Blair and Kanye West are Prostitutes

by craig on September 2, 2013 2:00 pm in Uncategorized

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The Tony Blair House Journal (editor Alan Rusbridger) reports on Kanye West’s disgusting private performance for the Kazakh dictator and his family, and takes a sideswipe at David Cameron for visiting that country.

But peculiarly they fail to mention that Tony Blair receives US $4 million a year as a consultant to the worker murdering Kazakh dictator, and that Alistair Campbell and Jonathon Powell as well as Blair visit to give this support – which has included a behind the scenes campaign to help Nazarbaev win the Nobel Peace Prize, fortunately with no result to date.

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  1. “I appreciate this will disappoint a few people who believe that we should have a total free-for-all here. For anyone in that category, please appeal to Craig directly via the contact form (I will inform him separately anyway). Thanks.”

    That’s me, I’m an anarchist, perhaps because I was around on usenet before web forums existed and I’ve seen both systems in action.

    But anarchy isn’t about people being allowed to do as they want regardless of the harm it causes others, even anarchists have standards agreed by consensus, anarchy relies on people having a will to conform to those standards for the benefit of the community.

    I’ve kept out of the constant bickering in the past on the principle I didn’t have to read it but last night a line was crossed, his comments could have caused serious hurt to anyone reading this blog who was abused as a child. It is a subject which should be debated seriously not used to score cheap points.

  2. I agree Fed. Some people see this blog as a place to make all kinds of incongruous, and often, ill thought out comments that could offend. The topic was prostitutes who sell themselves to dictatorships with nefarious human rights’ records. It is the same culprits.

  3. @Anon

    You are missing the point, perhaps A Node was abused as a child, many children were.

    It is highly likely somebody reading his words was abused as a child. Society failed them then at least we can support them now.

  4. BrianFujisan : “But here is already a Sinister Post”

    For sure, there is something about the night with Anon, probably connected to the fact that it appears to be a carbon-copy clone of a certain trolling clown.

    Lo & Behold ! Up pops one of the resident contrarian dissidents, to lament the passing of the infamous Clown, with the following wail;

    “which is why this blog really has become next to useless”

    Now will he elaborate & explain this comment, or will he revert to non-engaging Troll like status ?

    Anon: “Habbabkuk wins the argument“

    Sure he does, just like all those other Losers (both senses) who had to pay-up substantial damages to Galloway for their not so sly enough smears.

    Anon: “This was clearly meant to show Node that you can’t just make up anything and be excused on the basis that you say it’s only your theory.”

    And Jon’s (long overdue) action is clearly meant to show everybody that there is indeed a limit to the vile & abusive vitriol you can hurl under the cover of pretending to make a point.

    Re Jon’s action, rather fittingly, a quote from Galloway himself, (on the hearing of Thatcher’s demise); “Tramp the dirt down”.

  5. Sofia Kibo Noh

    15 Sep, 2013 - 9:26 am

    Was that Petreas or Dad?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8CVYlMQSlY

    As they say “Céad míle fáilte”.

    Drumlins and sea inlet? Or is it a lake? Any ideas where that is. West Cork?
    And is it Ravens. Never seen buzzards West of Bandon. I reckon those two black things were Petreas and Dad.

  6. Jon,

    Thank you for banning HabbabUK – should of been done a long time ago – he’s a real troublemaker here.

    I really miss cryptonym – especially his writing – could he be welcomed back here?

  7. Eh Juteman, give it a rest please :)

    Anon,

    You are welcome to make an appeal to Craig, using the text of your last post. I’m afraid though that you credit me with too much – I don’t follow every debate here, nor am I aware of every news item that they are linked to. I can’t comment on Galloway’s comments, since I have not heard/read them.

    I’ll render the context for you in a succinct way: after 10 months of persistent bullying, needling and disruption, Habbabkuk decides to try his/her luck with really offensive insults when he/she believed moderation to be down. I am satisfied, given the history, that the intention was to provoke conflict.

    I quite understand that you don’t like the left/liberal views that are mainly held here. But it has always been the case that you (or anyone) may choose a subject that has been expressed and argue rationally against it. It is easier to dismiss the board as useless, or support Habbabkuk’s “right” to abuse his interlocutors. It is much harder to engage properly and with respect.

  8. Fred/Juteman – deleted one each from you. I think the two of you have exhausted the possibility that something might actually come from debating – perhaps now is the time to politely ignore each other, and move on to other participants.

    Exexpat, Cryptonym is not banned. I excised one paragraph of, in my view, racist sentiment, and he reposted it verbatim before leaving voluntarily. The repost is still available.

  9. “Fred/Juteman – deleted one each from you. I think the two of you have exhausted the possibility that something might actually come from debating…”

    I’d worked that one out for myself.

  10. Which post of mine did you delete Jon?
    It would help me not to post similar again, if I knew what it was, as I don’t think I posted anything offensive.

  11. Here’s a good article on the Syria situation.

    In essence, my view is that since the 1973 ‘Yom Kippur’ War and the consequent oil embargo, the political classes in the USA (and UK) seem to have become dependent on the regimes of Saudi Arabia and Israel. This dependency – a supine position, really – is not in the national interests of either the USA or UK, far less that of their people. The Syrian situation perfectly encapsulates this dynamic.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/

  12. It’s ok Jon, I see what you have done.
    You deleted my latest post listing Freds insults to me.
    I assume you have deleted the original insults from Fred, or is he posting under different rules?

    One might get suspicious that British Nationalists have a fee reign on here.

  13. Free, not fee!
    Though maybe some are paid?

  14. [Mod: deleted abusive post]

  15. @ResDis, Anon et al

    If you don’t like the rules here – jog on.

    be interesting to see if villager still posts… :)

  16. I see Fred has issued a challenge to Jons moderation policy already.
    Interesting.

  17. For what it’s worth, Habbabkuk’s role as resident contrarian could have been welcomed had he not resorted to selective engagement, and then some very personal needle to sidestep those awkward points he chose to ignore. Without contrarians, all we’ve got is an echo chamber. It’s a shame he had to go, though his latter comments clearly crossed the line. If he was a bona fide troll then inciting a full-on slanging match would have been ‘job done’ for him.

  18. Word is beginning to emerge from the bowels of the Tory party that Cameron deliberately spared the whip on the Syria war vote, on account of a much bigger concern. A Syrian CW retaliation on Israel type quagmire into 2014, would have meant handing the Scottish Referendum vote to Salmond on a plate. A second vote still remains a possibility once the CW have been neutralised and a quick outcome may be guaranteed by October 2014.

    [Mod: posted as Lurker, is in fact Krishnamurky]

  19. “I see Fred has issued a challenge to Jons moderation policy already.”

    My personal view is that Jon/Craig should adopt in some form these guidelines from Medialens, as it seems to work very well for them;

    “Incivility in any form is forbidden.

    Any kind of harassment is forbidden, including overt sexism, racism, or classism, of course, but also including any kind of demeaning or otherwise hostile disrespect of others.

    Hounding others is forbidden, including continually emailing or publicly posting messages trying to engage or to continue exchanges with people who have clearly indicated (publicly or privately) their desire to leave an exchange.

    Likewise, questioning ideas and claims and offering varied views on matters is of course welcome, but questioning user’s private motivations is not.

    We disapprove of using multiple identities or spoofing other people’s identities. If your arguments stand up, there is no need to pretend to be anyone else. We will ban anyone who ignores warnings about spoofing or trolling.

    We will remove material that we consider offensive or way off-topic and we may ban repeat offenders.”

  20. Despite his protestations of ignorance, Jon must surely know the point Habbabkuk was making? If not then ought he not to have investigated the matter before banning a contributor? Interesting to see that the rampantly anti-Semitic Krishnamurky is still allowed to post here, though.

  21. I would suggest Jon gives Habbabkuk a second chance, and as compensation takes out the truly vile Krishnamurky. What say you, Jon?

  22. Macky, but let’s be honest – Medialens is a desperately dull site.

  23. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/14/in-syria-israel-findsaablessedwara.html

    Since al Jazzera TV started in America, we’re warned of the dangers of watching AQ propaganda. Reminded that they are two-faced, speaking with forked tongue, saying radical things on their Arabic side, while pretending to be reasonable in English.

    Some of the hatred of al Jazerra is that they’re poaching employees from cheap US media; an employee who, for example, now earns $65,000 moves up to $175,000 at al Jazerra.

    It is an outrage! Damn Arab capitalists, coming over here and spreading wealth around. Undermining the very fabric of society.

    Spare some compassion:
    http://www.anorak.co.uk/366791/technology/first-world-problems-on-twitter.html/

  24. “Incivility in any form is forbidden.”

    Would that include foul language and implying that other posters are liars?

    If I have any reservations about the moderation on this board it’s the way threads are allowed to degenerate into exchanges of personal insults. Of course if the majority are happy with that, fine. The rest of us will just have to withdraw until the dust has settled.

    As for Mr G.Galloway MP I appreciate he is a hero to many posters here and heroes can’t be seen to be fallible which I suppose is why we’ve had to resort to hair-splitting semantics to try and save his reputation. The facts remain; he said what he said then denied saying it and it doesn’t matter if he called it a theory, an assertion, a claim or a blue teapot.

  25. Kempe

    If Galloway lied to parliament, and the evidence of this is readily available, why hasn’t he been banned?

  26. “Severely disabled man told he must take medical to prove he is not fit for work”

    http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10675128.Severely_disabled_man_told_he_must_take_medical_to_prove_he_is/

    “Head of Lambeth Council, Lib Peck, MP for Streatham and Shadow Business Secretary Chuka Umunna along with Dulwich MP Tessa Jowell have all signed a joint letter this week written to bungling Justice Secretary Chris Grayling demanding that the squatting ban be extended to commercial properties.”

    http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2013/09/12/labour-mps-call-for-extension-of-squatting-ban/

  27. A doctor in Africa once told me that some locally known parasites ejected themselves through every imaginable human orifices, if and when when their host body suddenly died.

  28. Habbabkak has been a very distruptive influence on the blog, constantly rendering the topic of the conversation irrelevant as he threw his grenades about, to get everyone in bickering mode.

    I personally never had a problem with his opinions, but the manner in which he treated those with differing opinions, including myself. He is graceless, arrogant and often vile. He will not be missed for one moment. For future reference any other Trolls that come along should be ignored, it’s amaing how quickly they get bored when nobody is feeding them.

    Perhaps this will usher in a new age of netiquette on the blog.

  29. It were Rifkind who lied to Parliament, he dare not table the transcripts of the mossad “intercepts” (for his own sake, if they are as comical as the IDF/Mavi Marmara fake conversation – we are getting a taste of Comical Shlomo “spitting” at this blog too!), the Russians now have categoric proof that the Ghouta gassing was a set up after all. Which begs the question, did the mossad give the JIC proof “intercepts” to Western intelligence in real time, which means they were also in on the deception? Galloway’s theory about Chemical Bandar needs revisiting.

  30. Craig told me that GG has lied on many occasions, one of his lies is that he once was a boxer, GG never boxed, not even for a photo·

    @ Brian, Thanks for the Greg Palast video. So Larry Summers was chosen by bankers to suit their relationship and congruence with the president. Now this is a reason alone for me to warm to a new world currency, whether its based on gold or fresh potable water…;)

    @Jon. You are sitting on a fence as a mod and it is swaying, whether its the wind or somebody rocking it makes a major difference, it is deliberate.
    It was only a matter of time before the personalised, sometimes embarrassing, gender based guile towards Mary and others, would get your goat and I wholeheartedly agree with your decision, despite the cries of censorship, thank you.

    Anon says,”I would suggest Jon gives Habbabkuk a second chance, and as compensation takes out the truly vile Krishnamurky. What say you, Jon?”

    Anon, Why don’t you leave it up to Jon, he is far too busy to converse with every poster and their personal foibles.

    Sofia KN, please be aware that daddy is no more, but that foul smelling dragon has taken to you and no doubt he will let you ride pillion on his tail.

    @ Suahyl, absolutely agree and this relationship has festered the landscape of nationasl politics here and in the US, it has spread secrecy and snooping and financial instability, undermining society and its discourse with its representatives.

    FFS what do we have FoI for? Is it a mutual relationship or a takeover of our foreign policy base? I’d opt and argue for the latter, because I have read Ian Pape’s and Avi Shlaims books. I think Israel is amidst an existential fight for its own survival, for decades it has been zionised by a right wing minority elite who has never anticipated mutuality with its neighbours, but had an agenda of land grabbing and human rights violations.

    That wall must fall! It is untenable that it exists. Just as the Berlin wall was.

    here are the comments from 1989, it is easy to see that Roger waters has made an artful point for jews and Palestinians to unite and take this wall down!

    “In an official statement, Charlotte Knobloch, President of the General Council of Jews in Germany, observed with regret that this year, the jubilee over the fall of the wall overshadowed the remembrance of the Kristallnacht.

    And in her speech before the masses in front of the Brandenburg Gate, Merkel remembered: “For Germans, November 9 is also a day of admonition. Today 71 years ago the darkest chapter of German history was opened with Kristallnacht: the systematic persecution and murder of the European Jews and many others. This too, will not be forgotten today.”

    Both events, she said, show that freedom does not come by itself. “Freedom must be fought for. Freedom must be defended again and again.”

    The fall of Berlin Wall, it was said many times that night, marked the beginning of a new, free and united era for Germany and Europe.

    And indeed, Germany has changed. ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/how-the-fall-of-the-berlin-wall-rehabilitated-jewish-germany-1.4206

    Finally, I have overstepped my line twice by promising ‘it’ a bloody nose, as a reaction to personalised targeting of some good posters by ‘it’ here, I apologise for my protective outburst, as a former martial art pupil I should have known better for having to resort to such impotent measure.

