Syria and Diplomacy

by craig on January 21, 2014 11:49 am in Uncategorized

The problem with the Geneva Communique from the first Geneva round on Syria is that the government of Syria never subscribed to it.  It was jointly chaired by the League of Arab States for Syria, whatever that may mean.  Another problem is that it is, as so many diplomatic documents are, highly ambiguous.  It plainly advocates a power sharing executive formed by some of the current government plus the opposition to oversee a transition to democracy.  But it does not state which elements of the current government, and it does not mention which elements of the opposition, nor does it make plain if President Assad himself is eligible to be part of, or to head, the power-sharing executive, and whether he is eligible to be a candidate in future democratic elections.

Doubtless the British, for example, would argue that the term transition implies that he will go.  The Russians will argue there is no such implication and the text does not exclude anybody from the process.  Doubtless also diplomats on all sides were fully aware of these differing interpretations and the ambiguity is quite deliberate to enable an agreed text. I would say that the text tends much more to the “western” side, and that this reflects the apparently weak military position of the Assad regime at that time and the then extant threat of western military intervention.  There has been a radical shift in those factors against the western side in the interim. Expect Russian interpretations now to get more hardline.

Given the extreme ambiguity of the text, Iran has, as it frequently does, shot itself in the foot diplomatically by refusing to accept the communique as the basis of talks and thus getting excluded from Geneva.  Iran should have accepted the communique, and then at Geneva issued its own interpretation of it.

But that is a minor point.  The farcical thing about the Geneva conference is that it is attempting to promote into power-sharing in Syria “opposition” members who have no democratic credentials and represent a scarcely significant portion of those actually fighting the Assad regime in Syria.  What the West are trying to achieve is what the CIA and Mossad have now achieved in Egypt; replacing the head of the Mubarak regime while keeping all its power structures in place. The West don’t really want democracy in Syria, they just want a less pro-Russian leader of the power structures.

The inability of the British left to understand the Middle East is pathetic.  I recall arguing with commenters on this blog who supported the overthrow of the elected President of Egypt Morsi on the grounds that his overthrow was supporting secularism, judicial independence (missing the entirely obvious fact the Egyptian judiciary are almost all puppets of the military) and would lead to a left wing revolutionary outcome.  Similarly the demonstrations against Erdogan in Istanbul, orchestrated by very similar pro-military forces to those now in charge in Egypt, were also hailed by commenters here.  The word “secularist” seems to obviate all sins when it comes to the Middle East.

Qatar will be present at Geneva, and Qatar has just launched a pre-emptive media offensive by launching a dossier on torture and murder of detainees by the Assad regime, which is being given first headline treatment by the BBC all morning

There would be a good dossier to be issued on torture in detention in Qatar, and the lives of slave workers there, but that is another question.

I do not doubt at all that atrocities have been committed and are being committed by the Assad regime.  It is a very unpleasant regime indeed.  The fact that atrocities are also being committed by various rebel groups does not make Syrian government atrocities any better.

But whether 11,000 people really were murdered in a single detainee camp I am unsure.  What I do know is that the BBC presentation of today’s report has been a disgrace.  The report was commissioned by the government of Qatar who commissioned Carter Ruck to do it.  Both those organisations are infamous suppressors of free speech.  What is reprehensible is that the BBC are presenting the report as though it were produced by neutral experts, whereas the opposite is the case.  It is produced not by anti torture campaigners or by human rights activists, but by lawyers who are doing it purely and simply because they are being paid to do it.

The BBC are showing enormous deference to Sir Desmond De Silva, who is introduced as a former UN war crimes prosecutor.  He is indeed that, but it is not the capacity in which he is now acting.  He is acting as a barrister in private practice.  Before he was a UN prosecutor, he was for decades a criminal defence lawyer and has defended many murderers.  He has since acted to suppress the truth being published about many celebrities, including John Terry.

If the Assad regime and not the government of Qatar had instructed him and paid him, he would now be on our screens arguing the opposite case to that he is putting.  That is his job.  He probably regards that as not reprehensible.  What is reprehensible is that the BBC do not make it plain, but introduce him as a UN war crimes prosecutor as though he were acting in that capacity or out of concern for human rights.  I can find no evidence of his having an especial love for human rights in the abstract, when he is not being paid for it.  He produced an official UK government report into the murder of Pat Finucane, a murder organised by British authorities, which Pat Finucane’s widow described as a “sham”.  He was also put in charge of quietly sweeping the Israeli murders on the Gaza flotilla under the carpet at the UN.

The question any decent journalist should be asking him is “Sir Desmond De Silva, how much did the government of Qatar pay you for your part in preparing this report?  How much did it pay the other experts?  Does your fee from the Government of Qatar include this TV interview, or are you charging separately for your time in giving this interview?  In short how much are you being paid to say this?”

That is what any decent journalist would ask.  Which is why you will never hear those questions on the BBC.

 

 

 

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  1. “The farcical thing about the Geneva conference is that it is attempting to promote into power-sharing in Syria “opposition” members who have no democratic credentials”

    Could Craig let us know who has any democratic credentials among the various parties involved in Syria?

    The BBC report I read on their website makes it pretty clear that the torture report was commissioned by Qatar. Perhaps its contents should be addressed rather than shooting the messenger – do you wish to rubbish all the forensic scientists as well.

    I fear that the only mechanism for change in Syria will be the application of pressure on Russia whose client state Syria has now become. Yes there has to be some power sharing if only to stop the score settling. It should also be remembered that this whole conflict is now placing very significant strains on Lebanon and Jordan.

  2. ESLO

    It is plain the intention of the commissioners of the report is not to investigate atrocities in Syria, but to push again for Western military intervention. Part of a strategy which will next involve a staged breakdown of the Geneva talks.

  3. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    21 Jan, 2014 - 12:23 pm

  4. Here is one of Carter Ruck’s inquirers – a Yank

    http://dailyorange.com/2009/10/secret-agent-man-law-professor-david-crane-contrasts-time-in-the-classroom-with-years-of-intelligence-work/

    ‘Before assuming his position in Sierra Leone, Crane worked in the federal government. He served as an officer in the U.S. army for 20 years, including serving as a paratrooper and a special operations officer. After retiring from the military, he spent 10 years as a senior intelligence officer in the U.S. Department of Defense. And if you knew what Crane did for the department, he’d have to kill you.

    No, really. It’s classified.’

    What crap. Who wrote it? Ian Fleming?.

    It was an easy move from ‘intelligence’ to law professor. He has the highest ideals for the gold and diamond coast dwellers – just like BLiar. This beautiful world gets worse by the minute – and we are funding and promoting every evil, the BBC especially.

    Note the dates when ‘Caesar’ was interviewed – supposedly. Copy written before interview. Does Caesar actually exist one asks?

  5. Craig

    We have been here before – while Qatar may have different intentions I just don’t think that there is any political appetite for military intervention in Syria among the major Western powers. I daresay you will disagree given your views of said Western powers but you were wrong last time and I think it will be the same this time. The sad truth is that change will only happen in Syria when Putin thinks it is in his interest to force change – if you want to understand Putin the works of Mario Puzo should be the starting point.

  6. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    21 Jan, 2014 - 12:30 pm

  7. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 12:32 pm

    Craig :

    As you have allowed yourself a comparison in your 9th para, I shall allow myself one as well.

    In 1941 the Germans discovered the bodies of over 4500 Polish officers and other prominent people in Katyn Forest.

    The Soviet govt attempted to discredit that finding by saying that the bestial Nazis had carried out that massacre – that is was fully consonant with Nazi practice.

    The Nazis were bestial, but the fact remains that the Soviet govt was responsible (and admitted this over 50 years afterwards.

    I think you see my point.

  8. Info on two others.

    http://www.gresham.ac.uk/professors-and-speakers/professor-sir-geoffrey-nice-qc

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Nice

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1818134.stmn

    On Radio 4 today in the 30 minute ‘news bulletins’, no mention was made that Milosevic died/was killed before the verdict. No matter, no matter the truth.

    Stuart Hamilton

    http://www.forensic-access.co.uk/forensic-scientist-dr-stuart-hamilton-forensic-pathologist-pathology.asp

    Fact or fiction?
    http://www.rcpath.org/Resources/PDF/Silent%20Witness%20-%20CLF.pdf

    Silent Witness is indeed very entertaining – as much as these allegations.

  9. Hi Craig – welcome, so good to hear from you.

    Listening to grass roots activists in Turkey I cannot agree that ‘the demonstrations against Erdogan in Istanbul, [are]orchestrated by very similar pro-military forces to those now in charge in Egypt. The situation in Turkey is very different to Egypt.

  10. Mark

    There are a tiny number of genuine grass roots activists in Turkey. The combined forces of the left got 1% of the vote in the last Turkish elections. The mass protestors on the street wearing red were Kemalists. That is who are trying to overthrow Erdogan. It is the same as Egypt, and those supporting the overthrow of Morsi were saying exactly the same as you are saying now about the “grass roots activists” in Cairo.

  11. “Silent Witness is indeed very entertaining – as much as these allegations”

    It takes a strange sort of person to find entertainment from the allegations contained within the report whether they true or otherwise.

    Do you wish to deny that the Assad regime bombed Palestinian refugee camps or do I have to call George Galloway (or at least his words before he took the Assad shilling) as a witness?

  12. Rhisiart Gwilym

    21 Jan, 2014 - 12:58 pm

    Thank god you’re back in active blogging mode, Craig! Your insider understanding and contacts, plus your forthright clarity are simply indispensable. Wrestle with the Black Dog when you have to, bro., but don’t ever let it tell you that hopelessness is right. We need your insights, Craig. They’re really valuable, and things do benefit from them, however subterraneanly the work of a single individual may operate.

    PS: George Galloway ‘took the Assad shilling’? I think we know now how much discount to apply to ESLO’s input.

  13. “George Galloway ‘took the Assad shilling’? I think we know now how much discount to apply to ESLO’s input.”

    Well I’d multiply by at least a million to be precise

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10278115/What-George-Galloway-neglected-to-mention-in-Syria-debate.html

  14. Strangely enough George made no mention of this when he was paid to appear on Al Mayadeen TV

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/george-galloway-mp/a-statement-on-the-situation-in-syria-by-george-galloway/195231300540947

  15. Bang on, Craig!

    Assad’s is an unpleasant regime, for sure, but given the alternative — funded and armed, as you say, by Gulf theocracies — it has to be a case of the lesser of two evils. This ongoing attempt at regime change is also about the integrity of Syria as a nation. I think most Syrians can see that, especially given what has happened to Libya.

    The goal is the same as it’s been since the get-go which, according to this article, was as long ago as 2006:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-secretly-backed-syrian-opposition-groups-cables-released-by-wikileaks-show/2011/04/14/AF1p9hwD_story.html

    There was a little wobble over Ghouta, but the fork-tongued neocons in Washington, and their supporters elsewhere, simply changed tack for a while. However, Syria is still firmly on the menu, and they’ll do their level best to serve it up to their favoured corporations one way or another.

  16. “The inability of the British left to understand the Middle East is pathetic.”

    I’d say it’s more the inability of just about anybody to understand anything that can’t be boiled down to “goodies vs baddies”.

  17. Keith Crosby

    21 Jan, 2014 - 1:34 pm

    Good article Craig, nice that you’re back.

  18. For information

    President Bashar al-Assad’s interview with Agence France Presse (AFP) ~January 20,2014

    AFP: Mr. President, what do you expect from the Geneva conference?

    President Assad: The most basic element, which we continuously refer too, is that the Geneva Conference should produce clear results with regard to the fight against terrorism in Syria. In particular, it needs to put pressure on countries that are exporting terrorism, – by sending terrorists, money and weapons to terrorist organisations, – especially Saudi Arabia and Turkey, and of course the Western countries that provide political cover for these terrorist organisations. This is the most important decision or result that the Geneva Conference could produce. Any political solution that is reached without fighting terrorism has no value. There can be no political action when there is terrorism everywhere, not only in Syria but in neighbouring countries as well. From the political side, it is possible for Geneva to contribute to a process of dialogue between Syrians. There has to be a Syrian process within Syria and whilst Geneva could support this, it cannot be a substitute for it.

    AFP: After nearly three years of devastating war and the big challenge of reconstruction in the country, is it likely that you will not be a candidate for the presidency?

    President Assad: This depends on two things: It depends on personal aspirations or a personal decision, on the one hand, and on public opinion in Syria, on the other. As far as I am concerned, I see no reason why I shouldn’t stand; as for Syrian public opinion, there is still around four months before the election date is announced. If in that time, there is public desire and a public opinion in favour of my candidacy, I will not hesitate for a second to run for election. In short, we can say that the chances for my candidacy are significant.

    /..
    http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/01/president-bashar-al-assads-interview-agence-france-presse/

  19. As aside from Medialens. :)

    Craig Murray’s blog – alive and well again
    Posted by fugazi on January 21, 2014, 1:06 pm
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk

    nice to hear – why was he down?
    Posted by emersberger on January 21, 2014, 1:14 pm

    Posted by fugazi on January 21, 2014, 1:28 pm
    Dunno – no new posts for months…. then the sight of bliar at sharons funeral kicked it off again…

  20. It’s so refreshing to hear from Craig again. I’ve missed him terribly.

    I think one needs to calmly examine and scrutinize the propaganda coming out of Syria, regardless of which side it comes from. I’m therefore sceptical and inclined to doubt the provenance of this material and the allegations about mass-murder which have so fortuitously appeared at this particular juncture. Haven’t we been here before, just before a confernace about Syria? One can hardly call the source of this story neutral, can one? Qatar is actively involved in trying to topple the Syrian regime, need one say more? This doesn’t mean the allegations are complete fabrications, only that in a war like this one needs to be cautious.

    For example; the West almost launched an attack on Syria recently, based on allegations about a chemical attack on a Damascus suburb which supposedly killed 1500 innocent civilians, and western governments led by Obama, Kerry and leading US politicians immediately blamed the Assad regime with 100% certainty. There was no doubt. Subsequently Seymour Hersh has revealed in an article in the London Review of Books, an article that has recieved scant coverage in our media, that, in reality, the US government was anything but 100% sure of the facts in this case, and manipulated the story in order to justify a military attack on Syria, they made the facts fit around the policy, does that sound familiar? Remember Iraq and WMDs? The Obama aministration was also informed that the Syrian rebels had the capability to produce nerve gas, and not just the Syrian regime, a fact they also chose to ignore in the propaganda rush towards war. Subsequently doubts have been cast over the range on the rocket involved in the attack. Put simply, the rocket had a range so short that it couldn’t have been fired from government controlled territory. Also it’s odd that when the regime provided the UN with lists of its chemical weapons and the means to deliver them, a rocket of this type was absent from the list, which is odd.

    The rebels in Syria cannot win the war and topple the Syrian regime without massive western support. It’s like Libya all over again. They want us as an airforce to tip the military balance in their favour, therefore they, and our leaders, have an obvious interest in creating war-propaganda that supports western intervention and regime change. How do we know who the people in the torture pictures are? How do we know they weren’t regime soldiers murdered and tortured by the rebels?

  21. Very interesting Mary

    To summarise: Dictator announces intention to remain in power. Anyone who opposes him is a terrorist by definition. Any problems are not his fault.

  22. The British left, whatever that really means these days, contains many revolutionary romantics, who are both arrogant, naive, ignorant, well-meaning, and credulous as hell. Their faith in the neutrality of our media is… touching, and this despite all one knows about the role of the media in spreading propaganda in wartime, and we are at war with Syria and desire regime change, only we’re using al Queda as our fighters this time around, as we did in Afghanistan when were at war with the Russians.

    The left have become bizarre, and it’s right across the West. The right want to go to war mostly on nationalistic grounds, protecting the homeland and defeat extremism, whilt the liberal/left are obsessed with ‘progress’ and crusade for freedom, and the idea of healing the world for peace, nice ideas, but as Craig said, pathetic too.

  23. Folks, I believe, in the grand scheme of things, and, considering the desecration and genocide in Iraq, the smashing of Libya, the assassination of Muammar Gaddafi and the ‘red line’ WMD plot against Syria we may be confronted by that ‘big picture’ conundram, a puzzle in which we try to formulate the ‘good versus the bad.’

    That is why I agree with Craig that Iran should have accepted the ‘communique’ to be involved in the dialogue. I do not agree with Craig when solidly and absolutely, although consistently expurgates the Assad government as a ‘very unpleasant regime indeed.’

    Did Syria attack anyone? – did Iran? did… No! ESLO speaks in terms of multiplication – can this be the way forward?

  24. Uzbek in the UK

    21 Jan, 2014 - 2:23 pm

    You are absolutely right Mr Murray. This guy will do exactly the opposite if paid to do so.

    Here are some services he provides taken from his web site http://www.sirdesmonddesilvaqc.com/

    Advising clients who are or may become the focus of investigation over genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity

    Representing clients who are indicted for genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity

    So providing money (the amount) is right he might soon be defending very people who he is acting against now.

  25. Did Syria attack anyone?

    Yes Lebanon even if we don’t bother to count its own people.

    I agree that it is not a simple picture of good vs bad – what is? But lets not avoid calling what is bad, what it is. Assad will never be part of a peaceful solution – there can never be a reconciliation with millions of refugees.

  26. Eslo: “if you want to understand Putin the works of Mario Puzo should be the starting point.”

    This description is hardly exclusive to Russian Leaders. The Western leaders are equally as bad, if not more so, although they hide behind a faux concern for “Human Rights” and “Democracy”. It’s also fair to say that Putin has attempted to stop a wider war and more violence and destruction, which would undoubtedly happen if NATO “intervened”. While Russia’s own agenda is clearly behind this stance, this is far from as immoral a motive as the West’s continuing supply and support of the various disparate groups in Syria, some of which are Extremist to well beyond the point that they would be considered “Terrorists” were they fighting against one of the even worse pro-Western regimes in the region, many of which are worse Police States than Syria was before this war began. Like our so called free media, you appear to be inflicted with a major case of Double Standards.

  27. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    @ ESLO

    Do you not, as I do, find the idea of a “family firm”** running a country at the beginning of the 21st century totally absurd, not to say abhorrent and medieval?

    If this were the case with any Western country, the screams of anger from the denizens of this blog would be deafening. But I suppose that in this case, since Assad counts, broadly speaking, as anti-Western, it’s perfectly OK.

    I suppose that’s why there’s never a word on here about North Korea and its charming family firm either.

    (** “Assad & Sons – torture, murder and imprisonment our speciality. Gassings undertaken” )

  28. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    21 Jan, 2014 - 3:01 pm

  29. The deposed president of Eqypt, Mohammad Morsi, goes on trial again on January 28th.

    al-Sisi looks forward to becoming the next military dictator following new ‘elections’.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/01/19/346528/morsi-to-stand-trial-on-new-charges/

  30. Neocons Inc. — permanent war guaranteed. Affiliated to ZionTech, experts in olive grove removal.

  31. There is a good thread on Medialens, commencing with Peter’s blogpost on Interventions Watch, and which includes Craig’s entry above.

    A tale of two reports: Jonathan Freedland in The Guardian.
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1390313289.html

  32. General Wesley Clark said that the US was going to attack 7 countries in 5 years. We so far have Iraq and Libya and then this Syrian crisis appears to be indicating that the road to Tehran is through Damascus.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha1rEhovONU

    What a world we live in.

  33. An extract from Oded Yinon’s ‘A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties’

    The foreword from the translator Israel Shahak

    The following essay represents, in my opinion, the accurate and detailed plan of the present Zionist regime (of Sharon and Eitan) for the Middle East which is based on the division of the whole area into small states, and the dissolution of all the existing Arab states. I will comment on the military aspect of this plan in a concluding note. Here I want to draw the attention of the readers to several important points:

    1. The idea that all the Arab states should be broken down, by Israel, into small units, occurs again and again in Israeli strategic thinking. For example, Ze’ev Schiff, the military correspondent of Ha’aretz (and probably the most knowledgeable in Israel, on this topic) writes about the “best” that can happen for Israeli interests in Iraq: “The dissolution of Iraq into a Shi’ite state, a Sunni state and the separation of the Kurdish part” (Ha’aretz 6/2/1982). Actually, this aspect of the plan is very old.

    2. The strong connection with Neo-Conservative thought in the USA is very prominent, especially in the author’s notes. But, while lip service is paid to the idea of the “defense of the West” from Soviet power, the real aim of the author, and of the present Israeli establishment is clear: To make an Imperial Israel into a world power. In other words, the aim of Sharon is to deceive the Americans after he has deceived all the rest.

    3. It is obvious that much of the relevant data, both in the notes and in the text, is garbled or omitted, such as the financial help of the U.S. to Israel. Much of it is pure fantasy. But, the plan is not to be regarded as not influential, or as not capable of realization for a short time. The plan follows faithfully the geopolitical ideas current in Germany of 1890-1933, which were swallowed whole by Hitler and the Nazi movement, and determined their aims for East Europe. Those aims, especially the division of the existing states, were carried out in 1939-1941, and only an alliance on the global scale prevented their consolidation for a period of time.

    [..]

    The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently. Lebanon’s total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track. The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a Shi’ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan. This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today.14

    Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi’ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. It is possible that the present Iranian-Iraqi confrontation will deepen this polarization.15

    http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles/article0005345.html

  34. Quite right Courtenay. Aaron Russo was Jewish. He confirms who was responsible for the attack on 9/11. What did a dying man have to gain by telling lies about the Rockefellers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZjKKUEHTKk

  35. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    21 Jan, 2014 - 3:39 pm

    “Syrian” opposition delegation list.
    https://www.zamanalwsl.net/en/news/3351.html

  36. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    21 Jan, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    Syrian regime delegation avoidably delayed.
    http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=195230

  37. OrwellianUK

    “The Western leaders are equally as bad, if not more so,”

    I disagree – but then I know something about the UK, Russia and the US having lived in all three. I suggest you read a little wider.

  38. Quite right Courtenay. Aaron Russo was Jewish. He confirms who was responsible for the attack on 9/11. What did a dying man have to gain by telling lies about the Rockefellers.

    John, I suit your indefatigability combining two conspiracy theories in a single paragraph.

  39. ESLO at 12:27 pm wrote:

    “I just don’t think that there is any political appetite for military intervention in Syria among the major Western powers.”

    Really? In the UK, the Prime Minister recalled parliament for a vote on the matter, and imposed a three-line whip. They only just lost the vote, and the Prime Minister was widely described as “humiliated”. In the US:

    “August 28, 2013, 1:59 p.m. WASHINGTON – A final Western effort to win a United Nations blessing for military action against Syria appeared to collapse Wednesday, but the United States and its allies were still expected to launch a retaliatory attack in response to President Bashar Assad’s alleged use of chemical weapons.”

    http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-syria-united-nations-resolution-20130828,0,618597.story

    Where have you been, ESLO? Watching Tellytubbies?

  40. Excellent post; the sources and provenance of those publicising the latest atrocity linked to Assad need to be scrutinised, and the Beeb have failed to conduct even an elementary smell test here.

    Desmond de Silva certainly has form here, as his whitewash of the murky Finucane assassination indicates.

    Geoffrey Nice is also a busy little bee; he was knighted shortly after leading the prosecution at the aborted Milosevic trial, and twice stood for the SDP in the 80s, at a time when the higher reaches of the party were heavily infiltrated by spooky ‘atlanticists’.

    More on him here-
    http://www.debretts.com/people/biographies/browse/n/2212/Geoffrey+NICE.aspx

    More on the Milosevic trial, in which Nice was a principal actor, here-

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/3469

  41. But we don’t live in Syria or North Korea, and most of us don’t want to I imagine, so we have precious little to say about those countries. What goes on inside those countries isn’t our primary responsibility and we cannot influence what happen, we can influence what Britain does and comment on it. Essentially it’s up to the people of Syria to sort out their own problems minus foreign intervention.

    I still can’t figure out why the West wants to topple the Assad regime, it can’t be because of human rights or democracy, because our leaders don’t give a fig about these things, not at home, and they care even less about what happens to foreigners in countries we know next to nothing about. Then why are we attacking Syria with our al Queda affiliated militias? Well, it would appear that Syria is merely another bloody square on the blood-soaked chessboard in the conflict with Iran. Saudi Arabia and Quatar have begun a war with Iran and the campaign goes through Syria. Topple the regime in Syria and Iran is weakened. Topple Iran and then Russia’s soft underbelly is weakened. Then on to China, hussar!

    International politics is similar to Puso’s The Godfather, with rival Dons and gangs attempting to carve out ‘territory’ and spheres of influence for themselves, and forging unstable alliances, and murdering rivals, then taking over their rackets. Only in our territory the Dons employ smiling, smooth-talking, respectable, lawyers and judges as ‘fronts’ most of the time, men like Obama and Blair, the Clintons, Cameron. We live in Gangsterland too, a more honest label than plutocracy which most don’t even understand.

  42. Clark

    You should note we have moved on from last summer – those efforts collapsed for very good reasons i.e. a lack of public support and the lack of a clear strategy to deal with the underlying problem – nothing has changed. Of course there still exist hawks but western democracies have a way of dealing with them.

    It is almost like you would derive immense schadenfreude from a war going ahead.

  43. ESLO the conspiracy theory is that a bunch of bandits could fly planes into the twin towers without being intercepted by the mighty USA scramble force! Watch this! It names names.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAztWC5sT8

  44. ESLO: You can disagree if you like. You’re entitled to your opinion, just not your own facts. Ask the people of Fallujah in Iraq, ask the people in Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Yemen. Ask the people of any number of countries who have been subject to the consequences of the Empire building of Western Governments and the corporations and banking industry they represent. Simply living in the countries in question (UK, US, Russia) has nothing whatsoever to do with their foreign policy which affects the populations of countries where for instance, the oil happens to be. I have read extremely widely. Just not as selectively as you appear to have.

    I’m not denying Putin is essentially a ruthless gangster. The point I’m making is that our supposed democratically elected leaders (and the ones who have the power but are never subject to election) are at least as bad. The US has garrisons in about 150 countries, 800+ overseas bases (not including all the secret torture sites), and spends as much on “defence” as everyone else put together. Now that is a rapacious Empire far worse than anything Putin is currently doing.

  45. Eslo,

    I hope you have got a good lawyer.

  46. ESLO, you accuse me of wanting Western war in Syria. I wrote to my MP before the UK commons vote, telling him exactly the opposite. I said that I remembered the Dodgy Dossier, the Downing St Memo and the non-existent “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq. No, I oppose Western war upon Syria, and if I had any power to do so, I’d have the UK government withdraw its support for Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

    ESLO, do you support Western military intervention in Syria?

