Afghan Farce

by craig on January 20, 2012 11:39 am in Uncategorized

The French government has suspended training for Afghan forces after four of their troops were killed by an Afghan soldier under training. Extraordinarily, that makes eight NATO troops killed by their trainees in 2012 already. It is the most extreme example of the complete failure of the occupation to achieve any of its ostensible aims. It is not even achieving any of its hidden aims, other than the channelling of huge amounts of our money to the arms industry.

But do not worry: NATO have come up with a brilliant and effective policy response to this problem. They are suppressing statistics on NATO personnel killed or wounded by Afghan army and police personnel. So that’s alright, then.

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  1. That seems perfectly fair and reasonable. If you don’t like the ‘news’, don’t publish it. How does that differ from what the BBC has being doing for years now? And don’t even mention the Murdoch press or the “papers of record”. So, nothing new. The only surprise is that they had to announce it, probably to warn sites that report casualties.

  2. Uzbek in the UK

    20 Jan, 2012 - 12:19 pm

    The heading of the post describes with precise accuracy the great tragedy that Afghans experienced in the last 2 centuries. The main problem is that whoever is involved in Afghan wars do not even consider minimal interests of Afghans themselves. Until this is done there will be no peace and no success in Afghanistan.
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    NATO will probably leave but this will not bring peace to Afghanistan, unfortunately.

  3. Surpressing and falsifying statistics has been a valuable ally to the warmongers for decades. rermember the slanging macth that was the Iraq civilian casualties? the Vietnam US casualties. Modern warfare just happens and anything that could detract from our great tax expenditures, like the notions of winners and losers, is to be avoided. Nobody wins in war and it is obvious that only those who grieve personally about their loss of a relative in a warzone can adequately express what it feels like to loose a husband, dear friend or lover.

    Its these false statist-sics that make historians cringe enmasse, they distort history and are used to justify more of the same. Who would have thought that those trained in shooting guns will use them…. tut tut, naughty Afghans.

  4. @ Uzbek,

    ” …whoever is involved in Afghan wars do not even consider minimal interests of Afghans themselves.”

    And, while agreeing with you – could one not also say that this is in large measure also true for colonial occupations, resource wars and other instances of occupation to profit from the domination of the occupied/subject peoples?

  5. Uzbek in the UK

    20 Jan, 2012 - 12:45 pm

    As Sun Tzu once said ‘All war is deception’.

  6. Uzbek in the UK

    20 Jan, 2012 - 12:59 pm

    Courtenay Barnett,

    Yes, I totally agree with you. The main aim of colonialism is to robbery of colonised lands and people. Today we live in times of when colonisation has been even further perfected to something that is not even require physical colonisation. Today colonisers can and often use corrupt local elites to do robbery so basically with some exception colonialism in its classical formulation is out of the picture, but robbery itself continues on even larger scale.

  7. I used to post on this website, this website was one of my favourites site, then one day craig murray said I should crawl under a rock, ever since then I have hated this site

  8. Fair enough Larry. Go back under your rock now – and stay there until told otherwise.

  9. In military jargon, “casualties” are constituted of the wounded and dead, and I have always found it misleading to report only the dead: modern equipment and procedures in the Western armies allow for the gruesomely injured to survive what would have killed them during the Viet-Nam era (or if they were on the other side; that is one of the reasons for the very asymetric death tolls of modern warfare).

    Amongst the wounded, some will no more rejoin the battlefield than the dead can (spinal cord injuries, for instance); many require more resources to be diverted on their behalf on the battlefield than the dead do (you need to protect the wounded, stabilise their condition, and transport them in a hurry; the dead can wait ); and need I talk about the long-term economic burden of pensions and medical care, back home…

    With this in perspective, it appears that in this case, we have 4 dead and 16 wounded.

  10. + 6 US troops yesterday in a helicopter crash.
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    20 January 2012 .
    Six Nato soldiers have been killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan, the worst crash since 30 soldiers died last August.
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    A Nato statement said the helicopter came down in the south of the country.
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    Nato said no insurgent activity had been reported in the area at the time. The cause of Thursday’s crash is now being investigated.
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    No further details of the crash would be released until the families of those on board had been informed, Nato said.
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    “The cause of the crash is under investigation, however initial reporting indicates there was no enemy activity in the area at the time of the crash,” a spokesman from the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) led by Nato said.
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    Isaf has not disclosed the nationalities of those killed, but they are believed to be US troops. The British Ministry of Defence said there were no UK soldiers involved.
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    /…http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16643888
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    One of those SAMs?

  11. “Nato said no insurgent activity had been reported in the area at the time”.

    So just normal incompetence then?

  12. ‘Military commanders in Afghanistan have stopped making public the number of allied troops killed by Afghan soldiers and police, a measure of the trustworthiness of a force that is to take over security from U.S.-led forces.’
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    Does this mean that we will not have Cameroon mouthing hypocrisies to the nodding heads around him as he begins PMQs each Wednesday followed by similar hypocrisies from Milipede Jnr?

  13. @ Rama
    The so-called killed-to-wounded ratio (KTIR) varies depending on immediate medical aid and body armour protection. And, of course, you are completely right that a marine with no legs is no longer a great asset yet does not count in the casualty figures. Nor do the suicides of returned vets.
    But – despite variability as the result of improved medicine and body armour – the KTIR remains remarkably constant. Thus, when you see massive deviations from the norm – such as occurred in the Port Arthur massacre in Australia, or the more recent (lone madman) slaughter in Sweden – then you should start to get suspicious and do your own research.
    See: http://www.whale.to/b/viallspam.html

  14. Very well said here.
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    Military Wives Choir’s Smokescreen of Success
    by Matthew Vickery / January 19th, 2012
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    It is almost the new taboo in the United Kingdom. To question ‘our troops fighting for our country’, and anything, anyone or any institution attached to ‘our troops’. By doing so, you open yourself up to being branded disrespectful at best, traitor at worst.
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    The Military Wives Choir, with their primetime BBC 2 programme, ended up outselling the rest of the top 10 combined on Sunday to win the coveted UK Christmas No. 1 spot. The nation celebrated the success of the women in the choir, women whose partners serve in the British Army in countries such as Afghanistan. However maybe this ‘groupthink’, this unconditional support for anything attached to ‘our troops’, is not in the benefit of those who fight for ‘our country’; the Military Wives Choir is a case in point.

    [...]
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    Where does the Military Wives Choir come into this? Well it deflects attention from what the public should concentrate on, that of government policy and whether it should be backed or not. And although I have no doubt the Military Wives have a tough time, I am sure they would rather their partners back in the UK instead of overseas. However the enthusiasm and downright clambering to be part of the ‘support our troops’ brigade, which has been partly fuelled by the Military Wives choir and their BBC programme recently, will do nothing to bring any British soldiers back home. Instead it further distances the public from the reality that it is not OK to send young men and women into a conflict zone. Never mind the fact that these conflicts are not even ‘necessary evils’, as the two World Wars have been described. Young Brits are sent to fight in conflicts that kill horrific amounts of civilians under the pretence of what is a frankly Islamophobic ‘war against terror’, that has scary connotations of Samuel Huntington’s ‘Clash of Civilizations’.
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    Westminster creates this situation, which will only make Britain more of a target for extremism in the future; this situation being created because of political reasons rather than moral ones, while in the full knowledge that returning soldiers can be treated by charities which shouldn’t need to perform such a function. This should be an outrage to the British public. Yet it is not, it is embraced, with popular symbols and slogans, used to galvanize the public to show pride in their nation’s role in war; while ignoring the ugly reality of war and whether it is necessary.

    The Military Wives Choir achieving Christmas No 1. shows that an unwavering commitment to embracing war without questioning war, is strengthening. Well done to the Military Wives on their success, but in the long term, this success is hollow. It is just a smokescreen that clouds the public’s knowledge and perception of war. This will not help the Military Wives, it will not help soldiers fighting in the name of Britain, it will not help Britain’s security and it certainly won’t help civilians increasingly caught up in the horrors of conflict.
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    Matthew Vickery has worked previously for Palestine News Network covering the protest movement against the Israeli occupation in the West Bank. He is currently studying an MA Politics and International Relations at Aberdeen University and is a previous graduate of the Hunter Leadership Scholarship. He can be reached at: m.vickery.07@aberdeen.ac.uk. Read other articles by Matthew.
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    http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/01/military-wives-choirs-smokescreen-of-success/

  15. So much for freedom of speech in this ‘democracy’.
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    Iranian news network Press TV has had its licence to broadcast in the United Kingdom revoked by communications watchdog Ofcom.
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    The London-based channel, whose presenters include former MP George Galloway and Tony Blair’s sister-in-law Lauren Booth, will go off the air on Friday.
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    A statement released by the watchdog said it was apparent that “editorial control of the channel rested with Press TV International (based in Tehran)” – in breach of broadcasting rules which state the licence holder must have general control of programming.
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    It was also fined £100,000 after broadcasting an interview with a journalist while they were being held in an Iranian prison, which Ofcom said was “obtained under duress”.
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    The Ofcom statement said Press TV had “indicated it is unwilling and unable to pay” the fine.
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    The regulator said it gave Press TV Limited the opportunity to apply to have its operations in Tehran correctly licensed but failed to do so
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01/20/iranian-press-tv-knocked-_n_1218607.html?1327068237
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    Nothing on ZBC since this partial report on 28 Dec 2011.
    {http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16317282}