  31. “If Galloway lied to parliament, and the evidence of this is readily available, why hasn’t he been banned?”

    They don’t ban people for telling lies in parliament, the place would be empty. An MP can however get banned for calling another MP a liar.

  32. I am tempted to recollect in the memory of the “dear Sweet reasonable modest knowledgeable all that is good and shines” habasomething and get into its mode of “debate”, then I saw Jon agonising and considering it his failure, to ban him.

    Jon you cannot blame yourself; every time a teenage scrot goes on the rampage and slashes a whole street rows worth of cars tyres, or smashes the expensive glass panes of shop windows or bus stops. Bad, unreasonable mendacious and nasty individuals are just that! No one can be blamed for their destructive influence and behaviour.

    However you know and I know that the current temporary loll in disruptions will be only that. After which soon there will be yet another keyboard commissar assigned to this blog spew unconscious drivel and utter nonsense; in the way of “defending” the “west”, and its surrogate bastards the zioufuckwits.

    I know you don’t much care for me, and well I am not the standard issue luvvie, but despite that I respect your judgement. Further I thank you for your efforts in trying to maintain a modicum of order in this chaotic hotbed of ideas, aspirations, hopes (thanks to a little guy with a huge stature, namely one Craig Murray), and a will to progress from the current pitiful corporate media diet of; half arsed sex, prejudice, special offers, and a steady stream of lies for the benefit of the fucking plutocrats who own the said corporate media.

    However may I suggest that for once we draw the line at the picking on the messenger instead of the message. All too often the techniques of the disruptive elements dispatched to rain shit on this blog has been simply attacking the individuals instead of countering with rebuttals to the views and outlooks that have been presented.

    ==
    Sofia here is something for your epony.

    Phil you are a star mate.

    Brian thanks for the links and advice mate.

  33. Anon: “I would suggest Jon gives Habbabkuk a second chance, and as compensation takes out the truly vile Krishnamurky. What say you, Jon?”

    Jon does delete Krishnamurky posts, even the non-inflammatory ones; funny thing though, if Krishnamurky didn’t exist, you & your fellow travelers would be denied a lot of whataboutery.

    Anon: “Macky, but let’s be honest – Medialens is a desperately dull site”

    a)You obviously don’t follow Medialens closely enough.
    b)If you mean that you can’t get away with posting inane and/or offensive posts, then yes it be very, very dull for you.

    Kempe: “Would that include foul language and implying that other posters are liars?”

    There are other ways to imply people are not being honest, it’s called rational reasoning & debating; there may be occasions where foul language is tolerated under moderating discretion, but to use it as purely an insult is not one of these.

    Kempe:”he said what he said then denied saying it”

    Despite what Nevermind reports as Craig saying about GG, in this clear example, he was not lying.

    So I’ll try once again to explain it, as your confusion seems to be due to misunderstanding the commonly accepted usage of the word “said”; when somebody is questioned or accused of having specially “said” a certain statement of fact in a political context, it’s taken as understood that the “said” equates to a declaration of certainty, ie he meant that Israel did supply the CW; however if this case, Galloway deliberately preference his remarks with “Here’s my theory….”

    Your problem seems to be that you are fixated upon the fact that the words “Israel gave them” that certainly left Galloway’s mouth as part of his clearly stated speculation, but this is not the charge that was put to him by the Tory MP in the commonly accepted meaning & usage of the word “said”, especially in the political context of the House of Commons setting.

    If you still really cannot see the difference, then the phrase, you can lead a horse to water, but not make it drink, would seem to be the apt comparison here, and I leave it with people with more patience & greater stamina to try & raise your political awareness level.

  34. Thanks for that interesting picture of the eastern Med., Macky, it needs adding to, because since last week, when the USS Nimitz was said to steam through the red sea, this aircraft carrier has [probably reached its new Med. position.

    all this fire power is a powder keg and the sailors aboard get mightily frustrated after a few month of doing nothing but monitoring/spying on others intent and e traffic. This is not exciting and Israel does not shoot cruise missiles on a daily basis keeping these two superpowers busy.
    Should we expect shenanigans at sea? Gaza Peace convoys zigzagging through this armada of goodwill, freedom, liberty and apple pie?

    Well they could try and see whether the Russian or US will stop Israel shooting peaceful protesters in international waters, they shirley don’t give a damn about Gaza’s fishermen!

    Signed, Dreolin, its vital that Rafah reopens, because the tunnels are shut down and gaza’s population of 1.6 million are suffering from Israels extortionate pricing and controls.

  35. Macky, where are the Chinese ships at?

    There are supposed to be five Chinese destroyers and missile cruisers in the Med too, as per the sporadic reports around the net.

  36. This board serves two competing roles: an open forum for public debate and an online community for people disaffected with the non-mainstream. When there is a flow of new posts from the blog owner, that pattern actually works well, usually morphing gradually from one to the other. People can file out of the ganghut as they please. But when things get fractious, the moderator faces some difficult decisions. I’m much in favour of embracing contrary voices (largely because, as Sofia pointed out, “functionally diverse groups outperform homogeneous groups”), but first and foremost we have to show support for the moderator who enables the discussion- sine qua non. Jon’s policy is to show more mutual respect (for people’s intelligence if not for their beliefs or morals) and I think everyone here should take more heed of that. The “ban” is not directed at particular contributors as much as at profane language, insults and accusations of ulterior motives.

  37. Kempe 15 Sep, 2013 – 12:53 pm

    “They don’t ban people for telling lies in parliament, the place would be empty. An MP can however get banned for calling another MP a liar.”

    They don’t call it ‘lying’, they call it ‘misleading the house’ and it is a ‘Contempt of ‘Parliament. It is a very serious offence and, if proved, is always punished, usually by the MP being banished from the house for a fixed period.

    “To mislead parliament is to present false information to parliament knowingly, a very serious charge in Westminster-style parliamentary assemblies.[1][2] Government ministers that are found to have misled parliament will generally lose their ministerial portfolio. By convention, a minister found to have misled parliament is expected to resign or face being sacked.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misleading_parliament

    So, once again, if Galloway lied to parliament, and the evidence of this is readily available, why hasn’t he been punished?

  38. Macky 5 Sep, 2013 – 1:04 pm

    “Kempe: “Would that include foul language and implying that other posters are liars?”

    There are other ways to imply people are not being honest, it’s called rational reasoning & debating; there may be occasions where foul language is tolerated under moderating discretion, but to use it as purely an insult is not one of these.

    Kempe:”he said what he said then denied saying it”

    Despite what Nevermind reports as Craig saying about GG, in this clear example, he was not lying.

    So I’ll try once again to explain it, as your confusion seems to be due to misunderstanding the commonly accepted usage of the word “said”; when somebody is questioned or accused of having specially “said” a certain statement of fact in a political context, it’s taken as understood that the “said” equates to a declaration of certainty, ie he meant that Israel did supply the CW; however if this case, Galloway deliberately preference his remarks with “Here’s my theory….”

    Your problem seems to be that you are fixated upon the fact that the words “Israel gave them” that certainly left Galloway’s mouth as part of his clearly stated speculation, but this is not the charge that was put to him by the Tory MP in the commonly accepted meaning & usage of the word “said”, especially in the political context of the House of Commons setting.

    If you still really cannot see the difference, then the phrase, you can lead a horse to water, but not make it drink, would seem to be the apt comparison here, and I leave it with people with more patience & greater stamina to try & raise your political awareness level.”

    Allow me to answer on Kempe’s behalf:

    Yeah, but … but … who cares what he said, he’s a liar

  39. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 2:47 pm

    Exexpat

    I don’t mind the rules if they are consistently enforced – if they were John Goss would now be banned for his inference that Habba and others (note the plural) who comment against the prevailing current of s*** are prostitutes. But I won’t hold my breath.

    Of course the moderator continues to leave accusations against Habba of a similar nature to those he claims that Habba made untouched.

    I’m sure you’ll now enjoy the lovely sound of one hand clapping – just like Medialens eh Macky. But just a thought for you all to ponder – don’t you possibly think that one of the reasons why progress is now being made in the sorry mess that is now Syria is because there has started to be some dialectic between the two sides of the argument – the Russian proposals did not just come out of mid air after of years of hardly lifting a finger to deal with their client state (my own guess is that know only too well that some elements of the Assad regime were responsible for the gassing) and Putin knows only too well that his (financial) interests only allow him to go so far in atagonising the West.

    It is quite noteworthy that not a wrod has said about Putin stuffing the ballots in the Moscow mayoral election to avoid a second rouynd of voting. Or how none of the self proclaimed non haters of the West (that is apart from those who have at least been honest enough to express their hatred). Just like no one felt it necessary to criticise Putin for his government’s racist mistreatment of immigrants – which went far beyond the level that John Goss used to apply the fascist label to Theresa May and to accuse British Governemnet of approaching fascism (and yes you did Mr Goss – look it up yourself)

    Or we could of course go to the posting to which Mr Goss linked twice and have a discussion about whether all the stuff at the end re the Rothschilds doesn’t really have the sort of anti-semitic subtext. Jon do you really want to link to such crap?

  40. ” Just like no one felt it necessary to criticise Putin for his government’s racist mistreatment of immigrants – which went far beyond the level that John Goss used to apply the fascist label to Theresa May and to accuse British Governemnet of approaching fascism (and yes you did Mr Goss – look it up yourself) ”

    kempe, you have just pointed to Putin intentionally trying to defraud Navalny of becoming mayor of Moscow.
    If that is the case, put some meat on the bone and let us know a link to such defrauding.
    Blast, if it the case, it sounds very much like the postal voting fraud committed in Birmingham, Blackburn and elsewhere, ad nauseum.

    gis a link then.

  41. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 3:02 pm

    And while we are on the subject of cat man’s latest reincarnation as a slug in the pay of Assad TV

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10278115/What-George-Galloway-neglected-to-mention-in-Syria-debate.html

    Perhaps we should remember that he once said this about the deeds of his latest paymaster

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/george-galloway-mp/a-statement-on-the-situation-in-syria-by-george-galloway/195231300540947

    Yep he was so shocked to his core that he had to rush off and get employment from the perpetrator of the deed, the salute of his indefatigability cannot be far behind. To any reasonable person the explanation can only be either prostitution or anti-westernism or possibly both. Perhaps Macky who carries something of a flame for the Gorgeous one might wish to elucidate.

  42. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 3:08 pm

    A node

    You really are a bear of little brain – GG is not a government minister and he hasn’t accused another MP of lying in the House (and if he did, he would withdraw the allegation pretty quickly.

    And btw Nevermind I am not Kempe – but perhaps we are all Habbacus! Would appreciate your thoughts on all the Rothchilds stuff that Mr Goss would like us to read.

  43. Is hitch hiking prostitution?
    And why can I not find any websites catering for the discerning business women travelling to Kazakhstan?

    was Borat right?…:0

    http://betterkz.com/20090506/seks-industriya-kazaxstana/

  44. “And btw Nevermind I am not Kempe – but perhaps we are all Habbacus! Would appreciate your thoughts on all the Rothchilds stuff that Mr Goss would like us to read.”

    Funny that, I had Kempe show on my computer, you playing footsie with us?
    Don’t mind if I discuss what is on offer here, far from me to dabble in dirty bankers history.

    Time for a new reformation and kicking over of the money lenders/bankers stalls. But this time we must not let them run away to their off shore safe havens.

  45. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 3:22 pm

    Putin vote rigging allegations

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/navalny-to-submit-truckload-of-complaints-to-elections-commission/485952.html

    http://navalny-en.livejournal.com/

    And while we are on the subject of the “richest man in the world” as he is commonly referred to by many Russians, perhaps those who were so rightly critical of the use of white phosphorus by the Israeli forces in Gaza might just want to do a little googling about its use in the Chechen conflict.

  46. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 3:26 pm

    Jon

    why has Habbakkuk been banned but not Krishnamurky – how has this anti-semite not crossed the moral lines that you wish to impose?

  47. resident dissident 5 Sep, 2013 – 3:08 pm

    “A node

    You really are a bear of little brain – GG is not a government minister and he hasn’t accused another MP of lying in the House (and if he did, he would withdraw the allegation pretty quickly.”

    You just made a fool of yourself. Read the previous posts or keep out of it.

  48. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 4:00 pm

    A Node

    Please provide a single example in recent times of where an MP, other than in the capacity as a Government minister has faced sanction for lying to or misleading the House in a statement they have made in the Chamber. The reason why many MPs will not challenge Galloway when he makes ridiculous statements is because they know that is exactly what he wants to happen.

  49. RD (another barnacle on the ship of humanity) Are you missing your mate?

    1 down 3 to go…

  50. “I see Fred has issued a challenge to Jons moderation policy already.
    Interesting.”

    So long as you got the message that’s all that matters.

  51. What do people think about scraping this site to put some highlights up on i2p?

    i2p is the NSA-killer. They want content because content draws more users, and more users strengthen the security of the network. It takes a bit of patience to set up but then you’re routing traffic among your peers on your own network, not google’s or yahoo’s. That alone would slough off most of the dumber trolls. Technical support should not be a problem – there’s some serious IT chops in evidence among the regulars here.

    Everyone here has lots of idle CPU, so why not use it to blind NSA? Comments would have much-improved anonymity and a secure means of continuing discussions offline. That’s useful when people get down to brass tacks. People with offline sources get bashful on the NSA-sabotaged commercial internet.

    It’s ultimately Craig’s call because it’s his intellectual property.

