Spellcheck, Craig? Unless terrorosis is a new word. And meade.

I’ve been watching Sky too, since last night. I’m sitting here in (minor) shock. How can they possibly take themselves – and this story – so seriously?? I keep asking myself if the presenters are acting – hamming it up. But they can’t be. It’s all nutz. And it looks and sounds nutz. And if most of Britain is not laughing at this nonsense, I’ll be staggered.

Made a couple of typo corrections. Though “terrorosis” appears quite a happy accisent – a word ofr irrational fear of terrorism!

In retrospect, I thought “terrorosis” was great!

It’s been a well-publicised airline regulation for some years that any ‘joking’ about bombs or guns or similar would be taken seriously.

If you were a member of airline staff and overheard such a conversation, what would you do?

(That rule must be a real challenge to those with any form of Tourette’s.)

If I overheard the specimen conversation I have outlined, I would take no notice. My guess is that they are under instruction to act on any mention of the word bomb no matter how plainly they are joking.

Apparently Al-Qaida don’t teach their potential bombers in the Yemen not to drink either. Martin Brunt said several times last night that drink was involved.

I had no idea that airline staff sometimes have Tourette’s.

Craig,

I wonder, do you know of any instance where the “terroriss” have stated that they are attacking us because of our way of life, our “values”, or culture and democracy?

I haven’t been able to find a shred of evidence that this is the prime motivation behind “terroriss” atrocities and suicide bombers, but I may be wrong.

As far as I can see they clearly state that what motivates them is a burning desire, a form of revenge, and counterattack, for what they perceive are our attacks, bombings, occupations, and gross interference in the affairs of Muslim countries going back decades. It appears they are so much against “democracy” in itself, but radically opposed to our support for what they see as our imposition and support for corrupt, pro-western dictatorships, that crush the will of the majority of Muslims. Or am I wrong here too?

It’s just staggering that our politicians, journalists, and the ruling elite, are so hooked on “explaining” why we are at “war” on a platform of lies, distortions, and exaggerations. Reminds me of Iraq and WMDs all over again.

How do our leaders get away with, over and over again? After all we are supposed to live in democracies, with an oppostion, and a free and critcal press, dedicated to the truth; so how come this garbage about a threat to our way of life and the reasons behind it are so primative and crass propaganda?

“The authorities are very keen to introduce suspect profiling, to make sure Muslims get worked over.”

Er – which explains why in this incident armed police arrested three middle aged white men who were pissed.

But of course such acts gives the Met the opportunity to parade how seriously they take any potential threat, terrorism ‘experts’ the chance to say how great the Met is, and all parties to say how marvelous it is that anti-terrorism officers arrest white people to!

“Here is a clue for suspect profiling: terrorists don’t tell you about the bomb in advance”.

Ah, but what if the terrorists are *double bluffing*????

I couldn’t find “terrorosis” in your post, so I assume you have edited it out. But actually – what a superb coinage! It would mean “neurosis about terrorism”, and would come in very useful in the present climate of self-indulgent fear.

Sky keep dragging on an old boot called Sally Lievesley, an Aussie by the sounds of it, to up the ante about the ‘authorities’ coming down hard on the likes of these passengers. They are now in custody.

Does anyone know anything about her or her employers?

We must ridicule these war mongers – that is the best way to negate their effect.

I like ‘terrorosis’ too and insist that you reinstate it at once.

I’m posting this link again in case you missed it last time.

“WASHINGTON, DC — Officials in the Obama White House are considering the possibility that the Christmas day attempt by Nigerian terrorist Umar Farouk Mutallab to blow up an airliner about to land in Detroit was deliberately and intentionally facilitated by unnamed networks inside the US intelligence community.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/

Well done, you coined a new term!

I too vote for the re-introduction of the word “terrororis” – maybe put it in quotes and drop an explanation at the bottom. And email it to Bruce Schneier so it becomes a part of the vocabulary to great irritation of those that try to keep the fear factor up..

In 2005, Israyhelli POS, Major General Doron Almog, essapted arrest having being suspected of committing a breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention 1949, which is a criminal offence in the UK under the Geneva Conventions Act 1957.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4237620.stm

It was astounding to me. I had never heard that a plane sitting on a runway in the UK was immune to British law. Which ass was that pulled from?

Strange how this wasn’t the case here with the Emirates plane. I’d like to know why Doron Almog wasn’t arrested.

Lesson: If you want to escape British justice(?) simply be a filthy Israyhelli.

It appears that all terrorists are equal but some are more equal than others.

Israyhelli POS’s aside, The crew did the right thing. What a stupid act of these people on the plane. Pity it affords all these numpty ‘experts’ to be wheeled out. Which reminds me, anyone spot Frank Gardner?

Hi! qJVSts

Silly conspiracy theories, Holocaust denial, other fact denial … this blog serves as continued evidence for how the British Left is now full of dolts and weirdos … no wonder the BNP and Islamic extremism are on the rise, and no wonder David Cameron will be representing the British quite soon.

Larry, if you hate it so much here why don’t you go away. You haven’t got the first idea about anything and certainly fail miserably in your simplisitic judgements about the people who do post here. It’s not the left we have to worry about, it’s the extremist nuts in the neo-con / liberal movement that have put us in this mess. The US / British political classes haven’t seen anything other than right wing lunacy since 1979.

Chris, so you’re telling me that this blog is NOT a cesspool of anti-Semitism and 911 truth nuttery?

No, Larry, he’s saying that you’re a screaming troll calling in from some black-curtained room in Utah or Texas or some other braindead corner of the Amurrican nightmare.

Oh, sorry, just kinda got a bit, um, skittish there. We’re not anti-semitic here, bub; we’re anti-stupid, and anti-weirdo-dolts like Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. Oh, and Nick Griffin and whatever other nutjobs are out there. Which you’d know if you had actually read some of the thoughtful postings made here.

Depends on your view of the world, though, whether its open and enquiring or crippled by tunnel vision.

Mike Cobley,

Once again on this blog, the presentation of a false dichotomy indicates a very simple mind.

Tell me – do you think that thermite was pre-planted in the Towers before the planes hit?

Once again on this blog, the troll finishes with a question, to keep his non-contributions going.

No Larry, its used to weld railway lines together.

This is a free site and everyone gets what he’s asking for, especially you, mein kleiner zwerg.

I join the callers for reinstatement of ‘terrorosis’, what a brilliant, but fiitng faux passe.

Now go forth and serve your Chicago university pals and their GIYUS friends.

“your Chicago university pals and their GIYUS friends”

What does that even mean?

Which Chicago university? Northwestern? Loyola?

Oddly, I’m in Chicago right now.

The comments reflect that the thread took an inevitable swerve when someone claimed that the U.S. intelligence services were behind the Nigerian bomber, and then another person had something or other to say about the “Israyhellis.”

I was responding to that swerve. However, you didn’t seem to object to that, which was my point in the first place.

Ingo,

I just found out what GIYUS is. So – you’re paranoid as to Jews. You seem German-speaking – didn’t you people have enough of anti-Jewish paranoia? Didn’t that lead to you burning Jews, which was, well, wrong?

Hi! SpIQQQuK

Larry, the point you may be missing is that most of us here just want common sense and the same set of rules to be applied to everyone. We don’t like it when a single (possibly deranged) individual fails to blow someone up, and sets off a terrorism scare – but our own nations can invade other people’s countries, kill over a million people, and get nothing but praise.

I have nothing against Jews, Arabs, Germans, Russians, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, atheists, or even military personnel as such. We’re all people, and we all have potential for good – even if many of us need to try harder.

But when I see someone behaving like a cold-blooded killer or a secret policeman out of 1984, I say so. It doesn’t make any difference if it’s a Jew, an Arab… or someone British or American. “By their fruits ye shall know them”.

By the way, I’m a lifetime conservative. And as such, I believe – along with George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, among many others – that we should mind our own business and refrain from poking our nose into foreigners’ business.

“Didn’t that lead to you burning Jews, which was, well, wrong?”

Remind me now, which nation invented napalm (and has used it generously on foreign civilians for over 60 years)? Remember that little Vietnamese girl with her skin hanging off?

Was it the same nation that pioneered the use of nuclear weapons against civilians, burning hundreds of thousands of them to death?

When the Jews are persecuted and oppressed, I support the Jews. But when the Jews persecute and oppress others, I support those others. (Americans, of course, are never persecuted and oppressed – except by their own government, which they don’t seem to mind. So I rarely need to support them).

Hi! RIfaOC

How things have changed. I thought I remembered reading about it… a British Airways pilot was sacked after calling a middle-aged woman “stupid” following her claims there was a bomb on board:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/383339/

@Larry: Hey Larry, if you want to make yourself useful, how should I pronounce St Louis? This isn’t a loaded question, by the way. I just don’t know and would quite like to. Or is your sign a reference to a movie or something?

By the way, in fairness to Larry, there are two or three regular posters on here that believe 9/11 was an inside job etc etc. And there are plenty of general oddballs. But I don’t think I’ve seen any anti-semitism (criticism of Israel, on the other hand, is not hard to find, nor anti-zionism). But Larry, come on son, answer me this: how many unaligned political online communities are there where you won’t find a couple of troofers?

I seem to remember a while back you said you were a lefty. Well, you know, why don’t you just say something about yourself? I don’t mean reveal your identity, stay anonymous by all means, but don’t you want to express yourself a bit? You must visit other sites, and I’m sure you don’t post on them like you do on here. You’d never end up being part of any online community.

By the way, I just scanned your posts and you alleged there was holocaust denial on here. I haven’t seen any of that. If you could find some link it because I’d like to know who it was (not that I’m mod, or that this site is moderated). But because of the way you present yourself online, part of me thinks that the allegation might just be an appalling and callous slander on your part. For whatever reason.

PS – I don’t understand the Chicago university bit either but would like to know.

Tom, you seem to think that I’m a nationalist; I’m not a nationalist. I’m guessing that you’re projecting that.

Perhaps it was wrong of me to single out a German or Austrian (Ingo) for Jew paranoia – out of all of the Jew paranoia in the comments section of this website. Certainly Ingo cannot be blamed for the burning of Jews. I would just think that a German or Austrian grew up in a culture in which the outcome of such paranoia was generally known.

Mmm. Why can’t people believe that thermite was planted or whatever else they believe about 9/11? I don’t, but they can if they want. It doesn’t change a thing, really, does it?

Still, some of the more hysterical reactions to criticism here are silly too. Why should someone not be able to challenge you without being accused of working for the security services? If you don’t like them, why don’t you just ignore them?

I myself think “Israehell” is sloppy and embarrassing shorthand unless it is being used by someone who has visited Gaza, lives in Gaza, or has relatives in Gaza. Otherwise it’s insulting, reductive, facile and self-indulgent. That’s what I think. Of course if any user of the term also says ‘Burmahell’ and ‘Congohell’ and ‘Darfurhell’ and ‘Chinahell’ then they will at least have the merit of consistency.

Hi! DkEXqK

Rob, we pronounce it as in your last name.

@technicolour: “Still, some of the more hysterical reactions to criticism here are silly too. Why should someone not be able to challenge you without being accused of working for the security services?”

Amen. There is a huge amount of paranoia on this site. I’ve been at the receiving end of some of it myself.

@Larry: Larry, you really really intrigue me. “Jew paranoia”? Fascinating. Presumably that could be used to dismiss any criticism of GIYUS at all? Hypothetically. Because what that label does is conflate criticism of GIYUS with anti-semitism. That’s what it does, isn’t it? I mean I think GIYUS subverts the demography of online communities and that’s a bad thing (I don’t think GIYUS has sent anyone here, by the way, I’m not making a paranoid accusation, simply expressing an opinion. But form it’s own admission GIYUS has 40,000+ volunteers who see it as their purpose to go around the internet carpet-bagging. I think this isn’t conducive to public debate. And we know this happens. It happened to the BBC.

Actually, never mind my criticism of GIYUS, does my acceptance that it exists mean I have “jew paranoia”?

Because it doesn’t, does it?

@Rob. Maybe you’d like to check out the thread that Craig Murray put up my honour for the Holocaust denial stuff.

It came up because I recommended that people express a bit of caution about Truther sites, particularly those that celebrate Holocaust deniers.

I’ve just finished with a particularly persistent Ernst Zundel supporter who ended by saying that if I have a problem with Zundel I should at least denounce Israel.

Absolute bollocks – yes, but extremely annoying to us ‘Brits’ who have sat quietly as little teenies listening to Grand-pop telling us about the ARP post and how nanny was saved by a duvet when an exploding ‘doodlebug’ showered flying glass around her. Pock your fear-mongering up ya jacksee I say – we are British and proud of it!

Rob,

The Jew paranoia arrives when I’m accused of working for GIYUS – perhaps I have that wrong; it’s just that I’ve so far been accused of working for the CIA and the BNP and some others, so it appeared that that was an accusation that I was working for this GIYUS thing. As I said, I never heard of GIYUS before, but that 40,000 number sounds a bit rich.

If GIYUS were attacking this blog, wouldn’t they go after all of the former threads here and drop off one or two posts on each one?

It would seem that you simply missed that Ernst Zundel conversation. When that name gets brought up, it’s usually not a good thing.

Just to add, I’ve never seen any ‘holocaust denial’ on this site. Thank goodness, because although it is almost invariably the product of a confused mind, rather than an evil one, it is a very wearing thing to ‘prove’ to someone that the holocaust did happen. The pictures alone.

Hi! idHmeMlR

Larry,

Ha! There IS a massive amount of paranoia on this site. I think my background/motivation has been suspected a bit too on occasion. In fact, as technicolour observed, anybody who doesn’t believe in the 9/11 troof narrative gets accused of being a spook. It’s a shame.

It would, for example, be really good to get some sort of pro-Israel postings on here, or at least some commenters that open and intelligently express an Israeli point of view, but they would probably get drowned out in an instant flaming. Which is a shame, because without dialogue there is no peace. Even the trolling that goes on in these threads is a little metaphorical microcosm of the fucked middle-east.

About GIYUS, no, I don’t think GIYUS have come on here either. From what I understand GIYUS posts are pretty generic and off-the-cuff and they would stand out in this sort of thread. And it’s not like this is a major media website either. I think the 40,000 figure is from their own website.

GIYUS is especially interesting because we might see a lot more of that sort of thing for all sorts of political causes – or it might prove to be self-defeating and short-lived.

And finally, yeah, I did miss the Ernst Zundel thing. I’ll go an look him up. If it’s over then from the sound of things it’s probably best if it stays that way tho’.

Hi! MsVmNyyO

Am just trying to imagine someone speaking in support of the Israeli government, apart from Nick Griffin. I rather wish they wouldn’t, as it would be equally wearing to have to rehash the list of humiliations, murders and terrors they have inflicted. Every time I think of Israel, on the other hand, I think of Yuri Avnery, an Irgun veteran turned Israeli peace activist, and the Shminitsim.

Paranoia:

Well, there’s a spectrum ranging from suspicion to paranoia. Not surprising, really, because things are often not what they seem, or they’re not what they are presented as, eg:

* What the government did to Craig,

* The way the MSM distort things,

* Verified coverups,

* Dishonest justifications for wars,

etc, etc.

