Yeah but that’s how the bastards work…the smear process,guilt by insinuation,whispers and rumours…

The odious little shits that they are.

BREAKING NEWS

Apparently more scandal about to follow about the renting out of diner facilities at parliament to outside corporate interests.

Patricia Hewitt’s name initially mentioned in conjunction with BT….

Im sure more info will follow,…

hey craig….just hang in there

what goes around comes around….

They sound desperate.

Private Eye reports in the 22/1 -> 4/2 issue that Patricia Hewitt spends (according to the parliamentary register of interests) 53 hours/month with Alliance Boots, BT and private equity firm Cinven. Of course, this does not interfere with her duties as an MP when she’s not plotting coups against the party leader.

MPs on modest salaries under strict expense scrutiny are more ready to influence and recruit by commercial interests.

This financial squeeze on the supposed directors of our nations interests amounts to an attack on their livelyhood and status by much, much more wealthy peoples.

The poor fools ahould have read “Murder in Samarkand”, and then they wouldn’t waste time on someone who as scrupulously honest about such things as yourself!

Who are the other copurt members and what is their opinion of this FoI request?

Secondly, can we find out, via a freedom of information request if necessarry, what the Newspapers editors and top journo’s expenses were? and publicise it, off course.

Just to cheer you up, here is Shaun Lowthorpes article about ‘Murder in Samarkand’.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED02%20Feb%202010%2019%3A32%3A59%3A813

Welcome back, Craig. I was beginning to worry!

Anyway, over at the Information Clearing House website there is an extraordinary piece about the Christmas, underpants bomber, sourced from a Congressional inquiry.

It reveals that the bomber was not only known in advance, but that he was allowed to continue his activities, because it was hoped he would lead them to more and bigger fish, something I suspected all along. I am very sceptical about these terror plots, most of the individuals involved are either entrapped, or nutters. Like the shoe bomber.

What’s surprising is how such sensational revelations are filtered out of the mainstream media accounts, at the same time they are crowing over how loudly this particular barmy bird is singing!

writerman.

..and more in the pipe-line, we have to convince the masses that a strike on Iran is.. of course necessary.

http://tinyurl.com/false-flag-question-mark

They tried this one on with George Galloway and found his expenses were ZERO.

Of course they tried and failed to get him by other means/LIES. They never stop trying Craig…

“Yeah but that’s how the bastards work…the smear process,guilt by insinuation,whispers and rumours…”

“The odious little shits that they are.”

Well said Jives.

Dear Craig

Isn’t it nice that you are so well thought of that someone wants to do a hatchet job on you?

I wouldn’t doubt your integrity in public office.

Which newspaper?

Why not FOI and find out.

Yours sincerely

George Laird

The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

It’s pathetic really.They are terribly small,spiteful,weak,hate-filled,narrow idiots.

They don’t like you Craig becuse they could never be the man you are and they hate themselves for it.This is what cowards always do:transfer their self-loathing onto others.

No matter how trying and painful your fight these last few years has been always remember this:

You’ll never have to be them.

“Apparently more scandal about to follow about the renting out of diner facilities at parliament to outside corporate interests.”…

http://tinyurl.com/ya2saac

“Breakfast for BT, of which Patricia Hewitt is a non-executive Director.”…

http://tinyurl.com/ycrqqyc

@ George Dutton

Funny almost isn’t it George.

Hewitt spent most of 70′s campaigning against Govt. phone tapping.She was tapped herself.Last few years she’s been spearheading the NuLabour mass surveillance RIPA process and now,it seems,she’s an non-Exec Director of BT!

And,allegedly,providing very nicely for them-and her.

How very very cosy,how very very NuLabour.

How utterly fuckin’hypocritical.

I have BT broadband (more’s the pity until I get out of the contract) and laughed to myself when I just had to correct a typo in my e.mail address. I typed .con instead of .com

I am posting this as it is relevant to the thread. I thought Jackboots Smith had gone but Postman Pat is just the same. It used to be ‘reds under the bed’ now it is ‘browns under the gowns’

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/86446

Terror police sent to universities

Britain is becoming a police state, academics have warned after an MP announced that counter-terrorism officers were being stationed in universities identified as vulnerable to extremists.

a~

Kelvin McKenzie (ex editor of the Sun! that fine organ of the Murdochracy)recently said that no Muslim should be allowed to attend a British university. The demonisation is ongoing.

