Just this report.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8604375.stm

Eugene Terreblanche ‘killers’ in South Africa court

The AWB has retracted a threat to take revenge for the killing

Two South Africans are due to be formally charged with the murder of white supremacist Eugene Terreblanche.

The two farm workers, aged 28 and 15, have admitted beating him to death in a dispute over unpaid wages, police say.

About 200 supporters of Terreblanche’s paramilitary AWB group have gathered at the court, and small crowds from the local black community are also there.

/…..

A man who lived and advocated through violence…meets his end by way of violence.

A poetic irony if there ever was one.

http://hotterthanapileofcurry.wordpress.com

Yeah, terrible innit? The new Doctor Who was good.

Dick the Willy

That is terrible!

I missed it?

What time was it on?

What happened?

Good point, Craig Murry, but I imagine you have deaf ears when the linkage is made between the Nazis and the Ba’ath Party of Iraq under Hussein.

And your desire to express joy at the murder of Tony Blair is just disgusting.

@Arsalan – well, sacre bleur and zut alors. It was brilliant – get thee to the iplayer post haste.

Matt Davis, the new dude was I have to say – excellent. I remember him from a series called Party People which was truly excreble so was slightly pessimistic but I can happily and contentedly state that I was thoroughly wrong. His new asst – Amelia Pond is rather top torry too. Hurray etc etc.

Think Larry from St Louis pills must be wearing out – ooooh.

You have nothing to chaff at the Uzbeks, if your mind is wired like a Nazis.

You’re an idiot Craig. Unprofessional quitter, who failed to serve his nation, now a slanderer who promotes murder.

Eugene was outspoken, but he was neither terrorist, nor responsible for anyone’s death.

Shame on you, and commentators and readers who support you.

I may not have liked Malcolm X or Francoise Fanon – but I do not condone murder. Period.

Larry wrote:

Good point, Craig Murry, but I imagine you have deaf ears when the linkage is made between the Nazis and the Ba’ath Party of Iraq under Hussein.

Not so good point, Larry. You are missing the point.

Opponents of the Iraq War would have shed no tears if Saddam Hussein or his vile sons had been assassinated. The point about the war and its unbelievably incompetently handled aftermath is the hundreds of thousands of civilians who just happened to get killed in the process, not to mention all those who were displaced and injured.

What exactly are you suggesting by the juxtaposition of those photographs, Craig?

Can you actually document murders committed by the man whose death by dismemberment so amused you?

I think you are mistaken to say that no more words are needed, if you mean by that that your comment is not to be taken as an incitement to murder.

Is that, in fact, your hope, that all the white people in Africa will murdered to avenge past atrocities?

Ultimately of course, when push came to shove, Terre Blanche and his ilk were just as irrelevant as the blacks they oppressed.

There was a time when apartheid was seen as useful to the corporate elite and Terre Blanches were useful. Then apartheid became bad for business and he became irrelevant.

I wonder did he ever work that out.

Merlin: “Opponents of the Iraq War would have shed no tears if Saddam Hussein or his vile sons had been assassinated. The point about the war and its unbelievably incompetently handled aftermath is the hundreds of thousands of civilians who just happened to get killed in the process, not to mention all those who were displaced and injured.”

Have you been listening to the anti-war movement?

Does the word indefatigability come to mind?

It seems to me that there were more people in the anti-war movement on the side of Hussein at the inception of the war and religious insurgents while the war progressed, than those in the anti-war movement who took the far more reasonable position that you cite.

Alfred, I’m not in tune with these threads, but this is very obviously not the blog of someone who hopes that all white people in Africa are murdered. Don’t be hysterical. It is a blog which points out that Terre Blanche was murdered in the same way that the victims of his ideology were murdered.

@Alfred – again I can’t make my mind up whether you’re a troublemaker or up for serious debate. Usually you discuss things in detail, but on a previous thread you make sweeping generalisations about liberals just to cause a provocation, and on this one you claim to believe that Craig’s post is an incitement to murder. But you don’t actually believe that, do you? Opposition to specific ideas is fine, but opposition to “liberals” in general is just political entrenchment, which is hardly in the spirit of co-operation and civility.

@Sharp – the usefulness of racism to the modern corporate elite is an interesting discussion. This was picked up in Naomi Klein’s book, Disaster Capitalism – and it connects also with how the IMF locked poverty into SA when Chicago theory economics were at their peak.

And Larry: more people supporting Hussein indeed. What utter nonsense. As for Galloway, as any fule in the UK kno, the heroes at the time ranged from John Pilger to Mark Thomas, to Mark Steel, to Jeremy Corbyn, to the schoolchildren who walked out in protest, to the WI who slow hand-clapped Blair, to the grandmothers who blockaded the air bases, to Unite and Unison and all the other unions, to Greenpeace, to students, to academics and bishops; in fact, to just about everyone. George Galloway and support for Hussein indeed. Have you nothing better to throw?

Merlin is absolutely right about the objection being to the human tragedy unfolding – and how right we were. I wish we’d been wrong. I often hoped we were.

Sharp: it would be interesting to look at Terre Blanche’s funding. Do you know anything about it? Mad bad people can exist quite independently of corporations, of course, but it does help if they have their money.

“the WI who slow hand-clapped Blair”

The WI is a Ba’ahist organization.

@Merlin – if pressed, I’d agree that the assassination of Hussein would be preferable to the million+ dead in Iraq now, though I am not comfortable with state-sanctioned murder in any circumstances. But given that most people agree the assassination of Hitler would have been more good than bad, perhaps the same applies to Hussein.

But the thing that I find most frustrating is that, if he was our useful son-of-a-bitch, then the people who installed him, and kept him armed, should bear some of the responsibility for his crimes. They knew what was going on when they sold chemical weapons to him, as did a young-looking Rumsfeld when he shook Hussein by the hand. What a pleasurable and profitable item of business!

However, the dilemma with siding with the “lesser-evil” argument in favour of state murder is that it will start to be applied in favour of the corporate elite. Before you know it, moderate or leftist politicians would be bumped off, all using the same logic. Therefore, one has to consider the outcome of supporting state-supported assassination even if on the surface it appears to be the least worst option.

No, the WI are a Bathist organisation. And a Then-straight-to-bed-ist one, too.

I still can’t get my head around the concept that rejoicing and showing a callous disregard, at the very least, in relation to the brutal murder of another human being… is somehow o.k., a truly “liberal” attitude, and squares with being a vigourous supporter of human rights and an anti-torture vocal campaigner.