Anyone have any idea what the “Hi! (random characters: random URL) postings are all about? Spambot gone loopy, perhaps? None of the URLs lead anywhere. Or is it something more sinister…

GIYUS? Oh you mean Megaphone spyware and http://www.wujs.org active-x – be scared – be very scared!

Mark Golding:

I’d heard of GIYUS / Megaphone – but what do you mean about spyware / ActiveX? Where can I find info?

Sorry Craig, we’re all TOTALLY off-topic here!

Hi! mZeeZz

For what it’s worth, I don’t think there’s any evidence that Megaphone is spyware, and I don’t think it’s anything to be scared about. It’s just annoying and a waste of time.

I don’t know what the active-x fuss is about. I did look up the WUJS though. I pity the poor student whose undergraduate years will be anything like those described and proscribed in the WUJS handbook though (http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf).

And that student’s friends, assuming they manage to make any.

Craig – they have to manufacture conflicts to make money…

IS THE WAR WITH ISLAM ?” A FACT OR A FABRICATION?

Is it true that there is more conflict in the world now than there was prior to World War 11? Or, for that matter during the post- World War 11 era up to the 1990s compared to the last two decades? These are the kinds of issues that should be reflected on, when you consider that Muslims are a billion and more living in many countries, with many different languages. If you think about it, “they” are not a homogenous entity, just as Christians have great diversity. Any analysis that seeks to collapse “them” into one over-simplified package, is ultimately, quite trite in analysis, and incorrect in fact.

When the Soviet Union existed there was raison d’etre for the West to militarise and justify those war expenditure preparations on the basis of a need to fight communism. Now that there is not this state entity to identify as an external threat, other “enemies” have to be found, or invented or amplified.It is in this way that one might better understand all the recent hype about Islam as great enemy. When one considers that the official US propaganda when the then Mujahadin were fighting the proxy war in Afghanistan ( what has been popularized as “Charlie Wilson’s war) there was glowing praise from official US sources for this great world religion. Sensibly so at the time, because the Mujahadin were compatriots who were being used to defeat the Soviets. The world changes, the new invaders are US soldiers, and the propaganda has also to change ?” Islam and the Muslims then become “them” the enemy to fit the new realities.

There are a lot of rotten and inhumane things, done in the name of God that religions have practised for centuries. Aspects of Islam have practices that a “modernist” would discard as primitive. Yet, it cannot be said that all of Islam is stuck in the dark ages. There are extreme groupings across the world, but I, for my part, have not bought into making “them” all ?” a blanket undifferentiated enemy.

My point is that the recent past saw defined conflicts between state actors, and, as I said, with the change from the “cold war” world scenario, and collapse of the Soviet block, the people via mass propaganda are steadily being convinced that the gap left since the collapse of that external military state entity, is being filled by “Islam” as the new external enemy. Thus, the political space left by the cold war ?” is ?” clearly being filled by a lot of manufactured and amplified propaganda ?” as policy makers seek to recycle the cold war thesis with the West being the locus, and the wars are to be justified and continued by reference to the new “enemies” and the military-industrial complex thus can justify (or attempt to) the wars and keep war production going.

If you think through the recent global history, you will begin to understand some of the sources of inventions of causus belli ( the Bay of Tongkin fabrication to start the Vietnam war ?”or- fabricated evidence on WMDs in Iraq, being relatively recent examples) and the expansion of wars thus continue with actual fighting and a base of justification ( if the people are duped into accepting the manufactured reasons).

Cultures can be reconciled, but the minds of people ( be these fundamentalist Christians or fundamentalist Muslims or others) have to have an appreciation of world processes and the base of the conflicts. The thinkers and planners at the Pentagon and the defence industry interests ?” would readily appreciate what I have here written about. I doubt that they would seriously attempt to disagree with me, for they understand the political processes at work. Why should they disagree ?” they are, after all, the ones doing it.

Now, you decide ?” war or peace?

CB ( http://www.globaljusticeonline.com)

Incidentally, that handbook does make for interesting reading. For reference, the link above is to a document titled Hasbara Handbook: Promoting Israel on Campus.

Check out the chapter on point scoring.

“The chances of there being a bomb on an aircraft are small, but the chances of there being TWO bombs are infinitesimal, so to be really safe, you should always take your own bomb, just to be sure…”

Hi! CGvtow

Nice piece Courtenay – yes as Bush Snr said, “We created a monster” and now of course another ‘monster’ has been created to fight the original one. Trouble is the fabric of the current ‘monster’ is formed from lies, deceit, pre-emption, death (Kelly et al) and genocide.

Sorry for being mischievous – it was in the spirit of the thread!

Loved the bit about asking the guy next to the drunk to put plastic handcuffs on him!!!

Mr Dobson said he was “surprised” at being asked by the cabin crew to restrain the man.

“I agreed because I was the one sitting in the aisle seat and he was trapped in next to me.

“They gave me plastic cuffs, which I used. He struggled initially but eventually he calmed down and the police led him away.”

Never sure why they let drunks on planes or allow them to get that drunk.

They have never let me take a couple of six packs and a bottle on vodka on a plane

Laughing at Clark at 8:05 PM. Maybe it’s easy for me – I haven’t flown anywhere since 1999. Long story. But my sons do, and I know they’re as safe on a plane as they are driving to Galway. Safer in fact.

Larry, I have been born well after the culmination of the great unpleasantness and hence I am prejudiced against any nationalistic extremes, its was ‘denazified’ into me by the allies, some who still occupy Germany today and should take their hat and leave.

I am well versed with the numerous wars fought by the latest aborition of empire builders and those who are feeding us fear are of the same make up.

many of todays crooks have been taught by ex nazis, they have swallowed the nationalistic’s by the spoonfull.

I am ooposed to zionists who act like fascists, Larry, not misguided and used jews. BTW. Nick Griffin loves zionists, something of a 180 degree evolution for the BNP, he fits well into the Chicago school of thought. Its a weird world our kids grow up in, were once totally unthought of alliances between fundamentalist right wing christians are in cohouts with fascist zionists.

The attrocities in MyLai, Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua, Honduras, etc.were no different to any of the nazi war crimes, so you have no leg to stand on

Hi! CFviov

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I am both ill and shocked.

Of course I knew about the infiltration, but this is like an expose from within.

Despite my interest in Music, I had never heard of Gilad Atzmon.

I still haven’t listened to his music, but have spent several hours reading what he writes

What he writes is completely shocking.

I still find it hard to believe though.

How the hell did the American and British Political System allow itself to be so infiltrated and controlled?

http://www.gilad.co.uk/in-your-face/

The EVIL of Israel from an Israeli

Tony

“The attrocities in MyLai, Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua, Honduras, etc.were no different to any of the nazi war crimes, so you have no leg to stand on.”

Your grasp of history is a tad tenuous Ingo. There is no crime in the history of the world that can match the Final Solution for its scientific barbarity, and that is an historical fact. And your list is selective. Why not add Saddam’s gassing of the Kurds, or Mao’s 60 million deaths to your list? Perhaps these don’t fit your one eyed view of the world.

“I had never heard of Gilad Atzmon”.

Fabulous saxophonist. Reminiscent of Coltrane in his prime.

Did you hear the one about two arrested passengers, one of whom a stewardess heard shouting to his mate, ‘I said give me the BOURBON, the BONBONS are in the hold!’ Well, it could have worse. He could have been shouting ‘Not for me the rodeo with its YEE-HA! Dash it, I’m into tALL K-I-TES!.’

@….9:19PM: Echelon? Priority rampant indeed. Have you spent your Saturday night setting up a single gag?

Eddie,

that was uncalled for. Ingo was obviously referring to US atrocities.

Dreoilin,

glad I made you laugh. I got that from a Laurie Anderson record.

bKJpMoLi,

you are not the real spambot, and I claim my five pounds!

mike golding said “I say – we are British and proud of it!”

so what makes you proud mike golding-being a race of pirate turned shopkeeprs turned plumbers now-and shouting like a english football hooligan-the most despicable form of subhuman ever lived?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/KD15Dj05.html

Apr 15, 2009

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World leaders miss the target

By Henry C K Liu

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While

Roosevelt appointed secretary of state Cordell Hull, a strong advocate of free trade, to lead the US delegation in 1933 at london , watched over by Raymond Moley, trusted personal representative, the then new president hedged his bets by letting private US bankers, led by internationalist James Warburg, to begin secret negotiations on currency stabilization with European central bankers led by Montagu Norman, the governor of the Bank of England. Hamburg-born Warburg famously told the senate committee on foreign

elations: “We shall have world government, whether or not you like it. The only question is whether world government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”

National sovereignty has since emerged as the only effective defense on the part of weak economies against the predatory internationalism of the strong economies.

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”

Someone’s theory is that about thirty years ago the insiders at Lloyd’s of London were facing bankruptcy because of asbestosis claims and devised “recruit to dilute”, a plan to push the claims onto 34,000 women and foreigners who were encouraged to become “Names”.

Their fraudulent misrepresentations were studiously ignored in the English courts. 51 Tory MPs were amongst the Names who were protected–had they been bankrupted, the government would have fallen.

I believe that when people in business and law (partners in crime) saw what Lloyd’s insiders got away with, the light switched to a permanent green for misconduct. Summing up this human behavior in four words: monkey see, monkey do.”

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28th janaury, 2008.

Lyndon LaRouche’s warning to the Brits that they would not survive the financial collapse is being borne out in spades. In the early stages of this crisis, the Bank of England stood on the sidelines, the creatures of the empire encouraging the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank (ECB) to turn on the monetary spigots. It was the sort of move which earned Britain the nickname “Perfidious Albion”: Let your supposed allies destroy themselves while you hang back and pick up the pieces. Betrayal, honed to a fine art.

========================================================================= How the enlgish race conspired to kill Lincoln in USA.

see this theme

published in The London Times in 1865:

“If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic during the late war in that country, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debt. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”

Lincoln was assassinated in 1865. According to historian W. Cleon Skousen:

“Right after the Civil War there was considerable talk about reviving Lincoln’s brief experiment with the Constitutional monetary system. Had not the European money-trust intervened, it would have no doubt become an established institution.”

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Lincoln won the civil war by ignoring international bankers(controlled by London) and printing his own, interest-free, money.

By April 1862 $449,338,902 of debt free money had been printed and distributed. He said:

“We gave the people of this republic the greatest blessing they ever

had, their own paper money to pay their own debts”.

The Times was incensed. In that same year it wrote:

“If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture,

then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will

pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all

countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe”.

By 2001 there were only 7 nations left without a (Rothschild-controlled) central bank. These were: Afghanistan: Iraq; Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba and Libya.

Note that by 2003 that number was reduced to five. By the end of this year it may be down to three. Note also the extraordinary coincidence between not being in debt to international banksters and being labelled an “axis of evil”.

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It is a little-known slice of history that in the countdown to the Anglo-American coup in Tehran against Mohammed Mosaddeq in 1953, the US Central Intelligence Agency lost nerve just as the Tehran street protests – eerily similar to the recent unrest – were about to be staged, but the British intelligence outpost in Cyprus which coordinated the entire operation held firm, forced the pace and ultimately created a fait accompli for Washington.

At any rate, Tehran is going after Britain – “the most treacherous of foreign powers”, to use Khamenei’s words.

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the Corporation of the City of London, is virtually a self regulating and selfserving parasitic organisation so called this financial center has turned into into a self-regulating state like the Vatican.(ofocurse for the anglosaxon protestants only God is money and nothing else.).

The ruthless advantage-seeking was racheted up around 1980 and it may have been inspired by the fact that insiders in Lloyd’s of London were facing bankruptcy, conspired to offload their losses onto 34,000 foreigners and women and got away with it.

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A perfect example…I watched the show “Reaper” this last year. In one episode the devil is running a company whose business is the corruption of souls. When explaining to his son how his business works, this is his exact quote…

“Did you know, beginning in the late 19th century, corporations were granted all the rights of the individual, but none of the annoying responsibilities. They lack, almost by design, any kind of moral compass, conscience, or compassion. Basically, corporations are a way to enact sociopathic behavior on a grand scale. In short, they’re what makes this country so damn great.” this is what is called so called democracy in entgland-a corportocracy which has been exported all over to the benefit of parasitic english race.

In the USA, sociopathology is a prevalent cultural, economic and political value; it has long been one. It’s a “hereditary trait” from Mother England.

eddie: you could include Stalin’s Gulags. Some reckon they were even worse, not only because of the numbers but because they were not visited and regulated by the IRC.

And now a word from the Larouchites! This is the best blog ever!

Mark – when you say “Trouble is the fabric of the current ‘monster’ is formed from lies, deceit, pre-emption, death (Kelly et al) and genocide.” – that is precisely the process,it is supposed to keep the war machine going. Or – as Martin Luther King observed shortly before he was killed:-

“”… I knew that I could not ever again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greater purveyor of violence in the world: my own government.” Martin Luther King in his “Beyond Vietnam” April 4, 1967 speech.

Avatar singh,

I see a Mike COBLEY, and a MARK Golding, but no MIKE GOLDING. I don’t see either of them claiming to be “proud to be British”.

There’s some interesting stuff in your post, but it’s so LONG! Did you really type all that or is it a cut-and-paste job? How about making your own website, making a brief point, and supplying a link to the details on your own site?

I’m British, but I’m not going to be ashamed about it. I’m not responsible for the wrongs of the British Government or corporations; indeed, I’m frustrated that I can’t do more to stop them.

Larry,

you’ll get used to avatar singh if you plan to visit here regularly. Avatar doesn’t post here often, but sure makes up for that in quantity and vitriol when he does.

MJ, the statement that the IRC “regulated” the Nazi concentration camps is a lie. Take it back. Do not perform what I warn you is the usual trick of quoting one or two incidences at one or two camps in which this is claimed to have happened. Go and look at photographs of Belsen. Go and read Corrie Ten Boom, or the testimony of any Holocaust survivor you care to name. Then tell me that this was “regulated” by the IRC.

Really, I’m ashamed to be having to type this.

I am a frequent flier. If I were to overhear mention of any ‘bomb’ or ‘gun’ or similar whilst we were inside the a/c I would shop that person without second thought.

It’s not a matter of being kept in fear, rather the reverse. It is simply being prudent.

And I’d rather not fly next to an idiot anyway.

Avatar Singh; I know it looks bad, but they did invent cricket Are you fond of any country, by the way?

And because someone’s Jewish and says ‘we’ does that mean they’re talking about all Jews? Because as far as I know my Jewish friends haven’t done much world dominating so far, or indeed, any. I will have to remind them.

As for multi-national corporations, of course they have to go. There’s a cheery song, in fact, called “Dancing on the Ruins of Multi National Corporations’ which you might like to Youtube.

Otherwise, it is so obvious that all semitic people are being set up, again, as Public Enemy Number 1, in one way or another. I don’t see what can be done about it, except to continue not to accept it. Good post, Courtney, thank you.

Barbara, are you joking? You would “shop that person without a second thought”? I suggest you think for a second.

Barbara,

They should have flights for ludicrously nervous people like you, and other flights for the rational among us.

Even if both the shoe bomber and the underpants bomber had succeeded, air travel would still be safer than a mundane car journey.