  47. ‘The inability of the British left to understand the Middle East is pathetic.’
    Ah yes, but it does have the ability to know which side its bread is buttered on… in a year’s time!

  48. Uzbek in the UK

    21 Jan, 2014 - 4:44 pm

    OrwellianUK

    Clearly you have never been to Russia – ever. In the last 16 years more than 100.000 Chechens have been murdered and this to add to countLESS political assassinations of political opponents INSIDE Russia. Outside, Russia with its limited (comparing to US) resources is still drugging behind (at least in terms of economic development) republic of former USSR. Postsoviet institutions and leaderships (which Russia still strongly support and promotes) are one of the main reasons of economic stagnation and underdevelopment in many post soviet republics and my native Uzbekistan included. Russian main and foremost priority in Central Asia is keep these nations reduced to the raw materials supply base. In order to achieve this Russia monopolized their economic development to simply supplying Russian gas and oil pipelines to Europe and reducing export potential of Central Asian republics by high tariffs. In case you have not noticed Russia is the only exit for Central Asia to the world market. So far Russia has successfully prevented every attempt by Central Asian republics to establish new way of exporting their goods to the world. It is doing so by various methods which include support for tyrannical regimes and open blackmail using Russian minority as in case with Kazakhstan or more brutally with Georgia.

    Considering limitness of Russian resources with its negative effect Russia delivering to the dependent nations, I can conclude that in case of growing Russian influence and ability to project its powers far outside of its national borders Russia will have much more negative impact on everywhere it is involved.

    Case with Syria is mare coincidence where Russian interests (so far) helped preventing western intervention. However again it is WORTH mentioning that this cost Syrians 200.000 lives so far, this is the price Syrians piad (so far) for the regime security of Mr Assad.

  49. I was tempted to write that war is a whore. Then I remebered that I used to have a little place in Soho, and I chatted to some of the women who worked around there and they seemed rather nice, just trying to get along and earn a living like many others. Are our politicians whores and our leading journalists too? I dunno. Perhaps that’s a bit harsh. They’re honest people doing difficult jobs, isn’t that what they say? On second thoughts calling them whores would be a insult to the working girls I used to know, at least they don’t lie countries into wars, destroy them and slaughter their people.

    It struck me that the West wants to destroy these countries and if the ordinary people get massacred in the process, then that’s just too bad. It isn’t an accident or because we are stupid and make mistakes in our urge to help. The terrible, horrible, and criminal truth is far, far, worse. If we destroy these countries, like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria; we push their development back decades. This weakens them profoundly. Makes them dependent on us, and stops them using their own resources on themselves, forcing them to sell to us and basically do as they are told, leaving much more for us. They remain poor and powerless and that’s how we like it. Destoy, devide and rule, keep the world order the way we want it to be. Sure there are setbacks, but our trajectory is clear, smash anybody who could possibly become a rival centre of power and a threat to our interests. Nothing to do with democracy and freedom at all. Makes one so proud to be a citizen in the Great Western Empire.

  50. In what I call the dynamics of consciousness, we appear to be connected by intention. It is that intention that must advance.

    Clark puts relevance on the power of intention by invoking the British vote on Syria. I respect that moment highly. It was a defining point in our time.

    Intent is clearly visible in Mary’s posts and is our only way forward to a better environment, a preferable, worthier world where equality and truth are obvious. That is not subjective thinkin, that is reality.

  51. Daniel

    Deal with the arguments and information presented without resorting to threats please.

  52. ESLO, do you support Western military intervention in Syria?

    Not in present terms and conditions – difficult to see what it could do to improve the situation. Humanitarian intervention is clearly needed.

    Uzbek in the UK

    Thanks for point out the true nature of the Putin regime to Orwellian UK. I am not denying that Western democracies interfere where they shouldn’t – the difference is that there is some accountability and they can sometimes be dissuaded from such actions – witness what happened on Syria.

  53. Uzbek in the UK

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:02 pm

    Writeon,

    Can I remind you that it was in fact Soviet intervention in Afghanistan (in 1979) and Soviet occupation that invoked civil war (with western meddling) that also destroyed Afghan economy and turned the country into the major heroin producer in the world. When Soviets left, civil war continued as the export of heroin and radical Islam well outside of the Afghan borders. I realise that Europe is very far from Afghanistan but living in the country which shares border with it, trust me it was not that secure when Taliban was getting deeper and deeper to the north, ethnically cleansing non-Pashtun population.

  54. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:08 pm

    From John Goss:

    “Quite right Courtenay. Aaron Russo was Jewish. He confirms who was responsible for the attack on 9/11. What did a dying man have to gain by telling lies about the Rockefellers.”
    _____________________

    Wow, the Rockefellers, eh?

    Thanks John, that makes a most welcome change from the Rotschilds and/or the Bilderbergers.

    Good to see that your thinking is evolving.

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:11 pm

    ESLO to OrwellianUK:

    “I disagree – but then I know something about the UK, Russia and the US having lived in all three. I suggest you read a little wider.”

    ____________________

    “equally as”?

    I recommend not only wider reading but also a refresher course in grammar.

  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:15 pm

    Clark quotes:

    ““August 28, 2013, 1:59 p.m. WASHINGTON – A final Western effort to win a United Nations blessing for military action against Syria appeared to collapse Wednesday, but the United States and its allies were still expected to launch a retaliatory attack in response to President Bashar Assad’s alleged use of chemical weapons.””
    ____________________

    But they didn’t, did they.

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:20 pm

    @ Writeon;

    “But we don’t live in Syria or North Korea, and most of us don’t want to I imagine, so we have precious little to say about those countries. What goes on inside those countries isn’t our primary responsibility and we cannot influence what happen, we can influence what Britain does and comment on it. Essentially it’s up to the people of Syria to sort out their own problems minus foreign intervention.”
    ______________________

    Do you feel that the thoughts expressed in this passage of yours also apply to the conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians?

    If so, you must be at odds with a fair number of the commenters on this blog.

  58. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    ESLO said;

    “It is almost like you would derive immense schadenfreude from a war going ahead.

    _________________________

    Just Freude, I think, rather than Shadenfreude, but I do agree that thought and indeed made the same point at the time.

    And while I’m blowing my own trumpet, I would immodestly remind everyone that Habbabkuk was the first to say, on this blog, “there will be no Western attack on Syria, nor is this the start-up of WW3″!

    There will be no war this time round either.

  59. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:27 pm

    @ Daniel

    “Eslo,

    I hope you have got a good lawyer.”
    ___________________

    Grow up, Daniel.

  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:36 pm

    @ Writeon:

    “If we destroy these countries, like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria; we push their development back decades. This weakens them profoundly. Makes them dependent on us, and stops them using their own resources on themselves, forcing them to sell to us and basically do as they are told, leaving much more for us.”
    ______________________

    The above would appear to suggest that you believe that the evil West created (note that I say “created” and not “occasionally supported”) the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, Colonel Ghadaffi and the family firm of Assad & Son in order to destroy the countries you mention.

    Is that your contention?

  61. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:40 pm

    And to (almost) round off this little pre-prandial burst, thank you to Uzbek in the UK, whose posts are always interesting and informative because he obviously knows what he’s talking about.

    No theorizer or wooly-minded conspiracy theorist, he.

  62. Habbabkuk, I think Writeon is saying we we went into Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to steal their resources. And so we did. Ask Tony Buckingham.

  63. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:42 pm

    End of pre-prandial burst :

    Splendid news courtesy of the IMF, whose latest forecast had upped UK growth from 1,9% to 2,4%.

    I’m certain that all here who wish the UK well will share my pleasure at this news!

  64. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 5:46 pm

    @ Goss

    “Habbabkuk, I think Writeon is saying we we went into Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya to steal their resources. And so we did. Ask Tony Buckingham.”
    _____________________

    Well, I think I’ll wait for Writeon’s own response if he feels minded to give one, but thanks all the same.

    Who is “Tony Buckingham”?

    (Sound like the BLiar weekending with The Queen, but I suppose it can’t be..)

  65. Habbabkuk a forecast is a forecast, reality is reality. Growth of what? Cabbages? If it means the growth of GDP then that is fiction.

  66. No, there hasn’t been world war over Syria. But it took a veto in the UN Security Council to prevent escalation, and that’s the last pre-arranged diplomatic safeguard against world war. The “West” obviously want to attack Syria very much.

    Habbabkuk, 5:25 pm: “There will be no war this time round either”.

    There is already war in Syria. The “West” must stop fuelling that war via Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel and Qatar.

  67. Tony Buckingham describes himself as a former mercenary (Executive Outcomes) who now owns Heritage Oil. He is a big subscriber to the Conservative Party and bogus charities, if my memory serves, like Atlantic Bridge. Oilfields in Libya and Iraq protected by Tim Spicer’s (former Executive Outcomes) private armies funded by the Yanks. That’s just a summary.

  68. Eslo,

    It won’t be me threatening you after I pass on your potentially libelous remarks to Galloway’s office. Hsve a nice day.

  69. Correction, Spicer was not Executive Outlines. He was Sandline. Apols.

  70. Tony Buckingham, Heritage Oil; previously supplied mercenaries:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Buckingham

  71. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 6:20 pm

    @ Goss re projected UK economic growth :

    “Habbabkuk a forecast is a forecast, reality is reality. Growth of what? Cabbages? If it means the growth of GDP then that is fiction.”
    __________________

    Well, I think I’d rather take the IMF’s word (and that of the British Office for Budget Responsibility) for it than yours.

    Perhaps you’re thinking of the old Soviet Five Year Plan figures when you use the word “fiction”?

  72. Hababbkuk, you did not say growth of what?

  73. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 6:25 pm

    From Daniel

    “Eslo,

    It won’t be me threatening you after I pass on your potentially libelous remarks to Galloway’s office. Hsve a nice day.”
    __________________________

    As Frankie Howerd might have said : ooooooooooh!

    I’m sure ESLO’s quaking.

    Be careful that you yourself don’t become of interest to the State…

  74. Habbabkuk, if you meant GDP it is a fiction. Let Dady Chery explain what it is. In brief it is all the money exchanged in a year. It means nothing to ordinary people. Why should they join you in your celebrations?

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2013/02/06/global-gdp-growth-an-imf-and-world-bank-racket/

  75. Breaking:

    The United States will deploy the HW Bush Carrier Strike Group into the Black Sea off the coast of Sochi, Russia, to respond to a potential terror attack during the upcoming Olympics, ‘top officials’ said on Monday.

    The USS George HW Bush has been practicing landings by the X-47B armed assault drone which can provide lethal missile attacks on suspected terrorists…

    The positioning of the ships would also enable the rapid evacuation of Americans in the event of an attack, CNN reported. The State Department would take the lead if evacuations became necessary.

    Don Borelli, a former member of the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, said the terrorist threat in Sochi, Russia, is unique because officials already know terrorists are planning an attack in Sochi sometime during the Olympics…

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/21/former-fbi-terrorism-expert-sochi-terrorism-threat/

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 6:35 pm

    “Hababbkuk, you did not say growth of what?”
    ____________________

    This is very revelatory, isn’t it.

    Instead of welcoming the news of accelerating economic growth – probably marking the end of the economic downturn/crisis/whatever you want to call it – the best any of the Eminences can come up is to say “you didn’t say what sort of growth”.

    Had the IMF revised its forecast downwards,I’m sure that Mary would have been first off with the breaking news, followed rapidly by some other Eminences taking pleasure in castigating the Evil Tory-Fascist-Imperialist coalition govt for further grinding the faces of the population into the dust.

    So I say again : rejoice! Or, as Uncle Joe Stalin said (ca. 1932): life is getting better, life is getting merrier!

  77. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Jan, 2014 - 6:38 pm

    “Don Borelli, a former member of the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, said the terrorist threat in Sochi, Russia, is unique because officials already know terrorists are planning an attack in Sochi sometime during the Olympics…”
    _________________

    In which case it is surely prudent and indeed praiseworthy of all the authorities concerned to do their utmost to forestall any such event?

  78. Nice to see that some continue to ignore facts when they get in the way of the required narrative …

    Possible Implications of Faulty US Technical Intelligence in the Damascus Nerve Agent Attack of August 21, 2013

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1006045/possible-implications-of-bad-intelligence.pdf

  79. Re the above link …. to avoid lots of maths and stuff, skip to page 36 for the summary.

  80. Growth of GDP, growth of gold reserves, growth of trade, growth of mushrooms, cannabis, people’s income, financial markets, what? The IMF is notoriously bad at predicting anything.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-08/hilarious-charts-day-imfs-growth-forecasts-over-time

  81. I wonder if the last administration realised the problem it was creating, when it lied so shamelessly and extensively in its eagerness to join America in its Iraq adventure. All state apparatus – civil service, national propaganda outlets and the armed forces – colluded to deceive the public. As a result, there is no reason to trust them again, whatever the claim. Various supposedly thwarted massive terrorist plots have only served to increase cynicism.

    This is not just unfortunate, it’s positively dangerous – if a genuine threat actually did come along, claims about it would be met with a large degree of scepticism – for good reason.

    Frankly, I don’t know whether these latest claims are real or not. But it’s quite obvious there is an agenda to launch an offensive against yet another country which does not act as a client state, and the last few times we went through this process it was based entirely on lies. It’s also clear that these “experts” who pontificate about the horrors of the Syrian regime are nothing like as independent as we were supposed to believe. One would think the BBC would make great pains to ensure partiality, after their discreditable performance on any number of recent UK/US/Israeli offensives.

    If we’re to choose a side, and if people are going to be killed in our name – as British citizens – we should require a lot more convincing than the mere say-so of government spokespeople and their paid stooges. Particularly when the BBC acts as an unquestioning cheerleader for government’s position.

  82. Who are the terrorists that pose a threat to Olympic Games?

    Is it not a case of joining the dots?

    From Benswann.com we learn from a leaked diplomatic cable from then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that states, “Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support for al-Qa’ida, the Taliban, LeT [Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan] and other terrorist groups.” The other terrorists we know are Chetchen from further leaks of secret meetings between Putin and Prince Bandar, the Saudi intelligence head. America backs the Saudis, they back al-Qaida, the Taliban and the Chechen terrorists, through its relationship with the House of Saud.

    A testimony from former FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, talking about “Operation Gladio B being an ongoing NATO funded operation in cooperation with the Pentagon to stir up Islamic radical terrorism specifically in the North Caucasus region and the surrounding area as a type of threat to Russia and China …,”

    More than 30 people were murdered by two consecutive suicide attacks in the southern Russian city of Volgograd, northeast of Sochi, which will host the Winter Games on February 7-23, 2014.

    History:

    On September 1, 2004, a group of Chechen terrorists took hostage and two days later murdered at least 335 schoolchildren and parents in Beslan, a town in the Russian republic of North Ossetia.

    The main Chechen rebel leader during the first Chetchen war, Dzhokhar Dudayev, had a somewhat secular nationalist outlook.

    Alexander Iskanderyan, director of the Center for Caucasian Studies in Moscow, has notably said, “..the Chechen independence movement had no Islamic dimension at all.”

    When the conflict began to attract media coverage, Islamic jihadis migrated to Chechnya. Nearly twenty years on from independence the majority of Chechens just want peace and autonomy. However many prominent Chechnya commanders such as Shamil Basayev have become radicalised into a so called Islamic support network influenced by the West who control such stooges as British national Baba Ahmad and ‘other’ SAS trained mercenaries.

    Chechnya is the new Afghanistan and a diplomatic and military quagmire.

  83. Well, where to start, that’s the question, and, after all, it’s Craig’s blog.

    If the West effectively destroys a country, smashing it to pieces by delibrately targetting its infrastructure and the state apparatus, which leads to the disintegration of the state, a state which is often held together by a strongman and his army; this result isn’t accidental if one repeats it over and over again. It’s policy a strategy. Perhaps we’d prefer not to destroy these countries, but that’s what we do if we have to, if they don’t obey orders, if we can get away with it, and as the countries we attack are always so weak it’s tempting to just wipe them off the map. Why do we do it? Well, it’s got precious little to do with democracy or freedom, because our leaders don’t give a damn about them. Sometimes it seems like we smash them simply because we can. Empires like our, like all empires abhor a vacuum, and seem to have an urge to move into them if they can. It’s the imperial imperative I suppose.

    We don’t like countries that develop too much, because they might become rivals and stop obeying orders some day. Also if they become too independent they start to use too much of their own resources, which leaves less for us, resources which we consider to be ours. Iraq is a classic example. Saddam was on our payrole for years. A CIA thug who was ruthless and useful to us. But even thugs can get above their station and dream about becoming kings themselves, and that was his big mistake. So he, and Iraq had to be punished and an example made. So we killed our boy and killed Iraq too. Smashed countries are weak and their resources remain in the ground until we need them, and most importantly we make sure the Chinese are kept out.

    This model applies to Libya as well. Over fifty thousand Chinese worked in Libya on various projects, now they are gone, Libya has been destroyed and set back decades, and all of Africa has been weakened as well because Libya was a tremendous source of capital for numerous infra-structure initiatives. So, from our point of view smashing Libya was a strategic masterstroke.

    This is simplifying, but the West, only really accepts two sorts of states; vassals or potential enemies, and the latter are usually those that act too independently or ask to be treated as equals. Vassal states, or protectorates within the sphere of our western empire, can pretty much do they please internally, there’s room for flexabilaty, as long as they know who’s boss and don’t step out of line, obey orders, pay homage and tribute to the imperial centre. The rest had better watch out!

    There are many advantages to destroying states, not least it justifies our vast and disproportionate military expenditure. The corporations that provide for military have their greedy snouts firmly in the treasury and lap up huge profits at the taxpayers expense and a massive transfer of wealth follows from the ordinary person through taxes into the pockets of the people who own the weapons producing corporations. For them war is an eternal Christmas day. So there is an economic incentive in going to war, colossal profits for the few paid for by the many.

    Finally, empires, and ours is no exception, have to expand. It’s part of the imperial imperative. There is no equalibrium with an empire. It is either expanding, or contracting. There is no other way. Now ours is getting ready to confront Russia and China. Makes on glad to live in interesting times.

  84. “Over fifty thousand Chinese worked in Libya on various projects, now they are gone ”

    Well most if not all foreign workers in Libya left when the trouble started and the return has been slow. China still holds large contracts in the country and Libya supplies 12% of China’s oil imports.

  85. Good answer Writeon. I have a children’s schoolbook, may be quite scarce, about Lord Roberts, which demonstrates the justice of empires. Whether you’re totally right with “Perhaps we’d prefer not to destroy these countries, but that’s what we do if we have to, if they don’t obey orders, if we can get away with it, and as the countries we attack are always so weak it’s tempting to just wipe them off the map.” I’m not sure. But we definitely subjugate the natives. Roberts, the only other military man to have a state funeral, relates how when natives (India in this case) tried to take back land stolen from them their punishment was to be fired from a cannon. Let that be a lesson to them. It is a lesson to me. History they taught in schools lauding ‘great’ men like Roberts and Rhodes was the wrong way to teach children the truth. We are and were thieves. That is the truth.

  86. Resident Dissident

    21 Jan, 2014 - 9:02 pm

    “Eslo,

    It won’t be me threatening you after I pass on your potentially libelous remarks to Galloway’s office. Hsve a nice day.”

    Quite comical really – I’d beware Eslo’s Dad is probably bigger than your Dad.

    Do you really think that when the Times, Telegraph and Guardian have reported and continue to report a link between Al Mayaden and Assad, and it being a matter of public record that Galloway has received money from Al Mayaden (and Eslo’s maths is correct that at least £50,000 is over a million shillings) that Eslo has anything to worry about.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/shortcuts/2012/aug/28/tv-stations-george-galloway-julian-assange
    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1598/british_mp_yells_you_make_me_sick_at_anti_assad_audience_member_on_islamist_linked_tv_station
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10278115/What-George-Galloway-neglected-to-mention-in-Syria-debate.html

    The courts would be full of people here if reporting what is said in newspapers and on the internet constituted a libel.

    PS if you are the same Daniel I beat up yesterday, I ‘d keep quite about your other views, I somehow think that the office of the cat impersonator would be none too impressed.
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/01/those-romanians-and-bulgarians/#comment-438268

    PPS perhaps I should write to the Office of Tony Blair and tell him of all the nasty things Mary is saying about him – or even better I could write to the lovely Cherie she will now what to do.

    PPPS sorry Mary only joking!

  87. Don’t worry. They are copied in.

  88. Spot on Craig!

    Your views please on “Flight 103: it was the Uranium” (http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2224221/flight_103_it_was_the_uranium.html)

  89. The Qatar/Carter Ruck report quotes one anonymous witness “Caesar” who was interviewed on 12, 13 and 18 January, in an unnamed Middle Eastern country, for a report issued on 20 January which purported to have some analysis of 55,000 images.
    Given the current PR fog around Syria it’s difficult to take it seriously without much more information.
    On Turkey I strongly disagree with Craig’s viewpoint. But the military has traditionally been the most trusted institution in the country – a poll some years ago put its support at 80%.
    There are a number of fault lines in Turkish society. The 12 million or so Kurds obviously. Less obviously somewhere up to 20 million Alevi – a Shia sect which has been historically oppressed by the Sunni majority and which has, for example, traditionally more western attitudes to the position of women in society and indeed to the demon drink. The division has been exacerbated by Erdogan – naming the 3rd Bosphorus bridge after a sultan renowned for slaughtering 40,000 Alevis and saying – after an act of terrorism in the Syrian border town of Reyhanli – that 50 of so “Sunni brothers” had perished. No surprise really that of the half dozen protesters who died during the Gezi park inspired demonstrations around the country all were Alevi.

  90. “Tony Blair”

    “He spoke for almost two hours on his success in bringing about a lasting peace settlement amongst the warring nations of the Middle East”

    http://olympia.gr/2013/11/23/walking-eagle-%CE%B5%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%81%CE%B5%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%BF/

  91. Might provide some momentary amusement in these trying times…

    UKIP shipping forecast

  92. Thank-you Craig for your kind reply. I am of course referring to those ‘grass root’ activists who embrace Atatürk’s reforms and who have been savagely put down by Erdogan’s thugs.

    I was searching for a Skype recording I listened to from an enchanting Turkish women who lives in Istanbul near Taksim Gezi Park. It reveals the corrupt and dominant nature of the present Turkish regime and the anguish of a mother who’s son and daughters are involved in the freedom protest.

  93. Much as I want to ‘Someone’ I cannot bring myself to listen.

  94. Just popping in to say Hi to Mark and GlennUK. Oh, and john Goss. Have I left anyone out?

  95. Hi Ben – just for you :) Jimmy Page just as I remember him… crank it up!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL2X7LMKEfg

  96. Thanks for the memory, Mark. I actually saw them at University of Calif at Irvine in May of ’69. I say ‘saw’ but the local underground FM station oversold and had to accept piped music outside the amphitheater. Didn’t diminish the experience one iota.

  97. Uzbek in the uk,
    Why don’t you just leave your comments using the nickname simply Uzbek? Do you understand you are compromising the security of many uzbeks who live here in the uk and visit their relatives back in uzbekistan? You know that the uzbek security henchmen watch this blog, don’t you? I had two relatives questioned recently about comments by you, asking them if they were you. Why don’t you leave your moronic comments with full grammar mistakes using just the nickname of Uzbek? Do you have to specify that you are in the uk? Or is it for show off to prove your asylum claim with the Home Office? Козел ты, не больше, не меньше того. Урод ты чокнутый, страдают простые люди из-за твоих ебанутых комментов. Подлец.

  98. Uzbstan,

    Presumably you have the sense to realise that there is something very wrong with a government whose security services interrogate the family members of random people like you, just in case you are somebody who makes some very thoughtful political comments on a blog? The fact that you turn your anger on “Uzbek in the UK” rather than the Karimov regime, is a prime example of what stops the Uzbek people from becoming free – the snivelling cowardice of wretches like you.

  99. “Козел ты, не больше, не меньше того. Урод ты чокнутый, страдают простые люди из-за твоих ебанутых комментов. Подлец.”

    “You bastard, nothing more nor less than that. You crazy freak, they make simple people suffer because of your crazy comments. Scoundrel.”

    That’s a loose kind of translation.

    I do not share all of Uzbek in the UK’s comments. But your argument Uzbstan is unworthy. I would have thought the fact that he/she is living in the UK and puts it in his pseudonym would eliminate the interrogation of anyone still living in Uzbekistan. If it does not it is a clear indication that Craig Murray’s comment is correct and you should be directing your angst at Karimov and his nasty regime.

  100. Lyse Doucet – one of the state broadcaster’s finest – hyping up Montreux.
    https://twitter.com/bbclysedoucet

    She even gives a nod to the now discredited McChrystal on Afghanistan.

    She can be heard on a World Service trailer talking about stories and how they tell them themselves. How true.

  101. Is this foursome rehearsing for the Hokey Cokey?

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72437000/jpg/_72437663_72436998.jpg

    In case you have not heard of it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokey_cokey

  102. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella! 21 Jan, 2014 – 5:42 pm

    In another of his discursive comments Habbabkuk asks us to join him in celebrating an IMF prediction that UK economic growth is improving.

    “Splendid news courtesy of the IMF, whose latest forecast had upped UK growth from 1,9% to 2,4%.

    I’m certain that all here who wish the UK well will share my pleasure at this news!”

    I would be happy to join him in his celebrations if I knew what his understanding of economic growth is and how it would benefit the majority of us if it turned out to be true. He seems difficult to pin down on this and does not answer my requests for his understanding of economic growth. If it was the growth in social housing I would be celebrating with him. Likewise the growth in the number of doctors, nurses, teachers. I am eager to share his joy. I have asked him if this economic growth is GDP but he does not seem to know.

  103. If anyone is interested in a war criminal’s opinion on Syria, Ms Amanpour provides the opportunity here. She is a well known stooge for the warmongers.

    http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/21/blair-sickened-by-alleged-syria-torture-photos/

    Lower down the page there is another video of him grinning like an idiot when asked about the attempted citizen’s arrest. A true psychopath.

    Blair not bothered by citizen’s arrest
    http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/01/21/amanpour-blair-citizen-arrest-bothered-iraq-waiter-bother-gorani.cnn.html

  104. “Much as I want to ‘Someone’ I cannot bring myself to listen.”

    mark golding

    Read it!.

