Do we know for sure that he (or the Labour Party) did not pay for it?

MJ probably a safe assumption given they are scum.

If Blair and the cowboy were to put a value on his life as they must have done before deciding to bomb other people, would the protection be justifiable? I doubt it.

Is he having protection from a citizen’s arrest?

Protecting this creature is obscene, and an affront to those, made complicit in his murderous wars.

Sedgefield constituency Nulabour should be ashamed of itself, for receiving this misbegotten Pied-Piper of international corporate murder.

If Britain is to recover, in any way at all, it needs to settle accounts with those who have abused the power of government and usurped the conscionable mandate of the British people.

The police protect against trouble, and those of their ranks who are involved in Blair’s security probably dislike him just as much as you. They are after all the thin blue line of the law, and most of them probably can tell a criminal when they see one. They are just as powerless as you or I to do anything about it. And money talks, without funds being transferred.

Same reason, I suspect, that when the Bilderbergs come to town the entire state security apparatus of police, military and spooks are co-opted to provide security for them.

This is what happened at the last Bilderberg meeting in Athens, 2009:

‘The surroundings of the Astir Palace, a luxury hotel in the suburban resort of Vouliagmeni, where the group is holding its annual meeting, were protected by dozens of policemen, who were keeping the press and public at bay, an AFP journalist said.

A Greek navy launch and boats carrying elite divers could be seen a few meters off the coast of the peninsula where the hotel stands. Greek newspapers said the group had also asked for the protection of two F-16 warplanes and a police helicopter.

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200905140722dowjonesdjonline000365

Two F-16s? Who paid for all that?

Given your labelling of Blair as a “war criminal” can we presume that you no longer believe in the presumption of innocence? Very Liberal (democrat)? How long before you statrt calling for a fatwa?

“when the Bilderbergs come to town the entire state security apparatus of police, military and spooks are co-opted to provide security for them”

But the Bilderbergers do at least pay for the extra policing themselves.

@ Stephen

Anyone is entitled to hold the view that Blair is a war criminal. There’s plenty of evidence that supports that view. Indeed it’s a view I hold myself.

One is entitled to a presumption of innocence when one is appearing before a court, but no one is entitled to be presumed innocent when they will never be appearing before a court, particularly when the evidence against them is so damning.

I hope that clears it up for you.

The large police presence isolates Blair from the non-adoring public. Thanks to ArrestBlair.org, The Great Statesman has already been subject to 2 attempts at a citizen’s arrest. This must be incredibly irritating for someone who has done so much for the cause of “democracy and freedom” in the world. He has probably spun it as a “security threat” to justify beefed-up protection. But what happens when he travels overseas? What if some “super-judge” like Garcon issues an arrest warrant? Maybe this is why Blair refuses to retreat from public view. The moment he becomes yesterday’s man, he is danger of being scooped up just like Pinochet and no one will give a damn.

‘But the Bilderbergers do at least pay for the extra policing themselves.’

Really? They pay for the jet fighter patrol? Even if they did, what the hell right do they as private individuals have to hire the Greek air force for the weekend?

£6m pa accordoing to this and then £270k

for his appearance at the Chilcot farce.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6874145/Tony-Blair-costs-British-taxpayers-6m-a-year-to-protect.html

This psychopath should be standing in the dock at The Hague.

Blair haven’t been the prime minister before, deserves to be protected. You know the role he played in the Iraqi war. If he is not protected adequately and something happens to him would you be happy?

“They pay for the jet fighter patrol?”

Possibly not, but certainly the policing.

“If he is not protected adequately and something happens to him would you be happy?”

Blissfully so.

Anyone is entitled to hold the view that Blair is a war criminal.

Of course they are – but they cannot also believe that people are innocent until proven guilty.

Nice I dislike Blair as much as the next man, but hes not a war criminal!

he went to war based on the legal opinion of Lord Goldsmith, which sorta gives him a get out of jail card…..

Oldham Athletic have to pay the Police for the security and protection of everyone involved, even if Manchester United turn up and get beaten. Its not a case of winner takes all, and whoever lost has got to pay the bill.

With regards to our Scottish Arch War Criminal, I think it completely appropriate that the State – ie us Taxpayers pay for his incarceration, security and prosecution costs, after he has been arrested, and if his trial results in him spending the rest of his life in jail, then we should pay for that as well.

However, there is absolutely no reason, if he is found guilty of War Crimes Against Humanity, that the judge should not also impose a fine, that would confiscate all his (and his family’s) assets to the State. Our Prosecution and Incarcerations costs as Taxpayers would then be refunded.

The judge could not however, in any way impose a penalty that would recompense the entire World for the damage that Anthony Charles Lynton Blair has done.

I simply do not understand why he has not already been arrested.

What exactly is the problem in preventing this from happenning?

Tony

If everyone believed that everyone else was innocent until proven guilty who would carry out prosecutions?

The CPS?

@ Stephen

“Anyone is entitled to hold the view that Blair is a war criminal.

Of course they are – but they cannot also believe that people are innocent until proven guilty.”

Of course they can.

They’re two different things. One is a view and the other is a court procedure. Otherwise, according to you, no one could hold a view about anyone or any thing unless the matter had been determined by a court.

So what you’re arguing is in fact quite silly.

“he went to war based on the legal opinion of Lord Goldsmith, which sorta gives him a get out of jail card…..”

Not quite. There’s compelling evidence that Goldsmith was leaned on.

I think Gideon nails it well. Liberals, and most visitors here, do believe in the presumption of innocence. But this approach requires that the person in question is put forward for prosecution or stands a good chance of being put forward, on the strength of the available evidence.

There is the temptation to want something bad to happen to Blair, which I think liberals must not succumb to. I was disappointed that we were not recently able to prevent a convicted killer from being stabbed in prison, and if that rule is to be applied, we must apply it fairly.

KingofWelshNoir ?” When one hears that prominent in-groups have paid for a government service, one always has to ask did they pay the full (real) cost of the services or just a token cost for PR purposes.

All I want is that Blair is given the opportunity to establish his innocence before a court of law rather than a vapid, powerless inquiry.

Blair isn’t just a war criminal, he is a traitor. While acting as head of state he served Israel and only Israel.

Similarly, when Charlie Skelton spent a week reporting for the Guardian at the last Bilderberg conference he was repeatedly harassed, threatened, followed and intimidated by the police – both in uniform and plain clothes. His was basically a ‘humorous’ piece – at least it started off as one. He wasn’t laughing by the end of the week. If the Bilderbergers paid for the ‘extra policing’ they obviously received special rates.

“Nice I dislike Blair as much as the next man, but hes not a war criminal!

he went to war based on the legal opinion of Lord Goldsmith, which sorta gives him a get out of jail card…..”

Don’t be silly. Hitler had his government lawyers who said the invasion of Poland was legal and in self defence.

All it shows is that Goldsmith is a war criminal too.

Gideon, John, MJ – yes.

Whether Blair “is” a criminal is a thing that there are procedures for establishing; our opinions as to the possible outcome of such a process are just that (and worth every penny we paid for them, as they say).

The opinion that such a trial is necessary, is something else rather more meaningful.

“Conspiracy to commit a breach of the peace”, for example …

Surely Blair’s book tours and so on, not to mention his numerous lucrative enterprises, are nothing less than profiting from crime?

He could be prosecuted for proceeds obtained from America under these statutes:

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2002/olrdata/jud/rpt/2002-r-0809.htm

This Home Office document appears to suggest a citizen can get a percentage of the proceeds by blowing the whistle on him, and that Blair’s assets can indeed be seized:

http://press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-releases/tough-measure-stop-profit-crime.html

As far as Goldsmith’s “legal advice” is concerned, this is no better than the Mafia getting the nod from their legal stooge. Subsequently claiming innocence on the grounds of acting upon legal advice has not been found to be a convincing argument in court.

“While acting as head of state he served Israel and only Israel.”

I agree Arsalan and Craig’s description of ‘chief Zionist’ is particularly astute.

Interestingly David Cameron has also pledged to slavishly serve Israel. Many of the original members of WebCameron including myself saw the connection in discussions via comments on the link between Friends of Israel and the Conservative party shortly before the frustrating demise and sudden termination of Cameron’s ‘secret weapon’ – WebCameron.

Let this be a warning of what will happen if the Conservatives gain power.

Webcameron began in 2006 as the Conservative Leader’s direct appeal to the British voter to see him not as an Eton and Oxford educated politician of privilege, but as an honest, hardworking family man who had the interests of common people at heart. All lies.

Cameron talks recently of diverting power from Whitehall to local groups headed up by natural leaders from your neighbourhoods. All lies.

I leave you with some comments from founding members (thanks to ‘WebCameron rejects’)

People are finding their way around now but are getting restless with the lack of information and, of course, interaction, the whole point of WebCameron.

Also, the reaction from the site to the Evening Standard is still leaving a nasty aftertaste; I still don’t understand what really went on. And will Smokie ever be able to post about pistols?

BUT the Ask David feature had become a total farce and I’m glad it’s gone.

Little did we realise how appropriate the name ‘Webcameron Rejects’ was to become.

Though I can just about understand why DC did what he did (malice aforethought) the discourtesy will not be forgiven.

But much, much worse is to use the name to advertise the Conservative home site. As the taxpayer paid for his site I hope he has the wisdom to pay the money back.

It’s very sad that DC couldn’t find the time to say good-bye to us properly – and perhaps thank us for our contributions.

Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject:

I think the implementation was wrong – bang! all of a sudden a new site[WebCameron makeover], and I think he should have answered the questions[ask Cameron] that were voted for before it changed.

“Surely Blair’s book tours and so on, not to mention his numerous lucrative enterprises, are nothing less than profiting from crime?”

Sequestration of assets certainly sounds like a good idea. But given that the man has been instrumental in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents, proportionality in the punishment seems impossible to find. Perhaps he should be parachuted into Iraq or Afghanistan to explain his case to those he attacked. Goldsmith, Brown, Hoon and Straw could go along to help.

Why not legislation in accordance with which those who give rise to the probability of a breach of the peace when they appear in public are required to cover the cost of whatever protection the police deem it necessary to provide.

Blair should have no difficulty covering such costs. Less well-remunerated anti-social elements would have to consider staying at home.

Craig is right. In fact, Nu Labour should be re-dubbed The War Criminal branch of the Labour Party.

all the above comments about the arrest of blair depends on a real functioning democracy with a truly independent legal and police system. Dream On Liberals! This is not such a place and the facade which used to lend that opinion has been smashed since blair got shafted at george W’s ranch. Now we no longer pretend we have democracy, we know we don’t but no one seems to care and that is the annoying thing about it. Until the chavs and benefit scroungers take to the streets and smash the place up a bit when their state hand-outs are stopped, we are going to have to grin and bear it. Even then nothing will really change in the United Kingdom until there truly is a real crisis or full scale revolution. Sadly politicians are never going to sort it out for us (all bought and paid for) and nither will writing in these bloggs…. now them time for a cuppa and a digestive…

The only fitting punishment for Blair and his bunch is bringing back the treason laws.

He is a traitor, so should receive a traitors punishment.

So is it fair to say that everyone here, including Craig, wants Israel wiped off the map?

I don’t mean to force anyone into a false dichotomy, but you collectively already have some rather strange beliefs …

@Park Keeper: “Now we no longer pretend we have democracy”

We, who it could be said are on the fringes of political punditry, do not pretend we have a democracy, true. But “we” as a society still do pretend this – in fact it is very much still regarded as a democracy by mainstream media standards. But this sort of self-delusion is nothing new.

I would rather hope that in a revolution, it will involve all sections and classes of society, so it can pass without bloodshed. If it is just the “chavs and benefit scroungers” then it might not achieve much at all, and will meet significant, violent state oppression.

@Arsalan: a traitor’s punishment is a long time in prison. We oppose state murder elsewhere, so it pays to be consistent

I have a better suggestion. Take away all his police protection, give him a sharp stick and tell him to watch his back.

Jon

I’m sure we can make an exception for Blair?

Or maybe we can extraordinaryily rendition him to a country which still has the traditional punishment for traitors?

Larry, we all agree that Apatite in what you call Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth, just as Apatite in South Africa was wiped off the map.

The land will still be there, the people may still be there, but we all agree that the racism you support should be wiped away.

Zionism is racism. Israel is Racism. What should remain is what was there before the Zionist take invasion.

The Zionist may choose to remain after the racist state is removed, but it will be as citizens and not as masters.

I think you would call that Anti-Semitism ?

Am I right Larry?

Arsalan, so you want the Turks back?

i would say Blair gets the protection he deserves! the reason other prime ministers and certain royals deserve less is because they are not targets in the same way as TB is. He really really must be hated and in a way that people on here can not understand. I guess he will be kept safe while on UK land but outside of this he must be very vulnerable. He has paid a price in personal freedom but has been handsomly rewarded for his trouble.

as for the illusion of democracy, most of the public in the UK have been well protected at home from foreign foes and have benefited indirectly from overseas military adventures in one way or another. we put up with it because we have much better standards of living than many in the world and so we are essentially bribed to keep stumm, good old british hypocisy at work once more. actually i dont think there will be a revolution, the british are too fat, lazy, docile and brainwashed to give a damm, there we have it…

arsalan – no, no exceptions, to my mind. I was disappointed that the UK went ahead with the killing of Saddam Hussein, regardless of his abominable crimes – because the UK does not, in theory, support capital punishment. I suspect the UK may have made some weak representations to the US, and got nowhere.

So, if it was wrong to kill Hussein – I think all state murder is wrong – then I think it would be wrong to kill Blair. In any case, I would want Blair to have considerable time behind bars to consider the enormity of what he has done, and the international hatred and divisions he has aroused. He can’t do that all that well if he is dead – afterlife beliefs excepted of course!

Park Keeper said,

..”Even then nothing will really change in the United Kingdom until there truly is a real crisis or full scale revolution. Sadly politicians are never going to sort it out for us (all bought and paid for) and nither will writing in these bloggs…”

Surely most revolutions have been influenced by writers and today because of technology we have an advantage. Of course, governments realise this and plant commentators to try and disrupt blogs.

People make comments that bloggers and commentators are armchair dissenters/revolutionaries. But they haven’t been tested. Once they experience oppression first hand I believe they’ll react. They’ll know that hundreds and thousands of people feel the same and this will empower them.

It’s all just a matter of time.

@Park Keeper. Your racism does not win you any arguments. We “put up with it” (i.e. the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) because we are largely powerless to do anything about them. Not that people didn’t try: we had a million people march in London prior to the war in 2003, and it went ahead anyway.

If you are interested in having a civil conversation with people here, feel free to explain your angle. For example: was the war in Iraq legal, in your view, and is it permissible to break international law in certain circumstances?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/29/jack-straw-labours-great-survivor

On another war criminal, hypocrite and election fraudster. See Craig’s previous on BAE, Blackburn and Lord Taylor.

As I asked before what hold does the man of Straw have within NuLabour? He isn’t there on merit.

Jon I think the death penalty is one of the issues which the both of us will always disagree. I actually believe a quick death is better than a lifetime behind bars. But if that is the case, maybe you are right, he should be imprisoned. But not the white colour prisons, let him spend the rest of his very long life in Belmarsh, with the same conditions which he gave to the so called detainees.

Larry would I accept the Turks? Yes I’d accept anyone but you.

Larry I don’t want Zionist racism wiped out of the face of the Earth for some Nationalist reason. Just because you are a racist, don’t think everyone else is.

If it isn’t obvious to you by now, I’m not an Arab. I’m against Israel existence because the existence of Israel is wrong.

And we Muslims couldn’t careless about the race of a ruler. Turk, African Native American, who cares, all of us are the Children of Adam.

You can’t see this because you don’t believe in Adam. All you believe in is Zionist racism, your own superiority and the inferiority of others.

The carbuncle of puss that was Mrs Thatcher was eventually changed from within her own party. The same with Blair. Mrs T and Blair will never understand how much their policies were hated and they will repeat them again and again on special occasions however much their policies have been discredited.

Complete financial collapse is the direct but delayed outcome of Mrs T’s monumental stupidity. Total disrespect for this country in a world dominated by by Asia will be the outcome of Mr B’s monumental stupidity in a few years time.

Life carries on in spite of the executive vandalism of politicians. What will deter the next idiot, if the last ones go unpunished? Only the realisation of their predecessors’ failures. That is our role. We have to win the argument that reckless abandonment of public consultation always fails. It is an achievable goal.

Larry said:

So is it fair to say that everyone here, including Craig, wants Israel wiped off the map?

This is a loaded question. How about “want the apartheid state dismantled”?

That Israel discriminates between people on the basis of perceived race cannot be denied. For example, someone of perceived Jewish race from anywhere in the world is free to immigrate there but a Palestinian whose family lived there for many generations before being ethnically cleansed is not allowed to return.

Was Apartheid South Africa “wiped off the map”?

By the way I put “perceived race” because it is likely that most of the people identified as Jewish have less chance of being biological descendants of the inhabitants of ancient Judea than the Palestinians who were kicked out by Zionism. They are in fact more likely to be biological descendants of converts to the religion of Judaism, which actively welcomed such converts in many times and places.

Real Labour must: Nationalise the Blairs’ without compensation. If they want protection–the State should show compassion and loan them blunt pen-knives.

Simple Larry should be wiped off the map. Or at least the blog.

This is by Far The Best Thing I Have Read Today

Good-Bye: Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It

by Paul Craig Roberts

There was a time when the pen was mightier than the sword. That was a time when people believed in truth and regarded truth as an independent power and not as an auxiliary for government, class, race, ideological, personal, or financial interest.

Today Americans are ruled by propaganda. Americans have little regard for truth, little access to it, and little ability to recognize it.

Truth is an unwelcome entity. It is disturbing. It is off limits. Those who speak it run the risk of being branded “anti-American,” “anti-semite” or “conspiracy theorist.”

Truth is an inconvenience for government and for the interest groups whose campaign contributions control government.

Truth is an inconvenience for prosecutors who want convictions, not the discovery of innocence or guilt.

Truth is inconvenient for ideologues.

Today many whose goal once was the discovery of truth are now paid handsomely to hide it. “Free market economists” are paid to sell offshoring to the American people. High-productivity, high value-added American jobs are denigrated as dirty, old industrial jobs. Relicts from long ago, we are best shed of them. Their place has been taken by “the New Economy,” a mythical economy that allegedly consists of high-tech white collar jobs in which Americans innovate and finance activities that occur offshore. All Americans need in order to participate in this “new economy” are finance degrees from Ivy League universities, and then they will work on Wall Street at million dollar jobs.

Economists who were once respectable took money to contribute to this myth of “the New Economy.”