TerreBlanche was a deluded, primative, brutal man. A man with odious views on “race” and the primacy of the white race. His views were so extreme he was almost a parody of a white racist. But for all that I wouldn’t have wished the man dead, beaten with a club and slashed with a machette. Call me old-fashioined, but I just don’t support senseless violence, murder, targetted killings, capital punishment; I think we should strive to make the use of violence, less, not more acceptable.

I felt no joy when Saddam Hussein was murdered in that ghastly cellar. It was a vile act of slaughter. I didn’t rub my hands together when his bruttish sons were killed either. I’m sick and tired of all the killing. I wouldn’t have executed the leading Nazis either, or Hitler. I think that was letting them off too easily. There are worse punishments than death. Life without respect, or power, for the powerful and feared is a far worse form of punishment. Showing them for what they really are, very ordinary men, when their power has been taken away, is a real punishment. Which is why Hitler took his own life, rather than face his enemies and their disdain.

Contrasting the photo of TerreBlanche in his full Moses/Brownshirt get up, with a photo from the Sharpville Massacre, is a piece of crude propaganda, which I believe insults the memory of those who were gunned down in Sharpville. It exploits them to make a political point, which is highly questionable. It’s similar to the way Zionists prostitute the memory of the Holocaust, and is just as unpleasant, and I’m actually rather surprised, no, shocked, that person with Craig’s expressed values would stoop to such methods.

I still can’t get my head around the concept that rejoicing and showing a callous disregard, at the very least, in relation to the brutal murder of another human being… is somehow o.k., a truly “liberal” attitude, and squares with being a vigourous supporter of human rights and an anti-torture vocal campaigner.

TerreBlanche was a deluded, primative, brutal man. A man with odious views on “race” and the primacy of the white race. His views were so extreme he was almost a parody of a white racist. But for all that I wouldn’t have wished the man dead, beaten with a club and slashed with a machette. Call me old-fashioined, but I just don’t support senseless violence, murder, targetted killings, capital punishment; I think we should strive to make the use of violence, less, not more acceptable.

I felt no joy when Saddam Hussein was murdered in that ghastly cellar. It was a vile act of slaughter. I didn’t rub my hands together when his bruttish sons were killed either. I’m sick and tired of all the killing. I wouldn’t have executed the leading Nazis either, or Hitler. I think that was letting them off too easily. There are worse punishments than death. Life without respect, or power, for the powerful and feared is a far worse form of punishment. Showing them for what they really are, very ordinary men, when their power has been taken away, is a real punishment. Which is why Hitler took his own life, rather than face his enemies and their disdain.

Contrasting the photo of TerreBlanche in his full Moses/Brownshirt get up, with a photo from the Sharpville Massacre, is a piece of crude propaganda, which I believe insults the memory of those who were gunned down in Sharpville. It exploits them to make a political point, which is highly questionable. It’s similar to the way Zionists prostitute the memory of the Holocaust, and is just as unpleasant, and I’m actually rather surprised, no, shocked, that person with Craig’s expressed values would stoop to such methods.

Technicolor,

Can there be serious doubt that there is anyone on this blog who is not the beneficiary of acts of rape, murder and pillage committed at some point in their ancestry? And if not, then to say that Terre Blanche deserved to die as some African victims of the apartheid government died amounts to saying that we should all be beaten to death with a lead pipe.

I believe Craig has made a serious error of judgment, which he should acknowledge. To encourage the enjoyment of violence cannot but encourage it.

Terreblanche, incidentally, a name that Craig thinks too ridiculous to be real, was, according to Wikipedia, the man’s real family name. His remotest African ancestor was a French Huguenot refugee named Estienne Terreblanche from Toulon(Provence), who arrived at the Cape in 1704.

For all his sins, and who of us are without sin, his aspiration for which he is so despised by some, was to create a white homeland in South Africa, a logical and fairly harmless extension, one would have thought, of the Apartheid idea. Not an idea likely to be adopted by the present government of South Africa, it is true, although why not? Terre Blanche’s family and that of many Boers have lived in Africa far longer than the families of most black South Africans. Should they not receive some consideration as indigenous people and allowed, if they wish, to retain their identity? Given a few hundred years of separate development and they might all turn into liberals.

No man is an island

Entire of itself

Each is a piece of the continent, a part of the main

Any man’s death diminishes me for I am involved in mankind

So send not to ask for whom the bell tolls

It tolls for thee

(John Donne, from memory, e&oe)

But I don’t think this blog owner would disagree. It seems he sees Terre Blanche as a symbol of the evils of apartheid. Since Terre Blanche tried to make himself into a symbol of the evils of apartheid, I can sort of understand it.

At the same time, writerman, I agree. And with Jon too. And Donne. No-one here is killing anyone, right? But there comes a point where fighting against war, even verbally, can indeed be a bit like fucking for virginity.

Actually, I’m pretty sure Craig would have tried to rescue anybody being set on by two people with machetes, and asked questions later. So really, this is not about him at all.

Some interesting & informative analysis from Mark, Suhayl and anno on the other thread, btw.

Are you indeed ‘just wondering’ Larry? I see you’ve moved on from your puerile accusations against the peace movement here without addressing any of the information given in return. I’m just wondering why anyone should give you any time of day at all?

Respond like a human please, or feck (have you watched Father Ted yet?) off.

PS Not that it’s a bad point in the ‘does one rejoice in the murder of murderous people?’ stakes, as such. Difference is, of course, that the people of the UK are not directly responsible for this one & therefore don’t have to hang their heads in shame and loathing as a result.

The best proof that this Nazi desrved what he got, is the fact that all the Zionists are queing up to defend that Nazi and all the Zionists are attacking us for attacking that Nazi.

Zionism and Nazism are one and the same.

Jon,

“I can’t make my mind up whether you’re a troublemaker or up for serious debate. Usually you discuss things in detail, but on a previous thread you make sweeping generalisations about liberals just to cause a provocation, and on this one you claim to believe that Craig’s post is an incitement to murder. But you don’t actually believe that, do you? Opposition to specific ideas is fine, but opposition to “liberals” in general is just political entrenchment, which is hardly in the spirit of co-operation and civility.”

I assure you I am absolutely serious in my view that to openly delight in the murder of someone because of their politics is a provocation to violence.

As for mocking liberals in general, I agree, it is not really constructive. I’m sorry. In future I will try to take them more seriously. But it is hard, listening to them justify murder for example, or explaining why Britain should have an immigration system based on that of Canada and Australia, near empty countries more than thirty times the size of Britain, etc.

Jon: “They knew what was going on when they sold chemical weapons to him, as did a young-looking Rumsfeld when he shook Hussein by the hand.”

