Evidence of Organised Zionist Trolling?

by craig on June 4, 2010 8:20 pm in Palestine

Statcounter has been throwing up some very curious statistics in the last few days. A large number of individuals are coming to the site and staying on it for perhaps four or five hours, hopping exclusively between recent articles about the Gaza convoy. Strangely, all the users with that profile use Firefox not IE, and if they come via a search engine usually arrive on the site via a Yahoo search not a google search.

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Now this is from a significant sample – 500 – and the sample changes in real time, but Firefox has been ahead all the time for the last three days. I have never before seen Firefox even come close to overtake IE among readers of this blog in the five years it has been running – which makes sense if you consider IE has a three times larger market share.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=0&qpaf=-000%09101%09US%0D&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=136&sample=28

I don’t think I have seen yahoo overtake google before in terms of search engine used to find us either.

All of which leads me to think that for two days we have been targeted by a substantial group of people using standard issue software. We have also been under continual spam attack – there were over 10,000 items of apparently random spam removed yesterday.

99 Comments

  1. Suhayl Saadi

    4 Jun, 2010 - 8:43 pm

    Told you. Don’t worry, Craig. We will fight them on the beaches…

  2. amk

    4 Jun, 2010 - 8:43 pm

    GIYUS’ tool Megaphone has a Firefox plugin.

    http://giyus.org/

    Load it and see what it says? Depends how much you trust their software. Maybe use a VM.

  3. Larry from St. Louis

    4 Jun, 2010 - 8:48 pm

    “Told you. Don’t worry, Craig. We will fight them on the beaches…”

    So are you saying you’ll be strapping on your explosive vest on a beach?

  4. amk

    4 Jun, 2010 - 8:49 pm

    Actually the easiest safe way to test the Megaphone plugin is to boot to a Linux live CD (for example Puppy Linux) that includes Firefox and then load the plugin. A live CD won’t touch your HDD, so a malware plugin won’t persist and won’t have access to information on your HDD. Just don’t go accessing your bank with an untrusted plugin installed.

    http://puppylinux.org/

  5. Larry from St. Louis

    4 Jun, 2010 - 8:57 pm

    See now, this is why I come to this blog ?” for the entertainment.

    Weren’t you boasting earlier this year about all the traffic you received? Perhaps you enjoyed a spike this week because recent events have caused people to want to read your amazing anti-Jew insights; perhaps you have some new fans among the Alex Jones crowd.

    In any event, what exactly are the JOOOOOO trollers doing? Are they leaving comments here? Recently I’ve only noticed two other persons here who take exception to the insane, ridiculous and hateful claims made by you and your nutjob followers. Hardly a conspiracy, huh?

    I fully admit to spending lots of time here. It clears my head between my work. And I also find it important to resist your anti-Jew hatred and the 911 nuttery of 90% of your commenters. I actually take some pride in the fact that I spend time opposing sick fucks like you and your commenters.

  6. craig

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:02 pm

    larry,

    I think you need a break. Have a cup of tea and ten minutes rest.

  7. Anonymous

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:19 pm

    Yeah real nice Im sure you have the answer to the 9/11 questions raised by AE911 (Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth) oh so great enlightend one

  8. Zohan

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:19 pm

    Ironic that Larry spouts off in a thread entitled “Evidence of Trolling”. It seems to be a just a hobby for him, all done for the thrill of upsetting people.

    How amusing … Larry calling Craig a “sick fuck” … kinda like a raven calling a dove a filthy black bastard.

  9. Monty

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:20 pm

    Well, I’m a Google man and clicking on your Statcounter download just produced a long page of HTML when viewed in Chrome.

    All is revealed in glorious colour bar charts when using IE.

    I had no idea that IE was still so dominant in the browser market. I just got fed up with IE crashing every fortnight.

    The above statcounter hiccup notwithstanding, Chrome is head and shoulders more reliable and better than IE, IMHO. I have 80 tabs open right now, some for more than a week.

    Shocking amount of spam, impressively dealt with.

    What are your unique visitor stats over the last few days? I would admit it has been a while since my last visit.

  10. Anonymous

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:25 pm

    Sorry craig a bit of the wall, but here goes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX09WnGU6ZY

  11. Larry from St. Louis

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:25 pm

    “Yeah real nice Im sure you have the answer to the 9/11 questions raised by AE911 (Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth) oh so great enlightend one”

    Every single “question” has been answered.

  12. alexno

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:27 pm

    “It clears my head between my work.”

    I thought it was your work, Loony. If you have another job, better watch out for it, ‘cos you don’t spend much time at it.

  13. amk

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:30 pm

    I took my own suggestion and tried the GIYUS plugin within Puppy. It shows only the alerts on its Web page which you can see here:

    http://ws.giyus.org/points/list

    None of which are Craig.

  14. Larry from St. Louis

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:30 pm

    “I thought it was your work, Loony”

    Let’s count that as another one with narcissistic personality disorder who thinks he’s so important that he must be followed.

  15. Suhayl Saadi

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:32 pm

    Israel murders humanitarian activists in international waters is the subject of all of these threads. And, underlying it, the gross and ongoing crimes against humanity being committed on a daily basis by Israel. State terrorism at its most obvious. No surfeit of automaton Uber-Zionist letter-writers, with their hot aired mendacity, will shift the very clear perception the world has of this basic political rubric.

