“Carolyn Lamm, is now President of the American Bar Association – how sickening is that?”

Absolutely disgusting and obviously bound up with the “Pentagon’s major conduit for land supply to US forces in Afghanistan” which we have discussed before.

I will re-post your blog Craig because this corruption is a classic example of ‘turning a blind eye’ to satisfy the needs of invasion and war.

Presumably the regime knows why AIDS is spreading in the country. On that basis, why are they taking such a regressive position on needle/contraception programmes? I would have thought that if someone decided to become involved in the distribution of heroin, that it would not be helpful to draw attention to oneself by having a worsening HIV crisis as well.

Jon

Good point. I can only think it is a policy of not damitting it is happening. Given the massive scale of heroin addiction (see the eponymous chapter of murder in samarkand) the official figures are certainly much too low.

Surely it’s more a case of just not caring?

Please, Craig! Just send me the book! I need to read it!! Go on, be a gent. I’ll even vote Liberal next election!

Buy it you tight f*cker

neil

why not get it from the library?

Who is the BBC’s correspondent in Tashkent? Don’t we pay our licence fee to make sure that stories like this are properly treated by public ervice broadcasting?

Even better (I’m not sure how often the BBC does this) would be to have whoever it is in Tashkent and Mark Mardell in Washington giving complementary perspectives on the Uzbekistan/ USA relationship.

I sense some decent trouble-making opportunity here. I’ve never heard of AMFAR, but if they are high-profile in the AIDS research community there must be a few groups on the internet that have joint ventures with them. I wonder if getting in touch with said groups and explaining that AMFAR won’t even take calls on the matter – might help persuade the latter to be a touch more talkative?

Neil Barber: it costs about £6 on the internet, or £8 in shops. So all you need do is ingest nothing but water for two days and you’re there! Let me tell you that it’s fascinating and unputdownable, including mention of an attempt at a sexual world record – I will not say whether the mention is real or rhetorical, and I will say no more as kids may be reading this. There are happenings that are greater than anything conspiracy theorists could come up with. There are secrets not available to all that enable the Few to get bags of gold and be surrounded by beautiful women – look at the author, if you don’t believe me. So as not to give away too much, I cannot confirm or deny stories about the “potion of Tashkent”, that theoretically enables people to be young and irresistible till the age of 100!

You see, well worth 48 hours of fasting for. The question is: do you want it badly enough? Remember the series “SAS: are you tough enough?” WILL YOU go without fish and chips and good beer (or whatever) for 48 hours? THE CHOICE IS YOURS! Tell us if you make the Correct Choice, and your impression of reading it if you do.

PS. If you take my previous message as anything other than a joke, you do so at your own risk.

On one point I would not at all agree with some commentators about the addiction of Heroin in Uzbekistan. I have lived for 18 years in uzbekistan and would definitely commend the efforts of Uzbekistan Government for controlling the menace of Heroin. If somebody will have the opportunity of visiting OSH in South Kyrgyzstan and would take a walk to the mountain he would find 100s of Thousands needles. Near Tashkent a Small town Yangyul had developed the infrastructure of Heroin Users and sellers but Uzbek Security agencies have destroyed that group controlling the Narcotic trade.

In Central Asia Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan have serious problems about Heroin usage. But our misguided liberals in their pursuit of settling Score with the President Islam karimov are blaming every thing bad to him every thing good to other governments. I have noted that liberals are 99.99999999% better Human beings than average Human being (my own Opinion) and are more sensitive to human suffering but they should not forget and should not be carried away by their emotions.

I was myself KIDNAPPED by Uzbekistan security Agencies on 10th December 2009 and Found and released on 12th April 2010. I still am trying to seek justice through system. But I still can differentiate between truth and lie, fact and fiction. Uzbekistan is a great country, it is an oasis of prosperity, It has its problems which can be handled

in a better way and we should engage and not confront.

“Much more worrying is further evidence of the reach of the Karimovs in Washington. Paid Karimov lobbyist and former lawyer for Zeromax, Carolyn Lamm, is now President of the American Bar Association – how sickening is that?”

Really? This is much more worrying? So are you saying that the rest of what you wrote is not as worrying as this person being the head of the ABA?