  52. Inside the mind of NSA chief Gen Keith Alexander
    A lavish Star Trek room he had built as part of his ‘Information Dominance Center’ is endlessly revealing

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/15/nsa-mind-keith-alexander-star-trek

  53. RD “why has Habbakkuk been banned but not Krishnamurky – how has this anti-semite not crossed the moral lines that you wish to impose?”

    Thanks for link to Navalny’s blog, he seems to have a lot of supporters who are helping him to file complaints against those who committed election fraud.

    Where was your outrage when Birmingham’s postal voting fraud was discovered and what do you think has happened to the party whose candidates committed it?(nothing because the electoral commission is toothless))

    here is the report by Parliament.
    http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN03667.pdf‎

    And here Judge Mawry compares postal voting fraud to that of a banana republic, which gives republics a bad name. So what is your point? election frauds are everywhere there is power to be gained.

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/postal-voting-fraud-still-commons-183990

    Why do you think you can organise Jon’s time for him? Have some respect for the mod, he’s not here to communicate with posters, nor does he have to justify his moderation to you or me.

  54. RD and Kempe,

    Looks like we’ll soon find out who’s right.
    The website that claims to have started this smear reports that ….

    “Mike Freer MP today asked the Speaker of the House of Commons to rule on whether Galloway intentionally misled Britain’s lower legislative chamber during the debate.”

    http://www.trendingcentral.com/mp-demands-answers-of-galloway-lies/

    If Galloway is found to have lied, I’ll apologise to you. If he isn’t, perhaps you’ll do ‘the decent thing’.
    Mind you, I’m not too worried. The website’s headline puts “Galloway Lies” in inverted commas, and feels it necessary to shore up its case by falsely putting the word “implicating” into Offord’s question:

    When asked by Matthew Offord MP whether or not he made comments implicating Israel in the supply of chemical weapons to Al Qaeda in Syria, Galloway responded, “I said no such thing.”

  55. Israeli-born writer, author and musician, Gilad Atzmon, on September 14, 2013, once again urged Tehran to acquire a nuclear deterrent. He said that’s the only way to bring Israeli aggression to an end. This is not the first time, Atzmon has made such suggestion. He did on several occasions during the last ten years I happen to know him.

    http://rehmat1.com/2013/09/15/gilad-atzmon-iran-must-have-nuclear-deterrent/

  56. http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Report-Syria-transported-chemical-weapons-to-Iraq-326141

    Good news. We get to invade Iraq all over again. A redo. It will go better this time under Obama than it did under Bush.

  57. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 Sep, 2013 - 4:59 pm

    Heh. That reminds me of Geo Carlin’s confusion over the term ‘civil’ war.

    BOOM! “I’m so sorry”

    “Excuse me, sir” BLAM!

  58. Juteman @ 10h12, Anon @ 8h48 and Resident Dissident @ 15h26 you’ve nailed it on the head! This is what passes for moderation here and its roots lie well before the 10 months Jon alluded to in his speech.

    Foul language and abuse is okay here as long as it is deployed by pro-Palestine single-issue one-trick ponies. Google “ziofuckwits” for yourself, see what comes up. I encourage EVERYONE including lurkers to satisfy themselves and click on the link below to see a distinguished example of how illustrious this blog has become under Jon the Moderator’s watch:

    https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&tab=nw#filter=0&hl=en&q=ziofuckwits&safe=off

    As long-time, balanced commenter here, Glenn_uk has said before, this Moderator is not fit-for-purpose. Though we all recognise that its the best Craig’s got.

    Jon admits that he has no context on George Galloway’s remarks (!!!!!). And then He “goes out on a bit of a limb” (????):

    “So, I’m going out on a bit of a limb, but I think 10 months of putting up with pointless whataboutery and spite is probably enough. It’s either that, or resign both moderation and technical button-pushing, frankly.”

    Yes Jon, i think you are a confused man, by your own admission. And confusion can only breed more confusion, which is what we are seeing. Take some responsibility.

    I am disgusted and shocked by your actions especially since:

    (a) you gave *no* warning to an intelligent, rational, generally respectful, eloquent and undoubtedly witty regular commenter,

    (b) you were, and if you weren’t you should have been, in reasonable doubt about the point that Habbabkuk was making and even how he was making it, and

    (c) you *failed* to take into account that Habbabkuk has had more abuse hurled upon him in these last 10 months than any other commenter has had *and endured* gracefully, probably in the history of this blog. He was the first, that i saw, to suggest here that unparliamentary language should be discouraged.

    Accordingly, i think you should do the right thing and retract that rarely-used ban immediately, forthwith. Your decision is an ill-considered (by your own admission), knee-jerk, irresponsible use of your ‘power’.

    Else, if you can’t see your mistake, then do the other right thing and go. This time not “on a bit of a limb”, but in grace. But if you decide to stay, you can rest fully assured that Macky & Co. will not any further be calling your ill-considered, loose-cannon moderation “shambolic. For, you have done their bidding.

    Well done chaps and chapesses, fantastic, now we see when your Revolution comes, how you will silence the intelligentsia in the guise of “whataboutery” and moans of “spite”. Enjoy your head-nodding, one-hand clapping echo chamber! For in the real world out here, life is good(!), and with President Obama stopping wars, early in his second-term, imho it is set to be even better!

    La vita e bella! :-)

    ****************$
    PS Craig, look out, the zealots are taking over The Revolution!

  59. The “ban” is not directed at particular contributors as much as at profane language, insults and accusations of ulterior motives.

    White washing away a habitual bully who had nothing of any value to add other than a whole lot of exercises as in how_to_defend_zionistan.pdf is a bit of a diversion is it not?

    The record speaks for itself, there is contrariety, and opposition, and then there is down right mendacity and suppression of any kind of counter view to the “contrarians” held “principles”. As it stands there seems to be only one mission for the dispatched commissars and gauleiters; “suck up to zionistan, fall in line behind your government that props up the ziofuckwits”.

    ====

    So, once again, if Galloway lied to parliament, and the evidence of this is readily available, why hasn’t he been punished?

    That is easy silly!

    No one in parliament gives a flying fuck about the gaggle of “sleuths” editing away the bits and coming out with a “new story”; Hitler is alive and is in Elsalvador, preparing to help Assad to conquer the world. Or GG said this, and he is a liar, and a helper of Hitler who is plotting to make Assad the ruler of the world!

    The original video was ripped to shreds by the youtubers, and the ziofuckwit who had put it up, had ran out of steam even to reply to the comments, other than the usual “you fools” (standard ziofuckwit parlance). However notwithstanding that GG is a liar anyway dammit!

  60. What is so wrong with “ziofuckwit”?

    Why do you keep gooling it and put the link here?

    How many times more do you intend to keep on doing it?

    Calling a bunch of supremacists, mass murdering, land stealing, baby killing, old woman beating, old man stabbing, child kidnapping tossers, ziofuckwit is the least of the invectives that could be directed at such an inhuman lowlife specimens.

    What is your point intruding here and adding nothing of any value?

  61. Now that we all heard how the NSA is spying on our personal data, this is followed up by their interception of international payments using agencies like SWIFT and card companies such as VISA.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-exclusive-nsa-spies-on-international-bank-transactions-a-922276.html

    FTM is recruiting more ‘data collection analysts’ so the villagers grief over it and the loss of his moral backbone might soon be calmed with a new exciting job.

    http://www.followthemoney.org/

  62. ” ****************$ ”

    Sorry i couldn’t type the ‘Pound’ sign, as i have a CIA standard-issue laptop… ;-)

  63. Fedup

    It’s not unreasonable to ask just how useful the term “ziofuckwit” is in getting your message across.

    What are you achieving in your usage of the term?

    As you’ve explained above it doesn’t really capture the criminality at work, and as we see it gives your opponents windmills to tilt at whilst distracting from what I’m sure are much more serious points you’d prefer they address.

  64. Resident Dissident, you perhaps think if you repeat a lie often enough people may believe it.

    “Just like no one felt it necessary to criticise Putin for his government’s racist mistreatment of immigrants – which went far beyond the level that John Goss used to apply the fascist label to Theresa May and to accuse British Governemnet of approaching fascism (and yes you did Mr Goss – look it up yourself)

    Or we could of course go to the posting to which Mr Goss linked twice and have a discussion about whether all the stuff at the end re the Rothschilds doesn’t really have the sort of anti-semitic subtext. Jon do you really want to link to such crap?”

    I suffer from memory problems myself so I can empathise with you. However you seem to have forgotten you apologised for that accusation before.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/07/feile-an-phobail-belfast/comment-page-17/#comment-425265

    I then went on to say any government, Putin’s or others, should be criticised if implementing racist measures. As a matter of interest can you differentiate between fascist and racist?

    As a final point being anti-Semitic would mean I was against Palestinians and Israelis. Palestinians are Semites too. I am against neither.

    The Rothschilds do have a stranglehold on the world banking system. That is unhealthy. It would be unhealthy if a Chinese, Russian or other family had a stranglehold on the world banking system. Do try and clarify things in your own mind before engaging me. But thank you for pointing other comment-makers to my article.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2013/09/12/uk-vote-on-syria-democracy-can-win/

    I stand by the article. If you do not believe that democracy can win I suspect you are the Fascist. Don’t ignore the points made here and keep presenting lies about me. Otherwise I will complain to the moderator.

  65. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 5:48 pm

    @exexpat

    1 down 3 to go…

    Good to see the old which hunt/show trail mentality is alive and well.

    @rehemat
    “Israeli-born writer, author and musician, Gilad Atzmon, on September 14, 2013, once again urged Tehran to acquire a nuclear deterrent. He said that’s the only way to bring Israeli aggression to an end. This is not the first time, Atzmon has made such suggestion. He did on several occasions during the last ten years I happen to know him.”

    So please explain how Iran going nuclear at the present time will calm things down in the Middle East rather than doing the opposite? Of all the times any rational people could pick for such an action surely the present must be the most inappropriate – anyone who thinks otherwise surely is just one of those who Habba and others identified who really are looking for wars while saying the opposite.

  66. Oh god, the lights will go out and computers will stall,NOT. But Japan has managed to switch off its last PWR reactor today.
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/15/324039/japan-to-switch-off-last-nuclear-reactor/

    Compare that to Germany which has said it will phase out PWR’s in thirty years, they still run 9 plants.
    Overall there are still 71 nuclear power stations being build or planned, so the lesson of Fukushima are not as strong as the lure for plutonium.

  67. Res Diss

    “So please explain how Iran going nuclear at the present time will calm things down in the Middle East rather than doing the opposite?”

    It’s a balance of power thing.

    Best way to temper agressive bullies is to have another agressive bully square up to them.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/137731/kenneth-n-waltz/why-iran-should-get-the-bomb

  68. I supposed its the same doctrine than MAD, Herbie, mutually assured destruction was the deterrent during the cold war and it still is, thanks to PWR’s and their inefficient, dangerous legacy.

  69. John Baron MP is leading a 25 person backbench revolt against the cuts to the army and its replacement with the TA.
    James Clappison (Hertsmere), Jack Lopresti (Filton & Bradley Stoke), Philip Hollobone (Kettering), Richard Drax (South Dorset), Philip Davies (Shipley) and Julian Lewis (New Forest East) and others are acting to save what little employment derives from the bases in their constituents, although I doubt that they have a mandate for their stance.

    .telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10310013/John-Baron-defence-cuts-army-regulars-reserve.html

  70. gives your opponents windmills to tilt at whilst distracting from what I’m sure are much more serious points you’d prefer they address

    With the intentions of total disrespect of the ziofuckwits and to remind them of a simple fact; world will never accept their brand of bigotry, abominable conduct, supremacy and criminality. Getting the message across has already been achieved, the phrase is indeed annoying the heck of out the zioufuckwits (read around the place and see), who have been on record trying to suppress and stop it’s usage. All too often there is the tendency to play the game and get along with these murdering bastards. There can be no dialogue with anyone who is intent on lying, murdering, stealing, and cheating.

    What are you achieving in your usage of the term?

    You are making an assumption that this is a swear. No the term is not a swear word or profanity. This term a reminder of reality; thieves, brigands, bigots, murderers, amoral tossers, supremacist, cannot expect the world to kowtow to them, or to treat them as equals, and accept in any shape or form their vile “political strand” just because they have bought some fucking papers/media, and bribed or blackmailed weak political actors.

    World must not accept zionfuckwit’s “speculations” this creed of pure evil under any circumstances. Further the world must be unanimous in delivering an unmistakable message; there are no nice/acceptable/respectable; murders, thieves supremacists!

    Have you ever thought how empowering the term “ziofuckwit” is?

  71. Nevermind

    That’s right. That’s the argument.

    I only present it because Res Diss claimed that it would increase tensions, when it’s so obviously clear that the West’s murderous rampage around the region is precisely because such a balance of power was lacking, up until now.

  72. Fedup

    You’re making some very big claims for the term there.

    Can’t say I’m convinced of the utility you ascribe to it, and I really find it very difficult to believe that Zionists are offended or put out by it.

    I do believe they will pretend to be offended by it, and indeed that it’s in their interest to find such offense and since it adds nothing to the argument my view remains that it is much more a distraction than anything that might further the Palestinian plight in the minds of the disinterested.

  73. Fred said, “So long as you got the message that’s all that matters”

    I got Jons message loud and clear. Your vile language won’t be tolerated anymore. There is no need for playground language in a debate.

    Villager @ 5.00pm. I’m pro Palestinian, and don’t see the relevance of vile language to ones beliefs or politics. I swear like a trooper down the pub.

  74. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    Goss

    The accusation I apologised for was saying you labelled the entire government as fascist – I will not apologise for you say that you labelled Theresa May as being fascist which is what you did here.

