Crass

by craig on April 10, 2013 11:20 am in Uncategorized

In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.

Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.

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  1. Thanks MJ. I’ve put an advert on my blog about RogueKiller. I don’t know whether it has found everything but it was fast.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/roguekiller-advertisement.html

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    Mary, are you losing it? Or are you just a liar? You say :

    “Another lie is being told. It was the Resident Interrogator who found it necessary to point out that fact. I put up Wikipedia links to Capriles and Maduro.”

    ********

    Your original post (11 April, 22h14) said the following:

    “I see Capriles is actually Radonski.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrique_Capriles_Radonski

    Why, all of a sudden, did you put up links to Capriles? And what should we read into those subtle words “..is actually..”?

    If you’re going to point to someone’s Jewish ancestry in your usual sly way then you’ll have to get used to people like me asking you why.

    Capeesh, Mary?

  3. He should have thought for a few seconds.

    Thatcher ‘death Tweet’ policeman Jeremy Scott quits
    A police officer who reportedly wrote on Twitter that he hoped Baroness Thatcher’s death was “painful and degrading” has resigned.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22124015#

  4. I repeat I said nothing about the ancestry of Capriles or the holocaust. The RI did.

  5. I think you threw them there Doug Scorgie.

    Now, back to trolls. Paid or unpaid, they have a common result: to divert the discussion, distract and change opinions.
    http://www.alexbrie.com/2012/05/how-to-handle-internet-trolls.html

  6. Komodo

    Yes, the Tories celebrate Mrs Thatcher for all the wrong reasons. She pre-existed the War on Islam and she did not see that her war on the welfare state rhetoric was a trap set by the Zionists to get B.Liar in. Just a reminder to all that Cameron’s daily cloning of Mrs T’s phoney trail will inevitably lead to the Zionist Miliband family coming to power at the next election.

    Muslims Unite. The US set out plans ages ago to win friends by removing the dictators and removing the British Empire borders. The nujahideen are relying totally on the promises of the US to deliver these reforms. Stupid or stupid? How can we unite when political Islam is addicted to the same old folly of trusting power instead of Allah?

  7. John Goss: glad to hear it was some use. If you get any further problems try running it again from safe mode.

  8. Mary

    You came back refreshed from your Easter holiday. Why are you tiring yourself out with trolls? Trash is trash. Think of it as Troll ash. The cigarette is no benefit to humans and the ash is just dust.

    When Moses was commanded to take over the city of Jerusalem, he was told that the scary people living there were the fag-end of a fag-end of a forgotten sect and not to be scared of them. Hasbara trolls are the fag-end of the fag-end of a forgotten sect. Blow on them and they will disappear and please do not ever feel intimidated by them. Your words of truth and justice are inspirational. Good girl, go for it, in other words.

  9. Will do MJ. It is beyond my comprehension why anybody would want to produce malware. Why be destructive when you can be constructive? Beats me.

  10. resident dissident

    12 Apr, 2013 - 3:23 pm

    http://donthatedonate.com/

    Somewhere for grown ups and children with taste to make their point. On the other hand you could make a donation to Apple or Amazon.

  11. resident dissident

    12 Apr, 2013 - 3:33 pm

    @Mary

    “Now, back to trolls. Paid or unpaid, they have a common result: to divert the discussion, distract and change opinions.”

    Oh well Mary – some work still required on the latter objective before you can join troll club. As well as for your explanation for your latest superfluous Jewish reference re Cabriles – I’m still waiting an explanation for all the others I noted previously. A apology for your “untermensch” reference is still overdue. I’m rather tempted to make a donation to a charity edcuating on the dangers of anti-semitism every time you make one of these objectionable utterances.

  12. Benefit scroungers with too many bedrooms-
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lady-thatcher-cost-taxpayers-535000-in-past-five-years-2376986.html

    Guano – thanks for your comment. I’m so ignorant as to be rather surprised that it should matter to a Muslim who the Prophet’s successor was*, let alone matter enough to justify killing a brother for his opinion.. But I guess that’s people…and as such a very hard situation to reverse.

    *given the relatively non-hierarchical nature of the ummah.

  13. Roll up roll up The only known 6 by 8 ft oil painting of Thatcher Bliar Kissinger & Suharto: “Batting for Britain” on my website.It should grace the walls of No: 10 ! Am sending cards to our thuggish Hague and Kill a kid Cameron,It is utterly horrific that the last 4 P.M.s have all been war criminals though I do realise theft and genocide make a few psychopaths very very very rich.It no longer matters how we vote, Israel & the Unusually Sadistic Assasins have so corrupted politics all parties are identical in monetary policy and overseas mass murder.

  14. resident dissident

    12 Apr, 2013 - 3:45 pm

    “cloning of Mrs T’s phoney trail will inevitably lead to the Zionist Miliband family coming to power at the next election.”

    Perhaps if you looked at the matter more closely you might find that the Milliband family is slightly less Zionist than you imagine – that is of course if you have the critical faculties to distinguish between having Jewish ancestry and being Zionist .

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article168181.html

  15. Igor Zcprowalzki

    12 Apr, 2013 - 3:48 pm

    “I see Capriles is actually Radonski.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrique_Capriles_Radonski

    This is antipolish slur. I demand on behalf of Polish nation instant apology from Mary person.

  16. Komodo, you old dragon at 3.48 p.m. Your Polish spelling leaves much to be desired.

  17. If anyone here needs lessons in producing ad hominems, try reading Tara McElvey (who she?) on the BBC website.

    Nobel peace prize (with Le Duc Tho of North Vietnam)

    1974 Created “shuttle diplomacy”, helping to broker peace treaty between Egypt and Israel

    1977 Left government, depositing his papers with US Library of Congress (they remain under seal)

    BBC History: Henry Kissinger

    The statement is vintage Assange – full of swagger and bombast, replete with the rhetoric of public service.

    ‘Six years after Wikileaks was founded, Assange and his organisation are under pressure. He worked on the database at the Ecuadorean Embassy in London, where he is now living.

    He has not been charged with a crime, but two women say he committed sexual offences, which he denies, and Swedish officials want to question him. Meanwhile Wikileaks has experienced well-publicised financial difficulties.’

    12 April 2013 Last updated at 00:23 Share this pageEmail Print Share this page

    Why Julian Assange would target Henry Kissinger
    By Tara McKelvey

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22095116
    BBC News Magazine

  18. Komodo

    The point is that faith is defined by proximity of the heart to God and His messenger, not proximity of the DNA.

    If a policeman obeys the rule of his heart that cutting police presence will increase crime, why should he be sacked for it? Cutting executive pay would be a much more intelligent economy than cutting police stations.

    Cameron and Osborne favour the ‘bought’ who agree with them over the rest of us who disagree. We are penalised for believing in justice. The criteria of Islam are faith, justice, charity. All absent in the philosophy of Mrs Thatcher.

  19. Sorry, spilled the Scrabble set again.

  20. That picked up the Kissinger biography in the side bar.

    If anyone here needs lessons in producing ad hominems, try reading Tara McElvey (who she?) on the BBC website.

    ‘The statement is vintage Assange – full of swagger and bombast, replete with the rhetoric of public service.

    ‘Six years after Wikileaks was founded, Assange and his organisation are under pressure. He worked on the database at the Ecuadorean Embassy in London, where he is now living.

    He has not been charged with a crime, but two women say he committed sexual offences, which he denies, and Swedish officials want to question him. Meanwhile Wikileaks has experienced well-publicised financial difficulties.’

    12 April 2013
    Why Julian Assange would target Henry Kissinger
    By Tara McKelvey

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22095116
    BBC News Magazine

  21. Here are some truly great female leaders, in comparison to the late lamented Thatcher.

    Women Leaders and the Great Turning

    by Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers
    April 12th, 2013
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/04/women-leaders-and-the-great-turning/

  22. Folks worried about virus infection. If you run either Java or Flash (and most have Flash) then YOU MUST ALLOW THESE TO AUTOUPDATE ALWAYS. Most machines I see belonging to friends or family with a virus infection have old version of Flashplayer and Java on their machines. Security holes in these products have been very widely exploited to implant trojans on PCs.

    Microsoft, Apple, Facebook and many other large companies have been infected themselves via these exploits. You don’t even have to visit a dodgy site as mainstream sites may have had its own servers infected or more likely are simply displaying ads from ad providers. The ads themselves are infected. That said according to webcrawlers, the site pornhub (and related) is one of the most heavily infected sites.

    Having the latest version of Flash and Java doesn’t guarantee 100% safety but it greatly reduces the time window and number of vulnerabilities available to an attack,

    Another trick used by some trojans is to allow the virus scanner to find a sacrificial copy of itself while others are hidden deep down. You think you have cleared the machine and the scanner says all is ok but it is not. A disk diagnostic utility booted from CD/DVD to blank the disk followed by format and then re-install from read only CD/DVD media with a known good copy of the Operating System is needed to be absolutely sure. Even then it could be in the BIOS but that’s a whole other can of worms probably best not opened in this thread.

    Diagnostic tools for drives to allow this complete wipe can often be downloaded from the manufacturers website. Failing this delete existing partitions using installation media, then do a full format as second best before repartitioning your drive as required and re-installing the operating system.

    Flash Version check at http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html
    Java at https://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jre

  23. Des Res

    This is my bubble car. The Bentley’s with the chauffeur. Cameron doesn’t zap Assad. Does that mean he’s joined Stop the War?

    The day a UK politician doesn’t jump to the Zionist/US President command is the day that global power is transferred to Zionist China.

  24. resident dissident

    12 Apr, 2013 - 4:18 pm

    Mary

    Why don’t you quote the sections of the article which highlight the criticisms of Kissinger – if the best you can come up with is that she accuses Assange of having “swagger and bomabast” – given that the rest of what she says about Assange is entirely factual then I’m afraid you are really struggling. Given that I suspect your idea of balanced reporting would be to assign hero status tro Assange and devil status to Kissinger – and not allow anyone to form their own views based on the facts, I suspect your views as to what does and doesn’t constitute balance reporting really aren’t worth listening to.

    And I think you will find that Tara McElvey is Tara McElvey who is a journalist who works for the BBC.

  25. Sorry for all bolded. Wasn’t meant to be. Should have also said that browsers, media players and of course, the OS should always also be kept up to date. Yes it is possible someone can hijack their extremely securely signed downloads but that’s unlikely. Unless you’re working for North Korea or something when it might be more likely…

  26. resident dissident

    12 Apr, 2013 - 4:23 pm

    Guano

    I think I had already worked out that you operate in a bubble of your own making – why the reference to the Milibands at all if it doesn’t make any difference?

  27. Venceremos!

    Thatcher is Dead—Long Live Chávez!

    By George Ciccariello-Maher – Counterpunch, April 12th 2013
    http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/8589

  28. And talking of zero day exploits. Apparently civilian aircraft flight software in common use allows a hacker to use the almost unbelievably totally unsecured, in the clear ACARS channels to compromise first ACARS and then via trickery the Flight Control Software. Some phone multifunction radio chips astonishingly even have an ACARS transceiver which can be enabled with a simple bit twiddle. Just been demonstrated at a recent hacker conference that it is possible for a passenger to take control of a plane from their mobile phone. Or from the ground with a stronger transmitter if not suicidal.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/11/hacking_aircraft_with_android_handset/

    Researcher hacks aircraft controls with Android smartphone

    A presentation at the Hack In The Box security summit in Amsterdam has demonstrated that it’s possible to take control of aircraft flight systems and communications using an Android smartphone and some specialized attack code.

    Hugo Teso, a security researcher at N.Runs and a commercial airline pilot, spent three years developing the code, buying second-hand commercial flight system software and hardware online and finding vulnerabilities within it. His presentation will cause a few sleepless nights among those with an interest in aircraft security.