“how very very NuLabour”

“My review was excluded from dealing with issues under investigation before 20 July 2009 by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards or at any stage by the Police; nor has it dealt with tax aspects, which fall to HM Customs and Revenue.”…

http://tinyurl.com/ybgstpr

“House of Commons Members Estimate Committee”…

tinyurl.com/ydjv3rb

Craig

Take it as a compliment that you are a focus of attention. You must be ruffling a lot of feathers with your comments and authoritative blog. Since your information can not be refuted, word must be out to discredit you. So far you have stood up very well to all scrutiny and intimidations so keep the good fight.

In a functioning democracy the Murdoch empire would be broken into pieces, because the concentration of so much power in the hands of one man, and the ability of that man to effect the politics of country he isn’t even a citizen of, is an scandalous affront to the concept of democracy.

On the other hand, if one instead lives in a Power State, then it’s perfectly justifiable and the natural way to conduct affairs.

I don’t believe newspapers can file FOI requests. Only individuals.

So, who told you your expenses were the subject of an FOI request? And if what they say is true, how did they know that the request was for a newspaper? When was the request made? How has it been handled? And why have you only been told about it now? Further, why did the university not contact you for permission to release the information without the individual having to invoke the FOI act?

(I’m not suggesting you share the answers to these things: just food for thought).

I would suggest you ask to find out who exactly has made the request (there’s no other way you’ll know). I’m 100% confident you’re legally entitled to know. You could, for example, file an FOI request yourself. But a tiny part of me suspects you’ve just been bullshitted by someone at the uni who objected to your claiming anything at all.

Either way, somewhere along the line you’ve made an enemy or met an idiot, or both.

Sorry – just reread OP and saw the request was for all court members (Dundee uni has a court?). Still think the FOI claim is political uni bullshit to discourage expenses claims, but perhaps less focussed on you and more on members generally. Depends who has been told about it. Would be intrigued to know if I am right.

Craig,

You effectively gave up a well paid career on principle. That is a clear example to me you are worthy, honest, brave, reliable and truthful. I will support you and stand up for you – you are my hero and the reason I am here.

“facilities at parliament”…

http://tinyurl.com/y9azb3l

BAE…

tinyurl.com/yjts2o2

I wonder why he changed his mind over the legality of the Iraq War …

http://tinyurl.com/yzrd3gr

The NeverEnding Story…

21 December, 2009

“Tony Blair helps Zurich Financial Services for £2 million”…

http://tinyurl.com/yk72k6h

Jan 25, 2010…

tinyurl.com/ygwvpjd

I meant to say before Craig, you use the sub heading sleaze for some topics.

Personally that seems to make light of the problem and should be given its real name, i.e. Corruption.

Cool. If you make headlines in the News of The Screws a bottle of bubbly to your door. This could get interesting.

It’s Lorraine Kelly I tells ya!

@George Dutton 12.36am

I wondered where he was.

From the Debevoise & Plimpton LLP website

‘Our lawyers are responsive, thoughtful, ethical and vigorous advocates with a substantive understanding of our clients’ business needs and the many marketplaces in which they compete.’

Quite.

Milord’s specialties are listed as Litigation

International Dispute Resolution; International Corporate Investigations and Defence

The firm seems to be riding a wave whilst companies and jobs are going to the wall and the economies of some countries are shot.

http://www.debevoise.com/newseventspubs/news/RepresentationList.aspx?type=viewall

A lawyers’ paradise. Cosy isn’t it.

A spokesperson for the attorney general, Lady Scotland, said today that Goldsmith had help preparing for his testimony from a barrister* contracted to work for him by the Treasury solicitors. In a statement, her office said that like other witnesses he had been provided with “basic legal support” as the inquiry originally proposed.

However, the statement added that Goldsmith had also received help from Whitehall lawyers who “in order to minimise costs contracted out some of the administrative assistance to a junior barrister”. That help had cost about £2,000, the statement added.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/27/goldsmith-iraq-war-chilcot-inquiry

*PS Anyone know who the barrister was?

