We’re Not Dead Yet

by craig on July 15, 2013 11:08 am in Uncategorized

Many thanks for all the very kind messages.  I appear to be back on full  fighting form again and will resume blogging shortly.

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  1. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 5:31 am

    Barclays have already been fined for fixing the Libor rates. Now they have another fine for manipulating US electricity prices.

    US energy regulator orders Barclays to pay £299m fine
    Bank penalised for attempting to manipulate US electricity market hours after appointing Tushar Morzaria as financial director
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jul/17/us-energy-regulator-barclays-fine

    Barclays….’We are very disappointed’…. Not half as disappointed as the many Joe Soaps and their families in the US who were swindled.

    Fines, however large, do not have any effect on this bank’s illegal activities. Shut them down and be done with it. Oh sorry! They have got a new director who will make them squeaky clean like Domestos does. He is being stolen from JP Morgan Chase (B.Liar’s employer) at a reputed £6m salary.

    And no Villager. I do not envy wealth, in yet another of your preposterous statements made about me in your role of armchair psychologist. These bankers can keep their obscene wealth. It will not make them happy or extend their lives.

    The other night I was watching a programme about the current state of medical care in Greece. It is appalling and is virtually non existent. Unless you can pay for treatment and medication you have to rely on charity. The poor people are suffering whilst the likes of Goldman Sachs who set Greece up, went off with the profits from the deal.

    Greece’s life-saving austerity medics
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23247914

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/world/europe/greek-unemployed-cut-off-from-medical-treatment.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    PS I see there is another reference to me above in your midnight ramblings. ‘We need another way to live but i remain deeply sceptical of the armchair activists like Flaming June, Herbie and our failed petty-politician Nevermind and such likes.’ You seem to have a fixation. Leave me out of your comments. I do not engage with you nor do I have any wish to do so.

  2. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 5:39 am

    Iran, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka, China. They are all in the frame, including Israel.

    The committees also want more detail on a sales licence granted to Israel earlier this year for the purchase of £7.7bn worth of what is described as “equipment employing cryptography and software for equipment employing cryptography”. (BBC website)

    Scrutiny of Arms Exports and Arms Control (2013) Report
    17 July 2013

    There are over 3,000 Government approved export licences, worth more than £12 billion, for strategic controlled goods going to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office’s 27 Countries of Human Rights concern say MPs.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/other-committees/committee-on-arms-export-controls/news/pn-report/

  3. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 6:41 am

    @ Ben Franklin, re my occasional interventions on this blog

    “I guess i’m using the US definition of ‘free speech’. In our democracy, you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater when no fire exists. There are limits.”
    ___________

    As often, this sounds impressive but reveals itself less so when you stop to think for a second or two….

    My questioning of la pensée unique on this blog is compared to shouting fire in a crowded theatre (and should therefore be sanctioned)?

    This reveals a slightly exaggerated sense of importance about this blog and a more than slightly exaggerated sense of self-importance on the part of some of the Eminences, I think.

  4. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 6:45 am

    Could it be that “fixations” are contagious?

    In good medical practice, the source of an infection is normally quarantined.

  5. “Ouch! A bit below the belt, that, don’t you think?” Habbabkuk.

    Norman St John Stevas didn’t have a below-the-belt. Perish the thought, Ma’am!

  6. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 7:45 am

    We comment on the US hellholes yet we have our own.

    ‘Morton Hall detainee held for nearly three years, report finds
    A charity for immigration detainees said protests in centres were not uncommon

    An asylum seeker has been detained for three years without trial at a Lincolnshire centre, a report reveals.

    Inspectors at Morton Hall Immigration Detention Centre praised recent improvements but raised concerns that many people were held for too long.

    Immigration Minister Mark Harper said the Home Office “enforces the return” of people in the country illegally.

    Campaign group Detention Action said the UK should put a time limit on how long people were held.

    ‘Safe establishment’

    A riot broke out at the centre, which houses about 360 men, over the Christmas period, according to the staff union and in July last year a number of detainees protested at the length of time they had been held.

    But HM Inspectorate of Prisons said it was “pleased to see physical security” had been upgraded since the disturbances.’

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-23334753#

  7. If the UK must be a republic, a model that provides for an elected president would be a disaster. Elected people are, by functional neccesity, politicians. So to have a politician elected separately to a parliamentary party is a recipe for political conflict and embarrassment for the government.

    My preferred system is one of parliamentary appointment of someone who was never a member of a political party (eliminating appointment of political cronies), is over 50 years of age and titled ‘Ambassador General’ rather than ‘President’ in keeping with their effective role as an internationally roving representative of the country. Former judges or military top brass could be suitable candidates. Oz used to appoint retired military brass as Governors General before Labor decided to go with an affirmative action policy.

    As a republican myself, I see that monarchy has a diminishing future. But I will not support any model that attempts to recreate the appallingly bad, but glamorous, US model. Republicans are, in my view, a little too excited for change and a little too deluded about what improvements to society such change will bring. Look around the world and see what republicanism has done for other countries.

    Having said that, a reasonable person should tote up the pros and cons of monarchy vs republic on a periodic basis and make informed, not romantic, decisions about where their best interests lie in the future.

  8. NSA News.
    The lawyers are moving in on them in the USA. Should get interesting. This is First Amendment stuff, they have not started on Fourth Amendment yet. Washington’s defence up till Snowden was that it was all secret and all evidence anecdotal. No more.

    https://www.eff.org/press/releases/unitarian-church-gun-groups-join-eff-sue-nsa-over-illegal-surveillance

  9. Kempe: Komodo, you’re quoting from exactly the kind of nationalist website I was talking about.

    For the n’th time, I’m not arguing for Cornish independence. I’m truly neutral, verging on anti (it’s economic nonsense) on the matter. What I quoted from the website is true. It has the advantage of being concisely stated there; if I hadn’t quoted it, I’d have had to use two or three links. And I’m sorry, the Daily Mail didn’t have much information on the topic, and I couldn’t use the Excrescences’ official source for that reason.

    Monarchy: It occurred to me, belatedly, that, re. the monarchy, the alternative is usually assumed to be a President, who performs the same function at rather less cost – basically frontman for the country. In the UK, the PM performs all the identifiable functions undertaken in the US by the elected President – so a President would be superfluous. Functionally, HM is unnecessary, by the same token. She simply doubles-up the PM’s, and our ambassadors’, PR brief.

    It’s time to rethink the job. Which is, essentially, PR. For that we need a personage well-versed in branding and marketing, capable of heading a team of creatives and capable of implementing a Ministerial brief with imagination and flair. They should be charismatic, and well-informed. They should not have to ask the random punter beside whom their gilt carriage has paused what he does: they should know. Conversational and wide networking skills would be a distinct asset. Appointing such a one, issuing it with a crown, and paying it by results, would enable the PM of the day to GET ON WITH RUNNING THE BLOODY COUNTRY INSTEAD OF SWANNING OFF TO UZBEKISTAN TO SELL ARMS.

    In short, ladies and gentlemen, Eminences and Excrescences, the monarchy should be the subject of a PFI contract with a PR firm.

  10. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 9:01 am

    What’s wrong with the Irish system? It produced Michael D. Higgins. He even had his salary reduced. How often do you hear of that?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Higgins

  11. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Jul, 2013 - 9:09 am

    @Jemand. 8 43am

    “…an elected president would be a disaster.”

    Mary Robinson, Mary Mac Aleese, Michael D. Higgins.

    Disasters? Maybe one bit of the system that really works, in Ireland at least.

    You should give it a try at a hundred and twelve times less cost. Then you could invest in a few thousand nurses. See what benefit that would bring to UK society.

  12. What’s wrong with the Irish system?

    My crystal ball tells me that you will shortly receive a not-very-polite answer to that question…

  13. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Jul, 2013 - 9:11 am

    @Flaming, you beat me to it. Thanks.