    Teso’s attack code, dubbed SIMON, along with an Android app called PlaneSploit, can take full control of flight systems and the pilot’s displays. The hacked aircraft could even be controlled using a smartphone’s accelerometer to vary its course and speed by moving the handset about.

    From a quick scan of the presentation and comments on professional forums from people who know what they are talking about, it seems legit.

  29. Why? Because before Blair had a dig at Ed Miliband yesterday everyone had forgotten he existed.

  30. The plane controller guy also reckons there are vulnerable routes into the system over the internet as well. Recreate your own Die Hard 2 from the comfort of your own front room. Likely followed by a not so comfortable room for the rest of your life of course.

    The media reports saying that the pilots could simply switch the systems off. Well let’s just say it is not as simple as that and leave it there but the gory story is out there.

  31. There’s always an alternative on the day.

    A lot of us are having a day out in France next week. Wednesday seems about right

    We’re led to believe there’s one of those ‘Welcome to Ruritania’ things on in England that day.
    Still plenty of room on board mateys !!

  32. I’m getting sick of hearing people say that it’s “distasteful” to protest at Thatcher’s funeral. Even Craig Murray writes:

    “Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question.”

    NO, IT’S NOT A FAIR QUESTION.

    It’s not a fair question because the public is being forced to pay for an elaborate state funeral THAT WE DIDN’T ASK FOR. Massive excess for an individual who did what for this country and our lives? Thatcher was lionised NOT by the public, but by the politicians and businessmen of her day, those who profited from her policies, men such as Rupert Murdoch. As George Orwell wrote:

    “He who controls the past, controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

    If I were one of Thatcher’s children, I would tell the politicians that, sorry, it’s going to be a private funeral, so go away, and STOP EXPLOITING MY MOTHER’S DEATH FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.

    Only a private funeral would make it right to question the propriety of protesting.

    Yet again, those in power and the corporate media are setting the agenda: “The public behaving badly!”.

    It’s NOT the public that’s behaving badly, it’s the politicians – vultures picking over Thatcher’s corpse for political advantage.

    Nobody cares about Thatcher’s death, not Cameron, not Johnson, not Murdoch – NONE OF THEM! If they really cared, they would be paying for the cost of this ostentatious funeral out of their own pockets, and demanding a private funeral.

    “A Christmas Carol” (1951); the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come: not even businessmen mourned Scrooge’s death.

  33. BBC NuSpeak

    Just now on BBC London News

    ‘Pressure mounts for the last British resident of Guantanamo to be released’.

    They mean prisoner of course. Imprisoned, tortured, harassed, manhandled, insulted etc

  34. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 6:12 pm

    Dead pigs, birds and fish in the Shanghai River which is the water source for that city. I suspect this new flu may be related to the pollution. since it is centered in Shanghai. I haven’t seen any reports making that connection.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9978239/Hundreds-of-dead-fish-found-rotting-in-Shanghai-river.html

  35. Sycophancy galore.

    Margaret Thatcher: One of Us
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/105333/margaret-thatcher-one-us

    with a nice photo of Thatcher with Golda Meir.

    One would think that the JC, by using the phrase ‘one of us’, are saying she was Jewish?

  36. “The question is, once it does collapse, who’s going to pick up the pieces”

    http://ragingbullshit.com/2013/04/12/europes-stark-choice-resignation-or-revolution/

  37. Those famous lines of Shelley are included in this piece by Tariq Ali.

    Wars, Union-Busting and Neo-Liberalism
    Decay and Ruin in Mrs. Thatcher’s England
    by TARIQ ALI
    This interview with Tariq Ali was conducted by Die Presse in Vienna and appears in German in the paper’s Sunday edition.
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/04/12/decay-and-ruin-in-mrs-thatchers-england/

  38. Ben,

    The Chinese have stated categorically that the dead pigs in the river tested negative for H7N9. Who knows for sure though.

  39. “DESPICABLE #DWP #ATOS tell woman with mental age of 3yrs to get a job (not satire – please share)”

    http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2013/04/11/despicable-dwp-atos-tell-woman-with-mental-age-of-3yrs-to-get-a-job-not-satire-please-share/#comment-31092

  40. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 7:03 pm

    Mary bleats with false innocence :

    “I repeat I said nothing about the ancestry of Capriles or the holocaust.”

    ********

    You didn’t and I admit that you are always careful never to express your hatred of Jews directly. You just posted a link in which one can read all about Capriles’ Jewish grandparents (who survived the holocaust), preceding your link with the mysterious words “I see Capriles is actually Radonski”.

    ——-

    Question to the blogmaster and/or the moderators (if any) : is it not time you started removing anti-Jew and homophobic posts?

    **********

    La vita è bella, life is good! (run bigots out of town)

  41. Be careful with that ATOS story. At best it is a “misunderstanding” and at worst a work of fiction. The sister of the ATOS victim has now withdrawn the video and says it was all a misunderstanding. See https://twitter.com/bananarahmana – “Farzana , @bananarahmana, I write stuff. I punch and kick people.”

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 7:10 pm

    “Thatcher was lionised NOT by the public, but by the politicians and businessmen of her day, those who profited from her policies, men such as Rupert Murdoch.”

    Perhaps not, but obviously enough of the public liked her enough to vote her into office at three successive general elections.

  43. “Indeed one pensioner has not only refused to pay, but sent a rather forthright letter to the office of the revenue commissioner, explaining his opposition to the tax in rather fruity language.”

    http://www.neurope.eu/article/pensioner-time-bomb

  44. Habba,

    Over 55% of the population voted for parties opposing the Tories even at the height of her popularity in 1979. Thanks to our electoral system that meant that throughout the whole time Thatcher was governing, the majority of the population were against her and had never voted for the Tories.

  45. Radio 1 effectively bans Thatcher song from charts show massively going against every single poll every single organisation is running.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/22129537

    Ben Cooper: “Well first of all it’s been an incredibly difficult decision to come to. I think I’m between a rock and a hard place on this one. I think there’s a large part of the population that finds it disrespectful but then on the other hand you have a part of society which has decided to demonstrate in this way and if I wasn’t to play it then I would be seen as banning it and that would bring up issues of freedom of speech and censorship. So the decision I have made is that I am not going to play it in full but that I will play a clip of it in a news environment. And when I say a news environment that is a newsreader telling you about the fact that this record has reached a certain place in the chart and here is a clip of that track.

    It’s only 51 seconds long in the first place. There will be a 5 second clip in a news item instead.

  46. doug scorgie

    12 Apr, 2013 - 8:14 pm

    Mary
    Beware Greeks bearing gifts.

    “Your words of truth and justice are inspirational. Good girl, go for it, in other words.” (Guano
    12 Apr, 2013 – 3:06 pm)

    Also Guano is a pretend anti-Zionist (i.e. a Zionist troll). And even ResDis fell ror it!

    resident dissident
    12 Apr, 2013 – 3:45 pm:

    “cloning of Mrs T’s phoney trail will inevitably lead to the Zionist Miliband family coming to power at the next election.”

    Perhaps if you looked at the matter more closely you might find that the Milliband family is slightly less Zionist than you imagine – that is of course if you have the critical faculties to distinguish between having Jewish ancestry and being Zionist .

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article168181.html

  47. Babylonsqueak

    Here’s some real partiality for you to get your gums round:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/03/sorry-truth-virus-anti-semitism-has-infected-british-muslim-community

    Didn’t the US just put a Shi’a government in power in Iraq?

    Actions don’t count of dourse

  48. doug scorgie

    12 Apr, 2013 - 8:39 pm

    Resident dissident
    12 Apr, 2013 – 4:18 pm
    To Mary:

    “Given that I suspect your idea of balanced reporting would be to assign hero status to Assange and devil status to Kissinger – and not allow anyone to form their own views based on the facts.”

    Some people may consider Assange a hero but Kissinger would not be considered anything but a war criminal by the majority of people who looked closely enough at the facts.

    You have obviously come to your views despite the facts.

    See for example:

    The Case Against Henry Kissinger The making of a war criminal by Christopher Hitchens.

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 8:49 pm

    Doug “Son of Mary” Scorgie says :

    “Some people may consider Assange a hero but Kissinger would not be considered anything but a war criminal by the majority of people who looked closely enough at the facts.”

    *******

    Of course, our Dougie is one of that small, elite band who “look closely enough at the facts” and this is why the truth is revealed to him while the stupid 99% continue to live in ignorance.

    Pretentious prat.

  50. doug scorgie

    12 Apr, 2013 - 9:22 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    12 Apr, 2013 – 7:03 pm

    “(run bigots out of town)”

    You didn’t say that about Jemand; you supported him.

  51. @Anon,

    This what you want -
    http://australianpolitics.com/voting/electoral-system/preferential-voting

    And if the major powers employed this method of voting, we might have a more stable world.

  52. Dawgie Scorgie

    You want to bring your racist fight to this thread do you?

  53. That was a very unexpected Have I Got News For You tonight.

  54. How refreshing to see the resident it still throwing his minuscule weight about, every gnat deserves a bite.

    Still stalking Mary I see, you pathetic pervs.

    Jemand and his it kick, complaining how this blog has turned into a slum, are happy as pigs wallowing in the mire of their own making.

    what a pathetic arse licking bunch you are, just to make you feel comfy on your muck heap. T
    hatcher does not deserve the money that’s spent on her and I’m with Richard II, who the fuck do these minority party politicians think they are, spending money like water and telling us to tighten our belts.

    This blog has gone to the dogs, it once had standing and its place amongst others was well deserved, sadly its now inhabited by stalkers and apologists.

  55. Doug Scorbie

    Like a good Tom-panther I’m not even going to pretend I’m weeing on your bedding plants. Thanks for making me laugh though.

  56. @Nevermind

    So when confronted with lies and insults, how do your reply?

  57. Evening all.

    I am hoping maybe somebody here will help me.

    Could somebody please explain in simple terms how I can buy a copy of ‘Ding Dong The Witch is Dead’ in a way that will count towards its ‘chart’ position?

    It would be nice if I could do this without paying money to any parasitic tax-dodging American corporations – although these days they seem to have their thieving tentacles everywhere, so I accept that may not be possible.

    I’m not at all technically savvy and I’ve never bought an on-line download before, so please could you try to keep the instructions simple!

    Thank you

    Graham

  58. Amazon http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ding-Dong-The-Witch-Dead/dp/B0023NDFFO/ref=zg_bs_digital-music-track_1 – Will download as an MP3

    Many other downloads options available if you don’t fancy them but Amazon is only 69p and definitely counts towards chart.

  59. Oh missed the bit about tax dodging. I can’t be bothered cross-referencing every other digital download site with chart eligibility and ethical policies for 69p though.

  60. Jemand
    12 Apr, 2013 – 9:29 pm

    Dawgie Scorgie

    “You want to bring your racist fight to this thread do you?”

    I exposed you as a racist Jemand you are “understandably” upset.

  61. resident dissident

    12 Apr, 2013 - 10:27 pm

    Scorge

    I would agree with Hitchens view about Kissinger (as would William Shawcross who Mary had a go at recently btw if you read his book Sideshow)- and if you bothered to look at the BBC article to which Mary referenced and quoted from selectively you will see that Hitchens views and his book on the matter are very clearly referenced. The journalist concerned was trying to present a balanced view – with enough infomration so that people reading the article could make up their own minds. You and Mary clearly have a problem with media that acts in such a manner – and I presume prefer your views spoonfed with a built in bias – and then claim that anyone who does otherwise is biased.

