That’s a pretty naughty thing to say, Craig! I personally would be shocked and appalled if Blair met his end like this. Shocked that justice had actually been served, and appalled that it had not happened much earlier.

I only know him from Louis Theroux’s TV show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPbExwBJiwY

Is that official Lib em policy Craig?

This site really is sinking low.

Eugene Terreblanche was… was a bit of a nutcase. His movement was nostalgic for a mythcal society that never existed, except in the warped fantasies of a handful of white supremacists.

His romanitic nationalism for the white race and its culture led him towards self-parody; wearing the uniform of a brownshirt, Nazi ritual and riding a charger down highstreets!

He was an almost totally marginalised figure, with little influence, so it would be bizarre if he became a martyr. More powerful as a symbol, in death, than he ever was when he was alive.

Still his brutal murder, surely there is nothing even remotely satisfying about an old man being beaten and hacked to death, no matter how much one disagrees with him, or am I missing something here? Does one really find certain murders acceptable because of the politics/ideology of the victim? Personally I deplore all senseless killing and violence.

Whilst, in theory, in my dreams, I’d like to see many people hanging from lamposts full of bulletholes; in reality I’m opposed to state-sanctioned murder or mob violence, and would rather see the guilty put to work digging latrines for the rest of their lives. I’d make Blair, Hoon, and Straw work down the sewers, where they belong. Still, enough of such fantasies.

What’s interesting about Terreblanche’s death, is how “normal” this kind of terrible violence is in South Africa, which is close to being the most violent country on earth, with a staggeringly high murder rate, not to mention robbery and rape.

Something like 3,000 white farmers have been killed over the last ten or fifteen years, and Terreblanche, is just another one, and he won’t be the last. Surely this is the larger perspective one should see this lastest incident in?

Eugene Terre Blanche

Whose he?

Oh you mean that south African Zionist?

Oh sorry I meant Nazi?

Whose, its the same shit, just different arse holes.

Perhaps Archbishop Tutu could read the sermon at his funeral

Well the toaster nearly did it for T. Bliar.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8603094.stm

Hope he gets a big bill from Bucks Fire Brigade.

PS ‘Terror’ Blanche was of French Huguenot origin. See Wiki. Horrible man and AWP a vile bunch of racist supremacists.

“I do hope nobody kills Tony Blair, or I shall have to refraiin from peals of laughter and dancing for joy.”

And you still think that it was wrong that you were sacked for your lack of diplomatic skills?

Something told me Stephen and the other Zionists will be here. Israel was apartheid south Africa’s best friend.

writerman

You are looking in the wrong place for sympathy for White South African farmers – or Zimbabwean ones, for that matter.

You truly are an idiot. You are pretty much agreeing with white farmers being brutaly murdered. What does that make you?

While it is always instructive to see the chickens come home to roost, I do think writerman has made a good point about the endemic violence and criminality in S. Africa. The ruling factions in the ANC made a pact with the USA and the White power in S. Africa that they would maintain capitalism and the mal-distribution of wealth and this, on top of the long decades of apartheid tyranny, has contributed to the current situation. S. Africa needed a radical redistribution of wealth and a massive and sustained health programme. I’m not saying it’s easy, I don’t envy those trying to impact positively on the situation.

Desmond Tutu actually has been very vocal in his criticism of the situation. He very graciously allowed us to publish one of his keynote speeches a few years ago in a book published to celebrate 10 years of the first free elections: ‘Freedom Spring: Ten Years On’. Andre Brink (‘A Dry White Season’) wrote the Preface – he too has been increasingly vocal in recent years.

To those of you who have never lived in South Africa, but still feel they have the right to comment – go live there and THEN come back and comment!! I don’t condone what Terrblanche did or what he stood for, but you need to find out ALL the facts about SA before you go off at the pie hole! The native South African population are of a culture you could never possibly understand, you having lived in such a protected society all your life. Besides, not matter what a person believes in or stands up to, nobody deserves to be brutally slain like he was. Would any one of you like to live in a country where they chant “kill the boer” – of course, you don’t understand this statement, so let me explain. It means, kill the white farmer. I’ve at least lived there most of my life, so feel it is my place to comment of something I at least learned about at school, in between learning about British history, which is more than any of you can say. Most of you think that Zimbabwe is in South Africa – lame.

Expat

“have you ever had a cold metal gun planted against your temple”?

Yes, I have. You have picked the wrong man for a dangerous situations in foreign parts contest.

I suggest you read The Catholic Orangemen of Togo. The stealing of land from Africans by white colonists is the root cause of many of Africa’s conflicts – as in Kemya, where the racial tensions date back to the displacement of tribes into other tribes territory by white land seizures.

Myths of empty land and the inefficiency of African farming techniques justify this land grab.

I know South Africa very well, thank you.

Well said Expat, If you never been there then shut up. It is a worry what is going to happen in the future in SA. Us with Kids there worry all the time as it is, the price of human life to Africans is very cheap, A cell phone, wallet, car, whatever,

While I think E.T. was a weirdo, Murdering someone over a wage dispute??? Or cause of a young upstart that thinks it’s a good idea to “Kill the Boer”" Just a matter of time until SA is in the same position as Zim is. I am in no hurry to be a part of that again. Mugabe was right, let African’s sort Africa out. See where they get with that, What with all the Bribery and corruption from within the Goverment???? The man in the street is doomed, he will be reduces to a life of poverty as he was as he claims to have been before Black majority rule. My heart bleeds for Africa, But I’m happy that I’m out of it..

One thing I’ll say for the white farmers, and the Nazi that got what he paid for, they are not as bad as their Zionist alias.

come on all you bleeding hearts,the world has just become a better place!

Afrikaaners, like Israelis and Ulster Unionists really are a horrible bunch of evil primitive bastards.

Funnily enough they’re all mates with eachother but with no one else.

Arsalan – SA and Israhell still are best buddies. Shin Bet are stationed at Johannesburg airport trawling through passports and picking up info etc and other dirty work.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2010/02/02/israeli-shin-bet-spies-uncovered-in-south-african-airports-working-for-el-al-airlines-video/

We can call it the axis of no mates?

Zionists settlers, Africaaner settlers and Unionist settlers?

They all like to boohoo about no one liking them.

Hang on a minute I know a song about that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSLMKUXZ3hk

Craig,

I’m not trying to create sympathy or excuses for white farmers in Southern Africa… but I do find your glib and flippant attitude to the brutal murder of another human being… a rather barmy and often brutal one, rather unpleasant. And this from someone who is a passionate believer in human rights and is opposed to the arbetrary use of violence. Surely the right to life is the fundamental human right? These rights apply equally to people one disagrees with, no?

Not only do you apparently see something “amusing” in the murder of a deluded, confused, racist, nutter, like Terreblanche, but you seem to have a surprisingly casual attitude to the killings of thousands of farmers in South Africa as well. How do you reconcile your belief in human rights with your lack of sympathy, or should that be empathy, for the deaths of so many people?

I believe that every human life is precious and unique. I think the idea that some human life is less than worthy to live, is an abomination.

Whilst I am not a pacifist, and come from a very warlike clan indeed, personally I think there has been too much killing for too long, much of it totally senseless, like the needless slaughter of white farmers in Zimbabwe and South Africa. A more sensible way of resolving the problem of land distribution in these societies is perfectly feasable, along with a more equitable distribution of the rest of society’s wealth.

Do you know what those bastards in the axis of ‘no mates’ can’t stand about us?

Our friendship in spite of our differences.

On our side we have communists, capitalists, ultra orthodox Jews, Islamic extremists like myself, libertarians, hippies and everyone else, we have everybody, and we all get along in spite of our differences.

Our marches contain every colour creed, political ideology and philosophy.

They can’t stand it, the jealousy makes them sick!

So they say, you can you unite with them, or you and your those friends, to try and pull us apart, but it doesn’t work so they become very angry.

Because all they can unite with is each other, to form the axis of haters.

We have everybody, and they have no body. Our numbers are increasing while theirs are diminishing.

