously close to the observation post? If I remember correctly, it was even filmed by someone. Has that war crime ever reached the courts? If not, there's zero chance of any of the current batch of crimes doing so.

Here's the first justification – from the IHT

"Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed regret for the incident but said that Israeli forces were fired on by Hamas militants from just outside the compound and that the militants raced inside the compound to take cover, Olmert's spokesman, Mark Regev said."

ken, you remember correctly but I've never seen a video. Kofi Annan described the attack as "apparently deliberate", Blair called it "apparently accidental". It would be interesting to see an exhaustive list of UN buildings attacked in recent years, and by whom.

Isn't that an aggressive act against the rest of the world?

I'm not convinced that gratuitous violence such as Craig mentioned are evidence of Israeli policy. I read an article recently by a retired US servicemen who said that the IDF's lack of career NCOs caused squad and platoon level behaviours to be unpredictable and uncontrollable. It also reminded me of the Stanford Prison Experiment: give one group of people power over another and bullying will arise very quickly. Military discipline should counter-act that, but perhaps not without professional NCOs.

A somewhat relevant link: a US serviceman disputes the claim that the US military would have reacted the same way as the IDF, citing the response to attacks on the Green Zone in Iraq, and disputes Israel's explanation for the UN school shelling.
http://community.nytimes.com/article/comments/200…

"Isn't that an aggressive act against the rest of the world?"

I've just remembered the reports that Dubya wanted to trick Iraq into shooting at an apparently UN aircraft to provide a casus belli against Iraq.

This is interesting link

Jewish British leader are calling for arms embargo against Israel.

will our government listen?

From Aljazeera English;

Just watch apologists for Zionist entity crimes attempts to justify bombing the UN compound, and compare it with this piece of news.

Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for Unrwa, robustly denied that Palestinian fighters were among refugees sheltering there.

"At no stage during the fighting today did any Israeli official pick up the phone and tell us there were militants in our compound.

"We always take action against militants … there were no militants in our compound and now they [the Israelis] are changing their story, saying militants were 'in the vicinity'," he said.

Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, said Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister, had apologised for the attack describing it as a "grave mistake".

Just watch apologists for Zionist entity crimes attempts to justify bombing the UN compound, and compare it with this piece of news.

Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for Unrwa, robustly denied that Palestinian fighters were among refugees sheltering there.

"At no stage during the fighting today did any Israeli official pick up the phone and tell us there were militants in our compound.

"We always take action against militants … there were no militants in our compound and now they [the Israelis] are changing their story, saying militants were 'in the vicinity'," he said.

Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, said Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister, had apologised for the attack describing it as a "grave mistake".

I should probably return to the manuscript of 'The Tattooed Lady' which is an erotic and violent story of anarchist terrorists in Zarist Russia and deals with the power of love and hate. It's the first of a trilogy about love and hate. Nicole Kidman might, just possibly, magically, turn into the tattooed lady, but that's still a secret.

However, that kind of writing seems somewhat self-indulgent at times like these. Is it 2009, or 1909, or 1939? Maybe I should just finish of the rest of the Krug and get really drunk? I'm celebrating a royalty check, but I'm not really enjoying much today. Too much killing and destruction, too many wasted lives.

I've been elsewhere on the web and I feel drained from combat in the word wars. It's so destructive. No real, meaningful debate, just words used as bullets and missiles. The shape of things to come?

I've been reading some interesting stuff about the internal workings of the Israeli security services. It seems they have highly intelligent, skilled, educated and knowlegdable analysts who provide the political leadership with the briefings they think and know the politicians want to hear. Information that massages their egos and panders to their ideologies and prejudices. But internally they have another set of priorities and an internal record which more often than not, radically contradicts the advice they give the politicians, the stuff that's used for public consumption.

Apparently inside the Israeli intelligence community one is fully aware of just how dangerous and counter-productive Israel's policy towards the Palestinians really is. And the official Israeli 'narative' about the nature of the conflict and the role of the Palestinians, is just that, a narative, a story. In reality the Palestinians have been desparate and willing to engage in meaningful negotiations about a permanent peace, a grand and painful compromise, but the Israeli political leadership wasn't interested and gave nothing in return, continually undermining the Palestinian moderates and strengthening the position of the extremists, decade after decade. Odd really, if one genuinely wants peace. Hard to explain, unless…

Correction.

