“US and UK Troops Kill Muslims with Christian Inscribed Guns”…

http://tinyurl.com/yf2z8yh

“US firm backs off on ‘Bible’ scopes”…

tinyurl.com/yg8nbbo

“Religious Zealots Arming Our Troops – PT. 1/2″

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHRFovQBUP0

Part 2…

tinyurl.com/ye7xgox

I think it doesn’t make much of a difference to Muslims what the guns that kill us are marked with.

I think I’m more worried about the bullets entering the brains and hearts of my people than what is written on the sight.

The people who should really be offended are Christians. These people are writing parts of your holy book on guns they use to kill people.

These People who rule America hate Jesus, hate the Bible and hate God. I don’t think it is possible to disrespect the Bible more?

How is it possible to mock what Jesus said about turning the other check, than writting his words on Guns?

“This is highly reminiscent of the belief that bullet cartridges were greased with pig and cow grease”.

Gah. I’d seen the story, but I never thought of that. Good *grief*, that’ll really help things. Not. How silly can people get ?

Come to that, who’s equipping the forces of law & order in Iraq ? My head’s started spinning. How many non-Bible-thumping countries does the USA feed small-arms to ?

This may be a good moment to link to http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28151

“NEW YORK?”Responding to recent events on Earth, God, the omniscient creator-deity worshipped by billions of followers of various faiths for more than 6,000 years, angrily clarified His longtime stance against humans killing each other Monday.” (contd. p94).

These fools call him the Prince of Peace and then write his words on Guns!

May the curse of Jesus, and the other Prophets be upon them until the end of time.

“Peculiarly, having read the Gospels many times, I can’t recall Jesus advocating shooting people from a great distance.”

That omission’s probably caused by the well known liberal bias in the New Testament. With any luck it’ll be fixed soon:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/10/conservapdia_has_a_new_project.php

Oh yeah i see what you done there, “killing muslims” inferring (nudge nudge) that US and Yoo Kay troops will be routinely and deliberately killing muslims in general as opposed to terrorists and insurgents who are muslims and who kill and try to kill…erm…all or as many ‘Christians’ in general as possible with whatever weapons they can.

Very clever of you!.

For the avoidance of doubt, I’d like to point out that if you wish to read my previous comment out loud a tone combining sarcasm and bewilderment would be suitable.

So Afghans fighting the occupying forces are “insurgents”.

Where did they surge in from, precisely?

The company is using two biblical references on its sights; one from a gospel and one from a Pauline letter. They are:

2COR4:6

“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ”

and

John 8:12

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life”

The rifles are therefore delivering to non-Christians the darkness they deserve. All a bit sick-making really.

“It is hard to imagine anything more calculated to upset Musim opinion …”

So Craig Murray, do you think the Pentagon intended to have the inscriptions, or do you think it was solely the manufacturer that wanted to piss off Muslims?

This is certainly an upsetting issue, and one that will obviously be resolved. Hopefully they’ll ferret out similar inscriptions (if any).

“The Wixom, Michigan company said it has inscribed references to the New Testament on the metal casings of its gunsights for over two decades.”

Heard about this a couple of days ago on the Mike Malloy show.

Apparently the company that’s made these obscenities have backed off now:

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_firm_backs_off_on_Bible_scopes_01212010.html

All the inscriptions I’ve come across so far have references to “light”. But this sword-wielding version of Christianity is nothing new to American forces, examples are abound in their armed services.

“examples are abound in their armed services.”

So then why is this news?

Arsalan, you wrote:

“These People who rule America hate Jesus, hate the Bible and hate God. I don’t think it is possible to disrespect the Bible more? How is it possible to mock what Jesus said about turning the other check, than writting his words on Guns?”

The manufacturer’s thinking is so compartmentalised that they never make the connection. Their left hand doesn’t know what their right hand is doing. I see this in so many people, and I have no idea what to do about it. If you try to show such people the connection between belief and behaviour, they just get angry. Compare consumption and climate change. Compare riches and poverty. What do we do?

http://www.footbing.com/products/Womens-Footwear-c6_p1.html

Evisu shoes

Actually, I believe the ‘Lord of Light’ is the title of Lucifer, whose glorious appearance hides the putridity inside. Dante’s Inferno was not on my required reading list.