  16. Forensic testing?? Oh yes. What a travesty.
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    20 January 2012 Last updated at 14:18
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    No prosecutions over Taliban finger removal
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    MoD
    The MoD says training will be reinforced for service personnel fighting the Taliban
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    Three British soldiers accused of chopping off the fingers of dead Taliban will not be prosecuted.
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    Military police investigated reports the fingers may have been kept as a trophies of war but found they had been taken for forensic testing.
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    The case involved two officers and a soldier thought to be from the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (5 Scots).
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16651610

  17. Rama – “In military jargon, “casualties” are constituted of the wounded and dead, and I have always found it misleading to report only the dead”…
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    Indeed. In fact much modern ordnance is specifically designed to maim rather than kill, on the principle that a badly-wounded soldier may present a much bigger problem to his company than a dead one. That intent may not have been a factor in this particular case, but it’s a valid concern in general.
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    In guerilla warfare there’s an additional aim – polarisation. It’s one of the oldest traps in irregular warfare. Irregular combatants may not only disregard casualties to their own civilians, many of their acts are intended to provoke the other side into atrocity to aid recruitment and propaganda. Regular forces – especially those with poor leadership and excessive firepower – are often only too ready to oblige.

  18. Tony Benn last year on the cost of the Afghan war.
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    http://www.organizedrage.com/2011/09/what-is-true-cost-of-afghanistan-war.html

  19. Am I being too cynical?
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    The ever vigilant Mary has published the zioBBC debate about “terrorism the Olympics”, the day before yesterday.
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    Cue the “terrorist”;
    Street cordoned off over bomb fear
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    In contrast, the tanker driver who drove his fuel laden truck into his ex-wife’s bungalow, and then set it on fire, seems to be still at large. Find the story in Daily Mail et al.

  20. Mary, many have called OFCOM 0300 123 3333 and complained, as Press TV (once you get passed their pro Iranian government propaganda)is really fair source of information and it will be a shame not to have it, I myself go to their website as I refuse to have SKY, and maybe this will encourage few more to cancel their subscription :) ,

  21. Off topic:
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    Craig, around the time of the Cameron in Europe debacle, you made some interesting comments about the German economy. I wonder if you have seen this piece by someone called Keynes!
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    http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/alex-keynes/political-economy-fit-for-purpose-what-uk-could-learn-from-germany

  22. Ben Franklin

    20 Jan, 2012 - 4:33 pm

    Another OT.

    Israel backing off War Drum.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/barak-israel-very-far-off-from-decision-on-iran-attack-1.407953

    Why did Saddam stonewall UN inspectors? Because he didn’t want his enemies to know he had no WMD’s.

    There has been a lot of speculation about Iran’s nuclear intent. Many have said they are being truthful regarding peaceful nuke power. But, elemental hegemonists have been exploiting the disinformation to create doubt using the prickly and disingenuous patterns of Iran’s leadership to fan the flames. It appears even Israel is doubting their own intel, just as US should have doubted
    theirs prior to the invasion.

    I hope I’m not being too optimistic.

  23. Ben Franklin

    20 Jan, 2012 - 4:44 pm

  24. Ben Franklin, Beating drums of war for Iran has nothing to do with Nuclear weapon, just as invasion of Iraq did not have anything to do with WMD, or Nato and Libyan affair for that matter. it is to do with the governments of these countries switching from dollars to other currecies. It is always the matter of follow the money (in one form or another!).

    http://www.salon.com/2012/01/17/the_myth_of_an_isolated_iran/singleton/

  25. ‘Infiltration of local forces is a common tactic among insurgents anywhere, said Seth Jones, an expert on Afghanistan at the RAND Corp.’-the USA Today report Craig links to.

    So, if the incidence of trainees killing trainers increases, we should assume that the insurgency is gaining traction. We can also assume that NATO wishes to obscure this trend from the citizenry of the NATO countries affected. The latter proposition also gains credence from the repeated announcements from NATO spokespersons that the frequent helicoptor crashes involving NATO troops in Afghanistan are never the result of insurgent activity.

    As Philip Larkin once wrote- ‘useful to get that learnt’.

  26. Ben Franklin

    20 Jan, 2012 - 5:08 pm

    Azra;

    The public doesn’t understand about Petrodollars, and probably doesn’t care. Therefore, a cover story must be created. They DO understand fear of nukes, so there you have it.

  27. Azra,
    .
    I have spoken to OfCom Reference 1196908546 and their decision, which is final, is based on two points:
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    1. Non-payment of a £100,000 fine – When we review the adjudication and compare the infraction with similar contraventions by the BBC (I am preparing a list for possible litigation) we note that either OfCom have upheld complaints and issued no fine or the new Broadcasting Review Panel has disagreed with the decision made by OfCom and subsequently OfCom rescinded, giving way to the panel.
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    2. A paperwork error in the original license application that recorded that PressTV broadcasting authority resided in the UK which OfCom has said is incorrect as the Authority resides in Tehran.
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    British government’s hostile campaign against Press TV has its roots in the channel’s extensive and transparent coverage of the role that the British government played in the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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    I am currently preparing a satellite dish to receive PressTV from air on one of the following satellites:
    .

    Hot Bird 8 (13E)
    12437
    27500
    3/4
    H
    .
    Eurobird 1 (28.5E)
    11222
    27500
    2/3
    H
    .
    SES ASTRA (19/2E)
    12460.50
    27500
    3/4
    H
    .
    I will prepare a detailed dish installation sheet available at http://www.coia.org.uk/presstv over the weekend.

  28. Azra,
    .
    I have spoken to OfCom Reference 1196908546 and their decision, which is final, is based on two points:
    .
    1. Non-payment of a £100,000 fine – When we review the adjudication and compare the infraction with similar contraventions by the BBC (I am preparing a list for possible litigation) we note that either OfCom have upheld complaints and issued no fine or the new Broadcasting Review Panel has disagreed with the decision made by OfCom and subsequently OfCom rescinded, giving way to the panel.
    .
    2. A paperwork error in the original license application that recorded that PressTV broadcasting authority resided in the UK which OfCom has said is incorrect as the Authority resides in Tehran.
    .
    British government’s hostile campaign against Press TV has its roots in the channel’s extensive and transparent coverage of the role that the British government played in the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    .
    I am currently preparing a satellite dish to receive PressTV from air on one of the following satellites:
    .

    Hot Bird 8 (13E)
    12437
    27500
    3/4
    H
    .
    Eurobird 1 (28.5E)
    11222
    27500
    2/3
    H
    .
    SES ASTRA (19/2E)
    12460.50
    27500
    3/4
    H
    .
    I will prepare a detailed dish installation sheet available at {www.coia.org.uk/presstv} over the weekend.

  29. All know by now that a major purpose of governmental secrecy is to prevent the “people” (or the “voters”) from knowing what the government is doing, what the results are, and, generally, to destroy accountability. That’s how it is done in the USA and UK, I feel sure.

    So if a government purpose is to spend a whole lot of money on arms — presumably for the purpose of enriching the owners of the arms-making businesses — and they mask this purpose by a declared purpose to establish democracy in Afghanistan or on the Moon — well, what else would we expect than secrecy as to the progress of such declared purposes?

  30. Cross post from medialens re Press TV
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    The news headlines OFCOM don’t want you to see

    Posted by Vegetable Man on January 20, 2012, 5:17 pm

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    1. Ofcom finally forces PressTV off the air in Britain
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    2. Military threat to Iran.
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    3. Saudi Arabia street protests.
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    4. Young boy latest victim of Saudi backed crackdown in Bahrain.

    BEAT THE OFCOM BAN – WATCH PRESS TV HERE:
    Online: http://www.presstv.com/live.html
    On Free To Air Satellite:
    HOTBIRD 13.0E – 12015H & 12437H
    ASTRA 1 19.2E – 12460H

    .

    Posted by Vegetable Man on January 20, 2012, 5:28 pm, in reply to “The news headlines OFCOM don’t want you to see”
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    6. Further Egyptian protests.
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    7. Syrian rally rejects foreign intervention.
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    8. Rubber bullets fired at Occupy protestors in California.

    ~~~~
    Enough said.

  31. So let’s get this straight – we complained like hell when the Soviets jammed our broadcasts. We also bombed the Aljezeera offices in Iraq, killed numerous staff, locked more staff up in Guantanamo despite knowing they had nothing to do with the G.W.O.T, and eventually banned the whole station from Iraq. Then we complain about a lack of freedom of the press in dictatorships we don’t approve of.