And not only economists sell their souls for filthy lucre. Recently we have had reports of medical doctors who, for money, have published in peer-reviewed journals concocted “studies” that hype this or that new medicine produced by pharmaceutical companies that paid for the “studies.”

The Council of Europe is investigating the drug companies’ role in hyping a false swine flu pandemic in order to gain billions of dollars in sales of the vaccine.

The media helped the US military hype its recent Marja offensive in Afghanistan, describing Marja as a city of 80,000 under Taliban control. It turns out that Marja is not urban but a collection of village farms.

And there is the global warming scandal, in which NGOs. the UN, and the nuclear industry colluded in concocting a doomsday scenario in order to create profit in pollution.

Wherever one looks, truth has fallen to money.

Wherever money is insufficient to bury the truth, ignorance, propaganda, and short memories finish the job.

I remember when, following CIA director William Colby’s testimony before the Church Committee in the mid-1970s, presidents Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan issued executive orders preventing the CIA and U.S. black-op groups from assassinating foreign leaders. In 2010 the US Congress was told by Dennis Blair, head of national intelligence, that the US now assassinates its own citizens in addition to foreign leaders.

When Blair told the House Intelligence Committee that US citizens no longer needed to be arrested, charged, tried, and convicted of a capital crime, just murdered on suspicion alone of being a “threat,” he wasn’t impeached. No investigation pursued. Nothing happened. There was no Church Committee. In the mid-1970s the CIA got into trouble for plots to kill Castro. Today it is American citizens who are on the hit list. Whatever objections there might be don’t carry any weight. No one in government is in any trouble over the assassination of U.S. citizens by the U.S. government.

As an economist, I am astonished that the American economics profession has no awareness whatsoever that the U.S. economy has been destroyed by the offshoring of U.S. GDP to overseas countries. U.S. corporations, in pursuit of absolute advantage or lowest labor costs and maximum CEO “performance bonuses,” have moved the production of goods and services marketed to Americans to China, India, and elsewhere abroad. When I read economists describe offshoring as free trade based on comparative advantage, I realize that there is no intelligence or integrity in the American economics profession.

Intelligence and integrity have been purchased by money. The transnational or global U.S. corporations pay multi-million dollar compensation packages to top managers, who achieve these “performance awards” by replacing U.S. labor with foreign labor. While Washington worries about “the Muslim threat,” Wall Street, U.S. corporations and “free market” shills destroy the U.S. economy and the prospects of tens of millions of Americans.

Americans, or most of them, have proved to be putty in the hands of the police state.

Americans have bought into the government’s claim that security requires the suspension of civil liberties and accountable government. Astonishingly, Americans, or most of them, believe that civil liberties, such as habeas corpus and due process, protect “terrorists,” and not themselves. Many also believe that the Constitution is a tired old document that prevents government from exercising the kind of police state powers necessary to keep Americans safe and free.

Most Americans are unlikely to hear from anyone who would tell them any different.

I was associate editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal. I was Business Week’s first outside columnist, a position I held for 15 years. I was columnist for a decade for Scripps Howard News Service, carried in 300 newspapers. I was a columnist for the Washington Times and for newspapers in France and Italy and for a magazine in Germany. I was a contributor to the New York Times and a regular feature in the Los Angeles Times. Today I cannot publish in, or appear on, the American “mainstream media.”

For the last six years I have been banned from the “mainstream media.” My last column in the New York Times appeared in January, 2004, coauthored with Democratic U.S. Senator Charles Schumer representing New York. We addressed the offshoring of U.S. jobs. Our op-ed article produced a conference at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. and live coverage by C-Span. A debate was launched. No such thing could happen today.

For years I was a mainstay at the Washington Times, producing credibility for the Moony newspaper as a Business Week columnist, former Wall Street Journal editor, and former Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. But when I began criticizing Bush’s wars of aggression, the order came down to Mary Lou Forbes to cancel my column.

The American corporate media does not serve the truth. It serves the government and the interest groups that empower the government.

America’s fate was sealed when the public and the anti-war movement bought the government’s 9/11 conspiracy theory. The government’s account of 9/11 is contradicted by much evidence. Nevertheless, this defining event of our time, which has launched the US on interminable wars of aggression and a domestic police state, is a taboo topic for investigation in the media. It is pointless to complain of war and a police state when one accepts the premise upon which they are based.

These trillion dollar wars have created financing problems for Washington’s deficits and threaten the U.S. dollar’s role as world reserve currency. The wars and the pressure that the budget deficits put on the dollar’s value have put Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block. Former Goldman Sachs chairman and U.S. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson is after these protections for the elderly. Fed chairman Bernanke is also after them. The Republicans are after them as well. These protections are called “entitlements” as if they are some sort of welfare that people have not paid for in payroll taxes all their working lives.

With over 21 per cent unemployment as measured by the methodology of 1980, with American jobs, GDP, and technology having been given to China and India, with war being Washington’s greatest commitment, with the dollar over-burdened with debt, with civil liberty sacrificed to the “war on terror,” the liberty and prosperity of the American people have been thrown into the trash bin of history.

The militarism of the U.S. and Israeli states, and Wall Street and corporate greed, will now run their course. As the pen is censored and its might extinguished, I am signing off.

Paul Craig Roberts was an editor of the Wall Street Journal and an Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. His latest book, HOW THE ECONOMY WAS LOST, has just been published by CounterPunch/AK Press. He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18339

“By the way I put “perceived race” because it is likely that most of the people identified as Jewish have less chance of being biological descendants of the inhabitants of ancient Judea than the Palestinians who were kicked out by Zionism. They are in fact more likely to be biological descendants of converts to the religion of Judaism, which actively welcomed such converts in many times and places”

What the fuck does that matter? Usually I only see such things written in Neo-Nazi propaganda.

Well its back, and because his new place ain’t sorted yet, it is in our house.

Both cabinets have been almost completely dismantled…

So far as we can tell after initial testing and diagnosis, is about half the parts are totally fucked and will need to be replaced…

What surprised us is all this kit is so young – like less than 5 years old since manufacture…

The good news is that the half of the parts that are fucked, are really cheap to replace compared to, the rest of it which includes the high value parts which seem to be in perfect working order…

Of course the reconstruction will take a bit of time and hard work – but my lad and I can do the work for Free in our spare time….

The end product should be fully functional and is not for sale…

It will be used, when the Electricity Board Fucks Up

I have never seen so many lead acid batteries in my life, but only half of the little ones seem to be fucked. All the Big Ones seem 100% and should last for about another 7 years. The half of the little ones which seem O.K., may last another 5 years if we are lucky.

Hopefully My Son’s Business Will Last For The Rest of His Life…and keep Him From Starving after we have gone.

It was O.K. driving the lorry, but loading the kit was a total pain in the arse. It took Four of us, including the fucking crane (street lifter)

Tony

Tony we have already discussed that GR piece (why didn’t you just give an extract or the link?) LfStL called Roberts a nutter by the way.

Larry

“Usually I only see such things written in Neo-Nazi propaganda.”

Yes and we see it in Zionist sites.

NeoNazis and Zionists use the same justification.

They are the same.

In the UK they work togeather.

Because they are the same

They believe in the same things.

Larry, you are a Neo Nazi, and you are a Zionist.

http://www.alternet.org/

Why are we giving Larry and the other Zionist bastards so much attention?

Lets discuss the topic instead of discussing Racist Zionist bastards.

I believe the reason why Blair used tax payers money for his own security instead of the hords he had stolen while priminister is his greed.

He has stolen so much, and taken so much as bribes from Zionists for his wars against humanity, paying for six extra security officers would have meant nothing to him. but he didn’t because he he can get us to pay for it.

You would think the Zionists would have no interest in pasting on this thread. This thread is more about Blair the theiving bastard and little about Blair the war monger or blair the America puppet or Blair the rabbid Zionist. But the Zionists are here, both Larry and Larry with a knew name.

Why?

Because an attack on Blair is an Attack on Israel. This is because Blair only acts for Israel!

The fact that only the Zionists are defending him, gives you an indication of just what a Zionist Blair is.

I think what we have to remember is Blair, Larry and the other Zionists don’t just support what the Zionists are doing in Afghanistan. They support all evil.

including this one:

As hundreds of concerned citizens hold a Day of Remembrance in Pakistan to commemorate the seventh anniversary of her disappearance, the Justice for Aafia Coalition reveal for the first time, in the English language, specific harrowing details of the abuse Aafia Siddiqui was forced to endure in the years spent in secret detention.

During the course of an interview by Kamran Shahid on Pakistan’s Front Line, screened 26th March, Siddiqui’s mother and sister described publicly for the first time the various forms of torture she underwent at the hands of US agents. This included being:

forcefully stripped by six men and then repeatedly sexually abused

beaten with rifle butts until she bled

bound to a bed, with her hands and feet tied whilst unspecified forms of torture were administered to the soles of her feet and head

injected with unknown substances

dragged by her hair

having her hairs pulled out one by one

forced to walk on the Qu’ran which had been desecrated in her cell whilst naked

Maryam Hassan, founder of the Justice for Aafia Coalition (JFAC), commented:

“These most recent horrific revelations shine a light for the first time on years of detention shrouded until now in darkness and mystery. Forced nudity, violent sexual abuse, the desecration of the Qu’ran, video-taped torture sessions have become infamous hallmarks of US detention since the start of the War on Terror, from Bagram to Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

The Obama administration must immediately disclose any video evidence in its possession relating to Ms Siddiqui’s detention and torture. The American public has a right to know what is being carried out in its name as much as the Pakistani public are deserving of knowing the horrendous abuse one of their citizens has been subjected to. “

Here is the full transcript of the interview.

http://justiceforaafia.org/attachments/477_JFAC%20Transcript%20Translation%20Front%20Line%20Interview.pdf

Mark

David Cameron looks to me like a cyber character in second life software. Sudden disconnection of contact is a warning that the groomed face is just an electronic illusion. You have to remember that just because the face moves and the voice articulates opinions and even emotions, this is all the product of sophisticated animation.

