Alisher Usmanov

by craig on May 18, 2013 12:00 pm in Uncategorized

Now officially Britain’s wealthiest man, Alisher Usmanov has perhaps the world’s most carefully manicured Wikipedia entry. This article looks interesting and worrying. Can anyone do a good translation? Automatic web translators seem to struggle with it even more than usual. Please do not post any automated translations.

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  1. April Showers

    18 May, 2013 - 12:24 pm

    This is the link to the Hungarian original.
    http://index.hu/tech/uzlet/2011/04/12/igy_foglaljak_el_az_oroszok_az_internetet/

    This is the Yuri Milner referred to within. New one on me
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Milner

  2. Automatic web translators are by and large a disaster. They can’t cope with idiomatic expressions.

  3. @April Showers

    Thanks for the Hungarian original.

    If nobody on here can do anything with the translation before Wednesday I can give it to my husband to look at then – he’s Hungarian (although a bit rusty with the language now). Can’t do before – he’s in a hospital 70kms away and no transport till then!

  4. A Google search turned up quite a lot of info on the DST links between the two – mainly straightforward news about Facebook investment but this also came up:

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2155637

    Whether there’s a word of truth in the back-forth gossip is anyone’s guess.

  5. “…perhaps the world’s most carefully manicured Wikipedia entry”

    Yes; I discovered this some time last year, I think. I drew attention to the removal of correctly sourced material (at Wikipedia, this is called “vandalism”) and more senior Wikipedians applied a “neutrality of this article is disputed” tag; I see that it has been removed.

    Much dirt on Usmanov is still recorded at Wikipedia; it just doesn’t appear on the main page of the article. You have to look back through that article’s History, where you will find the large chunks of well-referenced material that someone regularly removes.

    As “Britain’s wealthiest man”, Usmanov can afford to pay his employees to sanitise his Wikipedia article. I expect Usmanov’s diligent helper(s) will show up here soon, to tell us that Craig is wrong and Usmanov is a fine, upstanding philanthropist. Hmmm. If Usmanov was really so virtuous, he wouldn’t need helpers removing sourced material about him from Wikipedia.

  6. Craig, I just noticed this part of Usmanov’s Wikipedia entry:

    “In May 2009, Digital Sky Technologies (which later changed its name to “Mail.ru Group”),[44] a company in which he owns a 32-percent stake, paid $200 million for a 1.96-percent stake in social networking website Facebook.[45]”

    Mail.ru is, of course, an e-mail provider; alliances between e-mail providers and Facebook are particularly powerful for connecting on-line interests, activities and contacts with personal identity. Interesting, since Usmanov has been convicted of blackmail, I believe.

  7. April Showers

    18 May, 2013 - 2:27 pm

    Thanks Indigo and Clark.

    Have nothing to do with social media like Twitter and Facebook is my motto.

    Zuckerberg is a hypocrite too.

    Zuckerberg ‘likes’ Keystone XL pipeline
    http://business.financialpost.com/2013/05/02/zuckerberg-likes-keystone-xl/?__lsa=dbd5-11c9

  8. Ben Franklin, compliments to you for opening an Editor’s account at Wikipedia. I’ve belatedly replied to your comment on the “Virus” thread:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/05/virus/#comment-408495

    Yes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution looks like another Wikipedia page that has been deliberately “scrubbed”.

  9. April Showers

    18 May, 2013 - 3:22 pm

    Cameron is now holding two tigers by the tail – the EU and the Scottish referenda.

    Tory co-chairman Lord Feldman denies ‘swivel-eyed loon slur’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22579346

    Will the Guardian and Telegraph retract? Farage apparently knows who made the remark.

    Then there’s the attack on Farage in Edinburgh and a suggestion that it was allowed to happen. This is Galloway:

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1368885651.html

  10. @April Showers

    Having just read Galloway’s interview all I can say is “total shite”!

    An anti-English crowd? Crap. Anti-Farage and anti-UKIP policies, yes; anti-English, no.

    And then he had the unadultered nerve to call UKIP the third party in UK politics. Since when ? Since they took a claimed 23% in the shires and a few urban areas of England in council elections. This doesn’t yet add up to the third party in Britain.

    Why would the BBC want Galloway’s uniquely biased and largely untruthful description of events and point of view, though?

    I think we all know the answer to that.

  11. doug scorgie

    18 May, 2013 - 4:50 pm

    Israel paying internet workers to edit on-line content like, as in this example Wikipedia

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-x2DFnGI9Ac

  12. “An anti-English crowd? Crap. Anti-Farage and anti-UKIP policies, yes; anti-English, no.”

    You have evidence?

    “And then he had the unadultered nerve to call UKIP the third party in UK politics. Since when ? Since they took a claimed 23% in the shires and a few urban areas of England in council elections. This doesn’t yet add up to the third party in Britain.”

    But a YouGov poll commissioned by the Sun showed UKIP had 9% support while LibDems only had 8%.

    I think Galloway has a valid point, thuggery and bullying has no place in British politics. When a Nationalist party starts sending out thugs to threaten and intimidate the opposition it has all the hallmarks of 1930s Germany.

  13. Fred,

    Unfortunately you have overlooked the point – as have the media – that the group demonstrating are quite specifically opposed to the SNP. They view it as too conservative. You, like the media, substantially exaggerate the level of violence involved.

  14. @Fred

    But a YouGov poll commissioned by the Sun showed UKIP had 9% support while LibDems only had 8%.

    It’s a poll … I’ll be prepared to admit UKIP is the third party in British politics when the election results are in for 2015.

    I think Galloway has a valid point, thuggery and bullying has no place in British politics. When a Nationalist party starts sending out thugs to threaten and intimidate the opposition it has all the hallmarks of 1930s Germany.

    Did you look at all the broadcast footage of the meeting inside the pub as well as outside? Thought not.

    There were no thugs present. They were students … outside they were vociferous, argumentative, a bit noisy and they made fun of Farage but there were no apparent threats to the person. They merely made clear that they disagreed with UKIP policies. That is called freedom of speech.

    Incidentally, the person who organised the demonstration claimed on Newsnight that a group of them had tried in the pub to engage in a dialogue with Farage but that he refused to answer their questions and insulted a female member of their company. Television footage taken in the pub appears to back up their claims for it showed that the students were attempting to talk to Farage in an non-agressive manner.

    Those taking part in the demonstration were not members of the SNP but belonged to a loose grouping of left-wing independentists. They were not sent out by the SNP who had absolutely nothing to do with the demonstration.

    Finally, you speak of “opposition” … UKIP? … In Scotland? … In Farage’s dreams!

  15. technicolour

    18 May, 2013 - 5:36 pm

    (passing through in a rush): cheers, Indigo

  16. “When a Nationalist party starts sending out thugs to threaten and intimidate the opposition it has all the hallmarks of 1930s Germany.”

    Should this ever happen – and do let us know if it does – you might (just then) be right, as is a stopped clock sometimes. Until then it is all falling rocks in the empty canyons of your mind. Red Fred on top is simpleton orange Billy underneath, and has the cheek to talk of threats and intimidation, when his lot wrote the book, flog the T-shirts. It has come as no surprise to learn that many of what were called Scots-Irish, hailed actually from Northumberland, Cumbria and Durham, these places becoming so much the better, relieved by the departure of so many troublemaking supremacist barbarians.

    Unoriginal, unimaginative unionist smear tactics just don’t cut it any more Fred.

    You are George Foulkes/George Galloway/Oxymoron-5 and I claim my x pairs of union flag pants.

    BritNat lectures on nationalism –oh the irony, what a clueless sycophantic hypocrite!

    Your sorry addition to the glut of toxic mainstream media claptrap and mendacious lying, the tide of suppurating spin, is superfluous, like you.

    Do fuck off Fred, take your broken records with you.

  17. “Unfortunately you have overlooked the point – as have the media – that the group demonstrating are quite specifically opposed to the SNP. They view it as too conservative. You, like the media, substantially exaggerate the level of violence involved.”

    So are you saying that the protesters weren’t members of the Radical Independence Campaign after all?

  18. “It’s a poll … I’ll be prepared to admit UKIP is the third party in British politics when the election results are in for 2015.”

    Well I wouldn’t want to deny you your little foibles so long as you accept that George was basing his statement on the current data.

    “Incidentally, the person who organised the demonstration claimed on Newsnight that a group of them had tried in the pub to engage in a dialogue with Farage but that he refused to answer their questions and insulted a female member of their company. Television footage taken in the pub appears to back up their claims for it showed that the students were attempting to talk to Farage in an non-agressive manner. ”

    Which is why one of them has been charged with breach of the peace and another with assault I suppose.

  19. “Do fuck off Fred, take your broken records with you.”

    Did you have any comment on the disgraceful events in Edinburgh or did you just decide hurling a few insults would further the discussion?

  20. Yeah like that Gandhi bloke, he was thrown into jail.

    Farage came for a publicity stunt, he got one rather not to his liking. That’ll teach him.

    Crocodile tears, the sympathy string it seems is the only shot let in the unionist playbook.

    Seems he’s pocketed over £2 million quid in his MEP job, alright for some.

    Loved this: http://norrie.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/farage-a-tad-premature/

  21. April Showers

    18 May, 2013 - 6:40 pm

    Indigo Just because I posted that please don’t think I support Farage or UKIP. I belong to no political party. Farage feeds on publicity like all the others.

    ~~~

    I was pulling out grasses from amongst a bed of lily of the valley today. The scent was overpowering although there were no bees at all to be seen. I was reminded that my parents married on this day in 1939 and that my mother is seen in the photo carrying a posy of lily of the valley. I wonder if they knew that war was coming within four months?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_World_War_II_(1939)11

  22. Craig says, “You, like the media, substantially exaggerate the level of violence involved.”

    I saw UKIP MEP Roger Helmer on Channel 4 last night talking darkly about “anti-democratic shouting of slogans”. Made me hoot. I gathered from Ch4 report that the protestors were almost all students. When did students NOT shout slogans? And why shouldn’t they?

  23. @Fred

    Firstly:
    “… so long as you accept that George was basing his statement on the current data”.

    What data? George is basing his statement on what he thinks is in George’s interests to say. As he always does.

    Secondly:
    Which is why one of them has been charged with breach of the peace and another with assault I suppose.

    There were around 100 protesters … 2 charged with minor offences makes 2% … hardly indicative of the crowd of thugs and bullies that you were claiming. The more serious of the minor charges, assault, concerned the pouring a can of coca-cola over the head of Lord Monckton, UKIP’s President in Scotland. The person charged, Mike Shaw, a student, is English – and proud of it, he says.
    The other, as you say, was breach of the peace. Here’s the definition of Breach of the Peace under Scots law.

    “The Scots law definition of a breach of the peace is “conduct severe enough to cause alarm to ordinary people and threaten serious disturbance to the community.[8]”
    Breach of the peace can include, but is not limited to, any riotous behaviours (which includes ‘rowdiness’ or ‘brawling’) and any disorderly behaviour. This behaviour doesn’t have to be noisy but still of a nature that would cause concern to other people.
    To prove a Breach of the Peace the most important things to prove is that someone was Alarmed, Annoyed or Disturbed by the incident.
    This offence can take place anywhere i.e. a house, a public street, a private office or any public space”.

    Neither of these offenses has “the hallmarks of 1930s Germany” and you should hang your head in shame for this remark.

  24. Donald MacDonald

    18 May, 2013 - 7:29 pm

    Fred need to take his bowler hat off for a bit, it’s slipped down over his ears and eyes.

    Labourites don’t like the fact that they’re not the Left anymore, and the bowler hat and sash types don’t like their empire being taken away.

    Bit sore, eh?

  25. @April Showers

    I didn’t for one nano-second think you supported Farage or his party! I should have said something to you when I first posted but I read Galloway’s statement and got a little hot under the collar …

    Your politics are probably like mine … injustice and bigotry in whatever form anger me … politicians don’t solve this. They never have. You can’t look to them for answers – they’re not interested no matter which political persuasion they claim.

    Recently I saw a quote from the Torah that I liked but I wish I knew how to put it into practice … Tikkun olam; essentially, “go out and heal the world”.

    On the 1st. May in France all women, female partners, wives etc. are presented, first thing in the morning, with a bunch of lily of the valley by their husbands and/or men in their family. I get mine in a small glass of water on the dining table with a pot of coffee made and brioche, butter and apricot jam! … There’s something about lily of the valley …

  26. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    18 May, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    This thread has gone off-topic and degenerated into a slanging match centering on Nigel Farage/UKIP’s meeting in Scotland.