    “Doug, it’s good to have these racists expressing their views openly. That way decent people know who they are. Theresa May is of this persuasion. I bet she’s clicked the Like box together with nearly 2,700 other fascists. When trials at the Hague take place these extremists should face justice if they have incited discrimination. Ironically the group which wants to repatriate anybody non-white comprises those with properties all over the world.”

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/07/feile-an-phobail-belfast/comment-page-6/#comments

    I will dig out your other quote about western goverments al moving towards fascism if you really wish – but perhaps you should find it yourself as a pennance.

    SO have you criticised Putin of being racist for the action of his government against immigrants in Russia (to which I have provided more than ample evidence)? Yes or no, rather than the mealy mouth words used. Yes I can distinguish between fascism and racism – and I do belive there are elements of both within Putin.

    “The Rothschilds do have a stranglehold on the world banking system.”

    No they do not – anyone who works in the financial sector would laugh at such a claim. Rothchilds is now just one of many medium sized players in the market. The websites which make such ridiculous claims use very tenuous links to support their claim (isn’t everyone related to everyone else in the world by 4 degrees of association?) – and they are nearly always linked to known anti semitic sites (in the normaly accepted sense of that term rather than the ethnographic one).

    That said perhaps I shouldn’t expect much from someone who in the past has offered this apologia for Al Qaeda.

    “Only the Zionist-funded US is sick enough to kill innocent people. Al Qaeda targets what it considers to be enemies, not ordinary people going about their daily work.”

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/07/feile-an-phobail-belfast/comment-page-14/#comments

    Which even setting aside 9/11 does leave quite a lot of explaining for someone seeking to distance himself from the fascist label.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#Attacks

    And I note that there is no hint of apology for your labelling of posters (plural) here as prostitutes. I would also like to see an apology for being called a Fascist in your last post – my family has a long and proud history of fighting fascism in many of its forms – Spanish, Italian, German, Soviet, South African and in supporting anti fascist organisations such as the ANL and Seachlight. I really don’t have to put up with such effluent from a fellow traveller (no that is too harsh – lets say useful idiot) such as yourself. That said I shall not go crying too the moderator – I’ll leave that to yourself and other lovers of censorship.

  75. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 6:51 pm

    “Best way to temper agressive bullies is to have another agressive bully square up to them.”

    Even when the country you term an agressive bully has just stood down largely as a result of democratic pressure from its own people. In my view I could not think of better way of swinging back public opinion to the hardliners in Israel and the West than for Iran to push ahead with the bomb at this time.

  76. You’re making some very big claims for the term there.

    Firstly I am not making big claims, in fact it is you who is down playing the imperatives of the ziofuckwits. Read the fawning and pusillanimous ode to habasomething, and search out the continual circle jerk rituals, during which; “the team” congratulates itself in achieving acquiescence, and acceptance of the uneducated, illiterates under the charge of the “the team” to be indoctrinated and “educated”. Alas albeit in a “slow progress” fashion.

    Then to have an uneducated and illiterate soul like myself to walk in and piss on their self esteem and turn their conventions upside down by calling them “ziofuckwits” and still remain unbanned, it is the epitome of all that is unacceptable to the said ziofuckwit “team”.

    All too often there is a misconception that governments or corporates are the world. Fact is we the great unwashed are the world, as it is made clear by gargantuan allocated expenditure of huge resources and sums of money to spy on us all, and or shape out our opinions, and or get us to see the world from a certain angle.

    Then to come across the Fedup whom despite all those efforts goes on to use the term “ziofuckwit” is attesting to the failures of the current policies to protect these murdering criminal bastards.

    Don’t you see how empowering that is?

  77. [Mod: abusive language, removed]

  78. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 Sep, 2013 - 7:00 pm

    ” I’ll leave that to yourself and other lovers of censorship.”

    Yet you are not censored RD. Although your sense of humor is muted, I have still detected. You don’t use humor like a cudgel, hiding vitriol embedded in mock good nature. You also are not afraid of debate and rise to the challenge of questions. If you were consistently absolutist on other subjects, maybe I could see how you would conflate the recent incident with censorship. It just doesn’t fly the way we could (like the birds or Superman) if we had absolute freedom. We don’t.

  79. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    I should also add that I never bought into the logic of MAD and the Cold War either. The Cold War came to an end not because you had two blocs threatening each other – but because of detente which allowed ordinary people in the East more freedom to challenge the regimes in the West, the collapse of untenable economic systems and the statesmanship of people like Gorbachev (who is now hated with a vengeance by the likes of Putin)

  80. Res Diss

    “In my view I could not think of better way of swinging back public opinion to the hardliners in Israel and the West than for Iran to push ahead with the bomb at this time.”

    You’re confusing two very different stages.

    Certainly the period during which Iran works towards nuclear independence will increase tensions, and that’s what we’ve seen.

    However, once Iran achieves nuclear independence then those tensions will subside and the new facts on the ground will usher in the necessity for a much more cooperative approach.

    The US and Israel prefer to dominate others and will not be happy to have to cooperate with others, but even the Syrian rapprochement should alert you to the fact that we are perhaps witnessing the emergence of a more cooperative world, after 20 odd years of neocon madness.

  81. Res Diss

    “The Cold War came to an end not because you had two blocs threatening each other”

    MAD was not about the Cold War coming to an end. It was about the fact that neither could impose their will on the other.

  82. Grow up Fred.

  83. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 7:20 pm

    Ben

    I’m sorry but banning someone without giving them the chance to explain what they meant or even apologise counts as censorship in my book. I might also add that Habba, I and others who dissent to the prevailing theme here probaly receive at least 10 terms of abuse for every 1 that we give out – good training for those excruciating dinner parties where you cannot stand the hosts however – but even more fun when you can hide the barbs.

  84. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 7:25 pm

    I am sorry but I don’t believe that fear and threats as in MAD or the Cold War should be the main way to achieve progress in anything whether it be life in general or international relations. All that approach does is leave the way open for the bullies and manipulators to call the shots.

  85. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 7:28 pm

    Herbie

    Do you really believe that both India and Pakistan getting the bomb has reduced the tensions between those two states? It is an incredibly dangerous game to play if you have got it wrong.

  86. Fedup

    “Don’t you see how empowering that is?”

    No. Not really.

    I think it’s probably better understood as a sign of weakness on your part, where you play your alloted role as Lord of Misrule:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_Misrule

    It’s probably worth looking at Bakhtin’s work in this area. The issue is whether such approaches are truly subversive or do they just allow enough steam to escape, the better to keep the lid much more firmly upon things:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivalesque

  87. Res Diss

    You begin in the knowledge that there are bullies out there, determining how we live.

    The job then is how to ensure no one of them can dominate all others.

  88. RD, I do not need to explain myself to another Habbabkuk-type member of the shower of shills but, as you know, you took that comment out of context because it referred to the Traditional Britain Group. I posted one of my articles on their Facebook page and it was removed. So much for their democracy.

    About your family history I have no knowledge. I don’t even know who you are. As you may have noticed I comment under my own name. If you don’t think the Zionist-funded US kills innocent people in its drone attacks, wars in foreign lands, or that the Rothschilds have a stranglehold on the world, then there is not much chance of serious debate with you.

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

  89. RD, you have no idea of what has kept the peace between the two large blocs during the cold war, nor do you seem to understand that it was the time of proxy wars and civilian death by the hundreds of thousand.

    Now we have two nuclear powers facing off, that’s how far Israels Zionist’s have nudged it, nuclear def com 3, the whole of the eastern Med awash with modern navy vessels.

    That’s not peace progress that is escalation.

  90. Buggernfuck

    I jus got my hed chopt off by the darn DuJonhedin.

  91. I think it’s probably better understood as a sign of weakness on your part

    Given your links I detect a certain weakness, that has resulted in citation of the first link that maintains;

    “This festival teaches even the little children, artless and simple, to be greedy, and accustoms them to go from house to house and to offer novel gifts, fruits covered with silver tinsel. For these they receive, in return, gifts double their value, and thus the tender minds of the young begin to be impressed with that which is commercial and sordid.”

    Which evidently the Lord of the Misrule presided over.

    In other words a patent lack of connectivity to our debate by citation of such a material, that is just baiting really, and no less.

    So far as the second citation goes, the act of civil disobedience by calling the criminal bastards for what they are “ziofuckwits” is not by any means a “leting off of steam” in a humorous or a Carnivalesque atmosphere. In fact it is setting of a precedence for others to follow, and I am grateful that you have given me an opportunity to further clarify the case for my cause, by outlining my reasoning for the use of such a wonderfully descriptive term; ziofucwit.

    The same bunch of ziofuckwits who have been deploring Bishop Desmond Tutu and his calumny about the apartheid practised in zionistan, have become far too accustomed to deference. For without that deference the ziofuckwits are left open to an avalanche of criticism, as the case was with South African supremacist fuckwits.

    The question is not letting off steam, but ensuring that the sacred cows are not only saline, but turned into shish kebab. Simply pronouncing the current push for further de-legitimisation of the ziofuckwits as “letting off steam, or weakness” is your view and you can hold on to it as you wish.

    However the reality is the term ziofuckwit is to denote, there can be no room for the criminality of imposing an apartheid regime on Palestinians, as well as engaging in the ongoing genocide of the said Palestinians, along with a constant and ongoing land theft. Then expect to find any kind of acceptance by the wider world, ie me and millions of others who can see the ziofuckwits for what they are; criminal bunch of bastards, worthy of our contempt and scorn only.

  92. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 8:13 pm

    JG

    So entry to serious debate is contingent on accepting that the “Rothchilds have a strangle stranglehold on the world” – says it all really. Do I also have to accept that Al Qaeda never targets ordinary people going about their daily work. Let others notice the old Stalinist trick of defining what is and isn’t subjects worthy of serious debate.

    As for the US being Zionist funded – I think you really need to look at the staistics as to which countries in the World have surpluses and deficits on their capital account – or is this just another bit of anti-semitic subtext that you wish to introduce into serious debate?

    I quoted and linked to your post – if you don’t think you labelled Theresa May as a fascist then might I suggest you think a little more before using your key board.

    Still no apology for the accusations of prostitution and just a further totally unsupported allegation of being a shill – you really should look up these terms in a dictionary before using them.

  93. Can we please stop this you said this and I said this nonsense – Craig’s blog is so intelligent and provocative. Let’s not lose the point of what he said.

    It was right Hababukk (sp?) was banned.

  94. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 8:21 pm

    Fedup

    Can we take it that you do not support international law which quite clearly upholds the right of Israel to exist within its original borders? Yes or no will suffice.

    For the avoidance of doubt I make it clear that I do not support, and indeed condemn, the many many violations of international law that the Isreali state has both beyond and within its own borders.

  95. Well, Fedup

    I think both links are relevant here, but no matter. Let’s see if we can approaach it another way.

    What is a fuckwit? Isn’t it someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing?

    Do you think Zionists don’t know what they’re doing?

    Why don’t you create a term that encompasses their criminality, Ziocrim or something like that?

    Why let them off with accusations of ignorance and stupidity?

    For my part, I think Zionist works well enough on its own.

  96. the right of Israel to exist within its original borders?

    Yes the eight miles deep country as set out in the UN 1948 would be acceptable, with the proviso that zionistan must declare their chemical and nuclear and thermonuclear weapons stock piles and solemn undertaking to respect human rights of all its inhabitants regardless of their religious or tribal origins, with equal rights of ownership, marriage, employment, etc. Ie no more ethnic cleansing and genocide!

    Yes or No would suffice, what kind of a fucking prosecutorial question was that?

  97. Francis Fukuyama’s end of history premise has been completely laid to waste by the emergent Russian/Chinese defence strategy. A nuclear submarine based deterrent, silently lurking undetected for long periods not far off the US Coasts, with missiles that travel mostly underwater and emerge to travel at hypersonic speed only during the final few kilometres over land – impossible for NORAD to defend against in coastal areas-NY,LA,Miami,Houston.

    Three hits on the Pentagon,NYSE and CME, and the Great Satan is on its knees, to be beheaded by its own 50m preppers on food stamps!! They are already holding competitions of double-door fridge and flat screen telly cart offs using standard supermarket trolleys, in Walmart parking lots across the good ole US of A, as we speak !!

  98. RD, if you had read the Rothschild link you would have seen that this family of bankers funded Stalin and Hitler, the Zionist war in Palestine, 9/11 and every other major war and false flag that benefited the family. I have never supported al Qaeda or its criminal activities. It was created by the US which as my most recent article states would be its ally if the US bombed Syria. Read and learn. You have a long way to go. I’m not taking this Shilling, and definitely not taking the King’s shilling.

  99. What is a fuckwit?

    That is an interesting question,

    However your rhetorical question/answer of;

    Isn’t it someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing?

    No it does not! ziofuckwit denotes the fucked up wit of the said ziofcukwits who are bent on making acceptable; land theft, mass murder, torture, kidnap, occupation, genocide ………… Far from not knowing what they are doing!

    For my part, I think Zionist works well enough on its own.

    Indeed you are using the same term that the ziofuckwits have put at your disposal, and permitted you to use, as evident in the huge numbers of the support organisation in existence for the cause of the supremacist bastards with the preamble of the term you have been permitted to use.

  100. Fedup

    “What is a fuckwit?
    Isn’t it someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing?”

    “No it does not! ziofuckwit denotes the fucked up wit of the said ziofcukwits who are bent on making acceptable; land theft, mass murder, torture, kidnap, occupation, genocide ………… Far from not knowing what they are doing!”

    I think it’s clear that ziofuckwit as a term is not up to the task of communicating what you’ve described above, and fuckwit itself is reserved for those who don’t know what they’re doing.

