Craig Murray in Cotton Corruption Scandal

by craig on March 11, 2013 11:44 am in Uncategorized

Criminal accusations of corruption have been made against Craig Murray:


he lobbied so-called businessmen including those from Pakistan willing to get cotton and other state contracts, those people had contacts with different Uzbek clan representatives including Bekzod Akhmedov. Akhmedov was seen many times in Craig Murray and his pseudo businessmen’s company in dens of iniquity of the capital, Bekzod Akhmedov’s favorite venues.

The allegations must be taken extremely seriously because they come from an Ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva. The lady in question is of course Gulnara Karimova, daughter of the President of Uzbekistan. As is her usual method, she gave an interview to a glossy magazine journalist in Switzerland not given to probing questioning. Even this publication baulked at publishing these extraordinary statements, so she gave the full works on her blog:

For example yesterday in Geneva, on the first day of spring, we had another “support team” visiting us, those who are always ready to work off their payments while not having anything else to do, any other interests, hobbies or a properly paid job. A group of a few people including a cameraman, a lady of Uzbek origin Mutabar Tadjibaeva, who introduces herself as a president of the «Club des Coeurs Ardents» and guess who else? Exactly! Craig Murray – ex-ambassador to Uzbekistan, who had been scandalously fired from the British Foreign Office. He lived in Tashkent for a long time and had a relationship and even got married to a strip-bar dancer, he lobbied so-called businessmen including those from Pakistan willing to get cotton and other state contracts, those people had contacts with different Uzbek clan representatives including Bekzod Akhmedov. Akhmedov was seen many times in Craig Murray and his pseudo businessmen’s company in dens of iniquity of the capital, Bekzod Akhmedov’s favorite venues. It seems like the group of people that visited us in Geneva wanted to congratulate us with spring and express their grievance by screaming and as they said they wanted me or my sister Lola to come out. They attempted to sneak inside and walk around the house recording it all on video and we had nothing to do, but call the police and make our own video of this March invasion of “human right defenders” as they call themselves.

It is obvious, that those people mentioned above, a group of bloggers and professional PR firm such as R&R were not catalyzed accidentally. The core of the artificially initiated scandal is lost, constant threats, that someone will say something, someone like Bekzod Akhmeodv who is wanted by Interpol due to his relation to the investigation of MTS activities in Uzbekistan, who from the beginning was under the MTS-Russia protection and requested on January, 9 2013 refugee status with his big family. Also threats came for last three months from lawyers who were stating that they will have newspapers like Financial Times publish all they have, all that Bekzod Akhmedov could compose over almost a year which was accepted with pleasure by MTS lobbyists. Where else could you see such involvement at official level and could this be possible without high-reaching goals, even if it is done in such a straight way?

I might as well state for the record that to my knowledge I have never met or had any contact with Mr Bekzod Akhmedov, I have certainly never been in his social company, let alone on a “den of inquity” (though that does sound fun). I have never met any Pakistani businessmen in or to discuss Uzbekistan and I have never sought any role for myself in trading Uzbek cotton.

I certainly did visit Gulnara’s US $25 million mansion in Geneva, because I wanted to see where the proceeds of forced child labour in the Uzbek cotton fields went. I intend to do so again. I hope lots of people will – its at No. 7, Rue Prevote, Cologny, Geneva.

Gulnara’s peculiar attack on me for the “crime” of looking at her house appears a rather desperate reaction to increasing knowledge of her activities. The Chief Executive of Telesonera, Sweden’s largest telecommunications firm, had to resign recently over corrupt payments to Gulnara. In a decision reminiscent of Blair’s shutdown of the BAE Saudi bribes prosecution, Swedish authorities decided there was no public interest in prosecuting. Gulnara’s Swiss registered holding company Zeromax has been declared bankrupt, owing half a billion dollars to the state in taxes, and its assets confiscated then reprivatised to … Gulnara. Russian Telecoms giant MTS has been kicked out of Uzbekistan, substantially reducing available services there.

All of the above were examples of Gulnara kicking out fellow oligarchs from business interests which she held in partnership with others, to take the lot for herself. That has left a lot of despoiled oligarchs rather rueful. This centralisation of cash prior to a succession battle is a very high risk strategy. It is telling that Gulnara refers to my contact with Uzbek “clans”. In the Uzbek context, this does not mean tribe, but rather something more akin to regionally based mafia groupings, with whom the common people of the region have no identity. Gulnara is in the middle of a major rupture with Gafur Rakhimov, the largest mafia boss whose alliance with Karimov had been central to the regime’s stability.

I do not imagine Gulnara really believes I am connected to any of these rival mafia interests, though it is possible she is really that crazy. But plainly she is very rattled, or she would not be drawing all this attention to her business interests.

Two small points from the above. Firstly, one passage seems to reveal that the “interviewer” from Bilan was a chum of hers.

and guess who else? Exactly! Craig Murray – ex-ambassador to Uzbekistan,

I don’t think an ordinary Swiss journalist would have any idea who I was, let alone know I had called at the house.

This is one of my all time favourite tough journalist questions:

You are leading the list of most popular personalities from Central Asia in 2012 on search engines such as Google and Yandex. You are almost every day active on Twitter where you post many of your photos. How is this all related?

Final point – the first sentence of this post refers to me in the third person not because I have gone delusional, but so it works well as a retweet.

I have every hope the Karimov regime will fall in spring 2015.

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377 Comments

  1. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    11 Mar, 2013 - 11:52 am

    Gulnara is so…..s m e a r y….. it is a wonder that she can lift one dainty foot from the sticky slime trail she leaves behind in order to step forward.

  2. Mutabar Tadjibaeva was tortured in the Uzbek regime’s prisons for speaking the truth, and she survived only thanks to her remarkable courage and strength (and some foreign pressure that got her released). She and Gulnara are in moral terms perhaps as different as any two people on earth could possibly be, almost to the extent that they should be considered to hail from different species. For Gulnara to make ridiculous accusations against you, Craig, is as you say, just risible and crazy. But for her to dismiss Mutabar Tajdibaeva like this is truly disgusting and really fills me with rage.

  3. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    11 Mar, 2013 - 12:20 pm

    P Charles and the No 2 Croc wife are crawling around the ME dictators and human rights abusers… again. Truly appalling.

    Prince Charles urged to tell “truth” about Saudi Arabia’s human rights record
    11 Mar 2013
    He will spend three days, along with wife Camilla, in the country as part of a nine-day royal tour of the Middle East
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-charles-urged-tell-truth-1755581

    ~~~
    Did anyone see the giggling old fogey last night on Countryfile with the BBC toads like Baker, Bradbury, Henson and Craven crawling round him. HRH spoke of a legacy for our grandchildren. Quite but rather than promoting hedge laying and suchlike, he might like to encourage a world free of war and one where all people are equal and have equality of opportunity and access to resources.

  4. Have they got that Campbell(end) fellow working for them?

    ‘and guess who else? Exactly! Craig Murray – ex-ambassador to Uzbekistan’…. it’s the ‘exactly’ that makes it art. Geez, if you’re gonna hire a corporate hack, at least hire one who can, you know, write…but I guess I digress.

    All the best Craig, if this is their opening salvo, it’s pretty pathetic.

  5. Craig you rascally rascal attending “den of inequities” !

    This fishwife at large for UN indeed has taken a swipe at you, trouble may arise, from the fact that not many empty headed, airhead fishwives can be mustered for her “list of grave charges” that did not include you taking a leak against a lamp post in Tashkent (to keep it all in good taste) to hold sway.

    It is such a pitiful state of affairs that a none thinking shallow creature such as Gulnara Karimova can in fact exploit the poor cotton picking Uzbek slave children, purely based on force and coercion.

  6. Philip Atticus

    11 Mar, 2013 - 12:47 pm

    I’m still scratching my head as to how a “professional PR firm” would choose to work with a “professional blogger” like, ahem, Craig Murray (No offense Craig!) to bring down Uzbekistan. There are definitely easier subjects to work with. Maybe she has been watching too much “Mad Men?”

    But I suppose congratulations are in order.

  7. She was sufficiently rattled by your friendly visit in Geneva, this article is saying just that, hence her moaning.

    But she accuses you of breaking, entering and making video’s, surely a poor show when we compare this to the bleeding hands of young children working long days in utterly deprived circumstances.

    maybe she is not getting enough… which is explainable when you realise that her whole existence is dependent on the love of gangsters such as Salim Abduvaliyev and Gafur Rakhimov.
    I mean, who would want to touch her

    http://www.uznews.net/news_single.php?lng=en&cid=4&nid=3013

  8. Uzbek in the UK

    11 Mar, 2013 - 12:59 pm

    I suppose swearing is not acceptable on this blog, thus I am keeping a silence. I have little more to offer than swearing on this blood thirsty bitch. Her behaviour is like cannibals preaching about value of human life.

    All her interviews (and especially those which are published on Uzbek web sites and republished in Uzbek Media) are given to pocket and usually low rating and low quality foreign newspapers and magazines. It is very well known mechanism by which Uzbek media need some references to foreign sources in order to republish the news with more pomposity for local population.

  9. Gulnara is evil, but she is quite hot. I wouldn’t mind giving her a a good shag

  10. For what its worth, last time I stopped a night in an Istanbul hotel the only decent programme I could find on the TV was Qur’an recitation from Uzbekistan at early morning prayer time. Interesting that Turkey sourced that from its cultural roots rather than some home-grown Islamic group because it shows that within the Turkish Sufi community Uzbekistan is highly respected in spite of having been in the Soviet block and its current involvement in the rar on terror exodus from Afghanistan.

    This Sufi tradition is involves dependancy on a sheikh unlike our own protestant independency of religious faith. The East in general is uncomfortable and unfamiliar with individuals challenging authority. This sideswipe from Gulnara reminds me of laborious imitations of Western culture I have seen from the Chinese. Don’t be deceived by this magazine interview format into thinking that freedom of thought and speech are not deeply detested and just the same.

  11. Carther Rump

    11 Mar, 2013 - 1:37 pm

    Does she have assets in the UK? If so, why not sue for libel? You’d easily get a lawyer on a CFA: the case is clear.

  12. O/T, sorry (Blame Jemand – he asked me to keep developments regarding the Swedish case against Assange in the public eye :))

    A one-off demonstration outside the Sweden embassy in London – 11 Montagu Place, London W1H 2AL – in support of Julian Assange, and to demand that he be questioned by the Swedish authorities in the Ecuadorian embassy here in London, will start from 3pm on Tuesday 19th March. (I expect it will last until at least 6pm to give some people a chance to come down after work – if they work in the city, that is.)

    Anyone who wants further details can email LonFoWL@outlook.com

    I’m going myself and there has been some interest expressed by people from the Swedish forum Flashback in coming over for the day to show solidarity and that many Swedish citizens also believe that the current position of their government/prosecution authority over “L’Affaire Assange” is wrong.

    I suspect, given day and time, that turn-out is going to be quite small. Anyone here fancy coming along to help bump up the numbers?

    Meanwhile, over in Sweden, bang goes the theory that Assange will be “safer in Sweden, or at least as ‘safe’, from extradition to the US than he is in the UK” – the Swedish government is introducing new legislation to criminalise publication of war-disclosures by foreign media as “espionage”:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expressen.se%2Fdebatt%2Fkrigsjournalistik-maste-fa-vara-fri%2F

    As you can see, even the Swedish MSM are extremely worried about this latest announcement and see it as especially dangerous for journalists.

    Here’s Flashback’s full discussion of the implications for Assange of this new legal push – which should be obvious to even the most wilfully blind. Flashback sets out chapter and verse of how it will all fit in with Sweden’s extradition laws:

    https://www.flashback.org/t1275257p4339

    You’ll have to use Google translate for both links, sorry.

  13. resident dissident

    11 Mar, 2013 - 2:06 pm

    We all know which is the biggest and most powerful clan in Uzbekistan – but it is interesting to see that it is feeling a little insecure.

  14. Uzbek in the UK

    11 Mar, 2013 - 2:18 pm

    It is more likely that this is outrage than insecurity. In Uzbekistan ‘intruders’ like Mr Murray and Mutabar Tadjibaeva would have been shot on the spot. Goosha’s private house in centre of Tashkent has 24 hours armed security both inside and outside of the property as well as 4 metres high concrete wall.

  15. Arbed, Thanks for details of the London demo. Again I might not be able to make it because of the dogs. But we’ll see.

    Another very important demo, (as well as Arbed’s and the one at Rue Prevote, Cologny, Geneva) is this Sunday outside the US embassy (2-4 p.m.) on behalf of Guantanamo prisoners who have been on hunger strike for above a month (and MSM has not reported this).

    http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/03/04/guantanamo-prisoners-on-hunger-strike-against-new-guard-force-confiscating-personal-items/

  16. Sorry I should have included this link.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/542576675786639/

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 3:57 pm

    “P Charles and the No 2 Croc wife are crawling around the ME dictators and human rights abusers… again. Truly appalling.”

    A mere THREE POSTS in and our friend MARY is already off-topic, raving on about the Royals.

    This is a pity because the original blog is an interesting one. And I believe it shows considerable disrespect towards the host.

    BTW, why specify that Camilla is his second wife? Is there any problem woth that? Should I refer to Mary as “the widow Mary”? No, sp once more, PLEASE LAY OFF adding irrelevant personal details about the people you’re having a go at.