I’m sick of these dumb arguments. Where’s your evidence, asshole?

There you go liar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw

Jon, don’t bother. Larry, google it. Or search this blog.

How many times do I have to see that video.

Where’s the evidence that the U.S. sold chemical weapons to Hussein.

Yes, e. coli and different chemicals were sold.

But you mentioned weapons.

Evidence?

@Louis

Actually no, Craig had no joy at the death of SH..but ETB was a proponent of a radical faction within the loons of last day aparthaid SA today. A man out of his time raging against the machine with no hope or future for himself or his followers. He holed up on a little farm and eventually realised his view of SA was not simply going to happen.

He was simply a product of his time and could not face change, bitter, twisted and angry..I personally am simply surprised he lasted as long as he did.

Just so you all know I am a simply guy !

technicolour:

Nazis and Roswell!

Google it!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=roswell+nazis&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Why TF whould I google Nazis and Roswell? Are you bat shit crrrazy?

Seriously, why should I?

Alfred: “a logical and fairly harmless extension, one would have thought, of the Apartheid idea”.

How can there be a logical or fairly harmless approach to the idea that people of one skin colour are superior and should rule people of another skin colour?

Someone please explain to technicolour my point.

Er, could you not explain your own point?

Larry,

when I feel hatred for you boiling up in me, I just remember this: there is nothing worse that I could wish upon you than to be that which you so obviously already are.

I hope that you can change before the day that you die.

Clark, are you really that pathetic? Are you getting all steamed at me because I demand evidence that the U.S. sold chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein?

If this is the sort of thing that inspires hatred, you need to get a handle on your obvious anger issues.

technicolour, googling it is not enough. You can find pretty much everything on the Internets with the Google Machine. You gotta apply some critical thinking as well.

Clark, chill, he’s only kidding. My blood is currently fermenting a bit about the fact that our council have just apparently spent £1.5 million on redesigning a local roundabout which didn’t need it.

£1.5 million! It beggars belief. And the old, and the vulnerable and the people on low incomes. I’d rather be a councillor than an MP at this rate (as well as rather being a hammer than a nail)

Larry the Lawyer,

for what purpose or motive do you attempt to deceive?

Larry: No really? You can find anything on Google? Well, I never. You mean I would have to substantiate facts with about six attributable sources to present a real case? Good lord.

You still haven’t told me why I should google anything about Roswell and Nazis, by the way.

Technicolour,

I’m OK, thanks. As I said, I already calmed myself by remembering that no one is forced to be like Larry.

Larry,

you will die one day. Can you prove that there’s nothing beyond?

Larry the Liar

We have provided more evidence that the US

sold Saddam his Weapons of mass destruction than what America had show to show he still had them. But yet you support their invasion?

Larry the Liar is someone that even his Mum hates!

“You still haven’t told me why I should google anything about Roswell and Nazis, by the way.”

You really are that dense, aren’t you?

Where is the evidence that the U.S. sold Hussein CBW?

(I’m waiting for Craig Murray to chime in and say, “When I was at the FCO, WE ALL KNEW that the U.S. sold Hussein CBW.”

Well you people believe that 911 was an inside job based on no evidence at all, so you’ll believe anything.

Dumbasses.

zzzzzzz

Larry,

all those violent deaths in which you rejoice. You have to cling so desperately to your belief that death is final; you really don’t want to meet them, do you?

Geez Louise, none of thesem fucks could work for t’British government. Bunch of fucking pussies.

Horror maninfests itself quickly – it is apparent. It helps if you can see it. The amount of political capiatal that Blair spent was fine if you’re a Tory (which I am) but it helps me to stoke up fury in the middle ranks (err..that’s you) and insistently state IT’S A FUCKING ILLEGAL WAR. Job done, let’s celebate Northern Ireland – no Tory on this planet could have done that.

I’m not angry with Labour, i’m upset. That they hired Bodgitt & Scarper for what was seriously man’s work. At the moment tho – i’m watching Salmond & the Welsh cunt and Robinson.

Cheers Craig

DtP

Technicolor,

My belief was that Terre Blanche and co wanted to go off on their own to some remote place and live by themselves. Of course I oppose a racist society. But I don’t think separate development of a self-selected minority constitutes racism. Try not to jump to conclusions.

Craig you tit….i thought you said it was Nadira’s Birthday no more blogging. How old is she by the way 17, 18…

“But I don’t think separate development of a self-selected minority constitutes racism.”

When that self-selection is made on racist grounds? Comeoffit.

Have you lot noticed something?

Or am I the only one?

The Zionist bunch who try and hint that everyone who disagree with Israel are pro-Nazi are here defending this Nazi and attacking us or mocking that Nazi.

Do you know, Arsalsan, what I’ve noticed is you & anno defending the scions of an unpopular immigrant minority with some humanity and understanding. Quite contrary to some of your more heated views on the people who currently live in Israel, in fact, and good on you.

Anon said:

“When that self-selection is made on racist grounds? Comeoffit.”

Is it racism for the Scots to want to live in Scotland and govern themselves. If you’ll agree that Craig’s a racist, I’ll agree that by virtue of wanting a white homeland in RSA T Blanche etc were by definition racists.

The fact is, here the term “racist” is overused to the point of meaninglessness. Anyone who wants to use the term should give clear operational definition of what they mean in the particular context.

Alfred; no: racism would be if the Scots went off and constructed an all-Scottish homeland in a corner of Scotland in which no one else apart from Scottish people were welcome. Scottish people mostly already live in Scotland by the way.

Racism, how does one define it? Judging people by race, seeing a race as superior or inferior, excluding people on grounds of race, attacking people on grounds of race? That’s my go. Yours?

Anon,

I have accused no one of racism so I am not obliged to define the term.

The fact that a bunch of white farmers want to live, as their forefathers lived, in a separate community in a country about thirty times as large as Scotland does not amount to “seeing a race as superior or inferior, excluding people on grounds of race, attacking people on grounds of race?”

So really, what you are saying is that as long as the white homelanders restrict their homeland to where Boer farmers are currently concentrated and provided that they don’t stick up signs saying “no colored people” etc. and are generally polite to visitors of whatever race, then all that makes them racist is their opposition to immigration of not white South African farmers. Sort of like the racism one hears of in Scotland:

http://news.scotsman.com/tacklingracisminscotland/Student-makes-vow-over-race.6000036.jp

The Wikileaks video has been viewed over 2 million times. That’s twice the number of Iraqi deaths for the information of those in denial.