Just what they need! An organization of religious freaks in New Mexico has sent 600 “solar powered bibles” that recite the gospel in Haitian Creole to the victims of last weeks devastating earthquake. Dubbed “the Proclaimer” the audio-bibles broadcast “digital quality” and is designed for “poor and illiterate people” according to Faith Comes by Hearing, the whackjob outfit that is sending the bibles to Haiti.

http://www.theygaveusarepublic.com/main/1

ref Craig @12:04 a.m.

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The Dutch Davids commission has recently published its long awaited report into Holland’s participation in the war against Iraq.

It’s interesting that this report, compilied by trained lawyers, came to the conclusion that, basically, the Dutch government broke both domestic and international law by supporting the invasion of Iraq.

What’s also “interesting” is how little influence this detailed report, which I believe has also been published in English, has been reported in the British or American media.

One particularly interesting section deals with a “private” letter from Tony Blair, delivered by hand, in the run up to war, by the British ambassador to the Dutch PM for his eyes only, and that after reading it the letter was returned to the ambassador and no copy made for the Dutch archives.

The Davids committee asked the UK government for a copy of the letter, but the request was refused. What was in that letter and why the secrecy? Will Chilcot ask for that letter?

Another “paradox” relating to this whole conspiracy to drag the UK into war by stealth, is the extraordinary lengths the main conspirators went to, to keep their dealings secret and provide future “cover” for their crimes. If, If, they were so innocent, so credulous, so sure of the legality of their actions, it seems rather odd that they were so concerned with covering their tracks doesn’t it?

One only needs to look at Jack Straw, his letters to Blair seem like a form of insurance policy for the future, to show that he had doubts about the policy and was only a loyal servant and not one of the core conspirators in the crime. But onece again the crucial weakness with the entire Chilcot enquiry is the lack of any competent cross examination of the witnesses.

And another thing, Craig. Recently hacks like Rent a Tool and Cohen have alleged that there is no such thing as international law relating to war and no court, and therefore Tony Blair couldn’t have committed a war crime, because their is no law to break! What do you think about this line of argument and reasoning?

Well what ever dream ya average american citizen had of democracy just saw the whole idea go down in flames as the Supreme Court rules that Corporation had political rights like citizens.

Bang goes the cap on buying your senator, oh how our English politicians must be envious…..

I agree with writerman, this dutch letter should be seen by Chilcot, after all the inquiry has no powers to convict or punish in any sense, so nobody has anything to loose letting these privvy councillors see such diplomatic exchange, well was it diplomatic if only Blair and the dutch PM saw it? Should the dutch PM be called to give verbal evidence about this letter?

Was the war illegal if it was not declared,i.e. if nobody said we are going to war, was it a war in the sense of the geneva conventions or rules of war? don’t know but these lawyers can argue themselves our of any heap of shite.

I’m not a lawyer, but would the Khmer rogue get away with having a go at civilian Thai’s because they have not announced their incursion and called it a war?

Such arguments are spurious and should not count, because in any other behaviour, outside established law, where a third party is hurt, as Iraq’s civilian victims were, regress is given, no law would let the perpetrator go free just because his crime has not been ‘announced’ and hence it is not eligible to be judged by said law, or is it?

writerman,

That is the first I have heard of “a “private” letter from Tony Blair, delivered by hand, in the run up to war, by the British ambassador to the Dutch PM for his eyes only and that after reading it the letter was returned to the ambassador and no copy made for the Dutch archives.”

I am intrigued as to why Blair used a letter. Maybe he considered it the most secure form of communication, but perhaps also he realised it was a highly important historical record, which could explain, if not justify his actions.

The contents of the letter may reveal a real threat to the entire human race, that still exists, and is so serious, that it is still not safe for it to be revealed.

Tony

“missing letter”…

http://tinyurl.com/yzodtlk

Bindon’s Trijicon sounds like another Templar outfit.Probably the logo everyone’s frothing loudly about because of its alleged “religious insensitivity” is the Roger Moore Saint logo!