    So, as I said at the beginning of this you just distract from any argument you may have, in using this term, and we’ve seen that time and time again.

    It doesn’t add anything and indeed subtracts quite a lot.

    Anyway, see ya later.

  101. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 Sep, 2013 - 9:12 pm

    “I’m sorry but banning someone without giving them the chance to explain what they meant or even apologise counts as censorship in my book”

    Negative attention is better than none at all; just ask any child being reared by inattentive parents.

    No. I think Hab got the attention he wished for. Being ignored is worse, so the only thing to do is throw a rhetorical fit and we see the result. Try an obviously American identity like my own. But then, I’m a gadfly on so-called liberal blogs, so maybe that’s not the reason, RD.

  102. Having been away for a few days, I was pretty shocked to skim through the content of pages 8 to date. I see that the trolls were bringing in my name even though I was absent.

    I am relieved that Habbabkuk has gone but ask why I had to endure ten months of his abuse, insults and personal attrition. At the outset I said what he was and what was going on.

    I see that the other trolls (at least four) still exist and have returned in number to fill the void. It is obvious that their purpose is to act in concert to disrupt and divert the blog which has become farcical.

    Until Craig makes a new post and/or does something about this trolling, I am bowing out as I cannot be bothered with the chaff and flax flying about.

    Remember the Palestinians. This is the latest report from the Palestine Monitoring Group.

    Wednesday, 11 September 2013

    Israeli Army abducts youth (16) and injures 7 people in over 7 hours of night home invasion violence
    Israeli Army plunders 70 Palestinian olive trees
    Israeli Army orders removal of Palestinian electrical generators funded by UNFAO
    Israeli Army assaults funeral gathering – 2 children injured
    Settler fanatics set fire to Palestinian olive trees
    Israeli Army destroys 8 Bedouin dwellings
    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in 3 refugee camps and 10 towns and villages
    27 raids including home invasions – 12 injured
    5 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage
    20 taken prisoner – 10 detained – 103 restrictions of movement

    I see that Kerry has reported in to HQ to report to his boss.
    http://rt.com/news/kerry-netanyahu-syria-chemical-892/

  103. That s/be flak

  104. 1) anti-semite = person critical of Israeli government’s actions

    2) anti-semite = Israeli who hates Palestinians

    3) anti-semite = word with enough ‘stoppage power’ to kill rational debate

    4) anti-semite = person who hates ‘marmite’ but doesn’t know how to spell it

  105. “What is a fuckwit? Isn’t it someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing?”

    Worse. A fuckwit is someone who doesn’t know what they are doing and resists all attempts to point them in the right direction.

    It’s a matter of degree. If someone bursts into a thread for the sole reason of being personally abusive to you that doesn’t make them a fuckwit, just clueless.

    If after you have explained to them if they are abusive to you you will be more abusive back they still do it then they are a fuckwit.

    If they then go whinging to the moderator that you swore at them then they are a shit for brained retard.

    Hope this helps.

  106. “Hasbara Central to MoD. Can you beam him back, Jonny?” — Star Drek – Season 439, Episode 96 – ‘What the duck’s wrong with a ducking duck telling another duck a unproved ducking theory of what the duck’s wrong with this ducking, useless duck site…, eh?’

    IMDB shorthand: ‘WTF?’

    Other Reviewers Recommend: The Beauty and the Yeast + Refrain Man

  107. you just distract from any argument you may have, in using this term, and we’ve seen that time and time again.

    How many times has the term been “searched for” and the link pasted?

    Clearly it is getting under the skin of the zioufckwits, and it makes them uncomfortable. Fact is there is no argument to be engaged in with ziofuckwits. Thus how can it distract?

    I firmly do not wish to enter debate with a mugger as to which wares of mine should the scum bag avail himself of?

  108. Fedup

    “How many times has the term been “searched for” and the link pasted?
    Clearly it is getting under the skin of the zioufckwits, and it makes them uncomfortable.”

    I don’t think so. I think they’re quite happy that you provide for them something easy to focus on, rather than having to deal with solid argument, and more worryingly it allows them to present themselves as some sort of victim.

    Surely you don’t want that?

    “Fact is there is no argument to be engaged in with ziofuckwits. Thus how can it distract?”

    Not true. They hate it when you bring up the facts and counter their presentations with solid rebuttal.

    They much prefer to point up your bad language and other sleights.

    Try it.

    “I firmly do not wish to enter debate with a mugger as to which wares of mine should the scum bag avail himself of?”

    Unfortunately, you’re enabling them to distract from the fact you’re being mugged by allowing them to point out what a nasty foul-mouthed character you are and furthermore, how much you hate them.

    You’re making their lives easy rather than difficult.

  109. “As it is, the plebes are fed a steady, lurid diet of comic book WMD’s and noxious gas portrayals. Bam! Zoom! Whammo! To coin Guantanamo’s Jack Nicholson, we can’t handle the truth, or so it has been decided. Plato’s Republic might be cool with this paternalistic head-patting, except our elite manage to bollox one Guantanamo after another. (Since we’re treading linguistic terrain let me say that I disparage the term “elite” as it conjures up notions of sure-footedness and meritocratic station. Our “elite” are more in the vein of Keystone cops.)”
    http://atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-03-130913.html

    They just won’t quit. Senior Hawk Sen. Lindsey Graham mourns the missed opportunity to strike Syria, and cheerfully launches a new campaign for Congress to grant President Obama pre-approved authorization for insta-hit on Iran, the moment they cross another famed red-line. That one set, I think, by Israel, who monitors the tachometers on Iran’s centrifuges.

  110. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 10:53 pm

    Anti semitism

    “discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews” as found in most of Daniel Rich’s and Krishnamurky’s postings or on most of those there are only two cntral banks that are not yet controlled by the Rothschild’s websites that John Goss is so keen for us to read (please do and feel follow the links to the other unpleasant places they recommend)

    As for Mr Goss – so Al Quaeda are involved in criminal activities but “Al Qaeda targets what it considers to be enemies, not ordinary people going about their daily work”. So perhaps you could elucidate as to what were their crimes – driving with undue care and attention, not paying for their hire or aeroplanes, carelessness in the use of fertilsers.

    And welcome back Mary – can I take it that you disagree with my comment about Stalinists defining what are and are not worthy subjects for debate? Perhaps you might wish to elucidate on why you are better placed than us mere under bridge dwellers to control what is and isn’t said?

  111. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 Sep, 2013 - 10:57 pm

    NR; Ball is my linguistic hero. Thanks for that.

  112. HOT NEWS FROM HASBARA CENTRAL:

    Israel and PA to resume agricultural cooperation after 13-year hiatus By SHARON UDASIN
    09/15/2013 21:34

    PA, Israeli Agriculture Ministries agree to revive some of the joint committees formed under Oslo Accords that were frozen with the onset of the Second Intifada.

    The Israeli and Palestinian agriculture ministries agreed Saturday night to revive some of the joint committees first formed in the 1990s under the Oslo Accords, but which were frozen 13 years ago with the onset of the Second Intifada.

    The two ministries also decided to join forces in establishing a regional center for agronomical cooperation.

    The increased cooperation comes in the midst of the renewed peace process and was announced as US Secretary of State John Kerry made a brief visit to Israel on Sunday.

    The decision to establish the center occurred during a meeting on Saturday night between the director-generals of both the Israeli and Palestinian agriculture ministries, Rammi Cohen and Adbullah Lahlou, the Israeli Agriculture Ministry said. Aiming to renew the cooperative relationship between the two sides in the agricultural sector, the discussions focused heavily on the desire to improve food quality for the Palestinian public. Because agricultural diseases and pests know no borders, enhancing agriculture on the Palestinian side will likewise lead to improvements on the Israeli side, according to the ministry.

    “The residents of Israel and the Palestinian Authority will benefit from a tightening of economic ties, and there is no doubt that agricultural cooperation will help ease the regional tensions, by creating an economic benefit for both sides,” said Agriculture Minister Yair Shamir.”
    …..
    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Israel-and-PA-to-resume-agricultural-cooperation-after-13-year-hiatus-326197

    Doomsayers are no doubt going to be very unhappy about this development. Mary’s command-and-control centre hasn’t received this information yet or has censored it?

  113. resident dissident

    15 Sep, 2013 - 11:09 pm

    For those who have a scintilla of doubt after reading the article by Daryl Bradford Smith linked to by John Goss might I suggest that they have a look at the link below dedicated to the works of the author.

    http://bluwiki.com/go/Leugner

  114. and UNwelcome back to RD.

    You are a troll.

    Seriously no-one likes to read your rubbish – theres enough of that in the corporate media. Your so ridiculously uptight I’m guessing that you wear a too small hat and too small shoes.

    I would much prefer to read John’s posts than your propaganda and attacks on people here.

  115. rather than having to deal with solid argument, and more worryingly it allows them to present themselves as some sort of victim.

    Herbie, you are an eternal optimist. Do you really believe what you have written?

    Being myself a Holocaust survivor who, against all odds endured intensive Israeli Shoa education but still believes in kindness and humanism,

    You are either;
    1- new to this game of internet encounters.
    2- not noticed the intransigence of the ziofuckwits.
    3- think that ziofuckwits are here to “debate”.

    Let me dash your hopes away, in fifteen years of observing these venomous low lives I am yet to see a debate taking place with anyone of the ziofuckwits. They are swamping the various outlets in a bid to educate and indoctrinate the illiterate and unwashed whom have not been brain washed by the corporate media spewing their reels of ziofuckwit friendly propaganda 24/7/52

    I have watched a fucking ziofuckwit “father” wax lyrical about his two year old son being such a conning liar and schemer (evidently signs of intelligence!!) as to try and stop his teeth getting brushed. This narrow minded low life could simply not understand that the standard tooth paste was hurting the poor bastards gums and tongue, and he only needed a change the toothpaste. Needless to point out his unfortunate sprog not wanting to go to bath was also because he was a conning schemer too, and not barbecue the fucking shampoo was burning his eyes.

    These intransigent bastards are in no way capable of thoughts outside the parameters of their indoctrination, under no circumstances can they be open to any kind of change, least of all to be renouncing their criminal and inhuman “politics”.

    So far as the victimhood goes, which fucking planet have you been living on Herbie? The Ziofuckwit “doctrine” is based on; “they are coming to get you!”

    what a nasty foul-mouthed character you are and furthermore, how much you hate them.

    No shit Sherlock, how can anyone with a modicum of decency, humanity, and compassion, not hate, detest and deplore these ziofuckwits?

    That is the problem we the people have been compelled to self censor, and play the game with the rules of; be nice to the fucking ziofuckwits. However be assured that regardless of any amount of compassion directed at any predator, their reversion to type somehow will yield predatory behaviour.

    As Gilad mockingly puts it;

    I might also offer some catchy names with _ew-appeal. (I changed the text given the oh so delicate disposition of certain faction)

    Some samples (no charge)

    iSuffer, iVey, iTler, iZon, iDie, iNnocent, iVictim and iMoral

    Or we could try some more conventional names. How about:

    ‘The Holocaust Game’

    ‘Shoa-kid’

    ‘Sir. Vive’

    ‘Angry Victims’

    ‘Nazi Crush’

    ‘Hoy Station’

    Any attempt to “understand” the imperatives of the ziofuckwits is in fact condoning their barbaric behaviour and helping to solidify the resolve of the ziofuckwits.

    Foul mouthed! Let us hope the world will un-invent the swears and unwholesome vocabulary of derision and disparagement, then perhaps I too will no longer swear.

  116. Sofia Kibo Noh

    15 Sep, 2013 - 11:27 pm

    Nevermind. 12 31pm

    “…that foul smelling dragon has taken to you and no doubt he will let you ride pillion on his tail.”

    Thanks for that delicious image. I can’t deny having hitched many an enjoyable ride on the back of that reptile’s comments. Just as well I have such a poor sense of smell. But I have to tell you that rumours of our intimacy are alas just the figments of imaginations even more absurd than my own.

    As for the news that has shocked the world. Dad’s sudden disappearance was a blow to my sense of identity, having arrived as I did in the spring fully formed, as an eternally 13 and a half year old daughter. My creation was simply a spur-of-the-moment reaction to Dad’s constant bullying of Mary*. But having arrived I just wouldn’t go away and finally managed to turn the tables on Kibo, my creator, and banish her to a lonely and meaningless existence down the rabbit holes of Symplectic Homology, whatever that is.

    Now I’m a cyber-orphan I’m considering stepping aside and allowing Kibo to return, so long as I can banish her again if she gets too pompous or dabbles in poetry again. The alternative is to throw myself at the mercy of the surviving benevolent posters like Anon or RD. I wonder how they would feel about adopting me and my little rural brother ?

    Fedup. 1 02pm

    Thanks for the esugarlumps.That was fecking kind of you. But I’m afraid they arrived too late. Ever since I installed that free Flame Cyber-security sofrtware strange and disturbing things have been happening inside my laptop. The latest was the erussling of my lovely epony and all his fillys. His folder is now empty and echoing. Where could they have got to? I have a <a href=”short”>theory (but I may be lying).

    Good luck this coming week with your jobhunt.

    *Mary. 9 15pm

    Thanks for reminding us of the horrors of just another ordinary day in Palestine.

    Thanks Everyone. Even on the bad days I always feel I’ve learnt something here.

  117. Sofia Kibo Noh

    15 Sep, 2013 - 11:29 pm

    Oops!

    short = theory

  118. so looking forward to the cooperation in agriculture, hasbara villager, especially the special bulldozing and burning skills applied to ancient olive grows.

    Further one has to look at the dependencies for vital resources to understand the intricacies of blackmail, the throat cutting for water that is apparent, all the time.

    screw your link.