  14. Interesting list of folks buying our arms here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23336914

    The committees also want more detail on a sales licence granted to Israel earlier this year for the purchase of £7.7bn worth of what is described as “equipment employing cryptography and software for equipment employing cryptography”.

    This one licence granted in February 2013 accounted for well over 50% of the value of all existing licences to the countries in question.

    Completely unrelated news:

    http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/Delegations/RecentDelegations/

    Philip Hammond’s attendance was of course completely coincidental. Trust they had a nice time not selling £7Bn -worth of crypto kit to our faithful allies.

    HM The Queen has never been to Israel. Because it would risk souring our relations with the oil states, it is said.

  15. Persecution of a young woman by Thames Valley Police.

    Private Eye In The Back: What Katie didn’t do
    http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=in_the_back&issue=1344

    Yet Katie Bowman has never been convicted of any crime. … Sara Thornton…. from Katie’s MP Dominic Grieve QC (who also happens to be the attorney-general), …

    Forensic science graduate has been stopped 70 TIMES by police …

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2366360/Forensic-science-graduate-stopped-70-TIMES-police-splitting-PC-lover.html

    9 hours ago – Katie Bowman, 24, alleges she was targeted over 28 months by Thames … Dominic Grieve, who said he was ‘seriously concerned’ by damning …

    Dominic Grieve who is her MP is taking up her case. Katie was on Radio 4 Today this morning apparently. It’s here at 6.50am.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036vrsc/live

  16. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Jul, 2013 - 11:14 am

    Flaming June. 10 33am

    Re the case of Katie Bowman.

    You have me half persuaded that UK monarchy benefits society after all.

    Cost of 1 UK monarch = Cost of 2800 police officers

  17. you poor thing, Villager, your vile, endearing words won’t help anyone, especially not yourself.

    “We need another way to live but i remain deeply sceptical of the armchair activists like Flaming June, Herbie and our failed petty-politician Nevermind and such likes”

    So you need another way to live do you? so why do you exercise your few grey cells here, when you could be doing something about it. Ohh you are apathetic with political parties, diddums. So dependent on them aren’t you?, couldn’t possibly stand up yourself, oh no, what a shame, and to take the ‘losing’ against these party political crooks would really be to much for you.

    It is not me who is the loser, I got used to the masochismn that is British politics, its feckless little gnats like you, who just can’t be bothered.

    I wish you everything you deserve and desire.

    Now to an update on yesterdays incident two days ago in Norfolk. The chap who was beaten up by police is in Kings Lynn QE hospital awaiting an angiogramm at Papworth, he has no idea what or why the police did what they did. And apart from them trying to make out he assaulted the police,THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THE PRESS OR BBC ABOUT IT!

    This arrived this morning.
    “He had a heart attack and is on standby for an angiogram at Papworth, will be in hospital at least 5 days as standard, police gave him a good kicking, broke into his house, ransacked his office and took something they wanted??? but he has no idea what.

    10 police cars, incl 2 dog vans and I’m sure he said the shooting squad and helicopter … bit OTT !!
    He will be charged with assaulting a police officer on June 29th …..

    His phone is not working properly ….”

    I wonder why

  18. Sorry to hear that dreadful news Nevermind. Fascist bullies are at work. Arrests should be made.

    Have the EDP said anything yet? There was nothing yesterday when I looked. They even have buttons for Incinerator and Environment.

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/incinerator

  19. Holy heck …

    “Vatican offers ‘time off purgatory’ to followers of Pope Francis tweets”

    Papal court handling pardons for sins says contrite Catholics may win ‘indulgences’ by following World Youth Day on Twitter

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/16/vatican-indulgences-pope-francis-tweets

  20. Christ! Goodness!, Dreoilin. The Dark Ages are coming round again. I’ve suspected this for a while, but now I know.

    I need to find the official tariff of charges and discounts for Purgatory, btw. Anyone? Is it on the internet? All I get when I Google them is this:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g33397-d1486100-Reviews-Purgatory_Lodge_at_Durango_Mountain_Resort-Durango_Colorado.html

    I suspect I will be staying for a while, and it looks expensive.

  21. Nevermind,
    I am wondering if it might have something to do with this earlier event (roundup on 5th July)..

    http://www.wisbechstandard.co.uk/news/breaking_news_police_name_11_suspects_on_false_imprisonment_and_assault_charges_due_in_court_today_1_2265364

    Sounds like they were tooled up for organised crime.

  22. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Jul, 2013 - 12:34 pm

    @Nevermind. 11 29am

    “…vile, endearing words…”

    To me they seem to sit badly with continual advice about deep stuff.

    The sermons come from one who gives the impression of being one of a superior group who are doing all the inner heavy-lifting, while the rest of us poor unfortunate ignoramuses wast our energy on trifling worldly matters .

    Would the great teacher so often invoked have thought that clicking to a blog that causes such regular verbal eruptions should be done with extreme caution, maybe in the presence of a mentor, for an occasional bit homework?

    The pupil might then carefully visit the site and look deep to identify where those words and judjements are coming from.

    Best every week or so, so as to have suficcient for all that inner work.

    In the meantime, back here, we can chew over…. lets see…
    …monarchy – what an anachronism!

    …the bankers’ putsch – still has our leaders grovelling and dismantling both national sovereignty and those parts of the state which most benefit society!

    …the secret and overt use of destructive state violence for private gain – a superpower running amok!

    …and a hunderd other other matters which, for our kids, will determine the world they inherit and adversely blight all their futures.

    Their future. Now those are things worth being passionate about.

  23. Komodo, nice try, but no, nowt to do with that, he is an inventor.

  24. Craig- great to see you on the road to recovery.

    The news of the latest official whitewash will, I trust, not send your blood pressure rising…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23341597

  25. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 1:20 pm

    SaVile contd.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1116790/thatcher-pushed-for-jimmy-savile-knighthood

    ZBC have spent £5m on their SaVile inquiries so far. For what purpose? Just a few manager types have been booted out with nice packages to leave.

    They have also handed over £14m to Clarkson. Austerity. What austerity? Laughing in our faces?

    Top Gear: Jeremy Clarkson netted more than £14m from show last year
    Presenter received £4.8m dividend and £8.4m share buyout from BBC Worldwide, plus his presenter’s salary of nearly £1m
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/16/jeremy-clarkson-top-gear-bbc-worldwide

    He is part of the Rebekah Brooks/Elisabeth Murdoch ‘Chipping Norton’ grouping so double black marks for him.

  26. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Jul, 2013 - 1:21 pm

    Nevermind 12 51pm

    “…he is an inventor…” and so clearly needing his state’s industrialised repression experience. Pour décourager Les Autres. Nous sommes tous Les Autres. Chacun d’entre nous!

    Why would “the state” want social or technical inventiveness outside the boxes flagged in the corporate media as “acceptable?”

  27. …he is an inventor.

    That should seal his anonymous fate , then. Dangerous people, inventors. They invent stuff, you know. Requires original thinking thoughtcrime.

    Would any word be possible of what he invents? Might it be relevant?

  28. Snap, Sofia. But it may be nothing to do with the death ray he is building for al-Qaeda. It may just be that the police don’t like him (see Flaming June 17 Jul, 2013 – 10:33 am )

    FJ -He is part of the Rebekah Brooks/Elisabeth Murdoch/David Cameron ‘Chipping Norton’ grouping…

    FIFY

  29. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Jul, 2013 - 1:34 pm

    @Komodo.1 29pm

    Good to see you’ve digested that goat enough to crawl back.

    What an exhibition that was!

  30. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 1:39 pm

    Can you imagine Agent Cameron dressed as The Stig?

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/helen-lewis-hasteley/2011/07/clarkson-cameron-rebekah

    What shallow people.