NZ has reacted with the utmost piousness and rectitude re-blatant offence caused to muslims they’re fighting in the Middle East-huff,huff!

Those who say that the extent of Zionist domination in any given nation rises in direct proportion to its troop level commitment in Afghanistan are probably right.

Bindon (d.2003,Cessna hit mountain scenario) was S.African and described in all the current hype as “a devout christian”.It’s bollocks-part of the company’s website sales pitch to the US hunting and shooting brigade.

Bindon,like most S.African arms dealers, would have worked with the Mossad.The US Christian Zionist sects and the linked MIC assets are simply extensions of the Jewish Freemasonic conspiracy to foment civilisational war between muslims and christians for the ultimate benefit of the plan for world domination hatched over centuries.

The Templars were enlisted into this plan for Ismaelite world dominion via christian versus muslim civilisational war through their contact with the Ismaelite Assassins sect.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecution16.html

So if Bindon was a Christian so were the Templars!

With regards to the content of the undisclosed letter, there are various possible scenarios to consider. The important point, is not that the threat is necessarily real, but that the highest levels of Government are convinced that it is real.

My first guess is something that even I believed was real for a week or so, but am now convinced is false.

It goes some thing like this.

Message from Blair to Jan Peter Balkenende, the Dutch prime minister.

“The evidence is now clear and irrefutable. Peak Oil is Real. We have less than 10 years worth of energy resources left, until Western Civilisation collapses into chaos. We have a very short window of opportunity now, to secure the last major oil resources in the World. Iraq is almost completely undefended and we can secure these precious resources in only a few days with minimum loss of life. The Iraqi’s will welcome us, as we will be freeing them from the tyranical rule of Saddam Hussein, who should be removed on moral grounds regardless of the critical position on energy supplies. We also have conclusive proof, that if we don’t take this action now, then China will. We will then either be totally under the control of China, or World War III will be far more likely which could result in the end of human civilisation.

Love & Peace,

Tony

Other scenarios will be considered ridiculous conspiracy theories from the realms of James Bond and other disaster movies…

But here’s one…

(this one may seem silly, unless you consider MAD – mutually assurred destruction via nuclear missile US VS Soviet Union – ref Dr. Strangelove – Humans Actually Do Some Incredibly Strange Things)

Message from Blair to Jan Peter Balkenende, the Dutch prime minister.

9/11 was not an inside job. It was a warning and a demonstration. All Western Governments have been infiltrated to the highest level, such that the real decisions are being made by an undisclosed foreign power. We were informed of what we had to do, but we refused and called their bluff. To prove their capability they gave us 9/11, but the real threat is much more serious than that and is very real. All major Western Cities are equally threatened, and the nuclear weapons do not have to be delivered by missile, but are already in place, hard wired and exceedingly well hidden. Until we can locate them all and disarm them, then we are forced to comply with their directives.

Love & Peace,

Tony

Steelback,

I recently saw an episode of The Saint made in around 1965 when I was staying at the in-laws and was bored. The acting was so completely atrocious that it was hilarious. It even featured some original flower power hippies.

Now, whilst there are some real historical connections with regards to various ancient religious and power elites, some of which may still exist today, my view about the vast majority of them is that they are a load of old bollocks.

The real evil twats over the last 100 years or so have virtually no Jewish connection whatsoever. They are quite clearly Anglo-American. You should read FW Engdahl’s “A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order” and Pepe Escobar “Globalistan”.

You can take your pick from all the religious nonsense and dream up any conspiracy you want. Some people believe the Pope is the real anti-christ, but you may as well believe its the bloke in Iron Maiden who’s also an airline pilot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mHe6FMs46o

Incidentally your link doesn’t work. It’s probably been removed by one of the posters here.

Tony

Off topic – Craig, I should be interested to read a post on your thoughts about Obama’s “fighting talk” with the banks. He touches on the idea of separating domestic and casino banking, something I think you can gleefully point out you mentioned quite some time ago, and well before the UK media thought it was OK to broach.