  105. “As Geneva talks open, US advances trumped-up torture charges against Syria”

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/01/22/syri-j22.html

  106. I heard Kerry’s speech Someone. The rhetoric, the hyperbole and the lies were unbearable to hear.

    The Torygraph view of the proceedings

    Syria peace talks: live
    As the long-awaited Geneva 2 peace conference opens in Switzerland, follow our coverage of developments as they happen
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10588908/Syria-peace-talks-live.html

  107. Uzbek in the UK

    22 Jan, 2014 - 10:43 am

    Meanwhile, Russia keeps its shit rolling in Ukraine. Kremlin is playing on multiple fronts nowadays.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/21/ukraine-protests_n_4635120.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25838962

  108. Uzbek in the UK

    22 Jan, 2014 - 10:56 am

    Meanwhile, Uzbek regime of bloody old dog karimov is getting more and more paranoid. Uzbek government has not introduced criminal liability for concealing terrorism info or training of the terrorists. Considering imperfectness of uzbek law enforcement agencies and that “this law also provides for exempting from responsibility those who voluntarily report authorities about such a training; actively help to solve a criminal case, identify others who underwent such a training and those who organize and/or finance training; help identify training location and if their actions contain no other crimes” this can be translated as opening pandora’s box of Stalin’s type ‘donos’ tip-offs or ‘anonimka’ anonymous tip-off.

    http://enews.fergananews.com/news.php?id=2793&mode=snews

  109. More on the Ghouta false flag:

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/01/19/corroborated-top-us-and-saudi-officials-directly-responsible-for-chemical-weapons-attack/

    I wonder what Saudi/Mossad have up their sleeves for when the cameras roll in Sochi?

    When the latest dazzling spectacle goes down, “we” can then condemn Islamic terrorism abroad — and steal more freedoms at home, for security reasons — while supporting the same in Syria. It’s nothing an expert in doublethink can’t handle, and there’re plenty of those around.

  110. They have been arguing about how long each one speaks. Schoolyard.

  111. Uzbek in the UK

    22 Jan, 2014 - 11:08 am

    Small correction. My last comment should read as “Uzbek government has now introduced criminal liability…”

  112. Thanks for your comment and link Mike. Christof Lehmann is a good researcher and journalist. I have read many of his articles and this one is no exception. To know that the US and Saudis were behind the chemical attack is one thing that most of us surmised. Proving it was another thing and Christof Lehmann has done a very good job.

  113. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    22 Jan, 2014 - 11:27 am

    Growth of what?
    1. House prices.
    2. Food prices.
    3. Rentals
    4. Food banks
    5. The differential between deposit and loan interest rates.
    6. Useless management.
    7. Ditto ditto’s salaries.
    8. Utility prices – and profits

    Etc.

  114. Also this from the great Robert Risk, John. Please note the headline and sub-heading. They don’t quite match what the man is saying!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/syria-report-one-is-reminded-of-nazi-germany-9075743.html

  115. Ha. Freud etc… “Fisk”, not “Risk” of course.

  116. David Macilwain

    22 Jan, 2014 - 11:31 am

    Very welcome perspective Craig, and specially views on the ‘killing on an industrial scale’ – which incidentally was aired breathlessly on the Australian BC yesterday morning, with Crane interviewed.
    I’m afraid though that I can’t agree on ‘the regime’s brutality’ for two reasons. First it isn’t nor ever was ‘killing its own people’ – for peaceful protests’. It is simply doing what states and armies do, and the people expect them to do, in fighting a foreign backed and engineered insurgency. It is inevitable that prisoners will be taken, and may not be treated well in this context – remember at least 27,000 Syrian soldiers have been killed by armed groups. Second is that regardless of what happened initially, the Syrian arab army now has the overwhelming support of Syrians, and so does their president. If you read the rest of the AFP interview posted above by Mary, you will understand quite a lot about what is now going on, as well as getting a feeling for the general sense and sanity of Assad.
    As far as the ‘report’ goes, I note not only the date of the last interview with ‘Caesar’ – the 18th of January, but also that in fact only 150 ‘cases’ were studied for the statistics provided, with the other 11,000 odd supposedly on a disc or computer somewhere. Also we only see a dozen photos, none of whom are identified in person, time or location. Babies in Incubators….
    I agree also that Iran should have gone to the talks – should have insisted that it attend, and Russia should have demanded that it be allowed to. We’ve had enough of this corrupt little club of ‘Friends of Syria’ setting the agenda it wants.

  117. The reason that Erdogan keeps winning elections is that the evil, gay, Zionist Attaturk, whose blown-up, stale image beams down on infants in Turkish schools, tried to extinguish Islam in Turkey and Erdogan has put it back again.

    The Taksim riots were about corruption in the construction industry. The large cost of construction attracts the banking/political classes who fail to realise that the money is for building materials and skilled labour, not just going spare for them to embezzle. We ought to be having them here.

    If Alawi protestors were hurt or killed in the protests, I would suggest that’s because they were venting their anger about Turkey’s attitude to Syria under the umbrella of anti-corruption protests. The Alawis are not any part of Islam – even Shi’a.

    The Turks love Islam, and its society now glows with Islamic faith in spite of the worst endeavours of Anglo-Saxon subterfuge and destruction of the Ottoman Empire. The UK policy towards the Middle East is to repeat the first and second world wars destructivity on others while they themselves sit back in their armchairs.

    Nice work if you can get it, WHague squeezing out crocodile tears about Syria.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/09/turkish-alevis-protest-syria-war.html

  118. Thanks ‘Someone’ – I just needed the jolt.

  119. Mike yes Fisk always has something pertinent to say. Not surprised by the headline. Its independence is not what it was under Andreas Whittam Smith.

    Fisk’s comment about Al Jazeera not knowing what the Qataris were feeding London reminded me that Lord Justice Nicholas Phillips, who presided over the unsuccessful extradition appeal of Julian Assange and retired straight afterwards, is now an extortionately highly-paid legal adviser to Qatar. Wheels within wheels. Rewards for services rendered.

    Justice for immigrant slaves, over which the Nepalese ambassador was recalled during Phillips’ watch for calling Qatar an ‘open jail’, is hardly likely to be on his agenda. His agenda is more likely to be how best to promote the 2022 World Cup and make a notoriously wicked regime appear palatable to western audiences. Hence the Qatari-backed torture evidence presented in London was not shared with the NGOs Amnesty and HRW. Why. Because Qatar and human rights are antonyms.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/12/18/amnesty-international-says-dozens-migrant-workers-in-qatar-low-on-food-due-to/

  120. Indeed, John. I wonder how many construction workers will die to make the stadia for 2022.

  121. Uzbek in the UK,

    I just wish to offer you a few kindly words of support, to try to counter the abuse directed at you earlier. I much appreciate your comments on this blog.

    UzbStan,

    I wish to offer you my sympathy for having to live under the tyranny in Uzbekistan. Psychologically, anger is one of the common responses to threat, and it is only natural that when threatened by the overwhelming power of the Uzbek state, you turn your resulting anger away from the true aggressors and towards someone who cannot hurt you.

    I wish you strength and courage.

  122. “Mike yes Fisk always has something pertinent to say”

    It is interesting to note that Fisk sees the intention of the Qatar report as being somewhat different to that propounded by Craig in his response to me of yesterday.

  123. Uzbek in the UK

    I’d like to second Clark’s support.

    I am not sure that UzbStan is who he says he is – if he really is scared of the Uzbek authorities why include the reference to your own relatives. The abuse in Russian and the reference to the Home office application also arouse my suspicion. Sounds more reminiscent of what the KGB ( and I am sure its Uzbek subsidiary) consider to be a “subtle” hint – or what normal people call a threat.

    As for my own little threat, many thanks RD for your support. Daniel will be pleased to know that I had a good nights sleep last night and I hope his Mummy read him a nice bedtime story.

  124. @Mary

    “If anyone is interested in a war criminal’s opinion on Syria, Ms Amanpour provides the opportunity here. She is a well known stooge for the warmongers.”

    I appreciate that you may not like Ms Amanpour’s work or opinions – but last time I looked journalistic activity however distorted did not constitute a war crime. I shall not be sending a letter to her office.

  125. Craig, I feel real sympathy for UzbStan. I note that UzbStan is in the UK, and is threatened via threats against relatives rather than directly. Personal courage is one thing, but coping with indirect threat delivered via threats against loved ones must be far more difficult to cope with.

    For a society to rise up against state organised oppression, personal courage, even if widespread among members of the population, is insufficient. People have to take the terrible decision that they will continue their opposition even though their loved ones are made to suffer for it. I hope that I never have to face such a thing; I would rather die.

  126. How about this?

    ‘Mr al Muallem demanded Mr Obama stand down as president and called on the government to commit to a transition of power – an issue expected to be central to the success of the talks.

    However, Mr Kerry has rejected any discussion of Mr Obama quitting his post.’

    Not really! :) It goes like this.

    ‘In his opening exchange, opposition leader Ahmed Jarba accused the Syrian president of war crimes comparable to those committed by the Nazis during World War Two. He demanded Mr Assad stand down as president and called on the government to commit to a transition of power – an issue expected to be central to the success of the talks.
    However, Mr al Muallem has rejected any discussion of Mr Assad quitting his post.’

    http://news.sky.com/story/1198921/syria-clash-ends-constructive-start-to-talks

    How dare they. Pure chutzpah.

  127. @Guano

    “The Alawis are not any part of Islam – even Shi’a.”

    With this sort of sectarianism, I don’t think too much Anglo Saxon subterfuge is required. Don’t you think that the Caliphate might have fallen apart even without help from the UK – given that not a few diversive strains existed already. As for the pipedream of putting all back together …………. perhaps you should look at the impact on political geography of sectarianism in a slightly older religion.

  128. ESLO, I agree with you that it is possible that UzbStan is as you suspect. I do not know, and therefore wrote what I did taking the comment at face value.

    I suppose we should also remember that people part of but lower down in a structure of oppression may also be short of morally acceptable choices.

  129. Mary

    Obama will be stepping down as President in 2016 – its what happens in democracies rather than absolute monarchies. How long has the Assad dynasty been in power?

  130. Perhaps others should consider whether the activities of Jobbik constitute anti-Semitism or unacceptable behaviour

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobbik

    As a rule I tend to be a little suspicious of party leaders who turn up in Parliament in a “blackshirt” uniform. Mary is obviously more relaxed on such matters.

  131. Apologies – should have been posted on the previous thread.

  132. ESLO, so what is the value of US/UK support for the absolute monarchies of the Middle East to bring down Assad’s government?

  133. John Goss
    I once had the pleasure of doing jury service in Yeovil where Lord Justice Nicholas Phillips presided in an earlier stage of his career. Okay the cases involved the police chasing a drunk man who propelled his motor car through the fences of five back gardens and into a parked vehicle, and a little bit of something that nearly rhymes with shrubbery by a local farmer.

    He definitely seemed to me to be the sort of man I wouldn’t mind owning up for: worldly-wise, completely non-judgemental and quietly spoken, without a hint of malice.

    Can we bring him back from retirement for Assad please? ” Mr Assad, Sir, I have you down for serial Category 5 statutory war crimes. I have advised the jury that the only question they need to answer is whether you in fact were President of Syria at the tine of the events recorded here. They have decided you were, which means you are guilty of offences aforementioned. Sentencing will be done sometime in the near future, session adjourned.”

    Worth their weight in gold. OohArgh!

  134. ESLO,

    so what is the value of US/UK support for the absolute monarchies of the Middle East to bring down Assad’s government?

    It would seem to be a case of replacing bad with worse. But then the West has done that so many times. Every time there’s a new call for “intervention”, people like you ask people like myself to forget this long history and just respond to “but Hussein / Assad / Current Enemy is a brutal dictator”.

    Are you sure this isn’t just the dregs of racism left in yourself? Just a hubristic belief that “our” decisions about “them” will always be superior to the decision that “they” make for themselves?

    You keep trying to change my mind. Offer me something convincing, and I’ll change it myself.

  135. “Obama will be stepping down as President in 2016 – its what happens in democracies rather than absolute monarchies. How long has the Assad dynasty been in power?”

    Another Bush? Or a Clinton maybe?

  136. The other day one of the trolls stated that families should not take power and rule undemocratically, referring to Assad.

    I thought of Her Maj and her German connections, her second son who has just been in Bahrain again selling arms, her third son beating Labrador dogs when out shooting at Sandringham (one of the family’s leisure pursuits ie killing God’s creatures for sport) and her eldest grandson William and wife setting up companies to protect their ‘brand’ in the style of the Beckhams. The younger grandson Harry has been provided with a sinecure based in the Horse Guards.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1389983405.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25778294

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/kate-middleton-prince-william-establish-private-companies-protect-royal-brand-1432796

    Meanwhile the eldest son and croc wife are being wheeled in and prepared to effect the takeover when the time comes.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-25797931

    1.God save our gracious Queen,
    Live long our noble Queen,
    God save the Queen!
    Send her victorious,
    Happy and glorious,
    Long to reign over us,
    God save the Queen.

    2.Thy choicest gifts in store
    On her be pleased to pour,
    Long may she reign;
    May she defend our laws,
    And ever give us cause
    To sing with heart and voice,
    God save the Queen!

    3.God bless our native land,
    May heaven’s protective hand
    Still guard our shore;
    May peace her power extend,
    Foe be transformed to friend,
    And Britain’s power depend
    On war no more.

    4.May just and righteous laws
    Uphold the public cause,
    And bless our isle.
    Home of the brave and free,
    Fair land and liberty,
    We pray that still on thee
    Kind heaven may smile.

    5.And not this land alone-
    But be thy mercies known
    From shore to shore.
    Lord, make the nations see
    That men should brothers be,
    And from one family
    The wide world o’er.

    There’s a whole lot of ‘reigning’ going on there. I cannot remember any elections or referenda on the establishment of the Saxe-Coburg-Gothas and latterly the Mountbatten Windsors (named after the castle LOL) as our rulers.

  137. Clark

    I suspect the net value goes in the opposite direction from that which you suggest i.e. the West receives net economic support in return for not upsetting the Saudis etc. That said I was always told that two wrongs do not make a right – so justifying the continuation of the Assad regime by reference to the abuses of the Gulf monarchies really has no intellectual or moral foundation.

    To equate the level of political freedom, human rights and democracy in Syria with that in the USA is otiose in the extreme.

    Mary you clearly do not understand the difference between a constitutional monarchy and an absolute one.

  138. Good article. As another remarked above, how bad is this regime, f.ex compared to the West’s destruction of Iraq and Libya?
    In Syria all peoples/faiths have found refuge.

    And Iran should have accepted Geneve 1 and then offered their own interpretation? As far as I remember this is precisely what the UN ‘chief’ criticised them for: making their own interpretation of G1 -?

  139. BrianFujisan

    22 Jan, 2014 - 5:07 pm

    Some more on u.s. trumped-up Torture charges against Syria…

    And once again, a disingenuous West along with a complicit UN is going into a so-called “peace conference” with unverified allegations designed to manipulate public perception on the most visceral levels, circumventing facts, logic, and reason, to bolster their position in a conflict they themselves engineered and are still purposefully perpetrating with the hopes of achieving long-desired “regime change.”

    The ongoing conflict in Syria was engineered by the West and its regional allies as far back as 2007, revealed by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh in his article, ”The Redirection: Is the Administration’s new policy benefiting our enemies in the war on terrorism?” which prophetically stated (emphasis added):

    “To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.”

    It is now admitted that Al Qaeda comprises almost entirely all of the militants fighting the Syrian government, many of whom are foreigners crossing into Syrian territory with NATO’s aid.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-feigns-horror-over-cooked-up-report-on-syrian-war-they-engineered/5365797

  140. “one of the [Royal] family’s leisure pursuits ie killing God’s creatures for sport”

    Mary, the Sandringham Estate to which you refer contains exceptional biodiversity and is home to many of Britain’s rarest bird species due to traditional land management practices. The game birds that are shot all end up on the table and enjoy a far better quality of life than your average supermarket chicken.

    I suspect your anger at the treatment of the game birds and Edward’s labrador (no evidence that it was actually beaten) is driven more by hatred of the Royals than any genuine concern for the animals.

    Please, in future, refrain from sounding off about matters of which you know so little.

  141. ESLO, I am not “justifying the continuation of the Assad regime” – please do not misrepresent my position so. But it is up to the people of Syria to change matters, and certainly not a bunch of fundamentalist armed thugs from UK ally and absolute monarchy Saudi Arabia.

    Grief, you’d change your tune if it was happening here!

    Alliances are always two-way. If they’re one-way, we don’t call them alliances, we call them client states, or occupied territory.

    So are you basically saying that the UK prime Minister and the US President wanted to send the Western military into Syria as a favour to Saudi Arabia? Sounds a bit “tail wags dog” to me.

  142. Excellent article, up to date and at a time when the western media’s rethoric, at the beginning of the peace negotiations, running concurrent with Davos’s arms dealers conference, is using negative connotations and words to talk up failure of decision making.

    Mr. Kerry seems to think that the US administartion and senate has got more to say on the make up of a future Syrian Government than the Syrian’s themselve, a recipe for disaster.

    Are they telling William Hague when and were to squeak? off course they do and he jumps to it. How come Israeli backers like him are able to speak at the negotiation table, whilst backers of Syria, such as Iran are frozen out.

    The murderous mercenaries have got more to say in these negotiations than the Syrian opposition fighting them on a daily basis? We must not forget that even the SFA is now aghast at the relentless material support to the Quatari and Saudi paid rebels, have been sidelined by western machinations.

    The refugee situation is untenable, but will all these Syrians have a vote on whatever the armsdealers/warmongers in Geneva and their mercenaries decide?

    NO, but they wi8ll feel the violence that is to be metted out. I have no allegiance to Assad, but the is the bastard in charge, just as DSheik Mohammed is in charge of his Quatari bastards, I dare not speak of the house of saud who has lost credibility a long time ago, i.e. Yamanami.

    The arms trade is in another boomtime, I see, i.e. many more unemployed had their applications refused and our canadian CEO BoE Mark Carveitalluppery is shivering with intent to raise the interest rates. Hooray another bubble helped to develop.
    ‘What a good man’ say the bankers, now watch the banks get nasty on borrowers.

  143. For anyone thinking about buying a house, about 10mins in

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix7vGXqxu2c#t=83

    “Now you know why Homeland Security purchased 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition, enough ammunition to fight the Iraq war for 12 years, has its own para-military force and 2,700 tanks. If you think the “terrorist threat” in America warrants a domestic armed force of this size, you are out of your mind. This force has been assembled to deal with starving and homeless people in the streets of America.”

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/10/23/ye-sow-shall-ye-reap-paul-craig-roberts/

  144. Anyone who quotes Global Research contributor and 9/11 Troofer Paul Craig Roberts approvingly needs their head examined. He and Global Research have been peddling this nonsense about “Fema camps” and tanks being used to obliterste the poor for decades.

  145. ESLO, please read this article:

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/al-qaeda-terrorists-pass-us-special.html

    I can’t say if landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk is a reliable source, but the article draws from articles in the UK Telegraph, New York Times, L A Times, New Yorker, etc.

    Nearly ten thousand foreign fighters in Syria, most of them Islamists, arriving through NATO country Turkey.

    ESLO, the more I look beneath the veneer supplied by our pro-war media, the more evidence I find to convince me that this is our war, the West’s war that is being inflicted upon Syria.

    You may not be convinced, but please at least answer this; if you were convinced of this argument, would you condemn such Western interference?

  146. Anon, Paul Craig Roberts or not, that ammunition and those tanks have been bought. Copies of the orders and invoices for the ammo have been published, and the tanks are simply visible.

  147. “ESLO, I am not “justifying the continuation of the Assad regime” – please do not misrepresent my position so”

    Please don’t misrepresent that I am misrepresent your position

    “But it is up to the people of Syria to change matters, and certainly not a bunch of fundamentalist armed thugs from UK ally and absolute monarchy Saudi Arabia.”

    Basically I agree – but what about the Russian weapons that do most of the killing for the regime or the support they receive from Iran and Hezbollah militia – or is that acceptable foreign involvement in Syrian affairs in your book.

  148. Yes but it has not “been assembled to deal with starving and homeless people in the streets of America”, Clark.

  149. Back on topic, I recently watched a short film about “barrel bombs”, the improvised explosives used by the Assad regime to terrorize civilian populations. Crudely put together by filling an oil drum or water tank with TNT, oil and shrapnel, these bombs are rolled out the back of helicopters on towns and villages where they cause massive and indiscriminate destruction.

    I wonder if some of the Assad supporters on here could provide justification for this. Please note, “Oh but Israel does this and whatabout Saudi doing that” are not acceptable answers.

  150. Clark

    I have never denied that Islamist militants are involved in Syria – or that I would prefer they were not. Perhaps if the Russians/Iran/Hezbollah could be pressured to remove support from Assad then the quid pro quo would be that pressure would be applied on those who are backing the Islamists?

  151. “I wonder if some of the Assad supporters on here could provide justification for this. Please note, “Oh but Israel does this and whatabout Saudi doing that” are not acceptable answers.”

    What about Britain? Haven’t we dropped a few bombs on people out of aeroplanes in our time? Come to think of it, didn’t we invent it?

  152. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    22 Jan, 2014 - 7:25 pm

    @ Fred

    Had ESLO thought for a minute that you would be that stupid, he would probably have added “Oh but what about Britain..etc” to his little list of unacceptable answers.

    You really are shameless. If you don’t feel like answering his legitimate question, why don’t you just keep your trap shut?

  153. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    22 Jan, 2014 - 7:30 pm

    More good news for everyone, including John Goss, to add to the good news of UK economic growth : UK unemployment rate down to 7,1% (and the biggest single drop in the rate since 1997)!

    Still too high, but all who wish the UK well will rejoice with me at this good news!

    ****************

    Life is getting better, life is getting merrier! (J.Stalin, ca. 1932)

  154. Good news indeed, Habbabkuk, and I am noticing much more confidence in the economy in my line of work. Needless to say, most of the Murrayistas will be utterly miserable at the thought, preferring and perhaps secretly hoping for a collapse.

  155. “I wonder if some of the Assad supporters on here could provide justification for this.” — anon

    I wonder if you could provide some evidence of these “barrel bombs”?
    And the fact that it’s Assad’s forces that are using them?

  156. Totally predictable responses from the twisting Eslo 3.28 and Anon 5.25. They would say that wouldn’t they and both sound like mouthpieces from the newly combined press offices of Her Maj and P Charles. I know that I am living in a rotten power system when there has never been so much evil here and abroad. Wonder how the increasingly large P Andrew got on in his arms sales trip to Bahrain? He is living on the fat of the land.

    I do not hate the royal mob. I despise them as scroungers and parasites on the people.

    btw I am reliably informed that ESLO was once one of the many “Anons” here, then “I am the lizard Habbabkuk” and then “For the return of Habba and Free Speech”. Perhaps ESLO could verify that this is correct.

  157. In reply to the Tory propagandist above on the unemployment figures. Many of those jobs will be part time on the minimum wage and with zero hours contracts. Note the non response of Agent Cameron today at PMQs. All he can do is to recite the same propaganda.

    Edward Miliband:
    [..]
    I want to move on to another subject. Today’s welcome fall in unemployment is good for the people concerned—[Interruption.] We welcome the fall in unemployment because whenever an individual gets back into work it is good for them and good for their family. [Interruption.] I have to say to hon. Members that just braying like that does not do anybody any good. Can the Prime Minister confirm that today’s figures also show that average wages are down by £1,600 a year since the election, meaning that for many ordinary families life is getting harder?

    The Prime Minister:
    It is worth pausing for a moment over what these statistics show today. They show youth unemployment coming down, long-term unemployment coming down, the claimant count coming down, and unemployment overall coming down—but above all, what we see today is the biggest ever quarterly increase in the number of people in work in our country. There should not be one ounce of complacency—there is still a huge amount of work to do to get Britain back to work—but there are 280,000 more people in work: that is 280,000 more people with the security of a regular pay packet coming in for themselves and their family. Now of course we are seeing a slow growth in wages—why? Because we are recovering from the longest and deepest recession in living memory. Because the Leader of the Opposition keeps quoting the figure without the tax cuts that we have put in place, he is not recognising that actually this year people are better off because we have controlled spending and cut taxes.

    Edward Miliband:
    All the Prime Minister has done is show that he is absolutely complacent about the situation, because he is trying to tell millions of families around this country that they are better off when they know they are worse off, and it does not help for him to tell them the opposite. Let me take this figure: in Britain today, there are 13 million people living in poverty—that is a shocking figure. What is scandalous is that for the first time ever the majority of those people are living not in jobless families but in working families. What is his explanation for that?

    The Prime Minister:
    The explanation is what the Institute for Fiscal Studies has said, which is that wages have increased much less quickly than inflation. As I say, that is not surprising. We have had the biggest recession in 100 years. It would be astonishing if household incomes had not fallen and earnings had not fallen. The fact is that we are recovering from the mess that Labour left us. Every week the Leader of the Opposition comes here and raises a new problem that he created. We had the betting problem, then we had the banking problem, then we had the deficit problem, and now we have the cost of living problem. He is like an arsonist who goes round setting fire after fire and then complains when the fire brigade are not putting out the fires fast enough. Why does he not start with an apology for the mess that he left us?

    Edward Miliband:
    The Prime Minister comes here every week and does his Bullingdon club routine, and all he shows is that he has absolutely no understanding of the lives of people up and down this country. That is the reality: ordinary families are working harder for longer for less; he is cutting taxes for millionaires and not helping those families; and the minimum wage is falling in value. He cannot be the solution to the cost of living crisis, because he just does not understand the problem.

    ~~~~

    Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) (Lab):
    A report on the food aid crisis in the UK was commissioned by the Government last February, was given to Ministers early last summer, and yet is still being suppressed. What is the Prime Minister afraid of, and why does he not now publish and be damned?

    The Prime Minister:
    What the Government are publishing today is the fact that hundreds of thousands more people are getting into work and able to provide for their families and get the peace of mind and security that people in this country want. That is what we are publishing today, and that is real progress for our nation.

    ~~~~

    Stephen Timms:
    [..]
    The Trussell Trust co-ordinates the fast-growing network, now numbering some 400, of church-based food banks, which between them provided food for half a million people, just between April and December last year. Will the Prime Minister be willing to meet representatives of the Trussell Trust to discuss the big challenges with which they are grappling?

