Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22281


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • Anon

    Mary,

    Interesting you had Ipsos MORI at the door. They were at my door a week or so ago. I didn’t participate. I’ve not had a visit from Ipsos MORI any time previously that I can recall and certainly not in the last ten years or so.

    Wonder if any other posters are getting visits from “Ipsos MORI”?

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Blair thinks anyone can make a comeback after GW managed to get re-elected in 2004 despite the complete cockup in Iraq.

    Blair had even gone to bed, thinking he was going to lose hands down, only to be stunned when he won.

  • Anon

    The subject I was discussing at the time of my Ipsos MORI visit was the al-Hilli murders in a previous thread. I commented in the thread about it at the time and “jokingly” suggested other posters should be alert for visits from Ipsos MORI. Still I’d like to think it is just a coincidence. Can never be sure though. Especially if any of the wilder speculation about the case has any truth in it.

  • straw44berry

    Not Mori, I had the Red Cross last Saturday didnt call at others in my block.

    Didnt buzz the intercom – sent them away with a flea in their ear

  • anders7777

    You still haven’t explained how if a DA notice was issued on the 6th the Daily Mirror and others were able to safely ignore it on the 15th.

    =====
    It’s an AVISORY you dimbulb! Of course one or two brave outlets will timidly stick their heads above the parapet, eventually. Much of this is damage limitation, to mollify the peanut gallery. In no way shape or form has ANY msm outlet done an in-depth article and mentioned the shhhhhh (Mossad) word. Most of the public have forgotten about the massacre and moved on. If it had been a WHITE UK family, like the McCann’s for example, it would have been WW3 in the press.

    Where is Gardening Leave when we need him?

    Where is Davies, the author of all the Mossad books?

    Carry on.

  • anders7777

    @Anders
    But there has been some MSM speculation re. Mossad e.g. the BBC R4 piece mentioned that this is a theory.

    =====
    Damage limitation and look how long it took? Too little, too late.

    The overriding image firmly planted in the public’s mind is was that SAH was a terrorist, helicopter footage and live streaming for a day as the army bomb squad examined the man’s potted plants in the shed. All the rags pushing the lone nutter theory, and the mental case family relative, and that SAH was hurting for money, and had low level non-nuke jobs, and there was an inheritance dispute.

    Tons of smears from the media, not a word about Mossad, who have cold bloodedly been murdering hundreds of Arab scientists over the years, HUNDREDS.

    And prime suspect number one, RAFman ™, with literally blood on his hands, and a FAIRYTALE ™ story made up down the pub on the back of a fag packet, is given diplomatic immunity, as good as.

    Pull the other one.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Right Anders – and thanks for all your help in pushing my claims – but where were the rest of us when Dr. Kelly was murdered while a kidon was being allowed by MI5 to operate in the UK, and four still unknown persons spent the night on a boat, moored on the Thames quite close to where Louise Holmes and her dog Brock found his body?

    Are people still expecting a possible kidon, walking around Annecy on that fatal day with a sign, stating: “Here it is!”

  • anders7777

    Anders what do you make of SAH being seperated?

    =====
    Hi Straw, I’ not changing my position from Thread II.

    I will post it later, gotta run to see the Arsenal game! If Dubai fits, it also FITZ ™ my theory!

    Great work BTW!

    A

  • Kempe

    “The overriding image firmly planted in the public’s mind is was that SAH was a terrorist.”

    Really? You quite sure about that? The bomb squad were only there for an hour and didn’t find anything, seems it was just the police over-reacting.

    I think the main reason for there being little attention given to the alleged Mossad involvement is that there isn’t any real evidence to support it. Anyway we’ve had a nice salacious story of fruity schoolgirl running off with her teacher and an air crash which make much better copy than a stalled murder investigation.

  • Katie

    I agree Kempe, repeatedly I’ve said I thought AH was a ‘pacifist’.

    That is also my theory as to why he’s been killed, he would not comply OR it’s an old score being settled.

  • anders7777

    “The overriding image firmly planted in the public’s mind is was that SAH was a terrorist.”

    Really? You quite sure about that? The bomb squad were only there for an hour and didn’t find anything, seems it was just the police over-reacting.

    =====
    I was watching it on SKY in realtime and the coverage dominated a whole day, ditto the BBC, ditto all the smear jobs in the Daily Mail and so on.

    This all went on for many says, painting the dark skins as well dodgy.

    Only forums like this flushed out RAFman ™ with his pack of lies.

    [Mod/Jon – removed some more suggestions of ‘forum sliding’ – off topic]

  • Ben Franklin

    It’s not preposterous to consider Mossad screwed up and left two witnesses. The bicyclist led me to believe he was a victim of damage control. Leaving the two children behind leaves me doubtful, but I will wait for more. There are far stranger events which remain mysterious. Nakoula is still being held for possible parole violation. He is a three-striker, and if he walks I suspect Federal intervention.