Weep when you see this beautiful young widow and her two children who were injured when the barbarians went back to blow up the van. Her husband had returned to help and was killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BflAj2txMVQ&feature=channel&rel=0

This is the transcript of the verbal exchange from the cockpit. Note the use of the verb ‘to engage’ meaning ‘to kill’.

http://www.collateralmurder.com/file/transcript-en.txt

Burn in hell Blair, Bush, Brown, Cheney, Hoon, Rumsfeld, Straw, Rove, Goldsmith, Becket, Rice, Reid, Powell and all those others I have missed out.

Larry,

The information that the US sold biological weapons to Saddam is in the public domain, and very easily found.

What is more worrying is that they were still being sold months after the Halabja gassing of the Kurds.

If you dont know how to use Google Larry, here is the vital evidence from the US Department of Commerse…

Date : September 29, 1988

Sent To : Ministry of Trade

Materials Shipped:

1. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 240)

Batch # 05-14-63 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

2. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 938)

Batch # 1963 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

3. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 3629)

Batch # 10-23-85 (3 each)

4. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 8009)

Batch # 03-30-84 (3 each)

5. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 8705)

Batch # 06-27-62 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

6. Brucella abortus (ATCC 9014)

Batch # 05-11-66 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

7. Clostridium perfringens (ATCC 10388)

Batch # 06-01-73 (3 each)

8. Bacillus anthracis (ATCC 11966)

Batch #05-05-70 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

9. Clostridium botulinum Type A

Batch # 07-86 (3 each)

Class III pathogen

10. Bacillus cereus (ATCC 33018)

Batch # 04-83 (3 each)

11. Bacillus ceres (ATCC 33019)

Batch # 03-88 (3 each)

The Halabja massacre was on 17th March 1988

Happy as Larry now Larry ?

Re helicopter violence porn: what did people think they were doing?

Yes, the CDC stupidly sent those to various countries including Iraq. Some of the substances were probably used for medical research, including research on vaccines, but it’s possible that they were used to synthesize part of Hussein’s massive WMD’s. Also, this is a cherry-picked partial list; the CDC sent Iraq all sorts of other substances.

That’s a far cry from claiming that the U.S. armed Iraq with WMD’s.

Clark, are you trying to tell me that there is an afterlife?

Are you religious like some other people at this website?

Maybe the CDC thought Saddams stocks were low and needed a boost after the 5,000+ Kurds were slaughtered. (I know it’s possible Iran was responsible, but the US government has been publically pinning that massacre on Saddam)

6 months after that attack, and the US government thought nothing of sending more Anthrax and Botulism to the ‘mad-man’. That’s either gross negligence or accessory to murder.

If you look hard enough for this (not on wiki) you’ll find the original piece about chemical gas sales substantiated by the Heritage Foundation. Larry should remember this webversation (january, I think)

Otherwise one of the reasons the last Conservative government here collapsed was the scandal of undercover approved arms sales to Iraq. That is on wiki.

Is Larry getting a bit rattled by the snide remarks made aganst him? even is mother has turned up to tell him off, maybe he has a soul afterall, but i doubt he will be attending heaven in the eternal..

Clark: “Larry, are you an atheist?”

Larry: “More or less.”

Hmmm. So not exactly, then. What does quantum physics tell us about individuality and consciousness, Larry? For what purpose or motive do you attempt to deceive?

And are you sure it’s worth it? In the long term, I mean…

“mentally” – should have read “mentality”

Clark: “What does quantum physics tell us about individuality and consciousness, Larry?”

Well there’s a gem. You have no idea what quantum physics is. I know you think you do because you’ve been reading some hippie New Age crap, but that’s about as useful as the bullshit in the Quran.

Larry,

do you not accept the most accurate physical theory formulated so far? Do you not understand the significance of Alain Aspect’s experiments in relation to Bell’s Inequality?

Clark, you silly goose, I obviously accept all the repeatable, testable experiments related to quantum entanglement – nothing could be more fascinating – but I fundamentally object to the snake oil salesmen who misuse physics for their own greedy end, or in their pursuit of the stupid.

You’re simply a manipulated miscreant, Clark.

So, if there’s a starving kid in Africa, and he really really wants a plate of rice, are you telling me that he can get that plate of rice by magical thought?

I briefly read some info. from The Secret and laughed me arse off.

“Will this video shock America”

Not likely.

Murdering un-embedded journalists was announced as Pentagon policy in 2003.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/iraq_warns.htm

A THOUGHGHFUL REPLY TO WRITERMAN…

Writerman,

I applaud you for your truly humanitarian sentiments:-

” Terre Blanche was a deluded, primitive, brutal man. A man with odious views on “race” and the primacy of the white race. His views were so extreme he was almost a parody of a white racist. But for all that I wouldn’t have wished the man dead, beaten with a club and slashed with a machete. Call me old-fashioned, but I just don’t support senseless violence, murder, targeted killings, capital punishment; I think we should strive to make the use of violence, less, not more acceptable. ”

Yes, indeed if we are going to be noble and humane, then there is much in what you say. However, is there not a sort of Platonic justice as well in the sense of each man getting his just deserves, and isn’t our varying reactions not also a reflection of our humanity as we express it? Contrast:-

Martin Luther being asked about whether peaceful protest would have been the answer to Hitler’s savagery, and accepting that violence and war became necessary in those circumstances.

Change just one name in your views, as expressed:-

” TerreBlanche ( To: Adolph Hitler – now read on) – was a deluded, primitive, brutal man. A man with odious views on “race” and the primacy of the white race. His views were so extreme he was almost a parody of a white racist. But for all that I wouldn’t have wished the man dead, beaten with a club and slashed with a machete ( or dead in his bunker – as the case may be). Call me old-fashioned, but I just don’t support senseless violence, murder, targeted killings, capital punishment; I think we should strive to make the use of violence, less, not more acceptable.”

Maybe his murderers were simply directing the very violence that anyone of their hue were “deserving of”, and in a most brutal way he got his “just deserves”. Primitive thinking, yes, in a sense, yet we feel different way s about different human beings ?” don’t we ?” be this Terre Blanche or Adolph Hitler. One emotional size does not fit all human wearers ?” in a manner of speaking.

While I too want less violence in the world, less armaments, less nuclear weapons, less religious tensions, less racial and ethnic hatreds and a lot less of all the attitudes that drive us to conflicts, violence and war – sometimes even with those humane concerns at heart – I must be honest and say – I am more happy than saddened when those who promote such violence are no longer with us.