    THANK YOU!

  18. What makes you think that Karimov will fall in Spring 2015, any more than Kim Wrong-Un?

  19. Uzbek in the UK

    11 Mar, 2013 - 4:25 pm

    Theoretically and this needs to be stressed, his 1st 7 years term will finish by January 2015. Considering that by the time he will be 2 years short of 80 and he poor heath (as speculated) and the fact that clans (mafia groups as stressed by Mr Murray) started to move forces on the after Karimov time, odds are he will not put himself forward, or if he is, he will not live much longer than 1-2 years after his ‘re-election’. Another factor to straighten this is that Karimova sisters are exporting capital in large quantities in the last couple of years and purchasing properties abroad.

    However; major concern remains that for karimov anything but presidential chair is not acceptable as like millennia old history shows that in Central Asia former rulers are not much appreciated and can be easily found dead hours after giving up (or forced giving up) their thrones.

    Whether he is or he is not president after 2015 does not change the fact that 2016 will be marked by similar (if not worse) brutality, corruption and slave labour. The reason is that no opposition (alternative thinking) exists at present and it will take decades for such opposition to develop.

  20. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    11 Mar, 2013 - 4:44 pm

    Keep up.

    My comment… connection === dictators …ME human rights abusers….

    Craig’s post… connection === karimov ..dictator and human rights abuser…

    Viper. Remember. Personal insult.

  21. This is a pity because the original blog is an interesting one. And I believe it shows considerable disrespect towards the host.

    BTW, why specify that Camilla is his second wife? Is there any problem woth that? Should I refer to Mary as “the widow Mary”? No, sp once more, PLEASE LAY OFF adding irrelevant personal details about the people you’re having a go at.

    THANK YOU!

    What with this false concern for Craig’s blog? and then trying to discern what is and is not appropriate. Craigs blog has always thrived from these cross posts, that’s why it has reached such popularity, no thanks to your pedantries.

    Now to your other, more personal foible, Charles’s second wife. You must watch your blood pressure with issues that matter so much to you.

    You do not know much, do you? Here in Norfolk its well known that Camilla was his wife and that he never stopped loving her, throughout his first marriage. Hopping the country houses at weekends, inviting oneself here, there and everywhere is the reality.

    Sorry to have disturbed your mind, obviously full of tabloid petty foggery, with facts.

  22. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 5:01 pm

    @ Mary :

    and the several lines on the “giggling old fogey” on Countryfile which you were kind enough to share with us?

    On topic? NO.

    An insult? YES.

    Your self-awarenesss : ZERO

  23. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    11 Mar, 2013 - 5:04 pm

    Boomtownchav Excuse me for saying but if you are one of Frankie Boyle’s 1.3m followers on Twitter, you are being just a wee bit precious aren’t you? Even if you just read it, you have a stronger stomach than me. That was my first visit just now and some of it is just scurrilous.

    https://twitter.com/frankieboyle

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jakewallissimons/100205941/its-time-to-boycott-frankie-boyle/

    PS I am not in the least bit conceited. You are making false accusations.

  24. Viktor Tashkentskiy

    11 Mar, 2013 - 5:16 pm

    “I have every hope the Karimov regime will fall in spring 2015.”
    Why so late? Please do not wish smth crazy! We want him to fall now, these days, any minute.

  25. Viktor Tashkentskiy

    11 Mar, 2013 - 5:20 pm

    Carther Rump
    11 Mar, 2013 – 1:37 pm
    Does she have assets in the UK? If so, why not sue for libel? You’d easily get a lawyer on a CFA: the case is clear.

    Yes, she does. Companies in secretive names of people who work for her. She also has properties in Oxford where her son is attending a college.

  26. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 6:28 pm

    Nevermind :

    Now I’m going to ber very kind, and ceryt patient with you. Put down your copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion for a moment, let your wife carry on with the knitting, have a glass of water and an aspirin to hand, and listen very carefully. You will be a wiser, and therefore better, person after it.

    Have you ever noticed that Craig, our host, has not opened a thread on the Royal Family or the Monarchy? Nor has he suggested that he might do so, or asked for people’s opinion on whether he should do so.

    Now, do you think that’s just an oversight on old Craig’s part? Getting a bot forgetful, perhaps?

    Or do you think it might just be because, in the greater scheme of things, he thinks there are more important, more pressing or more serious subjects to blog about?

    This being so, what gives you and others (Mary is of course the worst culprit) the idea that you know better than Craig?

    The best way of showing him some respect would be not to fawn, but to keep on-topic when he lauches a thread.

    Can’t say fairer than that, can I.

    *********

    La vita è bella, life is good! (please show some respectà

  27. Why not show some respect to Craig and his blog by not using multiple and fake identities?

    That would be a start.

    A fraud AND a hypocrite is our little HabbaTroll.

  28. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    11 Mar, 2013 - 7:01 pm

    If the Resident Inviligator allows, I am posting this.

    I have just seen a distressing item on BBC London News. 21 families were being evicted today (in this bitterly cold weather) with nowhere to go. The housing association’s lease has run out and the property has to be returned to the ground landlord which is the Met. It was said that this is because their budget has been cut and they have to redevelop the site, ie flog it off to the highest bidder. It will not be used for more social housing you can bet. The poor souls. Women were weeping as the contractors were boarding up the windows and doors. What a world.

    http://occupynewsnetwork.co.uk/save-our-homes-haringey-say-no-to-forcing-people-out-their-home-for-profits/

    PS Resident Invigilator. Vamoosh. Label here for you.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/12567713@N00/2245586106/

  29. Carther Rump

    11 Mar, 2013 - 7:40 pm

    @ Viktor Tashkentskiy:

    When you say her son is attending an Oxford college do you mean a college of the university? If so, it might be interesting to know how he got there, in particular whether or not Karimova donated any money to the college. Since admissions are handled by the colleges and the colleges are financially independent from the university there is always scope for “encouraging” the admission of someone who would not make it in on academic ability alone. Easily checked…just needs a FOI request…

  30. Viktor Tashkentskiy

    Thanks. Can you get any more details on her assets in the UK? If you don’t want to post here, the contact button at top of page will send me an email/

  31. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 8:29 pm

    @ Jives :

    All this talk about multiple and fake identities has got me thinking – you wouldn’t be Never-a-mind, would you? Funny how you replied to my post addressed to him within a few minutes (not the first time either, and vice-versa…)

    Is there one Eminence less than I had thought…?

    **********

    La vita è bella, life is good! (expose the fakes)

  32. OT

    Habbabkuk repeatedly accuses others of posting off-topic. I thought it would be interesting to check his record in this regard:

    He has made 15 posts today on 3 threads.
    Number of posts attacking other posters = 15
    Number of posts on topic = 0
    There was noticeable dirruption on all three threads following his appearance.

    times of posting and person attacked:

    11 Mar, 2013 – 3:29 pm
    Nevermind

    11 Mar, 2013 – 3:12 pm
    Mary

    11 Mar, 2013 – 3:07 pm
    Nevermind

    11 Mar, 2013 – 11:50 am
    Nevermind

    11 Mar, 2013 – 11:48 am
    Nevermind

    11 Mar, 2013 – 11:46 am
    Nevermind

    11 Mar, 2013 – 11:36 am
    Brian Fujisan :

    11 Mar, 2013 – 11:29 am
    Mary

    11 Mar, 2013 – 8:33 am
    Mary

    11 Mar, 2013 – 8:23 am
    Brian Fujisan

    11 Mar, 2013 – 6:38 pm
    Fred

    11 Mar, 2013 – 6:57 pm
    Mary

    11 Mar, 2013 – 3:57 pm
    MARY

    11 Mar, 2013 – 5:01 pm
    Mary

    11 Mar, 2013 – 6:28 pm
    Nevermind

  33. Sorry, make that:

    Number of posts attacking other posters = 16
    Number of posts on topic = 0

    It’s hard keeping up with him.

  34. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 8:45 pm

    A Node; We’re giving negative attention to those in dire need. As soon as that well dries, the critter will seek resources, elsewhere.

  35. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 8:49 pm

    @ Node :

    just to coplete your admirable survey, how many of my posts are in response to attacks on me?

  36. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 9:05 pm

    @ Node :

    suspecting bad faith on your part, I thought I’d do a spot check on one of the posts of mine you cited.

    Here’s what I found.

    Fred posts at 14h20 saying “we know the security services and the police infiltrate radical groups as a matter of routine”.

    On which I commented as follows (18h38): “I should jolly well hope so. THey would be failing in their duty and not fit for purpose if they didn’t”.

    Can you point me to the “attack” involved in my comment? Thank you.

    No doubt if I could be bothered to check your other “examples” I should find the same degree of….shall I say dishonesty?

    ************

    La vita è bella, life is good! (beware false statistics)

  37. Thanks to Craig and all other Uzbek commentators, my grasp of these issues is embarrassingly limited and I am finding these threads highly informative and useful.

    Is it likely Karimova will just be replaced by another Stooge when his term expires?

  38. Ben, you’re right. He craves attention and I’m wrong to give it.
    Those statistics are pretty damning, though.

  39. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    11 Mar, 2013 - 9:07 pm

    I have said it for a long time that it is very obvious that he/she was sent here for the sole purpose of disrupting the threads and causing the blog to be held in disrepute. An unpleasant atmosphere has also been created. No wonder Jon the remaining moderator thinks the way he does.

  40. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    BTW, A Node, that was from the “As big as terroriism thread”.

    Here’s another, from the “NHS in meltdown thread”. You cite my post of O8h23 but forget to mention that it was in reply to this charmer from Brian Fujisan ;
    “Whatever happened to your concern for Craig’s health, you little C%nt”

    I suppose you’re relying on the fact that few people will bother to check your claims.

    You are a fool and a liar.

  41. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    “Those statistics are pretty damning, though.”

    Indeed. But the blowback is inevitable.

  42. She writes atrociously. Seriously, it’s borderline gibberish. I distrust anyone who can’t string a sentence together. It doesn’t have to be Milton, just vaguely coherent.

    In fairness, she’s probably bonkers.

  43. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 9:38 pm

    Mary :

    have you ever really asked yourself why most of my comments are addressed to just a handful of the score or so of regular contributors to this blog?

    have a think about it and if you come up with any insights please share them with me and all the other readers.

  44. You asked the question about yourself –You answer it Habbabkuk.

    Tell us and all the other readers.

  45. “It doesn’t have to be Milton”

    Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixgc_FGam3s

  46. resident dissident

    11 Mar, 2013 - 10:03 pm

    Getting back to the topic – there are some reports that Bekzod Akhmedov has been arrested in Russia and been returned to Uzbekistan – if true by guess is that the Karimov clan may well have been forced to bend the knee to the rather larger Russin clan that controls MTS and Akhmedov has been offered up as peace offering. Perhaps the clan leader is keen to strengthen his foreign operations given that the long term prospects for the Syrian branch are none too rosy. Mario Puzo is an excellent guide to understanding politics in this part of the world btw.

    http://littleskylark.com/blog/the-media-learned-of-the-capture-of-general-director-of-uzbekistan-daughters-of-the-mts/

  47. resident dissident

    11 Mar, 2013 - 10:14 pm

    from her blog “the University of World Economy and Diplomacy (where I also did a lecturing stint),”

    For some reason she omits the rather pertinent fact that this is a state controlled university in Tashkent. But I’m sure her audience gave a deafening tound of applause at the end of each lecture.

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 10:34 pm

    @ Crab :

    you must learn to read carefully, Crab.

    Once you’ve done so, you’ll understand that the question was addressed to Mary, not to myself.

    Not that I’m expecting an answer, of course, but it did seem fair to give her the opportunity. Feel free to stand in for her if you wish, Crab, but you’ll really have to try harder if you want to be of service.

    One tip for essaying an answer if you’re up for it : think about whether there are any significant differences between Craig’s posts and the comments from the Eminences which those posts attract.

  49. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    11 Mar, 2013 - 10:35 pm

    Shame on the BBC, Correra and Gardner who tried to do the same but failed. Vile people.

    ‘The BBC’s closeness to the Home Office has come under fire after the corporation’s security correspondent Gordon Corera accepted a formal role at a behind-closed-doors counter-terrorism event.

    The Security and Policing Exhibition 2013, which opens in Farnborough today, aims to showcase and sell Britain’s security expertise to overseas governments.

    Delegates from dozens of states – including some with questionable human rights records – will attend seminars and speeches from leading UK police officers, Whitehall officials and ministers.

    While the Home Office has blocked all press requests to attend the conference, citing “national security”, it emerged yesterday that Mr Corera is due to chair a masterclass on cyber-security this afternoon. His role was only confirmed by the Home Office after if initially claimed that no journalists had been invited.’
    /..

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/bbc-impartiality-under-fire-for-correspondents-role-in-security-summit-8529962.html

    No surprise that a cathedral offered to host the nasty bunch for their dinner. They will do anything for money nowadays as their congregations die off. At least someone there had a conscience and responded to the protests.

