And what, pray, would be wrong with a Taliban government? It’s probably what 95% of Uzbeks would probably like after 90 years of anti-Islamic, communist and post-communist oppression. If there was an election in Uzbekistan, the US knows that, like Palestine, the equivalent of Hamas would win. Karimov is their puppet to prevent the wishes of the people. The West still doesn’t get it, that people like Islam, because it defends Justice, Human rights, and condemns financial and sexual exploitation. Islam must never be allowed to flourish, in the eyes of the two-headed US ogre of Zionism and Colonialism.

To discuss the total disenfrachisement of the Muslims of the world by US policy, at the same time as British elections, is an insult to the human right of self-determination. We have no choice in our UK election to challenge US-imposed policy of demonising Islam. The Uzbeks have no power to catch up with the darling of their hearts, the beloved religion of their grandfathers and grandmothers, Islam. The scholars of Islam, like Imam Buchari were cradled by this land of plenty. Imperial Russian, Soviet, and now US greed have ravished Uzbekistan. But it is the spiteful jealousy of Zionism in Washington that has steered the colonisers to greatest cruelty, now, in our time.

So why does Andrew Dismore MP support the Karimov regime?

Angling for a job once you’re kicked out of office andy?

http://hotterthanapileofcurry.wordpress.com

The Banality of Evil.

George Monbiot interviews Hazel Blears and catches her out, before she was more publicly caught out.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/video/2009/apr/25/monbiot-meets-hazel-blears

Andrew Desmore is a well known supporter of Israel.

I think if you match MPs who support Israel against MPs who Support Karimov, you will find an exact match.

“They also claim Karimov is not totalitarian”

The reason for this is Karimov is not totalitairian in the same way Zionism is not Nazism.

The Uzbecks may or may not want the Taliban. It makes no difference. Karimov is a mass murdering bastard what ever the Uzbecks want or do not want.

It is there country it is there choice.

All this nonsense about “We have to support dictators other wise silly brown golly wogs would elect a government we don’t like”, that sounds like people here who try and ban Islamic dress, “We can’t let silly brown women choose for themselves how they dress, because they might dress like what their scripture tells them instead of what the white master tells them!”, “White people have gone to Afghanistan and killed a lot of brown people to allow Muslim women to let Muslim women dress like the supperia white race, how dare they refuse to change their dress after we killed their husbands and fathers? and how dare Muslim women in white countries dress Islamicly after all the Muslims we killed? if they don’t want to dress like us, they should go back to,, oh shit we just removed the government there, and we don’t allow them to elect Islamic governments in their countries, what ever it is obey the white master race!!!!”

Anno

You are completely wrong. 95% of adult Muslims drink alcohol, for one thing.

What is wrong with a Taliban government? The same that is wrong with any nutty theocracy.

sorry, Anno. Adult Uzbeks, not Muslims.

Dismore is a plant by the Friends of Israel into the heart of UK parliamentary

debate. Government delegates self- criticism to obscure committees, so that unpleasant introspection can take place where strong objections to government policy will not be expressed in public on the floor of the house.

Loathsome, party-whipped, food-obsessed dalmatians of M.P.s are thus excused from listening to reasoned argument against government policy, in public witness, so that they can continue to feel comfortable unthinkingly obeying the party line.

Dismore’s JCHR’s first interviewee, Craig Murray, told the committee that as a recently serving ambassador, he knew that the government was complicit in torture. The second interviewee, Professor Phillipe Sands told Dismore that President Bush had negated all the human rights afforded by the Geneva Convention to his political opponents of Islam, contrary to the Convention’s statutes.

Neither of these appalling criticisms have been placed before parliament as such.

Dismore’s job was to kick these dreadful accusations into touch. It is the Israel lobby in parliament, which placed one of its own, to deflect the intelligent objections of learned, principled, authoritative voices, from being returned by the committee back to the powers that be.

The chair of the JCHR should be a person of independent mind and persuasion, who is keen to serve this country by allowing the errors of judgement which obviously occur in any government to be re-looked at and changed. In my lifetime we have had many such politicians, Eric Lubbock comes to mind. The difference is that Dismore is serving Israel, like Blair in establishing the blockade of Gaza, rather than the UK.

Dismore’s career , like Hazel Blears’, will not be affected in the slightest by the outcome of this election. They are paid by Israel, not the UK.

Craig, same could be said of Albanian youngsters or any society emerging from Soviet authority.

To call Muslims, nutty theocrats, shows you in your true, Liberal colours. Liberalism is the freedom to out-fuck, freedom to out-fight, and freedom to out-swear, anybody, as a Stoke on Trent sparky once put it to me.

Islam does not give human beings freedom to dominate others like this. You’ve still got a little attachment to the mentality of power that went with the job of British Ambassador. If you can listen to my advice, forget this past dream of status and power. Stand squarely against UK oppression, even if you still regard it as patriotism to be a loyal slave to US power.

Since joining the Liberals, your position has become more and more contradictory. You might think you’re flying, but believe me it is a pantomime sky hook from a theatre crane. In my opinion you only look ridiculous, claiming to be a dissident, when you are hitched to the spin that the Liberal Party represents serious change to the status quo.

Like the odious Paddy Ashdown, who dragged Bosnia by the nose using the hook of European Membership. His idea was that, since it’s broken, we can impose our own ideas on it. Well, who broke it? Instead of breaking Muslim countries and saying. ‘Oh look it’s broken. We can impose our own ideas’. Why not, don’t break it and help the Muslims get back their Islamic civilisation and religion that they had before?

Theocratic nutters is more of an insult to me than making a cartoon of my prophet, may God’s peace and mercy be upon him. This kind of crap may endear you to your Liberal party peers. but it isn’t the words of the man of integrity I used to hear.

