Rusbridger’s New Wig

by craig on December 8, 2012 3:33 pm in Uncategorized

Judging by his picture in today’s Guardian, Alan Rusbridger has invested in a new wig which plumbs new depths of unconvincingness, even by Rusbridger standards. He is moving past Donald Trump territory in the direction of Danny La Rue.

The great mortification of my own life is that Nadira insists upon dyeing my hair – there are evident cultural differences over the acceptability of the practice, to the extent that Nadir’s distress at a white-haired partner even exceeds my own shame and embarassment over the dyeing.

But what, you ask, does my or Rusbridger’s hair dishonesty have to do with our work or opinions? Nothing, really. But the Guardian seems to prize such pointless character assassination, like this from Polydor Airhead on Julian Assange:

But when Assange appears, he seems more like an in-patient than an interviewee, his opening words slow and hesitant, the voice so cracked as to be barely audible. If you have ever visited someone convalescing after a breakdown, his demeanour would be instantly recognisable. Admirers cast him as the new Jason Bourne, but in these first few minutes I worry he may be heading more towards Miss Havisham.

Which is an untrue description to the point of being an absolute lie. I have spent a lot more time, including insude the Ecuadorean Embassy, with Julian than Ms Airhead, and I can assure you that the most striking thing about Julian is he is very normal. Intelligent and interesting, but normal. These attempts to dehumanise him by portraying him as a weirdo are deeply sinister. It is also completely untrue that he does not meet many people in the Embassy. I am willing to bet he sees more visitors than Ms Airhead. And her speculation on who he is sleeping with is disgusting.

Rusbridger – a man more disgusting than his wig.

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  1. I see there’s to be a Christmas address by Julian Assange from the Ecudorian embassy balcony on Thursday, 20 December at 7pm, to mark six months of no-safe-passage-allowed political asylum.

    Anyone from Craig’s blog thinking of going down to the embassy for this? Would love to meet up with anyone who is.

    Someone posted a comment in Flashback about the possibility of organising a visit to London from Sweden. I wonder if Flashback are treating this as a serious idea? – Again, if any of the Good People of Flashback are thinking of coming over to London, maybe a “Flashback” placard in the crowd would be a good rallying point for those of us who’d like to come up and introduce ourselves, swap email addresses, etc?

    Hope the balcony gets decorated with straw, manger, star on high, lowly cattle, etc, for the occasion… Ok, maybe just some sprigs of holly through the railings…

  2. Feel better for that bit of spleen venting? You should be writing for the Mail.

    But then Rusbridger is part of the anti-Wikileaks Jewish Conspiracy isn’t he?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362107/Julian-Assange-anti-Semitic-row-accusing-journalists-Jewish-conspiracy-WikiLeaks.html

  3. Dick the Prick

    8 Dec, 2012 - 4:25 pm

    Apparently he’s off to the Royal Opera House after destroying the Guardian so he can get experts to sort his pathetic pate out. I seem to remember the Guardian being good but my memory isn’t as good as it used to be.

  4. “Feel better for that bit of spleen venting?”

    Cant imagine what set Craig off…

    [Mod/Jon: posted as "Bing Bong, Ding Dong!" but in fact this is "Heretic"]

  5. Cheap, Kempe, cheap even by your standards.

  6. Hi Kempe,

    There’s some very interesting stuff related to the article you link to which, oddly enough, bring us bang right back to the topic of Craig’s post: the disgusting dissembling of the Guardian newspaper with regard to their relationship to their most lucrative source ever.

    All the following info comes from another blog dissecting the full timeline of the Guardian’s “Israel Shamir” smear against Assange. For speed, I’ll just re-post the whole lot. Hope all the links work properly.

    As to providing proof about Leigh and Harding’s libel against Assange and the timing of this ‘Belarus’ smear against Assange, note the dates on these two links:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/31/wikileaks-holocaust-denier-handled-moscow-cables

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/gnm-press-office/guardian-books-publishes-wikileaks-book

    The actual release date of the book was 1 February 2011. So, this “Shamir/Belarus” smear is started in the Guardian on the day before they publish a book containing a serious libel against Assange made by the book’s author, David Leigh (note the bylines on that first article!!!) that he said “they’re informants, they deserve to die”. You’ll see this article too repeats the “they’re informants, they deserve to die” libel.

    Here’s the signed witness statement from an independent witness at the dinner, Der Spiegel journalist John Goetz, which has been submitted to the Leveson Inquiry concerning another Guardian journalist committing perjury at the Inquiry over the same issue:

    wlstorage.net/file/cms/Folder%204/1.%20Signed%20statement%20by%20John%20Goetz.pdf

    Now I don’t like some of the views expressed by Israel Shamir as much as the next person – both the ones about Jews and the ones about Belarus – but I think he is entitled to express them as long as he only does so on his own website and not in wider forums such as newspapers. As far as I’m aware, that’s the case. I’ve also heard he claims some of his family are Belarussan peasant stock, so possibly his favourable views of the Belarus regime are 30 years out of date (ie. from a time before Lukashenko totally lost the plot/got dictatorial. This would seem to align with the view of the British Ambassador at the screening of “Europe’s Last Dictator” too (the making of which Assange helped facilitate and was invited to the screening by the filmmaker) – that Lukashenko’s early reforms did improve the lives of the rural poor).

    None of which, of course, has any bearing on the fact that there is NO proof that Shamir is – or ever was – closely aligned to Wikileaks. Any more than any other journalist passed cables has been. Please PROVE that – beyond one photo taken of Assange standing next to the bloke. And please do NOT take James Ball’s – another Guardian journalist word for it. Ball is particularly close to Leigh, or was – he seems to be distancing himself now – and is the “staffer” referred to in the first link I’ve provided above. Ball himself started writing articles claiming Assange was anti-Semetic and had passed cables to Lukashenko via Shamir as early as March 2011 but that’s been scotched now by Shamir, who says it was James Ball himself who passed him the cables on Belarus and “the jews”. See for yourself:

    http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Ball.htm

    When challenged about this Ball finally admitted – in May 2012 – that yes, it was him:

    https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/175644469855662084

    though he tries to say (now) that he was only following orders…

    Bear in mind that for a full year he hid the vital details about his own involvement from readers and simply told them Assange had given cables to Shamir. Why not give the FULL facts if he was indeed ‘under orders’?

    Even if you don’t like Shamir, if Ball himself has now confirmed the facts, surely there’s no doubt any more? What concerns me most though is that journalists – like Leigh, like Ball – can get away with misinforming their readers for a full year before they finally cough up the truth.

  7. The Guardian used to appear good the same way the BBC used to appear good. The information-go-round is better than it used to be so we can see through their versions of things more easily – I think.

    Why does a common sense of decency not apply as soon as someone’s in a media situation? Why would it be so unbelievably rude of me to make such derogatory comments about someone, or lead them to look stupid or whatever if they’re in the room but I can do so where they will see it on the internet or in newspapers? We just assume that anyone who’s daft enough to get in the news will cope. That nurse in the Kate-in-hospital story didn’t cope, it seems.

  8. Ha. But we have got Bradley Manning way ahead in the Grauniad poll for the TPoTY 2012.

    Bradley Manning 65%

    ~~~~

    He needs one of the green elfin hats to match his elfin features here.
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2012/12/alans-swan-song/

    So the BBC get Tony Hall and the ROH get Rusbridger. A poor swap. I suppose Rusbridger is jumping ship like Captain Schettino before The Grauniad does a Costa Concordia.

  9. ‘[Mod/Jon: Posted as @Kempe, in fact this is English Knight]‘

    Posted by Jon on the Leveson thread
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/12/leveson-wrong-answer-to-the-wrong-question/

    ‘Jon, thank you for revealing the identity behind “Clarkstein” and “@Kempe”.’

    posted by Clark on the same thread.

    Now I’m 99.9% sure Craig said that he had emailed English Knight to say he didn’t want him posting here any more.
    So why is ‘Kempe’ getting away with it?

  10. Bradley Manning 65%

    Woohoo!
    I hope they don’t do what TIME did on at least one occasion. Ignore the popular vote and pick their own.

  11. Craig, if you plucked out the white hairs, no one would bother dying them?

    maybe you can colour them in with a felt tip pen?

    Anyway, other then his hair, what is your problem with him?