    Three guesses as to the identity of the commenter who kicked off this disruption and side-tracking……

    Hint : 15h22 today.

    A mere 3 hrs and 22 mins after Craig posted.

  27. “[…] The more serious of the minor charges, assault, concerned the pouring a can of coca-cola over the head of Lord Monckton, UKIP’s President in Scotland”

    If true this just gets funnier and funnier; and some wag has now set it to music.

    “LAMENT on the predicament of the member of the European Parliament for South East England, Mr. Nigel Paul Farage, upon alighting in Auld Reikie, one May afternoon”

    http://logicsrock.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/the-blue-blanket-flies-again.html

  28. “What data?”

    The YouGove poll I told you about. Ignore it if you want but that is the current data so George is stating facts and you are the one fantasising. Was a time I wouldn’t have believed a party like the SNP could ever get into power, they hardly had an MP in Parliament from the end of WWII till they found that damned oil but people have their weaknesses and there will always be people like Salmond and Farage to take advantage of them. LibDem popularity has fallen fast since they sold out to the Tories, UKIP popularity is rising fast mainly by default, all the other parties are shit as well.

    You can play down the events in Edinburgh all you want but I think any rational person would agree that that is not the way forward for UK politics, everyone, no matter how odious he is must be allowed to campaign without harassment. UKIP have declared their intention to field a candidate in the Aberdeen Donside by-election and even though they won’t win they could well take votes from the SNP. No politician should be prevented from campaigning by the intimidation of a mob.

  29. “Fred need to take his bowler hat off for a bit, it’s slipped down over his ears and eyes.”

    Anyone reading this forum could get the impression all Nationalists are obnoxious little shits who are totally devoid of rational argument so just hurl ad hominem comments.

    The leader of a main UK political party goes to Edinburgh to campaign for a by-election and is shouted down harassed and intimidated by Nationalist Black Shirts and anyone who points out that this certainly is not democracy gets abuse thrown at them by Nationalist Black Shirts.

  30. @Fred

    “What data?”

    “The YouGove poll I told you about. Ignore it if you want but that is the current data so George is stating facts and you are the one fantasising”.

    I’d like to remind you what Galloway said:

    That Farage’s barracking was, “[the] shape of things to come. It can only cause hatred between English and Scottish people.”

    That it was, “pure embarrassment for Scotland”.

    That he held, “no candle for Nigel Farage but if leaders of democratic parties with substantial support are to be driven out of Scotland under police protection, it’s not going to be much of an advertisement for visitors and investors”.

    That, “The whole event had a very anti-English character, it was very ugly. The language and behaviour of the protesters and the pathetic response of the police, who couldn’t even secure a press event held by the third party of the state, doesn’t say much for Scotland if it wishes to become independent”.

    That, “This kind of roughhouse is only justified against fascist leaders, and Farage is definitely not a fascist.”

    That, “the behaviour of the protesters brought shame on Scotland. Farage represents a lot of people in Britain. I wish it were not so but this is a democracy. Who’s next? If I hold a meeting in Edinburgh is that going to happen to me just because I don’t support Scottish independence? Alex Salmond has to make a clear an unequivocal condemnation of it and he hasn’t. He feeds on this acrimony on a national basis, on the basis of a border.”

    Now, I don’t know about you but I can find not one word in that statement of Galloway’s that says anything about a YouGov poll that makes UKIP the third party in Britain.

    I suggest that if you are going to debate on this site or any other that you first learn how to debate logically and second – don’t treat those with whom you are debating as fools.

  31. @Fred

    And please desist with your misplaced WWII fascist vocabulary … it’s an insult to the victims of that war.

  32. “Now, I don’t know about you but I can find not one word in that statement of Galloway’s that says anything about a YouGov poll that makes UKIP the third party in Britain.”

    He said UKIP was the third party in British politics, you said he was talking shite, the YouGov poll says he wasn’t.

    Is that logical enough for you?

    There is a new poll out today, a ComRes poll for the Independent, they have UKIP on 19% and Lib Dems on 8%.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

    Logic is what the numbers say, not what you want to believe.

  33. “And please desist with your misplaced WWII fascist vocabulary … it’s an insult to the victims of that war.”

    Like Arthur Donaldson?

  34. @Fred

    Never let it be said that I can’t admit error … when I said that there was no word in Galloway’s statement about UKIP’s third place in the British political parties.

    I misread. There was.

    The rest of his statement is still shite.

  35. April Showers

    18 May, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    Mr Maduro’s election win has been verified.

    Bad luck Capriles or should I say Radonski which will inflame the RI…again.

    ‘Zero error’ in Venezuelan poll results
    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/133007

    and off topic too!

  36. @April Showers

    Off topic? So what. It seems all the threads go off topic for one reason or another.

    Do I have to present my excuses to the others who may have wished to post this evening? Don’t answer that … I may feel so embarrassed that I never come back!

    I enjoyed … sometimes like an argument.

    There’s a quote about Scots written by some 14th or 15th century Frenchman that says, “Les Ecossais n’aiment point la paix”.

    Sometimes still true today, I’m afraid!

  37. “The rest of his statement is still shite.”

    I’m not exactly a member of the George Galloway fan club but he is remarkably well informed about a lot of things and the seedier side of Scottish politics is one of them.

    Hard to think of anyone better placed to give an opinion.

  38. Donald MacDonald

    18 May, 2013 - 9:45 pm

    Yeah, Goggs is well-placed; ex-Labour, the dirtiest, most in-bred party of the lot.

    Black shirts, Fred? Really, you are losing it, aren’t you.

    In the seventies, when I was a leftie student, we chased the NF out of Edinburgh and one lad banjaxed the heid bummer with a ‘No Nazis’ placard. This was a sewing bee in comparison.

    But it suits your agenda to big it up. Like it suited von Papen to big up wee Adolf.

    Farage has bandied about the ‘N’ word and said that the ‘nig-nogs’ would never vote UKIP. He’s a very presentable face of a very dark underbelly indeed.

    Be careful. They’re smarter than you.

  39. On Arthur Donaldson, nothing new under the sun. Fred quite happy with the idea of arbitary contrived arrest, but not with some spirited heckling. Guy Liddell too! the Fifth man, or was it the Sixth if you count Hollis, or Seventh if you count Lord Trend. Spooks abound.

    This is a must read:

    http://the-universality-of-cheese.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/grand-old-man-of-scottish-nationalism.html

    You obviously aren’t thick Fred, so you are simply being disingenous.

    This conversation is closed.

  40. catherine podojil

    18 May, 2013 - 10:08 pm

    Funny Cameron bit, visiting Obama, on Jon Stewart’s Daily show earlier this week. Check it out. He really is stone-faced (literally, not drunkenly, though who knows?)

  41. “Black shirts, Fred? Really, you are losing it, aren’t you.”

    No, that’s what they call people who bully and intimidate political opponents. It’s wrong, as who does it and to who they are doing it to it is wrong.

    When it is fanatical Nationalists doing it it is even more worrying. The votes of rational people have to be split between a number of parties don’t see why the votes of fanatics shouldn’t be too.

    Did you have a reliable source for your quote by the way?

  42. Fred….

    “fanatical Nationalists”. err no. Just naughty public schoolboys from Harrow and Marlboro school in England. Oh and trustees of Edinburgh University students association on £18K a year. Mike Shaw and Mr Crema.

  43. “the world’s most carefully manicured Wikipedia entry.”

    The Labour Friends of Israel page is a strong contender. Try adding anything that isn’t a paraphrase of their own website and watch it revert within minutes.

  44. Donald MacDonald

    18 May, 2013 - 11:12 pm

    http://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/theres-something-about-ukip.pdf

    There you go. Of course, this won’t be forensic enough for you. Or something. Because your mind is made up. Like most lefties of the Old School, you are enraged by the left’s drift to the right, and the fact you can do nothing about it.

    And you hate being outflanked on the left. And you have been.

    Bye, Fred.

  45. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 May, 2013 - 11:24 pm

    Clark @ 3:09- Yes Clark. Iamnotatechie should be my nym. I will attempt to follow your instruction.

  46. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 May, 2013 - 11:29 pm

    Clark; I’ve been meaning to ask; Does your avatar have some significance for you? It looks like a coronal mass ejection, or Cameron’s profile. BUMP!

  47. “There you go. Of course, this won’t be forensic enough for you. Or something. Because your mind is made up.”

    Actually it isn’t. I asked because on Wikiquotes it is disputed. AFAICS there is no reliable evidence either way, he might have said it, he might not, who knows.

    But please feel free to carry on believing it if it makes you happy.

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    18 May, 2013 – 7:49 pm

    “This thread has gone off-topic and degenerated into a slanging match centering on Nigel Farage/UKIP’s meeting in Scotland.”

    I agree but up to now, and including now, you have made no contribution to the topic in question and Craig himself went off topic when answering Fred:

    Craig
    18 May, 2013 – 5:21 pm

    Fred,

    “Unfortunately you have overlooked the point – as have the media – that the group demonstrating are quite specifically opposed to the SNP. They view it as too conservative. You, like the media, substantially exaggerate the level of violence involved.”

    I don’t think there is anything wrong with introducing an off topic subject provided it is not designed to disrupt the discussion of the original topic.

    Anyway, what have you got to say about Alisher Usmanov?

  49. It’s slightly off topic, but Farrage got what he wanted, and will be pleased at the success of his little publicity stunt. I’m fairly sure all right wing parties are run by the security services anyway, so I doubt Farrage was in any real danger. Anyway, it looked like a bit of old fashioned street abuse, which, frankly, we need more of. Violence, no, abuse, yes. These people are, in the main, scoundrels, and neoliberal hard-hats, and if they don’t like it, they can fuck off to a quieter gig in the city, the knobbers.

    And breathe. Farrage really is an oily squid though isn’t he? If he had joined Nu Lab, of course, the media classes would just adore him.

  50. technicolour

    19 May, 2013 - 2:12 am

    Yeah, let’s not all look at UKIP’s actual policies. Bootcamps, anyone? Removal of workers’ protections? Massive extra spending on defence against whom because why not?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NCV2vmQT_4

  51. Here is http://www.forbes.com/profile/alisher-usmanov/

    Notice the hash (#) bollocks?

    The ‘politics of envy’ needs a power league. Drug-like orgasmic pleasures with keeping score and advancing position. Of course a measure of success and status.

    At what cost to mother Earth? The Casino capitalism model has infinite resources compounded by today’s desire to play ‘rob Peter to pay Paul’ or steal from the public to pay the plush.

    This neo-liberal extravaganza keeps us arguing, quarreling and wrangling. Habba has attended…

    While we cross swords the private finance initiative (PFI) steals our assets and services.

    For your pleasure NIGEL ‘FROMAGE’ MELTS UNDER PRESSURE: UKIP? UFLOP.

    http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/?blogsub=confirming#subscribe-blog

    Thanks Kerry-Anne we love you.

  52. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 5:45 am

    I like the Nigel Fromage handle Mark!

    I also like Kerry Anne Mendoza. Here she is on the Limp Ics. She and 180 others were kettled and arrested for protesting on the opening day.
    Double Standards
    Olympic security contractor G4s tips off Wikileaks about extraordinary rendition. We ask US presidential contender Mitt Romney; why he is becoming a Nazi. We also talk to Kerry Anne Mendoza, spokesperson from “Our Olympics” a campaign group dedicated to highlighting the hijack of London 2012 by capitalist corporate interest, about why London 2012 Olympics is not our Olympics. These and much more are all reviewed in this edition of Double Standards with Afshin Rattansi.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpkJjSwK7wY 12 mins in.

  53. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 6:11 am

    Nigel Farage’s activity on Company Check. Details are on
    http://companycheck.co.uk/director/904320201/MR-NIGEL-PAUL-FARAGE

    UNITED KINGDOM INDEPENDENCE PARTY LIMITED Active 07/11/2011 –
    THORN IN THE SIDE LIMITED Active 27/05/2011 –
    FARAGE LIMITED Operating under Voluntary Arrangement 26/10/2004 06/02/2011
    FARAGE LIMITED Operating under Voluntary Arrangement 06/02/2003 06/02/2006
    HAWKHURST CONSULTANTS LIMITED Dissolved 21/05/1997 –
    FARAGE FUTURES LIMITED Dissolved 25/02/1994 –

    His father is Guy Justus Oscar Farage. He was a stockbroker and is now retired according to an Independent article.

    http://companycheck.co.uk/director/914247547/MR-GUY-JUSTUS-OSCAR-FARAGE#anchor-current-OC335400

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-politicians-govern-through-fear-6297949.html

  54. “Thanks Kerry-Anne we love you.”

