Not a mention of Craig in this 4 minute report by Norman Smith on Radio 4 Today this morning.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8151000/8151064.stm

This is further proof of the BBC obeying NuLabour’s diktat that Craig’s name must be excluded.

Evan Davis speaks at the end of their being a full list of candidates on the BBC website. Does every voter in Norwich North have access to a computer? Is this the BBC’s get out to comply with electoral law?

Had a look at a couple of blogs, Iain Dale’s Dreary is as described but the Norfolk Blogger doesn’t seem to be being that nasty about you. Particularly weak excuse for not posting up your leaflet though.

What happened with your public meetings, the ones where the school withdrew the venue and the UCU refused to let you in?

“So despite the efforts of overpaid BBC execs to bolster the political parties, …”

The BBC lost a large measure of their credibility when they started stealing from children during their bouts of ‘phone rigging: see, BBC acts on phone-rigging scandal.

The lack of criminal prosecutions undermined the CPS as an instituion. If it were you or I, dear reader, who had rigged up a ‘phone system that enabled small amounts of money to be taken from a substantial number of people, the majority of whom were children; do you think we wouldn’t have been prosecuted for theft?

Lastly, the BBC propaganda when reporting on the event was quite repugnant. They continually reported on their news bulletins that the theft was not for anyone’s personal gain. For example, see the Trust’s Statement in Full where they say, “[t]he Trust is clear that these cases arose not because of an individual’s desire for personal gain but …”.

However, section 1(2) of the Theft Act 1968 provides,

“It is immaterial whether the appropriation is made with a view to gain, or is made for the thief’s own benefit.”

As has been said by someone cleverer than I, it’s only subliminal if you don’t realise it.”

Links (software seems to loose embedded links).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1563705/BBC-acts-on-phone-rigging-scandal.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1563703/BBC-Trust-statement-in-full.html

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Legislation&title=theft+act&Year=1968&searchEnacted=0&extentMatchOnly=0&confersPower=0&blanketAmendment=0&sortAlpha=0&TYPE=QS&PageNumber=1&NavFrom=0&parentActiveTextDocId=1204238&ActiveTextDocId=1204242&filesize=2163

The BBC will have some explaining to do when Craig polls higher than most of the ‘main’ parties they are covering. Just think of the embarrasment. They are certainly missing the story of the election. After all their interest in MPs corruption and expenses, when an independent candidate who has a real chance of winning stands exactly on an anti corruption ticket, it is so sad to see the BBC turn their backs. They make excuses that their are 12 candidates they would have to cover, but they do not really believe the excuses they peddle, I saw it in Michael Cricks own eyes when I asked him directly. The other minor candidates will not feature in the results, including the BNP thank goodness. However, Craig has been an exceptional candidate in this campaign and is really connecting with the people of Norwich North who see the need for an MP who will represent them, not some party leader in Westminster. They don’t want some young upstart dumped on them from out of town as their MP, they want a local man who is prepared to stand up and speak for them. They are a very informed and intelligent electorate and I feel this will leave the BBC will some explaining to do after the results are known….unless they start to see the real story before it is to late. There’s still time for them to open their eyes after all and catch the big scoop. Get yourselves down to Norwich and be part of something truely historic. You’ll regret it if you don’t go.

The very long last link in the above column has changed the settings of the margins on this post and comments column so much so that you have to scroll back and forward sideways to read them.

mary,

Firefox handles the link O.K. without screwing up the formatting. Its a far better browser than Internet Exploder. Unfortunately the person who submitted the post can’t edit it. However if in Advanced Options of Internet Exploder, you untick Enable Automatic Image Resizing it will restore the formatting, though it still looks much better in Firefox.

Stevie,

“Get yourselves down to Norwich and be part of something truely historic. You’ll regret it if you don’t go.”

Yes, I know. I’m still thinking about it and should get off my arse and do it.

Tony

I understand that political campaigns can be dirty, as you say – getting abused by party hacks on the street.

But shouldn’t you be more concerned about voter fraud? Expecially fraud using postal votes. Remember what happened in the last by-election in Glenrothes, postal vote fraud skewed in favour of a particular political party…

You can learn more about voter fraud at this site where they are also running a competition about the Norfolk by-election: http://www.unlockdemocracy.org.uk/electionpurity/?p=881

@ gyges – This blog doesn’t allow embedded links in the comments, I’ve noticed. Use http://tinyurl.com/ to convert yer URL’s & just paste in the short link within the text.

I’m glad to see that Craig is having an effect in good ‘ol Norwich town. If I was nearer, I’d pop in to assist with his election campaign, but alas I am far away. I have, however told those that I know whose parents are living there (in the very constituency!) to check out Craig & tell their friends etc.

The Monster Raving Loony Party, the Miss Great Britain Party, and all other ‘novelty’ groups that cock-a-snook at the ballot box, are often condemned by civic minded folk for abasement of democracy.

Yet I put it to those who care to think, that when a political party places a candidate in an election of which the party rather than the candidate is voted for, they are being no less debasing to the spirit of representative parliamentary democracy, than any of the novelty groups mentioned above.

The main parties are creating place holders for ANY candidate of their choosing, to occupy. Do the good people of Norwich North want a candidate of their choosing or of the choice of some party strategist’s. The good people of Blaenau Gwent showed the door to the party presumption in 2005.

If the parties treat parliamentary democracy with such contempt, why don’t they be honest and call for government by ‘aristocracy’; it would be more in line with what they practice.

And if a ‘place-holder’ candidate won’t be completely honest about their background, seeing fit not to represent themselves, then they should not be seen as fit to represent anybody else.

Britain is watching you Norwich North, this is your big moment to show us how it can be.

I see that the real Dorries is still blogging (no shame and no hiding behind the parapet) an continues to name drop and engage in self publicity. She should either get a better camera or operator. Perhaps the latter was Iain Dorries?

http://blog.dorries.org/id-1461-2009_7_Lady_Lynn_Forester_De_Rothschild.aspx

@Ade – I am coming 160 miles on the weekend to assist. If you have less than that to go, and you have a car, I’d implore you to pop over for the weekend if you have that free. I am really quite excited about this opportunity to get leaflets out to, and to talk to, the biggest possible Norwich North audience.

Jon,

I’d love to come & help & I would also relish the opportunity to talk to the locals. However, I am over 250 miles & 5 hours away & I also have family plans for the weekend already booked.

My best wishes to all volunteers who manage to make it.

I keep stumbling across links and references to Common Purpose. So I had a quick look and found that they did leadership training and thought “so what?” Anyone who’s had any supervisory or management role is likely to have had at least some leadership training. Companies send their staff on leadership and management training courses. Its a sensible thing to do. So I kind of dismissed it and initially labelled it for the nutty conspiracy bucket.

But on having a second and more detailed look, I think there is much more to Common Purpose than there should be. Teaching Leadership skills is one thing, but Common Purpose appear to do a great deal more than that, much of which would appear to be of enormous concern to anyone who actually believes in the basic principles of Freedom and Democracy.

Whilst I have as yet no proof, I am becoming very suspicious that there maybe significant involvement of members of Common Purpose thwarting Craig Murray’s access to media and other methods of communication in this election. There is evidence that several senior members of the BBC who are local to this election have been trained by Common Purpose. Are they denying Craig Murray access – because Common Purpose have told them to deny Craig Murray access?

Someone on this blog actually accused Craig Murray of having links to Common Purpose. This would seem highly unlikely to me, as most of his stated objectives seem in direct opposition to those of Common Purpose.

You can find the names and evidence yourself with a simple Google search. I do not name names on the internet for several reasons. Other people do.

Perhaps someone should ask them, if they have been trained by Common Purpose, and also what their views are on allowing free and fair access to candidates who’s policies they do not approve of. I feel there is an enormous can of worms to be exposed here.

Are there any independent journalists left who have the courage to do their job properly? Or have they all been recruited to be “On Message”.

Tony

Tony,

stop writing emails that will not make any difference at all. Get your arse down to Norwich right now. There you will be a great help to the campaign. As part of the campaign team of volunteers you will have time to discuss conspiracy theories over dinner if you so wish, or even as you are out and about delivering leaflets. Stop writing and start taking action, there’s only 9 bloody days left to go!

(I can say bloody as some of the volunteers working for the team have literally walked until their feet were bleeding. And then they walked some more. When you go to bed tonight, will you be able to say you stood up to be counted when the time mattered?)

Stevie,

Your right of course, and I have the greatest respect for all you guys pounding the beat.

But I ain’t 25 any more, My wife thinks she’s got Swine Flu, and my 18 year old daughter has phoned up saying her car’s gear box has packed in, and so I will probably have to go to Dorset tomorrow to pick her up and her 3 friends she is camping with, together with all their gear.

Maybe Friday.

Tony

Ah, how I miss the fun of winding up the hacks in elections! I remember David Lammy and his vicious little lap dog whipping out a camera and taking photos of us, spitting feathers and screeching that they would get us disqualified – all because we were ‘standing too close’ to the entrance of the polling station on election day where we were backing Janet Alder in her campaign. Rattled much Mr Lammy?

God forbid we would stand too close to a door – anyone would think we had just voted for the destruction of an entire nation so that the most corrupt US adminstration the world has ever seen could get their hands on its oil. Aren’t priorities grand Mr Lammy?

And yes, aren’t they all positively sweet to each other? We all know why this is, don’t we?

Keep going Craig – sounds like you are having lots of fun. But then why wouldn’t you be? Your conscience is clean and you have a heart of gold. You are in it for all the right reasons, not to line your pockets or because you’re on a power trip.

Not like the hacks who must spin the party lie all day (oops, I mean ‘line’) – defending mass murder, torture, racism, the destruction of public services and countless other policies designed to shit all over the little people all under the guise of ‘democracy’. Now THAT must be draining.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8152099.stm

Following on from BM who speaks of mass murder, torture etc. my heart sank on reading the above. The noble Baroness Kinnock (nu labour stooge and EU trougher) is flying a kite for Bliar, the well known war criminal, to be EU President. This is in spite of over 27,000 signatures against him on http://www.stopblair.eu The comments there make interesting reading and are of one opinion needless to say.

Newsnight tonight (15 July)

Our political editor has been to Norwich North. Next week’s by-election there takes place following the resignation of Labour MP Ian Gibson after he was deselected over his expenses claims. Michael Crick assesses how the parties campaigns are going, and it’s an uncomfortable watch for the Labour candidate.

@shrug

“Michael Crick assesses how the parties campaigns are going”

Surely it is the candidates he should be assessing, not the “parties”?

Let’s see if Crick still thinks he can get away with making Craig Murray (and for that matter, UKIP) “queue up behind the BNP”!

“The BNP leader Nick Griffin has described Islam as a ‘cancer’

that should be removed from Europe by ‘chemotherapy’.”

http://tinyurl.com/noy3cz

@Ade – OK you got me beat there. If I had 250 miles to go, I’d have second thoughts about it!