  12. speaking of Assange, I got a brilliant idea, that only someone of my brains can think of. you know what we should all do. The more people the better? We should all go to the Ecuadorean Embassy at different times with a large cardboard box all folded up under our coats. And then assemble it in inside the embassy. Drag it out and in to a car and drive off, and see if anyone tries to stop us to look in the box.
    Do it enough times they will stop checking.
    lol

  13. The Angry Arab says

    Meet the new command of Syrian armed groups
    “Rebel commanders said that three representatives from the Central Intelligence Agency — one from headquarters, one from Turkey and another from Jordan — attended their discussions here but did not comment.”
    http://networkedblogs.com/FIBtD

    and he links to this:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/08/world/middleeast/rebel-groups-in-syria-make-framework-for-military.html

  14. “Craig, if you plucked out the white hairs, no one would bother dying them?”

    Erm … Arsalan, the effect of plucking them out might be a bit extreme …

  15. @Moniker. The nurse at Kate’s hospital committing suicide is such a tragedy. She was guilty of simply trying to do her job in the early hours of the morning on a night shift. She made one human error and her world collapsed. Those DJs in Oz must feel shattered now–even though I am no fan of the monarchy and I must confess I laughed when I read about the barking corgis in the background. A prank in poor taste has backfired on them big style. It actually amounted to harassing hospital staff looking after a woman (regardless of her social status) with terrible morning sickness. Hasn’t the media got anything better to do than this?

    @Craig. On a brighter note for the Oz media, have you seen the Australian ABC film Underground: the Julian Assange Story yet? It is excellent even though its does portray Christine–Assange’s mother–as anti-American. She reviewed the film saying she cringed when she saw this saying is first and foremost an artist.Here is here review:

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/christine-assange-on-underground-the-film-about-son-julian/story-e6frf96f-1226489467079

  16. Bradley Manning 67% !

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/poll/2012/dec/07/person-of-the-year-2012-vote

    This is being sent to Bradley Manning for his birthday on 17 Dec from #assange #Manning #Wikileaks supporters:
    https://twitter.com/akaWACA/status/277343287076081664/photo/1

  17. I have crossed paths with Rusbridger before and can confirm he is extremely rude and arrogant. Anyone who lies in an influential paper on subjects such as the UK’s involvement in various military adventures is worthy of all the opprobrium that can be shovelled in his direction.

  18. What the ultra HARRY POTTER lookalike wears a WIG! Never! Gives me the eebee geebees.

  19. Yah but still I’d prefer if people quoted him than. And descirbed him as an arsehole for stuff he says rather than talk about haircuts.

  20. Must say that I found the new wig an improvement of sorts if this is any representation of how he used to look:

    http://www.thejournalismfoundation.com/2012/06/guardian-editor-alan-rusbridger-paywalls/

    The old wig certainly needed the gray hairs pulled, and a good bit of new growth.

    Made him look more like a nearly drowned rat – what he really is.

  21. Bradley vote – great stuff!

    Hair – while we’re being personal, tell wifey to get a toyboy if that’s how she feels. Dyed locks(or silly journo wigs)thwart all hopes of mature good looks.

    Public character-assassination, ridicule etc – we have laws now against inciting religious or racial hatred. What the Rugsbridger post says to me is, why do almost all elements of the media believe that it’s okay to take someone apart in public for political, personal or careerist reasons?

  22. I too stumbled across this garbage, but I’m no longer surprised at what the Guardian prints.

    If it were a male journalist misrepresenting a falsely imprisoned female like this, he would have been skewered for misogyny, and probably been kicked off the job by now. So I’m not surprised by the Guardian, but rather by the sexist hypocrisy that is so visible once one opens their eyes to it.

  23. You know we always moun about the falsehood in the mainstream press. But we got people in every country. Why don’t we all get togeather and make our own press?

  24. easy now that we have the internet. all we need is a website. a bulletin board. with headings for different countries and topics?

  25. Er – there are quite a lot of them. I solved the Guardian problem and the BBC problem by not buying one nor watching t’other, but finding my news on the internet.

    Darn it captcha, haven’t you ever heard of discalculia? I keep getting the sums wrong!

  26. I think we should debate just with them.

    They’re honourable rational people, and I’m sure once the facts are pointed out, they’ll see sense, bemoan the error of their ways and reform.

    Anyone remember The Flower Pot Men and Little Weed.

  27. The problem with turning one’s back on BBC & Co. is that once you do that you are no longer in the loop, and you won’t be on the same page as anyone else, and people will quickly give up talking to you.

    In that respect, their monopoly is something we are stuck with, and they know it.

    And, call me a snob and misanthropist, but I don’t think it is true that most question what they read, or have the wherewithal to examine it critically.

  28. Uneducated people normally resort to insults and name calling when they have no sensible arguments to contribute. Making catty remarks about Rusbridger’s wig and Decca Aitkinhead’s unfortunate name seems to come into that category and frankly I would’ve expected better. Poor girl must’ve been getting this kind of puerile jibe since she was at primary school which is where it belongs. It certainly adds nothing to the debate.

    Just because she found Assange in a worse state than when Craig last saw him is no reason to automatically brand her a liar, everybody has their off days especially when living under such trying conditions.

  29. Kempe, you’ve rather spectacularly missed the whole point of Craig’s post, in that he has exactly mimicked the style of Decca Aitkinhead’s article about Assange.

  30. BREAKING: Morsi’s decree cancelled, constitution referendum to take place on time

    http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/60092.aspx

  31. Jon,

    Whenever you’re around, could you give my email address to Arsalan please?

  32. muskrat pelt

    8 Dec, 2012 - 11:20 pm

    Of course Assange seemed strange. He was trying not to burst out laughing. Do dogs bark at that thing?

  33. As was also mentioned on CiF, the same journalist wouldn’t have the guts to make similar assertions about UK politicians. Can you any MSM journalist writing a similar article about Tony Bliar, a man who, it seems perfectly clear, has genuine and serious mental health issues? I’ve yet to see such an article, and Bliar is a far more sinister character than Julian Assange ever will be.

    The article wasn’t quite at the level of a hatchet job, for me, but it seemed to seek the impression of balance rather than actual balance, and could be accused of a little slyness. Brecht was accused of being sly, of course, so this isn’t always a bad thing; but the writer is no Brecht, to say the least.

    I do wish The Guardian would stop the unpleasantness towards Assange, but evidently the editors take their role as liberal gate-keeper seriously, and Assange is very much excluded. A spook in every newspaper they say, and I now believe it.

  34. Go away Kempe.

    You cant even get the basic point of Craig’s post.

  35. boooh to the ugly sisters :o )

  36. “Kempe, you’ve rather spectacularly missed the whole point of Craig’s post, in that he has exactly mimicked the style of Decca Aitkinhead’s article about Assange.”

    Really? At what point does she mock Julian for having a silly haircut?

  37. Kempe, why don’t you write to Mizz Dicky Airhead and ask her why she was more interested in asking already exhausted questions about unredacted war logs than about hardly questioned unprosecuted war crimes? Until you start addressing the salient issues surrounding Assange’s political persecution, you’re going to be treated here with the sort of special contempt we reserve for your kind – the anti-Assange, flunky-shill kind.

  38. Grotesque Zionist propaganda in the Observer

    “In its report on Hamas leader Khaled Meshal’s speech in Gaza on Saturday, The Observer, the Sunday sister paper of The Guardian, quoted him saying the following words:

    We don’t kill Jews because they are Jews. We kill the Zionists because they are conquerors and we will continue to kill anyone who takes our land and our holy places … We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone.

    This however is a blatant mistranslation. What Meshal actually said is:

    We do not fight the Jews because they are Jews. We fight the Zionist occupiers and aggressors. And we will fight anyone who tries to occupy our lands or attacks us. We fight those who fight us, who attack us, who besiege us, who attack our holy places and our land.

    Can you see the massive difference? To an untrained ear the Arabic verbs for “kill” and “fight” could sound the same because قتل – to kill – and قاتل – to fight or combat – come from the same root. But to any Arabic speaker there is no ambiguity at all in what Meshal said”

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/uks-observer-adds-kill-jews-hamas-leader-khaled-meshals-gaza-speech-when-he-did

    On {http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1355034704.html} plus follow up comments.

  39. Would this garbage have appeared in the old New Statesman? Hugh Bayley is a Labour MP for York Central. From his website gallery, I see he has been to Afghanistan twice in the last two years. He is on the International Development committee.

    Afghanistan is not a hopeless quagmire
    The choice now is to risk abandoning a decade of military and civilian investment, or to capitalise on it.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2012/12/afghanistan-not-hopeless-quagmire

    From his voting record on TheyWorkForYou
    Voted strongly for Labour’s anti-terrorism laws.
    Voted very strongly for the Iraq war.
    Voted strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war.