    I think all the interview shows is the disgusting pro Nationalist bias on the part of the BBC.

    No, a bunch of thugs in Edinburgh do not decide what the people of Scotland want.

    “There’s a problem for you though, isn’t there, because the Scottish electorate clearly doesn’t see you as being part of the political debate in Scotland. In effect, what the overwhelming message from yesterday’s event in Edinburgh seemed to be was that your political philosophy is an alien political philosophy here in Scotland.”

    So the Nationalist thugs and state media are dictating what the people of Scotland want and what the people of Scotland can have when it comes to political parties.

    All the events showed was that the Nationalists are scared of losing votes to the SNP.

  55. That should of course be UKIP.

    Still half asleep.

  56. Ben, it might be the sun, but it could also be a fat dude in a nightclub.
    I couldn’t decide whether the last one was a slug or a sniper’s rifle.

  57. Fascinating info April Showers @6:11 am. Have you managed to uncover any Jewry in the bloodlines?

  58. “RACIST SCUM!”, they chant, with not a black or brown face amongst them.

    Priceless.

  59. What a miserable little pamphlet being distributed by Richard Corbett, MEP, preying on all the usual overbown fears about racism and homophobia in the UKIP ranks. I note that in Section One, subheaded “They are openly waythist”, it is alleged that Peter Watson, UKIP Chairman North Dorset, once sent an email in which he referred to “Jewish merchant bankers”. Shock, horror! I’m sure he’d fit right in around here then!

  60. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 9:56 am

    I think we can see where Giles is coming from and that he has a fixation with the J word. I was looking up Farage’s directorships and gave the details.

    I expect Giles knows that there is a UKIP Friends of Israel and another for Palestine.

    We will see if Farage turns out to be a nine day wonder. Vine on Marr has has Redwood, Hunt and Mandelson on speaking about EU membership from their known positions.

    The latter’s current register of interests.
    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-mandelson/500

    Willbury Ltd to whom he remits his speaking fees belongs to him and his partner I believe. Note the assets value.

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07265891/WILLBURY-LIMITED#people-tab

    ‘The combined cash at bank value for all of Peter’s current businesses is £443,623, with a combined assets value of £1,373,554 and liabilities of £230,887.’

    ‘The combined cash at bank value for all of Reinaldo’s current businesses is £194,778, with a combined assets value of £669,951 and liabilities of £87,263.’

  61. Sofia Zabolotna-Habbercake

    19 May, 2013 - 10:10 am

    Fred ( Yesterday 8 11pm)

    Thanks. Yes,I get it now, “Nationalist Black Shirts” for sure! Known to be willing and able to pour sugary drinks and use their vocal chords. I am truly shocked. Now what sane person would not fear for the future of an independent Scotland?

    These dangerous thugs must be tackled before the inevitable “Night of the Long Drinks”.

    Have you considered teaming up with Dad. That would be awesome.

  62. Sofia Zabolotna-Habbercake

    19 May, 2013 - 10:14 am

    Dad!

    Spot the missing “?”.

  63. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 10:17 am

    A poem for Whit Sunday when it WAS a holiday and before Heath replaced it with the ‘Spring Bank Holiday’ in 1971. We had decimalisation that year too and two years later he entered us into the EEC/Common Market.

    Whitsun

    This is not what I meant:
    Stucco arches, the banked rocks sunning in rows,
    Bald eyes or petrified eggs,
    Grownups coffined in stockings and jackets,
    Lard-pale, sipping the thin
    Air like a medicine.

    The stopped horse on his chromium pole
    Stares through us; his hooves chew the breeze.
    Your shirt of crisp linen
    Bloats like a spinnaker. Hat brims
    Deflect the watery dazzle; the people idle
    As if in hospital.

    I can smell the salt, all right.
    At our feet, the weed-moustachioed sea
    Exhibits its glaucous silks,
    Bowing and truckling like an old-school oriental.
    You’re no happier than I about it.
    A policeman points out a vacant cliff

    Green as a pool table, where cabbage butterflies
    Peel off to sea as gulls do,
    And we picnic in the death-stench of a hawthorn.
    The waves pulse like hearts.
    Beached under the spumy blooms, we lie
    Sea-sick and fever-dry.

    Sylvia Plath

  64. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 10:31 am

    Sophia Did you watch much of the Eurovision Song Contest last night? You seem to have changed your name to a more European sounding hybrid. :)

    I thought Romania’s entry was the funniest and the Swedish presenter displayed some dry self-deprecating humour. The worst were the presenters giving the results from each country. They think they have become stars and milk it for all that they can.

    Whatever does it all cost considering the state of the economies in Europe?

  65. “What a miserable little pamphlet being distributed by Richard Corbett, MEP, preying on all the usual overbown fears about racism and homophobia in the UKIP ranks. I note that in Section One, subheaded “They are openly waythist”, it is alleged that Peter Watson, UKIP Chairman North Dorset, once sent an email in which he referred to “Jewish merchant bankers”. Shock, horror! I’m sure he’d fit right in around here then!”

    The policies of the UKIP, like the policies of the SNP, are not in themselves racist.

    The policies of the UKIP, like the policies of the SNP, will tend to attract followers who are racist. Any Nationalist party will attract racist followers, that is the nature of Nationalism.

    I don’t see that much difference between the SNP and UKIP, I think they would appeal to the same voters. Which is, of course, why the heavy mob were sent in.

  66. ” I expect Giles knows that there is a UKIP Friends of Israel and another for Palestine.”

    Yes, Giles does know as it was he who pointed to the latter after a claim was made that the UKIP is a Zionist organization for having a facebook page and a small office in South Molton for ‘Friends of Israel’! (ps, Why does Her Maj always talk to others indirectly in this majesterial manner of hers?)

    Where are you going with these cut-and-pastes from Company Check, Mary? If we want to check the finances of Mandelsohn or Reinaldo then we can do so ourselves, just as we can use Wikipedia and the BBC without your assistance.

  67. “Whatever does it all cost considering the state of the economies in Europe?”

    A lot less than membership of the EU!

  68. Sofia Zabolotna-Habbercake

    19 May, 2013 - 10:50 am

    No, April, I don’t even know who won! But I love the idea of Europeans, singing, instead of shooting, at each other. Did they say which sides had their music provided by the NATO / Arab Despot Studio?*

    Regarding my change of name. Who wouldn’t be enchanted to know her dad had been killed by a drunken moose, even it it did later transpire that the whole thing had been faked by the FBD? With my name-change I honour him.

    *(Clue: The ones who made the biggest bangs.)

  69. ‘Everyone’ now knows that the Zionist businessman Andrew Feldman, who ‘raised funds’ for David Cameron’s campaign for the Tory leadership, is the first Tory chairman to have his own office in 10 Downing Street.

    Can someone tell me when that fact first became public?

  70. “English Knight”, you are well-versed in the language of the English antisemite!

    I have been doing some research and the timing of all your contributions falls within the hour-long lunch break alloted to low-level clerks at the Likud Party HQ, Metzudat Ze’ev, 38 King George’s St., Tel Aviv, Israel !

    Coincidence? I don’t think so !!!

  71. “Can someone tell me when that fact first became public?”

    When Sam complained of lack of wardrobe space?

  72. What we need now is a long and monotonous diatribe from “Fedup” about ziofuckwitistan and aforementioned said ziofuckwits as alluded to by previously described and aforementioned ziofuckwits.

  73. Thanks for that link to the BBC’s 2002 FCO link, someone, it completely exonerates Craig and makes the FCO look like torturers who knew what was going on.

    So did J.Straw and D. Milliband.

    Whilst the media is talking of ‘swivel eyed loons’ at each other throat, a claim that most definitely reflects the state of Norfolk County Council, Ed Milliped is talking of how he will make us all see, meaning he will let us all view how many taxes are lost to this country by multinationals who want to sell here, but don’t want to pay taxes at all, off course this is knob rotting poppycock, he will be told what to do.

    Alisher Usmanov is now established in this country and is hob nobbing with the noblesse oblique, improving his standing with the establishment.

    I would not shed a tear if he is the next target of this Russian mafia war that is raging in the gated ghettos of Sussex and London.

  74. @Giles – so you don’t know? I suspect the office fact has only been surfaced recently. He’ll stay, I reckon. Those who are trying to damage the poor soul may not. No need for silly jokes.

  75. A different subject, yet tangentially related, is the scandal of Hague slapping whatsits on the inquest into the death of Alexander Litvinenko. This means that the only two questions of real import cannot even be asked. Then the judge in charge of the inquest, accepting that these public immunity orders (aka censorship aka state interference in a murder investigation and the judicial process) will scupper his inquiry, render it meaningless, suggested instead a public inquiry where some of the evidence would be held in private (so, a not-so-public inquiry, then).

    So, it seems that it’s absolutely fine allegedly for a foreign state to murder someone in broad daylight on the streets of London in full view of the world using radiological weapons and to get away with it.

    Russia and Britain both will have very dirty secrets they don’t want aired in any way and that is likely to be why Hague has slapped these orders on the inquiry. A deal will have been struck behind closed doors. Litvinenko was a “traitor” to Russia and a disposable asset to Britain. And the death of that dubious character, Berezovsky, shortly before the inquest was due to begin? Suicide, or murder? He knew an awaful lot abotu the SIS (and FSB) and was looking like he needed money. Therefore, was he seen as a potential liability?

    Men-in-bags, men hung from shower rails, men given Hiroshima in their tea. It really is stranger than fiction.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/17/litvinenko-inquest-crucial-evidence-secret

  76. “Men-in-bags, men hung from shower rails, men given Hiroshima in their tea. It really is stranger than fiction.”

    One writer tried to make sense of it all using fiction, but I think it all became so difficult that he eventually gave up.

    http://shatasm.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

  77. As regards UKIP and the nature of the beast a friend posted this this morning.

    “UKIP’s leader of Lincs Council Chris Pain, the party’s East Midlands regional chairman, wrote: ‘Have you noticed that if you rearrange the letters in ‘illegal immigrants’, and add just a few more letters, it spells, ‘Go home you free-loading, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, baby-making, non-English-speaking ********* and take those other hairy-faced, sandalwearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-********, raghead ******** with you.’

    “… Peter Entwistle, party chairman in Bury, Greater Manchester, labelled President Barack Obama a Muslim, writing: ‘I bet he’s a closet ‘Imam’ as well! If I ever see him on a Greyhound bus wearing a rucksack, I’m getting off!!’

    “The party’s deputy chairman in Scotland, Misty Thackeray, ‘liked’ a Facebook group claiming ‘paedophilia is part of Islamic tradition’. He also praised far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders, a self-confessed “hater of Islam”. Recommending Mr Wilders’ new book, he said: ‘Geert is great …(peace be upon him.. lol) ..!’

    “Meanwhile Tiggs Keywood-Wainwright, a UKIP councillor in Boston, Lincs, complained about mosques being built in “quintessentially English” Cambridge. ‘Is nowhere sacred for the Brits in Britain any more?’ she wrote. ‘Bottom line is we have too many muslims in this country!'”

  78. What we need now is a long and monotonous diatribe from “Fedup” about ziofuckwitistan and aforementioned said ziofuckwits as alluded to by previously described and aforementioned ziofuckwits.

    A ziofuckwit brain fart; transliterated through bothering millions of electrons in a bollocksy attempt at baiting.

    I don’t do ziofuckwits!

  79. All in it together – The Truth about PFI

    http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/05/14/all-in-it-together-how-government-is-handing-ownership-of-our-schools-and-hospitals-to-banks/

    The cost of Britain’s controversial private finance initiative will continue to soar for another five years and end up costing taxpayers more than £300bn, according to a Guardian analysis of contracts that were sanctioned by the Treasury.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jul/05/pfi-cost-300bn

  80. Another internationally friendly UK contingent of councillors, this time in Lincoln. How wise the Scottish protesters were at seeing through the thin veneer of Nigel Farage’s human face of racism!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/18/ukip-councillors-anti-racism-pledge-lincoln-_n_3297890.html

  81. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    Suhayl I agree with you and raised the matter twice yesterday on the Plus Ca Change thread.

    A reply came:

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    18 May, 2013 – 4:27 pm

    “Only you can tell the truth to his widow and the British public on whose soil this murder was committed.”

    Do you think the British public gives a monkey’s who killed him?