    When an Official Enemy doesn’t allow our broadcasts, that’s a Bad Thing. When we don’t allow theirs, that’s just as it should be. It’s good to be clear and consistent on such matters.

  32. They are toning down the rhetoric regarding Iran:
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    “Panetta admits Iran not developing nukes”
    {http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/09/panetta-admits-iran-not-developing-nukes/}
    .
    “Israel: No Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program; Barak: Any decision to Strike Iran ‘Far off’.”
    {http://www.juancole.com/2012/01/israel-no-iranian-nuclear-weapons-program-barak-any-decision-to-strike-iran-far-off.html}
    .
    Juan Cole discusses the whys and wherefores at the link above.
    .
    Meanwhile, currency issues and sanctions:
    “Iran and Russia drop dollar for their own currencies in bilateral trade”
    {http://www.anirudhsethireport.com/iran-and-russia-drop-dollar-for-their-own-currencies-in-bilateral-trade/}
    .
    Iran has also replaced the dollar in its oil trade with India, China and Japan. Many in the West think that US sanctions will prove useless – and that Europe is bloody stupid to promise the same.

  33. “Israel believes Iran itself has not yet decided whether to make a nuclear bomb, according to intelligence assesment to be presented later this week to U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Dempsey.”
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/barak-israel-very-far-off-from-decision-on-iran-attack-1.407953

  34. Mark Golding : I would love to have Hot Bird dish, not only for Press TV, but also there are other Persian language channels which my hubby would to watch to improve his Farsi! looking forward to the details.

  35. “When an Official Enemy doesn’t allow our broadcasts, that’s a Bad Thing. When we don’t allow theirs, that’s just as it should be.”
    .
    I think that’s what kills me, the blatant hypocrisy. And that it’s swallowed without comment by the general public, by and large.

  36. I meant would love to watch!

  37. A few years ago…. http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175128

    ”…in 2003, handed the task off to a private for-profit military contractor, DynCorp, ”

  38. http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/presstv
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    Thank-you folks and bless you.

  39. Craig, on channelling money to the arms industry, have you read this especially gross example, reported by Reuters, on equiping Afghan forces? Summed up by: “We have no clue how to operate the weapons that NATO gives us.”

    One lowlight is the US supplied the Afghans with some $4 million each Stryker armored fighting vehicles. These are computer controlled vehicles, so Afghan “squaddies” are expected to learn to read Latin script, if not English! I’m sure this is nicely profitable for some US manufacturer, but not that useful for the Afghans:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/01/us-afghanistan-training-idUSTRE7A01HN20111101

    “The United States poured in a record amount, near $12 billion between October 2010 and September 2011, to train and equip Afghanistan’s security forces. Almost as much cash, some $11 billion, is planned for the year through September 2012.

    … Another U.S. official in Kabul, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the mission was buying up high-tech equipment to satisfy Washington, while more basic needs were ignored.

    The mismatch between skills and high-tech equipment has even prompted Afghan President Hamid Karzai to make a plea for a focus on sustainable training.”

  40. O/T The Middletons including Kate are off to the Caribbean for their winter holiday in the sun. Two plods go along for her security. Wills could not make it but will join her later. In the meantime, he and Harry have managed to get away for a weekend’s killing of wildlife on the Duke of Westminster’s estate in Seville. A mere 15,000 hectares.
    .
    http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2007/12/07/the-princes-secret-spanish-playground/
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    Kate jets off for Middleton family holiday in the Caribbean… and leaves William at work on chilly Anglesey
    {http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2089525/Kate-Middleton-leaves-Prince-William-Anglesey-jets-Caribbean-family-holiday.html}
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    Such austere times.

  41. The French reaction is just election posturing by Sarkozy. They will continue to do whatever the Americans tell them.

  42. Craig – you talk as although the only foreign interference in Afghanistan comes from Nato and Russia – this is just not true as the Taleban have been influenced by forms of Islamic fundamentalism that are also quite alien to the Afghans as well. One could probably argue about cause and effect until the cows come home and still not come upwith anything meaningful – but it is still the case that it is best to get all forms of foreign interference out of Afghanistan.

  43. Larry Levin…..FUCK OFF

  44. Here’s a story that hasn’t been suppressed:

    Jan. 19, 2012 (Reuters) — Violent sex crimes committed by active U.S. Army soldiers have almost doubled over the past five years, due in part to the trauma of war, according to an Army report released on Thursday.

    Reported violent sex crimes increased by 90 percent over the five-year period from 2006 to 2011. There were 2,811 violent felonies in 2011, nearly half of which were violent felony sex crimes. Most were committed in the United States.

    One violent sex crime was committed by a soldier every six hours and 40 minutes in 2011, the Army said

    http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre80j01c-us-army-health-report/

  45. Dick the Prick

    20 Jan, 2012 - 11:02 pm

    Fuck it, they’re only French!!

  46. get the presstv app for your phone or netbook .. it has live streaming of the channel and works just great.
    .
    watched bbcnews and skynews for around 35 mins around 8pm tonite and not a mention of the ofcom decision .. russia today gave the news in 5 minutes
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    must be prelude to conflict as another carrier reaches the persian gulf/strait of hormuz .. and israel still has those 9000 usa military deployed in its country.

  47. Is that supposed to be funny?

  48. Sorry Wendy, that was for “Dick”

  49. Wendy,
    The back pedalling, says otherwise. PressTV was silenced, as yet another attempt in the attenuation of the truth, that is so hard to come by in the Western Media, these days.
    ,
    How will this suppression reflect in other parts of the world?

  50. @Azra
    “I would love to have Hot Bird dish, not only for Press TV, but also there are other Persian language channels which my hubby would to watch to improve his Farsi! looking forward to the details.”

    if you have satellite dish directed for Astra, just move it to Hotbird.
    or change converter to dual satellite (in that case the decoder must have the switch but that is common).
    sometimes the cheap satellite finder – around £5 is sufficient, easier with dedicated compass using the guide klike that http://www.satsig.net/maps/satellite-tv-dish-pointing-uk-ireland.htm
    the only question is if there are FTV (Free To View) channels in Farsi. for scrambled channels you need a card

  51. NATO denying deaths? How absurd.Following this,ahem,logic,we could have a war,then,whereby nobody ever died(official stats)despite there being millions of grieving relatives and friends??
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    Fuckin’ fools.
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    Verily it becomes more like Dr.Strangelove by the day.They are just soooo fuckin’ dumb-and that’s what will undo them at end.Just so damn thick.Pardon my French.

  52. Howard T. Lewis III

    21 Jan, 2012 - 5:13 am

    In the jungle, ignorance is never a survival technique.

  53. Off topic – just noticed that Liam Fox has been busy schmoozing in Canada in late November in a kind of Foreign Secretary role at the Halifax International Security Forum…he looks a bit odd described as a Member of Parliament among all the “cabinet ministers and senior government officials, 4-star generals, justices of supreme courts, legislators, business leaders, journalists, writers, academics, and leaders from prominent think tanks and NGOs.”
    . Perhaps his invite had plopped onto the doormat of Atlantic Bridge sometime before October? “Halifax is kept small to generate an intimate atmosphere and an intense focus where real work can get done.” I’m sure he had time to have a word with Ehud Barak, Amos Gilad, Miriam Ziv and co…

  54. Thanks Felix. Interesting list of fascists and warmongers. Noticed McCain – Bomb bomb bomb Iran – and Human Rights Watch! there.

    .
    Fox was there in this capacity in 2010
    .
    Liam Fox
    Minister of Defence
    United Kingdom
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    but I saw no mention of Werrity. Perhaps he was using an alias.

  55. £7 million is being spent on a Diamond Jubilee medal to be given to the police, armed forces, emergency services and prison staff. Unbelievable. Overseen by that twit Hunt.

    .
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8917998/Royal-Mint-loses-the-Queens-diamond-jubilee-medal.html

  56. ‘£7 million is being spent on a Diamond Jubilee medal to be given to the police, armed forces, emergency services and prison staff. Unbelievable. Overseen by that twit Hunt’
    Rattle a tin for the securocrats.

  57. @Tigger, Thanks for the info.

  58. On a completely different subject – please read this blog. Sue Marsh has been one of the leading figures in the preparation of the Spartacus Report and has nearly killed herself in the process.
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    http://diaryofabenefitscrounger.blogspot.com/

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    She is one helluva lady. Incidentally other members of the Spartacus report team are now in hospital, one in intensive care, because of their activity overwhelming their available strength (Spoonies)

    .
    Please support the sick and disabled in their fight against the government. I’m perhaps biased, as I am the carer for my husband who has been disabled for the last twelve and a half years – but I know from other carers just how badly affected some of their friends/relations are finding themselves, and through no fault of their own.