    The Prime Minister:
    I would be happy to meet them. We have listened carefully to the Trussell Trust. One thing that it wanted to see done by this Government and the previous Government was to allow food banks to be promoted in jobcentres. We have allowed that to happen. That has increased the use of food banks, but it is important to do the right thing rather than something that might just seem politically convenient.

    ~~~~

    No further words are necessary.

  158. As for all peoples self determination to democracy should be the realisation for their struggle.
    I think the market forces seeking control thus are simply a conglomeration of the greater force that in it’s entirety presumes the whole anyway.

    Let’s hope that normality can at some point continue to function for the poor sods involved.

  159. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    22 Jan, 2014 - 9:40 pm

    “Good news indeed, Habbabkuk, and I am noticing much more confidence in the economy in my line of work. Needless to say, most of the Murrayistas will be utterly miserable at the thought, preferring and perhaps secretly hoping for a collapse.”
    _________________________

    Good to hear that there is more confidence in your line of work, Anon.

    Of course, I could also have mentioned a number of other encouraging statistics, such as the increase in business confidence and investment across the board (ie, in all sectors of the economy) and the govt’s intention to raise the minimum wage above the rate of inflation (this is truly excellent news), but I didn’t want to make the Denigrators even more miserable than they already seem to be at the two bits of good news I brought yesterday and today….

  160. I was looking up Lord Norton of Louth earlier on a separate matter and discovered that he is on the advisory board of the Margaret Thatcher School of Government!!! based at the private university, The University of Buckingham.

    https://extranet.buckingham.ac.uk/alumnet/news-donor.aspx Note Bercow

    The University website http://www.buckingham.ac.uk/
    Wikipedia here.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Buckingham

    This is all that comes up in a search for ‘Margaret Thatcher School of Government’.
    http://www.buckingham.ac.uk/?s=margaret+thatcher+school+of+government
    Note the Rothschild donation.

  161. “Unpaid workers on Jobcentre schemes are conveniently disappeared from the official tally of the unemployed.”

    http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/no-matter-how-you-spin-the-figures-theres-still-no-fucking-jobs/

  162. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    22 Jan, 2014 - 9:56 pm

    @ Mary

    “In reply to the Tory propagandist above on the unemployment figures. Many of those jobs will be part time on the minimum wage and with zero hours contracts.”
    __________________

    I am not a Tory – and that’s official. Would you now confirm, in return, that you are not, and have never been, a supporter of the Socialist Workers Party and Militant?

    But to the more important point. Certainly full-time jobs are better than part-time ones (except for the many people – mostly women, I suppose – who actually prefer to work part-time for a variety of reasons), the minimum wage is not necessarily a living wage (this is where various state benefits come in useful) and zero-hours contracts would probably not be many people’s first choice, but…..are such jobs nevertheless better than no jobs? Is it better – whilst awaiting better days – for some people to have jobs like those or would it be better for them to remain on the dole queue?

    I naturally don’t expect an answer from you because, apart from being deficient in debating skills, your conceit is that Habbabkuk can be wished away by not responding to him/her/it, but one of your fellow Denigrators might care to respond.

  163. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    22 Jan, 2014 - 10:05 pm

    “…based at the private university, The University of Buckingham.”
    ___________________

    I’ve heard of that university. Is it not the university which makes students work harder than students at public universities by having longer terms and shorter holidays, thus enabling them to graduate (or not) in 2 rather than 3 years? I believe that the cost differential between it and state universities has also narrowed considerably as a result of the increase in tuition fees to £9.000 at public universities.

    Important disclaimer – I did not attend the University of Buckingham and have no connection of any sort with that establishment. Nor am I a donor and am not related in any way to the late Baroness Thatcher or the Royal Family. Finally, my surname is not Rothschild. Hope I haven’t forgotten anything!

  164. Good to see you back, Craig. And on the money as ever.

    Also writeon at 21 Jan, 2014 – 8:15 pm – very true and well put.

  165. Resident Dissident

    Just to let you know I have replied to your posting of 20 Jan, 2014 – 10:46 pm on The War Criminals on TV thread.

    You may want to react to my views (No pressure though).

  166. “Had ESLO thought for a minute that you would be that stupid”

    Who you calling stupid shit for brains?

    I don’t think the country that invented the heavy bomber to bomb Kurd villages in Iraq as any place criticising people for dropping bombs out of helicopters.

    That’s a valid point if you weren’t too pig ignorant to see it.

    Now be a good boy and go fuck yourself.

  167. Fred I have always remembered the name of this brave officer who opposed the British bombing of the Iraqi people in 1923.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Charlton

  168. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    22 Jan, 2014 - 11:35 pm

    Fred

    Feeling better now? Got relief? Did the earth move for you? :)

  169. Good to see you back Habbabkuk. Been out celebrating the IMF predictions. So what do you understand by economic growth? I want to celebrate with you?

    Mary, very astute observations about the royals.

  170. Part of -

    Minister al-Moallem said at the opening session of the conference:

    ……..”Yes, Ladies and Gentlemen, the Syrian people, like other people of the region, aspire to more freedom, justice and human rights; they aspire to more plurality and democracy, to a better Syria, a safe, prosperous and healthy Syria. They aspire to building strong institutions not destroying them, to safeguarding our national artifacts and heritage sites not looting and demolishing them. They aspire to a strong national army, which protects our honour, our people and our national wealth, an army that defends Syria’s borders, her sovereignty and independence. They do not, Ladies and Gentlemen, aspire to a mercenary army ‘Free’ to kidnap civilians for ransom or to use them as human shields, ‘Free’ to steal humanitarian aid, extort the poor and illegally trade in the organs of living women and children, ‘Free’ to canibalise human hearts and livers, barbequing heads, recruiting child soldiers and raping women. All of this is done with the might of arms; arms provided by countries, represented here, who claim to be championing “moderate groups”. Tell us, for God’s sake, where is the moderation in everything I have described?

    Where are these vague moderate groups that you are hiding behind? Are they the same old groups that continue to be supported militarily and publicly by the West, that have undergone an even uglier face-lift in the hope of convincing us that they are fighting terrorism? We all know that no matter how hard their propaganda machine tries to polish their image under the name of moderation, their extremism and terrorism is one and the same. They know, as we all do, that under the pretext of supporting these groups, al-Qaeda and its affiliates are being armed in Syria, Iraq and other countries in the region.

    This is the reality, Ladies and Gentlemen, so wake up to the undeniable reality that the West is supporting some Arab countries to supply lethal weapons to al-Qaeda. The West publically claims to be fighting terrorism, whilst in fact it is covertly nourishing it. Anyone who cannot see this truth is either ignorantly blind or willfully so in order to finish what they have begun”.

  171. Re my Post above of a section of Walid al-Moallem’s Opening Speech at Geneva2 conference…. i forgot the Link -

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/geneva-ii-syrian-foreign-minister-the-west-publicly-claims-to-be-fighting-terrorism-whilst-it-is-covertly-nourishing-it/5365833

  172. ‘Back on topic, I recently watched a short film about “barrel bombs”, the improvised explosives used by the Assad regime to terrorize civilian populations. Crudely put together by filling an oil drum or water tank with TNT, oil and shrapnel, these bombs are rolled out the back of helicopters on towns and villages where they cause massive and indiscriminate destruction,’

    Yes Anon… sounds like a low tech version of ‘shock and awe’.

    If you get Assad to the ICC (which of course the US doesn’t recognise) perhaps you’d like to add breach of copyright to his charge sheet ?

  173. This is partially off topic (in that it’s about BBC bias in Scotland, not Syria), but Craig has spoken about this before, and I reckon it’s of interest to you guys here.

    John Robertson, of West of Scotland University recently published a report on bias in terrestrial Scottish Television relating to the Scottish Independence debate, by quantitatively measuring mentions of the subject on early evening news repots. It seems that anti-Independence statements tend to get about three times as much of a hearing as pro-Independence ones – for every broadcastable report of a pro-Independence view, or presentation in a pro-Independence manner, there are three reports doing the same for the anti-Independence campaign. Furthermore, despite a deafening silence from the broadcast media on the subject of this particular report, the BBC has allegedly contacted the academic concerned, and demanded his raw data, presumably so that they can prepare their hatchet job before they let anyone hear about the original report.

    The report itself is here.

    Derek Bateman’s blog commenting on the brouhaha is here.

    Enjoy!

  174. The “University of West Scotland”?

    [Once an employee of a Scottish University]

  175. “If you get Assad to the ICC (which of course the US doesn’t recognise) perhaps you’d like to add breach of copyright to his charge sheet ?”

    Russia refuses to support sending Assad to the ICC; but of course nobody wants to hear that. Nor the fact that they and the Chinese have vetoed three resolutions designed to put pressure on Assad.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/03/2013320164619306786.html

    Now of course had it been the US using it’s veto….

  176. Before anyone posts a link of course I know it exists. That wasn’t the point.

  177. Kempe,

    http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/resguide/scact_veto_en.shtml

    Who is the veto king over the last 30 years say?

  178. http://www.killick1.plus.com/map.jpg

    Note the absence of US military bases in Syria. And Iran.

    Easy rule: in the Middle East, if a country has US bases, we hear little criticism of it. If it hasn’t, we’re repeatedly told how bad it is.

    Just a coincidence, shurely.

  179. BrianFujisan

    23 Jan, 2014 - 3:38 am

    Oldmark

    low tech version of ‘shock and awe’.

    Low tech version of shock and awe…

    was not there a second shock n awe… Libya

    and a third averted thus far… Syria….

    if you have some Links for info…we could all look into it

  180. Thanks Brian. Omitted is the vile rhetoric and lies from Kerry. Can you possibly find a transcript?

    Then the little USUKIsNATO stooge, Mr Ban, tried to shut Mr al-Moallem up.

  181. Aim Here. What you say is completely credible and unsurprising. Terrestrial news channels and Sky News are megaphones for those in power.

  182. Snowden to hold Q & A

    Live Q&A with Edward Snowden: Thursday 23rd January, 8pm GMT, 3pm EST

    Edward Snowden will be answering questions submitted by the public on his official support site, freesnowden.is, this Thursday 23 January at 8pm GMT, 3pm EST. The support site is run by The Courage Foundation and is the only endorsed Snowden Defence Fund.

    This is the first Snowden live chat since June 2013 and will last for an hour starting at 8pm GMT, 3pm EST. Questions can be submitted on twitter on the day of the event using the #AskSnowden hashtag. Edward Snowden’s responses will appear at http://www.freesnowden.is/asksnowden

    The live chat comes exactly a week after US President Barack Obama gave an address in response to the public concerns raised by Edward Snowden’s revelations about US surveillance practices. In the live chat, Edward Snowden is expected to give his first reaction to the President’s speech.

    Courage (formerly the Journalistic Source Protection Defence Fund) is a trust, audited by accountants Derek Rothera & Company in the UK, for the purpose of providing legal defence and campaign aid to journalistic sources. It is overseen by an unremunerated committee of trustees. Edward Snowden is its first recipient.

    freesnowden.is was commissioned by the trustees of Courage to provide information on the threats Edward Snowden faces and what can be done to support him, and details all revelations made to date in a convenient central archive.

    Hat tip to Margo Medialens

  183. Pepe Escobar

    Syria and the Geneva 2 charade
    http://rt.com/op-edge/syria-geneva-two-charade-015/

    ‘This past Sunday, it seemed that UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon had decided to spring out of his trademark vegetable slumber, inviting Iran to Geneva 2. The invitation lasted less than 24 hours; after the requisite ‘pressure’ by Washington – instigated by those sterling democrats of the House of Saud – it was duly rescinded.

    Thus we had Ban Ki-moon parroting the US State Department, according to which Tehran had not agreed to the principles of the Geneva 1 communiqué, which called for a sustained cessation of armed violence. Iranian diplomats strongly begged to differ, stressing how Tehran understands that the basis of the talks is the full implementation of the previous, June 2012 conference, even if Iran was not part of it.

    Ban Ki-moon also invited the Holy See, as well as Australia, Luxembourg, Mexico and the Republic of Korea, among others, to Montreux; as if these actors had any clue about what’s going on in Syria.

    But the apex of the farce is that Iran cannot go, while Saudi Arabia and Qatar – who continue to weaponize every Syrian ‘rebel’ in sight, from young adrenaline seekers to Western-supported Takfiris and beheaders – can. And will.’

    [..]
    He ends
    ‘Still, Geneva 2 won’t ‘solve’ anything. Iran and Russia will keep supporting Damascus. The desert wasteland from Syria to Iraq will keep being occupied by Bandar Bush-supported and Gulf-supported hardcore sectarian jihadis.

    The war will keep spreading deeper into Lebanon. The government in Damascus won’t collapse. The refugee crisis will soar. And the West will keep striking a pose of being concerned with ‘terror’.

    All that non-jazz in Montreux will come to nothing. And then some bureaucrat will call for a Geneva 3.

    The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.’

  184. “This is partially off topic (in that it’s about BBC bias in Scotland, not Syria), but Craig has spoken about this before, and I reckon it’s of interest to you guys here.”

    Two questions: Why is the BBC asking for a copy of the raw data unreasonable and in what way is sending a copy of the request to the Rector intimidating?

  185. Essentially, we’ve moved into the post-democratic era in the leading western coutries. Sure, the trappings and rituals of old-fashioned, liberal democracy remain, only without real content or vitality. One can go further an argue that it’s post-politics too, as the political parties have merged around some mythical middle-ground and the differences between them are ones of rhetoric, style, and factional, rather than substantive or ideological. So, I suppose politics has now become post-ideological as well. Does this mean that we actually live in what could be described as a one-party state? Yes, probably, as our politics increasingly resembles the United States. A one-party democracy? How does that add up? Can one have democracy under such a system, where real choice and alternatives are virtually non-existant? Liberals and what used to be the Left have a lot to answer for here as they have passively watched while a totalitarian form of democracy has emerged since 9/11, a totalitarian form welded to aggressive warfare and a neo-conservative, neo-imperialist agenda, a desparate lurch towards militarism and a grab for economic and strategic advantage over potential rivals for world domination, and in this foul and bloody game Syria is just another square on the chessboard.

  186. Now even the MOD admits multiculture Britain has had enough of foreign conflicts.Especially disastrous,fake and pointless ones such as Iraq and Afghanistan.

    No shit Sherlock.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/22/multicultural-britain-foreign-conflict-mod

    And the woefully biased,inept and war drum beating BBC were probably more interested in covering up Savile’s horrific abuse of over 1000 children to report fairly on any disastrous wars.

    Why did so many at the BBC who knew of Savile’s activities stay silent ?

    Never trust anything the BBC says.

  187. Ian Duncan-Smith details UK’s ‘ghetto reality’ and claims his welfare reforms can make Britain ‘great’ again…

    Great for who Ian? The 500,000 at food banks or your gangster bankster chums?

    This is a man whose grasp of facts snd reality is so tenuous he couldnt remember what university he went to…thats putting it kindly..

    Warning in link: horrific smug bastard photo of IDS.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/22/duncan-smith-benefits-street-shock

  188. The nauseating hypocrisy of the US and UK pointing fingers at ANYONE over torture claims is truly disturbing.

  189. Uzbek in the UK

    23 Jan, 2014 - 11:00 am

    Interesting debates.

    No one here seem to give a toss about the fact that current Assad has inherited the throne from his farther and that the family has been running whole country like their private firm for the last 43 years. Yes, 43 years it is longer than some of royal dynasties in European history.

    What is more interesting is that no one seem to care that al-Assads put in charge their relative and kinsman Alawities and rule the country where over 80% of population are Sunni Muslims. And when this 80% of population suddenly decided to take matter of their lives into their own hands, and al-Assads started smashing them with Russian tanks, bomb them with Russian airplanes and shoot them with Russian bullets, most of contributors on this blog still make Putin a good guy and thank Russia for what is has done.

    Interesting moral standing of many here indeed.

  190. Despite the predicable & obvious guff from the usual suspects, the informed commentary of most posters here,make this Blog worth visting, and makes you appreciate the severity of the recent two months closing of comments; what’s the news regarding moderation now, or is it as before ?

  191. @Uzbek in the UK, all that may be true, but does that mean we should join in right now, with the demonising of the Assads, by the humanitarian bombing supporters, so that our Governments feel free to have their way, to actually increase the bloodbath in Syria, by turning it into another Iraq or Libya ?

  192. “Police chiefs say water cannon are needed because ‘austerity measures are likely to lead to continued protest’”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/22/police-home-secretary-approve-use-water-cannon-austerity-protest

  193. Good to see you back Macky. I think it is now ‘Moderation Lite’ but who knows as we haven’t heard from Jon. Craig has removed a post or two.

    Wonder where Sofia is? :)

  194. Ideally… I’d prefer Syria to be a beacon of anarchist, de-centralized, democracy, where everyone was wedded to the principles of liberty, equality, and fraternity, and superstitious religion was withering away, and a lot of other things too as Syria moved towards an anarchist utopia, showing the world what could be done once the people were freed from the shackles of the marketplace, regligion, sectarianism, militarism, and the state… in the meantime, that’ll have to wait as the country is under attack from what increasingly looks like a foreign mercenary army, trained, armed, financed, and given diplomatic cover by the West that’s determined to topple the Syrian regime, regardless of the costs to the Syrian people, who are mere pawns in the game.

    It’s bizarre and grotesque listening to Kerry pontificate about human rights, freedom, and democracy. The hypocricy, double-standards, and self-righteousness are astounding, even for an American politician. The US is using Islamists and al-Queda terrorists as its army in this war to topple Assad, how odd, and these people, who we are bombing in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and are supposed to be our deadly enemy, are on our payroll, and supposedly going to introduce democracy to Syria! Is Kerry fantasizing, or is he on drugs? Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, countries we destroyed over the last thirty years as we sent our bombers and legions to help them attain democracy. All these countries were infinitely better off before we attacked them and gave them the gift of democracy. If smashing them to pieces, destroying their infrastructure, killing them in the millions, is the nobel price for democracy, democracy western-style, then, frankly, you can keep it, bring back the strongmen and stability.

    But of course it’s nonsense. Our leaders don’t give a damn about ordinary people in these countries, whether they live or die. They are just pawns in the game. Going way back, when the long war began, the Americans saw the military takeover in Afghanistan, a secular, nationalist, westernized, take-over, as a golden opportunity to drag the Russians into the mire and bleed them dry, give them a version of Vietnam. So the Americans using Pakistan and a proxy army of Islamic fighters began to attack the military regime in Afghanistan, knowing that the Russians would be forced to intervene, as the Russians are paranoid about Islamists on their borders and the threat of them spreading further. So the Russians marched into Afghanistan and were in the American trap, so the blood really began to flow as the Americans poured money and weapons into Afghanistan along with Saudi Arabia and the tiny gulf states. The Americans didn’t do this because they loved the Afghans, they did it because they hated the Russians and wanted to see them bleed big time. That hundreds of thousands of Afghans died was irrelevant, they didn’t matter, mere pawns in the game, as long as thousands of Russians died as well. And this has been the pattern repeated endlessly for the last forty years. The Americans using al-Queda and Islamists as their shock troops and private terrorist gangs to attack their enemies and gain advantage. Ordinary people slaughtered in a ghastly and cynical blood-game between great power rivals. Did ordinary Afghans get anything positive out of all this destruction and killing as the great powers played with them? Of course not, nobody cares about them, who bothers about pawns in a game of chess?

  195. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    23 Jan, 2014 - 12:07 pm

    ‘Essentially, we’ve moved into the post-democratic era in the leading western countries……’ {Writeon}

    Did democracy ever have real power, or was it always subverted by vested interests? Whatever, the power now lies with hedge funds, to which even banks defer, and which finance the amalgamation of productive and useful industries into commercial monopolies.
    Think of them as lilies:

    ‘They toil not, neither do they spin, but Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.’

  196. @Mary, thanks, a quick read through tells me nothing has changed, so the enforced close-down was indeed quite pointless.

    @Writeon, I couldn’t agree more with your posts, but I do think that religion does provide an important beneficial function in most socities.

  197. Uzbek in the UK

    23 Jan, 2014 - 12:24 pm

    Macky

    There is no simple answer to this and many other conflicts of the past. It was (I think) Bismark who said that there was no conflict in Europe (at that time) on which Austria did not warm up its Austrian soup. This can easily be applied to the great powers today and to the US specifically. The best (ideal) solution would be if there were no conflicts. If there were good governments all over the world which respects rights of their citizens. If borders of many post-colonial nations were not drawn thousands miles away in European capitals without smallest consideration of people these borders are mixing or dividing. But unfortunately this is not the case in case of many nations. So how do we go from here? Wait and see how many more people are slaughtered in there? Side with one against another to help one to slaughter another? Wait and see how others (not us) help one to slaughter others (in there)? Any OTHER options (which past and present system of world order is not aware of)?

    I bet many on this blog would prefer first option as it at least free us from moral responsibility of slaughter. Who (be honest) gives a toss of people slaughtered here and there, as long as we are not involved (for whatever motive). This is general criticism of left liberal within liberals. Left liberals are not satisfied with the current state of affair but western involvement makes things worse (which is true in most cases). Yes, fair enough it is understandable approach. But non-involvement does not make things better either. Especially when siding with others (non west) who still gets involved and take part in the slaughter, especially on the side of those who have least moral standing in this (slaughter).

  198. Macky. You are correct. I was being a bit harsh on religion. Which is ironic as I have lots of religious friends who I get along with splendidly.

  199. We have ‘spoken’ before of these Israeli oil grabs in land that does not belong to them nor under the coastal waters.

    Craig has this piece on Information Clearing House.

    Israel Grants Oil Rights in Syria to Murdoch and Rothschild
    By Craig Murray

    January 22, 2014 “Information Clearing House – Israel has granted oil exploration rights inside Syria, in the occupied Golan Heights, to Genie Energy. Major shareholders of Genie Energy – which also has interests in shale gas in the United States and shale oil in Israel – include Rupert Murdoch and Lord Jacob Rothschild. This from a 2010 Genie Energy press release:

    Claude Pupkin, CEO of Genie Oil and Gas, commented, “Genie’s success will ultimately depend, in part, on access to the expertise of the oil and gas industry and to the financial markets. Jacob Rothschild and Rupert Murdoch are extremely well regarded by and connected to leaders in these sectors. Their guidance and participation will prove invaluable.”

    “I am grateful to Howard Jonas and IDT for the opportunity to invest in this important initiative,” Lord Rothschild said. “Rupert Murdoch’s extraordinary achievements speak for themselves and we are very pleased he has agreed to be our partner. Genie Energy is making good technological progress to tap the world’s substantial oil shale deposits which could transform the future prospects of Israel, the Middle East and our allies around the world.”

    /..
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37438.htm

  200. Mary

    What was vile with that speech please?

  201. Almost all of it apart from the opening para.

  202. doug scorgie

    23 Jan, 2014 - 1:52 pm

    Mary

    The man who composed the Hockey Cokey caused problems for the undertakers on his death.

    They put his left leg in; his left leg out; in out in out; they shook it all about…

    Sorry

  203. “Obviously will be a tough and complicated negotions”

    How to create a
    Civil society the American way!

    How many American abortions a year?

  204. doug scorgie

    23 Jan, 2014 - 2:04 pm

    Growth of what?
    1. House prices.
    2. Food prices.
    3. Rentals
    4. Food banks
    5. Penises

  205. doug scorgie

    23 Jan, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    From the horses mouth; its about regime change and always was.

    “US state department spokeswoman Marie Harf said it [the report on Syrian 11,000 dead detainees] “underscores that it makes it even more important that we make progress [at Geneva II].

    The situation on the ground is so horrific that we need to get a political transition in place, and we need to get the Assad regime out of power.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37435.htm

  206. Thought I would look your Ms Harf up Doug.

    She has a lot of previous so to apeak. Here is some.

    http://the-embassy-of-peace.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/who-if-marie-harf.html

    Obama seems to surround himself with these harpie warmongering women. Harf, Nuland, Susan Rice at the UN, that ex Amnesty US woman Suzanne Nossel, and so on. Perhaps they flatter him.

    ~~~

    LOL Hokey Cokey If it was raining in the lunch hour at school, we used to do Scottish or English country dancing and occasionally the Hokey Cokey. Can you imagine the kids nowadays doing the same?

  207. Hello Write-on. Ben Here.

    ” Left have a lot to answer for here as they have passively watched while a totalitarian form of democracy has emerged since 9/11, a totalitarian form welded to aggressive warfare and a neo-conservative, neo-imperialist agenda,”

    Well the re-set has to do with the tolerance for Capitalism with all it’s trappings. The Left bear some responsibility for allowing themselves to be assimilated into a homogenous goo of bi-partisan hackery. The putative ‘Left’ has been engaged in a form of Detente and capitulation since the late 70′s when activism began to be viewed by mainstreamers as violent and nihilistic. The wave of conservative trending is starting to recede. Time to reactivate.

  208. “Kempe,

    http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/resguide/scact_veto_en.shtml

    Who is the veto king over the last 30 years say ”

    Irrelevant. We’re discussing Syria not who’s used the most vetos, classic example of what another poster raised; anything can be excused if it can be proved the US/UK/Israel did anything remotely similar at any time in the past. You just don’t get it do you? No matter how many times the US might’ve used it’s veto in the past 30 years IT DOESN’T MAKE IT RIGHT FOR RUSSIA AND CHINA TO DO SO NOW.

    Anyway why 30 years? Go back to the early days and it looks very different.

  209. @Uzbek in the UK

    “I bet many on this blog would prefer first option as it at least free us from moral responsibility of slaughter. Who (be honest) gives a toss of people slaughtered here and there, as long as we are not involved (for whatever motive). This is general criticism of left liberal within liberals. Left liberals are not satisfied with the current state of affair but western involvement makes things worse (which is true in most cases). Yes, fair enough it is understandable approach. But non-involvement does not make things better either. Especially when siding with others (non west) who still gets involved and take part in the slaughter, especially on the side of those who have least moral standing in this (slaughter).”

    I am afraid that this sort of thinking is a little too deep for many here – who I am afraid are either too conditioned by their tribal position on Iraq/Islam/Israel, an automatic assumption that it only the West is capable of imperialism and the worst abuses of human rights, and in not a few cases a lingering addiction to following the old Soviet and anti Western party line which Comrade Putin has not adopted to his mafia activities ( I appreciate this may be a little unfair the Sicillian branch who could only dream of operations on the same scale). I suspect that not a few here, if they had been around would have been condemning the UK and France for going to war over the Nazi invasion of Poland.