    I also see that he has been to Ghana.

    Overseas visits
    24-27 July 2005, to Accra, Ghana, to evaluate and report on the World Bank’s programme in Ghana. The Parliamentary Network on the World Bank and the World Bank jointly funded my air fare and accommodation. (Registered 21 November 2005

  40. Any man troubled by the signs of ageing and considering doing something about it should first take a look at Silvio Berlusconi. The sad truth is, the more you try to hide it the more attention you draw to it. The only option I’m afraid is to give in to the inevitable and age gracefully.

  41. John Pilger on Leveson.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/12/levesons-punch-and-judy-show-on-the-press-masks-hacking-on-an-unimaginable-scale/
    December 8th, 2012

    He concludes:

    The iniquity of Rupert Murdoch was not his “influence” over the Tweedledees and Tweedledums in Downing Street, nor the thuggery of his eavesdroppers, but the augmented barbarism of his media empire in promoting the killing, suffering and dispossession of countless men, women and children in the US’s and Britain’s illegal wars.

    Murdoch has plenty of respectable accomplices. The liberal Observer was as rabid a devotee of the Iraq invasion.

    When Tony Blair gave evidence to the Leveson inquiry, bleating about the media’s harassment of his wife, he was interrupted by a filmmaker, David Lawley-Wakelin, who described him as a war criminal. At that, Lord Leveson leapt to his feet and ordered the truth-teller thrown out and apologised to the war criminal.

    Such an exquisite display of irony is contemptuous of all of us.

  42. Dave, that’s just not true. Some people say things like “what’s Al Jazeera?” and “John Pilger? I’ve heard the name…” and often, you have more info than they do on the stories they’re trying to talk about. It’s the same world and the same stories, it’s just that if you cruise around for who has the best info on each story, you are BETTER able to talk about it.

  43. While I still have the greatest complaints about The Guardian, my assessments of editor Alan Rusbridger, and publisher Julian Assange are more muted.

    The worst ´things The Guardian does are still directed by David Leigh, the publisher of leaks going all the way back to John Stalker.

    Leigh infiltrated his inquiry about Britain’s Shoot-to-Kill campaign in Northern Ireland, determining that the GMP Deputy Superintendent was serious about getting to its bottom, the assassination of Sweden’s statsminister Olof Palme, and, as a result, Stalker was sidelined, and ultimately forced to resign from the police.

    Leigh managed the leaks from Assange, and failed to protect the identification of covert sources in the publication of the Afghan Log – what led to the murders, it seeems, of MI6′s Gareth Williams, GCHQ’s Gudrun Loftus, and Oxford astrophsicist Steve Rawlings.

    Assange’s responsibility in all this still remains to be determined, but the diversions he has engaged in to avoid scrutiny for alleged sex crimes here in Sweden does not help his cause.

    And, of course, The Guardian’s interest in these murders is on a par with its inquiries into who and why William Hershkovitz and Nick Mockford were murdered recently.

    The Guardian has adopted for CIF instead of still engaging in serious research about important crimes, covert operators, and ‘false flag’ missions.

  44. Mary lying in translation is nothing new. I have seen it in many TV programs. I remember once when they were interviewing Palestinian children kidnapped by Zionists and the little boy said “I miss my parents”, and they translated it as “I miss my friends”. That wasn’t a mistake in translation, it was a lie to change the whole message which the viewer will take from it.

  45. Come on, Arsalan, not entirely an original idea!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0KK0msnLhw

  46. I suggest Assange, all the Embassy staff and a few hundred volunteers wear some of those Guy Fawkes masks and walk him out that way, before dispersing all over London.

  47. You know what we should do,, all wear masks and walk out of the embassy,, assange can stay in there, You know how much it will cost them to chase as all if we keep doing it again and again?

  48. I reckon if we make guarding him in the embassy so expensive they would find an excuse to make a deal to allow him to leave to save face.

  49. “You know what we should do,, all wear masks and walk out of the embassy,, assange can stay in there, You know how much it will cost them to chase as all if we keep doing it again and again?”

    LOL
    I suggest any really good ideas are kept OFF this site. It must be one of the most public place in the UK!

  50. *places

  51. As Mary already asked …
    How is the rubbish from the likes of “beats by dr dre cheap” getting through the captcha?

  52. “How is the rubbish from the likes of “beats by dr dre cheap” getting through the captcha?”

    Marketing companies employ programmers to write code that circuvents such obstacles. It’s big business.

  53. [Mod/Jon: deleted three items, this appears to be Giles posting as "DrDre"]

  54. A couple of fun blog posts on the topic of Decca Aitkenhead’s hatchet job:

    There Are A Lot of Assholes Out There:
    http://threads2.scripting.com/2012/december/thereAreALotOfAssholesOutThere

    and

    What Is Wrong With The Guardian?:
    http://threads2.scripting.com/2012/december/whatIsWrongWithTheGuardian

  55. Trowbridge, 9.38am

    “Assange’s responsibility in all this still remains to be determined, but the diversions he has engaged in to avoid scrutiny for alleged sex crimes here in Sweden does not help his cause.”

    Not true – he’s asked many, many times to be interviewed by the Swedish authorities, both before he left Sweden, and ever since. He just doesn’t want to have to do it from solitary confinement in a Swedish prison cell, which is the venue they insist on, for some reason… They’ve refused, every time, all sensible – and legally routine – suggestions for how it could be done otherwise.

    Oh, and the allegations themselves are bunkum. Good, accurate animation giving the basics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PZ0UgJRPhxw#t=0s

    You are dead right about David Leigh, though. His behaviour during the Guardian’s Cash For Questions story and his contempt of court over the Trafigura injunction (which was only a 10-dayer anyway) left a lot to be desired too.

  56. ‘”but the diversions he has engaged in to avoid scrutiny for alleged sex crimes here in Sweden does not help his cause”

    Not true – he’s asked many, many times to be interviewed by the Swedish authorities,’

    He wants to be interviewed in the Embassy where the Swedish police have no jurisdiction and where he will not be questioned under caution which is legally meaningless as far as their investigation of the case goes. His argument that he will be arrested and deported to the US if he goes back to Sweden is, I’m afraid to say, simply nonsense.

  57. Similarly, the Medialens editors take the Guardian and Aitkenhead to task.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1355056811.html

  58. Heretic, 2.22pm

    “He wants to be interviewed in the Embassy where the Swedish police have no jurisdiction and where he will not be questioned under caution which is legally meaningless as far as their investigation of the case goes”

    Are you not aware that, under Swedish law, it is illegal for the prosecutor to take the decision to prosecute until the preliminary investigation is over?

    Assange has been questioned on only one (out of four) – the only one (non-sexual molestation) surviving after the first prosecutor through out the ‘rape’ allegation on 21 August 2010 and before the case was revived and expanded to four allegations on 1 September 2010.

    And besides, what kind of prosecutor would decide that the investigation had reached the stage where formal charges are immiment before even hearing one side’s story – their version of events – in a case involving allegations of a sexual nature in what amounts to a he said/she said scenario?

  59. Heretic, 2.22pm

    “His argument that he will be arrested and deported to the US if he goes back to Sweden is, I’m afraid to say, simply nonsense.”

    You haven’t been paying enough attention. There’s heaps of evidence of US efforts to do exactly that. This was posted in Craig’s blog over a month ago:

    The US will request extradition from Sweden if Assange gets there and Sweden will drop its sex investigation and comply. That’s just based on what I know about the Grand Jury investigation and debates in Congress about “off-shoring” Assange (yes, literally named in a detailed discussion on how to move the case via a FISA court ruling that he’s an “enemy of the US” and therefore out of the federal court system down to military jurisdiction in Guantanamo. It’s on C-Span and in the Congressional record) and suchlike (formal attempt to get Wikileaks designated as an FTO – Foreign Terrorist Organisation; formal request by Rep Peter King to the Secretary of State that she liaise with Sweden to get Assange extradited to the US; a letter from Dept of Justice General Counsel Harold Koh setting the grounds for indictment, etc – all in the public record; confirmation in June 2012 that there’s still about 16 federal and military law enforcement agencies currently working on the Wikileaks Grand Jury (from testimony at Manning’s hearings, etc)), and the geo-politics of Sweden’s position.