Why would you think that being the head of the ABA would count for anything? If you knew anything, you’d know that the ABA is not all that influential. For instance, the ABA has strongly advocated against the death penalty for years. Really to no avail.

“Presumably Lamm played a key role in the huge Pentagon supply contracts landed by Zeromax.”

Well that’s a big leap isn’t it Craig Murray?

To state the obvious, we can be sure that a large conglomerate has all sorts of attorneys and lobbyists working for it. So you’ve named one. And then you impute all of the actions of that large conglomerate to her.

Your standards of evidence resemble those of your nutcase truther followers.

I used to work at White & Case, and in some minor part for Carolyn Lamm. I suppose I’m also responsible for the Zeromax contracts with the Pentagon.

God knows what you’re responsible for, Larry. You’ve shown no heart, and precious little sense, on this blog.

And yes, Karimov’s influence on the US (and UK) government is much more worrying than the fake demise of Zeromax.

See? No sense; you didn’t even check the context.

I checked the specific claims.

“AMFAR refused to answer or return my calls.

I call for a boycott of AMFAR because of their continuing friendly links with the Uzbek regime.”

No, you’re calling for a boycott among your idiot truther followers because the people at AMFAR figured out pretty quickly that you’re a nutcase who coddles other nutcases. They don’t return your calls because you’re a nut.

But, hilariously, your boycott will amount to nothing.

Where did AIDS come from?

“Where did AIDS come from?”

Two contradictory claims – from the same source, the London Times

http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2010/05/1987-smallpox-vaccine-caused-aids-2010.html

Larry -

Lamm was their lead lawyer in Washington. The contract was negotiated in Washington. It seems a reasonable presumption – and I label it a presumption.

So you think AMFAR’s association with Gulnara Karimova is fine? Care to explain why?

I am deleting your usual 9/11 references. You are obesessed with 9/11.

Larry -

Though I must say, the fact that you worked for Karimov’s lawyers and lobbyists – accepting you may not have worked on the Uzbekistan brief – says a great deal about your background and profession and just why you may be putting in so many hours to attacking this blog and trying falsely to link me to 9/11 conspiracy.

Uzbekistan,

says we should engage not confront. Well you have been engaged for the last 20 years. You don’t care about sufferings of people in that country, what you care is what counts to material source there. Why do you think they have kidnapped you? Why did they release you? And do you know there thousands of those ordinary muslims or opposition members kidnapped by Uzbek security people and have never been released. Even their relatives don’t know if they are alive or not. Karimov deserved a regime change not Saddam.

As usual on such postings I feel it only right to recall Craig’s proud and eloquent account of his own delicious encounter with the giggling Gulnara, funded by UK taxpayers’ money.

The corruption and hypocrisy of it all!

http://charlescrawford.biz/blog/NRWLCI691651

Larry from St Louis: You can’t expect depictions of Craig as an idiot to be taken seriously, because he has scaled heights that are too high, perhaps much higher than your own accomplishments. How many people have you even met who have had “Excellency” before their name?

I wonder what your own motives are. I’ll leave it to others to guess.

Charles,

That is a ridiculously mendacious bit of selective quotation because you leave out the balancing material immediately associated with it. It is like you quoted “A man may smile and smile yet still be a villain” just as “A man may smile and smile”.

Charles,

Using human nature in an attempt to break the integrity of a good man who has exposed torture and complicity in those fowl acts is, well, filthy.

Clinton’s flirting is… no more words are required here.

No Charles – your attempts at character destruction have failed and made you look, well, a bit stupid.

Larry,

When are you going to come clean and tell us you are paid to spend hours countering here? Get back to Sarah and Dan, tell them your cover has been blown by Mark Golding or I will!

Charles, your endless recycling of that part of Craig’s own writing is becoming tedious. Or is it just an echo reverberating around the empty comments sections on your blog?

You appear to take up positions just to disagree with Craig, but you haven’t commented on the substance of the post. Is Zeromax a front, or a legitimate business, in your view? What is your perspective on Lamm’s response to the FP article (page 3 from the same link)? Is Gulnara a torturer who cares not a jot for the Uzbek people, from whose toil she lives the high life, or is it more nuanced than that? Should the US be doing business with them at all? Why is Miliband (the evil of two lessers) so keen to bury British complicity with torture?