    ~~~~
    He or she should know that ‘where the law ends, tyranny begins’, to paraphrase John Locke.

    It is a serious matter. There has been no progress either into the inquest for Berezovsky, one time employer of Litvinenko, which opened at the end of March.

  82. Men-in-bags, men hung from shower rails, men given Hiroshima in their tea. It really is stranger than fiction.

    Well said Suhayl, there is a history of men in strange places, we must not forget the forlorn banker hanging under a London Bridge.

    O/T The swivel eyed loons are out in force in Norfolk as well. After loosing the overall majority on NCC and having their leader Bill Borrett rejected by all other parties, in the absence of any other candidate.

    Now into this limbo steps NCC’s legal department, trying to sort out the committee representation for the forthcoming period of council as follow below.

    I note the standards and audit committees have more conservatives than other groups combined.

    http://www.norfolk.gov.uk/view/council240513item5pdf

    a fail safe, should they be unable to reach decisions.

    Cllr. Borrett, ex leader of NCC, who has still not fallen on his sword, is deeply implicated in the decision to grant Cory Wherelabrator a contract, without any outlying planning permission. The inquiry has just finished with all the usual summing up by the various parties and a decision is expected in September…

    The contract of this proposal, which has never been discussed or debated by full council, has been heavily deducted and despite Norfolk now having a more balanced political make up, is being kept secret from all and sundry, whether they are lawyers, elected councillors or anybody else in a responsible position, an imposed development with a secret contract, all allowed by our sloganising hopefuls, the direct result of two speed dating parties, resulting in a millionaires cabinet of newbies and some swivel eyed loon supporters, according to Lordy tawdry Feldman.

    Norfolk taxpayer paying for the Kings Lynn inquiry, some of the proposers legal costs, for an expensive ‘not value for money’ PFI, so that this expensive monstrosity from the 1970’s can be forced upon over 65.000 who said NO to it, in short we pay for everything.

    All this listening to the public does not really happen, its all imposition, past our real needs, by some vested interest groups who have long made these decisions to enforce EFW plants, over capacity or not.

    What Norfolk and our country needs are plants which can deal with household and municipal waste, with hardly any emissions, some products consumers want, which closes the waste cycle by recycling our waste. We also need tragets and gaols for industry and get away from the notion that business waste is outside this agreement. If we want to create jobs in this country, we need to choose recycling, because its a win win policy creating five times more jobs than incineration.

    Further, we have to establish landfill mining and turn the waste into gas, plasmaroc, compost, metals with one of these.
    http://www.advancedplasmapower.com/solutions/process-overview/
    Now, what a novel idea I hear you say, a plant with application in China, never mind Belgium, Europes best recycler, is not much promoted or supported by our local authorities? How come that these so called business types don’t see the advantages?

    Could it be that they have their noses too far up the brown backsides of vested company interests? or their pockets full of brown envelopes.

    Unless we start withholding our taxes from these people nothing will change.

  83. You can tell the Establishment is rattled by the desperate attempts to smear the UKIP. Tory HQ even appointed a team of junior researches to trawl through the entire internet history of every Ukipper in order to find dirt. And, as would be the case with any large grouping of people, they found it.

    The dirt nearly always centres on racism and homophobia, because to the media and political classes, these are the two cardinal sins. And many of the commenters on this blog are right-on with them. It fits with the preferred narrative, that a party opposed to mass-immigration is a racist party, that those opposed to gay marriage (or equal marriage, as it now called) are homophobes.

    I wouldn’t condone any of the remarks quoted by John Goss above, except perhaps the last, but it seems just to click ‘like’ on a Facebook page can condemn you, and to cobble together a few remarks made by a few individuals among many thousands of people can condemn an entire party.

  84. You don’t disappoint, Fedup!

  85. Off Topic:

    http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/after-dark-out-of-bounds/

    The exchange between Tony Benn and the CIA (fucktard) is brilliant.

  86. Giles at 2.28. “I wouldn’t condone any of the remarks quoted by John Goss above, except perhaps the last, but it seems just to click ‘like’ on a Facebook page can condemn you, and to cobble together a few remarks made by a few individuals among many thousands of people can condemn an entire party.”

    Try this if you can’t take my word for it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/19/ukip-councillors-racist-comments_n_3301138.html

  87. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 3:58 pm

    Police spies stole identities of dead children
    Exclusive: Undercover officers created aliases based on details found in birth and death records, Guardian investigation reveals
    Paul Lewis and Rob Evans
    The Guardian, Sunday 3 February 2013
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/03/police-spies-identities-dead-children?INTCMP=SRCH

    and

    Police spies’ use of dead children’s identities was common, MPs told
    Mick Creedon, who is leading inquiry into 40-year undercover operation, admits police have yet to inform any parents of affected children
    Paul Lewis and Rob Evans
    The Guardian Friday 17 May 2013
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/17/police-spies-dead-children-identities-common

  88. technicolour

    19 May, 2013 - 4:02 pm

    Giles, what would it take for you to *not* vote for a party which has representatives – paid representatives – who are openly hate-filled until monitored, which is in coalition with murderous extremists, and which has been rejected by its own founder for its far-right bigotry, extremism and scare-mongering? The fact that its leader boasts of acquiring at least £2 million of taxpayers’ money in expenses? Expenses which he more recently failed to publish?

  89. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 4:05 pm

    More deceit.

    Former Google UK exec alleges company diddled its taxes

    A former employee of Google UK has alleged the company carried out a massive and “immoral” tax avoidance scheme, cheating us British taxpayers out of hundreds of millions of pounds over the last decade.

    Along with Amazon, Google has recently come under fire for not paying enough tax. Now former exec Barney Jones says Google’s sales staff secured advertising deals almost exclusively in London, rather than in Dublin, where they claimed to be based, The Sunday Times reports (subscription required).

    This contradicts Google VP Matt Brittin’s claim to the Commons Public Accounts Committee that while “a lot of the aspects of selling” ads happened in the London office, the Dublin one was actually closing the deals. (Ireland has a much lower rate of corporation tax — 12.5 per cent, compared to the UK’s 23 per cent — so Google bases its European HQ there.)

    Brittin claimed only 1 per cent of Google’s UK customers were directly sold to by UK staff, but then admitted this accounts for 60 to 70 per cent of its UK revenue.

    http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/former-google-uk-exec-alleges-company-diddled-its-taxes-50011258/

    Eric Schmidt defends Google’s tax affairs following Commons criticism
    Google executive chairman says company accounts comply with international law

    Barry Neild
    guardian.co.uk, Saturday 18 May 2013

    Eric Schmidt said that he understood why Google’s apparent sidestepping on UK taxation had generated controversy.

    Google executive chairman Eric Schmidt has defended his company’s financial affairs after a Commons committee branded the internet giant devious and unethical for sheltering its multibillion-pound profits from UK taxes.

    Writing in the Observer, Schmidt said his company’s accounts were complicated but complied with international taxation treaties that allowed it to pay most of its tax in the United States.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/may/18/eric-schmidt-google-tax?INTCMP=SRCH

  90. technicolour

    19 May, 2013 - 4:08 pm

    (fortunately off to do stuff but could i just ask what on earth has the (old and awful) police spies story got to do with google’s taxes? it’s so random it’s making my eyes cross!)

  91. John Goss,

    I don’t deny it, but he says his Facebook account was hacked. It would be very odd indeed for anyone involved in politics to write something like that, but perhaps he is incredibly stupid. Maybe he was set up, maybe he really is a nasty racist. Who knows? You are very good at playing ‘cui bono?’ Why don’t you apply it here? With Julian Assange and rape allegations it’s all an Establishment put-up job (and I would agree). You see many things as a conspiracy, up to and including 9/11, but you are fully behind the Establishment when it comes to issues such as this. Are you blind to the machinations of the state when they are geared towards things you support, in this case mass-immigration and multiculturalism?

    As for the woman’s remarks, is it to be deemed criminal to hold the opinion that there are too many Muslims in this country, or that Cambridge is losing its English character? If not then why shouldn’t she be entitled to hold that view? Surely we should put it to the test with free and fair debate, and then at the ballot box.

    But what interests me here, John, is that you hold up what she said as a sort of condemnation in itself. You haven’t actually said what you think about why she is wrong, or argued an alternative. You just quote her and that’s it, as if she should be silenced and removed from public life altogether for her opinion. And you do this because you know it has become an established norm to silence any such opinion as “racist”.

  92. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 4:21 pm

    Technicolour
    Variety is the spice of life. I just happened to be looking at the Guardian on line and thought the pieces were of general interest. Anyway they make a change from UKIP, Monsieur Fromage and racism.

  93. Well for a start, Technicolour, I have never said I have voted for the UKIP, but I must add that your comment, “openly hate-filled until monitored”, is utterly reprehensible and typical of you, who would appoint yourself among the arbiters of what does and does not constitute “hate-filled”, no doubt with the aim of silencing that which you consider so.

    As for expenses, as you know vast sums of EU (ie, our) money are ploughed into all sorts of pro-EU propaganda schemes, and therefore it is quite right that a democratically elected party should get what it can and turn that against the tide of taxpayer-funded EU propaganda. That Farage admitted to what he got was to highlight the profligate nature of the beast, but of course this was misrepresented as him admitting to lining his own pockets by an ever-dutiful MSM.

  94. Giles,

    Fair comment. I am very wary of racist groups and groups flying Britishness and the union flag and feel I have been fighting this creeping racism all my life (National Front, BNP). I see UKIP as the natural home of these racist groups, and although UKIP says it will not have members of the BNP in its party, ex-BNP members are already there. It’s a difficult one. I see Farage as having some charisma in the mould of Enoch Powell and Adolph Hitler. So that’s where I stand and why I am vigilant.

  95. TFS,

    Tony Benn is indeed brilliant, but will he receive any condemnation here for his various tax avoidance schemes? :-/

  96. Ok, John. We’ll leave it there.

  97. Off-topic, but likely of interest to Craig and others here. The Electoral Commission is inviting responses to its evidence paper on electoral fraud in the UK. Submissions by 9th August 2013.

    So, now might be a good time to raise concerns you have about postal ballots!

  98. “Fair comment. I am very wary of racist groups and groups flying Britishness and the union flag and feel I have been fighting this creeping racism all my life (National Front, BNP). I see UKIP as the natural home of these racist groups, and although UKIP says it will not have members of the BNP in its party, ex-BNP members are already there. It’s a difficult one. I see Farage as having some charisma in the mould of Enoch Powell and Adolph Hitler. So that’s where I stand and why I am vigilant.”

    You do well to be vigilant but be vigilant also about groups flying Scottishness and the Scots flag. There really isn’t any difference you know.

  99. technicolour

    19 May, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    Tut, Giles, so aggressive. Calm down, sweetie. And don’t leave it up to me – what would you consider ‘hate filled’?

    Otherwise, condoning of troughing on a grand scale, and the use of the word ‘reprehensible’. But I fight for your right to say it all!

    Btw are you suggesting that these people, not just those quoted by J Goss, were spreading the love until monitored and forced to resign?

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-hits-out-at-ukip-after-resignation-1-2936682

    http://news.sky.com/story/1091098/ukip-councillor-eric-kitson-resigns

  100. For time now I have been concerned about the low levels of integrity in the City Of London. So desperate are institutions to attract money from emerging markets that the City has become a haven for criminals. It is very sad.

  101. doug scorgie

    19 May, 2013 - 8:18 pm

    Giles
    19 May, 2013 – 8:58 am

    “RACIST SCUM!”, they chant, with not a black or brown face amongst them.

    “Priceless.”

    Giles one doesn’t have to be black or brown to be a victim of racism.

    Being a white European will do.

  102. @Gary, the City of London has always been a haven for criminals.

    As for these boring stories about ‘Tory split on Europe’ and ‘government versus the media’, they are nothing but pap. Actually these stories strengthen both the government and the media. Stories are always put out for a purpose. It’s all advertising, as Beaverbrook put it.

    UKIP too is a distraction, just something to talk about, just something to keep people believing in the idea that popular unrest can be usefully expressed through parliament. It can’t.

    The rich who control big business rule. Parliamentary democracy is a propaganda instrument, and can’t be anything but.

    I’m not saying that what you say about the City of London is off-target, though. Quite the contrary – it’s very much on-target, albeit (and I don’t mean to be rude) shot through with naivety, because any big financial centre is going to be a haven for criminals, so long as big financial centres exist. Here’s the key point: obedience to the law is for the little people. Middle class politicos are never going to recognise that, except maybe just before they are themselves financially ruined by the big fish.