    Here’s those documents, plus a couple more:

    The “off-shoring to Gitmo” Congressional discussion – specifically about Assange

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2010-11-30/pdf/CREC-2010-11-30-pt1-PgH7743-8.pdf#page=1

    Rep Peter King (Chair of the Homeland Security Committee in Congress) letters to Attorney-General Eric Holder and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (scroll down):

    http://observer.com/2010/11/peter-king-on-why-wikileaks-should-be-declar…

    Letter by US Dept of Justice General Counsel Harold Koh to Wikileaks – lays the groundwork for formal indictment:

    http://www.cfr.org/media-and-foreign-policy/legal-case-against-wikileaks/p23618

    Confirmation that the Grand Jury’s still active (2 July 2012) by Dean Boyd, DoJ spokesman:

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/fresh-call-on-assange-espionage-20120701-21b59.html

    Dianne Feinstein’s (Chair of Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee) 2 July 2012 call for Assange to be prosecuted for espionage:

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-senator-calls-to-prosecute-assange-20120701-21b3n.html

    The 4 or 5 subpoenas to the Grand Jury already issued to Wikileaks-related people (remember the statute numbers mentioned in the subpoena here – I’ll come back to those):

    http://www.salon.com/2011/06/09/wikileaks_27/singleton/

    And there are all sorts of subpoenas still under seal that have been identified. Read what Birgitta Jonsdottir, the Icelandic MP who was involved in producing the “Collateral Murder” Wikileaks video, has to say about her own State Dept’s advice not to travel to the US, despite US assurances that all was fine, she had nothing to fear:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/03/evidence-us-judicial…

    Then there’s the Grand Jury case number – 10GJ3793 (guess what that 793 stands for…) And the FBI Wikileaks investigation file of 42,135 pages mentioned at Bradley Manning’s hearings, only 8,741 pages of which relate to Manning – per the US government prosecutor’s at his pre-trial hearings.

    And this is the list of US law enforcement agencies that it’s been confirmed are STILL working on the Wikileaks Grand Jury case:

    Department of Defense (DOD): including CENTCOM, SOUTHCOM, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA), Headquarters Department of the Army (HQDA); the US Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID) for US Army Cyber Command and the 2nd Army and US Forces Iraq (USFI), as well as US Army Computer Crimes Investigative Unit (CCIU). Within that or in addition to that three military intelligence investigations.

    Department of Justice (DOJ) Grand Jury and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) investigations

    Department of State (DOS) and Diplomatic Security Service (DSS)

    Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), Office of the National CounterIntelligence Executive (ONCIX), and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

    Investigations into WikiLeaks have also been conducted by the House Oversight Committee, National Security Staff Interagency Committee and the PIAB (President’s Intelligence Advisory Board).

    Phew! That’s an awful lot of resources to expend if you have absolutely no intention of indicting someone…

    But… here’s the kicker. It’s a Congressional Research Service survey of available legislation with which to prosecute WikiLeaks:

    http://t.co/knzcVbPW

    A few points to bear in mind:

    1) who commissions the Congressional Research Service? That’s right, Congress. This survey was published in June 2012, I think. Not sure when it was commissioned exactly, but it does suggest there is still a very high-level push in the US to extradite Assange.

    2) Count the number of ostensibly ‘criminal’ rather than ‘political’ charges in there – computer-related crimes, theft of documentation, etc. A US extradition request will clear the Swedish judicial system – with all its checks and balances against extradition for ‘political’/death penalty crimes – with NO problems WHATSOEVER.

    Likewise, there is a way for the UK to agree to onward extradition to a third country AND avoid that decision going through judicial review in the UK courts. The Home Secretary (Theresa May, God help us…) simply has to waive the ‘specialty’ clause, Section 58, of the 2003 Extradition Act. It’s all in here:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41/section/58

    There ya go, all done at the stroke of a pen! How to achieve desired political outcomes by utilising our treasured, impartial and fair, legal and judicial systems.

  60. Ptolemy will miss the old boy. Any man who likes cats is alright by me.
    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02422/Ptolemy_2422614c.jpg

    Apart from the fact that Moore was a Thatcherite and a bit of a misogynist, he communicated his passion for astronomy to the public so well and made it understandable.

    There are some nice tributes coming out from Brian May, Brian Cox and Prof Colin Pillinger amongst others. One of the last English eccentrics is no more.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore

  61. Heretic, 2.22pm

    Bonus feature: You may have seen a recent article in which a “Top EU official” agrees with you that Assange’s fears are all nonsense, all rubbish. Well, here’s a bit of a ‘backgrounder’ on that:

    Cecilia Malmstrom featured in a London Evening Standard article headlined “Top EU official tells Julian Assange: ‘Just go to Sweden and answer the charges’”:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/top-eu-official-tells-julian-assange-just-go-to-sweden-and-answer-the-charges-8375231.html

    Swedish politician Cecilia Malmstrom claims to know very little about the Swedish sex crimes allegations – she simply can’t see why the US would extradite for sex crime allegations: “I don’t believe for a minute that’s why he would go to the US,”

    Is she really trying to play that stupid? Nobody, but nobody, has ever thought that the US would attempt to extradite Assange for sex crimes.

    But she’s not that dumb at all. She’s fully complicit in the US attempt at extradition:

    Here’s a Congressional C-Span video showing Cecilia Malmstrom sitting at the same table as US Attorney-General Eric Holder as he confirms they’ve had “informal talks about Wikileaks” and their supposed threat to “US National Security” at a 9 December 2010 US/EU conference about cyber-security and cyber-crime:

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Cybercr

    Details:

    On 9 December 2010 US Attorney-General Eric Holder and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano met with their European counterparts Viviane Reding, Principal Vice-President of the European Union, EU Council Interior Minister Annemie Turtleboom and Justice Minister Steefan de Clerck, and Cecilia Malmstrom, a Swedish politician currently serving as European Commissioner for Home Affairs to discuss US-EU cyber-security and cyber-crime partnerships. Eric Holder stated:

    “We had, I think, informal conversations about the WikiLeaks matter and the concerns that it has raised in the minds of all of us. The hope here in the United States is that the investigation that we are conducting will allow us to hold the people responsible accountable” and “I think that the release of this information has put at risk American National Security, and whatever is to come… will be consistent with the concerns that I have expressed.”

    In fact, Cecilia Malmstrom and Eric Holder co-authored an article only the day before her Evening Standard piece. How chummy…

    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-299892-the-borderless-crime-against-children-by-cecilia-malmstrom-eric-holder*.html

    I doubt such close and friendly relations between an EU Interior Minister and the US Attorney-General are entirely unrelated to the former’s insistence in the Evening Standard that Assange MUST go to Swedish to face the (non-existant) charges…

    To further dispel any lingering doubt about Ms Malmstrom’s motives, the date of the conference at which her own “informal conversations” about Wikileaks with the US Attorney-General are confirmed – 9 December 2010 – is only one day after the Independent newspaper confirmed on 8 December 2010:

    “Informal discussions have already taken place between US and Swedish officials over the possibility of the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange being delivered into American custody, according to diplomatic sources”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/assange-could-face-espionage-trial-in-us-2154107.html

    Given her own involvement in similar US/EU talks only one day later and her position in Swedish politics, if Cecilia Malmstrom is now claiming to have no knowledge of high-level diplomatic discussions about “delivering Assange into US custody” – and that’s precisely what she is doing in the above Evening Standard piece – then she’s lying through her teeth.

  62. The signature music was wonderful too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rEptiZFDbk

  63. [Deleted two off-topic items from Heretic. More sock-puppeting means more deletions].

    [Deleted two items from Tony Roma - you're veering too close to homophobic abuse. Stay on topic please]

  64. News quality plunged since women started writing for newspapers.

    Oooh, a misogynist? Just the facts. Before WWII almost only men read papers. The news consisted largely of foreign affairs, politics and the occasional development in science. Men’s stuff.

    Then, editors discovered that by including horoscopes, celebrity gossip and local crime, they could capture women readers and make a killing. They could even use women writers to add appeal. It worked.

    Now, the likes of Decca Airhead form the norm. A piece on freedom fighter Julian Assange is written in shallow gossip style.

    Mr. Assange and his three associates Jacob Appelbaum, Andy Müller-Maguhn and Jérémie Zimmermann have brilliantly identified the form of the chilling order the world is moving into. Not before time. They have even analyzed this down to details.

    But Airhead’s take? She quotes and dismisses. It’s as if her message is “ooooh men! Aren’t they silly?”.

    This reflects the Guardian’s angle as a whole. And the Independent’s and the BBC’s. The world’s policeman and greatest superpower has committed untold war crimes but news on Mr. Assange is focussed on lovers’ tiffs and broken condoms.

