sorry to hear about such unsettling expereince crag. May be it was simply a prank .Real sinister people do not work like that.

The channels by which an unknown caller could possibly have got your wife’s number would appear to be the most immediate clue. Do you have no idea at all how they could have done so?

What language was the second man whispering in, or was it inaudible? If English, does that not suggest the possibility the accent could be fake?

I think there’s a facility for mobile phone providers to note nuisance calls. Even if the number was withheld to the final destination, it may be available to them. They won’t give it out to you, but they may be able to note it should it be relevant at a later date. I think there’s a website that carries specific government advice on nuisance calls – perhaps try Googling.

Most likely Gynephobic teenagers latching on to the ‘Tim Osman’ story. Micro penis syndrome, irritating but nothing to worry about.

I’d tell the police.

Abe

I’ve taken advice that there’s not enough for the police to do anything. Let’s see if it goes away. Taking obvious physical precautions.

I sympathise. There is little more unsettling than to be intimidated in your own home. Perhaps you could trace the number somehow – have you thought of phoning up BT or whoever to see if they can tell you the origin of the call?

That’s horrible and unsettling for you all. Phone calls with implied threats are, unfortunately, not unusual – I hope that this is just someone playing an unpleasant one-off trick. I’ve had a few over the years – the worst was years ago when the phone rang at 2 in the morning, and the comments included the words “I know where you live” (particularly scary because my toddler son was asleep beside me). None ever came to anything worse. However the mobile phone company should be able to help in tracing future calls to the number.

Best wishes to you all.

When I was investigating a carousel fraud and its links to the intelligence services, I had two calls from Belgium, where the fraud emanated. Only a couple of very close relatives had my mobile number but I know that both my landline and mobile were tapped; the clicks at the right places were obvious. Therefore, my conclusion was that the intelligence services made those calls.

I think your blog with its openness, free discussion and potential for relevation is a threat to the Establishment and their corrupt practices.

Although the police probably can’t do anything it’s very important to tell them so there’s a record.

I remember on a separate occasion when one of the agents tried to contact my little son by phone, I sent a fax to Tony Blair, Paul Evans and the head of the intelligence services to leave my family alone.

Osman – Kurdish writer?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-lundberg/writer-killed-over-a-poem_b_576817.html

A sick joke Craig – forget it; you are too strong to be intimidated.

Love to Nadira – not to worry though.

Craig,

I’m very sorry to hear this.

If you google “osman warning”, there’s a host of stuff there.

It could, of course, be some freak but, as Matt Keefe points out, how would this person get your wife’s mobile number.

Can I suggest that you keep backups of your webstats including all IP addresses and make sure they are retained by someone you can trust.

Take care and keep posting to let us know you both are ok.

Mossad

It once happened to me when I was being bullied by the middle east forum and their hoodlums. Now we leave the callers to ring until we hear their voices on the answering machine and pick as we please.

Put up a 24hr cctv system, make sure its black and white. Colour cctv does’nt work that well at night.

Your blog is getting to some people in power. Sounds very much like psychological warfare without physical attack. Maybe you can set up a sophisiticated trace on your phones, and have some experts assist you in getting to the root of it. No doubt – your blog is being noticed.

Sorry to hear. I have had 3 death threats. Take care mate.

CCTV DVR Recorder

http://tinyurl.com/3a7cemw

This should last a few years. Shop bought recorders won’t last long working 24/7.

Courtenay Barnett at June 11, 2010 1:15 AM

Totally agree – good advice.

Craig, you should report this to the police and stress the use of the coded “Osman”, they will be well aware of its significance.

I googled “Osman threat”, That’s an interesting possibility – I was confused why on earth someone with a name I think of as Turkish would be threatening me.

The other thing, Craig, is that it has been mentioned here on this blog that you’re buying a house, with reference to large, lump sum transactions. Could that possibly make you a target for extortion? A concocted debt and threats to kill on the off chance someone would be stupid enough to pay up?

The back door incident and the ‘phone call may or may not be related, and the call could be a mistaken number, of course, but I’m glad that you’re taking precautions.

I believe that the ‘phone companies are obliged to keep records of all calls; contact them and ask them to ensure that they keep records of incoming calls, or even that they send copies to the police.

With land lines I know that you could request that your line be monitored; the police have a department for this and they attach a recorder to your line, though I don’t know what they do about mobiles. The police should do this if you ask them to as threats over the telephone are a criminal offence.

It may be possible to block calls to Nadira’s ‘phone from unknown and/or withheld numbers; the caller would then have to reveal their number or desist.

Yes, keep posting, and best wishes to you all.

This type of stuff is very familiar to my wife and I. It is what I call the soft zerzetsen. While each incident on its own could be seen as coincidental (e.g just a nut phoning by mistake), our experience is that there is usually a small series of incidents (anything from 2 to 6) to let you know that it isn’t coincidental. That’s probably why they rattled your door in the middle of the night before.