  31. On the matter of how we appoint a head of state, I rather keen on the idea of a hereditary monarchy.
    This isn’t for romantic reasons but purely practical ones.
    The problem with an elected head of state is that we would almost certainly have some sort of restricted list of potential candidates to choose from.
    The candidates would either be self selecting ( heaven forbid) or chosen by some Falkirkesque cabal or less than transparent committee potentially with their own agenda. Who chooses the choosers!
    Something a bit less manipulated and arbitrary is what I have in mind.
    We could simply choose our head of state at random and by lots….everyone on the voters roll automatically entered in the draw, or simply have a good old fashioned hereditary system ….how more arbitrary can it get than that?

  32. No, not yet Komodo, I know of his name but shan’t use it here. I shall let you know when I know, via email.

  33. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Jul, 2013 - 1:53 pm

    @Dreoilin. 11 33am

    “If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities.”
    Voltaire

    Seems he understood a thing or two.

  34. Komodo,

    Tripadvisor! That cracked me up. Nice looking place though.

    [I was under the impression that Limbo, Purgatory, and especially indulgences, had been done away with long ago.]

    And Sofia, yes, if we believe absurdities … and to marry tweets with ‘time off purgatory’ … grotesque somehow. My mind has not quite finished boggling.

    Idiots

  35. alexander's head on a stick

    17 Jul, 2013 - 2:29 pm

    Right, Tony, they have not started on the Fourth Amendment yet, much less

    – the human right to privacy, UDHR Article 12, part of federal common law and of the common law of every state, and ICCPR Article 17, supreme law of the land by Constitution Article VI and equivalent to federal statute, with which the US is bound by treaty to comply at all levels of government;

    – The human right to freedom of association, UDHR Article 20, federal and state common law, and ICCPR Article 22, supreme law of the land equivalent to federal statute, with which the US is bound to comply at all levels of government;

    – Or the human right to seek and obtain information, UDHR Article 19, federal and state common law, and ICCPR Article 19, supreme law of the land equivalent to federal statute, with which all levels of the US government are bound to comply.

    Best of all, since the US has signed the International Court of Justice statute, the rights above must interpreted based on international precedents and experts in international law. These rights can’t be perverted or waved away by the US judges that NSA spies on and blackmails. Every country in the world can pile on to enforce those legal rights on the US pariah state.

  36. and more from (almost) the same quarter

    Some here will be aware of the Magdalene laundries

    “Taoiseach Enda Kenny has called on the four religious orders who ran the Magdalene laundries to “reflect” on their refusal to pay into a redress scheme for the survivors.”

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/kenny-asks-orders-to-reflect-on-refusal-to-pay-redress-1.1466287

  37. And here is a rightly appreciative comment about our tabloidal excretions in Britain, especially that of the misogynist Daily Mail.

    Habby, wisely listen to Sophia and take your blue pill before you watch this delightful response.

    http://amandapalmer.net/blog/20130713/

  38. In fairness, if Habbabkuk told Mary to, “take your blue pill before you watch this delightful response”, all hell would break loose.

  39. Re the Ben Franklin quote – “In our democracy, you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater when no fire exists.”

    Quite so, in a real democracy. But the problem in a country that is a sham democracy without real freedom of speech/press is that people are scared to speak out even when fire does exist. Think of the Sir Jimmy Savile pedophile scandal that is now being brushed under the table. Sure a few minor celebrities have been exposed, but the big boys are walking away unscathed.

  40. Jake

    That’s a rather confused argument.

    You say

    “The problem with an elected head of state is that we would almost certainly have some sort of restricted list of potential candidates to choose from.”

    and you then propose as a solution to this restricted list that we should

    “simply have a good old fashioned hereditary system”

    I’m not sure that it could get more restricted than er restricting it to the Windsor breeding machine.

    Anyway. The real issue here is what sort of system is produced by monarchy. We’ve seen that it produces an elective dictatorship, allowing extremists like Blair and Thatcher to do as they please.

    That’s the price of monarchy. The rest is distraction.

  41. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Jul, 2013 - 3:58 pm

    @Nevermind. 2 32pm

    Happy hour’s a bit early today, is’nt it?

    I only came in for a cuppa but forgot it completely for the whole brilliant 5mins 53secs.

    Pure genius! Thanks.

  42. H’s need is greater than Mary’s, Dreo….

    blue pill

  43. With which, Komodo, you have brought the thread full circle, back on theme, i.e. we are not dead yet

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHNyOhl75P8

  44. lol @ Nevermind. Far from it!

    Re. Fourth Amendment, invocation of, against NSA datamining…

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/nsa-spying-now-protected-from-any-challenges-under-the-fourth-amendment/

    Supreme court has ground cut from under it – legal recourse is disabled.

  45. Here’s an interesting backgrounder on the coup more generally known as The Glorious Revolution:

    Whilst the religious distraction is still celebrated today in The Twelfth, Guy Fawkes etc, this is the important purposeful bit.

    “William’s wars profoundly changed the British state. Their massive cost led not only to growth of modern financial institutions – most notably the Bank of England founded in 1694″

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/civil_war_revolution/glorious_revolution_01.shtml

    Then there’s the small matter of its having left us with an elective dictatorship.

  46. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 4:46 pm

    Ref pills. Was it necessary to use my name specifically Dreoilin?

    ~~~~~~
    Malala has received this letter from a member of the Taliban.

    http://www.channel4.com/media/c4-news/images/730_wide_images/Malala_letter.pdf

    http://www.channel4.com/news/malala-taliban-letter-commander-exclusive

  47. I suppose it doesn’t matter much what system of government you have, if a small cabal can alternatively, blackmail and/or buy holders of significant offices of state.

    I wonder what they do with those pure souls who can neither be bought nor blackmailed.

    No. Not that.

    Media mostly just ignores them:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6m1XbWOfVk

  48. Komodo 17 Jul, 2013 – 9:33 am

    HM The Queen has never been to Israel. Because it would risk souring our relations with the oil states, it is said.

    OK, it’s a tenuous connection, but I’ll use it to raise the subject of Prince Charles’ circumcision in 1948 by Rabbi Jacob Snowman, M.D., who was the official Mohel (ritual circumciser) of the London Jewish community. It’s always struck me as a peculiarly meaningful act which the official explanation – if you want something done, get an expert – doesn’t really cover. I am at a loss, though, to suggest what that meaning may be. Can anybody here suggest a plausible explanation as to why the ‘Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church of England’ should have her son circumcised in such a manner?

  49. Seems they’re still talking about the snip in The Jewish Chronicle

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/circumcision-decision-will-the-royals-get-snippy-if-its-a-boy-for-kate-middleton-8381603.html

    “Charles’s wife Princess Diana was said to be opposed to the idea, and most royal observers believe she broke with 150 years of royal tradition by not having Princes William and Harry circumcised at birth.”

    Darling, Diana.

    I think it’s best to keep all your bits until you try them out. If you subsequently find you don’t need a bit then snip away.

  50. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 5:07 pm

    Agent Cameron has fallen into line with the tobacco and alcohol industries by refusing to a) introduce plain cigarette packaging and b) minimum alcohol pricing.

    This is Alcohol Concern’s take on the latter:
    http://www.alcoholconcern.org.uk/media-centre/news/minimum-unit-pricing

    and one of his MPs on the cigarette packaging. She should know. She was a GP.
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/sarah-wollaston-tories-are-pandering-to-election-strategists-on-plain-packaging/

  51. This is odd.

    “The body of Michael Hastings, the journalist who was killed in suspicious circumstances in a car crash last month, has reportedly been returned to his family after being cremated without their permission. The reports raise fresh questions about the crash and whether it was really an accident.”

    Apparently his wife has hired a private detective, and there is a lawyer out there somewhere with documents relating to whatever story he was working on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6EGFJDxxME&feature=player_embedded

  52. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 6:06 pm

    Herbie; He was burned pretty badly. Are you sure they burned him, again? It would be outrageous since toxicology could still have been performed independently, which is the only way I would trust the results of an autopsy done by LA coroner.

  53. Ben

    Cremation is a much more substantial burning than that achieved in a car fire or even an explosion.