Tony Blair, George Bush and Gordon Brown were real faces, manipulated by animation software, but David Cameron is the first of a pure fantasy animation world. His policy promises are fantasy, they will all be broken; his loyalty to Israel is pure fantasy, Israel is controlling him; his opposition to New Labour is pure fantasy, like the multiple voices this blog’s trolls.

David Cameron is a selection of recorded answers on an automated customer services line. The real Tory party is up to its neck in everything Paul Craig Roberts described in the US. Like Tony Baldry. They are Global banking hard power and the Terror War on Islam combined in one. As for communication and consultation, the only thing different from New Labour is that instead of talking to a brick wall, we will be talking to a 24 hour, interactive computer screen.

What people don’t understand is Larry’s Zionist don’t just torture men, they do the same to women and children.

Christians discriminated against, bishops warn

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8591331.stm

Maybe at Least The Roman Catholics need discriminating against. I was a former Roman Catholic Altar Boy, and although they didn’t mess with my body, they seriously messed with my mind

http://www.alternet.org/rights/146239/dissident_catholic_bishop_calls_for_pope_to_resign_over_sex_abuse_scandal

I’m sorry. I just don’t get it.

This article talks about “the Vatican strongly defended its decision not to defrock” people where there is enormous evidence of the most appalling abuse of Children, by those in a Position of Trust.

You can’t get much worse than that. What gives these people protection from the full force of the law?

What the hell difference does it make who they work for?

It shouldn’t be a case of Priests being defrocked. I couldn’t give a toss what job they do, except if they are in a Position of Trust their Crime is even worse, because they have not just committed a crime against a Child, they have committed a Crime against CARE.

If we can’t trust those we entrust to Care, then we can’t trust anyone. Society as a whole completely breaks down. If you can’t trust a Teacher in School, then you can’t send your Children to School. If you can’t trust a Doctor or Nurse in Hospital, then you can’t go to hospital when you need Medical Treatment.

Without Trust Society Does Not Work.

When that Trust is Broken, If Their Are No Consequences, Then We All Go To Hell.

We Shouldn’t be talking about defrocking these Criminals. There are many who believe in Capital Punishment for such Crimes. I do not believe in the Death Penalty. I think it is much too kind.

Tony

anno,

I tried Second Life a few years ago, and thought it was incredibly impressive…

Within an hour I was talking live to a real person who claimed to be a local girl living not far from me, who told me about her life, and was about to go out with her boyfriend to a pub less than 5 miles away.

I thought this was rather scary, because we met in a virtual disco, and I quite fancied her avatar.

So the next day, we were talking again, and I resigned and have never looked back, though I still get emails from second life.

I have absolutely no idea who or what she was. Whilst she seemed very real, it is entirely possible she was a very clever piece of software ….er or…….or a prostitute

But it is entirely possible she was a completely real genuine person and telling me the truth and just wanted a chat with an old man.

Maybe she liked my Avatar

Tony

@ Ruth,

well I hope you are right for all our sakes and that change will happen for the good. My experience of human nature in britain is that folks look after themselves and family first and foremost and the wider aspects of geo-politics don’t concern them at all. I expect this will increase as the economy gets worse in the years to come and life gets harder if this indeed comes to pass.

@ Jon

nothing to do with racism really, i was aware of the protest in London and considered going however i knew perfectly well that the invasion would go ahead because bascially they were after the oil in Iraq as other sources were either running out or unreliable. Whether it was legal or not is for lawyers to debate, personally i think it was and continues to be wrong in a moral sense. I am saddened that the british government has decided to go and mug other less well armed countries in order to get a financial gain. I thought that ended with the british empire.

Gideon @ March 31, 2010 1:59 PM

You are playing with semantics – yes whether a person is a criminal or not can be a view, but some of us believe that in a democracy criminality should be a fact established by due legal process rather than by mob rule. If you hadn’t noticed some people here want protection to be removed from a former Prime Minister, which he receives on advice from the Police rather than as a personal request, so that their friends can be free to deliver some self administered justice. Even those who are charged woith the most heinous crimes usually receive protection from the mob in civilised countries. And then there are those charming people who want to confiscate all Blair’s “proceeds of crime” and seriously think that they have the legal power to do so, even though he has not yet been charged let alone convicted of any crime.

Pardon me, but such behaviour runs counter to any notion of liberalism of which I am aware.

http://www.alternet.org/news/146226/hedges%3A_is_america_yearning_for_fascism

Hedges is back on form and is cutting it like a knife.

Most people who read Alternet will think of themselves as well educated Liberals, who think they belong to The Professional Class. That is, they perceive themselves as using their brains to make a living, by coming up with ideas or using their skills and education to manage, direct, teach or control others as a result of their perceived superiority.

They actually look down on people who do real work, like fixing their car ?” or even building something that is of some use. They consider themselves “white collar” who pay the less fortunate blue collar (what is left of them) to do the real work. The blue collar themselves, they too think they are superior, because they actually have the skills to do the work. But they too are only happy to employ at the lowest possible rate, the unskilled labourers at the bottom of the hierarchy.

Well, its time for people to wake up, particularly those who think they should be in control, and have just experienced the real world hitting them, as they lose their jobs and their homes and join the rest in the queue for the soup kitchen.

How will you cope, when you suddenly realise that you have absolutely no practical skills to do the work that needs doing, just to survive?

Its tough being brought back down to Earth isn’t it?

Maybe you should have started at the bottom as a labourer and worked your way up, rather than starting from a privileged position and find that your World was built on a house of cards that those above have just intentionally collapsed to see how you would cope.

Maybe its time to put all these “class” differences aside and work together to rebuild a society that is fair to all, but maybe only the strongest and those with the best practical skills will survive.

By now the bricklayer’s labourer has learnt the skills to actually build his own house. He is also going to be much stronger and fitter than you who have spent your entire life sat at a desk, so fighting him is not a good idea. Maybe you should make friends with him instead, even if he votes Republican and goes to Church on Sunday and believes in a load of nonsense.

Tony

@ Stephen

What I’m saying to you is that one can hold the view that Blair is a war criminal whilst still respecting the law and courts to effect punishment.

Holding the view that Blair is a war criminal does not effect any punishment upon him other than the judgement of his peers at large.

It is purely a view about his activities, held by many people.

Until someone suggests acting upon that view to effect punishment without the law then you have no argument about disrespect for due process. Craig has made no such argument.

On the contrary, most of us would in fact wish him to be held to account to law under due process.

So, our views about the man’s culpability and due process under law are not in conflict.

Arsalan: I think you are rather misleading yourself if you attribute all that’s gone on over the past decade to Zionism. That’s got more than a bit to do with it, but the real driver for the entire middle east adventure by Bush and Blair was to gain political capital and do favours for his cronies, and to hang onto the shirt-tails of power, respectively. Both were driven by ideological zeal, in that both were capable of convincing themselves that they are right, just and infallible, and ended up believing their own propaganda. Or “drinking their own CoolAid”, as the Jim Jones reference would have it.

Vast interests were at stake – the transfer of mind-boggling amounts of money from the taxpayer to the private sector, and the opportunity to make a killing on reconstruction and oil revenue after a short war in Iraq. Bush indicated he wanted a war with Iraq before coming to office, and said that his father had made a mistake – he would push onto Baghdad.

Bush also said that a very quick war was no good, like HW had done, he wanted a war to get himself a second term and win political capital so he could (for instance) privatise Social Security.

So Zionism was a pretty useful tool in helping this whole project, and no doubt they encouraged the agenda plenty. But Zionism is not what started this – disaster capitalism was always the prime mover.

Gideon you are talking to a Zionist, from one arse he will tell you that “you shouldn’t criticize Blair for killing millions, innocent before guilt”, with the other arse he will support the invasion of Iraq, not just in the absence of guilt being proven, but even after innocence is proven.

What I am saying is, when you speak to him, whether he uses this name or any other, you are speaking to a war criminal.

You can’t really discuss with him whether we can call Blair a war criminal before he is tried, because the guy agrees with the war crimes.

Any crime is allowed if it is good for Israel as far as the Zionists are concerned. Including what Blair did. Remember, he did it for Israel.

Really a striking similarity between the cases of Tony Blair and Ian Huntley.

Both are given extra protection in recognition of their notoriety, both are despised by the British public. I suppose there is the fact that Blair has profited directly from the war he helped prosecute…

Actually, the unifying figure for these two is Roman Polanski – he has the wealth, the notoriety and the devicance.

My last post before I go to bed.

Gleen I agree with the facts you have listed but my analysis but who was the tool of who is the other way around.

I believe it was the Zionist Neocons who were manipulating the others of the axis of imperialism.

I believe they persuaded the business interests including oil and arms, exaggerating the possible gains.

They were basically saying the war will pay for it self.

They also persuaded the conservatives, to do so they even left their former ideologies to become conservatives. Some of these Neocons were actually communists. Their alliance with conservatism isn’t ideological, or sincere, they did so simply because their loyalty to Israel was greater than their loyalty to the left. And these wars were good for Israel.