They have the rulers in their pockets, so they still have the ability to do what they do. but this will not last forever, and they know it.

I always saw him as a sinister figure, particularly after he was jailed for an especially violent assault on someone that left his victim brain damaged.

From the news reports it sounds like a murder case involving a dispute over wages, not a mob attack presaging a generalised racial conflict. But murder is murder and the killers should be brought to justice.

Lets get something straight about the dead Nazi. He wasn’t killed by us who hate what he stands for he was killed by his workers.

He wasn’t killed because of his colour, his racist views or even the people he murdered, he was killed because he didn’t pay his staff for the work he hired them to do.

This just proves, racists like him don’t just have unpleasant views, they are also very unpleasant people in each and every way.

This man was killed because he was a thief who told people to work for him, but when the work was complete refused to pay.

The Nazis Zionist friends and allies are no different.

Whoah! I hadn’t realized he was hacked to death.

I could see why someone wouldn’t be sad to see the old Nazi bigot croak but the smirking at such brutal summary justice is ill-becoming of a self-styled human rights activist.

Certainly not surprised at Arsalan’s reaction, though.

The feeling of sympathy to any loss of life is what makes us humane and you should honestly, honestly, question yourself if you feel none. Having opinions for the sake of having opinions, is meaningless. What do you wish to achieve?

Give me clarity

Positivity

Please

Well, I am not a pacifist. And he was not a lovable old eccentric.

If the white farmers gave back the land that was stolen fron black people, they would have very little to worry about.

Hiba,

To use the obvious reductio ad absurdum, I don’t think there was a great deal of grief in the UK at the death of Hitler.

The white supremacists of South Africa killed and enslaved on an incredible scale – he was not some bumbling cuddly racial theorist.

I don’t buy the idea that black Africans should just forget all that and accept the poverty that comes from the annexation and rape of Africa’s resources by white people.

As I say, if you are genuinely interested, read the Catholic Orangemen of Togo.

I do not belong to the AWB or suport what they stand for. But SA does have a big problem, crime is out of control. Our president can not , or do not want to do something about Julius Marlema, which are spreding hate against white’s.

I also do not grieve E.T’s passing.

Like many die-hard farmers in that north-western farmland of South Africa – raised under the all-pervading propaganda of the apartheid regime – which controlled the media and educational curriculum of the time – E.T. underpaid his workers and didn’t respect payday. He was murdered for it, by angry young hotheads. Murder is never condoned, but one should try and understand the context.

I am a little disappointed by your glee and bloodlust, though, Craig.

You write: “If the white farmers gave back the land that was stolen fron black people, they would have very little to worry about.”

We could apply this to the US – which was settled by colonialists during the same century as S.A. Should white Americans not be handing back tracts of land to Native Americans, freeing them from their bantustan reservations?

How about the way white Australians laid claim to Aboriginal land?

How about the way Israelis conduct land grabs, occupy and build on Palestian territories?

sadly there is no chance of the original inhabitants gaining political control in America or Australia. Africa is different. I don’t mind white people living there – I do myself, much of the time – but Africans should take back control of their land and heir mineral resources.

Craig: “I know South Africa very well, thank you.”

Then you know that E.T is a very marginal, extreme, buffoon-like figure. Both black and white have chuckled at him – and been horrified by him – in equal measure.

If you know South Africa very well, you know the bigger issue is the way Mandela and Co sold SA to liberal Western corporate interests, in lieu of providing adequate housing, medicine and educational facilities for the poorest of the poor.

Tony Blair swanned in to SA as soon as Mandela was released, trailing a bevy of British businessmen and a dirty arms deal.

The poorest of the poor have been badly let down in SA – but you cannot blame “the white farmers” for that. They are a small, threatened and powerless bunch.

It’s good when bad people die. I doubt that’s Nick Clegg’s policy though.

Mark; South Africa got sewn into the ‘golden straitjacket’ of the IMF, leaving the government, by its own admission, relatively powerless to help the poorest. Not sure it was Mandela’s fault, at least, South Africa is hardly alone in being suckered/bulled by the World Bank.

This murder was a murder, wasn’t it? I don’t see how it’s something to smile about, either.

I feel no pleasure at the passing of Terreblanche, nor do I feel sadness. The man was a poisonous buffoon, whose organisation’s symbol was a three-legged version of the swastika. When apartheid came to end he and his supporters did not participate in the important Peace and Reconciliation initiatives. His ever-dwindling band of pathetic bigots retreated to their homesteads and kept their loveless creed alive as best they could.

He died in the brutal manner that countless, nameless others died at the hands of his supporters. His murderers will no doubt be properly punished as the law prescribes. My only regret is that he and many of his supporters will not also face justice.

“If the white farmers gave back the land that was stolen from black people, they would have very little to worry about.”

Really? I wonder if the Zimbabweans fleeing to South Africa with nothing at all and getting necklaced when they arrive would agree.

I’m sure there are better ways of land reform than making it open season for whoever’s prepared to be most brutal!

technicolour: “Not sure it was Mandela’s fault, at least, South Africa is hardly alone in being suckered/bulled by the World Bank.”

It was the ANC group that was suckered, not Mandela alone, but it saddened many of us (I am a white South African by the way) that Mandela was so quickly seduced by Bill and Hilary Clinton, Tony Blair, Coca Cola and BP executives, Naomi Campbell, Kate Moss and Bono who all raced to SA after his release to get a foot in the door. What followed was the frantic construction of exclusive, luxury safari lodges and golf course estates – instead of the construction of basic housing for the poor.

Western elites rushed for photo-opportunities with Mandela – hoping some of his sincerity and moral principle would rub off on their tarnished coats. Mandela – after 27 years of incarceration – was naive and ill-advised in currying their favour.

He forgot his own people.

The poorest of the poor have laboured to build beautiful First World structures and magnificent white elephant Soccer Cup stadiums for corporate, profiteering FIFA, and are now being thrown on the street without jobs.People are angry, let down. Terreblanche’s worker killed him over a 32 Quid wage he refused to pay.

Angry, are the Zimbabweans leaving because their white masters have left and they miss them or the poverty that comes with the sanctions?

Mark I believe if land was stolen and not paid for, it should be given back. And this goes especially for what they call Israel and Palestinine where the original owners still have their leases and land deeds.

And their keys Arsalan.

To all the sanctimonious types defending white SA, get stuffed. I have seen and heard the Afrikaaners, some of them mercenaries in Angola, and their vile jokes about kaffirs, simians, etc.

Well, I have seen and heard white south Africans who fought alongside Mandela and Biko, who fought apartheid, who risked their lives and families to do so. Bully for me, eh?

Mark, thanks, it must have been quite terrible to see.

Technicolour,

oh come on. Slovo et al were absolutely hated by the vast majority of their white compatriots. they can’t redeem them all.

The hysterical screams of ‘white earth’ have been silenced. In the same way the lies of Blair will ‘come around’ and like Judas he will meet a lingering end, justice for the orphans and the disabled children of Iraq who he murdered in an illegal war based on lies.

Dedicated to Iman Rasheed (9yrs) severely disabled by pollution, who crawls round and round on the floor in a circle, screaming uncontrollably every day.

Yeah, its money, the ‘noble metals’, specifically, gold, that is at the centre of South Africa’s dynamic – and indeed the lust for minerals were the core of Africa’s colonisation (largely undertaken during the single decade of 1880-1890) in the first place.

Europe (and by extension, America) was built on African, Indian and South American metal and on the backs, bones and blood of the inhabitants of those regions.

Eugene TB was simply a single diseased cell in a body – the human planet – festering with a plague called The World Banking System.

The global organised white-collar criminals (IMF and the arms dealers who enforce its diktat) are the ones who ought – to draw for a moment on writerman’s graphic and impassioned reverie – to swing.

Here is a poem, this Easter Monday, entitled, ‘The Oracle of Easter Monday’, commissioned to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the execution of Ken Saro-Wiwa. It would apply more generally though:

THE ORACLE OF EASTER MONDAY

Listen to the oracle, Kuru, listen, where there is no sound!