  54. Ben,

    Here’s a rare mainstream media link which also says body was cremated against family wishes and has some more interesting details

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5raJDwJv97E

  55. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 6:22 pm

    I see I should revisit my free-speech metaphor.

    Just as freedom doesn’t mean ‘do whatever you want’, no matter how it adversely affects others, is not freedom. True freedom implies some responsibility in the actions of individuals.

    So too, free-speech is not an absolute. There are proscribed behaviors in order to qualify.

    That is all. Carry on.

  56. Shir Hever argues that the latest sanctions by the EU against outfits operating in the Occupied Territories are a result of the EU’s desire to distance itself from Israel’s crimes against humanity.

    This is much bigger than BDS.

    http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10445

  57. Ben, I normally wouldn’t quote GLP forum but as one anonymous contributor put it

    So let me get this straight. A very well respected journalist was working on his “biggest story yet” about the NSA. He then became paranoid and said he was going into hiding because he was being followed. He then talks to a lawyer and tells his coworkers not to talk to the FBI. Then his car goes through at least 2 intersections at a very high rate of speed and crashes, bursting into flames. There are no skid marks. Then the coroner cremates the body against the family’s wishes. Then a local reporter interviews the family and is threatened? Just making sure I’m clear so far.

    To which someone has replied

    Yes, you are quite clear and let me translate the whole thing down into three words:

    AMERICA IS DEAD

    Then the thread got unpinned from the front page immediately after that.

  58. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 6:33 pm

    Thanks Herbie and AlcAnon.

    I wonder why the family, including the journo widow, would not be crying from the rooftops.

    I hope they’re working on their own case under the radar, but I sure have questions for all of them.

  59. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 6:35 pm

    I lurk at GLP just to pick up tidbits. Sometimes they say something important.

  60. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 6:49 pm

    I’m naive enough to think LATimes might respond to this Hastings business, so I emailed them a tip.

    We’ll see….

  61. Shir Hever with a wonderful deconstruction of Israel’s increasingly desperate efforts to cast critics of its crimes against humanity as anti-semitic.

    Mentions our hasbara chums, and watch out for Mossad too:

    http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10276

  62. Dreoilin
    17 Jul, 2013 – 3:05 pm
    ‘In fairness, if Habbabkuk told Mary to, “take your blue pill before you watch this delightful response”, all hell would break loose.’

    +1 Dreoilin for fairness, lateral thinking and straight-on objectivity — not much of it around. They’re all busy forming cliques, to what end i don’t know.

    There’s also another odd dimension about dragging Sophia into it, which she never minded:

    Nevermind
    17 Jul, 2013 – 2:32 pm
    “Habby, wisely listen to Sophia and take your blue pill before you watch this delightful response.”

    Has Sophia said this previously or is Nevermind using Sophia’s shoulders to fire off?

    Ever so subtle, but i wonder why? Is this lonely Nevermind’s (who can’t seem to take off for his holiday despite several threats) way of cosying up to, and taking advantage of, the little pre-pubescent Sophia? If so it seems to be working.

    Also, wonder why Nevermind was bristling at being called a failed-petty-politician, when he has self-declared all these facts here for himself?

  63. Ben this gets curiouser and curiouser. Please keep us posted.

  64. Sofia, “To me they seem to sit badly with continual advice about deep stuff.”

    You’ve obviously completely got it wrong. Far be it from me to give you free advice. I am here to share my observations and discuss. I noted that you haven’t picked up on any debate about the ‘deep stuff’ despite your initial expressed interest. All in good time.

    Meantime, carry on with your memorisation of ‘narratives’ and don’t forget to recite them daily here. We’ll see daily how far you get with them and what difference it makes.

  65. In other news

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/491408/20130717/neo-nazi-werewolf-cell-police-raids-homes.htm

    Neo-Nazi Werewolf Cell: Police Raid Homes in Germany, Netherlands and Switzerland

    Police in Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland have raided the homes and offices of an underground Nazi-style “Werewolf” terrorist group suspected of plotting to overthrow the German government.

    In Germany, 50 police officers targeted six people in Hannover and Hamburg but no arrests were made, said the federal prosecutor.

    “The group’s objective was apparently to overthrow the political system of the Federal Republic of Germany,” the prosecutor said.

    …The Werewolf raids came after Norwegian black metal musician Kristian “Varg” Vikernes, who had links to mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik, was arrested in France on suspicion he was preparing a major terrorist attack.

  66. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 7:47 pm

    Good one to Jon Snow from Ed Murray on Medialens.

    Snowmail: “Taliban letter to schoolgirl Malala: Why we shot you…”…short email to 6 Pilgers
    Posted by Ed on July 17, 2013, 7:33 pm

    Mr Snow,
    In today’s “Snowmail”, you say “Malala has been supported by Gordon Brown and his wife Sarah. I will be talking to the former prime minister later in the programme.”

    In the interests of balance and perspective, will you be asking the former prime minister about the support he and Sarah are giving to the untold thousands of children who were shot, maimed and traumatised during the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, invasions that he facilitated and bankrolled as Chancellor Of The Exchequer under Tony Blair?

    Ed Murray

    (I can’t remember why Snow is called 6 Pilgers on the MLMB)

  67. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    Pretty good analysis of the crash. “Calculated that for the engine (tranny) to go 130 ft the car would have to be traveling 250 mph’ and how did it fly THROUGH the tree?

    http://farganne.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/two-car-bombs-at-the-hastings-crash-the-evidence/

  68. “(I can’t remember why Snow is called 6 Pilgers on the MLMB)”

    Michael White said that Jon Snow was worth six of Jon Pilger.

    Medialensers now call Snow 6 Pilgers in ironic tribute. They sometimes use it in emails to Snow and you can see him getting rattled.

    Michael White is of course a complete plonker too.

  69. Thanks for that, Ben.

    It’s great that Villager is so interested in this story. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen Villager discuss anything of substance before.

  70. True for the most part our definitions of ‘substance’ are markedly different. Carry on with your great change-the world-campaign and let me know how you get on.

  71. Its Zen Koan time again:-

    Was Mr Cause n Effect more SILENT than the Pope of Rome during Rwanda genocide or during WW2?

    All answers to be submitted to Rwanda Embassy as they are at it AGAIN.

  72. “our definitions of ‘substance’ are markedly different”

    Absolutely. Your definition seems only to include discussion of some posters and sucking up to others.

    Be sure and let me know how you get on with that, eh.

  73. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 8:21 pm

    Wow! There’s money in them thar Krishnamurti hills!

    KRISHNAMURTI FOUNDATION TRUST LTD Charity NO 312865
    Activities

    TO ADVANCE THE EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC IN PHILOSOPHY, SOCIOLOGY, PSYCHOLOGY AND COMPARATIVE RELIGION AND IN PARTICULAR TO PROMOTE IN THOSE FIELDS THE STUDY OF THE TEACHINGS OF JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI.

    Income £2,136,795
    Spending £1,791,660

    http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/find-charities/

    And there’s even a handy branch in Israel.
    Krishnamurti Committee Israel

    Avraham Jacoby
    Shear Iashoov St No 3/14
    Ramat Gan 52276
    ISRAEL
    Phone: +972 0545608017
    Email: jacobya@azrieli.com
    go to website…

    Ramat Gan is a settlement near Tel Aviv. Centre of the diamond industry etc.

    To think I initially fell for the stuff.

  74. Ben,

    I don’t buy that analysis. I think the car hit a fire hydrant before it hit the palm tree. Transmission may have been ripped off when it drove over the hydrant then continued its own way at high speed. Hydrant could be seen gushing in earliest videos before any fire engines arrived. I am >90% certain he hit the hydrant first anyway, at least based based on early video at scene.

  75. Herbie i shan’t gratify you with your pathetic point scoring tactics. You were warned by Habby yesterday and put on the mat for Craig’s words of standards he expects.

    ” and sucking up to others.”

    Put up your examples…

  76. [Mod/Jon: please avoid the word “bigot”, thanks. Post removed since it was mainly a personal attack.]