Barbara,

They should have flights for ludicrously nervous people like you, and other flights for the rational among us.

Even if both the shoe bomber and the underpants bomber had succeeded, air travel would still be safer than a mundane car journey.

As much as I found Bill Maher’s suggestion of founding “Your Own Risk Airlines” which completely dispenses with any security etc… it wouldn’t have helped the people of Lockerbie, for example, when the plane came down on top of them. Nor would it have been amusing to the people of Detroit if the undabomber had detonated his explosives over their city (to say nothing of the passenger’s families).

Barbara’s right that security services have never made light of people joking about bombs on planes or any other transport. Glenn’s link demonstrates this, even though I suspect he provided it to prove the opposite. Most of the commenters there say the pilot was an idiot for the way he handled the situation. She may have been mad as a yoyo but these pre-9/11 comments show that things haven’t changed as much as Glenn seems to think:

“And to say she just did it to get a class upgrade is just pathetic! And in my opinion, he didn’t handle a bomb scare properly. He just went and stormed and said there wasn’t one. How did he know? I mean jeez!”

I believe “Larry from St Louis” was arguing that just because a security firm has an address at Schiphol didn’t meant they were responsible for security for the Detroit flight – and did he say that linking an Israeli security firm was a conspiracy theory?

I think this report from Haaretz shows that Larry was waffling, as ever.

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1141434.html

Avatar Singh quotes: “Did you know, beginning in the late 19th century, corporations were granted all the rights of the individual, but none of the annoying responsibilities.”

As a matter of fact, the headnote of the case (which was something to do with a railroad company vs Santa Clara, if I remember correctly) was written by the clerk of the court, a guy called Bancroft. Again, all from memory, but the point is that the clerk wrote “This court decides that corporations are persons”, or words to that effect, setting a legal interpretation wrt corporations of the 14th amendment (which was actually put in to recognise those who weren’t white – the anti-slavery amendment).

The judge very belatedly denounced the head-note, but it became recognised as precedent. That has given rise to the entire “Corporations are people too!” plea from corporate lawyers and their stooges ever since, allowing corporations the right to lie, plead the 5th, appeal against discrimination (why can’t a supermarket put a franchise in a small village, which already has a baker, vegetable shop, wholesaler etc. etc.? That’s discrimination!) as if they were an ethnic minority. Indeed, corporations – through this fraud – have the full rights of personhood. The right to lie was actually legally recognised when Fox News appealed against reporters who had been sacked for insisting on the truth. Fox News is a person, therefore has free speech rights, and therefore is entitled to lie.

As ever, a major plank of the corporate/right-wing is based on mischievous lies and falsehoods. And yet, after doing this for hundreds of years, they scream and call foul when revolutions finally provide justice (as in France’s long and bloody seek-and-destroy mission for such people when their revolution finally took care of these parasites on society).

Dreoilin,

well done, finding that. I’ve pasted the denial below, from near the end of the comments to Craig’s December 26 post

“Silly Nigerian Man Sets Fire to Own Leg”.

Larry – note well… Things are NOT always as they seem.

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Courtenay Barnett

‘The security at Amsterdam airport is provided by ICTS ( Private Security firm ?” owned by Israeli Ezra Harel – see http://www.icts-int.com/)

- employing many Shin Bet personnel.’

Well, I looked up their website, and they deny that:

http://www.ictseurope.com/

“Important Notice, 28 December 2009

Following the terrorist attack on DL/NW Flight 253 on 25 December 2009 , there have been incorrect reports linking ICTS Europe to the event.

We would like to make it clear that ICTS Europe Holdings B.V. is not connected in any way to the mentioned events. ICTS Europe does not provide any security services, nor any other services, whether directly or indirectly, at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport and is not connected in any way to any of the companies that provide security services at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport.”

Yes, I know ‘they would say that wouldn’t they’ and so on, and I’m probably a government shill/right wing troll etc., but I guess it’d be easy enough to check that out, maybe you or someone else could do that?

Posted by: Tim Budds at December 31, 2009 12:56 PM

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Craig: Who wants to sit next to some drunken white guy making jokes about bombs? Perhaps you are just a little bit over-empathic here.

technicolour: OK, here’s my second thought. . . Yep, I’d shop him. Why wouldn’t you?

@ technicolour.

The words Israyhell and Israyhelli is somewhat appropriate given the mass slaughter, Shoah campaigns, wanton destruction, theft, ethnic cleansing, torture, detention, strangulation, infanticide, starvation, mutilation and organ harvesting that Israyhell does.

If by using the word Israyhell to indicate these evil acts, makes you get embarrassed, what does that say about you?

@ “Lookout Larry”

It was you who are trying to steer this thread to a point where you think you’ve assembled a case for saying “look, it anti-Semitic” and once again hauling 9/11 into it. Oh boy. If it was my post which prompted your latest bout of apologetics (and that of others), then I’m sure you wont succeed.

Why don’t you answer the question why Doron Almog wanted for alleged breaches the Geneva Conventions Act, wasn’t arrested sitting on a plane on a British runway, yet these bomb ‘jokers’ were.

@ technicolour

“all semitic people are being set up, again, as Public Enemy Number 1″ – What’s your understanding of the term Semitic?

I’m with Babs om this one. If I heard what /was/ heard, I’d bring it to the attention of the aircrew too (and not only so that I wouldn’t have to travel such idiots)

I really hate terms like ‘Israehell’ etc. They only make the person who says it feel better, but are totally counter-productive politically. As soon as someone neutral or pro Israel hears such a term they will instantly tune out and assume the speaker is racist or else they will fly off the handle. Both outcomes are useless for those wishing to change the current situation in Israel/Palestine. What’s the point of discourse if you only ever speak to the converted? It also seems quite juvenile, and not witty at all.

Here’s my favourite from yesterday:

“Boston’s Logan International was shut down for half an hour today, due to a ‘suspicious smell’ on or near a Delta plane. The 28 passengers were evacuated (so were the crew members) and the airport shut down.

“The smell? Apparently, de-icing fluid.

“UPDATE: Now we’re hearing that the odor was a “smoke smell” but they still think it came from de-icing fluid.

Anyway, all is back to normal again. Whatever normal is these days … ”

http://tinyurl.com/yf6upz7

That Australian woman “expert” on Sky News who was promoting the idea that passengers in the airport be ‘drafted in’ to help security, by encouraging them to report anything suspicious, could well be encouraging utter mayhem.

The terms Israyhell and Israyhelli remind me of what the tedious and often very stupid American Religious Right do with Obama admin names, prominent Democrats, or the likes of “Gorebull Warming”. As Clark says, it does nothing only alienate and irritate.

Does anyone know what these guys actually SAID on the Emirates plane? The Guardian said (really po-faced) yesterday,

“Armed counter-terrorist officers boarded the Dubai-bound Emirates flight last night after a “verbal threat” was made to air crew at 9.15pm.”

http://tinyurl.com/ybarbrf

and didn’t mention the word alcohol once.

Can we not step back and look at the issue rationally? Why does so much of the “terrorist threat” revolve around aircraft? Would it not be more practical to carry out an attack at some other venue which does not have strict security measures? A football stadium or concert for example.It seems to me it is just scaremongering to keep the War on Terror alive.If there was a real terror threat then we would have lots more incidents.The fact that we dont says to me that it is more the fact that there is less a threat than how efficient are intelligence services are in uncovering them.

Great, so we can now ‘shop’ people to the authorities (to be arrested, jailed, interrogated, possibly beaten up, and potentially lose their jobs) for being drunk, stupid and white, or if we just don’t want to sit next to them on a plane. Barbara, can you not see where this is heading? You are not suggesting that you would ‘shop’ someone because you feared a real threat. Narrow judgemental self-interest masquerading as ‘good’ citizenship and backed by the state – as I’ve said before on this site, the Stasi-esque propaganda is working.

dreoilin re ‘israehell’: well put.

Se

Exactly LeeJ.

Jesus Fricking Christ. If ‘Al Qaeda’ really existed we’d be getting attacked every bloody week! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

IT’S ALL BULLSHIT!!!

FEKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Black Operations Unit of the CIA kicked all of this off with 9/11 and it has been spun ever since. ‘Al Qaeda’ is a CIA fiction perpetuated through the mass media. It has been used to justify the false ‘War On Terror’. The results are twofold.

1. Invade countries and loot them while gaining some strategic global positioning advantage.

2. Bring in more restrictive legislation to control the population at home, just in case they might be brave enough to think for themselves. Now there’s a good joke! ;-0

Any sparse pockets of resistance to our disgusting actions are probably defensive in nature, not linked and certainly not ‘Al Qaeda’. Come on, a 10 year old could figure it out if they thought about it!

Here is the truth. Don’t swallow it. Watch it and think about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ

I sympathise with Craig’ frustration with “security experts” who parade fresh and unnecessary paranoia onto our TV screens. My view is that they subconsciously inculcate themselves with the “be scared, citizen” theme of the military-industrial complex, as making lots of “yes-sir” noises tends to win you work.

That said, I agree with @glow-in-the-dark regarding the saner minds of the security industry, and I too commend Bruce Schneier as a security commentator and author. If readers have not yet come across his book, Beyond Fear, I thoroughly recommend it. One of his key points is that a permanent heightened state of fear of terrorism is counter-productive; people just get used to the new fear level, and are generally not more alert over time, but nevertheless suffer the psychological effects of long-term stress and worry.

LeeJ’s recent point is also covered in the book: if it becomes too hard to bomb an aircraft, then other symbolic places of national pride, such as stadia, would be at risk.

One for Larry,angrisoba and all the other Zio-spooks on this site:

http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/war/118650-why-afghanistan

Aside from their “aviation security” interests the Jooz have got their Hassidic Noahide phalanx:the Lubervitchers.Aside from having their international network of Chabad houses they have enormous sway with the dual-citizen administrators around Obama in Washington.

http:www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/182557

The latest staged underpants attack is another transparent Israeli prod to get the US involved in opening up another front in Yemen.The government is a Zionized/Saudi proxy fighting a guerilla war against its Shia minority.

Yemen was the site for the USS Cole false-flag attack with its unmissable similarity to other Israeli ops like Liberty and Achile Lauro-all blamed on muslims.

The coporate media terrorologists won’t explain any of this.

Yep,the perpetual war we’re in now is no different from all the others down through the centuries:Jew-sponsored.

Barbara, you may not realise there’s a little side effect to you not exercising some common sense when “shopping” someone.

Imagine you just shopped someone with a bad sense of humour, hell, maybe two because most conversations involve two people to start with.

While the police is dealing with the volume of idiots and people with a working sense of humour, the real terrorist happily walks on board with his nether parts stuffed with explosives.

Conclusion: by not thinking (panicking) you just overloaded the one resource which could have kept him off the plane. That is in general the consequence of handling symptoms instead of causes: we take our eye of the ball and waste precious resources.

I go back to my observation about London during the IRA days: the police did their job well, with little harassment of people, and people just got on with their lives. In addition, none of the blasts received that much coverage, another IMMENSE factor in increasing the threat.

Let’s not forget what a terrorist aims for – that’s precisely what you need to deny those people. The problem is that bad news sells newspapers, bad laws, and bad ideas in general.

In short, nothing good comes from panic.

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Incidentally, I suggest you all make sure your virus checkers work. Those frequent “Hi, GHHGju” messages are automatic probes by hacker software to find unprotected comments sections like this one. Please avoid clicking on any of the links in them, you’re likely to hit a virus infection.

@ technicolour

Once again you’ve gone to ridiculous lengths. If people overhear stupid numbskull talk of bringing a bomb onto a plane, it should be brought to the attention of the cabin crew. period.

Throw them off the plane and into a cell for the night to sober up and fine them for the cost of the stupidity. Let them vent their stupidities in their local pub. Drag yourself along to join in the good laugh. It the near exact equivalent of shouting “Fire” in a cinema. Utterly irresponsible and deserving of some kind of punishment.

Why should people (rationally or not) have a proverbial gun put in their mouth for 7 hours in fear that the time has come to say goodbye to their loved ones sitting beside them on the plane? You are very callous.

That you went running to a dictionary to look-up, cut and paste a dictionary definition of “Se

Apostate:

‘Yep,the perpetual war we’re in now is no different from all the others down through the centuries:Jew-sponsored.’

That’s a dangerous comment to make. You should qualify it by stating that we are just talking about a few hundred deranged sickos. Moreover, they are not just from Israel. 99.99% of the Jewish people are just as brainwashed as our own populations and innocent of any wrongdoing in this. I don’t care about the past. I care about the present and the future. Let’s not generalise and turn this into a racial/religious thing. You will just give ammo to the shills.

Gosh, lwtc, in this case you have a very rosy view of British justice (and seemingly an authoritarian reliance on it) for someone who otherwise doesn’t.

A “spoonerism” is where one or more letters at the start of two or more words are swapped to provide new meaning: eg cunning stunt; queer old dean etc. It also implies some kind of thought or wit. “Israehell” is not a spoonerism. I’ve said what I think of it; as have dreolin and CheebaCow. I also find the term Zio-spook redundant, hysterical, insulting and childish, by the way.

How else should I ‘define’ semitic? Make it up, perhaps?

Apostate

‘Yep,the perpetual war we’re in now is no different from all the others down through the centuries:Jew-sponsored.’

That’s completely untrue and really does not help any discussion here.

Jesus, did ‘apostate’ really say ‘Jew sponsored?’ It is really tragic that Muslim fundamentalists are in agreement with the UK’s right wing fundamentalists on this, since the latter would wipe out the former in a second given the chance.I repeat, semitic people, all of them, are being set up, yet again.

Apostate, you foaming weirdo:

“Yemen was the site for the USS Cole false-flag attack with its unmissable similarity to other Israeli ops like Liberty and Achile Lauro-all blamed on muslims.”

This is ridiculous. What similarities do the attacks on the USS Cole, the USS Liberty and the Achille Lauro have? Oh, they were all on water. And…? Nothing else.

“Yep,the perpetual war we’re in now is no different from all the others down through the centuries:Jew-sponsored.”

Well, another example of naked anti-semitism.

I suppose he meant to say “Zionist”, right?

Oh, just read apostate’s post. Hmm. I prescribe a spell on a kibbutz.

Fair enough, Jaded and MJ denounced Apostate’s remark. There’s hope for you two yet. Although Jaded, you could lose the inverted commas when you talk about the Holocaust.

btw angrysoba, you seem to have acted as some kind of psychological emetic. hurrah.

anticant, if you’re reading, do you remember that thread with the chap pretending to be reasonable but actually going on about not having mixed race grandchildren & advocating forced repatriation? hope you are very well, by the way.

angrysoba: I think MS & MJ are different by the way. MJ seems to be suggesting that Nazi concentration camps were monitored by the IRC, on another thread. Next time someone like Griffin comes on, you can deal with him

–> Why wasn’t suspected offender of the Geneva Conventions, Doron Almog, arrested while sitting in a plane stationary on the runway in a British airport, but some drunk idiots sitting on a plane taxiing for takeoff from a British airport were?

Because to do so would be anti-Se

Jaded:

‘You will just give ammo to the shills.’

