Does Britain allow foreign powers to investigate her invasions to Iraq, Afghanistan and occupied Falkland?

Did the UN investigated Russia intrusion into Caucasia and the massacre in Chechnya?

Each state checks and investigates itself. No aliens can be objective and true searchers but the regarded state itself.

Has any Islamic state ever been investigated for internal minorities cleansing and genociding pogroms made by them http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/483/521.html ?

Goldstone “investigating” panel was just a Palestinian farce… . or a bad joke.

Abebird, a classic example of ‘whataboutery’ and hasbara junk reasoning. Goldstone was a damning verdict on Israel, as its hopeless attempt at smearing him showed. Israel is incapable of an independent investigation because we have seen it many, many times in the past. Cast Lead, Rachel Corrie, Tom Hurndall – all the so-called investigations produced nothing except a whitewash of the IDF. The murderer can hardly be the investigator.

The average american is retarded. There is no justice, just a system to destroy and wear down those who oppose. When those occupants of Palestine complete their report, any critic of that report will be blown apart by accusations of anti-occupants of palestine biase and anti-semitism. You know the MO. People should stop purchasing the goods and services of countries who support the ongoing holocaust of the native palestinians.

“No aliens can be objective ”

I believe the common reasoning about such issues of investigative impartiality to be completely the opposite of what you’re trying to say above.

Yet the implication of your rhetoric would seem to hint at why such impartiality is necessary and widely expected.

Undermining your own argument slightly there, AbeBird?

the killings took place in international waters on a boat that is not Israeli registered

so, no, it is not appropriate for Israel to conduct the investigation

and there are plenty of people in the UK who are disgusted that our state’s involvement in the invasion of Iraq has not been properly investigated

though it’s bizarre seeing a Zionist apologist raising that particular subject

Average Americans are ill-informed, rather than retarded, and honestly believe that their country and their soldiers are shouldering the burden of making the world a better, safer place

and if and when the average American becomes better informed he’s going to be very pissed off

control of the media is everything

“but the Netherlands deserves remark. It has gone on a remarkable journey in the last decade, from a liberal society to one as poisoned with fascism as their Flemish neighbours”

In Belgium? Hardly. Corruption yes, but fascism no. The Vlams Belang continue to decline. There has been a rise in Flemish national ism, but to compare that to fascism is akin to saying the SNP are fascist

More information re the targeted killings on the Marmara:

http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/did-israel-try-to-assassinate-sheikh-raed-sal

The USA is secretly supplying weapons to terrorists in Israel, and is believed to be sending another large shipment soon.

This indicates that Israel is planning another major terrorist bombing operation against its neighbours.

“Israel is reportedly asking the US to provide its army with new purchases of ammunition, seeking a significant expansion of the US-held arsenals in Israel.

The requests were brought up during recent visits to Washington by high-ranking Israeli defense officials, and in conversations with senior administration and Congress officials, Haaretz revealed in an article published on its website on Tuesday.

Among the requested weapons are US bombs and precision guidance kits, such as Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) that add GPS/INS guidance to bombs.

The JDAM kits have been increasingly used by the Israeli air force in recent offensives, including in the 2006 war against Lebanon and the 2008 Gaza war.

”

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129501&sectionid=351020202

You can see here a picture of leading Israeli terrorist Ehud Barak with major American arms dealer, Barak Obummer.

Both criminals are still at large.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-asked-u-s-to-increase-weapons-supply-haaretz-learns-1.294803

The American political and media elite are almost totally in thrall to Israel, which is arguably the most powerful ‘state’ in the Union by far. When one hears people like VP Joe Biden defending Israel and boasting that he is a Zionist and declaring his undying admiration and unconditional love for Israel, one simply shakes ones head in speachless disbelief.

I doubt that there is a historical parallel for the bizarre relationship that exists between the United States and Israel. It’s unique, unless they are essentially one state. One a massively powerful military empire, the other its most powerful and important overseas colony. Then the relationship makes some kind of sense, because otherwise it simply doesn’t.

The answer to “Why?” is “Yes” … I’m going to use that one.

If they are so innocent, why won’t they allow an impartial investigation?

An investigation performed by the accused is, by definition, not impartial.

They know this will be called a whitewash and not be accepted by most of the world; clearly they feel that is better than risking that the truth be told.

Israeli terrorist Uzi Dayan threatens the life of the democratically elected Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

This should be seen as no idle threat. Israeli terrorists have already killed at least one of their own prime ministers, just for trying to make peace.

