English Idiots at the Telegraph

by craig on May 14, 2009 8:28 pm in Sleaze

200px-ArgyllButeConstituency_svg.png

That is a map of Argyll and Bute constituency taken from Wikipedia. It is huge, and as you might imagine communications around it are pretty difficult. It contains at least a dozen different inhabited islands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyll_and_Bute_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

In a straight line it is about 150 miles from its northernmost to southernmost point. As is obvious, you can’t actually travel around it in straight lines without a helicopter.

Yet those purblind London oriented fools at the Telegraph think it is a scandal that the MP, Alan Reid, claimed £1500 on bed and breakfast within his own constituency. That would be four days stay for Hazel Belars in the Clerkenwell Hotel, but it was in fact Alan reid putting in the hard miles needed to be a good MP in his wonderful constituency – which makes the best whiskies in the world.

The real scandal here is the purblind stupidity of the English idiots of the Telegraph, who thinks that North means Islington and West means Chelsea.

75 Comments

  1. Anonymous

    14 May, 2009 - 9:00 pm

    r u on crack?

  2. HappyClappy

    14 May, 2009 - 9:02 pm

    Well noted Craig.

    Journos in general are a bunch of lazy, cheating, and loud mouthed operatives, however adding ignorance into the mix, then you have the perfect Telegraph editor, and Journos.

    These guys are so damn lazy that they could not be bothered to look up the Wikipedia, although their prejudice would not have registered the large distances and overnight stays for the trips necessary, after all it is so small when you look at it on the monitor, anyone can just walk from one end to the other in one or two steps.

  3. wonkotsane

    14 May, 2009 - 9:30 pm

    Is there any need for the racial slur? What about the Scottish idiots that work for the Telegraph? Do you know for a fact that the only people at the Telegraph who worked on this story were English? The chances are, with the number of Scottish communists in the London media, that there were Scots involved in it. Are they idiots as well or is it only the English that are idiots?

    I’d have thought an Honorary Research Fellow at the University of Lancaster School of Law would have been reluctant to publish racist material on the internet.

  4. Craig

    14 May, 2009 - 9:59 pm

    Is there any need for the racial slur?

    Yes.

  5. Anonymous

    14 May, 2009 - 10:03 pm

    What a racist.English idiots? What about brown,darling,foulkes and martin etc lying thieving fraudsters and SCOTTISH

  6. Stephen Gash

    14 May, 2009 - 10:08 pm

    What does Alan Reid do in his “wonderful constituency ” after devolution? He’s redundant there which is why he comes down to England to vote on English matters without being answerable to those whose life he affects.

    He should stay in his “wonderful constituency ” and mind his own business.

  7. Craig

    14 May, 2009 - 10:08 pm

    Yes, Brown, Darling, Foulkes and Martin are Scottish knaves. Happy to go along with that.

    I wan’t claiming all English people are idiots, just the ones at the Telegraph. Some English people are very bright. My mum, for one.

  8. Helen Wright

    14 May, 2009 - 10:21 pm

    English idiots? How do you know the nationalities of those employed at the Telegraph? Have you asked them? Will you be posting that those other people from different nations, including Scotland, who are employed at the Telegraph, are also idiots?

    What a racist tosser you are! Your English mum must be very proud of raising such an anti-English, racist scumbag to represent the family.

  9. Craig

    14 May, 2009 - 10:29 pm

    Well, Helen, the Telegraph article I refer to was written by Martin Beckford, who is English. So is the Political Editor and ao is the Editor. So the particular idiots involved were, indeed, English.

    That is relevant, becuase if they had been Scottish they would have understood why the MP for Argyll and Bute might need to move around B & Bs.

  10. John D. Monkey

    14 May, 2009 - 10:29 pm

    Craig,

    You’ve lost the plot with this one.

    These people are lazy journalists because they are lazy journalists, not because they are English (if indeed they are).

    Anyway, although I do like Islay malts Highland Park from Orkney is arguably the best whisky…

  11. John

    14 May, 2009 - 10:31 pm

    Bitter and twisted Scot with an inferiority complex, yes, yet another.

    Look, more often than not, England thrashed Scortland in all those medieval battles, either get over it, go pour a dram and whack on your Special extended edition Braveheart DVD, or seek medical help.

    Theres a good Jock Jock.

  12. Craig

    14 May, 2009 - 10:33 pm

    John,

    Wow you English are thin-skinned!

    If they had been Scottish, even the laziest journo there would understand the problems of being MP for Argyll and Bute. They displayed an arrogant disregard for the facts in the case that is not just lazy journalism, it is typical of English journalism about Scotland.

  13. Terry Blake

    14 May, 2009 - 10:44 pm

    You call yourself a former British Ambassador and Human Rights Activist?

    My goodness, but you should be ashamed of yourself. What a load of racist drivel you just spouted. I have posted this link on Twitter. As I type, your nasty racist comments are being discussed on Facebook as well.