Larry,

you consist of quanta, entangled with all others for eternity, no aspect of you can be concealed. Not one instant of your life is repeatable, reversible or without consequence. So make your choices wisely. Goodnight.

“No man is an island” sayeth John Donne.

Yet he forgot the Isle of Man!

Clark, I do think it’s quite possible that the quanta of your brain are entangled with the quanta of my poop.

Spot on Mark Golding.

Even this morning at 6.45am Sky are advertising a film called The Pacific, presumably about WWII, as ‘so realistic you can feel it in your bones’. Quite. Especially if you happened to be on the receiving end of a machine gun. The irony will be lost on the war mongers like our friend LfStL.

And that ghastly Murdoch sits like some hideous spider in its lair, counting his shekels and planning how to increase his on the MSM.

By the way Mark, the viewing figures for that haunting video were over 2.5m last night. In just one day!

PS Murdoch is backing Cameroon. That says it all. The Guardian carried a good article by Peter Oborne at the w/e on Cameron’s ‘tainted’ Director of Communications, Andy Coulson, ex News of the Screws and the phone tapping scandals.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/04/david-cameron-andy-coulson-election

Larry is not an armchair warrior, he is a naughty!

Comparing TerreBlanche to Adolf Hitler is, I think a bit over-the-top, to put it mildly.

Whilst I’m not a pacifist, coming from a very warlike “clan”, I simply recoil at senseless violence. I think this individuals brutal murder was sordid, pathetic really. A crass and barbarous way to settle a dispute about unpaid wages, surely not worth anyones life, long prison sentences and young lives ruined and wasted?

How did TerreBlanche “deserve” to die exactly? Whilst he preached for a form of racial seperation based on delusion and mythology, does this excuse his murder over a trifle like unpaid wages?

We don’t, as yet, know very much about the facts of this case, yet already people are putting it into a context, a wider context, which I don’t believe holds water. It was a banal crime of a type that is all too prevalent in South Africa. Only TerreBlanche’s minor celebrity status makes this lastest act of senseless violence interesting and newsworthy.

The only difference between TerreBlanche and Adolf Hitler is opertunity.

The only difference between Zionist Israel and Nazi Germany are the people regarded as the master race, and the people amalekites(race fit only for exterminated).

Tech such comments are beanth you. we are apposed to that Nazi because of his views and actions, not because of his colour. We celebrate his death and his eternal damination because of his white supremcist beliefs as well as his beliefs in Black inferiority. We don’t appose him because of his race, but because of his racism.

And we apose Zionism and Zionists for the same reason.

The only difference between this dead Nazi and the Zionist settlers in Israel, is the Zionist settlers in Israel are still doing what this dead Nazi used to.

Off Topic

Theres a nice video of Bush wiping his hand on Clintons shirt after shaking the hand of one of them dirty Hiatians…..

Mary: “Even this morning at 6.45am Sky are advertising a film called The Pacific, presumably about WWII, as ‘so realistic you can feel it in your bones’. Quite. Especially if you happened to be on the receiving end of a machine gun. The irony will be lost on the war mongers like our friend LfStL.”

Mary, yes, it’s about WWII.

Would you rather have had the Japanese Imperial Army take over all of East Asia and the South Pacific?

arsalan, sorry, what comments?

Could anyone please tell if there is any basis in Islam for celebrating anyone’s death – even those of Nazis and white supremacists such as Terreblanche. I can understand the concept of just killings in rare circumstances – but to celebrate them would appear to be a step too far.

Stephen everyone seems to be rarely happy with his death other than Nazis?

Israel has lost another friend, boohoo.

I was 6 at the time of that massacre. What would you have liked me to do about it?

It’s time to let go of the past. Was ETB a murderous bastard? Yes. Should all white South Africans continue to be targetted for racist commentary and accusations of complicity in Apatheid? Probably not.

“The only difference between TerreBlanche and Adolf Hitler is opertunity.”

You might be right there, Arsalan. He certainly wrapped himself in Nazi-like iconography and used supremacist language.

Remind you of anyone you know?

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/uploads/cmimg_12600.jpg

Best buddies of Arsalan’s best buddies:

http://tinyurl.com/yhf57se

Anyone care to tell me who the guy with the nice moustache in this picture is and who he modelled his moustache on?

http://tinyurl.com/yfprpn3

Hamas have not so much gone for the Nazi look here than the KKK look.

Awwww! And what an adorable kid.

http://tinyurl.com/yh2hho9

Stop it angrysoba! This is hate speech!

Here is an example of intimidation by ‘Big Brother’ with threats of death, probably by head shots after ‘suspecting’ a persons identity.

A policy approved by the Conservatives in line with their pre-emption directives.*

*See Conservation white paper on security and foreign policies.

http://tinyurl.com/death-to-all-muslims

“If Dannatt’s comments are a reflection of the thinking in the Conservative party, it is yet further confirmation of their following the ideologues and architects of the ‘war on terror’ in Washington, and an indication that David Cameron’s Conservatives would be committing themselves to an almost perpetual war against the political aspirations of the Muslim world ?” to move towards a greater role for Islam in governance and a greater move to shed the shackles of colonialism, both of which are represented in the aspiration for the return of the Caliphate.”

Be warned – what Dannatt decrees Chris Grayling follows.

Forget all the political bickering, the ‘big picture’ amounts to control in the Middle East and beyond – Cameron has pledged to the Conservative Friends of Israel this:

“Prominent members of the Zionist community are playing a major role in financing David Cameron’s bid for power…”

“Chief among his financial backers are Poju Zabludowicz, billionaire chairman of Bicom…”

“A former aide to Tory leader David Cameron is to play a major role in a pro-Israel campaign being launched by Bicom, the British Israel Communications and Research Centre…”

“The Jerusalem Post, informed us that the Conservative Opposition leader David Cameron was a believer in Zionism, the political ideology behind the Jewish state of Israel, and the ideological framework behind its crimes. The Jerusalem Post writes:

“I am a Zionist,” Conservative Party leader David Cameron told an audience of party supporters of Israel in London.

“Stop it angrysoba! This is hate speech!”

That’s right. I think it’s called anti-semitism.

Mark Golding, that post is a word salad of nothingness.

Once again MJ chimes in and shows just how clueless s/he is.

The point was LfStL that Murdoch is gloryfying war and making money from it.

You will find that World War veterans do not want to tell their stories or speak of the horror. It’s only Hollywood who rake in mega bucks from this gung ho stuff and the video games producers also profit from the war games nonsense.

Have you heard of Harry Patch one of the last WWI veterans who recently died at the age of 111?