    The conference http://www.securityandpolicing.co.uk/files/2013/03/Security-and-Policing-Website-Agenda07.03.13.pdf

    The exhibitors http://www.securityandpolicing.co.uk/exhibitors/exhibitor-list-2013/

  50. Yeah, I know. Where’s his hand, and why is she in her jammies.

    https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/4046ec0547325209833b7e225adb120b/tumblr_mg2u2fBMBG1rpsw9to1_400.jpg

    But, Bashar and Saif were buddies with the great and good too and look what happened to them.

  51. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    11 Mar, 2013 - 10:57 pm

    Don’t hold your breath that anything will change in Bahrain.

    News story

    Joint Bahrain-UK Statement on Inaugural Meeting of Joint Working Group
    Organisations:

    Foreign & Commonwealth Office
    Published:11 March 2013
    Minister:Alistair Burt MP
    World location:Bahrain.

    During his visit to Bahrain, FCO Minister Alistair Burt took part in the inaugural meeting of the UK-Bahrain Joint Working Group.

    After the meeting, Alastair Burt and Sheikh Khalid bin Ahmed Al Khalifa released the following statement:

    “His Excellency Sheikh Khalid bin Ahmed bin Mohammed Al Khalifa, Minister of Foreign Affairs for Bahrain, today hosted the inaugural meeting of the Bahrain-UK Joint Working Group, welcoming to Manama Mr Alistair Burt MP, British Foreign Office Minister for the Middle East and North Africa.”

    “Underlining the close and open relationship between Bahrain and the UK, Sheikh Khalid bin Ahmed bin Mohammed Al Khalifa and Mr Burt, together with ministers and senior officials from several Bahraini ministries, discussed a wide range of bilateral and regional issues, including cooperation on key trade and investment opportunities. Co-operation and assistance on security and counter-terrorism also featured, as did Bahrain’s reform programme, including UK support on the implementation of the recommendations of the Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry Report and UN Human Rights Council Universal Periodic Review. Officials from both governments will work together, monitoring and evaluating areas of co-operation and assistance, between now and the next meeting, expected within six months.”

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-bahrain-uk-statement-on-inaugural-meeting-of-joint-working-group

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Mar, 2013 - 11:13 pm

    I thought I might re-post this little insight into A Node’s mindset, with the aim of “letting him damn himself out of his own mouth”, so to speak.

    Following a pertinent (albeit sarcastically phrased) post from one Giles on the “Oh dear new Labour’s control of BBC Scotland must be curbed” , A Node responds in the following well-reasoned, non-ad hominem manner (10 March, 13h58):

    “@ Giles 10 Mar,2013 – 12:02pm

    As long as there are people like you visiting this blog, I will remain
    suspicious of people’s motives for posting comments.”

    Precious!

    **********

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  53. As a sometime contributer, I would have to say that Habbakuk is now being purely reductive.

  54. Project Habakkuk or Habbakuk (spelling varies; see below) was a plan by the British in World War II to construct an aircraft carrier out of pykrete (a mixture of wood pulp and ice), for use against German U-boats in the mid-Atlantic, which were beyond the flight range of land-based planes at that time.

    Habbabkuk here is even less useful than an ice cream aircraft carrier. Host should follow Churchill’s and scuttle it. Ban for disruptive trolling.
    I can’t believe he is still posting this hate filled drivel.

  55. Jives, apologies, for he does not know what he is doing, so chuffed to be you, really…..

    Habkeincock does not know of the petulance of his beloved Royals and I fully understand why Craig does not swipe at them having sworn an oath once, it is commendable.

    But he does not censor what we know here in Norfolk to be true blue practise, and you get to know a bit when you install chimney pieces to boost ego’s.

    Thanks for that picture Herbie, she does look a little ravaged, holding on to Clinton for dear life, she must be craving recognition.

    A node, your stats are great, a daily troll tally might be the way to go with increasing popularity of this blog. Must be hard to try and be kind whilst harbouring thoughts of destruction.

    Habby, we are getting used to you, stick around, we are always looking for a monthly mascot. I’m truly impressed with your stickability, which leaves to say, why would you possibly sit here and play the school master, if you have no agenda or ulterior motive to fuel your hearth.

    It must be so hard to make a living as a stooge these days.

  56. A nice new tag for you Habbabkuk

    bella horrida bella

    I’m sure you know where I’d like you to stick it.

  57. Hey Habbabkuk

    One of your mates made the news.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-21745915

  58. Jonangus Mackay

    12 Mar, 2013 - 12:13 am

    OT (I hope):

    ‘If Chávez was not murdered by the US, the CIA wasn’t doing its job’—’Rogue State’ author William Blum http://is.gd/SKC1yw

  59. But I also have to say that the alternately vitriolic/vicious/scatological attacks on him/her (Habbakuk)do not reflect well on this board either.

  60. This statement: “I certainly did visit Gulnara’s US $25 million mansion in Geneva, because I wanted to see where the proceeds of forced child labour in the Uzbek cotton fields went. I intend to do so again. I hope lots of people will – its at No. 7, Rue Prevote, Cologny, Geneva.” is key to Gulnara’s peculiar attack.

    7, Chemin de la Prévôté
    1223 Cologny, Switzerland

    http://goo.gl/maps/8NT5h

    Of course a ‘drone’ comes to mind ;)

  61. Jonangus Mackay

    12 Mar, 2013 - 2:27 am

    OT

    Richard ‘Liberal Defence of Murder’ Seymour & 71 others resign over handling of SWP rape allegations:

    ‘One is simply astounded by how inadequate, corrupt, stupid, narrow-mindedly bureaucratic and delusional the leadership of the SWP has proven to be. It is not just that having covered up serious sexual allegations, and so disastrously failed at least two female comrades, they can admit no fault. It is not just the absurd, scholastic, apolitical explanations they give for doing so, or the tragic retreat into bunkered dogma that has accompanied this. It is not just that they lie with impunity. It is not just that they ducked a real debate, with their absurd rules limiting faction speakers at aggregates, and their gerrymandering of conference. It is not just that even now many of them are desperate to get the accused back into the leadership as soon as can conveniently be arranged. It is not just that their response to the most recent allegations by a female ex-member was to effectively dismiss her as a liar, without investigating further. It is that, having done a Jonestown, they think they’ve just triumphed.’

    http://is.gd/sAUCem

  62. Might some fine contributors to these discussions be wasting their time reading certain posts? Life is too short to read nonsense, and one quickly learns the names of those who have nothing to contribute. Simple then, simply to stop reading these people and any replies directed to them. Ignore them – even if they don’t go away, nobody will be listening.

  63. Jonangus Mackay

    12 Mar, 2013 - 4:17 am

    OT

    ‘Brilliant.’ Carne Ross, Iraq whistleblower & Craig’s colleague in the FCO maritime department during the ‘Gulf War,’ highly recommends this shock-&-awe stock-take by David Gardner in the FT:

    http://t.co/AiKO6N8h0O

  64. Right you are, Arbed – keep it in the public eye :)

    And the same goes for (Goo)Goosha*. Let’s take some of the burden of attention off of Craig and post reminders about the nature of this toxic, narcissistic monster on other blogs and forums. Is anyone good with producing YouTube videos? It would be good to mix a few home truths among the psychotic music videos.

    * “Goosha : A female that can projectily ejaculate.”
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goosha

    Goosha’s music video. Feel free to post comments (acct required)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8yhSgtQ7DY

  65. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    12 Mar, 2013 - 7:54 am

    A floating island right enough.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk

    Code name and spelling

    The project’s code name seems to have been consistently (mis)spelled Habbakuk in the Admiralty and Government documents at the time. This may in fact have been Pyke’s own error, as at least one early document apparently written by him (though unsigned) spells it that way. (However, post-war publications by people concerned with the project [e.g., Perutz and Goodeve] all restore the proper [one ‘B’ and three ‘K’s] spelling.) The name is a biblical reference to the project’s ambitious goal: “…be utterly amazed, for I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told.” (Habakkuk 1:5, NIV)

    The ‘RI’ started off here last November using a different spelling to the one in use now.

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 7:58 am

    “But I also have to say that the alternately vitriolic/vicious/scatological attacks on him/her (Habbakuk)do not reflect well on this board either”

    Technicolour, you won’t be surprised to read that I rather agree with your comment :).

    The degree to which my own comments are vitriolic/vicious/scatological as compared to the responses they elicit bears careful examination and you may have done this (although there’s no particular reason why you should do so, of course.

    I myself draw certain conclusions from the fact when – to take but one example (there are probably better ones)- I endeavour to tease out the position of a commenter on the utility of referenda (eg why someone who supports the holding of a referendum on Scottish independence should condemn the holding of a referendum in the Falklands), the person to whom I addressed the question remains silent while of the other commenters who decide to answer on behalf of the addresssee perhaps one (if I’m lucky) will provide some sort of explanation whereas the others prefer to send abusive and accusatory ‘replies’. Not to mention the ‘drowning-out’ technique which some appear to have been essaying recently, which I can assure you won’t be successful.

    If you were in a face to face conversation, you’d probably expect to have your opinions challenged on occasion and you’d probably feel called to justify or explain your opinion. Although it’s easier to avoid doing so on an internet forum, why should matters be any different here?

    Anyway, whatever. As another commenter (perhaps CE or Resident Dissident) said recently, I’m happy to leave judgement to the founder of this blog, in whose power it lies (and rightly so) to bar me from the forum if he feels that I consistently overstep the mark with the aim of bringing this blog into disrepute (or worse).

    *********

    La vita è bella, life is good!

    I suppose my line would be

  67. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    12 Mar, 2013 - 8:01 am

    The man who said ‘No’. Well there were three of them actually. ‘Get them off these islands immediately’.

    Result: Of 1,517 votes cast in the two-day referendum – on a turnout of more than 90% – 1,513 were in favour, while just three votes were against.

    What a farce.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21750909

  68. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    12 Mar, 2013 - 8:36 am

    Another scandal from the Poison Gove mismanaged Department for Education. He’s piling our taxes into his pet academies yet the unfortunate children going to the schools that should have been rebuilt or repaired under the NuLabour Building Schools for the Future project, which he immediately scrapped after taking office, are suffering appalling and dangerous working conditions.

    The school shown in the video is 9 miles away from Gove’s office. Perhaps he should visit to see the state of the place. He should take his hard hat though.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-21712941#

  69. Mary, it’s reminiscent of the Soviet elections. A farce is a farce which ever way you view it. It was a foregone conclusion. However, there were I believe, 1672 eligible to vote. Obviously the other near 9.2% did not feel it was in their interest to vote.

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 9:55 am

    “The man who said ‘No’. Well there were three of them actually. ‘Get them off these islands immediately’.

    Result: Of 1,517 votes cast in the two-day referendum – on a turnout of more than 90% – 1,513 were in favour, while just three votes were against.

    What a farce.”

    Can you indicate why you think the referendum was a farce?

    Can you assure us that had there not been a referendum, you would not have critised the government for not holding one?

    Thank you.

  71. Uzbek in the UK

    12 Mar, 2013 - 10:06 am

    Mark Golding,

    I like your ‘drone’ idea. But better yet for the property to be sold for 25 mil and for the money to be returned to the poor people in Uzbekistan. There are hundreds of schools and hospitals and hundreds of large and small communal services installations (that supply hot water and electricity) to be refurbished.

  72. This bit of her blog is priceless:

    “…where the waves of negativity suddenly were coming in en masse – always out of nowhere, as if obeying an invisible wand, and obviously well-paid from significant sources. However, over time I realized that when you are confronted it actually proves that you mean something and in a way it is a gratifying experience. When you start working on something really meaningful, when you are bringing the difference, these forms of resistance, counteraction or, shall I say, petty sabotage become a merely casual routine of your life.”

    Had I not read ‘Murder In Samarkand’ I would actually believe this is a powerful and gorgeous lady being wrongly accused of heinous crimes.

  73. Uzbek in the UK

    12 Mar, 2013 - 10:37 am

    Resident Dissident

    I will not be surprised if Akhmedov was returned from Moscow. He was more important to karimova then to MTS. Rumours say that he was not only head of uzbek based MTS but was also involved in other financial operations with Karimova including illegal sale of uzbek gold. Akhmedov knows a lot more then was made public about Gulnara and it was in her best interests to bring him back. As for MTS it is more likely that they have been paid some ransom for this exchange.

    MTS tried to organise PR scandal against Karimova but it did not go far and was stopped by kremlin before it went too far. As there are some other (and even more profitable and more strategically important) Russian projects in Uzbekistan kremlin decided not to push further and alienate Karimova. The fact that some Russian oligarchs were involved in karimova’s money laundering operations played crucial role in Akhmedov’s silence. Suggestions were made that some Russian oligarchs of uzbek origin including Alisher Usmanov (who is having investments in UK is now concerned for his reputation) got involved in convincing kremlin to strop Karimova gate.

    That is the nature of business in former USSR.

  74. Uzbek in the UK

    12 Mar, 2013 - 10:59 am

    CE

    It is very likely that Karimov will be replaced by another him alike when he is dead, or near dead. There is no opposition (by which I mean organised group of people who think significantly different) and there are no mechanisms that would insure any positive changes in Uzbekistan immediately after karimov. Whole power structure is tailor made for Karimov and ensures his supremacy in whole aspects of political life.

