As expected the Liberal Dems are just a change of face.

Their mouths produce the same shit as NeoLabour, they are just a different bunch of arseholes.

Maybe this alliance of the Conservatives has its good points?

If Muslims get arrested for having a bag of sugar in their kitchen it might cause Muslims to stop buying Sugar?

Diabetes is very high amongst the Indo/Pak community.

Maybe this will go in some way to reduce it?

Even though the bum plans are bollocks they might just save a few lives with this sugar ban? but unfortunately for them, the lives saved will be Muslim lives.

They plot, they plan, Allah too plans, and Allah is the best of Planners.

Cut down on Sugar everybody!

Excellent post.

Meanwhile celebrity blogger Iain Dale goes with -

“What about our human right not to be blown up?”

I’m reminded of the case of an antiques dealer who was arrested as part of an anti-cocaine trafficking operation. They’d been tapping the phones of the chief suspect and so had recorded the dealer saying something along the lines of, “The stuff you ordered is ready for collection.” He was released without charge after a couple of days of very unpleasant interrogation. This happened abroad – in the UK his fingerprints would have been kept on record despite his innocence. Imagine if he had been kept in the dark as to what the “evidence” against him was and so could not have provided a convincing explanation.

It’s good that we have a coalition deal and a part to play in power, but we’re not mutes!

The Beeb analyses was juvenile this evening, basically highlighting degrees of toughness/weakness in the coalition against an almost tabloid headlining of ‘terrorist gets off to walk amongst us’.

We should leap at the chance to challenge hypocrisy and to test out Tory commitment to freedom.

Thanks Craig…just more of the same then…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZC-gd4A_Gs&feature=related

It’s very clever the way they do this. I heard this on the Radio 1 news today ( i don’t control what we listen to). They announce that the Al-ciaduh terrorists aren’t being deported because they may be tortured. Then whilst the sheep are bleating loudly to each other about PC gone mad,they quickly explain that there wasn’t really any evidence and there were no charges brought.

I’ve enjoyed lecturing 20 or so people about this today, and it was so blatent that most of them admitted that maybe i’m not so paranoid after all.

They did the same thing with the Tory announcement that they’re cancelling the ID cards, sorry, what ID cards.

Theresa May sounded exactly like Jacqui Smith. I recently did a short item about the growth industry known as “special Advocates” – it may be of interest:

http://obiterj.blogspot.com/search?q=special+advocates

Good post, Craig.

Here’s one for the Boys (Own): “We’re going to seven weddings in Inverness and then to five more in Wick, three in Eastbourne and seven hundred in Truro. Oh – and the metal plate stuff you needed is ready for collection”.

The Rev. J. Hadley

Focus on the real terrorists – the economic terrorists who threaten to blow up what’s left of the economic system. The small firecracker around the time of the Greek panic is just an indicator, saying do as we say or we take the system down.

The fact that electronic interception is not admissable evidence in court seems to be because the security services don’t want the extent of their all-pervasive surveillance capabilities to be widely known. The evidence in this particular case may be weak, but I don’t think that’s the reason it is withheld in normal circumstances. The initial arrests were carried out prematurely, thanks to Assistant Commissioner Bob Quick accidentally revealing the operation by openly carrying the relevant papers when he entered 10 Downing Street in front of the assembled press photographers. Brown had arranged this publicity stunt to boost his popularity and anti-terrorist credentials. Having been exposed, the operation had to be rushed, severely limiting the quantity and quality of the evidence which could be obtained. If these people are dangerous, we have Gordon Brown and Bob Quick to thank for their presence on our streets still.

They sound the same because the same people who read words into J Smith’s ears are still in the same place. The price of not having initiatives is their stupidity.

…it was also suggested that Mr Quick intentionally let the plans be seen and there was a photographer ready to snap the pages which if i remember correctly were of a very large font type. Mr Quick was about to retire anyway so there was no great loss there.