Ruth’s advice is good – file with the Police as a matter of record. We made the mistake for years of keeping it quiet in the hope that it would stop. Since the objective of this type of psy-ops is to make you worry all the time, keeping it quiet just plays into their hands. Use your blog to publicize any future incidents.

Perhaps if it happens again and you are at home it might be a good idea to take the call and see what he says.

It’s probably just nothing. A nutter.

I agree with those who said you should speak to the police. That “Osman warning” thing is interesting in a very, very creepy way.

I think it is irresponsible of commenters here to immediately jump to the “only possible answer” that it is the intelligence services, “the Establishment”, Mossad etc… For people who rail at the way the “mainstream media” likes to promote fear they tend to do the same with rather gay abandon themselves.

It’s quite possible that it is just a nutter and to be fair you do attract a few of them, Craig. (Some of them like to believe – want to believe – yearn to believe – that Osama bin Laden was a CIA agent by the name of Tim Osman).

Anyway, on the off-chance that it really is someone dangerous who reads this blog DON’T discuss your security arrangements here.

And as they said at the end of CrimeWatch, “Don’t have nightmares!”

Craig–it seems a bit too coincidental that such a semi-threatening call should occur so soon after all this Israel stuff. Unless, of course, you’ve been getting them all along. I doubt it’s Mossad, but likely some pro-Israel clown expressing his impotence.

Fifteen years ago, I started getting death threats on my answering machine, though for the life of me I had no idea why. The voice was unrecognizable, and never said why they wanted to kill me. Then one day it just stopped.

If you really believe the back door was rattling though, my advice would be two well-trained protection dogs.

Dogs I agree are good. You just need one which barks, though, not a killer.

The ‘Osman warning’ story is fascinating, but not really applicable here?

I agree, this doesn’t sound terribly professional, but certainly unnerving. Next time, if there is a next time, keep them talking and tape them (you can get a sucker mike to link the phone to a dictaphone, if you didn’t know).

all best.

I know two people who have been threatened after obviously upsetting powers-that-be (whoever they are) by putting explosive or highly embarrassing material into the public domain or just powerfully exposing establishment criminality using information already out there. I received a 5:15 am visit from a chap in jeans and a leather jacket myself after engaging in similar activities.

It would seem that nebulous threats or unsettling theatre (organised presumably by the ‘security services’)are a common first step in dealing with individuals who upset powerful interests.

You can rest assured that if you seriously threaten their interests you are likely to be on the receiving end of treatment that is much more severe than this.

O, that we could discuss this issue with JFK who withdrew the power of money creation from the Federal Reserve, demanded US inspections of Israeli nuclear facilities and an American presence in Israel and had decided to end the Vietnam War.

Craig

I agree that it would be wise to avoid revealing too many personal details on your blog, at least for the time being. This can attract nutters and possibly lead to identity theft (though admittedly your personality would be hard to steal!)

There’s no way of knowing what this exchange is all about. Craig has done the right thing by making the events public and he knows that he has the support of the majority of people who visit his blog

and, personally speaking, on the subject of a little sideswipe I noticed in the comments, one thing I don’t like to believe, don’t want to believe, don’t yearn to believe, is that the bin Laden and Bush families were business partners

Craig, I think you’re right to be concerned. Definitely take the steps people have suggested. If you can get recordings or proof then it might warn them off. There are a number of possible perpetrators, I guess, from straightforward idiots to real goons of one sort or another; you’ve a lot of potential enemies, Craig, you don’t anyone to remind you of that.

I agree that maximum publicity and contacting the police, BT, etc. every time anything happens, as well as bolstering security arrangements, would be sensible. Let your neighbours know to look out for anyone snooping around and tell them to phone the cops immediately if they see any such things happening. I would get locks for the windows, a cctv system and sliding double-bolts with a metal bar for the outer doors, the usual stuff. My father’s house got burgled; the aram went off so they got very little as they ran off; we installed cctv – intrusive, but he’s an elderly man living alone – and we got the bastard burglers when they came back. Now they’re in jail, which is where they belong.

I certainly wouldn’t shrug it off, as Alan Campbell and BP have suggested, I think suggesting that is astonishingly complacent and nonchalant. Sorry, guys. If it were your wife/ husband/ family, would you shrug it off? I don’t think so.

I think it is only prudent to do more, Mark Golding, as I think you would if it were your home, no? Okay, not to become like Gene Hackman in that early ’70s film. But still, to pursue it.

Ruth and Roderick’s narratives are very interesting – Ruth, you did the right thing, that is terrifying, esp. that they tried to harass your young son. Such people, the Stasi-boys – in our imagination at least – really require a Glasgow Kiss.