    Another important factor that was never stressed on this blog (at least not by Mr Murray) is that despite decades of soviet nation building in Central Asia and in Uzbekistan in particular most Central Asians and Uzbeks in particular associate themselves with local tribes and local regions more than with nations within national border states. Localism is not just alive is more alive than nationalism in Central Asia and it is argued (sometimes fairly) that only authoritarian power structure would allow current nation states to continue to exist and otherwise interethnic and intraethnic conflicts are imminent which would lead to many deaths. Economic underdevelopment of the region and its geographic isolation from liberal centres (such as Europe) are another factors adding to continuation of authoritarian rule in Central Asia. And where there is authoritarian ruler there are corruption, money laundering and all those things in which gulnara excels.

  75. 1st April 2010, CM blog Pentagon $860 million contracts to GK.

    That US money wouldn’t need laundering then?

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 11:37 am

    Since the Falklands referendum has been raised on this thread (in addition to the existence of a previous entire thread on the subject of the Scottish referendum),I should be interested to teasing out further contributors’ thoughts on the entire question of referenda.

    Let me do this in the form of two questions.

    1/. Given that majority opinion here is that a referendum on Scottish independence is desirable, would the contributors belonging to that majority also be in favour of a referendum in Northern Ireland on the question of either (1) independence for Northern Ireland or (2) incorporation of Northern Ireland into the Republic of Ireland?

    2/. Given, on the one hand, the existence of popular referenda (Volksinitiative)as part of the Swiss political system and, on the other, the existence in the UK of the system whereby petitions to Parliament which attract a minimum numbers of signatures lead (or perhaps can lead, I’m not certain) to a debate in Parliament – and given, furthermore, thaat we are occasionally asked on this blog to sign up for petitions on various issues – would regular contributors to this forum support the idea of introducing Swiss-style popular refernda into the UK political system?

  77. Halibabacus and other war heroes of the Falklands war

    I am puzzled how starting from Uzbekistan you managed to land on the Malvinas?? Do you want to grow cotton there or what? Sounds pretty stupid to me but perhaps I am expecting too much of the habbakukian “intelectual firepower” from you. I should have perhaps informed you that I have already different plans. Like Balfour, I have compiled a declaration whereby the Khazars of Golders Green, who for some unknown reasons believe that they are descendents of the king David, would be given the right to settle without any limitations in the Falklands and drill for oil in the surrounding waters as they please. I have checked my school atlas and Khazars have indeed no country of their own and Falklands seem to me to be one of the few places on earth without people. This could be perhaps the first time in living history that Great Brittain gives land away that consideres to be its property.

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 12:25 pm

    @ Karel (11h59) :

    “This could be perhaps the first time in living history that Great Brittain gives land away that consideres to be its property.”

    Although this is not in living memory (I presume you meant to say memory rather than history)), there is actually at least relatively recent example: that of the cession of the Ionian islands to the newly constituted state of Greece in the middle of the 19th century.

  79. Uzbek in the UK,

    Thanks for that information.

    ————————-

    Habba,

    1) I support a referendum for the whole island of Ireland on it’s reunification.

    2) No I do not favour the idea of popular referenda, I think they should only be used in constitutional matters of great importance.

  80. Halibabacus,

    thanks for being so observant. But what is this nonsense of yours about “Ionian Islands”? Or do you want to insinuate that these islands were somehow presented by YHW to the King of England?

  81. O/T, but I’m sure readers of Craig’s blog will have a lot of fun in here…

    Wikileaks’ UK Global Intelligence Files (Stratfor) release:

    396,337 emails from US intelligence contractor Stratfor: http://is.gd/ZMMrgL
    1,245 sensitive emails from US intelligence contractor #Stratfor http://is.gd/SdUHcn
    201 very sensitive emails from US intelligence contractor Stratfor http://is.gd/zLKtAV

  82. Two stupid referenda…

    Interesting that the British authorities hold a status referendum in the Falklands (Malvinas) and allow the Scottish government to hold an independence referendum in Scotland.

    The results in both are foregone conclusions.

    The result in the Malvinas (Falklands) was always going to be an overwhelming ‘yes’ to British rule, and the result in Scotland will be a resounding ‘yes’ to staying in the Union.

    Meanwhile, no vote is held in one part of the UK where most people would very probably vote in favour of leaving Britain.

    I refer to Shetland.

    Which authorities, in any country, ever held a vote that might trouble them?

  83. PS. Above links have a search engine on them – everything’s searchable by key word. Enjoy!

  84. What’s the British-Uzbek Society?

    Its people seem to be very welcome at the Karimov regime’s embassy in London.

    Its director Richard Moir lives with and has a business relationship with Corinne Souza.

    What the fuck is that about?

  85. Habeas corpus

    You are indeed in a different league

    Half a league, half a league,
    Half a league onward,
    All in the valley of Death
    Rode the six hundred.

    Doomed along with your sponsors

  86. The essence of the anti-referendum position is that Britain’s claim to sovereignty is a dodgy one – does not come out particularly well from historical scrutiny.

    ‘Accident of empire’, the subject of ‘Britain’s last imperial war’. Nothing to be considered on the other side? Like, for example, the wishes of the inhabitants of those islands? No, they do not figure, except as a mere 3,000 people who, along with 500,000 sheep, are very expensive to defend.

    Why the wishes of the Falkland Islanders, their right to self-determination in fact, should count for so little in the moral balance, and an accident of empire be regarded as carrying little weight when an accident of geography appears to carry much, you’ll have to figure out for yourself; Port Stanley ‘in artificial isolation from the country nearest to it’ is all you get. That the people of the Falklands have a certain right in this matter is of less importance, apparently, than the yearning of a stretch of land for other land in geographical proximity to it.

    Still struggling to discern exactly what Mary found so ‘farcical’ about all this?

  87. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 1:57 pm

    @ Donald (13h09) :

    “Which authorities, in any country, ever held a vote that might trouble them?”

    Well, the Swiss government for a start (cf the last one on capping high salaries).

    On your other point : I still fail to see why the result of a referendum being a foregone conclusion – and I wouldn’t be so certain with the Scottish one – should somehow invalidate the mechanism or device as such. At a very minimum, holdong a referendum absolves a government from the charge – which would inevitably be made in the absence of a referebdum – that it is acting in an arbitrary manner vis à vis its citizens?

  88. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 2:01 pm

    @ Karel :

    “But what is this nonsense of yours about “Ionian Islands”?”

    Sorry, I don’t follow you. Are you questioning my use of the words “Ionian islands” (as your use of quotation amrks might indicate) or are you disputing that they were handed over by Britain to Greece in the middle of the 19th century (as might be indicated by your use of “nonsense”?

    Happy to give more detail if you’d clarify your apparent disagreement.

  89. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 2:14 pm

    @ CE – jak sie pan miewa? Pan napisal/ :

    @ “Habba,

    1) I support a referendum for the whole island of Ireland on it’s reunification.

    2) No I do not favour the idea of popular referenda, I think they should only be used in constitutional matters of great importance.”

    Thanks for that. To tease matters out even further :

    re 1/. in such a case, do you feel that the referendum on Scottish independence should similarly involve the whole of the UK and not just Scotland/Scots?

    re 2/. What, essentially, are your reasons for that position (bearing in mind the possibility of petitions to Parliament and the other element I mentioned in my original post)?

  90. Hallibabacus,
    can you be a bit more like a scholar to be more in line with your pretences. I guess that you find this cumbesome but please try to improve the quality of you posted snippetts, so that we can all benefit and you will have less time and energy to bark at Mary. I would also suggest that you may try to be more meticulous about the words you through around. Can you please specify, which “Ionian Islands” (they are many of them) you have in mind and when how they were acquired by the UK?

  91. Halibut

    Or are you a flounder, half false-flag and half bounder, either way floundering in matters requiring moral sensitivity and intelligence but struggling to make up for it by hasbara trolling and changing the subject?

    Now that we have finished putting Mr Assange’s privates through the bacon slicer, checked under Mr Murray’s kilt for similar and read up on Hell-fire harlot Gulnara in the dentist waiting room magazines, can we get back to the serious subject of the UK being complicit in world torture in order to escape from the programme of Zionist sponsored rape and pillage called the war on terror?

    Please change subject now, HasbaraUK, friend of all friends of Israel, reality looming…

    Flit-repeller.

  92. Yes , come on now, no one’s mentioned ‘The Zionists’ for a few minutes! :roll:

    Czesc Habba, I’m good thanks.

    1) No I would not support the whole of the UK voting on Scottish Independence, I would differentiate between reunification and independence.

  93. Soon got rid of that guantanamo geezer.
    Lavatory smeller!

  94. resident dissident

    12 Mar, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    @ Karel (11h59) :

    “This could be perhaps the first time in living history that Great Brittain gives land away that consideres to be its property.”

    Quite a lot of countries left the British Empire in my lifetime and I’m not that old.

  95. resident dissident

    12 Mar, 2013 - 3:28 pm

    I agree that there is not much point having a referendum to maintain the status quo when the result is pretty clearly known.

    What I find strange is the self loathing of some here who are quite prepared to have a go at their own country when its right wing government resorts to nationalistic flag waving when it is in trouble and as a diversion from its mismanagement of the economy when it is exactly what Kirchner and her mob are doing as well. Might I suggest that we put all those with nationalists tendencies back into their boxes as all varieties ultimately spell trouble.

  96. resident dissident

    12 Mar, 2013 - 3:34 pm

    1) I support a referendum for the whole island of Ireland on it’s reunification.

    And I don’t for the moment at least – it is pretty clear what the result of the vote would be – but it still wouldn’t address the problem of the Protestant minority/majority in the 6 counties/Ireland who wouldn’t consent at present. Better just to sit quietly and let demographics/economics take their ultimate course – I don’t think even Sinn Fein would support throwing petrol on a subsiding fire at present.

  97. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 3:51 pm

    Arbed @ 1:09–You’re right. This is cool. I plugged in Assange and got this;

    Not for Pub —
    We have a sealed indictment on Assange.
    Pls protect
    Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
    ———————————————————————-
    From: Sean Noonan
    Sender: ct-bounces@stratfor.com
    Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:16:53 -0600
    To: CT AOR
    ReplyTo: CT AOR
    Subject: [CT] Assange-Manning Link Not Key to WikiLeaks Case
    January 25, 2011 3:37 PM
    Assange-Manning Link Not Key to WikiLeaks Case
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20029521-503543.html
    A report that investigators have so far failed to establish a direct link
    between the founder of the document-dumping website WikiLeaks and the Army
    private accused of providing the site with hundreds of thousands of secret
    State Department cables won’t derail the military’s case as much as it
    might seem.
    The case against Army Pfc. Bradley Manning didn’t hinge on investigators
    uncovering a direct link to WikiLeaks”
    ———————————————————————–
    Heh. The failed link is Manning’s refusal to become an informer/witness AGAINST Assange, not that it was to help in the case against Manning, which didn’t need any help.

  98. CE
    ‘Britain’s last imperial war.’
    Would that be Mali or Syria ?

  99. As with the Cheltenham Festival, we are all joggling for position.

    Joggling is sometimes necessary to form a straight line.

    If beginning and end meet we could form a perfect circle.

    Right wing, left wing; we all should have a share of the cheese.

    Some not only miss out on the cheese they suffer hardships.

    My point is until we all start holding hands, most will not get a whiff of the cheese.

    Craig keep chewing the cud and we may make some good cheese.

  100. technicolour sez
    [12 Mar, 2013 – 12:33 am]

    “But I also have to say that the alternately vitriolic/vicious/scatological attacks on him/her (Habbakuk) do not reflect well on this board either.”

    We have had commenters here in the past who were far more unpleasant than Habbabkuk (e.g. “genocide in Leicester”) whom I see as more mischievous than anything else. And Habbabkuk sometimes makes good points.

    This place is a public forum. It’s like being at a public meeting. In the circumstances, I don’t see how anyone who expresses their opinions here can demand that they be free from challenge or dissent.

    Glenn has written on the previous thread:

    ‘But Habbabkuk – you are an interesting character, and it’s good that you’re here. Your presence keeps us on our toes, and a lot of your points deserve consideration. I would respect you a lot more if you didn’t appear to have a primary interest in bullying one particular female …

    ‘Please stay around, your posts are useful and I (for one) like reading them.’

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/03/as-big-as-terrorism/#comment-398774

    I’m inclined to agree with Glenn. Although I think the “one particular female” in question is more than capable of looking after herself.

    When we have no dissenters here, this board tends to get a wee big smug and the expression ‘circle jerk’ comes to mind. We don’t want that, now, do we.

  101. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    12 Mar, 2013 - 5:00 pm

    I heard the arch war criminal on Radio 4 today, speaking on In Defence of Bureaucracy, with O’Donnell and Major. Pure chutzpah from Bliar.

    Have a listen. I see Bliar is described as ‘high profile’ in the BBC blurb. They would say that, wouldn’t they.

    The former Prime Minister Tony Blair is one of many high-profile contributors to the second part of Gus O’Donnell’s series In Defence of Bureaucracy.

    The relationship between government ministers and bureaucrats in the Civil Service is at an all time low. It’s being described as “Whitehall at War” in one broadsheet newspaper as a succession of senior politicians call for wholesale reform of a system they see as dominated by old-style “Sir Humphreys” acting as the permanent opposition. In the second of a two part series, In Defence of Bureaucracy, the former Cabinet Secretary, Gus O’Donnell, argues that we should be proud of our Civil Service which has made British bureaucracy the best in the world; and that hasty reform risks undermining a 150 year-old tradition of fairness, impartiality and accountability.