In my last post, the quote from aljazeera english starts from ( Christopher Gunness). the line before that was mine not aljazeera's.

Craig wrote (at 2:31) to Christopher Bradfield:

"Now let me hear you condemn without reservation the killing of women and children, the use of white phosphorous, and the shelling of the UN in Gaza."

No surprise that we've not heard back from Mr. Bradfield. Nor from Jonathan Hoffman when you asked essentially the same question.

Oh what a jolly jape. We won't see anti-Jewish graffiti in the media? Um okay, so how come everyone is debating the precise wording of the article? Oh dear, it seems it was in the media, after all.

As for who did it, it's perfectly likely that it was Jewish people. I've lost count of how many synagogues were vandalised or torched by Jews. My favourite was that French woman who beat herself up in the metro and drew swastikas on her own stomach. Silly woman. She should have picked a place with less CCTV.

Nothing ever comes of it, of course. Apparently faking racist attacks, blaming others, and inciting hatred where none otherwise existed is perfectly forgivable,

But seriously if you want an example of graffiti you'll never see in the mainstream media, google 'arabs to the gas chambers'. Bloody anti-Semites!

nobody:

Any chance of listing some of those self-inflicted attacks? Not that I don't believe you – I have heard of this before – but it would be a useful resource for some of us.

I've seen photographs of supposed Palestinian "militants" in balaclavas which, when examined closely, revealed that at least one of them was wearing s Star of David on a chain around his neck.

There are extremists on both sides. There are attacks on Jews. However, what's disturbing is the increasing number of attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank by Jewish, religious, extremists and their ability to get away with it, compared to Palestinian attackers.

And another thing, two main tactics seem to be employed in the 'word war' in the media. The tactic of attrition, where pro-Israeli voices just go on an on, wearing down the critics, taking up time and stamina. And secondly the diversionary tactic where all sorts of other things are dragged into the 'debate' for the same basic purpose. The dubious historical parallels are used a precedents to justify or explain Israel's actions, and the terror bombing of Dresden wasn't criticised so why criticise Israel for Gaza and on, and on, down into hell.

I don't see how they can deny using white phosphorous: it's there in the press photos and video for all to see. Just how stupid do they think we are? Oh, hang on…

What's happened to that gobshite Jonathan Hoffman?

He appears to have gone quite as his lies are being exposed.

Do people appreciate how sinister the situation really is? On Israeli TV, rabbis and legal scholars are reassuring the peopl that they must be tough, the enemy is "evil", and genocide is permitted.

Rabbi declares: There are no innocent civilians:
http://adamite.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/rabbi-dec…

In this Israeli news bulletin, Rabbi David Bar-Chayim declares:

"We're talking about a society that is dedicated to murder, and savagery and barbarism."

"It is against the Torah, and against common sense and basic universal human morality that we should endanger even one of our soldiers when fighting such evil, the sole purpose of which is to destroy us."

"'When the evil are destroyed, there is rejoicing.' … These people are evil. When such people are destroyed, we have no tears to shed."

"I don't believe that there are any innocent civilians."

This is what the Israeli people are watching, night after night, on their TV sets…

"We're talking about a society that is dedicated to murder, and savagery and barbarism."

Sorry, which side is this again?

It's remarkable that neither rabbi considers that their reasoning cuts both ways – indeed their reasoning is much the same as that of Hamas. Each side likes to think that they only react to the other's provocations.

Who started it? The Stern Gang and similar started it in 1947, and it's been tit-for-tat ever since.

What concerns me is the possibility of a fascist/religious faction in Israel gaining political power down the line. I know some will argue this has already happened, but the loonies waiting in the wings are far, far, worse.

Given the militaristic, religious, nationalist, chauvanist character of much Israel politics, and the tendancy for nationalism and militarism to evolve into something quite horrific, especially when melded with rascism, we'd be well advised to be on our guard in relation to developments in Israel.