Israeli terrorists are well known not to like peace and will murder anyone who gets close to it, or indeed anyone who disagrees with them, or even just for a laugh if they’re feeling bored.

So no point trying to rationalise with them. These very sick puppies just need locking up, and quick.

Israeli terrorists are supplied with weapons to kill and mutilate children and babies, by the USA.

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=191191

thanks for that snippet Uzi, it looks like Israel is declaring the eastern mediterranian its own, our NATO partners will be pleased.

Israel is playing us all up against each other and is negating every established order that was agreed since 1945, unless it does get its specialial dispensations.

Not surprised about the US pandering to vested military interests who already smell more business, paid for by tax payers off course.

I am not happy about Hollands and Italy’s decision to vote with the US, not am I happy about our abstention to punishing breahces of established international laws.

Assault and battery, or is it rape followed by the brutal murder of the hapless victim? Piracy, then kidnapping?

Who on earth, who still had their faculties in order, would rely on the accused, those responsible for the above crimes, to carry out an impartial investigation into their own heinous actions? It simply beggars belief to imagine that Israel is capable of conducting such an enquiry objectively.

And this absurd and desparate attempt to divert attention from Israel’s crimes by mentioning the crimes committed by other imperialist criminals in the past and recent history, is an odd form of defence. Inadvertently one is comparing oneself to other international criminals and drawing oblique parallels that don’t actually absolve one from one’s own crimes, but paradoxically underline their true character and nature.

At the same time that the siege of Gaza is broken, one should impose a blockade of Israel itself. I’m beginning to think this is the only way to wake up the population of Israel, to force them to think about where their crazed leaders are leading them, before it’s too late.

It’s also important to remember how corrupt Israeli politicians are, especially on the extreme right. They don’t want ‘peace’ because this would mean Israel becoming an ordinary country, and then Israelis would begin to examine the true nature of Israeli society and the gangsters and warmongers they’ve allowed to take over control. War is the life-blood of the right’s grip on power in Israel, for without it people might begin to see and realise who their real enemies were.

This continues to be an excellent blog, Craig. Congratulations.

It reminds me of Claud Cockburn’s 1930′s news letter “The Week.” Chamberlain had a ferocious spin doctor – Joseph Ball – a man who makes Alistair Campbell and Karl Rove look like Kittens – who used blackmail and phone tapping to clamp down and censor journalists and editors in Fleet St and at the BBC. The national press and the BBC’s coverage of appeasement was a disgrace because they were effectively controlled by Downing St.

Cockburn and the editors of similar unofficial newsletters posted to their subscribers, provided a valuable service in letting their readers know the truth of what was happening.

And the truth is what will serve us now.

With the State departement supporting the drive of Obummers clandestine mission creep and the re writing of internationa law as they see fit, I suppose this chap is a bit of a hero, somebody who has lifted the lid on a can full of very nasty worms.

My support goes ouit to Bradley Manning for forgetting about himself his family and his future when he posted the helicopter evidence showing two Reuters journalists being killed.

he needs a medal for ‘extraordinary insight into US foreing affairs’.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia_pacific/10254072.stm

Yes!!!1!

“Ahmadinejad Stresses Need for New World Order

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday called for cooperation among world states to forge a new world order.”

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8903171502

Impressed with your government’s reaction to this incident, Craig?

Get used to it.

StefZ – you’re spot on. Control of the media is everything, the media creates the environment for and the limits of debate. Also, I too have to say that the average American is not retarded – after 80-90 years of relentless propaganda and the ruthless commodification of ordinary life, its a wonder that the broad majority of American opinion is actually as progressive as it is. Consistently, polls have shown the majority of Americans to be politically to the left of their politicians. The only to-hand source I have for this is Michael Moore’s books, but I’m certain that judicious googling can turn up the evidence.

Uzi is right – there’s no point trying to rationalise with Israel’s rulers. I refer readers to the post I made on another thread, the youtube extract from Dexter. But here’s the dialogue from it, just to give you a flavour.

Dexter: I didnt get it before, Miguel, but you can’t be reasoned with, guilted, controlled. This whole back and forth game for leverage is pointless.

Miguel: Thats right – I’ll do what I want, when I want, to whomever I want!

And that, friends and neighbours, is exactly the situation we face WRT Israel and Gaza.

Have a look at Max Blumenthal’s site at maxblumenthal.com

Latest post: ‘IDF Admits It Doctored Flotilla Audio Clip’

It concerns that clip where flotilla members appear to say things like ‘go back to Auschwitz’. Turns out they did no such thing and, faced with proof that the audio had been doctored, the IDF issued a ‘clarification’ which, as Craig will confirm is diplomat-speak for ‘We lied’ – ‘we got caught’ – ‘this is our fall-back position’.