    Just believing that someone should be able to state their case and journalists who present both sides of a case isn’t the same as agreeing except in totalitarian states

  62. resident dissident

    12 Apr, 2013 - 10:40 pm

    Nevermind

    I have already made it clear that I am no Thatcherite – but as I have also made it clear I don’t think it is particularly tasteful to start up attacks on her just because she has died and is not buried.

    If Mary or anyone else for that matter wants to start attacking people because they are Jewish (or Moslems, black , homosexual etc. for that matter) then I am not going to hold back until they explain themselves, and I am most certainly not going to turn my back as you seem prepared to do. If she had a shred of decency she would apologise for the untermensch reference she applied to Cameron and Clegg – as she knows all too well the connotations that are attached.

  63. https://twitter.com/JaneAitchison/status/322758212132671488/photo/1

    Recommended to me by Twitter just a moment ago.

  64. Some points arise from the JC tribute to Thatcher entitled One of Us.

    ‘…..while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to fly to Britain after his office said that the Thatcher family had requested his presence.’ ….

    Interesting. Did Thatcher know Netanyahu? Why did they particularly request his presence?

    ~~
    She opened a centre in Sderot. No worries. That was taken from the native people like all the rest.

    ‘Sderot was founded in 1951 as a transit camp for Kurdish and Persian Jewish immigrants who lived in tents and shacks during the Jewish exodus from Muslim countries before permanent housing was completed in 1954.[6] It was built on farm lands once belonging to the Palestinian Arab village of Najd[7] and is located a few miles south of the village’s ruins. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were “driven out” [8] to Gaza. In 1956, Sderot was recognized as a local council.[9]‘ Wikipedia.

    ~~~

    ‘She had great admiration for Wizo’s work and in particular its contribution to the education of immigrant children from Ethiopia and the former USSR,” said chairman Jill Shaw.’

    Rather a stark contrast there to the recent revelation that Ethiopian Jewish women were being dosed with contraceptives without their knowledge or consent by Israeli medics.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-admits-ethiopian-women-were-given-birth-control-shots.premium-1.496519

  65. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 10:46 pm

    “If Mary or anyone else for that matter wants to start attacking people because they are Jewish (or Moslems, black , homosexual etc. for that matter)”

    Bigotry is based upon characterizing individuals negatively based on their religion, or race. Madame Pinochet has earned her creds through her individual behavior. There is a difference.

  66. Res Dis,

    BBC1′s Have I Got News for You tonight was stuffed with often cruel anti-thatcher jokes (like it was many, many years ago). Did you see it? If not check it out on iplayer. What did you think of that?

  67. Freedom of speech, regardless of what our elite rulers say, does not exist in the UK.

    “A serving police officer who posted offensive messages online following Baroness Thatcher’s death has resigned.”

    “Sergeant Jeremy Scott, who worked in a back-office role for the Metropolitan Police, is understood to have written on social networking website Twitter that he hoped Lady Thatcher’s death was “painful and degrading”
    .
    “Scotland Yard confirmed Sgt Scott had submitted his resignation and it was accepted with immediate effect.”

    “Commander Allan Gibson added: “This officer’s behaviour was completely unacceptable and it is right that he has resigned.”

    I understand that he has been “allowed” to keep his pension.

    Knowing what I do about the police service and its management I would suggest that Sergeant Scott was given the “choice” of: resign and keep your pension or be sacked and lose it.

    Mrs Thatcher’s death is, interestingly, exposing the reality of the British elite’s power over all our lives; even the Queen has been ordered to attend Thatcher’s funeral.

    The UK is a cryptocracy not a democracy.

  68. “Friends of Dorothy are hard to find at the BBC” – BBC2 Newsnight a few seconds ago. Hahahaha.

    The dumb Tories trying to get the punk song “I’m in love with Margaret Thatcher” into charts don’t seem to have noticed that was a bizarre sex fantasy punk protest song against Thatcher.

  69. Jemand

    Trolls sit under bridges and expose themselves to passers-by. It is their job to ‘expose’ those of us who wear clothes, or rather think for themselves, which they think is weird and unnatural and makes them confused.

  70. Mary – I believe you are well-intentioned, but I wish you could be a tiny bit more discriminating in your onslaughts (I could put this more strongly, but won’t)
    Nigel Lawson, who is Jewish, referring to himself, Keith Joseph, Michael Howard, Malcolm Rifkind and Leon Brittan, this week in the Guardian wondered if Thatcher maybe had “a thing for Jews” as there were so many of them in her Cabinet. Probably: she represented Finchley, which has a large Jewish population, and she seemed to go down well there too.

    YET, and I think this is to her credit, she did NOT endorse settlement building and told Begin that he should not have for himself (or Israel) what he denied to others, namely a national identity and state.

    And, as I mentioned earlier, she loathed Begin for being obtuse and intransigent on this issue. She would undoubtedly have had qualms about Netanyahu too, and for the same reason.

    Netanyahu’s invitation simply demonstrates that this is a political event, and not even primarily a tribute. Even by Cameron, or perhaps especially not by Cameron. I’ve noticed that the UK MSM has been remarkably coy about mentioning this particular guest.

  71. Resident dissident
    12 Apr, 2013 – 10:27 pm

    “You and Mary…”

    Resident dissident
    12 Apr, 2013 – 10:40 pm

    “If Mary or anyone…”

    “If she had a shred of decency she would apologise for the untermensch reference she applied to Cameron and Clegg…”

    You seem to obsessed with Mary and her opinions. Why?

    I don’t know which post Mary alluded to “untermensch” but it is a German word that is defined as someone of lower morals. Cameron and Clegg can definitely be described as such.

  72. Twitter censoring “dingdong” from Top Trends

    Don’t believe it? Set trends to UK then search for “dingdong”. Roughly count new posts per minute. Then check Twitter’s official UK Trends, click on them and count updates per minute. Set tweets to “All” for both searches.

  73. Why are people such tossers nowadays?

    ‘Anon’ claims to have exactly the information I asked for, but ‘can’t be bothered’ to tell me it. It is evidently not too much bother for Anon however to go to the trouble of telling me that he or she can’t be bothered to tell me.

    Go figure, as they say in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    Since Anon implied that such sites do actually exist I put “chart eligible digital download sites with ethical policies” into a search engine owned by a company that pays its taxes (ie not Google), but nothing helpful came up.

    Do such sites really exist? If so please could somebody point me in the direction of one?

    This is not just about the 65p, obviously!

    Thank you

    Graham

  74. Although to be fair it is possible Twitter just doesn’t like “dong” trending. Either way “ding dong” tweets are being filtered from trends.

  75. “Throughout today, gold has been tumbling down a steep hill. As I write – after a brief rally when the NYSE came on stream – it has fallen $54 to $1506.

    On the UK markets, the yellow peril has slipped back into three figures, and now stands at £986.”

    “In the last 15 minutes, it has gone into vertical freefall.”

    “This is very probably the start of something hugely unpleasant.”

    http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/

    If true what does this mean for Cypress which is being forced to sell its gold?

  76. Oops! Cyprus I mean.

  77. Grhm,

    No I don’t have the info you asked for at hand. Maybe as you say there aren’t any. I don’t have a clue. All I meant was for 69p if you really want to buy it then that’s nothing to these companies at the end of the day. Even multiplied 20,000 times.

    You could be a troll and not intend to buy it in any circumstances. I don’t know. Don’t really care. I bought it. That’s my protest and that’s from someone who supported her 1979 election win – serious disillusion came later. As I said I don’t care where the 69p goes and I’ve already spent a lot more than that with Amazon.

  78. Lot of people here who don’t want to talk about Mags, aren’t there?
    George HW Bush will not be attending, rumours are beginning to suggest, because he is terminally ill.
    George W Bush will not be attending, some evidence is beginning to indicate, because he’s back on the sauce…more here:

    http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/fraud/gw_bush_ghw_bush/news.php?q=1218479857

  79. Piss on all those who think that the subject of street protests against politicising her bare bones is to awful to contemplate.

    Ben Cooper, in his BBC cocoon, should be set alight, alive, to feel the bonfire of despair about the BBC and his kind of attitudes.

    Who does he think he fucking is, Lord Mc Kack? telling us that he can’t play what we decide to buy and have as number one?

    His attitude is synonymous with the same culture that has been covering up Jimmy Saville’s run of the BBC mill, i.e. its fine for the BBC producers and bods to know, but for us its shut up and play our game. I do not trust the BBC to set its own house in order, Ben Cooper is what you get, apologists for political games and erroneous illusions of grandeur. Yes Ben, we have been led to believe during the last five month that Jimmy Saville is the only pervert in the country, nothing else to see here.

    Read Jimmy Savilles biography and weep Ben, cause the reality stares you in the face, i.e. perverts galore, from top to bottom, nothing ever changes, except your editorial line telling you what to say and do.

    Shit and we paying for this prole?

    Fuck you Ben Cooper, we pay for your splendid wages and for Maggie’s funeral, if we want to demonstrate and shout and be raucous, cause that is what she displayed in her solitary hatred for Scargill and his beating boys miners, so be it, she was never seeing the normal hard working miner behind the protest, this well fed hussy has not an iota on Churchill, however much she rattled her set of balls in front of those taken in by her free marketeering.
    I shall ensure that I teach my grandson what she did to this country and what her actions meant to did to the hard working miners.
    She was an abject failure to the majority

    Lets see some shit flying at her funeral,

  80. apologies for typing fast, just make it up please.

  81. Doug – very odd. Is there something “safer” than gold that these punters are buying instead? Oil, perhaps? But gold was vastly overvalued anyway.

  82. Nevermind,

    Did you see Have I Got News For You tonight?

    Or did I imagine the whole thing?

  83. O/T

    Exposed: Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is EU-Funded Fraud

    NYT admits fraudulent Syrian human rights group is UK-based “one-man band” funded by EU and one other “European country.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34582.htm

  84. Curious. Have I Got News For You on iplayer now gives the error “This content doesn’t seem to be working. Try again later”. It was available earlier. BBC Cowards just watched it or technical glitch?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01ry872/Have_I_Got_News_for_You_Series_45_Episode_2/

  85. Dreolin, next you will be telling me that top Syrian exile tweeters are actually fictitious and actually work for the IDF and get contacted by the BBC for situation reports.

  86. Nice find Dreoilin – Mo cheol tú!

  87. @Habbabkuk writes: “Perhaps not, but obviously enough of the public liked her enough to vote her into office at three successive general elections”

    First, parties LOSE elections – the opposition doesn’t win them.

    So, the first election you have to ignore because no one could have voted for Thatcher based on her past record, because no one knew who the hell she was.

    Second, once a party is in power, the first-past-the-post electoral system strongly favours the incumbents. Hence, a second term in office is a strong possibility UNLESS there is a huge swing to the other party.

    By 1982, however, just three years into her first term, Thatcher was the most unpopular PM ever.

    A second term was guaranteed as a result of taking this country – or rather a few unlucky soldiers – to war. The British cheered and waved their little flags with no regard for the maimed or dead soldiers (of either side!). Unless you regard a Pyrrhic victory as a great achievement, Thatcher’s success at the polls is, up to this point, based on hot air.

    Third, Labour didn’t have any popular leader at the time. A weak opposition does not mean that the party in power deserves to be there. It’s been shown that many people choose personalities over policies. Hence, an unpopular leader does NOT necessarily mean a bad one. The contrary is also true.

    Then came Thatcher’s third term. She became so unpopular – AGAIN! – that she had to be forced out of office by her own colleagues (she had a 20% approval rating and her policies sparked violent riots). Anyone who is going to get a state funeral MUST, in the absence of other major achievements, be so popular that they stay in government right up to the point where they decide to leave or stand down. Thatcher FAILS to meet that essential criterion, as well as many others.