Apparently Osborne initialled followed suit and said that under the Tories a similar thing would happen, but today he appears to have retracted somewhat and he would “wait and see” what the international community decides. I am generally not a fan of shadowy theories, but someone does appear to have “had a word”.

Jon: It looks like a re-implementation of the Glass Steagall act, introduced after the first republican great depression of the 1930s, which was caused very much by the same sort of speculation and gambling. It was repealed by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999, leading to exactly what we’ve got now.

But at least the company has ISO9001 Certification and is fair to its employees!

What about British nutters and their quasi-religious beliefs?

(If this upsets you, just take a homeopathic mood enhancer and you’ll be fine).

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6997859.ece

Jon: I haven’t heard the speech yet, looking forward to catching up with it on the weekend. What is surprising is that things collapsed so quickly once the act was repealed. This was a republican initiative, of course, but it was signed into law by Clinton. He might have been the best republican president the US ever had, but did a lot of damage with GATT, NAFTA and so on. One could argue we’ve handed over our sovereignty to multinational corporations, and for all the frothing the right-wing does about sovereignty when it comes to the UN (or the EU for that matter), this doesn’t seem to concern them.

Clinton ran as a progressive but then governed like a republican… I wonder if Obama is going to carry on doing the same, or if he realises at last that failing to be progressive is going to lose elections as well as ruin the economy.

Arsalan – “I think it doesn’t make much of a difference to Muslims what the guns that kill us are marked with.”

I take your point, and could hardly disagree, but I think Craig’s point was more about the people on the other end of the trigger, the local forces being equipped with US weapons to fight against other local forces.

@Larry 2:06

For once Larry I totally agree with one of your posts. Those scammers selling totally ineffective ‘sniffers’ deserve to be prosecuted not just for fraud but for endangering the lives of everyone fooled into using them.

I’ll skip on the homeopathic mood enhancer though because homeopathy is bollocks too.

Unity has a full analysis of the ‘sniffers’ at http://tiny.cc/7PXp5

Larry,

Apart from the seriousness of the issue, flogging 1,500 telescopic antennas on a molded plastic handle (est cost £150) for £52.7 million has got to be one of the best Scouse scams ever.

They will be pissing themselves laughing in Liverpool.

I am of course jumping to conclusions, but he is reported to be a former Merseyside police officer.

Surely the buyer wasn’t a Yank?

Tony

The lunacy beggars belief. It’s an apt parallel, Craig: 1857 and 2010 – The Gun Speaketh Volumes.

Suhayl Saadi and Craig Murray:

There is a parallel to the 1857 mutiny? Hah! Almost as funny as your commenters’ belief that 911 was an inside job!

You should read up on the multiple causes of the mutiny.

In any event, when can we expect the 2010 mutiny to occur? Soon? I’m sure you’re waiting with gleeful anticipation.

Larry,

What makes you think that anyone here believes that 9/11 was an inside job?

“Mineta responds to an opening question by Commissioner Hamilton about the events in the PEOC and an alleged shoot down order. He describes a conversation between Cheney and a young man:

Mineta: “During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

Now of course you can make of this evidence what you want.

What is indisputable is that Cheney was there in control – what time does he normally get out of bed?

Was Cheney insisting that the plane should be shot down?

Or did he whip his neck around, because the young man couldn’t believe, that the order still stood to not shoot it down?

Tony

I wasn’t even planning on someone to jump on that.

That stupid claim has been answered over and over again.

Or you could look at the undamaged windows here and the size of the hole consistent with a missile attack, but not consistent with a Boeing 757

Just look at the last photo in this link, you don’t even have to read the words

http://911review.org/Wget/investigate911.batcave.net/pentagon1.html

Where exactly is the plane wreckage?

Sorry, but you did ask.

Tony

2003 called. It wants its conspiracy back.

Yes, there are pictures of the Pentagon without an airplane apparent. But there are plenty of pictures with an airplane apparent.

And there are stacks and stacks of other evidence.

Tony, you do understand the concept of DNA, don’t you?

Or there’s the psychological point of view…

You go to a pub you have hardly ever been to before, to see a band, cos the Guv wants some new customers.