So I agree their was a bunch of groups calling for the war, but the Zionists weren’t a tool. The others were the tools of Zionism.

And after the war when the mess became visible, many of the tools did admit that they were used by the Zionists who lied to them to get them to do their dirty work.

America and Britian didn’t gain from the wars. The only nation that did was Israel.

Israel is quite simply a racist terrorist state and existential threat to its neighbours, which will drag us all down into unending war and potential nuclear annihilation if we let it.

That’s what’s at stake in the game our politicians play. They’re paid to play this game of course so their interests are personal and short term and not ours.

Sadly for us the only saviour from this fate will be the emergence of a dominant superpower in China and its sphere of influence, which cares nothing for the US/Euro guilt trip fostered by Zionism, and similarly cares nothing for us.

Alternatively we could cut ourselves loose from Israeli right wing policy and make friends with the muslim nations again, thereby strengthening our position against China.

I suspect we’ll find the worst route to oblivion, given the self-serving shit we elect to rule us.

I looked just like you when I was 5 years old. My guns worked. I had a roll of caps and they went bang.

You see, I was in Love with my Girlfriend.

I used to watch Andy Pandy with her and the Flowerpot Men. I don’t know if you got that where you lived. They also had Little Weed. She was a Beautiful Sunflower, Blonde Like My Girlfriend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcF9JSxkUSE&

And when I was nearly 5, I lost her.

She was called Susan, such a beautiful 2 Year Old when I met her 2 years earlier…

She went to Australia

So My Mum introduced me to Guns when I was 5

When I was 14, I was quite big, and I Pretended I Was 16

And I turned up in The Gun Shop in Shudehill in Manchester and Bought My Gun with the money I had earned.

The Primative Animal Energy Got To Me, and I Felt Really Excited at The Point Of My First Kill.

I Then thought I have killed a beautiful sparrow. I Felt a Right Cunt.

It will no longer be singing to me in the morning.

And so I gave up Guns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYwm5GAfRaU

There was this Girl in My Class at School who I really Fancied

If I told her I had done that, She would hate me.

And then I learnt to Fly

And became a Glider Pilot a few years later

Tony

@ tony op-moc

Relax Tony…don’t beat yourself up…we’ve all done regrettable stupid things when we were young…hell even i,against my true nature,was cruel to a lovely little animal-although i was some years into an MI5 persecution/torture scene which rendered me quite unlike my real self.

I still feel bad about that but the extenuating circs were,to say the least,rather extreme.

Take care dude.

Arsalan said: “America and Britian didn’t gain from the wars. The only nation that did was Israel.”

Very thought provoking. Some British and many American groups gained a great deal from this misadventure, most notably the halliburton, Bechtels, Blackwaters and so on. Weapons manufacturers did extremely well too, not to mention the oil industry, Wall Street speculators and the media who find that war boosts ratings to be most pleasing.

But on the whole, our countries (UK/US) did indeed lose out something rotten.

Israel, on the other hand, has got rid of the old enemy SH, but has got instead an emboldened Iran and increased scepticism about its motives worldwide. Their treatment of the Palestinians alone would generate enough worldwide animosity, and extinguishing any last sympathies decent people might hold for the new state of Israel, but the GWOT has bought enough “look the other way” for them to really step up their genocidal occupation.

Officially, we’re all closer to Israel than ever. But even to your average American, who’s not sure if Canada is north, south or on an entirely different continent to themselves, this idea of being tied to Israel and supporting it whatever may come, is losing its magic touch.

A few tea-bagging freaks, racists, militant pro-Israeli nazis are expressing themselves freely here – I wonder if our resident trolls might have made a contribution as eloquent?

http://maxblumenthal.com/feeling-the-hate-in-jerusalem/

It’s not clear to me that any nations are any better off for the Bushblair wars (except Iran, and I find it hard to believe that was part of anyone’s conspiracy, more a part of the fuckup), I suspect glenn’s handful of powerful people & corporations/disaster-capitalism suggestion is closer. (Did you see the piece where Klein talked about that, btw ? ‘Year Zero In Baghdad’, iirc; somewhere around ’04).

Though it does look as though it’s Israel that’s the prime mover in the ‘bomb iran’ noise, these days. But then, a few years ago it looked clearly like the Rumsfelt brigade, so maybe in a few more years there’ll be some other conspiracy behind it … bring back the Illuminati, I say.

Daz Caz and Goz Boz are now more signed up to paying interest to the banks who bankrupted us, than an accident victim whose whole body is covered in scribbled- on plastercasts. Thatcher’s fascination with money and

Blair’s fascination with Military power were like the combination of high speed motorbike and human recklessness – an accident waiting to happen.

And yet, so far, nobody has come forward in this election saying this musn’t happen again, lessons have to be learnt, or indeed a threat of prosecution. Daz and Goz will get back onto their superbikes of high borrowing and military incursion as soon as they can throw off their back-fastened, green, hospital gowns.

We desperately need a period of sobriety, in which after the loans have been repaid, Thatcher lunacy and Blairite violence are brought under control. Is this a lesson that this country is ready to learn? Neither of these two madmen, who voted for the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions should be standing for election. Obviously they are not going to resign. What this country needs is new faces who do not remind us of this shameful decade of neo-Imperialism so that we can look the world and God in the face again.

I feel incredibly embarrassed to admit to this, but I assure You it is True

The Gun was only an Air Pistol.

I Couldn’t Afford an Air Rifle Like My Mate Had on the Other Side of Middleton

So I built a wooden harness for it, such that I could keep it really still

But I did actually put the gun in my mouth and pull the trigger

I knew it wasn’t loaded and wasn’t trying to kill myself

I was only 14 years old and was copying something I had seen on TV

What I didn’t realise was that the Gun in My Mouth Was a Very Powerful Spring Loaded Weapon

It Nearly Knocked My Front Tooth Out and Put a Big Hairline Crack In It which has been clearly visible nearly all my life

So just now I went to the Mirror and Looked at My Teeth in Close-Up

The Hairline Crack Had Completely Disappeared

I have always drunk a lot of Milk

We Have Great Cows in England

I used to get Free School Milk

The Kids North West of Middleton were just like me. They were even more Working Class than me. They used to play with Lesley Ann Downey, and so had to cope with that.

I actually liked delivering leaflets around Langley. The houses were all close together and people talked Proper English.

In Alkrington, the houses were much further apart

Sometimes you had to walk down a long drive just to deliver one leaflet ?” and then if they actually tried to talk to you, they would try and speak like the Queen

Of course they couldn’t get anywhere close to My Mum

She was born in London and spoke Posh Posh Queen’s English ?” She had even learnt the detail of her intonation

Everyone including My Entire Family Thought

What The Hell Is She Doing Living in Oldham?

Well,

I was Born There

Personally, I think Google Streetview is Absolutely Brilliant Now That They Have Done Oldham

I haven’t been to the home I grew up in for about 17 years – and then only for 5 minutes to show my 5 year old Son who was born in London – it was the first time I had been back since 1978 which was 32 years ago

It Looks Rather Beautiful, and Hardly Changed At All, except that they have Cut Down The Tree and Turned Our Front Garden into a Parking Space.

But all the buildings look in good nick. I was a bit puzzled that the back passage had gates across it at both ends…

But at one end the Gates were open, so I don’t know if there is Free Access To Our Back Passage or Not

Tony

Glenn: “But even to your average American, who’s not sure if Canada is north, south or on an entirely different continent to themselves,”

Well that’s a bit of an exaggeration, you silly goose.

What the f*** is going on? Bliar has got a 2010 Election website.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/mar/31/election-2010-tony-blair-website

PS LfStL keeps using animal names to address us. This is a common Zionist habit when addressing their enemies. eg we, the British, were ‘dogs’ after the Israeli dilomat was kicked out. Palestinians were described as ‘cockroaches in a bottle’ etc. Vile.

dilomat=diplomat

I heard this on the World Service news and as Hidari says on medialens, The Stasi Did Not Die. What a completely fascist rotten goverment we have at the moment and what is the likelihood of Daz Caz (I like that moniker) changing any of the present regime’s legislation that attacks our freedom.

The Stasi did not die

Posted by Hidari on April 1, 2010, 12:21 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cia-given-details-of-british-muslim-students-1932727.html

Richard,

“Though it does look as though it’s Israel that’s the prime mover in the ‘bomb iran’ noise, these days. But then, a few years ago it looked clearly like the Rumsfelt brigade, so maybe in a few more years there’ll be some other conspiracy behind it … bring back the Illuminati, I say”.

I can’t quite get a grip on some of your cryptic comments.

It seems to me that, the Middle East has been a target for the usual suspects, for a very long time. I suggest from the moment Israel became established as an ME salient for American hegemony. The tacit US/UN agreement, to look the other way, while Israel metamorphosed into a nuclear power convinces me that, there is a programme of keeping the Middle East countries in a state of turmoil, suspicion and chaos–all to the consolidation of a very strong Zionist led Israel.

Gratuitous vilification of Iran has become more pronounced lately, as a prologue to its destruction, one way or another.

Whilst I do not agree with theocratic government, I do believe that, nations as old as Iran, have the intelligence to develop in their own way.

The West has no great merit to commend it, either in its kind of “democracy”, or in its efforts to maintain world peace.

There would be far fewer wars started if politicians were responsible for their own personal safety. Think about it, how much more considerate you would be if you knew people had a fair chance of punching you on the nose if you annoyed them.