Sigh, how’s the work going Soba? Good wage this week? Enjoy it while it lasts buddy. Enjoy it while it lasts…

no, because to do so would mean holding our ‘elected representatives’ to account for their crimes; and which politician today will back that? taking it out on some lower class oiks is another matter.

and yet you play straight into their hands by seeing it as some kind of pro semitism! are you really that blinded by the divide and rule propaganda?

and what are these dots in between ‘semitic’? is it some kind of code known only to you and lwtc?

“btw angrysoba, you seem to have acted as some kind of psychological emetic. hurrah.”

Well, I hope you mean that in a good way.

“I think MS & MJ are different by the way.”

Yes, MJ and I are engaged in a pleasant discussion about how his 9/11 “theories” are wrong. MS and I had a brief discussion about how his understanding of Holocaust denial is wrong.

I don’t think either of them are Holocaust deniers…

…speaking of which.

Jaded: “Sigh, how’s the work going Soba? Good wage this week? Enjoy it while it lasts buddy. Enjoy it while it lasts… ”

Don’t tell me. I’ll be one of the first on the scaffold come Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura’s revolution when all you crazed and wild-eyed conspiracists get to do to the shills what you fantasise the New World Order wants to do to you.

As long as my FEMA camp is comfortable for my short stay between the dock and the gallows then whatever.

Agrysoba:

‘Don’t tell me. I’ll be one of the first on the scaffold come Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura’s revolution when all you crazed and wild-eyed conspiracists get to do to the shills what you fantasise the New World Order wants to do to you.

As long as my FEMA camp is comfortable for my short stay between the dock and the gallows then whatever.’

No, it will simply mean getting off your lazy arse to do some real work instead off spreading propaganda and lies from your keyboard. It will probably be a bit of a culture shock to your existence. You are a disgusting, vile little weasel. I actually hope you wake up and see sense before being made redundant for the good of your own ‘being’. To be honest, I don’t hold much hope for you, but who knows… Good luck angrysoba.

For a rational analysis of the “pants bomber” and the impact on airport security I recommend this piece by Lewis Page writing in The Register

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/08/mutallab_comment/

Page is a former SBS (Special Boat Squadron) Bomb disposal expert turned journalist so he really knows what he is talking about.

His conclusion is much the same as Craig’s. The risk from terrorists is minute.

“No, it will simply mean getting off your lazy arse to do some real work instead off spreading propaganda and lies from your keyboard.”

I do plenty of real work. I’m on holiday, so screw you.

“You are a disgusting, vile little weasel.”

And you’re a dung beetle. A dung beetle that all the other dung beetles think smells particularly bad.

This is a bit childish and I would ask if you wouldn’t mind returning to the subject of the thread but I suppose once you’ve uttered, “INSIDE JOB! THE ISRAELHELLIES DID IT!” on just about every thread there isn’t much more analysis you could give is there?

Jaded, you seem to have a confusing, split keyboard personality. You’re not alone, but you seem to be not only quoting yourself, but veering between the reasonable to this:

You are a disgusting, vile little weasel. I actually hope you wake up and see sense before being made redundant for the good of your own ‘being’.

That is is a vile little post, in fact. Note I am not resorting to ad hominem attacks.

Sure thing shillsters… :-0

To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if a shill made the comment by ‘Apostate’ either…

“To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if a shill made the comment by ‘Apostate’ either…”

That would be so shillish!

I find this quite inconsistent:

**–> Why wasn’t suspected offender of the Geneva Conventions, Doron Almog, arrested while sitting in a plane stationary on the runway in a British airport, but some drunk idiots sitting on a plane taxiing for takeoff from a British airport were? <–**

I seem to be alone in thinking it is exemplorary of something

Angrysoba:

‘That would be so shillish!’

Devilishly so…

shill (shl) Slang

n.

One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle.

Huh?

Since joking is illegal, here is an interview (done by a Mr. I.) with an important person called G.B. Please note that any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.

I: You’ve always believed in Values, have you not?

G.B.: Indeed I have.

I: So you still believe in them, after gaining power?

G.B.: Of course. Just different ones, that’s all. But they are still Values!

I: So what is the most important one?

G.B.: Power. You can’t do anything without it. Mine, specifically – after all, I can’t do anything without it.

I: What about starving the Army of resources in Helmand so that they have to pull out defeated?

G.B.: Well, if no-one worships them (as when they pull out in defeat), they are less likely to carry out a military coup and take my power away from me.

I: Ah yes, I see. Very clever.

G.B. Of course I’m very clever. Did you doubt it?

I: Not for a moment, I assure you. But what about giving 50 billion to failing banks?

G.B. Ah, that’s the party interest. Many of our loyal supprters have their savings in those banks.

I: So it’s power again. And what about the national interest?

G.B. What’s this about the SNP? I believe in a fully United Kingdom .. oh sorry, I thought you said Nationalist.

I: No, no, “national interest”. What about it?

G.B.: Well, for example, we have done eveything to reduce waiting lists at hospitals, and will continue to do so.

I: By denying other people treatment.

G.B.: Well, you can’t please everyone.

I: But what about those who get into hospital? The phone exploitation scandal.

G.B. We’re most concerned about that, and will look into it urgently.

I: What about Britain being the libel capital of the world?

G.B. Please refer to my previous answer.

I: What about accomplishing our aims in the Middle East?

G.B.: Please refer to my previous answer.

I: But you will do something?

G.B.: After the election, certainly.

I: Just as you have done in the past.

G.B.: Of course we have. Like I said, we have done eveything to reduce waiting lists at hospitals, and will continue to do so.

I: Sir, that was very well handled, if I may say so

G.B.: Indeed you may. Here’s a dog biscuit for you – it has the White House Seal on it.

I: G.B., thank you very much indeed.

G.B.: Not at all.

“Devilishly so… ”

In fact, looking at Apostate’s comment I almost can’t believe that even anyone who writes here regularly could use “Jooz” and “dual-citizenship” (with its nudge-nudge wink-wink connotations) in all seriousness. As well as the rest.

Almost… but then I look at some of the other comments on hand and it wouldn’t surprise me if it isn’t a parody.

The only problem is, it’s getting more and more difficult to tell the difference.

LOL.

technicolour in his scramble to a dictionary so not to have his potty ideas of anti-Semitism exposed, made a couple of typo’s in the the serch field and got a definition for “emetic”. and made a forced point to use it and show us all how clever he is. Hahahaha. No that’s not true, he’s always known what ‘emetic’ means.

ISRAELHELLIES

“Huh?”

Technicolour, the word “shill” is a word that conspiracy theorists are fond of because it allows them to think they are talking in code. They mean, New World Order agents whose job it is is to argue on forums such as these against their harebrained conspiracy theories. If you expose their illogical theories then the easiest response for them is to accuse you of being part of the conspiracy rather than defend their silly ideas.

Other jargon includes COINTELPRO, disinfo agent etc…

See whereas I am just a bloke on the Internet laughing at Jaded and co. to him I am an agent trying to suppress him, a dissident. It’s a little fantasy of his.

I think he is talking to himself. Easy to do, kiddy stuff really, with multi IP’s…

ISRAELHELLIES… I didn’t see anyone mention ISRAELHELLIES. Another straw man by angrysoba. Although some were rebellious, the Israeli’s were guided by God, and deserve respect. A generally good people methinks – despite the rebels. This current bunch of thugs crooks and criminals trumpeting the Zionist supremacist filth and global usury they use which is destroying the world (Inviting a war upon them by God) are completely different, unless you really do believe this modern day Israyhell is what God wanted it to be and he really allowed the Jews to indulge in usury to the animalistic Goym, but not amongst themselves.

It’s puzzling why atheists aren’t contesting the Zionist claim that they can commit genocide against the Palestinians because of a Biblical right – that is a perception that the Biblical right was before (in their eyes) they killed Jesus and rejected his message, whereupon they broke the covenant with God.

For over 1000 years Christian Europe refused usury. Always wondered by the history books praised the reformation.

it’s all gone mad!

“I didn’t see anyone mention ISRAELHELLIES. Another straw man by angrysoba.”

It was hyperbole. I’m laughing at you.

lwtc: was this not you?

“LOL.

technicolour in his scramble to a dictionary so not to have his potty ideas of anti-Semitism exposed, made a couple of typo’s in the the serch field and got a definition for “emetic”. and made a forced point to use it and show us all how clever he is. Hahahaha. No that’s not true, he’s always known what ‘emetic’ means.

ISRAELHELLIES”

Really, this thread has got silly. Everyone stop insulting each other (or laughing at each other) or else. Or else what, I hear you cry? Or else you will end up frothing at the mouths into a perpetual vacuum; not a happy thought.

@Techni: Seconded.

Off-topic, but would like to refer back to AngrySoba on the quote – “dual-citizenship” (with its nudge-nudge wink-wink connotations). Thanks Angry for clearing up a few things above, but there is a legitimate debate to be had about the concept of dual nationality. I don’t think there’s anything underhand or unspoken about suggesting that dual nationality raises difficult questions of identity and loyalty. I’m not going to read the context in which it was originally made, though, because it was probably wafted about by a nutter.

Various commenters,

PLEASE, just take a few deep breaths and calm down.

I think that the vast majority of visitors to this site wish for a more peaceful world with less acts of violence or attempted violence, whether military or ‘terrorist’.

But things are often not as they first seem. Information is often inaccurate or misleading. We need clear heads to sort stuff out, and all the name-calling and insults just raise pulse rates and make rationality more difficult.

Taking sides DOES NOT HELP. Having ‘sides’ is what makes ‘false flag’ operations possible, and thus makes the consideration of the ‘false flag’ possibility necessary.

If we truly want peace, we each have to start with our own emotional state.

None of us can think of all possible explanations for any given event, so it’s good to have different mind-sets examining things from differing perspectives. We ALL have value here.

———–

Glow-in-the-dark,

I deliberately followed those links, specifically to find out if they led to any malware. Thanks for your concern. I was cautious, and used a non infectable and disposable operating system. So far, they’ve lead to nothing at all, the URL does not get resolved. I shall continue to check them out. But I agree, most users should avoid clicking on them, in case one turns out to be nasty.

I thought ISRAELHELLIES were fruit flavoured sweets you get in little plastic packets .. ah, no, those are JELLY BABIES, sorry..

I’m glad to see that some other comments have come in, calling for calm, while I was typing my own.

It was actually angrysoba at January 10, 2010 1:06 PM who said it. My post refered to the Israelites who do deserve respect as do those fine updatanding Jews who once again participated in the Viva Palestina aid convoy. Here’s a lovely pic…

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/Viva_PalestinaII/George%20Galloway.jpg

Amazing how theres no answer to why suspected criminal Doron Almog wasn’t arrested while sitting in a plane stationary on the runway in a British airport, yet drunk idiots sitting on a plane just about to take off for Dubai were.

Incredible.

lwtc247,

a comment bearing your name at 1:35 does end with ‘ISRAELHELLIES’.

It’s funny how much Muslim hatred and anti-Semitism and conspiracy nuttery pass by on this site without comment, but once someone calls it out, all of a sudden there are multiple calls for people to calm down.

It’s also fun to see presumably non-believing British persons team up with British Muslims who believe that God is on their side.

lwtc: There are lots of answers; the police were too scared; the politicians didn’t want to provoke an international row with an allied government; both in any case are disinclined to arrest the rich and powerful and violent and would far prefer to tackle a couple of drunk commoners. And, on top of that, once the UK starts arresting other people for war crimes, its own government would have to explode with self-contradiction.

Why you persist in believing that this is some kind of pro-semitism rather than sheer selfish pragmatism is beyond me. As are the dots you use in ‘semitic’ and for which I have yet to see an explanation. I am not convinced by your reference to ‘fine, upstanding Jews’. It sounds both patronising and somehow unpleasant.

lwtc247,

regarding the non-arrest of Doron Almog:

‘lets them try again’ at 12:36 suggests that the authorities were avoiding appearing ‘antisemetic’.

And I think Technicolour’s comment at 12:42 concerns this incident, too. Technicolour seems to suggest that it was Doron Almog’s association with a government lead to his protection, whereas the the ‘drunken jokers’ enjoyed no such status.

(My apology, Technicolour, if i’ve misinterpreted your comment).

TIP TO ALL (especially if your pulse is elevated):

Slow down, read back over previous comments.

larry, it is not funny. it is a sad fact of life that some people have been driven mad by propaganda and hatred. if you don’t like it, and who does, deal with it, please.

Hello Larry,

how are you feeling today?

“I think MS & MJ are different by the way”

Correct. The clue is in the second letter. A small but crucial detail.

The Nazi camps were indeed monitored by the IRS, until 1943 at least. My point was that the Gulags didn’t even get a visit.

Demonise me for mentioning it to your hearts’ content if you wish, but please don’t marginalise the suffering of the millions whose stories can never be told.

@Rob:

“Thanks Angry for clearing up a few things above, but there is a legitimate debate to be had about the concept of dual nationality. I don’t think there’s anything underhand or unspoken about suggesting that dual nationality raises difficult questions of identity and loyalty.”

Maybe not universally, sure. But certainly in the context it was meant in a nudge-nudge wink-wink manner.

“As are the dots you use in ‘semitic’ and for which I have yet to see an explanation.”

Technicolour. I don’t think there is anything untoward about the dots you saw in “se mit ic”. The dots are there because you pasted a dictionary definition of the word which shows the syllables and which lwtc6473 copied and pasted in his/her response.

Not surprised by the non-arrest of Doron Almog. Far too much of a political hot potato, and I doubt the police were really prepped for it either.

Pinochet was let go in the end, remember? An al-Meghari was convicted despite the fact he was probably not guilty, and released without appeal on spurious grounds.

The truth is international law is an ideal that is quickly sacrificed for national self-interest whenever the opportunity arises. Nevertheless, the excuse of the British police (“that they feared a gunfight”) is not only clumsily dishonest – it puts the UK constabulary in a particularly bad light.

technicolour, check out your own post at 11:09 AM.

asoba: cheers about the dots; was puzzled.

MJ. Oh God. OK, let’s start. Have you read Corrie Ten Boom? She was held in a Nazi concentration camp. Her family died. No visits from the IRC. No “regulation” (really, that word makes me ill). This is from a reputable site on the Holocaust. What have you got against this view of how the IRC operated?

“The IRC did insist that it be allowed to visit concentration camps, and a delegation did visit the “model ghetto” of Terezin (Theresienstadt). The IRC request came following the receipt of information about the harsh living conditions in the camp.

The IRC requested permission to investigate the situation, but the Germans only agreed to allow the visit nine months after submission of the request. This delay provided time for the Nazis to complete a “beautification” program, designed to fool the delegation into thinking that conditions at Terezin were quite good and that inmates were allowed to live out their lives in relative tranquility.

The visit, which took place on July 23, 1944, was followed by a favorable report on Terezin to the members of the IRC which Jewish organizations protested vigorously, demanding that another delegation visit the camp. Such a visit was not permitted until shortly before the end of the war. In reality, the majority were subsequently deported to Auschwitz where they were murdered.”

You must know that even when a care home in the UK is investigated, the staff know in advance, and change everything to make it look good. You really think the IRC would have been allowed to investigate concentration camps, never mind ‘regulate’ them? Why?

of course from what I read, the gulags were equally terrible, before you say I missed that point.