    They do not recognise that there is a perfectly respectable case for Liberal intervention in other countries e.g. John Stuart Mill specifically identified a number of cases where such intervention was appropriate. They also, perhaps understandably given recent history, leap to the assumption that such liberal intervention has to be in the form of a military invasion and ignore the many alternatives that need to be considered beforehand. Some also have a nasty arrogance in that they automatically assume that those who disagree with them, despite their protestations to the contrary are neo-con war hawks (or similar) who hold a position that is diametrically opposed to their own one eyed view.

    Fortunately, some of us have two eyes and we are prepared to use them and recognise that human rights are meant to be universal.

  210. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 4:59 pm

    @ Uzbek in the UK

    “No one here seem to give a toss about the fact that current Assad has inherited the throne from his farther and that the family has been running whole country like their private firm for the last 43 years. Yes, 43 years it is longer than some of royal dynasties in European history”

    _____________________

    I hope you don’t include me in the “No one here”, because I have been poking drawing readers’ attention to this medieval and absurd fact for quite a while now. Witness my broadcasting of the famly firm’s name:

    “Assad @ Sons, est. 1971. Torture, imprisonments and exiles our speciality. Gassings undertaken”.

    And while we’re about it, how about that other great medieval Monarchy, the Kims of the laughingly-styled “Democratic” Republic of North Korea? They’ve been reigning for the last 65-odd years, I believe.

    Comment from John Goss?

  211. Mary

    I’m not sure why you are asking me, who you no doubt consider to be a unreliable source, to confirm what you have been told by a source you deem to be reliable. Nevertheless, the changes in the handles I used were all pretty well documented at the time. Interesting all this suggests that Mary and others have some form of network outside this blog – perhaps this is why they assume that their opponents behave in a similar co-ordinated manner. I do trust that I am on the list of those to dealt with come the Revolution – I wouldn’t want to be left off.

  212. Habba

    I’m sure John Goss only considers the life of dynasties in relation to that of his beloved Rothchilds.

  213. I repeat, Habbabkuk (La vita è bella! 21 Jan, 2014 – 5:42 pm

    In another of his discursive comments Habbabkuk asks us to join him in celebrating an IMF prediction that UK economic growth is improving.

    “Splendid news courtesy of the IMF, whose latest forecast had upped UK growth from 1,9% to 2,4%.

    I’m certain that all here who wish the UK well will share my pleasure at this news!”

    I would be happy to join him in his celebrations if I knew what his understanding of economic growth is and how it would benefit the majority of us if it turned out to be true. He seems difficult to pin down on this and does not answer my requests for his understanding of economic growth. If it was the growth in social housing I would be celebrating with him. Likewise the growth in the number of doctors, nurses, teachers. I am eager to share his joy. I have asked him if this economic growth is GDP but he does not seem to know.

  214. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 5:08 pm

    @ Kempe, re Un vetoes

    “Anyway why 30 years? Go back to the early days and it looks very different.”
    _____________________

    Typical selective use of figures in a vain attempt to pull the wool over our eyes (the Eminences really think that everyone on here is a fool).

    You are of course correct – I invite people to check out who was vetoeing what, and how often, in the first 30 years of the UN’s existence (perhaps John Goss could help us here?).

  215. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 5:11 pm

    @ ESLO

    “Interesting all this suggests that Mary and others have some form of network outside this blog –…”
    _________________

    I believe they do – which might explain how a lot of them found each other on AlcAnon’s (alias Squonk’s) blog while this one was off the air.

  216. @Uzbek in the UK, actually there is a very simple answer, which is to encourage peaceful negotiated settlements of conflicts, and without the use of force, and without the use of immoral & indiscriminate measures such as the genocidal sanctions that were applied to Iraq for a whole decade. The principle of the sovereignty of National States, as codified in the UN Charter & International Law, with its inherent right of self-determination, is the underlying fundamental lynchpin for everything we profess to believe in, and for keeping the World from turning into an inferno of chaos, so breaking this & undermining this principle under a R2P notion is very dangerous, and in the final account, always counter-productive; dangerous because of the precedent of allowing countries the “right” to interfere in the internal conflicts of other countries, which they will do only in line with their own perceived advantage, because countries are not people, and national interests will always override moral considerations, and counter-productive for conflicts that are mostly sectarian, based on ethnic &/or religious lines, because siding with one side against another, only increases the distrust & further poisons any chance of reconciliation amongst the sides involved, which endures with a deadly lingering legacy for decades, witness the daily carnage in Iraq, and the bitter relationships, that frequently turns violent in Kosovo, between Serbs & Albanians, a power keg ready to explode once again; it’s no coincidence that the Serbs committed most of their war crimes only after the first NATO bombs started to fall, as massacres & genocides tend to mostly occur in the midst of the carnage & inhumanity of war.

    I think your remark that most here don’t give “ a toss of people slaughtered here and there”, is incorrect, and actually quite offensive.

  217. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 5:15 pm

    John Goss says this à propos my joy at the good news of accelerating UK economic growth (now forecast at 2,4%):

    “I am eager to share his joy”
    _______________________

    Now why don’t I quite believe him? :)

    PS – Will John also express eagerness to share my joy at the news that unemployment is falling (now down to 7,1%) and if so, should I believe him?

  218. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 5:21 pm

    “In another of his discursive comments Habbabkuk…..”

    ____________________

    Discursive as some of Habbabkuk’s comments might be, at least they get their facts right.

    To be noted by the author of the above, the same person who – non-discursively, of course – stated that New York Jewish financier Schiff (ca. 1918) financed…..Stalin. :)

  219. “Fortunately, some of us have two eyes and we are prepared to use them and recognise that human rights are meant to be universal.”

    My minds Eye.

    My mind’s eye cornered itself,
    Pinned itself on a blank wall,
    No longer eager to fathom
    The shapeless phantom
    That will redefine my flesh bleak
    Upon the hour fire mashes it to ash!
    This passing hour, my mind’s eye stays paused,
    Feeling unmoved in its purchased straitjacket,
    Waiting for gravity to pull on watery bags
    Under my blue, white, black paralyzed gaze
    Yawning my chapped lion mouth to sleep.
    Until, a sudden rush of fists smash vertically through.
    Crumbling the ceiling

    And dividing my room’s scratched, bruised floor,
    Inventing a new door,
    Leading to the earth’s lea!!!
    A silky, glossy, mass of carpeted grass!!!
    Incites me to see
    Irises to fan out blissfully!!!
    While adapting to this new light traveling past, fast!
    Heading to my mind’s renewed eye!
    Share!

  220. John

    While I appreciate the point that increases in GDP do not translate into improved living standards for ordinary working people – and it is still the case that median take home pay in real terms is continuing to fall (demonstrating very clearly that we are most definitely all in it together) – perhaps he might wish to try and find a period when real wages grew and there was not healthy GDP growth. I am pretty certain that he will find that GDP growth is a necessary but not sufficient condition for improvement in real living standards – and for that reason it should be welcomed.

  221. “I think your remark that most here don’t give “ a toss of people slaughtered here and there”,

    Could you point to where a toss is being given for the victims of Assad including the millions of refugees.

  222. Actually, the “network outside this blog” is AlcAnon’s Squonk blog, as Habbabkuk already knows, having visited and commented there himself. AlcAnon repeatedly posted comments here linking to squonk.tk and inviting people to read and comment there.

    I’ve been publishing my e-mail address on my contact page for years, and I’ve exchanged e-mail addresses with several people here. I’ve even met a few, as you can discover if you look through old comments.

  223. The trolls are exhibiting paranoia now. They think there is some sort of secret network to which they have been ezcluded! If they ever visited the al Hilli thread, which was kept open, they might have noticed this comment. I did. Squonk is a nice blog and full of interest especially for astronomers.

    Clark
    4 Jan, 2014 – 12:51 am
    Tim V, it was good to see you at squonk.tk do drop by again, and thanks for the link about the former French foreign minister.

    I seem to remember I went on Squonk when I found a link to Craig speaking at Nottingham Uni. in November as we did not know whether he was alive or dead! Alive thank goodness.
    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/iaps/news/tomlinson-lecture-2013-delivered-by-craig-murray.aspx

  224. In my experience those of us who give a toss are pretty quickly singled out for treatment – why is this?

  225. ESLO, of course people here care about the Syrian civilian population, but different people believe different things. Those who believe that the Syrian conflict is driven mostly by death-squads and terrorists from outside Syria express their care by trying to expose, publicise and oppose this aspect of the conflict.

    ESLO, there are ways of forging consensus and agreement. You’d increase my faith in your motives if you’d make such an effort. You, and anyone else, are always welcome to e-mail me to discuss how debate could be improved. Sometimes argument can be more constructive if both public and private approaches are pursued.

  226. Habbabkuk’s spaceship arrived on Squonk just before Christmas as I recall and he emerged to say:

    https://squonk.tk/blog/2013/12/19/the-new-yorker-state-of-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-1800

    Same old. Same old followed. 32 mentions of ‘Habbabkuk’ including when being addressed.

    Pathetic.

  227. There was an extremely unpleasant cartoon by Steve Bell in the Guardian. The Medialens editors wrote:

    Email to Guardian’s Steve Bell
    Posted by The Editors on January 23, 2014, 1:19 pm

    Hi Steve

    Regarding this week’s cartoon on Assad’s ‘selfie’ http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cartoon/2014/jan/22/steve-bell-evidence-killing-syria , are you not at all sceptical about the timing, accuracy and provenance of the recent report on Syrian government killing and torture? You’ll know that the report was commissioned by the Qatari government which, according to the FT, has bankrolled the ‘rebels’ to the tune of $3 billion in weaponry and other support http://tinyurl.com/qdmwxrk .

    Isn’t it obvious that Qatar timed the release of the report to provide an ideal backdrop for media discussion (cartoons included) of the Geneva II peace conference? Should that not encourage a little caution and scepticism?

    Sincerely

    David Edwards

    ~~~

    There was an even more disgusting one in Murdoch’s organ by Brookes.
    https://twitter.com/BrookesTimes/status/426120769593417729/photo/1

    He sounds really pleased with himself. Probably got some brownie points for it.

  228. ESLO, I expect you’d be trusted more widely if you’d stop supporting Habbabkuk, who rarely has anything nice to say to anyone, posts offensive remarks to all and sundry, indulged in sock-puppetry, deliberately starts pointless arguments, and reveals so little about his own political beliefs. If anyone seems to “not give a toss” it’s Habbabkuk, with his constant “Life Is Good” message. Life doesn’t seem to good for the Syrians.

  229. ESLO, here’s an example of how you set yourself up for “treatment”:

    “Could you point to where a toss is being given for the victims of Assad including the millions of refugees.”

    This sentence includes the assumption that the millions of refugees are the victims exclusively of Assad. Many people here do not accept that assumption, and find it propagandistic. Do you understand?

  230. Mary, thanks for this snippet from the Financial Times:

    “the Qatari government [...] has bankrolled the ‘rebels’ to the tune of $3 billion in weaponry and other support”

    No, Assad and the Syrian government certainly cannot be held solely responsible for the slaughter and exodus.

  231. Those tedious entries from Habbabkuk on Squonk ended with his critique of Arthur Scargill. Scargill was right all along when it emerged in the release of cabinet papers, after 30 years, that Thatcher HAD PLANNED to close 70 pits. She wanted it done little by little and subtly so as not to alarm the natives.

    http://labourlist.org/2014/01/how-thatcher-lied-to-the-country-during-the-miners-strike/

    http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/the-lies-that-smashed-the-unions-and-destroyed-our-coal-industry/

  232. “ESLO, I expect you’d be trusted more widely if you’d stop supporting Habbabkuk, who rarely has anything nice to say to anyone, posts offensive remarks to all and sundry, indulged in sock-puppetry, deliberately starts pointless arguments, and reveals so little about his own political beliefs. If anyone seems to “not give a toss” it’s Habbabkuk, with his constant “Life Is Good” message. Life doesn’t seem to good for the Syrians.”

    Unlike dear Clark, of course, who isn’t above the odd vituperative post himself, has been caught using his moderator’s privilege to edit his posts mid-debate, and has never, ever resorted to sock-puppetry. Mr nice guy hippy loves to portray his innocence in every matter.

  233. Correcting my grammar and a typo in my post @ 5.40pm

    ‘The trolls are exhibiting paranoia now. They think that there is some sort of secret network from which they have been excluded!’

  234. Oh Patience! Where Art Thou?

    Perhaps the ‘recovery’ is more smoke and mirrors than reality.

    Remember his words when it all goes pear-shaped.

    23 January 2014
    Cameron: UK’s economic recovery will need ‘patience’

    David Cameron: “It’s going to take time and we need to be patient”

    Davos 2014
    Carney: No immediate rate rise needed
    Peston: Bankers back in PM’s tent
    Abe urges Asia military restraint
    Europe downturn not over, say bosses

    Prime Minister David Cameron has told the BBC that a sustained economic recovery must be one which is balanced between “north and south”.

    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, the prime minister said that the economy needs rebalancing.

    He said: “In the case of Britain we need to rebalance our economy and make sure it’s a north and south recovery – manufacturing as well as services.”

    But Mr Cameron said that economic recovery will take “patience”.

    He added that the government needs to deal with “excessive deficits and our broken banking system”, but he was confident that the UK could attract investment and manufacturers.

    Housing bubble?

    “We are a very welcoming economy,” he said.

    When asked if people would see an improvement in their living standards, he said that there have been positive movements in employment. And, he said in the interview with BBC business editor Robert Peston: “We are seeing positive signs on take-home pay.”

    When asked if he was concerned by a potential housing bubble or other asset bubble in the UK, Mr Cameron said that the Bank of England was fully independent, and that it was the Bank’s job to “identify” and to “deal with” any asset bubble.

    “We should leave it to them, not politicians.”

    But he said that a recovery in the housing market was “welcome”.

    “You do need a market where people can buy houses, move house, find work, and that drives a lot of activity in the economy,” the prime minister said.

    Mr Cameron said the economic revival needed to be balanced, and that “living within our means” was vital to a sustained global recovery.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25868096

  235. Anon, when I had moderator access, I did occasionally correct my own typographic, grammatical and spelling errors. Considering that the work-load of moderation caused me to rush the composition of my comments, I consider this acceptable. I did not alter the meaning of any of my own comments.

    I have used sock-puppetry twice, many years ago, before I knew it to be wrong. The first instance was merely a joke. I used “Recursive” as my name because it seemed appropriate to the comment I was making. The other occasion I will not reveal, as I was protecting someone else’s identity by hiding my own. I have never used sock-puppetry to post an offensive comment while concealing my identity, nor to falsely bolster an argument by appearing to be more than one person.

    Do you claim otherwise? If not, what harm do you see in what I did?

  236. Mary,

    Read comment at “January 21, 2014 at 2:01 pm”

    http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2014/01/20/more-poverty-more-homelessness-more-deaths-labour-set-out-a-vision-for-workfare-britain/

    If that is “Mike Sivier” ?, he is a big supporter of the far right NuLabour party and no mistake.

  237. “Margaret Thatcher branded Arthur Scargill and the other leaders of the 1984-5 miners’ strike ;’the enemy within’. With the publication of this bestselling book a decade later, the full irony of that accusation became clear. There was an enemy within. But it was not the National Union of Mineworkers that was out to subvert liberty. It was the secret services of the British state – operating inside the NUM itself. Seumas Milne revealed for the first time the astonishing lengths to which the government and its intelligence machine were prepared to go to destry the power of Britain’s miners’ union. Using phoney bank deposits, staged cash drops, forged documents, agents provocateurs and unrelenting surveillance, MI5 and police Special Branch set out to discredit Scargill and other miners’ leaders. Planted tales of corruption were seized on by the media and both Tory and Labour politicians in what became an unprecedentedly savage smear campaign. In this new edition, published for the twentieth anniversary of Britain’s most important postwar social confrontation, new material brings the story up to date – and, in the wake of the Iraq war intelligence scandals, highlights the continuing threat posed by the security services to democracy today.”

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Enemy-within-Thatchers-Against/dp/1844675084/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390505966&sr=8-1&keywords=the+enemy+within+miners

  238. “Former NUM chief was police informer”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/true_spies/2351547.stm

  239. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 8:03 pm

    From the Resident Denigrator:

    “Habbabkuk’s spaceship arrived on Squonk just before Christmas as I recall and he emerged to say:

    https://squonk.tk/blog/2013/12/19/the-new-yorker-state-of-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-1800

    Same old. Same old followed. 32 mentions of ‘Habbabkuk’ including when being addressed.

    Pathetic.
    ___________________

    Yes indeed, I discovered Squonk’s blog just before Xmas….and was heartened to find old Mary posting away merrily with her usual sort of stuff. After getting over my shock at her unfaithfulnesss to Craig’s blog (she had obviously got herself a new groom, so to speak) I of course felt impelled to correct some rubbish or other she had written; that is the source she quotes in this post.

    I offer the following thought : does every Mary deserve her Habbabkuk?

  240. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 8:05 pm

    Question from Mary:

    “Isn’t it obvious that Qatar timed the release of the report to provide an ideal backdrop for media discussion (cartoons included) of the Geneva II peace conference? Should that not encourage a little caution and scepticism?”

    Answers from Habbabkuk:

    1/. Yes

    2/. Not necessarily.

  241. Wake up in the back.

    ‘“Isn’t it obvious that Qatar timed the release of the report to provide an ideal backdrop for media discussion (cartoons included) of the Geneva II peace conference? Should that not encourage a little caution and scepticism?”’

    That was not my question. It was David Edwards; question, one of the Medialens editors, addressed to the cartoonist Steve Bell. That was obvious and you are becoming extremely boring.

  242. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 8:15 pm

    @ Clark:

    “ESLO, I expect you’d be trusted more widely if you’d stop supporting Habbabkuk”
    ___________________

    What makes you think that ESLO wishes to be trusted more widely by the likes of you and the other Eminences? He can speak for himself, of course, but I should imagine that he is more interested in correcting the more obvious absurdities posted here.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “posts offensive remarks to all and sundry”
    _________________

    Not to all and sundry, just to the more egregious loonies
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “…and reveals so little about his own political beliefs.”

    _____________________

    Leaving aside the rather Stalinist tone of that remark (“CONFESS!!”), I think that anyone with more than a handful of grey cells wouldn’t have much difficulty in knowing where I stand on the various issues I address.

  243. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 8:20 pm

    Mary says:

    “Those tedious entries from Habbabkuk on Squonk ended with his critique of Arthur Scargill. Scargill was right all along when it emerged in the release of cabinet papers, after 30 years, that Thatcher HAD PLANNED to close 70 pits. She wanted it done little by little and subtly so as not to alarm the natives”
    __________________

    Leaving aside the question of whose posts – Mary’s or mine – are more tedious, shortly after posting on Arthur Scargill I read somewhere that far more pits had been closed under the Labour govts of Harold Wilson and Jim Callaghan than under Margaret Thatcher. Presumably Wilson and Callaghan also planned those pit closures as opposed to doing so in a fit of absent-mindednesss?

  244. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 8:29 pm

    @ Mary

    “Wake up in the back.

    ‘“Isn’t it obvious that Qatar timed the release of the report to provide an ideal backdrop for media discussion (cartoons included) of the Geneva II peace conference? Should that not encourage a little caution and scepticism?”’”
    _____________________

    Firstly, thanks for that swift – very swift – response, Mary.

    Secondly, as you posted that comment from someone else (with every indication of approving the sentiment expressed therein, and as you’re easier to get in touch with than David Edwards, I thought I’d give you my answers to those two questions.

    No problem with that, surely?

  245. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 8:35 pm

    Since Arthur Scargill and the great miners’ strike have made an O/T reappearance on this thread thanks to Mary, I feel entitled to ask the following question:

    How should the govt of the day have dealt with the UK coal-mining industry (‘dealt with’ in the sense of its future, I mean)?

    Considered thoughts welcome.

  246. doug scorgie

    23 Jan, 2014 - 8:55 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    23 Jan, 2014 – 4:59 pm

    “Assad @ Sons, est. 1971. Torture, imprisonments and exiles our speciality. Gassings undertaken”.

    Habbabkuk,
    Assad and his regime are a bunch of criminals and I don’t support them but I don’t support forced regime change either.

    You must be aware that the US/UK/Israel don’t give a shit about the Syrian people or democracy in that country.

    The UK government had refused to accept Syrian refugees from the UN camps until pressure on Cameron forced a U-turn.

    Assad has passed his best-before date for western geo-political reasons but until 2011 Assad was feted by the West:

    “Following an audience with the Queen, on day three of his visit to Britain, Mr Assad was meeting the Prince of Wales as well as opposition leaders Iain Duncan Smith and Charles Kennedy.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-151701/President-Assad-meets-Queen.html#ixzz2rFqhw8Qo

    Also

    “Revealed: Britain sold nerve gas chemicals to Syria 10 months after ‘civil unrest’ began”

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/revealed-britain-sold-nerve-gas-2242520

    So the US/UK/Israel are not supplying weapons and aid to the rebels for humanitarian reasons are they?

  247. Now here’s a thing or two.

    A British lawyer advises people to visit Israel and see what is really happening to Palestinian children in the military court system.

    ‘Secondly, those who consider that stories of systemic breaches of human rights under the occupation are an anti-Israel myth are deluding themselves.

    We spent a morning at the military courts observing young Palestinian boys, aged 13-17, being processed, and speaking to their mothers. It is clear that children are invariably arrested in night raids by the army at gunpoint, cuffed and blindfolded and held, often for hours, in that condition, denied access to food, water and toilet facilities, interrogated without being advised of their rights, without a lawyer and without their parents.’

    http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/comment/114819/take-a-lawyers-advice-visit-occupied-territories

    and our Ambassador to Israel advises the Israelis that they are losing support.

    ‘Israel is losing support across Europe due to its approach to the Palestinians and West Bank settlements, Britain’s ambassador in Tel Aviv has warned.

    Matthew Gould said changes were “slowly” becoming apparent in the way British politicians and the media approached Israel.

    “I love Israel and I worry that in another five years Israel will wake up and find that the country won’t have enough friends,” he said.’

    http://www.thejc.com/node/115008

    Perhaps the JC on a mission to disarm the critics.

  248. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    23 Jan, 2014 - 9:37 pm

    Scorgie

    “Assad and his regime are a bunch of criminals and I don’t support them…”
    _______________

    Very glad to hear that. Took you long enough.

  249. “Developer finds Chrome eavesdropping bug”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25859360

  250. Mary.
    You are still not following your own good advice and scrolling past the trolls. They are no more interest than passing clouds. Their job is to fill space so that logical discussion is harder to follow. You have to scroll past: Nevermind, ESLO Habbabkuk, Des Res, Fred, anything after the second volley from Tony_Opmoc because too much information, and anyone else including Guano, especially Guano when he’s talking bXXXXXXX about Islam and Muslims.

    You don’t dig the garden when it’s out of season. Put your muck on and let the worms do the rest. Leave the worms alone. Please.
    It takes more finger exercise scrolling down. Nil carborundum.

    The corpse portrayed in Steve Bell’s cartoon, whoever’s victims they may have been, are now in Heaven. The atheist Assad is portrayed as a terrified, red-eyed, maniac. That is how it is, however upsetting. We have to prepare for the worst, that the US will take him out sometime soon, and many of the Alawi people will be slaughtered. The Qur’an states that many of those who rejected Jesus, peace be upon him, were similarly slaughtered because they rejected the tenets of faith which Jesus pbuh rehearsed for them.

    Now in Geneva 2, John Kerry is witnessing for himself that Assad is beyond the common ground of any of the people of the book, Jewish, Christian or Muslim. He is nothing more than a Draculan Zombie obsessed with murder and power.

  251. Hey Guano, who you calling a troll?

    You want a flame war? I’ll give you a flame war to end all flame wars if that’s what you want.

    Otherwise cut out the name calling.

    Understand?

  252. Guano I do not engage in discussions with the trolls. Any comments are usually indirect.

    Furthermore, Nevermind is definitely not a troll. He is a decent person. I think you should make a correction.

  253. “Nevermind is definitely not a troll. He is a decent person. I think you should make a correction.”

    And apology.

  254. Mary
    23 Jan, 2014 – 9:34 pm

    “It is clear that children are invariably arrested in night raids by the army at gunpoint, cuffed and blindfolded and held, often for hours, in that condition, denied access to food, water and toilet facilities…”

    This denial of food, water and toilet facilities is an IDF tactic aimed at causing distress and humiliation.

    The people who took part in the 2010 Gaza flotilla, which was attacked by the IDF killing nine unarmed activists, were arrested and subjected to this tactic.

    No food; no water; no toilet facilities. Many of the activists had no choice but to urinate and defecate in their clothes (No doubt there will be sniggering from certain posters on this blog about this.)

    The same tactic is used by the police in the UK, mainly the Met, to intimidate and humiliate peaceful protesters; it’s called kettling and is aimed at dissuading people from protesting in future.

  255. Guano, they just don’t get your sense of humour, do they? Don’t worry, you make me laugh. You should be more careful with footballers’ gestures, however; you never know where they’ve been.

    Look folks, Guano called himself a troll! How can you possibly take so seriously someone who calls himself “industrial quantities of batshit”?

  256. BrianFujisan

    24 Jan, 2014 - 2:25 am

    Mary @ yesterday…8;32 am

    A section from the transcript that ( i think ) you were asking about…

    Now, lost in the daily reports of violence is the fact that this revolution did not begin as an armed resistance. This started peacefully. It was started by schoolboys in Daraa who are armed only with graffiti cans, citizens who were peacefully and legitimately calling for change. And they were met almost immediately with violence. When their parents came out to protest the arrest of the children, 120 people died. That was the beginning.
    And tragically, the Assad regime answered peaceful demonstration after peaceful demonstration with ever-increasing force. In the three years since then, this conflict has now left more than 130,000 dead, and it’s hard to count accurately. We all know that. The fact is that these people have been killed by guns, by tanks, by artillery, by gas, by barrel bombs, by Scud missiles. They’ve been killed by weapons almost exclusively of the magnitude not possessed by the opposition. Starvation has been used as a weapon of war. And most recently, we have seen horrific reports of systematic torture and execution of thousands of prisoners. This is an appalling assault, not only on human lives, but on human dignity and on every standard by which the international community tries to organize itself, recognizing the horrors of the humanitarian catastrophe that has unfolded, the destabilization of neighboring countries, and the endless exile of refugees.