@Anyone – surely there must be some folks in the East somewhere who could be persuaded to come for the weekend. Own up, whoever you are

I’ve been asked to explain my interest in Craig Murray on a Conservative website where I have been posting for a few years ( I may have voted Tory once, but it has been Liberal, Green, UKIP or Monster Raving Loony for as long as I can remember clearly). I don’t recall voting Labour, but I cannot deny the possibility at some point in the distant past – long before Blair)

I replied thus:

“Well my interest in Craig Murray only started a few months ago when due to my interest in human rights, I read his book Murder in Samarkand, in of all places the Maldives (it rained a lot in the first week)

You see, Craig Murray doesn’t approve of people being tortured by being boiled alive to death.

When he complained as Ambassador to Uzbekistan to the Labour Government, that they were receiving information from such Torture, warning the Politicians that this was not only completely illegal, but totally immoral, they did everything they possibly could to discredit him.

He had loads of meetings at the highest levels in Whitehall, effectively saying you simply cannot do this, and eventually, because they had just done David Kelly, thought well – we’ll do Craig Murray, but he actually survived it, so they fired him instead.

Craig Murray’s book is far better than any James Bond Thriller cos it is TRUE

I’ve never actually met him, but nearly did when he was giving evidence to the Joint Commission on Human Rights at the House of Commons earlier this year. But he asked on his website if someone could record it and put it up on Youtube so I volunteered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9spgagSHI

Tony

Hey, Craig Murray! I put in a word for you at Harry’s Place where they are discussing Peter Tatchell’s choice of candidate, the Green Party one. The commenters believe he is a mentalist.

The heading reminds me of an exchange in the closing of “Monte Carlo or Bust” that went something like this:

Maj. Digby Dawlish (Peter Cook): ” I want you to know, Barrington, that it’s been tremendous fun.”

Lt. Kit Barrington (Dudley Moore, in a voice more charged with emotion): “It’s been rip-rip-ripping, Sah!”

If, by some chance, you don’t do as well as we hope, I suggest that those activists who are in Norwich on election night, use this to console each other and inject some humour into the proceedings – and maybe add ‘Next year with Mother Julian’, since the seat will probably be fought again at the general election in a year’s time.

But for now, good luck!

“while the parties are tellingly polite to each other and connive to keep me out of broadcast events”…

http://tinyurl.com/n4du5u

Abe Rene,

It’s the Journey that is important rather than the destination. It is the pursuit of the girl rather than the ultimate orgasm that’s all the fun.

There is an extremely good argument that Peter Sellers saved the World from Mutually Assured Destruction because he made both The Russians and The Americans laugh at the MADness.

Personally I rate Being There as his Masterpiece. Then he dropped dead with a smile on his face. He had proved he could walk on water.

Tony

Yes Harry’s Place favours Craig over the Green candidate. There are allegations that Rupert is a troofer and an anti-Semite to boot. Great concern that Peter Tatchell is supporting the unsavoury Green.

@Abe Rene

I left a reply for you about tours on the Totalitarian thread.

The last time I delivered leaflets was around 45 years ago. I did both the poor working class council estates as well as the rich posh ones. I much prefered the poor working class areas because the people were much nicer and receptive and I could deliver at a much faster rate because the homes were much closer together.

But I can still do it, and probably will. I will phone before I turn up, and I want to be scheduled appropriately with an appropriate leaflet. I reckon I can do a few thousand over a few days and maybe make a difference.

One can but try.

Tony

Maybe I have missed something here, but Tatchell is standing for the Greens in Oxford at the next GE, so he is bound to support old Rupe.

What I don’t get about the Greens is that, you know, like, trees are great and everything, but they don’t actually get a vote, do they?

People do, so I support Craig Murray.

@ Dreoilin

Thanks, I’ll have a look at those links. It is strange that the country we live in is more fascinating to outsiders. I’ve never been up the London Eye!

Tony

We agree that Peter Sellers was a Master comic. Personally, apart from his performances as Inspector Clouseau, I especially liked his performances (plural) in “Dr. Strangelove” and also “The Party”. He was also very good as a bolshie shop steward in “I’m all right, Jack”. I remember reading a newspaper interview with the late South African surgeon Christiaan Barnard in the 80s in which Barnard said that Sellers could mimic him so well that it was frightening. “Being There” was a more serious film which certainly showed him as a fine actor.

Craig, Tony Bliar is now the official candidate to be Euro King. I seriously woouldn’t underestimate the hatred people have for this slimeball. You may get a lot of votes by simply airing that fact, it didn’t seem to make the TV news, and your determination to do your utmost to prevent it from happening.

You got a mention on Look East this evening.

Before I die, I am going to do everything I can to ensure that Tony Blair gets a Fair Trial

On The Charge of

War Crimes Against Humanity

I Believe in EVEN Tony Blair’s Human Rights

And I Do Not Believe in TORTURE

And The DEATH PENALTY Is Far TOO KIND

If Found Guilty Of WAR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

I Will Be in Court To Plead That The JUDGE Not Only Spares Tony Blair From The DEATH PENALTY

But That Every Effort Is Made

Not Only To Keep Him Alive For The Rest Of His Natural Life, But For ALL Available Technolgy To Be Used To Keep His Brain Alive

IMPRISONED In His Body

In JAIL

So He Can Reflect On What He is Personally Responsible For

http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html

Tony

Wouldnt it be fantastic to have Craig in the HoP again, saying all those naughty things he shouldnt be saying, and watching the reaction from the rest of the corporation-backed drones as they shuffle their feet and look at their watches hoping like hell he shuts up.

Fantasic really, I just wish I lived in Norwich so I could vote and take part in this. Its enough to make me watch the commons debates again.

Very best of luck sir, you deserve a seat probably more than any other standing MP. Wait, what am I talking about “probably”, make that definately.

Also big shout to all who are helping with his campaign, good work guys. Myself im not in a position to come help at the moment and that saddens me greatly. I would love to meet up with some like minded free thinking people such as these, and help do something good for this country for once.

Next time if I find out about it a bit earlier i’ll be there (shame on me for not visiting this site more often).

Craig, I’m in NN. This seems the only way I can get a note to you.

You have my admiration as an independent candidate. Why not go to visit more than just the invited events – go to Anglia Square shopping centre; local, delapidated and full of character, and talk to people?

As you say you’ve had good feedback already, you will be received well by many locals who like me, are fed up with ALL politicians. I sadly believe many people won’t even vote, despite the ridiculous levels of leafleting from the main parties. Don’t worry over a lack of leaflets – as long as one of yours hits the postbox it may rather perversely work in your favour because of Chloe Smith’s & April Pond’s wasteful attempts to woo the public with daily leaflets. They go straight in the recycling with the rest of my rubbish.

Chloe Smith sits passively smiling at me at the end of my road with no life experience (2 giant signs, eurgh!) and the UKIP party can’t even get it right with their banners as Winston Churchill, though a great man, was only half English.

On the question of your credentials, I can see you have a varied background and a passion for human rights. However, I wonder whether you really feel strongly enough about the people of NN, rather than just forging a political career. What are your intentions? You’ve been out of Norfolk for a long time and things have greatly changed…

“We sit down to dinner about 10pm every evening after the day’s campaigning, usually about 16 of us, guitars come out….”

I thought there was already a Green candidate in the running. Don’t tell me, lentil soup and a nut cutlet washed down with a really spiffing Romanian Riesling.

“If we didn’t scare the political establishment, they would not react so fiercely to us.”

Woo, scary. The political establishment, far from wanting away with you, is grateful for your £500 contribution to the costs of a by-election being fought by the big boys, Mr Murray, and would welcome a similar donation at Glasgow North East.

@Parasite – there’s quite a few decent interlocutors here who would be interested in a *serious* discussion (jeering does not count, by the way). If you are up for it, do say why you oppose Craig’s candidacy, and who you support in preference. It is probably not unreasonable for Craig and his team to presume that the critical tone of some commentators here comes from stalwarts of the Tory and Labour parties – essentially the establishment that has let us all down, not least in the expenses scandal.

Do let us know what you think of big topics, like the banking crash, or protecting the environment and building up the Norwich sea defences. How about Iraq and Afghanistan? The war on terror, big business and big finance. Craig has spelled out his views on these (see the video, amongst other things). What are your views on these? What do you disagree with?

@Parasite:

silence, troll child. Adults are speaking.

I had a great time leafleting in NN yesterday – only wish I could have stayed longer.

The reception on the doorstep was positive, and people seemed genuinely interested in an independent candidate.

Good luck with the rest of the campaign!

What has the Labour Party (Romans) ever done for us? Today on the BBC and part 94 in an ongoing, but probably futile attempt to persuade posters on this site that this Labour Government has actually done a few decent things.

“The number of murders, manslaughters and child killings has dropped by 17% to a 20-year low, the annual crime figures for England and Wales show.

“There were 136 fewer killings in 2008/9 compared to a year earlier, according to the Home Office figures.

A vote for Craig is a wasted vote. If you don’t want a Tory, vote Labour!

You got a verbal mention on newsnight yesterday, it sounded a bit like an insult to me.

You should see the odds on Labour polling 4th place at Ladbrokes Eddie – it could well happen. Having pounded the streets of Norwich for the past two weeks I can confirm that the public are sick of this Government and its lies. The good people of Norwich North are also not too pleased with the way Labour treated Ian Gibson or with their new young upstart, out of town Labour candidate. Craig offers the only opportunity of defeating all the major parties in this election. A vote for Labour will be a wasted vote. I saw Labour canvassers on the trail and they looked shamefull. Their heart was not in it. They may be decent people trying to make their community a better place, but they know all the well that Labour is in a dreadfull state at the moment. Craig has the momentum in this campaign. The people want change and Craig offers them that opportunity.

By the way, to clarify my previous post, the odds offered by Ladbrokes of Labour finishing 4th are better (at 8/1) than of them actually winning (at 10/1). Labour cannot win this election. Craig Murray can.

Stevie – one independent MP cannot possibly offer change. The only change on offer is a Tory government.

Craig will bring a welcome change and help restore some hope in what is left of our democracy. And yes, unfortunatly the next government will be tory. Poor ‘eddie’ will be joining the mass ranks on the dole queue. No need for ‘dark arts’ operatives out of power.

Chris

I’ve a very well paid job thanks – better than yours probably. No doubt your quality of life will improve under a tory government, as that is your desire.

I’ve just seen the YouTube Craig Murray address video; excellent work, good simple delivery, and professional sound.

Craig – May I suggest that instead of the frankly unflattering photo that’s on the poster at putanhonestman.org, you use the excellent b/w one you’ve got on Facebook? Also, I recommend adding ‘Norwich North’ to the links at the very top of your website, directed to /archives/norwich_byelect/. To make space, get rid of ‘Weblog’ since it seems to the same as ‘Home’. cheers, L

“What has the Labour Party (Romans) ever done for us?”

“I spent two years examining the work of the criminal justice system and found it impossible to make sense of what was happening inside it until the Home Office sent me some internal statistics, which revealed that, with a typical one hundred offences, only three are brought to justice (which means a conviction, a caution or being taken into consideration at sentencing). To put it the other way round: 97% of offences are never dealt with.”

From ‘Flat Earth News’, Nick Davies, 2008.

Hi Craig,

would still like to invite you to speak at a future ‘Alternative View’ event. The next event is scheduled for 13/14/15 Nov in Bristol.