  77. “And there’s even a handy branch in Israel …
    Ramat Gan is a settlement near Tel Aviv. Centre of the diamond industry etc.
    To think I initially fell for the stuff.”

    I don’t know what that means, Mary, but maybe you’d read up on this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

    (A member of my family tends to quote Krishnamurti too. Feck all to do with Israel.)

  78. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Jul, 2013 - 8:52 pm

    @Villager. 7 35pm

    “I am here to share my observations and discuss.”

    Is that why you regularly post here giving us impenetrable interpretations of the message of your spiritual teacher. You tell us how you’ve analysed our ignorance and faults, and hand out disrespectful judgements, often using pretty intemperate language.

    It’s your business who you choose to believe and follow. Also it’s up to you how you conduct your inner journey and what judgements you form, however low, of other posters here.

    But isn’t the point of posting on comment threads to share information and test and challenge opinions, outlooks and narratives? Isn’t it good to see other styles and takes on things and also have a bit of banter?

    Why are you wasting your time pronouncing public judgements on the perceived weaknesses of other posters when, by your own admission, you believe you would be better occupied using your precious time on the important inner work?

    Why do you visit here at all when it gets you so wound-up and uncentred?

    If a poster comments on the styles and personalities of other posters, surely it’s ok to challenge them with the occasional bit of teasing? We can all tell the difference between banter and bullying.

    What about the issues?

    How do you think the growing police state in the UK can be rolled back for example?

    Why, do you think when people like David Kelly or Michael Hastings die unusual deaths, after telling their friends and colleagues that they are worried for their safety, there are so many odd circumstances?

    And then there is always 65years of the disaster being inflicted on the Palestinian people. How does a globally connected communtiy find a way to bring a just resolution to this mess?

    Let’s be honest, our posting faults are really not that important in the great scheme of things and we can all go on working things out for ourselves with whatever teachers and companions we choose.

    Why not go easy on the fractious stuff?

  79. Sofia, i don’t know what the word spiritual means. I don’t do interpretations. The stuff is there to read verbatim. If you ask me a question i will reply based on who i am not some interpretations.

    Don’t worry about me being wound-up — i don’t. Don’t misinterpret my observations as springing from being wound-up. All relationships/communication are mirrors and yes we learn from each other, but that does not mean i have to submit to your test.

    Btw you didn’t have a problem with the Nevermind firing at Habby about blue pills off your shoulder. Is this what passes for camaraderie and Neverminds rants about the stray cat for humour around here?

    I watch keenly how you comrades-in-arms are going to make one gitmo of a difference to this conflicted world.

    http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-video/can-we-together-create-a-good-society-full-version.php

  80. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 9:04 pm

    AlcAnon; You saw the data for 250 mph for the engine to rest 130 ft away? If it was the hydrant first causing the drivetrain to separate, how much faster would the car need to be travelling?

  81. Flaming June

    ““And there’s even a handy branch in Israel …
    Ramat Gan is a settlement near Tel Aviv. Centre of the diamond industry etc.
    To think I initially fell for the stuff.”

    Just wonder if there are any human beings living in Ramat Gan? Sorry for the simplicity of the question.

    PS this am you wrote me that you didn’t want me to mention your name or engage you? What happened? Are you missing Habbabkuk’s attentions?

  82. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 9:13 pm

    No way. Why did you have a dig at me at 7.25pm is the question? It’s like having someone talk about you behind your back. Not very Krishnamurti of you.

  83. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Jul, 2013 - 9:15 pm

    @Villager.9 04pm

    “Btw you didn’t have a problem with the Nevermind firing at Habby about blue pills off your shoulder.”

    You use interesting imagery to describe what seems to me to be a little light-hearted teasing.

    Let’s talk about the real issues now.

  84. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    Flaming Mary’s shameful post at 20h21 on the charity “Krishnamurti Foundation Trust” has already received a well-made and justifies rebuke from Dreoilin at 20h51, and therefore I shall not add a further rebuke but confine myself to the following question :

    does Flaming Mary now disapprove of the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust because of its over-£2 million income and around-£1,7 million expenditure, or because it has a branch in Israel?

  85. [Mod/Jon: removed post made exclusively for personal attacks. Please stay on whatever the topic is]

  86. I’m very glad Craig has come through his ordeal and is feeling better. Good health, Craig!

  87. Ben,

    It’s not the entire engine + transmission that travelled that distance. It’s just the transmission. At least on the photos I’ve seen.

  88. Yes Sofia it was very interesting that he dragged your name in to make it your recommendation. You didn’t seem to object. I told you thismorning your apology to Habby was insincere. Do you still deny it?

  89. Flaming June

    17 Jul, 2013 - 9:30 pm

    Good piece here on the hypocrisy of Ann Clywdd.

    UK Foreign Secretary Supports Prosecution of War Crimes
    “Whoever they are.”
    by Felicity Arbuthnot / July 17th, 2013

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/07/uk-foreign-secretary-supports-prosecution-of-war-crimes/

    Note that Hague omits any mention of the prosecution of Israeli war criminals. They have of course been given immunity from prosecution under changes to universal jurisdiction by his government when they sneaked the amendment to the Police Reform Act.

    CFoI crowing from the rooftops here.
    http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/Campaigns/UniversalJurisdiction/

    Almog cancelled. Good. Gantz came. Bad.

    From the News for Justice for Palestinians website.
    UK grants immunity for one IDF general; another stays at home
    This posting has these items:
    1) Times of Israel: IDF chief visits UK for first time in a decade ;
    2) Ynet news: IDF chief Gantz to visit London ;
    3) PCHR: Suspected War Criminal Lt. General Gantz Offered ‘Special Mission’ Immunity Before Visit to the UK, July 2nd, 2013;
    4) Ha’aretz: Fear of arrest still prevents Israeli officials from visiting Britain Almog cancels, May 2013;
    5) BBC: Police feared ‘airport stand-off’, a 2008 attempt by Maj-Gen Almog to enter the UK;
    6) Ministry of Justice; Universal Jurisdiction, Government briefing on change in law

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=45384

  90. “Flaming June
    17 Jul, 2013 – 9:13 pm
    No way. Why did you have a dig at me at 7.25pm is the question? It’s like having someone talk about you behind your back. Not very Krishnamurti of you.”

    First i am no more K’s alter ego than i see you as Arafat’s alter ego. So i have no idea of what “Not very Krishnamurti of you”
    means. Anyway you declared you nearly fell for the stuff so its not a very meaningful statement is it?

    I’ll answer your question about the dig if you first tell me, in your opinion are there any human beings at all in Israel or in that suburb mentioned above? Plus Habby’s pertinent questions please.

  91. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 9:41 pm

    @ Herbie

    Good to see that you’re up and about and again posting on the UK constitution and the Monarchy.

    This gives me the occasion to revert to your post of yesterday, which I reproduce hereafter for readers’ ease of reference :

    “There are two answers to Britain’s recurrent problem in having a constitutional setup that almost always produces an elective dictatorship.

    1. Abolish the monarchy and elect an executive president with real power.

    2. Strengthen parliament and make the electoral system more representative of the people.

    2. is what’s normally proposed these days, but they don’t ever seem to get around to it.

    1. is easier. You just need media to work their Diana magic again.”
    ____________

    Just to help me understand your “answer” No 1 a little better: as an answer to the problem of the “elective dictatorship” (an all-powerful executive arising out of the legislature and against which the legislature can do little)… you are suggesting the abolition of the Monarchy, which has little legislative and no executive power, and its replacement by an “executive” President with “real” power??

    Glad if you could explain this rather puzzling statement.

    Thank you!

  92. “does Flaming Mary now disapprove of the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust because of its over-£2 million income and around-£1,7 million expenditure, or because it has a branch in Israel?”