  119. Sofia Kibo Noh

    15 Sep, 2013 - 11:34 pm

  120. OK so, and then I’m fairly away from this blog for a while.

    How is Resident Dissident ‘a troll’ or ‘a shill’, apart from providing reasonable questions and answers to the few reasonable questions and answers directed at him? He may disagree with many people here, but we are all for free thinking, are we not? He has rarely failed to engage or respond, as far as I am aware – and I think Jon, who has read more of this than I have, has also backed this up. I entirely support his view that another country being armed with nukes is hardly a solution to anything, for example, and am amazed how far the putative left has come, that they would be supporting the idea that it would be a good thing.

    Similarly, the idea that the ‘Rothschilds’ rule the world is a peculiar and reductive one which makes no sense one way or another. Should it be true – and we might want to talk to China about that – which of the ‘Rothschilds’ are we talking about? The several members of that family who were anti the establishment of Israel (look it up)? The current directors of the merchant bank and associates who are not members of the family? Who?

    I am getting to feel sick whenever I read your posts, Fedup, and it’s not just the ‘ziofuckwits’ – it’s the pissing and shitting and fucking generally. These words are sickening: especially on the page, they cause disgust. If you want to associate your views with a feeling of disgust in someone who has friends in Gaza then you are doing an extraordinarily good job of which the BNP would be proud.

    Good night.

  121. Oh yes, bring that wall dividing Palestine down, walls are evil incarnate, only good for tear jerking graffiti and sad story’s.

    Humans will always refuse walls, because essentially we are herd animals.
    Hope you had a few good walks, Mary, a weekend away from this malodorous assembly, me not excluded.

    Still, time does stop for no one, so lets find out what is being done to Fukushima mand what the fuck is going on with the ratcheting up of tensions/hardware in the eastern Med and beyond.

  122. Oh, bugger that! Here’s the link where I think my epony is.

    PMSL Sofia.

    I may have accidentally been munching on the poor epony while hunting for esugarlumps for him. Link text
    Alas poor epony I ate the lasagna.

  123. antisemitism is an Apartheid word, as it divides, not unites.

    Those who highjack the phrase and make it exclusively ‘theirs,’ are modern-day Boers.

    Nie goed nie.

    For something completely different: I’ve witnessed the birth of a new phenomenon today: the Matryoshka Troll.

    Welcome to this wonderful world, where dis-info and half-truths are regarded as mind-numbing poison.

    Now, go get your pampers b4 the s*** hits the fan.

  124. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 Sep, 2013 - 11:50 pm

    I agree Tech. I’m of the mind that friction is necessary to sharpen one’s knife. Metal is sacrificed in order to hone the edge. A dull knife does no good. Some, though contrary, provide the grist for the unwary.

  125. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 Sep, 2013 - 11:59 pm

    Craig; This would be a propitious time for a new thread. How’s the spur?

  126. I am getting to feel sick whenever I read your posts, Fedup

    You are free not to read my posts, are you not? (evidently it is free thinking, so long as ziofuckwits are concerned, the rest of us mere mortals, are just disgusting foul-mouthed, putative shite and bollocks).

    If you want to associate your views with a feeling of disgust in someone who has friends in Gaza then you are doing an extraordinarily good job of which the BNP would be proud.

    However do not proceed to a bollocksological hyperbole, taking a jump into conclusions that you have no basis for. I understand your anger, after all the star troll has been banished, and that could itself be so upsetting for you.

    another country being armed with nukes is hardly a solution to anything,

    Why do you not propose total disarmament of the nukes in the mideast? The notions that certain entities have a god given right to own nukes and others can go and suck eggs is a natural order of the world for you, and anyone who disagrees with that are just; disgusting foul-mouthed, putative shite and bollocks!

    Syria is coming around to declare their wmd stockpiles, why is zionistan not following suit?

    Anyone who can make nukes can own them, or no one is to own a one, but that is not the order of the envisaged world in which you are living in, is it?

  127. “I agree Tech. I’m of the mind that friction is necessary to sharpen one’s knife. Metal is sacrificed in order to hone the edge. A dull knife does no good. Some, though contrary, provide the grist for the unwary.”

    Not to put too fine an edge on it.

  128. friction is necessary to sharpen one’s knife. Metal is sacrificed in order to hone the edge.

    Yeah very true Ben; “go have another puff on your bung”, was so honing for your knife I suppose!

    What are you on about?

    To be in a constant state of flux which the messenger is attacked and not the message is by no means an exercise in honing.

  129. Interesting image re ships around Syria;

    The map does not show any of the 11 Chinese warships in the region, including destoryers, missile frigates and support vessels. The 4-ton elephant in the room that the media likes to keep quiet about, and probaly the deciding factor in the US aborting it’s planned attack on Syria.

    The Chinese are despatching more this month, maybe they are anticipating an escalation. I see an Iraq scenario in the making ‘Assad refuses to let UN Weapons inspectors access”, “Assad kicks out UN Weapons inspectors” blah blah blah. No one would be surprised if they are waiting to disarm Syria of WMD before an attack – just as they did with Iraq.

    The fact that the UK and France appear OBSESSED with raising a UN resolution addressing non-compliance and punishment before the ink is even dry on the current deal speaks volumes about their ultimate goal. Also, they way that they keep saying that it is the threat of force (a war of agression) that brought Assad to the table makes want to puke when it is they that have been forced to the table by Russia and China, otherwise the bombing would have started weeks ago.

  130. The US are obsessed with the ‘punishment’ UN resolution too. John “insane” McCain may be letting the cat out the bag, Assad is going to be the next Saddam.

    “We’re working on addition to the resolution to make sure that proper conditions are met with firm conditions for action”

    “The one thing we can’t do is let it become a joke* like Saddam Hussein was in 2003.”

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/09/10/mccain_graham_working_on_resolution_to_make_sure_the_un_defangs_assad.html

    * Here’s that ‘joke’ in full.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ

  131. Fedup

    Thanks for that comprehensive outline of your position, and ever more mucho thankos for suggesting I’m a newbie.

    You say:

    “These intransigent bastards are in no way capable of thoughts outside the parameters of their indoctrination, under no circumstances can they be open to any kind of change, least of all to be renouncing their criminal and inhuman “politics”.”

    I think many Catholics in NI thought and said things exactly like that, word for word in fact, about Ulster Protestantism and indeed Protestants. They were in a local conflict, after all.

    I’m sure it wouldn’t ever enter their heads to say anything like that today. It’s so naively reductive and kind of like gauche and embarrassing to be caught saying anything like that today. It’s so unfashionable too. They’d probably be saying it about global eiltes these days, or the Catholic Church or whatever.

    The perspective has widened. It’s all big picture stuff now.

    The “conflict” in NI ended when powers outside NI had no further use for it, or it clashed with other plans they had, and I believe the Palestinians will be similarly relieved when Israel becomes less important to its current allies. That could happen in all sorts of ways.

    I do think that process is underway with the standoff over Syria, and what happens in Syria will be key to the direction things are going.

    I’m cautiously optimistic.

    And, if the balance shifts, make sure and assist it with solid argument, because fucky this and fucky that will swiftly fall ot of fashion.

    I’ve seen it all before.

  132. keep saying that it is the threat of force (a war of agression) that brought Assad to the table makes want to puke when it is they that have been forced to the table by Russia and China, otherwise the bombing would have started weeks ago.

    Very true, the only reason Syrians are not getting “democratised”, and “liberated” for weeks by now. However, the lack of Syrian blood flowing rivers, has disappointed a lot of interests.

    Have you seen the Syrian “FSO” fuckwit with his dyed black hair and tash doing the rounds in the studios, and urging an attack on Assad now?!

    There seems to be a total black out on the Chinese naval assets dispatched to the Med.

  133. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    16 Sep, 2013 - 12:22 am

    I’m not on about anything except moving on, fedup. Have you considered the possibility that your anger may adversely affect your physical health? Really, I love your passion and writing in many ways works to expunge, but it’s like modern-day medical ‘practice’. They treat the symptoms and not the causation because there’s more money in that process. Venting is a lot like that current medical practice. But I agree it’s better to vent than internalize that undiagnosed cause. I know you’ve lost your job, and that is a shame. I wish you well but don’t know your circumstances. It’s easy to give advice to others and I apologize for my intrusion, but I thought it best to say what I think.

    =======

    If you are still with me, look for ways to live in the present. If it’s not presumptuous can I suggest an incredibly honest accounting by one Ram Dass. ‘Be here Now’ Just a suggestion.

  134. Herbie,

    The day that I see a move towards a better world for the poor bastards in the mideast whom have been subject to living in abject poverty and under a constant regime of humiliation, will be a cold day in hell.

    You have outlined the NI situation, and have failed to notice that there is no willingness among the outside influences that have created the fucked up situation in the mideast.

    Therefore we can safely assume that until such a time that funding for the hasbara agents have been cut off, we will still be subject to the same regime of disruption and intrusion by the assigned keyboard offence brigades. However in the absence of these reactionary ziofuckwits, it would a be different world and there would be no need to disparage their efforts in “indoctrination and education” of those who have slipped the comprehensive net of the media?

  135. Sofia Kibo Noh

    16 Sep, 2013 - 12:39 am

    If it’s a good idea to get rid of chemical weapons (of course it is), then what about US chemical weapons? Or is that a silly question because they’re good ‘cos they’re Ours?

    Yes, I know the US is across the Atlantic, but my theory is they’re ours because of our vasal status.

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-arsenal-lessons-syria-chemical-weapons-071108793–politics.html

    And then, of course, there’s Israel’s stockpile. This surely remains a key issue whatever words we use to describe it,

    http://rt.com/op-edge/israel-syria-chemical-weapons-disarmament-866/

    With any luck the new realities will bring all this into focus as increasing numbers of people turn away from the patently false narratives of the corporate media, start finding out for themselves, and withdraw their support.

  136. ‘Syrian chemical weapons agreement bound for United Nations Security Council’

    The U.S. and Russia shook hands on a groundbreaking framework agreement Saturday to identify Syria’s chemical weapons, place them under control of the Chemical Weapons Convention and its compliance body, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, and to ultimately dismantle them.

    “The world will now expect the Assad regime to live up to its public commitments,” U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said.

    U.N. sources said Sunday the U.N. chemical weapons inspectors’ report on the alleged chemical weapons attack near Damascus will be made public Monday morning, and Ake Sellstrom, the Swedish scientist who heads the team, will be on hand to brief U.N. Security Council members in closed-door consultations.

    The spokesman for the U.N. Secretary-General said Sunday he received the formal instrument of accession to the 1992 Chemical Weapons Convention from Syria on Saturday and said that Syria’s membership will enter into force on October 14, 2013.

    The Syria chemical weapons disarmament agreement between Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was a breakthrough and a relief to both the U.S. and Russia.

    There has been a clear shift represented in the Geneva framework: Russia has agreed to put forward an enforceable U.N. Security Council resolution and to include a provision that envisions further measures in the event of non-compliance by Syria.

    Negotiations will now turn to U.N. ambassadors, and Kerry indicated on Saturday that the U.S. has agreed to not have a use-of-force trigger in the U.N. resolution, but he will seek one if Syrian President Bashar Assad does not follow through.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57602976/syrian-chemical-weapons-agreement-bound-for-united-nations-security-council/

  137. Ben I am in here and now!

    I am living in a world of shit, that is not of my own making, because some fuckwit was playing roulette without the risk of losing, so the debts have compiled and the money has devalued, as well as the quality of life declining.

    I had no part in the gambling, or mismanagement of the funds or the country, but I am paying for it nonetheless. I am legion, there are working people who are reliant on food banks, ie begging for food. The company that I worked for is among the many thousands that have gone belly up, and I am one of the many hundreds of thousands who have ended up to be without a job.

    Here and now Ben is a world of shit!

    It is all holistically linked Ben, a man suffering torture in a zionistan jail. that man’s rights are linked to my rights, and since he has none, my rights are eroded too. I get treated like a fugitive or criminal just because I want to fly somewhere, all for my own good evidently!

    I lose my job, not because I was lazy, inefficient, or did not want to work, because the firm that worked for had no customers. The customers who are reliant on fucking food banks cannot buy much, so the firm goes belly up.

    You talk about internalise, or externalise, are you retired Ben?

  138. Yes, what Technicolour said. Firstly, I’m quite sure Resident Dissident has posted much of value here, and someone disagreeing is not at all the same as trolling. His approach seems mainly to be serious, rational debate – our recent departed contributor, on the other hand, slipped in a barbed comment in every other post.

    On the stream of unpleasant invective from Fedup and co, I agree. However we’ve always put up with it, since it mostly isn’t directed at anyone here. The “Ziofuckwits” discussion has been done to death: Craig’s asked in a comment for someone to reduce their usage of it, but it’s not been a deletable offence. I’m not entirely bothered about it, personally – there’s something silly and trivial about it, and it seems to hold no power for me. The rest of the expletives really are unpleasant though, and are well over-used by some contributors.

    True, we’ve had a lot of nasty language from Fred, which has been directed at people. Fred ignores my requests to calm down, claiming that he is being bullied, which I see no evidence of. I delete some of this stuff when I see it, but – being rather human myself – I am aware how easy it is to become dragged down by all the unpleasantness and vitriol. So, if there’s any inconsistency in moderation, it’s because I can’t always bring myself to wade through other people’s dirt. I continue to be grateful to contributors – whatever their political persuasion – who comport themselves with civility.

    RD, you may be right about Krishnamurky. On the one hand, I was pleased to see that when faced with a ban for persistent racism, he cleaned up his act and made an interesting contribution about Syria. But, the (deleted) Holocaust-themed comments were pretty dreadful, and I did ask him not to come back. Perhaps I am unrealistically optimistic that racists of all political stripes are reformable!