Patch described war as the “calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings” and said that “war isn’t worth one life.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Patch

Have you ever read any war poetry? Probably not.

And what is your opinion on the atomic bombing of the captive civilian populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Similarly we razed Dresden to rubble. Justifiable? In your eyes probably yes.

As expected the Zionists are here to attack anyone who attacks that white supremacist.

It is a well known fact that they are both on the same side.

“Once again MJ chimes in and shows just how clueless s/he is”

Larry, that post is a word salad of nothingness.

“As expected the Zionists are here to attack anyone who attacks that white supremacist.

It is a well known fact that they are both on the same side.”

Hey, you can keep your white supremacists, Arsalan.

Remember those good ole days?

http://tinyurl.com/yg6rool

“And what is your opinion on the atomic bombing of the captive civilian populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Similarly we razed Dresden to rubble. Justifiable?”

And what is your opinion of the extermination by the German of six million Jews? What do you think of the Armenian genocide?

as expected Larry and angry bash Islam when all else fails.

“The point was LfStL that Murdoch is gloryfying war and making money from it.”

What the fuck does Murdoch have to do with it? Is his company the distributor in the U.K.? Certainly he had nothing to do with the production.

“You will find that World War veterans do not want to tell their stories or speak of the horror.”

Some do. Have you seen Band of Brothers? A running theme was that very few of them wanted to talk about it until late in life.

They were busy creating a world in which you can spit on them for having made the decisions that they had to make.

Get a fucking clue.

“as expected Larry and angry bash Islam when all else fails.”

I don’t know how I’m bashing Islam, Arsalan, but when all else fails resort to self-pity.

I am responding to the fact that ever since you heard some nasty white supremacist met a nasty end you’ve been gleefully babbling on about “Nazi Zionists, the Zionist Nazis, Zionism-Nazism,” to the point of complete incoherence.

You pointed out that the only difference between Terreblanche and Hitler was opportunity. I am showing you a few pictures of “anti-Zionists” (only you interpret them as representatives of Islam. I don’t).

If you look at those pictures you’ll see a bunch of people appearing as they want to appear. Making Nazi salutes, with swastika-type armbands, Hitler-like moustaches.

How am I bashing Islam?

Once again Arsalan Goldberg starts a fight and then when it doesn’t go his way he has to whine whine whine whine.

The SSNP are not Muslim, by the way. And the guy I asked you to identify is, in fact, Druze.

Now, how am I bashing Islam?

And I thought the guy with the moustache was Arsalan’s mom.

(He went after my mother, so I can give back).

Eddie “Arsalan” Goldberg reminds me of this asshole:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoSNeLFkxQ0&feature=related

“And what is your opinion of the extermination by the German of six million Jews? What do you think of the Armenian genocide?”

Words cannot do justice to these horrors and countless others like them. They are what happen when we allow cynical propaganda to destroy our decency and sense of common humanity and kinship. The latest Holocaust is well underway and it is clear who the targets are this time around. The angrylarrys have of course lapped up the propaganda so are dutifully cheering it along, just like much of the German population did in the 30s.

Look up the meaning of ‘semitic’ guys, then have a long hard look at yourselves.

Once again MJ makes no sense.

By the way, if there are still South African and other folks visiting this site for the first time – please understand that over 90% of the commenters on this blog are conspiracy nuts who believe in the notion that George Bush put explosives in the World Trade Center prior to September 11.

Damn. I just added a long comment but forgot Clark’s warning not to post more than two URLs at a time.

Craig, can you let me know if it disappeared like last time? Thanks!

Spoiler alert!

We’re about to be treated to some more dreoilin stupidity!

The link between Elvis, Conservatives and AIPAC.

Not much was reported from the speech by David Cameron at the CFI lunch at the Dorchester Hotel last June. I asked, “what caused Cameron and his mass of MPs and parliamentary candidates to flock to the Friends of Israel lunch in the year of the Gaza invasion? My question was never answered so I decided to investigate myself. Here are my findings and I hope a better idea of the direction of British foreign policy under the Conservative Party.

The pro-Israeli lobby in Britain.

Do they have influence? – very much so if by crawling through the threats of anti-semitism you can gain information.

Influence for instance that caused a BBC’s Trust report on Jeremy Bowen in his reporting of the massacre in Gaza last year. Another complaint by Jonathan Turner of the Zionist Federation lead to the Beebs refusal to broadcast the Disasters Emergency Committee Gaza appeal. The Beebs refusal to screen an aid appeal from Britain’s top charities for the people of Gaza, resulting in millions of pounds less money being raised to help children impoverished in Gaza.

Then our British Broadcasting channel refused to disclose a report by Malcolm Balen into its Middle East coverage which cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds to the licence fee payer. An FOI revealed the Beeb had spent over a quarter of a million pounds on legal fees relating to the case – Nice eh? – your hard earned license cash!

To achieve this powerful influence MORE THAN 50% of the Conservative cabinet are members of the Conservative Friends of Israel! An inside track tells me that when the Conservatives assume power they will formulate a foreign policy to attack Iran and steal her resources! Yes, another Iraq massacre in the offering straight from the whispers of Robert Halfon the CFI’s operational brain.

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2007/06/robert_halfon_t.html

We recently heard on the BBC, donations for the Conservative Party come from ‘big business’ – Yes from board members of the CFI made through their companies, or the CFI itself!

Over the past three years the CFI has flown over thirty Conservative parliamentary candidates to Israel on free trips together with their families.

The CFI played an influential role in stiffening the Conservative Party’s opposition to the UN resolution based on the Goldstone Report into the Israeli attack on Gaza.

How has the Beeb been affected by this powerful lobby?

A Beeb documentary about its nuclear weapons entitled “Israel’s Secret Weapon” shown on BBC World was critised by Israel calling it, “the worst of Nazi propaganda”…

Richard Sambrook employed Malcolm Balen, a former head of ITV News and senior BBC executive, to write the now infamous Balen Report on the BBC’s Middle East coverage post 9/11 and the Iraq war. The result of this was the Andrew Gilligan sting/setup that got rid of the BBC governers and replaced them with pro-Israel ‘Trustees’ – notice the difference?

Thus in April 2009, Jeremy Bowen, was criticised by the BBC Trust for breaching their rules of accuracy and impartiality in an online piece, and their rules of accuracy in a radio piece. Indeed a win for the CFI lobby!

BICOM, the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre, is Britain’s major pro-Israel lobby. Founded in 2001 as an equivalent to America’s hugely influential AIPAC, it is bankrolled by its Chairman Poju Zabludowicz, a Finnish billionaire and former arms dealer. Over the past three years Zabludowicz has given over two million pounds in donations.