Please drop me an Email or call me on 0207 558 8869

Best of luck in Norwich.

Ian R Crane

I too have just seen Craig’s election video on youTube and agree that it is indeed a very professional piece of work. Congratulations to Craig and the team.

Quite agree MJ. I liked the tour round and the pace of it. I thought the part with the jobsworth at Norwich station at the beginning was hilarious. ‘You can’t film here mate. Not over this line’.

If I was a NN voter I would be definitely be persuaded of Craig’s decency and his honest intentions when he reaches the Augean stables with his shovel.

Can someone post a link to Craig’s Youtube vid address

Yes, the bit at the station was excellent. I thought Craig and his crew showed great poise and presence of mind to capture it all then continue from the new location, incorporating what had just happened into the dialogue. Couldn’t have been scripted or rehearsed better.

I see we have been honoured by a visit from Ian Crane. His lecture on the Codex Alimentarius, also available on youTube, is another excellent video. Highly recommended.

Dec:

It’s in four parts and starts at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0RHI7VV5kE&feature=related

Hi Craig, I’ve just watched your video on YouTube. It’s quite brilliant, and anyone with half a nose for political honesty and sincerity should be convinced by it to vote for you.

Is it possible to obtain a copy of the DVD in exchange for a donation to your campaign fund? I’d very much like to have one.

And it’s good to see you looking so well and fresh. Keep it up until polling day, and don’t take a leaf out of Cherie Blair’s book!

All the very best for your campaign.

Thanks for link MJ.

Great video and a wonderful scene outside the station. I saw about 3 seconds of it on Channel 4 News last night, of course it was cut before Craig

actually said anything. That tiny segment seems to have been cut from the online version of the report.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/byelection+countdown+begins+in+norwich/3268157

Just seen your election video on Youtube. I thought it was well made, and right from the start made it clear that the speaker knew well the people and region of which he was speaking, and clearly had deep ancestral roots in the place. Since the voters of NN now all have a chance to see it on both DVD and the internet (and I will make the Youtube known to one or two people I know), it could well be a crucial help in your getting elected MP, no matter what detractors might say. Good luck!

Craig if you value free speech so highly, why are comments disabled on your YouTube videos?

You also need to learn how to speak in front of a camera without sounding like you are a scared little boy.

Is your comment supposed to be constructive? If not, do you understand the meaning of the phrase ‘Clear off’ and get back to your affiliates in the Greens. (I have checked back on your previous posts)

Rob Speare/Parasite/eddie …

All sock-puppets sound the same.

Who are the “little boys” here? The ones who throw rotten eggs and sneers from the sidelines, but never engage in debate (other than quoting spew from their party websites).

Rob Speare you say that Craig needs to “learn how to speak in front of a camera without sounding like you are a scared little boy.”

Watch the C4 report about the election I linked to above and compare.

The three main parties interviewed, to me, say absolutely nothing.

Also the interview with the Tory candidate has been cut out from the C4 online version. She didn’t make a good impression when question about something on the original C4 report. Sorry I can’t remember what it was.

Rob Speare wrote:

“You also need to learn how to speak in front of a camera without sounding like you are a scared little boy.”

Tell us Rob, where did you gain your experience of scared little boys on camera? Is there something you need to confess?

On the Channel 4 link that Andy sent earlier, I thought that Chloe Smith looked like a self conscious little girl who was on an outing with the grown ups. Also thought that George Osborne’s voice sounded rather strangulated in this clip.

Rob Speare – don’t worry about the abuse. They rarely engage in debate and only throw abuse when you make a telling point. The clones Mary and Dreiolin are two of the worst.

Christ, I’ve just watched a bit of the video – it is piss poor. You really need to learn some presentation skills and it looks like you have been eating too many of those Norfolk pork pies. No serious politiccian would ever wear shades. Anyone watching it would be asleep after a couple of minutes. But there is no such thing as “criminal trespass” so the policeman was wrong. Civil law and criminal law are separate.

Paddy Power

Conservatives 1/25

Labour 8/1

Greens 12/1

Craig Murray 20/1

Liberal Democrats 33/1

UKIP 80/1

BNP 200/1

Bill Holden 250/1

Libertarian Party 400/1

______________________________________

Ladbrokes

Conservatives 1/16

Labour 10/1

Greens 25/1

Craig Murray 25/1

Liberal Democrats 25/1

UKIP 100/1

Anne Fryatt 200/1

BNP 200/1

Libertarian Party 500/1

Bill Holden 1000/1

Official Monster Raving Loony 1000/1

Peter Baggs

“You also need to learn how to speak in front of a camera without sounding like you are a scared little boy.”

Rob Speare

I read somewhere that solvent abuse distorts one’s view of reality. You sound like you need help Rob?.

I would rather be called a clone than a troll/party hack.

eddie: catch up little fella, trespass is now a criminal offence and has been for several years. Time perhaps to give up being an ‘untroofer’ and get real.

eddie,

From wiki:

“Trespass is not now criminal in England except by special statutory enactment, e.g. the old statutes against forcible entry, the game acts, and the private acts of many railway companies.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trespass

Get your arses to Norwich folks.

The momentum is with Craig on this one and your support is vital!

http://www.putanhonestman.org/getting-involved

No shortage of helicopters for attacking civilians in Afghanistan today.

http://afghancentral.blogspot.com/

Islam and chemotherapy.

Islam is established in the UK, not because Muslims are now well-off, but because of freedom of speech and belief in this country. To be sure racist parties like the BNP can campaign for restriction of freedom of speech, which would, if it happened, finish the BNP themselves.

Chemotherapy is selective, targeted treatment. Thus in this metaphor it means: selective attack / Racism.

The last time Islam started to have influence in this country, in the 16/17th century, it was extinguished by a civil war. Maybe Gordon Brown wants to repeat the exercise by handing back control of our money to the spiv bankers we have just bailed out with 2 trillion pounds, to ruin us completely next time.

Tony Blair deliberately set fire to Iraq, so Brown is capable of the same here. Would he have enough pseudo-socialist crocodile tears, Eddie, to extinguish the flames?

If Craig is an honest man, why wont he allow comments on his Piss Poor youtube videos? Is he afraid of the abuse he will get for being a quivering wreck whilst trying to read out a shit script?

His videos are worse than UKIP’s!

I don’t believe filming on a railway station that is open to the public can be classed as criminal trespass. Nothing on the network rail site about this. Unless you can prove otherwise I believe the policeman was wrong.

@ eddie

You also believe in Santa, and tooth-fairy too, but that is besides the point.

Section 44 anti terror measures make a criminal offense of photographing any means of public transport, and or related structures there of.

Your employers have seen to it that even German Tourists photographing double decker buses have been arrested and their cameras purged from the offending photographs, of course only white German tourists get this treatment, given any hints of colour the unfortunate forefinger will be shot in all probabilities, and the police will proceed to cover it all up, by blaming him for acting “suspiciously”.

I think the guy that told Craig to move on was in fact Dreolin, and the whole thing was a stunt! It was a stunt to add to the whole “they are stopping us” paranoid conspiracy theory rubbish exhibited on this site.

Let’s review the list of people Craig can blame if he doesn’t win:

1) Other candidates

2) The BBC

3) UCU

4) National Express

5) The Police

6) The voters of Norwich North

7) The UK government
The Zionist world elite

9) Aliens

The damage the greens are doing to the environment the world over.

The greens the party of Big Business the world over…

http://tinyurl.com/pc8483

If you care about the environment…Vote for Craig Murray.

That video was half an hour long! What self-respecting Norwich North voter is going to waste half an hour watching a dribbling, incoherent old man rambling on about random things?

The station is private property. It is open to the public by the consent of the property owner, but that consent can be withdrawn if the owner wishes. Rather like a shop, or a pub, where the management have the right to eject unwanted customers. Got it now, little eddie the untroofer?

“You really need to (1) learn some presentation skills and (2) it looks like you have been eating too many of those Norfolk pork pies. (3) No serious politiccian would ever wear shades.”

I just love a good informative analysis of a video before I go to the rental shop …

“What self-respecting Norwich North voter is going to …”–Craig Muzz

It’s a damn sight more interesting than the shower of useless confetti thrown at people by the “elite” who think they own the entire system.

Is it Rob Speare as in an anglicised Robespierre? Because I quite like that, if it is.

Not that there’s anything wrong with being christened plain old Rob Speare. It’s just you’re awful trollish to be commenting under your own name.

“I think the guy that told Craig to move on was in fact Dreolin”–Rob Speare

That’d be kinda hard, dear. For a variety of reasons. But don’t worry your little head about it.

sign at http://www.stopblair.eu to stop this war criminal tony blair from immunity.

please sign at http://www.stopblair.eu to stop this war criminal tony blair from immunity.

to stop this war criminal tony bastard blair from hodling any offoice let alone eu presidency. that is his ands british trick to make him immune from prosecution for war crimes.

better never ratify the lisbon treaty then there will be no uneelctable president of eu.

http://www.stopblair.eu

http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html

“Is it Rob Speare as in an anglicised Robespierre?”

Frightfully clever I must say.

Mark Eadie-Sard

If detractors are this bothered by your video, you must be doing something right. Therefore, keep on doing it! All the best on election day.

Ooh that’s a good one.

Who is he/she really, anyway? Any guesses?

Monty Skew.

“If detractors are this bothered by your video, you must be doing something right.”

I’m sure that’s what Hitler said, when the Allies started fighting him!

So… you going anywhere nice on holiday this year, Rob?

“I’m sure that’s what Hitler said, when the Allies started fighting him!”

“Godwin’s Law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one’s opponent) with Hitler or Nazis or their actions.” Wikipedia

Taking the campaign to a wider audience:

http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-time-to-drag-our-treatment-of-parties-out-of-the-18th-century-15657.html#comment-94702

“I’m sure that’s what Hitler said, when the Allies started fighting him!”

“Godwin’s Law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one’s opponent) with Hitler or Nazis or their actions.” Wikipedia

Good to see Eddie getting in his daily 5 minutes then. :-0 I see he brought some of his bum chums along too… Were these freaks of humnaity genetically engineered or something?

‘I think the guy that told Craig to move on was in fact Dreolin, and the whole thing was a stunt! It was a stunt to add to the whole “they are stopping us” paranoid conspiracy theory rubbish exhibited on this site.

Let’s review the list of people Craig can blame if he doesn’t win:

1) Other candidates

2) The BBC

3) UCU

4) National Express

5) The Police

6) The voters of Norwich North

7) The UK government
The Zionist world elite

9) Aliens’

You forgot the lizards you big muppet!

“No serious politiccian would ever wear shades.” you may laugh, nut Nixon lost an election because he failed to shave. Image is everything and Craig could do with a makeover.

“Section 44 anti terror measures make a criminal offense of photographing any means of public transport, and or related structures there of.” I accept, but it does not come under the heading of criminal trespass, that is another offence.

Two minutes!

Judging from the reports of activists posted here, your message is genuinely interesting to the public, whereas the efforts of other parties are water on a duck’s back. Therefore, you could well be elected MP for Norwich North. Keep at it and good luck!

