Another Old Etonian Wanker Calls Me a Liar

by craig on November 8, 2009 1:48 pm in Afghanistan

Rory Stewart is getting the hang of being a Conservative politician; he has plainly learned that the first requirement is to lie through your teeth. Form today’s Independent on Sunday:

Once tutor to Princes William and Harry, Rory Stewart, in his latest incarnation as Conservative prospective candidate for Penrith, has found himself the unlikely subject of intrigue. Craig Murray, renegade former ambassador to Uzbekistan, claims in his blog that Stewart worked as an MI6 officer in Afghanistan. While it’s true Stewart was educated at Eton, received training from the British armed forces, and has yet to marry, the comparisons with James Bond appear to end there. “I’ve never met Craig Murray and I have no idea why he is saying this,” he tells me when I call, “It’s not just false but extremely dangerous. I’ve been doing charity work in countries where people are already at risk and his claims will only endanger them further.” Stewart’s father is even more succinct: “It’s bollocks.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/matthew-bell-the-iiosi-diary-1816838.html

Let me be plain. Rory Stewart was an officer for Torturers’R’Us (formerly trading as MI6).

Now I know many MI6 officers personally and I know the identities of hundreds of them. But I have no intention of “Outing” them and, once retired, I am more than happy for them to tend their roses in Tonbridge Wells in all anonymity. But Stewart has entered politics and, in putting himself forward as a parliamentary candidate, he forfeits his right to conceal his history from the voters.

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67 Comments

  1. “I’ve been doing charity work in countries where people are already at risk”

    Bit of a giveaway.

  2. If Rory Stewart had been an MI6 agent, wouldn’t you be breaking the law by making it known?

  3. Time for another trip to the loony bin I think.

  4. Abe Rene

    Yes. So what?

  5. With each passing day, it gets more and more difficult to tell the Tories, the BNP, and US Republicans apart.

  6. “Time for another trip to the loony bin I think”.

    Off you go then lttle fella. If you’re good you may get Care in the Community in a month or two.

  7. Fortunately the people who found him wandering around Afghanistan at the time of 9/11 in Sewar-Chemise knew very well he was a spy, but hospitality to strangers over-rides other considerations in Islam.

    He did convince himself that he was going undetected for sure, but not here and not now. Thanks Craig.

  8. “Craig Murray, renegade former ambassador to Uzbekistan”

    By inserting the word “renegade” into that sentence goes to show Matthew Bell as not being an honest or informative journalist.

    He should have wrote…

    Craig Murray,former ambassador to Uzbekistan who was sacked for his opposition to the UK governments complicity in torture.

    Now that would have been truthful and informative journalism.

  9. To me, it seems obvious, that Labour are going to be routed at the next election. About the only chance they might have of retaining power, if one supported them, would be to ditch Brown pronto and announce a radical rethink of their Afghanistan policy; meaning vote for Labour and we’ll bring the boys home within six months of the election. Turn the election into a referendum on the war, turn the Tories into the endless war party…

    Now Labour would reap a worldwind from the establishment, pro-American press, but at least they’ed have an issue that clearly seperates them from the Tories; at least they’ed have a chance of remaining in power, given the collapse in public support for America’s war.

    It amazes me how passive the mass of Labour MPs are in the face of electoral suicide. One would imagine they’ed show some semblance of crude self-interest, but their bovine brains seem incapable of even that much sense.

    Obviously the leadership are thinking of new pastures and loyalty to the American Empire is paramount in their minds, but what of the pawns in the parliamentary game?

    I believe this shows that old-fashioned Parliamentary democracy has broken down completely, and we now, more or less, live in de facto one party dictatorship, where ‘democracy’ is a hollow ritual with virtually now real substance or meaning.

  10. Matthew Bell

    8 Nov, 2009 - 4:48 pm

    When the mega-corporation that pays my salary insists on truthful and informative journalism, then you’ll see some.