    It is the human right of Englshmen, women and children anywhere, not to be racially abused by you.

  14. Craig

    14 May, 2009 - 10:56 pm

    John D Monkey,

    I agree Highland Park is very very good. You get unlimited amounts when you speak at the Edinburgh Book Festival, which makes it very worthwhile. Bit I just love the back of the nose peatiness of Islay.

  15. MJ

    14 May, 2009 - 10:57 pm

    According to your biography page Craig you were born and brought up in West Runton. To the best of my knowledge that’s in Norfolk (I went to the occasional gig there at the Pavilion). You say here that you have an English mother.

    The masthead of your site however describes you as Scottish. Please advise.

  16. Leo Davidson

    14 May, 2009 - 10:59 pm

    Not being an idiot, I found it very easy to understand what Craig meant:

    These people don’t know about this part of the world because they are English (or rather not Scottish).

    Given that, these people are idiots for not looking up what they were talking about before opening their mouths in ignorance.

    Thus they are English and they are idiots. They are English idiots.

    Or non-Scottish idiots, but that doesn’t have quite the ring to it, does it?

    I don’t imagine Scottish people have much of a problem about other nationalities talking pish about their area/people, either (as they’re unlikely to get involved at all), so the problem of ignorant non-Scottish people talking rubbish about Scotland is a particularly English one. Thus the term English idiots seems fine in this context.

    I am English and did not feel Craig was calling me an idiot.

  17. Anonymous

    14 May, 2009 - 11:00 pm

    “Craig is much in demand as a hilarious after dinner speaker”.

    ———-

    His “Hilarity” is not confined to his freebie lunches in Scottish Bingo halls it seems!

  18. HappyClappy

    14 May, 2009 - 11:09 pm

    It is nice to see the little englanders getting all hetup, and indignant!

    Racist, etc. whilst the same bunch have not so much as raised the slightest peep about the constant drip of anti Muslim, and anti all things immigrant, to the extent of some disowning St George the Turkish in favour of Odin (albeit yet another immigrant, but not from those brown lands).

    Fact is sleep with dogs and get up with flees allegory applied, holster you indignations, you have been working hard for what is coming your way.

    All Craig has done, is to hold a mirror; the face that is seen and you don’t like is yours, and not anyone else’s.

    Keep up the good work Craig, we the savvy people, know what you are driving at.

  19. Anonymous

    14 May, 2009 - 11:09 pm

    Me thinks the people getting offended over this are either faking it or, dare I say it, English idiots themselves.

    And I say that as an English person.

  20. IMarcher

    14 May, 2009 - 11:09 pm

    Does a Scottish MP need to move about his constituency so much when he represents his constituents only on reserved matters such as defence and foreign policy? Or does he consult his Scottish constituents on whether they want the English to have foundation hospitals, tuition fees, etc. etc?

  21. Craig

    14 May, 2009 - 11:12 pm

    MJ,

    Well, ethnically I am Scots, English, Italian and Dutch in more or less equal parts. I was born in West Runton. I support Norwich City. In internationals I always support Scotland, but am devoted passionately to the England cricket team and to Kent.

    I consider myself Scots, probably because I spent my most formative time there. And maybe partly because my name is Craig Murray. I have lived about a third of my life in England, a third in Scotland, and a third abroad. I am married to an Uzbek of mixed Tajik ancestry.

    As you might imagine, race is not a big issue with me. I do though enjoy the Scottish/English sporting rivalry. And I enjoy winding people up sometimes!

  22. Craig

    14 May, 2009 - 11:17 pm

    Imarcher

    I think you will find that I, like nearly all Scots not in New Labour, completely agree that Scots MPs should not vote on English questions.

  23. Craig

    14 May, 2009 - 11:20 pm

    MJ

    Just noticed your point about the Runton Pavilion. My father was a Scot posted to Norfolk in the RAF. He met my mum at a dance at the Runton Pavilion.

  24. Stephen Gash

    14 May, 2009 - 11:24 pm

    Craig accuses English posters of being sensitive. I seem to remember Scots braying ‘racist’ when Jeremy Clarkson spoke accurately on all counts about the ‘one-eyed Scottish idiot’ in 10 Downing St.

    Also, Scots as a nation got all huffy puffy about David Starkey’s accurate comments about the ‘Celtic nations’.

    Take the Scots pine out of your own eye before sneering about English idots.

    Many English people, perhaps most. don’t want anything to do with Scotland and the animosity towards Scots is growing by the minute the longer this devolution apartheid against the English continues.

  25. Craig

    14 May, 2009 - 11:32 pm

    Where are you mad English nationalists coming from?

    Only New Labour wants to keep the system whereby the Scots can vote on English matters but the English can’t vote on Scottish matters. There is as you say a growing desire for mutual independence.