But the best one can do in the real world is expose them, contact all authorities at the highest levels, etc. and hopefully thereby warn them off. Shout loudly. Also, it might be useful to make quiet contact with anyone you’re still friendly with inside the state, to enquire as to who or what these individuals might have been.

It sounds amateur, but it’s no less dangerous for that.

This type of thing puts the possible threat made against Mr Russell on another thread of this blog in sharper perspective, I think.

I would resist jumping to conclusions though, about it being this or that group. It is odd, though – one cannot help making the observation; that is all it is at present – that in all your time criticising, say, Uzbekistan, the UK Govt., the US govt., this has not happened (I assume) before, but that it’s happened after your blog criticised Israel’s recent actions.

Craig, you’re high profile and could attract this sort of nuisance from any number of directions, some sinister but most silly. Anyone who thinks that threats could shut you up doesn’t know your personal history, so at the moment I’d incline to the ‘silly’ hypothesis. Don’t worry, but keep records.

I fully agree with Suhayl Saadi, who makes all the points I would wish to make but more eloquently.

This is no prank.

What does Stuart say ??

Thanks, Monty. And Craig, please get some sleep, if you can. You are not alone; we and many others are behind you and we know your courage from your books, your work and your actions. I am sure that many people in this country and elsewhere really apprecite what you have done and are doing. We are legion.

‘They’ (assuming there is a ‘they’; by this I also refer to the various legal firms and their clients with whom you have tussled in recent years) should know this and they should never be permitted to forget it. We have a very bright spotlight and we are watching them, round the clock.

Are you sure it wasn’t the inland revenue?

Craig sorry to hear this has happened. Tell the police so that there is a record of the event. It doesnt matter if there is not enough for them to act on at the moment. Start the proccess anyway.

Really nasty people rarely ring you up before doing something horrid, so I wouldnt worry to much.

Probably just some idiot with to much time on his hands. As to obtaining mobile numbers….. its really not that hard to do.

Keep your doors and windows locked when you are in bed or out of the house.

Or you could ask MI5 who called you cos you can bet your life they listen in on all your conversations !

The point is the professional people make it look like non-professional. It is definitely a hand of professional organization/s. Sickening, but it is reality. Respect to you Mr Murray for being honest and truthful and speaking up for those who are oppressed and tortured.

Btw would certainly tell the police. But who hasn’t had dodgy phone clicks/strange late night visits/mysterious calls/peculiar people prowling? Almost insulting if you don’t : )

Btw (2) wasn’t the person who brought up the idea of the ‘Osman warning’ also the person who was on the Telegraph blog asking for ammo against posters here (over nuclear power, if I remember rightly)? Apologies if not.

So how did they get Nadira’s phone number? Simples. Possibly some chancer going through your bins looking for personal details who stumbled across an old mobile phone bill with her number on it. Probably a fox from what I read of modern day life in London…

Craig you silly sausage, why ask question for answer you already know.

Everybody and his uncle has access to your mobile number and your address, because you past it on your website enough times.

So if anybody wanted to contact you, they would simply phone you, or visit you. especially if it concerned £30 000.

What someone is trying to do is what they succeeded in doing. And that is scaring you, and diverting your attention from your causes to this rubbish.

It isn’t British intelligence because they are experienced enough in this stuff to do it properly without the handler being overheard.

My bet is a Zionist Organisation, maybe JDL, considering the timing and the people who have currently flooded your page with bollocks.

They have a history of fucking things up, because they are not very smart.

If they phone again keep checking for caller ID, sooner or later they will forget to put that number in front that hides it, that is the type of people they are.

“and, personally speaking, on the subject of a little sideswipe I noticed in the comments, one thing I don’t like to believe, don’t want to believe, don’t yearn to believe, is that the bin Laden and Bush families were business partners”

I didn’t realize I had referred to you personally. The point I was making was that there clearly are a number of people who want to believe a lot of weird fantasies. If you don’t then, fine, you can strike yourself from the list.

My own advice to Mr. Murray is to NOT be complacent about this. I think it COULD be just some idiot who reads his blog or it COULD (and I put this at a very low probability) be someone working in what they perceive as the interests of a particular state.

I could go further with my advice in saying that you shouldn’t post your address and contact details on the Internet. If you take one look at the comments on any You Tube video about Israel/Palestine you’ll find that there are some really incredibly deranged people out there (ON BOTH “SIDES”).

It doesn’t take a genius to work out that some of these idiots will behave in a threatening manner and it absolutely does not have to be state-sanctioned for them to do it.

The reason why I used the words “want to believe” or “yearn to believe” is that there are some very silly people out there who want to believe that they have discovered the way the world works and think that every thing fits a very neat narrative when the chances are that life is far more haphazard, absurd and meaningless than that.