    Written for women. Much of it written by women, the rest by men who think like women.

    Messrs Assange, Appelbaum, Müller-Maguhn, Zimmermann, Craig and Shamir, a few others too, have arrived on time. Unless men — who actually THINK like men — move back into the driving seat the world doesn’t have a hope.

  65. http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/61406/Political_Adviser_WikiLeak_Founder_Assassination_/

    Four days ago I emailed the following to the President of the University of Calgary and I am still waiting for a reply.

    ‘Dear Dr Elizabeth Cannon

    Professor Tom Flanagan should be stripped of his professorial degree for
    his comment encouraging the US President Obama to put out a contract on
    Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, to be killed by a drone.
    Professors, when I was at university, debated with people who held a
    different viewpoint by using reasoned argument. They did not threaten to
    have other academics killed. Professor Flanagan’s remarks are the kind
    expected to be heard from terrorists, not academics. And then to defend
    them by saying he felt rather ‘manly today’ only added to the disgust
    felt by reasonable people hearing his comments. Using drones to kill
    anybody is not an act of manliness; it is an act of cowardice.

    He has brought disgrace on the University of Calgary. His chair should
    be removed from him. I am offended that anyone, let alone a professor,
    could comment in such a way without censure. I should like to know what
    action the University of Calgary is taking for this offence since the
    video, which I have only just seen, is, as it should be, in the public
    domain.

    Yours sincerely

    John Goss
    B Soc Sc (International Studies with honours), University of Birmingham
    M Litt, University of Birmingham’

    Email addresses for Dr Cannon and Professor Flanagan are: president@ucalgary.ca, tflanaga@ucalgary.ca

  66. John — good informative post.

    But I’m just wondering how they could kill JA by drone and not stir up panic in the UK.

    Would they attempt to cover it up? I think news suppression on that level would be difficult.

    Or perhaps it could be somehow tied in with the recent phantom lung infection? An insect with a virus tip starts off a disease? They would say they told us so.

    But a craft any bigger than an insect would be seen by many thousands. That Knightsbridge/South Ken area is busy all the time. (Except nights?)

    How could they do it?

  67. Some kindly soul on Medialens has gone to the trouble of reproducing the Guardian “Fugitive” article with all the ad hominen nonsense taken out:

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1355062718.html

    A huge improvement and a much better, more informative read now. It really shouldn’t be all that hard for the Guardian to write ‘em this way in the first place.

  68. Arbed, 2.07 p.m. Great video. I’ve been spreading it. And for those who missed it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PZ0UgJRPhxw#t=0s

    P.S. Did R. S. pass on my latest discovery regarding McCormac?

  69. BrusselsLout, do you mean drones like these?

    http://rt.com/news/us-drones-swarms-274/

  70. Hi John,

    I don’t know if R.S. did – I certainly posted it a couple of places. By the way, very well done on your contribution to the open letter to the Nobel Laureates. The above email to University of Calgary is a corker too!

    By the way, did you see my question on the Why I’m Convinced thread (also in pole position on this one) about if anyone wants to meet up at the Ecuadorian embassy on 20 December, 7pm for the speech Assange plans from the balcony: http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-6/#comment-384878

    I was the mad idiot who brought along all the balloons in the colours of the Ecuadorian flag the crowd was holding during the last balcony speech (I get these deranged ideas from time to time… have you ever tried to bundle 150 filled balloons in the back of a transit van? Never again…) but that won’t do this time as it’ll be dark.

    Dunno, I feel the urge to do something batty, something with a bit of entertainment value, to mark the occasion but I’ve no idea what. It really needs something like the illuminated Santas and reindeer displays people put out on their yards in the States – parked just alongside the lines of police cordon they’ll set up no doubt, or besides the (apparently 80-man) police surveillance unit that’s parked permanently outside the embassy – but I’ve no idea where to source that kind of thing…

  71. John Goss, 6.14pm

    Oh, sorry, I’ve got my wired twisted. If you mean did your latest info on McCormac turn up in Flashback, yes it did.

  72. Arbed, I did see your invitation. If possible I will be there with a friend. We can try to link up although I expect it will be choc-a-bloc.

    My new information was not what I posted on this blog. But I’m not on Flashback so I do not know if it is the same. It related to McCormac in the US and investments. Was that the one?

  73. John, I meant exactly like those. Thanks.

  74. Thanks John for writing to Calgary Univ. What an outrage. I will tell Kim Petersen, one of the editors of Dissident Voice. He is a Canadian.

    It was sad to read that Hugo Chavez is ill again and that he needs more surgery. Bad news for him and for his country.

    http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7532

  75. Has everyone seen the hour long documentary: “Sex, Lies and Julian Assange”? Well worth watching. It exposes the Swedish allegations quite well. See it in full here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2EaE80TiiQ

  76. John I just saw this on Flanagan’s Wikipedia page:

    In 2010, Flanagan made controversial comments, later retracted, advocating the assassination of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.[1]

    The reference is http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2010/12/01/flanagan-wikileaks-assange.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Flanagan_(political_scientist)

  77. Hi Mary,

    Yes, I believe Flanagan is one of the charmers on this:

    The Assassination of Julian Assange
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fab1IsCZzY

    Nice music though…

  78. Oh-oh, just watched it again (long time since I first saw it) and Flanagan isn’t in this one. It’s still shocking though.

  79. I think 8.59 pm is trying to sell something. Mods, that is not what this blog is for. [Mod/Jon: yep, it was spam, now deleted]

    Thanks Mary and Arbed for your comments. As to Flanagan I would quote Mandy Rice Davis “Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he?” Even after he has committed academic hari-kari he continues to say that Julian Assange is irresponsible and puts lives at risk. What about the lives that the US military really put at risk as exposed by Julian Assange or rather Wikileaks? Flanagan’s trying to save his skin.

  80. Message for craig. Dye your bloody head. What is your problem? You know No one will notice if you dye it, it is not like she is making you dye it ginger or something.
    Bloodyhell, some people!

    While your at it work out a bit.

  81. @ John Goss @ 5.39 PM – The CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER’S GURU & ASSANGE
    .
    As a fellow resident of Calgary, I was sorry to hear back in 2010 that Professor Flanagan had foolishly called for the murder of Julian Assange. My thoughts back then were that the Prof. couldn’t have really meant what he said; but it is certainly true that Canada’s “Harper” Government seems to put the interest of power elites ahead of the rule of law, and appears comfortable when Canada’s Spy agency acts outside the law to terrorize innocent citizens.
    .
    And of course Prof. Flanagan is very influential with the government here — having been both the academic Mentor (Guru) and political Campaign Manager for Canada’s Prime Minister, Stephen Harper — and is surely in a position to know that we need organizations like Wikileaks to help us get at the truth.
    .
    For example, it was Wikileaks who first told Canadians that the former Chief of our Spy agency CSIS had finally admitted, in a cable to the Americans, that CSIS was illegally “Vigorously Harassing” Canadian residents. Since our media is too fearful of our security / intelligence apparatus to report the truth about this type of issue, Canadian Citizens would never have known about these criminal tactics without Wikileaks. My own story of persecution, intimidation and harassment is outlined on this URL:
    .
    http://zersetzen.wikispaces.com
    .
    Prof. Flanagan’s former pupil – Prime Minister Harper – is aware of the issues I have raised since they have been put before him several times. And many of these incidents are well-witnessed too. Indeed a friend of my wife’s, who is also known personally to the Harpers, was surveyed and stalked just for having lunch with my wife in a restaurant that is only 5 minutes from Prof. Flanagan’s university.

  82. “You haven’t been paying enough attention. There’s heaps of evidence of US efforts to do exactly that.”

    Sorry, but evidence of US efforts of extradition over Wikileaks and Swedish intent to investigate a rape allegation are not the same thing.

    What is being done here is that those investigating the rape allegations are, quite rightly, *unable* to offer Assange an immunity deal and that is being treated as suspicious. If you or I get asked to help the Police with inquiries into a robbery what do you think they would say if you went “OK, but promise not to ask me about any murders”?

    Mr Assange should have more faith in his fellow countrymen and the legal process of his native country. As I already said, his financial backers can provide him with the best legal team ever seen in a Swedish court house.

  83. ‘what do you think they would say if you went “OK, but promise not to ask me about any murders”? ‘

    Assange is not only saying that but he is also saying that they can question him about the ‘robbery’ but not under caution, cannot take statements and are not allowed to charge him, which makes this whole approach as an attempt at a ‘defence’ to the allegations legally irrelevant.