It is only a small bar, and there is this enormous hells angel asleep all over it who obviously doesn’t like happy music.

He is covered in Swasticas and every Evil image of Blood and Destruction You Can Think Of.

If you are a little 14 stone weakling, do you go up to him and slap him in the face – and tell him to wake up – cos he is occupying 50% of the bar – and appears just like a piece of dead meat…

Because if you do, he will wake up and become incredibly angry and do his best to kill you.

I didn’t slap him in the face by the way, but he did think I was being rather rude to him.

And anyway he didn’t connect, cos his mates jumped on him – they saw it coming.

Tony

Larry,

As it happens I have read pretty well every book ever published on the mutiny, and hundreds of articles. I also have read through the 4 thick volumes of correspondence published by the official inquiry. I even have my own copies.

Of course there were numerous underlying causes. But the cartridge row was a major catalyst.

Larry,

I am sure the authorities have your DNA, because you are an obviously dodgy character – and have almost certainly been arrested – even though you didn’t do it.

But the vast majority of the innocent passengers who allegedly were on the plane that hit the Pentagon, probably had never been arrested for anything, and no one had ever recorded their DNA – particularly in 2001

So how exactly were they positively identified by their DNA? What did they match the blood samples with, when they couldn’t even find a decent bit of bent plane let alone a body?

I mean, I know some people will believe any shit that is fed to them, but that is simply because they are stupid bastards.

Sorry, I don’t mean you of course.

I do realise you are a covert truther, just winding me up on a Friday night when it is normal for me to be pissed and extremely vulnerable to interrogation.

Tony

“But the vast majority of the innocent passengers who allegedly were on the plane that hit the Pentagon, probably had never been arrested for anything, and no one had ever recorded their DNA – particularly in 2001

So how exactly were they positively identified by their DNA? What did they match the blood samples with, when they couldn’t even find a decent bit of bent plane let alone a body?”

Yep, there it is folks! Troofer logic!

Tony, to identify a body, you don’t need DNA on record. For instance, you can use the DNA of a person’s relatives (also, ever heard of mitochondrial DNA?). Also, we also have DNA at home for forensics professionals to find.

If you think that the remains of plane and passengers were not found at the Pentagon, it’s clear that you only read conspiraloon websites.

Also – here’s another example of the conspiraloon approach – you think you’re one of the few people who can actually see the light!

You’re really quite silly. Educate yourself, and try to stay away from conspiraloon sites.

O.K. Larry – I will give you that one.

In fact DNA is almost completely useless at proving anything, but absolutely great at planting “evidence”

For example you want to plan the perfect murder on someone…

All you need to do is break into his home when he is out – and that is exceedingly easy if you are a locksmith or know one (untraceably)

And go to his bathroom

There will an enormous volume of his DNA to collect from the drain hole in his bath or shower…

You then do your evil deed, and spread his DNA all over the crime scene…

So why the Fuck did the Police arrest my 15 year old daughter?

She had done absolutely nothing wrong, and I want her DNA removed from their Database. It is an outrageous infringement of her human rights.

Tony

I’m not interested in fractious and inelegant diversionary activity. I was simply endorsing Craig’s comment about the imagistic quasi-religious similarities that run through colonialism, the tactics which mutate but which never really change.

Btw, I know all about the complexities of the First Indian War of Independence (the so-called ‘Mutiny’). My great-grandfather was shot in the head by the British during a demo circa 1857 and miraculously lived, hail and hearty, until 1941, to the age of 99, to tell the tale! His father was hung in public by the British Empire for participating in the same demo. The other side of my family were Afghan aristocrats and were centrally involved – on the side of the British! – in the 1st Afghan War and the well-known journeys of the koh-i-noor diamond. Unfortunately for him, the ex-ruler of Afghanistan, Shah Shuja (who unwisely had tried to regain his throne in 1839-42 by siding with the British Empire), was assasinated in Kabul in the debacle that was the 1st Afghan War. Only a single (according to legend and the famous painting, I think a certain Scottish Doctor Brown) – well, in truth only a few – British soldiers survived that war. My grandfather fought on the Burma Front in WWII as Adjutant to General William Slim, who arguably was the finest Allied commander of WWII. I am anti-imperialist and recognise that the Taliban et al, whose world-view I despise and who I see as the Khymer Rouge of Central Asia, like the Khymer Rouge, are largely products of unending imperial wars. I really do not require any lessons in the complexities of history.