    People voted Tony Blair into government for almost as long – just one year less, in fact. As the Tories call NEW Labour a socialist party, that makes socialism a very powerful force in this country.

    Are we going to see this kind of theft of public money when Blair dies? Will the media talk about the great achievements of socialism and the left-wing? NO, OF COURSE NOT! Because socialism and the left doesn’t pander to corporate interests or the super rich. Those who control the economy aren’t going to promote that which weakens their stranglehold over society.

    Go play your games elsewhere. Thatcher created mass unemployment as an easy way to reduce inflation (the Phillips Curve), with no concern for the lives she devastated. William Phillips said that he didn’t intend his graph to be used for that purpose. There was also NO EXPLOSION in growth under Thatcher. The economy grew at the same rate as under OLD Labour. Finally, it was Keith Joseph’s ideas and policies that Thatcher implemented, not her own. Thatcher, however, went too far for even his liking.

    The politicians are stealing public money and using Thatcher’s death for POLITICAL ADVANTAGE while telling us that there’s no money left to run any kind of decent public service.

    Therefore, any protest at Thatcher’s funeral is PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE given that those who are meant to be grieving are actually focused on self-aggrandizement and lining their own pockets – and that includes Thatcher’s own offspring!

  88. @Habbabkuk, and one final point: it’s X% of the turnout, NOT X% of the country. Hence, if the turnout is 65% and a party gets 45% majority, only 29% of adults have actually voted for them.

  89. At No. 5 in The Amazon UK chart: Elvis Costello “Tramp The Dirt Down!”

    When england was the whore of the world
    Margeret was her madam
    And the future looked as bright and as clear as
    The black tarmacadam
    Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isnt
    Haunted by every tiny detail
    Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
    All she thought of was betrayal

    And I ask myself, how did I get here?

  90. For the sake of balance, Tony Blair’s death will not be greeted politely either. Good chance the same song might go to Number One.

  91. I seem to have entered an Alice Through the Looking Glass world, where supposed left-wingers use the word ‘prole’ as an insult, or promote union-busting tax-evading corporations; and where simple requests for advice are seen as ‘trolling’.

    Weird, but not unaccountable.

    People who, like me, missed ‘Have I Got News For You’ but can’t work the I-Player, might like to know that an extended repeat is scheduled to be broadcast on Monday at 2235 on BBC1.

  92. BrianFujisan

    13 Apr, 2013 - 2:45 am

    Anon.. We wish Eh….bbc big propoganda we will play the song..it turns out to be 5 seconds…NOT the same thing as Playing at all..But i think there will be ( at least if we are STILL free ) many more songs regarding Bliar – the peace envoy Who craves more wars… ( wwiii no less )

    P.s ..We really have to stop feeding it ( them ) – DOUGIE

  93. Georgian muslim

    13 Apr, 2013 - 3:25 am

    “Guano,
    How can we unite when political Islam is addicted to the same old folly of trusting power instead of Allah?”

    Tie your camel and trust in Allah, is a famous hadith you should really grind upon its meaning. Some of your comments and namecalling of muslims who are figting against alawite tyranny in Syria are disgusting.
    Islam is a complete doctrine of religion, politics, economics, social life – based on faith in oneness of God. You are trying to deny other aspects of Islam against worship alone. You really need to reassess your sufi views.

  94. Georgian Muslim

    Yes, you lower your level to pathetic play-ground name-calling.
    I already shot down the call of Sufi to describe people who don’t agree with gratuitous, Zionist-funded violence against Muslim populations. I am not a Sufi. I simply don’t understand why it is thought by city-dwellers in safe havens in the UK that it is beneficial to massacre Muslims at the hands of other Muslims. How does this help Islam?

    If you had read what I said you would know that I have often heard my Kurdish friends in the UK describe the scholars of Islam in countries like Syria as Sufis because they want to blame the scholars for the suffering they and their countries have been through under the Western/Zionist imposed dictators.

    Kill the people and blame the scholars. That’s the motto of these angry people. Why do they form alliances with the very governments who imposed the dictators in the first place? Does it never enter their rage-stupid skulls that they might be being used themselves to put the next generation of client dictators in power?

    You need to engage your brain, brother.

  95. There is another row brewing over the FA’s call for a minute’s silence at matches today.

    Note the question raised here about what went on the day after the Hillsborough disaster when she visited the ground.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/suggesting-minutes-silence-thatcher-misjudgement-1827938

    When I read that she meticulously planned her own funeral, it is obvious that she had delusions of grandeur. One of the hymns will be I Vow to Thee My Country. Quite.

  96. yes Anon, watched have I got news for you, was Brian Blessed good or what? hilarious and controversial.

    The BBC just can’t fast enough, poor darlings, Ben Cooper will go far with his namby pambying to the establishment.

    Right I’m off to deliver some 5000 leaflets, anybody for help? Clark need not apply as he has been sorting out a website and blog for me, big thanks and hugs to him. Can offer a cup of tea and some nosh after its done….;)

  97. The words are ironic in the context of her ‘previous’. She did not know the meaning of love and her policies and actions were anything but ‘ways of gentleness’ and her paths were anything but peaceful, referring to the last line of this jingoistic call to arms. Just reading it makes me cringe.

    I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,
    Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love;
    The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test,
    That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;
    The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
    The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.

    I heard my country calling, away across the sea,
    Across the waste of waters she calls and calls to me.
    Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head,
    And round her feet are lying the dying and the dead.
    I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns,
    I haste to thee my mother, a son among thy sons.

    And there’s another country, I’ve heard of long ago,
    Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know;
    We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
    Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
    And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,
    And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Vow_to_Thee,_My_Country

    The author Spring-Rice was a diplomat and then Ambassador to the US. He convinced Woodrow Wilson to abandon US neutrality and to support the UK in WW1.

  98. doug scorgie

    13 Apr, 2013 - 9:20 am

    Hebrew lessons

    Student: I want to learn words that are useful in Israel.

    Instructor: That rules out please, excuse me and thank you.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22089936

  99. This refers to calls for a minute’s silence at FA cup matches. I am not sure what the position is about other matches.

    ‘There will be no minute’s silence held for Baroness Thatcher ahead of the FA Cup semi-finals this weekend because the Football Association is ‘an apolitical organisation’, the governing body’s chairman David Bernstein has said.

    Bernstein says he has respect and sympathy for the former Prime Minister, who died earlier this week, but the FA will not stage a tribute before the games between Millwall and Wigan and Chelsea and Manchester City at Wembley this weekend.

    Wigan chairman Dave Whelan called for a minute’s silence to be held earlier this week.

    But FA chairman Bernstein said at the Soccerex conference in Manchester: “We are an apolitical organisation and there will not be a minute’s silence.

    “I do have great respect and sympathy for Baroness Thatcher.”‘

    David Bernstein says there will be no minute’s silence at FA Cup semi-finals
    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8631976/

    Five more days and then all this will be over. Political, class and economic divisions in the country have been exposed.

  100. Ha ha ha ha

    Hope the science is better than the ability of the Torygraph reporters to spell correctly. eg Wiltshere

    British scientists ‘find evidence of Syrian chemical attack’
    A secret British operation has smuggled out a soil sample which provides the first forensic evidence of the use of chemical weapons in Syria, it was reported last night.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9991676/British-scientists-find-evidence-of-Syrian-chemical-attack.html

    If anyone is short of Maggie links, there are loads on their website’s front page.

    I Vow to Thee, My Country
    From the hymns to the choice of readings, every aspect of the funeral will reflect some part of Baroness Thatcher’s character: her love of Britain, her Christian faith, writes Michael Deacon.

    BBC ‘tying itself in knots’ over song mocking Thatcher Football fans to confront Thatcher demonstrators

    The Maggie I knew by man who shaped image
    Thatcher’s fixer and confidant for 35 years, Lord Bell is proving a robust Keeper of the Flame. He speaks to Cristina Odone.

    A woman who was first among equals
    Margaret Thatcher fighting the safe Labour seat of Dartford in 1950
    Margaret Thatcher’s influence on the way in which British politics are conducted endures today, writes Charles Moore.

    Cecil Parkinson: Leading from the front
    Norman Fowler: A battle of wills
    David Owen: A cautious politician and all the more deadly for it
    Maurice Saatchi: The woman who rebranded Britain

    PS I think the last should read Maurice Saatchi – the man who rebranded Thatcher

  101. Was Thatcher a ‘Champion of Freedom and Democracy’? Don’t. Be. Silly.

    “The world has lost a true champion of freedom and democracy,” declaimed Nancy Reagan.

    “I suspect, however, that the citizens of countries such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Iraq, South Africa and Chile might disagree. The inconvenient truth for Thatcher fans is that the freedom-loving, democracy-defending British premier was a close friend and admirer of the thugs, thieves, despots and racists who ruled over those nations in the 1980s.”

    “Forget the row over who gets credit for the fall of the Soviet Union – Mikhail Gorbachev or Reagan and Thatcher. If (wo)man is judged by the company (s)he keeps, then Thatcher – self-professed friend to generals Pinochet, Suharto and Zia, ally of Saddam Hussein, admirer of the Saudi royals, soft on apartheid – must be judged a champion of despotism and dictatorship, not of freedom or liberty. The historical record is so clear and indisputable that to believe otherwise is wilful blindness.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/margaret-thatcher_b_3042342.html

  102. Mary, I think the ‘other country’ referred to in verse three is meant to be Heaven. According to my contacts, there has been no reported sighting of her up there, so far.

  103. Deterrent policing ahead of Thatcher protests
    12Apr

    Netpol has increasing concerns regarding the approach being taken by the Metropolitan police in relation to the policing of protests at Margaret Thatcher’s funeral on Wednesday and the planned party in Trafalgar Square on Saturday. Fears are growing that people organising or planning protest will be placed under surveillance, and that the police will be willing to resort to ‘pre-emptive arrest’.

    The announcement made by the Metropolitan Police that they will be monitoring a ‘range of information’ including internet and social media will exacerbate these anxieties and deter protest to at least some extent. Netpol has spoken to a number of people who have told us they are fearful of talking about organising or even attending protest. This form of deterrent policing is insidious and divisive, and undermines fundamental freedoms.

    The Met do not have a good track record in dealing with mass protest. An occupation in Trafalgar Square after a TUC rally in March 2011 was kettled by police who used force to make mass arrests ‘to prevent a breach of the peace’ of people who had committed no criminal acts. Student demonstrations in 2010 were also kettled, measures which resulted in young people being held for many hours in difficult and dangerous conditions.

    Nor do the Met have a good record in dealing with protest at major public events. The Met carried out a number of pre-emptive arrests of potential protesters in advance of the Royal Wedding; some of whom are continuing to challenge the legality of police actions. They also arrested 182 cyclists on a Critical Mass bike ride for alleged breaches of conditions restricting protest on the night of the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games. From 182 arrests only nine were prosecuted and a mere five convicted.

    It is hoped that the Metropolitan police, on this occasion, show an appropriate respect for protest rights. Margaret Thatcher’s funeral is a public event of political significance. People should have the freedom to express their views and feelings without fear of dawn raids, pre-emptive arrest, or having to spend hours in a police ‘kettle’.

    http://netpol.org/2013/04/12/deterrent-policing-ahead-of-thatcher-protests/

  104. Georgian Muslim

    13 Apr, 2013 - 12:51 pm

    “Guano
    Why do they form alliances with the very governments who imposed the dictators in the first place?” – If such alliance brings to the point where you can oust the dictators, why not go for it?

    “Does it never enter their rage-stupid skulls that they might be being used themselves to put the next generation of client dictators in power?”
    -One of the signs of arrogance (mutakkabir) is blaming others in stupidity. Besides, you are trying to predict the future, which hasn’t happened yet. Only Allah knows what happens in the future.