If a 'democratic' government can launch such an horrific attack on Gaza, with impunity and disregard for civilian losses, when it isn't under any real threat militarily; what wouldn't a 'fascist' regime be capable of under the 'wrong' circumstances?

I realise this sounds rather inflamatory, but it's worth considering seriously isn't it? Remember Israel has two to three hundred nuclear warheads. Imagine a religious/fascist regime in control of that lot! And we know/suspect that the rockets are also pointed at European capitals and cities too, don't we?

In a few decades time, around 2040, the Palestinian population inside Israel will probably become the majority ethnic group, with all that implies. So Israel will not only be surrounded by a Palestinian majority and hostile and radicalised Arab nations, it will also have millions of increasingly restive Palestinians inside its borders. Think about that and what it means for the dream of Zionism and Israel's 'Jewish character'!

Obviously the concept of an exclusively Jewish state, with an agressive Zionist ideology is impossible to maintain over the long term in the Middle East. It's not just a political and military impossibility, it's a demographic and cultural impossibility as well. Israel has to aim for peaceful integration into the Middle East, not forcing the Middle East to accept Israel in its terms. That is arguably an insane fantasy that only fanatics could believe in.

So we in the rest of the world, we can probably forget about the American politicians as they appear to have been 'bought' by Israel, have to try to save Israel from itself and somehow undermine the flow towards the exstreme right before it's too late. We don't actually have that much time.

amk,

back to our debate about comparing Zionism to Nazism, here is an article you might like to read:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=82545&sectio…

Interesting – thanks.

"By Matthias Chang

January 02, 2009 "Global Research" —

God gave us a brain to think, to think naturally and in simple terms, and not in a complicated way.

When we think naturally and use common sense to address problems we will be able to arrive at simple solutions.

But our education system tortures us mentally and forces us to think in complicated ways. Our teachers, economists, politicians and so-called experts in God and religion make mountains out of mole-hills, turning simple truths to complex arguments and "scientific theories and equations".

These experts need to make things look difficult to survive and to make sure that we have to rely upon them for solutions. It is often said that, "in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is the King".

Thinking used to be a pleasure and so very invigorating. But now experts have ensured that thinking is difficult and tiring, so burdensome, that we don't think at all.

The result is that common sense is thrown out of the window, and we have been conditioned to rely on our mental crutch, the so-called experts to think for us.

How sad."

Hello Tom. The beauty of the internet is that you don't need me at all. In a stand up fight between me and google, google will thrash my pants off (or sarong, as the case may be). I suggest 'fake anti-semitic attack' as a good starting point.

This is not a criticism of you Tom (I'm sure you're a fine fellow), but demands for links and proof etc is a tactic designed to make a fellow run around and do as the other fellow commands. Well bugger that. Since when did I agree to play by some Academic version of Marquis of Queensbury? With google a mouse click away, demands by the usual suspects that I do the aforementioned is merely a declaration on their part that they're incurious and otherwise too lazy to go look themselves. Given that they've told us this about themselves, other deductions can be made, ie. where they're coming from.

Sorry Tom, can I repeat once more that this is not a criticism of you? I understand that you're curious. My criticism here is of the incurious, those who will never change their mind regardless of how much proof is, or isn't, provided.

For these individuals, demands for proof etc. is just another tactic along with trashing definitions, straw man, ad hominem, words-in-mouth, limited hangout, and every other goddamn thing designed to bring heat but no light. As ever, wickedness is best carried out in darkness.

All the best and see how you go.

"In a few decades time, around 2040, the Palestinian population inside Israel will probably become the majority ethnic group, with all that implies."

Writerman:

Jonathan Cook has been predicting for some time the expulsion of the "Arabs within". Israel has been presenting them as a fifth column, and it would appear they are preparing the ground for another round of ethnic cleansing.

Jonathan Cook's predictions have so far come to pass…

As for the present regime in Israel, its propaganda is worthy of Goebbels right now. No need to talk of a fantasy future.

Russian-speaking Israelis are calling throughout the internet for genocide now.

I believe Gerald Kaufman has judged the situation accurately: Nazi murderers have already taken power in Israel.