    SO we should forget clinton, Cameron, admitions…that they were funding, arming the evil monsters…FROM THE START

    Mary Kerry full transcript @ -

    http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2014/01/20140122291401.html#axzz2rHHZLfzZ

  257. BrianFujisan

    24 Jan, 2014 - 2:48 am

    OOOPs sorry i missed seeing you had found it yourself Mary…was not easy was it

    Anyway Further to all this….

    from a few months ago –

    “There can be little doubt that the lifting of the arms embargo to the armed insurgents and terrorist groups operating in Syria is one of the most egregiously callous, self-serving, reckless and irresponsible moves made by the international community since the beginning of the internal conflict in the country.

    The West’s complete and total lack of regard for the precious lives of innocent Syrian civilians, including all non-Muslims, non-Sunnis, Jews, Christians and ethnic minority groups is mind-boggling in its persistence, premeditation and complete and total lack of anything resembling humanity.

    The West has once again truly shown the entire planet, that is anyone with their eyes half open, its monstrous and evil face when it comes to Syria. It is evident in everything the West has done in Syria. From the day the Western “masters” decided that elected President Bashar al-Assad had to go because he was not a Western puppet, to the instigating and fueling of the internal conflict, to the bellicose rhetoric AND ENDLESS SANTIONS, to the actual real and documented funding, arming and importing of every kind of terrorist, mercenary and killer under the sun, the West has shown time and time again that they will do absolutely anything to bring about their ends, while packaging it in marketable terms evoking righteousness and pride by calling it “iron resolve”, “taking the lead” and “ridding the world of evil”.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-has-the-right-to-peace-and-to-self-defense-despite-western-claims/5337694

  258. BrianFujisan

    24 Jan, 2014 - 3:00 am

    Here are the top three Western media lies about the Syrian peace talks.

    1) The removal of Syrian Bashar al-Assad was an agreed upon “precondition” for the Geneva II peace talks.

    This lie has been repeated over and over by government and media alike. It has zero basis. The Obama administration claims that this precondition was expressed in the “Geneva communiqué,” which was a road map agreement meant to guide the Geneva II peace talks, agreed upon by some of the major parties of the negotiations, including Russia.
    The communiqué does indeed call for a negotiated political transition, but nowhere does it state that such a transition cannot include President Assad. Such a condition would have been outright rejected by Russia.
    In fact, the Geneva communiqué includes this crucial statement:
    “[a transition government] could include members of the present [Syrian] government and the opposition and other groups and shall be formed on the basis of mutual consent.” Nowhere does it specifically mention or imply President Assad.
    The Los Angeles Times recently stepped out of line and exposed this lie:
    “[John] Kerry regularly cites the “Geneva communiqué,” a kind of peace road map hammered out in June 2012 during a United Nations-organized summit. But the document does not explicitly call for Assad’s ouster.”
    The Obama administration’s constant repeating of this lie only causes divisions in the peace process, undermining the chances that the peace process will succeed.
    The Obama administration is especially adamant about this “Assad must go” pre-condition because it knows that, if free and fair elections were held tomorrow in Syria — as part of a UN-backed “transitional process”— President Assad would likely win. This is the result of the ethnic and religious minorities in Syria that have rallied behind President Assad, since they’ve witnessed the consistent religious sectarian atrocities committed by the U.S.-backed rebels (which the U.S. media loves to ignore or minimize).
    Assad would probably win an election since there is also simply no one else on the government side or the opposition side with his name recognition or popularity. The U.S.-backed rebel war in Syria has vastly strengthened Assad’s political hand, but you wouldn’t know it from the Western, anti-Syrian media.
    Demanding Assad’s ouster also does not reflect the situation on the ground. The U.S.-backed rebels have never controlled more than one Syrian city, namely Raqaa, which is dominated by al-Qaeda and is governed under a Taliban-style interpretation of Islamic law, which includes a strict ban on music. Thus, the rebels don’t have the ground power that would even enable them to make the demand that “Assad must go”.

    2) The U.S.-backed rebel militias are “moderate” Islamic groups.
    The fact that this lie can even be uttered publicly without encountering ridicule is a major success of Western media propaganda. The media narrative paints the U.S.-backed “good” rebels fighting both the Syrian government and the “bad” al-Qaeda linked rebels.
    But the “good” rebels in the U.S.-backed Islamic Front share the same vision for Syria’s future as the al-Qaeda rebels: a fundamentalist version of Sharia law, where women live in virtual house arrest and where religious minorities are second class citizens (non-Sunni Muslims would simply be butchered, as they are on a regular basis in Syria, which is again minimized or ignored in the Western media.)
    The “moderate rebel” lie was further exposed recently when a top leader in the most powerful militia, Ahrar al Sham, within the Islamic Front declared Ahrar al Sham to be the “real” representative of al-Qaeda in Syria, as opposed to the rival al-Qaeda faction that the Islamic Front had recently begun fighting.
    Ahrar al Sham has long been known to be an al-Qaeda type Islamist extremist group; the Western media simply chose to ignore it. But when it was recently made official, the U.S. media chose to continue its ignoring stance, since actually reporting on it would destroy their “moderate rebel” lie. The Western media also continues to ignore the fact that the “moderate” U.S.-backed Islamic Front issued a joint statement that aligned itself to the extremist views of Ahrar al Sham, the “real” al-Qaeda.

    3) New Evidence of Syrian government “industrial scale” torture.
    The Western media recently blasted the “breaking news” of brand new evidence showing massive “NAZI-like” torture and murder by the Syrian government, released at the beginning of the Syrian peace talks. This may or may not be true, but the lie here is that the Western media promoted the “evidence” as being unquestionably true, when the story doesn’t reach first base when it comes to evidence-based journalism.
    All we really know is that there are hundreds of pictures of dead people that a “trusted source” says were killed by the Syrian government. The trusted source was designated as such by pro-Western intellectuals, who have earned professional “credibility” by helping convict war criminals in the International Criminal Court [ICC]. But as author Diane Johnstone pointed out in her excellent book “Fools Crusade,” about the war against Yugoslavia — as well as in other articles — the ICC has long been used by western powers as a tool to create a pretext for war, or a tool to justify a war after the fact.
    The evidence of the “NAZI-like” atrocities was written in a study paid for by the government of Qatar, which has long funneled cash, guns, and Jihadis to Syria in aid of the anti-government rebels.
    Again, we don’t know if the story is true or not. But such an important investigation should be conducted by the UN or another more objective institution. The same biased dynamic occurred in relation to the infamous chemical weapons attack, where no real evidence was provided, though an unending string of “experts” were quoted in the Western media, testifying to the guilt of the Syrian Government. But when Pulitzer prizewinning journalist Seymour Hirsch reported that the Obama administration lied about the rebels not having the capacity to perform such an attack, the Western media simply ignored the legend of journalism. The wrench in the propaganda machine was simply dislodged.
    How do these lies become such permanent fixtures in the Western media? An excellent article in the Guardian newspaper recently discussed in depth the principal sources the Western media has used to understand the Syrian conflict.
    The article exposed the incredible bias of some of the most important Western media sources on Syria, which is why they were handpicked in the first place to be “expert” sources: they had political agendas that were aligned with the U.S. government’s foreign policy decisions. The other side of the conflict was completely ignored, except when it was targeted for ridicule. Thus, Americans and Europeans have a completely one-sided, if not fantasy-based perspective of what is happening in Syria. This has been systematic since the beginning of the conflict, as happened with the Yugoslav, Afghan, Iraq, and Libya wars.
    The result of this media-led ignorance could result in yet more unnecessary deaths in a country that now has millions of refugees and over a 100,000 dead. Obama seems like he intends to exploit these peace talks with the intention of blaming the Syrian government for their failure. Having failed to defeat Assad on the battlefield in a proxy war, the Obama administration is trying to win the propaganda war. And once peace talks have failed, talk of war will resume, since “all other options have failed.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/media-spin-machine-in-high-gear-top-three-media-lies-about-the-syrian-peace-talks/5366099

  259. Daniel Rich That is a must read by Pepe Escobar for its irony alone apart from hearing of the antics of the gangsters-in-charge attending Davos.

    I put up an earlier link to another of Escobar’s on the Syrian talks, ‘Syria and the Geneva 2 charade’
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/01/syria-and-diplomacy/#comment-438615

    This photo sums Davos up.

    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Beq7nzWCUAEAa4w.jpg

    The Banks And Parties Are Back
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinehoward/2011/01/26/liz-claman-at-davos-the-banks-and-parties-are-back/

  260. So let me get this right.

    The US are financing Al-Qaeda in Syria.

    So it must be the case then that under US created laws in the War On Terror the US should arrest itself for aiding and abetting a terrorist organisation,should have its finances frozen and fly itslf to Guantanamo Bay in order to torture itself for years?

    Is that how the law is meant to work yes?

  261. @ Jives,

    You forgot to put us on a rendition flight to a torture friendly client state to be [for once] at the receiving end of the same enhanced interrogation techniques we shot ‘em Japs for.

    The western hypocrisy stinks worse than the rotting corpses in my in-laws’ basement.

  262. @ Mary,

    Don’t fight fire with fire. Piss on it.

  263. Live Q&A with Edward Snowden: Thursday 23rd January, 2014
    http://www.freesnowden.is/asksnowden/

  264. The Western Powers need to realise that Catch-22 was a satire not a manual.

    The madness,lies and incompetence masquerading as foreign policy and conflict strategy in Syria would stagger even Joseph Heller id imagine.

  265. Nevermind from War Criminals:
    “If he would had made such a guesture playing in Germany, he would have acted unlawful. I despise public expressions such as this, regardless of whether they come from Anelka or from anybody else, as they are giving voice to fascists who argue with each other, but are essentially out to commit the same attrocities and justify them to the world with some inane crap, are essentially supressing views that are contrare to their regime.”

    Anelka is out to commit the same atrocities as Zionists?

    If it do come to pass
    That any man turn ass,
    Leaving his wealth and ease
    A stubborn will to please,
    Ducdame, ducdame, ducdame.
    Here shall he see
    Gross fools as he,
    An if he will come to me.

    Shakespeare’s As You Like It.

    http://shaksper.net/archive/2007/254-october/25838-observation-about-ducdame

    I cannot understand why Nevermind thinks that minding about the Anti-Islam politics of Zionism will turn into another Fascism.
    Muslims should just accept the War on Terror?

    And yet when Al Qaida strikes back at the utter jelly of Neo-Liberalism which has allowed Assad to bomb his own citizens for 3 years, and torture them for decades, the West points the finger at them.

    If Zionist militancy is the same as Islamic militancy, why is the zionist state war on terror okay, and the Islamist response not okay?

    I’ve a mind to add BrianFujisan to my list of trolls for this idiotic comment above: “f free and fair elections were held tomorrow in Syria ……President Assad would likely win.”

    We all say daft things from time to time but this is surely the most wishful of wishful thinking of Islamophobes.

    I sat yesterday among a group of UK electricians who exuded embarrassment at the presence of a bearded Muslim. They were so busy covering up their delight at the excesses of Al Qaida and the plight of Assad’s victims they could hardly sit in the same room. What better solution to the Muslims’ miseries than for the UK to legitimise his criminal regime?

    Also Mark Golding seems to have gone into mad Shi’a mode, which is surprising since he has experienced them in Iraq at first hand.

    I apologise to Someone, for putting him on my list of trolls.

  266. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    24 Jan, 2014 - 11:53 am

    Clark/Jon: More than I intended. Last paragraph and link are all that are necessary to contradict my biblical friend’s snark re a John Goss post. Please delete the rest if you see this.

  267. “Scotland: the police state”

    Yes, it is most worrying the direction Scotland is going in. Especially the amalgamation of the police forces into one and the attempts to abolish corroboration.

    “poverty and desperation”

    I don’t think the people’s reaction could be shown to be a result of poverty and desperation. Just human nature.

  268. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    24 Jan, 2014 - 12:17 pm

    @ Beelzebub (in respect of his inordinately long post):

    “Clark/Jon: More than I intended. Last paragraph and link are all that are necessary to contradict my biblical friend’s snark re a John Goss post. Please delete the rest if you see this.”
    ___________________

    What a relief to see that there is at least one other poster as inept as I am when it comes to manipulating computers and using a blog! :)

    *******************

    “Life is getting better, life is getting merrier” (J.Stalin, ca. 1932)

  269. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    24 Jan, 2014 - 12:27 pm

    “..“there is a report in the State Department files that names Kuhn, Loeb & Co. (the long established and important financial house in New York) as the financier of the First Five Year Plan. See U. S. State Dept. Decimal File, 811.51/3711 and 861.50 FIVE YEAR PLAN/236.””..”
    ______________________

    There are, I suspect, many inaccurate reports in the archives of State and, indeed, in these of many other Foreign Ministries.

    There are reports in the FO and without doubt in various European Chancelleries which assert with confidence that Adolf Hitler was merely a German gentleman who represented no threat to peace in Europe.

    Not to mention a report from our host Craig, written while en poste in Warsaw, that Polish emigration to the UK post-2004 would be measured in the thousands…

  270. Clark
    Thanks for that. Have you ever thought of a career as a mental health nurse? Give them a link to your contributions here and I’m sure you’ll get an invitation.

  271. Thanks Doug – good response.

  272. Syricide ‏@Syricide Jan 20
    @ShoebridgeC Check out Carter-Ruck & Co the law firm that commissioned this report – a lot of Saudi customers
    http://www.carter-ruck.com/International%20Law/Recent_Work.asp

    Charles Shoebridge
    @ShoebridgeC
    Listen (at 9.40) to eminent author of #Qatar funded #Syria abuse report. Q.Could photos be faked? A. No. Well, maybe.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03q8z45

  273. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    24 Jan, 2014 - 1:21 pm

    H – Looks like the whole piece was removed. Ok, leave it. It’s rather hard to find any reference to Schiff’s activities other than on rightwing nutter sites or NWO sites. This link- http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/appendix_02.htm gives what looks like a sane assessment of Schiff/Loeb’s alleged funding of the Revolution and its aftermath. The accusation of circular citation is correct: most of the allegations seem to have been based on the observations of a White Russian general who may just have had an axe to grind. One very plausible reason for Schiff’s involvement may have been that he is on record as having believed (against Herzl et al) that there should not be a Jewish state, that Jews should remain in the nations in which they lived, and that the Bolsheviks would encourage this by ending the persecution of Russian Jews which was routine under the Tsar.

    The conclusion of the piece raises a question which may still be relevant.

  274. Good to see you “back in action”, Craig :)
    Cheers from Finland

  275. Brian

    Once again our corrupt and perverted state broadcaster is complicit in a pre-emptive media offensive by launching a dossier on torture and murder of detainees by the Assad government just before Genever II.

    How hypocritical is that? The BBC report is a disgrace!

    There would be a good dossier to be issued on torture in detention in Qatar, and the lives of slave workers there.

    The report was commissioned by the government of Qatar who commissioned latent scientologist **Carter Ruck** to do it. Qatar is an infamous suppressor of free speech.

    What is reprehensible is that the BBC are presenting the report as though it were produced by neutral experts, whereas the opposite is the case. It is produced not by anti torture campaigners or by human rights activists, but by lawyers who are doing it purely and simply because they are being paid to do it.

  276. Indeed, Mark. In his most recent article, Robert Fisk made similar points, and asked why the likes of HRW and Amnesty were not involved.

    Curveball/Caesar; tall tales and “incontrovertible” proof. The M.O. is pretty familiar by now.

  277. Those who think that the support for millitants is always due to principled knowledge have only got to look at the money bags who support slaughter.

    In the 1930′ fascists Germany’s car production of GM cars, Opel for that matter, was not compromised as much as the allies wanted to cut off Germany from its suppliers.

    Zionists have an interests to support islamic militias in the commercial aims. And those who, like Guano, think that an islamic militia has no fascists tendencies, when they are confronted daily with the excesses of religious righteousness and singleminded stubborn killing of ‘otherthinking’ are deluding themselves.

    It was easy for Guano to spread his fertile mind here, our liberal ears are open and responsive to all and sundry. How would we fear on his favourite blog, I wonder….

  278. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    24 Jan, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    ‘The report was commissioned by the government of Qatar who commissioned latent scientologist **Carter Ruck** to do it. Qatar is an infamous suppressor of free speech.’

    So is Carter Ruck. Allegedly. Which usually means the legal firm specialising in suppressing….err… allegedly…rather than its founder, Peter Carter-Ruck.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter-Ruck

  279. NGO Propaganda: Who is Behind the Massacres in Syria? Avaaz Spreads Media Disinformation

    By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
    Global Research, January 22, 2014

    Avaaz, which presents itself as an alternative media and an independent voice, is part of a corporate public relations campaign. Avaaz will report on civilian casualties in Syria without mentioning the influx of US-Saudi sponsored terrorists.

    Who is behind the atrocities in Syria?

    Avaaz will casually blame the government of Bashar Al Assad for killing civilians. It will accuse the government of using chemical weapons when the evidence amply confirms that the US-NATO-GCC supported rebels were behind the August 21st chemical weapons attacks.

    The deployment of death squads supported by the Western military alliance is never mentioned.

    Avaaz does not acknowledge that government forces are fighting a terrorist insurgency.

    Nor do they mention that the US government has direct contacts with Al Qaeda affiliated rebels.

    Avaaz calls for an opinion poll ahead of the Geneva talks.

    Avaaz calls for a ceasefire.

    /..
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/ngo-propaganda-who-is-behind-the-massacres-in-syria-avaaz-spreads-media-disinformation/5365813

    Justification for having nothing whatsoever to do with Avaaz.

  280. Nevermind

    I have often said that the Fascist tendencies of individual Muslims are excusable if they have been hung upside down, electrocuted in the private parts, beaten to pulp with cables, left in detention in a crowded cell for years.

    What’s to excuse about the Fascists tendencies of a senior political UK figure, educated to the hilt, paid to the hilt, but wants to gravy-train the Zionist anti-Islam agenda?

    You see, in my mind there is no excuse at all for priveledged people to sacrifice their principles and consciences for more, while I can excuse the control=freak mentality of those who have survived utter subjection to the tyranny of their human brothers.

    Not that you care.

  281. Mary “Avaaz does not acknowledge that government forces are fighting a terrorist insurgency.”

    The only reason there is an insurgency in Syria is because, being outside the fold of all its neighbours, Jewish, Christian or Muslim, the Alawis have remained solidly unmoved by compassion to the people that France put them in control over as a colonial power.

    The normal response to an individual who has no remorse or compassion is life encarceration, in liberal societies, or death in others. This Geneva 2 is the Assad regime’s last chance. They are arguing that no-one has the right to intervene with their rule. OK let’s just let the paedophiles and criminals take over. The international community can only restrain itself from intervention until Assad has openly proved his intransigence in an international arena.

    Kerry will be telling Obama that it’s time for war.

  282. Syria regime ‘may quit Geneva II talks’

    Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem has threatened to walk out of peace talks in Geneva just hours after they began, state media have said.

    Mr Muallem told UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi he would quit if “serious” discussions had not begun by Saturday.

    The regime and the opposition have refused to meet face-to-face and are communicating through Mr Brahimi.

    Diplomats say they are now aiming at small concessions such as local truces rather than an overall peace deal.

    Both sides blame each other for the lack of progress.

    /..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25880727

    Later in this piece, it is apparent that the BBC are still using the man in the flat above a shop in the Midlands for a situation report on Syria!

  283. “I have often said that the Fascist tendencies of individual Muslims are excusable if they have been hung upside down, electrocuted in the private parts, beaten to pulp with cables, left in detention in a crowded cell for years.”

    Thanks for explaining your personal preferences in dealing with individual Muslims who don’t confer to your ideals, I find engaging and showing the error of their ways to be far more effective in exposing their simple minds.

    “Not that you care.” Well, Guano, not in the way you care.

    @ Mary, thanks for that, AAvaz has got through to me on occasions, but I always found their petitions to be polished and failing to be to the point, vague even. I must scrutinise more…….

  284. Human Rights Council
    Twenty-second session

    Human rights situation in Palestine and other occupied Arab territories

    Report of the independent international fact-finding mission to investigate the implications of the Israeli settlements on the civil, political, economic, social and cultural rights of the Palestinian people throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem

    Summary
    The present report is submitted pursuant to resolution 19/17 in which the Human
    Rights Council decided to establish an independent international fact-finding mission to investigate the implications of the Israeli settlements on the human rights of the Palestinian people throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem.

    
The new UN report is the result of a mission investigating Israeli settlements in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

    Information gathered by the mission shows that private firms have enabled, facilitated and profited, directly and indirectly, from the construction and growth of the settlements. It identified a number of business activities that raise particular concerns about abuses of human rights. They include:

    • The supply of equipment and materials facilitating the construction of settlements and Israel’s wall in the West Bank;

    •The supply of surveillance and identification equipment for settlements, the wall and military checkpoints;

    • The supply of equipment for the demolition of housing and property, including the destruction of farms, greenhouses, olives groves and crops,;

    • The supply of security services, equipment and materials to businesses operating in settlements;

    • The provision of transport and other services to support the maintenance of settlements;

    • Banking and financial operations helping to develop, expand or maintain settlements and their activities, including loans for housing and business development;

    • The use of natural resources, in particular water and land, for business purposes;

    • Pollution, dumping and transfer of waste to Palestinian villages;

    • The way Palestinian financial and economic markets are held captive by Israel, as well as practices that disadvantage Palestinian businesses, including through restrictions on movement, and administrative and legal constraints.

    According to the new report, companies active in the settlements are fully aware that they are abusing international law and contributing to violations of human rights.

    It also states that Israel labels all its export products as originating from Israel, including those wholly or partially produced in settlements. Some companies operating in settlements have been accused of hiding the original place of production of their products.

    The mission also notes that some businesses have pulled out of settlements because it harms their image and might entail legal consequences.

    The mission urges private companies to cease operating in the settlements and calls upon all Member States to comply with their obligations under international law and to assume their responsibilities in their relationship to a State breaching peremptory norms of international law – specifically not to recognise an unlawful situation resulting from Israel’s violations.

    The report also notes that private companies must assess the human rights impact of their activities and take all necessary steps – including by terminating their business interests in the settlements – to ensure they are not adversely impacting the human rights of the Palestinian People. The Mission calls upon all Member States to take appropriate measures to ensure that business enterprises domiciled in their territory and/or under their jurisdiction, including those owned or controlled by them, that conduct activities in or related to the settlements respect human rights throughout their operations.

    http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session19/FFM/FFMSettlements.pdf

    Note item in bold.

  285. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    24 Jan, 2014 - 5:03 pm

    @ Beelzebub

    Yes, let’s leave it. I don’t know whether Schiff financed Bolsheviks or not at the beginning of the 20th century and don’t care very much either. My point was merely that Mr Goss was in error when he once confidently asserted that Schiff financed Stalin….which seems unlikely given that Stalin was hardly a leading light in the party at the time. And my larger underlying point was that Mr Goss has a tendency to play fast and loose with the facts.

    So, although you are in the flames of Hell and I am ascended unto Heaven,….peace!
    :)

  286. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    24 Jan, 2014 - 5:12 pm

    “It also states that Israel labels all its export products as originating from Israel, including those wholly or partially produced in settlements. Some companies operating in settlements have been accused of hiding the original place of production of their products.”
    ___________________

    This issue has been kicked around in EU fora for at least a decade now (in the context of the EU-Israel Association Agreement). The practice is of course in the last resort, fraudulent but although everyone knows that it goes on, the Council and Commission have never seen fit to make a public issue of it, preferring instead to to “talk about” the matter with the relevant Israeli authorities. I will leave it to your imagination how effective that has been.

  287. The Angels must be passing overhead, given this silence.

    Jiddu Krishnamurti: In Total Silence The Mind Comes Upon The Eternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7aLnJtZgyY

    Jiddu Krishnamurti – Why Are We So Separated In Society: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JNrvujpVFk

    Happy and peaceful weekend to all!

  288. The continuation of tragedy in Iraq (especially the pock-marked and genetic maelstrom, Fallujah) brings home the role of extremist religious attitudes and wars throughout history. Christian sect against sect, Islamic schisms, even Buddhist and Hindu, where focus on almost unmeasurable distinctions can lead to hysteria and mass murder for it’s own sake, leaves us with little to celebrate as members of the human race.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304027204579334790882001988?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304027204579334790882001988.html

    When Marx said religion is the opiate of the People, he forgot to suggest how they might OD.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo

  289. “I will leave it to your imagination how effective that has been.”

    Not very, is the short answer. That’s because the EU is afraid of Israel, just like most kids are afraid of the school bully.

    Is it inevitable that people stop being afraid, and speak out?

  290. Do you have these kind of MoFus in the UK as well? Un-flipping-believable.

  291. DeBlasio is the Second Coming for lib/dems, if that’s not an oxymoron, Daniel. He’s from NY so you know AIPAC has him by short hairs.

  292. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    24 Jan, 2014 - 10:34 pm

    From Nevermind to Guano:

    ““I have often said that the Fascist tendencies of individual Muslims are excusable if they have been hung upside down, electrocuted in the private parts, beaten to pulp with cables, left in detention in a crowded cell for years.”

    Thanks for explaining your personal preferences in dealing with individual Muslims who don’t confer to your ideals,..”
    ___________________

    You’ve totally misunderstood what Guano was getting at as well as the intention of the sentence you quote.

    Dummkopf!

    Und ‘mal Klappe zu!

  293. Live from Kiev and the 7th circle of hell.

    http://rt.com/on-air/ukraine-kiev-police-protesters/

  294. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    24 Jan, 2014 - 10:39 pm

    @ John Goss

    Somewhile ago you (ably) translated an unpleasant sentence in Russian from Usbstan or some similar name.

    As you’ve often spoken out for transparency and openness, would you be inclined to share with us when, where and why you took the trouble to learn Russian so well?

  295. A list of six more outrages for just one day. Imagine the hurt caused and the resentment felt if it was happening to us here.

    Israel approves more illegal settlement homes
    NEWS / Source: Al Jazeera / Thursday, 23rd January, 2014
    Government approves 381 new homes near Ramallah, bringing to 2,530 the number of new homes signed off this year.

    Israeli settlers uproot, steal 800 olive trees near Ramallah
    NEWS / Source: IMEMC / Thursday, 23rd January, 2014
    A group of Israeli settlers on Wednesday uprooted 800 olive saplings planted by Palestinian farmers in the village of Sinjel.

    PA ministry condemns Israeli attack on Al-Quds campus
    NEWS / Source: Ma’an News / Thursday, 23rd January, 2014
    The Palestinian Ministry of Higher Education on strongly condemned an Israeli raid on Al-Quds University campus in Abu Dis.