“We get abuse from party hacks on the street, while the parties are tellingly polite to each other and connive to keep me out of broadcast events. Lots of flak now coming”

Craig

“Elites tend to support each other. As minorities, they often have common vested interests though they also compete for power, influence, scarce resources and position in society. The more ambitious members of the elites come forward to form the ruling elite. The elites are, by definition, selfish and parasitical. Elitism is not possible without successful institutionalization of elite interests. Elites succeed in defining the national interest in terms of their sectional interests”…

http://tinyurl.com/lj88vr

This letter was sent to the Morning Star last night.

Morning Star Letters 16 July 2009

Dear Letters Editor,

Keith Flett wants to see a candidate in the Norwich by-election who speaks for the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan (Morning Star 15 July 2009).

He is not surprised to note that New Labour, and the two other members of the Westminster coalition, promote continued war on this ravaged country.

The trio of parties distract the gullible with talk about the insufficiency of helicopters and ‘boots on the ground’.

There is an independent candidate whom the BBC in particular has done its best to airbrush out or rubbish. The fifth of his five principles in his election address reads thus:-

“Hundreds of British servicemen have died in a war that was entered into on the basis of a number of lies by the Prime Minister and of other Ministers. Many of the lies were based on false intelligence – over which I resigned as a British Ambassador. This was a war crime – an illegal war of aggression, the same crime the top Nazis were found guilty of at Nuremberg.

If I am elected, I will never vote to invade another country that is not attacking us, in order to steal the resources of its people. It is such behaviour that leads to an increase in international hostility to the UK, and thus makes us less safe.

I will support the armed forces configured to defend this country, not to invade others.”

I plead that the Morning Star reports the Norwich by-election and that it gives an intelligent and principled human a good hearing. Craig Murray’s independence from the trio is a very big plus. http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

David Halpin

Rob Speare

The decision to not allow comments on the video was mine. Craig was not even consulted.

I chose not to provide a platform for your bilge.

Incidently. Poor old April Pond has allowed comments on her video, but not one person can be bothered to comment either positively or negatively.

“If I am elected, I will never vote to invade another country that is not attacking us, in order to steal the resources of its people.”

Craig Murray speaks the truth.

The real reasons…

“Multi-billion Dollar Mining Boom: The economics of war and empire in Afghanistan.”

“Many Afghans?”from cab drivers, shopkeepers and day labourers to intellectuals?” told us they believe the privatization of Afghanistan’s resource wealth is one among many factors in the strategic geopolitical and economic calculus the leaders of the NATO states use to rationalize their war in Afghanistan. Afghanistan’s undeveloped resource wealth is no secret to Afghans, even if most Canadians outside the mining industry remain ignorant of the fact.”…

http://tinyurl.com/av3tcd

“Military Escalation: From Afghanistan To the Caspian Sea and Central Asia”

“Largest ground combat operation since the Vietnam War.”

“According to estimates of the American WesternGeco Geophysical Company “the Turkmen sector of the Caspian Sea [contains] up 11 billion tons of oil and 5.5 trillion cubic meters of gas, in addition to the already contracted units.” [12]”

“Again, Western military forces move east as energy supplies move west.”…

tinyurl.com/loqeo4

“This letter was sent to the Morning Star last night.” – that will obviously be read by hundreds of people in Norwich North then.

David Halpin is a notoroius idiot. Obviously he would prefer to see a Taleban governement stringing up Gay people, banning women from the workplace and throwing acid in the face of women than a democratic government that includes women.

eddie says: “David Halpin is a notoroius idiot. Obviously he would prefer to see a Taleban governement stringing up Gay people, banning women from the workplace and throwing acid in the face of women than a democratic government that includes women.”

edo says: “not as notorious an idiot as eddie, surely?”

Eddie

The “shades” are not cosmetic but prescribed.

Rob, there was not any script. It’s just me telling some truths. I have no desire to sould or look like someone “Media trained”. That is the point.

Thanks Mary. I’ve not heard of David Halpin but I agree entirely with his letter. The socialist leanings of the Star won’t be popular with detractors here but I think it is generally a very principled read. I’ll pick up a copy tonight!

I think it is worth the left making a case now for what should happen if the troops were pulled out of Afghanistan as soon as possible. Opposition to religious fundamentalism is important, but I wonder – as I also advocate for Iraq – that a trustworthy coalition could be built to oversee the future development of the country? The reason why we’re not seeing regular stories about the increased flow of drugs from the country, and the continuing disastrous human rights record, is that we’re responsible for creating the environment that encourages these things to happen. If we were to withdraw our troops, and a genuine democracy (without any neo-liberal interference) was allowed to flourish, I think the Afghan people could sort it out for themselves.

This is especially true if it is genuinely the case that Taliban are despised by most ordinary people in Afghanistan. Normally this idea is brought up to drum up support for the war, but I think it can be used to illustrate why the Afghan people, with a meaningful democracy, would be better off without our “humanitarian intervention”.

That’s not to say they could not have outside help, of course. But they would have to invite that help in, not tolerate its occupation.

I’ve seen some people maintaining that “we” – influential elements in the US and UK, that is – are not merely profiting from the increased flow of drugs from Afghanistan to the West, but are actively promoting it.

As for imperialist “liberal interventionism” to impose Western-style democracy on other countries, it not only doesn’t work – it’s immoral. It’s protagonists’ Rousseauist notions of forcing people to be free in ways they don’t want to be is potty. If we left them alone, they would be far more likely to leave us alone: so much for Gordon Brown’s humbugging “the reason why we’re there is to keep terrorism off British streets”. All that’s needed to do that is some old-style police intelligence work.

To think that we (the West) can impose our way of life and thinking upon the whole world is crazy. We must do what we can to counter tyranny and to help oppressed people by example and sensitive diplomacy – both of which have been sadly lacking in recent years.

What a thoroughly depressing and defeatist comment. Anticant, what is “Western style democracy”? Democracy is democracy is democracy. If it can happen in India why can’t it happen in Afghanistan? Your paternalistic cultural relativism is immoral. No one is “forcing anyone to be free”. In 2004 8 million Afghanis voted for a democratic government, in spite of massive Taleban intimidation. All the evidence shows that they want a stable, democratic government and do not want the Taleban to return. They also want our support in building their country. Yes there are problems with warlords and corruption and it is easy (and lazy ) to blame the USSR and USA for their past mistakes, but we are where we are. It would also be easy to wash our hands of the place and to let them stew in their own juices – something that I have favourd in the past – but I think that would be wrong. A pull out now would just lead to a Taleban takeover with all the death and destruction that that would mean. Over the past three years there have been fewer attacks on soft targets around the world (Nairobi etc) which seems to indicate that the tactic of fighting Al-Qaeda and the Taleban on their home turf is working. Do you seriously think “old-fashioned police work” would have stopped 7/7? Perhaps it would but not if it was an inside job (not sure if you believe that stauff).

Ah eddie, I sort of thought you would would jump in with both feet at the shallow end as you usually do.

There is nothing depressing or defeatist in pointing out that we – certainly the UK, which can’t even rustle up enough helicopters for the job in hand – and probably not the US either cannot act as world policemen in Afghanistan or anywhere else, and that we would be better engaged in setting our own houses in order.

I’m not sure why you suddenly come over all Gertrude Stein – democracy does require some definition. What’s yours?

I can only defer to your obviously profound inside knowledge of the minds of Afghanis, but I doubt whether the democracy they vote for is of a type you would want to live under.

I also very much doubt whether Al Qaeda actually exists as an organised force except in American propaganda, and if the Taleban are so powerful that they would overrun the place if we left, where are they getting their arms from?

No, I don’t think 7/7 was an inside job, though there may well have been an element of agent provocateurism in it. But I think 9/11 definitely was, engineered by the people you so casually dismissed as having no influence now, while you conveniently ignored the fact that they exercised huge influence throughout the eight years of the Bush presidency and shaped the course of events we are now entangled in.

But of course you happily lap up all the government spin machine’s outpourings and never probe beneath the surface of anything, do you? There’s plenty of solid evidence on the internet for doubting the official version of 9/11 but your type just loftily dismiss all that out of hand without giving it any serious consideration.

I don’t think much of your political judgement, and you certainly aren’t an independent-minded thinker.

“There’s plenty of solid evidence on the internet for doubting the official version of 9/11″

HaHaHaHa. Thanks for that, I haven’t had a good laugh all. The internet is full of garbage as you well know, and the 9/11 troofers are a big element of it. Their thesis is basically, start with what you believe and then find the evidence to support it, discarding all the rest. Empiricism turned on its head. How does it feel to be in the same bed as nutters like David Icke and David Shalyler?

“Putting our own house in order” – so moral relativism as well as cultural relativism eh? Never mind that women are being stoned to death or having acid thrown in their face – nothing to do with us, after all we need to spend our time campaigning against REAL evils like cctv or ID cards. I bet you think we live in a police state don’t you? I bet you think the policing of G20 was the same as the regimes’s response to riots in Iran? We are just as bad as them eh? We’re not.

Democracy = government elected by the people for the people, where everyone has an equal vote and where the majority view prevails. Are there other sorts? Do tell.

The forces in Afghanistan are a NATO coalition, in case you forget. 42 countries acting under a UN mandate. So what sort of Afghanistan would you like to see? And don’t give me a Jehovah’s Witness vision of a land of milk and honey without saying how you get there.

Yes, eddie, the internet is certainly full of garbage. If the cap fits, wear it.

Eddie puts forward the argument that there are bad things happening elsewhere in the world, so we should allow our government/establishment to impose a stasi state in the UK. He is a slimy creature, typical of Nu Liebor.

Eddie a supporter of democracy – this would be funny if it was not so sick? Eddie supports Brown, unelected leader of Nu Liebor, unelected PM of the UK, outright liar over the EU referendum.

There is no point in discussing anything with Eddie – he is a manipulative troll who had had many opportunities to discuss politics and ethics as they pertain to the NN election and independant candidates; instead he relies upon the signature methods of Nu Liebor – spin, lies, abuse.

If people like Eddie are against Craig Murray then I find myself more and more inclined to support Craig.

Whether or not elements of the Bush administration connived at 9/11 or had foreknowledge of it, that administration, from Bush and Cheney downwards, was at the very least guilty of gross criminal negligence for not ensuring that it was effectively foreseen and prevented, and those responsible should have been impeached. And it’s undoubtedly the case that without 9/11 it would have been much more difficult for Bush and Blair to mobilise public support for invading Iraq and Afghanistan.

eddie,

you have a habit of saying that no-one ever answers specific questions on this forum and yet, it is you occupying the top spot as chief offender.

Let’s see if you can redeem yourself.

As you say: much of the internet coverage of 9/11 is garbage – in much the same way as most subjects discussed online contain an amount of crap. that is fair enough but can you please deal with the issue of peer reviewed science which states – without equivocation – that specific explosives are present in the rubble of the WTC complex in the form of a unique chemical fingerprint.

Before you dismiss this out of hand (or ignore the post altogether, as is your other tactic when the facts get in the way of your narrative) please understand the concept of peer review. This science has been examined by other – independent – scientists and passed an open review process.

So, how did the explosive get into the rubble? Or, does this not count as even remotely odd or suspicious in your world?