For all the money and human resources spent on it by UK govt it has to be asked do we get value for money from our so-called intelligence services especially when dealing with “plots”? Surely these outlaws have cracked on to the idea by now not to discuss their plans over an electronic media? I suggest most of the spying is more to do with industrial espionage and gaining ecconmic advantage.

Great post, Craig. I notice they said on the news this guy will be put on a “Control Order.” Like ASBOs, this seems a marvelous way to punish someone indefinitely on a arbitrary basis despite having been convicted of no crime at all.

Of course, failing to follow the Control Order / ASBO _is_ a crime, for which such a person will be locked up. The more onerous the C.O., the better the chance that they’ll break it, go mad, or best of all leave the country.

http://glennbarder.livejournal.com/4246.html

If you want to read the e-mails, they’re on the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8689439.stm

“Spooks wanted. Must have lively imagination. Rampant paranoia a distinct advantage”

Sorry – the Special Immigration Appeals Commission’s interpretation of those e-mails – their juxtaposition of conversations about dating with bomb making – is just so surreal, I can’t stop thinking of Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon, especially these naughty Rocket Limericks:

http://zork.net/fortunes/rocket-limericks

(NB LOX = liquid oxygen – very cold)

Reflections on the saintly Vince:

“Cable joined Shell in 1990; he was appointed chief economist in 1995, the same year as the writer Ken Saro-Wiwa and eight other leaders of the southern Nigerian Ogoni ethnic group were executed by the Sani Abacha military government. This was after a wave of state-sponsored violence in the south. In May, campaigners accused Shell before a court in New York of complicity in the violence in order to protect its oil interests. The following month, in an out-of-court settlement, Shell agreed to pay the victims’ families $15.5m, but refused to accept legal responsibility for the nine deaths.

So has Cable ever spoken out against the firm? The journalist Mark Lynas, who interviewed Cable when he worked at Shell, remembers him as being deeply evasive and avoiding all questions about Saro-Wiwa. Lynas is astonished at Cable’s transformation into Britain’s favourite politician. “I don’t know how anyone could have stayed at Shell during that period and slept at night,” he told me. “Because of Shell, I’ve always questioned his judgement on human rights.”

Campaigners in Britain and in Nigeria are outraged. “For a former high-ranking Shell official to parade himself as a progressive liberal smacks of rank opportunism and cynicism,” Sanya Osha, author of a book on Ken Saro-Wiwa and Ogoniland, told me. “One can’t take such a volte-face seriously.” But perhaps he had no idea of what was going on in Shell’s Nigerian operation? Osha disagrees. “I think it is inconceivable that a chief economist at Shell would be unaware of the activities of the [Nigerian] military regime in relation to the plight of the Ogoni people.” Ben Amunwa of the Remember Saro-Wiwa project agrees: “I find it hard to believe that senior Shell staff were free of responsibility for what happened in Nigeria.”"

http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2009/09/mehdi-hasan

“The Orange Book: Reclaiming Liberalism (ISBN 1-86197-797-2) is a book written by a group of prominent British Liberal Democrat politicians and edited by David Laws and Paul Marshall in 2004. Beside Laws and Marshall, the contributors include Vincent Cable, Nick Clegg, Edward Davey, Chris Huhne, Susan Kramer, Mark Oaten and Steve Webb. The book was published in association with the liberal think-tank CentreForum.

In the book the group offers liberal solutions ?” often stressing the role of the free market ?” to several societal issues, such as public healthcare, pensions, environment, globalisation, social and agricultural policy, local government, the European Union and prisons. It is usually seen as the most economic liberal publication that the Liberal Democrats have produced in recent times. Such, along with its impact upon the party, it has helped cause the dividing line within the party: those who advocate a social market economy observing social liberal values such as the Beveridge Group and those (such as authors, contributors and supporters of the Orange Book) who advocate a free market economy.

The book stirred debate on the policy of the Liberal Democrats.”

Notice that all of these who still held seats are now in government with the Tories.