Though we never met, my friend, yet perhaps

Through the sorceress’s gin charms

In the song of the weaver-bird

One day, we shall meet

But now is the night of fire – listen!

Beyond the cliff’s ninth edge, by the smile of the big, black river

They tossed you into a lizard’s grave,

To lie beneath the hooves of goat and antelope, the sting of alligator peppercorns

For a thousand years the stars will fall into your tomb of concrete and lime

How dare they? They, who raped their mothers

And gave their souls, all seven, to darkness

They have many names, a hundred, turning heads

Like chameleons, they change their skins,

Black, white, green, blue, yellow

But their names, deeds, thoughts all

Rhyme only with Hell

Listen to the oracle, Kuru, listen, where there is no sound!

On the day before the end of time

When the yams will sprout seven leaves

And the harvest will yield only yoori

The lizards, grown fat, will slip from their holes

And will dance at midnight around the iroko tree

And will speak through their noses:

We will sear the land black like the tortoise-back

We will burn eyes into bone, one-by-one,

We will take over your homes!

Listen, then, to the oracle, Kuru, listen, where there is no sound!

Hear the whisper of the mangrove swamp

Stand steady amidst the last field of ripening plantain

At the river’s mouth, cup in your palms

The blood of the rocks, the bones of wafered creatures

Cast back your singing head and drink full of the Black King’s breath

Mix cassava with crayfish and peppercorns

Mould the paste of the pear tree into the form of a human being

Feed her light and set her dancing like the First One, the Queen of the Moon

And in her dance the fish will rise from the rivers,

Imo, Orashi, Dijla

And will drink kegs of palm wine

And with red mouths shall they sing!

Listen to the oracle, Kuru, listen, where there is no sound!

One day, my friend, we will meet

And together, our bodies glistening with raw cocoyam,

We will brush the lands between the rivers

Free of bush rats and lizards

And we will make the music of drum, horn and gere-gere

And day and night we shall sip wine from raffia palm

Until from the land shall rise magical trees, dragonflies, a thousand golden insects

And the tassles of the maize cobs will dance with a joy that flies higher and higher

Even unto the streams of the moon

Listen to the oracle, Kuru, listen, where there is no sound!

Deezian, Deebom, Deemura, Deekor, Deesan,

On that dawn, my friend Kuru, at second cockcrow

Your spirit shall rise from your people, no tomb shall hold them

And all the lizards will lower their brows in humility, in respect

For the children, the land, the dreams

They will heave great bags of cowrie

And will prostrate themselves before the black river

In their broken shells they will cower

On that day, my friend,

The people of fish, farm and forest, of port, village, metropolis

From Ramallah to Harcourt, from Wounded Knee to Chiapas Mountain

Will rejoice and breathe again,

In Khana, Gokana, Eleme, in all tongues

And their songs shall fill the sky!

Listen to the oracle, Kuru, listen, where there is no sound!

From the shell of your death, arise, O murdered Wise One

Lift your arms above your head, stretch your fingers beyond the bone

Rise up into the river of rivers, the sky’s burning mantle,

Tear your face into the skin of a crazy man

Ascend, dear friend, ascend…

Your spirit is our spirit, the ink of our pens flows from your dreams

Take us high into the river of light! Let us see!

Then, at last, through the pebbles of your stories

Like the stars, like the moon, like the living dust

We all will be free

A poignant poem Suhayl – thank-you; environmental pollution means death when you are scavenging for survival.

I stumbled onto your site by accident and I can honestly say I have never been this disgusted by a group of people as you lot. I am a white South African Male and I live out in the rural areas of KZN. Have any of you seen a person hacked to death??? Or even bludgeond with a steel pipe. No matter who or what you are NO ONE deserves to die like that. How on earth can you even try to call yourself a human rights activist but yet you get pleasure out of a fellow human beings death. I have a black girlfriend and I face a lot of remarks not only from the white community but also from the black community. So no, I don’t agree with Mr Terre’blanches politics but he was a father,a husband to some a leader and as such a human.

On the point of white land owners, we don’t drive around and decide, hmmm.. I like that piece of land, I will chase all off of it and take it for myself. We actually BUY it, we go to the bank apply for a loan and buy it,if its for sale.

If you didn’t like the man or agree with him thats your right, but don’t find joy in anothers pain and suffering and still portry yourself as a human rights activist.

You fucking CUNT!

3000+ dead farmers in SA. They don’t really matter though do they cause their white!

You don’t know who I am but I know what you look like. Expect a kicking from a saffer soon.

E. Randall and angry:

Please calm down. There are a range of nuanced views expressed here. Those that you object to most are clearly based on memories of the apartheid regime, when it was those who stood up for liberty, equality and fraternity who were most likely to be imprisoned, tortured or hacked to death. Expect a little moral ambiguity when the tables are turned.

“You don’t know who I am but I know what you look like. Expect a kicking from a saffer soon.”

Alright, calm down!

Threatening to beat someone up is hardly a morally righteous response to someone who made silly remarks about another person who was beaten (in this case to death).

And don’t take half of my moniker. People will think you’re me.

Arsalan: “Angry, are the Zimbabweans leaving because their white masters have left and they miss them or the poverty that comes with the sanctions?”

Neither. They’re leaving because of the wanton and demented destruction of their country by their corrupt and demented “leader”.

Sorry I was only trolling!

I would never hurt a fly, and certainly am no threat to Mr Murray.

Doesn’t change the fact that he is a CUNT though!

Not exactly the Sharpville massaker, more like a labour dispute gone wrong. Malema’s words should be challenged by the ANC and his youthwing.

Malema should retarct his words and the law should take its course.

That said, I will not be weeping for this ET gone home.

“I do myself, much of the time – but Africans should take back control of their land and heir mineral resources.”

Does this tally with the BNP, when they want the same in kind?

Another problem here is the term “their mineral resources”. When exactly does a mineral become a ‘resource’? When does the dog make use of the hay in the manger?

If killing the interloper is right, then who says stop; Ex-diplomats?

The only reason that one tribe calls their land ‘theirs’, is because of their successful genocide of all others.

Either you accept multiculturalism or you do not. If you qualify it for blacks, but not whites, you must do so from general principles. If whites are bad because of their ancestral conquests, what are blacks who are committing the same today?

JimmyGiro

It’s a false parallel. I am not sure if a figure is available, but I am sure that black people own a negligible proportion of the wealth of the UK. Whereas white pople still comfortably own most of the wealth of South Africa.

Immigration and colonisation are not identical.

All the farmers(boere) I know are good people that provide for their country and that bought their own land. I guess you want it to be given to black people that can burn it down so nothing can be produced and what will follow is death by hunger and deceases. With nothing in their way countries like britain and america can than just strole in to get the upper hand on the minerals. It is so evident in the recent past.

I live in britain at the moment but cant wait to go back to SA to buy my own farm to produce for a country I love, and to get away from a country full of people like you Graig, a country that think they have the right to say white South Africans are in the wrong, after you tried to rule the world by killing all over the face of the earth, as well as in South-Africa. A country that killed black and white people of South-Africa, brutally killing tens of thousands woman and children, while their husbands and fathers were at war.

You dont have to look that far into the history of SA to see what happened when the white settelers wanted to come to an agreement with the blacks over land. They were dragged out of the black people’s city and murdered. I do not belong to the AWB and am angry for some of the stupid things they did. Like the Brittish media say he never really achieved anything. All I can say is that he predicted what will happen to the white people of SA and he was right. Some British people I work with was so shocked to hear of all the farm murders thats been happening in the past 15 years, because the only thing that ever get shown by the media is poor hungry black people, to make other countries believe its due to the white people and they are the only people to feel sorry for. Start showing the pictures of white babies that was rapped in news paper and set on fire, so the world can see the bigger picture.

I am a Christian and with God lay all answers and one day we will see who’s the real enemies of his planet.