But I am a liberal and I hate theocracy in any form. That is not to say I hate religion – but I do hare government by religious hierarchies, which is pretty well the most odious form of governmet possible.

Religion itself I regard in general as a good thing, including yours.

I am a liberal and Islam is a liberal religion. Has anyone come round from the mosque and told me I must or mustn’t criticise government policy? Has anybody stopped me from travelling to different countries, or attending demonstrations or told me how to vote or what clothes to wear. I don’t do anything at all as a Muslim except what I wish to do out of my own free will. I believe in God’s laws because I believe my Creator to know more about life than me. Sometimes I disobey God’s laws because I didn’t understand the wider, rather than the personal, implications. The purpose of an Islamic government is to enable me to be educated in God’s commands properly, instead of being distracted by other ideas.

Why would I not obey God, unless I did’t understand the wider implications of the law? Ignorance is forgiven at first. But there comes a time when you start to see the wider benefit of God’s laws, like not feeding the banks with usury. One twit from the BBC said it was good for the country for the banks to be profitable. Why? It’s good for the country if the banks are charging nothing more than the cost of administration. It’s drip, drip feed of the vested interests which slowlty gets everybody thinking that the banks best interests are ours.

Maybe the LibDems, like the FCO offerred you the chance of doing your own human rights work, while flying their banner. The reassuring smile on their patriarchal physogs is them smirking at you for believing the same pack of lies you believed before. They are laughing at you, not with you. You are a Liberal, but they are not. If they were, like your hero, Gladstone , they would be condemning these appalling wars.

On this blog, I have criticised Deobandi anti-British racism, Sufi hierarchism, Salafi pro-Americanism, Muslim Brotherhood overcomplication and politicisation of Islam, general Muslim duplicity in backing the governments that have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

Nobody has come round to beat me up. I live at 69 Chartist Road, Birmingham. If anybody wants to come round and hit me for trying to bring Islam back t5oits original form, they know where to find me. They don’t come, because they know that Islam is in shreds, same as Western democracy. Anywhere there is a general feeling that everything’s not right, people are prepared to listen to ideas for change. The only people who don’t like criticism and change are the people who have spent thousands of years trying to mess the system up.

The Muslim ruler is he who when he is leader, he is one of the people, and when he is not the leader, his demeanor is that of a leader. if he does not serve the people’s affairs as if they were his own, then he will not smell the aroma of heaven.

Craig can you delete Anno’s address from post anno at April 16, 2010 12:50 PM, unless anno tells us it is a fake address.

Craig the reason why Uzbek are seen more in bars than in Mosques may have something to do with going to mosques resulting in being boiled alive?

Even though decades of soviet enforced atheism being replaced by Karomov the boiler may have resulted in Uzbeks losing much of their religion, the British, Americans and Zionists have made an Islamic government there inevitable.

Why?

The axis of Zionism give Karimov unconditional support. Karimov uses this support to exterminate anyone who may stand in his way, Muslims, liberals, communists and democrats.

He strikes so much terror that the only people left standing up to him are the Muslims.

So the Zionist Prophecy that Karmiov would be replaced by Khilafah is self fulfilling. They aid to Karimov means we are the only ones left trying to replace him. When he is replaced, who is there to replace him but us?

Just as the axis of Zionism, neocons and NeoLabour say they don’t like Karimov but support him because they hate Islam more than people being boiled alive, the people of Uzbeckistan who are not very religious want Khilafah, because they would prefer it to Karimov and being boiled alive.

Anno, Brother, please don’t be so silly as to put up your address. This is the internet.

Craig delete that address, even if it is false.

I’m going for Jummah now, and Anno, it is at a deobandi mosque!

I haven’t really seen anti British racism. From what I see most families prefer converts as son in laws, because it means they don’t really have to deal with inlaws and future grand children will always be with them during the two eids.

Anno, I agree with Arsalan, best not to put your postal address on a public blog – anyone in the world could see it – or more to the point, anyone in Birmingham. I and some others said the same thing in fact to Craig himself when he once posted his address. There are some nutters and violent idiots out there. I realise that anyone can get anyone’s address if they really want to, but I’m talking about causal ‘lumpenprol’ idiots, not organised state ones.

‘Casual’, rather – but maybe ‘causal’ too.

Karimov may well be a totalitarian, but so far as the UK is concerned he is totaly irrelevant for at least the next couple of years. Forget about cheap cotton, we will have to make do with UK wool.

Most people have absolutely no idea what may happen over the next couple of years becuase they know nothing about history.

The situation is potentially exceedingly serious.

The last time this happenned it caused major Global cooling and famine and the French Revolution. I posted about this before the Daily Mail.

The last time this happenned, it went on for 18 months. So far it has only been 3 days, but that volcano in Iceland could keep on blowing for even longer than it did last time.

The population is more than 10 times larger now, and the UK imports over 50% of its food.

So now is the time to fill your car up with horseshit. You can still get it for free near where we live. It will probably be no use for a few months – because it needs to be well rotted.

So buy some Growmore or similar – and start digging up your lawn. You also need a good book on growing your own food – and preferably some Ladybirds – as they are brilliant at eating bugs that eat plants. Buy some insecticiside incase you aren’t lucky with the Ladybirds. We got absolutely loads of them last Autumn and I relocated them from our spare bedroom using a hoover – and most of them survived.

Potatoes, carrots, onions, tomatoes and broccoli are quite easy to grow as are fruit trees and even nuts – but it takes a lot of hard work and the soil conditions need to be right. If you don’t get it right you can easily lose the entire crop.