So Craig is being supported by internet weirdoes and 9/11 troofers?

Well done Craig! I am sure that will go down a storm in Norwich North!

“Hi I’m Craig Murray, I’ve got lots of dosh, I like getting it on with younger women, and look ma, no local support!”

Rob Speare

The real weirdos are Blair and Brown.

They seem to think, STILL, that the best relationship for the UK to have with the rest of the world is a strategy of colonialism: war, global confederacy, funny money, funny carbon, unending exploitation of Africa, propping up criminal leaders in every corner of the world and the strong application of SPIN.

I don’t know much about Norwich or Norfolk, although I used to go on holiday as a child to the Broads and to Thursford Green. Craig is not standing for the local council, he is standing for parliament where members used to represent the opinions of ordinary people. Now they only represent the lobby groups and their well funded gravy trains.

I don’t think it would matter if Norwich North voted for a hedgehog to be its M.P. so long as it challenged the corrupt and stagnant status quo of the mother of parliaments, which has been brought to shame by the two barmy B’s aforementioned.

Something else for eddie, rob spears, and others to ponder on:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14239

@Rob Speare: Who are you voting for? Or if you aren’t in Norwich North, who would you vote for?

@anticant [et al]: Oh good god. Couldn’t you all just give the 9/11 stuff a break? Presumably you’re all quite fond of Craig. Don’t you think you could stop harnessing all that stuff to his site until the election is over, at the very least?

Rob Lewis

Let’s give all that 9/11 stuff a break. Let’s just wait for the generation of children who witnessed the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine, as a result of lies about 9/11, to grow up and destroy our civilisation because we couldn’t face the truth about ourselves.

Muslims worldwide still believe that the ordinary British voter is different to the murderers at the top. Prove them wrong in this election, by turning your backs and closing your ears and planting your dahlias and switching off the information that is available down the internet.

In the time of the slave trade, or the holocaust, people had the excuse that they didn’t know what was going on. Now there is no excuse, and I am with Craig 100% that the Muslims in this country have been the worst offenders in blanking out the reality of what has been done in our name by Bush and Brown/Blair.

I second that, with the amendment of “suffered from” instead of “witnessed”.

The people who support the Hitlerite doctrine of ‘liberal interventionism’ erase from their minds the hundreds of thousands who have died as a direct consequence of 9/11.

If it was even partly an inside job, it was one of the greatest crimes in world history. If it wasn’t, the subsequent US/UK policies have been utterly inept and counterproductive and their poisonous consequences will rebound on us for many years to come.

By the way, Rob Lewis, I am not “fond” of Craig. I have never met him. But I admire his (sometimes almost reckless) courage in speaking his mind, and I respect many – though not all – of his opinions. I most certainly think that he would make a far superior MP to most of those whose posteriors are currently sullying the green benches, and I hope the voters of Norwich North have the good sense to send him to Parliament to represent them.

Another NuLabour stoge condones torture, this time it’s Postman Pat.

Yahoo news

Torture probe: Johnson defends MI5

25 mins ago

Home Secretary Alan Johnson has come to the defence of MI5 following the launch of a police investigation into allegations that some of its agents were complicit in torture.

Mr Johnson said he had “nothing but admiration” for the work of the security service and believed they operated “to the highest ethical and professional standards”.

And he warned Britain’s interests would be at risk if the service’s counter-terrorism capabilities were “diminished and diluted”.

Scotland Yard announced last week it was launching an investigation, at the request of Attorney General Baroness Scotland, into claims made by former Guantanamo Bay detainee Binyam Mohamed.

The 30-year-old Ethiopian national alleges MI5 knew he was tortured into confessing terrorist activities while in custody in Pakistan and Morocco and that MI5 officers fed questions to his interrogators through the CIA. The Government denies the claims.

Mr Johnson, who took on responsibility for MI5 when he was appointed Home Secretary in June, said: “I haven’t sat around the last six weeks not looking into these things.

“I have looked very closely at them and I just say this: we have one of the best counter-terrorism capabilities in the world and we diminish and dilute it at our peril.”

He added: “In my six weeks in this job I am so reassured and so amazed at the work that is going on, on our behalf, by people who do not have a voice, who are not able to express their views, who work in the most difficult and dangerous circumstances.

“I have nothing but admiration for them. As I am in effect their voice I will defend them and defend what they do, and it does worry me. I believe they work to the highest ethical and professional standards.”

His comments will be welcomed by the intelligence agencies amid concerns that public confidence in them has been shaken by allegations that they colluded with the torture of terror suspects.

Eddie – ‘Democracy = government elected by the people for the people, where everyone has an equal vote and where the majority view prevails. Are there other sorts? Do tell.’

I’ll tell you different you vermean specimen. Democracy is where the vast majority of the population are aware of the system itself; how the system works; are able to change the system; actively participate in the system; and, in effect, see themselves as ‘same’ to those in government and vice versa. If you think that’s the case now i’ll get you a nice tinfoil hat you pitiful little man. Do you have no shame at all? Shocking and deeply disturbing.

“NHS faces financial meltdown”

“Tories or New Labour – it’s cuts, cuts, cuts!”

“WHETHER IT’S the Tories or New Labour who form the next government, one thing is clear, the National Health Service (NHS) faces its biggest crisis since it was founded in 1948.”…

http://tinyurl.com/m7nxdp

Democracy is where there are honest MPs free from greed and manipulation. Not frightened to stand up in parliament and ask the government why so many billions of the taxpayers’ money has disappeared and why state agencies make little or no effort to find the main bulk of our money.

“Democracy = government elected by the people for the people, where everyone has an equal vote and where the majority view prevails”

Incorrect. What you’re describing there is Western-style oligarchy ie government by a small group of people with a small democratic element.

In a true democracy government is not elected by the people, government is the people, with each citizen having an equal say in collective decision-making. Not a lot of it around.

“In 2004 8 million Afghanis voted for a democratic government, in spite of massive Taleban intimidation.”

So that’s democracy is it? Hamid Karzai was ferried around in US military vehicles, protected by US troops. He covered more ground and in a much safer fashion than any of his opponents. He was given a 10 to 1 advantage by the US. He was foisted on the people of Afghanistan by the all-powerful clean-handed superpower that preaches freedom to the rest of us.

Corrupt or not, Karzai has been getting under US skins for regularly complaining (and rightly so) about the number of Afghan civilians being killed in US attacks, and made himself unpopular with the US big chiefs (who make out they object to him because he’s corrupt – but that wouldn’t bother them if he kept his mouth shut.) So now they’re hoping to insert a heavyweight challenge to him inside the Afghan government. Someone who will, presumably, shut up about civilian deaths and do as he’s told. Even if said government only controls Kabul.

As for the plight of Afghan women, that’s neither here nor there, in their obsession to get their grubby little hands on the oil and gas (but a great line to feed to US citizens, especially the more vocal feminists, and naive posters here).

http://tinyurl.com/cafdkx

Funniest comment I heard about the Taliban (American commentator on TV): “They have an odd streak of nationalism”.

This from the country that only counts US deaths in Iraq. Because, you know, one American life is worth ten of anyone else’s, and as one commenter on a site said to me, “I don’t care how many of the bastards they torture if it saves one American life”.

I could throw up.

Thanks for the abuse again. No arguments just abuse.Yo ur notions of democracy are pitiful. La La land. MJ/Dreolin – tell me a country that has ever come close to your notion of democracy. Bet you can’t.

Chris, you ask how did the explosive get into the rubble? It was put there by dark forces/pixies/God. Either one of these answers is just as credible as your silly fantasies. The BIG question that not one of you can answer is how a conspiracy involving hundreds of operatives has been kept a secret, how NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has spilled the beans eight years after the event. It is beyond credibility. As anon says, best to keep off this topic – it’s for losers, it’s history for the dumb, it makes you look silly.

Anticant 9/11 is”one of the greatest crimes in world history” ? Come off it, 3,000 died. Osama has admitted it and he had previous, not least an earlier attempt to blow up the WTC (or was that dark forces too?). Apart from anything else it is an affront to his ingenuity and planning to suggest that anyone else did it.

JAded, sorry for the abuse but you are a prime time tosser.

Oh and Drearylin, “the plight of Afghan women is nether here nor there”? Now that DOES make me want to throw up. Over you preferably.

eddie, IF 9/11 was deliberately planned and executed in order to provide a plausible pretext for the US to invade Iraq and bring yet more chaos and mayhem into the Middle East than Israel had already succeeded in doing, it was indeed a crime of outrageous magnitude.

And before you go weeping crocodile tears over Afghan women, why don’t you and your ZanuLabour government take tougher steps to stop the domestic abuse of Muslim women living in Britain, to end the stealthy creep towards the recognition of Sharia Law in this country, and to ensure that these women have equal rights with all other British women?

You talk like a sanctimonious Victorian missionary – which is what you lot are, with all endless prattle about “democracy”, “equality” and “multiculturalism” all of which amounts to patronising covert colonialism.

It is NOT my business, or yours, to make life perfect (in our terms) for everyone all over the world. If Pashtun people want to follow lunatic religious teachings and mistreat their womenfolk in their own tribal regions that is their business – but not in our backyard, please.

NuLabour, though, is terrified of offending misogynistic Muslim men because they want their votes, and those of their tame women, securely sewn up for the party regardless of bribery, corruption, and dodgy postal votes.

if? I agree with you, but you have zero proof that such a fantastic notion has any legs, so your point is meaningless. Your cultural and moral relativism is interesting – for a start Labour has done a lot to tackle the evils you mention, fighting arranged marriages and so-called honour killings. Many people attack Labour for being Islamophobic, you seem to be the reverse. But if you don’t think that we should be concerned about the plight of women in other countries, where the evils perpetrated are often MUCH worse than anything over here then we may as well shut up shop and become an isolationist little island. Would that make the world a better place do you think? Internationalism is a key part of politics.

By “internationalism” you mean bossy meddlesome interference driven by American and British self-assumed superior values, when in fact both countries are massively morally and materially corrupt and most often intervene in other countries’ affairs out of self-interested motives.

I don’t say we shouldn’t be concerned about the plight of Afghan, or any other, women but I do say we should not go attempting to colonise their countries under the pretext of rescuing them from their indigenous culture and imposing ours. That is imperialism.

Since you ask, I think a bigger dose of “Little Englandism” would be no bad thing. Do you really believe that Africa is a better place because of 19th and 20th century colonialism? Maybe Egypt and the Sudan would be healthier places today if we hadn’t fought and won Omdurman. But of course we had to, because the Suez Canal was our lifeline to our Far Eastern possessions.

You see, foreign intervention is driven by self-interest all the time, dressed up as a “civilizing mission”.

It really is time to pack in the humbug.

BBC latest:

The vote will take place on 23 July

The candidate list for the Norwich North by-election has been published, with 12 people confirmed as standing.

The poll, to take place on 23 July, was triggered by the resignation of Labour MP Ian Gibson after he was deselected over his expenses claims.

Dr Gibson had a majority of 5,459 over the Conservatives in 2005.