  16. amk

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:36 pm

    “Well, I’m a Google man and clicking on your Statcounter download just produced a long page of HTML when viewed in Chrome.”

    Well, the first line of Craig’s file is:

    From: “Saved by Windows Internet Explorer 8″

    I switched from Firefox to Chrome myself recently. It’s much faster and now appears more stable (early betas were less stable).

  17. Leo

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:36 pm

    Larry, why can’t you stop trolling about 9/11 and Jews? You’re often (not always but often) the only person bringing them up in threads, yet you keep going on about how other people are obsessed with them. You’re the one who is obsessed and/or disingenuously trying to derail every thread.

    There hasn’t been anything anit-Jew in Craig’s posts that I’ve noticed. If there was I doubt I’d still be reading his site.

    (NEWSFLASH: Zionists are not the same as Jews. If you still haven’t grasped that then you’re as thick as an anti-Semite.)

    If your complaint isn’t about Craig but about what other commenters write then I find that odd as advocating the removal of stupid comments would have virtually every single thing you’ve ever written deleted.

  18. Larry from St. Louis

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:37 pm

    Isn’t it funny how Jew baiters always have to attach themselves to other conspiracies? It’s probably ancillary symptom of the disease of anti-Semitism.

  19. Jon

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:41 pm

    Hmm. Regarding “everyone here” as 9/11 theorists and anti-semites is much like calling all Americans stupid. In each case it is either plain untrue or a crass generalisation. Have we seen anti-semitic comment here? Yes, from a minority of people. Does that mean everyone who posts here is an anti-semite? No, it does not.

    More to the point, if people coming here really want to convert people to supporting the state of Israel, shouting and being abusive is not the way to go about it. It’s rarely a good way to persuade anyone of the merits of anything, in fact.

  20. Duncan McFarlane

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:43 pm

    Larry wrote “So are you saying you’ll be strapping on your explosive vest on a beach?”

    I’ve seen you post this same question to any poster with a Muslim sounding name repeatedly Larry, if they criticise the British, American or Israeli governments or thei actions in any way.

    If you think that’s a reasonable conclusion to take from anyone with a Muslim sounding name, or who’s a Muslim, criticising one of these governments, that they’re a potential terrorist then you either have no ability to reason whatsoever (i.e are not too bright), or else you’re a prejudiced bigot as bad as the worst anti-semite, or some combination of the two.

    It would be, for instance, like me taking any of your posts supporting the British, American or Israeli governments and asking, for instance:

    “Are you about to get your sniper rifle and shoot some Palestinian kids in the head as they walk home from school Larry?”

    “Are you about to get some of your pals to kidnap random people and work in shifts beating and kicking them over days and nights till some of them die? Larry?”

    “Are you about to make up lies about a terrorist organisation operating in a country it isn’t actually in, then organise an invasion that gets hundreds of thousands of civilians and thousands of our own troops killed for nothing Larry?”

    Well which of the above are you about to do Larry? Or would you prefer not to be such a pointless bigot in future so i don’t have to ask you these kinds of questions every time you post? – in which case drop the stupid bigotry

  21. Ishmael

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:43 pm

    They, The current occupants of Palestine have many groups ready to swing into action with mis information. I was going to post the most recent email from the ADL for your entertainment, unfortunately I killed it by mistake.

  22. Larry from St. Louis

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:49 pm

    “If you think that’s a reasonable conclusion to take from anyone with a Muslim sounding name, or who’s a Muslim, criticising one of these governments, that they’re a potential terrorist”

    NO, asshole, I’m now calling Suhayl a terrorist only because he repeatedly called me a paid-for secret agent man. He was claiming from the get-go that I was a Jew spy.

    I’m perfectly willing to believe that someone from a country where Islam is the main religion might very well be a non-believer. But it took me just a few moments of reading about Suhayl to find out that he’s a Muslim.

    I’ve also called him a failed doctor, so you know.

  23. Duncan McFarlane

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:52 pm

    Larry wrote “Can anyone spot the meaningful difference between the following two phrases?

    1. The Jews want the blood of your children on their faces.

    2. The Zionists want the blood of your children on their faces.

    (Hint: trick question)”

    Yes. Anyone with a dictionary can. A Jew is someone of the Jewish religion.

    A Zionist is someone who (at minimum) believes the state of Israel has a right to exist (which is fair enough in my opinion, but something entirely different from being a Jew).

    If that was all being a Zionist meant i would have no problem with Zionists in general.

    However anyone with any knowledge of the history of the Middle East and current affairs also knows though that most people who say they are Zionists go far beyond believing Israel has a right to exist and into believing in a “greater Israel” encompassing all the land Israel was assigned by the UN, all that it’s annexed since and the whole of the West Bank, Gaza, southern Lebanon up to the Litani river and parts of Iraq (see e.g Israeli historian Benny Morris’ book ‘Righteous Victims’ and Avi Shlaim’s ‘The Iron Wall’ – and the 2009 election platform of the Likud party – the largest party in the current Israeli government)

    Most Zionists also believe that anything done by the Israeli government or military is justified and morally right, whatever it is – whether it’s torture, murder, war crimes, forcing people off their land at gunpoint and demolishing their houses, shooting children in the head for throwing stones, or shooting children in the head for no reason at all.