10 November 2006

"The "hidden agenda" behind Israel's so-called "unilateral disengagement plan" (leading to the 2005 evacuation of Jewish Settlers) is to transform Gaza into a concentration camp."

"How long will the Western media, which claims to be balanced, continue to justify Israeli war crimes?"

"CLICK BELOW TO VIEW"

"VIDEO: MASSACRE OF PALESTINIAN WOMEN AND CHILDREN"
http://tinyurl.com/2tq8xz

10 November 2006…"The "hidden agenda" behind Israel's so-called "unilateral disengagement plan" (leading to the 2005 evacuation of Jewish Settlers) is to transform Gaza into a concentration camp."…

And it came to pass.

Zanjabila

17% of the voters in Kaufman's Manchester seat are Muslim. In the 2005 election the LibDems had a Muslim candidate, Qassim Afzal. He boosted the LibDem vote by 11.9% while Kaufman's vote fell by 9.6%.

Of course electoral considerations would not shape Kaufman's views, would they – he's far too moral for that, isn't he …..

"I believe Gerald Kaufman has judged the situation accurately: Nazi murderers have already taken power in Israel"

Zanjabila

"Previous hard core supporters of Zionism are now questioning the whole ideology of the state of Israel. Why is this?"

"Labour MP Gerald Kaufman fits your description. The more rational, secular supporters of Israel, among Jews especially, have come to realise that far from Israel defending the security of Jews it's putting them in danger."…
http://tinyurl.com/7k5v36

What we are witnessing is a Zionist civil war about the way to promote Isreal it has NOTHING to do with helping the Palestinian people.

"and the clue is in Kaufman's last words "They are not simply war criminals, they are fools."

A Middle East Piece Plan.

I can't stand, especially after the 'Rape of Gaza' listening to Israeli politicains, genrals and apologists using the word 'peace' and 'peace process.' The hypocracy just overwhelms me, the cant; are these people self-delusional? Probably. How else does one 'rationalise' the mass slaughter of helpless and innocent civilians. It's not our fault, they brought it on themselves! Perhaps I should just add, for perspective and to show how incredibly dangerous this kind of 'logical' thinking really is; that Nazis used precisely this type of 'reasoning' to explain and justify what they were doing to the lower races. Once an Israeli PM said something like, "What I can't forgive them for is forcing us to kill their children!"

I's sick of the 'peace process' so here's my idea for an alternative 'piece process.' It's not based on the word 'peace' but on the word 'land.'

Israel, if it really wants 'peace' should announce publically to the entire world that it has no plans to permanently occupy Palesinian land, not one piece of it. That it will give back all the land captured in the 1967 six day war. Golan, Gaza, West Bank, East Jerusalem – the lot. At the same time it calls a total and unilateral ceasefire and begins withdrawing from the occupied territories, piece by piece, slowly, but surely.

The rate of withdrawal would be based on the cessation of violence on both sides. That is every week or month without attacks from the Palestinians would result in Israel giving back a bit more land. This would be deeds not words and show that Israel was serious and acting in good faith. This would be a real 'piece process.'

The 'militants' would be undermind too, as their mantra and 'lies' that Israel isn't really interested in a just and lasting peace, only in pieces of Palestinian land, would be shown to be false at a stroke. And if they still attacked Israel, the 'piece process' would stop and everyone would see that Hamas wasn't genuinely interested in peace at all only war and destruction and they were ready to sacrifice the prospect of a viable Palestinian homeland for the fantasy of destroying Israel.

This is, of course, a very simple idea, but that is probably its beauty and what makes it so powerful, everybody, all over the world can understand it. It isn't complex, but unfortunately it does go right to the core of the conflict. Land is the core of the conflict. Israel want to have and control it all, all of historic Palestine. This is what I believe, all the evidence points in this direction and has done for decades.

So this simple piece plan is unlikely to come from Israel. In fact, it's similar the Saudi, Arab League, peace plan from a few years ago. Only my plan is even more simple, easy to understand and part of a flexible process with clear incentives for both sides and obvious benefits going forward, with concrete results on the ground.

But Israel rejected the Saudi plan, something most people don't know, how likely are they to accept my plan then? Probably not very likely at all. Because the nationalist/religious parties are still dreaming of the ultimate Zionist dream/fantasy of Greater Israel, a dream/nightmare that will only lead everyone ultimately towards disaster.