  84. heretic you are juddering, how can you possibly move with no legs to stand on?

    Tahnks for the excellent link John Goss, why should Mr. Flannagan use such past IRA tactics on Mr. Assange, he should take his hat and retire, I shall also write him a little ditty about using his head to think before speaking, next time, rather than his backside.

    To let you in on a secret. Rusbridger is green, because after wearing this ex Japanese breast toupee in for him, for two sweaty years, it is nowe adequate soft enough to fit his soft head.
    I’m glad that is cleared up.

    @ Mary. This is for you, I know you have a soft spot for her, i.e. from 30.000ft into an Irish peat bog. Read the news, Choe Smith is wedding soldier boy.
    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/norwich_north_mp_chloe_smith_announces_her_engagement_1_1736123

  85. Oh, ok Heretic, I can see how misinformed you are about the whole case if you are under the impression that Assange is of Swedish nationality.

    I had thought the statements you make here were because you had taken a real interest in the case, albeit a badly misinformed one. Sorry, but I’m not going to go to the trouble of correcting your false statements or providing the true facts if you’re not going to make any effort to inform yourself about the case.

  86. Oh come on anyone can see Flannagan is not being serious; obvious from his expression and his tone of voice.

    The article claiming Sweden and the US were plotting Assange’s onward extradition is two years old. Not a lot seems to have happened since, still no US warrant for his arrest. Once again it hinges on the hoary old myth that it would be easier for the US to extradite him from Sweden than the UK and nothing could be further from the truth. To begin with it would require the consent of both the UK and Swedish judiciaries which could take years.

  87. Kempe, 11.36pm

    “The article claiming Sweden and the US were plotting Assange’s onward extradition is two years old. Not a lot seems to have happened since…”

    You – and Heretic – are conveniently ignoring my 9 Dec 3.19pm post setting out how a top Swedish (and EU) politician, who called on 3rd December 2012 for Assange to “just go and answer the charges in Sweden”, has herself been working closely with the US Justice Department to facilitate Assange’s transfer to the US.

    Here’s the full history of Swedish politician Cecilia Malmstrom’s liaison with Eric Holder on the “fight against cybercrime” (aka “Get Wikileaks”). Use Google translate. Note the dates – 14 April 2011… 2 May 2012… 3 December 2012.

    https://www.flashback.org/sp40727920

    Nothing’s happened for two years? You mean, nothing’s been trumpeted in the press for two years. Hmm, wonder why they try to keep these things quiet…?

    By the way, this is just one small piece of all the political manoeuvring that’s been going on behind the scenes. Just one small piece. Believe me, there’s plenty more.

  88. Roderick Russell 12.29 am. Thanks for that additional information. Another point of interest is that the three ambassadors to Israel, from Canad, US, and UK, are all Jewish. If any poor sod (citizen that is) from Canada, US or UK needs their embassy in Tel Aviv unless they are Jewish, they can forget it. I think this is to ensure that the Israeli war machine can proceed without hindrance.

    On a separate topic the Saudis are illegally despatching condemned prisoners to destabilise Syria.

    http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/saudi-arabia-commits-war-crime-by-forced-use-of-prisoners-in-syria-insurgency/

  89. “You – and Heretic – are conveniently ignoring my 9 Dec 3.19pm post setting out how a top Swedish (and EU) politician, who called on 3rd December 2012 for Assange to “just go and answer the charges in Sweden”, has herself been working closely with the US Justice Department to facilitate Assange’s transfer to the US.”

    You’re conveniently ignoring the question of why he has to go to Sweden to be extradited to the US.

    “If any poor sod (citizen that is) from Canada, US or UK needs their embassy in Tel Aviv unless they are Jewish, they can forget it.”

    How in your twisted little mind do you work that out?

  90. Arbed, you and others fail to appreicate that the USA, the UK, and other Western states want to stop leaks from leakers, like what Bradley Manning, Gareth Williams, and Gudrun Loftus were involved in, and Julian Assange and Wikileaks are taking advantage of.

    And these states, especially Washington, are quite willing to scare others from doing so by acting like they are willing to do anything go stop it – like acting as if they will use these sexual allegations against Assange as a ruse to get their hands on him for espionage.

    Actually, they have no case against the Australian for espionage as the American legislation does not apply to him, and what he did is not spying – it’s only disclosing what it had gained from alleged spies who could also be working for foreign states, or could inform them of what they have learned.

    The whole problem was well illustrated when DCI Leon Panetta had a hit squad come here to Sweden to kill me because he thought that I was spying for some foreign state because of my articles about space weapons, and former KGB agents, especially ANITA apparently aka Angela Merkel.

    While John Young infomed me of the new threat after Säpo had chased the hit squad out of the country in February 2009, the American authorites then were satisfied with just entrapping me as ‘Jihad Jane’s whitey assassin of loony Swedish cartoonist Lars Wilks.

    Since she is still trying to entrap someone, it will be interesting to see what happens when I go to the States this weekend.

    I am not worried about being arrested as anyone’s spy – just concerned about being set up for something nasty.

    Assange would face just the same problem if he ever goes there too, either by choice or any alleged legal obligation.

    Washington will fit a person it wants to get with the appropriate remedy.

  91. Nevermind What slush from the EDP. It was like one of their advertorials.

    Anyway hope the pair of parasites lives happily ever after and that she settles down to creating lots of little McFadzean’s.

    Here he is.

    http://www.catalyst.co.uk/127-Sandyappt.html

    After her Treasury fiasco, she was sent to the salt mines in the Cabinet Office.

    How embarrassing that she proposed! Hard to tell which is which here. Miaow!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245827/Minister-Chloe-Smith-proposes-boyfriend-Sandy-McFadzean-whirlwind-4-month-romance.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

  92. Kempe – easy does it please. Arbed (and a few others on the Anna Ardin thread) know the Assange in substantial detail, so they’re worth listening to with civility even if you disagree on something. I’ve let the al-Hilli threads turn into a bun-fight (they are probably too big to moderate) but elsewhere I err slightly more towards keeping discussion good-natured.

    Thanks.

  93. Giles

    I suggest Assange, all the Embassy staff and a few hundred volunteers wear some of those Guy Fawkes masks and walk him out that way, before dispersing all over London.

    Arsalan

    You know what we should do,, all wear masks and walk out of the embassy,, assange can stay in there, You know how much it will cost them to chase as all if we keep doing it again and again?

    No, No, No not Fawkes. Everyone to wear an Alan Rusbridger mask and wig!

  94. Why did the sainted Keith Vaz, so oleaginous and puffed up, barge into the lives of Jacintha Saldanha’s grieving family in Bristol? He is not a Bristol MP. The family are Mangalorean Catholics. Perhaps he is one too. He is even meeting Glenarthur, the chair of the hospital’s trust, this afternoon. He criticized the hospital roundly for not visiting the family and only sending a letter.

    He was speaking on the World at One today.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01p6ztb 11mins 30 secs in

    ‘Labour MP Keith Vaz, who has visited Mrs Saldanha’s husband Benedict Barboza and family at their home in Bristol, said: “They will love her and cherish her and take her to India for burial.”

    He said Mrs Saldanha’s family were Mangalorean Catholics – originating from the city of Mangalore in India – and he said they were a “small, strong family”.’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20662352

    Glenarthur has had and has now many irons in the fire.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Arthur,_4th_Baron_Glenarthur

  95. @ Jon (12h42 today) – your point about the US, Canadian and UK ambassadors to Israel all being Jewish :

    while I think you exaggerate when you say God help anyone not Jewish themself going to noe of these three for help if in trouble, I do think that it’s a serious mistake to send a Jew as amabassador to Israel (or, for that matter, a Muslim to a Muslim country or a Buddhist to Thailand – not that this has actually arisen yet as far as I know). The argument for would, I suppose, be the creation of empathy and that it would be easier to get into the mindset of the host country, but the disadvantages – first and foremost, the risk of the ambassador going native – by far outweigh any possible positives. After all, one of the main reasons why these three countries normally rotate ambassadors every 4 to 5 years is precisely to avoid the going native phenomenon.

  96. Keith Vaz is probably trying to raise his profile after lying relatively low for a while following his little ….let us say, troubles. And he wants to be on the side of the good guys. Obvious, surely?

  97. Since someone is bound to try and pick a little hole in my comment, I should just add – although it’s probably obvious – that whereas a standard ambassador risks going native after a few years in post, a Jewish ambassador would have gone native before he even started. Hence better not.