Come off it Craig ; if you’ve been blagging expenses then we have a right to know. If not then what are you worried about? You , of all people , should be glad that we are able to get at this information. You could , of course , publish your expenses on your website. My local MP , Peter Soulsby , does just that.

Goldsmith and Blair – kurchink kurchink? yes George very poignant.

Haward , dearest, why should Craig be ‘blagging’ expenses, whilst all others on the court are applying to ‘receive’ them?

Do explain you tabloidal zest, this is not an MP but a rector of a university.

But, and here is a very tasty and succulent target, should you want to cast your eyes on to Newspaper editors and journalists, who also claim expenses and who do pay the odd snout for what they call,’newsworthy’ stories, then that would be long overdue.

Good on your local MP, again, such scrutiny was long in the coming, pity they had to be forced into action.

haward

Craig Murray…

http://tinyurl.com/pa96hq

An average MP…

tinyurl.com/yczjos3

Eliott Morley, Jim Devine, David Chayter and Lord Hanningfield will all face criminal proceedings. Two other cases ongoing.

I am only asking Craig why he is worried. If he has been blagging (by which I mean overclaiming) we have a right to know. Craig is making a mountain out of a molehill here. If he is honest (& he is) all is well & good. And he could , of course , like my local MP , publish the expenses he claims from we taxpayers.

My MP , by the way , was not forced into publication ; he did it long before the scandal (& I still won’t vote for him).

Where did I mention that others on Court “receive” expenses? I just did not say that.

Please don’t make it up. Craig can do that on his own

@haward – I guess you’re new here! I would wager that Craig would be entirely happy to publish his expenses. The point is not that FoI is being questioned – the point is that someone may be going on a (pointless) fishing expedition to discredit him.

Indeed, I am surprised that Craig has been willing to pay travel costs out of his own pocket – reasonable costs for travel are entirely claimable, I would have thought. Would you have a problem with that?

I am , by the way , also campaigning for an inquiry into Legg. This 75 year old career Government lawyer managed to spend 1,100,000 quid on his investigation. Seriously 1.1M to recover 1.2M. Awesome even by Whitehall standards of ineptitude & inefficiency. That , at 400 quid per hour , is 15 man years of work. Truly staggering. I want to know who did the work , how they were selected , what their terms of reference were.

How about it guys? Can we organise a campaign for an inquiry into Legg?

That should be Elliot Morley.

Only one other case is ongoing.

Lord Clarke of Hampstead will not be charged.

Jon ; your guess is just that. It is a guess. It is impertinent. Please take your ad hominem points & place them where the monkey placed his nuts.

As I have posted twice Craig could easily publish his expenses. I am not criticising him for not doing so. I only make the suggestion so that we can more easily verify his comment.

The FOI request is perfectly legitimate & Craig says he is clean. Then why the fuss?

haward, try to read this slowly, and maybe it’ll sink in. Craig is *not worried*: he raised this topic himself to show that others are trying to dig the dirt on him in order to undermine his credibility with an ad hominem attack. Remember there is a very interesting radio play coming up that could add considerable weight to criticisms in the Iraq Inquiry, so certain parties have an interest in mud-slinging. Moreover, it is abundantly clear that Craig has deliberately *underclaimed*. Throw that into your warped thinking.

You’re the one who’s trying to make a mountain (scandal) out of a wormhole, by just making up accusations. It’s an obvious distraction technique. So it’s a good example of the tactics Craig was highlighting in his message. QED.

“I am only asking Craig why he is worried”

haward

What gives you the impression that Craig is worried?. No one it seems but you thinks that.

“Indeed, I am surprised that Craig has been willing to pay travel costs out of his own pocket – reasonable costs for travel are entirely claimable”

Jon

I am staggered that Craig has paid out of his own pocket…To think the people of Norwich North missed out on having him as their MP.

Wow. The weirdos are out in force today. Logos says I am making accusations. He says I make an attack. That is all simply untrue. I have made no accusation no attack & no insinuation. No ad hominem comment (other than the one which says Craig can make it up on his own but I reckon I can prove that one).