They similarly lied in one of their website press release headlines which claimed ’46 Al Qaeda members aboard the Mavi Mamara’ which they subsequently altered to ’46 people without identification papers’.

The prospect of a credible investigation by the Israeli Authorities into what happened aboard those ships is non-existent – period.

There’s a video interview with Blumenthal from Tel Aviv on Democracy Now too. It is well worth watching. He confirms it is a very scary pressure cooker inside Israel right now. They seem to be losing all contact with reality.

My big fear is that will the situation will necessitate another spectacular terrorist attack somewhere, so the world can once again be made to understand just how dangerous these ‘terrorists’ are.

They seem oblivious to the fact that vast numbers of us know EXACTLY how dangerous the terrorists are and – more to the point – exactly WHO they are too.

Here is the proof that Israel can investigate what happened fairly and accurately:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJbOIFTAY2E

Israel is the best friend America ever had so America must defend Israel, whatever Israel does.

America must repay Israel for all the help

and Aid Israel has given America with out which America would have been invaded.

Where would America be if Israel didn’t give America this help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvfV9NgwlpM&feature=related

Arsalan,

I strongly suspect that is you doing more false flag posting. One more example and you are banned, and anything by anybody I even suspect might be by you just gets deleted.

Some of Craig’s former American colleagues say things you rarely hear in the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSp-oIOhq00

All the stats, comparisons, references and sources you’ll ever need, all in one place.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

@alan_campbell – the reaction from the government has been poor, I agree. But I am of the honest view that it has been marginally better than torture-supporting David Miliband ever was on the Palestine question. Ditto Blair, and all the damage he did to Palestinian security.

Fear of the Zionist lobby, or the acceptance of Zionist money, has tainted all mainstream UK parties. Going back to Labour would not make the matter better until they rediscover what a British Labour party should, and did, stand for.

you know its illegal to boycott Israeli good in America?

I agree with the above poster that pointed out that Americans are generally left-leaning. That is true, if you simply ask them about their ideals and their opinions. The problem is that they tend to vote rightward, because the rightward media has convinced them that the right, not the left, somehow represents their best interests. It’s quite amazing.

For example, most Americans are willing to pay extra taxes to support public welfare, food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc., yet the term “socialism” is as evil a word here now as “communism” was during the Cold War.

Just another example of Doublethink.

Dear Writerman @9:25

Perhaps there is a parallel

It is how a virus propagates

Infiltrates the host,

penetrates individual cells

tkes over their command and control

Johnf

Claud Cockburn indeed. Oh for a few more like him in today’s world. My favourite Cockburnism:

“Never believe anything until it has been officially denied”

“I strongly suspect that is you doing more false flag posting.”

A thing that’s striking me recently is that a number of posters seems to arrive fairly quicky at a kind of “melt-down” position where their authentic outpourings can’t easily be distinguished from those of Arsalan’s Mum in her libel-free bed (apart sometimes from a few characteristic misspellings).

I’ve seen various people making various suggestions, going back a while, for techy things that might “improve” the signal-noise ration here, and tend to reckon it’s probably not helpful – it’s not clear how much time or inclination you have for fiddling with this stuff, or what the software allows in the first place, and anyway I guess you have your own ideas. This is, of course, a preamble to making the same mistake myself – does the site have a registration / login mechanism ? If so, allowing posts only from logged-in users would oblige people to put a name to their posts, and provide at least a strong incentive to keep to only using one name at once ?

An international investigation isn’t necessary, because there’s already been one.

Israeli naval forces warned the flotilla to divert, as it was about to enter a blockaded area.

The flotilla signalled: ‘Shut up. Go back to Auschwitz.’

FINDING: Israel broke the law because it is unlawful for a Jew to be in a public place other than a gas chamber without the permission of an officer of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Turkish papers have now, it seems, published photographs of soldiers bleeding badly while under assault.

FINDING: More evidence of Jewish criminality. It is shari’a that a Muslim has the right to beat a Jew, because Jews are dirty and immoral and sinners. The Jew may beg for mercy, but if he protests there is a violation of the dhimma, therefore their lives and property of them all are permitted to the Muslims.

Sheikh Hussein bin Mahmud has declared: “Everyone who has had contact with the Jews and lived alongside them, in the East and in the West, has spurned them, loathed them and detested them, to the point where Hitler said, ‘I could kill all the Jews in the world, but I left a few alive so that the entire world will know why I killed the Jews.’”