    And that would include an excellent boarding school, not far from London called Brockwood Park where they tailor education to raise a new kind of human being with heightened levels of awareness. If i am not mistaken Dr David Bohm was a trustee,

    http://brockwood.org.uk

  93. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 10:08 pm

    I have relatives both by blood and marriage. Some of them I avoid because arguments arise. When I have to be around them, I studiously avoid talking with them about anything other than the weather or health matters. Isn’t that better than spoiling gatherings for others? Enquiring minds ask those questions.

  94. Sofia

    “And then there is always 65years of the disaster being inflicted on the Palestinian people. How does a globally connected communtiy find a way to bring a just resolution to this mess?”

    I don’t know what you mean by a globally connected community in this context, but why don’t you tell us how we will ”
    find a way to bring a just resolution to this mess?”

  95. Ben, thats a sane response and healthy pragmatic approach. Because of my deep appreciation of ayurveda, a science based holistic approach, i even tend to avoid discussing health.

    But Flaming Mary seems to have sought me out from across the other side of the room. I had predicted it’d be Hotter than July. We’ll see if she has rather more than clerical input to K’s UK charity or why their is a branch in Israel! LOL. With this level of what passes for activism today what hope can we have?

  96. And as there seems to be a lot of confusion in various forums and in the media about the Washington/UCSD research on car hacking. I have seen it frequently stated that the university researchers needed to physically compromise the car and attach a device before remote control was possible. That was the subject of their earlier 2010 paper. Their 2011 paper proved that they did not need physical access. They could compromise the car by numerous methods including bluetooth , cellular, car-hifi (infected MP3s, infected CDs) etc. Once compromised and new server code loaded an attack could be initiated simply at a suitable later time via bluetooth or incoming phone call.

    No access to physical car electronics needed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHfOziIwXic
    http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-usenixsec2011.pdf

  97. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 10:29 pm

    Flaming June’s post at 21h30 on the subject of Universal Jurisdiction and the visit to the UK of Israeli Chief of Staff Gantz includes the following :

    “Note that Hague omits any mention of the prosecution of Israeli war criminals. They have of course been given immunity from prosecution under changes to universal jurisdiction by his government when they sneaked the amendment to the Police Reform Act.”
    _______________

    This statement is inaccurate and misleading and therefore requires correction by a re-statement of the FACTS. These are as follows:

    1/. The UK’s “Universal Jurisdiction” legislation provided before its amendment – and still provides, subsequent to its amendment, that anyone (ie, individuals or groups) can apply to the UK courts for an arrest warrant to ensure that those accused of certain crimes committed abroad(notably war crimes specified in the UK’s Geneva Conventions Act (1957), torture and hostage-taking) face justice in the UK, provided of course that those so accused find themselves in territories under UK jurisdiction.

    2/. The change introduced by the Police Reform Act to which Flaming June refers requires that the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions is now required before such an arrest warrant is issued in Universal Jurisdiction cases brought by individuals or groups.

    (To be noted that the DPP is a civil servant; the original intention of the govt was that the Attorney General’s – a politician and member of the govt – consent should be required).

    The objective of this change was to prevent abuse by individuals or groups seeking to make a political statement or to cause embarassment.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The above should make it clear that it is misleading and inaccurate to state, as Flaming June does, that the change gives blanket immunity from prosecution under the UK’s Universal Jurisdiction legislation to “Israeli war criminals”.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Flaming June is conflating this change with the granting of “Special Mission” status to General Gantz’s visit to the UK. This is a specific prerogative of the govt and what it means, in practice, is that the govt has barred the DPP from giving consent to prosecute should an individual or group attempt to seek an arrest warrant against General Gantz.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I of course stand willing to be corrected by Flaming June should any of the above be factually wrong.

  98. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 10:34 pm

    Sorry, one line of my post should have read as follows :

    “..that the govt has barred the DPP from giving consent to THE ISSUING OF AN ARREST WARRANT should an individual or group attempt…etc”

  99. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 10:38 pm

    @ Ben (22h08)

    A nice one, Ben, but we are not in a socail gathering with friends or relatives, are we.

    Furthermore, your plea for “dissidents” to keep silent amounts to saying that certain posters should be able to say whatever they like without running to risk of being questioned or contradicted, doesn’t it.

    Stiff upper lip and bite on your tongue, huh? It’s just tosh.

  100. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 10:46 pm

    I made no such plea, so perhaps you should check the barmymeter. You can rattle on all day and all night. It matters not a wit to me, but then you know that already. You move on to greener pastures when the milk goes sour, unless you can get a self-satisfying rise from someone, anyone.

  101. Yikes you lot, giving me work to do! Again, if squabbling could be avoided, that’d be grand. Perhaps if people see their name taken in vain in some way, if it is just a minor swipe, just ignore it. I appreciate it’s hard to do, but please rise above.

    One thing that might be worth consideration is this. If the topic is, say, alleged war criminals and their prosecution, write several paragraphs about what you think about it, possibly including the practicality of one approach or another. Have a discursive approach in your discourse, but, of course, please do not insist that one person or another answer you. Excessive focus on one person is discouraged, still.

    G’night all.

  102. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 10:53 pm

    ” if it is just a minor swipe, just ignore it.”

    Balsam in Gilead, Jon. Thanks. You may have saved me from the tall weeds of acrimony.

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 10:59 pm

    @ Ben Franklin (22h46)

    “I made no such plea,”

    ______________

    So what did you mean by (at 22h08)

    “I studiously avoid talking with them about anything other than the weather or health matters…” ?

  104. Habby asks

    “Just to help me understand your “answer” No 1 a little better: as an answer to the problem of the “elective dictatorship” (an all-powerful executive arising out of the legislature and against which the legislature can do little)… you are suggesting the abolition of the Monarchy, which has little legislative and no executive power, and its replacement by an “executive” President with “real” power??

    Glad if you could explain this rather puzzling statement.”

    It’s not puzzling so long as you understand the issues and aren’t fetishistic about the elements making up the constitution. I understand many are led to such views by our poor media, but still.

    You see, it’s all about balances between.

    The current elective dictatorship problem is produced by having an executive in parliament, which also controls parliament.

    So if you remove the executive from parliament and elect it directly, then parliament can hold this external exectutive to account, they each having their own idependent mandate and indeed constitutional role.

    dferstand many are led to such views by our poor media

  105. resident dissident

    17 Jul, 2013 - 11:05 pm

    There is a good chance tomorrow that courts in Kirov will sentence Alexei Navalny, the Russian blogger and whistleblower on corruption in Russia, to a prison sentence on what looks very much like a manufactured corruption charge. Alexei has not sought to run away from Russia and it is reported that he will be taking spare clothed to the court tomorrow in case the worst happens.

    I suspect that there is also a good chance that the Russian authorities will also try and provide some cover for their prosecution of Alexei Navalny by announcing their granting of asylum to Edward Snowden.

    Alexei is a very brave and courageous person who also runs a Russian version of Wikileaks – which unlike Wikileaks which does not have any readily accesible leaks on its website relating to Russia dated after 2008 – contains many leaks in respect of corruption within Russia. Any true believers in liberty and freedom should be making their protests against the treatment of Alexei Navalny very clear and loud at this critical time.

    The silence coming from Wikileaks and the Assangistas on the treatment of Alexei Navalny is I’m afraid pretty deafening. Their “human rights” conference last week in Moscow said precious little about human rights in Russia and the panel even included Russian lawyers who had acted for the State in their attacks on non govermental organisations which are currently the focus of attack from the Russian authorities because they spout ideas and take actions that do not fit with the prevailing government ideology. That Assange (or his “independent” production company) receive regular payments from the state controlled Russia Today is also pretty well documented.

    It has been said by Luke Harding in his excellent book “Mafia State” that one of the best ways to understand Putin and the Russian government is by reading the novels of Mario Puzo. Those who understand the Russian government will know it is very unlikely that they will have granted favours to Assange and Snowden (who I believe has been very badly advised by Wikileaks in going to first China and than Russia) without wanting something in return.