    So most people who say they are Zionists are no better than the worst and most extreme Palestinian terrorists.

  24. Suhayl Saadi

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:56 pm

    Thanks, Duncan. Good on you for saying this.

    And as anyone who knows me or my work knows, I’m as far from the stereotype painted by the aggressive Uber-Zionist bloggers as anyone can imagine and am completely opposed to religious extremism of any kind.

    In fact, as it happens, I have a great interest in Sephardic culture and have penned long pieces of fiction exploring such themes and people. I also have a large number of wonderful Jewish colleagues, mentors, advocates and pals, some of whom have lived in Israel/ on kibbutzes, etc. It’s hilariously amusing for anyone to pretend otherwise and is a reflection of their ongoing and very profound ignorance. I think it important that this is made clear by me here (again). On one hand, it ought not to be necessary, but I think that it is required.

    So, it is important that the comedic yet disingenuous Uber-Zionists be countered and ignored in equal measure and that the discourse constantly be returned to the central themes: mass murder by Israel in international waters; the illegal occupation of Palestinian lands; multiple illegal wars of aggression by Israel; and the inhuman treatment being dished-out by Israel to Palestinians on a daily basis for decades.

    Much appreciated.

    Regards, Suhayl.

  25. Duncan McFarlane

    4 Jun, 2010 - 9:58 pm

    p.s I agree that most Zionists do not want the blood of anyones’ children on their faces though.

    They’re mostly just totally unconcerned with who many Palestinians live in hunger and fear, or are killed, or forced to live as refugees, or are shot in the head by snipers, or slowly starved to death, or bombed, or buried alive in their houses by tanks fitted with bulldozer blades, or shot as families as they walk along the street carrying white flags, or killed by missiles, bombs and tank fire.

  26. arsalan

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:02 pm

    Craig how long did it take you to work out that their were Zionist trols here?

  27. Suhayl Saadi

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:03 pm

    Arsalan, he’s quantified it now, that’s the thing. He has evidence.

  28. anno

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:13 pm

    Larry and Mark Regev have one thing in common. They both seem to be observers of completely different events to the rest of the world. What the world sees as murderous piracy, they see as self-defence. What the world sees as a curious piece of evidence, that Jewish people did not go to work at the twin towers on 9.11.2001, they see as an irrelevance. What the world sees as an aggressive, unstable, armed state in the Middle East, Israel, they see as the front line of the West’s War on Islam.

    Their conclusion in all cases is that the means justifies the ends in the battle against Islam, and that the whole of the West, its politicians, its peoples and its protestors, will eventually come round to the obvious necessity of curtailing or destroying Islam. Well, sorry, Mark and Larry, the things that are obvious to fanatical racist Zionists are not always obvious to the rest of us.

  29. Mr M

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:16 pm

    lol, thanks for making me happy. I normally use FireFox but knew what was going on, so changed it to IE hoping to assist anyone willing to investigate suspicious activities.

    You can’t blame them cos they are paid $$$. They are not aliens, just the average Ben attending a university near you with a contract for extra curricular activities.

  30. Jon

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:17 pm

    Duncan, Suhayl et al – Larry’s aggression and abuse, has, I think, stepped up a mark or two recently. In a difficult spot, perhaps? I am in favour of limited time spent patiently asking people to make discourse civil, but don’t let it sap too much of your time.

    Now, who’s going to London tomorrow? :-)

  31. Stan

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:23 pm

    I wouldn’t bother feeding the sad troll on here. Although you have given perfectly reasonable answers to his childish taunts, he doesn’t engage with any discussion. He’s just here to bait. Don’t waste your time rising to it, that’s what gives him his little kicks.

  32. Anonymous

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:24 pm

    The suggestion re ‘explosive vests on beaches’ is intriguing. Did Churchill really regard this as a useful tactic, Larry ?

  33. Larry from St. Louis

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:24 pm

    “What the world sees as a curious piece of evidence, that Jewish people did not go to work at the twin towers on 9.11.2001, they see as an irrelevance.”

    Well, anno, I thought you weren’t a truther – I thought you were quite proud of that act of Muslim terrorism. So now you’re telling me that the Jews it.

    I’ve revised my estimate. Now it’s more appropriate to suggest that 95% of the commenters here are 911 nuts.

    Heh – Suhayl – do you believe that all the Jews skipped work that day?

  34. alan campbell

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:28 pm

  35. Suhayl Saadi

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:28 pm

    Israel-mass murder-in-international-waters-crushing-to-death-of-young-woman-using-a-bulldozer-twice-over-her-abdomen-and-chest-illegal-occupation-denial-of-human-rights-aggressive-wars-nuclear-weapons (WMD).

  36. Jon

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:36 pm

    And… deep breath :-)

    Who’s for a nice cup of tea? I have some lemon and ginger tea, Twinings I think, and it is very good. Refreshing, and clears the head.