    Clarkson’s “Scottish idiot” jibe was fine by me. The “one-eyed” bit was not. I cannot stand Brown, but his unfortunate physical disability is not something that should be attacked.

  26. JimmyGiro

    14 May, 2009 - 11:47 pm

    The anarchy shows promise in this thread; I give it two stars.

    **

  27. chris

    14 May, 2009 - 11:48 pm

    Craig, you are spot on with this. I’m from Ayrshire in Scotland and I travel around argyll and But quite a bit and it is no easy task. Some of these Island are quite remote with only 3 ferries a week going to them. I think it is quite commendable that he makes the effort as some of these communities are so isolated their grievences generally aren’t ever heard.

    Concerning the people complaining about your apparent racist tone, i have two words ……. piss off!!! There is nothing racist about calling someone an English idiot if he is an idiot who happens to be English. Seems more like fact to me.

    Anyway, onto more important matters, Highland Park Whisky isn’t a patch on Islay’s Lagavulin – the best whisky in the world.

  28. chris

    15 May, 2009 - 12:00 am

    Stephen Gash,

    Appropriate name because you seem to be talking it. I think you have no idea of what Scotland brings to the UK. We would be happy to separate from England any time which is why Westminster won’t allow a referendum on the matter. What you have to remember is that we have a great deal of resources which you (England) would miss. Oil being the main one. As they haven’t even tapped half of the oil out of the north sea yet it would be interesting to see England getting along without it for the next 50 years. Also we have greater sources for renewable energy than anywhere else in Britain. But you wouldn’t want to share that would you?

    So the next time you complain about us rememeber that we don’t give two sh*ts what you think.

  29. JimmyGiro

    15 May, 2009 - 12:03 am

    Well, at least we’d get our shop doorways back.
    :) )

  30. chris

    15 May, 2009 - 12:11 am

    Didn’t think about that. Our shop doorway are pretty full at the moment!!! Maybe I’m rushing into this a bit too quickly whithout considering everything. Good point!!

  31. Jason

    15 May, 2009 - 12:20 am

    “Our shop doorway are pretty full at the moment!!”

    Reminds me of the Bill Hicks gag – “They say the best way to survive a nuclear strike is by being in a doorway. Great, that means the survivors restarting the human race will be tramps, hookers and junkies…”

  32. chris

    15 May, 2009 - 12:30 am

    …and Scots, apparently!!

  33. David McKelvie

    15 May, 2009 - 1:26 am

    It’s impossible to get around Argyll and Bute in a day by car-and-ferry or by helicopter, so B&Bs are inevitable.

    Ever since Sir Tam Dalyell Bt of The Binns invented the “West Lothian Question” it’s constantly being thrown in the faces of we Scots. What about the West Croydon Question where English MPs have affected voting on purely Scottish matters – or doesn’t that count?

  34. Jason

    15 May, 2009 - 1:47 am

    @Chris

    That punchline just came to me, too! Maybe Glaswegian will emerge as the new world language…

  35. MJ

    15 May, 2009 - 1:48 am

    Hasn’t the thorny West Croydon Question been resolved by the creation of a Scottish parliament?

  36. Tom Kennedy

    15 May, 2009 - 2:58 am

    An Asian man goes to a top surgeon and asks how he can become a Scotsman. The surgeon explains that this will involve a risky operation to remove a third of his brain and that he would advise against it. The Asian man is adamant.

    “I admire the Scottish. All my life I have wanted to be a Scot, please perform the operation. Money is no object”.

    The surgeon relents and agrees to do the op. Unfortunately a terrible mistake is made in theatre, and the surgeon ends up removing two thirds of the man’s brain. He is in a coma for several days, his head encased in bandages. The surgeon keeps vigil at his bedside, afraid that he will be struck off, or worse.

    After several days, the patient’s eyes flicker and slowly open. The surgeon, with tears in his eyes, tells him that a terrible mistake has been made.

    “I’m awfully sorry” he says, “but we have removed two thirds of your brain. How do you feel?” he asks.

    “Absolutely spiffing, old boy” replies the patient.

    - – - – - – - – - – - – - -

    As an Irishman in London in the 80s, I often had to listen to Irish jokes from my English co-workers. We Irish laughed if the jokes were funny, we didn’t usually look for nor take offence. But whenever I told this joke, with “Irishman” replacing “Scotsman”, I cannot remember any English people ever managing to laugh at themselves.

    Are there any English jokes? I can’t think of any others. Why are there so few?

  37. QM

    15 May, 2009 - 4:03 am

    @ Chris

    I had a snigger at your naivity about the oil, England would just buy its oil on the international market where no doubt Scotland would sell it anyway. There’s also the matter of the Gas fields belonging in English waters an English resource, no doubt scotland would be willing to buy some of that.

    However the main crux of the matter comes down to why Alan Reid who only has a mandate on defense and foreign policy have to travel about his constituency? I could understand it of his MSP counterpart though who probably does the real work of a politician in that constituency.