    Until that day arrives, George Dutton, “the law of supply and demand” will rule, i.e., my employer demands tripe, so I will supply it.

  11. Is that why I don’t have an employer, dzha reckon?

  12. Tory Bear wrote “Time for another trip to the loony bin I think.”

    I think we can detect in that comment another person with no counter-argument and no facts to back up their non-existent argument, so falling back on insults in a desperate attempt to cover the fact. Not unusual for the right wing of the Conservative party, though there are some there who are much more honest than you seem to be.

    Also Craig has never been in the ‘loony bin’ – he did see a psychiatrist after victimisation by the foreign office, who told him he was quite sane and needed a lawyer, not a psychiatrist. So the one “fact” you present in your comment is actually a lie. Not unusual judging from your blog.

    Also show some guts and try coming out from behind the anonymous pseudonym when telling lies about other people mr “Tory Bear”. Craig provides his real name and identity when telling the truth, perhaps you don’t want to because what you’re saying is so blatantly untrue? My name by the way is Duncan McFarlane.

  13. **Stewart’s father is even more succinct: “It’s bollocks.”**

    Now, spare a thought for the unfortunate journalist here. To his credit, in protest at being made to put his name to this drivel, I think he has slipped in a cryptic face-saver. Truly, what credibility does Stewart’s father’s opinion have in the context? What MI* operative tells his daddy what he has been up to? It’s an obvious absurdity. This is the trigger that tells us where the truth is hidden, in plain sight as it so happens — “It’s bollocks”.

    It’s back to the compiling the crossword puzzle for you, Matthew Bell.

  14. Craig, you are really being far too harsh on the poor boy. He is just a poor man’s Fitzroy Maclean.

  15. David Boycott

    8 Nov, 2009 - 9:00 pm

    “MI6 officer denies being MI6 officer” is hardly news is it?

    On the subject of loony bins, who is the half-wit about that thinks that Labour might win an election as the party advocating withdrawal from Afghanistan when it has been in government for twelve years?

  16. I agree with George Dutton. The prospect of a Conservative government is dire for the peace-makers. Those of you that remember the Tory blog – what was it – webCameron if my memory serves me well, of course it was crashed in a jolt of realisation that the British public are not ‘Sheeple’ or are we?

  17. writerman ‘It amazes me how passive the mass of Labour MPs are in the face of electoral suicide.’

    Much like the ministers in the Cabinet meeting which ‘made the decision to go to war with Iraq’ According to Claire Short there was no discussion.

    So who’s really running the show? It obviously isn’t the electorates’ representatives

  18. He gives his own proof:a case of he who denies admits.

  19. “MI6 officer denies being MI6 officer” is hardly news is it?

    What are they going to do about that when they make the biopic of his life? Apparently Brad Pitt has bought the rights.

  20. Craig

    Apart from the risk of going to jail, a readiness to break the law (the OSA, specifically) could be used against you if you ran for public office. Of course, if you do not intend to do so but simply be a political activist, that may be less crucial.

  21. Alfred Burdett

    9 Nov, 2009 - 2:05 am

    Is it not the case that no one truly retires from the spy business — unless at free-fall speed from the seventeenth floor of a U.N. building or in some other such dramatic fashion?

    If so, then if Parliamentary candidate Rory Stewart has indeed been an MI6 officer, he has no option but to lie about it, for to admit otherwise would be to admit that the intelligence services have attempted, clandestinely, to infiltrate Parliament.

    If Murray is lying, Mr. Stewart can sue him for libel. That he has not threatened to do so, seems to confirm Murray’s claim.

    By thus drawing attention to the corruption of Britain’s democratic process, Craig Murray has performed an important public service at the cost of being branded publicly as a liar and a at the risk of possible retributive action.

  22. “the British public are not ‘Sheeple’ or are we?”

    Mark Golding

    “Fallback positions”…

    http://tinyurl.com/yl83p5l

  23. Renegade? You Craig? Sue! Then again you could always accept it as a back-handed compliment insofar as you were right and the others were wrong.