  37. glenn

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:37 pm

    Craig – it would be jolly useful if you would produce a sample page of IPs against posters’ names. We could knock up a cross-reference list very easily, seeing (for example) how many other aliases St. Loony had used. We could see where these posters are coming from.

    The whole business speaks for itself, though. If Israel had been even slightly justified in what they were doing, why would they need an army of belligerent new posters rushing to make every last justification they could think of?

    Talk about trying to distract from the point! Whenever you see multiple posts doing _anything_ except talking about the subject of the thread, we have a clear indication that the game is up, and they are scared about the truth being aired.

  38. Dave

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:38 pm

    Oh man, I’m been caught. I use Firefox, and just started visiting these pages a few days ago. But I didn’t think I’d been here that many times. Sorry about that.

    Can’t blame me for the spam though.

    Seriously though, I found this site from a link on another site, as a place that was explaining the (il)legality of the boarding, and Craig’s summation of it really cleared it up for me.

    So even though I’m currently involved in fighting the Trolls from Tel Aviv on many other sites, I’ll sign on here to tell Larry what a hack he is. Must be pretty frustrating to have the old stand-by propaganda go limp on you. Well, try harder, It might come up.

    Lastly, I’ll say how proud I am that two of my four grandparents were from Ireland. What an example that country is for us here, in the supposed “land of the free, home of the brave.”

    Great site, Craig.

  39. alan campbell

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:43 pm

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  40. Anonymous

    4 Jun, 2010 - 10:53 pm

    I’ll say it twice as it is such distressing news.

    —————————————-

    Shot in the head at close range

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-activists-autopsy-results

    Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range

    Exclusive: Nine Turkish men on board Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times, autopsy results reveal

    —————————————-

    Shot in the head at close range

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-activists-autopsy-results

    Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range

    Exclusive: Nine Turkish men on board Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times, autopsy results reveal

  41. Anonymous

    4 Jun, 2010 - 11:02 pm

    The suggestion re ‘explosive vests on beaches’ is intriguing. Did Churchill really regard this as a useful tactic, Larry ?

  42. amk

    4 Jun, 2010 - 11:02 pm

    “produce a sample page of IPs against posters’ names”

    I do NOT want my IP published, thanks.

    It is a potential security risk.

  43. Dave

    4 Jun, 2010 - 11:03 pm

    Yes, shot at close range. I believe it was the American-Turk who was shot four times in the head. I guess he was such a threat to them after being shot once or twice in the head, that it was necessary to shoot him a couple more times.

  44. arsalan

    4 Jun, 2010 - 11:20 pm

    Larry, I don’t think Jews did 911, and that is because I do not regard Zionists as Jews.

    They are all a bunch of pork munching atheists.

    True Jews are AntiZionists.

  45. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    4 Jun, 2010 - 11:22 pm

    Good point Glenn – the IP addresses and referring links (if any) would be eh – interesting – esp. international IP’s which of course can be related to the service provider. Even a dynamic IP can be traced back to origin with a date/time stamp.

  46. Abe Rene

    4 Jun, 2010 - 11:37 pm

    I wonder why Zionists should find this website threatening at all. If I were a Zionist, I would simply ignore it. Mossad might of course take notes of any sympathy to Israel’s enemies, but why waste time posting nonsense? In any case, I don’t see how even good Zionists could rationally defend the blockade against Gaza. Israel will never find long-term stability and peace by making the lives of Palestinians more difficult. The only way for Israel to have long term security will be by seeking harmony with its Arab neighbours, most immediately the Palestinians. That means the blockade against Gaza must be lifted.

  47. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    4 Jun, 2010 - 11:41 pm

    Your welcome Dave.

    “Go mbeannai Dia duit”

  48. Duncan McFarlane

    4 Jun, 2010 - 11:46 pm

    While i would like to catch and embarass the Hasbarat if any are involved here, the down side to publishing everyone’s IP address is that you would risk revealing posters living under authoritarian governments – like people posting from Uzbekistan or Egypt or China for instance, who have criticised their own governments, might well be put at risk, so overall i think it’s probably not a good idea.

  49. doug scorgie

    4 Jun, 2010 - 11:57 pm

    Duncan McFarlane, you have raised some good points but can I correct you on the following:

    “A Zionist is someone who (at minimum) believes the state of Israel has a right to exist (which is fair enough in my opinion, but something entirely different from being a Jew).”

    A Zionist is someone who believes in a Jewish state called Israel. It is well documented that Israel was created through illegality and terrorism, so there are those that deny its right to exist in the first place; and they, I suggest, have a reasonable argument. However, Zionists (Jewish and Christian) when defining themselves generally, say: we support the state of Israel and its right to exist, which sounds quite fair-minded. They leave out the Jewish part. A Jewish state, by definition, is a state run by Jews for the benefit of Jews. Non-Jews, again by definition, have to be second class citizens. Also; many Zionists, and we have plenty in the UK Parliament, pretend that Israel is a democracy but it is, in reality, only a democracy for Jews. At the moment in Israel, there is absolutely no possibility of an Israeli-Arab party forming a government. However, they, the Zionists, have a demographic “time-bomb” on their hands – with the Arab-Israelis breeding faster than the Jews. So ethnic cleansing (what a horrible phrase that is) of the Arab population is a necessity for a Jewish state to remain Jewish. So I do not believe that Israel has a right to exist (as a Jewish state).