Graig you need to pull your head out of Mugabe’s backside and wake up!

“Immigration and colonisation are not identical.”

I’m sure Jack Straw would agree, sitting in his Blackburn Caliphate.

“It’s a false parallel. I am not sure if a figure is available, but I am sure that black people own a negligible proportion of the wealth of the UK. Whereas white pople still comfortably own most of the wealth of South Africa.”

So the ‘general principle’ you have chosen to resolve the quandary is essentially communistic!?

Fight, fight and fight, until we are all equally miserable.

What, Jimmy, you prefer White Power? White Male Power.

Hi Craig

I think this blogpost is a lot more politically contextualised than yours ( though I am sure your main subject was Blair rather than..)

http://arsnotoria.blogspot.com/2010/04/murder-of-eugene-terreblanche.html

All you funny people overseas giving comments about South Africans, Yes I agree come and live here see how you like it living in fear of what might happen to youre family every day. NOW the funny part, Strong Americans what did you do in the history to slaves and indians, English how many countries did you try to take over and how did you put people in concentration camps and kill people here in south africa ?

Does anyone not want to exploit Africa?

Europeans, Jews, US, Chinese and modern Arabs have all followed the gravy train.

They all want Something for Nothing. Why is it Africa in particular, which has decreased in wealth as much as the rest of the world has increased in wealth, over the last fifty years, that is always expected to give everyone a free ride?

Hot climates make people patient, and Africa’s Islam embodies more patience than all. There isn’t any force on earth that can contain the human lust for wealth, except Islam and its promise of the reward in the hereafter. I find South Africans who I meet here, curiously brain-washed as if they have been disappointed in a promise, maybe the promise of a Christian fantasy promised land?

Craig is right to defend the Africans’ right to defend their rights and their property. It’s always assumed that Africans are alone in not having them. Why? There’s no such thing as free lunch. It’s just become a tradition in the world community that the bill is always on Africa. Shock, gasp, horror, when anybody takes a stand.

In the past few years my daughter where stabbed in the face, her neck sliced head basched in I where held at gun and knife point and everything taken from me – yet we have to live here, so please if you make any comments make sure you know the circumstances and don’t just talk a lot of crap.

Offtopic post but Wikileaks has released classified footage of the murder of civilians and journalists in Iraq…

http://collateralmurder.com/

Youtube…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

“What, Jimmy, you prefer White Power? White Male Power.”

Don’t you, Suhyal? Or are your moral views based on higher principles?

The Guardian, in its first reports, lacked the balls to say that his murderers were black.

Pitiful.

The idea we should be upset when bad people die, I really don’t understand how this fits with a coherent moral system devoted to the maximising of the good. After all, what is the alternative, another X+ years of Mr TB spreading his virus…

I’ll take the curtailing of him as a positive, seeing as it has already come to pass.

Lots of stark generalisations and second guessing.

As a white English speaking South African – who fought apartheid with everything I had and sat in detention without trial for it – I have developed a tad more understanding of the white Afrikaner/Boer position over the years.

The Boer/Afrikaner courageously stood up to British imperialism at the turn of the 19th century – Brits under the lead of Cecil John Rhodes – intent on getting their hands on the gold and diamond wealth of this country. Many Afrikaner women and children died in the world’s first ‘concentration camps’ (British devised).

Britain has a lot to answer for in its attitude and perfidy towards both Zimbabwe and South Africa. Double standards, hypocrisy and faux moral high ground emanated from Whitehall.

Yes, many Afrikaners were died-in-the-wool racist bastards; the English-speakers boasting British ancestry wielded their form of racism in a more genteel, guarded way – but it was just as ugly.

But there were many white people – English and Afrikaans – who did what they could to bring apartheid to an end. All were victims of the apartheid regimes’s Christian National propaganda which permeated education, church and media of the day.

The challenge for you British residents is to confront the propaganda which permeates your media – from the Daily Mail through to the BBC (especially the BBC) – and face up to the way your minds are ‘kept on track’. I recommend the Media Lens website and books for essential mind opening.

“But there were many white people – English and Afrikaans – who did what they could to bring apartheid to an end.”

Was Mr Terre Blance one of these men?

If not, what’s your point?

“NOW the funny part, Strong Americans what did you do in the history to slaves and indians, English how many countries did you try to take over and how did you put people in concentration camps and kill people here in south africa ?” Japie.

You seem not have read any of the comments on this thread, Japie, many of which ascribe a large proportion of the current problems in Africa (and elsewhere, like the Middle East, South Asia, etc.) to systemic corporate European colonialism (and its extensions via the Americas).

The mess in Afghanistan, the mess in Africa, the mess in Iraq… same source, same outcomes, which are the ones to which you allude: ordinary people, white, brown, black, whatever, being stabbed in the face, blown apart and shot. The elites – white, brown, black, whatever – don’t give a shit about you and I, wherever we live. We are dispensable detritus, less than an ingot of fool’s gold.

“The challenge for you British residents is to confront the propaganda which permeates your media – from the Daily Mail through to the BBC (especially the BBC) – and face up to the way your minds are ‘kept on track’. I recommend the Media Lens website and books for essential mind opening.” Mark

I agree. But you’ve also just generalised and second-guessed! Check out this blog, Mark. I think you’ll find that most if the people who comment here don’t believe a word the MSM says and know what’s going on in the world.

“‘What, Jimmy, you prefer White Power? White Male Power.’

Don’t you, Suhyal? Or are your moral views based on higher principles?”

Cryptic. Please explain yourself, Mr Giro.

Jason – Eugene Terreblanche was not one of those who fought for the end of apartheid.

My point: many, many whites benefited from apartheid and did not want to see it end. Many were ‘propagandised’ into thinking that God had granted them prime African real estate – in much the same way as Israelis cling to ‘God-given’ real estate in the eastern Med.

My point: do not smear all South African whites with one broad brush.

Do not say that ‘all white South African farmers’ need to hand over their farms to ‘the blacks’. Some white farmers are seventh generation landowners – with title deeds. We may want them off the farm because of the colour of their skin – but where should the vilification end? The situation is complex.

You cant say a word about Eugene if you didnt know him.So rather keep your comments for your self,it could have been one of your family members what then.So if you dont know somebody how can you judge somebody?please if you can just give me that awnser.

Gert, I didn’t know Stalin, Caligula or Henry VIII either.

I personally knew Hitler, Atilla the Hun and Jack the Ripper. All lovely family men and frightfully misunderstood.

I am a white south African and proud of it

Let’s see how many of your clever British

Know it all about S.A. People wil get robbed and maybe also killed by blacks during this soccer world cup.May God be with you !

Everyone should read these articles

before ranting on this lefty site

http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=47276

“I personally knew Hitler, Atilla the Hun and Jack the Ripper. All lovely family men and frightfully misunderstood”

I ‘ad that Genghis Khan in the back of me taxi once. Right bastard he was, let me tell you. Ever tried to get a horse through a car door ? Astonishing, what you can do when someone’s got a sword.

reply to:

Posted by: gert at April 5, 2010 8:26 PM

If Eugene didn’t want to be chopped up he should have paid his staff for the work they did. stingy bastard!

Typical Zionist, always after something for nothing!

A fat nick Griffin and a skinny eugene jump off a cliff. Who wins?

Society

An apartment of 3 floors lives 3 families, A White family, a Black family and a Racist family. At 2pm on a normal working day, a fire breaks out and burns the building to the ground, which family dies? The Racist family, Because with the others at 2pm the parents are out at work and the kids are at school

Why don’t racists like blowjobs? They don’t like any jobs

Why is a racist like a dog? Both mark their territory with shit

Englishman, Pakistani and a Racist on a plane. Pilot comes over the intercom, and asks each passenger to throw something out of the plane, as it is losing altitude.

Pakistani throws out a nuclear bomb, and says “We have way too many bombs in my country and we don’t want them”

The Racist throws out the Pakistani, and says “We have way too many pakis in my country and we don’t want them”

The Englishman throws out the Racist and says ” We have way too many racists in my country and we don’t want them”

a Businessman, A south African and Eugene find a bottle. A genie appears and grants each one a wish, when they jump off the cliff their wish will be granted.