Rob Lewis:

I also think its legitimate to raise questions about members of government holding dual citizenships. My own view is that there is nothing wrong with individuals holding dual citizenships (I would love an EU passport for work/travel), but this changes when you enter government. At the very least there should be laws requiring members of government to recuse themselves when dealing with issues that are relevant to both states.

Craig:

I have noticed a few times that you blog about an issue that has been big in the UK press but not really reported elsewhere. Any chance you could include a link to the issue when this is the case. As an international reader I occasionally have no idea what you are referring to.

@CheebaCow: your comments on dual nationality reflect my own opinion too. It would do the world a power of good if such measures were universally implemented.

Technicolour, MJ

I don’t _think_ MJ is an apologist for the Nazis. MJ, are you?

I suspect that Nazi apologists have constructed a false case, starting from a few facts. MJ refers to those facts, and becomes falsely tainted.

MJ, did you suggest that the camps were IRC _regulated_? I thought you wrote _monitored_.

Please folks, lets try to find what we have in common.

technicolour: the IRC monitored all the camps in the first couple of years as its own records show. My apologies that the word ‘regulated’ gave offence; I know it’s not quite right. I was referring to the fact that the IRC set down protocols for the treatment of detainees to which the Nazis adhered to some extent at first. Thank you for ackowledging that my point really was about the Gulags. Unlike the Nazi camps so little is said about them these days and one reason for that is that they were not properly documented.

Now it’s ‘monitored’; originally it was ‘regulated: MJ’s original comment was

“eddie: you could include Stalin’s Gulags. Some reckon they were even worse, not only because of the numbers but because they were not visited and regulated by the IRC.”

Monitored, or regulated; someone who has obviously not researched the whole deathly subject throws out statements designed to persuade themselves or others that the concentration camps were not so bad. They were locking people up in concentration camps, MJ. Have you heard of the Final Solution? Have you read about what they did? The forced abortions? The experiments? The genocides? They were mad. Do you think they would have allowed themselves to be monitored or regulated by the IRC?

“I don’t _think_ MJ is an apologist for the Nazis. MJ, are you?”

Absolutely not. One of the vilest, most despicable regimes the planet has ever seen.

I do find it a little odd that one cannot state a simple, well-known and easily verifiable fact about the Nazi camps without having to answer that question.

Once again this blog settles into one particular strain of Holocaust denial. And I really had nothing to do with it – I swear.

MJ: please provide references and witness testimonies to your “simple well-known and easily verifiable fact”. Or, if you would be so kind, otherwise answer the question:

“Do you think they (the Nazis) would have allowed themselves to be monitored or regulated by the IRC?”

No, Mr from St Louis, this blog has not settled into anything. Is there anything positive you’d like to contribute?

@ technicolour.

“I am not convinced by your reference to ‘fine, upstanding Jews’. It sounds both patronising and somehow unpleasant.” Well it certainly shouldn’t have been taken that way, and you are seriously in error if you don’t believe I am being sincere.

Thank you for at least trying to furnish and answer to the question. The ‘not wanting to provoke an incident’ sometimes-said answer is (and no reference to you here) severely two faced given what he was accused of. I suspect the real answer is the British govt doesn’t give a shit about law, international or domestic unless when applied it would work in their favour. We are living in dark times, brought about in part by greed and capitulation to supremacist beliefs.

technicolour: I did say “regulated” at first, as I acknowledge above. You’ll see also that I apologised for it.

“Do you think they would have allowed themselves to be monitored or regulated by the IRC?”

It’s not a question of what I think, it’s a question of what actually happened. And yes, until 1943 they did. According to the IRC anyway.

But I reiterate: my point really really was about the Gulags. I do not wish to diminish the horrors of the Nazi camps, only to give the nameless millions who died in the Gulags some small recognition. No-one can claim a monopoly on suffering.

SEPTEMBER 1, 1939

I sit in one of the dives

On Fifty-second Street

Uncertain and afraid

As the clever hopes expire

Of a low dishonest decade:

Waves of anger and fear

Circulate over the bright

And darkened lands of the earth,

Obsessing our private lives;

The unmentionable odour of death

Offends the September night.

Accurate scholarship can

Unearth the whole offence

From Luther until now

That has driven a culture mad,

Find what occurred at Linz,

What huge imago made

A psychopathic god:

I and the public know

What all schoolchildren learn,

Those to whom evil is done

Do evil in return.

Exiled Thucydides knew

All that a speech can say

About Democracy,

And what dictators do,

The elderly rubbish they talk

To an apathetic grave;

Analysed all in his book,

The enlightenment driven away,

The habit-forming pain,

Mismanagement and grief:

We must suffer them all again.

Into this neutral air

Where blind skyscrapers use

Their full height to proclaim

The strength of Collective Man,

Each language pours its vain

Competitive excuse:

But who can live for long

In an euphoric dream;

Out of the mirror they stare,

Imperialism’s face

And the international wrong.

Faces along the bar

Cling to their average day:

The lights must never go out,

The music must always play,

All the conventions conspire

To make this fort assume

The furniture of home;

Lest we should see where we are,

Lost in a haunted wood,

Children afraid of the night

Who have never been happy or good.

The windiest militant trash

Important Persons shout

Is not so crude as our wish:

What mad Nijinsky wrote

About Diaghilev

Is true of the normal heart;

For the error bred in the bone

Of each woman and each man

Craves what it cannot have,

Not universal love

But to be loved alone.

From the conservative dark

Into the ethical life

The dense commuters come,

Repeating their morning vow;

‘I will be true to the wife,

I’ll concentrate more on my work,’

And helpless governors wake

To resume their compulsory game:

Who can release them now,

Who can reach the dead,

Who can speak for the dumb?

All I have is a voice

To undo the folded lie,

The romantic lie in the brain

Of the sensual man-in-the-street

And the lie of Authority

Whose buildings grope the sky:

There is no such thing as the State

And no one exists alone;

Hunger allows no choice

To the citizen or the police;

We must love one another or die.

Defenseless under the night

Our world in stupor lies;

Yet, dotted everywhere,

Ironic points of light

Flash out wherever the Just

Exchange their messages:

May I, composed like them

Of Eros and of dust,

Beleaguered by the same

Negation and despair,

Show an affirming flame.

One little known fact about the Antebellum South was that some slaveholders treated their slaves very well. In fact, many of them enjoyed a standard of living that was better than that after abolition.

(I just made that up, btw. But I’m sure MJ will stick that arrow in his quiver and pull it out if it suits him politically).

MJ they want you to take the blue pill.

Larry,

I wasn’t being cynical; how ARE you feeling today?

To whoever posted W H Auden,

Thank you.

Amen, Mr Auden.

MJ: our posts crossed. I accept your good intent. Still, your position seems to have changed from the blanket and incomprehensible “Nazi camps were monitored by the IRC” to “the IRC set protocols for camps which the Nazis sometimes adhered to, at least at first”. If you mean, they didn’t kill everyone at once immediately, then yes. Otherwise please provide references for the claim that the camps (including Auschwitz and Belsen) were in any way ‘monitored’ and when.

Apart from the evident fact that no-one has a monopoly on suffering, what is the lesson from the gulags?

lwtc: I take it back, then. And of course most of our modern politicians are two-faced = most of them voted to attack Iraq. It must be hell to live with, though not quite as bad as civil war and bombs.

This is great! On the Guantanamo and Gaza thread, my fellow black-ops shill said: “It’s clear that, from their childhoods, people like MJ are unduly influenced by fictional TV and movies.”

To which I replied: “I know. It’s ironic that we’re told we watch too much TV and are brainwashed by the media yet they derive their entire worldview from movies like the Matrix and fancy themselves as detectives like Poirot.”

Just now, lwtc749 says: “MJ they want you to take the blue pill.”

Guffaw! Guffaw!

Angrysoba,

may I apologise, on behalf of whoever it was, that you were maligned as a black-ops shill? The discussion got very heated, but I think it’s calming down a bit now, and we should see more light and less heat.

Again, asoba I don’t see what’s so funny. I suppose it’s easier to laugh than engage. Lwtc, you’re switching around like a weathervane in a tempest. What do you mean by ‘taking the blue pill’, eh? The blue pill that says yes, the Holocaust really happened? Or what? I guess one might end up laughing hysterically, at that.

clark wrote–”you’ll get used to avatar singh if you plan to visit here regularly. Avatar doesn’t post here often, but sure makes up for that in quantity and vitriol when he does.”

mr. clark, I do write articles myself except those which h=i have mentioned and referenced before. ofocurse i cannot write all those things in5 minutes-so I write and save them and then cut and paste-but things are mine.

as for larouche -he is only one of the persons i give refence of-you forgot to see asia times articles and other articles?

besides larouche is the one who correctly predicted fianncial crisis way back in early 2006 while even in2008 the english press and american press were saying that there would eb no recession. just because larouche correctly identifies the real villain of the peice as english race -the british media makes him villain-but he is hundered percent right.

I am not agasint the english race or jewish race-in fact i think jews have allwoed themsleves to be used a s pawn since the days of war cirminal bastard oliver c rowmwell.

I am agasint the human pest and exploiters which for last 3 00 years has been the english race.

and that enlgish race is behind most of the mischief int he world today now!

i am also agasint the parasitic so calle delite establishment of my country india where an usa agent manmohan singh has been imposed on india though he coukdl nto get himself eelcted even as MP let alone as PM. the west loves him for his undemocratic selection ebcause he is an agent of the wetern interests.

so exploitative indian is a villain too in my view point.that uneellcted manmoahns ingh has let millions of farmers in my country india satrve to death to ho9nour commitments to american orders.

lwtc247,

your reference to THEY (want you to take the blue pill) suggests that you suspect a side, or a team. We have no way of verifying or falsifying this; you may offend people inadvertently.

Technicolour,

I suspect lwtc247 was responding to Larry’s comment.

Larry,

did you like the poem?

blimey Clark, is your second name Kent?

how long have you been posting on this board? I keep going away and losing track of people.

Apostate is spot on!

Boy did you manage to smoke out the Zio-zombies yet again.

As well as wars and revolutions the hand of the Devil’s children hangs darkly over the slave trade.

Beginning with the Khazars who supplied white slaves to the muslims and Turks by the 15th century the Jews dominated the Mediterranean slave trade.It is not generally known that there was a white trade in indentured servants,from Ireland and Scotland especially,in which Dutch Jew-owned ships participated.

Recall that the maniacal puppet of the Jewish bankers known as Cromwell initiated the cycle of colonialism and perpetual war we know today at the behest of his Amsterdam financial backers-the Jewish bankers.

These financial backers set their sights on setting up a central bank in England.Though they had managed to use Cromwell to despatch Charles 1 and sponsor his New Model Army’s Talmudic slaughter throughout Ireland thus making huge profits on the back of the white slave trade in surviving Irish prisoners-when Cromwell died in 1661 the Restoration of Charles II had followed.

The Amsterdam Jewish bankers then instigated a depression in 1674 to speed their intended replacement of the English royal line with that of the House of Nassau.

Too broke to resist in 1677 the British made peace with Holland.Then every Englishman on horseback with some soldiers at his disposal was bribed to back the William and Mary succession.

One key figure who proved remarkably susceptible to the blandishments of the Amsterdam bankers was the Duke of Marlborough.Over the succeeding years he was recipient of £350,000 in bribes from Solomon de Medina and Moses Machado.

By 1694 the Amsterdam bankers had achieved their desired goal.By royal assent the Bank of England and the national debt that goes with it was established.

From the English Revolution the Amsterdam Jewish bankers proceeded to bank-roll the American one.The French Revolution was engineered and channelled by Lord Shelburne’s Hofjuden-financed intelligence network.The goal being to establish the supremacy of the British financial empire and the East India Company and eliminate France’s competitiveness.

By the end of the Napoleonic wars they had been a huge transference of property in France from the ancien regime straight into the coffers of the Rothschilds.The goyim workers and peasants who were promised equality,liberty and fraternity had to make do with crumbs instead.

The Jewish synarchy have been pitting goyim against goyim usually sponsoring both sides to make maximum profit in conflicts pretty much ever since.

The Turkish Revolution 1908

The Bolshevik Revolution 1917

The Two World Wars

Middle East wars since 1948

Korea 1949-53

Vietnam 1964-75

Afghanistan 2001-

Iraq 2003-

Yemen 2010-

Iran 2010-

All these wars were planned and initiated by the unseen hands of Jewish bankers.

With Jewish power now so heavily entrenched to gainsay their lies about this lamentable history is an unforgivable thought crime.

Auden was a decent poet but the fact is that he fucked off to the USA at the start of the war and did sod all to fight fascism. Coward.

Avatar Singh!

Good to hear from you. I’m not ‘Mr Clark’; Clark is my first name. That was a nice, concise comment. Thank you.

Yes, much evil eminates from the UK. I think that many people visit Craig Murray’s site to try to do a little to try to change that.

A point about expression: when someone here criticises, for instance, ‘the Jews’, they are generally urged to distingush between Jews, Zionists, Israelis, etc. Likewise, I would urge you to target your criticism as accurately as you can, for instance ‘The UK Government’ or ‘The UK Media’, rather than ‘The English race’.

I have often felt shame regarding British treatment of India, indeed, shame about the legacy of the British Empire in general. Let us all work for a better future.

Have you read Craig’s book, ‘Murder in Samarkand’? I really felt Craig’s disappointment, as he realised that the government he served was more concerned with it’s own power than helping to improve matters in the world.

Another attack on our civil liberties by NuLabour. The principle of a trial by a jury is wiped out on grounds of cost. That is the ostensible reason given.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/10/trial-without-jury-heathrow-robbery

As I have said before They Thought They Were Free – Milton Mayer.

“Still, your position seems to have changed”

It’s just that a point about the Gulags seems to have been hijacked over a clumsy choice of word. The points about monitoring/regulated/protocols (choose whichever you feel most comfortable with) come from the oft-cited original “Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War”.

“what is the lesson from the gulags?”

Peculiar question. You may recall I was simply adding to eddie’s list of horrors. The Gulags seem to have slipped off the radar, but may well have been the worst of the lot. Unlike the Nazi camps, which have at least been exposed and documented, the victims of the Gulags remain voiceless and unheard. There is scant means of closure for families and survivors. You clearly find clumsy word choice of greater concern.

larry, chicago university was known to have produced the leading lights of neo conservatives we are suffering under today.

Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and wilson were pushed into designing cold war philospohical support for Paul Nitze and Dean Acheson, the designers of US cold war policies, by Wohlstetter and their philosphical teacher Leo Strauss, both teaching at Chicago university.

The latter was a german jew who emigrated in 1931,he was betwixed and between about zionismn and atheism, he was a supporter of Jabotisnkis brand of zionism and a supporter of Heideggers philosohical support for Hitler. That was reflected in Wolfowitz’s support for Ariel Sharon campaign against the Palestinians.

He was centrally involved in the design of the Project for a new American century as well as the full spectrum dominance military policies underlining the war on terror today.

Thats the rightwing Straussian school of thought, which has impregnated american foreign policy since the late 1950′s and it happened in the windy City.

you were asking.

If you are not a member of GIYUS, I apologise profusely, that does not mean I like your posts.

Eddie,

chill out, mate! Same could have been said of Einstein. But then ideas can help too, can’t they?