    Re: scholars. Just because they are scholars (confirmed/affrimed by whom?) does not mean they are super saints. If you are a scholar and provide spiritual justice for tyrannical actions of a dictator, especially non-islamic sect of alawites, against ahli-sunnah then you are not a scholar, and you are not even a muslim. In the Quran Allah compares those who do not follow true meaning of Tauhid to donkeys. A donkey, which is carrying the cargo, does not understand the value of it.
    Muslims rely upon two main sources of Islam. If you are not engaging your brain within the boundaries of these two sources then you end up falsely accusing others.
    I stick to my previous advice to you.

  105. Who wants to be evict a millionaire? I do…
    http://www.ukuncut.org.uk/

  106. Thank-you Mary

    [The Torah's] ways are ways of pleasantness, and all its paths are peace; it is a tree of life for those who grasp it, and those who draw near it are fortunate… Proverbs 3:17-18

    Barbara Tuchman wrote of the Authorized King James Version of the Bible :

    “… generation after generation of Englishmen came to know The Book. Everyone knew it. In many homes it was the only book in the house and, being so, was read over and over until its words and images and characters and stories became as familiar as bread. Children learned long chapters by heard and usually knew the geography of Palestine before they knew their own. Lloyd George recalled how in his first meeting with Chaim Weizmann in December 1914, place names kept coming into the conversation that were “more familiar to me than those of the Western Front” Lord Balfour’s biographer says that his interest in Zionism stemmed from his boyhood training in the Old Testament under the guidance of his mother. (Tuchman, Barbara, Bible and Sword, 1956, p 83).”

    “The King James Version of the Bible is one of the lasting achievements of English culture…” Winston Churchill

    Tommyrot!

  107. Doug’s Corgie

    I am as much of a racist as you are a paedophile, .. assuming that you are not a paedophile. I wouldn’t imagine too many come out and just admit it.

  108. Richard II said,

    “A second term was guaranteed as a result of taking this country – or rather a few unlucky soldiers – to war. ”

    ..and in the process put two British warships in peril HMS Coventry(Captain Dyke:Four Weeks in May) and HMS Sheffield (FOI 2006 archived) with no air cover and useless ship-to-air missiles against low flying A4 Skyhawk and Super Étendards.

    RIP ‘Eggy’ and 38 sailors never forgotten.

  109. Mark Golding, why do you dismiss Churchill’s description of the KJV Bible as ‘one of the lasting achievements of English culture’ as Tommyrot?

    It is a sublime masterpiece of English prose. Churchill is almost damning with faint praise as far as I can see.

  110. Felicity Arbuthnot

    13 Apr, 2013 - 2:35 pm

    I thought the age of paying “professional mourners” went out with ancient Egypt, though it it still practised rarely, in places the US and UK would arrogantly regard as “developing.” Doubt those mourners ever paid a whopping £3,750 though. And as the son of Thatcher government cites scroungers on the State. Arguably there is scrounging from beyond the grave too as the State is picking up the tab for her funeral, not her wealthy son.

  111. Georgian Muslim

    You know from the pattern of the Arab Spring that the inevitable replacement for Assad when he uses chemical weapons will be a Muslim Brotherhood Jassous for Zionist USUKIS etc. The only reason why you don’t mind them spying on you is because you think you have clocked up enough good deeds that they are not going to catch you on the wrong foot, while your brothers and sisters all around you are taking short-cuts, missing prayers, eating interest and generally getting up your nose. You think the Brotherhood haram spying will teach them a lesson.

    I have the humiity to know that I was brought up outside Islam and my tarbiyah/education incorporated many emotional coping strategies which are not instantly cured. You don’t like the fact that the non-Muslim environment is influencing the weaker Muslims as well, but the iron rule of the Pharisee ( if you know to what that refers ) Brotherhood will bring them back to heel- yeh?

    Most of the Muslims in the world including the scholars were brought up with a considerable degree of ignorance/jahiliya in their upbringing. The Qur’an is the cure. But when you cannot convince people by the evidence of the Qur’an, you think you are so perfect in your morals and education that you can sentence them to death, if you could achieve it, or causing them inconvenience by putting them on work blacklists or pinching their cars – whatever breach of Muslim brotherhood will teach them a lesson and ease your rage against the disbelievers.

    Your refusal to listen is the greater pride/kibr. I have been dying to know why the scholars who have exposed my weaknesses when they tried every way to wind me up and test me, are the people I should follow to Jihad. Why do they blame the West/Zionists for the loss of the Chaliphate when the evidence is plain that it arose from exactly the same type of collaboration with the enemies of Islam + betrayal that is taking place now in Syria. Islam can only be damaged by Muslims, vying for position and power and intriguing with the kuffar.

  112. From keeping an eye on tweets it seems there are many “Ding Dong The Witch is Dead” banners at football grounds today. That should give the tv companies some trouble keeping it off screen.

    Chants of “Maggie, Maggie, Maggie. DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!” as well as the witch song apparently also causing them problems.

  113. Example https://twitter.com/LFCphoto/status/323074343133380609/photo/1

    For some unfathomable reason all the banners seem to be on an anti-thatcher theme.

  114. Now we hear that this hymn will be sung. Love Divine All Loves Excelling. It’s getting more like a wedding.

    1. Love divine, all loves excelling,
    joy of heaven, to earth come down;
    fix in us thy humble dwelling;
    all thy faithful mercies crown!
    Jesus thou art all compassion,
    pure, unbounded love thou art;
    visit us with thy salvation;
    enter every trembling heart.

    2. Breathe, O breathe thy loving Spirit
    into every troubled breast!
    Let us all in thee inherit;
    let us find that second rest.
    Take away our bent to sinning;
    Alpha and Omega be;
    end of faith, as its beginning,
    set our hearts at liberty.

    3. Come, Almighty to deliver,
    let us all thy life receive;
    suddenly return and never,
    nevermore thy temples leave.
    Thee we would be always blessing,
    serve thee as thy hosts above,
    pray and praise thee without ceasing,
    glory in thy perfect love.

    4. Finish, then, thy new creation;
    pure and spotless let us be.
    Let us see thy great salvation
    perfectly restored in thee;
    changed from glory into glory,
    till in heaven we take our place,
    till we cast our crowns before thee,
    lost in wonder, love, and praise.

    The assembled company will sing these words lustily led by her children Agent Cameron, B.Liar, Gordo Brown and the others.

    I see the possible reasons for her choice here. Wesley who wrote it was born in Lincolnshire like La Thatcher and at one time, ministered to the Methodists in South Georgia!

    Why not add this one by Wesley? “Soldiers of Christ, arise, and put your armour on”

  115. Georgian Muslim

    Let me tell you about an event in my life 8 years ago. I offerred to work for a very learned and respected sheikh who owned a large nearly derelict building which he needed electrical testing, which I started to do for free, using the money he gave me for buying materials for essential correction work.

    He wanted me to pass it, overlooking the lethal faults. I had agreed that I was not to be named in the testing work because I was not insured for electrical testing work, but the work was under the supervision and umbrella of an electrical company.
    Then they put my name forward to the council who had forced the electrical inspection work. I told the council the building was made of wood and needed to be re-wired or thoroughly upgraded before housing children on the upstairs floors.

    So what does the scholar make of that? 1/ That I am racist against his project and 2/ that I am working on behalf of council against his interests. When this level of bonkers racist paranoia exists amongst the scholars, from the time of the British Raj, I ask myself again: why do they make alliances with the leading agents of the war on terror and suspect their Muslim brothers? Answer: Because they are nuts, and all of the problems of the Muslim Ummah are caused by their barmy ideas. Don’t worry when it all goes pear-shaped we will blame the beastly kuffar.

    Why does it not occur to these people when they worry about the safety of young children in their care or the safety of the innocent children of Syria, that they should embrace English Muslims like me with a big kiss on both cheeks, instead of suspecting us and spiking us on their lsi of suspicious characters. The scholar had obtained slanderous information about me from his MI5 indirect connections. Why does he believe the slander of the kuffar against the individuals they hate most, the reverts to Islam???????? Answer, because like you brother they already have us labelled as Sufis, who say they are worried about the Muslims safety when really they want to undermine the Islamic faith with deviant ideas. Bonkers , barmy, words do not exist to describe the psychotic malice of the mad mullahs who are in charge.

  116. Louise Mensch terribly confused. Advises Tories to buy anarchist punk song “I’m in love with Margaret Thatcher”. Lyrics: “I go RED when she’s on the telly”. That was a satirical song Louise, Well as best anarchist punk can do satire.

  117. George Galloway special http://youtu.be/SLbFWivsfFE described as “Goodnight with George Galloway Thatcher episode, Explosive!”

  118. Actually her funeral has already taken place I have photographic proof!

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/4/11/1365680408484/A-black-condor-eats-a-dea-001.jpg

    PS: Nobody tell Komodo as a carrion eating lizard he’ll be really annoyed that a vulture got their first.

  119. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/apr/13/margaret-thatcher-protests-cuts-live

    Emma Cowing also reports via twitter that police in George Square, Glasgow confiscated the burning effigy of Margaret Thatcher after the Union flag attached to it also began to burn. Without an effigy to burn the protesters did a conga and chanted “Maggie maggie maggie, dead dead dead”.

    http://www.itv.com/sport/football/update/2013-04-13/ding-dong/

  120. Funeral news latest. Thatcher’s dear friend Conor Burns Con Bournemouth W is calling for Big Ben to toll 87 times starting as the cortège leaves Westminster.

    Over to you Mr Bercow. Please do not give in to the nonsense.

  121. KingofWelshNoir,

    Yes I agree, the KJV is a masterpiece of translation and part of our secular cultural heritage yet the vast repository of sometimes bewildering stories IMO adds nothing to understand or reveal the nature of a universal life force that permeates the cosmos. We remain disconnected to such a force and each other.

  122. Police everywhere Live from Trafalgar Square http://bambuser.com/v/3510515

    Protest expected at 6pm according to Guardian.

  123. Next in line for privatisation. The Act has already been passed. The Royal Mail. Why not rename it ‘Thatcher Mail You Know It Makes Sense’ while they are at it.

    For modernise below, read privatise.

    Michael Fallon MP: Why we’re right to modernise Royal Mail
    Michael Fallon is the Minister for Business and Enterprise and MP for Sevenoaks

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2013/04/from-michael-fallon.html

    The smooth tongued and very reasonable Fallon is always put up as the Tory ‘face’ and ‘voice’ whenever they need to sell an idea.

    Ms Moya Greene currently i/c at the Royal Mail attempted the same process in Canada’s postal service.
    http://www.publicpostoffice.ca/index.cfm/ci_id/12604/la_id/1.htm

    She is on £500,000 pa. Crozier her predecessor went off with £millions to head ITV.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moya_Greene

  124. Quite astonishing that after the BBC and others bombarded us with the “fact” that Thatcher had destroyed “The Left”, we are now bombarded with the “fact” that the extreme left wing is so powerful it can hijack every download site at will. Not to mention every poll and even the comments on The Daily Mail.

    The division created by Thatcher has never been healed. And I say that as someone who handed out Tory leaflets outside a Polling Station in 1979.

    “Hang Nelson Mandela” was a Federation of Conservative Students poster in the 1980s. Sickened me when I saw it first then and it still does now. So fuck off anyone who tells me buying a song is distasteful.

  125. A sympathetic profile of Carol Thatcher here. Her childhood and early life sound bleak. A dysfunctional family you could say.

    Queen of the jungle
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2005/nov/27/realitytv.politicsandthemedia

  126. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/13/ding-dong-song-thatcher-bbc-china

    Ding Dong over Thatcher song makes the BBC no better than China

    The worst that can be said of the Tory press and the BBC is that they have now sunk to the level of the Chinese Communist party. Since MGM released The Wizard of Oz in 1939, few have found the Munchkins’ chorus – “Ding dong! The Wicked Witch is dead/ Wake up sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed” – obscene or subversive in the least.