    @ HappyClappy, lets hold up a mirror to the English, can you tell me when was the last time some Scot in England beaten up for wearing a Scottish shirt, or because they had a Scottish accent?

    Before accusing the English of racism, perhaps you’d care to put your own house in order.

  38. Lancelot

    15 May, 2009 - 8:33 am

    Scots most racist nation in the world ring fenced your borders, hate all English ! what a wonderfull race of nice hypocrits you are

    as for Whiskey i prefer English, made in Norfolk,England. St George distillery! we will pinch ye olde trade !

  39. Doc Snoddy

    15 May, 2009 - 9:05 am

    The Asian Gentleman that wanted to become a Scot by having the operation on his brain was waisting his money anyway.

    Because being Asian he would have been circumcised through his religious belief and we all know that to be a Scot you have to be a complete PRICK.

  40. David McKelvie

    15 May, 2009 - 9:11 am

    *MJ:

    “Hasn’t the thorny West Croydon Question been resolved by the creation of a Scottish parliament?”

    So why do the English still whinge about the West Lothian Question?

    No, the answer is that it hasn’t, and won’t be until two things happen: the English get their own parliament, and the Westminster Parliament behaves as a truly Union parliament which it never has from 1707 to date.

    The Union could have worked equitably if the English had not simply carried on as they had been doing before and simply treated Scotland as a rather large and fractious English county.

    And there’s rivers of bad blood that have flowed since then, mostly of the English’s own doing – did you know that many Highlanders and their families were sold into slavery in the West Indies after 1746?

  41. Ed

    15 May, 2009 - 9:22 am

    @Tom Kennedy

    Allow me to be the first English person to laugh at your “absolutely spiffing” joke. Nice one. I like it.

    @Doc Snoddy

    Allow me to laugh at that one too. Nice one. I like it.

  42. BRIAN

    15 May, 2009 - 9:38 am

    Dear English Football Association

    As a representative of the Scottish Football Association, I would like to inform you that we wish to change the way the English Football team is managed to bring it more in line with the way our Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, is running Britain.

    This will involve the following:

    1. The Manager of the Scottish team is allowed to be involved with the running of the English team. However, the manager of the English team should have no say whatsoever in the running of the Scottish team. This shall be known as the West Lothian Question.

    2. A sizable proportion of any money the English Football Association raises from, say sponsorship or crowd takings, shall be given to the Scottish Football Association, regardless as to whether you need it or not. This does not apply the other way round. This is known as the Barnett Formula.

    3. You are not to call yourself England any longer. You will now be known as the British Regions. We, on the other hand, are still to be known as Scotland, “a proud and noble nation”.

    4. Medical treatment to your players will be limited to a few treatments because of cost. No such stringent limitation applies to Scotland.

    5. If your playing surfaces are flooded, then do not expect much assistance. However, Scottish pitches will be adequately provided for in the event of flooding.

    6. From this moment on, the English Football Association will cease to exist. However, the Scottish Football Association will be allowed to continue to work independently.

    A failure to follow these rules will see you branded as arrogant, selfish and unfair.

    I’m sure you will find this to your satisfaction. After all, you seem to be happy with this state of affairs with your political system, so why not your Football team?

    Yours sincerely

    Mr G Brown.

    PS You English are so naive, you are being abolished and don’t even realise it.

  43. Terry

    15 May, 2009 - 9:46 am

    When Clarkson called Brown a Scottish idiot, all hell broke loose (despite the obvious facts that he is 1. Scottish and 2. a prize idiot). Questions were asked in the UK Parliament and he was forced to apologise, for god’s sake!

    When the English object along the same lines to the kind of nonsense written by Craig, we’re ‘thin skinned’ ‘cus we’re only messin’. I can’t find a single post from a Scot objecting to this twaddle… just more of the same.

    jeez. I wish the SNP would field some candidates down here, Scotland would be independent by Christmas

  44. Chris

    15 May, 2009 - 10:04 am

    Chris meet Chris….. I thought names were normally unique on blogs…. obviously I’m wrong. Fortunately I agree with my alter ego although I am not Scottish.

    However, as one who spent many, many happy holidays in the highlands I found the people to be fantastic. Not quite so fond of the whisky though.

    As for the rest of you ranting fellow Englishmen…. Get over yourselves for goodness sake.

  45. David McKelvie

    15 May, 2009 - 11:38 am

    BRIAN

    This English exclusiveness and self-centredness that your post brilliantly displays, of course extends beyond vindictiveness towards the Scots.

    Take cricket, that most English of sports. For years international matches were played by the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC). Now, however, they are played by England. Imagine how players from Glamorgan CCC now feel representing England (for the benefit of the English – Glamorgan is in Wales).