Businessman wishes for loads of money, jumps off and lands in a truck full of Money. Everyone lives happily ever after.

the south African wishes for peace in South Africa, jumps and lands in a field of roses with angels singing in the background. Everyone lives happily ever after.

The Eugene didn’t understand the question, chopped himself up and died. Everyone lives happily ever after.

Why did Eugene compete on skin colour? If they competed on brains they would lose.

Why didn’t the eugene cross the road when people came to chop him up? He was afraid of the other side.

What was the difference between a eugenes’s house and a porcupine? With the porcupine, the pricks are on the outside.

What is the difference between Eugene’s house and a porcupine, the porcupine has still got its pricks!!!

What’s the difference between a eugene and Adolph Hitler? Opportunity

What’s the difference did being chopped up make to Eugene’s life? Now he is a sheet-wearing spook who tries to scare people out of their homes, and before he did pretty much the same stuff?

Richard, you ought to have taken Genghis with you to that Spar shop – I guarantee that you’d have got served then.

Okay, I admit it: I was Kaiser Bill’s Batman.

What’s the difference between Eugene and a bucket of sludge? one is in a Bucket and the other is in a mess.

What’s Red, White and peels? Eugene thinking South Africa is a white homeland!

What do you call a racist with a high IQ score? A Cheat

What do you call a racist with 2 brain cells? Pregnant

What did you call Eugene when he wore a suit? The accused

what a bunch of wankers on here

“I am a white south African and proud of it

Let’s see how many of your clever British

Know it all about S.A. People wil get robbed and maybe also killed by blacks during this soccer world cup.May God be with you !” Kobus

God be with you too, Kobus, and with your whiteness and with your pride.

sandal wearing lefties

… and with you too, Patriot, may your fatherland and motherland both be with you.

No. Steel toe-capped military issue boots.

Hope the blacks put the French supporters in the cooking pot at the world cup

Hope the English put the patriots in the tea-cup at the end of the trip. One lump, or two?

I WILL BE BUYING THE DAILY MAIL TOMORROW

Watch you don’t get ink on your skin.

Digest that will not show the pics

“My point is though that no-one “kicked” anyone off of their land. All through most of history, people fought for land, and the winner took it, end of story.” Ben, on the other #South African’ thread.

Can’t have it both ways, people. Either it’s right – natural, perhaps – for the whites to have fought for the land and kicked the blacks off it, in which case it’s right for the reverse to be happening now. Or both acts were and are wrong.

I mentioned this place a few days ago, but it has another bunch of to-the-point thoughts :-

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/012293.html

Genghis ? I’m not taking him anywhere, I had enough trouble getting him out last time. Kept telling me to take him to Kabul.

“sandal wearing lefties”

What have you got against Sandals?

You Clog wearing Nazi!

You make fun of our sandals, I’ll make fun of you clogs!!!!

I have just read through all the comments, as if I have the time!

Many, including Graig live in the past. The past is only memories and tomorow is our dreams. To those living in the present – good for you!

Some ‘pastists’ rely on 2 wrongs making a right. ET knew the justice system in SA worked – negative for him, but it worked. Why did these two idiots not take him to court?

Becuase it’s not the way Africa operates!

I lived there for more than 40 years. I was a Detective Sargeant in the SAP during the 80′s. I attended to complaints in black areas – alone and I white and alive. I found more than often black people executed the African way in hese townships. No jails no extra tax in this Afican system of justice! Graig, for every farmer or white person murdered, 10 to 20 blacks are murdered. When the politically (African way) motivated killing of whites end, they’ll focus on other blacks, such a sthe Zulu’s.

Rememeber that there is just the present, if we dwell in the past on this issue we’ll have to go back 200-400 years before whites came to Africa. When the ‘native’ blacks invaded the Southern part of Africa, displacing the Khoisan and Bushmen. Shouldn’t they be the rightful owners of Africa.

All we have is the present, we have to stay focussed, so that the future will not be the same old paterns we see in our memories – the past.

People of all races are suffering more than even in the years of Seperate DEVELOPMENT* years. {Apartheid is a wrong translation of the policies of the time)

Graig, you might live in SA, maybe in a extremely well guarded house in a posh Cape Town suburb, but you don’t no anything about what is actually happening.

“What have you got against Sandals?”

Speaking for myself, “the weather”.

I don’t wear them. But I would like to if it upsets right wingers.

“I don’t wear [sandals]. But I would like to if it upsets right wingers.”

That’s the spirit. But let’s not pick on “right wingers” – if _anyone_’s so easily upset by something so irrelevant, they need reminding that their opinions on it don’t matter.

But, wear socks with them, it’s cold.

Fuck, I have never seen a website with such a bunch of sick wankers. A discussion over a murder in SA (one of thousands a year black, white yellow and brown) brings out the best of racists, anti semites etc etc.

The issue here is extremely simple. The SA gov has BILLIONS of DOLLARS to spend on arms deals, private jets, world cup stadiums etc. It is also totally corrupt awarding tenders worth millions of dollars to build houses for the poor that never get built and the money just dissapears. Yet, the poor are getting poorer (black and white) while the country gets raped. I read an interesting article how a 16 year old girl was sent home to die because the SA health system is such a disaster that she could not get dialysis. Besides the health system that is a disaster, the crime rate is totally out of control.

This is unfortunately a pattern in Africa and no one can deny it.

I thought SA would be a shining light in Africa, yet it is going the same way as Zim and the rest of Africa.

Detective Sergeant Bekker, tell me, I’m intrigued, why do call refer to ‘Craig’ as ‘Graig’?

‘Pissed’ (their own pseudonym) makes some a very good point of which I think many people are aware.

I mentioned earlier that Tutu and Andre Brink – among many others – both have been shouting about this for awhile. There are real problems.

The words of a Public Enemy song spring to mind “Chop them down and move them along”

Live by the sword die by the sword I believe is the European phrase. Let Terre Blanches death be a warning, to all awp members and Nazis world wide. ps I am A black Scot

The Africans now how to deal with Nazis.

This is the begining of blowback for the crimes of all white’s throughout Africa, lord delamere, et al/ and others.

The fact that america’s president is black will not prevent the the blowback that has affected America continuing.

To The AWP, ZIONIST and NAZIS welcome !

To Africa we know just how to deal with you all.

Craig Murray you are a good man. but I am sure you realise that what goes around comes around and there are many more exploiters who are due for the chop !

So if you are an exploiter then this is the risk you take !

Other than that welcome to south Africa !

Behave or you will get chopped up !

TERRE BLANCE ?

HELL IS TO GOOD FOR YOU, it is your family who should leave Africa for their own safety !

You will find a nazi at the wrong end of my gun ! My Granded hunted Nazis and so do I.

So I applaud this Noble action by the locals and serve warning on all suppressors !

This is your collective fate, death. At the hands of your victim’s.

The choice is yours to make make peace or choose war

Did the cat catch your tongue craig, or are you busy doing proper research.

Every body needs to be reminded he wasn’t chopped up by a action hero, for his crimes against humanity.

He was chopped up because he was a cheep bastard who didn’t pay his workers what they were owed, he was chopped up by a worker who had just completed hard work to feed himself and his family and found out that the man who hired him was going back on his word and is refusing to pay him.

The fact that he was a Nazi is incidental, what matters in this case was that he was a dishonest cheap bastard who didn’t pay what he owed.

Arsalan did you personaly know the attackers, or do you trust the media. Nevermind, for you to think its right to murder because of money, who knows what someone like you are capable of.

( wonder if I should go and hack my employer to death, as he has not given me the raise he promised me three years ago )

You are one sick puppy arsalan

I said:

“he wasn’t chopped up by a action hero, for his crimes against humanity.”

Do you know the difference between the words “was” and “wasn’t”.