Technicolour,

I wish it was! Dunno, I’ve been coming here a couple of years, I think. I’ve learned a lot here. I don’t like it when it descends into a futile argument. It’s so easy for it all to go wrong, people will type things at eachother that they’d never say to someone in the same room as them.

Steelback,

do you know anyone who is Jewish? Do you have any Jewish friends?

I suppose, pace Steelback and Avatar Singh, that everyone will soon have a reason to be beastly about everyone else. Or no-one will. I prefer the latter. Still, people like Steelback, with their unreasoning, unthinking splurges against Jewish people make me again say: semitic people are being set up.

MJ: apart from the IRC complaining that they weren’t let into camps, I can’t find anything which suggests that the Nazi concentration camps were in any way ‘monitored’. For the third time *please supply references*.

You say the gulags weren’t documented. Have you read Solzehnitsyn?

Technicolour,

ahh, we have about 1400 grams of grey sludge with which we try to make sense of all the Universe and Nature, including human motivation. So we take shorcuts. We learn some thing about the world, and magnify it into a broad explanation. And all our shorcuts are different, so we come on here and slag eachother off for being ‘wrong’. Ho hum.

Steelback,

I really was asking a personal question. How do YOU feel about Jewish people?

New Labour are the cause and the symptom of our disease in the UK indeed, Craig. Not for long, though. ‘Gunner’ Brown walks on ever thinner ice:

http://neoclassics.blogspot.com

New Labour are the cause and the symptom of our disease in the UK indeed, Craig. Not for long, though. ‘Gunner’ Brown walks on ever thinner ice:

http://neoclassics.blogspot.com

yes, and my grey sludge is boggling. it would be ok if people, when distributing random hatred, said ‘i believe this because – i have been told this/researched it/ talked to other people/ experienced it / feel it in my soul’. but so often, they don’t.

never mind. in my world order zey will have to explain themselves! hah ha!

Sorry, have to get back to work.X

Cherio Technicolour, enjoy your work.

RIGHT, YOU LOT!…

What a large number of posts today since I looked yesterday. Everybody is presumably like me in snowed up ungritted roads with icy pavements and a bit stir crazy.

For the first time in 30 years Surrey County Council have only gritted the A roads and have left ones like mine, although it leads into and out of the town, untouched. Even a hilly road leading up to a hospital is being used as a sledge run. Welcome to NuLabour’s Banana Republic not that Dave’s lot would do any better. Surrey CC and the local council are Conservative controlled.

Mary,

yeah, I was suspecting that people were snowed in, too.

I wonder why the grit/salt ran out? Surely the stuff isn’t expensive. Maybe it’s expensive to keep it under cover.

Money seems to have become an end unto itself. I think that the point of money should be to improve the quality of life.

Here in Chelmsford, the access road to Broomfield Hospital got closed last week. Still, there seems to have been a bit of a thaw today.

Mary, ok, I should be working but I heard a joke in the market when I made it out (yes!) yesterday:

Shivering fruit seller (to mate): Someone told me they saw Elvis driving a gritting truck yesterday.(pause). Course I didn’t believe him. I mean who’s seen a gritting truck at this time of year?

I believe in the ‘old days’ there used to be a pile of salt at the end of each street, and (shock) people used to be able to ‘help’ grit the roads themselves. Never mind ‘divide and conquer’; how about ‘disempower and infantilise’?

Clark, have fun!

Yes, I remember the salt bins. There may even still be some, I feel sure I’ve seen one more recently. A dose of self help woud certainly be a fine thing.

Rules and regulations. Pah. A friends 12 year old son almost got arrested by the ‘Community’ Police last week for ‘throwing a snowball at a parked car’. His dad said ‘bring him home, please’, they said they couldn’t, ‘cos his dad lives in the wrong part of the town. It’s all of three miles.

‘Nevertheless, the excuse of the British police (“that they feared a gunfight”) is not only clumsily dishonest – it puts the UK constabulary in a particularly bad light.’

Ha ha. Brilliant excuse.

Mary I agree with you – trials without a jury are a gross restriction of our rights. I understand that they can take place where “there is evidence of a real and present danger that jury tampering would take place” and where any steps taken to prevent it, such as police protection for jurors, would not be effective.

However, surely it is fairly easy for government agencies to become involved in jury tampering so that case has to go to trial without a jury. If the government wanted to influence a trial how easy it will be for them. In cases I know of, judges particularly appeal court judges, bring in verdicts to hide illegal government activities. These cases involve carousel and excise fraud.

And look at the Lockerbie trial, who were the judges working for? Justice or the government?

Fuck Me.

I post a link to a sax player’s website

http://www.gilad.co.uk/in-your-face/

And its like wasps to a honeypot.

Incidentally, I thought that was one of Avatagh_Singh’s more sensible posts, and whilst LaRouche does come out with some competely insane stuff having now switched his focus of attack from the Jews to The British, he did predict the financial crash at least a year before anyone else, and also has some other sensible ideas amongst his lunacy – and considering he is well over 80 – he makes far more sense than most current US & UK Politicians.

If you think it sensible that MOST US & UK Politicians receive vast sums of money from a foreign country be it Russia, China, New Zealand, Morocco or even becomes FRIENDS OF ISRAEL, then you are fucking barmy – or you are a Friend of Israel and On The Their Payroll.

Come on Wasps, I will go and get my Electric Wasp Zapper.

Tony

Tony_opmoc,

yes, that was a decent comment from Avatar Singh. I criticised it because (1) it was unfortunate timing, with Larry just waiting for any ‘NWO / Conspiracy’ weirdness, (2) there is no ‘Mike Golding’ here, (3) nobody claimed to be ‘proud to be British’ and (4) racism against the English is still racism.

Yeah, it was all completely mad here for a bit!

Steelback seems to be the only Jew-wise guy here.

Jew-wise means able to cut through the web of deceit and disinformation the Jewish corporate media have spun.

Where there’s money to be made from war and revolution you will always find Jews.They plan and instigate conflicts over centuries.

In fact they are world-beaters:

http://judicial.biz/JB.Campbell.htm

Wise up you saps!

hey apostate, do you really believe this, or are you just trying to tarnish this site? I think it’s OK, mind you, though I wouldn’t let you look after my children, either way.

Has it occurred to you that ‘they’ refer to an awful lot of people, beside people who happen to be Jewish? Is it very important for you to be able to identify one group for hate?

Where do they come from, these people? And why do they come here?

“Where there’s money to be made from war and revolution you will always find Jews.They plan and instigate conflicts over centuries.”

Not worth a response. Piss off.

Press Conference from the Ministry for Fair Distribution

Spokesperson: We regret that the salt used for making roads safe is now in short supply, and therefore will be restricted to those who are vitally important to the nations’ well being.

Reporter: Who are those? Doctors? Nurses? Teachers?

S: No, no. We meant the PM, the Foreign Secretary, the Minister of Justice, and those with an unblemished record in the Whip’s Office.

R: So Hoon and Hewitt have to slip and fall like the rest of us?

S: Sadly, yes. We sincerely hope they will repent.

R: But what about the rest of us? We will fall and there will be queues at hospitals.

S: Not to worry. The hospitals have mechanisms in place to reduce the waiting lists.

R: How?

S: Send the wrong ones home with a pain killer.

R: You realise you’ve had it, come the summer?

S: You are a Tory propagandist, aren’t you? Come on, you are working for a dirty lying rag like the Sun.

R: What’s that got to do with it?

S: They are traitors. We’ll give them no more free passes to party conferences.

R: But if they found out about TB’s expenses, they could drop a bombshell – oops!

Constable: POLICE! YOU’RE UNDER ARREST! PREVENTION OF TERORISM ACT! SHURRUP AND DOWN ON THE FLOOR. (Bundles him out)

S: That was well done, Constable.

C: Thank you Ma’am. Glad to be of service. Evening all!

Rob: “Where do they come from, these people? Why do they post here?”

Maybe because ‘they’ (we?) are reaching out? Hatred is no fun. I have yet to meet a happy fundamentalist of any description.

I recommend Screenwipe on BBC iplayer, for the ‘Noel Edmonds’ HQ’ on Sky extracts, to anyone.

Cos I’m bored, cos I’ve got some horrible bug, that seems to be turning from wanting to throw up to flu, which means that drinking alcohol does not appeal here is a list of some stuff that I believe is/true false from the top of my head

1. I no longer think the Americans landed on the moon, though I did until about 8 years ago

2. I no longer think Jesus Christ actually existed as a real live human being though I did until about 6 years ago.

3. I no longer believe that the planet is warming, though I did until about 5 years ago.

4. I no longer dismiss the idea that a powerful elite is trying to form a World Government that will be a total dictatorship, though I did until about 2 years ago.

5. I now believe that a powerful elite is trying to form a World Government, but no longer think they will be successful but I did until about 1 month ago

6. I think there will be massive change on a World Wide scale in 2010, and it will be like a social/political tornado/ultra hurricane largely focused in the USA. This will be extremely horrible for a few months, but after the storm there will be peace and things will start to improve

7. I used to think Tony Blair was a good Prime minister until about 8 years ago. I now think he will stand Trial for War Crimes Against Humanity sometime within the next 5 years

8. I never thought Bearded Muslims did 9/11 – even on day 1. I became totally convinced that the Official US Government Story about 9/11 was impossible about 8 years ago.

9. I never thought the British were responsible for 9/11, though it seems the BBC and other elements within the British Intelligence and Media knew about it in advance – because they were exceedingly fast with the propaganda – The BBC indeed so ultra fast they were coming out with some elements before they happenned. However, apart from that I have only ever found one reference to any possible UK involvement which was when someone posted on an obscure wensite that they saw a highly unusual British Military vehicle on one TV report shown only once being used for the clean-up at the Pentagon.

10. Whilst I still do not know where the ultimate idea and responsibility came from for 9/11, until yesterday, I thought any Israeli involvement would be as a subcontractor – but I read something which made me doubt that.

11. Until about 6 years ago, I knew absolutely nothing whatsoever about the USS Liberty.

12. Until yesterday, I knew absolutely nothing about the USS Cole – but then I looked at the photographs, and I thought – well is the official story credible? Obviously it was not an inside job, otherwise the blast would have gone out not in – it looked like a missile job to me. I mean if a bunch of Arabs row a boat up to the side of one of the most sophisticated war ships that the US Navy has and light the blue touch paper – well not only will an American sailor man say – hey mate what yer doing with that boat – I can’t see any prostitutes on board – and also if you let a big bang like that off from a rowing boat it is more likely to have the same effect as the Nigerian achieved – and the Arabs would have burnt their balls…So I think Madsen’s explanation is far more likely that an Israeli pop up did it – or pop something from an Israeli sub. By the way – I think some people on this site maybe posting naughty stuff so make sure your PC is wearing a condom.

Tony

Good list tony but what changed your mind a month ago in point 5?

What Steelback presumably meant to write, several times, is “Zionist”, right? Or “usury”…

Technicolour: “Again, asoba I don’t see what’s so funny. I suppose it’s easier to laugh than engage. Lwtc, you’re switching around like a weathervane in a tempest. What do you mean by ‘taking the blue pill’, eh? The blue pill that says yes, the Holocaust really happened? Or what? I guess one might end up laughing hysterically, at that.”

Technicolour, I didn’t think lwtc749 was talking about the Holocaust. I think he’s saying to MJ, don’t listen to them usurious Zionist black-ops shills (i.e Larry and I). At least that was my interpretation.

Also, I’m going to stick up for a MJ a little bit here and say that he’s technically correct, I think, about the IRC visits although his conclusion is rather silly if he’s trying to say the Gulags were objectively worse than the extermination camps in the Holocaust. Even if he’s trying to say that they’re just as bad as the extermination camps then it is also a bit silly.

As I say, MJ is probably technically correct but it is one plank used by a number of Holocaust deniers to show a spurious equivalence between the Nazis and the Allies. Fortunately no one has gone down that route…yet.

Tony, that is an interesting list.

Can you tell me what the government puts in the water to make the rainbows colourful?

MJ,

Its politically incorrect to say what changed my mind on point 5, because point 5 forms a core basis of most of the discussion websites I am interested in which are mainly of a liberal / left of centre political basis – like this one.

Most people who believe in the same kind of things I do for example wear save the planet T-shirts and point 5 tends to be largely championed by political thinking I am largeley opposed to – so I find it a bit difficult…

But its not a left vs right thing, yet most people really are quite tribal and want to conform to whatever the majority view is of their tribe…

Point 5 is climategate – and some of my thoughts about it are said by this Australian scientist

assassinationscience.com/climategate/cg.pdf

Most people still don’t get it or even know about it…

But I believe the real ultimate focus for World Government was Copenhagen, which because of the revelations descended into farce, and the farce is not going to go away, because the fundamental basis of our civilisation is based on science not religion nor lies.

Now I realise that trying to change the long held beliefs of anyone is extremly difficult, because that is the way that humans are…

So the Global Warmers will continue to believe that CO2 is a pollutant, and is responsible for Global Warming.

But that really doesn’t matter, because they have already lost the argument and are being laughed at, by much stronger forces.

All 3 main UK political parties are religiously commited to this farce, which will help destroy them…

You see Global Warming, W/Bankers, Financial Collapse, 9/11 and World Government really are all linked together…

Sorry if I sound like Alex Jones, but I disagree with some of his views too…

However, there is not much I can disagree with this

Fall of the Republic

youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

Its well worth watching

And

Zeitgeist

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

We need a new broom to sweep away the nonsense, and think about what we really want to achieve on this planet, for all life – including the poorest of human beings by finding out the truth about things for ourselves and resolving some of the problems for ourselves rather than waiting to be told what to do. Some kids are really good at this

procedo.org.uk

If our governments and our political parties are corrupt liars, then go to the police and ask them to prosecute them.

The police are as pissed off as the rest of us. They know that they have idiotic Common Purpose Psychokiller Loony Bureaucrats in control of them telling them to round up more teenagers to collect their DNA and they are fucking bored with it and would rather catch some real criminals like they used to do.

Well – present evidence to them about the criminals in government

Tony

“one plank used by a number of Holocaust deniers”

Oh please. I am not a “denier”. Nor am I trying to draw any equivalence between the Nazis and Allies. I’m making no political point whatsoever. I’m simply drawing attention to the horrors of the Gulags, which I feel deserve a mention in any roll-call of systematic persecution and suffering.

“Point 5 is climategate”

Yes of course. Perhaps also the derisory take up of the swine flu jab? Perhaps we’re not so bovine after all.

“You see Global Warming, W/Bankers, Financial Collapse, 9/11 and World Government really are all linked together…”

I agree. The controlled demolition of everything we take for granted.

MJ,

I rarely post on UK websites now, because – well about 3 years ago, they ended up getting swamped by agents working for The Israeli Ministry of Information. The result was an incessant deluge of crap – making discussion almost impossible of any rational point especially about 9/11.

Why exactly are they so defensive?

No you can’t say that.

So I post now mainly in America where people are much more polite and receptive. A bit like the Internet was in the UK 12-15 years ago when people used their real names and email addresses and even home phone numbers.