  46. MerkinOnParis

    15 May, 2009 - 11:48 am

    I live in Mr Reid’s constituency and I can tell that you can hardly fart without it costing you an arm and a leg – due to the difficulties of travelling on ferries with a limited local bus service.

    Mr Reid doesn’t receive my vote but he is a good constituency MP and well enough respected here.

    In this area, it is the local councillors who are corrupt to the marrow but that is a different matter.

  47. Davie Park

    15 May, 2009 - 12:11 pm

    A few random facts.

    1. I find the company of my English friends at least as convivial as that of my friends who are fellow Scots.

    2. I lived in Norfolk for 5 years or so and had, without question, some of the best times of my life there.

    3. Some English people are great, some Scottish people are arseholes.

    4. SO WHAT!

    None of this changes the fact that Scotland (among other areas) is very much on the periphery of the Metropolitan mind set.

    The arrogant, often wilfull ignorance displayed by the MSM with regards to anything furth of London and the ‘Home’ Counties is quite appalling.

    The rest of the UK has become (by design) just a feeder of talent and resources to the South East.

    That is, after all, the playground / work-centre for the British establishment.

    I thank God that Scotland has (and Wales has), potentially, a way out of this. I fear for the North and South-West of England.

    They will have to make do with crumbs of comfort. Fatter, juicier crumbs in the good times – but crumbs just the very same.

    Craig’s point stands. Ignorance and sneering dismissal of Scotland is not only rife in (particularly the Southern part of) England, but is often worn as a badge of honour.

    These people ARE idiots, they ARE English AND the fact that they are English is a contributary factor in their ignorance in this matter.

    The thin skins of a few of the posters (Scots and English) is an embarrassment.

    Scotland isn’t the problem, England isn’t the problem, but an anachronistic, corrupt and bottom heavy political union IS.

  48. chris

    15 May, 2009 - 1:32 pm

    MJ

    I think i wasn’t making my point clear enough regarding the oil in the North Sea. At present the UK has a large amount of revenue from selling oil, collect in the North Sea, to the international market. My point was that it is the revenue from the selling of North Sea oil that Scotland would have the sole rights to if we separated from the UK. On the gas point, some of the gas fields you talk about are in Scottish waters in the North Sea which would keep us in good supply. But my point was regarding the money being made from oil or am I still being naive?

    The £1500 a year on B&B bills travelling within his constituency would amount to around twenty days. That is not that much travelling time considering he has to visit around six Island some of which you can’t get off for a couple of days. It require a bit more work than popping down to the local constituency office for an evening to speak to everyone.

  49. chris

    15 May, 2009 - 1:33 pm

    Sorry the last comment was for QM not MJ.

  50. Jon

    15 May, 2009 - 1:33 pm

    @John D. Monkey, @John, @wonkotsane et al:

    The whole point of pointing out that the journos were English was not that English people are all stupid. It’s just that were they Scottish, they would have known the area in question is difficult to travel across, and they would not have assumed that the “lazy MP” could just have drove or caught public transport.

    Now, I didn’t know the arrangement of Argyll and Bute either, but were I a journalist, I like to think I would at least have checked the map to see if the overnight stays were reasonable. The problem with the ‘expenses’ story is that there are some minority strands of thinking emerging that there is no need for second houses for all MPs, or that all expenses are unnecessary or corrupt.

    I disagree with Craig on one item though. When Gordon Brown was abused for being “Scottish”, there was no suggestion that his northern-centric views were disadvantaging him as PM – it was simply a term of abuse (i.e. ‘go back to your own country’). I therefore find that objectionable, whilst letting pass Craig’s (colourful) approach to this post.

  51. Jon

    15 May, 2009 - 1:41 pm

    It’s a shame that this post has brought out genuine racists (Lancelot, Doc Snoddy) having an unnecessary go. Can’t you respond to the point directly, folks?

  52. Jon

    15 May, 2009 - 1:49 pm

    @wonkotsane – care to have a wild guess at the number of Scottish communists working at the Telegraph?

    ;o)

  53. John D. Monkey

    15 May, 2009 - 1:53 pm

    @ David McKelvie.

    Not quite right. Actually its officially “The England and Wales Cricket Board”.

    “England” and “ECB” are used as everyday / marketing shorthand, although I agree it’s mildly irritating for Welsh cricket (not just in Glamorgan) that this shortened form is the default mode.

    It’ll be interesting how “ECB” is presented at the Ashes Test in Cardiff!

    It’s part of a general issue of accuracy over usability – do you use an accurate but long-winded definition or a more comprehensible but not strictly accurate one? It also gets into PC-think over words like “blind” or “disabled”.

  54. Craig

    15 May, 2009 - 2:33 pm

    Eddie,

    You really seem to have lost it.

    I didn’t say nurses were “cleaning and lifting.” I said their jobs were stressful, skilled and very very hard work. I think they are underpaid for what they do – and particularly by comparison to MPs. You think everything is perfect in NuLabLand.