Chickens and eggs are really good too, except most areas are absolutely rampant with foxes – and they will need to be securely caged in or the fox will get the lot.

You should also stock up with lots of tinned food – particularly of high protein stuff like tinned fish – as well as high density dried carbohydrate stuff that will store well like rice and flour.

Also, a very high powered air rifle maybe a good idea if you haven’t got a shotgun license. This isn’t for protecting your family with, but for shooting mice and rats. They can provide a good source of protein if things get really tough.

Its no use waiting till all hell breaks loose. You need to prpeapre now.

Also get to know your local farmer and buy food direct from him, now. If the shit really hits the fan – his existing customers will come first, and he may even let you shoot rabbits on his land if he trusts you.

Of course the volcano may only last a few days, and it may all blow over.

But it didn’t last time

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Whilst water pollution can be a very major and avoidable issue, there is a lot of nonsense written about a water crisis in much the same way as a lot of nonsense is written about Global Warming.

We should be far more concerned about the threat of Global Cooling. When I mention this on Alternet, there is usually some attempt to ridicule me from the convinced Global Warmers.

Well now we have an enormous volcanic eruption in Iceland that has shut down all flights in the UK. We do not know how long the volcanic eruption will continue for – but sometimes they can carry on for as long as 18 months. This poses very real dangers

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100322/ap_on_sc/eu...

“Iceland sits on a large volcanic hot spot in the Atlantic’s mid-oceanic ridge. Eruptions, common throughout Iceland’s history, are often triggered by seismic activity when the Earth’s plates move and when magma from deep underground pushes its way to the surface.

Like earthquakes, predicting the timing of volcanic eruptions is an imprecise science. An eruption at the Katla volcano could be disastrous, however ?” both for Iceland and other nations.

Iceland’s Laki volcano erupted in 1783, freeing gases that turned into smog. The smog floated across the Jet Stream, changing weather patterns. Many died from gas poisoning in the British Isles. Crop production fell in western Europe. Famine spread. Some even linked the eruption, which helped fuel famine, to the French Revolution. Painters in the 18th century illustrated fiery sunsets in their works.

The winter of 1784 was also one of the longest and coldest on record in North America. New England reported a record stretch of below-zero temperatures and New Jersey reported record snow accumulation. The Mississippi River also reportedly froze in New Orleans.

“These are Hollywood-sort of scenarios but possible,” said Colin Macpherson, a geologist with the University of Durham. “As the melt rises, it’s a little like taking a cork out of a champagne bottle.”"

We need more CO2 not less.

Tony

anno,

I think you are a great bloke, and I also think you have nothing to worry about. Anyone can find almost anyone if they really want to, but there is no point in waving a big flag.

If you run your own company in the UK, then all your details are publicly avaialable for free. If you are on the electoral register, all your details used to be available for free, and still are for a small fee.

In most cases almost anyone can be traced very easily if they are a normal human being.

Tony

anno,

You live very close to my niece who now has two young Babies. And I will be driving past tomorrow morning. If a bloke with long hair and a big stick turns up at your door, it will not be to hit you with. It’s actually the monopod for my camera, which I also sometimes use as a walking stick such that I look like Gandalf – from Lord of the Rings.

Only joking. I left my monopod at home.

Tony

The axis of neo, neo labour, neoconservatives and neo neoNazi(zionists), define totalitarian as being anti zionist. So karimov can boil as many people as he likes, he will still be a democratic in their eyes.

One only had to listen to Humphry’s report on a saturday night out in Cardiff to relish the prospect of the increasing influence of respectful Islamic doctrine on UK society.

Every new Muslim assumes that his government is spying on him, because they regard us as mad, because we chose Islam.

This country is a theocracy but its inhabitants do not recognise their religion. It is the cancellation of sin by blood redemption of Jesus. Genocide’s just fine, and normal, and healthy, and green, not even worth a mention on a national election debate taking place at the same time as the genocide is being performed in Afghanistan.

Obviously, anyone who does not subscribe to this theocracy, must be a nutter, such as people who defend their countries from genocidal invaders, or people who complain about radiation related birth defects from our bombs, or people who just don’t understand the saving blood of Jesus is capable of eradicating sins. If they’re that stupid, it must be legitimate to massacre them, and if they still don’t get it, maybe the ones who left their homes to live in squalor in another country as refugees will reflect on the true wisdom of the UK religion.

Why is there this ongoing constructed and simplistic duopoly b/w being a state run by a totalitarian US slave-dictator and a hairy entity run by ‘The Taliban’? As though only those two (extremely temporally-defined) options existed in the entire universe of political philosophy and human history – and indeed religion-inspired political-societal thought?!

That’s exactly the same argument Bush et al use and it entails the collapsing of history into a point of absolute darkness. It seems to me symptomatic of a simple longing for ‘perfect’ power and also demonstrates a fundamental lack of imagination. Suits them well, those who wish to govern us all. Which end of the egg do you believe one ought to crack? Guelphs and Ghibellines. Pope and Antipope, Rangers and Celtic. Laurel and Hardy.

There must be – there are – a whole range of potential systems that entail a reasonably equitable distribution of resources among the population, the avoidance of boiling people alive, the active application of religious and cultural freedom and of people being assured that their heads will remain conjoined with their bodies. I agree entirely that people must be allowed to determine and evolve their own systems and that they cannot be imposed and that the above-denoted are simply my own very general views.

Right now, I prefer Tony’s suggestion that we fill our car-boots with prime-quality horseshit, grab our monopods and take to the hills amidst a world of red, rumbling volcanoes.

The reason I put my address on this blog is that with Craig defecting to the Liberals, and saying that he would prefer Clegg not to want to send money to boost the Afghan slaughter, instead of taking a stand and opposing him, I do not see any corner of the UK establishment that is prepared to fight the corner of Islam.