  50. amk

    4 Jun, 2010 - 11:58 pm

    arsalan:

    “They are all a bunch of pork munching atheists.”

    Read the fucking Book of Joshua already. How did the ancient Israelites establish Israel? Divinely ordered and aided genocide.

    It’s bullshit of course. There is no archaeological evidence of anything from the Exodus from Egypt to the kingdom of Solomon and David. Events of that scale would have left a ton of evidence.

    You better be grateful that Israel’s leadership is mostly secular. The religious Zionists are far worse.

    “True Jews are AntiZionists.”

    This is a No True Scotsman fallacy.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman

    You appear to be using “atheist” as an insult. Fuck you too.

  51. Parky

    5 Jun, 2010 - 12:10 am

    I think we have more of an insight into the circumstances and predicament of Larry the Loon. When he is having a turn for the worse his doctors increase his medication for a time and he is zonked out of it, explaining his absence. When the drugs start to wear off and he is allowed internet access once more, his anger and frustration come to the fore but are more intense until it’s out of his system. Part of his ongoing therapy is the use of the web to gain a sense of the outside world and hopefully one day become part of it again. In the meantime sadly we have to bear the brunt of his outbursts. One day though his release will come through and he will be with us. Get well Larry, you are always in our hearts.

  52. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    5 Jun, 2010 - 12:31 am

    Remember Duncan an IP address is assigned to a computer and is usually dynamic and re-allocated. ISP’s can only reveal personally identifiable information with a court order. If the IP address is static then it is similar to a telephone number or a domain name and *owned* by a person or entity but the same disclosure rules apply (in theory) unless of course you allow public disclosure.

  53. Anonymous

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:10 am

    If the suggestion really is that this site is under attack, it would be worth noting that a list of IP addresses for the posters here would enable anybody browsing the site to launch similar attacks on those posters. DOS, etc. At the moment it doesn’t even publish email addresses for us – IP octets woud be more intrusive. Yes, there are things that could be learnt from an analysis of them, but I reckon it should be left as it is now, privileged info.

  54. arsalan

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:15 am

    amk: “You appear to be using “atheist” as an insult. Fuck you too.”

    I meant it as a statement of fact not an insult. Eat as much pork as you like, I don’t give a shit.

    The founder of Zionism was Theodor hertzel, he was an open athiest.

    This is not an insult and it is not a complement. it is a statement of fact.

    Zionist are people who follow him.

    Both he and them decided to do what they do because of their beliefs in their racial superiority and the inferiority of all others.

    So they are not Jews, they are just racial supremacists and racists.

    Yes there are people who believe in judaism who would do worse if they had the chance. but that is not relivant because they are not the ones doing the killing. the ones doing the killing have no belief in any religion including judaism.

  55. sandcrab

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:17 am

    Shouldn’t publish IPs on a blog without prior warning, its a web privacy principle, people have gotten in trouble posting from work etc. The blogsphere would look on it very badly.

    http://www.economist.com/node/16264970

    Gaza blockade – Selected List of permitted and prohibited goods

    Various Prohibited:

    Coriander, ginger, nutmeg

    Canned fruit, dried fruit

    Fresh meat

    Seeds and Nuts

    Fishing rods, ropes for fishing

    Fabric for clothing

    Chicken hatcheries, chickens

    Donkeys, horses, goats, cattle

    Musical instruments

    Newspapers

    Wood for construction

    http://twitter.com/freegazaorg/statuses/15441987924

    “Ninety miles from Gaza. Rachel Corrie should be there by 10:00 am.” (5th June)

    BBC newscast reports (without irony) – “Rachel Corrie is approaching Gaza… presenting Israel with another difficult choice… spokesperson says they will not be allowed to land.. but boarding forces have been instructed to be polite”

    be polite! aye -promise not to shoot another dozen cheeky activists in the face this time? unfucking-believable!

    How can people not condemn this? I have friends who dont see through the media bullshit – its disturbing.

    * Respect to you all

  56. Neil Barker

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:21 am

    Organised Zionist trolling? Get a grip, Craig.

    Is a poor man who asks a rich man for a free copy of the rich man’s book an organised Zionist troll?

  57. amk

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:24 am

    “the ones doing the killing have no belief in any religion including judaism.”

    During the Gaza offensive extremist Rabbis circulated literature to IDF troops. The below link refers to a Rabbi with the rank of Brigadier-General.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/army-rabbi-gave-out-hate-leaflet-to-troops-1516805.html

  58. Ruth

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:34 am

    In my view Israel is a serious threat to the security of the world. How can a country be left in possession of nuclear weapons when it steps beyond the boundaries of humanity?

  59. amk

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:41 am

    “Organised Zionist trolling? Get a grip, Craig.”

    Hardly implausible. All it would take is a link from a large Zionist blog to here.

    Craig should be able to see the HTTP referers in the log though.

  60. arsalan

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:42 am

    The Rabbis give those justifications to people who have no belief in God.