Among the independents standing is Craig Murray, former Ambassador to Uzbekistan, who left the post in 2004 after criticising its human rights.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8141171.stm

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Craigs name is mentioned before the NeoLabour party and its other head, Camerons coven the toff ta-wee’s.

Craig Murray speaks the truth.

18 July 2009

“That Washington is prepared to embark on such a course is a measure of the desperate position of US imperialism, which is in Afghanistan not to fight “terrorism,” but to secure US hegemony in Central Asia, with its vast energy resources. The intensification of the fighting in Afghanistan and its extension across the border into Pakistan, however, will heighten instability throughout the region, sowing the seeds for a far greater conflagration.”…

http://tinyurl.com/n9w3wm

Men of honour…

tinyurl.com/lp3faf

At last with 5 days to go before the election, Craig is given a mention on the BBC.

On Thursday both 24 hr news channels, BBC and Sky, carried live coverage of Col Thorneloe’s funeral at the Guards Chapel with HRH PC and the DoC in attendance to add gravitas and recognition to the sad proceedings.

Yesterday Sky were broadcasting live from Plymouth the funeral of 18 year old Trooper Joshua Hammond of the Tank Regiment. His colleagues were in attendance and looked like children, An Irishman Enda Brady was doing the commentary and it was revolting. All buttons were being pushed to arouse the viewers’ ‘patriotism’. Bagpipes were played following a gun salute.

My paper, the Surrey Advertiser, a weekly in the Guardian group, has the front page headlined ‘Parents so proud of their son killed…… and a whole page inside of photos and reports of the Princess of Wales Regiment marching through Guildford. I was not in the gawping crowd.

There is obvious MOD and No. 10 involvement in this manipulative crapoganda distributed by the MSM. What a waste of lives! It should be NON Est Dulce et Decorum Pro Patria Mori unless in self defence.

Mary

But they died to keep terrorism off the streets of Britain. The Great Gordo himself has told us so.

Crapoganda indeed!

eddie,

Talking shit as usual…..

Quote: “Come off it, 3,000 died. Osama has admitted it….”

Actually, he denied it:

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

The ‘Osama’ who ‘admitted it was a ridiculous (not very)look-alike, obviously a CIA stooge who wore, in very unIslamic fashion, gold rings on his fingers and wrote with the wrong hand.

Furthermore the FBI declared that there is no hard evidence against Bin Laden:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2623

10 Jun 2009

“Fuel poverty in the UK is getting worse despite government efforts to eradicate the problem by next year, a group of MPs have warned.”…

http://tinyurl.com/law6yj

“despite government efforts”…I don’t think so…

27, Mar 2009

“The fuel poverty bill was unable to make progress last week because so few MP’s turned out to vote, a lobby group said today.”

“The Federation of Private Residents Association (FPRA) have today asked why just seven per cent of Labour MPs and ten per cent of Conservative MP’s turned out to vote, meaning the bill was 11 votes short of the requirement to make progress.”…

tinyurl.com/ldx6ls

Understandable really,too busy filling out their expenses.

After an eternity of Tory and Labour governments…

tinyurl.com/dxxb72

The state of the nation…

tinyurl.com/lswdah

It’s ALL about to get MUCH worse.The Tories and New Labour will tell us all AGAIN…Things will get better tomorrow,just keep voting for us..but with them tomorrow NEVER comes.

eddie’s passionate concern for the plight of Muslim women is mightily impressive. Great will be his reward in heaven for being possessed of such compassion.

It is a pity this compassion does not extend to the million plus Iraqis and Afghans that have been murdered in their own countries by the representative of our glorious humanitarian venture. Of course many Muslim women are among the mountains of corpses we have created.

How unfortunate for them, when we have created a situation where there’s a good chance they could have gone to geography lessons if they had so choosen.

Don’t mention vomit again, eddie.

Fucking don’t.

By the way, Craig’s strongest moment in the Norwich North hustings on Thursday was, in my opinion, when he said that the Afghan President and his ally General Dostum of the Northern Alliance were among the biggest drug dealers on the face of the earth and that the British Army were in Afghanistan to protect an American oil pipeline.

He didn’t mention western governments’ interest in the opium crop, nor that our troops are protecting it….

…however, it was a worthwhile moment …..when some very lazy commonly accepted lies were vehemently challenged.

The Labour government are very worried about the public’s perception of the Afghan mission. They even wheeled out Sir Gus O’Donnell (GOD) last sunday to make their case on The Politics Show.

O’Donnell wittered on about establishing ‘democracy’ and improvements in education for females.

Typical mind-warping rubbish.

(I went to school with Gus and played football with him. He had the best manners in all England then and so it is now….that is obviously what makes him so useful. Like Blair, he has the manner of the very best, most trustworthy salesman. It is unfortunate that he puts his skills in service of what can only be described as evil. One can only wonder what happened to the guy. Being a gentleman is not enough.)

I don’t like how this country treats its women at the moment, sexualising teenage girls, but this country’s colonialism is a bigger issue, and we are here to discuss the BIG issues. Eddie is a shrill, or virulent shill, who is paid to deviate as much as possible.

Plenty of crapaganda on the BBC’s Week at Westminster this morning, in worship of the Milibands, ( opposite of broadband ). Apparently someone might get hold of a nuclear bomb in the region of Pakistan, so we have to go and de-stabilise the area, to assist. The fact that UK nuclear bombs hold you and I to ransom as human shields, and have done for half a century is not considered.

Still waiting for the miliband connection to reach my brain. Maybe their logic works like homeopathy. You dilute commonsense to the millionth part and it starts to cure.

“Oh and Drearylin, “the plight of Afghan women is nether here nor there”? Now that DOES make me want to throw up. Over you preferably.”

Don’t you dare cut off half of one of my sentences and try to pretend that that is what I was saying. Your tactics here are both juvenile and deceitful. You’re at your wits end trying to score points. The above is not the way to do it.

KevinB – A couple of my friends are Salesians who were at school with Gus. I wonder if they know you? I can imagine that you were bullied.

Internationalism – anticant et al, if we took your approach we would still have slavery and cannibalism across the world. “Oh yes, those people eat each other but it’s nothing to do with us -it’s their charming culture” – bollocks says I. What are the limits of your non-interference?

Yes, when I see Hillary and little Milipede loftily lecturing Iranians, North Koreans and others about the impertinence of their nuclear ambitions, I always wonder if it ever occurs to them that if they offered to give up the US, UK and Israeli nuclear stockpiles if Russia and other nuclear powers did the same, the world would instantaneously become a dramatically safer place? The small reductions agreed by Obama and Medvedev are, of course, merely token, when both retain more than enough nuclear warheads to destroy the entire planet two or three times over.

But in their usual magnificently blinkered fashion, ‘our’ leaders blandly assume that anything WE do is for the good of everyone else.

eddie prattles about internationalism. It’s far too long since serious nuclear disarmament proposals were on the international agenda.

eddie, if I were a cannibal and you were a missionary I would gleefully pop you into my boiling pot, even though knowing perfectly well that you are inedible.

What I like so much about you is that like a gormless trout you rise to every fly that’s cast over you – the gaudier the better.

Eddie the Head (Wikipedia)

Name

Eddie’s full name is Edward The Head (Edward T.H?”?” the remainder of his surname is hidden by a clump of soil on the Live After Death cover.) Other plays on Eddie’s name can be seen in the Video Game (based on him) Ed Hunter. The name originates from the following old joke:

Eddie the head was born with no body, no arms, and no legs. All he had was a head. But despite this major birth defect, his parents still loved him very much. So on his sixteenth birthday, his parents found a doctor that could surgically give Eddie a body. When the parents got home, they couldn’t wait to tell him that he could finally have a body and be like other normal people. When Eddie got there, they were really excited and said, “Have we got a surprise for you. It’s the best present ever!” They showed him, and Eddie said, “Oh no, not another fuckin’ hat!”

Iron Maiden gave the name “Eddie” to that mask.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iron_Maiden_at_The_Fields_of_Rock_festival.jpg

“America’s media repeatedly claimed that Afghan women would be better off under the U.S”…

http://tinyurl.com/pr824u

“An Irishman Enda Brady was doing the commentary and it was revolting.”

Mary,

He’s always revolting. He’s a little lick-up without much in the way of brains.

Quite Dreoilin. He was embedded in 2003 needless to say http://www.endabrady.com/gallery1_files/Photos/iraq1%20(web)_thumb.jpg

and has his own B I G website where he greets you on the banner. What a twit.

http://www.endabrady.com/

But we all know that EVERYBODY is better off under the US. As an American tourist shouted at me in Italy “I don’t care about anyone else. We’re SAFE under the American flag!”

The US actions listed below were of course all carried out solely for the benefit of the respective native populations:

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

The oppression of women under the Taleban was not a reason for Western intervention in Afgjanistan before 9/11.

Baser motives played a greater part. New Labour lacked the wisdom of Harold Wilson who helped to found the Open University and declined to get involved in Vietnam. New Labour has reduced the teaching grant for the O.U. and got the UK involved in America’s military activities, to win kudos for the PM.

Some good reasons why I think Craig Murray will exert a good influence in parliament as Independent MP for Norwich North.

eddie,

Quote: “A couple of my friends are Salesians who were at school with Gus. I wonder if they know you? I can imagine that you were bullied.”

Your imagination, as usual, lets you down…..but although inaccurate it maintains its usual high level of disingenuous creepiness.

Who are these ‘friends of yours’? I can think of one or two possible candidates but no more than that.

I think the word ‘crony’ may be more applicable when we are discussing folk of eddie’s ilk. You think people like eddie have friends or come from loving families? That’s why I pity him to a certain degree. Some of his comments are utterly inexscusable though. Poor eddie.

Yes I have been a bit mean to him today so in spite of some of his nastier remarks would like to send him one of my favourites from the old days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVIiQ8iNvKc&feature=related

The Norwich Massive can have a go at it tonight with Craig on the mike. The lyrics are here

http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/j/justlikeeddie.shtml

“ilk”

I like using the word “elk”, it’s an animal thats moves into a part of a forest and completely decimates it so that nothing can live there…then it moves on and does the same to another part of the forest…Just like eddie does to this forum and it’s threads.

According to Kelvin McKenzie on Sky news recently, Cherie Blair has got the flu, maybe its swine flu, would be most appropriate for those with their snouts in the public trough! Lets hope Tony doesn’t catch it too before he gets to the EU top trough job !

18 July 2009

More tragic news…

http://tinyurl.com/mnf6bc

Remembering A Courageous Journalist…

tinyurl.com/kr94r2

Fuel poverty. This government is only interested in fixing things through spin. Funny money is back with bankers’ bonuses and quantative easing . Funny carbon means that you can offset emmissions against inmaginary quotas invented by global conmen.

Maslow’s pyramid shape hierarchy of need. The bottom line is: I need respect and privacy, somewhere safe and warm and food please before we start talking about life choices and education. At the top of the pyramid are esoteric things like politics and beliefs.

Our politicians have an upside down pyramid of greed. The bottom line is ‘ I will toe the party line.’ working upwards to:’ Can I fiddle my expenses ? ‘ Then: ‘Will I get promoted if I join my party’s Friends of Israel lobby?’ and: ‘ Will I get on the city gravy train if I sacrifice my conscience for my party about illegal wars, torture and war crimes?’.