But if Europe broke with the United States and Israel and called a conference together with the Arab League and presneted my plan for implimentation together with the larger Saudi initiative, this would really put the Israelis in difficult position. Are they really interested in 'peace' or not? Or is it just 'pieces' of Arab land they want? It might even if the Saudis put money behind an international media campaign to promote the plan, circumventing the Western media, there are lost of ways to do this today, as Craig's book project shows. Such a strategy might even undermine the militants inside Israel and not just Hamas, and influence Israeli public opinion and the rights stranglehold on Israel. Because we have to believe that ordinary Israelis like ordinary Palestinians don't want more war and more killing for ever, don't we? Otherwise there really is no hope.

"Otherwise there really is no hope"

writerman

There really is no hope.

An ode to mankind…
http://tinyurl.com/78fgh9

You can think things,you can believe things,you can be sure and certain off things…there is always one fool who knows things.

George Dutton,

But one can 'know' or feel that there is no hope, I suppose, but one can't live like it's true surely?

As I've always had the looks and moral codex of a Knight. I can't live like this, accepting we're all doomed. Even if it were true, it's not my way. Though I may 'die' some days, I rise again the next, renewed and ready for battle. I go out looking for demons, dragons, devils and trolls to vanquish, beautiful maidens to rescue and save, the downtrodden to fight for, justice to serve, honour to defend and wrongs to be righted. I'm still striving to find the Holy Grail! One lives by being alive!

Gerald Kaufman's motives are neither here nor there. The fact is he speaks the truth.
http://adamite.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/flood-of-…

Some excerpts from the above article:

Bombs would fall under other circumstances, but when influential rabbis call for the total annihilation of the Palestinians the world watches without blinking, writes Saleh Al-Naami.

"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts." This was the religious opinion issued one week ago by Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, director of the Tsomet Institute, a long-established religious institute attended by students and soldiers in the Israeli settlements of the West Bank. In an article published by numerous religious Israeli newspapers two weeks ago and run by the liberal Haaretz on 26 March, Rosen asserted that there is evidence in the Torah to justify this stand.

The true outrage is that most of those authorised to issue Jewish religious opinions support the view of Rabbi Rosen, as confirmed by Haaretz newspaper.

What grants the racist religious opinions a deeper and far-reaching impact is the fact that for the last decade followers of the Zionist religious current, who form nearly 10 per cent of the population, have been seeking to take control of the army and security institutions. They are doing so through volunteering for service in special combat units. The spokesperson's office in the Israeli army says that although the percentage of followers of this current is low in the state's demographic makeup, they form more than 50 per cent of the officers in the Israeli army and more than 60 per cent of its special unit commanders.

Palestinian writer and researcher Abdul-Hakim Mufid, from the city Um Fahem, holds that the religious opinions of rabbis have gained major significance due to the harmony between official rhetoric and that of the rabbis.

Mufid points out that when the official political institution is in a crisis, the Zionist consensus behind these religious opinions grows more intense, and offers as an example the religious opinions relied upon by Rabbi Meir Kahane in the early 1980s to justify his call to forcefully expel the Palestinians.

"Tel-Aviv: Around 10,000 Jews and Arabs in a militant protest against the war. 10,000s, mostly Israeli-Palestinians, demonstrate in Northern Israel"

"After what seems to be the deadliest week in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for 40 years, many have demonstrated around the world against the barbaric actions of the Israeli regime."

"Two main protests have been organised in Israel, against a background of brutal anti-democratic moves by the regime to silence opposition to the war. These have included threats by the secret services and mass arrests in the recent week, mainly of Israeli-Palestinians – 300 are thought to be still held."…
http://tinyurl.com/94noeu

"Even if it were true, it's not my way"

writerman

Well said.

Strange Gazan deaths and injuries

Although Mr Olmert's announcement was only a first step towards halting the conflict in Gaza, the UN is not the only international body insisting that inquiries must be held as soon as possible into the tactics and weapons used by Israel. Erik Fosse, a Norwegian doctor who worked in Gaza's hospitals during the conflict, said that Israel was using so-called Dime (dense inert metal explosive) bombs designed to produce an intense explosion in a small space. The bombs are packed with tungsten powder, which has the effect of shrapnel but often dissolves in human tissue, making it difficult to discover the cause of injuries.