    We’ll have to disagree about Habbabkuk unfortunately, though as one of the rational dissenters here, I really do support your making a gentle appeal to our benevolent host. Needless to say, if Craig asks for the ban to be undone I will make the arrangements in a jiffy. I do think it is possible however for someone to hold conservative views and to see Habbabkuk’s final contribution as, absolutely, beyond the pale. I’d have just deleted it if it wasn’t for a substantial history of barely-concealed needling and being entirely impervious to repeated entreaties.

    I should be very glad, incidentally, to have more conservative posters active here, and would second Mike’s thoughts on the topic. We remain in the awkward zone of being without a posting policy, a situation that will probably persist. However, I remain positive that we can make a good go of it notwithstanding, and that the fractious readership here will have a fiery disagreement about something fairly soon :)

  139. RD: “Yep he was so shocked to his core that he had to rush off and get employment from the perpetrator of the deed, the salute of his indefatigability cannot be far behind. To any reasonable person the explanation can only be either prostitution or anti-westernism or possibly both. Perhaps Macky who carries something of a flame for the Gorgeous one might wish to elucidate.”

    Simple, for the same reason he spent years denouncing Saddam Hussein, whilst everybody else was busy selling him weapons, and then he did he utmost to try to avert the impending catastrophe befalling Iraq & its people.

    RD: “That said I shall not go crying too the moderator – I’ll leave that to yourself and other lovers of censorship.”

    That’s a bit rich RD ! It was your complaint iro of Cryptonym’s post, claiming that is was anti-Semitic that lead to Jon deleting it, which Cryptonym promptly re-posted as it was NOT anti-Semitic (despite both yours & Jon’s hyper-paranoid interpretation), hence the reason he left this Blog in disgust. Already you have asked why Krishnamurky & John Goss, have not been banned (even though the former has !), and you have now accused Daniel Rich, as well as re-accusing John Goss, of being anti-Semitic.

    Rd: “I should also add that I never bought into the logic of MAD and the Cold War either.”

    So do you believe we should scrap Trident, & give up all of our weapons of mass destruction ?

    Villager: “you gave *no* warning to an intelligent, rational, generally respectful, eloquent and undoubtedly witty regular commenter”

    I think I speak for the majority here, when I state that the only correct adjective here that is not an inverse, is the word “regular”.

    Village: “But if you decide to stay, you can rest fully assured that Macky & Co. will not any further be calling your ill-considered, loose-cannon moderation “shambolic. For, you have done their bidding.”

    On the contrary, Jon’s failure for months to deal with such a blatant & vile Troll, is just one of my concerns about his moderating, the others remain.

    Fedup: “Macky, where are the Chinese ships at?”

    Sorry no idea, but Emmpey seems to know !

    Mary: “I see that the trolls were bringing in my name even though I was absent”

    Yes, a certain Clown Troll was actually counting the days to your return; see I told you that you would be missed !

    Mike: “Without contrarians, all we’ve got is an echo chamber”

    A Troll is not a contrarian; to a look at Harry’s Place to see a real echo chamber, and try posting there if this Blog is too consensual for you.

  140. “But I agree it’s better to vent than internalize that undiagnosed cause. I know you’ve lost your job, and that is a shame.”

    Yes, it is a shame, Ben. But could I point out that the ‘pissing and shitting and fucking’ didn’t start when he lost his job. He’s always talked like that. And it do get old.

    I agree with Herbie too that it all probably rolls off Zionists like water off a duck. He’s achieving nothing.

    g’night

  141. Mary: “I see that the trolls were bringing in my name even though I was absent”

    Yes, a certain Clown Troll was actually counting the days to your return; see I told you that you would be missed !

    Oh knock it off, Macky. Technicolour’s name has been brought in when s/he wasn’t here (I believe by you, actually) and so has mine. It’s no big deal and I don’t know why Mary seems to think it’s so important. It’s not. All sorts of people have been mentioned in their absence.

    Gone

  142. Yes, it is a shame, Ben. But could I point out that the ‘pissing and shitting and fucking’ didn’t start when he lost his job. He’s always talked like that. And it do get old.

    I agree with Herbie too that it all probably rolls off Zionists like water off a duck. He’s achieving nothing.

    Why do you talk over me?

    There is no reason for you to get involved, if you don’t like what you read, skip the fucking posts!

    It is getting beyond the fucking pale for you and your gang to gang up on cleaning up the fucking language on this blog now!

    Don’t like swears then don’t fucking read the post

    I have no value, zilch value, bugger all value for any inputs of yours, and never have attempted to debate with you, why do you insist on trying to establish any kind of communication with me, or take it upon yourself to talk about me?

  143. “Going into elections, Merkel says support for Israel’s security ‘part of Germany’s raison d’etre’”
    http://www.jpost.com/International/Merkel-Israel-part-of-Germanys-security-rejects-anti-Zionism-326174

    Mmmmm, let me try and get my head around this… nope, nothing doing.

    So, how’s this going to appeal to Germany’s voters I wonder? Oh wait, it’s not for them. She must be trying to influence someone else, but who? And what do they have to do with German elections? What a mystery it all is.

  144. Dreoilin: “Oh knock it off, Macky.”

    Oh yes, I forgot “Sweet” Dreolin, you don’t do humour unless it’s your own.

    (still very prickly over anything to do with Mary I see)

  145. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    16 Sep, 2013 - 1:17 am

    I’m not purposely talking over you, and I didn’t say anything about profanity. Why must you assume bad faith on anyone who doesn’t swallow your Dover sole whole. I’m not gonna get sucked into that vortex. Thanks for the advice

  146. The reports pertaing to the PLAN in the med originate from Egypt, they were reported on as they passed through Suez. Interestingly the Chinese have a presence just of the Libyan coast as well as Syria. That is a significant deployment considering much of the arms and fighters opposing Syrian Arab Army are coming from Libya.

  147. Des Res

    Shill means pretending to be neutral but secretly supporting something unpleasant. Israeli APARTHEID is well described in its stupidity and evil by the term Ziofuckwit. It’s called British understatement.

  148. “US rapper Kanye West charged over paparazzo attack”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24090094

  149. BrianFujisan

    16 Sep, 2013 - 2:36 am

    On my REGULAR Sunday adventure into the highlands with my two lady Friend’s…One of them informed me that Assad has admitted to using CW… i kid you not, i’m supposed to listen to this, and DRIVE SAFELY

  150. @Emmpey – The F22 stealth that was shot down in Serbia was the result of Chinese “tranche” radar tech, the “accidental” missiles that landed on the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade were no accident. The remaining 20, 20 year old $2b each B2 Stealths are no longer stealth, and they only fly at 560mph, easy meat for an on sight kill. Only the vast (80 JDAMS each) amount of damage they can deliver could have caused any damage in Syria, but they are easy prey now to faster moving scrambled Syrian fighters – THE PATRIOTS INSTALLED IN JORDAN WERE TO COVER THE B2s IT WAS ALL PREPLANNED. Only Putin scuttled the devils’ plans.

  151. I’m of the old school. When folk start shouting and swearing, they have no answer to the argument. Their hope is that their childish actions will bore you of the will to live, and to stop folk asking awkward questions.
    It also has the desired effect of driving folk away, as who wants to read childish rubbish full of swearing?

  152. We hear about “disruption” but nobody can explain what is being disrupted. 

    We hear about “distraction” on threads where non-sequiturs litter every third or fourth comment. 

    We hear about “diversion” from someone whose posts are intended to divert attention.

    We hear accusations of “trolling” automatically levelled against those who take an opposite position.

    We hear frequent accusations of “racism” on a blog obsessed with “race”, especially j_ws.

    We hear complaints about “vile” language from commentators who use, support or remain silent on other’s liberal use of words like “ziofuckwit”, “cunt” and “wanker”. 

    We hear about “harrassing” from posters who dredge up long forgotten comments on other threads to reinvigorate hostilities.

    We hear complaints about “offensiveness” from people who *take* offence at almost everything and then fire off insults in reply.

    And we hear about hypocrisy from those who don’t know the meaning of irony.

    Welcome to the Animal Farm

  153. As only an occasional poster, my view is that the blog suffers from folk using it only as forum for discussing the middle east.
    No matter what the subject Craig blogs on, within a few posts it goes to its default setting of pro/anti Isradl.

  154. Typos!

  155. Those pesky Isradles!

  156. the fractious readership here will have a fiery disagreement about something fairly soon :)

    WTF? I go away for the weekend and come back to find Rubbaduck’s bleeding corpse in the drive…Sofia is distraught and Villager, blinded by tears, rode his trike into a lamp post. I hope you realise what you’ve done, Jon.

    Though if I have it correctly, Rubbaduck’s remark was no worse than I have seen from other resident trolls on other fora. He didn’t even post pictures indicative of a tendency to coprophagia. Generally speaking, his was pretty low-grade trolling, and I hope the surviving excrescences will be moved to improve their acts.

    Whatever, I haven’t seen much about Blair here lately. And there is a lot that could be said. Jonathan Cook says it:

    http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2013-04-23/tony-blairs-tangled-web-the-quartet-representative-and-the-peace-process/

    In which we see that despite the pleas of Europe, the Quartet and its representative are fraudulent. Ok, we knew that already…but here are some reasons.

  157. Emmpay, I agree. Merkel is no different from other groups owned by the Rothschilds, like Labour Friends of Israel, Tory Friends of Israel and German political parties “Friends of Israel”. They are not really friends of anybody but they are owned.

    I get told off, though it does not bother me, for calling the Traditional Britain racist group Fascist but they are. Hitler had similar comments to those expressed against Muslims in this article for Jews.

    http://traditionalbritain.org/content/eu-islamifying-europe

  158. Emmpay the Merkel article talks about constraining Iran’s nuclear weapons pointed at Israel. It does not mention the Israeli nuclear weapons pointed at every Middle East country. The irony is that Iran does not have nuclear weapons, but Israel (illegally) does.

  159. “Fred ignores my requests to calm down, claiming that he is being bullied, which I see no evidence of. ”

    Tell me when an exchange was instigated by me. Tell me when they weren’t a reply to personal remarks made about me.

    How many times has the name Juteman appeared in the body of a post made by me? How many times has the word Fred appeared in a post made by him?

    Maybe you just don’t want to see.

    Get this clear, I will not waste my time defending myself from personal attacks, someone makes remarks about me and they get both barrels, if they don’t like it they shouldn’t do it.

    BTW I think if more people were to take my approach there wouldn’t be nearly as much in fighting and back biting round here, spend more time talking about each other than anything else. I don’t play those games.

  160. “As only an occasional poster, my view is that the blog suffers from folk using it only as forum for discussing the middle east.”

    I wonder why? It’s all a mystery to me. Here’s my guess; because the politcal/media/military nexus is all projected towards that region and promting the agenda of a certain member state who’s entire ‘rasion d’eter’ is to be racist/barbaric/inhuman towards the locals and their neighbours (and dragging us into their filthy business). Just a guess mind, the alternative view I suppose is that they are simply Jew hating anti-Semites like Jimmy Carter, Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi, John F Kenedy, etc. etc. and all their ilk.

  161. Merkels re-election has been pre determined by the charismatic Horst Seehofer, Bavarian premiere, a proponent of the CSU who will, as tradition demands, foist its policies on to the CDU.
    Seehofer was proposing to charge foreigners road tax, a very embarrassing outburst for Merkel.
    Yesterday he won with a landslide and the FDP, the German equivalent of the Lib Dems, hanging their banner wherever the wind comes from, lost all support with Bavaria’s 9.5 million eligible voters.

    far from me to blame the Fuggers or any other financiers. BMW and Mercedes have large Saudi share ownership, they might be owning the damn firm for all I know, some 4% of Krupp/Thyssen is owned by Iran, still they managed to build two Dolphin class subs for Israel at no price at all, a bargain.

    Merkel will be re elected and she is by far too clever then to be bowled over by the cheese heads of the CSU.
    The Greens will not have enough clout to go into coalition with the SPD and we will have to see how the new anti EU party will be able to pull the wool over voters eyes.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/bavarian-state-election-expected-to-boost-merkel-s-conservatives-a-921730.html

  162. Constant swearing turns folk away from a thread. Maybe that’s the intent?
    If you can’t quiz someone about their political views on a political blog, without receiving swearing and abuse, then what is the point of the blog?

  163. Good article Komodo on Blair’s love for Zionists in his role as Peace Envoy. Revealing how he praised the Israeli genocide of 2006 which even Billy Hague called ‘disproportionate’. What an evil man. In his own words from the article:

    “[T]he thing that ultimately motivates those who built the State of Israel and sustain it still, and those from the outside like me who are prepared to stand up resolutely and defend Israel, is the ideal that lay behind the creation of the State of Israel. Because those people struggled and fought but, above all, they built and they built something remarkable. They built it with a lot of opposition from a lot of people.”

    They did not build it with any opposition from Blair because he was funded by the Rothschilds. And when William Hague called the disproportionate killing of men, women and children in Lebanon.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9740044/The-cowardice-at-the-heart-of-our-relationship-with-Israel.html

    If you watch Peter Oborne’s Channel 4 documentary you will learn that Israeli funding of the Tories ceased and Hague backtracked on his original comment. That is how the Rothschilds operate. Everything needs to be in their interests. Tony Blair is not ashamed of his love for Zionism. Though how he can claim to be a Christian is beyond me. The parable of the prodigal son was one of yesterday’s messages where the returning brother, having blown his bundle, goes back to the family fold and gets forgiveness. Is Blair going to make a death-bed confession to save his soul? Can he be forgiven?