Franz Ferdinand may have disagreed

As for Bliar, a sustained and concentrated effort to keep his warmongering notoriety and its horrific and costly human consequences, in the public’s memory, might eventually lead to his trial.

Both he and Bush personalise the degradation of human and political values of the western world to a market stall.

Merchants are now, openly buying the services of politicians, to further their creation of a capitalistic Frankenstein’s monster, devouring all other ideologies and free political development.

Bliar is a home-grown, British problem and it may take the total conversion of the British people to a conscious self-respect, in order to bring him to account and protect future generations from beguiling charlatans, who treat the destruction of people and countries, as pragmatic solutions.

Mary that is because the Zionists see all of us lesser races as animals.

If we are their enemies we are pests to be exterminated. To them Palestinians are cockroaches to be stepped on.

No remorse, or second thoughts.

There friends are also animals. To them the British are dogs, their loyal servants. To be punished when chastised when naughty and praised when good. So when the master plays with the dogs ball, and the dog barks at the master to indicate the dogs displeasure. The master chastises the dog, to tell the dog the master is the boss, so the dog has no right to complain. That is what the Zionist did to their loyal servants in Britain, to put them in their place and show them whose boss.

And the rest of humanity, are just wildlife to observe, and make use of.

So East European women and girls, are trafficed in to Israel to be made use of as forced prostitutes.

Others are imported so they can be butchered and their kidneys sold to rich Americans.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE56M3QU20090723

Succinct little post which, while stating the obvious, has to be said time and time again. However, more importantly than Blair costing the taxpayer money, although that is certainly important too, are his various roles, which you touched upon.

Yes, his roles in the Middle East and in East Africa (especially in Rwanda) are deserving of particular scrutiny.

Excellent work Craig!

Stephen

The presumption of guilt is always held by the accuser. If this was not the case then police and the CPS would never arrest or prosecute anyone. As has been pointed out before when and if he gets to Court then he will be pressumed innocent by the judges and the jury until the prosecutor persuades them otherwise with evidence beyond reasonable doubt. If we went on your reasoning everyone would be on the defendants side in assuming him innocent and no one would ever get convicted. And as for Police protection of Blair I agree he should contribute to the cost of his protection. At the moment police budgets are being cut hugely which will affect us all. I can understand why Police go overboard as they are completely risk adverse nowadays scared of what might happen if they do nothing. If he wants to lead a less public life and be a normal business man as he claims to be he wouldnt need such protection.

Is “Bliar” a liar, traitor or war criminal?

Petition the British people street by street for answers.

This will do two important things:

1. Give a visible and democratic

opportunity to bring Bliar to account.

2. Prove whether the British public is bothered, or deserving of such leaders.

Mary, I get the term “silly goose” from the comedian Jim Norton. I’ve never called anyone a dog. I’ve also never been to Israel.

Stuart

You are right that the prosecutor may well have a presumption of guilt, though you will find quite a lot of lawyers who will argue that they are able to argue their case based on the facts without any presumption of guilt or innocence for that matter.

However, I believe that any presumption of guilt should be with the prosecuting authorities and not with the mob. As for requiring those who are still judicially “innocent”, but presumed guilty by the mob, to pay for protection recommended by the police while undertaking legitimate political activities – the idea does not stand up to any scrutiny whatsover. That way lies the justice of the lynch mob.

If anyone wants to try and prosecute Blair for any crimes they can report the matter to the Police – and if the Police/CPS believe that a crime has been committed and there is a realistic possibility of achieving a prosecution, they are duty bound to act – and failing that it may be possible to bring a private prosecution. In the meantime all the talk about Blair being a criminal is just hot air from those who are not prepared to back their mouths with money or any sense of conviction.

“So East European women and girls, are trafficed in to Israel to be made use of as forced prostitutes.

Others are imported so they can be butchered and their kidneys sold to rich Americans.”

Arsalan, you are a sick, sick person.

You silly shills.

It might be of interest to Stephen that the 7,000 people who signed this didn’t get so much as an acknowledgment from the successor to the Secretary of the UN General Assembly and the UK Attorney General. Why would that be? Do the powerful indeed own the law?

http://blairfoundation.wordpress.com/

AND read some of the comments on the petition to see what good people think of your hero.

http://www.petitiononline.com/BWCF/petition.html

The legal process in the UK doesn’t work through the issue of petitions. Until you understand this perhaps you should remain silent as to what is and isn’t legal.

Last post was from me and meant to be addressed to mary

Stephen,

“However, I believe that any presumption of guilt should be with the prosecuting authorities and not with the mob”.

I wonder who you believe this “mob” to be, in this instance? I have not seen any “mob” beying for Bliar’s head.

I have however, witnessed supposed honourable law makers, of no less rank, than Attorney General, present a case for war against Iraq, without properly justifying his case in law–and a lawyer Foreign Secretary, who also took Britain to war on rubbished and contrived intelligence. The Prime Minister himself, also a professional lawyer, lied to make a case for war–so do you refer to this “mob” of lawyers, or are there others, whose views we overlook?

Mary,

“The legal process in the UK doesn’t work through the issue of petitions. Until you understand this perhaps you should remain silent as to what is and isn’t legal”.

It would be polite to address the person, to whom you fire this censure.

I would like to know why you said this and your context.

John It was our friend Stephen who made that remark. He was getting so hot under the collar that he called himself Mary!!

I had posted the Blair War Crimes Foundation and Petition links.

I wonder what his brother Justice William Blair thinks of him and what their relationship is like. I believe there is also a sister.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blair_(judge)

Mark,

I totally agree with your poignant and visionary conclusion on our ties with Israel. Let this be a warning, Israel is fighting for survival and will use deception and murder to further the ‘War on Terror’ she started to gain an advantage in the power game that has been gaining momentum since the last World War.

Tony Blair was right on one single point – that this power is moving East. America has faltered and undermined her leadership, credibility and status in the Bush years. The infiltration by Zionists in her power infrastructure has been ruthless, suffocating and total, such that our gratitude and friendship to the American people has been negated by her leaders blindness to the curse of dishonesty, stealth and manipulation by those embedded in the American power structures.

Britain must now be prepared to forge new relationships, new ties, new trade agreements and new vows of protection to the Muslim world and beyond.

The illegal wars, the loss of human dignity by torture, ‘black ops’ and rendition, the massacre of innocent civilians and the annihilation and mutilation of children has burned into our souls and propelled our repulsion such that a change of tack is compulsory, necessary and urgent for the well-being and future of our children and their children.

To do nothing now will condemn future generations to constant war, destruction and misery.

“Britain must now be prepared to forge new relationships, new ties, new trade agreements and new vows of protection to the Muslim world and beyond.”

–Mark Golding

‘Special relationship’ with US is over, MPs claim

http://tinyurl.com/yd4j54p

I can’t help but feel that this is a good thing.

“I can’t help but feel that this is a good thing.”

Yes, probably. Note that “The committee said that in urging a more pragmatic approach to UK-US relations, it was simply mirroring the attitude taken by President Barack Obama”.

Poodle obeying orders to stop being a poodle ?

The BBC report added that the “intelligence” agreements would stay in place, though.

But apart from that, yes. Right that the Blair Thing has done us a lot of harm.

Mary, thanks for clearing that up.

I thought I was on the side of the angels and was taken aback by the anonymous, “gagging” censure

I was about to mention an AD1215 Petition to King John, which did quite a lot of good for the abused Barons.

My thought being that, as taxpayers, we had a good case in petitioning against “King Bliar” for profligacy of much needed monies for domestic services– and a higher charge of murderous adventure, against a defenceless people and the wishes of the British electorate.

Pleased to find it was only priggish Stephen who burped.

The sundering of this prostitute/customer “Special Relationship” would be so good, if it could be relied upon.

It is but a spat, I fear–as there are too many in the British Ivory Tower, who have their hands in the pockets of the Zionist Americans, in their Ivory Tower–and vice-versa.

If only to distance Britain from the combined scheming for Corporate War against Iran, it would make a refreshing “peaceful” interlude–but comes the hour, comes the soppy patsy UK government.

Bringing our boys home from the present mercenary wars would be a convincing start.

Peace might even break out and the unprotected public, may not need to fear that unattended package left on the tube. Imagine our children being that safe!

“There’ll be bluebirds over, the white cliffs . . .”

Tony_opmoc at March 31, 2010 7:50 PM on this blog provided a reference to an article by Paul Craig Roberts entitled “Good-Bye: Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18339

Mr. Roberts is a former Editor of the Wall Street Journal and an Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury in the Reagan Administration. As Tony has stated, Mr. Roberts’s article is well worth reading.

And Paul Craig Roberts turned into a complete nutjob.

But most people on this website like him because he believes that 911 was an inside job. On the other hand, he’s a clear “conspiraloon,” as someone here would say.

What by now should have become obvious to us all is that the smellies of this world are politcal policers.

A privatised ACPO is partial to lobbying by wealthy and influentual power groups as much as the politicians we so eagerly elect, after being hoodwinked for weeks with aspirational nonsense.

This election must not return a single party as a winner, they should be forced to work together, leaving less space for unelected, shamelessly pirouetting zionists such a Bliar.

Why he ever took the catholic faith I do not know, he must have felt at home with the criminal elements within, the attraction of the likeminded.

I see nothing wrong with Mr. Roberts tangental thoughts on the deliberate diversion of power to suit a few, his muses about the desintegration of american life, again to suit a few who have misused the federal system to suit their own narrow empirical aims.