    The religious ones in Israel do not do millitry service or even pay taxes, they just take money from the Zionist government, trying to milk it for everything it has got the same way Israel milks America for everything it has got.

  61. Duncan McFarlane

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:59 am

    I don’t think that’s entirely true Arsalan.

    The Ultra-Orthodox Jews certainly refuse to do military service and say that Israel should not exist as the requirements for the state of Israel to be reconstituted are ones not yet met by their interpretation of the Torah or Talmud.

    However there are a lot of Israelis who are Jewish fundamentalists and extreme in both their religion and their politics who aren’t Ultra-Orthodox and do serve in the military – and the proportion of religious fundamentalist Israelis to secular/agnostic/

    I do agree with you though that many Israelis who are extreme nationalist Zionists in their politics are atheists, agnostics, or not religious though – although the proportion of secular Israelis is falling.

  62. amk

    5 Jun, 2010 - 2:01 am

    “The religious ones in Israel do not do millitry service”

    Some Orthodox Jews do not do military service. They are not the only practising Jews in Israel.

    Israel has conscription. Everyone else gets to serve.

  63. amk

    5 Jun, 2010 - 2:08 am

    “The Ultra-Orthodox Jews certainly refuse to do military service and say that Israel should not exist as the requirements for the state of Israel to be reconstituted are ones not yet met”

    That is true of some Ultra-Orthodox sects. Others disagree, and some sects that do not oppose Zionism are also exempt from military service.

    Like most religions Judaism is diverse and complex.

  64. glenn

    5 Jun, 2010 - 2:09 am

    Sandcrab: You’re obviously not taking into account the devil-like fiendishness of the Arab. Don’t forget “dual-use” considerations, which stopped Iraq receiving even a vacuum flask under the Sanctions. (Flasks could be used to hatch deadly bio-warfare agents!). I’m sure any right-minded person would agree that your list contains the most deadly dual-use weapon parts. Let’s look at it:

    Various Prohibited:

    Coriander, ginger, nutmeg

    - Could be used in a poisoned meal attack. Anyway, a terrorist might eat a meal from this and then carry out an attack.

    Canned fruit, dried fruit

    Fresh meat

    Seeds and Nuts

    - All as above. Note that the protean from some of these foods would give a terrorist strength, which would allow all the more ferocious an attack.

    Fishing rods, ropes for fishing

    - Rods could be used to beat someone! Ropes could be used to string someone up!

    Fabric for clothing

    - A terrorist might wear these clothes while carrying out an attack.

    Chicken hatcheries, chickens

    - Terrorists might hide in the chicken hatcheries, and leap out disguised by a chicken outfit.

    Donkeys, horses, goats, cattle

    - Any of these creature could be used in the transportation of terrorists and their weapons.

    Musical instruments

    - These might lull an Israeli guard into failing to see an on-coming terrorist attack. After all, Israeli guards like to force Palestinians to perform for them, should they see such an instrument.

    Newspapers

    - Terrorists might have written propaganda in the newspaper.

    Wood for construction

    - They might construct a catapult with which to carry out terrorist atrocities!

    —-

    I hope you realise just how naive you have been, and henceforth look with a more critical eye at supposedly innocent items.

  65. Silverfish

    5 Jun, 2010 - 2:50 am

    I think that maybe Larry is a Hollowco$t survivor selling bars of Jewish soap as a sideline to his regular day job of bagging pork rinds.

  66. Larry from St Louis

    5 Jun, 2010 - 3:18 am

    dreoilin, shut up you dishonest pretend-fence-sitting cunt.

  67. Clark

    5 Jun, 2010 - 3:21 am

    It was me that posted the duplicate of Larry’s comment, originally on the 9/11 thread at March 1, 2010 8:15 PM. I did not wish to post it in a comment of mine.

  68. Dave

    5 Jun, 2010 - 3:37 am

    To Mark Golding–Thanks for the blessing. And to you as well.

  69. glenn

    5 Jun, 2010 - 3:38 am

    That’s not the first time St. Loony has called a female poster the C-word. That’s a pretty strong term for referring to a lady. I’d say anyone who does that is a sad, weak nobody crying out for attention, or a bitter and twisted whack-job, just itching to go postal, if only they were not such a snivelling coward.

    *

    St. Loony – get help, pal, seriously. You’ve got a lot worse since you began your unwelcome presence here, and clearly you needed considerable help back then. Whatever assignment you’re on, it’s made you paranoid, bitter, racist, misogynistic and even more stupid – boosting your strongest underlying traits.

    *

    True to my word, I promised to address you directly once a month. This is your June shot. Don’t say I never give you anything ;)

  70. CheebaCow

    5 Jun, 2010 - 3:39 am

    Revealing IP’s is a terrible idea, as others have pointed out it could have serious repercussions for those posting from work or an authoritarian state. Although I would suggest that posting from work is a bad idea to begin with.

    I love Firefox (it’s the only browser that actually blocks ads from being downloaded, unlike Chrome which only hides them). However if you want to use Chrome, I recommend using SRWare Iron (www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php), it uses the Chrome source code but strips out the data mining functions.