Larry seems to have changed a lot since he’s been posting here…

So when can we expect a mutiny?

Anyone got a proper picture of a jumbo jet hitting the Pentagon? The whole area was festooned with cameras, so surely there’s a decent still somewhere? Anyone? Better still, a reasonable quality moving picture.

I think Tony was wondering how you get DNA from a crash-site when no body-parts were apparent. Testing supposed relatives is a rather pointless exercise when the dead person’s remains aren’t there.

ok, if that’s a bit too hard, how about a picture of the crashed plane – we all know what these terrible scenes look like, lots of bits of planes, seats, luggage all over the place. Would someone be so kind as to reference one? From the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania crash sites, please.

And let’s keep it civil for once – nothing is gained here by screaming “loon” etc. at anyone doubting the official side. And I won’t call those believing the official story goose-stepping True Believers, slavish followers of Bush’s lies, closed-minded ditto-heads and so on either – deal?

tony are you talking about your daughter’s vagina now?

A mutiny…? On the Bounty, Mister Christian, on the Bounty! Cast anchor!

How typical of Larry. Any stupid remark designed to provoke.

Tony, I always thought technicolour was NUJ.

But of course it’s just an impression I got.

You Are to Global Warming Denier

Who is Drawing on

American Right-wing Conspiracies from 2004

And You Seem a Little Nuts

Perhaps Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Larry accuses tony_opmoc of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, in an admittedly amusing imitation of Tony’s late night posts.

However, the most basic pass at NPD defines it thus:

—start def

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the diagnostic classification system used in the United States, as “a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.”

—end def

Does Tony sound like he’s talking in grandiose terms of himself, requiring anyone to admire him, or demonstrating a failure to empathise?

I’d say definitely not on any count. Other things perhaps, but definitely not NCD. So why toss out that slur?

Whatever labels people want to hang round his neck, I wish he’d get a grip. Need to know, and all that.

Glenn wrote this: Well- any answer?

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Anyone got a proper picture of a jumbo jet hitting the Pentagon? The whole area was festooned with cameras, so surely there’s a decent still somewhere? Anyone? Better still, a reasonable quality moving picture.

I think Tony was wondering how you get DNA from a crash-site when no body-parts were apparent. Testing supposed relatives is a rather pointless exercise when the dead person’s remains aren’t there.

ok, if that’s a bit too hard, how about a picture of the crashed plane – we all know what these terrible scenes look like, lots of bits of planes, seats, luggage all over the place. Would someone be so kind as to reference one? From the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania crash sites, please.

And let’s keep it civil for once – nothing is gained here by screaming “loon” etc. at anyone doubting the official side. And I won’t call those believing the official story goose-stepping True Believers, slavish followers of Bush’s lies, closed-minded ditto-heads and so on either – deal?

Suhayl

I wish that I had your historical knowledge. As a Muslim revert, or apne English, as I heard myself called in my street, I am an outsider to your heritage and a mere observer of Muslim culture.

From my observations, I venture to disagree with you about the Taliban.

I see justifiable outrage written in the hearts of all Muslims at the Iraq-like trauma of British colonial rule. Our brash and uninhibited culture, as in the commments above, pierced the deepest sensitivities of Islamic culture, as it has done in Iraq. It’s deeply insulting to many Muslims even to remind them of the atrocities of colonial rule. That’s a universal feeling after being subjected to the torture of occupation.

Words written on guns are irrelevant compared with the realities of foreign invasion. Even the war of words, as Craig points out, when they call us insurgents ” where did they surge in from, precisely? ” is easier to bear than the deliberate humiliation perpetrated by Crusader forces. Humiliation is a strategy of war. Look at the evangelical websites urging people to adopt and convert the orphans of Iraq. Their attitude is an attack against our faith. Allah states in the Qur’an, something to the effect that they hated Him first.