  98. Seriously what of wearing an Alan Rusbridger mask with ‘real’ hair? one would not need to ask would one?
    We have not come that far, have we?
    what a challenge, or is there one already?

    Only a few days to go now before the umpteenth end of the world glass raising event, lets see which idiots will comply with it on the day.

  99. Habbabkuk,

    I think Craig said previously that British policy was explicitly not to send a Jew to Israel or a Catholic to the Holy See etc. but Blair scrapped that policy.

  100. Habbabkuk. Did you mean this? I missed it. Amazing how these MPs are like ducks shaking the water off their backs. Chutzpah in another culture.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/9577876/Keith-Vaz-Secret-police-probe-into-Labour-MPs-500000.html

  101. @ Mary : I’d love to boast and say yes it was that, but I must be honest and admit that I was thinking rather of his parliamentary expenses….Your excerpt was an interesting read and I always thought there was something not quite kosher about the man. Why should that be, I wonder? Probably ‘cos I saw him in action a few times.

    @ Anon : ah, was that the pre-Blair policy then? If so, a very sensible one. Trust Blair to fuck that up as well. Reminds me a bit of what Kingley Amis reported as Bob Conquest’s first law, which went something like this : “every organisation appears to be headed by secret agents of its worst enemy”.

  102. Shame on the Guardian.

    What a nasty snidey and cutting piece. No grace at all and no compassion for Bradley Manning now going through a hell created by Obomber and Killary.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2012/dec/10/bradley-manning-guardian-person-of-the-year-2012?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

  103. Yes Mary, and the Guardian is typically reverse-misogynist on the issue too:

    “What that kid did really focussed the world on the evil that these men can do.”

    I don’t think the Guardian ever once mentioned that it was the girl’s father who championed her right to an education. Heaven forbid that “men” ever be presented in a less evil light.

  104. Dave, are you suggesting that Alan Rusbridger is really a woman?

  105. The girl is like many thousands of innocent children caught up in America’s imperialist wars. Like the children in the van blown up by an American helicopter gunship while their unarmed father was trying to take an innocent injured Iraqi to hospital. A war crime, undoubtedly and a war crime the world would never known about if an American Private called Bradley Manning had not leaked video of the event to Wikileaks.

    Bradley Manning is in prison for the crime of reporting a crime, he deserves our support.

  106. A bit O/T, but : does anyone have the gen on Colonel Richard Kemp? For instance, he keeps being described as “..former commander of British forces in Af….stan..”.Should that read “..a former commander..”, since I don’t understand how a mere colonel could be in command of all British forces there.
    And how does he earn his living now?

  107. I think you are daft Habbabkuk. Your irrelevant invective was a tiny bit more interesting.

    The Guardians job on Manning was staggering! Purely slurring Manning as undeserving and Wikileaks as cheats robbing Malala of recognition by tweeting the poll. They had better make good with a proper person of the year article or be damned!

  108. Wikileaks did a series of tweets on that Guardian ‘poll’ (read from the bottom up):

    the idiocy of the people and the evil enemy @WikiLeaks. Just like UK and often US foreign policy the world over.
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    ..continue to pump up the institutional “meant to win” setup candidate, as an type of apology to the establishment, then blame the loss on…
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    4h WikiLeaks WikiLeaks ‏@wikileaks

    10. Finally after the whole world is printing who won, issue a sulking statement marginalising the vote, voters, the winner and…
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    9, When democracy breaks out and Manning wins the vote by a landslide 70% at first simply pretend nothing happened at all. Say nothing.
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    8. Due to provinciality at the Guardian it’s impossible for the Guardian to imagine any other Candidate would win in their UK bubbleverse
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    7. Give the preferred candidate a) the only picture b) prime position c) additional stories manipulate the vote.
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    6. A reader nominated Manning.. Accept him onto the list because they think he has no chance. Squeeze the list to a mere 6 contenstants.
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    4. Create the Guardian candidate list and front load it with the intended winner (Malala)
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    3. This week, that’s Malala, a 14 year old girl reportedly shot in the head by the Taliban who has been exploited by the pro-war lobby
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    2. Front load the Guardian “Person of the Year” list with the target that will let the Guardian rip on and on about the evil Taliban.
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    1. Decide to push pro-war Afghan war line by exploiting wounded girls similar to this CIA report released by WL http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CIA_report_into_shoring_up_Afghan_war_support_in_Western_Europe,_11_Mar_2010
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    The Guardian’s recent Person of the Year fiasco is illustrative of how the UK establishment and modern media work. Points follow (1-10).

  109. Feeling better after that, Thatcrab?

  110. There is no doubt that the girl is a victim. She is a victim of a popular NATO-countries press that paints her as a victim of a country that should be smashed and colonized.

    This is the usual strategy of using women’s issues to justify neoimperialist violence.

    Incidentally, it seems that we are now moving on from exploiting women’s issues to exploiting gays in this respect.

  111. Short exchange between Medialens editors and Mehdi Hassan. Latter ex New Statesman and now Huffington Post where he is grandly titled Political Director!

    Brief exchange with Mehdi Hasan on Decca Aitkenhead
    Posted by The Editors on December 11, 2012, 3:30 pm

    MH: Great Decca Aitkenhead interview with Sayeeda Warsi in the Grauniad

    ML: What did you think of Aitkenhead’s interview with Assange?

    MH: Havent read it. And cant be bothered to get into an Assange row with you guys today.

    ML: Thanks for your reply.

  112. I wondered why Tim Yeo was on the media this morning backing fracking.

    From Guido Fawkes

    Why Is Tim Yeo Backing Fracking?

    If Tim Yeo is doing the rounds in television studios professing his support for an idea, it’s usually not unfair to assume there must be a vested interest in there somewhere. This morning the conflicted chairman of the Energy and Climate Change select committee decided he was backing fracking, so Guido crowd-sourced his possible financial interests. The results were hardly shocking.

    From his register of interests

    Miscellaneous
    http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/yeof.jpg?w=480&h=39

    ITI Energy supplies equipment for a variety of methods of producing energy from gases. Add that to his other interests in energy investment, energy efficient vehicles and fuel cell technology, and you get the picture. Whiffy once again…
    ~~~~

    Are not some MPs revolting for their greed and self interest?

  113. Speaking of polls that don’t go the way their instigators expect, the London Bookfair team are asking for nominations for people of outstanding achievement in international publishing.

    http://www.londonbookfair.co.uk/en/Forms1/Lifetime-Achievement-Award-Nomination/

    (flippin’ heck Captcha, I needed a calculator for that one!)

  114. A piechart examining the controversial state of disagreement among Climate Change experts.

    The charts colour scheme might strike some as perjorative but as likely it was choosen to maximise the visibility of the datas distribution.

  115. Jim McDonald

    12 Dec, 2012 - 2:24 am

    My god!!! I’ve just been watching BBC Newsnight tonight about Syria….. Is there any end to the shite that these so called jounalists talk. I think his name is Gavin Estler …. They are either lying psychopaths, or they are too stupid to be doing the job….

  116. Jim McDonald. It was a shocking piece of propaganda to hasten a full scale war or ‘intervention’ as they like to call it.

    I left a comment last night on the later post.
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/12/swing-to-mahama-across-nation/#comment-385405

    The link to the Newsnight segment is http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01pdy79/Newsnight_11_12_2012/ 21.40 in

    The name of the presenter is Gavin Esler, well known here. He treated Craig disgracefully before. A well known propagandist for the gangsters-in-charge as I affectionately call our rulers.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/08/naming-anna-ardin-on-newsnight/

  117. LeonardYoung

    12 Dec, 2012 - 8:17 am

    What is most depressing is that many of my friends and acquaintances, while claiming to be liberal thinkers, hold on to the notion that the Guardian is the same newspaper they read several decades ago when it was the Manchester Guardian. Some of those same people still believe that new labour is a party of the middle left.

    These are not entirely stupid people, but they find the greatest difficulty adjusting to the reality of what traditional media has become – a funnel through which corporate and other vested interests pour.

    I was shocked, even knowing the Guardian’s descent into dreadful journalism, at the ungracious and bitter acknowledgement of Manning’s win, with its perfectly clear assertion that the vote was somehow rigged. Sour grapes all round.

    Looking at the comments beneath that piece on Manning, I am even more shocked at the attitudes of what are supposed to be intelligent readers who appear staggeringly obedient to the rubbish they have been fed about Assange, Manning or anyone else who simply released information much of which should have been in the public domain in the first place.

    Apparently aware people who consider themselves liberal and fair, are actually expressing the view that the US’s appalling disregard for the rule of law and its own constitution is ok. Yet Manning’s treatment IS torture.