People who talk about the “timing” of it are being silly. Craig Murray has been speaking out against the atrocious regime in Uzbekistan for a number of years now (for which I applaud him!) He has been speaking out against “Zionism” for a number of years now also. There is NO “timing” issue at all.

technicolour at June 11, 2010 10:14 AM

Yes, and your point is?

@ scousebilly: just wondering

@ arsalan: hello! I keep hearing about the JDL. Must look them up. What do you know about them?

@ arsalan: OK, just did. Good old wiki. Crikey. The BNP in yarmulkas?

“I keep hearing about the JDL. Must look them up. What do you know about them?”

The Jewish Defence League is an organization that is banned in Israel and America as an extremist/terrorist organization. In other words, they are evil motherfuckers.

Of course, Hamas and Hizbollah are (in the eyes of the witless Left) heroes and freedom fighters. In other words, recipients of a double standard.

Craig,

whoever gave you the advice that there isn’t enough for the Police to go on is wrong. You believe someone tried your door and then received a phone call as you described. You are a high profile ‘celebrity’ deeply critical of the Middle Eastern conflict therefore you are entitled to extra attention from the Police. If nothing else your local uniformed officers should be aware of the events.

If you have called the Police and they weren’t interested don’t let it lie. find the name of the Officer In Charge and write to him detailing the circumstances, your former and current status and why you believe there may be cause for concern, send the letter recorded delivery. If you don’t get a satisfactory response contact your local MP.

Don’t waste you’re time and money with CCTV systems; unless they are installed, maintained and monitored under certain conditions they would be unlikely to be of any use as evidence and anyone with any nefarious intentions will circumvent them easily.

Contact your cellphone provider by letter and let them know the circumstances.

The Police have a duty to help you, if you don’t want to do it, let me know, I will. The point is, if you jump all over this just now and not just hope it goes away then if anything else does happen there will be an official reaction which, if anyone is up to something, they will see (a visit from the Police, diverted phone calls etc. etc.) which will deter them.

PS

Both you’re landline telephone and cellphone service provider have the facility to block witheld numbers, you may be able to access the cellphone facility from the cellphone handset.

You will be entitled to a visit from the Local Crime Prevention Officer (if there is still such a thing) who can check your house/flat for security weaknesses and advise on what to do about them. Give the Police Office a call and ask for them.

Sinister.

The JDL are “banned” only on paper in the US and Israel. They still fully function. In the UK and Canada they are not even banned. For example in Canada they called for and succeeded in getting George Galloway banned from entering the country.

I have had run ins with the bastards, the police don’t dare go near them because all they need to do is shout antisemitism a few times to scare them away.

That’s why I told Craig to check each time they phone, because they have a tendency to do silly things like forget to block caller ID. Because it doesn’t matter if they do forgot. What is going to happen if they are identified and Craig calls the police?

1: The police will state, it is none of our business, contact your phone company.

2: The police will say, we will look in to it, and do nothing of the such.

3: The police will state that they did look in to it, but lost the notes.

4: the police will contact the JDL, the JDL will say antisemitism a few times to make the police go away.

So there is no reason for the JDL, to disguise what they do, so they will make silly mistakes that will identify them.

It happened to someone I know. His mother’s house was next to a Rabbinical school. The Rabbi who ran the school wanted her house to extend the school. So he sent the school boys to break in to her house and threaten her.

They did this everyday for two and a half years. The police refused to investigate. She installed CCTV at her own expense and gave the videos to the police, and each and every time the police claimed they lost the video tapes.

The press refused to report on it because they feared being called anti Semites. This ended when Islam Channel reported on it, causing such a large amounts of complaints to the local police station that their switch board was knocked out. And then Channel four reported on it. Then the police paid some of the boys a visit, making sure not to arrest them, so as to allow them to relocate to Israel. Nothing was ever done to the Rabbi. And nothing can be done to the boys they choose as scapegoats because the ones they choose were the ones who now live in Israel

This didn’t happen in Israel, it happened right here in London.

They are above the law, they know it we know it.

Arsalan,

calm down, don’t make a mountain out of a molehill making this into something its not.

The fact is NOTHING will be done if Craig doesn’t go through the motions, as futile as you believe them to be.

I found an article reporting what happened.

I know more about the case than what the article lists because I know her son personally.

Police accused of ignoring threats from Jewish youths

By Elham Asaad Buaras

An elderly Muslim woman who says pupils from her neighbouring Orthodox Jewish boy’s private school subjected her to a relentless two-year ordeal of verbal physical threat, has lambasted the Stoke Newington Police for “ignoring her complaints in fear of upsetting the Jewish offenders.”