Zabludowicz’s father, provided the IDF with artillery for its Gaza campaign and owns property in the illegal West Bank settlements.

Zabludowicz, impressed by Cameron, transferred £15,000 through his British subsidiary Tamares Real Estate Investments to help his rise to power and Bicom finances Conservative propaganda against Iran (Psycho Doomsday is Nigh) while directing damaging journalistic articles away from Palestine.

Oh I forgot to mention: Mr Feldman, who impersonates Elvis Presley in his spare time had a fortunate escape from prosecution for tax fraud. But his latest business venture (the Leader Club where for £50,000, donors get access to Mr Cameron) may turn out to be a high-profile heartbreak hotel.

dreoilin

Now we have a Zionist Israeli newspeper stating that an High ranking Israeli Soldier took organs for sale from Arabs, I bet the Zionists will still say it is antisemetism.

It is just their way of saying “We don’t want people to know that”.

How much do you want to bet that they will be released when people lose interest?

Wash your mouth out LfStL and mind your language.

@3.42

Of course Shulamit Aloni and many others who complain about the actions of the Israel government are Zionists as well in that they believe in the continued existence of the State of Israel. This is not an argument for the abolition of the State of Israel but for a fundamental change in its behaviour.

FAO LfStL with my compliments

“After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there was Fallujah.”

The United States Takes the Matter of Three-headed Babies Very Seriously.

By William Blum

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25152.htm

Those maybe the views of that Zionist, but not of this AntiZionist.

Israel is by Nature a Nazi state, Removing the Nazism will be by definition removing the Zionism.

If there was no racism, Israel will stop existing. Palestinians already have a majority between the river and the sea.

To including all those that were ethnically cleansed, raises their number to 12 000 000.

So Israel isn’t a democracy, if it ever became a democracy it would stop being a Jewish state. Because of the Palestinian majority.

Jews have the right to return to German and reclaim the lands and houses stolen by the Nazi. Palestinians have as much right to go to where they were kicked out from and reclaim what was taken by them. If Israel doesn’t give them this right, Unlike Germany, Israel is still a Nazi state.

Dreoilin, Arsalan, Mary, Mark Golding,

thank you all.

Stephen,

the longer and more successful the cover-up is, the worse the eventual consequences are likely to be.

Clark – you’re thanking Arsalan, someone who wants to enslave women? What would your karmic quanta think of that?

Answer my question, larries:

Helicopter: bang-bang: dead kids – you like?

I’m not that sorry Terreblanche is no longer alive – I am sorry that his death could lead to lots of white people killing black people (again) and lots of black people killing white people

So Larry the Lion, the King of the Animals, is pawing Dreoilin, the king of the birds.

Such is the law of the jungle. Where we appear to be living at the moment.

Remind you of a video?

MJ,

Yes, I know what “semitic” means thank you and in no way canit be called anti-semitic to post pictures of Hamas and Hizbollah striking fascistic poses unless you do it approvingly.

Just out of interest, do I take it that not one “anti-Zionist” gets the slightest amount of discomfort looking at kids being paraded in suicide vests or goose-stepping para-military organizations making Nazi salutes?

Is it considered some kind of necessary evil? I.E something you would normally be horrified by but somehow you rationalize away as quite “okay”?

Arsalan,

If you think that Israel is a fascistic country in which it treats its minority citizens like the Amalekites then how come Israeli Arabs and Muslims have far greater rights there then they do in the rest of the Middle East? How is it you can wag your finger at Israeli democracy when none exists outside it (except very truncated forms in Lebanon and Iran)?

I’m glad you are at least honest in saying the only solution that will satisfy you is the complete destruction of Israel. At least you’re honest. It seems that none of your supporters admit that they want Israel’s complete dismemberment. Maybe I should ask them, what do you think Clark, MJ, Mary, Mark Golding, Suhayl Saadi, dreolin?

Do you agree that only the destruction of Israel can bring peace?

Do you support the destruction of Israel?

Arsalan, you talk about Jews having the “right to return to Germany” assuming that Germany is their natural home and that all Jews began there. This conveniently forgets the yishuv who were already living in Palestine. It also forgets the Jews who lived in Cairo (until they were turfed out), Tripoli (until they were turfed out) and Baghdad (until they were turfed out). Are you able to grant them a right to return to those places and can you guarantee their safety once scattered “to the four winds” as Galloway might say?

Could you confirm that those Jews who can prove a lineage that goes further back than, say, Yasser Arafat in Palestine won’t be subject to second class citizenship under Hamas? No, because you couldn’t even guarantee that for Arab and Muslim Israelis who live there now.

So, how about it. Given that this issue animates so many of you to the point of obsession. What do you see as the solution to this problem? Or are you just striking poses too?

Arsalan,

I really have no idea what will happen – my understanding is that Haaretz is considered “left wing”. I assume there is a law against “unofficial” organ harvesting in Israel.

Angrysoba,

I asked you months ago about your position on Israel. You avoided answering. I asked you privately by e-mail; your answers were contradictory. I said that I believed that you had deceived me, and you claimed to have no idea what I was talking about.

I really think that it is time that you declared your interest.

Angrysoba, I have no idea what the least disruptive answer is. I think that the setting up of Israel was an incredibly destructive act. I would call it stupid too, but I suspect that all the death and suffering caused has helped line someone’s pockets, and in fact they were very clever.

What I do know about the search for a solution is that it is in no way helped by people acting as you have been, by having an agenda that they do all they can to hide, while attempting to discredit humane and courageous people such as Craig, simply because he does not support Israel’s expansionism. You do not gain yourself allies by this method.

And Zionists could stop trying to distort our media and run our government, too.

Angrysoba,

sorry, I got a bit cross there, but I have found you to be deceptive, and that upsets me. The whole topic of Israel is so polarised that it is difficult to think clearly about it. Honesty has to be the first step. It’s time I went to bed. Goodnight.

Angrysoba: “no way canit be called anti-semitic to post pictures of Hamas and Hizbollah striking fascistic poses unless you do it approvingly”.

What is a “fascistic pose”? Sticking your hand in the air? Come on. The issue is whether Hamas and Hizbollah are fascist organisations. Obviously they’re not. Essentially they’re resistance organisations.

“do I take it that not one “anti-Zionist” gets the slightest amount of discomfort looking at kids being paraded in suicide vests or goose-stepping para-military organizations making Nazi salutes?”