    Samer al-Issawi’s Home Raided
    NEWS / Source: IMEMC / Thursday, 23rd January, 2014
    An Israeli force raided former prisoner Samer al-Issawi’s home in the Issawiyeh District of occupied east Jerusalem, local media said.

    Israeli airstrike kills 2 Palestinians in Gaza
    NEWS / Source: Ma’an News / Thursday, 23rd January, 2014
    An Israeli airstrike killed two Palestinians in the northern Gaza Strip including one accused by Israel of ordering rocket attacks.

    http://www.foa.org.uk/

  296. Why the secrecy? Do they know that the people are getting what’s going on?

    De Blasio, in Private Speech to Aipac, Stresses Commitment to Israel
    By KATE TAYLOR
    JAN. 24, 2014

    Mayor Bill de Blasio gave an unannounced speech at a gala of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the leading pro-Israel lobby group, in Midtown Manhattan on Thursday night, assuring its members that “part of my job description is to be a defender of Israel.”

    The appearance at the New York Hilton was not listed on the mayor’s public schedule, and a reporter who tried to attend was escorted away by security.

    The seemingly secretive nature of the mayor’s appearance led to questions on Friday about the transparency of Mr. de Blasio’s young administration, especially given the mayor’s repeated pledges during last year’s campaign to oversee a more open and inclusive City Hall than his predecessor, Michael R. Bloomberg.

    Mr. de Blasio, facing sharp inquiries from reporters on Friday, offered a measured mea culpa, saying he would urge aides to be more careful to inform the public about his whereabouts.

    “We do owe you a clear understanding of where I am and what I’m doing,” the mayor said at a news conference in the Blue Room at City Hall.

    The mayor noted that the organizers of the event, held at a Midtown hotel, had requested that no journalists be allowed to attend. He said that, “in many cases,” he would make his remarks available to the public in instances where the press was not given access.

    /..
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/25/nyregion/de-blasio-in-private-speech-to-aipac-stresses-commitment-to-israel.html?_r=0

    Last time I saw him, he was red in the face shovelling snow. Heart attack imminent I thought if he didn’t watch it.

  297. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    24 Jan, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    MARY, at 16h28, mentioned the UN Human Rights Council in a favorable way, presumably because it is dealing with a report condemning Israel for various misdemeanors.

    I wonder if MARY would agree with me that the credibility of this Human Rights Council would be greatly enhanced if it did not include, as present members, the following bastions of human rights and freedoms and good governance:

    Algeria
    China
    Congo
    Cuba
    Kazakhstan
    Kuwait
    Morocco
    Pakistan
    Russian Federation
    Saudi Arabia
    FYRPM
    United Arab Emirates ?

  298. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    24 Jan, 2014 - 11:10 pm

    (Ghoulishly) charming as ever, Mary writes the following about Mayor Bill de Blasio

    “Last time I saw him, he was red in the face shovelling snow. Heart attack imminent I thought if he didn’t watch it.”

    _________________________

    I can think of some one else who’s in line for a heart attack if she keeps shovelling her anti-Israel obsession onto every single thread so unremittingly. The only question would be : death through paroxysms of rage or grief?

  299. There is a silver lining in every cloud.

    I used to live near John Milton’s cottage in Chalfont St Giles. He went there to escape the plague.

    John Milton coined the phrase ‘silver lining’ in Comus: A Mask Presented at Ludlow Castle, 1634

    ‘I see ye visibly, and now believe
    That he, the Supreme Good, to whom all things ill
    Are but as slavish officers of vengeance,
    Would send a glistering guardian, if need were
    To keep my life and honour unassailed.
    Was I deceived, or did a sable cloud
    Turn forth her silver lining on the night?
    I did not err; there does a sable cloud
    Turn forth her silver lining on the night,
    And casts a gleam over this tufted grove.’

  300. Hold on to your hats, again. The smoke is clearing from the mirror.

    Emerging-Market Slide Deepens
    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303448204579340480156732234

    ‘A slide in emerging-market currencies, bonds and stocks broadened Friday, stoking investors’ fears that a pullback from these countries was just getting started and would hit strong and weak economies alike.

    This week’s drop in emerging-market assets hasn’t matched the full-blown panic selling of last summer. But it is being guided by a growing conviction among investors that a shift in global growth—driven by developed, rather than developing, countries—will pull down all emerging markets, from the most vulnerable economies such as Turkey to sturdier economies like Mexico.’

  301. Histrionic voices from China Mary. They may be on the verge of another meltdown such as that from the US in 2008.
    Some correction on currency being rumored. These things usually are done on weekends, so if you have cash in the bank you might want to pull out. I hope I am not being unduly negative, but I have squirreled some cash like nuts in the winter :)

  302. “Halt doch mal die Klappe, Du…” In case you’re traveling abroad and are in need of proper Germanic phrases.

    Anata wa hontou ni yapari baka desuyo!

  303. @ Ben,

    Too many elected officials with their hands tied behind their backs and their balls squeezed by Zionists/Dual Israel Firsters.

    The Difference Between Judaism and Zionism.

    But AIPAC’s loosing ground: Top Israel Lobby Group Loses Battle on Iran, But War Not Over, BDS’ gaining traction, so there’s a sliver of hope.

  304. BrianFujisan

    25 Jan, 2014 - 1:01 am

    Just to Repeat…Guano –

    “I’ve a mind to add BrianFujisan to my list of trolls for this idiotic comment above: “f free and fair elections were held tomorrow in Syria ……President Assad would likely win.”

    AFTER the word ‘win’ above, THE REST READS –

    This is the result of the ethnic and religious minorities in Syria that have rallied behind President Assad, since they’ve witnessed the consistent religious sectarian atrocities committed by the U.S.-backed rebels (which the U.S. media loves to ignore or minimize).
    Assad would probably win an election since there is also simply no one else on the government side or the opposition side with his name recognition or popularity. The U.S.-backed rebel war in Syria has vastly strengthened Assad’s political hand, but you wouldn’t know it from the Western, anti-Syrian media.
    Demanding Assad’s ouster also does not reflect the situation on the ground. The U.S.-backed rebels have never controlled more than one Syrian city, namely Raqaa, which is dominated by al-Qaeda and is governed under a Taliban-style interpretation of Islamic law, which includes a strict ban on music. Thus, the rebels don’t have the ground power that would even enable them to make the demand that “Assad must go

    Guano…out of respect for Jon, and Craig i’m not going into a war of words…. But Shame on you, for calling Nevermind a Troll, then trying to back it up…i have actually met Nevermind and his Lovely Wife, thoroughly Decent People.

  305. June 15, 2013

    “Deutsche Bank, 60 times Over-Leveraged and a $72 trillion Derivative Exposure”

    https://alternativeeconomics.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/deutsche-bank-60-times-over-leveraged-and-a-72-trillion-derivative-exposure/

    January 19, 2014

    “German watchdog plans to step up FX probe at Deutsche: report”

    http://wkzo.com/news/articles/2014/jan/19/german-watchdog-plans-to-step-up-fx-probe-at-deutsche-report/

    Jan. 20, 2014, 5:53 a.m. EST

    “Deutsche Bank latest to count the cost of bank probes
    Posts €1 billion loss after taking charge for legal costs”

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/europes-big-banks-count-the-cost-of-probes-2014-01-14

  306. “The Missing TRILLIONS: Where The RICH & MIGHTY Hide The CASH. Tax Havens EXPOSED”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd2QVvWc6Nw

  307. BrianFujisan

    25 Jan, 2014 - 2:10 am

    A couple of Sections from a piece by Ajamu Baraka For Global research.

    That is why commitment to regime change, rather than to a peace based on Syrian realities and the needs of the Syrian people, is the price of admission to this week’s conference in Montreux, Switzerland. It is a conference that it would be more accurate to call a ‘war conference’ rather than a ‘peace conference’ due to U.S. Secretary of State Kerry’s insistence on keeping the scope of the agenda confined to the terms of the Geneva I communique, which calls for a political transition in Syria.

    “On January 16, Kerry restated the U.S. position on Geneva 2. ”It is about establishing a process essential to the formation of a transition government body — governing body — with full executive powers established by mutual consent,” he told reporters.

    The consent of whom? Who assumes power and will a new government represent the aspirations for democracy, civil liberties, workers’ rights, respect for religious and community difference that the “revolution” promised or is Syrian’s future already written from the Libyan experience?

    There are now voices inside and outside the Administration saying that the U.S. should abandon the Syrian National Coalition and work instead with the Salafi-Wahhabi fundamentalists who have joined together under the umbrella of the Islamic Front (IF) and are being presented as the “moderate” alternative to the radicalism of al-Qaeda. However, the Syrian people, who have a history of secularism and respect for different religions, have not signed on to a post-Assad society and government ruled by a group that has publically stated its opposition to democracy and intention to establish an Islamic state under Sharia law.

    But who cares what the Syrian people want? It does not seem to matter to the U.S. that supporting Salafi-Wahhabi fundamentalism is the antithesis of the justification it gave for supporting the “revolution” against al-Assad. It does not matter because in the end the interests of the Syrian people are of little concern to these policymakers who prioritize U.S. imperialist interests above every other consideration.

    In the long annuls of crimes by U.S. and Western imperialism, the slow, protracted destruction of the Syrian state, including the tens of thousands of lives sacrificed, is starting to emerge as one of its most significant crimes. It can be listed with crimes like the Christmas season carpet bombing of North Vietnam in 1972 and the millions murdered in Iraq during the period of sanctions and full-blown military attack.”

    More from this piece @

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/geneva-ii-us-orwellian-subterfuge-al-qaeda-acts-as-americas-boots-on-the-ground-in-syria/5366145

  308. Nevermind

    ‘exposing their simple minds’

    Exactly right they have simple minds that see through the Liberal froth of the West. Brian Fujisan again blows my simple mind by referring to democratic numbers in relation to Syria. Whatever has democracy got to do with a tyrant? Do you think the democracy of Iraq has been an improvement on the autocracy of CIAddam?

    Assad forces regularly pulled people out of their homes and murdered them or carted them off for torture. Every protest was genocidally put down. It is absolute and complete Islamophobic wishful thinking to imagine that the Syrian people would ever vote for him.

    Or, as they say in liberal circles, the next government of Syria are going to be Muslim – Get over it.

  309. BrianFujisan

    25 Jan, 2014 - 6:21 am

    Just for the fkn record… when i met Nevermind and his Wife…i was wearing middle East type head gear…..A chief Joseph t shirt… and open shirt Sporting Japan Embroidery… and yet Nevermind and his wife, were, within a short time ( half hour )..offering me a bed… if i’m down south…But that’s Real people for ya.

  310. BrianFujisan

    25 Jan, 2014 - 6:49 am

    Who are the Real War Criminals?

    The underlying intent of this latest propaganda dribble is to present the Syrian government as a criminal entity while at the same time whitewashing the real war criminals, those who have committed extensive war crimes against the Syrian people.

    Western governments and their allies –including the US, Britain, France, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar– have blood on their hands. They are directly responsible for triggering a humanitarian disaster. This is a war of aggression using terrorism as a diabolical instrument of conquest.

    Western Handlers of Al Qaeda are War Criminals

    We are dealing with staged intelligence ops: The atrocities committed by the various Al Qaeda terrorist entities integrated by foreign mercenary forces were ordered by their Western handlers who share full responsibility for these horrendous crimes.

    In a twisted logic, the crimes directly ordered by Western military alliance are casually blamed on the government of Bashar Al Assad. The victims of war are blamed for the crimes committed by the aggressor nations.

    The Al Qaeda rebels are paid killers, they follow orders, they are trained by Western, Saudi and Qatari special forces. They are sent in as part of an intelligence operation. Those responsible for these horrendous crimes are the heads of State and heads of government of NATO and GCC member states.

    The Western military alliance is pressuring Syria to surrender and accept “regime change”. If these conditions are not met, they threaten to send in more terrorists.

  311. plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…….

    ‘The usual refrain is that Westminster cannot make RBS and Lloyds do things differently because, in order to survive, these banks need to behave like other competitors: generating as much profit and paying their staff as much.

    This argument may be right if the existing business model of British banks and other financial companies is fine. But it is not. It is a business model that has caused the biggest financial crisis in 70 years and created imbalances and inequalities that threaten the future viability of the British economy. The fact that the political class, including Miliband himself, cannot even imagine state-owned banks ditching such a model is a testimony to the power of the financial industry lobby.

    From the day when RBS and Lloyds were bailed out, the Labour government was at pains to emphasise it would run them along the same lines as before nationalisation. The only thing for which Labour and, subsequently, the coalition government have used the government’s dominant shareholding position has been to restrain bonuses. But this is really missing the point.

    The problem with bonuses in the financial industry is not about their levels – if someone makes a huge contribution to the economy, he or she should be richly rewarded. The main problem is that these bonuses are given to people for doing the wrong things well – things that harm the economy in order to enrich the shareholders, the top managers of banks and other financial firms.’
    [..]

    ‘Unfortunately, few regulations have been introduced since the crisis that have materially changed the goals of financial companies. The result has been “business as usual”.

    All those complex and risky financial products that were at the centre of the 2008 financial crisis – such as mortgage-backed securities, collateralised debt obligations, credit default swaps and other financial derivatives – are back in vogue again.

    The credit rating agencies, whose incompetence and cynicism in rating those financial products has become legendary after the crisis, are still operating in the same way.

    Thanks to Help to Buy, the mortgage-lending market is nearly back to its old self. Now you can get loans that are 95% equal to the value of the house – not quite the 125% you could get before the crisis, but nearly there.’

    The Banking Industry’s Biggest Problem isn’t Bonuses or Market Share
    Ha-Joon Chang
    The Guardian, January 21, 2013
    http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/the-banking-industrys-biggest-problem-isnt-bonuses-or-market-share

  312. BrianFujisan

    25 Jan, 2014 - 6:53 am

    Jon / Craig Alcanon’s 5 mins edit time is a brilliant idea….

    COS…i forgot a link –

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-who-are-the-real-war-criminals/5366179

  313. Well said Brian for both of your earlier posts. But why were you awake?

  314. Now here’s a job opportunity for someone in these financially straitened times.

    Palace Seeks Housekeeper To Run Baths
    The Royal Household has put out an advert for a “meticulous” new member of staff to join its team at Buckingham Palace.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1200754/palace-seeks-housekeeper-to-run-baths

    Well someone’s got to do it. You can’t expect them to turn the taps.

  315. Try getting HSBC to hand over your own money! Who do they think they are? They have probably got the wind up ever since they were done for money laundering in the US.

    HSBC imposes restrictions on large cash withdrawals http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25861717

    At the bottom of that page is this little snipper about BLiar’s pal Jamie Dimon (Diamond?)

    Jamie Dimon, the chairman and chief executive of the banking giant JP Morgan, saw his pay increase to $20m (£12.1m) for 2013, according to the company

  316. What is a snipper? Snippet!

  317. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    25 Jan, 2014 - 8:42 am

    @ Mary

    “At the bottom of that page is this little snipper about BLiar’s pal Jamie Dimon (Diamond?)”
    ______________________

    I suppose that the “(Diamond?)” is your courageous way of hinting that he’s Jewish?

    And then various Eminences deny that there is a nasty undercurrent of anti-semitism on this blog……

    PS – his parents were Greek (Greek Orthodox, to reassure you)

    ***************

    “Life is getting better, life is getting merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1932)

  318. Further Allegations of US War Crimes in Fallujah
    by Felicity Arbuthnot / January 24th, 2014

    The United States Marine Corps … its hallowed rituals, and its unbending code of honor…

    — Thomas E. Ricks, Making the Corps, 1997

    As the US-unleashed Grim Reaper continues to cull Iraqis in ever rising numbers, this month of the 23rd anniversary of the 1991 US-led onslaught on Iraq and just weeks away from the 11th woeful wake for the 2003 illegal invasion, yet another atrocity in a litany of those under the illegal US-UK occupation has come to light.

    Fallujah, now under attack from US installed tyrant Nuri al Maliki’s sectarian militia, armed with US supplied weapons, with the US also “… looking to provide additional shipments of Hellfire missiles to Iraq … as well as ten Scan Eagle drones and forty eight Raven drones” (Guardian, January 7, 2014), now another previously unreported US war crime of the myriad heaped on the city in 2004, also returns to haunt them.

    The Americans invaded, chillingly “house to house, room to room”, raining death and destruction on the proud, ancient “City of Mosques.”

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/01/further-allegations-of-us-war-crimes-in-fallujah/

    Terrible. These atrocities were and still are ongoing as Kerry strode the corridors of the Montreux Palace Hotel mouthing the word ‘peace’ before heading off to join the crooks and gangsters at Davos.

  319. Some here will not like this piece written by Philip Weiss of Mondoweiss about Jewish power in the US. I assume the author knows what he is talking about.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/liberals-like-to-deceive-themselves-about-jewish-power.html

  320. When I saw the headline, I thought that it referred to Sir John Scarlett late of MI6 and the JIC.

    No. It’s the Oxfam/Sodastream supporter, actress Scarlett Johansson. Her agent had better extricate her from the mess before her career follows the same path as the Sodastream share price.

    Scarlett and Oxfam chat over Palestinian land loss
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/scarlett-oxfam-palestinian.html

    ~~~

    The spooky Scarlett is now on the board of Murdoch’s Times. That fits.

  321. “Assad forces regularly pulled people out of their homes and murdered them or carted them off for torture. Every protest was genocidally put down. It is absolute and complete Islamophobic wishful thinking to imagine that the Syrian people would ever vote for him.”

    Yet in 2010 the life expectancy of someone born in Syria was considerably better than someone born in Glasgow. The literacy rate over 90% compared to 3% in Qatar. The hard line treatment of fanatical extremists brought security for the average man in the street. Our support of fanatical extremists in Syria has brought death and destruction.

    As in Iraq, which had never seen a suicide bombing prior to 2003 yet now ordinary people are being murdered daily and have been for over 10 years, I think the ordinary man in the street would prefer the security of a dictator than the misery of a democracy imposed on them by the West.

  322. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!, 24 Jan, 2014 – 10:39 pm

    “@ John Goss

    Somewhile ago you (ably) translated an unpleasant sentence in Russian from Usbstan or some similar name.

    As you’ve often spoken out for transparency and openness, would you be inclined to share with us when, where and why you took the trouble to learn Russian so well?”

    No!

    But I’ll share my open letter to David Cameron with you, because while Craig’s post mentions atrocities in Syria, there are atrocities closer to home which need attention. I have stopped being polite when I write to the Prime Minister because I just get a standard response.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2014/01/24/free-shaker-aamer-from-gitmo-an-open-letter-to-british-pm-david-cameron/

  323. Fred

    Cameron’s UK snipers started this Syrian civil war. A million protesters went to London to warn Blair what would happen when he took the lid off Saddam’s repression. Cameron avoided that and posed as a man of peace in the vote on the US bombing Assad.

    It’s like the tax system, they charge you 20% on your earnings and 20% on your spending, 20% of your income on transport and 20% of what’s left on housing. They oppress you when they put in the dictator, then they oppress you when they take him out again.

    Is it any wonder that the people are scrapping with eachother in the world?

  324. Fudgebrains

    Assad is one of those disbelievers who refuse, like the Japanese in WW2 to relinquish power without being forced by ruthless, excessive brutal opposition. After being forced into submission they became the greatest brains on earth and a bye-word for politeness.

    It takes a lot of single-minded resolution to get rid of people like these.

  325. Resident Dissident

    25 Jan, 2014 - 2:04 pm

    “I think the ordinary man in the street would prefer the security of a dictator than the misery of a democracy imposed on them by the West.”

    The ordinary man in Syria would prefer neither.

  326. “Assad is one of those disbelievers who refuse, like the Japanese in WW2 to relinquish power without being forced by ruthless, excessive brutal opposition.”

    Yup, Churchill was a lot like that as well.

  327. Similarities to Libya and Syria seen in Ukraine.

    January 24, 2014

    Libya, Syria And Now Ukraine – Color Revolution By Force

    The same forces that instigated unruly demonstrations in 2011 in Syria are now instigating such demonstrations in the Ukraine. That at least is what I am reading out of the fact that the exactly same graphics are used to train the willing-to-fight demonstrators. How else to explain the above graphics, once with Arabic and once with in Cyrillic letters?

    Accompanying the demonstrations and illegal occupations of government buildings are in both cases brutal, criminal attacks on the police and other government forces. In Syria the violence “muscle” part was done by foreign financed Jihadists while neo-nazi gangs are used in the Ukraine. The demonstrations and the attacks on the state are planned and go together. There is nothing “peaceful” in demonstrations that are only the public-relations cover for attacks on the state. But the foreign politicians and media immediately utter “concerns” and threats over completely normal government responses to them. It is a scam to justify “western” “support” for the demonstrators and to further the violence.

    The aim is “regime change” of legitimate governments by small minorities. Should the “regime” resist to that the alternative of destroying the state and the whole society is also wholeheartedly accepted.

    Several German media used of the “regime” slander for the dully elected Ukrainian government today and did some concern trolling about “peaceful demonstrators” while policemen in Kiev were doused with Molotov cocktails. It is very obvious what is going on here and the media are playing along with the politicians, militaries and secret services that are behind these “revolutions”.

    Color revolutions in the old form had become too obvious a scheme to be of further use. The concept was therefore extended to include intensive use of force and mercenaries and to support those forces from the outside with weapons, ammunition, training and other means. After Libya, where Gaddhafi forces are still fighting back, Syria was destroyed and now the Ukraine is the target. There are likely lists of other countries that shall be attacked by such means. What is really behind the Gezi-park demonstrations in Turkey and the protests in Bangkok? Are foreign powers behind these too or are they just copycat actions by local groups? How does Egypt fit in?

    And what is the best defense a legitimate government can build against and how should it react to such attacks?

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/01/libya-syria-and-now-ukraine-color-revolution-by-force.html

    Plus forum

  328. Is this the start of the end? It’s two weeks too late according to some predictions I’ve read.

    http://iacknowledge.net/hsbc-bank-on-verge-of-collapse-second-major-banking-crash-imminent/

  329. Thanks for the good links to an excellent diplomat, Someone, a man who speaks out about what he sees to be wrong, unlike so many wannabe politicians and second hand diplomats here, sunning themsleves in the light of others.

    Dummkopf!

    Und ‘mal Klappe zu!

    Fudgebrains

    I forgive you two for your personalised jibes, not that this will stop you.

    NATO is making itself unpopular to the clapping sound of some feckless spend thrift civil servants who could not care less how much taxpayers money is wasted on them and NATO. Its not just Syria that has stumped NATO, their aim and objectives have been highjacked by warmongers such as technocrat Rasmussen and piss envoy’s such as Bliar.What do they need a new headquarter for? Is the old one not spy proof enough? As long as they can carry on wiping the arse of Netanyahu and his fascists friends these NATO scribblers could not care less.
    I’m beginning to entertain the idea of letting go of the EU, its feckless commission, NATO and the open border and free trade policie. Let all these TNC’s and their brand marketeers fight for the markets and reintroduce tarifs and import taxation.

    And as a mark of respect to the new rulers of the world, BMW, now that they sorted many of the inherent technical deficiencies, should be encouraged to sell its British marque cars to Chinese off shore investors, enpowering the happy millionaires here, as well as the tax-fleeced and still slumbering British electorate with cheaper Chinese made British cars.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/construction-of-new-nato-headquarters-in-brussel-overbudget-a-944468.html

  330. Ukraine protests going global. Makes Occupy look like dilettantes.

    http://21stcenturywire.com/201…..es-go-home

  331. wherever the drones fly Margaretta D’Arcy will put her banner to. The cancer ridden peace activists, who has dared to protests against US hegemony over irish territory and their use of murderous drone’s, is festering away in an Irish jail.

    It exemplifies irish party politicians and their aims to be seen as brutal and emotionally stultified as their British counterparts.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/25/irish-president-free-margaretta-darcy

  332. When Michael D Higgins took office in 2011 we had high hopes.

    His speech -

    ‘We must seek to build together an active, inclusive citizenship; based on participation, equality, respect for all and the flowering of creativity in all its forms. A confident people is our hope, a people at ease with itself, a people that grasps the deep meaning of the proverb ‘ní neart go cur le chéile’ – our strength lies in our common weal – our social solidarity.

    Sin iad mór-théamaí na hUachtaránachta atá curtha romham agam, agus mé

    lán-dóchasach go bhfuilimid ar tháirseach ré nua d’Éirinn agus d’Éireannaigh, sa bhaile agus i gcéin. Ré nua ina mbeidh bunluacha na cothroime agus an chirt, agus spiorad na cruthaíochta, faoi bhláth: poblacht, a mbeidh Éireannaigh de gach aicme agus traidisiún bródúil aisti.

    My Presidency will be a Presidency of transformation, recognising and building on the many positive initiatives already under way in communities, in the economy, and in individual and collective efforts throughout our land. It will be a Presidency that celebrates all of our possibilities. It will seek to be of assistance and encouragement to investment and job creation, to innovation and original thinking – a Presidency of ideas – recognising and open to new paradigms of thought and action. It will aspire to turn the best of ideas into living realities for all of our people, realising our limitless possibilities – ár feidireachtaí gan teorainn.

    In implementing the mandate you have given me, I will seek to achieve an inclusive citizenship where every citizen participates and everyone is treated with respect. I will highlight and support initiatives for inclusion across Ireland and also make it a priority to visit and to support the participation of the most excluded in our society, including those in institutional care.’

    and more of the same.

    So much for fine words. I say that people are disappointing.

    http://www.president.ie/featured-posts-without-news/welcome-to-president-ie-2/

  333. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    25 Jan, 2014 - 5:07 pm

    ““Assad is one of those disbelievers who refuse, like the Japanese in WW2 to relinquish power without being forced by ruthless, excessive brutal opposition.”

    Yup, Churchill was a lot like that as well.”
    ___________________-

    Yeah, Fred, sure.

    Grow up, for Heaven’s sake.

  334. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    25 Jan, 2014 - 5:10 pm

    “The spooky Scarlett (ie, Johansson) is now on the board of Murdoch’s Times. That fits.”
    __________________

    Fits what, exactly, Mary?

    And why “spooky”? Most normal people would probably think she’s young and beautiful. You really are an old crab.