    Anyone who stands for political election should be completely open to scrutiny.

    Seems Rory thought he could wing it.

  24. ohhhh…look at me…my name is craig and i like fabricating conspiracy theories to assuage my own ego. i make a MI6 claim that can’t be substantiated. and then watch as those people squirm because it’s not true and it carries incredible baggage. yes, i like that. i have no soul.

  25. Elliot: Such cutting wit.

  26. To the correspondent above who requested information on the true identity of rabid right-wing loony Conservative blogger Tory Bear:

    His name is Harry Cole.

    You can find a photograph of the grinning buffoon here:

    http://www.sunlight-cops.org.uk/about/

    Yes, he’s one of Guido’s muppets and rather embarrassed at the drivel he writes in his Tory Bear blog, hence the fruitless attempts at anonymity.

    Don’t think he was in MI6, but his eforts at concealment seem almost as risible as Rory’s.

    This information has been brought to you by our operatives in the field. Working for peace and harmony throughout the world, SIS is an equal opportunity torturer. Muslim applicants are especially encouraged to apply.

  27. Had to laugh at this account of Rory’s life, from the New Statesman:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2008/12/stewart-afghanistan-iraq

    They’ve obviously left out the fact that Rory was in MI6 during his travels, but that omission makes the whole adventure rather bizarre, particularly this bit:

    “I decided to get a taxi from Jordan to Baghdad, just me and the taxi driver.” He arrived in Baghdad and immediately reported to the Director of Operations who was pleased to see the eager volunteer told him to go home and await instruction.

    “I wasn’t completely convinced that anything would come of it.” But it did and in August 2003 Stewart found himself the deputy governor of Maysan province in Southern Iraq, with a population of 850,000 people. He was not yet 30.”

    Yeah sure. Just turn up in Baghdad in a taxi and get a job as deputy govenor of an Iraqi province.

    We’ve all done it, eh…

  28. Paul J. Lewis

    9 Nov, 2009 - 9:41 am

    To SIS,

    So is ‘http://www.sunlight-cops.org.uk/about/’ fronting as a independent campaign supporting transparent government? It appears quite genuine at first glance. On second glance the people listed on the About page don’t look like likely candidates for such a project.

    Would be interested in more information on this?

    Paul

  29. Today’s loony bin is far removed from the stigmas of the past. A majority of people, including myself, have a spiritual crisis in their life, in which normal activities become impossible and one’s system is given space to make fundamental, spiritual or conscience, decisions. The decision to follow one’s conscience is not a one-time decision but the start of a path, which in my case led to Islam.

    What happens today when this crisis occurs is that the person is treated with chemicals that literally burn out the parts of the brain that are working over-time. Then happy drugs and a label are applied. Psychologists love labels. What did they do before they invented bi-polar? Don’t they know that brains are all bi-polar by design? The subject is then released into the community having forgotten the spiritual purpose of the crisis, and made content to dwell on the horns of their moral dilemma, subject to continuous medication. Fail to take the medication and the horns will start to screw into the mind. Don’t they know that God blew something of Spirit into Adam when He created him? Don’t they know that the seat of the soul is the heart, not the brain? They can’t medicate the heart, thank God, only the symptoms of distress in the brain.

    The reason why debate about going to war is non-existent in our cabinets, is that our society is even more terrified of addressing spiritual decisions than in previous centuries, and employs super-quacks called psychologists to solve the problem at vast and unnecessary expense. Are they scared of the blood of Iraqis and Afghanis and Gazans on their hands so much, that they have to call people of conscience, loonies? Why don’t they take a lesson from Macbeth and understand that their refusal to recognise their guilt will only serve to increase their murderous crimes?

  30. Craig, my previous father-in-law was a well-respected Old Etonian who flew spitfires and had seen a thing or two.

    Morality is bred out of them and dangerous charm bred into them. But my present father-in-law is the salt of the earth and usually calls a spade a spade without being prompted.