This is quite simply a coalition between the right wing of the Lib Dems and the Tories with every other view excluded.

Makes you wonder why these right wing Lib Dems didn’t just join the Tories in the first place, rather than hijack another party.

Of course Tony Blair did that too, and that all ended in tears.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orange_Book_-_Reclaiming_Liberalism

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Slightly off-topic… anyone still laughing about my post earlier this month, about just how bad this “spill” in the gulf actually is?

Any other damned fool going to tell us how it’s about to be capped any minute now, so there’s nothing to really worry about? Or dismiss preposterous notions of cubic miles of dense oil plumes, and how that can be just waved away, dismissing them as 99.99% water ?

And how BP is claiming to have it licked, because up to 2,000 barrels a day are being “syphoned” off now. That’s out of their own “estimate” of 5,000 barrels a day. From 140,000PSI pressure. With a 5″ diameter pipe. That’s a supposed 4 gallons/second, whereas a fire hydrant can deliver more than that. This “spill” is more like an on-going 3-4 million gallon/day event, at a conservative estimate.

Let’s just hope that very strained and blasted (by sand particles, moving very quickly) pipe, which is kinked and crimped just by happy accident! – doesn’t collapse. Let’s very much hope the drill-channel it’s sitting in doesn’t start to break up.

I’m sort of concerned that this is going to wind up in the Gulf currents, which will kill Florida beaches in maybe three weeks, and us a few months later. Sort of thing that might bother anyone near a coast, and anyone interested in life in the oceans.

Reassure me please, because I’m really, _really_ concerned about this.

* Sorry for the off-topic post. But we’re not taking this seriously enough.

That should have read 5′ – five foot, not five inch – diameter pipe.

Anyone who still uses the utterly stupid term ‘Islamophobia’ is, well, utterly stupid.

Yoni

I think we are entitled to ask you to expand on that remark.

If this is good as he claims then they may be forgiven quite a lot.

I hope he curtails the ridiculous police powers that have grown up during Blair’s fascist project.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Clegg-to-restore-liberties-in.6303541.jp

Although in your blog you talk of a communication intercept.

This was between him and an Al Quieda operative in Pakistan.

So, in effect, it was the endless repetition of the same old lies that made the British public reject new Labour. Fresh lies from fresh faces is fine. It doesn’t say much for British Ambassador to Pakistan, Adam Thomson, and old friend of mine, that the UK is trying to export the same lie they serve up to us morons, to the Pakistani security services. An Ambassador doesn’t have a brain of his own until he becomes an ex-Ambassador?

Does the Pakistan government have to be seen to be playing the same Star Chamber line? The Uk released the detainees that came from Guantanamo. Would not Pakistan do the same for its returned citizens who had been framed by the same War on Terror mentality? It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the UK Government and its FCO, and all the other nations’ Governments and FCO equivalents are under the iron control of another Global Force, that overrides all common-sense, logic or decency.

It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the whole lot are being blackmailed by the banking industry into the counter-intuitive War on Terror idea, which is in fact a war on Islam. I have heard two new initiatives put forward by this new government, 1/ a Green initiative to drive forward ecological ideas 2/ a Social, ‘ Big Government ‘ initiative to reverse Socialist ideas. The solution to these two problems was the same, viz. to set up a bank to lend money for these two initiatives.

In other words the solution is more Usury. When Mrs T. first mooted the idea of handing over power to the banks in the 1970s, I thought it was a very bad idea. The recession we are in now, is proof that it was a catastrophic disaster. How come the only solutions we are being offered are more of the same catastrophic disaster ideas? And how come the anti-Islamic agenda of the new government is more of the slandering of Islam, to be followed shortly by further aggressive wars?

patches53

Which dustbin did you rifle that piece of garbage from about ‘ an Al-Quaida operative in Pakistan ‘? Yesterday I was at the SAS Army base in Hereford to meet a friend. The police checked me and my vehicle out and found everything fine.