    Gus talks to, amongst others, former Prime Ministers Tony Blair and John Major, and goes head to head with the man leading the moves to reform the civil service, the Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01r5lml

    ~~~~
    Good piece here on Dissident Voice. Maidhc Ó Cathail has a list of names.

    On Tenth Anniversary, Israel Partisans Behind Iraq War Still at Large

    Three years ago this month, I wrote a piece entitled “Who’s to Blame for the Iraq War?” to mark the seventh anniversary of the US invasion. My sole purpose in compiling a by-no-means-exhaustive list of 20 Israel partisans who played key roles in inducing America into making that disastrous strategic blunder was to help dispel the widespread confusion — some of it sown under the guise of “progressive investigative journalism” by likely crypto-Zionists – about why the United States made that fateful decision. As the tenth anniversary approaches, there is no excuse for anyone genuinely interested in the facts to deny the ultimate responsibility of Tel Aviv and its foreign agents for the quagmire in Iraq. Nevertheless, it’s an appropriate time to remind ourselves of some of the chief architects of the devastating Iraq War.

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/03/on-tenth-anniversary-israel-partisans-behind-iraq-war-still-at-large/

  102. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 5:00 pm

    I agree that the adhoms are unnecessary. In fact, they only serve to prolong the jabbing. Yes, Mary can take care of herself, but that’s really not the point. Certain identities seek a dustup, not because they wish for a discussion, but because controversy is stimulating, and they can score some personal psychic dollars by heaving in on the most minor points. If they can frustrate their opponent with minutiae within grey areas; Victory !. I see this place as a public forum for sharing ideas, learning something new, and sharpening the wits by delving into salient thoughts, not challenging honest brokers with nit-picking that excites the medulla, but dulls the frontal lobe.

    “. In the circumstances, I don’t see how anyone who expresses their opinions here can demand that they be free from challenge or dissent.”

    The simple response is none-at-all, but the goading is relentless, and people should be able to ignore the infants who need some oral satisfaction. We should be free to stop demands for a reply.

  103. Dreoilin,

    Whilst i agree that this blog should be an open platfrom where all opinions can be expressed i cant help but feel the trolls working in concert represent a circe jerk of bad faith.

    Whilst indeed ‘ one particular female’ is more than capable of looking after herself i,for one,find the concerted bullying/stalking of a particular poster somewhat unsettling.Sinister even at times.In fact i sense that one particular troll sets their alarm clock for just such tssking.

    Its all very Stasi-esque in its attempted intimidation;although there something rather pathetic in the strategy too.

    Having said that i wouldnt ban the trolls.I think most readers of this blog can see whats going on and parse accordingly.

    Its also rather strange that,by their actions,the trolls undermine their own mission and emerge simply as bullies and group-stalkers.

    I wonder if their handlers cant see how counter-productive their methodology actually is?

  104. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    12 Mar, 2013 - 5:02 pm

    Surprised at you there Dreoilin. It has not been ‘mischievousness’. You would know that if you had been at the receiving end for four months.

  105. resident dissident

    12 Mar, 2013 - 5:13 pm

    Mary

    And what about those who have been on the receiving ends of your barbs for a considerably longer period – or don’t they count?

  106. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 5:18 pm

    “Its also rather strange that,by their actions,the trolls undermine their own mission and emerge simply as bullies and group-stalkers.”

    I was interested in Glenn’s opinion itr. I wonder why I missed those worthwhile points being made by Craig’s guest.

    Oh yeah. I am in the habit of scrolling by, by Jove ! Mayhaps something could be learned from that by the Queen’s noble servant.

  107. Ye Gods!

    Have you swallowed the collected works of Dickens Ben? :-)

  108. “This place is a public forum. It’s like being at a public meeting. In the circumstances, I don’t see how anyone who expresses their opinions here can demand that they be free from challenge or dissent.”

    Well said Dreoilin, about the most sensible thing I’ve seen written on this blog for a few days. The hysterical and irrational reaction of some regulars to having their views or motives questioned has left me incredulous at points.

    Jives – “I wonder if their handlers cant see how counter-productive their methodology actually is?

    :roll:

  109. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 5:44 pm

    Jives @ 5:33

    “Ye Gods” Heh, Jove (Jupiter) was the swallower, and who is this Dickens character? :)

  110. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 5:46 pm

    LOL. I have seen a lot of folks dismissed from Public meetings…

  111. Great stuff Dreoilin and Technicolor –supporting the forums professional trolls harassment of selected commenters. You should get a commission yourselves. Go on make a fuss with them – we know you need to now and then.

  112. For dissident political sites, trolling is a performance metric – a KPI in the managerial parlance. If you have no trolls it’s because nobody thinks you’re a problem. We have a troll KPI of order 1 so apparently we’re not seen as much of a problem. We need to get sillier.

  113. This all sounds like a clarion call to get back on topic.

    I like the idea of a protest drone over No. 7, Rue Prevote, Cologny, Mark G.,waking this little Miss and her sister after a long night of counting blood money, with a blast of this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYFmyBPESeU

    She is guilty and has blood on her hands, lets hope that her last days come soon. Agree with Uzbek, sell her mansion and dish out the money to the children that worked so hard for her wickedness.

    http://www.antislavery.org/english/campaigns/cottoncrimes/default.aspx

  114. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 6:15 pm

    Thanks to all who have (so far) responded to my questions on referenda and otherwise posted.

    I think I’ll reply to several comments in this one post(but obviously not to the couple of posters who were just being silly).

    @ CE on referenda : I rather liked your answer which came down again an all-UK referendum on Scottish independence while supporting an all-Ireland one on Northern Ireland by distinguishing between independence and reunification :) . But I’m sure you wouldn’t have expected me to be satisfied with just that and so I would ask you to set out your reasoning beyond the historical facts (facts, if you will) you point to.

    @ Resident Dissident on referenda : agree about the throwing petrol on the flames point. But could you expound a little further on your point about letting demographics and economics run their course : would you support the idea of a referendum on the question,not now, but once they have done so? And if you did, would you then not be in contradiction with your own opinion as expressed in another post of yours that there is little point in holding a referendum the results of which are well-known?

    @ I sense a certain reluctance (CE excluded) to take position on the question of Swiss-style (mutatis mutandis) popular referenda. Am I correct?

    @ Karel : I’d be delighted to help, but time presses and there are serious comments to answer, so I’ll just refer you to Wikipedia if you don’t mind; all the information you’re after is there. Apologies.

    @ on Great Britain giving away land : Resident Dissident is correct to mention the decolonisation process, of course. I didn’t do so because I didn’t want Karel to come back in triumph saying ‘ah but GB had to give away those territories after uprisings or in the face of nationalisy movements, etc. The example of the Ionian islands is an example of territory being given away completely volontarily.

    By the way, I’m not quite sure why Great Britain was singled out in Karel’s original post. TRhe fact is that many states have lost territory for various reasons but very few have given territory away volontarily. (Willing to be contradicted if mistaken, if course).

    @ Ben Franklin : consider the following – if my posts are simple nit-picking, then why on earth do they arouse such strong reactions from certain contributors? Would those reactions not indicate an inability to ditinguish between the important and the trivial as well as bad response tactics? The fact that certain people – and you yourself are in fact one of them – keep reacting might indicate that my posts are rather more substantial than mere nit picking.

    @ “Talking about Mary” : I agree with those who point out that Mary is capable of defending herself. In fact, she has said as much in one of her posts on this very thread (where she says she will not be discouraged, etc). I hope her chickens are less tough in the pot than she is in life.

    @ Dreoilin : I do appreciate your comments and unsurprisingly enough agree with them (although I take exception to your “sometimes makes good points”; I would replace the word “sometimes” with “invariably :) ).

    Must be off now, going dancing with some simply divine young gazelles.

    ************

    La vita è bella, life is good! (what would I do without beauty?)

  115. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 6:23 pm

    Vronsky at 18h02 :

    “We need to get sillier”

    Are you referring to some of the Eminences?

    If so, I quite agree and, on the basis of your post, feel that you are just the person to lead the way.

  116. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 6:24 pm

    With Crab scuttling in your wake.

  117. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    12 Mar, 2013 - 6:48 pm

    Resident Dissident

    12 Mar, 2013 – 5:13 pm

    Mary

    And what about those who have been on the receiving ends of your barbs for a considerably longer period – or don’t they count?

    In my time here since about 2007, I have never attacked any other contributor. It was only when the Resident Inviligator/Interrogator arrived on the scene at the end of last year with the ad hominems and barbs, that I felt obliged to defend myself and not lie down under the targetting. Others have joined in, including yourself at times and at one stage, it seemed to be a possibility that you and Hababkuk were one and the same.

    This is all getting tedious and miles away from the blog. Craig is not very well at the moment and can probably do without this contention at the moment.

  118. At it again?, now playing off two more posters with words such as ‘Emminences and scuttling’.

  119. “Surprised at you there Dreoilin. It has not been ‘mischievousness’. You would know that if you had been at the receiving end for four months.”

    No, Mary, I haven’t been at the receiving end from one person for four months. But since 2005, I’ve been at the receiving end from a variety of people, on and off. I left (and came back) more than once for that reason. But I know you won’t be chased away, so I’m not worried about you!

    @Jives,
    do you really think there are “trolls working in concert” or (as some others suggest) trolls paid to come here? I think the interruptors are just enjoying themselves, a bit like I do myself when I insist on posting on USA right-wing blogs where I’ve been banned 4-5 times already. I amuse myself by getting around their bans — mainly because they don’t even try to deal with the substance of my arguments, just ban me out of hand when they see I’m not a Tea-party type, but a “libturd” (in their parlance).

    “We need to get sillier.”

    We do, Vronsky. I seem to remember a lot of laughter here, way back. Don’t see much of it now, sadly. I wish everyone would lighten up ever so slightly … even when the topic IS Gulnara Karimova or the terrible shenanigans in Syria, or some equally upsetting topic.

    Craig,
    I hope you’re feeling a bit better, and have possibly got those appointments straightened out. The only advice I would give you is to practise “talking yourself down” from any anxiety. I had a double bypass in 1998, and was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation after I collapsed in 1999, and I know how anxious any heart diagnosis can make one – especially when the heartbeat goes wonky. Side effects are also a bother. When they found out in 2005 that half my bypass had never worked (one graft hadn’t ‘taken’) they quadrupled my statins and my quality of life disimproved drastically. All from side effects.

  120. technicolour [12 Mar, 2013 – 12:33 am]

    “But I also have to say that the alternately vitriolic/vicious/scatological attacks on him/her (Habbakuk) do not reflect well on this board either.”

    I suspect the ‘scatological attack’ may be a reference to my suggestion of “lan dhen cac.” I offered it in response to Habbabkuk’s appeal for a Gaelic phrase to place after his name.
    I deny that my comment was scatological.

    Whilst indeed the literal meaning of the phrase is “full of shit”, it ‘s usual meaning is “pompous” or “arrogant”.

    I invoke the defense of ‘fair comment’.

  121. Mary: I can vouch for your statement that you have not gone attacking other posters. You’re far more good natured and restrained than the likes of myself in that respect.

    A timely reminder about Craig and his health. My thanks to you for your well wishes concerning my Dad on the earlier thread.

    If you want my advice regarding our friend H, just ignore anything you don’t want to hear. Your posts are valuable imho, but if there is depth or subject matter that is not of interest to me, it’s a simple matter to skim or skip it. Nearly all the time they do relate to on-going subjects, again, as far as I’m concerned. The blog owner clearly thinks they’re alright too. Other posters may feel differently. If they do, screw ‘em ;)

  122. resident dissident

    12 Mar, 2013 - 7:59 pm

    “In my time here since about 2007, I have never attacked any other contributor.”

    This is blatantly not true – calling us shills, accusing us of being the same person etc. And I can assure that those who go against the dominant tendency on this blog have received far worse from others. However my real concern is your snide attacks and insinuations about those who are not contributers which I’m afraid are legion – don’t they have a right to be defended? Politicians/other public figures may be fair game within reason but when you attack their offspring and their religion or personal characteristics then you are wrong not to expect some comeback.

    But you are right such behaviour gets no one anywhere – and most things, including Craig’s health, are considerably more important. Personally I’d rather hear more about why you believe what you do and what you would change in this world and how, rather than condemnations of what you dislike and links to those you support.

  123. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 8:11 pm

    @ A Node :

    “I suspect the ‘scatological attack’ may be a reference to my suggestion of “lan dhen cac.” I offered it in response to Habbabkuk’s appeal for a Gaelic phrase to place after his name”

    In the interests of truth, I deny ever asking you for a Gaelic phrase.

    Please refer us to my appeal.

    If you can’t, a retraction, please.

  124. technicolour

    12 Mar, 2013 - 8:14 pm

    Yes, that’s exactly what I mean, Crab: that kind of instant and vicious attack. It’s why I don’t post much any more. You presumably missed my earlier comment – that Habbakuk at the time was being ‘purely reductive’ – but don’t let that stop you from wading in.