I have spent many years trying to explain to Muslims that the British are people of integrity, but they have been powerless for generations to oppose their establishment, who are intent on war and colonialism. Craig has either had his price found, which I doubt, or his pride found, that he might like to share in the pathetic glory of tagging in on a Liberal coat-tail in a hung parliament.

What is the point in trusting in a non-Muslim champion if his price or his pride can be found? This is divorce, between myself and my country, if the last of the champions of British decency have succumbed. Why did our ancestors fight for England and freedom from tyranny of Nazism or of Papism, or of our own feudal system, if at the end we just turned to jelly and caved in to tyranny of state-sponsored genocide against sovereign foreign nations, and for what? for a pathetic, measly, poxy, fiddled General Election.

This is a historic moment, when principle and honour and integrity and freedom of expression, have all finally been sluiced down the drain. If Craig is prepared to sacrifice his principles for a general election, who gives a damn about this country. All it contains is market-worshipping, money-spider-brained, spin-wanked, darwinian monkeys.

We might as well all become Sikhs or spivs or paedophiles for all I care, if no-one will stand up against the destruction of international conventions, because if Britain doesn’t uphold international conventions, I can guarantee you that nobody else is going to uphold them.

Anno, look I get what you’re saying – but we – all of we who do not accept the seemingly omnipotent grip of the military-industrial complex et al – need to continue the struggle in whatever way we can. No point being desolate. It’s a fight, a long, long fight. We need to have bones of iron and spirits of diamond. Empires come and go but truth remains.

Craig has to make his own decisions and I feel sure he will be fighting for what is right in whatever context he finds himself. We can agree or disagree with re-joining mainstream political parties but disarray and dismay just hands ultimate victory – the victory of the spirit – over to the forces of oppression and ‘shock and awe’.

We must constantly demonstrate that we are neither shocked not awed, that we sons and daughters of Awake – Hayy Ibn Yaqzan – that in spite of everything we billions are Alive.

anno,

Don’t be too hard on Craig. Even at the time of his Norwich attempt, I was of the view that the best way to achieve change was through people like Craig joining any of the mainstream political parties and to try and influence policy from within.

At the time of the European Elections I tried my best to convince both my kids to engage with the democratic process and vote – even if it was for the monster raving loony party. They convinced me, the situation was hopeless and that voting would never change anything. The system is not only broken, it is hopelessly corrupt.

I now believe my Children are right. The system cannot be fixed as it is. Its like a virus ridden piece of operating system software that is so hopelessly corrupt, that not even a fresh re-install is worth bothering with – because all the old problems will still remain.

I am also sorry to say, that religion too is in exactly the same state. It is ALL based on myth. It may once have been of some use in providing a moral framework, but now it is all long past its sell by date and is hopelessly corrupt.

So it is best to ignore all these people trying to control what you think and what you do. Just keep out of their way and say yes when they tell you to do something, but just carry on as you did before trying to do your best for your family and your friends. Its not worth the bother of saying no and arguing with them. Just say yes and then ignore them when they go away. They will then feel happy thinking they have exerted their control over you.

They simply aren’t worth the bother.

Tony

following Jean Kirkpatrick’s bullshit article back in the 80s (?) a totalitarian government basically means a dictatorship not allied to the US.

An authoritarian government is a dictatorship allied to the US and so not so bad, by this theory.

Utter hypocrisy but it serves the purposes of American nationalists so it’s become a popular hypocrisy.

and i agree with Tony – Craig has not given up his principles – he’ll keep to them whether he’s in the Lib Dems or not.

There are at least some decent people in most of the big parties – including some MPs.

i don’t agree that stopping voting will help though – anyone who doesn’t vote will end up with no influence at all

Duncan,

Send us £500 and I will consider joining the Monster Raving Loony Party, and if they haven’t already selected a candidate for where I live, I may offer myself as a candidate.

Just don’t expect to get your money back.

Actually make it £2,000 for expenses too.

I’m really cheap.

Tony

Unfortunately I think I’m too late

http://www.omrlp.com/

06/04/10 Election Update 2010

PLEDGES SO FAR:- Could all proposed candidates contact Party HQ ASAP for your briefing papers!