Dr Fosse said he had seen a number of patients with extensive injuries to their lower bodies. "It was as if they had stepped on a mine, but there was no shrapnel in the wounds," he said. "Some had lost their legs. It looked as though they had been sliced off. I have been to war zones for 30 years, but I have never seen such injuries before." However, the injuries matched photographs and descriptions in medical literature of the effects of Dime bombs.

"All the patients I saw had been hit by bombs fired from unmanned drones," said Dr Fosse, head of the Norwegian Aid Committee. "The bomb hit the ground near them and exploded." His colleague, Mads Gilbert, accused Israel of using the territory as a testing ground for a new, "extremely nasty" type of explosive. "This is a new generation of small explosive that detonates with extreme power and dissipates its power within a range of five to 10 metres," he said.

According to military databases, Dime bombs are intended for use where conventional weapons might kill or injure bystanders ?" to kill combatants in a house, for example, without harming people next door. Instead of being made from metal, which sprays shrapnel across a wide area, the casing is carbon fibre. Part of the motive for developing the bombs was to replace the use of depleted uranium, but Dr Fosse said the cancer risk from tungsten powde was well known. "These patients should be followed up to see if there are any carcinogenic effects," he said.

While the loudest controversy has been over accusations that white phosphorus was illegally used, other foreign doctors working in Gaza have reported injuries they cannot explain. Professor Mohammed Sayed Khalifa, a cardiac consultant from Sudan, said that two of his patients had had uncontrollable bleeding. "One had a chest operation, and continued bleeding even after having been given large quantities of plasma," he said. "The other had what seemed to be a minor leg injury, but collapsed with profuse bleeding. Something was interfering with the clotting process. I have never seen such a thing before."

Dr Ahmed Almi, an Egyptian cardio-thoracic consultant at al-Nasser hospital in Khan Younis in southern Gaza, said he had seen a number of patients with inexplicable injuries. A boy of 14 had a small puncture wound in his head, but extensive damage to his brain, making it impossible to save his life. "I don't know the nature or type of these weapons that make a very small entry wound and go on and make massive destruction in the tissues," he said.

Israeli military representatives have refused to confirm or deny using specific weapons, but insist that all Israel's weapons comply with international law. Neither white phosphorus nor Dime bombs are illegal, but campaigners say the way they have been used, especially in Gaza's densely packed urban areas, could constitute a war crime.

Source:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-ea…

This goes with my post at 10:17 PM above…

"Fluid Intelligence"

"Don't be trapped by dogma ?" which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition."

"Steve Jobs, Apple CEO, in 2005 commencement address at Stanford University"

"Fluid Intelligence

In exploring personal and global transformation, it is important to talk about the concept of fluid intelligence in relation to the ability to grow and expand our awareness. Fluid intelligence has little to do with IQ or "book" intelligence. It is rather the ability to step outside of our beliefs and consider information which does not fit into our previously accepted view of reality.

Our deepest beliefs and conceptions about life and the world are to some degree conditioned by our childhood experiences, our education, the mass media, and various other external influences. An individual's level of fluid intelligence can be determined based on the degree to which he or she is able to let go of previously held conceptions on encountering reliable information or experiences which show these conceptions to be mistaken or overly simplistic.

At the other end of the spectrum from fluid intelligence is static intelligence. If an individual is rarely willing to reconsider or challenge their established beliefs, they are said to have a high degree of static intelligence. They aren't much interested in thinking outside of the box"…
http://tinyurl.com/dfeupn

Dear Craig, you do not seem to tier from your quest to speak the truth.

You have been mistreated for not playing the 'Old school tie' game. You could of easily shut up about the horrible things that the British government has done.

Now you are being sidelined by the mainstream media. Put to the back of the fridge to rot. If I can pull you forward a bit by putting a link on my website, which gets a couple of thousand visits each month then I will, with your permission.

You are a brave man.

Hickey.