    But Britain’s surreal conservatives did not want the BBC to ban the song because its words were libellous or a breach of the criminal law. They hated the song not because of what it said but because the intention of the left wingers who bought it was to celebrate the death of Margaret Thatcher.

    The silencing of the Munchkins must rank as one of the most inept acts of censorship Britain has seen.

    http://www.open.ac.uk/platform/blogs/society-matters/lady-thatchers-slick-legacy

    Uniquely, the UK under Thatcher did not channel any of its eventual North Sea windfall into a sovereign wealth fund. That’s something that even the most egregious Middle Eastern dictators were willing to do. Thatcher’s failure to create anything comparable had devastating consequences.

    …Margaret Thatcher achieved much. But her greatest achievement was to be in office for the decade that the UK’s chronic external and fiscal imbalances were relieved by North Sea oil. To have fuelled a consumption boom with it and leave subsequent generations with no lasting legacy except an irreparable loss of production and tax capacity is an indelible graffito on the monument her worldwide supporters will doubtless seek to erect.

  127. When will the fucking stupid twats supposedly running this country wake up to fact they’ve been played for years and Britain is fucked.

    Oh I forget they are inbred stupid fucks and can’t work it out.

  128. Good posts Anon.

    Off out to see a performance of Dancing at Lughnasa.

    ‘This play is loosely based on the lives of Friel’s mother and aunts who lived in Glenties, on the west coast of Donegal. Set in the summer of 1936, the play depicts the late summer days when love briefly seems possible for three of the Mundy sisters (Chris, Rose, and Kate) and the family welcomes home the frail elder brother, who has returned from a life as a missionary in Africa. However, as the summer ends, the family foresees the sadness and economic privations under which they will suffer as all hopes fade.

    The play takes place in early August, around the festival of Lughnasadh, the Celtic harvest festival. The play describes a bitter harvest for the Mundy sisters, a time of reaping what has been sown.’
    Wikipedia

  129. Mark Golding, yes, fair enough, the content is totally bonkers. I certainly wouldn’t disagree with that. I mean, drowning the whole human race in a fit of pique certainly takes some beating. The language, though, is sublime. Probably the only example ever of a great work of art being created by a committee. (Of forty-seven unknown scribes.) Or can anyone suggest another?

  130. Occupy News Network Live from Trafalgar Square anti-thatcher protest http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupynewsnetwork

  131. Basic Income, a new human right

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqXXO0GGNRI

  132. Will change everything, Sign up!

    http://basicincome2013.eu/

  133. On Thatcher selling off British industry. Who benefits? Cui bono? The US Empire. No, Really! ; ) –

    “In my job I travel abroad and people ask me “Why does Britain not defend its industrial base?” Do you know that 20 percent of British GDP is now generated by US giant corporations.” – paraphrased. -

    (ER, Because the US Empire wouldn’t like it?? Ed.)

    ‘Ken Gill reminds us of Thatcher’s Britain’ – posted by Richard, 11.48 pm, 12th April, 2013 – Media Lens –

    - http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1365806925.html

    US IMPERIALISM

    Europe – the ECB – Neo-Conmen, neo-liberal tools, of the EU Elite in cahoots with the US Elite. Perfectly according with Johan Galtung’s theory of Imperialism that handily explains colonialism, US neo-colonialism of the 1950s and 1960s and today’s neo-neo-colonialism of the US Empire???

    ‘A Structural Theory of Imperialism,’ _and_ how to combat it! ; ) – Johan Galtung, 1971 – revered father of peace studies –

    - http://bev.berkeley.edu/ipe/readings/Galtung.pdf

    Plus ‘A Structural Theory of Imperialism – Ten Years Later – 1981. _More_ on how to combat Empires. Strangely enough the pdf is unreadable – the Empire has willing hands everywhere? – Printing it helps a very little!

    - http://tinyurl.com/7tjw93r

  134. Anti-thatcher protestors arrested in Trafalgar Square live now at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupynewsnetwork

  135. Trafalgar Square sealed off by police http://s16.postimg.org/4cnklfwj9/thatcher_party.jpg6

  136. Mark “….yet the vast repository of sometimes bewildering stories IMO adds nothing to understand or reveal the nature of a universal life force that permeates the cosmos. We remain disconnected to such a force and each other.”

    Mark, you are onto something. But how many people are truly concerned about this? What one sees is people spouting, being critical about the system, about institutions, about the politicians, about banksters, about the warmongers, about the media, about the 1%; even about the so-called ‘religious’ leaders.

    And incapable of true response, they react. They react by spouting, by organising and joining social activist movements, by joining protests and marches, by signing petitions and so on and so forth. But none of this seems to make any difference. Were the million people that marched in London to stop the Iraq War able to make the slightest difference?

    Please don’t get me wrong, i am not saying people should or should not do any of these things. What i am saying, these things of their own “add(s) nothing to understand or reveal the nature of a universal life force that permeates the cosmos.” We can march and spout, say or do what we will, till the cows come home, and are dead and buried but, of their own, it will not make any difference nor bring about change.

    So, is looking within, understanding who we are, self-study of self-knowledge, the way out of this mess? How many are doing this, objectively? I wonder. I wonder if humanity has not taken a wrong-turn. Is there such a thing as psychological evolution? What will it take to achieve a transformation? How many people, Mark, are even talking about this?

  137. BBC News no coverage of Trafalgar Square protests. Wonder why? Just like Jimmy Saville. Ignore on orders from above.

    What member of the Royal Family is the peadophile in chief? Clue: It is not Charles as the disinfo campaign would have us believe.

  138. doug scorgie

    13 Apr, 2013 - 8:43 pm

    Apparently Mrs Thatcher’s minge is to be cut out and preserved in a jar of formaldehyde and displayed at the British Museum so people can see what a Tory cu*t looks like.

  139. doug scorgie

    13 Apr, 2013 - 8:49 pm

    Latest from the BBC:

    Minor scuffles at largely peaceful Trafalgar Square gathering to mark Baroness Thatcher’s death

  140. resident dissident

    13 Apr, 2013 - 8:56 pm

    Occupy News Network Live from Trafalgar Square anti-thatcher protest http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupynewsnetwork

    Well at least the cheese advert beforehand was coherent and in better taste. Just a hint it helps to point the camera and the microphone at the person who is talking – but 50/100 idiots getting wet with nothing of substance to say just about sums it all up really.

  141. resident dissident

    13 Apr, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    Scorgie

    Is their no bounds to your idiocy and poor taste. Do you really thinks that comments like that will actually strengthen your political cause – they really say more about you than anything else.

  142. res dis at
    13 Apr, 2013 – 9:00 pm

    I agree with you there.

  143. Res Dis,

    Doug’s comment should be binned for the horrible image now stuck in my mind let alone the bad taste.

    Another Tory student poster from the 80s said “Support the Cuts”. It featured a photograph of Linda Lovelace (I think it was) wearing nothing but a bra which was about to be cut off with a pair of scissors.

    How tasteful.

  144. “Margaret Thatcher the tax snatcher? Mystery of her £6m house with links to THREE tax havens”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-tax-snatcher-mystery-1828441

  145. For once, i too find myself agreeing with Res Diss. Not that i have been following him much or this thread as a whole, except i will watch the ‘Goodnight with George Galloway Thatcher episode, Explosive!’–thanks to whoever linked that. Its true he often does have a refreshing lateral view.

  146. A Tribute to Blacklisted Lyricist Yip Harburg: The Man Who Put the Rainbow in The Wizard of Oz

    http://www.democracynow.org/2011/12/26/a_tribute_to_yip_harburg_the

    His name might not be familiar to many, but his songs are sung by millions around the world. Today, we take a journey through the life and work of Yip Harburg, the Broadway lyricist who wrote such hits as “Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?” and who put the music into The Wizard of Oz. Born into poverty on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, Yip always included a strong social and political component to his work, fighting racism and poverty. A lifelong socialist, Yip was blacklisted and hounded throughout much of his life

  147. I do apologise I didn’t realise that adult humour is frowned upon on this blog and I am surprised that certain people here seem to be shocked by a silly joke but not shocked enough to condemn the violence against innocent men, women and children around the world perpetrated by the likes of Thatcher and her international friends.

    Resident dissident
    Dreoilin
    Anon
    Villager

    Look at the pictures that are available on the internet of the dead and the tortured; particularly children, that have been (and continue to be) killed and abused; by our so-called “freedom and democracy leaders” like Thatcher.

    But you take offence at a rude joke.

    I doubt if any of you have even seen a dead body let alone that of a tortured and mutilated child or that of a woman murdered and raped by the military while she was “still warm”

    You are a pusillanimous bunch with big mouths that hide behind anonymity.

  148. http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/25/a_tribute_to_yip_harburg_the

    ERNIE HARBURG:

    So the songs keep growing with the times. People interpret them, you know?

    AMY GOODMAN:

    How did Yip feel in the late 1950s, when it was a hit, when people started hearing it all over the world?

    ERNIE HARBURG:

    Well, I think they were quite surprised, along with the film moguls, you know, and the fact that — years and years later, he and Harold both said that they did not know what depth and strength that that song “Over the Rainbow” had. And also, one other one, the song “Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead” is a universal liberation, a freedom, cry for freedom, you know, which isn’t seen like that, but it — one time, when some tyrannical owner of an airlines company stepped down, all the employees started singing “Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead.”

  149. Staggering link there Hi. Chutzpah from the Thatcher family having it every which ways. What gross hypocrisy. I have spoken to several people today, some what you would guess to be Tory voters, and they are ALL very angry about this funeral especially the cost being borne by the tax payers when many people are suffering hardship. Some think that Agent Cameron and co have overstepped their mark and this damned funeral will come to haunt them.

    None of them have any interest in the political candidates in the local elections. I think there is a desire for change in the air.

    Anon. That link to Yip Harburg was interesting. I have skimmed it tonight but will read it properly tomorrow. I did note this:

    His son speaking – ERNIE HARBURG: Well, I think they were quite surprised, along with the film moguls, you know, and the fact that—years and years later, he and Harold both said that they did not know what depth and strength that that song “Over the Rainbow” had. And also, one other one, the song “Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead” is a universal liberation, a freedom, cry for freedom, you know, which isn’t seen like that, but it — one time, when some tyrannical owner of an airlines company stepped down, all the employees started singing “Ding! Dong! The Witch Is Dead.”

    So people use these words. And during the war, World War II, “We’re Off to See the Wizard” was sung by troops marching, you know? But nobody knows that Yip wrote the words, you see. Now, Harold wrote the music, and the songs were Yip and Harold. That’s it.

    ~~
    Doug. I feel and share your anger.

  150. s/be Staggering link there Hi. Chutzpah from the Thatcher family having it every which way. What gross hypocrisy. I have spoken to several people today, some who you would guess to be Tory voters, and they are ALL very angry about this funeral, especially the cost being borne by the tax payers when many people are suffering hardship. Some think that Agent Cameron and co have overstepped their mark and this damned funeral will come to haunt them.

    Plus Ha bloody ha at this poll result

    http://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/04/13/comres-finds-just-one-in-three-saying-that-maggie-was-britiains-greatest-peacetime-pm/

  151. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 Apr, 2013 - 11:12 pm

    @ Doug “Son of Mary” Scorgie :

    “I do apologise I didn’t realise that adult humour is frowned upon on this blog and I am surprised that certain people here seem to be shocked by a silly joke but not shocked enough to condemn the violence against innocent men, women and children around the world perpetrated by the likes of Thatcher and her international friends.”