    And nobody said only NuLab are fiddling expenses.

  55. Jives

    15 May, 2009 - 3:07 pm

    One planet.One blood.

    IS it empire yet?

  56. avatar singh

    15 May, 2009 - 4:09 pm

    the two things for which britian is famous for or rather lives off on exports are the scottish whiskey and scottish north sea oil. and ofocurse scottish education which is years ahead of enlgish parochial education.

    the english calling others racist is like pot calling wool black?

    well done craig and I do hope scotland seperates from england very soon adn kick out parasitical english(or rather anglosaxon parasites-the real [pirates from low lands of holland who arrived this shore as pirates in 450 ad) from its affairs.

  57. David McKelvie

    15 May, 2009 - 4:56 pm

    *John D. Monkey:

    Why did the English feel they had to change it from the MCC?

    Cricket is also played in Scotland.

    The British and Irish Lions mange well enough with a mouthful name.

  58. David McKelvie

    15 May, 2009 - 4:58 pm

    * MerkinOnParis:

    As you know, but for the benefit of the others, the CalMac Ferry from Oban to Colonsay runs once a week.

  59. Doc Snoddy

    15 May, 2009 - 5:26 pm

    @ Jon,

    It’s only banter mate. Or thats what YOU used to cal it.

  60. John D. Monkey

    15 May, 2009 - 5:55 pm

    David

    It’s very complicated and I’m no expert but MCC was never the same as the England cricket team.

    MCC is a private members club which inter alia used to govern the laws of the game until the International Cricket Council was set up in the 1990s to reflect the increasingly international nature of the game. MCC did organise the England cricket team until the Test and County Cricket Board was set up in the late 1960s, although I think Tests were always played as England (some cricket expert might correct me on that!). Other tour matches were under the MCC banner until the 1990s, when the ECB was established.

    More recently, Scotland now have its own international cricket team (who play in World Cups etc. but not at Test level as they aren’t good enough) but Wales does not, although a team representing Wales apart from Glamorgan play in the Minor Counties Championship.

    Many Scots have of course played for England (Mike Denness was England Test captain).

    Never though we’d be discussing the intricacies of the organisation of international cricket on Craig’s blog!!!!

  61. Derek

    15 May, 2009 - 5:57 pm

    You’d think, wouldn’t you, that when you brought them together you’d get something special from:

    Wales

    Ireland

    Scotland

    England

    ?

  62. Jon

    15 May, 2009 - 6:47 pm

    @Doc Snoddy:

    > It’s only banter mate. Or thats what YOU used to cal it.

    I don’t remember doing so at all. But I am pleased to hear it was meant as banter. It just sounded a bit too sharp to be classified as such, but alright.

    @Craig – you’ve replied to Eddie on the wrong thread; you wanted the “The Quality of MPs” post.

  63. null

    15 May, 2009 - 7:05 pm

    There’s no such thing as ‘race’ – it is a social construct, we’re all mongrels and have been for a long long time! Get over yourselves! You people are hillarious! All you are talking about is an accent and where, geographically, by some accident, you happen to have been born.

  64. Toxteth O'Grady

    15 May, 2009 - 8:06 pm

    During your career “English Idiots” have paid for a lot of your lunches. You are an ungrateful snob, quit hating England.

  65. chris

    15 May, 2009 - 8:27 pm

    I’m sure over the years Craig has paid for most of his own lunches.

    You should try reading the article and then you’d realise it’s not about hating England it’s about stupid English Journo’s who don’t do their research properly.

  66. Aberdeen Angus

    15 May, 2009 - 9:17 pm

    I have to agree with “null” who posted at 7:05pm.

    The Scots and English are genetically identical. Culturally we have a huge amount in common. We all shop in Tescos, we watch the same TV programs, watch the same movies, listen to the same music. We live in each others countries, we have sex with each other, we marry each other we speak the same language. The Scots Lowland language and the English language have the same common root in middle English.

    It’s laughable reading the small minded bigoted nonsense above.

    Scotland, England in fact all countries are just social constructs, artificial inventions which came about by accidents of history.

    I regard myself as Scottish, British, European and a citizen of the world in no particular order of preference.

  67. Davie Park

    15 May, 2009 - 11:18 pm

    Good for you Aberdeen Angus. I regard myself similarly – BUT it’s time that the politically incorporating union was shown the door. It’s damaging and risibly anachronistic.

  68. John

    16 May, 2009 - 1:03 am

    Well , Argyll and Bute do constitute a large area and I do agree that the travel costs should be appropriately higher.

    Also:

    the Barnett Rules should be abolished and the many billions that Scotland has had out of England over the last 31 yeras since 1978 should be reimbursed -

    from Scotland to England.