Speaking to The Muslim News, Mariam Hafesji, who is single and in her 60s, says she was left “exhausted by Stoke Newington police” refusal to take her complaints seriously. Hafesji, a practising Muslim, and wears the hijab, said she had lived in her house in Bethune Road, Stamford Hill, London, for the past 22 years, but for the past two years, “I have become a prisoner in my own home. I can’t go outside the garden in the summer, I can’t open the windows. I had to endure verbal abuse and physical threat inside and outside of my home. There is 6 meters separating me from the school. When I leave the house I have to hear “Pakis” chants and “Palestine we will kill you.”

After three attempts to contact the school, where Hafesji said, “the door was slammed in my face rudely,” she was left with no choice but to get in contact with the police.

“I contacted the police on May 9, 2002, when the abuse became severe and more threatening. Two white ladies who were passing-by actually witnessed the harassment. Both ladies waited with me for the police to arrive.”

Despite having two independent witnesses to collaborate her version of events, Hafesji says the police “completely ignored me. They did not even try to take my statement or of the two ladies.”

However, the family says that over the two years of repeated calls, meetings with the police, independent witnesses, video evidence of criminal damage and harassment, the police refused to open a criminal investigation and each time the family approached the police, it was dismissed as a “civil dispute”.

Hafesji’s family were left to provide the evidence themselves when the police refused to install CCTV camera for “logistical reasons”. With the help of her son, she managed to capture images of the threats and taunts on her with her own hand held camcorder camera. The disturbing images reveal a group of boys, all wearing their black uniforms, gathering next to her gate and whilst making sounds, in one disturbing picture, one of the boys is captured making a hand to throat gesture.

When Hafesji family eventually lodged a complaint to the police, they were told they had lost the complaint. When the family asked why the complaint was “lost”, the police never replied.

Police negligence has led the family to believe Islampohobia had a part to play in the way their complaints were handled. “Can you imagine for a second what would happen if the roles were reversed – if it was Muslim youths harassing a Jewish lady living on her own? I tell you what would have happened. They (the police) would have solved the problem there and then.”

The family say their attempts to stop the terror through community mediation, repeated attempts to do this with the school, met with silence.

Hafesji’s son, Shahid Achhala told The Muslim News, “Previous to this case both communities had enjoyed excellent community relations for the last three decades resolving any issues through grass root level mediation. Whilst one can only speculate why the police were negligent in their duty of care, this case has highlighted anti-Muslim prejudice, in the UK. This is institutionalised and attacks on the community are sanctioned at the highest level.”

Hafesji said, “If this had been a secular private British school embarking on a campaign of hate, terror and criminal damage against a white elderly neighbour, there would be an inquiry into how the school was being run, there would also be calls for the resignation of the school’s board as well as the launch of a criminal investigation.”

Founding member of a local organisation, Muslim Jewish Forum, Ismail Amaan, said, “Members of the Jewish community that favour peaceful relations with their Muslim neighbours in Stamford Hill have made genuine attempts to intervene in this case, and have privately condemned the actions of the school. However, the rogue elements continued their orchestrated campaign of intimidation against Mrs Hafesji, and we had no option but to advise her and her family to seek redress through the police.

“The biggest disappointment in this case has been the failure of the police to take action and to treat the case as a serious hate crime, therefore implicitly allowing the intimidation to continue. The actions of one private Jewish school has the potential to really upset the good relations between Muslims and Jews in the area that have been established, and this is my greatest fear.”

The family are keen to point out that the fault does not lie with the Jewish community but on the police’s failure to serve and protect communities regardless of faith, race and class.

Talmud Tohra School denied its pupils were involved. The school’s Principal, Rabbi Rottenburgh insisted to The Muslim News that “my school has nothing to do with the dispute.”

Spokesperson for Hackney Police told The Muslim News, “Officers from the Community Safety Unit, Hackney Borough Police, are carrying out an investigation following reports from a local resident that she is being racially harassed by youths from a nearby school. As part of the investigation a number of youths have been arrested and inquiries continue. A complaint against police has been lodged and is being investigated. The school assisted in identifying the suspects after attempts were made to involve the school over a period of time.”

Despite the police’s reassurance that an investigation is underway, Hafesji remains critical of any chance convictions “I feel like nothing is going to be done, I have no confidence in the police now,” said Hafesji.

“Despite the police’s reassurance that an investigation is underway, Hafesji remains critical of any chance convictions “I feel like nothing is going to be done, I have no confidence in the police now,” said Hafesji”

She was right, because nothing was done. After consistently claiming that none of the boys from the school were involved. The Rabbi choose boys who were about to move to Israel as the scape goats. “Oh yes, I was lying about no one from my school being involved, it was these ones, the ones you can’t touch because they are in Israel now, hahahahahaha, bloody paki!”

I agree, angrysoba, that Craig has been consistently critical of Israeli policies for some time. That occured to me as well when I wrot the post.