  59. Sir John Nott (remember him walking out of a TV interview in a bad temper when Maggie’s war on the Falklands was being carried out?) and Simon Weston, one of the wounded, were both in full flow just now on Sky News putting the case for the continued occupation of the Falklands and talking down an Argentinian academic, Prof Guillermo Makin, a politics professor at Belgrano University in Buenos Aires. It was ‘ya boo sucks we’re the king of the castle, get down you dirty rascal’ stuff from the two British who jeered and interrupted.
    .
    Nott was speaking from his home in Dorset which looked very plush and furnished in that Osborne and Little style beloved of the upper classes. Presumably a camera team and satellite van had been despatched by Sky to Dorset. No expense spared in order to get the message carried.
    .
    Is it not provocative to be sending William of Wales to do a six month stint in Las Malvinas?

    http://securitydiplomacy1.wikidot.com/

  60. 1) PROTEST NEXT SATURDAY 28 JAN, 2PM – HANDS OFF IRAN & SYRIA
    .
    The first major protest against an attack on Iran and Syria is scheduled for next Saturday, January 28, outside the US Embassy in Grosvenor Square, London. The prospect of a new war in the Middle East is growing. As well as tightening sanctions, covert operations, assassinations and cyber attacks on Iran there is clear evidence of hostile US troop movements in to the region. The right in the US is pushing hard for intervention and these kind of provocations could spark war at any time. Meanwhile calls for intervention in Syria are getting louder and, as Jonathan Steele reported in the Guardian this week, there is a NATO backed military build up on Syria’s borders too.
    .
    We need to start mobilising the anti-war majority now to swing the argument away from war. We are asking our supporters to do everything possible to publicise this protest and organise other protests and meetings locally.
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    For more information or to help organise in youyr area please phone the office on 0207 801 2768.

    .
    2) FRANCE SUSPENDS OPERATIONS IN AFGHANISTAN
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    On Friday four French soldiers were shot dead by a member of the Afghan army. Contrary to claims that the situation in Afghanistan is stabilising, the incident highlights the growing violence in the country.
    .
    Like similar incidents where Afghan soldiers have turned ther guns on their trainers, this one also highlights the deep flaws in the US-NATO strategy of training up the Afghan army in the hope of leaving behind a pliant and effective client regime.
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    France has effectively suspended operations in Afghanistan in response, and sent a probe to consider whether accelerating withdrawal of troops. This is good news amid a grim situation. Cessation of military operations and withdrawal of foreign troops is the only way to stem the bloodshed. We have to continue building pressure for withdrawal and hope the French actions will send a message to the US and UK governments.

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    http://stopwar.org.uk/

  61. Will this guy be charged with advocating terrorism and locked up? or hit with a drone attack? (I think not):
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    Uproar after Jewish American newspaper publisher suggests Israel assassinate Barack Obama
    Op-ed in Atlanta Jewish Times says the slaying of the president may be an effective way to thwart Iran’s nuclear program.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/uproar-after-jewish-american-newspaper-publisher-suggests-israel-assassinate-barack-obama-1.408429

  62. Who cares about Press TV? They forced an imprisoned journalist against his will to be interviewed which broke very useful rules. When they didn’t pay their fine and continued to act like asses they got their license revoked.
    .
    Good.

  63. By the way, who is Larry Levin and why is everyone being so nasty to him?

  64. I was wondering the same about Larry Levin.

  65. “Who cares about Press TV?”
    Certainly not the ziofuckwits, as the rantings and ravings prove.
    ,
    However in internet we trust and I have been watching and I am sure others will soon be getting their dishes and watch it too. As this egregious attack on freedom of expression could be to the advantage of the shitty little strip of land the following sums up the extent of the victory;
    ,
    On the NBC show Rock Center the other night, Ted Koppel asked Newt Gingrich why Sheldon Adelson is funding his campaign Super PAC
    ,
    ,

    Koppel: There has to be a so-what at the end of it. So– if you win what does Adelson get out of it?
    ,
    ,
    Gingrich. He knows I’m very pro Israel. That’s the central value of his life. I mean, he’s very worried that Israel is going to not survive.
    ,
    ,
    ,
    PS when ITV was broadcasting the fake reports of the concentration camps in Serbia, or zioBBC refers to “vandals” and not settlers, Ofcom is benevolent and all forgiving.

  66. BTW the clever move by PressTV in not paying up the fines has really pissed off the “plotters” hasn’t it? (as seen on display)
    ,
    The notions were, first take their (Iranians) money, and then come up with the crass rolling about the “constitution” and remit bollocks; editorial control is from Tehran.
    ,
    Yeah how very true, the editorial control ought to have been in Tel Aviv like the rest of the pusillanimous wankers masquerading as the Media.

  67. Iran reciprocates ‘backing off’?
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    Iran: American warships in Persian Gulf “routine”
    An Iranian military official announced on Saturday that the presence of the American warships in the Persian Gulf is no more than routine. “US warships and military forces have been in the Arabian Gulf and the Middle East region for many years and their decision in relation to the dispatch of a new warship is not a new issue and it should be interpreted as part of their permanent presence,” Hossein Salami, Deputy Commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps, was quoted by Al Arabiya television as saying. The announcement has been interpreted as backing away from Iran’s earlier warnings to the US not to enter the area.
    http://rt.com/news/line/2012-01-21/#id25301

  68. Who cares about Press TV?
    WE care.
    .

    You can watch Press TV broadcast from anywhere in the world by visiting the following websites:

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    Press TV watch live services (Worldwide)

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    Zattoo (Internet platform and IPTV. Supports PC, MAC, Linux and all tablet PCs and smartphones) (UK)

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    OHTV Box (Internet Set-top box) (Worldwide)

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    Roku Box (Internet Set-top box) (Worldwide) (Available in UK from January 2012)

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    Livestation (Internet platform. Supports PC MAC, Linux and all tablet PCs and smartphones)

    .

    You could also view our broadcast through the following satellites:
    Hot Bird 8 (13E)
    12437
    27500
    3/4
    H
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    Eurobird 1 (28.5E)
    11222
    27500
    2/3
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    SES ASTRA (19/2E)
    12460.50
    27500
    3/4
    H
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    http://www.presstv.com/detail/222136.html

  69. BREAKING NEWS:Islamist parties win overwhelming majority in Egyptian parliamentary elections, final results confirm
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    Note ZBC’s use of word ‘Islamist’.

  70. http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9683000/9683030.stm
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    an item on the publicy funded British state broadcaster this morning, no bias here we’re British !
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    actually being thrown off the sky platform is no big deal, it saves Press TV the fee it has to pay Sky (News International) for the privilige, the signal is still there, just takes a bit of work to find it. Phone up Sky and ask them how to put it on the Other Channels menu of the decoder.
    .
    Will Russia Today be next? It’s hardly pro-USA now is it?

  71. Mary: You can watch Press TV broadcast from anywhere in the world by visiting the following websites.
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    No big loss in it losing its broadcasting license in the UK then.
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    I don’t know why they didn’t simply accept the fine (a well deserved one, by the way) and then they’d be able to keep on transmitting Lord Haw Haw sermons.
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    I don’t approve of much of the demonization of Iran, but in this case I have no sympathy. Serves them right.

  72. @Angrysoba, firstly this was not the matter of fine, the licence was revoked and TV press knew that this was going to happen, therefore did not pay the fine either. Secondly if you read Mark Golding posts, you will see that other TV channels many times were out of line so to speak, they were just given a reprimand and not a fine. If I were TV press, I would not pay the fine , to pay the fine it is to accept the double standards of OFCOM.

  73. Despite Netanyahu denial, campaign to smear Haaretz as “enemy” of Israel already underway
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    Submitted by Ali Abunimah on Thu, 01/19/2012 – 20:12
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    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was quick to deny comments attributed to him that The New York Times and Haaretz are Israel’s greatest enemies. But despite his denials, there are signs that right-wing Zionist groups, funded by large donations from the United States, are preparing to launch a major campaign to smear Jewish Israeli journalists who are perceived as being too critical or disloyal as feeding “anti-Semitism.”
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/despite-netanyahu-denial-campaign-smear-haaretz-enemy-israel-already-underway
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    are we now going to see the demise of Haaretz?

  74. Azra: If I were TV press, I would not pay the fine , to pay the fine it is to accept the double standards of OFCOM.

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    Which other stations beat up a journalist and made him “confess” on their news programme?
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    It doesn’t matter that OFCOM doesn’t dish out the same fines for every single infraction. What matters is what Press TV did and also their non-compliance when it came to paying a well-earned fine.

  75. Nuid: are we now going to see the demise of Haaretz?

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    I doubt it and I also hope not. Ha’aretz is a great source of news.

  76. When an Official Enemy doesn’t allow our broadcasts, that’s a Bad Thing. When we don’t allow theirs, that’s just as it should be. It’s good to be clear and consistent on such matters.

    .
    Well, yes, Iran does jam BBC broadcasts and in these parts, “that’s just as it should be”. On the other hand, Press TV is not being banned primarily for its propaganda but because it was party to an interview co-erced by torture. Now, in my book, “that’s a Bad Thing.” You may disagree and think the exotic behaviour of Press TV is all part of life’s rich pageant that only fuddy-duddy squares protest against but I think that stripping them of their license to broadcast is more than apt given that they could have got away with a simple fine but chose to play the martyr. Looks like they have no shortage of dupes who will fall for their act, of course.