  103. doug scorgie

    19 May, 2013 - 9:22 pm

    Giles
    19 May, 2013 – 4:08 pm

    “As for the woman’s remarks, is it to be deemed criminal to hold the opinion that there are too many Muslims in this country, or that Cambridge is losing its English character?”

    Giles, how about; would it be deemed criminal to hold the opinion that there are too many Jews in this country? How would you react to someone who held that view?

    And how is Cambridge losing its English character? Too many Scotsmen?

  104. I am getting up very early in the morning and starting the long journey bacy to Ramsgate by train. So probably no post till Tuesday.

  105. doug scorgie

    19 May, 2013 - 9:34 pm

    Giles
    19 May, 2013 – 4:48 pm

    “Tony Benn is indeed brilliant, but will he receive any condemnation here for his various tax avoidance schemes?”

    Yes he would.

    So please present your evidence for his various tax-avoidance schemes and I will check that out.

  106. Jon’s been busy!

    @Jon, in future can you leave “English Knight’s” posts intact, as deleting them, in this case, renders half my posts meaningless. Furthermore, will you explain how deleting my posts furthers the cause of Anti-Racism, as espoused by you and others on this blog?

    I appreciate that open and unmoderated displays of antisemitism put this blog in a hard place, but there is no need to delete opposition to such virulent antisemitism.

    Thanks in advance!

  107. “Giles one doesn’t have to be black or brown to be a victim of racism.”

    No, and one doesn’t have to be white to be a racist.

    But suppose a group had gone along to the meeting of an Asian politician and started chanting “racist scum” and “get back to Pakistan”? Wouldn’t that be deemed racist, wouldn’t those responsible be up on charges of conspiracy to incite?

  108. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 10:10 pm

    On NHS privatisation, I think it is likely that more people are now grasping what is happening and what is at stake. My brother’s next door neighbour in Devon cares for very ill children. She is apparently a lovely gentle person whose unit has now been taken over by Branson’s Virgin Care who has acquired Devon’s Children’s Services. She can see the threats to the service increasing and is witnessing the first part of the ConDems’ plan now in the hands of Mr Hunt and Earl Howe. ie destabilisation >demoralization> dismantle.

    Branson already has acquired adult NHS Community Health Services in Surrey.

    There was an angry meeting on Friday to protest at the planned closure of A&E and Maternity at Epsom General Hospital.

    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2134298_hundreds_attend_meeting_over_epsom_hospital_future

    You can sense from the report the utter confusion and the generation of feelings of powerlessness and resignation.

    Note the Orwellian sounding acronym BSBV – Better Service Better Value – where the very opposite will be the case.

  109. Is that tree outside Ramsgate railway station still a favoured roosting place for a large proportion of the area’s rose-ringed parakeets? Just wondered!

  110. If UKIP’s Tiggs Keywood-Wainwright knew anything about the demographics of Cambridge, she would know that the largest ethnic group in that city after white English people are Chinese people, a large proportion of whom are Anglicised and do not speak Chinese.

    Meanwhile, Islam is a universalist and not a tribal religion.

    But if I had to give lessons about either of these matters to the Ms Keywood-Wainwrights of this world, I’d be wasting my time, I think.

  111. TFS – I enjoyed your link. A splendid discussion on the unaccountability of the arcane British secret intelligence services.

    The fundamental axial of the discussion is the right of governments or governments within governments, to keep secrets from their citizens.

    I remember writing here an ethical and conscientious fact; even low level engineering candidates under recruitment to our secret intelligence services (communications engineers, electronic engineers) are assessed on how effectively they can fabricate deception.

    If one shines a light on these dark furtive creatures who lurk in various dark corners below the horizon; in this visible darkness, nothing can be perceived. We realise from that experience this transparency is a measure of how good these creatures are at double-dealing and probing further, how devoted they are to trustworthiness.

    Yet something that is true and genuine is not necessarily honest…

  112. April Showers
    19 May, 2013 – 10:10 pm

    “All in it Together: How Government Is Handing Ownership of our Schools and Hospitals to Banks”

    http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/05/14/all-in-it-together-how-government-is-handing-ownership-of-our-schools-and-hospitals-to-banks/

    Another link

    http://johnnyvoid.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/nhs-coffin.jpg?w=450&h=335

  113. What is England?

    A nation of god loving, friendly, happy, joyful, hard working, people aspiring for a better place here and abroad.

    No, we are moaning consumers who believe ‘economic growth is our only road to salvation.

    The left and right in politics if share the above statement, ought to establish society that can natutaly homogenise that at least shares passionately a worldwide view of wrong and right, that which is just and fair.

  114. Giles:

    Link to Tony Benns tax avoidance evidence.

  115. This thread has been all over the shop so far, so I’m throwing this into it

    The */** Phone Calls: Disturbing Irregularities Uncovered in the Calls that Flashed around the World

    http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20130516-909978.html

    Weird, to say the least

  116. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella)

    20 May, 2013 - 10:23 am

    “Bad luck Capriles or should I say Radonski”

    (the Obsessive Poster on 18 May)
    ——–
    You can say whatever you like – we know what you’re hinting at (again)

  117. And Glenn Greenwald

    “Washington gets explicit: its ‘war on terror’ is permanent”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/17/endless-war-on-terror-obama

    if they can pay for it

    Paul Craig Roberts is sounding alarms

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35002.htm

  118. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 10:33 am

    On topic!

    No superstars, no ambition, no hope of change! Usmanov takes aim at Arsenal owner Kroenke

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2317554/Arsenal-fighting-continues-Alisher-Usmanov-takes-new-swipe-Stan-Kroenke.html

    and

    What if Alisher Usmanov had put £100m into Arsenal rather than Apple?
    May 4, 2013

    Arsenal are currently smack-bang in the middle of a civil war. In one corner is Stan Kroenke, the Gunners’ majority shareholder and the subject of much fan criticism for his passive ownership of the club. In the other is Alisher Usmanov, Britain and Russia’s wealthiest man. Could the Russian’s financial muscle prove the difference in this battle of wills?

    http://soccerlens.com/usmanov-100-million-for-arsenal/107596/

    Is it correct for him to be called Russian when he was born in Uzbekistan when it was a ‘republic’ of the Soviet Union?

    Wenger hails ‘special’ Arsenal squad after sealing Champions’ League place
    • Manager hails team’s character after 1-0 defeat of Newcastle
    • ‘We want to make additions but keep spirit of the squad’
    The Guardian, Monday 20 May 2013
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/19/arsenal-arsene-wenger-fourth-spot

  119. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 10:41 am

    La <vita è bella, life is good!

    . This symbol is used to represent either you or something sucks. More likely than not, the player is too lazy to write sucks and just goes right to the “<" symbol. Most people catch on what it means.

    LOL

  120. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 10:43 am

  121. Uzbek in the UK

    20 May, 2013 - 10:56 am

    April Showers,

    Many so called Russian oligarchs are actually not of Russian ethnic origin and Usmanov is one of them. He is Russian by citizenship and as he is very rich and very powerful Russians prefer to call him Russian. Unlike millions of others who were born in Uzbekistan he does not suffer humiliations, beatings and life threat from racists in Russia.

  122. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 10:57 am

    2 Aircraft carriers (Ark Royal and Invincible) sold for scrap to Turkey. £2.9m
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22513349

    2 Aircraft carriers bought for +£7 bn and not in service until 2020!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_aircraft_carrier

    Plus the cost of new aircraft since the Harriers were scrapped and instantly destroyed. No argument. See http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=15610

  123. Uzbek in the UK

    20 May, 2013 - 11:00 am

    I wonder how most of the comments to this post (about Usmanov and his polished wiki page) are actually related to it?

    I think Mr Murray you can post just few random letters and people here will discuss what they want anyway.

  124. @Dreoilin

    “Washington gets explicit: its ‘war on terror’ is permanent”

    “if they can pay for it”

    Since WWII the only way the US has maintained and increased it’s GDP is by military spending.

    With a total refusal to consider any type of social spending (which would enlarge the state!) it’s only war that can make their world go round …

  125. Indigo

    I know that argument. But Paul Craig Roberts is interesting

    Washington Signals Dollar Deep Concerns

    “Over the past month there has been a statistically improbable concurrence of events that can only be explained as a conspiracy to protect the dollar from the Federal Reserve’s policy of Quantitative Easing (QE) …”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35002.htm

    “When the dollar goes, Washington’s power goes, which is why the bullion market is rigged. Protect the power. That is the agenda. Is it another Washington over-reach?”

  126. Ah Dreoilin, be careful! You are touching on ‘The thread that dare not speak its name’, and for which Craig fashioned a special dungeon. At the risk of being dungeoned, I would say that the anomalies of the cellphone calls were well documented and exposed in the Troofer community years ago, though ignored by the mainstream media. Not sure why the WSJ is bringing it up now. Interestingly, both Virgin and Emirates proudly announced new technology in 2012 that would finally allow passengers to make cell phone calls at 20,000 ft, even though everyone could apparently do it in 2001. I’m off to the dungeon.

  127. ““Washington gets explicit: its ‘war on terror’ is permanent””

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/05/20/pers-m20.html

  128. KingofWelshNoir

    Although I’ve warned others off the subject, I think this is the first time I’ve actually transgressed, myself.

    Just to mention, the WSJ has a big note at the bottom: “The Wall Street Journal news department was not involved in the creation of this content.” (God forbid that we should be aligned with those mad troofers)

    I’ll join you down there shortly.

  129. Tormented shouts heard from the caverns of the dungeon:

    “September 11, 2001 seems destined to be the watershed event of our lives and the greatest test for our democracy in our lifetimes. The evidence of government complicity in the lead-up to the events, the failure to respond during the event, and the astounding lack of any meaningful investigation afterwards, as well as the ignoring of evidence turned up by others that renders the official explanation impossible, may signal the end of the American experiment.

    It has been used to justify all manner of measures to legalize repression at home and as a pretext for behaving as an aggressive empire abroad. Until we demand an independent, honest, and thorough investigation and accountability for those whose action and inaction led to those events and the cover-up, our republic and our Constitution remain in the gravest danger.”

    Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, US Marine Corps (ret.)

  130. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 1:16 pm

    I agree there Mark. The planned evil of the war on terrrrr flowed from it.

  131. LOL Well said, Mark.

    [and Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford]

  132. Horseman Joe

    20 May, 2013 - 1:34 pm

    Indigo
    And please desist with your misplaced WWII fascist vocabulary … it’s an insult to the victims of that war.

    Don’t be a numpty. The Blackshirts began in 1919 and have no special particular association with WWII.

  133. Horseman Joe

    20 May, 2013 - 1:36 pm

    by the way, happy Pentecost

    13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

    14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

    15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

    Well, I’m starting now.

  134. @Dreoilin

    At the risk of getting banned before I’ve hardly begun (takes a long time to start on this blog) … all I’ll say is, ‘Interesting’ … I now have the questions more or less answered that I had when I read the news earlier in the month.

    Reminds me of reports at the time of the invasion of Iraq regarding Saddam’s wish to change from petro-dollars to petro-euros …

  135. Admit it, Craig. You saw your name in lights…

    The alleged here is not only unverified rumors, but also including Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, who said Usmanov is one of the most serious mafia territory of the former Soviet Union. Murray claims Usmanov to Putin on behalf of independent Russian media silence work sheets and labels by buying.
    (Google Translate – cut and pasted in and out)

    Rearrange the words a bit and you get the general drift.

    Sorry to disobey.
    There doesn’t seem to be a ‘notranslate’ clause in the page code, anyway. Incompetence rather than malice, maybe.

    (I know doesn’t work. Otherwise half the posts here would be in green, er, ink.)

  136. that’s “color=red” doesn’t work…

  137. @Horseman Joe

    Yeah … I know …

    It happens occasionally when I get exasperated … as I was with repeated over-the-top references to fascism when discussing a rowdy-ish group of left wing students.

  138. One of the sources for the Hungarian piece, I think:

    http://blog.primitus.com/is-dst-going-to-be-the-next-berkshire-hathaway/

  139. Indigo,

    Saddam did change to petro-euros.

    And Iran is attempting to do the same
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_oil_bourse

    (And Gaddafi had hoped to introduce a new Pan-African currency, apparently. I don’t think he got much encouragement from the African Union though.)

    I don’t pretend to know all about currency issues, but if the dollar loses reserve currency status, the USA is sunk.