  69. M Anderson

    16 May, 2009 - 4:33 am

    “their prejudice would not have registered the large distances and overnight stays for the trips necessary”

    How do you know? You don’t. I think it was done to get all you braveheart wannabes going. That makes you scotch idiots.

    “Blair is a Scot, Brown is a Scot and next you are getting a Cameron! Who is ruling who? When do you English get self-rule? Ha!”

    How the hell did you represent any state overseas? You sound like a two year old.

    “I wan’t claiming all English people are idiots, just the ones at the Telegraph. Some English people are very bright. My mum, for one.”

    She can’t be that bright. She produced you. Though I s’pose by scotch standards you are bright. Do you work in England?

    “Well, Helen, the Telegraph article I refer to was written by Martin Beckford, who is English. So is the Political Editor and ao is the Editor. So the particular idiots involved were, indeed, English.”

    So what? It seems like his little ploy worked wonders. He certainly got you wound up. Ha! ha!

    “That is relevant, becuase if they had been Scottish they would have understood why the MP for Argyll and Bute might need to move around B & Bs.”

    Yeah just like if Gordon Brown was English he’d understand that we hate his pathetic scotch guts. You sweats whining about being “misunderstood” is hilarious. Carry on being bitter. I love it.

    “It is the human right of Englishmen, women and children anywhere, not to be racially abused by you.”

    This is true, but of course the small-minded sweat doesn’t think about that. He is too busy thinking about how great he is, how everyone around the world loves him because he’s a jock, how everyone loves scotland, everyone dreams about scotland in their sleep, etc, etc puke! Puke!

    “Not being an idiot, [You are an idiot] I found it very easy to understand what Craig meant:

    These people don’t know about this part of the world because they are English (or rather not Scottish). [How do you know?]

    Given that, these people are idiots for not looking up what they were talking about before opening their mouths in ignorance. [How do you know they didn't look it up? How do you know they aren't doing it as a wind-up? YOU are the idiot.]

    Thus they are English and they are idiots. They are English idiots. [One person wrote the article so it is idiot not idiots you idiot]

    …the problem of ignorant non-Scottish people talking rubbish about Scotland is a particularly English one. [liar! I have met plenty of Americans who rubbish scotland. Most of them think sweats are the most arrogant twats on Earth] Thus the term English idiots seems fine in this context. I am English and did not feel Craig was calling me an idiot.” [Sure you're English. You are far too stupid to be English]

    “It is nice to see the little englanders getting all hetup, and indignant!”

    Dream on idiot. We are merely putting you anti-English amoebas in your place.

    “…the same bunch have not so much as raised the slightest peep about the constant drip of anti Muslim, and anti all things immigrant, to the extent of some disowning St George the Turkish in favour of Odin (albeit yet another immigrant, but not from those brown lands). Fact is sleep with dogs and get up with flees allegory applied, holster you indignations, you have been working hard for what is coming your way. All Craig has done, is to hold a mirror; the face that is seen and you don’t like is yours, and not anyone else’s. Keep up the good work Craig, we the savvy people, know what you are driving at.”

    Talking of amoeba ha! ha! Another ignorant idiot. St George was not Turkish you moron. Tell me, without looking it up, when was Turkey established? It is funny ‘cos you type your post as though you actually know what the hell you’re talking about. Then again, people with an air often have huge insecurities. IDIOT! The rest of your childish post aint even worth debating. IDIOT!

    “I cannot stand Brown, but his unfortunate physical disability is not something that should be attacked. ”

    Why not? I thought you people believed in an eye for an eye. Aye! I see what’s going on here. Poor EUROlander (“Yes sir! Whatever you say sir!” Lick! Lick! ) scotch arsehole can deliberately murder elderly, defenceless, English cancer patients, but god knows, nobody can call the scottish shitbag CY-F*CKIN’-CLOPS. Oh no, we can’t be having that. GO TO HELL! Actually, here’s a name for Brown. Cyjocks! Ha! ha!

    “Stephen Gash,

    Appropriate name because you seem to be talking it. I think you have no idea of what Scotland brings to the UK. We would be happy to separate from England any time which is why Westminster won’t allow a referendum on the matter. ”

    [LIES! "Westminster won't allow it"? Ha! ha! What a fabrication. That's what makes me laugh about the sweats. They huff and puff, just like the author of this stupid thread, and yet when it comes to the truth they avoid it like the plague. Hey MJ, that's why your country has never done anything on the world stage. You lie! You act like small-minded idiots! You are petty. You are prone to throwing paddies whenever you don't get your own way, and you act like you are the world's greatest.]

    “What you have to remember is that we have a great deal of resources which you (England) would miss. Oil being the main one. As they haven’t even tapped half of the oil out of the north sea yet it would be interesting to see England getting along without it for the next 50 years. Also we have greater sources for renewable energy than anywhere else in Britain. But you wouldn’t want to share that would you? So the next time you complain about us rememeber that we don’t give two sh*ts what you think.”