    Nil carborendum…Don’t let the bastards gring you down.

  31. I think it was quite right of Stewart to issue this denial, even though I suspect it is untrue. You have made your point & should let the matter drop. This guy is no Paddy Ashdown.

  32. Ah yes Alan, the advantages of being an Old Etonian!

    Actually I have done all of those things except winning an election – but then thank God I am not a Tory.

  33. I see that the trolls are out in force again. Coincidence?

  34. Dick the Prick

    9 Nov, 2009 - 1:27 pm

    @Craig 11.47 – hmm….I don’t think you can tar Tories as one homogenous group.

    This thread sort of comes to the point if inverted – if he wasn’t MI6 – why the hell not?

  35. Craig. I understand what you are saying but surely you understand ex-spooks are never allowed to ‘either confirm nor deny’ such allegations. Don’t you consider his hands might be tied on this front?

    Much more importantly is the death of Timothy Hampton at the UN in Vienna. Your thoughts on that story would be of interest.

  36. Rory Stewart has been providing some of the most cogent arguments on the need for pulling troops out of Afghanistan and allowing Afghans to become the masters of their own destiny, that can be found in the plethora of commentary on this subject. Read, for instance, his London Review of Books piece, “The Irresistible Illusion” http://www.lrb.co.uk/v31/n13/rory-stewart/the-irresistible-illusion .

    It baffles me why Craig Murray is conducting what has all the markings of a petty personal vendetta against a man who has already accomplished a great deal and may well make a significant contribution to British politics (forget about which party he’s chosen – let’s face it: Tony Blair flushed Labour down the toilet).

    Rather than tarnish Stewart’s reputation, this exercise has done a lot more to make Murray sound like a foolish curmudgeon.

  37. flibbertygibbet

    9 Nov, 2009 - 2:51 pm

    @ Control 1.34pm

    You say:

    “but surely you understand ex-spooks are never allowed to ‘either confirm nor deny’ such allegations. Don’t you consider his hands might be tied on this front?”

    But Mr Stewart has DENIED it!!

    The clue is in his use of the word “false”.

  38. Matthew Bell

    9 Nov, 2009 - 2:57 pm

    Craig – please remove the comment from the person calling themselves Matthew Bell. That was not written by me. Thanks, Matthew

  39. Jack Straw's castle

    9 Nov, 2009 - 3:06 pm

    @ Paul J. Lewis 9:41 AM

    This is one of Guido Fawkes aka Paul Staines operations.

    Staines has almost as colourful a history as Mr Stewart, albeit in a much less official capacity.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Staines

    I suspect he read Hemingway at some stage.

    Staines runs what claims to be a Libertarian blog, but many view as it as a pro-Tory party blog. Plausible deniability, dontchaknow. His blog is registered in one of those dubious Caribbean islands.

    The real question is who is backing Mr Staines.

    Some have suggested Lord Ashcroft, though this has been denied.

  40. Matthew,

    I don’t think anyone thought it was you.

  41. Craig – please remove all comments from the person calling themselves anon. These was not written by me.

    If all other bloggers could please copy, I’d be most grateful

    Thanks, anon

  42. “Torturer’s R Us…”

    Indeed.

    Common knowledge.

  43. Lord Snooty

    9 Nov, 2009 - 4:44 pm

    It’s the Old Etonian bit you’re really cross about, isn’t it, Craig? You don’t really care about the MI6 bit: it’s the fact that he’s a toff that riles you.

    Nasty Rory. Imagine him, at the age of twelve bullying his parents into gving up their taxed income to send him to a public school, thereby alleviating the state sector from having to provide a place to him. I suspect they probably bought that Harvard professorship too, don’t you? What a stinker. Really, it’s too, too horrid to think of. Thank you for exposing him. Now – why don;t you have a pop at another one. That rotter Simon Mann, for example. Oh.. I see you already have…

  44. @ Lord Snooty

    Yours is a curiously confused and irrational piece of work. Not sure Rory would be happy with such a baleful defence.