    *********

    Don’t use feeble nonsense like you’ve written above to excuse your filthy comment about Mrs Thatcher.

    I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again : you are foul-mouthed scum.

    ***********

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  152. Yip Harburg. Once censored from radio play in the USA. Now his lyrics to “Ding, Dong…” banned by the BBC.

  153. Mary,

    Someone tweeted (can’t remember who) that crowds sang “Ding, Dong The Witch is Dead” in Trafalgar Square on hearing of the death of Adolf Hitler and the BBC broadcast that in full at the time.

  154. George Galloway. Thatcher Dead.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLbFWivsfFE&feature=player_embedded#!

    It was posted today and already there are 250 comments.

  155. It’s been a nice quiet day without any aggravation or distraction from the Resident Interrogator and then he/she/it goes and ruins it.

    ‘Night all.

  156. Mary and others. I thoroughly recommend the Yip Harburg tribute. I’d like someone to ask the BBC to watch it and ask them again if they are comfortable banning his lyrics.

    Habba http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/25/a_tribute_to_yip_harburg_the

    Watch and learn

  157. “I am surprised that certain people here seem to be shocked by a silly joke but not shocked enough to condemn the violence against innocent men, women and children around the world perpetrated by the likes of Thatcher and her international friends.”

    The ‘joke’ was not ‘silly’ — it was plain disgusting! Not a good idea to share with others the dirt of your imagination. Please don’t assume others’ imagery is necessarily aligned to yours.

    Further re: “not shocked enough to condemn the violence against innocent men, women and children around the world perpetrated by the likes of Thatcher and her international friends.”

    How do you know? Don’t be pretentious. You and Mary do not have a monopoly on the narrative for condemnations. But, please feel free to carry on, regardless.

    More: “I doubt if any of you have even seen a dead body let alone that of a tortured and mutilated child or that of a woman murdered and raped by the military while she was “still warm”

    How do you know? Stick to the facts.

    “You are a pusillanimous bunch with big mouths that hide behind anonymity.”

    Sounds like you didn’t like what you saw when a mirror was held up to you. If you (and Mary) can’t take the slightest criticism, perhaps you have stopped growing? And maybe all these compulsive posts are just another form of escape?
    Just pointing out.

  158. http://www.yipharburg.com/foundation.html

    The Yip Harburg Foundation funds projects that (a) work toward world peace, (b) work to end economic and social discrimination and exploitation, racial/ethnic conflicts, and social injustice; (b) provide educational opportunities to low-income and minority students through scholarship organizations; (c) advance and promote new works of American political art, especially efforts involving cultural and societal issues; (d) preserve and enhance the legacy of E.Y. Harburg through new projects or revivals of his standard works in all media.

    Not suitable for broadcast in post Thatcher Britain.

  159. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22126940

    Speaking to BBC News, Mr Cooper said: “You have a track which I believe is disrespectful. It is not a political track”

    Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire.

  160. “I do apologise I didn’t realise that adult humour is frowned upon on this blog” — Scorgie

    That’s what you call ‘adult humour’? It wasn’t. It was the kind of thing 12-year-old boys might snigger over in the toilet block at lunchtime. Nothing adult about it. Nothing humourous about it either.

    “but not shocked enough to condemn the violence against innocent men, women and children around the world perpetrated by the likes of Thatcher and her international friends”

    I’ve condemned plenty, Scorgie. Possibly before your time here. I don’t post as much these days.

    Anyway, politicians are always “condemning” this and that. And when does it ever mean anything? Words are easy. Actions speak louder.

    “Look at the pictures that are available on the internet of the dead and the tortured; particularly children, that have been (and continue to be) killed and abused; by our so-called “freedom and democracy leaders” like Thatcher.”

    I have done, and I always do. When I see these “warnings” i.e. “some people may find the images/video below distressing” I ALWAYS look at them. I feel obliged to. When things are done in my name — or at least in the name of people in countries that my country seems to consider “great friends” of ours — I think the least we can do is look at the results of the carnage that’s wrought by them.

    As Villager said, you and Mary do not have a monopoly on condemnations – or on sympathy for the victims of violence. Take your puerile self-righteousness (and your puerile “jokes”) and stuff them.

  161. Villager – We see how bees invite, discover and then arrive, all from the energy diffused by a pollinating plant. That energy is of course the ‘power of intention’ and bees as a community acting together have a strong association and connection to that force.

    Thatcher incidentally cultivated a breed of humans divided in themselves as well as each other; a conflicting conundrum of selfish monetary greed and emotional frustration. These Thatcherism Schizophrenic minds cannot recognize association as they compete with each other in an aggressive, combative rivalry that can even extend out globally from within and cause world conflict as of now.

    A conscious mind and a conscience can only live in one place and if it does then the power of intention is it’s energy and stimulus.

    With that connection it is then easy man, so easy to reconnect with each other and evolve.

    The fragile spark called ‘life’ is firmly in our hands – go demonstrate.

  162. THATCHER – A BRITISH FAR-RIGHT US EMPIRE QUISLING ?

    Those born in the fifties grew up with Britain in the sixties ruled by Conservatives with a sense of noblesse oblige or Labour who gave the UK the National Health Service and a welfare state which included free university education.

    NHS

    - Michael Moore interviews Tony Benn on the creation of the NHS –

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LnY-jy_cE0

    Ken Loach interview on The Spirit of ’45 –

    - “My favourite bit of the archive that we found was seeing Winston Churchill heckled. That was great for us because the biggest war Churchill fought was against the working class of his own country and people forget that. They’re dazzled by the six years of the war time but his legacy as a politician was as a class warrior – against the people – the working class – of his own country.” – Who knew?! – @ 1:00 –

    - Berliner Festspiele 2013 – Youtube -

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViP4E2YwPrU

    Churchill heckled – @ 1.47

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsad8alF-_c#t=01m15s

    Ken Loach on ‘The Spirit of ’45′ – a masterwork –

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcCglKPF5PQ

    THE UK – A US EMPIRE SLAVE RACE – WHO KNEW !?

    Which was followed by a UK far right coup against Prime Minister Edward Heath by the Right Honorable MP for Finchley. One Margaret Hilda Thatcher.

    At the behest of the US Empire? Who benefited? (ER, The US Empire? Ed.)

    Then came the 1976 Sterling Crisis with Labour and James Callaghan as Prime Minister. The US insisted on UK domestic austerity measures.

    Who benefited? Again!!! (ER, The US Empire. No change there, then! Ed.)

    The UK was now a vassal state of the US Empire, under their control via the IMF, with a rabid right-winger about to seize power and destroy Britain’s industrial base.

    Who would benefit? Well it certainly wasn’t the British people.

  163. THATCHER – A BRITISH FAR-RIGHT US EMPIRE QUISLING ? – 2

    US IMPERIALISM

    Who would benefit? Well it certainly wasn’t the British people.

    (ER, the US Empire, perchance??? And a UK sell-out elite, as described by Johan Galtung in his papers on Imperialism. Ed.)

    Europe – the ECB – Neo-Conmen, neo-liberal tools, of the EU Elite in cahoots with the US Elite. Perfectly according with Johan Galtung’s theory of Imperialism that handily explains colonialism, US neo-colonialism of the 1950s and 1960s and today’s neo-neo-colonialism of the US Empire???

    ‘A Structural Theory of Imperialism,’ _and_ how to combat it! ; ) – Johan Galtung, 1971 – revered father of peace studies –

    - http://bev.berkeley.edu/ipe/readings/Galtung.pdf

    Plus ‘A Structural Theory of Imperialism – Ten Years Later – 1981. _More_ on how to combat Empires. Strangely enough the pdf is unreadable – the Empire has willing hands everywhere? – Printing it helps a very little!

    - http://tinyurl.com/7tjw93r

    George Galloway explains that 35% of British manufacturing was destroyed during Thatcher’s time. And that Casino capitalism went from 3% to 40% of the British economy. Until 2008. Afterwhich blood is still being pumped into the corpse. To this day. But The City is still a corpse and God help the non-Tory non-US Empire UK apparatchiks.

    - ‘Goodnight with George Galloway – The Thatcher episode, Explosive!’ – ‘Molucca Red’ Youtube -

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLbFWivsfFE

    And so – Maggie’s Desert Island Discs pick? – Comic Relief Special –

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p_0cayp5s0#t=00m37s

  164. Mark

    It’s a good thing you are working on re-inventing Islam because our William Hague and David Cameron -supported guys in Syria are working on it too. You may have noticed a few weeks ago pictures of Sunni Muslims shot in the head and dumped in a river in Aleppo. Their crime: going to work in a government controlled zone.

    Pure Al-CIAda psycho-political control-freak mercenary-monstery, echoing the worst of US interference in South America during the Thatcher years. Forget about Al CIAda, what about Al Camera, the British plot to replace Russia’s Assad with a Mursi-style, Muslim Brotherhood, US stooge.

    Thatcher may have pre-dated the war on Terror, but psycho-political control-freak mercenary-monstery, was definitely her forte in other lands. I have at last worked out why so many Muslims campaign for New Labour. Because they know the damage that an alliance of Thatcherism and Islamic Fascism can cause.

  165. I don’t like people calling Thatcher a witch because that is a term I associate uniquely in politics with Hilary Cabbal Clinton. Bitch will do. Let’s hope even if she wasn’t for turning in this life that she spins her evil vortex into the molten lava of the earth like Rumplestiltskin, taking her droves of Hasbara trolls and Zio-banksters back to the fire from which they first evolved.

  166. Capriles Radonski is calling ‘Foul’. Sounds like he knows he will be defeated.

    Good luck to Maduro today.

    Venezuela opposition says government broke election law
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22140143#

  167. These types can do as they wish just as long as there not another penny of public money spent.

    ‘Thatcher memorial library plans unveiled

    Supporters of Baroness Thatcher are planning to create a museum, library and educational centre as a permanent memorial to the former prime minister.

    Backers aim to raise £15m in private funds to set up the site in London.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22141238

    The main article refers to the funeral and uses the word ‘programme’ instead of ‘order of service’. As we thought, it is a theatrical event.

    ‘Well-known hymns and poems will mark next Wednesday’s funeral of Baroness Thatcher, Downing Street says.

    Details of the ceremony have been published, including the hymns To Be A Pilgrim, I Vow to Thee My Country and Love Divine, All Loves Excelling.

    The programme features lines from Wordsworth’s Intimations of Immortality and TS Eliot’s Little Gidding.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22077919

  168. resident dissident

    14 Apr, 2013 - 8:50 am

    Scorgie

    Apology not accepted – I did oppose Margaret Thatcher on many occaisions while she was alive – it is just that I believe that it is extremely bad taste to attack those who are dead but not buried. All your childish behaviour does is actually support the argument of the Thatcherites that their opponents cannot outline a coherent alternative to what they believe and allows them to claim the moral high ground – in other words you are nothing but a useful idiot for their cause.

    For all those who have just discovered the work of Yip Harburg and the Wizard of Oz – might I suggest that his use of allegory points to rather more subtle, tasteful and persuasive way of making a point than is within their current intellectual grasp. I see little evidence that he felt that the only way he could make his point was by behaving in a morally repugnant manner – please don’t try and justify your own behaviour by grasping at the coatsleeves of a throughly decent man.

  169. Doug’s Corgie is quite the hypocrite. And a shrill one at that.

    Lesson #1 -  Do not disagree with Mary

    On the previous thread, Mary did her usual thing of painting governments, cultures and people in colonised lands as wholly evil occupiers who perpetually steal from and oppress their indigenous inhabitants. It’s a black and white issue for her, no shades of grey. She tried to characterise my country, Australia, as one of the worst examples. I dared to disagree .. and then it began.