    [Mj, the oil expert ha! ha! Whilst we're on that subject I want to know what will happen when you have to pay us for all the equipment that we MIGHT let you borrow to drill for oil. Who paid for the rigs to be built and put up? Can you say reimbursement jimmy? Plus, there is the small matter of changing back the maritime border between England and scotland. This would mean that various gas fields would come back to their rightful owners, i.e. the English. Share what? I would rather sit on a box in an empty house than share anything with you spongers. Oh but you do give two shits. You wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of typing your oh so well thought out post if you didn't. Are you a scotch IDIOT?]

    An Asian man goes to a top surgeon and asks how he can become a Scotsman. The surgeon explains that this will involve a risky operation to remove a third of his brain and that he would advise against it. The Asian man is adamant.

    “I admire the Scottish. All my life I have wanted to be a Scot, please perform the operation. Money is no object”.

    Yeah he obviously wasn’t scottish. He said money is no object.

    I find it ironic that you mention two thirds of a brain.

    “And there’s rivers of bad blood that have flowed since then, mostly of the English’s own doing – did you know that many Highlanders and their families were sold into slavery in the West Indies after 1746?”

    Oh you must mean this.

    In 1739, both MacDonald of Sleat and MacLeod of Dunvegan, the principle Skye chiefs, SOLD their own clansmen and women as indentured servants in the Carolina’s.

    Why are you insinuating that it was the English who were responsible? Typical scotch behaviour. Pathetic. Avoid the truth at all costs.

    “Take cricket, that most English of sports. For years international matches were played by the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC). Now, however, they are played by England. Imagine how players from Glamorgan CCC now feel representing England (for the benefit of the English – Glamorgan is in Wales).”

    Who forces them to play? You seem to know everything. How do they feel?

    “Scotland, England in fact all countries are just social constructs, artificial inventions which came about by accidents of history. ”

    How do you artificially invent something? So all of a sudden England just existed. Just like that. Right out of thin air. One minute nothing, the next *whoosh* England. You social engineers talk some shite.

    “I regard myself as Scottish, British, European and a citizen of the world in no particular order of preference.”

    Shouldn’t that be Scottish IDIOT, British IDIOT, European IDIOT? Oh, and you’re a citizen of the world. So, you can go anywhere then right? NO! Citizen of the world. ha! ha! It’s just a cliche.

  70. Tom Kennedy

    16 May, 2009 - 10:15 am

    Thank you Mr. Anderson – your Scandinavian sense of humour has brightened up my day!

  71. william

    16 May, 2009 - 11:07 am

    Many of the initial knee-jerk responses to Craig’s comments go some way to explaining why so many people today believe the Union is coming to an end. Great post, Craig.

  72. Scottish Doctor

    16 May, 2009 - 6:33 pm

    Had some exchange of emails with Martin Beckford. I asked him to apologise. He can not see the problem in his article.

    The problem with articles like this is that they divert from those who really ripped us off.

    Alan Reid – I live in his constituency – is an excellent MP. I do not vote LibDem and would never do, unless tactically required. But Alan Reid is an honest plodder.

  73. Hereward the awake

    16 May, 2009 - 11:45 pm

    “Human rights activist” says it all. Ha! ha! Rights except for the English huh?

    You are just another hypocritical, p.c., anal retentive, control freak Craig. Well, what else could you be? It appears that you do not have the capacity to be anything else.

    Admit it. Go on, it’ll be okay. You’ll feel better if you admit it to yourself. For crying out loud, getting annoyed about something so trivial is a joke. I guess that your passive aggressiveness is hiding another emotion ah? Go on be a scotchman about it. Tell us what it is. Did you get relieved of your job by an Englishman? Awwwwwwww!!! Go tell mummy about it.

  74. Chris

    17 May, 2009 - 10:23 pm

    M Anderson,

    Wow, you have some serious issues which need to be addressed. However, I’ll answer one of your questions as it seems you don’t know much about the rigs in the North Sea. You said:

    “Whilst we’re on that subject I want to know what will happen when you have to pay us for all the equipment that we MIGHT let you borrow to drill for oil. Who paid for the rigs to be built and put up?”

    Not the UK Government. Private companies paid for the rigs. The UK government only issues a licence to extract and then the oil is brought to be refined at refineries in the UK. I think that these refineries are all private too.

    Oh dear, you should really do your research before mouthing off but I don’t think you even know what that word means!!

  75. M Anderson

    19 May, 2009 - 7:20 pm

    Who paid the so-called private companies? So you’re trying to say that all that oil was paid for by private companies.

    The U.K. government must have bought the oil so who ultimately paid that bill? The English tax payer did. Private companies don’t just drill for oil and not get paid for it. Someone paid them. Seeing as you set yourself up a know it all you can tell me.

    I see you had no come back about my comment about being a human rights activist. Ha! Ha! Ha! Typical.

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