Tony

angrysoba,

The best tap water in the world in my experience comes from Oldham – but even where I live now (no it doesn’t come from the Thames which has already been drunk and pissed through multiple guts by the time that it reaches the City of London) is far better than bottled water…

What do you reckon to the Israeli sax player?

http://www.gilad.co.uk/in-your-face/

I’ve only watched the top 3 videos so far.

But I reckon he can probably play too as well as write and speak.

He says the heckling and death threats have stopped now, cos he embarrassed the cunts.

I like people with courage, and I like Sax when it is played brilliantly.

Tony

Angrysoba,

I did try asking Steelback how he felt towards Jewish people, but so far he hasn’t answered. Can’t imagine why…

Angrysoba, and tony_opmoc,

I’m not sure quite how you come to be so sure of things. It’s easier for me to verify, say, the speed of light for myself than, for instance, events on 911. It’s a case of whether I can gather convincing evidence myself, or if I’m dependent upon others who might have interfered.

In the end, it’s best not to argue too aggressively. It just makes us all look bad, and it’s not that important. We may disagree on precisely WHO was involved in 911, but I expect that on the more important matter of SHOULD they have done it, we all think not.

Divide and conquer. Always the tool of the oppressor.

“Oh please. I am not a “denier”. Nor am I trying to draw any equivalence between the Nazis and Allies. I’m making no political point whatsoever. I’m simply drawing attention to the horrors of the Gulags, which I feel deserve a mention in any roll-call of systematic persecution and suffering. ”

MJ, I know you are not a denier.

I am, however, pointing out that you may hear those who are bring up the IRC thing.

I absolutely agree that the Gulags tend to get less exposure than they should.

(BTW please check my latest 9/11 post).

Tony,

Gilad Atzmon is probably one of the most consistent recycler of anti-semitic myths that is writing today. I’m sure he’s a great saxophone player and all that, and if he is I wish he stuck to it because instead he makes barking mad comments about how the Protocols of the Elders of Zion may as well be true.

Essentially, Steelback and Apostate could both be handles of Gilad Atzmon that’s exactly how anti-semitic some of his scribblings are.

angrysoba,

It is completely obvious that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a complete load of nonsense and the Khazars, not only are not the chosen people, but have spent their entire existence since they adopted the Jewish Religion about 1300 years ago whilst living somewhere south of Russia and North East of Greece have pissed off Nearly Everyone

It is quite clear that God’s Chosen People come from Oldham in Lancashire

Cos we Get On With Everyone – Even Scousers

Tony

Clark,

I appreciate the effort you put in to create a more civil atmosphere but it shouldn’t be too surprising when people get hot under the collar discussing stuff like this.

How can I be sure?

Well, the truth is I cannot be SURE and nobody can. But before you say, “Ah well, doesn’t that make Tony and MJ’s positions just as likely as yours?” the answer is, “No”.

Many of these 9/11 conspiracies took off from highly speculative theorizing that had no basis in fact. Michael Ruppert seems to have argued that no evidence was necessary, only an a priori “cui bono” reasoning. This is just silly. Thierry Meyssan, who began with his theory about the Pentagon apparently deliberately butchered quotes of witnesses to fit a pre-determined theory. Since then “theories” have mushroomed around complete misrepresentations of the facts and yet such things have convinced some people that the simple presence of facts they can’t explain points to one incontrovertible conclusion.

Essentially I have found all the reasoning and methodology and “evidence” of the 9/11 Truthers to be faulty. It doesn’t make sense to believe something on the basis of faulty reasoning and methodology.

“the Khazars, not only are not the chosen people, but have spent their entire existence since they adopted the Jewish Religion about 1300 years ago whilst living somewhere south of Russia and North East of Greece have pissed off Nearly Everyone”

*eyeroll*

Oh and Tony, I don’t really care about “Moon Landing Denial” but have a look at these pictures:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/01/images_from_the_lunar_reconnai.html

Angrysoba,

you and MJ had one of the best discussions of the shreds of evidence left over from 911 that I’ve encountered so far, and I’m still not convinced one way or the other. Or the other, or the other or the other; let’s face it, the possibilities are legion. In fact, I’ve given up trying to decide.

It’s just too emotive a subject. My emotions were in turmoil that day, and again some years later when I first encountered the alternative theories.

But what’s BEST rather than what’s TRUE is usually easier to decide.

If Muslim extremists did it, it’s still best not to fear or hate all Muslims, or invade their countries.

If an elite American cabal did it, it’s still best not to hate Americans.

Same with climate change. Even if it isn’t caused by fossil fuel use, it’s still best to wean ourselves off the stuff, if only so we don’t have to dominate people unlucky enough to live above the oil fields.

angrysoba,

I got bored shitless with 9/11 about 3 years ago, and have never been to a 9/11 Truther Meeting, though I did go to a Music Festival about 3 or 4 years ago Eastern Haze – somewhere not far from the CRU – though it was in Suffolk Not Norfolk

And There Was a 9/11 Truth Tent, that absolutely no one was interested in.

They were far more interested in Free Food That The Hare Krishnas were giving away…

I mean why listen to Annie McMahon or whatever she is called – yes she did turn up – so the stoned bloke said – so I said what about her boyfriend the MI5 bloke.. He said – No – David Shayler – I think he turned into a fairy instead whilst watching Nic Turner’s Sax Version of Hawkwind

I said – You should have asked Dave Brock to turn up instead.

Meanwhile, if you think I am an anti-semite, my mate who is between houses and will be staying with us for a bit while we look after his stuff is not a vegetarian.

He has got incredibly white skin though and has told us he will not eat pork.

Now I couldn’t give a shit whether or not he is Jewish. I have never asked him. Maybe he just doesn’t like pork.

He has never tried to convert me, and he pulls some seriously brilliant talent.

Tony

Tony_opmoc,

did you ever see a dance-music series called ‘The Trip’? It was on 5 or Channel4, I can’t remember. Back to back music, no commentary. All the visuals were compiled from space exploration footage.

It was the astronaut falling over on the moon that convinced me it was real. It looked so funny; he was just so obviously out of his element, gravitationally speaking. He was trying to compensate and not fall, but he just couldn’t get it right. I mean, OK, it’s not proof, but it was convincing.

“Meanwhile, if you think I am an anti-semite, my mate who is between houses and will be staying with us for a bit while we look after his stuff is not a vegetarian.”

No, Tony. You asked me what I think of Gilad Atzmon and I gave my response to that.

“If Muslim extremists did it, it’s still best not to fear or hate all Muslims, or invade their countries.”

Well, this is exactly why many of the most prominent debunkers of this theory are on the left.

They see 9/11 Truth as something that discredits the left and the anti-war crowd. Especially when someone who says, “9/11 was not an inside job!” gets immediately accused of being Bush supporters or working for the New World Order.

Angrysoba,

you’ve chilled out a lot; maybe you’d like to change your screen name now…

I’m off to bed, so goodnight Angrysoba and Tony_opmoc. I think everyone else has turned in for the night already.

Goodnight.

PS:

Angrysoba, our comments crossed. Yeah, it’s a shame it all gets so heated. Still, it was a VERY emotive event, so I suppose that shock waves are to be expected.

Sleep well all. Or whatever, for those in different time-zones.

Clark,

About 10 years ago, there were a couple of musicians I knew who normally played as a duo – who formed a Police Tribute Band

No this wasn’t a Policeman’s Ball

Its just that the vocalist could do Sting Really Well

Now as it was a special thing – they got a full band together – with a brilliant light show too…

And when they were doing The Police’s Walking on the Moon – they projected original NASA footage of the American’s Walking On the Moon…

And I hadn’t seen it for over 20 years, and I had been doing a lot of video work – playing back stuff at various speeds and I also knew about one sixth gravity

And My Mouth Just Gaped Wide Open In AMAZEMENT at the Video – Because I was Almost Certain It Was FAKE – Yet I had believed it for 30 Years

And then No I thought – I have had several pints – and I must have got it wrong…

So I spent a couple of weeks finding everything about the Moon Landings – and Became 100% convinced that at least some of the photography was faked – but I got bored with that too – though I would recommend The Center For an Informed America.

As regards Films, well last night was not a complete disaster, despite the fact that I was ill (and no it wasn’t due to drinking too much alcohol – cos I had only a pint and a half the night before) and missed an 18th Birthday Party and a Brilliant Band after (so my wife told me).. I watched

Being John Malkovich

This is The Most Insanely Brilliant Film I Have Ever Seen In My Life…

Don’t Ask What it Is About – Just Watch It – Its on Sky at the moment

Tony

Tony_opmoc,

I really must get off to bed, but something I’ve never seen considered, is that one or more of the missions may have been faked, but not all.

Sorry, I can’t see the film, I don’t have telly. Don’t miss it, either. Night-night.

Sorry, didn’t have time to read all the comments above. I just wanted to mention that by chance I heard a repeat on the World Service of Edward Stourton’s Defining the Decade. The British Broadcasting Crusade would like the world to believe that either 100,000 or ‘as many as’ 30,000 civilians died because of the the US invasion of Iraq.

For individuals this is called perverting the course of justice, which is a serious crime. They are blatantly complicit in the US genocide in Iraq. They would probably argue that New Labour censor their news on Iraq. I don’t remember previous world events being permanently censored in the press like this. We always got the story in the end, but not any more I’m afraid.

So what does everyone think of Bigfoot?

I smell a cover-up! A Jewish cover-up!

Apart from the regular phalanx of Zio-disinformation agents,Tony mentioned,we seem also to have a whole raft of air-heads who are operating at playground level.

It doesn’t make any difference whether you or I like Jews we are talking about understanding and learning from the forces of history.

The air-heads seem to be exactly the befuddled goyim described in the Protocols.They are so conditioned in everything they perceive and think by the Jewish corporate media and Jewish- sponsored official history that their worldview is utterly skewed and warped by the inability to think analytically.

It’s like this,sheeple if you can’t get your vacuuous heads around the idea that all those revolutions and wars were conceived and instigated by the Jewish synarchy then just think back to the start of the one you’re now living through:the War on Terror to wit.

Remember all the lies and disinformation and the main players in London,Washington and NY who promoted it.The Straussian neo-con war-hawks,the Rothschild agents and ministers.

Sir Jeremy Greenstock was seen bribing,cajoling and threatening and the British are known to have bugged other nations’ representatives at the UN.He now says in a book long awaited that he and the propagandists for war all knew there were no WMD.

Then there was Sir Oliver Goldsmith,the British Attorney General who changed his mind and pronounced the attack on Iraq “legal”.

Until you guys wake up from your corporate media-induced slumber you’re going to be marched into endless wars and end up with debauched economies that produce nothing and a hell of a lot of people in countries whose resources are covetted by the Jewish synarchy are going to be killed.

No change there then!

Steelback, you are either a thick racist or an agent provocateur, or both.

Eddie

You really just proved Steelback’s case re-operating at playground level.

Have you got anything worthwhile to add to the discussion?

Can you assemble a case against the thesis that Jewish international finance and Israeli geo-strategic ambitions are behind the “War on Terror”?

Do you have any links that make your case?

The corporate media might help.I mean they’ve obviously brainwashed you into believing that anyone who criticises the Jewish freemasonic elites is racist.

Get a life,you sad brain-washed moron.

On the extension of the War on Terror into Yemen the real story is here:

http://just-another-inside-job.blogspot.com/

Mind you you best stick to your comfort zone….Daily Express?

If,as seems likely,you are incapable of making any case whatever,bugger off!

Angrysoba, I was just curious as to when your ‘holiday’ on Craig’s blog was due to end and you would be going ‘back to work’? I couldn’t help but wonder…

Far be it from me to say, but for dyed-in-the-wool anonymous internet loons such as yourself, the fanciful spectre of Jewish international finance is pretty out-of-date now.

I think it’s been out-of-date amongst paranoiac hatemongers since the 40s (and naturally it was entirely spurious then). I mean any quick check of the current magic circle merchant banks would deflate that notion pretty quickly.

If you do insist on foisting ridiculous, hateful unfounded conspiracies on us, try to put a teeny put of effort into keeping things topical.

Because if you did commit to any truly objective research (which requires a degree of emotional objectivity that you – for whatever reason – currently don’t seem to possess), I think you’d find you’re talking out of your arse.

The War on Terror started in the White House. It may be reasonable to argue that Israel currently has more leverage on US foreign policy than any other country, and that it uses that leverage to help shape terrible policy. But to frame that argument in the constructed context of “Jewish freemasonic elites”, and all the other oddball hallmarks of historic anti-semitism, is like all prejudice, lazy, hateful, unhelpful, and wrong.

No one on here has to assemble a case “against the thesis”. I suggest that in future your reflect on why you say the things you do.

@tony_opmoc: You disappoint me. I don’t know what it is in your life that’s happened to you over the last few years, but it does not seem to have been the accumulation of wisdom. That sax player seems okay though, although I understand he is given to stoking things up know and again. Musicians for you.

“Angrysoba, I was just curious as to when your ‘holiday’ on Craig’s blog was due to end and you would be going ‘back to work’? I couldn’t help but wonder…”

I’ll just have to ask my handlers.

I’d like to think Apostate and Steelback are parodies. But they’re not, are they?

Apostate.

“Have you got anything worthwhile to add to the discussion?”

I’ve nothing to add to the discussion for the simple reason that it is not a discussion. Certainly not one that any sensible, sane or reasonable person would engage in with racists like you or Steelback. Your mention of “Jewish International Finance” tells me all I need to know about you. Goodbye.

Glad to see everyone having fun. Just thought I’d point out that my post was nothing to do with 9/11 or masonic conspiracies. Fpr the record, I think that Freemasonry is a mostly harmless organisation which occasionally is a conduit for corruption, and which people join in the rather pathetic hope of improving social statues and fostering business contacts.

I think it is true that Jewish people have a disproportionately large presence in the world of finance. I don’t think that’s especially contentious. I might say, for example, there are very few Malians in international finance and that’s true too. There are a disproportionately large number of Scots as well. It’s not an observation I lace with ethical judgement. Jewish people have also been very succesful in science, for example.

Does the fact that the Jewish community has been succesful and wealthy, combined with a religiously motivated support from Israel by powerful Christian groups, give a level of support for Israel and Zionism, especialy in the West, which is unfortunate given Israel’s dire treatment of the Palestinians? Yes, I think that’s fair.

Is this an organised conspiracy depending on secret organisations with a lengthy historic provenance? No.

Angrysoba:

‘I’ll just have to ask my handlers.’

Ok, I will await your answer in anticipation. I reiterate, I sincerely wish you all the best and hope you see the error of your ways Mr. Angrysoba. The activities you are partaking in are very unhealthy and to the detriment of humanity. Honestly, what on earth would your family think if they knew what you got up to? It’s not good behaviour at all.

“Does the fact that the Jewish community has been succesful and wealthy..” Well up to a point Lord Copper, except for the small fact that 6 million of them were murdered. If what you say is true (any statistical proof?) your readers should also be aware that Jews were historically barred from many professions and that banking was one of the few that they could enter. Your from should read for.

Eddie: quite & thank you; not to mention the sufferings of the Jewish people (again used as scapegoats) throughout Europe during World War 1.

All that Franfurt School conditioning has thoroughly blunted the capacity of Eddie and all the other “Jews can do no wrong” saps on this site.