However, firstly, there is always a ‘first time’ wrt potential persecution – it has to start sometime, and secondly, the global criticism which Israel has had (albeit much of it likely to be simply rhetorical) over the flotilla killings has been greater and more uniquitous, I sense, than over previous incidents (except perhaps sabra and Chatilla; even the attack on Lebanon in 2006 did not garner quite so much negative publicity, as it was ostensibly directed against Hizbollah) – and more difficult for Israel to defend in the media. One just has to look at the poor quality of such attempted defencs in the press and on this website to see that.

So, I think that this has been a real own-goal for Israel in publicity terms. The leaders of that country may not care about that, but those who support Israeli policies to the irrational hilt (i.e. regardless of whether or not they are productive for Israel) and who mediate such discourses in the world of infomation, I think would regard it as annoying and negative that a relatively high-profile, well-connected, ex-’Establishment’, anti-torture, etc., figure such as Craig has weighed-in strongly and directly against Israeli state policies in general and the flotilla killings in particular at this specific time.

Of course, to date, there is absolutely no evidence that it was someone connected with this dynamic. It may simply have been pranksters – sub-Russell Brand (if it’s possible to be sub-Russell Brand!). There are also enough among other groups which Craig has critiqued who may have decided to play around at this point.

So, as always, best to keep an open mind and as you – and also I think Redders – quite rightly suggest, not be complacent about it but take appropriate advice and sensible, proportionate precautions.

Arsalan,

no one doubted this happened but this is not Craig’s circumstances and reciting the circumstances to highlight either Police incompetence or Jewish bigotry is unnecessary.

The fact is the Police don’t want to get involved in anything that is not a detectable crime any longer. If you want to understand why Google ‘Inspector Gadget’ and visit his blog, you will find all the information you need there.

Arsalan: The uk police act for the interests of others, they do not serve the people. Professional ethics went out the door many years ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/10290456.stm

A law unto themselves.

Must say that I’d have been onto the local copshop, and wouldnt have taken no for an answer. Precautions, Craig.

technicolour at June 11, 2010 11:39 AM

Yes, your memory is working ok

The Telegraph site is actually a blog that is anti Global Warming. Many there are, in fact, “green” in the conservation and anti-pollution sense but don’t buy the greenhouse theory. Funnily enough the Bilderbergs themselves seem to know what a crock the old Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming hypothesis was:

Bilderberg Meetings discuss GLOBAL COOLING!!!

The 58th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Sitges, Spain 3 ?” 6 June 2010. The Conference will deal mainly with Financial Reform, Security, Cyber Technology, Energy, Pakistan, Afghanistan, World Food Problem, Global Cooling, Social Networking, Medical Science, EU-US relations. Approximately 130 participants will attend of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America. About one-third is from government and politics, and two-thirds are from finance, industry, labor, education, and communications. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion.

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/meeting2010.html

You couldn’t make this stuff up…

Once again you scour the popular media this site invariable debunks, and attempt to discredit someone or something for nothing more than your own selfish satisfaction.

Craig’s situation bears absolutely no relationship to this case which, apart from anything else, took place in 2008.

@ScouseBilly

Ahem……wrong thread?

And so say’s ex PC Redders.

@Redders (& Craig),

Yes, please forgive me I was responding to Technicolour.

Corretct!………you will note Ex PC, I daresay you were never in the Police and therefore don’t have the slightest clue how they work.

You’re a gutless little Troll too scared to reveal your identity because its empty.

@ScouseBilly

No worries, quite amusing reading it trying to figure out why it didn’t make sense

‘I daresay you were never in the Police and therefore don’t have the slightest clue how they work.’

I know how they work.

Redders: Once a copper always a copper.

“Redders: Once a copper always a copper.”

Absolutely correct, I continue to pursue justice to the best of my ability.

You on the other hand are a nasty little coward who wouldn’t have the balls to stand up to anyone unless you were hiding behind a keyboard.

Once a coward always a coward.

O/T with no apologies – to lighten the mood:

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/an_angry_gnostic_englishman__in.htm

If you set up CCTV set it up as a webcam and link it from this site

mrjohn at June 11, 2010 2:41 PM

Then every Tom, Dick and Spook could study the Murray’s habits by day and time.

That’s about the worst suggestion I’ve read yet…

On another lighter note – humour might be a good weapon in such circumstances – d’you think the “heavily-accented man” might’ve been Borat, or a Borat impersonator?

Redders: Reading your posts, I now know why you were never seriously considered for promotion from PC.

1) Anger management problem.

2) Needs an authoritative figure to make rational decisions.

3)Challenged intellect.

You will find all three on your personnel file at police HQ.

I am intrigued by the reference to ‘disturbing theatre’ and indeed have read this before, elsewhere.