    I despair. The marginalisation of this website and many other internet resources for decent information outside of the mainstream has lead to a parallel universe of information streams. The former is aware of the latter, but the latter ignores the former. I never thought I would reach the point where even the Daily Mail (in some reports) is giving me better, less biased information than the Guardian!

  118. Don’t despair – the fact that Bradley Manning did win the poll tells us that more people were aware of what is going on than were led by the nose to vote for the Guardian’s choice. Thousands, according to the sour grapes post, voted Manning. The Guardian thinks there are two camps – Guardian staff and loyal readers on the one hand and Wikileaks sympathisers on the other. It has not occurred to them, and so they cannot show you, that a lot of the people who buy (or as in my case used to buy) the Guardian are in the other camp, and desperately trying to show the Guardian team where they’ve gone wrong.

  119. Mary, Leonard, Moniker – Hear, hear! Couldn’t agree with you more.

    Here’s an article that makes a good “anniversary” overview. Washington’s The Hill on 12 December 2010. Look how things were reported then on the extraordinary measures US officials were going to in their efforts to prosecute Wikileaks. Then read the comments beneath it for a contemporary view of how US citizens saw Wikileaks two years ago:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/133199-justice-department-weighs-charges-against-wikileaks

    Just goes to show how much of the US admin’s campaign to make it somehow acceptable to extradite Julian Assange for espionage has been waged through smears and vilification by its servile lackeys, the MSM press (especially the Guardian and New York Times, both furiously trying to avoid the same treatment for the same ‘crime’ themselves)

    Here’s another one. Not exactly two years ago, this one – it’s dated 15 December 2010 – but it’s brilliant. Adriana Huffington in the Huffington Post:

    “The Media Gets It Wrong on WikiLeaks: It’s About Broken Trust, Not Broken Condoms”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/the-media-gets-it-wrong-o_b_797436.html

    Just following some of the excellent links Adriana includes in that article is an education all in itself.

    And here’s one dated 10 December 2010 from ABC News. It shows that Wikileaks lawyers were already hearing from US lawyers that an indictment was imminent (doesn’t actually specify it would be a sealed one, though). Also notable for the outrageous outright lies Claus Borgstrom, the Swedish state-paid legal ‘counsellor’ for the two women, was putting out in the press at the time. Anne Ardin and Sophie Wilen were Wikileaks employees? According to Claus Borgstrom, they were. Yeah, right… Look at what he says:

    “They were attacked by Mr. Assange and then they are treated like perpetrators themselves,” attorney Claes Borgstrom told ABC News. “He has molested them and then sacrificed them for his own interests.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/assange-lawyers-prepare-us-espionage-indictment/story?id=12362315#.UMhWoqZw1IJ

    I know that Borgstrom has been reported to the Swedish bar for making prejudicial statements in the press ahead of the never-gonna-happen-in-a-million-years “trial”, which is illegal under Swedish law, but that was in respect of similar statements Borgstrom made after Assange’s asylum was granted in August this year. I wonder if this statement to ABC News could be added to the report filed against Borgstrom?

    I’ve added this last link to the “Why I’m Convinced” thread, in the hope that someone from the Swedish Flashback forum will pick it up and maybe do something with it along those lines:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-6/#comment-385456

  120. Assange looks to contest Senate election, Would you vote for Julian Assange?
    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/assange-looks-to-contest-senate-election-20121212-2ba43.html

    Readers poll : Yes – 68%

  121. PS – Poll closes in 20 hours

  122. I’ve voted in that poll.
    If elected, I assume it would still give Assange no immunity from extradition to the U.S.

  123. @Dreoilin
    “If elected, I assume it would still give Assange no immunity from extradition to the U.S.”

    Correct, but Assange has no illusions about that. It would however put more political pressure on the US as it would force them into a situation of having to decide whether to bring charges against a sitting member of a democratic parliament, with all the potential and unexpected consequences of such action. How will other politicians feel about that, including American pollies? My concern is how Australian politicians will try to sabotage the democratic process that will see his election and participation.

  124. He’s doing well so far

    Yes 74%
    No 26%

  125. The dead tree print media is on the way out economically and that’s a material change about which they can do little. They’ll just have to compete on the interwebby like everyone else.

    The only threat to that is govt legislation and/or if the majority of people passively use the internet in such a way that it mimics a broadcast medium.

    There’ll definitely be govt legislation to increase corporate power on the internet against the individual user and alliances of same. They’ll dress it up as protecting us from paedos, money laundering, terrorists or drugs as they always fdo. The reality is that we need protection only from govt, its agencies and corporates.

    I’m not convinced that most people will use the internet in other than a passive way, but live in hope.

    Anyway, Assange is definitely to be supported. He’s one of the few who leads the way in showing us how we can free ourselves using these new forms of communication.

    His enemies are our enemies, the corporates and government – the fascist state.

  126. Pauline Barten.

    12 Dec, 2012 - 7:27 pm

    I think he may be auditioning for the Abba tribute band.

  127. LOL Pauline.

    Arbed, Thanks for that link to The Hill article. The comments thereto essentially by Americans were very reassuring. I wonder if there is a swing away from support to Assange since then. I’d welcome an overview from American contributors here…or any links thereto.

  128. Loving it.

    Poll: Would you vote for Julian Assange?
    Yes 72%
    No 28%

    Poll closed 13 Dec, 2012

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/assange-looks-to-contest-senate-election-20121212-2ba43.html#ixzz2Euvkp7k7

  129. There’s been a request to “tell the world” about this one.

    The Swedish FOI site Undermattan and another blog specialising in leaks of Swedish Government malfeasance – corruptio.blog.com/ – have both been abruptly closed down. Both are heavily pro-Assange and are venues where crucial information about the Swedish handling of the sex case against Assange has first emerged.

    Use Google translate on this page. It gives a list of the names and times of networks visiting the Undermattan site immediately prior to the closure. Very revealing:

    https://gnuheter.com/creeper/site/undermattan.com

    Here’s the explanation Undermattan received from its host to their enquiry as to why they’d been closed down. The answer was apparently that it was done at the behest of the Swedish Army Special Intelligence unit:

    http://callisendorff.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/bloggen-undermattan-com-stand-av-sveriges-regering-precis-som-corruptio-blog-com/

    Hmmmm…

  130. Also spotted in the Mail. Sally Bercow is being sued for £50,000 by McAlpine!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247537/Lord-McAlpine-sues-Sally-Bercow-50-000-Twitter-slur.html

  131. Olga Khazan of the Washington Post seems confident that the US will have him “behind bars” by the time the Australian election takes place ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/12/assange-wikileaks-party-australia/ ):

    “Assange wouldn’t be the first person to run for public office from behind bars. For example, American union leader Eugene Debs won 3.4 percent of the vote in the 1920 presidential election while in jail on sedition charges in Atlanta.”

  132. Wikileaks’ Christmas letter to Santa Claus? ;)

    “Eleven secret documents Americans deserve to see”:

    http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/11-secret-documents-americans-deserve-to-see-121210?news=846439

    Personally, I’d give my eye teeth for Nos. 3, 7 and 11 – all sound dodgy as f**k.

  133. Why especally in America?

    Massive New Surveillance Program Uncovered by Wall Street Journal
    By Ryan Gallagher
    Dec. 13, 201

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/12/13/national_counterterrorism_center_s_massive_new_surveillance_program_uncovered.html

    Did the surveillance industry in the US flow from 9/11 or is there some other explanation as to why the American people have allowed themselves to be so closely monitored.

    Here there is great resistance to Cameron and May’s plan to introduce the Communications Data Act yet we allow 800 CCTV cameras in a London borough such as Hammersmith and Fulham.


  134. Ill be looking out for the results of Nadias makeover of Craig. I am making preparations to go with the aging punk rockstar look, over the cliniquelle grand-droid.

  135. oops sorry meant NadiRa.

    Another suggest – the old salty sea dog, character and charm.

  136. “is there some other explanation as to why the American people have allowed themselves to be so closely monitored. ”
    It is a technology so open to abuse because in locations where physical crimes might occur, it is (considered in isolation) so useful /marketable in practice.
    The development of communication networks, and the minaturisation of cameras and analysis computers, combine together to drive to be deployed widely in this role. Only regulation can hold them back.

  137. MerkinOnParis

    23 Dec, 2012 - 5:45 pm

    Do The Rusbridger’s have matching wig stands?
    I think we should be told.

    What if they made a mistake after too much Christmas cheer?

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