    “The No. 1 security issue we have as a nation is the preservation of the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency,” said Michael Pento, president of Pento Portfolio Strategies. “It’s a thousand times more important than a nuclear bomb being tested by North Korea. It’s a thousand times more important that we keep the dollar as the world’s reserve currency, and yet we are doing everything to abuse that status.”

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100461159

    ……………..

    “Rearrange the words a bit and you get the general drift.”

    I tried, Komodo. I really did. And I appreciate that you were trying to get back on topic. But my rearranging didn’t work very well.

  140. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 3:03 pm

    This is the profile of Vincent Chan, the author of that Primitus piece on DST. Has he got any interest in this bubble?

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentchanhk

  141. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 3:22 pm

    BREAKING NEWS:Police have searched the Westminster offices of an MP whilst investigating a ‘serious arrestable offence’, Commons Speaker says.

    Who?? Why is Bercow announcing it?

    PS Had you heard that MPs want £10k pa more salary. Bercow has already had his uplift.

    COMMONS Speaker John Bercow has taken a pay rise — while the Cabinet are on a five-year freeze.

    The hike means he will soon be paid more than the Prime Minister.

    And it comes despite David Cameron and ministers waiving a rise to save taxpayers £3million.

    Mr Bercow, 50, also the MP for Buckingham, has frozen the office-holder part of his salary until the 2015 election.

    But he HAS accepted the one per cent hike awarded to MPs.

    That takes his overall deal to £142,162 — and when next year’s £664 rise kicks in he will top the PM’s £142,500 salary.

    He now earns £8,000 more than a minister.

    Robert Oxley, of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “John Bercow is acting as if he is above the example other politicians are setting.

    “With families struggling as their pay is frozen his choice sends out a powerful message. He should rethink.”

    Mr Bercow has also been blasted for not giving up his Speaker’s pension and blocking details of a tax bill on his grace-and-favour flat.

    A Commons spokesman said: “The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority sets MPs salaries. The Speaker doesn’t think it right to second guess its decision.”
    ~~~

    Judgement is awaited on the Sally Bercow/Lord McAlpine libel case.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/16/sally-bercow-lord-mcalpine-twitter

  142. Nigel Evans again –
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22594276

    Just the Deputy Speaker. Just rape (allegedly). Move along. Nothing to see.

  143. China, Russia to dump US dollar for bilateral trade

    Although in an attempt to soften the blow, the article injects a bit of optimism:

    However, the move is not aimed at challenging the dollar but to protect their economies, as the countries started exploring other options in the wake of the global financial crisis.

    However in the interest of staying relevant the site carries this article too (note the dates):

    China-Russia currency agreement further threatens U.S. dollar

    Which concludes:

    This latest move — a continuation in a series of efforts by both countries to move away from U.S. dollar usage in international trade — further threatens the dollar’s reserve currency status.

    The old shite spewed about the attacks on countries that are no longer prepared to be playing musical chairs; in the recycling of the petro-dollars, is yet another attempt of the warmongers to sell yet another war, and justify even more mega deaths rained on innocent people. This is done through trying to hit the individual “voter” (serf/moron/useful idiot) in the pocket and garner support for the war of the greedy bastards bent on sequestrating the planet by force.

    However, there is a more pressing matter at hand. The identity of the high powered leaker (Sir John Stevens), whom has been protected by the efforts of Metropolitan Police to gag the Leveson Inquiry over claims that one of Blair’s top officers sold secrets to the News of the World

  144. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 5:00 pm

    That’s Blair of the Met not B.Llair of the TBFF btw

    Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington- his interests include directorship of LGC Forensics who carry out most of the state’s forensic work now.
    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-stevens-of-kirkwhelpington/3733

  145. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 5:05 pm

    Security News & Updates

    The latest news, updates and headlines from the Protector HQ.
    Posted on February 14th, 2013

    Protector Group set for expansion after Lord Stevens buys more shares

    Security company Protector Group is on the verge of a major expansion after former Metropolitan and Northumbria Police chief Lord Stevens took a controlling interest in the firm.

    The former top policeman is aiming to turn the Gateshead group into a major international brand after upping his stake by buying shares from company founder John Harvey.

    It means Newcastle-based Mercer Street Marketing and Consulting, set up by Lord Stevens and the late Freddie Fletcher, the former chief executive of Newcastle United, now has a 57.5% share in the company.

    Lord Stevens is already chairman of the group and will take a more hands-on approach together with managing director Derrick Halliwell.

    Halliwell said: “They’ve pretty much swapped over so Lord Stevens can be the biggest shareholder. He’s not a person for failure. He’s put his line in the sand.”

    /..
    http://www.protectorsecurity.co.uk/2013/02/protector-group-set-for-expansion-after-lord-stevens-buys-more-shares/

  146. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 May, 2013 - 5:18 pm

    Komodo @ 4:25

    Does he have a history? I am very suspicious of sexual allegations.

  147. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 May, 2013 - 5:32 pm

  148. Web translators are a hoot.

    What Google translate offers as

    “The alleged here is not only unverified rumors, but also including Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, who said Usmanov is one of the most serious mafia territory of the former Soviet Union. Murray claims Usmanov to Putin on behalf of independent Russian media silence work sheets and labels by buying.”

    is rendered by Bing translator (from the original, not from Google) as

    “The supposed to be here not just unverified rumours, but among other things, Craig Murray, former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, who according to Usmanov is one of the most serious in the territory of the former Soviet Union as the Sopranos. Murray claims, on behalf of the independent Russian Putin Usmanov media acquisition and publishers work with dissident * voices.”

    Hilarious

  149. I hereby dub this thread Smörgåsbord.

    [I’ll now stop shouting from the dungeon.]

  150. Treading carefully round the edges of the oubliette, immediately after ix/xi I remarked to a drinking pal that it was blowback, like the Alamo (I’m silly, and thought that at the time). It’s not the Alamo, said he. It’s the Little Bighorn – a massacre that justifies an end to restraint.

  151. @ Suhayl Saadi – 19 May, 2013 – 12:13 pm re your comment “Men-in-bags, men hung from shower rails, men given Hiroshima in their tea. It really is stranger than fiction”
    .
    This is what one gets when the politicians are too scared of their intelligence / security services to monitor them honestly. Sooner or later they morph into a secret police and, once they have done that, they behave like a secret police – doing illegal business for power-elites and on their own account.
    .
    Who are the “behind the scene” power elites? Well, in my view they include the Monarchy and those around it (courtiers, high aristocracy, etc.); top members of the legal establishment, and of London’s banking/finance elite; and, of course, the secret security / intelligence services have themselves become a power-elite – and probably include anybody with considerable money who can hire the right (expensive) security agency (staffed by former MI6/5 people?), or an influential legal firm for an outrageous fee. Of course many of these power-elites don’t subscribe to such criminal methods, but there are also many who do.
    .
    As for the Members of Parliament – they are powerless. Any MP who challenged the influential would be marginalized in the early stages of his career – that’s how secret police work. I could sight many examples from my own case, but let’s just take one. Some years ago an MP was helping me in my quest for justice. Then a newspaper article targeted him for criticism on another matter, grossly unfairly. The article was quickly retracted, but I did notice that his enthusiasm for my case seemed to wane abruptly from that date.
    .
    I also wonder whether the “Common Law” legal system, and the institutions that have developed to support it, are up to the challenges of the present day. Draconian libel laws that hamper free speech, a judiciary appointed by power-elites to serve their interests, a lack of equality before the law, so many unusual murders and persecutions (as Suhayl refers to) where justice is deliberately denied. Think of the Denis Lehane case.
    .
    http://www.quartetbooks.co.uk/bookpages/unperson.html
    .
    This happened in modern Britain. It could not happen in a democracy. We need constitutional change.

  152. @Roderick Russell

    And who will decide the new constitution in a country that doesn’t have a written one?

    Check and mate methinks.

  153. @Indigo

    “And who will decide the new constitution in a country that doesn’t have a written one?”

    Crowdsource it like the Icelanders, though it remains to be seen if they implement. I hope that the Scottish constitution will be crowdsourced. My next project!

  154. @Vronsky

    Will join you on that … still feel as if I have a vested interest.

  155. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 6:58 pm

    A lot was being made by BBC London News just now on the £3m cost of policing the Ecuadorean Embassy since Julian arrived one year ago. There was some adverse vox pop stuff plus two Australian women who asked the reporter if he thought Julian would get a fair trial! No reply was given.

    The reporter was filmed ringing at the door of the Embassy asking for interviews with either Julian or the Ambassador but was declined. The reporter said that Julian Assange ‘was wanted in the US on charges of espionage and in Sweden on allegations of sexual abuse by two women.’

    Pathetic stuff.

  156. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 May, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    April @ 6:58

    Yeah. They’re so concerned about fiscal responsibility they strain out the gnat, and swallow the camel whole.

  157. “The reporter said that Julian Assange ‘was wanted in the US on charges of espionage…. ‘

    Pathetic stuff.”

    Isn’t it just; and to think he/she gets paid for it.

  158. “Who are the “behind the scene” power elites? Well, in my view they include the Monarchy and those around it (courtiers, high aristocracy, etc.)”

    Seriously, Rod, you’ve got to stop watching PressTV.

  159. TFS,

    Details of Tony and Hilary’s inheritance tax avoidance sheme are available online. DYOR!

    I do admire Tony in a way. He clearly has a lot of guilt about living in a multi-million pound mansion, so he closes himself off in a remote wing with sparse furniture and minimal lighting.

    For the record, I don’t have much of a problem with legal measures to reduce one’s tax bill, and nor do I object to luxury mansions, but to be a socialist and a hypocrite is truly bad form!

  160. I’d like to know from the Anti-Zionists and Assange supporters on here, if Julian does have “mountains of shit” on Israel, why doesn’t he publish it?

  161. Giles,

    “I do admire Tony in a way. He clearly has a lot of guilt about living in a multi-million pound mansion, so he closes himself off in a remote wing with sparse furniture and minimal lighting.”

    Oh dear.Are you aware how absurd that sounds?

    Almost as absurd as the notion that Tony Blair is/was a Socialist.

  162. April Showers

    20 May, 2013 - 8:55 pm

    7.58 Has ‘Tony’ got another bit on the side called ‘Hilary’?! Does Cherie know?

  163. Tony and Hilary Benn surely?

    “In November 2011 it was reported that Benn had moved out of his home in Holland Park Avenue, London, into a smaller £750,000 flat nearby which benefits from a warden”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Benn#Retirement

  164. “I’d like to know from the Anti-Zionists and Assange supporters on here, if Julian does have “mountains of shit” on Israel, why doesn’t he publish it?”

    What could he have that is worse than what is already known?

    Nobody wants to know, the media don’t want to publish the people don’t want to believe, evidence is useless when the world is in denial.

  165. doug scorgie

    20 May, 2013 - 9:52 pm

    Giles
    20 May, 2013 – 7:52 pm

    “Details of Tony and Hilary’s inheritance tax avoidance schemes are available online. DYOR!”

    There are no details online to back your claims.

    In other words you are a liar.

    If I am wrong you can simply provide links and references that can prove you right and me wrong.

    But, of course, you can’t.

    We are used to liars on this blog.

  166. Giles, what do you have to say about the latest news of tax dodging schemes that David Cameron, Boris Johnson and your Friend Nigel Farage have just been implicated in?

  167. Giles: among the frothing you neglected to address these two points – a party: “in coalition with murderous extremists, and which has been rejected by its own founder for its far-right bigotry, extremism and scare-mongering?”

    You’d perhaps condone “we have too many Muslims in this country”? No-one suggests you should be jailed for thinking so, but honestly, how do you rationalise this?

    Back to the smorgasbord -

  168. Farage is a Frankenstein creation who can simultaneously raise the hackles of Liberals by being exclusivist and simultaneously puff out the Tories by running ahead of them in the electoral race against immigration. Not even Obama mentioning the place of the UK in international politics falling if the UK fails to secure the expansion of Europe through opening its borders, can bring the fuming Liberals and foaming Tories to their senses. Pah!

    3 cheers for Craig winding his way slowly back to Kent on a train. These jet-addicted Tories seem to have forgotten that we live in a physical globe with neighbours. Farage knows that our Scottish neighbours love it when their neighbours get involved in a few high-spirited fisticuffs. How to make friends for ever:- engage in a wee war of words instead of swooping past to Balmoral in a Bentley.

    The Tory top brass are currently engaged in war games from one male buttock to the other. Ye never know wha coud be lurkin in the glen.

  169. Doug, it ought to be clear by now that I don’t oppose legal tax avoidance. What I object to is the hypocrisy of those who demand

    Oh fuck this I really can’t be bothered anymore.