He seems to think that I am trying to divert attention from Radio 4s Saturday Night play on Craig ; that is a barking fucking mad suggestion.

He asserts that my thinking is warped. Well ; if asking Craig to publish his expenses is warped thinking I am guilty.

I read the post quite slowly & I think that it is a tad hysterical. Is there a full moon tonight? Maybe it’s a relative or a creditor posting?

@haward – I don’t feel I’ve said anything rude to you, and logos does not appear to have demonstrated any “weirdness” either. Discussion here is usually to the point, and in most cases there is no intention to offend. However your unnecessary offensive language puts you in my “ignore list”.

well Jon if you think that making yourself known to me by the patronising introduction “I guess you’re new here..” wasn’t offensive and was to the point then that was an error on both counts. If it wasn’t meant to be offensive then I accpet that to be the case. logos can answer for Logos (unless you have two identities)

Umm, I’ve known Haward for over 30 year folks – he isn’t a troll.

Just had confirmation from the University Secretary that over 3 years my expenses totalled 1,120 pounds, and in the last 2 years I didn’t claim any. It’s going to be pretty hard for anyone to make a scandal out of those figures!

Oh bugger. Craig thinks he knows me. Truly the weirdos are out tonight. I told you he could make it up on his own.

Craig (whoever you are)

Your beatification committee has been wasting its time in finding error with me. As I suggested hours ago , and I knew that you would see the sense in this , publishing the data is all you needed to do. Thankyou for assessing my suggestion and finding that I was right all along. If my local Labour MP can do it so can you!

Meanwhile the werewolves can continue their preparation for the night ahead.

‘I don’t believe newspapers can file FOI requests. Only individuals.’

If someone on the payroll of a newspaper submits a FoIA request, good practice requires them to identify the organ employing them. If however the journo is a freelance, they are under no obligation to disclose who has offered the commission.

£1120 over 3 years..

That’s £7.17 per week.

My my haven’t you been quite the playboy!

@Haward: “I am , by the way , also campaigning for an inquiry into Legg.”

Sorry Haward, I may have missed something: what’s your other campaign concerned with? The court members of Dundee University?

Craig I have a Question, and that goes to Suhel sadi too.

How do you apply for expenses?

I am talking about the tax ones when you have to claim back what you spent on buses and stuff?

My wife is hiring a company to do it, and I think she is paying them more than she is saving.

Because they charge £15 per time sheet and she only spends about 4 £ a day on buses.

And then there is food I think it just about breaks even?

Isn’t there a way of doing that stuff yourself and saving the £15?

haward, FYI your messages have been loaded with insinuations.

“I am only asking Craig why he is worried.”

- You claimed that he’s worried, but the evidence suggests otherwise. You then set up a false implication that if he’s worried he must have been blagging, and challenge him to prove different. That qualifies as an accusation.

“Craig is making a mountain out of a molehill here.”

- Why would you write such an odd subjective assessment, if not to reinforce the insinuation.

“the expenses he claims from we taxpayers.”

- you assume the funding comes from taxpayers, but universities are independent institutions that receive funding from many different income streams in addition to subsidies.

All designed to manufacture a bogus insinuation out of nothing that Craig has been blagging from the taxpayer.

And your callous insults are not welcome. If you took such a persistently antagonistic attitude in any social company, you could expect to be admonished and told where to go. You suggested one such place yourself. Please go there promptly.

Off topic but……

Memo ‘shows Blair Iraq war deal with Bush’

Tony Blair denied striking a ‘covert’ deal with President Bush

The leader of Plaid Cymru’s MPs has said he has a memo showing Tony Blair and George Bush struck a secret deal to invade Iraq a year before the 2003 war.

Elfyn Llwyd told the BBC’s Straight Talk he had written to Iraq Inquiry chair Sir John Chilcot to say he would be prepared to hand the document over.

He said the memo, which is marked “Top Secret and Confidential” contradicted statements made by Mr Blair.

Mr Blair previously told the inquiry he made no “covert” deal with Mr Bush.

Mr Llwyd, who in 2004 launched a campaign to impeach the then prime minister for misleading Parliament over the war, said he could not be specific about what was in the memo, which he “believed” was American in origin.