1. Dale Fontaine—- Rushmoor,Aldershot

2. Alan Powell——-Ludlow and South

3. Roger Monksummers——-Dorset North

4. Nutty Farrquha Perigrine Parker—–Welwyn Garden City

5. Mark Adshead to stand in Sheffield Hallam Against Nick Clegg

6. Andy Gibb Mole Valley Surrey

7. Chris Buttick Rochdale

8. Garry Norton———–Chesterfield

9. Martin Taylor———-Brighton-Kemptown

10. Tony Davies—–Blackpool North

11. Robert Day——-Halifax

12. George Ridgeon—-Tewkesbury

13. Jaz Delorean :- to stand in—– Lewisham

14. Elizabeth Beighton————-Sheffield

15. Martin Hogbin—————–East Surrey

16. Liam Keeping——————Cardiff

17. NAPOLEON DYNAMITE alias Tommy Kitkat to stand in Old Bexley and Sidcup

18. Matt ‘ Bananamatt’ Fensome to stand in ‘Milton Keynes North’

19. Nick Humphries – Derby South

20. CHRIS ROGERS (Lord Offa of the Dykes) – Brecon and Radnorshire

21. GARY FINNIGAN Washington North–Tyne&Wear

22. COLIN DALE to stand in BUCKS

23. STEVE GUEST to stand in Gloucester against Parmjit Dhanda

24. DANCING KEN HANKS to stand in Chelteham

25. MONKEY THE DRUMMER to stand in Kingston+Surbiton

26. CAMPAGNE CHARLIE to stand in Bath

27. DAVID ‘THE PRIEST’ PRIESTLY to stand in Battersea

28. TOP CAT OWEN to stand in Wokingham against JOHN REDWOOD.

29. JAMES “Jimbo” Edgington to stand in WAKEFIELD.

30. CRUCIAL CHRIS DOWLING of “Whats Next Brain Child” is to stand against Nick Griffin ‘BNP’ leader in BARKING,London

31. HOWLING ‘LAUD’ HOPE………WITNEY against David Cameron

32. Nick the Flying Brick………Derbyshire Dales

33. R.U.SEERIUS……… MID DERBYSHIRE

34. SAM ‘THING……………….AMBER VALLEY

35. JOHNNY CARTWRIGHT………. CROYDON

36. CHINNERS……….ESHER & WALTON

37. MAD MIKE YOUNG………..ISLE OF SHEPPEY

38. ROCKIN’ ROBBO…………..KENT

39. EDDIE VEE (ELVIS)………YORK

40. BARON VON THUNDERCLAP..SUSSEX

41. HAIRY KNORM………..FAVERSHAM

42. MARK BEECH aka “The Good Knight Sir Nosda”………CARDIFF CENTRAL

43. GARY DENMAM aka “Laird Flash Hartt” …………Wealden Crowborough

44. NIGEL KNAPP…………..North Hackney & Stoke Newington against Dianne Abbot.

45. LORD TOBY JUG………..CAMBRIDGESHIRE

Positions Vacant for 2010 Election

FINAL CALL FOR LOONY CANDIDATES THIS WEEK

I don’t want to panic anyone about what is currently going on, but around 50% of the food consumed in the UK doesn’t come by Ship – it comes by air…

Even the fucking cheap Roses.

The amount of fresh food moved to the UK by air is a lot…

We are lucky this is happenning in the Spring rather than the Autumn…

World food reserves are at an historical low despite the bullshit…

Get digging if you want to survive…

Buy those seeds and get them germinating

Forget about the flowers unless they are edible.

We could be in deep shit in less than 2 weeks

Tony

I thought ‘Bukharian’s comment(Guardian) was rather good and then I realised it was ‘anno’ who wrote the original.

Theocracy thoughts -

well, imperfect men cannot perfectly enforce the perfect laws of God. However some powerful men think they can reign in the name of God and do as God tells them to do – like smashing Iraq…

Contingency Planning and Disaster Recovery is one of the things I was trained in and responsible for.

It involves thinking about what could possibly go wrong and producing plans and implementing them to cover anything you can think of.

What we have now, may not be a serious problem. Air Traffic may resume in a few days…but it is possible that it won’t for a considerable period…

We urgently need to redeploy our shipping to for example instead of shipping liquified natural gas – to shipping food…

I honestly do not know if our |Government is even capable of thinking about such things – let alone deploying them…

So it has got to be down to private Companies that normally shift stuff like oil and gas to ship food.

We can live without imported energy for the next 6 months – because it hopefully will get warmer…

We will be totally fucked if suddenly we lose 50% of our food supply.

Is anyone even thinking about this?

Tony

I have repeatedly voiced my horror of theocracy of the blog.

My concern for Muslims is that they should be allowed to practice their religion in peace and should not be persecuted or subject to invasion, repression or the many evils of Islamophobia. It does not mean that I support the idea of Islamic governments – I do not, at all. Nor Christian, Jewish, Hindu etc governments. States should be secular. I have never had any other view.

My hobbies are drinking alcohol and consorting with bad women. Uzbeks seem to have similar hobbies. You are entitled to view that as an aberration. I view it as a sign of a well balanced society. Don’t project your own desires onto either me or the Uzbek people!

Like others, I find you an engaging and enjoyable contributor here.

Mmm. I bet that last post isn’t by anno But anno, I don’t think anyone is sacrificing anything by supporting a decent person currently trying to get into our parliament.

217 Members of Parliament, of all parties, voted against the Iraq war.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2862325.stm

We need to re-energise those thinkers, and add more. Someone’s going to be in charge of the law, and they had better be good, I do agree.

Tony, yes. I think there’s nothing practical I can do apart from read the Daily Mash while we wait and see.

That post was by Craig, not me. BTW please delete my address anyway.

Projection. Definition, putting things you don’t like about yourself onto someone else. I heard from a regular visitor to Uzbekistan, a Muslim, that there was a general thirst for Islam in Uzbekistan, but it was incredibly dangerous to do more than just pray Friday prayers. So I wasn’t projecting in this case.

No reply to my statement that the UK has a religion, which denies guilt because it has been washed away by redemptive sacrifice. It enables people to do stuff and not feel bad about it, either individually or collectively. Obviously no-one would stop doing something if they didn’t think it was harmful or plain wrong.

Craig although you have always expressed your horror at theocracy, I have always thought of this in the way that I thought of my father, who could only tolerate 20 minutes of theocratic point of view before declaring silence.

Indeed the silence about the slaughtering and displacement of millions of Muslims is what is weird.

‘You have asked enough questions, Don’t give yourself airs. Be off before I kick you downstairs.’ It’s your blog, Craig, and your life, this one and the next.

But for myself I will never forget my father’s last words which were: ‘I have wasted my whole life.’ Please waste yours, with party compromise which you have always stated you hate, and refusal to listen to God’s grace in sending His messengers to guide our life.

That post was by Craig, not me. BTW please delete my address anyway.

Projection. Definition, putting things you don’t like about yourself onto someone else. I heard from a regular visitor to Uzbekistan, a Muslim, that there was a general thirst for Islam in Uzbekistan, but it was incredibly dangerous to do more than just pray Friday prayers. So I wasn’t projecting in this case.