  77. Angrysoba, I think it will enlighten you if you read the first book Miss Ridley wrote before she converted to Islam! How the government agencies pushed her to say lies about the time she was kidnapped,and the treatment she received from Taliban, and how the agencies did not like it when she refused (and their reactions and subsequent actions).
    I have no doubt lot of atrocities goes on in Iran, but did they torture journalists to say something then released him to go and claim he has been tortured and what he confessed was under duress?

  78. Israeli Lobby launch new Super PAC effort to bring down Ron Paul

    by Patrick Henningsen
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    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28776
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    PAC-Political Action Committee
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    For decades, lobbies and special interests have ruled Capitol Hill, with PACs effectively steering the outcome of every major political campaign by injecting money and buying influence. Now we find out that Texas Congressman and GOP candidate Ron Paul has been targeted by a new breed of PAC, this time with foreign backing.
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    In recent years, activists and advocates have won back some ground in terms of placing limits and disclosure on campaign donations from individuals, businesses and have attempted to rein in some of the financial influence of political action committees (PACs). Just when one dragon was slayed, another, more menacing one was born. Enter the world of the Super PAC.
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    As 501c organizations, these new Super PACs take advantage of recent election funding rulings which allow corporations, unions and wealthy individuals to operate totally independently – and spend as much as they wish on election campaign media packages. Super PACs can also hold fundraisers to solicit money from donors – with no limits. The rise of the Super PAC has meant a complete runaround of any campaign ethics, or campaign finance regulation.

    [...]
    .
    According to a recent article in the Washington Post (linked) this week, David Donnelly, National Campaigns Director for the Public Campaign Action Fund revealed, “There are probably fewer than 100 people who are fueling 90 percent of this outside money right now.” The report also adds:
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    In total, these new and unrestrained political action committees spent more than $15 million supporting GOP candidates in Iowa and New Hampshire and are now outspending the official campaigns in South Carolina by 2 to 1, according to advertising and expenditure data.
    .
    Out of this small handful of mega-rich donors, the Israeli lobby is represented heavily. The Washington Post adds here:
    .
    And casino magnate Sheldon Adelson recently dashed off a $5 million check to a group backing former House speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.), marking what may be the largest single political contribution in U.S. history. Adelson is well known for supporting hard-line policies favoring Israel while also advocating measures that would benefit the gambling industry.

    /….

  79. Very well said here.
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    Military Wives Choir’s Smokescreen of Success
    by Matthew Vickery / January 19th, 2012
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    It is almost the new taboo in the United Kingdom. To question ‘our troops fighting for our country’, and anything, anyone or any institution attached to ‘our troops’. By doing so, you open yourself up to being branded disrespectful at best, traitor at worst.
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    The Military Wives Choir, with their primetime BBC 2 programme, ended up outselling the rest of the top 10 combined on Sunday to win the coveted UK Christmas No. 1 spot. The nation celebrated the success of the women in the choir, women whose partners serve in the British Army in countries such as Afghanistan. However maybe this ‘groupthink’, this unconditional support for anything attached to ‘our troops’, is not in the benefit of those who fight for ‘our country’; the Military Wives Choir is a case in point.

    [...]
    .
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/01/military-wives-choirs-smokescreen-of-success/

  80. Azra: I have no doubt lot of atrocities goes on in Iran, but did they torture journalists to say something then released him to go and claim he has been tortured and what he confessed was under duress?

    .
    Are you saying Maziar Bahari is lying?

  81. If US politicians were seriously concerned for Israels survival,then they would perhaps curb the billions that are given them to buy,produce and use weapons bullying their neighbours.It’s business and it also suits US interests in that region.
    Israel has now painted itself into a corner by being successful with their ethnic cleansing of Palestine.They will have to become a single united state for Arabs as well.Either that or continue down the fascist nazi path that they have been treading for years and become the type of people that exterminated themselves.Talk about disappearing up your own asshole. They use plenty of banned weapons and substances on the Palestinian population but they are still there!Will the peace prize winners begin building ovens to complete the job ?
    If Israel or the US attacks Iran, then Israel will be the big loser in all ways while Iran will walk away with a bloody nose, shocked and awed by the US arsenal.
    Difficult to play the victim when you have 300 nukes that you will ultimately die using.None of their neighbours have anything like the weapons that Israel have. Their problem is that they cant use them because no-one is attacking them.Hezbollah in Lebanon showed them what they have to fight against and the result didnt make the IDF very happy.

  82. “but did they torture journalists to say something then released him to go and claim he has been tortured and what he confessed was under duress?”
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    Azra, I saw him interviewed on Sky – or a part of an interview he gave was shown on Sky, when they reported the revocation of PressTV’s license. That’s exactly what I was wondering (what you said above). He said he was given the choice of doing the interview or death. He then said his captors were “feeding the questions to PressTV” and it was he who complained PressTV to OFCOM after he was released and came to the UK. I must say I find all that rather hard to follow … it’s an outcome that could have been predicted.
    .
    Has PressTV given any answer to his allegations? I haven’t seen that anywhere.

  83. What I am saying is it is possible! As I said if you read Ms Ridley book, and how they tried to push her into lying about Taliban and the treatment she had, I would not put it pass them to push Maziar Bahari to lie as well. but irrespective of that , OFCOM informed Press TV
    months ago that they were going to be taken off the SKY platform, I believe they were informed of this so that Press TV would not pay and OFCOM will have an added excuse to revoke their licence. (Give us the money but we are going to take you off the air just the same!).
    Yes Iran is Jamming BBC now, in retaliation, but during the past 5 years whenever I have been in Iran, I have watched BBC, CNN, FOX and every other channel. What is good for goose is good for Sauce , don’t you think??

  84. @Nuid,
    Yes, exactly my sentiments. At one time I would have believed what I watched/read, but not any more! I see what a scumbags we are dealing with in UK media and I hardly believe anything coming from them or their sources. I mean look at Syria and the way it is reported in UK .Lot of exaggeration and lies. Not that there is no demonstration but it is limited to one or two cities and much smaller number of people that ZBC reports!

  85. Azar: What I am saying is it is possible! As I said if you read Ms Ridley book, and how they tried to push her into lying about Taliban and the treatment she had, I would not put it pass them to push Maziar Bahari to lie as well
    .
    I don’t know who “they” are so it is difficult to know what you are alledging. I read Maziar Bahari’s article that appeared in Newsweek a few years ago and followed this story on and off for a while. I think he is genuine. You may not. If he’s genuine then your goose and gander cliches don’t apply here.

  86. Larry Levin: I don’t know what you wrote to make Craig tell you to crawl away, but you need to be a little thick-skinned in this place. But I must admit that I dropped out of sight myself once a year or two ago, when one discussion got heated enough to disturb my peace of mind when writing a postgraduate dissertation. I realised that my work had the priority, and so stayed away from here till I had handed it in. Then I gradually returned (and the dissertation eventually passed, I’m glad to say).

    I suggest that you remain calm and rational at all times, so that, even should the Great C himself tell you crawl away, you will be able to counter calmly and rationally.

    But perhaps you deserved the rebuke. In that case I suggest that you sincerely repent.

    There ends my good deed for the day. Of course, should anyone tell me to crawl wherever, I will be happy to disobey them.

  87. Abe Rene: But I must admit that I dropped out of sight myself once a year or two ago, when one discussion got heated enough to disturb my peace of mind when writing a postgraduate dissertation.
    .
    If I was responsible I apologize.

  88. Angrysoba, they that I refer to, are the agencies in UK (MI5, MI6), and goose and gander I am referring to is the fact that Iran has started recently to block BBC (or Jam their signals), they only started recently in response to the Press TV shenanigan . I was in Iran in late August and I could watch BBC via satellite , but I have been told by my relatives in Iran that they cannot watch BBC any longer.

  89. Angrysoba: that’s all right. I probably started it by making an unsympathetic statement about people who get mixed up in left-wing revolutions, but let’s not go there. Nelson Mandela after 27 years of imprisonment could say ‘let the past be the past’, which makes him a spiritual giant in my book, who deserved his Order of Merit. I’m happy to follow his example here.

  90. Israeli Lobby launch new Super PAC effort to bring down Ron Paul

    by Patrick Henningsen
    .
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28776
    .
    PAC-Political Action Committee
    .
    For decades, lobbies and special interests have ruled Capitol Hill, with PACs effectively steering the outcome of every major political campaign by injecting money and buying influence. Now we find out that Texas Congressman and GOP candidate Ron Paul has been targeted by a new breed of PAC, this time with foreign backing.
    [..]
    In total, these new and unrestrained political action committees spent more than $15 million supporting GOP candidates in Iowa and New Hampshire and are now outspending the official campaigns in South Carolina by 2 to 1, according to advertising and expenditure data.
    .
    Out of this small handful of mega-rich donors, the Israeli lobby is represented heavily. The Washington Post adds here:
    .
    And casino magnate Sheldon Adelson recently dashed off a $5 million check to a group backing former House speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.), marking what may be the largest single political contribution in U.S. history. Adelson is well known for supporting hard-line policies favoring Israel while also advocating measures that would benefit the gambling industry.