“I’ve not shown it to anybody to try, because I, frankly, I didn’t want to be in any position where I was accused of undermining anything that was going on at the time,” he told interviewer Andrew Neil.

continues/….

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8501131.stm

Two important articles…

http://tinyurl.com/ycu95qm

tinyurl.com/y8rwx9s

George Dutton,

thanks for the second link. It’s ironic that Craig Mundie of Microsoft is calling for regulation, when Microsoft make by far the least secure operating systems, that even seem to have deliberate insecurities built into them.

There is a way that ordinary users could support much of the Internet on their own machines, making the Internet impossible to shut down. The problem would be persuading enough people to join in.

From George’s second link:

“Mundie (of Microsoft) and other experts have said there is a growing need to police the internet to clampdown on fraud, espionage and the spread of viruses.”

But only Microsoft products are susceptible to viruses. And virus infection is involved in most frauds.

Gary McKinnon, the British hacker facing extradition to the US for breaking into American military computer systems said in a BBC interview: “I found out that the US military use Windows and having realised this, I assumed it would probably be an easy hack if they hadn’t secured it properly.”

“But only Microsoft products are susceptible to viruses. And virus infection is involved in most frauds.”

Clark

tinyurl.com/yjllwqh

http://tinyurl.com/ygsvm43

Hi George,

non-windows systems are not invulnerable, but they are far more difficult to infect. The main problem is Javascript, whereby the browser can be compromised. However, the OS is protected. Yes, anti-virus companies encourage Mac users to buy their products, but Apple say that anti-virus software is unnecessary:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/security/

Infection spread is the key. An infected Windows PC can infect many others. If an infected system is, on average, likely to infect less than one other system, the infection will die out rather than spread.

I believe that Windows is insecure by deliberate design, to help keep the masses scared of the Internet, and to facilitate organised crime.

Clark

http://tinyurl.com/yknbuh2

anon poster at 2,47pm

sorry, I have no idea

6 February 2010

“MPs vow to fight expenses charges”

“Lawyers for the three Labour MPs facing charges over their expense claims say their cases should be dealt with by Parliament rather than the police.”…

http://tinyurl.com/yzk9wg9

Well Logos. Assuuming that we two were having a conversation with Craig & he said that there was an FOI request for the expenses of Court Members I would say to him that if he was blagging we had a right to know & that he could easily remedy the situation by publishing. You might then have interjected by asserting that I was trying to divert attention from the Saturday Night play. I can assure you that I would have told you that you were barking mad and I would probably have taken a good look at the moon for dramatic effect. Maybe that would cause offence in certain effete dinner party circles but I think that would result in considerable amusement in the social circles in which Craig moves and those in which I move (they are different but they do overlap).

I can see , by the way , that one could read my posts as insinuation. One could also read them as telling Craig how to solve the problem & preempt a newspaper from running a headline saying that they were investigating his expenses. I think the latter is preferable. It was my intention. And he did it the way I suggested. The reason that I phrased it the way I did is that Craig thrives on melodrama & I was merely noting that I had spotted this.

haward: yes, if my interjection had suddenly diverted a dinner table conversation like that, it would indeed have been a bizarre non-sequitur. But in fact I was making a conjecture about why someone had lodged an FOI request at this point in time. It was hardly a non-sequitur: recall that in Craig’s message he mused, “Now why might they want to do that?”

In any case, the play was mentioned to explain why people might be trying to dig the dirt now, and wasn’t an suggestion about why you were making insinuations. I think these points are quite clear if you read the message slowly enough.

I’m glad the barking has stopped.

05 Feb 2010

“MPs’ expenses: Jim Devine”

Video…

http://tinyurl.com/yald5ad

Maybe you should go on the Andrew Marr Show and cry.

There should be lobbying for getting Blair, Straw and Campbell into a Nuremberg style war crimes court. After that the MPs expenses nonsense needs to be put to bed. Then we need to sort out the BBC.

Where do the justifiable claims for a few train tickets to/from Dundee feature on the Richter Scale? Simple answer: nowhere, except as a distraction.

8 February 2010

“Harman on MP expenses: ‘No-one is above the law’”…

http://tinyurl.com/ygwnyfh

‘No-one is above the law’…You couldn’t make it up.