Charles Crawford – cyber stalker! It really is darkly amusing watching the way he repeatedly pops up on here, clearly uncontrollably jealous of the attention paid to his erstwhile colleague.

I can understand why: the last time I looked at his miserable “blogoir” (admittedly some time ago, but there is a limit to the amount of self-obsessed rambling to which a reader should be subject) he had disabled the function showing the number of comments because…there weren’t any!

How it must rankle with him that he’s addressing an empty room. I have to admit to feeling some pity for the man.

@Abe – I tend not to get too distracted by Larry, as he has repeatedly been unwilling to engage on a non-confrontational basis. But I am the eternal optimist, and I will engage with his debates if he suddenly becomes constructive.

I am sure Suhayl will forgive me for appropriating his question to Larry: are you on the bus, Larry? What would you talk about, on the bus, if we all were not hiding behind screens? Are you able to disagree amicably on the bus?

Let’s all get together and send Charles Crawford a nice card or something; see if we can’t cheer him up.

I’d suggest the same for Larry, but I doubt he’d reveal enough about himself for us to know where to send it.

Here Charles, this is for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk

‘We have never been and will never be at war with Islam’. Bugger. You’ve broken the lie detector. It’s a very delicate piece of equipment you know, and it’s not designed for full Presidential, superpower, public lies, only for petty criminals and local gangsters.

Next time please switch its control function button to FAILED STATE mode before Obama and Cameron deliver major speeches to the world.

Yes, this is how it works, I think. Great post, Craig, exposing the vicious blighters and their conduits with imperial war and oppression!

Thanks, Jon – definitely roll that bus on the road! Craig, Clark, Abe, well said, and in this spirit, here’s a ‘Blue Cheer’ groove for you all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbzn0GDeqhI&feature=related

“Get back to Sarah and Dan, tell them your cover has been blown by Mark Golding or I will!”

Mark, what on Earth are you wittering about right now?

Hello Craig!

This is a personal message to you. Sorry, I cannot refer to you like Sir, Mr, tovarisch or akajon … It is just not in my blood. I do believe that all people are equal and need no prefixes before their names.

Well, we never met before, but I read your articles or comments about situations concerning Uzbekistan carefully. I love my country and know how people live in any region of it. I traveled a lot within and outside of Uzbekistan. Got my education and also had a chance to work in the US and one of the EU countries. I’m one of those Umidies (presidential foundation, if you remember)… and now I’m jobless and struggling to make a living for few years. This “unemployment fortune” concerns not only me, but about 70% of young people of Uzbekistan (I got this estimate number while talking to makhalla leaders in private). I simply deny to work for this system of “womb to tomb level” corruption. I’m worried about my family members, thus I try to keep a low profile. However, when it comes to debate with higher level guys tet-a-tet, I hit them very badly.

I know that Zeromax has swindled nations’ money out of Uzbekistan and it lays comfortably in one of the Swiss banks. But, I’m specificly interested in two things, and would highly appreciate if you could enlight me about them:

1. Who is Ikromjon Yokubov, stated as group manager of Zeromax in the Zug canton registrar of companies? It is obvious that Mirodil Djalalov, CEO of the company is just a puppet. Is this Yokubov the one who asked for a political asylium from the UK in 2008? The press says that he used to be a secret service major. If so, then why is he helping Gulanara Karimova with her business?

2. Are there any proofs that Shirin Akiner, the UK citizen, got 1 million bucks from Islam Karimov to take care of his PR affairs and “positive image” in Europe? By some sources she consulted about 10 English speaking secret service people, and organized a study in England for 2 of them. First is Alyor Tilavev (who also worked as press-attache at the embassy of Uzbekistan in London in 2007), and the second is Ulugbek Khudaybergenov (nephew of Tursunkhan Khudayberdiev, ex state advisor of the president on law enforcement bodies’ coordination). Was the UK government aware of that, and if yes, then why did Shirin Akiner get “green light”?

P.S. – Can I get a digital version of your book? You know that it is impossible for me to get it the right way.

For those who didn’t catch it earlier, Edward Stourton reported from Kyrgystan and the wider region on radio 4 Today programme earlier.