    /….

  91. Unbelievable. I thought we were withdrawing.
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    Army to build ‘Afghan compound’ on Salisbury Plain
    The new shipping container structures are designed to replicate Afghan houses
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    Compounds designed to replicate Afghan villages are to be built on Salisbury Plain to better prepare troops for deployment.
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    Defence Infrastructure Organisation (DIO) has been given planning permission to build 50 “simplified structures” at 27 sites on the plain.
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    The British Army runs major exercises on Salisbury Plain twice a year.
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    Lt Col Mark Hiskett said he was “delighted” as it would “enhance the realism of exercises for our soldiers”.
    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-16653733

  92. FAO anyone who cares;
    Maziar Bahari is a; publisher, play write, journalist, film maker, author, cook, bottle washer, and short of batman a philanthropist and part time crime fighter, and revolutionary and …… (you get the drift)
    ,
    He was picked up amidst the troubles ala failed colour revolution in Tehran and kept for 118 days and hours and minutes and seconds and nano, femto, atto seconds as his “book” tells. Throughout which the condescending little prick goes on about the “Interrogator” he calls Mr. Rosewater. To those uninitiated Iran being a hot country the working class try to keep fresh smelling through application of rosewater which is an affordable home grown product and does the trick as good as the more expensive scents Mr. Bahari is used to.
    ,
    The condescension in the Newsweek article starts by his description of sitting on a wooden tablet arm chair, evidently the oh so Canadian Dual national expected Louis Vuitton furniture, the poor soul! The almost contradictory story starts by his orders not to look up and write, although he could see from under his blindfold! (for his rick he will be driving Paris-Dakar Rally with his blindfold on too)
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    His torture most probably was calling him names and giving him working class fare for dinners. This Batman without a Robin almost comically recants his Mother’s house getting raided and the care taken by the agents whom have taken off their shoes at the door and left their footwear outside in the corridor, and keep constantly apologising for the inconvenience they may be the cause of, carefully searching the house and asking for permission before touching any of the items under investigation.
    ,
    This is the poster boy of dissent in Iran and the cause of the PressTV’s demise. Makes me fucking sick, between the rapacious oligarchs agents and charge hands, an in combination with the ziofuckwit monomaniacs, now I have to eat my beacon and egg without watching any TV News, until I have sorted out the PressTV set-up.
    ,
    ,

    PS what happened to the poor nurse Rebecca Leighton the nurse who was arrested over the deaths at Stepping Hill Hospital, and kept in jail and interrogated for months, and then let out? None of the fucking Media ever published her story of umpteen days of world of shit, but hey we know there are different standards for different groups of people. It used to be whites only water dispensers and toilets now it is whites only news outlets and coloured ones and the coloured ones just are plumb trouble makers and need to be kept in their place. You know boy, just like the bus arrangements, that worked so well for all those years.

  93. Wonderful – dontcha just love the lengths they go to achieve realism; these buggers should be on stage somewhere in rep.

    This is seriously disturbing – are they going to people these mock-ups with plaster cast models of youngsters, elderly grumps, catsndogs?

    So happy that little Mark is delighted – wouldn’t want him to be “disappointed” would we.

    May God forgive us.

  94. They did it before in Norfolk Rose but I think there was such a stink about the mosque being included, they altered the plan. Ingo might know what the outcome was.
    .
    MoD builds Afghan village in Norfolk
    An Afghan village with a mosque, markets and suicide bombers has been unveiled by the Ministry of Defence – in the middle of Norfolk.
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/5256219/MoD-builds-Afghan-village-in-Norfolk.html
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    They are not mental. They are evil. Note the inclusion of the smell of rotting meat.

  95. In Libya, angry protesters have stormed the offices of the National Transitional Council (NTC) in the eastern city of Benghazi.
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    ,
    Mary,
    That is to get the boys ready for the rotting flesh that is strewed across the land in Afghanistan, all that shooting and blowing up leaves a great deal of “collateral bis” and the uncleanliness thereof, the smell of death always is hanging around the place.
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    ,
    PS my comment is gone awry looks like.

  96. That’s awful Mary – am ashamed to say that passed me by.

    Another irony – apart from the smell of rotting meat (perhaps the whiff of their own decaying humanity) is the support they had in this delightful enterprise from Natural England (who they?)and the tender concern expressed for wildlife.

    Dear Christ.

  97. Mary, Rose,
    I also gather there are some Afghan personnel flown in and housed in or around the projects, for injecting more realism, however the stories of these guys getting stoned and drunk out of their skulls is stuff of gossip.

  98. Fedup – you use the present tense – and Mary’s link refers to a 3 year old news item. Do you know what the state of play is now with this particular story? Were the MOD shown the door by the parish council? I note the proposed venue for this outrage was in the area of Lakenheath and Mildenhall.

  99. Rose,
    It is still going on. The new batches getting sent there need to be trained and made ready. However, this kind of information is no longer making it out.

  100. “Kalispell Montana Depression”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcSIZg4wlgo

  101. “I also gather there are some Afghan personnel flown in and housed in or around the projects, for injecting more realism, however the stories of these guys getting stoned and drunk out of their skulls is stuff of gossip.”
    .
    What are you on?? A body is a body is a body. The Telegraph link from 2009 about Norfolk says:
    “The MoD employs Gurkhas who have done active service for the British and amputees from the charity Amputees for Action, to act as villagers, insurgents and injured soldiers.”
    .
    Flying in ‘Afghan personnel’ my arse. I’ve never heard anything so stupid in my life.

  102. “The area was originally a replica Nazi village built in 1942 and has previously been transformed to resemble settlements in Northern Ireland and Bosnia.”
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    If these guys aren’t playing with video games they’re playing with Lego. What on earth (major) difference is there between a village anywhere in Britain and a German village, a Northern Irish “settlement” (?) or a Bosnian one? All they need is practise at running in and out of buildings and shooting and throwing hand grenades … jeeze … war “games” is right. Boys with toys.

  103. “Flying in ‘Afghan personnel’ my arse. I’ve never heard anything so stupid in my life.”,
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    World according to Nuid; So obtuse, and so certain.
    ,
    Ever thought you are not perhaps close enough to; in the know circle?
    ,

  104. Oh my bad, Irish don’t get to know much of what is happening in Yorkshire.

  105. You’re in the “in the know circle, are you?”
    lmao

  106. Laugh all you want, still makes no difference to you; you are out of it, as your stupid comments reflect.
    ,
    Funny who you bump into on the net, isn’t it?

  107. “Funny who you bump into on the net, isn’t it?”
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    It is indeed. Like idiots who claim the military are going to make a bunch of shipping containers more ‘realistic’ as Afghan villages, by flying in real Afghans to hang around them. (And then manages to throw in a reference to these “Afghans” getting “stoned and drunk out of their skulls”.)
    Don’t miss your doctor’s appointment. And by the way, drop the Fedup/Passerby sock puppetry. It’s glaringly obvious.
    G’night now

  108. Larry Levin – might have been confused with old ‘larry of the deep’, andor might have had a comment that came through as incorrigible. Im sure the offence was debated at the time. Move on then as we would…

  109. Ben Franklin

    22 Jan, 2012 - 4:09 am

    Nice to know incivility and snark are not Amerikkkan traits exclusively.

    Blame the influx of immigratiion.

  110. Nice to know incivility and snark are not Amerikkkan traits exclusively.
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    Bit of a snarky spelling there, don’t you think?

  111. angrysoba – he/it/they qualified ‘exclusively’ ,jeez start reading whole sentences someday :p
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    fedup if you do popup as passerby – you should declare as normal commenting rules. And ‘the know circle’ was very meet the faulkers.
    .
    I saw Newt Gingrich on weird-bbc-news-24, on americas most evil uncle, family munster podium party. There was a perfectly composed child and an assortment of familial grins feeding the camera, and a crowd chanting and whooping. Newt has a resemblence to larry flint, the inheritence-ebrity squillionaire.

  112. Shipping containers might not be so far fetched ! NATO send hundreds in each month to supply the troops but as far as I know Afghanistan exports very little apart from opium and heroin.That gets flown out by the CIA.So the containers stand empty.
    The Russians bombed their mud houses into rubble and US forces have been bombing and bulldozing that rubble into dust.
    Before I read Alexander , I played Risk for days on end as a kid and became aware of Afghanistan.Afghanistan and the Middle East were always lynchpin countries often deciding the outcome of games.
    In the same vein,North America was easily defended, but when it fell,it fell quickly.
    Boys will be boys !!