Churchill says ‘yes ‘. I’ve often wanted to light a bonfire at the bottom of his statue in Parliament Square and see the flames shooting out of his eyes. This is the man who destroyed the Ottoman Empire. Together with Oliver Cromwell who really started the funny money interest game, more should be done to highlight for tourists the great historical achievements of the UK.

“Funny money is back with bankers’ bonuses and quantative easing”

It never went away…As we are about to find out…

“Despite all this, the banks are on the verge of bankruptcy. The Bank of England’s Financial Stability Report warned that the banks are so debt laden and short of liquid assets that the economic recession and rising bad debts threatens their viability and that of the financial system itself”…

http://tinyurl.com/nhf5xt

George Dutton – its is a possessive pronoun. No apostrophe. For your future reference. kevinb – give me yours and I will give you mine.

No answers. Just abuse. “What are the limits of your non-interference?” It’s a simple question. How can hundreds of operatives maintain an eight-year silence? Another simple question. Answers came there none. Just abuse.

Ok, so after a short reprieve, in which Gordon Brown does nothing to boost public confidence by removing the funny money from the real economy, the banks start asking for more. The real economy is finished, and confidence is finished and this time nobody will lend to us any more. We go to the EU and secure a humble place on unfavourable terms. I can live with that.

What concerns me is the likes of Rob Speare. Part of my ancestry is Huguenot, and the choice of name from Robespierre has a worrying significance. The policies which Gordon Brown is being forced to follow by his Zionist banker blackmailers will lead to a quasi-revolution, coupled with religious and sectarian violence, particularly against Muslims.

At this point, whatever degree of civil unrest actually occurs,the terms of our acceptance into Europe, led by Satan himself alias Tony Blair, will be categorically against the long established freedoms of this country, for which Oliver Cromwell fought, the freedom of religion and the freedom of speech.

It really would be better if the good citizens of Norwich North rolled over and went back to sleep.

Do you think eddie IS the head of the Bank of England? Maybe it gets boring waiting for a great nation to fall, so he nitpicks about other people’s punctuation to fill in the time before he collects his Order of Sion reward.

“George Dutton – its is a possessive pronoun. No apostrophe.”

eddie

Unlike you I never conform.

You keep mentioning the word “abuse” in your posts,time and time again.I think the word holds some deep significance in/for you. Did you suffer “abuse” as a child?.

I think it is admirable that George Dutton, proud supporter of Craig Murray, seeks to make light of child abuse.

I suppose this is the kind of “honest politics” that Craig stands for.

It is funny how every criticism of Craig and his cronies, who like to waste their time arguing online rather than actually helping his campaign, is met with deranged cries of “ZaNuLieBour”, “NWO”, “Zionist/Freemason conspiracy”, etc.

Get some sunlight, guys!

‘No answers. Just abuse.’

Just about all you are fit for. After all, you’ve been given answers a million times over. I’d say even our abuse is probably too good for you. Funny how you keep coming back for more? I think you’ve had your 5 minutes for today. Now come back tomorrow before we spank your botty you little WEASEL.

P.S. 5 minutes a day? *GUFFAWS LOUDLY*

Rob Speare

Strange that you should say as you have above. Where may I ask was I…”seeks to make light of child abuse”… My point to eddie was a truthful one,he does use the word “abuse” a LOT. You do like to twist things to fit your agenda Rob even to the point of lying. It stands out a mile.

How’s Cambridge Eddie?

George

I only use the word abuse because you and yours won’t answer any questions but just resort to cheap abuse. As Corporal Jones used to say,”They don’t like it up ‘em”. George, it’s (note the apostrophe?) not a case of conformity, it’s about basic grammatical skills, which you seem not to possess.

As Rob Speare says, you all need some sunlight. Well I’m off out to have a few drinks and some fun and get away from all you fruitcakes in your sad bedsits. Luckily in the real world people are mostly sane. Still, a certain amount of vicarious fun is to be had in winding you up.

“it’s about basic grammatical skills, which you seem not to possess.”

eddie

it’s about basic humanitarian instincts, which you seem not to possess.

Dear All

I had to laugh at the Troll, eddie.

“I only use the word abuse because you and yours won’t answer any questions but just resort to cheap abuse”.

New Labour answer questions, what a joke.

He must think we are backward!

Yours sincerely

George Laird

The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

Sorry for not having indulged on line or bothered with time waster such as Rob, we are just too busy.

Today on leafletting in hellesdon, a Norwich suburb, a chap came running up behind us and asked us whether we are Craig Murrays team.

He then said that him and his mate are going to vote for Craig, because they believe him.

He was not going to vote for professional liars and fraudulent individuals who have ridden the system for far too long.

Who was I to disagree? On the way back he had Craigs poster in the window.

The self serving political mongering of an eclectic broadcasting elite who’s self serving and extravagant ‘habits’ are as billious as that of our party political career politicians, their power has been broken forever.

This Dvd was conceived, shot, edited and manufactured to best standard within twelve days, the last 50.000, addressed and labellled were delivered to the post office yesterday 12 noon.

By monday morning and lunchtime when the bulk gets delivered, I expect many more posters to be put up in windows and many more voters being persuaded by the universal appeal that Independents can provide.

Volunteers from some 10 nations are helping us to do different in Norwich North, unique for a by election, unique because of its ‘insignificance’ to Mrs. Boaden and the BBC’s perceived perceptioneering, whatever have I made up now? and unique for the fun characters that are all helping this campaign to swing momentum.

The fact that others talk about us, that candidates try and interject, to throw Craig off his turn, accuse him of all sorts of inconsequential misdemeanors, it all shows that they are non plused by his expertise and factual accuraccy.

Refering to Craig during hustings, agreeing with much of his discourse and arguments, shows that he is of a far more approprioate quality than what the parties have shipped into Norwich from their last Ipswich battle.

off to bed, my feet are killing me.

“President Carter: Many Children Were Tortured Under Bush”…

http://tinyurl.com/l7b9ub

“I only use the word abuse because you and yours won’t answer any questions but just resort to cheap abuse.”–troll

That is an out and out lie, as anyone who bothers to check back can verify for themselves.

You have the typical signature of a troll:

When you can’t respond to the arguments put to you, you resort to nitpicking about typos and grammar. And if you think your remarks about Craig’s video are anything other than “cheap abuse” you need a dictionary.

“Well I’m off out to have a few drinks and some fun”

No you’re not.

“all you fruitcakes in your sad bedsits.”

Projection.

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“off to bed, my feet are killing me.” –ingo

Great to hear the reports from the ground, for those of us who can’t be there.

Good luck from Australia!

Win!!!!!!!

So two more possible votes for Craig, that will be a big help.

Big Girl, go and lie down and keep taking those pills. I could list half a dozen questions that have had no answer here. I gave constructive criticism of Craig’s video and his appearance. George you still haven’t told us what human rights are being compromised at Glasgow University and what your official position is there. Do tell. Are they making you work for a change?

Eddie, what do you call constructive? There’s no need for you to point to your norms, because you had nothing to do with it, thats fine with me and those voters who watch it.

They do not ask for a polished clone of what is available currently, they are perfectly happy with a person looking normally.

So eddie, do tell us, given your vast knowledge, what you think the total number of votes will be for Craig Murray?

You’ve been banging on and on about how YOU think Craig stands ‘no chance’, so it would be interesting to see how accurate your predictions are.

Go on, give us a number…

@Ingo

Many thanks for the report from Norwich. It sounds as though you are doing very well. Producing a DVD in 12 days and getting it to 50,000 addresses in less is quite an achievement. My knees are not up to marathon walks, but no doubt you will keep going steadily all the way to election night and victory!

He won’t win, that’s all you need to know. Perhaps 1,500? Look, Craig is one of a long line of whistleblowers or establishment defectors – Clive Ponting, Cathy Massiter, David Icke, David Shayler – his money is running out and he wants a public profile. All of them disappeared without trace or beca figures of fun. Why do you think he should be any different? Martin Bell was lucky because he hit the zeitgeist at the right time. Craig has no backing, no public profile and no organisation. He may be nice-ish bloke but he is not a serious political figure. Moreover, most of the posters on these boards have views that he does not agree with. Sending a rambling dvd to voters is a silly idea, a) because very few people will bother to view it and b) because modern politics is all about short sharp messages and image. You may not like that analysis but it is the truth. Why do you think The Sun is so successful? Because it keeps things simple. Whether or not you despise its politics you have to admit that it is a brilliantly conceived and executed newspaper. Read Rod Liddle in today’s Sunday Times. You are wasting your time.

I wonder, am I in the majority here to conclude that the obvious trolls are obvious and need to either be banned or starved of comment?

Some openly admit their troll credentials as per eddie who siad:

“…you fruitcakes in your sad bedsits. Luckily in the real world people are mostly sane. Still, a certain amount of vicarious fun is to be had in winding you up”

rather than contributing.

Who needs to see this garbage? (other than pathetic attention seeking trolls that is).

The sad thing is, many here are allowing these observably certifiable idiots basically take over the whole comment section.

One can see the amusing aspect of watching a troll antagonise themselves endlessly, knowing they will one day have their moment of truth, however this does greatly despoil an otherwise highly important and intelligent man’s serious prospects of defeating troll-like cuckoos.

Trolls do this for exactly this reason. Being a paid troll is a good business for merciless morans to get into. Ruin genuine human communications forever – gov – pay $80 p/h.. here’s a list of forums/blogs to abuse for the party line – now go at it you little weasel …

It serves nobody to feed trolls, even if you believe they are real, or you are of the misguided opinion that you are dishing out some kind of final moral judgements for all humanity against said trolls (which may one day occur to the troll).

Trolls simply take away the forum from those who are interested and concerned with the substance, creating irrelevancies and roadblocks to fruitful discussion.

THEY know this – THAT is why they do it.

Nobody wants to read rebuttals to endless trolling except OTHER trolls.

You all deserve real people to represent you – NOT trolls.

Believe it can happen and only then, it will, despite the paid government jokes and trolls.

Ignore the trolls and continue to talk as real people of the issues at hand, ESPECIALLY local issues – CM’s other higher and more serious credentials are evident.

Craig, represent your local people – I think the smart ones know that you meta-represent them via your previous real experiences.

Good luck Mr Murray and best wishes that real thinking people will one day understand that they can have a REAL alternative. God forbid you all get another troll.

The Sun. How risible. Such a literate journal. Their ‘travel correspondent’ was on the BBC this morning (placed there no doubt by the travel industry lobby to attempt a rise in their bookings) and she said ‘There is (sic) lots of bargains out there….

There is a prediction that thirty airlines are going to go out of business by the end of the year so if I were you Eddie I would get your booking in now. We will even club together to pay for you to have an extended holiday. Try the US – your views would go down well in some quarters there.

Quite a fair weather forecast for Norwich next Thursday. Good day for getting out to vote.

http://tiny.cc/1sBjC

Why is it with you people there is always someone oppressing you in some way? Trolls, those dastardly ‘BBC execs’, the world in general.

The thought of you with your 16 followers /voters sitting round singing together is classic.