On the other hand the Taliban are directing their efforts against Islamic corruption. I use the word Islam-ic on purpose, because there is Islam and everything which ends in -ic is usually just a photocopy. Their target is un-Islamic practise, corruption in Muslim societies, the oppression of the weak and the inability of the weak to defy the will of the powerful ” Muslims” higher up the food chain. This is not just a rich/poor issue. Rich people are even more susceptible to bullying through corruption than the poor.

The worst thing you can do to a Muslim society is to fuel corruption with cash. Afghanistan is awash with cash and the corruption gets stronger. The West has demonstrated that it is prepared to condone corruption, because corruption is what devastates the Justice which is the meaning of Islam.

Taliban is for the re-instatement of Islam as a cure for the otherwise incurable disease of corruption. They are targeted at the internal destructive forces which are have resulted from foreign interference with the harmony of Muslim life.

You go to the doctor with bad knees, they tell you to lose weight. Later you may need an operation. First you have to practise your religion. Later you have to fight for it against the disbelievers who want to destroy it completely.

I come from a priveledged British background and I am now extremely poor. Islam changes priorities. Corruption sometimes means the priveledges I enjoy over others. Not easy, to be sure.

Suhayl something you said got me thinking?

Do you know what strikes me about the first Afghan war and what is happening now?

Opium.

Everyone seems to think Opium was the consequence of this Afghan War, but if history is anything to go by, could it be part of its purpose?

What I mean is the first Afghan war happened at the same time as the opium wars in China.

Then like now, everyone used to buy a lot from China, but the Chinese didn’t buy anything from anyone. Then like now it meant the western powers had to buy with cold hard cash(silver at the time, $ today). Then like now that caused problems for the western powers, and they were and now are running out of money.

Since the war the only thing that has been obtained from Afghanistan is opium. It was almost eradicated by the Taliban, and ever since it has increased to record levels.

It is well known that the CIA imported/imports cocaine from latin America in to the US for funds, so why not export Opium from Afghanistan in to China?

They are unable to sell them anything else, and opium production is the only thing the invasion has managed to improve.

anno

I am really poor just like you, but my wife is really rich. The reason why I am able to marry someone who is really rich inspite of being really poor is because I am really good looking.

Anyway my point is stay away from rich women, something goes wrong with their heads when they earn too much which results in them nagging too much.

Arsalan

In general, the rules of Islam contradict the favourite occupations of the Crusaders, polytheists and hypocrites.

Your wife doesn’t need to be rich in order to cause you problems. My first wife stole everything I had by devious means I’m still trying to figure out how to this day. A true, blue colonial power whose ancestors carried the bible to New Zealand. When the missionaries arrived they had the book and the natives had the land. After a short period of time the missionaries had the land and the natives had the book.

As for the deviousness of our government, what they want to do, let them do. I think they are quite capable of repeating their opium wars on China. They’re totally terrified of losing their economic supremacy. Muslim countries like Malaysia are still struggling desperately with heroine addiction. This has been achieved by Western modernisation of the Muslim society, which equalises the role of the sexes and undermines Islam’s patriarchal foundation.

It’s the broken society that abuses their children, not the strong society. The West displays its weakness by resorting to abuse. Will it survive feminism? Under feminism we in the UK have changed our God from Christian patriarchal decency to LYING. Every day I find that every body is worshipping the God of LYING with even more dedication than I give to Allah, my Lord. Lakum deenukum wa liyaddeen. For you is your religion, and for me is mine.

By all means make your wife your banker, but don’t make her your manager, is my advice to a fellow Muslim

“Muslim countries like Malaysia are still struggling desperately with heroine addiction”

Ah, yes, the film industry has a lot to answer for.

(once again folks, my contributions are not necessary for the thread to turn KRRAAAAAZZZYYY!)

Larry that is because we are here to have fun and joke with each other while you are here because you have no friends.

“These are solar-powered audible Bibles that can broadcast the holy scriptures in Haitian Creole to 300 people at a time.”…

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