He declared that the Turks should “kill every Jew in Turkey.” Moreover, “Gaza does not want ‘freedom ships’ bearing blonde women with Muslim, Christian, Jewish and atheist men; it wants a naval fleet and a land army bearing black Islamic banners… Gaza will not agree to a cease-fire with the Jews. On the contrary, it is thirsty to drink the blood of the sons of apes and pigs, and it is hungry and longs to devour the body parts of these cowards.”

So there we have it! Sensible policies for a prosperous Caliphate! Happy headbanging, Sheikh Hussein!

It seemed like a useful exercise to examine how the Israeli propaganda machine via its state sponsored journalists and news media released information after the Mavi Marmari massacre.

We note that for days no communication was possible from the captured occupants of the humanitarian relief vessel.

The Jerusalem Post followed a statement by the Israeli Defense Force that read, “Israeli Soldiers Attacked ” by a headlined that read:

“Israeli Soldiers Met by Well-Planned Lynch Mob”

JP May 31st 2010

The Post said, “Israeli storm troopers invading the ship were turned into victims and the humanitarian pacifists were turned into aggressor.”

The same day Professor Sabel of the Hebrew University said Israel’s act of piracy in international waters was declared LEGAL.

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Ayalon said the humanitarian organizers were accused of having ties to terrorists (al-Qaeda).

Haaretz, May 30 2010

Israeli propagandists ‘doctored’ video releases portraying one of the Israeli soldiers on the deck, cutting out the preceding sequence of attack when dozens of human rights people were shot, killed and maimed.

Financial Times, June 2, 2010

The Israeli sea and airborne commandos were described as the victims of a “Brutal Ambush at Sea”

Ynet News, June 1, 2010

Once the Israeli propaganda machine started spewing out its gutter lies, the entire leadership of the Zionist Fifth column swung into action in the United States and Britain.

The terrorized human rights workers were accused of being a “lynch mob”, attacking the Jewish commandos who were firing automatic rifles wildly across the deck and at cornered victims. The few courageous individuals who fought back to stop the murderous attack were slandered by the Zion-propaganda, which itself is as monstrous as the crimes they perpetrated.

Presidents of the Major American Jewish Organizations, published every scurrilous Israeli state lie, about the Israeli commandos being ‘lynched’, ‘attacked’ and the human rights victims being responsible for the death of their comrades.

The Daily Alert May 31 ?” June 2, 2010

Israeli commandos attacking the humanitarian boat as being … “assaulted and beaten”

Washington Post, June 1, 2010

“..act of piracy on the high seas was legal”

NY Times, June 1, 2010

The White House said “The United States deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries sustained and is currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding the tragedy”

AFP May 31, 2010

Washington, pressed to participate at a UN Security Council meeting, spent 10 hours eliminating all references to Israel’s illegal criminal act, ending in a resolution which merely calls for an “impartial” investigation, with Washington pushing for an Israeli investigatory committee.

In the week preceding Israel’s announced assault on the humanitarian flotilla, (pro-Israel) Jewish leaders met with over a third of US senators to pressure them to pass harsher sanctions on Iran by June. Among the key operatives attending were the Jewish Federation of North America, AIPAC and the rest of the Israeli Fifth Column.

Jewish Telegraph Agency, May 26, 2010

Rahm’s mission to Israel was to hand Netanyahu an invitation to the White House, during the week of the slaughter at sea. The only reason Netanyahu did not come to Washington was because he rushed back to Israel to buttress the Foreign Office’s defense of the slaughter in the face of world-wide outrage. But in a phone conversation, Obama promised Netanyahu a prompt new invitation ?” assuring the Jewish statesman that violating international laws and bloodying dozens of humanitarian activists is of no consequence, especially since it insures continued financial support by Obama’s Zionist backers.

Collated from Voltaire with courtesy

above.

“The flotilla signalled: ‘Shut up. Go back to Auschwitz.’”

Other sources seem to cast some doubt on this story ? CNN, for example :- http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/06/gaza.flotilla.recordings/index.html

So if I donate a bag of cement at http://www.freegaza.org, I am financially supporting terrorist organization and US has all righ to wipe ME off map. Welcome to Finland and try…

Wow !

The ravings of Sheikh Hussein bin Mahmud almost rival those of Michael Petek.

I suggest he goes away and reads the IDF apology (oops – clarification) on the ‘..back to Auschwitz’ slander – see above. Yet another in a veritable litany of blundering ‘white-is-black’ propaganda and deception attempts.