    And I can’t speak for Dreoilin, but what prevents her, like Glen-UK, from being able to hold an opinion and voice it? No vitriol directed at Craig, I notice?

    In fact, I have been wondering, while casting an eye in passing, whether one should be concerned for Mary, but she continues to respond with a fury which seems more than equal to the (unanswered) questions and sometimes unpleasant mockery directed at her. That being said, why should anyone not be questioned? And yet it is hard to see how she could start to answer questions now.

    If it’s any consolation, Mary, I’ve still benefited from your links in recent visits (blood plasma sell-off and Alfie Meadows spring to mind: thank you). I think Habbakuk would be well advised to give you a break.

  125. resident dissident

    12 Mar, 2013 - 8:15 pm

    @Habba

    “But could you expound a little further on your point about letting demographics and economics run their course : would you support the idea of a referendum on the question,not now, but once they have done so? And if you did, would you then not be in contradiction with your own opinion as expressed in another post of yours that there is little point in holding a referendum the results of which are well-known?”

    The different rate of poulation growth in the RC population in Northern Ireland means that the hardline Protestant majority will soon be gone – also an increasing number of NI businesses are operating cross border and starting to benefit from the economic integration that is happening. The Eire economy is also changing as well – although recent evets haven’t helped. As with most things the way to progress is by reducing the role of nationalism rather than increasing it – and then allowing economic rationalism and commonsense to play a bigger part.

    Yes I think there will eventually need to be a referendum in NI – I think the democratic norm is that you should have one for major constitutional change. You missed my words about “status quo” regarding pointless referendums – nothing wrong with referndums where the result is to chnage the status quo.

  126. Tech, “viscious attack”? Just wise up, and “instant” just means short here. Short and frank unlike your essays of fuss. Cut it out.

  127. She gets a little nip and shes been subjected to a viscious attack. HBK has been goading Mary constantly for months and shes accepting of that. Unbelievable.

  128. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 8:39 pm

    @ resident Dissident :

    “You missed my words about “status quo” regarding pointless referendums – nothing wrong with referndums where the result is to chnage the status quo.”

    Thanks for your post. The words I quote above appear to imply that you are in favour of referenda that change (or are likely to change)the status quo but not in favour of those that confirm (or are likely to confirm) it. What is the logical (or even practical)justification for that , given that a referendum is a device for ascertaining people’s views on a defined question at any given moment in time? Or have I misunderstood you?

  129. Yeah. To describe that as a vicious attack is a bit unworldly, to put it very mildly, especially given what Mary’s had to put up with over the past six months or so.

    It can only be that there are other motivating factors which have little to do with equality of treatment, or indeed even a sensible judgement on the matter.

  130. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 8:47 pm

    @ Nevermind :

    “At it again?, now playing off two more posters with words such as ‘Emminences and scuttling’”

    Just countering, in the manner they deserve, two unpleasant and aggressive preceding posts from Crab (17h52) and Vronsky (18h02). Check them out for yourself, Herr Udet.

    *************

    Das Leben ist schoen – sogar herrlich!

  131. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 8:53 pm

    From Herbie (20h44) this , talking about Technicolour’s post unless I’m mistaken:

    “It can only be that there are other motivating factors which have little to do with equality of treatment, or indeed even a sensible judgement on the matter.”

    I can smell a CONSPIRACY being sniffed out!

    **********

    Laa vita è bella, life is good! (a conspiracy a day means lunacy’s here to stay)

  132. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 9:11 pm

    Just another suggestion that will go unrecognized……

    “I was interested in Glenn’s opinion itr. I wonder why I missed those worthwhile points being made by Craig’s guest.

    Oh yeah. I am in the habit of scrolling by, by Jove ! Mayhaps something could be learned from that by the Queen’s noble servant.”

    Ben Franklin.

    “………..The fact that certain people – and you yourself are in fact one of them – keep reacting might indicate that my posts are rather more substantial than mere nit picking.”

    I know you can do better than that. Some, myself being one of them, find you like a bad case of nettles, and feel compelled to respond. Now if you should ratchet up the good manners and stop insisting you get a response, you might find some others who would engage you in a straightforward manner. But you must (ugh!) have some patience. Is that reasonable?

  133. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 9:21 pm

    @ Ben :

    I don’t think I ‘insist” on a response; at most I might ask for one; but usually when you ask a question you don’t even have to say that you’d like or expect answer – that’s what the ? is there for.

    Secondly, you counsel patience. But the reality is that most of my legitimate questions (eg, if I ask Mary “how is that (ie some snide personal remark) relevant to your subject” ) never get a response, so I think the problem is Mary’s unwillingnesss or inability to answer and not a lack of patience on my part.

  134. Hababbkuk talks about legitimate questions, – if they ever submit any, they submit them in a package of deliberate annoyance. Hababbkuk is an out and out pro-troll, with no worth except to marvel at as such.

    Dreoilin and Tech, i am sorry for being a bit of an arse with you in occassional discussions last. I look forward to you commenting again, but do reconsider the wisdom of just popping in with commentry on the kind of sustained criticism and goading, which goes well beyond what turned each of you away last year.

  135. technicolour

    12 Mar, 2013 - 9:36 pm

    Yes, well, it felt vicious. I have been living with Quakers recently, Glad it wasn’t meant to be.

    Mine, Crab, wasn’t intended to be quite so chippy, either, apologies – ironically I’d edited subtleties out for brevity.

  136. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 9:38 pm

    I can’t speak for Mary, but she rarely responds. That’s her prerogative. I try not to take it personally. But it does seem to bug you alot. When I say ‘patience’ I don’t mean wait for 1/2 day following your question. What I mean by patience, is building some credibility with other posters. Being an American, I was thought to be some sort of sock-puppet for recent trollery when I first commented. I’m sure there are those who are suspicious of me still. Slowly I turn; step-by-step. I sometimes erupt, like on the American Dream thread, but I am settling in to Anglo-Saxon opinions, attitudes and beliefs, and many here have assisted me patiently, to take the edge off cultural misunderstanding.

    Patience. The tide may not change according to your temperament, but it will change.

  137. If the remaining moderator has no mind to do anything about H. can I suggest that the blog be re-designated as, de facto, H’s blog? I’m quite sure H. won’t object to an occasional contribution from Craig Murray, so that seems fair.

    Yes, that is a looking glass I just stepped out of. And I’ve been asked to solve five times seven in order to defeat spam. I was fairly sure I had the right answer, but the spam is still there. And will be there again tomorrow. Until nobody calls by anymore. Well done, Jon. I wonder what five times seven really is, wish you’d tell us.

  138. Ben: Speaking only for myself (of course!), I know that there are a great many Americans who are decent progressives. Yours is a very polarised country, and the real idiots get nearly all the publicity. It was not hard to see that you weren’t some right-wing dupe. Do you listen to the great Mike Malloy by any chance? (And I still haven’t figured out what itr means…)

    *
    Speaking of being picked up, any long-timers here remember how shamefully our good friend Suhayl was bullied, race-baited, and relentlessly attacked on a personal basis? A lot of this was from the liar “Larry”, not to mention a sock-puppet cluster with various homoerotic names. And Craig mentioned a couple of posts ago that he misses Larry occasionally!

    *
    PS Vronsky – I must be letting the pressure get to me too. Four times in a row now, I’ve apparently failed to successfully perform an addition of two single-digit numbers.

  139. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 10:00 pm

    Thyroid issues abound after the nuke, and they are gearing up for a non-nuclear future.

    “TOKYO — Japan said Tuesday that it had extracted gas from offshore deposits of methane hydrate — sometimes called “flammable ice” — a breakthrough that officials and experts said could be a step toward tapping a promising but still little-understood energy source.

    The gas, whose extraction from the undersea hydrate reservoir was thought to be a world first, could provide an alternative source of energy to known oil and gas reserves. That could be crucial especially for Japan, which is the world’s biggest importer of liquefied natural gas and is engaged in a public debate about whether to resume the country’s heavy reliance on nuclear power.http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/13/business/global/japan-says-it-is-first-to-tap-methane-hydrate-deposit.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    It could be just as disastrous for them. Methane Hydrates bubbling to the surface from a blowout would not be good.

  140. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 10:04 pm

    ‘itr’, should have been irt (in regard to) , Glenn, and I did appreciate that thought when you posted following my little tantrum.

    Best regards to you and your Dad. Keep me posted on his condition, and yours.

  141. “any long-timers here remember how shamefully our good friend Suhayl was bullied, race-baited, and relentlessly attacked on a personal basis?”

    Yes, Glenn, I was thinking of that. And Suhayl’s enormous patience and sense of humour in dealing with it.

  142. This is Blair’s legacy. This is Campbell’s legacy. And Jonathon Scarlett’s and George W Bush’s and Donald Rumsfeld’s and Jonathon Powell’s…and the Labour Party’s.

    http://blog.transnational.org/2013/03/iraq-and-the-betrayal-of-a-people-%e2%80%93-impunity-forever/#.UT7xzp17eBE.email

    Damn them all to hell.

    And now we have the LibDems – the yellow managers- shitting on an open and transparent judicial system, and on individual liberties, with the justice and security bill.

  143. Habbakuk smells a conspiracy, between Tech and ehhhh Tech.

  144. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 10:22 pm

    @ Ben :

    Thanks for that post and I do believe that your intention is to be helpful. Just let me make the following points to respond and clarify and then I will stop because, to pick up to some extent on Vronsky’s latest, this blog isn’t about me or my attitudes and modes, or indeed about any one of my supposed “victims”.

    1/. Of course it’s Mary’s prerogative not to respond. As it is, I think you’ll agree, mine to react to posts of hers. I general I should say that her refusal to respond (to questions of sunstance, I mean) doesn’t “bug me” because I tend to interpret her lack of response as admission of an inability to do so in a credible way and, therefore, as an admission that my point was valid. You know, like in the courtroom soaps : “the defence has no witnesses to call”.

    2/. I also hear what you say about building up credibility and it’s a valid point in principle. I should say two things here : firstly, I’m not sure that I need to build up personal credibility because I should like to think that my credibility is established by the valdity (or otherwise) of the substance of what I have to say; it shouldn’t be based on what people think I might be or on the participants to whom I devote particular attention (I’ve already explained the reasons for that in any case). Secondly, I’m not sure that the “confidence building” operation you recommend is all that solid. Take, for instance, the recent posts which were kind enough to spot some merits in some of my posts. Some of those posts came from people who I’m sure have built up credibility. But the moment they dared offer me some measure of support, they themselves immediately came under attack despite their acquired credibility. Is that not so?

    BTW I’ve never seen you as a right-wing dupe ; my vision is rather of a (I must be honest and say ‘rather wooly’ Californian sage. Hope that doesn’t offend, because it’s honestly not meant to :)

    Anyway, faugh! enough of me: time for another thread!

  145. Ben Franklin, 9:38 pm

    “Being an American, I was thought to be some sort of sock-puppet for recent trollery when I first commented.”

    Ben, I think it was partly your Gonzo Dagger tattoo avatar. I think various people mistook it for an emblem of militarism or violence. I went searching for similar images, discovered its true significance, and posted comments about it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_journalism

    Assumptions lead to misunderstanding and hence conflict. People seem to have an instinctive tendency to polarise, and it takes conscious effort to overcome this. The more restricted the informational medium, the less check upon this tendency, so it’s a particular problem in a text-only environment such as this.

  146. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 10:53 pm

    @ Habbakuk

    “I tend to interpret her lack of response as admission of an inability to do so in a credible way and, therefore, as an admission that my point was valid.”

    I can see that, but satisfy yourself by moving on….IOW don’t get naggy. It’s counter productive and doesn’t assist your credibility, and on that note…….

    “….firstly, I’m not sure that I need to build up personal credibility because I should like to think that my credibility is established by the valdity (or otherwise) of the substance of what I have to say;”

    The way one sees oneself often is at odds with how others see you. See your own credibility as reward in-and-of-itself. It doesn’t necessarily translate from internal talk to the external group. That’s the crux of my ‘patience’ and credibility comment. If you want to have a friend (dialogue), be a friend. You attract more hummingbirds with honey than with vinegar. You often employ self-deprecating humor, and that’s a start, but if it takes a while for the critters to trust that it’s honey, when your feeder was once filled with something distasteful to their palate, remember to wait.

  147. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 10:58 pm

    Clark; I remember you rallying to my defense with the Link to Gonzo Journalism. The funny thing is I never know where that avatar is gonna pop up with registration. I created it back in 2006, and just like HST, it refuses to die a final death.

  148. Sorry technical question,

    Hi Ben\Clark,

    How do you guys manage to get your avatar’s? I have a wordpress account and gravatar for posting on a couple of football sites but it doesn’t seem to work here?

    Thanks in advance.

  149. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 11:29 pm

    The creationists will go ‘barmy’ over this finding. No bumbershoot can protect them from the refreshing rain of science.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/03/11/174041948/claims-of-a-meteorites-ancient-aquatic-fossils-spark-debate

    “A meteorite that lit the sky over Sri Lanka with a yellow and green flame when it fell to earth on Dec. 29, 2012, contains “fossilized biological structures,” according to researchers in Britain, Sri Lanka, and the United States. Elaborating on claims they first made in January, the scientists are also seeking to answer critics who are skeptical of their findings.”