  170. Technidrek, the Founder might have felt scorned. I don’t know why. If things didn’t turn out the way he wanted, he might say the most damaging things possible, but I don’t know the details.

    I wouldn’t single out Muslims unfairly, hence the ‘perhaps’, but I agree with the general gist of what she said. Large parts of England are losing their English character. Were this another country you would agree, but you hate England and England won’t feel right for you until it no longer feels like England at all.

  171. …… honestly, how do you rationalise this?

    That is a very easy question, indeed.

    Based on tribal imperatives, and given the continual siege mentality, coupled with a deep persecution complex, the simplicity of hating all Muslims is a an inevitable consequence.

    Therefore concluding; these hated Muslims ought to be cleansed from everywhere in an attempt to minimise/impede/stop/end any probable cross pollination of the ideas/thoughts/notions, other than the officially sanctioned narrative as per the orders from zionistan.

    These ziofuckwits are akin to automatons, they need very little programming to fall in line, and get on with running the production line of; hate, bigotry, mass murder, lies, land theft, whilst playing the injured partyto boot.

    Hence difficult as it may appear to you; the simplicity of hatred towards the enemy is the rationale that is driving the hoards of these ziofuckwits, often interloping as concerned citizenry of the host society/board/nation and pushing the hot buttons to initiate the spread of hatred and intolerance towards the said Muslims/enemies.

  172. Simple strawman, ziofuckwit.

  173. Giles @ 20 May, 2013 – 7:37 Unlike yourself I have never watched Press TV in my life, and had to Google on it to see what it was. I think you make a mistake paying too much attention to what the Ayatollahs have to say.
    .
    However on the comment “Who are the “behind the scenes” power elites? Well, in my view they include the Monarchy and those around it (courtiers, high aristocracy, etc.)” let me just add a few words. If you think that Monarchy does not exercise considerable behind the scenes power, consider this:
    .
    P. Charles has apparently negotiated royal funding that is independent of Parliament for the first time in 200 years; he is known to have commented to various Ministers on political matters that we are not allowed to know about; and he has even been known to approach officials directly. And then there is the relationship with the intelligence services. Former MI6 officer, Richard Tomlinson said: “I learnt while in MI6 that there was unofficial direct contact between certain senior … MI6 officers and senior members of the Royal Household” Many knowledgeable people have commented on the closeness of the intelligence services to the Royals; particularly as they seldom have such a closeness with the elected parliament or the government of the day. Indeed allegations have recently surfaced that the Queen’s Private Secretary may have been an MI6 officer.
    .
    Whether one likes it or not it is very clear that the Royals are far more than figureheads, and can wield great power behind the scenes whenever they choose to do so.

  174. But Giles, the woman in question did single out Muslims, no doubt about it, so I presume you, by your own logic, should ‘condemn’ her statement. If it makes it easier for you she did so despite the fact that the Muslim population of Cambridge is approx 3.25 percent. (4000 out of 123000 people). That means out of 100 people, around 3 are Muslim. In what sense is this ‘too many’?

    As to ‘England’ – what do you mean, I hate England? The topography? The culture? The people? I am very fond of all of them. Is that so hard to understand?

    ‘Large parts of England are losing their English character’ – as you seemed to rather ignore, in the previous thread, some ghettos have been deliberately built by bureaucrats, which is awful for all concerned, but this is changing: life is shaking and moving on happily. Other ‘white’ enclaves, on the south coast, are either the prerogative of millionaires, or left to rot in sad isolation and would only benefit from an influx of new people and ideas.

    Where’s the influence of corporate/US culture on your ideas, I wonder?

  175. Britain’s Watchkeeper UAV program, is a joint project between Israel’s Elbit Systems and the French defense multinational Thales. Watchkeeper drones are based on Elbit’s Hermes 450 aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchkeeper_WK450

    A contact in Azerbaijan confirmed Israeli expertise (close to 30 years experience) was used to fly drones into the World Trade Center buildings 1WTC and 2WTC.

    Radar information confirms classic Operation Northwoods class aircraft exchanges were executed on the morning of September 11th 2001. Details of this switch transaction have been explained to me by an experienced Royal Air Force war planner.

    Others have provided proof (thank-you) in a film called ‘Intercepted’ which is well worth a viewing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=f6WSDxErgBE#!

    Richard Chaney (72 yrs) is described as the most powerful vice president in American history ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99422633 ) Cheney or ‘Dick’ had a crucial role to play when America was attacked. From an underground operations bunker protected by secret service personnel who also kept attendance activity logs, Dick Cheney helped execute the ‘Intercept’ or lack of by ensuring certain military orders were themselves intercepted. A simple job considering the communications and display equipment at his disposal.

    Richard Cheney may well be guilty of treason, war crimes and murder including the heinous loss of over 300 American firefighters.

    I urge the American public to prosecute him.

  176. “A contact in Azerbaijan confirmed Israeli expertise (close to 30 years experience) was used to fly drones into the World Trade Center buildings 1WTC and 2WTC.”

    Yes I’m sure he did and is he on first name terms with the Tooth Fairy?

    I thought the latest conspiracy theory was that there were no planes; it was all done with CGI. holograms and actors.

  177. Quite right Kempe- the collusion is a hypothesis which requires proof. That proof usually requires evidence under oath. In this paradigm one can only hold a belief. Time is easily wasted on debating belief.

    What is interesting is how a government conspiracy theory such as the statement in UK Parliament that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that could strike UK assets within 45 minutes, it also convinced the British judiciary that war with Iraq was necessary and vital.

    That war maimed and killed over one million children.

    A conspiracy theory I clarified here in early 2012 that the ‘Arab Spring’ in Syria was subverted, sabotaged and undermined by foreign governments directing foreign terrorists, has been proven. (see MSM)

    That war has displaced a few million Syrians and killed nearly 100,000 civilians.

    Small fry compared to the ‘attack’ on America.

    I present Professor John McMurtry life value analysis (thank-you).

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/resources/2013McMurtryVol35Feb.pdf

  178. @Doug Scourgie; Liars Indeed.

    http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C1790324

    The Glasgow Herald July 29 1961

  179. @ Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 May, 2013 – 5:18 pm

    Has he history? Not really. He’s gay, came out a couple of years ago, and according to his own account at least one of the men he is alleged to have raped was until very recently on good terms with him – the alleged rape being some years ago. One possibility is that Inspector Knacker is taking his revenge on the Tories for allegedly being called a pleb by Andrew Mitchell (qv). Bear in mind that whereas Congress behaves like a Texas cattle market, Parliament (pbui) is more like a primary school at playtime. With knives.

  180. Evans – a third accuser has turned up:

    Mr Evans, 55, was arrested in his ­Lancashire constituency a ­fortnight ago and questioned for 12 hours over claims that he had raped one man and ­sexually assaulted another.

    He has said the accusations are “completely false” and spoken of his “incredulity” at the claims of the two men – who he had “regarded as friends”.

    The third alleged victim, who is in his 20s, is said to have come forward as a result of publicity about the initial arrest.

    The man claimed to ­Lancashire police that he was attacked by the Conservative ­politician in the Commons two years ago.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-evans-tory-mp-faces-1900741

    Not to prejudge the matter, but aren’t some Tories rather against Cameron’s obsession with gay weddings? And might they…no, forget it.

    BTW, is Lord (Not Swivel-Eyed) Feldman by any chance related to the late Marty (Hallucinatorily Swivel-Eyed) Feldman? Just wondered.

  181. This Feldman – the Mail(†) obligingly details his very cosy circumstances.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326913/From-tennis-pals-Oxford-Government-How-Lord-Feldman-Camerons-decades.html

    Strangely, the Mail doesn’t reveal his close involvement in earlier fundraising for the Tories: (fade up swirly music, zoom into sepia photo)

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/56577/tories-solicited-cash-werritty

  182. Elizabeth Morley

    21 May, 2013 - 4:13 pm

    In case you didn’t get round to reading the email I sent you yesterday, Craig, here is my translation:

    This is how the Russians are taking over the internet
    The hottest web 2 companies of 2010-2011 rose within a few years from zero to businesses with assets valued at several milliard dollars. Instead of the stock exchange they opted for private investors when they needed money. And the biggest investor of all the three, and at the same time their part-owner, is a mysterious Russian firm, Digital Sky Technologies.

  183. April Showers

    21 May, 2013 - 5:44 pm

    Komodo Your D Mail link… Hilarious. If only it had been filmed.

    ‘Lord Feldman’s importance to Mr Cameron, who has publicly described him as ‘one of my oldest and best friends’, was emphasised when he was tasked with ‘prepping’ the PM for his appearance at the Leveson Inquiry into press standards.

    He played the role of Robert Jay, the counsel for the inquiry, by peppering Mr Cameron with likely questions about his relationship with newspaper owners.’

    ~~
    Interesting that B.Liar has/had Lord Levy as his tennis partner and Agent Cameron has Lord Feldman as his.

    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-feldman-of-elstree/4193

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05289086/THE-CONSERVATIVE-PARTY-FOUNDATION-LIMITED#people-tab

    and they hide the loot away in the three C&U CO companies, (Conservative and Unionist Central Office I assume)

    ie
    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00464224/CUCO-PROPERTIES-LIMITED#summary-tab

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00466375/CUCO-MANAGEMENT-LIMITED#summary-tab

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00464776/CUCO-SERVICES-LIMITED#people-tab

    Moran and Fink each have many directorships.

    Moran has a pretentious website. http://www.christophermoran.org/profile/

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/christopher-moran-so-is-this-the-rich-donor-with-a-racy-past-that-cameron-is-desperate-to-keep-secret-473431.html

  184. April Showers

    21 May, 2013 - 5:51 pm

    His ‘background’ according to the Mail. He must hate seeing this sort of thing in the papers.

    Tories’ new best friend is bold as brass
    By Andrew Pierce
    UPDATED: 07:38, 4 October 2010

    The debonair businessman Christopher Moran is a shining example to the Tory Party faithful of how it is possible to rise from the most humble beginnings to multi-millionaire status.

    He owns a magnificent 15th-century 30-room townhouse on the banks of the Thames in Cheyne Walk, Chelsea, and a 48,000-acre sporting estate in Scotland.

    Grammar school-educated Moran, 62, acquired these ostentatious symbols of wealth through hard work, having made his first million by the age of 21. He’s also broken the rules.

    He has been censured several times by the London Stock Exchange for a series of controversial share purchases and holds the dubious privilege of being the first person to be debarred for life by Lloyd’s of London.

    He was also convicted of insider trading in the U.S. and fined $2 million.

    Yet there was Moran, bold as brass, if you’ll pardon the pun, at a fundraising dinner at London’s Dorchester Hotel the other day with David Cameron. So much for Cameron’s pledge to clean up party political funding.

    It was Moran who masterminded the £30 million sale of Conservative Central Office, the historic backdrop to Margaret Thatcher’s three election victories.

    It’s not as if he sneaked in via the tradesmen’s entrance. Moran was on the same table as Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister who is a key Cameron ally. What nice company Dave’s ministers keep.

    Hardly surprising, though, when David Rowland, the man Cameron chose to be the new party treasurer this year, had to quit before he even took up the job because of his ‘shady’ business dealings.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1317486/Tories-new-best-friend-Christopher-Moran-bold-brass.html#ixzz2TwkRXJky

  185. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 May, 2013 - 6:05 pm

    Komodo @ 2;44

    Lord Feldman is like Billy to his brother Jimmy Carter. Loose cannons…..clear the decks !

  186. “In this paradigm one can only hold a belief. Time is easily wasted on debating belief.”

    That is the problem. I see people increasingly settle on a belief then look for any information that will support that belief. I’m a bit old fashioned and still take the scientific approach of knowledge based on evidence.

  187. resident dissident

    22 May, 2013 - 10:39 am

    Usmanov is very clearly a creature of Putin and his KGB old boys nexus. What is interesting is how he will work with Putin to get a rather more Putin friendly clone in place in Uzbekistan when Karimov pops his clogs – and the compromises or otherwise they will come to with Gulnara and others who have stolen most of the assets of Uzbekistan. My guess is that the latter will be offerred a you can keep some of your assets providing you stay out of politics and let us develop the main assets deal as happened in Russia.

  188. Craig,

    Tried our best … the article wasn’t terribly well written and there were lots of new internet technical words unknown to him (and English-Hungarian dictionaries, I might add!) What you find here is a translation of what we felt was the general meaning – not accurate word for word. I omitted the potted history of Usmanov (already well known)and cross referenced with web articles to check that our understanding was accurate.