No reply to my statement that the UK has a religion, which denies guilt because it has been washed away by redemptive sacrifice. It enables people to do stuff and not feel bad about it, either individually or collectively. Obviously no-one would stop doing something if they didn’t think it was harmful or plain wrong.

Craig although you have always expressed your horror at theocracy, I have always thought of this in the way that I thought of my father, who could only tolerate 20 minutes of theocratic point of view before declaring silence.

Indeed the silence about the slaughtering and displacement of millions of Muslims is what is weird.

‘You have asked enough questions, Don’t give yourself airs. Be off before I kick you downstairs.’ It’s your blog, Craig, and your life, this one and the next.

But for myself I will never forget my father’s last words which were: ‘I have wasted my whole life.’ Please waste yours, with party compromise which you have always stated you hate, and refusal to listen to God’s grace in sending His messengers to guide our life.

@Anno re guilt: I think you’re confusing the Catholic Church with the C of E! Catholics may get officially forgiven for everything by a priest once a week, but since they’re taught to believe in original sin manage to feel bad for no reason on a daily basis; a condition known as ‘Catholic guilt’ in fact.

In the C of E, on the other hand, you have to rely on other people forgiving you. And you might occasionally feel guilty, but it is not mandatory, it is true. I would hate to generalise, but out of Blair (Catholic) Gordon Brown (Presbyterian) and C of E (Rowan Williams); the representative of the relatively benign and hopeful school of thought opposed the invasions, and the guilt-ridden started them.

There was massive opposition across the country. There still is. The silence in this election is extraordinary, I agree. But as you say, I think we’re all still in shock.

I wonder, what are you doing about the election? Are you supporting an independent?

PS Sorry, don’t mean to offend any Catholics and Presbyterians; of course that was a massive generalisation!

Technicolour

I was not talking about Christianity or any of its branches. I meant the internalised remnant of our Christian past, which I believe lives on in UK values. Others see no connection between our values and former theocracies and therefore no need to press Refresh on the subject of theocracy.

As to the election, I configure myself as a French Huguenot living under Robespierre. A Muslim about to live under a Conservative Cameron who is going to legislate against freedom to oppose UK foreign policy. The War against Islam being conducted in the wider world, will be directed against the Muslims within the UK. If Cameron gets in, I’m going. My vote will be with my feet. I regard Nick Clegg as equally dangerous to Muslims in the UK as Cameron, because he is a toff, and a most unlikely bedfellow of Mr Murray for that reason. The toffs hate the feeling that large parts of their country have been subverted to another value system.

They are completely Islamophobic, unlike Craig.

Anyway, I’m hoping that the British public will see behind Cameron’s smokescreens of change, and realise that he will privatise everything, like the bad old Thatcher days. And that they will ignore the LibDems because they did not give them an anti-war vote. I can live with New Labour, because apart from the friends of Israel elements, they are normal people, like the Muslims. Doesn’t mean I’m going to vote for them, though.

Anno,

I find the continuing attachment of Britain’s Muslims – apparently including yourself – to New Labour absolutely nauseating. Who precisely backed and joined in Bush’s wars, and ramped up Islamophobia to introduce all kinds of coercive domestic legislation?

To claim that the Lib Dems would be worse for Muslims than New Labour is frankly such crap it is not worth addressing. You are licking the boot that kicks you.

“…drinking alcohol and consorting with bad women.” Archetypal Heavy Metal lyric!

Mind you, like Richard III and to some extent Cromwell, Robespierre is a much-demonised figure in British histories of the French Revolution.

In his favour, not only did this pale-faced, dry lawyer try his best not to have Danton et al sent to the guillotine, he also pushed through emancipation of the slaves; this was promptly reversed by the succeeding regime of the Directory who then proceeded to crush Haiti.

And of course, the Huguenots – though I realise that anno will know immensely more about this than I – had been persecuted most viciously under the French kings during the C17th.

Yes Craig, of course it’s crap. The election is crap because there is no anti-war choice. Don’t lump me in with other Muslims. I was brought up with the Westminster Cleggs and I know that they are the most stubbornly ignorant, devious, unchangeable, class-fossilised, Islamophobes. Tadpoles of the FCO in fact.

When I came into Islam, the elders of the mosque told me they were waiting for Allah to change the hearts of the elite, the members of the establishment. I told them that these people had dedicated themselves from first consciousness to oppose the thinking and beliefs of Islam.

Many of the offspring of the establishment have come into Islam, but not the die-hards like Clegg, who ruthlessly deposed his rivals within the Liberal party. Maybe you like politics. I detest it, especially amongst Muslims.

As I said before, even if your new found bad woman, Libera Demcock wins the election, and installs you as Prime Minister, and is good to Muslims in a patient and patronising kind of way, it will still end in tears, because she, like you, rejects the important thing, the reality of religion. She like you will continue to persecute the concept of faith while posing as an anti-Islamophobe.

Anno

“But on the inside they loathe us, our religion and our Allah, because we are witness to the condition of man, half beast, half angel.”

Absolute bollocks.

Craig

I know that you are a secularist and a liberal, and you believe that this is the best system for this country.

I that same way that you have the right to choose secularism and liberalism for this country, Muslims have the right to implement Islam in their countries, or even turn it in to a single country if they so desire.

I think what Anno was trying to refer to

was how secularism and liberalism are imposed on Muslim countries, on people who would prefer Islamic law to secularist liberal laws.

I said the same thing using other words.

Craig, you don’t believe in the absolute.