Look, people, the basic fact that needs to be understood is that transnational corporate capitalism is colour-blind.

The local military-economic elites in Africa and much of western and southern Asia are corrupt brown and black international capitalist elites who maintain the dominant hegemony. A switch of ruling cadre – from white to black in S. Africa; from French to West African; from British to Idi Amin/ Milton Obote in Uganda; from British to the Army and feudal landowners in Pakistan (and on…) serves only to perpetuate the gross injustics of the world economy and the often engineered, or at least exacerbated, tribalisms that keep people divided and deluded.

As I’ve said before, and as others on this platform have made clear, the problems in S. Africa/ Pakistan/ Iraq/ Colombia stem from an agglomeration of historical and contemporary economic dynamics which, while develving into local variants, essentially derive from one root cause: the economic colonialism that underpins and defines cartel capitalism.

Dear Non-South Africans

Wait until your a white SA farmer!!! We are all scared to death of being murdered!! But farming is our only income, and we cannot just pack up our stuff and leave. And contrary what you stupid fools believe, not all BOERE are racists.

To Ngele (probably a black racist!!)Afrikaanersare NOT a horrible bunch of evil primitive bastards.

Suhayl Saadi – you are right.

Apartheid has now been sanitised, camouflaged and globalised. Economic apartheid – with neo-liberal economic elites moving through revolving doors. South Africa’s richest man is black billionaire Patrice Motsepe. He smokes in the same cigar lounge as Afrikaner billionaire Anton Rupert, who owns Swiss-based behemoth Richemont. The two of them dine with the Clintons,Blairs and other Western elite figures when they’re in town. President Jacob Zuma was flown over to Washington by Stratfor (a CIA-linked outfit) BEFORE his election. He got the Washington-London stamp of approval: a corrupt and malleable buffoon is easier to keep on a leash within the parameters of the ‘Washington consensus’.

Thanks, Mark. Much appreciated.

Very interesting – and, I guess, maddening – about the CIA-flight, cigar lounge, etc. Yeah, these type of people of the Washington Consensus and IMF, etc. have no shame because they just don’t give a damn. Whatever, their origins or supposed provenance, they all possess, to quote novelist and intellectual, Allan Cameron, a ‘Berlusconi Bonus’, a pass – and I use that word very deliberately in the S. African context though it applies everywhere – a pass to amorality.

At April 6, 2010 11:42 AM, Cindy South Africa posted “We are all scared to death of being murdered!”

If I may just help to explain to others with a brief story what this issue is — About 10 years ago, I attended some business meetings in Kenya with three white South Africans present. On the second day one of them got a telephone call telling him that his aged parents had been attacked the previous night in their house in Johannesburg. They escaped because one of them managed to break free and get hold of a gun. The 2nd South African (at the meeting) had had an even worse experience ?” 2 years before he had been at a family gathering at his parent’s farm. The farm was raided in broad daylight, and his father shot to death in front of the family. The 3rd South African had not had a personal experience, but when he returned to Johannesburg he found that his house had been broken into and every stick of furniture stolen.

Cindy, You are quit right. Us Non?”South Africans have no idea what is happening since our media and human rights industry doesn’t report on issues like yours. It does seem to me that you are being denied that most basic of all human rights – “rule of law”. With the World Cup the media spotlight will turn on South Africa. Along with the many other “non football” (human rights) issues that should come up, I do hope that yours will be discussed as well.

Thanks, Mark. Much appreciated.

Very interesting – and, I guess, maddening – about the CIA-flight, cigar lounge, etc. Yeah, these type of people of the Washington Consensus and IMF, etc. have no shame because they just don’t give a damn. They all possess, to quote my pal, novelist and thinker, Allan Cameron, a ‘Berlusconi Bonus’, a pass – and I use that word very deliberately in the S. African context though it applies everywhere – a pass to amorality.

Craig, naive would be stating it lightly. Oh and please don’t even attempt to gain sympathy or even, god forbid, pity for having been in a dangerous situation in your life. You probably spent hours telling people how traumatised you were….pathetic. You epitomise the incessant boring member of public who thinks he can make the tears disappear for the poor mistreated nations of the world. It is a matter of observing the obvious, if you cannot cut the mustard then you won’t be in control. Not one nation in africa has ever produced anything other than a void which is contantly being filled by western countries being made to feel bad by wannabe Ghandi’s like yourself. And to whoever you were writing about Nazi’s and Zionists and Boers being primitive – I bet you are from that background that prides themselves to be famous only because of famine, genocide and disease. Yes, Africa has all the resources that would make any other average western nation rich, yet africa is still nowhere on the map. Do you even realise that in the 17th century when european settlers arrived in SA the locals were more or less in the iron age? Talk about primitive…and I wonder who at that point oppressed them so badly that they did not even have a wheelbarrow to collect their wood? You and all your fellow short sighted leftist communists is the reason for a sick, weak and spineless society. I am sure when you allegedly had a gun pointed at you, you wet yourself and offered the ‘nasty man’ everything he wanted, then on afterthought blamed everyone else for his behaviour. Your types won’t last for very much longer – time is getting close; evidence of the weak link ‘you’ represent in society is becoming more and more evident.

Wow, hate for Israel and SA is unbelievable.

Israel – The Kingdom of Israel – roughly 3500 years old – and thats being conservative.

Jerusalem – 3000 years old.

Islam (a great religion, but some not so great followers) – 1800 years old at a very hard push.

We cant expect the liberal dummies here to do the maths – that would be asking too much.

So, lets look at South Africa,

Colonialism / Apartheid? What of the countries in Africa that never witnessed Colarpheid and there are a number – These, my dear dumb friends are some of the most backward and violent areas on earth – but you wackheads give the violence in these areas a different name – Tribalism.

Fact is Colonialism brought slightly more good than bad. The ‘big bad British’ ended slavery they did not start it – there was plenty brutal slavery – oops sorry – romantic tribalism – long before white men got to the shores of Africa – even Black historians have stated this – ooo but we shall just kill those ones shall – the great African way.

You just dont get it dummies.

The whites in South Africa are in the way of a few barbarians gaining ultimate power and control over their own people – the last places on earth where one can gain complete and utter power.

Magabe looked after the white farmers in Zimbabwe VERY WELL until Until they got in his way of cleaning out the ‘Rubbish’ he called them.

Who were they / the them? People exiled by black Shaka Zulu – fled into Zimbabwe for their lives – long before the white Boers were in the picture.

So the real question you dumb liberals must ask yourselves.

Is why have you been brainwashed and misled – You must do this for your own good.

Not for us South Africans and Jews – we are very adept at survival and adversity – we will be just fine – with only a few fallen here and there.

The way people go about doing things when they are passionate is always questionable.

But, Eugene knew something you DON’T – and I didnt know it until I met him.

I am a very different person to the one I was dancing in the street for the end of Apartheid 20 years ago. I learnt stuff!

If you truly care about your children you will start learning NOW.

Have you any idea how many people and groups want the crumbs from the plates of the despots in Africa – Especially those who will come to power in South Africa (one of the the most powerful and resource rich countries in the Southern Hemisphere) when the white is gone from that land.

And how much they will assist these dictators to get to power.

With your blind help.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing my friends – and at present you have little knowledge.

And you wonder why powerful Governments and organisations have little regard for you – is it any surprise????

“But, Eugene knew something you DON’T – and I didn’t know it until I met him.” mindboggled

Okay, mindboggled, tell us what he showed/ told you. I’m being serious, not facetious.

“Not one nation in africa has ever produced anything other than a void.”

James

Are you talking of all time? You go back to C17th…

Egypt (along with Sumer and later the Indus Valley civilsation) began human civilisation itself, when those living in Europe were in the… Stone Age (Paleolithic). In fact, after the collapse of the Roman Empire, those living in Europe went back to living in the… Stone Age (Neolithic). Until the north African ‘Moors’ arrived to deliver civilisation back to the unwilling, unwashed and primitive tribes of Europe.