  150. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Mar, 2013 - 11:30 pm

    Sorry CE. Clark is the genius. One of my emails is Iamnotatechie.com

  151. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 Mar, 2013 - 12:15 am

    Will Dennis Rodman deflect the N. Korean threat, with basketball diplomacy? Stranger things have happened.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/11/world/asia/north-korea-kim-rodman/

  152. Dreoilin,

    @Jives,

    “do you really think there are “trolls working in concert” or (as some others suggest) trolls paid to come here? I think the interruptors are just enjoying themselves, a bit like I do myself when I insist on posting on USA right-wing blogs where I’ve been banned 4-5 times already. I amuse myself by getting around their bans — mainly because they don’t even try to deal with the substance of my arguments, just ban me out of hand when they see I’m not a Tea-party type, but a “libturd” (in their parlance).”

    ********

    Absolutely i do. I believe there’s at least 4 working here in
    concert,and at least another 2 orbiting pretending to be the voice of neutral reason,ahem.No names need be mentioned.

    If you wanna go and noise up other blogs that’s quite your right of course,but i’m very surprised you cant sense a concerted trolling gig here,largely to disrupt but moreso to intimidate Mary it seems.

    Somewhat surprised you cant tell the difference between casual noising up and unsettling group-stalking bullying Dreoilin.

    It’s certainly very clear to me.

    Anyway,best wishes to you.

  153. Why does HabbaTroll insist on using multiple identities??

    I suppose it means they are not real,or are just here to disrupt.

    Why Habbabkuk? Why?

    Why do you have to hide behind fake identities?

    I guess you must be a fake.

    Which is rather shameful really isn’t it,all in all?

  154. Oh and by the way Habba…

    Remember and set your alarm clock so that you can respond to Mary in the early hours of the morning-usually within 4 minutes of Mary’s first post.

    Have you read the UK laws on Cyberstalking Habba?

    You should.

    It can lead to a ong jail term,you horrible weak little bully.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking

  155. CE, are you using the same screen-name and e-mail address as you use on the football sites?

    I note that you enter an e-mail address into the “Website” field in the comment form. That should be OK so long as you enter the e-mail address that you registered with Gravatar into the “Email” field.

  156. I remember when i was young and at school.

    There was a young kid;pallid,delicate but very very bright and an original thinker.When all around him were obsessed by rugby and other such macho pursuits he was into poetry and art and had his own ideas about the world and how it worked.

    For 5 years he was remorselessly bullied and ridiculed for his perfectly legal valid views and nature.The boors made his life an abject misery.He was doing nothing wrong but whatever he said and did and wherever he went he was bullied and taunted by the madding pack,remorselesly.

    Age 13 he committed suicide.

    I wonder where his bullies are now?

    Do they feel shame? Do they even remember that tragic talented delicate child?

    Perhaps they rose high up in the world of politics,media or military psy-ops…

  157. Oh and by the way Habbabkuk/O’Brien

    You accused me yesterday-most erroneously-of being the same poster as Nevermind.

    Now,knowing your methodology i don’t expect an apology.

    That’s Ok.

    But i invite any Mods here to freely reveal my IP adress to prove you were wrong,for all to see.

    I’ve been on this blog for almost 7 years and have never once employed a fake handle.

    You can’t say that Habbakuk can you?

    You are fake and you are here in Bad Faith Habbabkuk.

  158. And most of us will recall,i’m sure,Mr.O’Brien was the name of the torturer in Orwell’s 1984 Room 101…the provocateur who inveigled people to incriminate themselves to Big Brother and thereafter tortured them.

    A nasty little grass,in other words.

  159. Hi Clark,

    No, and no! :-)

    I’ll try that, hopefully will not be accused of using an alias though! ;-)

    I see you have changed yours, just showing off now!

    Thanks as always.

  160. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 Mar, 2013 - 1:54 am

    Clark; When my avatar disappeared, Jon said there was a typo in email. I corrected and voila’.

    Is the screen name, in any way connected to the problem CE is having?

  161. Clark,

    LOL…nice one…i laughed :-)

  162. Way-Hey, Muchas Gracias Clark! :-)

    Don’t worry the ‘The’ in my name isn’t me being pretentious, rather a Scottish football in-joke.

    Vronsky will get it, but probably no-one else!:-)

    Goodnight.

  163. I’m no longer a moderator, but from when I was I remember that Jives and Nevermind were distinct contributors. I did quite a lot of sock-puppet hunting. Neither Jives nor Nevermind ever used multiple IDs. Nevermind did formerly comment under a different name, but made a clean change to his current ID.

    Jives, “O’Neil” was Habbabkuk’s false ID (a parody of “Oneil”), not “O’Brien”. “O’Neil” posted a comment crafted to be offensive to Jews. Jives, you haven’t posted any of your humorous comments since Habbabkuk misrepresented one of them, and I miss them.

    Habbabkuk is hypocritical. It posted that anti-Jewish comment, but also likes to ridicule people for criticising Zionism. On this thread it has complained about off-topic comments, but then started an off-topic debate about referenda. It complains about insults, but directs more personal insults at other contributors than anyone else. It hardly ever reveals anything of its own opinions, but posts a lot of criticism of others, which seems cowardly. And it has plainly stated that it wishes to annoy other contributors.

    Recommendations: don’t fall to H’s level. And don’t fire back, as its major source of ammunition is through recycling.

  164. Jives wrote, “Absolutely i do. I believe there’s at least 4 working here in
    concert,and at least another 2 orbiting pretending to be the voice of neutral reason,ahem.No names need be mentioned.

    Why not? Mention them, Jives, for Christ’s sake – why be so coy about it? Or is this the dump-and-run sort of commentary, of which you are so particularly fond? FGS, “man up” and tell us what you’re trying to say for once!

  165. There such a lot of bickering going on here – leave it alone, you lot, and let’s get back to the serious/entertaining/informative stuff.

  166. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 Mar, 2013 - 7:32 am

    Good morning everyone!

    I shall show forebearance and leave Jives’ comments unanswered (limiting myself to seconding Glenn’s comments at 02h51)

    Feel obliged, though, to correct Clark on one of his points : I don’t think I ridicule Zionists per se, but I do ridicule those of you who see the hand of Zionism behind everything you disapprove of; this is part of my objection to the growth of conspiracy theories. And if I recall it correctly, my post as O’Neil was intended to be a humourous kick at someone who posted as Oniel and was venting stuff which I judged to be hasbara; I don’t remember it as being anti-Jewish.

    Hope that clarifies.

    BTW, speaking of conspiracy theories, I recall that, just after his death, there was some excited talk on this blog about Hugo Chavez having been “given” a cancer virus (or something like that, anyway). Which talk vanished as suddenly as it had appeared. Any updates on that “conspiracy”?

    PS Ben Franklin – good points again, I understand what you’re saying.

    *************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  167. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    13 Mar, 2013 - 7:50 am

    Ben Franklin. You say I do not debate. I agree but I have responded to you once or twice! I come here to be informed and to inform. I live alone and there is always a job to be done in the house or garden, plus two daily walks with my old dog. Yes the dog is female and getting on in years too! She cost me £38 yesterday for her annual vaccination. When I worked at a vets, the phials used to cost under £3 each to buy from the manufacturer so there is massive inflation in the veterinary world too, as elsewhere.

    Our RI is twisting things again I see. I have said numerous times to him/her, either directly or indirectly, that I will not respond to the daily quota of barbs and insults. Sometimes, when they get too extreme and I am being called ‘a poison fanged viper’ or similar, I boil over and return the ammo.

    This blog is certainly not as happy and as unified as it once was. That was the intention I am assuming.

  168. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    13 Mar, 2013 - 7:54 am

    BBC’s anti Iran element rumbled.

    Iran foils ‘new sedition’ ploy hatched by BBC-affiliated network
    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/03/11/293088/network/

  169. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    13 Mar, 2013 - 8:06 am

    Who said this five days ago?

    “We know that all this will only work if we are
    Open about what we do.
    And if you’re not happy, tell us.
    Seriously.
    This is it.
    We are changing.”

    Or this?

    “What’s been happening lately has made us
    Look at the way we do things.
    Made us realise that we need to do our bit
    To change the way our food industry works.”

    A. Tesco and today they find their meatloaf is actually horsemeat loaf.

    Horsemeat scandal ‘changing shoppers’ habits’
    The survey suggested that public trust in the food industry had declined

    More than half of UK consumers have changed their shopping habits as a result of the horsemeat scandal, a consumer group survey suggests.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21765737

    ~~~~

    Off to see the sows! Surrey Wildlife Trust have put six sows on to a piece of woodland that is infested with bracken. They go for the roots ?rhizomes and it is amazing to see how much earth they have turned over with their snouts in a very short time. They are very friendly and inquisitive and are behind an electric fence.

  170. Clark at 2.32 a.m. I never read certain comments except by mistake. The best thing to do when in your own mind you have discovered a troll is to ignore it. It does not matter whether it goes away or not. What matters is that it is not getting the attention it seeks. Eventually it will dies from within. There are at least 3 current contributors whose names I bypass to get at the real information. I would encourage everybody to do the same. These people are here to disrupt.

  171. technicolour

    13 Mar, 2013 - 9:16 am

    Hey hey, see some activity has been going on since i posted. Crab, thanks. Jives, you really do sound remarkably familiar. Mary, you respond all over the place – have been enjoying your posts more, as a result. Btw I share in the presumably general belief that kne-jerk snarky comments and guilt-by-association attacks are unnecessary and reductive (am quite capable of doing them myself of course).

  172. Extraordinary stuff going on in the USA:

    Judge approves use of ‘truth serum’ on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Legal experts question use of ‘narcoanalytic interview’ to settle question of Holmes’s legal insanity at time of theater shooting

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/12/judge-approves-truth-serum-james-holmes

  173. Manning: US Army like ‘child torturing ants with a magnifying glass’ (FULL LEAKED TESTIMONY)

    http://rt.com/usa/manning-trial-recording-leak-177/

    Defying the military’s ban on making recordings at Manning’s pre-trial tribunal at the military court at Fort Meade, the Freedom of the Press Foundation (FPF) has released Manning’s February account to the judge explaining why he exposed military secrets.

    “We hope this recording will shed light on one of the most secret court trials in recent history, in which the government is putting on trial a concerned government employee whose only stated goal was to bring attention to what he viewed as serious governmental misconduct and criminal activity,” the FPF said in a statement.

  174. Clark:”Recommendations: don’t fall to H’s level. And don’t fire back, as its major source of ammunition is through recycling.”

    Good morning to All,

    Just yesterday I referred this website to a young man studying politics as an undergraduate at the LSE. I told him that there was a pretty vibrant comments thread at this blog. Now i’m thinking what a mess! What kind of impression is he going to get of us here? We really need to take a good look at ourselves, i.e. those of us who are serious enough and capable of it.

    Re the H-person, it is not at all the fact that he is annoying, but the proven fact that that is his mission AND he revels in it. I feel real compassion for those around him who have to suffer it in ‘real’ life, not a ‘virtual’ one.

    Summary: I couldn’t agree more with Clark’s words above.

    Enjoy the Spring!

  175. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 Mar, 2013 - 10:19 am

    Villager opines :

    “Re the H-person, it is not at all the fact that he is annoying, but the proven fact that that is his mission AND he revels in it.”

    Which proven fact would that be, Villager? Please refer. Thank you.

    (you’re scratching the bottom of the barrel if you’re referring to my use of “La vita è bella” but if you are, please explain why that should annoy you so much)

  176. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 Mar, 2013 - 10:27 am

    re Trolls

    Actually, the thought has occurred to me that there seem to be different ideas around as to what a troll is. So, in the interests of clarity (and perhaps to get some sense of your own mind-setand sense of judgment and proportion), could each of those contributors who have accused a minority of other contributors of being trolls please offer their definition of the term (in particular, John Goss, Nevermind, Villager, Mary, Jives and Clark. Contributions from others also welcome, of course).

    No silly comments like “if it walks and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck”, please.

    Thank you.

    ***********

    La vita è bella, life is good!)

  177. “Actually, the thought has occurred to me that there seem to be different ideas around as to what a troll is. So, in the interests of clarity (and perhaps to get some sense of your own mind-setand sense of judgment and proportion), could each of those contributors who have accused a minority of other contributors of being trolls please offer their definition of the term (in particular, John Goss, Nevermind, Villager, Mary, Jives and Clark. Contributions from others also welcome, of course).”

    As one of those who hasn’t called anyone a Troll I will contribute.

    A Troll is a control freak, one of those sad people who get satisfaction from the sense of superiority they feel from making other people do what they want. So they make posts like yours, not because they are genuinely interested but to solicit a response from as many people as possible.

  178. British hypocrisy

    “The Duke and Duchess of Cornwall were visiting the King Abdullah camp [Jordan], which is home to 1,500 Syrians who have fled the two-year conflict.”

    “Prince Charles ‘heartbroken’ by plight of Syrian refugees”

    “The prince said many of the children had been “traumatised by the horrors of what they’ve witnessed”.

    “He also praised the “extraordinary generosity” of the Jordanian people and called for greater assistance.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21766971

    Jordan is a country that routinely uses torture against opponents.