I think the vogue for political parties which call themselves ‘Islamic’ has peaked. In Pakistan, the second-largest Muslim country in the world, people systematically have been voting ‘Islamic’ parties out and secular parties in, across the country over the past several years. This includes in the NWFP, supposedly the most ‘traditional’ part of the country, where the people voted-in the Awami Party, a leftist secular party. People are very much against the US/UK/Pakistan Army bombing civilians with drones, etc., etc. and want to see the back of foreign troops as well the back of Pakistan Army in domestic politics, but it seems equally clear that the vast majority of the population wants no truck with parties which call themselves ‘Islamic’. They have seen what such parties do in practice, on the ground.

What the ordinary people of these countries want is proper healthcare, universal education and a more equitable distribution of wealth. It will be incremental, perhaps, but now in local, provincial and state legislatures, 33% of the participants – by law – are women, from the grassroots, up. The Constitution of 1973 has been restored. Next, cautiously, it is likely that the Govt. will turn its attention to those heinous laws – Hudood and Zina Ordinances, etc. brought-in by the Zia Junta in the 1980s – anti-woman laws masquerading as ‘Islamisation’. By and large, women know what the priorities are and it is they who hold society together. Does this not accord with the micro-finance schemes established by that wonderful Bangladeshi economist? This is beginning to usher in seismic shift in policy. A silent revolution is occurring – silent, only because it’s barely reported in the global media who are obsessed with ‘Jihadism versus NATO’. There are other paths.

The only segment in Pakistan who fret about ‘how Islamic’ this or that is, is a minority of the Islamic fashionista ‘drawing-room salon’ class.

The PPP is far from perfect and is a broad church – with a feudal base in Sindh Province. But it also contains those who genuinely want to see the underlying conditions of the people improve. It is the only political entity capable of uniting the country. So-called ‘Islamic’ parties signally have failed to do so.

And almost no-one wants the Taliban.

Karimov…

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‘They have seen what these ( Islamic ) parties do in practise, on the ground.’

We have to keep this simple for the religiously dim.

There is no point in conceiving of obedience to God in terms of what suits ourselves. God sees the wider picture of what our position will be in our afterlife, not just what suits us in this life. He sees what is benefit to the world, not just what will benefit my clan or my self. Democracy is not compatible with Islam, because what people want, by and large is benefit in the here and now and me and mine.

We have only to look to the UK as an example of the selfishness of democracy. Wealth has been transferred through interest from the working people to the money-seekers. Weapons of mass destruction have been deployed on innocent populations, on the grounds of their non-compliance with Western interests, or their protest at Western interests continuously exploiting other countries through abusive puppets, armed by Western powers. Morality, which cradles the vulnerable in society, has been superceded by selfish lusts, leading to a generation of lost elderly people and a generation of lost youngsters, some of whom have only the refuge of drugs.

Craig argues thus: He is against the Laws of God being imposed on people by government. The internal sanctions of the religion, further internalised inside the individual, should suffice.

That’s nice, because the majority don’t believe in religion, and of those that do, many follow corrupted versions of God’s religion, and many are weak in faith.

It’s a bit of a free for all, then. Who’s got big bombs, big dicks, big plans, big egos, are guaranteed to prevail over the rest of the world. That’s what Craig believes in, freedom of the individual from outside control. But what he says he wants to achieve, which the cessation of horrendous wars, and cessation of government restricting our rights, will never be achieved by the Liberal paradigm.

It reminds me of the parable of the house that was built on sand. This country rejected the illogicality of Liberalism over a hundred years ago.

It always happens that when this country has exceeded all bounds of self-control, as has happened in Iraq and Afghanista, carpet-bombing civilians!!!!!, then for a short time the English panic and resort to fantasy land. Freedom. What is in fact needed is a re-establishment of Divine principles over the man-made principles which saw George Bush cancelling the Geneva Convention for his philosophical opponents. A re-establishment of Divine principles over the free for all of sexual liberation and a re-establishment of Divine principles over what the individual is trying to achieve as a human being.

I don’t want to hear about the horrible things people do to eachother. I want to wake up in the morning and join the universe in praising my Creator. Muslims are worrying about whether they missed a piece of their body out in their pre-prayer ablutions, not about who bombed who, who fucked who, who won the banking lottery.

Every time this country degrades itself by committing excesses of violence beyond all bounds of decency and humanity, God changes us, to worse than we were before. I really cannot believe that we have a country which can justify its violence on the grounds of the principle that we detest the rule of Divine Law. We didn’t really want the oil, we didn’t really want strategic control of the country we bombed. All we wanted was to prevent the abomination of Divine Law being used to determine the government of a foreign, sovereign land.

Echoes of Darwinism, the theory that emerged from the Slave Trade, that really we were better than the black man. Now we are stating that our selfishness and violence are better than Islam, because we have freedom, and Muslims submit to a Higher Being.

Words fail me about the implications of an intellectual like Craig, adopting a slogan of this futility. But don’t let me stop you. It is a matter already decreed, and the ink is dry.

Yet history demonstrates to us that no matter what system – ‘divinely-inspired’ (of whatever religion), materialist (communist, capitalist, whatever), feudal, neolithic, hunger-gatherer… all of the killings and maiming to which you refer has gone on and on and on down through time. These are demons we will always be fighting. They may destroy humanity and the planet, now that the weapons exist with which to achieve this form of Armageddon. Or perhaps a volcano or two will suffice. This is the human tragedy. This the human condition.

We can strive to make things better according to this or that law or faith-based rubric. Perfectability is not possible for us pompous animals in this universe. Great humans like the Prophet Muhammad, Buddha, Jesus (Hazrat Issa), etc. lit the way, and viewing what they all went through, the rest of us can but strive to make things better and not become depressed when we find that it is hard and that the forces ranged against us are as high as mountains.