  • Ginger Nuts

    Mr Al Hilli was involved in the false flag chemical weapons ‘opereation’ in Syria, which will be used by NATO to justify removing Syrian air defences in order that Israel may over-fly and attack Iran. He was helping to modify predator drones to disperse chemical weapons and was also spying for the Russians.

    The West is actively trying to remove Russian and Chinese satellite reconnaissance for fear of being presented with evidence of their crime at the UN. Anyone can do the research and join the dots.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207180/Huge-fireballs-shoot-night-sky-spectacular-meteor-shower—turns-probably-space-junk-falling-Earth.html

  • Ginger Nuts

    From the Mail article…

    “Dr Tim O’Brien, associate director of the Jodrell Bank Observatory, told the BBC it was probably ‘orbital debris from satellites.

    ‘[The object was] probably 80 miles up or so, high up, moving very fast, actually, 18,000 miles an hour, probably, at least.'”

    The exact profile of a typical spy satellite orbit.

  • Ben Franklin

    “The exact profile of a typical spy satellite orbit.”

    Sabotage? Any other links, even those with just suppositions?

  • Ginger Nuts

    ‘Oh, and Hans Blix is now scurrying to explain why in his recent UN testimony he failed to mention Iraq’s possession of predator “drone” aircraft (a handy way to disperse chemical weapons on our troops).’

    The Oi Vay gang speaking in 2003.

    The Zionists never like letting a good lie go to waste and seem to take extra delight in recycling old lies.
    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0303/ingraham031103.asp

  • Kempe

    “‘[The object was] probably 80 miles up or so, high up, moving very fast, actually, 18,000 miles an hour, probably, at least.’”

    The exact profile of a typical spy satellite orbit.”

    Eighty miles doesn’t even qualify as a low earth orbit. The amount of space junk in low earth orbit, 19,000 items at the last count, far outnumbers the number of spy satellites. The odds are it was space debris.

  • anders7777

    Right Anders – and thanks for all your help in pushing my claims – but where were the rest of us when Dr. Kelly was murdered while a kidon was being allowed by MI5 to operate in the UK, and four still unknown persons spent the night on a boat, moored on the Thames quite close to where Louise Holmes and her dog Brock found his body?

    =====
    At Trowbridge

    I followed the Diana hit job very closely for years

    Have all the obscure books plus Norman bakers’s

    Whose conclusion of an Iraqi hit team is rubbish

    I was on the main yahoo group for year’s

    Now morphed into 10 doctors surgeons taking on the establishment and getting nowhere

    Plus other groups

    I’ve spread the world, all I can do at the moment

  • Kempe

    “Only forums like this flushed out RAFman ™ with his pack of lies.”

    Only in your dreams. If he was in on the plot why did he leave the little girl alive?

  • Ferret

    Saad Al Hilli’s “best friend” Gary Aked works at ATK as Senior Engineer. ATK have a satellite called ViviSat which can de-orbit other satellites, it’s on their web page at http://www.atk.com under “products”.

  • nuid

    “I think the main reason for there being little attention given to the alleged Mossad involvement is that there isn’t any real evidence to support it.”

    Yes, that could be. Although they were my first suspects.

    “Only forums like this flushed out RAFman ™ with his pack of lies.”

    Anders, you have no evidence whatsoever for a “pack of lies”. Lots of discussion of nose-twitching and eye-blinking on the other thread – that’s all.

    “No more forum sliding will be tolerated.”
    “Mods please make sure this abusive behaviour desists forthwith.”

    Oh shut up, Anders. You don’t run anything here. You’re entitled to an opinion like everyone else, but that’s all.

  • Peter

    Gary Aked works as a senior engineer at WS Atkins plc, which has nothing whatsoever to do with satellites.

  • anders7777

    @trowbridge

    g allowed by MI5 to operate in the UK, and four still unknown persons spent the night on a boat, moored on the Thames quite close to where Louise Holmes and her dog Brock found his body?

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    The local plod that very morning were running a mysteriously called OPERATION MASON

    Lots of spooky figured all around

    In the woods

    Those people you mention by the river

    It all smacks of the peter power drills the morning of the london 7/7 bombings

    The Drills on 911 when real air controllers were told the bizarro movements of four large planes were ” just a drill”

    Same MO all the time…

    Trad the norman baker book on Kelly

    It’s goog

    But he bootlegs it I’m the conclusion by blaming an Iraq hit team
    Did it

    A load of old cobblers and Jewish baker has had two more juicy promotions

    Case.closed.

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