  113. Crab Ref Gingrich
    .
    Israeli Lobby launch new Super PAC effort to bring down Ron Paul

    by Patrick Henningsen
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    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28776

    [..]
    In total, these new and unrestrained political action committees spent more than $15 million supporting GOP candidates in Iowa and New Hampshire and are now outspending the official campaigns in South Carolina by 2 to 1, according to advertising and expenditure data.
    .
    Out of this small handful of mega-rich donors, the Israeli lobby is represented heavily. The Washington Post adds here:
    .
    And casino magnate Sheldon Adelson recently dashed off a $5 million check to a group backing former House speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.), marking what may be the largest single political contribution in U.S. history. Adelson is well known for supporting hard-line policies favoring Israel while also advocating measures that would benefit the gambling industry.

    /…

  114. Very depressing.
    .
    South Carolina poll: Gingrich triumphs over Romney
    Newt Gingrich: “We can rebuild the America that we love”
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    Newt Gingrich has convincingly beaten Mitt Romney in South Carolina’s primary election, the latest leg in the battle to be the Republican candidate in November’s US presidential poll.
    .
    With almost all votes counted, Mr Gingrich had 40% to Mr Romney’s 28%
    .
    /…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16669714

  115. @Mary, what is depressing ?? that NG won in South Carolina’s primary? they are all as bad as each other, and in any case what difference it makes who wins the election? The man in the White house is but a puppet whose strings are pulled elsewhere.
    As you know recently the billionaire Sheldon Adelson rushed to NG’s aid by giving a USD five-million cheque to Winning Our Future, a Super PAC that supports Gingrich. Needless to say Adelson is a close friend of Netanyahu and owner of Israel paper Hayom which is credited with helping Nethan in 2009.

  116. Syria,
    .
    A reliable British ex SAS source working out of Dubai and training foreign fighters has revealed the U.K., France and Turkey are preparing for military intervention in Syria despite Hague’s denial.
    .
    Thousands of fighters are being armed with automatic weapons and receiving arms and communications training in Turkey and Iraq in a dual bid to create civil war and defeat forces loyal to President Assad.
    .
    The plan is to subdue Syria and Hezbollah before creating a naval ‘incident’ in the Straits of Hormuz.

  117. Thanks Mark for confirmation of what Aangirfan has been saying for some time, that Hague is employing Belhadj from Libya, of so-called AlQaida, to train mujahideen in Turkey.
    These are the so-called Muslims who are launching this Libya-style attack:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jIlJNFrS9qw/TxfWzKzmR3I/AAAAAAAAXUM/ZiCmEP7_RyM/s1600/Niqabitches-640×480.jpg
    They cover their faces piously, but underneath they make politics with the enemies of Islam, they spy on their fellow Muslims in the privacy of their own homes, they make politics against their brothers inside their own families, they cheat, they lie, they steal. When they find practising Muslims who have endured the oppression of dictatorships or Islamophobia, they persecute them for not worshipping them, like the Sufis worship the saints in their graves.
    .
    We cannot call it neo-Sufism for these so-called Muslims who demand respect for breaking all the principles of Islam, nor can we call it Salafism. My name for this group is Stupidism, because they actually believe that the Zionists are going to give them power in Muslim lands. Allah states in the Qur’an that if the Zionists are in power, they will not give us power even to the extent of the small dot on a date-stone.
    who has succesfully

  118. “fedup if you do popup as passerby – you should declare as normal commenting rules. And ‘the know circle’ was very meet the faulkers”
    ,
    Some divining going on there, mystique Meg don’t get a luck in, we are not back into; you are this and that and the other are we?
    ,
    Nuid is a lunatic episode awaiting to happen, hence the inane and moronic statements in her comments.
    ,
    Afghans do use shipping containers as their homes, due to their displacement and constant bombings that have turned their original mud built homes into dust and rubble. (can’t be even be arsed to look for the images and link these, due to worth of Nuid)
    ,
    Further, for some reason Nuid has it in her brain; Armies are careful spenders and take great care in spending their budgets, hence finds, the forwarded notions ridiculous. This is patently stemming from the extent of stupidity of someone who is out of it by a continent.
    ,
    Finally what is so unearthly for being in the “know”? Sometimes world is far more smaller than anyone of you can imagine. However, this does not sit well with your view of the world. Evidently, world is full of dead-bit under achievers, sitting in a basement and typing away on the internet. Healthy outlook for a bunch of “specially bright” and wonderful others whom have classified the world thus.
    ,
    Frankly, this is some kind of stupid fucking fight, that so often ziofuckwits engage in to “run out” their “enemy”, because the mundane facts do not merit the ire that is contained in the comments in this thread.

  119. I was going to say that Belhadj has succesfully given Hague the excuse to abandon the Gibson investigation into Torture and Rendition. This limits the enquiry to two cases of rendition who will be given compensation. This will be further sidelined into bad apples in the intelligence services, who will not eventually be found.

  120. Mark Golding – Children Of Iraq,
    That is one of the reasons for taking on Syria form the start, a clear case of Qatar/US/Saudi wishful thinking.
    ,
    As you already know Eric Prince having sold his firm, disappeared from the scene and set up shop in Qatar. He has been busy getting up to his old tricks, and playing Danny Dravot (Sean Connery) to Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani as in The Man Who Would Be King film.
    ,
    However, to take the words of these carpet baggers and come to believe in some kind of fait accompli, would be a mistake. So far as the incident in Hormuz goes, during the recent naval manoeuvres there were enough to start four wars, if the appetite for war was there.
    ,
    Why do you think this specimen; Andrew Adler, is calling for Obama’s assassination as in J.F.K fashion? Atlanta Jewish Times proprietor Andrew Adler in an op ed has advised Netanyahu;”Give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out Obama in order for the current vice president to take his place.”
    ,
    The current tug of war on Syria is not likely to finish as in Libya, despite the shrill Media sound bites. This game is going to be played out for sometime yet to come.
    ,
    Finally, curious that your sources have mentioned Iraq, and Turkey involvement, but not Jordan, why do you think that is Mark?

  121. fedup – Finally what is so unearthly for being in the “know”?
    .
    You didnt put it like that, it was the expression that was cheesy. Whats that i must be a dead bit under achiever? well i never…

  122. Brand new on Obomber’s You Tube channel. Pandering to Israel.
    .
    America and Israel – An Unbreakable Bond
    http://www.youtube.com/user/BarackObamadotcom#p/u/2/izUkZpTft2w.

  123. “Afghans do use shipping containers as their homes, due to their displacement and constant bombings that have turned their original mud built homes into dust and rubble. (can’t be even be arsed to look for the images and link these, due to worth of Nuid)
    ,
    Further, for some reason Nuid has it in her brain; Armies are careful spenders and take great care in spending their budgets, hence finds, the forwarded notions ridiculous. This is patently stemming from the extent of stupidity of someone who is out of it by a continent.”

    .
    Talking rubbish again.
    What I found ridiculous was your comment thus:
    “I also gather there are some Afghan personnel flown in and housed in or around the projects, for injecting more realism, however the stories of these guys getting stoned and drunk out of their skulls is stuff of gossip.”
    .
    If you’re going to waffle, waffle on-point and stop trying to change the subject.
    .
    “Some divining going on there, mystique Meg don’t get a luck in, we are not back into; you are this and that and the other are we?”
    .
    Yes. Every word out of your mouth screams Passerby (and vice versa). Your terminology, your “grammar” (or lack thereof), your punctuation, your references to things that are “forwarded” here, rather than “posted” here, etc etc. Just cut it out and use one name and one name only. This has nothing to do with “ziofuckwits” whatsoever – and Jon asked you to stop using that expression, if I recall?? This has to do with sock puppetry, pure and simple.
    Now I’m done with you. You’re not worth my time.

  124. Crab,
    There you go again, you are telling me how I put it!!!!!!!!
    ,
    Not that; how you took it, the fucking wrong way that is, no, nah, never, not in a months of Sundays.
    ,

  125. Now you got me on Crammer too, go to town on it!

  126. “references to things that are “forwarded” here, rather than “posted” here, etc etc.”
    ,
    There is only one person who posts here, and that is “Craig”, the rest or us, you included, “comment” or “forward”, get your facts right, and be courteous to your host at least.
    ,
    As for the rest Inspector Clouseau, you got me bang to right; I have no license for the monkey (opening scene of one of the pink panther films).
    ,

  127. Nuid

    A ziofuckwit is in my opinion a beautiful expression, that quite unfortunately, has not yet made an entry into the OED. I cannot understand why you do not feel honoured to be called that way. If you can think of a more fitting description for yourself then let us know. But please watch your grammar.

  128. Ok no biggie, just a few shoves to keep us grounded.

  129. Wise words from Fidel Castro. He speaks of nuclear weapons and who holds them, the threats against Iran and Afghanistan.
    .
    ‘Afghani President Karzai stated that the outrage committed against the bodies was “simply inhumane.” He asked for the US government “to urgently investigate the video and apply the most severe punishment to anyone found guilty in this crime.”
    .
    Meanwhile Taliban spokespersons declared that “over the last ten years, hundreds of similar acts have been carried out that were not reported…”
    .
    One even feels sorry for those soldiers, thousands of kilometers away from their family, friends and country, sent to fight in countries that they might not have even heard of during their school days, where they are assigned the task of killing or dying to enrich transnational companies, arms manufacturers and unscrupulous politicians who each year squander funds needed to feed and educate the uncountable millions of hungry and illiterate people around the world.
    .
    Many of these soldiers, victims of the trauma suffered, end up taking their own lives.
    .
    Is it an exaggeration to say that world peace is hanging by a thread?