    Have also added web articles I found that give more info.

    PS Don’t think my husband is speaking to me!

    “(Didn’t translate the gushing introduction)
    Milner appears to have a knack of identifying online companies whose potential has not yet been recognised but is known to receive insider information on a regular basis. DST is aggressive in acquisitions generally paying high prices; it has been known to invest hundreds of millions in a week.
    In May 2009 DST took a 2% stake in Facebook for 200 million dollars. In two years the evaluation of Facebook had increased to 50 billion dollars and DST had increased their share at this point to 10% by the means of buying share options from employees.
    Milner invested 180 million dollars in the ‘Farmville’ game played on Facebook whose value is now over 9 billion dollars. Last spring 135 million dollars invested in Groupon acquired a 10% stake; the company today is evaluated at 15 billion dollars on the stock market and recently it has invested 100 million dollars in Spotify, an online music service. *
    Prior to DST embarking on acquisitions of technology service companies on the English language internet Milner companies had already dominated the Russian net.
    In 1999 Milner founded his first technology investment firm, Netbridge, with a view to establishing a foothold and then expanding into the Russian net. He took inspiration from US online services which he then either copied or, if they already existed in Russia, bought. He invested heavily in them ensuring that the competition was out-gunned. Some of these companies were: molotok.ru (Russian eBay), vkontakte.ru (Russian Facebook), mail.ru (Russian Gmail) osmp.ru (Russian Paypal).* *
    It is estimated that today around 70-75% of the Russian speaking internet page views occur on sites owned by DST.
    Haven’t translated the following four paragraphs that state at the beginning that Usmanov is behind him and then go into general, well known detail of his football club ownership, his listing with Forbes, his hold over Russian media, his relationship with Putin et al, Gazprom and elements of his criminal history. (It’s already well known.)
    Interestingly, although the company’s major shareholders are Milner, Usmanov and Tencent (a major Chinese internet giant) the aggressive expansion of DST has not appeared to engender any resentment in America as only ICQ are regarded by national security agencies as being a potential risk if in Russian hands. (Not sure of next sentence but appears to be an example of the insouciance of the US government regarding Russian shareholding in Facebook).
    And DST have recently announced an additional 1 billion dollars ear-marked for investment in start-up web companies … more than 50 of these companies are watching closely, waiting for the right moment, for a bid that can’t be refused”.

    to be continued …

  189. http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/31/yuri-milner-dealmaker/
    http://www.thedeal.com/magazine/ID/038812/2011/close-connections.php
    *In January 2009, Milner, head of a then-obscure investment fund called Digital Sky Technologies, flew from Moscow to California, offered Mark Zuckerberg $200 million for a 2% stake in Facebook Inc. and flew back. He attached few if any of the strings a more seasoned venture capitalist would claim: no board seat, no army of accountants combing through the books, no tortuous legal agreements. The old crowd on Sand Hill Road ridiculed him as a nouveau riche hayseed. Today? Not so much.
    The $10 billion valuation Milner put on the social network famously grew to $50 billion by January 2011 when Goldman Sachs Group Inc. bought in with its own innovative structure. Milner’s DST, which kept buying bits in the interim, had by then amassed 10% of Facebook for an estimated $800 million, delivering a paper profit over two years of $4.2 billion. By the time Goldman arrived on the scene, Milner had cashed out much of his equity, and the majority owner of the Facebook investment was metals billionaire Alisher Usmanov.
    Milner has ridden a still more powerful speculative wave with online discount arranger Groupon Inc. In April 2010, DST put in most of a $135 million financing round that reportedly valued the company at about $1 billion. By December Groupon was fending off a $5 billion-plus acquisition offer from Google Inc., and the latest news is it could go public at $25 billion. In between, in December 2009, Milner poured $180 million into Zynga Inc., which controls the “FarmVille” game played via Facebook. “Yuri has the conviction of his trades,” says a Moscow expatriate who has known him since the 1990s. “In a rising market, that can be a great benefit.”
    Milner, 49, is not an oligarch. He never wangled an oil company or iron mine from the Kremlin at knockdown prices or formed a private army to protect his family. But he has been close to two of the richest and toughest of them. In the 1990s he worked for Mikhail Khodorkovsky, who acquired Yukos Oil Co. and later gained fame as Russian business’ most famous martyr to then-President Vladimir Putin. (Khodorkovsky received a second long jail sentence while Google was courting Groupon last December.) Milner’s financial partner now is Usmanov, who served six years himself in an Uzbek prison on a conviction that was later overturned. Usmanov then built a Russian metals empire worth an estimated $17.7 billion while simultaneously heading an arm of OAO Gazprom, the state-owned natural gas monopoly. A native Muscovite, Milner was in a sense born to be a bridge between Russian and Western business. His father was an expert in American management, one of a select coterie of Soviet intellectuals cleared for exposure to such exotic knowledge. Young Yuri studied physics at the prestigious Moscow State University during the 1980s. In the early ’90s, he took an M.B.A. at the Wharton School and worked for three years at the World Bank in Washington.
    A native Muscovite, Milner was in a sense born to be a bridge between Russian and Western business. His father was an expert in American management, one of a select coterie of Soviet intellectuals cleared for exposure to such exotic knowledge. Young Yuri studied physics at the prestigious Moscow State University during the 1980s. In the early ’90s, he took an M.B.A. at the Wharton School and worked for three years at the World Bank in Washington.
    Khodorkovsky brought him back to Russia in 1995 to head a would-be investment bank called Alliance-Menatep CJSC. Conspicuously short and whip-smart, in the brawny new world of Moscow money, Milner relied on nerve and a silver tongue. “Yuri was always very persuasive in English or Russian,” a colleague at the time recalls. “He is half my size, but several times he talked us out of situations in nightclubs that might have become really dangerous.”
    Alliance-Menatep blew up after the Russian financial crisis of 1998. While his own country spun into renewed chaos, Milner again looked West. Observing the raging dot-com boom, he decided it would eventually reach Russia. He managed to raise $2.25 million from New Century Holdings Inc., a New York-based investor that was an early believer in Russia, added $750,000 of his own savings and launched a tech investment fund called NetBridge.
    Milner backed a few Russian clunkers — an Amazon clone called 24×7 proved ahead of its time in a country without credit cards — but by the mid-2000s he was on to a good thing with Mail.ru, the country’s top portal, which has since incorporated the most popular online games, too. He bought out the Russian-language version of Classmates.com, Odnoklassniki.ru, and acquired 33% of Vkontakte (“In Contact”), a social networking site that is locally eating the lunch of — Facebook. Milner bundled these properties into Mail.ru Group Ltd. and raised $912 million in a London IPO last November, one more triumph.
    But it was partnering with metals billionaire Usmanov in 2008 that gave Milner global reach. Usmanov bought 27% of Mail.ru for $350 million. (The company’s current capitalization is more than $6 billion). He also backed a new private equity fund called DST Global, reportedly controlling 75% of it. Most of the Facebook holding, 7.6% of the company’s outstanding shares, has been acquired by this vehicle. The remaining 2.4% stake belongs to Mail.ru.
    Son of a top Uzbek Communist-era official, Usmanov, now 57, studied at the ultra-elite Moscow State Institute for International Relations. Back home in Uzbekistan in 1980, he was charged in an official bribery conspiracy and incarcerated until 1986. Usmanov has insisted he was framed, and a court expunged his criminal record in 1989.
    He emerged in 2000 as head of Gazprominvest, an arm of Gazprom, which was swapping unpaid bills for equity stakes in deadbeat factories. About the same time, Usmanov started acquiring a string of iron ore foundries and steel mills with private partners through a vehicle called Gazmetall, now merged into the Metalloinvest holding. Among the high officials whose ear Usmanov is supposed to have: President Dmitri Medvedev, who chaired Gazprom before his promotion to head of state.
    Milner lost control of his business when he brought in Usmanov and Naspers Group, a South African media company that bought a big chunk of Mail.ru back in 2006. Milner cashed out most of his remaining stake in the public vehicle during last year’s IPO. All the company’s founders and managers together now own less than 12%, according to Mail.ru’s website.
    In return for selling his equity, Milner got up to $1 billion of Usmanov’s cash to dangle before the Mark Zuckerbergs of the world, and he lost no time putting it to work. His low-maintenance investment style has made him an instant favorite among tech entrepreneurs. “DST is just cool,” raves Groupon CEO Andrew Mason.
    Milner departed from standard private equity procedure again this January, showering (dribbling, by his standards) $150,000 on each of 43 companies that completed the annual incubation program at Silicon Valley’s Y Combinator. His partner in this mass seeding was famed “super angel” Ron Conway.
    Financiers counter that standard crabby due diligence serves a purpose and wonder whether Milner’s model is sustainable past a few bold early strokes. “Allowing people to take big money off the table before the IPO arguably encourages them to pay less attention to the business,” says Bernard Sucher, a veteran expat Moscow banker who is now a board member at Aton Capital brokerage there. “It also breaks the model that your VCs get just as rich as you.”
    Milner also looks less cool to colleagues in the narrow circle of Russian Internet players. People close to Yandex, the search engine that has beaten back Google to become Russia’s top online company (Mail.ru is No. 2) complain that Milner has pressured them toward an unwanted merger, deploying as leverage Usmanov’s deep pockets and implied state connections. One Yandex source likens Milner to “The Social Network” version of Zuckerberg without Zuck’s good points: “Compared to the movie character, I would say Milner lacks the fresh-faced charm.”
    The Digital Sky founder also faces revolt from Vkontakte shareholders against his presumed desire to fold that burgeoning site into Mail.ru. Vkontakte’s founding CEO, Pavel Durov, recently published an open letter describing such a merger as “utopian.” Ironically, Milner’s fantastic success with Facebook may be jacking up the price he and/or Mail.ru has to pay for the Russian copy.
    But if Facebook and Groupon do go public at anything like currently discussed prices, all that will be a footnote to two very lucrative investment calls. Even if Milner and Usmanov never repeat success on such a scale, they have opened the door to global tech investing for other Russian billionaires used to trusting their instincts and taking big swings.
    Next in line, oligarch watchers speculate, may be Mikhail Prokhorov, another metals magnate who is still richer than Usmanov with $18.8 billion of net worth, much of it in cash. Prokhorov already owns Russian financial information service RBC and his own social network, Snob.ru.
    Unlike Milner, Prokhorov looks for takeover targets that are in distress. He used the financial crisis for acquisitions as varied as the last-place New Jersey Nets basketball team and liquidity-starved Moscow investment bank Renaissance Group. He may well swoop in when tech bubble 2.0 bursts.

    to be continued …

  190. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/09/28/dst-global-hoping-to-grow-across-asia-puts-down-roots/
    **Following a private equity model, he bought Russian companies that resembled popular American start-ups, like 24×7, an e-commerce company akin to Amazon, and Molotok, an auction site. The biggest coup came in 2001, when NetBridge merged with Port.ru, Russia’s largest e-mail service, to form Digital Sky Technologies. The business, a mix of Russian Internet companies and United States investments, was broken up last year into DST Global and Mail.ru, which went public in November with a market value of $5.7 billion based on its offer price. At the time, Mail.ru was described as the largest publicly held Internet company in Europe.

    Further info and links:
    http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/31/yuri-milner-dealmaker/
    FORTUNE — Yuri Milner’s top dealmaker has quit to launch his own firm, Fortune has learned.
    Alexander Tamas originally joined Milner’s Digital Sky Technologies in 2008, after having previously worked as an investment banker at Goldman Sachs (GS). His primary responsibility was international expansion, including DST’s investments in such companies as Alibaba, Airbnb, Facebook (FB), Groupon (GRPN), Spotify and Twitter.
    Tamas also worked on the build-up and $7 billion IPO of Mail.Ru Group, where he also sat on the board of directors.

    http://venturebeat.com/2011/01/29/yuri-milner-and-ron-conway-aim-to-disrupt-angel-investing-with-latest-proposal/
    http://venturevillage.eu/leaked-dst-document
    http://www.crunchbase.com/financial-organization/digital-sky-technologies-fo
    http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/01/28/yuri-milners-strategy-stick-with-the-founders-as-long-as-theyre-pushing-the-envelope/
    http://vator.tv/news/2011-03-30-yuri-milner-creates-new-fund-bets-on-spotify

    Finished!

    Hope it helps … that you had great time in Edinburgh and that you gained converts to the cause. (Fred is a hopeless case, though!)

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