If there’s no such thing as Jewish international finance who the BeJesus you think runs the Fed and the Bank of England?

Father Christmas?

No,it’s “Helicopter” Ben Bernanke.Before that it was the thoroughly personable Alan Greenspan.

And the day when they allow us to audit the Fed and the (good old Anglo-Saxon-sounding Bank of England) that’ll be the day when Hell freezes over!

Now nobody got to vote on the Fed or the Bank of England.There was no public participation in the process of how they came into being in the seventeeenth and twentieth centuries respectively.

It couldn’t be a conspiracy though because we live in a democracy don’t we,sheeple?

All this stuff re-false flag terror-that’s just conspiracy too,isn’t it?

Funny then that the crotch-bomber’s dad turns out to be fully paid up member of the international banking elite and a Mossad asset to boot! And Mossad and the Israeli army train the Nigerian military and their front companies operate airport security.

And blow me your Israeli friends aren’t heavily involved in Yemen and India too.

For a tiny bandit country Israel sure can foment one hell of a lot of mischief!

http://incogman.wordpress.com/

Get down to INCOG,you saps!

Steelback. Go away.

Now the Bank of England was founded almost exclusively by Scots.

Craig:

‘Is this an organised conspiracy depending on secret organisations with a lengthy historic provenance? No.’

Shame the same can’t be said about E.U. political union, although not so lengthy a historical anchor of course. I’m not really bothered about the past. The ‘baddies’ now are the ‘baddies’ now. The facts are that bankers, especially those involved with the federal reserve, have a lot to answer for. They could come from a long line of extra-terrestrial life going back millions of years for all I care. Most of them need booting snd those left over should be subject to a good docking of their wages.

Eddie

Why I am I thinking you’re something of an intellectual pygmy….and a clueless jerk-off to boot?

I bet you think the Frankfurt school is where they teach you to make sausages!

Yea,and Bilderberger is a cake with squares in it!

You are patently out of your depth.Do yourself a favour and stop embarrassing yourself.

Craig

Ostensibly Western capitalism dates from the founding of the Bank of England by Scot,William Patterson in 1694-but the way the system would work was thoroughly shaped by England’s creditors at that time-the Jewish Amsterdam bankers.

The rise to inernational dominance of the British financial empire begins on the back of this Anglo-Dutch system the Amsterdam bankers created.There’s nothing very Scottish about the way the system works,I’m afraid.It’s more Babylon than Brora.

It all began with the influx of Marrano merchants via Cromwell in the 1650s.

The story is well told here:

http:bankwatch.info/

Steelback,

Why do I think you’re a weirdly obsessive anti-semite?

In fact, I suspect you are actually a Nazi. Can you confirm this?

Steelback. Your charm overwhelms me. Your racist language reminds me of someone on these boards a while back but I can’t remember the name. It reminds me also of Julius Streicher, and should be banned for incitement to hatred. Luckily for you Craig is very tolerant of what he thinks of as free speech.

Streicher also has the lowest IQ of any of the Nazis hanged at Nuremberg. 106. Goering was 138.

Steelback is proud to have an IQ of 88, aren’t you Steely, you silly little fascist.

Maybe Craig Murray’s film will be called “Semite Sense”. A story of a bunch of anti-Semites who have the disturbing notion of being in the presence of…Jews.

Steelback: [whispered] I see Jew people….

Apostate (played by Bruce Willis]: When?

Steelback: All. The. Time…

Duh-Duh-Duh…

Then follows an episode of comic relief in the tradition of Shakespeare. An extended clown scene, with Tony Opmoc as head clown.

Tony (played by Bernard Manning): I say, I say, I say…Take the Jews, Please!

Arsalan (played by Kenneth Williams): Usury! Usury! You sireee, is making me poor!

Mary (played by Babs Windsor): It’s the Iswaelis! Iswhalies! Iswahellies!

Ruth (LOOK BEHIND YOU RUTH!!!): They’re everywhere… EVERYWHERE!!!!

Angrysoba and eddie, if not the same person, are certainly some of the biggest morons on these boards. Just how deluded do you two have to be to think othwrwise? Wow!

Jaded – to you a moron is someone who challenges your racism, credulity and general stupidity. Glad to be a moron in that case.

Gott in Himmel!

JaDumkopf didn’t get a part in the movie.

Das ist eine grosse oversight!

cheers asoba & eddie.

Eddie and angrisoba are so patently Zio-zombies it’s ridiculous.

Had Craig won the Norwich seat they would be on to the Zionist press in no time at all complaining about Craig hosting “anti-semites” and fascists on the site.

Craig would be pilloried in the Zio corporate media,the Mossad/MI6 would carry out another false flag-then Bob’s your uncle they shut down the internet for “security reasons”.

Say goodbye to free speech.

Hello,WHO/UN/EU/NWO tyranny.

The Franfurt p.c. conditioning that holds these Zio-saps in its awesome grip has destroyed any capacity they might have had for critical thought.

The play wot angisoba wrote was just infantile.I bet Eddie his jerk-off sidekick enjoyed it though.Maybe they could act it out.

Then we can send them out to the playground at break!

What a pair of airheads!

Funny how Dumber and Dumber,aka Eddie and angrisoba,come up with utterly disjointed details and threads from what little history they know.

For a start Julius Streicher was Jewish.He shared his Jewish blood in common with most of the Nazi leadership.Streicher’s real name was Abraham Goldberg and after the Talmudic vengeance at Nuremberg a special agonising death awaited him.

Other Nazis who were Jewish,overwhelmingly Sephardi in origin,include Adolf Eichmann,Reinhard Heydrich,Rosenberg,Goebbels,Hans Frank,Hitler’s attorney,even Himmler had a Jewish grandmother,Robert Ley-to name but a few.

It appears to have passed Dumber and Dumber by that history is not always black and white and that is certainly the case with WW2.In all likelihood more lies have been told about this war than any other.

Collusion between Zionists in Palestine,adherents of reform and conservative Judaism in the US and the Nazis was extensive during WW2.FDR and the British,it will be remembered were encouraged by these people,to whom we might refer to today as the Israeli Lobby,to keep their doors firmly shut to the Ostjuden and Orthodox.

The Jewish historian,Edwin Black,in The Transfer Agreement argued that the economic agreement reached between the Nazis and the Zionists actually laid the very foundations of the future state of Israel.

Jewish religious historian,Rabbi Marvin Antelman,suggested that Hitler himself was son to an Hungarian Sabbatean.Still others posit the view that Hitler’s grandfather,Alois,was sired by none other than Salomon Rothschild who impregnated one Maria Schicklegruber,his housemaid.

Specially for Dumber and Dumber-can they read?

http://globalfire.tv/nj/06en/jews/holofordummies.htm

I have to admit you’re a great double act. Funny. Next you’ll be saying that the Joos sent themselves to the gas chambers. Are you writing from Broadmoor?

And still others posit the view that *everyone* is Jewish, yes, Steelback, even you. What are you going to do about that, hey?

Sorry, it’s hard. Steelback, according to Bill Bryson, you personally have a million atoms in your body which once belonged to Mozart. You have Jewish atoms and gypsy atoms and every other atom under the sun. On top of that, it surely must be clear to you that indulging in the sort of hatred which results in Holocausts is not a healthy thing, even on line. For anyone, and particularly for you. When you’re hating & slandering ‘Jews’, you’re really doing it to yourself, you know. Be nice to yourself for a change.

It just occurred to me that none of you guys ever read a book.You’re so obviously out of your depth.

Let me guess,I reckon you’re all about twelve years old,right?

If you weren’t such a pair of intellectually challenged non-entities you would by now have done some research of your own.

technicolor,angrisoba and Eddie-are you guys sharing a brain cell?

Hey,I’ve had a great idea.Why don’t you piss off and write one of your silly plays?

Bring it back and we’ll have a good laugh at what a sad bunch of numbskulls you three are!

Apostate

Did you notice the guy,”technicolour” can’t even spell his own name?

They’re twelve year olds with learning disabilities and numerous other “issues”,I reckon.

Notice how they can’t actually challenge anything you say? They just parrot the standard “antisemite” line as soon as Israel or Jewish bankers come under the spotlight.

Now that must be the oldest trick in the book!

Which book?

The one these birdbrains haven’t read yet!

Funny thing is they wouldn’t know a Sephardi from an Ashkenazi,or a Sabbatean from a Lubervitcher.

The gaps in their historical knowledge are so vast they must still be at school.

Come on you air-heads-time to impress us with your knowledge…..sorry,I mean-your play!

Apostate and Steelback. Neither of you two Nazis are ever going to find happiness in your miserable lives if all it does is revolve around Jew-hating. Now, why don’t you two swap numbers and you can meet at the gay Nazi pub, the Swastika and Jackboot and can declare the love that dare not speak its name.

Eddie:

‘Jaded – to you a moron is someone who challenges your racism, credulity and general stupidity. Glad to be a moron in that case.’

Ha ha. That’s coming from BNP eddie who is known as the biggest Nazi on the site. Brilliant stuff. You are only glad to have the necessary two brain cells that qualify you as a moron. Enough of your big fibs eddie.

Angrysoba, any news on when your ‘holiday’ will be over?

Jaded, on the contrary, you seem to be happily allying yourself with two people (or one person posting twice, which is how it reads) so familiar with the Nazi creed that to call them ‘Nazis’ would be like calling the Archbishop of Canterbury ‘religious’. Nothing to do with eddie, who has had the decency, along with asoba, to stand up for a maligned, victimised and persecuted people. They are the clear water in this sewage, OK? Just to make it clear. Seems a shame to have to.

hear hear. Well said.

well, apart from the weird gay stuff, eddie. i mean, suggesting Nazis are gay is like suggesting Nazis are Jewish, isn’t it? Another maligned, victimised, persecuted set of people who, Peter Mandelson regardless, continue to be maligned & persecuted today. Of course some Nazis were homosexual, and some Nazis were Jewish. Has anyone got a monopoly on decency?

“well, apart from the weird gay stuff, eddie.”

Maybe you mean what I posted about those two meeting at a gay Nazi pub.

Well, it certainly wasn’t targetted at gays and wasn’t supposed to be homophobic. But fair enough, I won’t say that again.

For the record I have many Gay friends and I am a great admirer of Mandelson, Tatchell and Fry. If you haven’t seen it, I recommend a viewing of Fry and Hitchens destroying Widdecombe and an African bishop in the Westminster debate about catholicism. It’s electrifying stuff.

Technicolour:

‘Jaded, on the contrary, you seem to be happily allying yourself with two people (or one person posting twice, which is how it reads) so familiar with the Nazi creed that to call them ‘Nazis’ would be like calling the Archbishop of Canterbury ‘religious’. Nothing to do with eddie, who has had the decency, along with asoba, to stand up for a maligned, victimised and persecuted people. They are the clear water in this sewage, OK? Just to make it clear. Seems a shame to have to.’

Coming from the arch anti-semite on Craig’s blog i’m afraid i’ll have to ignore that bile.

Eddie:

‘hear hear. Well said.’

From one Nazi nutter to another, sure…

Angrysoba, you seem to have gone very quiet my little friend. Still no news on when your vacation of Craig’s blog may end? That is the icing on my already proven cake my son. Yes indeed. Don’t fret though. It’s all ok…

As I said on another thread, I don’t care if people are paid trolls or not, so long as they’re interesting. Your posts, Jaded, are becoming dull.

By the way, this, below, is from Lee John Barnes, the BNP’s “legal advisor” posting on Harry’s Place. Anyone notice any similarities in style?:

“You dumb yanks really need to watch this film, as it finally bl,ows the entire lid off the whole ‘shoah Busniness, Anti-semitism Industry’.

Abe Foxman is a joke and the ADL the most succesful snake oil business in history.

Watch the film moron and then feel shame for the evil that you peddle.”

?

Technicolour

I spend a lot of time on Harry’s Place and that is an interesting observation. There is a similarity in style certainly and there is a report today on HP of BNP-allied thugs being on trial for anti-semitism and soliciting murder. As for paid trolls, whether they exist or not I don’t know. I’m doubtful and I think the people who make these accusations are a little paranoid. I wish someone would pay me for wasting my time on these sites!

agreed, eddie, even writing ‘paid trolls’ looks silly.

Boohooo….the CIA get fucked over BOOOHOOOO…….

Rearrange into well known saying “Coming had fucking it.”

Snow joke as man is held over airport bomb tweet

GalleryPosted on 18 Jan 2010 at 11:11

A man who jokingly tweeted that he would blow up a snow-clogged airport has been arrested by anti-terror police in the UK.

Paul Chambers decided to vent his frustration on the social-networking site after his plane was cancelled by the recent snowfall. “Robin Hood airport is closed,” he tweeted. “You’ve got a week and a bit to get your s**t together, otherwise I’m blowing the airport sky high!!”

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The joke backfired a week later when anti-terror police arrived on his doorstep and arrested him. “My first thought upon hearing it was the police was that perhaps a member of my family had been in an accident,” Chambers told The Independent. “Then they said I was being arrested under the Terrorism Act and produced a piece of paper. It was a print-out of my Twitter page. That was when it dawned on me.”

Mr Chambers was reportedly questioned for seven hours, before being bailed until 11 February, when he’ll learn whether he’ll be charged with conspiring to create a bomb hoax.

In the meantime, police deleted the bomb message from his Twitter account and have confiscated his iPhone, laptop and desktop computer. He’s also banned from the Doncaster airport for life.

8-Year-Old Boy Can’t Get Name Off Airport Security Watch List Mikey Hicks, an 8-year-old Cub Scout from Clifton, NJ, dreads flying out of Newark because airport security is always pulling him aside for frisking and interrogation, explaining that his name is “on the list.” He was first patted down at the age of 2, and cried like a baby. His mother would like everyone to feel sorry for him, but the other passengers probably felt a lot safer knowing no surprises were waiting inside his Pampers, hey-o.

Of course, the Transportation Security Administration says just it’s a myth that this kid is on their “No-Fly” list, which is technically true?”Mikey is actually one of 13,500 people on the larger “selectee” list, which automatically triggers a high level of security screening. But for almost seven years, this snafu (which the TSA won’t comment on) has gotten increasingly annoying for the family, because they get tied up with security and are usually the last to get seat assignments and board the plane, preventing them from sitting together. Mikey’s mother, who actually got clearance to fly on Air Force One as a photojournalist, is well-armed with zingers for the Times:

Up your arms, down your arms, up your crotch ?” someone is patting your 8-year-old down like he’s a criminal. A terrorist can blow his underwear up and they don’t catch him. But my 8-year-old can’t walk through security without being frisked… I understand the need for security. But this is ridiculous. It’s quite clear that he is 8 years old, and while he may have terroristic tendencies at home, he does not have those on a plane.

81,793 travelers have submitted formal requests demanding their names be taken off the watch list; more than 25,000 of their cases are still pending. Mario Labbe, a Canadian record-company executive, was stopped so many times since 9/11 he finally got fed up and just changed his name. Now they don’t bother him anymore! The system works! “We can’t just throw a bunch of names on these lists and call it security,” Representative William J. Pascrell Jr., a New Jersey Democrat, tells the Times. “If we can’t get an 8-year-old off the list, the whole list becomes suspect.”

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