What forms might this theatre take? One wonders whether the people who organise such things hire actors for the purpose. Are there any actors around who are aware of this? Or are they sworn to secrecy under pain of the OSA and/or no work? And who, anonmynous poster, was the chap in jeans and leather jacket? What had you ‘done’ to arouse the ire of the hard state?

It’s very confusing, btw, that you don’t adopt at least a basic pseudonym – say, ‘Person’, or ‘Homo Sapiens Sapiens’ – for your posts, because there may well be more than one poster who does that and because there are already posters who entitle themselves, ‘anon’, ‘anno’, etc. So, one doesn’t know whether one is talking to the right person. But perhaps that is your intention, to remain, like the phantom of the opera, in the shadows and perpetually mutable.

Suhayl: It is only the content of a post that matters. It is left to you the reader to judge on that and on nothing else.

Yeah, okay. But it’s a bit like when you’re in a studio talking to a camera lens. You know there are lots of people on the other side, looking at your face, but can see only your own face, talking back at you.

Anyway, it’s your right.

But tell me more, please, about the leather jacket and disturbing theatre.

Thanks.

Suhayl: You should specify ‘at June 11, 2010 7:56 AM’ that is as good as a ‘basic pseudonym’.

It was not me ‘at June 11, 2010 7:56 AM’

“I am intrigued by the reference to ‘disturbing theatre’ and indeed have read this before, elsewhere.”

Yes, a mutual friend of ours was subject to “street theatre” and other maddeningly vague menaces.

Intriguingly the said mutual friend would often be immediately backed up by some other poster who would wholeheartedly and absolutely concur with him before disappearing back into cyberspace never to be heard from again.

Some funny things do happen on this blog. Notice how Apostate/Steelback/Freeborn/Juniper and tungsten seem to be here all at once going on about the Jews and the international banking conspiracy – concurring furiously with each other with the occasional disagreement – and then disappearing collectively.

An anonymous poster writes: “It was not me ‘at June 11, 2010 7:56 AM’ ”

Which is about the most meaningless post ever in a very strong field.

angrysoba:I was pointing out to Suhayl that he was under a misconception.

Anyone of reasonable intelligence would have perceive that.

‘Which is about the most meaningless post ever in a very strong field.’ The field is led by you.

Argh! This is exactly why I suggested they use a name – any name. How am I or anyone meant to know who posted the post, if it’s not one anonymous poster then it must be another… and so the web-versation becomes meaningless and confused. But I shall try to post the ref. times in future.

Oh yes, apostate operates as a kind of hydra. One day, I’d like to attend one of his lectures. Perhaps it resembles a Charismatic church service.

Okay, so, whoever the anonymous poster was who posted the narrative about leather jackets and disturbing theatre, please would you care to elaborate, please. I am fascinated and would like to learn more. Thank you (again), whoever you might have been, are, or will be!

Angrysoba, btw, I meant to ask you earlier, what do you think of Yukio Mishima’s work?

‘Notice how Apostate/Steelback/Freeborn/Juniper and tungsten seem to be here all at once going on about the Jews and the international banking conspiracy – concurring furiously with each other with the occasional disagreement – and then disappearing collectively.’

angrysoba: I think that makes you the conspiracy nut around here.

“Angrysoba, btw, I meant to ask you earlier, what do you think of Yukio Mishima’s work?”

I’ve only read a couple of his stories. A famous one, Patriotism, and a novel The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With the Sea.

There is maybe only one other book by him that I might read which is called, I think, the Golden Pavillion (Kinkakuji) but I didn’t really enjoy his stories.

I think he has gained a lot of fame partly through his…er…flambouyant fascist lifestyle and his attention-grabbing suicide.

I think there was a very arty film made of his life by Paul Schrader although I’ve never seen it.

“angrysoba: I think …”

I’ve yet to see evidence of that. You can’t even come up with a name for yourself.

Actually, I’ve read his big quartet of novels, and I liked them. But I like that kind of dense prose and mystical, allusory approach. He was obviously a fascist nutter and if you mention him to some Japanese people, understandably, they’ll often recoil. But I did like what I read of his work – in translation, of course.

Richard Appignanesi wrote a novel about Mishima. I once visited the crypts of one of the iconic (!) cathedrals in Kiev with Richard. Death, beauty and wax. Very Mishima, oddly enough.

http://www.richardappignanesi.com/

Commenter too inconsiderate to leave a name at June 11, 2010 6:05 PM,

Angrysoba was the first to state publicly what I had suspected for some time; that Apostate posts under multiple names. Anyone with reasonable powers of observation would come to the same conclusion.

You abuse the open policy of this blog by not using any name, and you thereby offend me.

Angrysoba,

to be fair to Apostate (in his various forms), he now targets his criticism more accurately upon a (postulated) elite group of Zionists, accusing them of using and abusing ordinary people including Jews.