    .
    World Peace Hanging By A Thread

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28791

  130. Afghanistan is a farce because it is clear now that Osama bin Laden planned 9/11 jointly with the Zionists to give the UK and US empires a taste of their own divide and rule medicine.
    To exhaust themselves with expenditure which they could not afford and unjustified violence. An alliance of the rabid rabbis and mad mullahs. The West is not just divided but seriously dismembered between humanists like Craig and racists who have lapped up the Islamophobic propaganda of the Zionist controlled media.
    .
    The professional militaries of all parties, UKUSIS and Stupidism, alias AlQaida, have much to congratulate themselves about for having excelled on the battlefield and cut many ordinary people from their safety and/lives. they could each one of them step with honour to the scaffold like Saddam Hussain in the knowledge that they have despatched many souls to the grave.
    This is the logic of the military mind, that they survived.
    .
    The logic of the politician is that however much distress they impose on humanity, the people will have to cope and through the trauma re-identify with their humanity, religion, family or sanity.
    .
    I read about a guru who claimed to be so close to God that every week he had to sleep with his female followers to stop himself floating away to heaven in the clouds. The logic of the military and the politician is the same. We saved the world from its bored complacency, and had fun for ourselves. Nice work if you can get it and with prats like Hague in power, Stupidism looks set to thrive.

  131. Mary,
    Ever heard the story of the German trooper caught skull fucking a dead Afghan’s skull? The young chap was posing for photos with his gentile inserted into the eye socket of the skull, caused an uproar in Germany.
    ,
    This kind of remains desecration is against rules of war, and Geneva Conventions. However given the degrees of dehumanisation of the Afghans, and Muslims, the ill educated and testosterone oozing youngsters tasked with killing them, have been so geed-up to kill, and get their guts blown out, and come back to ask for a second helping. Bored with long lengths of their deployments, and suffering from low moral, caught-up in an evident endless war. These combined, have yielded a distinct lack of discipline, with these soldiers behaving as a bunch of mercenaries on low pay and out for booty in the theatres they are deployed.
    ,
    These young killers on their return to their own towns, and cities, present a danger to themselves as well as their families and neighbours. He sheer waste of human asset in addition to the waste of funds and resources amount to staggering losses, yet the evil enterprise of war goes on.
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    Guano
    Must try the guru line sometimes to see if there are any takers? Thanks for the laugh there. However, it should be understood that, if Blair had gone to the treasury and asked for say sixteen million pounds to be drawn and handed over to him, he would have been charged with fraud and embezzlement, on the other hand Blair helped his buddy Dubya to sell the war and he got his money in the long way round fashion, and he verily expected to be called a hero too!
    ,
    Ever thought why he resigned from politics the day he lost his job as the PM? We all know he was too busy dodging any probable decelerations of interest and financial affairs, as an MP. Blair was the first to have jumped ship by never returning back to the commons, if I am not mistaken.

  132. Fedup,
    this is the last warning. Watch your grammar, before Grammar Nazis visit your home! The details of what may happen to you are available at
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM

  133. I agree with Azra who said, “they are all as bad as each other, and in any case what difference it makes who wins the election? The man in the White house is but a puppet whose strings are pulled elsewhere.”
    .
    But here’s an interesting piece on the Newt, for what it’s worth:
    “There won’t be a real difference between another Obama term and a possible Romney presidency. But Gingrich – with his ties to the Israeli right, destructive track record from the 1990s and very personal connection to Netanyahu – could turn out to be a real nightmare …”
    Full text here: http://972mag.com/newt-gingrich-the-most-dangerous-man-in-dc/33607/

  134. Azra Ref Gingrich and Adelson. Adelson has actually given him $13 million in total in return for his stanch on Palestine.
    .
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/01/20/here-he-comes-again/

  135. Karel,
    Holy Grammar , will have to sleep with the lights on, from now!
    ,
    Must watch my grammar too!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, how did I get myself into this ordeal, never knowing my doppelgänge will have caught up with me too?
    ,
    Destiny, Destiny, there is no escaping you! (young Frankenstein)

  136. @Mary, thanks for the info, I read about the 5 mill, and was injected into the campaign recently to revive it.

    @Nuid : NG threats are as empty as Obama’s promises! when the time comes those who decide will decide!

  137. i went to the doctor and i said “im fed up”, he said, what are you fed up with? fedup i said. he said i know but…? -i said im fedup with fedup -what shall i do?
    he said you need to stimulate your kidneys. you need to make your kidney be bothered, then you wont be fedup anymore… boom boom!
    .
    Im in a shell so i dont need a coat -ill leave shorty… waiting for the tide..

  138. Crab,
    Then there were three. This is getting to be one more Fedup accidentally turns up song.
    ,
    Seems I have got more than under your skin.
    ,
    Drop that fucking coat, you have left your shell behind here.
    ,
    LMAO, thanks,

  139. Uzbek in the UK

    23 Jan, 2012 - 12:23 pm

    Russia is already winning in US/EU approach towards Iran. Oil prices are set to rise following EU announcement to ban oil imports from Iran.
    .
    Those who thought that Lavrov (Russian Foreign Minister) was honest about possible Russian intervention and assistance to Iran might need to rethink.

  140. Uzbek in the UK,
    “honest about possible Russian intervention and assistance to Iran might need to rethink”
    ,
    What kind of cock and bull is this line of propaganda? It is EU that is unilaterally putting sanctions, what could Russia do, or how could Russia intervene? Price rises are inevitable, given the uncertainty in the supply chain and the administrative pitfalls as yet unknown.
    ,
    ,
    However just to put your mind at rest;
    ,
    Now it is preparing for a potential confrontation with Iran, and appears confident of another successful air strike.
    ,
    Such a demonstration of armed might makes powers like Russia and China increasingly nervous.
    ,
    By stirring up other powers’ sense of insecurity, the US is actually undermining its own interests. Its security paranoia instills many uncertainties into global dynamics and into the US itself.

    ,
    US actions make China-Russia alliance appealing
    ,
    ,
    Further the stupidity of sanctions, remain in rearrangement of the trade in oil, as well as end of dealings in Euro, and Dollar, this step will in all probability backfire, alas hubris is a disease that has no cure.

  141. Uzbek in the UK

    23 Jan, 2012 - 2:52 pm

    Passerby
    .
    Interestingly that at the same time China is negotiating with Saudis on increase in oil imports.
    .
    Calls for Russia-China alliance was since Yougoslav war. If you recall Yeltcin’s visit to Beijing while US Stealth bombers were destroying Belgrade. It has not emerged even when US started military intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq. You can of course consider SCO an alliance but so far SCO main objective is to keep western style democracy away from all SCO participants and keep Karimov and him alike in power.

  142. Uzbek in the UK,
    So your view is what should China do?
    ,
    Yugoslavian war was umpteen years ago in the last century, when US was not an untethered rampaging Empire.
    ,
    You conflate all manner of titbits and come out with “Ice cream = Nokia handset” equations.
    ,
    Mentioning the drunkard who sold Russia down the river for peanuts visiting Beijing during the Stealth bombers campaign in Yugoslavia (stealth bombers are now regularly tracked) no more stealth and surprise there then. Further Yeltsin has been dispatched to hell for sometime now, and there is no Yugoslavia.

  143. Uzbek in the UK

    23 Jan, 2012 - 4:03 pm

    Passerby
    .
    It is not my view. It is what China is doing and most probably will do. This is dictated by pure realpolitik of Chinese Communist party leadership.
    .
    I take it that Yeltcin was not your favourite president of Russia. Well it might come to your surprise than that not much (foreign policy wise) changed in Russia since Yeltcin’s re-orientation after Yugoslav war. And what is even more important Russian military has not become stronger (war in Georgia is clear demonstration of it). Yes, yes Russia has bitten two provinces off Georgia and won the war (who would have thought otherwise) but at the same Russian military demonstrated clear shortage of professional organisation and technical provision (this was accepted by Russians themselves).
    .
    What was good against 50000 Georgian army (who thought before the war that Georgia even had an army) might not be good enough against NATO. Unless of course you are not taking into account nuclear arsenal, but from what it seems even Putin seems to be not such psychopathic enough as to use it first.

  144. Uzbeck, you might be interested to know that China already has signed a contract with Iran, and not only they are not reducing their oil purchase, but in fact they are increasing it! so yes China gives some lip service to USA, but in practice will do what is best ofr China and why not!
    Another point, China is investing huge amount of money in Iran and they are not at all pleased at what happened in Libya and their investment, so I believe they will do as much as they can not to let the same happens in Iran.

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