  106. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 11:07 pm

    @ Jon

    Thank you for your comments. However : when someone posts misleading and/or wrong information I think you will agree that others have the perfect right – even the duty – to correct it?

    Moreover : I believe I have the perfect right to identify the poster to whom I’m responding on the above grounds. Of people object to being shown up they should take more care about what they write.

    And finally, I didn’t insist that Flaming June should reply – I invited her to correct me if I had got something wrong in my factual correction.

    Good night.

  107. “And that would include an excellent boarding school, not far from London called Brockwood Park where they tailor education to raise a new kind of human being with heightened levels of awareness”

    Now. Where have we heard that before.

    Leni…….it’s your closeup!

  108. Those of you with ins to the palace, would you ask Kate to push harder. A royal birth is the only event, short of an large asteroid hitting NYC, that can save us from endless jabbering about Martin/Zimmerman.

  109. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 11:17 pm

    @ Herbie (23h02)

    OK, thanks for that.

    This implies, I suppose, that you think the Ministers should also not be part of the legislature but chosen by the “President” (or directly elected like the President)? The US model, in other words?

  110. My attention was caught by this story in ‘Spiegel Online’ about Jimmy Carter saying “America has no functioning democracy,” which is quite a statement for an ex-pres.
    Here’s the Google translated website:
    http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fnsa-affaere-jimmy-carter-kritisiert-usa-a-911589.html&act=url

    But then I noticed that Carter said it in a speech “at a meeting of the ‘Atlantic Bridge’ in Atlanta,” and that reminded me of our old friend Adam Werritty, who was receiving funding at taxpayers’ expense to run a charity called ‘Atlantic Bridge’ founded by his, er, colleague Liam Fox, and whose aim seemed to be to promote the ‘common interests’ of dodgy corporations in the UK and USA. “Following criticism by regulators that the charity was too politically oriented to be eligible for charitable status, the UK wing disbanded in September 2011″ [Wikipedia].

    Looks like the US end of the operation is still going strong, but given the interests it promotes, eg Philip Morris, Texaco and McDonalds, one has to wonder if it’s a likely platform for a genuine attack on the credibilty of US democracy, or perhaps a vehicle to enhance his credibility in advance of some double-dealing statesmanship?

    I’ve never been fully convinced by his ‘efforts’ on behalf of Palestine. I’m keeping my eye on you, Mr Carter.

  111. “No access to physical car electronics needed.”

    And no reason whatsoever it would be avoided.

    I honestly don’t believe the black hats would choose a very difficult unreliable method over a simple sure fire one.

  112. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Jul, 2013 - 11:53 pm

    “I honestly don’t believe the black hats would choose a very difficult unreliable method over a simple sure fire one”

    I’m not sure I would dismiss it out of hand, but it does seem to be a bridge too far for exacting an outcome. There are many other ways to do him in which would still leave a reasonable doubt as to foul play. They are risk-averse.

    Now, if you’re talking the Men in Black…..

  113. A Node, in the original German it said “Atlantik-Brücke”

    http://www.atlantik-bruecke.org/eng/about-us/

    I remain a Carter fan.

  114. Fred, I’ve no really strong belief that the car was hacked. I think it plausible.

  115. Fred: “I honestly don’t believe the black hats would choose a very difficult unreliable method over a simple sure fire one”

    Those academics didn’t seem to consider it too difficult.

    Also it’s worth remembering that the links AlcAnon supplied [thanks] refer to an analysis done in 2011. We can reasonably speculate that any government agency with an interest in the potential of such hacking may well have had a head start over the researchers timewise, maybe access to the source code of various ECU ‘widgets’, possibly even an input into said code, and a further two years developing their techniques. Not to mention a vastly huger research budget.

    Given what those geeks had achieved by 2011 with very limited resources in a short time frame, I think it quite plausible that remote wireless car-hacking is available to the ‘black hats.’

  116. You’ re right, AlcAnon, Atlantik-Brücke isn’t Atlantic Bridge. However, a look at its history doesn’t re-assure me that Atlantik-Brücke is any more likely to sponor attacks on the USA’s democratic credentials than Atlantic bridge …

    “Eric M. Warburg (founder of the firm currently known as Warburg Pincus) was one of the founders of Atlantik-Brücke, together with legendary editor Marion Gräfin Dönhoff, Chancellor of Germany Helmut Schmidt and other leading Hamburg citizens. In those Cold War times, the U.S. was looking for influence on Germany. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) probably gave the idea for founding the Atlantik-Brücke; Eric M. Warburg was a friend and consultant for John J. McCloy, Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations and President of the World Bank. The Atlantik-Brücke is the German counterpart for the U.S. based American Council on Germany (members include US diplomats Richard Holbrooke and Henry Kissinger).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantik-Br%C3%BCcke.”

    I’ll bear your opinion of Carter in mind, but I’m still keeping my beady eye on him.

  117. Late night entertainment

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLBkYEzl700

    Do not analyze too deeply :-)

  118. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Jul, 2013 - 1:52 am

    Ok…so this is a new war….a generational battle of the bands

    Take THAT !!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5u8aARWAv4

  119. Ben,

    I recall chatting to a close relative of Jack Bruce who was apparently tripping on LSD at the time and claimed to be chasing a flying coat. As far as I was concerned he was wearing the coat.

    I wasn’t tripping as far as I recall but my memory is a bit shot.

    Ewige Blumenkraft!”

  120. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Jul, 2013 - 2:22 am

    AlcAnon;

    Kinda doubt it, unless it was just the afterglow from previously. But that’s judging it from my pov.

    But if he was, he’s the first musician I’ve ever heard who sounded good on L. Heh, I remember the Hollywood Bowl in say ’69(?) Santana opened and the next group was Youngbloods who I heard later were so freaked on some sunshine shit that they needed to come down and guzzled Rye whiskey. It wasn’t pretty.

    But Janis brought it back with her Kozmic Blues. Santana stole the show. The whole show. He was that good.

  121. Villager 17 Jul, 2013 – 12:01 am

    “What did the Flower-children bring us other than a popularisation of drugs?”

    Isn’t that enough? It was either that or world peace ….
    ….world peace would have been nice, but would I swap ….?

  122. Ben,

    i wasn’t suggesting your Cream Link was particularly LSD influenced. Just a related personal anecdote.

    Anyway goodnight :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx018

  123. Oh I see Ben. You misunderstand. Jack Bruce wasn’t tripping – the relative I was talking to was. I’m not important enough to have been talking to Jack Bruce himself obviously.

  124. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Jul, 2013 - 2:45 am

    No problems. It’s nice to have another late night jock spinning discs.

  125. Oh and I don;t think people chasing imaginary coats around buildings are typical of LSD trips either. Which is probably why it stuck in my mind. These things do…

  126. “Also it’s worth remembering that the links AlcAnon supplied [thanks] refer to an analysis done in 2011. We can reasonably speculate that any government agency with an interest in the potential of such hacking may well have had a head start over the researchers timewise, maybe access to the source code of various ECU ‘widgets’, possibly even an input into said code, and a further two years developing their techniques. Not to mention a vastly huger research budget.”

    Then again they could have just used Semtex and a timer then started a rumour on the internet about remote hacking ECUs so that anyone who suggests he was hit is immediately classed as a tin foil hat wearing nutter.

  127. We’re not dead yet, but Dr David Kelly is. In fact ten years ago today his body was found in a wood on Harrowdown Hill. There was never a completed inquest into his death and there are many unanswered questions about why the proper legal process was not followed.

    A peaceful vigil is to be held outside the Royal Courts of Justice between 2-4 pm where people will be wearing gags as a protest against the truth having been gagged. Allow my indulgence with this article which raises some of the problems connected with the case. I should be obliged if people would share the article. Thanks. Must go. Got a coach to catch.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2013/07/17/iraq-war-lies-and-dr-david-kellys-mysterious-death/

  128. Flaming June

    18 Jul, 2013 - 8:01 am

    Good John.

    This is one of the best articles I have read on the matter.