    Craig has a go at all manner of people, both privately educated and publicly educated, working class and not.

    The only common theme seems to be their control of our lives and interest in public office.

    If you’ve some evidence to the contrary, then please produce it. Otherwise you might consider taking your musings to Mr Dale or Fawkes who seem happy to entertain the tiresome drivellings of playground types such as yourself.

  45. Lord Snat,

    Thanks for the defence, but in fact I do dislike those who inherited misused power more than I dislike those who achieved misused power. Not entirely rational, I know.

  46. anon, are you including yourself in this editorial censorship of all anons? Is it my comments or my name that you object to so strongly? Both? Is that artistically licensed rudeness or just peak? Sorry to cause offence anyway.

  47. Peak as in peak oil, or peak testosterone. Why not just politely say to me – please don’t use my name? Vanity maybe that someone hasn’t heard of your publication.

    What should I use instead please Craig?

  48. How come Stewart has chosen to become a Conservative MP when his view on Afghanistan, a country to which he seems to have devoted many years, are at odds with the view of the Conservative party (according to spokesman Liam Fox). Does it make any sense? Is he an opportunist? I wish I’d gone to his selection primary and had the chance to ask him this question in person.

  49. Craig – Thanks for that clarification.

    I’m afraid the subtleties of your class system much too nuanced for me.

    I expect I’ve been annoying all the right people for years now, totally oblivious to my place in the world.

  50. anon, you have to look beyond the first layer of Rory’s views on Afghanistan to see why he might fit well into the Tories.

    A few quotes from Rory in a rather interesting 2007 exchange with UK ambassador to Afghanistan – Sherard Cowper-Coles:

    “[current policy] is an extravagance we will regret when we need to engage in other countries”

    “We will have to reduce numbers to deal with new crises and do more globally with fewer troops.”

    “We need a strategy, one which is smarter, more honest and more efficient with our resources; one which can be applied to Somalia, Sudan or anywhere else where trouble emerges.”

    This is however leavened with a lot of common sense like:

    “For 40 years, Afghans have witnessed international support roar from feast to famine, from high moral rhetoric to lowest cynicism; from billions of dollars to nothing and back. In the absence of a sustainable policy, we will flee again.”

    http://www.fco.gov.uk/resources/en/pdf/3028909

    Also re MI6: Rory himself was happy to name-drop this into his The Observer profile of 17 May 2009: “He is still surreally well-connected, mentioning an email he has just received from a former head of MI6 asking who will win the Afghan elections”.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/may/17/rory-stewart-afghanistan-traditional-skills

  51. “Rory Stewart is getting the hang of being a Conservative politician; he has plainly learned that the first requirement is to lie through your teeth”.

    Nearly right.

    “Rory Stewart is getting the hang of being a politician; he has plainly learned that the first requirement is to lie through your teeth”.

    There, fixed that for you.

  52. Craig, it’s “Tunbridge Wells”, not “Tonbridge Wells”.

    I’m told that it used to be “Tonbridge Wells”, but that was before even your time, I believe.

    ;)

  53. Such a shame that terms like “loony bin”, are used in such a casual manner. There are no loony bins; there are hospital wards across the globe were people suffer the most dreadful mental pain with minimal relief and usually for life. Most of them would give anything to participate in a debate like this so please lets get away from this stigma attached to mental illness by not using these terms

  54. @Paul Woodward – you seem to be saying that it doesn’t matter which political party you stand for, and that you can do an equal amount of “good” in any of them. But this, surely, is not so. All of them will happily support the role of the charitable sector, or talk about making things better for the poor. But when it comes to the asset-stripping of public services, or refusing to help redistribute wealth in a meaningful way, the politics of fairness versus greed become plain.