    *cough* setup a mod system *cough*

  71. Clark

    5 Jun, 2010 - 3:53 am

    For anyone that doesn’t have Invasive Exploiter, sorry I mean Internet Explorer, here is a graphic of the file Craig linked to:

    http://www.killick1.plus.com/browsers.jpg

  72. browsers

    5 Jun, 2010 - 3:55 am

    Clickable link below. Clark.

  73. Clark

    5 Jun, 2010 - 4:12 am

    Yes, the big increase seems to be a single version of Firefox, version 3.6. It could also be automated software, robots or crawlers for instance, claiming to be Firefox 3.6.

    I remind various people that it was not Craig who suggested publishing IP addresses; I expect that he understands the privacy implications.

    However, a geographical analysis of IP addresses by browser type could prove interesting; I wonder if a lot of these accesses could be coming from a particular locality or from particular proxy addresses. Also, time spent on site could be revealing. Various length visits would indicate people, whereas very short visits of mostly similar times would indicate web crawler software.

    I think that Larry may be trying to make certain regular posters leave the site. He chooses a person to abuse, and picks on them for a while. I deplore his mistreatment of Suhayl Saadi, whom I respect.

  74. Clark

    5 Jun, 2010 - 4:21 am

    CheebaCow,

    thanks. I suspected Chrome was up to something like that, because it comes from Google, data miners extrodinaire.

    Craig,

    I thought you were a Firefox user. You’re a great proponent of Free Speech, so you should use Free Software! Besides, IE has a bad reputation for security.

  75. Larry from St. Louis

    5 Jun, 2010 - 6:06 am

    What a delusional world you people live in.

    95% of the commenters here are 911 truth nuts. This is what we can expect from vicious hateful anti-Semites.

  76. Fulano

    5 Jun, 2010 - 6:28 am

    Loser Larry: If this is an anti-semitic website, then why are you allowed to post? Why does no one bother to censor you? Or is it because your razor-sharp “arguments” strike fear in no one?

  77. Anonymous

    5 Jun, 2010 - 6:49 am

  78. Suhayl Saadi

    5 Jun, 2010 - 7:34 am

    Alan Campbell, I am very interested in the documentary on Neda, the Iranian girl who was gunned-down during the protests in Tehran last year. Thank you for providing the information on that. As I have stated many times, I have no sympathy with the brutal regime in Iran. I also have many Iranian friends, both inside and outside Iran.

    Perhaps now someone will also make a documentary on the American lad who had his face blown away by Israeli soldiers this week – do we know his name yet? Why aren’t he and his face all over ‘Twitter’ and the TV networks? Why aren’t the US networks up in arms about this? A US citizen had his face blown away by Israel, and it seems there’s no MSM outrage in the USA. Stunning. Shameful.

    Here’s something from the UK, though. Perhaps the Israeli… ‘soldiers’ (I hesitate to call them that; the real terms ought to be… ‘mass murderers’ or ‘terrorists’) took their cue from our very own Metropolitan Police, who one day in Stockwell Tube, shot a Brazilian electrician seven times in the head, just to make sure he was well and truly dead.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/7804864/Gaza-flotilla-attack-activists-shot-repeatedly-at-close-range.html

  79. Suhayl Saadi

    5 Jun, 2010 - 8:24 am

    Thank you, Clark, I’m very grateful to you. You can be fully assured that the nonsense one finds in some posts will have no effect whatsoever on my cyber-presence. I see it really as a sign of the vacuity of their argumentation. With every insult, they simply dig ever-deeper holes for themselves and render themselves unintentionally comedic.

  80. Larry from St. Louis

    5 Jun, 2010 - 8:38 am

    Suhayl, you don’t think it’s comical that you think I’m a secret agent Joooo?

  81. Suhayl Saadi

    5 Jun, 2010 - 8:48 am

    Israel has committed mass murder on the high seas. An international crime. The Big Lie no longer works.

  82. Anonymous

    5 Jun, 2010 - 8:50 am

  83. mrjohn

    5 Jun, 2010 - 9:55 am

    First, don’t feed the trolls

    Second, I guess the increase in traffic is a combination of individuals, activists, organised groups and a part time job for new recruits.

    Look at it this way, they are going to a great deal of effort, all of which is wasted.

  84. Vronsky

    5 Jun, 2010 - 9:58 am

  85. Craig

    5 Jun, 2010 - 10:00 am

    mrjohn

    Yes. Maybe I should reconsider my veto on advertising. Then I could make money from the trolls!

  86. Ruth

    5 Jun, 2010 - 10:06 am

    ‘Israel has committed mass murder on the high seas. An international crime. The Big Lie no longer works.’

    Absolutely. Israel must be immediately stripped of nuclear weapons. It’s an unpredictable, an aggressive and a terrorist state bent on destruction.

  87. Larry's Dad

    5 Jun, 2010 - 10:18 am

    Larry? Dont you know its well past yore bedtime? Gonna paddle yer behind, sonny!

  88. suraci

    5 Jun, 2010 - 11:39 am

    I know you haven’t the time Craig, but you need to get someone blocking the obvious spam messages. Dissent is fine of course, but the obvious vermin like Larry etc need to be fitlered out. These agents of Zion infest the internet and they try to sway the opinion of decent neutral readers who visit sites like this one.