So, Whats it to be from now on, lambs to the slaughter, with a few baaa’s thrown in?, or is there something that could be made out of this wholly disinterested lazy society, used to its BBCspin and fed on bullshit by the various party dogmatixs?

Why did the judge never question the fact that Mr. Smellie used the truncheon twice, with great force and exactly on to the same area than the first blow, a clear intention in my book that he wanted to cause pain and hurt, not deter this woman protester.

If any of the protesters would have carried as much as a stick they would have been tagged as vicious and violent agitators, environmental terrorists and rent a mob demonstrators.

If anybody who knows a little self defense would attempt a civil unrest on Mr. Blair, knocking out one or two of his body guards to enable one to put some cuffs on him, before the establishment’s police can get to him, than at least he would feel whats it is like to have been arrested.

I have no more time for trying to change a rotten establishment that has usurped society, they need anulling, a place of rest and slow demise, ridicule for their self serving ways and 24/7 control so they can never inflict their bias on us again.

Our position is such that we merely dream of change, reform and a more sustainable world. I do not believe that any of our politicians is able to evoke such change and reform, so what is left.

What by now should have become obvious to us all is that the smellies of this world are politcal policers.

A privatised ACPO is partial to lobbying by wealthy and influentual power groups as much as the politicians we so eagerly elect, after being hoodwinked for weeks with aspirational nonsense.

This election must not return a single party as a winner, they should be forced to work together, leaving less space for unelected, shamelessly pirouetting zionists such a Bliar.

Why he ever took the catholic faith I do not know, he must have felt at home with the criminal elements within, the attraction of the likeminded.

I see nothing wrong with Mr. Roberts tangental thoughts on the deliberate diversion of power to suit a few, his muses about the desintegration of american life, again to suit a few who have misused the federal system to suit their own narrow empirical aims.

So, Whats it to be from now on, lambs to the slaughter, with a few baaa’s thrown in?, or is there something that could be made out of this wholly disinterested lazy society, used to its BBCspin and fed on bullshit by the various party dogmatixs?

Why did the judge never question the fact that Mr. Smellie used the truncheon twice, with great force and exactly on to the same area than the first blow, a clear intention in my book that he wanted to cause pain and hurt, not deter this woman protester.

If any of the protesters would have carried as much as a stick they would have been tagged as vicious and violent agitators, environmental terrorists and rent a mob demonstrators.

If anybody who knows a little self defense would attempt a civil unrest on Mr. Blair, knocking out one or two of his body guards to enable one to put some cuffs on him, before the establishment’s police can get to him, than at least he would feel whats it is like to have been arrested.

I have no more time for trying to change a rotten establishment that has usurped society, they need anulling, a place of rest and slow demise, ridicule for their self serving ways and 24/7 control so they can never inflict their bias on us again.

Our position is such that we merely dream of change, reform and a more sustainable world. I do not believe that any of our politicians is able to evoke such change and reform, so what is left?

“Why he ever took the catholic faith I do not know, he must have felt at home with the criminal elements within, the attraction of the likeminded.”

Criminal and authoritarian, ingo, exactly.

Britain must now be prepared to forge new relationships…

Israel cannot be both fighting for its survival and able to instruct the superpower to direct its full fire power against the Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq, while it concentrates on demolishing Gaza uncriticised.

Britain must divorce from its existing partners Us and Israel. It can’t forge new relationships until it becomes illegal to associate, take bribes from or subscribe to any political organisation that calls itself Friends of Israel. Nobody on this blog is prepared to call a spade a a spade and acknowledge the link between banking fraud and the War on Islam. Divorce first, then start again. Cut all connections completely.

The bankers were enabled by Mrs Thatcher to tap into bank cash and strip the cupboard bare. Instead of standing up to the banks, Gordon Brown only got his New Labour, Bilderberg-plan, chancellor job because he signed up to turning a blind eye to the scam. The ring of roses is completed by George Bush and co. and Tony Blair all holding hands to provide cash for anti-Islam propaganda and murder

The magic circle of UK-US-IS ring a roses is pretending to have caught a cold and atishoo atishoo all fall down.

The money is still there, in the bankers ‘ hands. This is just part of cycle of getting us all into debt and buying cheap when we are all broke.

Mark, ( Golding ) I presume you travel to Iraq. Please will you let us know when it first reaches your ears that Israelis are buying up vast tracts of Iraqi towns and land, in order to change the political landscape of the region. That’s where our cash is at this moment. They are biding their time until Iraq is out of the news, and then the building bonanza will begin.

So where is the punishment for UKUSIS crimes? The punishment is not the recession. The punishment is that every time the west exceeds all bounds of violent criminality, its people become morally weaker and more misguided.

Millions dream of winning the lottery. Millions believe in voting in an election. Millions’ lives are simply intravenous TV. Millions believe that religion is the cause of the problem and all these billions are going to be chuted into hell for ignoring morality, faith, justice and family/social responsibility.

Britain is ceasing to exist in a way that previous generations recognised the meaning of existence. It doesn’t need new relationships, it needs a new being.

Make no mistake, after this election, Hazel Blears’ contract for controlling the Muslims and non-Muslim opposition to anti-Muslim invasions will re-surface. Whoever is in power. The Muslims will be forced to sign a loyalty contract, pledging not to disagree with future anti-Muslim progroms and not to speak. The majority will sign, but I will not. A soul-less Britain is not a place I want to be.

“the smellies of this world”

That one could stick, couldn’t it ?

“Why he ever took the catholic faith I do not know”

GWB, the Pope … he seems to have A Thing about absolute authority ?

Larry said

“Arsalan, you are a sick, sick person.”

I say, well tell that you your Zionist New York times then Bitch!

Again here is the Kidney link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/07/23/2009-07-23_2_new_jersey_mayors_arrested_in_sweeping_money_laundering_probe.html

And here is the kidnaped east European link:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7487

According to the BBC (and can you believe anything they say following their reporting of the Israeli attack on Gaza today – see Medialens), one of the women was a very young widow from Dagestan. How do the Russian police know? Rather a lot of ‘believed to be’s’ in the report much like some of the Fascist stuff we are given here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8600863.stm

Arsalan – I think that the treatment of the Palestinians by their Occupiers is much worse that anything the whites handed out to the blacks in SA under Apartheid.

Yes I know, what they are being offered as the peace deal is what the blacks had in apatite south Africa.

That is the two state solution they are talking about. Palestinians will live in tiny enclaves, just like the Bantulands Black South Africans were corralled in to.

Some people see this south African style appetite as the final aim, because what the Blacks had in appetite South Africa is a lot better than what the Palestinians have now.

I know Stephen would like us to have Apatite as our final aim, while Israel will have complete ethnic cleansing as its final aim, and then we will negotiate and compromise and meet some where in the middle of complete ethnic cleansing and Apatite south Africa.

But it is not up to our enemies, it is not up to the invaders what we have as our aims. It is up to us.

And we will achieve them using any means necessary.

The means that I say are necessary are the reunification of the middle east to what it was before WW1 or even more than that, and then an invasion.And that is what stephen doesn’t want, because he knows that, that is the only thing that will work.

A sick person.

Liars try to imply that people who have a connection with God, ought to have knowledge of the unseen, so that they could refute their lies.

It’s as if they are saying, ‘ because you don’t have video evidence of every scrap of violence the USUKIS gorillas have perpetrated on the Muslims, therefore your mind is weak, or your God is refusing to give you the information you need’.

To accuse truth-seekers of not having enough evidence is pathetic. God has all the evidence, and He does not need us to know it. He is collecting evidence of our truth-seeking and he is collecting evidence of the trolls’ truth denying.

To accuse truth-seekers of being sick because they do not have omniscience shows that the accusers are sick, because they think that human beings are equipped with extra-sensory perception.

Talk about a guilt complex.

The Russian elite escaped scrutiny in the Western media about Chechnya, through a pact, in which they, being the West and Russia, mutually agreed not to criticise eachothers’ violations and violence against the Muslims.

The call for an increase in cruelty against the Muslims by Russia,is in line with the Hazel Blears concept of a contract of thought control in the West.

After the election, with five years of our democratic permission, Muslims will be allowed to live in the UK, only if they sacrifice their loyalty to the Muslim victims of state terror, and actively support the state terror against their brothers and sisters in Islam.

Another to thing to remember if you’re thinking of putting your cross against David Cameron, is that he represents the racist gentry who do not often encounter the mainstream immigrant population. Birmingham, is not the same as Warwick or Stratford on Avon. Just because we have not heard the bigoted gentry who separate themselves in their rural locations speak yet, doesn’t mean that Cameron will not implement a swathe of blatantly racist reforms, targeting the Muslims if he gets a sniff of power at the election.

Sometimes it is the things we don’t see in the headlines like Russia and Middle England, which turn out to be the most unpleasant. Please chaps and chapesses, don’t forget the nasty side of David Cameron.

Arsalan

Again read what I said – I said dual states AND mutual recognition – that is certainly not the same as apartheid. Yes it would be wonderful if all the religous differences could be set aside and Jews and Palestinians could live together in a secular state where all citizens had equal democratic rights – but I am enough of a realist to know that this is not going to happen in my life time.

All this has nothing to do with religious differences and everything to do with people being kicked out of their homes and lands.

And those people would remain kicked out of their homes and lands with your so called solution.

So your solution is a worthless side tracking slogan.

So if it is so impossible for Jews to remain with people who they deem as lesser races, do you propose further ethnic cleansing of all of the Palestinians within what you would call Israel, we are talking about a quarter of the population?