I find it very disturbing and I’d be surprised if there was anyone here who didn’t. But I don’t know what your real point is. That all Muslims are fanatical psychopaths? That all Arabs are? That Palestinians don’t deserve their own country back because they’re just savages? (Maybe if they had Apache helicopters and could cruise round Tel Aviv picking off random Israelis from a distance they would seem more civilised). I would remind you that in the Warsaw Ghetto the Jewish resistance perpetrated some pretty blood-curdling atrocities against the German occupiers. I don’t recall anyone suggesting they should have been denied a homeland because of this.

“Is it considered some kind of necessary evil? I.E something you would normally be horrified by but somehow you rationalize away as quite “okay”?”

It’s what happens when powerless people take on the state military machine. Just like the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.

“It seems that none of your supporters admit that they want Israel’s complete dismemberment”.

Since you ask my view I accept the existence of Israel as a fait accompli. Most of its citizens were born there. No-one is proposing a Stern Gang or Irgun style ethnic cleansing. If there is to be a two-state solution then I think it has to be along the lines of the several UN resolutions, ie the 1967 borders. Nothing less. I think the rest of the world should enforce this, as vigorously as it did the expulsion of Iraq from Kuwait.

There is a lot to be said however for a single state solution where Jews and Palestians co-habit as equals. Not called Israel, not “The Jewish State”, but just Palestine, as it used to be before the war.

“Israeli Arabs and Muslims have far greater rights there then they do in the rest of the Middle East?”

A rather sick joke. Unless you consider having your home being bulldozed down, or being forcibly confined in a vast outdoor concentration camp, or having your schools and hospitals routinely reduced to rubble to be inalienable “rights”.

angrysoba

I know you call Israel a democracy, and I call it a Nazi state. Come to think of it, the two statements do not contradict.

Israel can be both because Nazi Germany was both.

Hitler was elected,l and the Israeli rulers are elected.

But I still don’t agree that Israel is any sort of democracy, because Israel chooses who are allowed to vote to control the outcome of the elections.

So when Israel was founded 80% of the Palestinians were killed or expelled, there by having their voting rights taken away.

That is your democracy, one where the people who would vote against you are killed and expelled so you can win.

Even though I disagree with you that Israel has turned in to the land of milk and honey for the few Arabs who weren’t expelled by the Nazi. You know as well as I do, the amounts Israel invest on the education of Arabs as compared to Jews, and the housing rules. Jew only towns and Jobs. I am not sure why you want to restrict the discussion to them?

What about the rest of the Palestinians, the ones in the West Bank, Gaza and the ones that were kicked out completely.

You consider Israel a democracy, American Iraq a democracy along with the millions of death and the 35% of children who are now orphans a democracy, and America’s Afghanistan a democracy.

Take your democracy and shove it. If this is democracy, it is a good thing few countries have it.

Very late to this discussion, but I was pretty shocked to see Craig’s initial response… I certainly didn’t feel jubilant when this news came through about the death of TerreBlanche.

First things first, TerreBlanche was a neo-nazi. He headed a horrible white supremacist group, a group which came about because they felt in the 70s the apartheid government was going soft.

The greatest danger with his death, as everyone from Jacob Zuma down has acknowledged, is that it is politicised, and TerreBlanche becomes something bigger than what he in fact was. I would imagine most South Africans, like myself, would simply want TerreBlanche to be buried without any fanfare, and for the accused to get a fair trial which doesn’t turn into a political circus.

The AWB was and is a fringe group – it threatened to become more back in 93-94 when it was forging links with people like Constant Viljoen, who was a far more credible leader. But when Viljoen supported the democratisation of South Africa, the AWB were cut loose again. (Mandela by the way has a lot of time for Viljoen).

For those of us who lived through the tensions generated by events such as the assassination of Chris Hani, the death of TerreBlanche brings back the the spectre of the cycle of violence that so many of us dread. I love my homeland deeply, and I continue to hold out hope for the future -but incidents like this are never a cause for celebration because of what sort of reprisals etc could follow.

I also want to point out a little irony about pulling up a picture of the Sharpeville massacre – this was carried out by government security services, whose masters were incomparably more cynical and craven than TerreBlanche’s lot. You only need read through reports from the TRC (look for Vlakplaas, Dirk Coetzee and police death squads) to understand that the vast proportion of the violence perpetrated on black South Africans was sanctioned by the government, to whom the AWB were opposed.

There is nothing commendable at all in TerreBlanche’s political views, but I have a grain of respect for his openness – the truly repugnant slice of Afrikaner South Africa is that which ran the country… PW Botha, FW de Klerk, Adriaan Vlok, Avril Malan, those are the most depraved scumbags from our recent history, TerreBlanche was more of a cartoonish figure who hopefully will remain that way.

For Larry.

‘Beyond Self: 108 Korean Zen Poems’by Ko Un

*THE HERMIT*

Jang Ku-Song the hermit was busy shitting when he heard frogs croaking. It made him recite

The croaking of frogs on moonlit nights in early spring pierces the world from end to end, makes us all one family.

Look, if you’ve had your shit, wipe yourself and get out of here.

Angrysoba,

I don’t know what ultimately should happen about Israel. However, I am sure that (1) I don’t wish my government to give support to Israel’s current behaviour and that (2) I want the media to stop being biased in Israel’s favour.

However, I suspect that, given the influence of Israel’s supporters, and the fact that conflict makes money for the media and the military – industrial complex, the situation will be permitted (encouraged?) to deteriorate, ultimately forcing the sort of solution that Arsalan suggests.

Such a scenario could prove to be an utter disaster for everyone, given Israel’s nuclear weapons.

The Zionist white supremacist Terreblanche died while raping a black boy!

SA police investigate sex link to Terreblanche killing

One of the suspects in the Eugene Terreblanche murder case

The suspects (one pictured here with face covered) were allegedly drunk

South African police are investigating allegations of sexual assault prior to the killing of white supremacist leader Eugene Terreblanche.

A lawyer for one of the two accused men said Terreblanche tried to have sex with at least one of the defendants.

Mr Terreblanche’s body was found on a bed with his trousers pulled down.

Police had initially said the killing was over a wage dispute, but are now exploring the possibility that the killing was an act of self-defence.

“We are not going to focus on one thing,” said Musa Zondi of the Hawks, South Africa’s elite criminal investigation unit, which has taken over the investigation.

“We will investigate all pertinent facts that have a bearing on the matter.”

Eugene Terreblanche in Pretoria in June 2004

The media must choose now whether they want to

AWB spokesperson Andre Visagie:

“The media must choose now whether they want to

AWB spokesperson Andre Visagie:

“The media must choose now whether they want to