James, to take just one example, do you know the recent history of Portuguese and French colonialism and neocolonialism in parts of Africa? The way Africa was ‘reverse developed’ (this was somewhat different from ‘separate development’, but had the same end? The cultivation of ‘native elites’ to continue filling the coffers?

Yeah, obviously the problems of the world are not all down to ‘the white man’, anyone who argues that is seriously deluded, but you seem to be equally extreme in the opposite direction. Neither attitude seems emblematic of vertebral – or cerebral – strength.

Mindboggled, I agree that some of the comments on this thread are not really analytical but more emotional. You allude to the powerful interests who used to back the white nationalist regime now backing despotic black African corrupt elites (across Africa). I agree. Where’s the argument? But I for one would be very interested in learning more – please explicate. Tell us more, for example, about the insights you gained from the subject of this thread.

Craig. You state the white man raped Africa’s resources. Where do you think Britain’s resources come from? It’s because of that you can live in you protected little world. And smiling about someone getting brutally murdered makes you a murderer!

Roderick, thanks for reinforcing a very important point. Cindy, thanks for making it. I wish you well.

You are a truly sick person smiling at the death of any person. If you are not willing to live in a country and put your life at risk just because of the colour of your skin and understand that under no circumstance the death of any human being in excusable including deaths committed in the so-call apartheid era and the apartheid struggle I pity your end as in the end we will all be held responsible for our heart attitudes.

It was after all the British causing all the hell in South Agfrica and Africa and getting rich from what did not belong to them.. you…

Well Craig, its now 6 days since the death and murder. When I read your comment, I truly hope with my whole heart that you are so stupid that you do not realize what you are saying, and if Im mistaken, I hope you will get your fair share in life. Only what you deserve, no less no more, because of the way you see things and feel about them. There is a war coming, and I hope you realize that you are smiling at a whole nations misery, pain and suffering, not only white or black, but both will suffer because of this. Do you think this is justifyable that children have to suffer because of the fact that their elders made mistakes? Be raped? Hurt? KILLED???? You will answer for your actions, just like the people who wronged against others will be punished and held accountable, I just pray that you open your eyes and your heart, before it is to late.

Proudly South African!!!

Posted by: Abe Rene at April 5, 2010 12:09 PM

just so that you know, I have something to say to you about this comment you posted. That is the story the two murderers are saying happened, how do we know its even true? there were no whitnesses, and surely you have to take into consideration that they are murderers?? The two of them, God and Terreblanche are the only persons to know the truth, and it would be so easy for them to say anything, to try and cover themselves, or who ever wouldnt want to be involved? you ever think about that?

P.S. Im not a Terreblanche fan, just a concerned citizen, that also knows of poverty, oh … and by the way, black people arent the only people in south africa, if thats what you people think, your making a mistake, coz Im white, and I have seen it. The black population is the majority, therefore it seems like they are the only ones that suffer.

What did Eugene show me?

Eugene spoke in riddles sometimes and he was very patient, but he expected you to understand what he was on about even if he was not explaining himself well (English was not his first language)

He taught me to be a separatist (not a white separatist) just a separatist.

At the end of the day, what is happening in South Africa is a battle of mind sets as old as life itself.

At this point I will lose many people, because it becomes philosophy – and it is.

This ‘thing’ going on in South Africa is going on in many other parts of the world – it is not a black / white thing – although you can make rough distinction along these lines.

Because certain people generally adopt certain mind sets at certain times and at certain times in their lives. You cannot force these mind sets to be cohesive in one vessel.

That is why I will fight for separateness for Palestine, But not at the expense of Israel – Israel is an ‘old power’ and old power is the best predicament for ongoing stability, even if that old power is taken out of the top position in the kitchen and placed tightly into a jar and put at the back of a cupboard down the hall. To remove it completely, to dissolve it in new power leads to anarchy, collapse, disarray and GREAT opportunity for the ‘feeders’

Iraq is a prime example.

Avoiding this situation will be the greatest new skill learned by politics in the future.

If we dont learn it Wars are guaranteed for ever!

Eugene wanted separation from all groups of people not just blacks, but with interaction and contact, but with out one group having power over the other.

We cant forget that Apartheid was guilty of one having power over another by any means.

But, if you are going to replace something that rates as 6 on the scale of bad – dont replace it with something that rates 8 and is creeping up fast.

When a young baby is raped in South Africa because it is traditionally believed that this ‘act’ will rid someone of AIDS we know that it is also an isolated case and not all black South Africans do this (by far most dont)

How do people like Eugene and now me then draw lines between race and become separatists so easily?

Because, most black South Africans are not horrified enough about this and some not at all.

Its called apathy sometimes.

Its just normal some will think – if they think about it at all.

And, some will switch in their brains to reward thoughts / about ‘me’ – what can I get today.

Understanding the brain and human development and the state people are in at different times on their lives and different situations expands more on this.

Fact is you can’t live with people or under people that don,t care, are apathetic (and I use the word loosely and with broad general envelopment)

and thus have low standards.

To punish or suppress these sorts of people is wrong – Eugene and myself have once been in these states I am sure.

But, you cant live with them or under them – you must fight to be away from them.

For every white brutally killed in South Africa – roughly 20 – 30 black people are brutally killed. (Tribalism – around long before Apartheid and ‘evil’ whites)

Why is it that only white people are concerned about this.

And then, ask why is it that they only want to be concerned about themselves.

Answer! No one else cares and no one else understands.

But they will,

You want to understand what it is that Eugene showed me along with many other white Afrikaans people.

Watch the UK as an example – remember this is not a black and white thing – this is a mind thing.

It has started here in the UK

Children killing each other effortless and we don’t here about the adults.

Murders may not be up much yet, but they are different – that,s what is worrying.

And for all you fucks that think things have always been this way and nothing has changed! Stay well away from me – I want to be very separate from you.

You are the disease that destroys societies, your embracing of apathy and debauchery is despicable – you are cancer!

Carry on ingesting the spins and fiddles of governments and their statistics – you will make them happy – they LOVE apathy.

Rest in Peace Eugene – I am glad I understood you.

Rest in Peace also, all those who fought for freedom from Apartheid and lost their lives and all other strugglers who fight to be separate from those who suppress them.

The problem, though, is there would not be enough land for the Afrikaans homeland – the amount of black, British, Russian, Iraqi…. the list goes on who would want to share in the success of their society would be overwhelming.

During ‘terrible’ Apartheid.

I just need to repeat that!

During TERRIBLE Apartheid,

one more time – it takes a lot for some.

DURING TERRIBLE APARTHEID, over a period of nearly 50 years hundreds of thousands THATS 100s of 1000s of black people from countries as far a field as central and north Africa,attempted to get in this horrid white ruled land – some successful, many not – their bodies removed from the biggest electric fence on earth in the mornings by border patrols.

This is a guarded secret liberal press never mention.

Why? exactly! many would ask the question WHY

If you plan to go to another country, no matter how uneducated you are or desperate you will find a little out about it.

And every one knew the fence could kill

Problem is – to save electricity it sometimes got turned off.

Incidentally, the fences were also designed to keep the flourishing wild life in. Over the border lay Africa were most great animals were being hunted and pouched to extinction.

So much sacrifice to get into a white supremacist country where black people were so brutally treated?

Wow, the plot thickens – and it is thick.

Mindboggled, at the heart of what you’re depicting, I think, is brutalisation and atomisation, the disintegration of society into chaos, a Conradian dystopia. So Eugene TB was, or had become, a survivalist, without pursuing the analogy too far, a kind of Colonel Kurtz, is that what you’re saying?

Suhayl Saadi,

thank you for being wise and open to the plight of South Africans.

I am aware of the the contribution of some African countries, especially, where Islam has had an influence.

I disagree solemnly with racism, but I am a placid separatist, but also sympathiser of some extreme groups.

We cannot make a distinction between the Dark Ages and Tribalistic Africa – its a period that has to be negotiated.

That does not mean that some groups of Europeans did not have the right to protest and seek separatism from the status quo of the time during the Dark Ages and same.