    David Kelly, ten years on: A spectacular failure of accountability
    Ironically, those calling for an inquest into David Kelly’s death – ten years on today – base their arguments on precisely the values held so dear by professional journalists: the need for a full, impartial appraisal of the facts without fear or favour.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2013/07/david-kelly-ten-years-spectacular-failure-accountability

  129. Flaming June

    18 Jul, 2013 - 8:05 am

    Whilst we continue to kill other humans with missiles from drones controlled via computer screens at RAF Waddington, these good people are facing charges following a protest there.

    Six arrested after drone protest at RAF Waddington
    UAVs are remotely controlled from the MoD base for use in Afghanistan against the Taliban
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/04/six-arrested-drone-protest-raf-waddington

    ‘Supporters of the six, who were arrested on suspicion of criminal damage, claim that police later visited homes in London and elsewhere and seized computer equipment.’

  130. Flaming June

    18 Jul, 2013 - 8:13 am

    Their trial takes place on 7th October.

    ‘The trial date of a Mansfield vicar accused of criminal damage after a break-in at RAF Waddington has been set.

    Rev Keith Hebden (pictured), based at St Peter’s, appeared before magistrates in Lincolnshire on 4th July along with five other defendants.

    The group, who claim they were staging a protest against the use of unmanned drone aircraft in Afghanistan, will go on trial on 7th October at Lincoln Magistrates’ Court.

    The group told the court that while they accepted they were on the Lincolnshire base without permission, they have pleaded not guilty to the charge on the grounds that they had “a lawful reason for being there to protest against the killing of civilians through the use of drones operated from RAF Waddington”.

    The other accused are Susan Clarkso (66) of Bath Street, Oxford, Christopher Cole (49), of Wilkins road, Oxford, Henrietta Cullinan (51), of Trumans Road, London, Martin Newell (45) of Mattison Road, London and Penelope Walker (62) of Gutham Street, Leicester.’

    http://www.chad.co.uk/news/crime/trial-date-set-for-mansfield-vicar-1-5834115

  131. Villager…OK, it’s a tenuous connection, but I’ll use it to raise the subject of Prince Charles’ circumcision….

    Seems Queen Victoria believed she was descended from King David as well as a procession of robber despots, and instituted the practice of circumcision of male heirs – it used to be pretty routine for plebs in the C of E too. Yet another item of traditional pageantry which is no more than 200 years old, (though it may actually have started with George 1.)

    I’d imagine that a descendant of King David gets a prosemitic snip as a matter of course, regardless of being the head of an heretical sect. Only Charles’s kosher flaying seems to have been public, however.

    There is probably no connection with the data which suggests that circumcised men are less prone to STD’s, although the extramarital tendencies of the present and several former heirs to the throne might suggest a practical reason for trimming them.

    Prince Charles is expected to visit Israel within the next three years, according to a sub – under – flunkey at the Palace, and I am sure the morphology of his dick will be a matter of extreme interest to Netanyahu. Especially if the latter is looking for (more) highly classified military equipment.

  132. @ Komodo. The incident in Norfolk, ending up with a man being beaten up and hospitalised with a heart attack, leaving his elderly mum scared and in fear what will happen next, was apparently caused by an over due parking fine being collected by bailiffs with police protection.

    A case for the lawyers from now on. This at a time when Norfolk police has to make 20% cuts and is suffering from an increased precept of only 1.985%, poor sods, somebody in that force is clearly not spending proportionally.

  133. Komodo, that circumcision stuff wrongly addressed — not my subject. Just pointing out, excuse the pun.

    Nice day at Level 3!

  134. @Nevermind – Christ almighty. Thanks. I hope the lawyers make mincemeat of the various authorities/PFI shills involved. Not a peep about this in the local media, I looked for a long time.

  135. Sofia Kibo Noh

    18 Jul, 2013 - 12:18 pm

    @Villager.10 08pm

    Re bringing resolution to 65years of Nabka, “…why don’t you tell us how?”

    Thanks for engaging at last on an issue.

    Well, we could start with working to uphold and strengthen international law.

    Then there’s The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. 

    Keeping the issue in the spotlight and all the diverse campaigning strategies can all play a part.

    The state of Israel has also contributed by destroying any credibility it ever had.

    And of course the IDF, by focusing it’s efforts on killing unarmed civilians, is no longer fit for purpose, as it showed the world last time it invaded Lebanon and came up against people with weapons.

    So I guess that should have it all sown up by lunch time.

    I’m off to enjoy the sunshine.

  136. @Komodo, no its not Mr. Wagg, its off the radar, as you said.
    @dearest Sofia Kibo Noh
    you write:
    ‘Keeping the issue in the spotlight and all the diverse campaigning strategies can all play a part.’

    This approach by the EU seems to have had the desirable effect of waking up the Israeli cabinet. Bibi says that he now ‘questions Europe’s neutrality’.

    Well its time to commemorate Bibi’s near decade of non communications with the Palestinian side for what it is, the resolve of an ignorant, a racialist with fascist attitudes towards Palestinians, a wall builder who rather creates violence when he runs out of idea’s then to step aside and let more moderate forces shape Israel.

    His latest outburst should be enough to stop all their special trade agreements with the EU.

    http://www.expatica.com/de/news/local_news/netanyahu-says-eu-funding-move-undermines-peace-efforts_269828.html

  137. I’m thinking it would be worth keeping an eye open for Mr. Wagg, just the same, if nemesis has not already overtaken him. And very odd that the incident you described involved (presumably civilian) “bailiffs”.

    The Cory Greenwashing Environmental Trust in Britain, like the CEO of Cory Environmental (got the contract for the KL incinerator), Peter Gerstrom, is very active in the charity sector, doing stuff unfortunately necessitated by us all being in it together except the bankers, etc.

    http://www.cetb.org.uk/stories/st_helens.html?iframe=true&width=80%&height=80%

  138. In addition to the huge taxpayer assistance via PFI that firms like Cory get, there’s always a multinational money sponge in the background. In this case, EISER. It’s probable that any hidden encouragement to councillors requiring incinerators can be found here, rather than in the waste company itself.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EISER_Infrastructure

  139. doug scorgie

    18 Jul, 2013 - 8:01 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    17 Jul, 2013 – 6:41 am

    “My questioning of la pensée unique on this blog is compared to shouting fire in a crowded theatre (and should therefore be sanctioned)?”

    “This reveals a slightly exaggerated sense of importance about this blog and a more than slightly exaggerated sense of self-importance on the part of some of the Eminences, I think.”

    HB your use of yet another uncommon term (la pensee unique) reveals not only your desire to impress (presumably because you feel inadequate) but also your inability to understand the terms and their correct usage.

  140. doug scorgie

    18 Jul, 2013 - 8:41 pm

    Flaming June
    17 Jul, 2013 – 10:33 am

    “Persecution of a young woman by Thames Valley Police.”
    “Private Eye In The Back: What Katie didn’t do”

    http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=in_the_back&issue=1344

    Mary thanks for that link; I must renew my Private Eye subscription.

    None of this comes as a surprise to me but most people in the UK, I suggest, would be sceptical about police wrongdoing (in this case or any other similar case).

    “She must have done something wrong” I hear them saying.

  141. “She must have done something wrong” I hear them saying.

    You bet, she did!

    She dated a fucking prick with plenty of attitude in a uniform .

    Although the question remains, how come a prick can wield such a power and along with his friends can rain crap on Jo Public without any let or hindrance, and pretty well free to do as they wish?

  142. Thanks for that hint Komodo, so how come EISNER is allowed to undermine British prospects abroad?
    To not support APP gas plasma resource processes in our local authorities and let US companies with a record of environmental breaches and court adjudications as long as my arm, blackmail local authorities with economic decline, should their contract be rescinded, is outrageous.

    How come EISNER infrastructure partners are dissing British know how and APP’s ground breaking prospects all over the world?

    about as unpatriotic as buying an aircraft carrier from France.

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