And if they can remain as a minority within a Jewish state, what makes Jews so superior to prevent them living as a minority after reunification?

If you don’t propose it now what happens when the Arab population of what you consider Israel approaches 50%?

Remembering that nearly all the Jews that can be imported to slow down the inevitable have already been imported.

Do you propose ethnic cleansing and genocide then, or will that be when you propose Zionism raising the flag of surrender and ending apartheid?

The two state solution you propose will never result in anything. It is just words to rename Gaza and the West bank a state, hollow words the don’t give people back the homes and lands the Zionists stole. And doesn’t even attempt to answer the question of the majority of Palestinians, the ones that were expelled outside of the occupied territories.

Zionists seem to think if they delay for long enough, everyone will forget and leave them alone.

That wont happen, the crusaders had Palestine for longer than you, and once the Muslim world reunified they were dealt with.

So reunification and then liberation.we have nothing to negotiate.

“Do you propose ethnic cleansing and genocide then, or will that be when you propose Zionism raising the flag of surrender and ending apartheid?”

No what I (and most sensible observers of the Middle East) propose is what I propose. You totally fail to understand what I mean by “mutual recognition” which is not surprising since you fail to recognise that many Jews in Israel consider that they have valid claims. I have never denied the validity of Palestinian claims.

Both sides have valid (and also invalid) claims that contradict each other – until there is mutual recognition of this and then compromise there will never be a way forward.

You will never understand the concept of compromise as it is clearly totally alien to your nature. You and your ilk do of course have your alter egos on the Israeli side – and boy do you feed of each each other. In the meantime it is ordinary Israelis and Palestinians who pay the price.

As I said before, your two state solution is apartheid south Africa at best. The same words you use to describe the creation of a Palestinian state, is the words they used to describe the creation of Black homelands.

And yes there are some on our side who are willing to settle for that, because South African style Apartheid is much better than what the Palestinians are going through now.

And yes, your point maybe valid that people like me opposing your apartheid solution may be extending the suffering of the Palestinians if Israel was honest

About a two state solution(Which I find it very hard to believe).

But whatever words you use to make it seem nice, my answer will always be, stuff your apartheid up your arse!

We do not recognise the right of the British invader to bestow someone else’s lands on you.

We will reverse the British French carve up of the Middle East, and then we will reverse the creation of Israel.

We will not beg the thieves to get back what is ours.

If we are unable to take the land back by force, we will not be able to defend it by force in the event of another invasion. So there is no point in negotiations.

So we have to do what is necessary to take back Palestine and defend it.

Then people like me are willing to negotiate with people like you, to come to compromises to share the land and decide how much autonomy will be given.

You have recognised that their are people on your side unwilling to make compromises, you will find there are those on my side who are less willing to make them then me, so just pray it is us who invade you and not them.

But what you scare each other with is a myth, we are working to gain our rights, not take away yours.

I don’t think you believe me. So you will just have to wait till after the reunification that we will treat you better than you treat us. And some amongst you will recognise that we will treat you better than you are treated by each other.

As far as I can see there are three solutions to Palestine.

One is what you are proposing. The two state solution. Which has been negotiated with no success ever since the Gaza And west bank came under Zionist rule.

The two state solution would require Hundreds of thousands(and rising) of Jews to be expelled from the west bank, or the west bank being divided in to a patch work of Palestinian ghettos.

The negotiation between Israel and the PLO is where in the middle of a patch work and a complete expulsion does the compromise lie.

The other is the one state solution. This is supported by the left.

It involves no one being expelled, with the added bonus of negotiating justice for Palestinians who were expelled from Palestine, which may result in some or all of them regaining citizenship and the possibility of regaining their homes or compensation for their homes.

My one state solution for the entire middle east, not just Palestine, would not just reverse Palestinians who lost their homes due to the creation of Israel, but also Jews. the Ancient Jewish communities through out the middle east would be recreated. Communities which had existed for thousands of years up till the creation of Israel would be recreated.

My solution is better for Jews, Christians and Muslims. Better for the people inside Palestine and outside. Better for Jews who want to remain inside Palestine, and better for Jews who want to return to their homes in the wider middle east. And it requires no one being expelled or excluded. A lasting peace acceptable to everyone based on what was there before Zionism and the post WW1 Anglo French Middle East Carve up.

“We do not recognise the right of the British invader to bestow someone else’s lands on you.”

I think you will find that there was also a UN mandate.

The one state solutions you suggest are just not going to happen with the bset will in the world. As for the former being supported by the left – I think you will find that you are referring to very small section of what is usually thought of as the left.

As for a one state solution for the entire Middle East – I have made my views on this crystal clear already – but I would like to point out your fallacy that this existed before 1914. If anyone wants to look at a map at the time they will see that there were many areas where the writ of the Ottoman Empire (and what a fine model of corruption, ineptness and despotism that was – so much so that even the Turks threw it out) either did not apply or its influence was insigificant or partial. Your solution is based on an historical myth – and although you may think that it is better for Jews, Christians and Muslims – you will find that nearly all the Jews, Christians and Muslims in the Middle East would not support such a solution.

And solutions cannot be seen solely in terms of state boundaries – there has to be mutual recognition and reconciliation as well.

Firstly, I will say **** the UN, America and Israel make a regular habit of doing so.

**** it, it is just an organisation created by the colonialists victors of ww2.

I don’t recognise the right of the UK to invade Palestine and declare that it belongs to others.

Whether the UK sets up an organisation with 4 other colonialist countries which legitimises it or not.

And it is really rich, for a Zionist to come up with the UN as a justification, really rich indeed considering Israels history of abiding by UN resolutions? And this would go double coming from you, someone who supports the Iraq invasion.

So what is it, UN resolutions are for us lot, but not you lot?

I have a word for that, I call it talking out off two arse holes.

Speaking of talking out of two butt holes, I’m sorry but I’m going to have to accuse you of doing so again!

On this thread:

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/04/pentagon_gives.html

You indicated to Craig that removing the mountains of Aid America and the UK give Karimov to continue boiling people alive will result in a Khilfah replacing him.

And now you are stating to me, that Khilafah is not possible and didn’t really exist before anyway?

So which is it then?

Where were you lying and where were you telling the truth?

Did you indicate to me that Khilafah isn’t going to happen because you know it is the only way to stop Israel?

Or did you lie to craig because you like people being boiled alive?

There is no point asking you, because I have spoken to enough Zionists to know that they give different answers to different people. They just state whatever they assume is most fruitful.

That is one of the reason it is impassible to negotiate with the Zionism.

Finally you know as well as I do, that the Turkish and other regimes are secularised by force of arms. The people want to be united under one Khilafah, but the dictators use military might to prevent it.

No Muslim voted for the middle east carve up, it was imposed by the UK and France.

But we will reverse it.

It is very strange that you will assume the two state solution will be acceptable. You are basically stating that Israel doing two wrongs makes a right?

That is Zionist logic. the Zionist stole most of Palestine in 1948 which we say is unacceptable, and you assume stealing the rest and giving part of it back will make it all OK?

You assume settling a hundreds of thousands of Jews on the West bank, then kicking them out again will make expelling or killing 80% of the Palestinian population in 1948 OK?

Your so called two state solution is a two wrongs makes a right solution, or the talking out of two arse holes solution.

Mine is the two rights solution. reuniting the middle east would allow any Arab kicked out of his house or land in Palestine to regain it, it would allow any Jew move back to their homes in the whole of the middle east if they wanted.

While your apartheid takes it away from everyone.

Arsalan

I am trying to work out if your constant misreprensenation of my position, and of history in general for that matter, is either because you don’t understand what I said in the first place or because you just want to wilfully misrepresent the views of your opponents.

Basically are you stupid or are you evil? You see it is very easy to play such games?

You and your ilk will never achieve peace in the Middle East or elsewhere for that matter – fortunately you only represent a very small minority.

Where is your evidence that the people of the Middle East wish to be united in a Calaphinate – you can assert all you want but where is the evidence???

Love and kisses

The evidence is the length that you and yours go to, to try and stop it.

And again, I am going to accuse you of talking out of two butt holes, when it comes to peddling your Zionism to non-Muslims it is, “the consequence of this being the establishment of Islamist states in Afghanistan and Uzbekistan”, with Muslims it is the Islamic it is “fortunately you only represent a very small minorit”

As I have said before, Larry you are a liar and I believe all Zionists are evil not just you.

I make no distinction between your ideology and Nazism. they are the same.

hello boys

arsalan, just thought I’d point out that Hamas have actually been prepared to settle along the June 1967 border.

Tech that’s hamas and not me.

And even though they were willing to settle, Israel wasn’t.

The PLO were willing to settle too, nothing came of it.

When anyone settles to Israeli demands Israel changes the goal posts.

Israel is part of a bigger problem. Which is the carve up of the middle east by the British after ww1.

If that is resolved, the Zionist problem will be resolved. As well as most of the other problems in the middle east.

Yes but, arsalan, with all due respect, you’re not actually living there. So who who are you to disagree with the people who are?

Just in case you think I’m taking sides, I’m off to make the same point to Stephen on another post…

Yes I am not living there. But where do you live?

Don’t tell me. But let’s say it is Essex.

If Essex was invaded by France, Eskimos. Who kicked out 80% of the people. Would the right to get it back be on the 20% left inside essex? or the 80% who were kicked out + the 20% who remain?

Or all citizens of the UK?

Or all citizens of the world who think what happened was wrong?

The UK had no business creating Israel.