Poor old IDF; you almost have to feel sorry for them don’t you? They used to cultivate an image of such macho, invincibility. And now here they are, reduced to habitual, bungling, incompetence. I can just see them stamping their collective little jackboots like the spoiled brat school-kids most of them are when they realise the rest of the world is laughing at them.

As for Michael Petek; his grasp on reality is mirrored at all levels of Zionist Israel right now and is precisely why we should be fearful about just what its bungling, incompetent military/SIS complex leadership, with its finger on its nuclear button, will do next.

‘Iraq Inquiry press release’

http://www.iraqinquirydigest.org/?p=8677

“The flotilla signalled: ‘Shut up. Go back to Auschwitz.’”

This is yet another botched and panicky piece of Israeli evidence-fixing. They seem to have forgotten that the actual exchange has already been aired. The response from the captain was in fact “Negative. Our destination is Gaza”.

Michael, may I politely suggest that instead of relying solely on Israeli propaganda for your information you look elsewhere also? You look very silly otherwise.

it derives from “NAtionalsoZIalistische”.

MJ

I deleted that comment from Apostate, and tidied up your response, which is still left hanging but makes the point.

Craig: since you’ve removed Apostate’s post you may as well remove the entirety of my response, which looks meaningless as you’ve left it.

OK, just seen your last post.

Apostate-you renegade!

You got no place to be here with this mob of charlatans.They’re the type of people who think if someone sees them reading The Times they’ll think they’re intelligent and powerful!

Sorry mate these guys think like this:

(1) Bilderberger is a cake with squares in it.

(2) The Illuminati get switched on by some celeb in Blackpool every year.

(3) We live in a democracy with a real-life opposition,open media and free debate.

(4) With a little love and understanding Israel and its elite backers could become nice people and stop killing everybody in wars they make money from when they back both sides.

(5) Sabbateans are reptilian aliens David Icke,Barry Chamish and Rabbi Antelman make pots of money inventing conspiracy theories and speaking about.

(6) If someone says something nasty about Israel or the elites that sustain it they must be either “anti-semitic” or paranoid “conspiracy theorists” or both.

And this is just a sample of the PC hyper-reality in which they live, move and have their being!

I’ve been visiting here longer than you mate and this is how the land lies.

By the way any more stuff about “the Holocaust” being a Zionist fairy tale and you’re out!

I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!

Dear Craig

So glad you excised that guy Apostate I was just trying to humour him.

That stuff re-the “zi” in Nazi.Hell what do we want to know about that for.

Trebitsch-Lincoln who the Bejeez was he?

Hitler was a bad man.

Jewish Nazis don’t exist.

6m Jews died in the Holocaust. 4m in Auschwitz alone-it says that on the plaque outside.

Zionist bankers don’t exist.

It was only an Allied cock-up that the Soviets to take over Eastern Europe after WW2.

Churchill,Eisenhower and De Gaulle just forgot to mention the Holocaust in their memoirs.

Now that is all anyone needs to know re-WW2.

Am I on-message now?

Er, Massa Craig,Mr Ambassder sir.

Ain’t you gon exercise dat Freebon guy now?

Jussa kina looks mitey funny kina dialog goin’ on dere wid Massa Freebon and dem other guys referring to comments dat offishally don’ exist no more.

While yooz exercizin Freebon ana Apostate what you gon do bout all dem igrant shills anna PCs what taken over dis here blog?

Larry’s wife say you can jussa sen Larry packin too.She don’ wan see him draggin St Louis thru the mud an’all no mo’.

Jussa sen him back to Massa Silverstein’s cathouse pronto!

An I think you doin a mitey fine job censoring all dem spiracists jussa likka Massa Sunstein say we should for our scurity an’all.

Yessir!

Craig: I would beware of banning someone on the grounds of suspicion alone, because it would be too easy for someone to forge a message to provoke a ban. It would be better to censor mesages that you considered objectionable on objective grounds, such as being irrelevant to the thread.

I think the false flag Petek rant is a beautiful work and is a good means of reappropriating the discussion from the people who clearly post not to engage but simply to dump their own ‘reality picture’ here.

Craig, you are quite right to highlight the rise of fascism’s ugly face with the continually increasing popular support of Geert Wilders in the Netherlands.

It is the general election in Holland tomorrow so I will be keeping an eye on how they are doing.

Here is Stephen Sackur enjoying himself shredding Wilders on BBC HardTalk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m-01pJfLJU