But when it comes to Pakistan, the same police check everything out and tell you that that the friend is an enemy operative.

Incrimination by Star Chamber, is supposed to be part of a new deal for the UK, in which threats to our civil liberties imposed by nasty New Labour are thrown out by popular demand. Well, let’s start by removing the racist bigotry of Gordon Brown that 90% of ‘terrorist’ threats to this country come from Pakistan.

The New Labour spin machine, which manufactured the ‘very big terror plot’ and manufactured the expose by Quick in Downing Street, also manufactured the presence of well-connected Muslim students

in the UK and media coverage of heavy-handed policing.

This is not just false-flagging, but false back-drop, false filming, false framing, false fears about what Pakistan would do to these men, false witness, false media reaction, and if the truth were told, false taking offence by Craig. The strategy of the establishment is to confuse everybody so that the job of destroying Islam and stealing their wealth and property can continue unchallenged by the decent citizens of the UK.

“Well, let’s start by removing the racist bigotry of Gordon Brown that 90% of ‘terrorist’ threats to this country come from Pakistan.”

that was more than racist bigotry , that was building the case to act against pakistan – so that the uk-usa could send in their war machine .. overtly rather than covertly as present.

maybe once iran has been ‘dealt’ with.

Who murdered Benazir Bhutto – or more importantly – why?

Fake – predicted in an earlier blog – keep it up ‘dark actors’ and I will reveal more!

Good post Craig – extremely good post!

Thanks for the post, Craig & for highlighting the unfairness of this case.

Justice (hardly) Mitting has been used for a while in the ‘terrorism’ ballgame:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/34dzmcx

Further info on the numerous UK ‘TERROR’ raids & trials is here:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yq2qg6

Here is the governments security policy minus some restricted bits on technical and procedural material on security grounds.

http://www.coia.org.uk/pdf/hmg_security_policy.pdf

Thanks Bert (Bridget will be pleased)

“Who murdered Benazir Bhutto – or more importantly – why?”

Is this today’s conspiracy theory?

Pervez Musharraf is protected in a London flat (round the corner from Blair’s house)by a detail from Scotland yard – paid by the British tax-payer to the tune of £25,000/day!

Musharraf knows too much (cough) so the security services are frightened he might be captured and interrogated (tortured) to reveal highly sensitive information.

Slightly off-topic… anyone still laughing about my post earlier this month, about just how bad this “spill” in the gulf actually is?

Continuing off-topic, I was watching a documentary series on BBC 4 entitled “Crude Britannia”, about the North Sea oil fields. A representative of Brown and Roots said that the cost of a rig in the North Sea field was at least 5 times that of one in the Gulf of Mexico because there was so little warning of impending storms, whereas in the Gulf they had about 2 days to get everyone off. This meant the North Sea rigs had to be built to withstand hurricanes but they could “afford to lose a couple of rigs each time” in the Gulf so long as the crews were evacuated. They build the Gulf rigs more cheaply, knowing that some are likely to be capsized and sunk each time there’s a hurricane and rely on the safety cut off valve working to prevent an oil spill. It seems it was only a matter of time therefore before a safety cut off valve failure resulted in a massive environmental disaster. Having their liability capped by federal law meant they saved a fortune on insurance costs and were less concerned about preventing an oil spill. As per usual, when the rich and powerful screw up, their laws mean its us less well off who have to pay for their negligence and dangerous cost cutting.

Angrysober,

Sorry mate – you have exposed your hand – it is a theory because the question of who killed Bhutto remains unresolved.

Obviously (or not) we blame the Taliban!

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has warned the US and EU against imposing unilateral sanctions against Iran over its nuclear work.

In a Wednesday telephone conversation, Lavrov discussed the Iranian nuclear work with his American counterpart Hillary Clinton, Ria Novosti reported.

Lavrov “expressed concern over coming reports about the intentions of the US and the European Union to go beyond a collective Security Council position on Iran and to impose unilateral sanctions.