  89. Anonymous

    5 Jun, 2010 - 12:16 pm

    If the Israelis let cement in, water purifiers so that anaemia in children is reduced after the posionong of the locval supply, and stopped banning dangerous items like canned fruit and fresh meat, then things would improve.

    The aim is for hardship, you vote for your democratic choice and we starve you. others may call it terorism. It is certainly the actions of sadistic fiends.

    I read in astonishment on ABC TV in Oz that Israel limits food into Gaza so that calorie limits are lessened. As government policy. Israel called it using “levers”.

    I seem to remember that was the approach 70 years ago in camps in Germany, how little these fools have learned.

    I think Israel as an entity has a right to exist, but no wonder they are hated, and not just by arab extemists.

    If they did not have the (nuclear?) weaponry supplied from the States supplied after strong Isreali lobbying then they would be wiped off the face off the earth.

    A sad outcome, but one positive would be that there would be a lot less wars in the middle east in future.

  90. Mae

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:26 pm

    Glenn -

    “Canned fruit, dried fruit

    Fresh meat

    Seeds and Nuts

    - All as above. Note that the protean from some of these foods would give a terrorist strength, which would allow all the more ferocious an attack.”

    You are not looking hard enough for the reasons. Here’s a much more sinister theory: anemia, esp iron deficiency anemia in infants and small children can lead to neurological damage, specifically slow social development, low educational performance, stunted growth, decreased libido and permanently lowered numbers of dopamine receptors and serotonin levels. For some reason, if small children are anemic early enough even iron therapy cannot alleviate the symptoms. I’ll leave it to you to imagine the longterm outcome given that almost half of all Gazan children under five are now said to be suffering from anemia with many babies born anemic, having inherited the condition from their malnourished mothers.

    Re Larry – I’m a fairly regular reader, haven’t commented much until now, but I am familiar with Larry’s comments. They got boring very quickly, so I started just scanning not reading them, but once I read too many 9/11 accusations and the unwarranted swearing at other commenters I started scrolling through them. He is way too obvious and too clumsy to be a truly effective troll.

  91. Arsalan

    5 Jun, 2010 - 1:35 pm

    Duncan McFarlane and Amk The religious Zionists with rare exception are people who call on others to fight their wars and pay taxes for their benefits.

    you are right, their numbers are growing, and this has caused problems for the Zionist regimes. So they invented the knitted cap sect, religious zionists whose men do a little bit of millitry service here and there.

    but they are a tiny minority.

    Religious Zionists are a funny lot, on the one hand they reject the state due to its contradiction with their texts, on the other hand they support it due to the benefits they milk from it.

    A very funny lot.

  92. Dave

    5 Jun, 2010 - 2:27 pm

    I’m new to this site, so I can’t say I’m familiar with it’s troll history, but in general I think trolls serve a useful purpose. They demonstrate how empty is the opposition. I have followed the plight of the Palestinians for perhaps 15 years, but in the beginning, when there was little/no Internet, I worried that there were perhaps good counter-arguments Israelis could make that I was unaware of.

    But once these issues began to be debated online, the trolls did their best to make counter-arguments, and failed. The trolls proved to me that their arguments were empty, and often ridiculous, and so reassured me I was on the right side.

    So I would not discourage the trolls like Larry. Let them waste as much time here as they like. They’re not going to change the mind of anyone with a full brain, whereas those who come to this site undecided about the issues, will see how nasty and ridiculous they are. Either way, we win.

  93. Larry's Mom

    5 Jun, 2010 - 3:08 pm

    Larry is not a troll, he is just a naughty boy!

  94. Larry from St Looney

    5 Jun, 2010 - 4:46 pm

    Israel is just a poor wee mite trying to protect itself from all the bad people out there.

    If we appear paranoid, psychotic and psycho it’s just because everyone hates us.

    And we didn’t do anything to deserve such hatred.

    We’re the most oppressed people ever.

    We’re good and everyone else is bad.

    And if you don’t agree with us we’ll kill you.

  95. Larry's Mom

    5 Jun, 2010 - 8:41 pm

    We wont just kill you, we will kill you and shout Antisemitism!!!!!

  96. RealityZone

    5 Jun, 2010 - 9:49 pm

    Here is where they are coming from. I am sure that these [volunteers] never left. They attacked me during the Gulag Gaza attack.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-recruits-army-of-bloggers-to-combat-anti-zionist-web-sites-1.268393

  97. lwtc247

    6 Jun, 2010 - 9:46 am

    Its a conspiracy theory Craig (until it happens to you of course!)

  98. Suhayl Saadi

    7 Jun, 2010 - 4:09 pm

    Marcus, those people were cocaine traffickers. Cocaine-trafficking is part of global organised crime.

    The charitable Gaza flotilla was carrying children’s toys, books, cement in an attempt to help people under blokade.

    Come on, man. Yours is a very poor analogy. This kind of thing really does emphasise that there are no arguments left on behalf of Israeli state terror.

  99. Syd Walker

    8 Jun, 2010 - 3:31 am

    Firefox is my preferred browser Craig. And I ain’t no Zionist.

    Maybe Zionists can be right about something occasionally – like the stuck clock twice a day?

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