    As for the “extraordinary generosity” of the people:

    According to a 2010 Pew Global Attitudes survey, 86% of Jordanians polled supported the death penalty for those who leave Islam; 58% supported whippings and cutting off of hands for theft and robbery; and 70% support stoning people who commit adultery.

    Later in the week the Prince will be visiting Saudi Arabia which, as we know, is supplying weapons to terrorist groups in Syria who are exacerbating the refugee problem.

    Also:

    “Seven men have been executed in Saudi Arabia, officials say, despite appeals by UN experts and human rights groups.”

    “On Tuesday, a group of UN independent experts urged the Saudi authorities not to proceed with the executions.”

    “They expressed concern at allegations that the charges against [the men] were fabricated and that they were convicted following unfair trials.”

    “The special rapporteur on torture, Juan Mendez, added: “Also of grave concern, are allegations that the seven individuals were subjected to torture and other ill-treatment in detention and were forced to sign confessions.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21767667

    What wonderful company Prince Charles and Camilla keep.

  179. RIP – Mahmoud Al-Titi PBUH -murdered by an Israeli assassination squad in the West Bank village of Fawar, southwest of Hebron.

    Carve their names on Israel’s wall in memoriam to the new world.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/03/israeli-palestinian-activist.html

  180. For all those mesmerised by the stepping down of Ratziner, some factual links to horrendous goings on, no doubt a concern to those at present cloaking themselves in black smoke.

    http://ratzingersbendict.blogspot.co.uk/

  181. troll= resident H.

    Now, he is a boxer and you are not anonymous.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/mar/12/english-boxer-curtis-woodhouse-twitter-troll

  182. This is a catastrophe of immense and tragic proportions. T

    This collection of minority political party speed daters are really hell bent on wrecking the economy further.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/13/owen-paterson-ban-pesticides-bees

    open nomination 26.03.-5.04.2013, if you’re not up for it, find someone who you trust and back him to your best avail.

  183. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    13 Mar, 2013 - 12:44 pm

    How noble of the arms salesman. He is going ALONE to Tech City, sans Maman. http://www.london24.com/news/prince_andrew_to_make_solo_visit_to_tech_city_in_queen_s_absence_1_1976009

    The BBC sent Rory Cellan Jones along yesterday to Buck House to interview him on Tech City and his family’s use of technology. Handy for booking the next ski trip or holiday in the sun I would think.

    Tech City – by Royal Appointment.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21744418

    What tosh.

    Reminder – Cellan Jones is married to the Vice Chairman of the BBC Trust Diane Coyle, a former adviser to HM Treasury and author. Nice one.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Coyle

  184. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    13 Mar, 2013 - 12:59 pm

    That is terrible news Nevermind.

    Neonicotinoids are banned in some EU countries. Patterson obviously in the grip of Big Agrichem just as Theresa May and others are in the grip of the drinks industry. She has Prime Ministerial ambitions we hear. God help us.

    I am going to this opera at the Royal Holloway on Sunday with a friend.

    Sticking together: Opera about bees combines art and science to launch Royal Holloway Festival

    A new opera that explores the dangerous decline in bumblebee populations in the UK will receive its world première at Royal Holloway on Sunday 17 March and launch the start of Royal Holloway Science Festival.

    The Silence of the Bees: A Science Opera, sees the Department of Music, the Department of English, and the School of Biological Sciences working together to produce a piece that highlights this important ecological issue. Dr Mark Brown’s research into the decline of bees and work to protect endangered species and reintroduce extinct types back to the UK, was the main inspiration.

    /..
    http://www.rhul.ac.uk/aboutus/newsandevents/news/newsarticles/stickingtogetheroperaaboutbeescombinesartandsciencetolaunchroyalhollowayfestival.aspx

    There are many scientific studies on bee population decline taking place at Royal Holloway.

    http://www.rhul.ac.uk/search?q=dr+raine+bees

    Does Patterson know of the evidence and does he care? Without bees, we starve and die.

  185. technicolour

    13 Mar, 2013 - 1:01 pm

    Oh, I don’t know, Mary – it was a bit of an anti-climax of a post, coming after the information that the bees are goners, but it wasn’t ‘tosh’. Don’t let Habbakuk make you too self critical :)

    Jeesus, the bees. The bees! I guess we don’t need bees for GM wheat.

  186. Thanks for that ‘buzzing opera’ news, Mary
    “Jeesus, the bees. The bees! I guess we don’t need bees for GM wheat.”

    GM, engineered and patented for market shares, with dubious claims and horrendous consequences, has now been rejected for over two decades in this country.

    Still our party politicians are pumping money into this vested interest white elephant. I don’t think that a GM bun and butter beats the adage of lasciviously spread jam.

    That said, animal feeds, not that of horses mind, is most likely not conventional soya, despite the promises made by the likes of Cargill not to mix it with GM. That’s the official line, the unofficial policy is to contaminate the food chain with as much GM varieties as it is possible, to destroy the organic argument and guarantee cross contamination.

    I would not want anybody to be deprived of their GM wheat, but its a bit bland without the fruits and jams we consume thanks to bees.
    for anything genetic, try this collective of activists and scientists.

    http://ngin.tripod.com/

  187. resident dissident

    13 Mar, 2013 - 1:29 pm

    Mary

    The PressTV page you link to is comical – it claims to have “recently discovered and annihalated” the BBC’s broadcasting to Iran – but then somewhat undermines itself by describing how the BBC have been broadcasting to Iran for 50 years. And despite its annihalation I still believe that the BBC continues to do so.

  188. Doug Scorgie, 13 Mar 11:11am

    “According to a 2010 Pew Global Attitudes survey, 86% of Jordanians polled supported the death penalty for those who leave Islam; 58% supported whippings and cutting off of hands for theft and robbery; and 70% support stoning people who commit adultery.”

    Don’t let those statistics fool you. Islam is a “religion of peace”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_Peace

  189. technicolour

    13 Mar, 2013 - 1:51 pm

    What “hypocrisy” is that, Doug Scorgie?

    “According to a 2010 Pew Global Attitudes survey” – had it not occurred to you that the answers to the survey might, just a little, have been influenced by the regime? No?

  190. ‘According to a 2010 Pew Global Attitudes survey, 86% of Jordanians polled supported the death penalty for those who leave Islam; 58% supported whippings and cutting off of hands for theft and robbery; and 70% support stoning people who commit adultery.’

    Where is there to go after the truth?
    Why should society tolerate theft?
    Who needs their children being sexually abused by weirdos picked up by their ex-wives?

  191. Neoconicides. Sounds like a good idea to me. Could be sprayed over Brussells, London, Washington, Tel Aviv at twice monthly intervals until only those who wish to pollinate truth justice and peace are left in charge of the world. Could we have double acting neoconicides with extra penetrating power for neocon shills?

  192. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    13 Mar, 2013 - 2:08 pm

    Resident Dissident. Whatever! They can however spell ‘annihilated’ correctly. ;)

    an·ni·hi·late (-n-lt)
    v. an·ni·hi·lat·ed, an·ni·hi·lat·ing, an·ni·hi·lates
    v.tr.
    1.
    a. To destroy completely: The naval force was annihilated during the attack.
    b. To reduce to nonexistence.
    c. To defeat decisively; vanquish.
    2. To nullify or render void; abolish.
    v.intr. Physics
    To participate in annihilation, as an electron and a positron.

  193. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    13 Mar, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    Dave Lee Travis has been arrested on further sexual offence allegations in Operation Yewtree. If only Sa Vile was alive to face the music, and his victims.

    This is also breaking news. I bet there is some shaking in the shoes.

    13 March 2013 Last updated at 13:17
    ‘Significant’ sex abuse arrests due says prosecutor
    Sexual abuse allegations against Jimmy Savile emerged after his death

    Jimmy Savile scandal
    Mark Easton: Credibility and justice
    Legal options for Savile’s victims
    Police-NSPCC report: Key points
    Q&A: Jimmy Savile abuse

    A senior prosecutor says “significant” arrests are being planned in the coming weeks of people suspected of sexual abuse.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21772529

  194. Ali Imad Takla captured by ex SAS mercenaries according to a British close protection officer and handed to the Free Syrian Army(FSA) is used here to create propaganda that blames Iran for providing armed support to President Bashar al-Assad.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2013/03/12/Syrian-soldier-admits-to-Hezbollah-interference-in-Syria-FSA.html#

    Operating in Talkalakh it is clear some Hezbollah members are working with villagers to expel foreign fighters taking refuge and regrouping in remote barns and outhouses that also act as arms caches for terrorists to pickup before entering heavily populated areas.

  195. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 Mar, 2013 - 2:53 pm

    WRT the ‘Bees’ Poland has kicked Monsanto out (it’s the bee’s knees)

    http://www.naturalnews.com/036010_Poland_Monsanto_GM_corn.html

  196. KarimovaRevengeFantasist

    13 Mar, 2013 - 3:04 pm

    “I have every hope the Karimov regime will fall in spring 2015.”
    Me too.
    My comment on the interview in Bilan is reproduced here, if anyone is interested:

    Uzbekistan is in the bottom 6 of the most corrupt countries in the world year after year. Gulnara has what appears to be a value-added jewellery business (discretionary product with high price tag so it is not a money spinner), a perfume business (the Guli brand is a no-hoper in a competitive market dominated by big brands), a song production business (negligible sales outside Uzbekistan even with the attempt to pass herself off as the popular Iranian singer, Googoosh, by using the name “Googoosha”) and finally a clothes fashion business, which is going nowhere (it failed to exhibit as
    intended in New York).

    The businesses I’ve mentioned are probably just a smokescreen to cover up where she has really got her billion dollar fortune from; she is suspected of using the whole apparatus of the Uzbek state to manipulate the business environment in her favour to secure businesses or business opportunities (invariably where there is an economic rent involved, particularly if the anticipated future stream of super normal profits over many years can be realised as a single lump sum by a sale of the business to foreigners for hard currency). The sorts of businesses that have “economic
    rents” (i.e. where there is abnormal high value creation due to scarcity) are mining companies (the economic rent is created by rises in metal prices of several hundred percent over the metal price cycle in relation to the costs of production),mobile telephone companies (the economic rent arises from controlling the scarcity of operating licences) and property (the economic rent arises from controlling the scarcity created by planning restrictions). The Uzbek judiciary is notoriously corrupt
    and lacks independence. There has been a pattern of using bogus bankruptcy procedures of part foreign owned businesses (at times in the economic cycle where a substantial economic rent is visible) to transfer ownership of that economic rent at nil value to members of the Uzbek elite, usually by depriving the business of inputs or by preventing it from completing the final stage of production that leads to revenue receipt. There is no paper trail leading all the way to Gulnara and her sister, Lola, but control of their investment vehicles in Uzbekistan can be achieved in other ways: e.g. by torturing the CEOs or by locking up their families, so Gulnara’s assertion she had nothing to do with Zeromax in this article is as interesting as the facts Mr Miradil Djalalov, the CEO, was taken into police custody at one time, and that Mr. Bekhzod Akhmedov, (the CEO of Uzdonrobita, the mobile phone company) has disappeared. The fact Gulnara claims Bekhzod Akhmedov inflated prices of goods purchased abroad (a money laundering technique?) is interesting when you bear in mind Lola Karimova’s husband, Mr Tilyaev, paid twice the market price per square metre for 14 Chemin Vert, Vandoeuvres, Geneva, the vendor of which was a donor to the UK Labour party, so the property probably did not have 24 carat gold bath fittings, thus it is likely an overpayment of about 20m Sw Fr was made. What Gulnara accuses her friend Bekhzod of, her sister’s husband may actually have
    done. Alternatively, the ease with which money comes from theft led Lola and her husband not to bargain very hard.

    The two sisters may also have evaded Swiss scrutiny of the source of their funds to make purchases of property totalling 60m Sw Fr by having jobs with the U.N. and UNESCO and thus by having an “autorisation valable de sejour” and by declaring their homes as their principal residences.
    Anyway, in short I think you should be a little more circumspect about things in Uzbekistan notwithstanding your experiences there. Gulnara’s “charity work” probably needs to be seen in the context of her fortune – it is perhaps another smokescreen, and the amounts raised doing it are in stark contrast to the size of both the fortune she has and the publicity she garners for the charity work. Even the picture of herself in this article may be part of an elaborate deception – she is wearing a WHITE blouse, and the photographer looks to have used Vaseline on the lens filter to give a soft focus effect that makes her look ten years younger than the 40 year old she is. The clincher for me was U.S. Ambassador Purnell’s confidential remark that Gulnara is the single most hated woman in the country – well she would be if she does charity work while robbing at the same time.

  197. resident dissident

    13 Mar, 2013 - 3:06 pm

    Mary

    And what do you think annihilation means to those agents of the evil BBC who were captured – however it is spelt? Do you believe that annihilation is a fitting punishment for those passing news to a foreign news network? Do you think Galloway should use his position to complain?

  198. Mary - for Truth and Justice

    13 Mar, 2013 - 3:08 pm

    That’s cheering news about Monsanto Ben Franklin.

    Nevermind refers to GM. The different brands of chicken layers’ pellets I buy all used to be GM free and cost £6 or so for 20 kgs. Yesterday I could not find any that did not contain GM soya meal and the cheapest was nearly £10 for 20 kgs.

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