Meanwhile in Afghanistan the CIA and and Xi type groups continue to recruit some Taliban factions they intend to use to promote terrorism and radicalism.

Such attempts are intended to produce instability in the region as a prelude to a strike on Iran, complicated by Pakistan’s nuclear capability.

Who knows who killed Benazir Bhutto? The most likely culprits are a segment of the ISI-military hierarchy – the people BB thought would kill her – she named them shortly before her death. I do not think the Taliban did it. They usually brag about killings, even if they didn’t commit them. The Musharraf regime bears some responsibility because of the relative lack of security provided to her. I do not think that Musharraf ordered her killing; Musharraf has lost a considerable amount of power by then; but as with the state, the Mafia and magistrates and police in Italy, leaving someone exposed can be tantamount to a message saying, “Who will rid me of this turbulent…”

The ISI, of course, is Pakistan’s very own state Mafia.

Those emails between Nasser and Pakistan on the BBC site are worth a look.

What about the girls he was discussing? Has he got their phone numbers, their addresses.

And what about the future mother-in-law! Is she upset that the wedding didn’t happen? Where was the wedding going to take place, who was going to officiate? Do you have to book in advance?

He says this in an email on April 3rd no more than 17 days before the wedding “I met with Nadia family and we both parties have agreed to conduct the Nikkah after 15th and before 20th of this month. I have confirmed the dates from them and they said you should be ready between these dates.”

Why is he discussing all this with someone in Pakistan?

The whole thing stinks, and I don’t think the smell is coming from the security services.

LibertyPhile,

It is the _alleged_ evidence that the SIAC say cannot be aired in court proving, or not, the contention that this man is a leader of an al-Qaeda plot… that smells a bit fishy!

Why do you think that Control Orders are used? Because the normal court process won’t work, as there is far too much fishiness around the cases of control order detainess. Fishiness that the securtity services etc. do not want aired…., because they are swimming amongst it all….

LibertyPhile,

you are right, and I should have read the e-mails more carefully. It is still wrong for these cases to be dealt with in such secrecy. That stink will remain until we open the windows.

LibertyPhile,

Maybe more of the details of the planned wedding were discussed in other e-mails which we are not party to.

But yes the fragments served up do look fishy, but are they in context ?

Are they even the original e-mail texts, or a poor translators version of them ?

Who in their right mind would use a code which is well known to the entire world’s intelligence services. Of course these are fishy emails, they are fabrications of the intelligence services. That’s their job, to prepare the ordinary man in the street for State Terror on a big scale, by presenting comic strip emails to the biassed media as Muslim terror threats.

Can we get on with smashing up a few industrial complexes in Iran, now that we’ve finished the election? Mr Obama is a busy man with a big list of countries to knock the shit out of, including most of the rest of the world. Can the Coalition please coalesce into a little gentle killing, or as Cameron would see it, get bloodied with its first fox-tail?

But how is this ‘Islamophobic’? Is there any evidence (apart from your own assumptions) that this authoritarian approach is related to the men’s faith?

The other explanation is, of course, that Nasser is an unlucky fantasist. The opinions he was expressing on those girls don’t come in just a date or two. Where are those girls? Where are the ex-prospective in-laws?

Has Naseer or his lawyers claimed that the emails are fabrications?

LibertyPhile,

appropriate questions from you and TheA1mighty – to which we have no answers, because of the secrecy.

“Not only must Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done”.

Published hearing details of the OPEN JUDGEMENT of Mitting’s decision are here:

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/SIAC/2010/77_2009.html

I recommend all those with a genuine interest to look at Bert’s link.

It gives a complete run down on the emails (on Yahoo, so they too are party to the plot!).

Naseer doesn’t deny they are his emails. His explanations are totally implausible, laughable even.

Justice has half been done!

LibertyPhile,

I’ve read half of the bailii.org page; so far, I do not share your confidence. It may be a while before I’ve read the whole thing more carefully.