Further more,

And this is for Craig – journalism attracts a type of person – like all professions.

This type is super myopic and over emotional – the one causing the other.

You are typical.

What history books did they make you read at school you poor thing.

Do you honestly think things were peaceful and balanced before the colonial countries pulled in.

Seriously, you real dumb if you think that.

I apologise for being crude – but really, the response fits your posture.

Craig, my dear friend, Avatar – just a film mate, its not real.

You clearly express your disdain for the war in Iraq / Afghanistan and blame Little Tony Blair for the mess – yet it is your kind that puts weak dangerous puppets like him into power.

How do you change a regime like the Taliban or Sadam?

Whether you bomb, or cause a change in government from within a country the blood still flows.

You think the change in South Africa has not resulted in blood!

There has not been war as such but something far more painful and bloody and simmers far longer than the aftermath of war would. This is why those who sanction an evoke war are not that mad, as sad and ugly as that is.

When the white man is gone, it will still be there and it has little to do with Apartheid.

It has to do with universal laws.

The universe seeks imbalance contrary to the idea that it seeks balance.

Balance is merely a temporary state achieved during the course of the universe asserting imbalance.

Imbalance is thus always addressed (so to speak) by way of compensation – never equalisation.

This in itself is what may create energy.

Simply put, what you caused in South Africa is simply a reversal dynamic of what you were against.

The reason I am mind boggle is why anyone would want to do that.

Either you are myopic or you are evil[sic].

I am hoping myopic, because if you are evil [sic] then we are in trouble.

Then, one starts to think of Christian fundamentalism in the US, expansion of the KLU KLUX KLAN globally, not just in the Mid Atlantic states of the US among white Christian communities who believe they are being disenfranchised.

Now remember this is not a black white thing – it is a mind set.

The line easily drawn between liberal America and Conservatives.

Bares not relation to white farmers in South African and Zimbabwe does it, until you start to look closely at the thin threads joining these people and how quickly they can turn to rope.

Did you know the klan operates in South Africa now.

I am not even going to look at Europe.

Seems you wanted change in South Africa but not Iraqistan.

It smacks of the interesting hypocrisy anomaly that is the British guilt for British colonialism.

Any atrocity is kind of ok except where it is perpetrated by a white toward a black person.

Craig, please trust me, its over, you are out. Out in the real world and doing ok from the sounds of things.

Away from the brain washing of the modern British schooling system.

Your lecturers arnt there to make you feel bad if you are not with the hegemony. You are out in the real world, the lecturers are not, they would not cope with the real world.

They so often peddle their twisted bitterness backed ideas of reality to the most susceptible – you, in the protected confines of educational institutions who depend, for their very survival (money, approbation, acknowledgement and everything)on aaaah foreigners and their over inflated university tuition fees.

Who would want any questioning and debate of culture and race in such a lucrative arrangement lest we scare them away.

If you have any intelligent retort on this – most particularly how you would go about dealing with the extreme regime

in Afghanistan please reply.

If you wanted SA to change you would want Iraq or Afghanistan to as well!

Or would you?

Careful its a test trap – answer carefully

I am all ears and humbly yours.

Hi Craig, and everyone else…

As a South African citizen, and white one for that matter, i feel obligated to post a message on this site.

Let me start by saying that I am 29 years old, part of the socalled post-apartheid era. What does that mean? It means that I was born outside of that era ( I, and everybody else my age, had nothing to do with apartheid ). Yet, you guys keep nailing the average white person in South Africa as being racist, murderous, etc. Get your facts straight!

South Africa is in a difficult time right now, for ALL different ethnic groups, white, black, coloured, indian. You name it. Our biggest problem is not racism as everybody thinks, it is CRIME. Unfortunately, thanks to certain extremist groups (both black and white groups), this crime is always blamed on some political and racial agendas. Yes, we do have a lot of racism, but we’ve got MORE crime…

I agree with previous posts. Come and live in South Africa, just for a month! Better still, come live on a farm in South Africa… Then comment on our situation. You will most definately see that the fear of crime, violence and death is a reality that every single person has to face; whether you are white, black, a businessman, a farm worker, a policeman, the president, male, female… It does not matter! You WILL be affected by crime.

Don’t blame us, the post-apartheid era, for the sins of those before us. The majority of SA youth has accepted the fact that apartheid is over. It is time that you guys abroad do the same.

Every Sunday, I sit in church. Around me are sitting people of many different ethnic groups. Afterwards, we have coffee, we talk, we laugh. During the week, we work together. In times of difficulty, we stand together. When a husband, brother and father is murdered, we mourn together. Do you still call us racist?

Craig, get a life, get a dictionary, and get lost!!!

Eugene Terre’Blanche did not deserve to be murdered. He did not deserve to die the way he did. No one deserves to die like that. There can be no justification and no rationalisation for this murder any more than there can be for hundreds others. Like many in this country ?” black and white ?” I was appalled by and opposed to the politics of Terre’Blanche. But there is no reason under the sun for a man to be attacked and killed in his own home. Not for who he is. Not for his views. Not for his possessions. Not for his deeds. Not even for his debts. There is no excuse for murder.

What kind of a country is this where even churches, homes and bedrooms have become murder sites? What kind of country is this where life itself has become so cheap?

The first and most important thing for all of us to do at this time is to extend our deepest condolences to the immediate and extended family of Terre’Blanche ?” and that includes the AWB. That should be the starting point of all comment on this tragic death of a man who was seen by some as leader and hero while others saw him as a man stuck in and hankering after a past of racial hatred and division. At this time it is important that we see Terre’Blanche as a fellow human being, as a father, brother, uncle and grandfather. Though tempting, we should all seek to avoid extracting political mileage out of this death ?” whether in glee or in anger.

Hi everyone,

I also want to start by saying that I am a SA citizen. I would like to thank everyone who commented in support of SA, and South African citizens (including whites). I am a black citizen from Xhosa background.

Craig, please do your homework before trying to voice your oppinions on other countries and their people. Some quick facts and then a point to ponder:

Eugene Terre’Blanche was an ex-policeman, turned political leader. Yes, he had certain extremist and racist views, and was regarded as a right-winger… Blood on hist hands? Yes. People died in a clash between the AWB and police in Ventersdorp in the AWB’s early days… Recieved amnessty? Yes. For storming the WTC in Kempton Park, SA (lol), for the Ventersdorp clash with police and a few more ‘acts’ not worth mentioning. I definately have to say, not a scary fellow at all!. Convictions? Only one! For assault and attempted murder…

ET believed he was fighting for a better SA, and people died in the ‘struggle’. The ANC, (current government), was fighting for what they believed to be a better SA, and yes many people died. So do they also need to be brutally murdered? NO!

Craig, you say white afrikaner south africans must suffer for what they believed and did during the apartheid era? Specifically linked to your views of Eugene Terre’Blanche and the AWB… And ET deserved to die they way he did? Remember, he has blood on his hands for a few people (mostly indirectly I should add). Think about this (and remember, you are a WHITE BRITTISH CITIZEN).

During the early 1900′s, Lord Kitchener (Brittish) led a campaign through SA, called the “Scorched Earth” policy, where they marched through SA, destroyed the farmers’ crops, slaughtered live stock, burt down homesteads of cicilians! During that time they captured the south african women and children, and imprisoned them in what were called ‘concentration camps’… Do you know how many civilians (including women and children) died at the hands of the British in these camps? Almost 28000!!! Wow!!! Remember, these are EXCLUDING the roughly 9000 SA soldier casualties… And while we are at it, let me mention that native South African women and children from other ethnic groups were also imprisoned in similar camps, and many thousands also died at the hand of Brittish soldiers. And our men were enslaved to aid in Brittish armies and camps! Why, because the Brittish fought to keep SA under their rule!

Now, I would say that this is a point to ponder when talking about what the South African whites deserve for apparently taking our natives’ land!

Go back to your history books, Craig, and get your facts straight. Keep your immature, silly and un-educated comments for yourself!