Clark: You above all on here surprise me. Not into that Clark, I believe in freedom of speech and choice. It is Clark ‘open policy’, I choose to exercise that choice. If that offends your emerging fascist leanings, then so be it.

June 11, 2010 7:54 PM,

no. It offends ME. As for your “so be it” – well, I don’t believe you; I think that you wish to offend.

‘I think that you wish to offend.’

I do not. I leave those things to people like you Clark.

‘Angrysoba was the first to state publicly what I had suspected for some time; that Apostate posts under multiple names.’

You suspected. You do not know, yet so quick to condemn. I think Apostate has a right to be offended.

Your arrogance offends me!.

June 11, 2010 8:47 PM,

Apostate is free to contact me at any time via the link that I provide, as are you. Your current level of comment is not worthy of further debate.

Just in case..be careful when driving, especially in the country. GCHQ have technology above what one expects. When Princess Diana died the driver lost control twice then regained control. The third time control was lost, it was not recovered. I suspect a degradable substance was sprayed on the tyres which may have caused loss of control at a certain temperature. Whether it was a spray I am guessing through knowledge of inventory. The losing control part is 100% accurate. Hence why I tell you to be careful.

“Redders: Reading your posts, I now know why you were never seriously considered for promotion from PC.

1) Anger management problem.

2) Needs an authoritative figure to make rational decisions.

3)Challenged intellect.

You will find all three on your personnel file at police HQ.”

Blimey, an anonymous, ghostly, psycho analyst with access to Police HQ files that I don’t have access to. We are in the presence of a God.

Go away you annoying little cretin. Post your past on a blog and how much piss could we all rip out of you? I daresay lots, had you the courage to be honest about it.

You are a coward, snivelling, grovelling little turd.

@Ishmael

I’m not sure if you’re serious, but I would bet the driver was pissed.

Whoooooooooaaaaaaaa!

‘The idiot with no name’ and I started flaming on this thread long before you (June) and you (Clark) even contributed to it. Kindly bug off and find your own flaming thread to flame before we flaming well flame you!

Nanny Nanny Booby!

My prose, my intellect, my wit….aw fcuk I just squished a bug on my monitor.

What was I saying?

”The idiot with no name’ and I started flaming on this thread long before you (June) and you (Clark) even contributed to it.’

Redders:If you go back you will find it was you who first attacked me, because I put a post on saying Thatcher had caused all this. Which contradicted your post. You are not very good at getting facts right.

I knew a jamaican shop owner in my youth who had problems with burglars in a rough part of manchester and as a precaution fitted a metal grill to the door and windows at rear of the shop connected to the mains supply. Only people who shouldn’t have been there would come into contact with it. I suggested this might be illegal, i was quite innocent at the time, well so is breaking into my shop he said and if i find one here in the yard dead one morning i will just throw him over the wall. I don’t think he had any further problems with break ins after that. This was before the days of CCTV and fancy alarm systems.

As for phantom phone calls, i think we all get them from call centres and the like with number withheld. For the moment just don’t answer such calls and let them go to answer machine. Simples. If you do feel the need to answer it speak in a foreign language. Any will do and if you don’t know one then just make it up.

Craig is regularly censoring comments that don’t reflect his views.

Why is this?

What are your views on censorship?

One thing that works pretty well is restricting a mobile’s incoming alert to known numbers. Anyone new will have to leave a message. (I do this routinely because I have to work odd hours – during off-hours, the mobile only allows calls which I’ve told it are essential).

Mobile numbers are spread around like email addresses for spamming purposes these days, and Mr. Murray’s mobile has (unfortunately) appeared on this blog. That of his wife has not, so some digging has occurred.

At home, may I suggest that a smiting-stick is not far from hand. A particularly useful place for such a thing is behind the door frame (on the opening side), to the side of the bed, and behind and to the right of where one usually works. Might I also suggest getting used to the feel and balance of the stick, while static and in motion.

But as a student of Aikido, I probably would say that.

Glenn, you sound like a cosmically-centred being. Is your house full of sticks? I once found a two-pronged stick in a neighbour’s house. It was made of ash, she said, to ward off evil spirits.

I suspect Arsalan checks under the bed each night

A good answer may be water-bed. Whatever happened to those? In the 1970s, they were the ultimate symbol of suburban decadence.

This incident bears all the hallmarks of a Mossad operation… From my observations (“Munich” was on tv the other night) their “heavies” are usually a bit scattered and prone to depression – hence their heavy reliance on support staff. Did the caller sound anything like Eric Bana?

But if you hear from “Osman” again, can you ask him to stop using my passport?

Suhayl: No, it’s not full of sticks They are made of Japanese oak, though, not ash. Mine are there to ward off evil spirits too, in their own way.

June 11, 2010 1:00 PM

http://tinyurl.com/2wqg8jt

When those who are supposed to uphold the law, break the law, then there is no law.