    I am sure no mainstream British political party has any policies subscribing to genuine and radical change for the poor. But I would have thought the Tory party, with its emphasis on protecting established wealth and reacting against social change, would not be a good place to start.

    Meanwhile though Blair was a disaster for the Labour party, if they reinstate some internal party democracy, decent MPs who care genuinely for the poor, such as Short and McDonnell, might be permitted to influence (and reverse) policy.

  55. What is this obsession with democracy?

    Blair took democracy to mean post-election dictatorship and Miliband uses the same devious idea. I’m the minister. Democracy has been the one thing which has distinguished dictator Blair from dictator Saddam. By democracy Blair has evaded individual responsibility for the Iraq war, while in the name of democracy Saddam was hung, by a government that is not representative of the majority in the country of Iraq if you take it as a whole.

    Internal democracy would involve listening to other views. Democracy was cancelled by Mrs Thatcher. We are paying the price for her balls-ups then and we will pay the price for her successors’ soon.

  56. Odin's Raven

    10 Nov, 2009 - 4:19 pm

    There is a group of interconnected blogs alleging torture of their own agents by M15 and MI6. http://www.mi5andmi6exposed.blogspot.com/

    and http://www.mi5andmi6exposed3.blogspot.com/

    provide entries to the maze. Much of the story is in the comments. These tales are extremely bizarre and disturbing. They name public figures. The authors appear to be ex-agents seeking to help each other recover from the mind control which was imposed on them by these tortures and strange rituals.

    Perhaps Mr. Murray, or others who know more about intelligence agencies and their masters, would like to comment on how much credence should be given to these stories.

  57. Tonbridge Wells, or Troon? South Ayrshire is where the Scottish ones retire. It has a favourable microclimate, they say. You can spot them by the fact that you can’t spot them. Because of the roses.

  58. This is doing my head in! Who are all these people pretending to be other people? Which of them is the real one? Why is anon allegedly pretending to be anon? Or are there two anons? Are they twins? Is there one Bell, or two? What is what? Who is who? Who am I? Am Im who I say I am. I think, therefore I am… am I?

  59. I even managed – like Gordon Brown, perhaps, tired and in a rush – to type my name wrong, twice! It is me, all three are me. I am three.

  60. I just laughed so hard I nearly choked on my tea.

    Did nobody believe me about Brad Pitt buying the rights to the biopic of Rory Stewart’s life? It’s here

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Stewart

    Extreme bottom before the Notes.

    So is he going to be MI6 in the biopic or not?

    Or is he going to be ‘anon’? Or ‘Bell’?

  61. Craig,

    you have to post a link to a scan of the letter you mentioned in your last post about Rory, saying the government asked you to remove these allegations. That would end this affair. You’ve made your allegations, you’re in fairly deep, now jump in and back them up.

    Please reply to this: – where’s the letter?

    Bogart

  62. @dreoilin – apologies; thought it was exasperated sarcasm. You couldn’t make this stuff up ;-)

  63. Bogart,

    I know that but I’m in Africa and my home computer is in the UK.

  64. Rory Stewart made a comment in an interview recently with the Guardian (I think) in which he said that problem with David Cameron was that he was ‘the wrong kind of Old Etonian’, which is possibly one of the most mystifying statements I’ve ever heard. Is there a right kind?

    There are many places in ‘The Places in Between’ where it sounds like Mr Stewart is terribly sniffy about any kind of foreign involvement in the ‘colonies’ unless it is from privileged polymaths like himself who know how to deal with the natives correctly. He seems to have very low opinions of aid agencies.

    Keep up the good work Mr Murray.

  65. New Statesman it was.

  66. Ok, thanks for the reply. I’m sure I speak for all when I say I look forward to seeing it.

    Bogart

  67. Rory was certainly not working for a Charity in Afghanistan,,,he was well known for pumping INGO workers for info on a Thursday night at the UN bar in Kabul…I know as I met him several times !

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