  164. “And when William Hague called the disproportionate killing of men, women and children in Lebanon.”

    should have read:

    “This is what William Hague called the disproportionate killing of men, women and children in Lebanon.”

  165. Here’s the aircraft Tony charters whenever he wants to slip out to the shops wealthy dictators:

    http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/181775/g-ceyl-private-bombardier-bd-700-1a10-global-express/

    Flash, innit? Plenty of room for his minders and “Lord” Mandelson, too.

    You can track Tony around the world using the extensive e-presence of plane spotters; he’s used it to visit Adirondack, Bangkok, Bengurion and Zurich (for the G20) airports. And probably many more. No buses for Tony!

    Although this belongs to Aravco, a small British leasing/charter company, it doesn’t appear on some of the planespotter fleet lists.

    Note the registration: G-CEYL. For future reference.

  166. I should clarify that Ms. Merkel believes that ‘antizionismn’ is illegitimate and dangerous. (Why?) She said here

    http://www.abendblatt.de/politik/deutschland/article120013278/Merkel-warnt-vor-Delegitimierung-Israels.html

    “, im Fall einer Krise wegen iranischer Kernwaffen werde Deutschland Israel unterstützen: “Das heißt, dass wir nie neutral sind, sondern dass Israel sich unserer Unterstützung für seine Sicherheit sicher sein kann. Deshalb habe ich auch gesagt, das Eintreten für Israels Sicherheit ist Teil unserer Staatsräson.”

    freely translated “this means that in case of a crisis over Irans nuclear weapons Germany will support Israel. That means that we will never be neutral and that Israel can count on our support for their security, that’s why we said that standing in for Israels security is an integral part of Germany’s reason of state/realm.”

    I wholly disagree with Ms. Merkel and the guilt ridden left over Nazi’s within her party. She is blind to the majority in Israel who wants to see better relations with its neighbours and she is blind/ or part of the immense pressure put on Iran by France the US and its allies, not to speak of Israeli cruise missile destroyers paroling/posing of the Iranian coast.

    Zionist, who sucked up to Hitler when they asked him to be in charge of the Holy land in 1941, and the CDU/CSU have much in common, the mindset has not disappeared, so lets be realists, Germany under Merkel will always support Israel and the ousted Shah, that is what you get with German right wing politicians.

  167. It has the right colour to match his soul, Komodo. Hope you did not take offence for my allocation of your majestic tail pillion to Sofia.

    She’s tickled pink, I think.

    Had a few air acrobats this morning, filling in their flying hours I presume.

  168. “I had no part in the gambling, or mismanagement of the funds or the country, but I am paying for it nonetheless. I am legion, there are working people who are reliant on food banks, ie begging for food. The company that I worked for is among the many thousands that have gone belly up, and I am one of the many hundreds of thousands who have ended up to be without a job.”

    You think you’ve got problems, croft next door to me just got bought by a fracking company.

    The most worrying thing about what you say is that it is being allowed to happen again. Every one of the executives of those companies which caused the financial crisis instead of serving life which they deserve is back in business and back selling sub-prime loans.

    We have people on life support machines being told they are fit for work, people told they must pay or move when there is nowhere for them to go. Yet for those who’s greed caused all this misery it is business as usual.

    http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/09/11/13327/subprime-lending-execs-back-business-five-years-after-crash

  169. Habbabkuk, where are you? I think that imposter who stole your identity has returned!

  170. Forgiveness is automatic, Nevermind, even if there is anything to forgive…

    Yeah, the sky is rumbling here too. Practice makes perfect, I guess.

    G-CEYL made me think of the John Player racing colours…wonder if our man advises the tobacco giants too?

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u6ydMFIxhZI/TxnNBh4SviI/AAAAAAAADTA/cOKbOaPHdus/s1600/Norton+F1+Sport.jpg

  171. “If you can’t quiz someone about their political views on a political blog, without receiving swearing and abuse, then what is the point of the blog?”

    No one has sworn at you for asking their opinion.

    They swear at you for falsely stating their opinions.

    If someone tells you they are opposed to Nationalism as a political doctrine then you go around the blog telling everyone they are a member of the BNP you are going to get sworn at. And some You ain’t seen nothing yet.

    Understand?

  172. Fred, I don’t think you know how ridiculous someone looks when they use the language of physical confrontation in pixel space.

    “Get this clear, I will not waste my time defending myself from personal attacks..”

    Your own excellent advice. Take it.

    ” I think if more people were to take my approach there wouldn’t be nearly as much in fighting and back biting round here…”

    Fighting and backbiting discourages fighting and backbiting? Look at yourself.

  173. “This morning the UN issued a picture of Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon receiving the Chemical Weapons Report on Syria from the Head of the Investigation Team Avi Sellstrom.

    “Zooming in on the letter in the photo reveals that it is a “Letter of Transmittal” in which the essential conclusion of the report can be seen i.e. that, “rockets containing the nerve gas sarin were used in Ein Tarma, Muadhamiya and Zamalka in the Ghouta area of Damascus.”

    “The rockets which have been identified as having being linked to the attack bear a strong resemblance to the US M130 SLUFAE, but we await the publication of the full report, (which will be appearing here [link]) and the Syrian government’s promised response (expected later today)

    http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2013/09/16/un-report-on-syria-chemical-weapons-photo/

  174. Dreolin, so we strongly suspect the delivery system is United States developed. Who did they not sell these inferior missiles to? The US used chemical weapons in the Vietnam war. Hmm.

  175. “Fred, I don’t think you know how ridiculous someone looks when they use the language of physical confrontation in pixel space. ”

    If you don’t like it don’t read it.

    Quite frankly your opinion in not one I rate highly.

  176. Sofia Kibo Noh

    16 Sep, 2013 - 10:28 am

    For your information Mr Never-turn-down-a-free-meal Komodo, I was distraught because my epony was turned into lasagne. And why did you leave a leg?

    Hope you did not take offence for my allocation of your majestic tail pillion to Sofia.

    Take offence from always polite, sober Nevermind? Your analogy perfectly describes my attitude to that reptile. What a ride! But when it comes to showing him how to behave appropriately he’s hard work.

    I mean just look at him showing off on that motorbike. It’s only a matter of time before he gets his tail wound up in the back wheel. My little brother will have the last laugh!

  177. The US M130 SLUFAE has a range of 150 metres in its original role as a fuel-air explosive missile designed to detonate minefields:
    http://www.military-today.com/engineering/slufae.htm

    This would be dangerously close range for the operator in a contested area. A much smaller payload would be needed to poison a few hundred civilians, though. The US abandoned the project in 1978. The Russians have a much better thermobaric rocket launcher, the TOS-1, but the missiles are very different in appearance

  178. Sofia, that was two other dragons. I hate lasagne. But let me know where the leg is and I’ll dispose of it safely for you.

    Fred, you’re a balloon. And if me and my mates find you down a dark e-alley, we’ll insult you to death. Terrified? No, of course not.

  179. “The US abandoned the project in 1978″

    That far back? So who on earth would be likely to be using them?

  180. Dearie me, i’m shiteing myself.
    As i said earlier Fred, grow up and stop making yourself sound like a 12 year old.
    I’ll look in now and again when there are Scottish themed threads.

  181. “As i said earlier Fred, grow up and stop making yourself sound like a 12 year old.”

    Go fuck yourself shit for brains.

  182. Agree Komodo, anybody using this launcher to lob CW’s would inevitably endanger their own peeps.

    My mate is just building up a 750Norton on a wideline frame. He has two tatty Borani alu rims and a fred Tickle dual action front brake on it. He needs to restore the lot, one of the rims (front) has a a slight kink and I’m advising him to get another better one instead.

    Sofia be rest assured, Komodo’s tail is never going to get into the wheels because he’s going like stink and he has his shopping bag full of offal hanging off it.

  183. Sofia Kibo Noh

    16 Sep, 2013 - 10:57 am

    Typical diversionary post there. Mod, where are you?

    You can’t squirm out of it that easily Mr Komodo.

    And Mrs Purvis saw you dragging Dad in under the Morpurgo’s ornamental cypress and that’s where all the half chewed bit’s, and the leg, are.

    And anyway , you pretty much confessed earlier.

    ”…I go away for the weekend and come back to find Rubbaduck’s bleeding corpse in the drive…Sofia is distraught and Villager, blinded by tears, rode his trike into a lamp post.

    Have you never heard of taking responsibility?

    Sometimes I just feel like giving up!

  184. Flicked on Sky and flicked it off again. They’re showing J Kerry live. Naturally.

    In blog comments somewhere recently someone said John Kerry’s face was like a deflated football* with eyes.

    *american

  185. Hah!

  186. [Mod/Jon: escalation of insult war, please be more mellow]

  187. And Mrs Purvis saw you dragging Dad in under the Morpurgo’s ornamental cypress and that’s where all the half chewed bit’s, and the leg, are.

    Mrs Purvis is as blind as a bat. The first time she saw me, she said “What a lovely rottweiler.” And patted me on the head. Anyway, your dad’s just discovered proxy servers, so it can’t have been him I ate.

  188. Re;
    Chinese vessels apparently ankered off Libya and elsewhere. Libya is the preferred sweet crude supplier, indeed their crude can be used by tanks and ships without much cracking, so its a vital logistic line for anybody wanting to have a crack at Syria or Iran, although Iraq has stepped in to replace the Libyan crude, but it ain’t as sweet and if push comes to shove, they will go and get it.

    But they first have to fight the factions that control the oilfields and it might be inevitable to secure the supply lines from outside Libya, i.e. a partial occupation of its main oil exporting ports currently in the hands of ‘rebels’.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f13cad2a-1163-11e3-a14c-00144feabdc0,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2Ff13cad2a-1163-11e3-a14c-00144feabdc0.html%3Fsiteedition%3Duk&siteedition=uk&_i_referer=

  189. My mate is just building up a 750Norton on a wideline frame. He has two tatty Borani alu rims and a fred Tickle dual action front brake on it. He needs to restore the lot, one of the rims (front) has a a slight kink and I’m advising him to get another better one instead.

    Agree about the rim. Straightening it will only weaken it further, but if it’s only a small kink on the edge, no biggy. He’ll be using tubed tyres. Good project – I gather the wideline frame is a vast improvement on the Commando’s original chassis.

  190. That far back? So who on earth would be likely to be using them?

    As surplus stock, almost anyone I can think of. On the one hand, I imagine they’d be easy to modify for CW delivery – both fuel-air and CW payloads are liquid, and are dispersed as aerosols by a bursting charge – on the other the short range, even if it were doubled or tripled by reducing the payload, would make them suicidal for the CW user. I’ve seen other suggestions as to what the rocket cases found in Damascus belonged to. I may even have linked to that at some point. Maybe the UN report will clarify things.

    And look at the shape of this one. You can just make it out:
    http://defense-update.com/news/6702carpet.htm

    Well, guess who.

  191. “On my REGULAR Sunday adventure into the highlands with my two lady Friend’s…One of them informed me that Assad has admitted to using CW… i kid you not, i’m supposed to listen to this, and DRIVE SAFELY”

    Och aye! That’s Jo Coburn for you. Was the other passenger Baroness Neville Jones? Did they start making funny faces and resort to playground ‘na naa na na naa’ing when you hit them with the facts? You’re George Galloway aren’t you?

  192. Thanks, K

  193. It’s only got a range of 165m in production form though, D, and the tail’s different.
    Damascus rocket:
    http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/diy-weapon-linked-to-alleged-chemical.html
    Israeli rocket:
    http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/3/953.pdf

    What the Damascus pic shows is designed either for CW or fuel-air. It’s not binary – someone would have had to mix the precursors and fill the missile preferably not too long before use, the effects would reduce with storage time. As, possibly, they did.

  194. Wings of scotland has an article which highlights how absurdly fucked up this country is becoming. Pictures of beaming politicians opening food banks.

    Here’s a, somewhat party partial, article discussing the problems with the trussell trust.

    Here is a working grass roots foodbank in london. We provide food and hot drinks to the homeless, without question, no vouchers required, day in day out. Everything goes to those who need it. We have no paid staff, no bureaucratic costs nor corporate sponsorship. As winter sets in the demand will rise further and to be frank we some support. Sorry to tap you up but, if you can, right now we need cash for hot drink supplies.

    http://www.londonfoodbank.co.uk/

  195. unbelievable docu (tho subtitles r a bit rushed in first 20 mins or so). explains so much about Syria that the Beeb would never dare to tell us:

    Al-Qaeda: The Lebanon Chapter – PressTV Documentary (Full Version
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rlFRL1gOE0

    the following was headlined “IS THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT UNWITTINGLY FUNDING TERRORISM?” which still shows above the address bar:

    16 Sept: Ottawa Citizen BLOG: John Baird and the Muslim Brotherhood
    http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2013/09/16/john-baird-and-the-muslim-brotherhood/

  196. should have said the PressTV AQ docu was made before the saad hariri ended, but that gives it a perfect distance from which to look at the current situation.

  197. ouch…meant to say before the saad hariri GOVERNMENT ended IN 2011…

  198. Genius Russel tells it like it is!!!

    We witness that there is a relationship between government, media and industry that is evident even at this most spurious and superficial level. These three institutions support one another. We know that however cool a media outlet may purport to be, their primary loyalty is to their corporate backers. We know also that you cannot criticise the corporate backers openly without censorship and subsequent manipulation of this information.

    Now I’m aware that this was really no big deal; I’m not saying I’m an estuary Che Guevara. It was a daft joke by a daft comic at a daft event. It makes me wonder, though, how the relationships and power dynamics I witnessed on this relatively inconsequential context are replicated on a more significant scale.

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