    Lesson #2 – Speak no evil 

    In my reply, I described some positive things about government efforts for indigenous progress and provided links to aboriginal problems of their own making to demonstrate that these issues have shades of grey – that the government and non-aboriginal people are not responsible for every problem despite Mary’s wish to have you believe otherwise. How utterly audacious of me for daring to share the story of violence, rape and abuse against women and children in aboriginal communities. These problems must never be discussed because they give people the wrong idea.

    Lesson #3 – Do not open your door to strangers at night

    Dougie then knocked on my door with an ironic Gestapo-like authority to question me about my statements, suspecting that they contained overt apologies for racism and support for white supremacy – hence his accusation that I am a racist, white supremacist (despite anecdotal evidence to the contrary). On my doorstep, he charged, tried and convicted me of being an enemy of the blog. The sentence? I am to walk around this blog’s neighbourhood wearing a sandwich board on which he wrote a concise summary of my true feelings (see below). 

    Lesson #4 – Silence is golden

    Did either Mary or Doug Scorgie condemn the violent crimes against aboriginal women and children? 

    Nope!

    Did they express sympathy for the victims? 

    Nope! 

    Are Doug and Mary incredulous? Embarrassed? Or just plain hypocritical?

    . . . .

    This is my punishment -
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/4217959795_565b91e279_o.jpg

  170. Mary,

    would a generous dose of teargas be released at the event as a part of the thatcherite “programme? The weeping crowds could provide a lush pasture for the BBc cows and their viewers. If gone wrong one can always put the blame on the satanic Bashar Assad.

  171. nothing better than a good bitch fight over this conniving woman and her ilk eh, keep it going peeps, nothing more interesting going on, so lets have a go at each other… over what? some morbid extravaganza her kind of ilk and friends would have paid to see, especially JS. BORING.

    “Supporters of Baroness Thatcher are planning to create a museum, library and educational centre as a permanent memorial to the former prime minister.

    Backers aim to raise £15m in private funds to set up the site in London.”

    And not a penny of that money taxed looking at those who will ensure a sanitised environment, a polished history were the like’s of Saville and other paedophiles in her Government were never in existence and the Belgrano was steaming towards the Falklands.

    The building will become a magnet for graffiti artists and political raconteurs and I will ensure that my grandson never sets foot in it whilst I’m alive.
    It will be the Bethnal Green museum of childhood, any time.

    One village done, 4600 to go.

  172. The trolls (and some others here) seem to have fallen for the snide and divisive trick of the Reaident Interrogator to link Doug Scorgie to me as ‘Son of Mary’. How ridiculous and how nasty like all his other epithets.

    I did not comment on Doug Scorgie’s joke. He apologised to those who expressed that they had been offended which should have been the end of the matter for goodness’ sake.

    I said to him that I feel and share his anger which some here seem to imply is contrived. I don’t think it is. I use this metaphor about pond skaters, little creatures that live on the surface of water suspended by the surface tension and either fearing to look down into the depths, or knowing what might be there, yet denying it. Simolar to those here who are self obsessed, complacent, and lacking in moral courage and unable to feel the terrible pain of the other, especially if they are far away and brown. Think on.

    Dreoilin and Villager. Put the boot in why don’t you and kick my other shin. You have fallen into the trap set by the most active of the site’s trolls and the others have thus been provided with ‘nourishment’.

    I am as free to comment here as much as you Dreoilin and as I have said frequently, we are ALL here as Craig’s guests. I hope your back pain is being relieved.

    The indignation being expressed about Doug Scorgie’s post has been noticeable. I don’t think that any views were expressed on the RI speaking about someone ‘being at my teat’ or similar which I found personally very offensive and we have also had mention of ‘vagina’ in other totally inappropriate remarks.

    I’m out of this increasingly unpleasant place until Craig posts again. Good hunting. I have a lot of gardening to catch up on.

    And a PS about the RI’s post at the top of this page. I never introduced the fact that Capriles had holocaust survivors as relatives. He did of course.

  173. Mrs Thatcher understood that there is no divine law that says that people have to come and buy stuff in your shop. You have to fight.
    In essence that is the moral question: do you fight fair or foul? The village shopkeeper mentality of UK politics since then has been: foul. Nobody cares if your product is good or not, or your cause is good or not. Only raw power counts.

    The war in Syria is a war of the neo-cons for a new world order against us the people. UKUSIS + Russia, China Europe etc need, like the village mind to enforce the pecking order and tell us who’s boss. Assad, Netantayhu, Cameron, Obama and political Islam are all on the same side, the political side, and we the people are being informed the hard way that they are boss.

    Thatcher as a lady is being buried. Because of this the enforcers are having a bit of a party. Because of this the members of that group are going to be told where to get off.
    As much as they use the funeral to boast their power, they will be dragged through the list of their war crimes of how they took that power. They are accountable for their crimes and however much power they grabbed from us, it is nothing compared to the power of Allah to punish them for their crimes.

  174. Laws affect lives. Laws enable vast industries to secure business that complies with the laws, and deprives others of work which those laws remove from the scope of their compliance.

    Same with marriage laws. In 1977 the UK government removed blame from the legislation on Divorce, because it was costing too much for the courts to evaluate blame. That legislation removed any legal discouragement from breaking marriage vows and divorce.

    This cannot be blamed on Thatcher same as the problems of UK industry can’t be blamed on Thatcher. But the way in which she dealt with the consequences of the pre-existing legislation was totally unnecessarily severe. The purpose of the legislation was to avoid the publicity and cost of divorce. But she interpreted the legislation to mean that the laws of marriage had been repealed. Contracts that could only be engaged in by the church or government registrars were now scrapped as if they had been repealed along with the ‘blame’ legislation.

    This is an example of how Mrs Thatcher bullied the nation, by using government powers way beyond the intended purpose for which they had been granted. That is, curiously enough the topic of this thread, which Craig has put his finger on in relation to police mentality on protest at Mrs Thatcher’s funeral.

    It is precisely because Mrs Thatcher used this foot-in-the-door bullying tactic to twist legislation to purposes way beyond their original intention, that so much protest is going to be released at this funeral. Not AT the funeral, which would be distasteful, but after, and before.

  175. Well done Sally!

    “Sally Bercow has reportedly snubbed an invitation to Margaret Thatcher’s funeral over her belief that the former Prime Minister instigated a “very greedy and selfish society”.

    “Mr Bercow is said to have told organisers he would not be accompanied to the funeral by his wife, asking if he could bring a colleague instead.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sally-bercow-snubs-invitation-to-margaret-thatchers-funeral-8572313.html

    P.S. Arthur Scargill will not be attending.

    Ding-dong

  176. Apartheid Israel; even in death:

    “For the past decade, a phenomenon has been occurring in the military cemetery on Mount Herzl that goes against one of the main principles of the visionary of the State of Israel who gave the mountain its name: separation between the state − in this case, the army − and religion. Soldiers are being differentiated by religion after death, with those whom rabbis have decided are Jewish being buried in the cemetery’s central section, while Christians, Muslims and others are in a section off to the side. Those who were deemed second-class citizens in life in the Jewish state are also relegated to second-rate status in their burial, with the consent of the Israel Defense Forces.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/israel-must-mourn-without-discrimination-1.515338

  177. “I am as free to comment here as much as you Dreoilin”

    Yes Mary. And when have I suggested, or implied or even hinted that you weren’t?

    **************

    H7N9 human infections in China hit 51

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/health/2013-04/14/c_132307195.htm

  178. Prisoners, Guards Clash Over Guantanamo Bay Raid [13 Apr 2013]

    Months of increased tension at the Guantanamo Bay prison boiled over into a clash between guards and detainees Saturday as the military closed a communal section of the facility and moved its inmates into single cells.

    The violence erupted during an early morning raid that military officials said was necessary because prisoners had covered up security cameras and windows as part of a weekslong protest and hunger strike over their indefinite confinement and conditions at the U.S. base in Cuba.

    Prisoners fought guards with makeshift weapons that included broomsticks when troops arrived to move them out of a communal wing of the section of the prison known as Camp 6, said Navy Capt. Robert Durand, a military spokesman. Guards responded by firing four “less-than-lethal rounds,” he said.

    More:

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/guards-detainees-clash-guantanamo-bay-18948034

  179. Craig. I see your mate JOHN SWEENY is in the news again. It’s strange that quite often when he goes somewhere, a controversy blooms, yet it’s always someone else’s fault. Now he says the LSE is putting words into the mouths of students after his reconnaissance mission to North Korea ended. He likened NK to a Nazi state. I suggest the BBC save a lot of money and stop putting students in jeopardy, just make him tour the Nazi state of which he declares himself to be a ‘subject’ therein.

  180. Lest we forget

    Thatcher suggested ‘Cromwell solution’ for Northern Ireland

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/jun/16/northernireland.catholicism

  181. Dreolin,

    Latest count is 60 confirmed infected, 13 dead. Cases turning up in Beijing now.

  182. Wonderful post mortem of the Thatcher Theft project:

    “Richard D. Wolff is Professor of Economics Emeritus, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and currently a Visiting Professor in the Graduate Program in International Affairs of the New School University in New York. Wolff has also taught economics at Yale University, City University of New York, University of Utah, University of Paris I (Sorbonne), and The Brecht Forum in New York City.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ij5xsbRWyHQ

  183. Thanks Anon.
    That must have shot up fast. That link I posted is time-stamped 2013-04-14 10:31:22

  184. Oops, maybe that was Chinese time. It’s currently 9.13pm in Beijing.

  185. Husband of an earlier confirmed H7N9 case now confirmed infected with H7N9. Case onset times suggest human-human transmission but not proven. Wife died on April 3rd from H7N9

  186. Anon @ 12.38. I was interested to learn that “liar, Liar, pants on fire” has been attributed to a William Blake poem. It could of course pre-date the Blake poem. I say that because I can remember kids chanting it in the fifties and everyone seems to think it only goes back to Blake (1820) but it seems more likely that Blake is paraphrasing the chant in his poem.

    http://www.teenink.com/nonfiction/academic/article/362409/Liar-Liar-Pants-on-Fire/

    And, almost certainly, the last two lines, were written about Tony Blair.

    “What infernal serpent
    Has lent you his forked tongue?
    From what pit of foul deceit
    Are all these whoppers sprung?

    Deceiver, dissembler
    Your trousers are alight
    From what pole or gallows
    Do they dangle in the night?”

  187. Mark Biddiss , organiser of the dingdong campaign, has had his twitter account suspended. No comment yet from twitter.

    His Facebook account remains active.

  188. A football match broke out during anti-thatcher demonstrations at Hampden Park, Glasgow

    https://twitter.com/FBAwayDays/status/323438100913192961/photo/1

    Dundee United 3 Celtic 4 after extra time.

  189. resident dissident

    14 Apr, 2013 - 3:14 pm

    lwtc247

    “I suggest the BBC save a lot of money and stop putting students in jeopardy, just make him tour the Nazi state of which he declares himself to be a ‘subject’ therein.”

    Yeh – why don’t you go and try and download a copy of “Ding Dong the Eternal Leaders dead” in Pyonyang if you really believe your own garbage. You must be getting all excited as tomorrow is the big day.

  190. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 Apr, 2013 - 3:40 pm

    @ Dreoilin :

    ““I am as free to comment here as much as you Dreoilin”

    Yes Mary. And when have I suggested, or implied or even hinted that you weren’t?”"

    ******

    A typical tactic of Mary’s – she sets up a straw man as a defence. I don’t remember you ever having denied anyone the right to post (unlike some of the Eminences).

    By the definition which you were kind enought to provide a few days ago, it seems more and more clear that Mary and people like her are the real trolls on this blog.

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