No further trolls or detractors are required on board thanks Davos. (Have you any connection to the World Economic Forum, located in Davos and haunt of Bliar, Mandelslime et al?)

This on medialens -

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Email to Jane Merrick of Independent – coverage of Norwich North

Posted by fugazi (fugazi2) on July 19, 2009, 10:29 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/norwich-north-not-your-o

Hi Jane,

Why no mention of Craig Murray and other independent candidates in your Independent newspaper (!!!!!) article? He is the bookies’ 3rd favourite.

How are we supposed to move away from a corrupted two party state if you fail in your responsibility to provide the public with all of the information for them to decide for themselves?

Kind regards

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The reality, evident from the reports of activists in Norwich, is that Craig’s team are getting a better reception from the public there than the major parties. The reason is that the major parties have a bad reputation, for good reasons. That is why Craig may well win. The DVD will have an impact that could crucially contribute to victory. So keep at it!

If Craig and his team keep at it full tilt until polling day, there is a real chance that he will win. This could prove to be as historic a by-election as Tatton and Crewe.

Trolls are not oppressive, they’re a hoot! Rather like two-year-olds interrupting the adults at a social occasion.

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More power to your elbows – and legs – on the ground in Norwich North. I’m looking forward enormously to an upset apple cart!

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Excerpt from the Sunday Express

http://tinyurl.com/mhudbs

“The Lib Dems have been accused of dirty tricks after branding the Green candidate, philosophy lecturer Rupert Read, an “extremist” and a “nutter” for saying Britain had the July 7 terror attacks “coming to us”.

While the improbably named Lib Dem candidate, April Pond, has been irritated after revelations she lives in a house with a large moat. Unsurprisingly, voters have been turned off.

At a hustings organised by Age Concern last Thursday, fewer than 20 turned up.

Of those who did, the thumbs up went not to Tory Ms Smith, but to Norfolk-born Craig Murray, the former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is standing as an independent anti-sleaze candidate.

To many, he stood head and shoulders above the others, answering questions thoughtfully instead of trotting out party-approved mantras.

But despite spending £35,000 delivering a promotional DVD, he has struggled to attract media attention.

He has not even invited to tomorrow’s BBC hustings event, which has room only for the three main parties and the Greens.

“It’s a travesty of democracy,” he said. “This is an election caused by a breakdown in the system and a lack of faith in MPs and the more people hear me, the more impressed they are.”

The cynicism of mainstream politicians was summed up last Thursday by Jan Edwards, a maternity unit manager at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

As she showed Nick Clegg around her ward, she told the Sunday Express: “I’m not sure you can trust any of them. They make lots of promises, but never keep them.”

Labour said Gordon Brown had “no plans” to visit Norwich North.”

So the fact that the media have now covered Craig should stop his loyal trolls from crying conspiracy? No more imaginary plots from the ZaNuLieBour-controlled BBC and the evil media?

No more deals behind closed doors between the evil political parties to shut out our brave independent Craig? If Craig is so independent, and hates parties, why has he started his own party called “Put an honest man in parliament”? Surely there is an irony in the fact that this party exists purely to serve the ego of one man? Not much of a party really is it? How is that being honest?

Also, why is Craig any different or any better than the other independent candidate?

I suspect none of these questions will get answers: like Eddie, they will only receive abuse from Craig’s loyal trolls.

If you think I am a troll the solution is simple, ignore me. But it is hardly as if I am interrupting anything intelligent. It’s more a case of children unable to answer difficult questions and throwing tantrums. Diddums. If Craig wins I will eat my metaphorical hat.

“I’m not sure you can trust any of them. They make lots of promises, but never keep them.” – what, you mean like the promises Craig made to his first wife? They are indeed all the same! Claiming the moral high ground in the honesty department is tempting fate I would have thought.

I see that David Shayler is now a woman. He clearly needs help. But of course his friends are blaming all the usual dark forces for his plight, indeed everyone but Shayler himself. A bit like Craig in that respect, setting up straw men now (the BBC,UCU etc) so that his defeat can be laid on others.

The only straw man we know of is Jack ex Blackburn Crooked Elections ‘R Us. Condoner of Torture. War criminal. NuLabour Stooge.

Did you get through to the travel agents?

OK, so eddie’s bet is 1,500 votes for Craig.

We’ll see.

Can we assume you’ll piss off when he gets substantially more than that? Oh no, of course not, you’re only here to troll.

Hope the team will be knocking on doors and collecting pledges between now and polling day.

In my neck of the woods we haven’t seen a peep of a Labour or Tory candidate at any of the last three of four local and parliamentary elections.

Seems they can’t get footsloggers to do the job for them any more.

eddie,

your last comment was distasteful even by your standards.

I always thought that you should be given a fair hearing. I was wrong.

I second that. I used to think eddie had an element of decency about him, but he has proved otherwise.

We should all ignore him from now on.

Who gives a flying fish what he thinks, anyway?

Dear eddie

“George you still haven’t told us what human rights are being compromised at Glasgow University and what your official position is there. Do tell. Are they making you work for a change?”

This isn’t my blog and I know that you are just trolling.

I noticed that you took the time to do some research and came up empty.

Let me help, a blog is in process of being set up which will address your concerns.

With scanned in university documents for veracity.

Then it will go online.

And some people will be very unhappy.

Yours sincerely

George Laird

The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

George can’t wait. Yes, I could find no trace of you at Glasgow, so that is suspicious isn’t it? Chris sorry you found my comment distasteful but Shayler has said some very nasty things in his time but I feel sorry for him now. He clearly needs help.

eddie, you aren’t worth talking to but you clearly need help too. Your attacks on Craig over his private life and marital arrangements are below the belt and quite despicable. You have evidently been taking a slaggers course from McBride and Draper. You are disgusting.

Sad and bitter old man. You know that any politiciam manque will have his private life under scrutiny. It’s par for the course and if you want to be in the public eye then you had better get used to it. If you can’t stand the heat etc.

Cut out the personal insults. I’m neither sad nor bitter – but I’m older and wiser than you, and have been involved in politics one way and another for 60 years, since the days when standards of debate were better than they are now and most politicians had more self-respect, substance and integrity than the present lot of dimwitted troughers – some of whom, we were told on Channel Four News tonight, are returning to their constituencies for the recess from the safe haven of Westminster in near-suicidal mood. Boo-hoo for them.

Have you ever taken any part in an election as a canvasser or active worker? I very much doubt it.

You are a waste of time here and anywhere else, and if you think you are doing your party any good by posting this scurrilous stuff you’d better think again.

Eddie, I suggest you find somewhere else to fling your bile. You’ve already sickened everyone here. Now go “out” again and get rat faced. It will be far more productive than anything you do here.

“if you think you are doing your party any good by posting this scurrilous stuff you’d better think again.”

Well said.

Hi all

Am sitting in the campaign office, having come along yesterday to assist with leafletting. The constituency does seem to be getting quite tired of the election – almost certainly due to the several leaflets per each of the main parties! There is a (quite justifiable) sense from people in their front gardens that Norwich North is aware that the by-election will be used as a national barometer after the expenses scandal – not the mention the deregulatory causes of the financial meltdown.

Incidentally, whilst we saw a few Conservative and Lib Dem posters, we saw very few Labour ones – perhaps two or three. It’s not wholly scientific but this suggests a substantial lack of appetite for endorsing New Labour at this point in time! The only kind words I heard about them were for Ian Gibson personally, with unkind comment passed on how he was treated by the party.

There has been a fantastic enthusiasm amongst the volunteer team and I’m chuffed to have been part of it. Meanwhile my view is that detractors and disparagers here should be ignored – I have tried to reason with them, and suggesting a gentler approach from them, to no avail.

I came from just 160 miles away for this weekend, but some have come as far away as Sweden and California! My effort has been eclipsed

Anticant – I’ve had plenty of experience of election work thanks. Nothing I say here is going to persuade any of you to vote Labour, in fact if you did I think it could be harmful – our appeal has to be to the centre – that is why Blair was so successful. We don’t want the support of nutters and troofers like you (you clearly are sad and bitter, no shame in admitting it)- as it scares decent people away.

Big girl – how is the diet going?

@ Jon

Many thanks for the campaign reports, they illustrate wlel that Craig’s campaign is going like a house on fire. Carrying on burning, all the way to the victory torch parade!

@ Jon

Many thanks for the campaign reports, they illustrate well that Craig’s campaign is going like a house on fire. Carrying on burning, all the way to the victory torch parade!

@ Jon

Many thanks for the campaign reports, they illustrate well that Craig’s campaign is going like a house on fire. Carrying on burning, all the way to the victory torch parade!

Dear Eddie

Can you name an organisation in the UK which publishes on their website, specific people that they have subjected to discrimination in detail?

“Yes, I could find no trace of you at Glasgow, so that is suspicious isn’t it?”

No, sorry not suspicious, it is just that you lack common sense. I think it explains your political connections.

Yours sincerely

George Laird

The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

George – oh I see, victimhood. Not your fault but someone else is to blame for your problems and inadequacies, like most people on this site. Presumably if you have a case you can take it through the usual channels and win, if not you won’t. Employment Tribunals are very accommodating towards aggrieved employees generally. “Human Rights” is a bit far fetched though isn’t it? A Campaign for Human Rights in Afghanistan or Gaza I can understand, but not at a British University. Shouldn’t it be “The Campaign to be nicer to George Laird who is a bit miffed at the way he has been treated”? I was just curious that’s all, nothing sinister involved.

Dear Eddie

“George – oh I see, victimhood. Not your fault but someone else is to blame for your problems and inadequacies, like most people on this site. Presumably if you have a case you can take it through the usual channels and win, if not you won’t. Employment Tribunals are very accommodating towards aggrieved employees generally. “Human Rights” is a bit far fetched though isn’t it? A Campaign for Human Rights in Afghanistan or Gaza I can understand, but not at a British University. Shouldn’t it be “The Campaign to be nicer to George Laird who is a bit miffed at the way he has been treated”? I was just curious that’s all, nothing sinister involved.

I read your crap and you are as others have said, beneath contempt.

Labour is the place for you.

Yours sincerely

George Laird

The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

eddie obviously fancies himself as a psychoanalyst, and I would out him as Derek Draper and claim my £5, except that eddie is far too stupid even to be Derek Draper.

Keep up the good work at the coalface, folks. Make sure as many people as possible in the constituency have heard Craig’s message, even if they don’t vote for him. I’m off to bed now – sad and bitter old men need sweet dreams, you know. Mine will be of Larry Silverstein claiming his dodgy insurance dosh. (Google that, eddie.)

Thanks for your kind thoughts. I’ve just donated £25 to Craig’s campaign and as compensation for my trouble. I know he can’t win but he’s a plucky bugger. All these words are meaningless you know.

So how is Cambridge eddie? Nice weather?

Credit where credit is due. After all, a donation of £25 will pay for the same number of DVDs, which could mean another hundred or so votes for Craig. It all helps.

Weather in Cambridge today is good thanks – horrible yesterday, but hoping for an England win in the Ashes today.

Let us in in on the info Who Is Eddie.

He’s not Damian McBride is he?

do these people know eddie?

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