Suhayl

No theocracy + anti-war = diplomacy

No theocracy + pro-war = armaggeddon

Craig appears to have walked blindfold from liberal tolerance to Liberal aggression. Not happy.

But anno, I may have missed something enormous, but I don’t see where our host has stated that suddenly he’s become pro-the-wars in Asia.

One or other person may have mixed feelings about someone like him re-joining a mainstream party and/ or view it as a ‘cop-out’ or as a concession to the Hard State and to feel annoyed about that, yet there are a lot of people in the LibDems and Labour who are very much against the war/ Trident/ Israel’s aggression/ fundamentalist capitalism, etc., etc. Perhaps they are indeed deluded and ought not to be members of these parties. That’s for debate. I’m aware of the various longstanding (eg. anti-imperial) critiques of liberalism.

My point was simply that being a theocratic (as opposed to a monarchical, feudal, polyarchic, plutocratic, autocratic, democratic, etc. or a mixture of any of these) political entity seems to have had no effect, historically, on the alacrity of the state for war/ the use of violence internally and externally. I think human beings seem to be hard-wired for war. This is soemthing we need to tackle, but it won’t go away.

Maybe you’re right, though, and I’m missing something like an elephant in the sitting-room.

The other thing, anno, is you can’t have it both ways. First, you say that “95% of Uzbeks would” like a Taliban government and then, when I write that the vast majority of Pakistanis would not like a Taliban government, you say that it doesn’t matter what people want because – and this philosophical view is very Marquis de Sade, actually not very Islamic at all – people are motivated primarily by greed and lust. So which is it?

If Mr Murray has signed up to Mr Clegg who has signed up to Mr Obama who has signed up to Mr Brizhinsky who has signed his name in blood to attack Muslims on all sides, it’s not very nice, is it.

Why do lots of lovely Liberals who totally disagree with Mr Clegg, continue to support him as if their little cosy party would never do any of the nasty collective genocides the other nasty parties would do. Party collective self-brain-washing is the cause of the problem. To think otherwise is to deny the history of the last ten years, with politicians wringing their hands and shedding crocodile tears at all the pwoblems caused by Mr Blair, who took his power from their nasty grubby little signatures, not me guv, it was ‘im wot did it. Hypocrites all of them , including Mr high and mighty CM himself, if you ask me.

Suhayl

As Arsalan pointed out, the Taliban and the US war machine are not the only systems of government in the history of the universe. The Taliban is not what it is portrayed by Western media to be. Take a photo of me when I’m in a bad mood, it isn’t the sum total of me, or even me at all, unless you see the context of my bad mood in the total round, which even I cannot see.

No, the principle of establishing theocratic government is fundamental to Islam, No Law without authority. No authority without mercy and humanity. The West always projects its own violence on Islam. Say no more.

I do not support New Labour at all at all. I said that Mr Clegg is in the same category as Mr Blair, devious, public school, manipulative, say anything to please the establishment, such as Yes I will fight your anti-Muslim wars just to get power,

Then like Blair, he can use the support he cultivated by good policies that turned out to be false promises, to repeat what Blair did in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Craig appears to want to be to Clegg what Gordon Brown was to Tony Blair.

He seems to think that he can afford to buy into the realpolitic of global aggression on the back of his reputation as an anti-war critic. but once you buy into it, you start to take shares in it, and before you know what’s happened you’re supporting it like Gordon Brown.

As I have stated many times, the purpose of the election is to give the bloody sheets, clothes and murder weapons of UK plc a thorough whitewash and clean. Mr New then says ” Don’t think all politicians are the same, I am totally different from those awful new Labour, Trust me, Look at all these starry-eyed idealists I have in my government.”

I am not prepared to be taken in again. Craig Murray signing up to Clegg’s genocidal manifesto is a repeat of the Blair scenario. Exactly the same.

I don’t say that Gordon Brown won’t have his neck twisted to go to war again. he will. But we will tell him that he has form. We will tell him that everything web wanted to do to Blair, we will definitely do to him if he signs us into another genocide. If Clegg or Cameron are in power, they will both say NO NO NO, ask my anti-Karimov Foreign Secretary Craig Murray or my ex MI5/6 Foreign Secretary who has spent many years getting to know and love the people of Afghanistan. We are clean, clean clean. It’s just that we don’t like theocracies and dictators, so we have to invade Syria, Iran and all the other -stans.

If you think that’s too clever political garbage, in my opinion so is Craig’s supporting a pro-war leader while he is anti=theocracy.

My policy is no compromise, no party games, and no tolerance of anti-Islamic racism that theocracy is by definition a bad thing.

“As Arsalan pointed out, the Taliban and the US war machine are not the only systems of government in the history of the universe.” anno

Actually, anno, it was me who pointed that out. Arsalan may have, too, in which case, good on him.

“A silent revolution is occurring – silent, only because it’s barely reported in the global media who are obsessed with ‘Jihadism versus NATO’. There are other paths.” Suhayl

I’m sure I’ve expanded on this somewhat elsewhere on this or another thread of this blog recently, something about there being many possible permutations.

Nonetheless, I know that the mainstream parties are all imperialist war-parties – that’s obvious. I think a voice like CM is more powerful and effective if it does not compromise and if it stays out of mainstream party politics. But CM’s made his decision, it’s up to him.

Craig, plz don’t say 95% of uzbeks dring alcahol. this is not true. absolutely not true. i guess when u were in uzbekistan, u just have been in bars frequesnly, where of course u’ll see the drinking people. but there are plenty of places in uzbekistan, where you can find those, who are not doing that. thank u for telling the issues we have to the world- i do hope this will make the situation better