  335. You have twisted my comment by adding ie Johansson to it. My comment read:

    “The spooky Scarlett is now on the board of Murdoch’s Times. That fits.”

    and referred to the ex head of MI6 and member of the JIC, as I said and as you damn well know. Get lost and cut your crap.

  336. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    25 Jan, 2014 - 5:47 pm

    Another knee-jerk from the Resident Denigrator:

    “Try getting HSBC to hand over your own money! Who do they think they are? They have probably got the wind up ever since they were done for money laundering in the US.

    HSBC imposes restrictions on large cash withdrawals http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25861717
    _______________________

    Let me educate her.

    This is almost certainly connected with a current EU Directive, loosely known as the “Money laundering Directive”, which stipulates that transactions and purchases over a certain amount must be carried out in a way that is traceable (eg, bank transfer, bank draft, credit or debit card, cheque, etc..) and cannot be effected simply by handing over a wad of £50 or €500 notes. The Directive provides that the maximum transaction in cash from 2014 is limited to €3000. It would therefore seem logical that banks should attempt to assist the respect of this provision by limiting the amount of cash an individual can withdraw without explanantion from his bank account to that same amount.

    Readers will note that another objective of the “Money laundering Directive” – albeit an unstated objective – is to assist govts in their fight against illegal tax avoidance (both direct and indirect tax).

    I imagine that no one on this blog would support either money laundering or illegal tax avoidance.

    In conclusion, therefore, Mary’s post is an attempt to put yet another issue in the worst possible light:

    ** it does not attempt to supply relevant context

    ** and it gives the misleading impression that – quote – banks make it hard for you to get at your money. False – had the gentleman featured in the “story” Mary linked to asked his bank to transfer the £7000 to his mother’s account he would have had no trouble at all. Why didn’t he? Doesn’t his mother have a bank account?

  337. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    25 Jan, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    @ Mary

    Do you deny that you were being unpleasant about Scarlett Johansson? I quote :

    “No. It’s the Oxfam/Sodastream supporter, actress Scarlett Johansson. Her agent had better extricate her from the mess before her career follows the same path as the Sodastream share price.”
    _______________

    I assume that the above isn’t just your twisted way of expressing concern but, rather, another manifestation of your evident urge to be unpleasanr and denigratory about just about everyone.

    Here’s a deal – I’ll cut what you charmingly call the “crap” if you promise to have surgery to get your bile duct removed.

  338. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    25 Jan, 2014 - 5:59 pm

    “I forgive you two for your personalised jibes, …”
    ______________

    Thanks, Nevermind, I appreciate that.

  339. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    25 Jan, 2014 - 6:02 pm

    Habbabkuk’s question to Mr Goss

    “Somewhile ago you (ably) translated an unpleasant sentence in Russian from Usbstan or some similar name.

    As you’ve often spoken out for transparency and openness, would you be inclined to share with us when, where and why you took the trouble to learn Russian so well?”

    Mr Goss’s reply :

    “No!”

    Why so coy, I wonder?

    Would it help if I just limited my question to the “why”?

  340. For the others here. It is important to know that Oxfam are protecting Scarlett Johansson, this supporter of the Zionist construct, Israel. Sorry it is rather long but I do not have a link.

    Oxfam’s cowardly stance on Scarlett Johansson’s Israeli settlement profiteering

    Human rights defenders took some encouragement yesterday from a statement by Oxfam implicitly criticizing Hollywood star Scarlett Johansson for a multi-million dollar endorsement deal with the Israeli-occupation profiteering firm SodaStream.
    Johansson is also an “Oxfam Global Ambassador,” representing the human rights and development charity and helping it raise money around the world.

    The Oxfam statement said that it was in “dialogue” with Johannson, suggesting that action might be forthcoming.

    But yesterday, an excellent post on the growing controversy, by Robert Mackey, for The Lede blog at nytimes.com, revealed:

    A spokesman for Oxfam, Matt Herrick, told The Lede in an email on Thursday that the group had not asked Ms. Johansson to withdraw from her endorsement deal with SodaStream. Oxfam objected in 2009 when another ambassador, the American actress Kristin Davis, agreed to endorse Ahava, an Israeli cosmetics company that also has a factory in a West Bank settlement. After a wave of negative publicity, Ahava and Ms. Davis quickly parted ways.

    This is quite disturbing. Given the facts, the very least Oxfam could do is to give Johansson a clear choice: them or us. It is impossible to be an “ambassador” both for a human rights group and for human rights abusers!

    Oxfam’s earlier statement said that it had informed Johansson “that businesses that operate in settlements further the ongoing poverty and denial of rights of the Palestinian communities that we work to support.”

    Mackey’s post provides details about SodaStream’s presence in an illegal West Bank settlement, as well as providing information on the routine abuses in industrial zones in the occupied West Bank (among other sources, Mackey cites The Electronic Intifada’s report from last year “SodaStream ‘treats us like slaves,’ says Palestinian factory worker”).

    Baffling
    “Oxfam has been clear about settlements being a major barrier for peace, which makes it baffling that they would not ask their own Global Ambassador to end her support for a company based in a settlement and profiting from exploiting Palestinian land, labor, and resources,” Ramah Kudaimi of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, wrote The Electronic Intifada in an email.
    “We call again on Oxfam to hold up its values and cut ties with Scarlett,” Kudaimi added.
    The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation recently issued an action alert asking people to contact Oxfam America president Raymond Offenheiser, to urge that Oxfam “press Scarlett to end her deal with SodaStream or…end its relationship with the actress to send the message that supporting companies that profit from occupation and human rights abuses is unacceptable.”
    In the UK, the Palestine Solidarity Campaign has issued a similar call.

    Duplicity
    Oxfam’s hiding behind “dialogue” while failing to act is no different from the US-sponsored so-called “peace process” in which Palestinians are invited to engage in endless “dialogue” with Israel, while Israel continues to gobble up their land.
    Groups like Oxfam are supposed to provide a civil society alternative to such government duplicity. Instead, we see Oxfam emulating it in the most cowardly way.
    It’s time for Oxfam to act on its principles instead of just talking about them.
    I will be tweeting this post at @Oxfam and @OxfamAmerica as well as some of the key personnel who have been disseminating the “dialogue” statement online.
    These include @Winnie_Byanyima, executive director of Oxfam international, @Mark_Goldring, chief executive of Oxfam UK and @mattmherrick, director of media for Oxfam America.

    While Oxfam hides, the controversy and attention Johansson’s shameful deal with SodaStream is attracting only continues to grow.

    One Democratic State Group
    odsg.org/co

  341. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    25 Jan, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    “For the others here. It is important to know that Oxfam are protecting Scarlett Johansson, this supporter of the Zionist construct, Israel.”
    ___________________

    It’s not important at all.

    Why do YOU think it’s so important? Important for WHOM?

    *******************

    BTW, YOU HAVEN’T RESPONDED to the following post of mine yet :

    “@ Mary

    “At the bottom of that page is this little snipper about BLiar’s pal Jamie Dimon (Diamond?)”
    ______________________

    I suppose that the “(Diamond?)” is your courageous way of hinting that he’s Jewish?

    And then various Eminences deny that there is a nasty undercurrent of anti-semitism on this blog……

    PS – his parents were Greek (Greek Orthodox, to reassure you)”

    Why did you put “Diamond?” in brackets after Jamie Dimon’s name?

  342. Drone Warfare
    More than 2,400 dead as Obama’s drone campaign marks five years

    http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/

    and on the same website

    ‘An unprecedented attempt to discover if UK officials are complicit in CIA drone strikes in Pakistan has been stopped by the Court of Appeal.

    The court ruled that a case being brought by a Pakistani whose father was killed in a CIA drone strike on March 17 2011, could not go ahead as it could require an English court to pass judgements on the United States.

    The case was brought by Noor Khan whose father was a tribal elder from Pakistan’s northwestern tribal region. Khan’s father died as he led a tribal council. At least 18 other civilians were reported killed in the strike.

    For two years Noor Khan has been trying to get English courts to examine whether UK officials at GCHQ share information about targets in Pakistan with the CIA, and whether this could therefore make British spies complicit in murder or war crimes. The British government has consistently refused to confirm or deny whether it does share such intelligence.’

    Drone Warfare
    First UK legal challenge to CIA drones blocked by Court of Appeal
    http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/20/first-uk-legal-challenge-to-cia-drones-blocked-by-court-of-appeal/

  343. “Debt Rattle Jan 25 2014: A Bank Run in London?”

    http://www.theautomaticearth.com/debt-rattle-jan-25-2014-bank-run-london/

    “Bank-Run Fears Continue; HSBC Restricts Large Cash Withdrawals”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-24/bank-run-fears-continue-hsbc-restricts-large-cash-withdrawals

  344. “If and when uncertainty spreads to the dollar, the real crisis will arrive, likely followed by high inflation, exchange controls, pension confiscations, and resurrected illegality of owning gold and silver. Capitalist greed aided and abetted by economists and policymakers will have destroyed America.”

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/01/25/economists-policymakers-murdered-economy-paul-craig-roberts/

  345. This is simply about HSBC addressing money laundering and banks have always requested advance warning for cash withdrawals over £1,000. Card transactions and BACS transfers are unaffected but no; this has to be a sign that the End Times are upon us.

  346. Very few, if any, of the extreme predictions from these ‘anti-capitalist’ Global Research authors ever seem to come to fruition. One would be forgiven for thinking they are only in it for the money.

  347. Yes Anon, until it happens all the predictions are incorrect. When it does happen they suddenly gain credibility. Take a look at this.

    https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/stunnning-chart-todays-stock-market-is-eerily-reminiscent-of-1929_12042013

  348. This is Monzer Akbik mouthpiece of the Syrian Opposition, promoting the ‘Assad must go’ theme, being interviewed by Zeinab Badawi of the BBC World Service. The BBC is going its utmost to promote the removal of Assad. The 22.30 news just now on BBC1 was packed out with it.

    Monzer Akbik – Syrian National Coalition
    November 2013
    Duration: 30 minutes

    With the first formal negotiations between the Syrian government and opposition leaders, the Geneva 2 conference, planned to take place soon, Zeinab Badawi speaks to Monzer Akbik, the chief of staff to the leader of the Syrian opposition umbrella group, the Syrian National Coalition.

    The UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi has been in Damascus to meet President Assad in preparation for the talks. However, there is disarray in rebel ranks about whether they should attend the talks at all. So is the opposition scuppering the best chance to end the bloodshed in Syria?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03gq5yq

    I can remember this excruciating puff piece Badawi did with Mrs BLiar.
    There was another which I cannot find.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrqwtLd8dBo
    From the start

  349. “Yeah, Fred, sure.

    Grow up, for Heaven’s sake.”

    Hey shit for brains doesn’t think the British bulldog “we’ll fight them on the beaches” spirit becoming of people of colour.

    BTW, were your parents very closely related?

  350. BrianFujisan

    First, let me apologise for my disgusting remarks earlier, but feelings are running very high about Assad when diplomats are threatening to keep Assad in place. Please forgive me.

    We all know that the present atrocities committed by AlQaida in Syria are part of a continuum of the relationship between the pro-Zionist West and political Islam: The destruction of the Ottoman caliphate and the release of land to the state of Israel, the British/Zionist foundation of the Muslim Brotherhood, the spread of MB political strategy, the coalition of AlQaida and the West against the Soviet Union, and the false-flag operation of 9/11 and the War on Terror and Arab Spring are the main landmarks.

    The basis of this evolving process is a false religious doctrine which is specifically forbidden in the Qur’an: 1/ Joining politically with the Jews and Christians. 2/ Creating divisions and suspicions between Muslims. 3/ Trying to disguise the political friendship between political Islam and the West by trying to conflate individual questioning of the policy with spying, so that the leaders can keep their haram alliances under wraps.

    There is an essay by Aiman Al Zawahiri on Spying, which gathers this Muslim Brotherhood offshoot sect’s main components from which I quote:
    “We would not be exaggerating if we said that the frontline of the Crusader’s campaign, which is carried out by the US and its allies against the Muslims and their lands, is the spying networks in all its types, shapes, and forms. These networks are the basic resource that the enemy relies on for its small and large military operations. The spying networks are their eyes to see the hidden things that they cannot see and are their hands that are still extending inside the houses, in the forests, up the mountains, into the valleys, and inside the dark caves in order to catch a target that their developed technology was not able to reach. The spies arethe brigades, the soldiers, and they are present and absent at the same time. They were sent to penetrate the ranks of the Muslims generally, and the mujahidin specifically, and spread all over the lands like locusts.
    “Although the spies are busy day and night carrying out their duties in an organized and secret manner and taking directions, even orders like soldiers, still you never feel their presence. You can see their influence like killing, destroying, imprisoning, and tracking,but you do not see them. They are like Satan and his followers; they see us but we can never see them. How many heroic leaders have been kidnapped at their hands? How many houses have been destroyed by planes that do not know anything except the information and the directions of the spies? How many major mujahid were surprised to be imprisoned or traced? ‘Even the military and financial supply roads of the mujahidin, which are far from the enemy’s surveillance, were found by the spies. They even reported the mujahidin’s movements, times, number, and equipment.
    “The danger of these brigades is not limited to their ability to penetrate the people, but it exceeded that to reach the variety of nationalities, types, and descriptions of these hidden aggressive soldiers. They have among them old hunchbacked men who cannot even walk, strong young men, weak women inside their house, young girls, and even children who did not reach puberty yet.
    “Among those listed, the spy might be a doctor, nurse, engineer, employee, student, preacher, scholar, runner, or a taxi driver. The spy can be anyone because there is no limitation or conditions to choose a spy. He should only be able to deliver the information to the people with whom he is working.”

    What has changed since this was written is that we now know for certain that the Zionist West is bosom darling best friends of political Islam, and so we now know why we have been deluded by this coalition for so long, so that Al Qaida can assist the Zionist West supposedly against the interests of bogeyman Russia, but actually to serve the state of Israel, which controls both Russia and the West. ( and China and Australia and the rest.)

    In order to support this secrecy Al Qaida created suspicions about betrayal by fellow Muslims, which led to denouncements, Takfir, and vast intercommunal strife. The Muslims of the satellites of the former Soviet Union were sacrificed like sheep in revenge for the victories the AlQaida – NATO alliance won over them and the peoples of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Libya, and now Syria were sacrificed in exchange for the removal of the tyrants, whom the West no longer needs anyway to spy on and control the Muslims because they do it by IT and soft alliances with client states.

    Of course, as a Muslim I support my elders in their wisdom. They are accountable for the consequences of their actions. Allah is judge over them and I am not their judge. But of one thing I am certain. Zawahiri states that Hassousiya/ trying to work out what’s going on and Jassousiya/investigating and passing on information, are one and the same process.

    If I had not questioned the world around me I would not have found the truth of Islam. Islam commands us to use our intelligence. Politics in my opinion is lying, which I detest, and is forbidden in Islam. Therefore if the process of taking power from an alliance with the Zionist West confused the Muslims and non-Muslims about what Islam means and of what it consists, they may have unintentionally damaged Islam in spite of the benefits. That would be the calculation of the West/Zionists.

    There is an old Sufi saying that if I tell yiou the truth you benefit and if I lie, it makes you think harder so you benefit. Yes, the strategy of political Islam is based on Sufism, not the ways/sunnah of the prophet SAW. Neither you nor I can do much about others, but the Qur’an and Gospel tell us that what is in the heart comes out in the deeds. If you put in your heart that the Zionist West is in charge of everything, you will get the deeds which we have witnessed. There is no God but Allah means there is no power or judge or knower except God.

    Just trying to give you a logical explanation. Political Islam hates blogs like Craig Murrays at the best. In my opinion it was political Islam, conspiring with the British against their own Caliphate rulers in Turkey that got Islam into this mess. In my opinion politics is about the self and power under the empty slogans of truth and justice.

  351. The quality of debate here is utter crap.

    Ideally, there should be no question of whether Assad “stays or goes”. Rightly, that decision should belong to the people of Syria, and no one else.

    But there is Russia, and whatever criticism there is of Putin, Russia is not going to abandon its Syrian naval base, the only Russian naval base on the Mediterranean, I think. That would remain true no matter who was in power in Russia, just as the US would not abandon its base for the US Fifth Fleet in Bahrain no matter who wins elections in the US.

    So any “Good Guy / Bad Guy” argument about Putin and Assad is utterly irrelevant.

    For Russia to support free and fair elections in Syria, Russia would have to be sure that whoever got elected would permit that base to remain.

    So what to do? If the Western powers are serious about helping the people of Syria, there will need to be some sort of guarantee that the Russian base can stay. But of course the Western/NATO powers want rid of that base. Every damn Syrian can die for all the superpowers care; each side is as hypocritical as the other.

    Would it be a good thing if the West/NATO powers succeeded in ousting Russian naval power from the Mediterranean? Personally, I simply don’t know. Large shifts of power carry inherent dangers, and some sort of balance of power is generally the least bad alternative.

    There is an interesting parallel with Scottish independence here. An independent Scotland would probably tell Westminster that the nuclear submarines are no longer welcome in Faslane. Would a Westminster government be able to re-deploy those submarines somewhere on the English coast? The US would not accept UK (or rUK) nuclear disarmament.

    Disclaimer – wild speculation on my part: could the two problems be solved with a deal? Russia abandons its Mediterranean base in exchange for UK/rUK nuclear disarmament? Could this even mean that the atrocity in Syria can’t be ended until after the Scottish independence referendum?

  352. Oh, and just to save Habbabkuk the trouble, I’ll call myself a fucking idiot. I’m a fucking idiot, and everything I’ve written is the ramblings of a fucking idiot. OK?

    Now, let’s get back to discussing each other’s personalities, yes?

  353. @ Clark,

    Q: But there is Russia, and whatever criticism there is of Putin, Russia is not going to abandon its Syrian naval base, the only Russian naval base on the Mediterranean, I think.

    R: Russia has a plan B Russia’s Airbase Requests in Cyprus Causes Conflict with U.S., because Russia Sending Permanent Warship Fleet To Mediterranean and Russia to create Mediterranean fleet to protect Syria.

    According to HUMINT the naval base in Tartus has not been ‘left to rot,’ although some news outlets did run that kind of stories.

    Someone who has watched ‘Behind Closed Doors’ is in no way a historical [WWII] expert.

  354. It seems common sense can be found amongst all the destructive emotions which accumilate in the western hemisphere.

    “Politics is lying” and the truth and sensibilities are suppressed.

    @Guano
    What is your opinion on the Syrian diplomats opening speech at the recent gathering, a speech which I beleive has been suppressed?

    The eyes can see but the mind is blind!

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/

  355. Bashar Jafari says suggestions that discussions will include talking about President Assad’s future are “a big lie”

    Syria talks: Assad’s future not on agenda, says Jafari25 January 2014 Last updated at 12:16 GMT

    Syria’s opposition and government have met face to face in Geneva for talks aimed at “saving Syria”.

    Syria’s Ambassador to the UN, Bashar Jafari – part of the government delegation – told the BBC’s Lina Sinjab that his priority was “putting an end to the terrorism and the violence”.

    He said that President Bashar al-Assad’s future was not up for discussion.

    Including short video http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25893408

  356. Thought I should reprint this from the Medialens editors -

    Indented/quoted

    ‘Blair on killing as a ‘perversion of faith’
    Posted by The Editors on January 26, 2014, 8:25 am

    Blair, writing in the Observer, argues that “there is one thing self-evidently in common: the acts of terrorism are perpetrated by people motivated by an abuse of religion. It is a perversion of faith.”

    http://tinyurl.com/obg8gyx

    Says Blair, the illegal war-fighting, mass-murdering ‘Christian’.

    DE

  357. As is said. Where is the tipping point?

    So far there is no equilibrium. Isn’t justice waiting for Tony Blair and other administrators of illegal wars in Malaysia?

  358. Jay

    As I said previously, that introductory was equivalent to a paedophile arguing for his human rights. ‘Nobody can interfere with my completely loving abuse which isn’t harmful.’ Fat git with a brain problem. Shit happens, but fortunately there are outsiders to intervene in Syria and help the Syrians to put things right.

  359. “As I said previously, that introductory was equivalent to a paedophile arguing for his human rights. ‘Nobody can interfere with my completely loving abuse which isn’t harmful.’ Fat git with a brain problem. Shit happens, but fortunately there are outsiders to intervene in Syria and help the Syrians to put things right.”

    One of the things common to both Christianity and Islam is the story of Moses. He brought law and order to the people of Israel when they left the laws of Egypt behind. Made them civilised.

    In this world we are trying to be civilised internationally now as well, making laws all sovereign states must abide by and one of those laws is quite explicit, people from one sovereign state are not allowed to use violence to make changes to another sovereign state.

    No amount of character assassination by comparing people to paedophiles can change that or justify those who flaunt the law and hence wound civilisation.

  360. Talking about endtimes, has anyone come across this guy, Prof Guy McPherson.

    He reckons we’re heading for near term extinction in a matter of decades, that the earth is heating up on its own now which will destroy our habitat and that the erosion of industrial civilization will render us incapable of maintaining and servicing the world’s nuclear power plants.

    When you add in the economic collapse we see all around us and the proxy wars in ME and up to the Russian and Chinese borders it is certainly not unreasonable that those who present a more sanguine take on these signal events are asked to explain how they see these many crises unfolding in a more positive fashion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEGlYXumguI

  361. Mary, 25 Jan 3.01pm

    I read a very good analysis in the Asia Pacific forum of similar underlying themes in the Thailand “democracy” protests.

    Middle class rage threatens democracy:
    http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2014/01/21/middle-class-rage-threatens-democracy/

  362. “Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!”

    http://japanfocus.org/-Mark-Selden/4065

  363. Thanks form that great link, Arbed, leaves us to wait for the middle classes to realise that they have to connect with the working classes to achieve their aim of change.

    Corruption is also a massive problem here, not just in FIFA or the FA, but with the corrupt practises and sole adherence to the City’s excesses. By the end of the month Osborne might want to eat his ‘the economy is improving’ BS and regurgitate it somewhat different, i.e inflation will eat us all.

    meanwhile in a once bright and multicultural corner of Haifa its residents are faced with eviction from and the demolition of their ancestral family homes, because the fascist rulers decreed it to happen.
    The drip drip of Apartheid and racialism some here excuse.

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/israel-destroy-another-haifa-neighborhood-evict-palestinian-residents/13072

    And why is it tennable that Syrian territory, the Gholan, is being exploited by resource raiders seeking to steal its oil and gas, if that would happen here, i.e US companies invading parts of Scotland to explore and steal gas/oil, all hell would break loose.

  364. Herbie @ 26 Jan, 2014 – 11:53 am

    The prof is an engaging speaker. He describes human extinction arising inevitably from his premise of global warming as an established fact. He begins …..

    “Climate chaos is well under way, this is a series off assessments [he points to a long list on the projection screen] conducted by large organisations. As we go down the page [the list is in chronological order], the predictions becoming increasingly catastrophic are based on more data and increasingly sophisticated modelling ….”

    Everything he then goes on to say over the next hour follows from that opening statement.

    His premise may well be true, but I and many others are not convinced it is an established fact. If he had begun with “If it is the case that climate chaos is well under way ….”, I would have no problem with his lecture, but by denying the existence of another viewpoint, he shows blinkered vision. In fact his choice of words throughout seemed designed to defy the sceptics, for example he describes the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as “among the most conservative scientific bodies on the planet.” You might as well claim that Christianity is the only true religion and expect no dissenters.

    Which ever side of the fence you stand, or even if you’re sitting on it like me, the prudent course is for mankind to get its act together and live sustainably. There are, however, a few who would put short term greed before prudence. McPherson pretending the fence is all-encompassing makes it easy for
    those people to ignore the warning alarms.

  365. Hi A Node

    I’m not sure what the other viewpoint is. We’ve been living a big lie for ages now and we continue day and daily to live the lie of growth.

    Politicians, Corporations and mainstream media talk on and on about growth at the same time as they acknowledge the problems for climate. These two positions are clearly incompatible, but it doesn’t seem to bother them much, so they’re clearly deluded and deluding everyone else, apart from those who look at the dataset.

    It’s a bit like the public myths that Chomsky exposes when he explains what the official record has to say.

    Anyway, here’s Prof Al Bartlett explaining, in simple terms, other of the public illusions we’ve created for ourselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8ZJCtL6bPs

    Prof Guy McPherson lives sustainably and has done for some years now. His fallout with his university began when he asked that they implement more eco-friendly measures on campus. They paid lip service to such issues but refused the implications of them. You see. There it is again. Saying one thing but doing another. We’re all doing that now and on a massive scale.

    The point is that neither mainstream media nor politicians etc have the faintest strategic idea for dealing with any of the big issues facing us. They plough their own narrow little furrows paying no attention to the bigger picture, so we shouldn’t expect that the crises facing us will be telegraphed to all and sundry.

  366. The killing continues.

    Israeli troops shoot dead Palestinian in north Gaza

    Israeli forces have shot dead a Palestinian man and wounded another in a cross-border incident in the north of the Gaza Strip.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25887076

  367. Herbie

    You point out that ever-increasing growth is incompatible with sustainability. I agree, of course, and I also agree with the implication that we should therefore adapt our lifestyles accordingly.
    The question is whether we have yet reached a point where human behaviour is significantly affecting the climate, or whether our influence is dwarfed by natural climate cycles. There is legitimate cause for debate on this matter, and you and the prof declaring that the argument’s over doesn’t make it so.

    Here’s just one reason why the question is important: If we take Guy McPherson at his word, humans have set the climate on an irreversible course and it is too late to change our ways, we are doomed regardless, so we might as well continue on our profligate way, fiddling while Rome burns.

    I agree we need to urgently address humanity’s place in the global ecology, but I think oversimplifying the issues is counter-productive.

  368. Fred
    Use the cat flap please.

  369. “Prof Guy McPherson lives sustainably and has done for some years now. His fallout with his university began when he asked that they implement more eco-friendly measures on campus. They paid lip service to such issues but refused the implications of them.”

    Well said Herbie and A Node, the global equilibrium has been very disturbed to find that their unemployment is going down, but their output and productivity has not, schocks, no growth? what calamity for these annuity addicts who can’t live without their annual appanage.

    The same situation exists at the ever expanding and unsustainable UEA, who’s env. school has provided many a blueprint for sustainable living to the world over the years. Its Tyndal centre is wholly unsustainable they don’t even measure their own ecological footprints within the different faculties.

    UEA is surrounded by three massive schools and twice daily the whole area is in deep traffic doodoo, UEA needs more than buses and cycles, its car park is bursting with cars from staff and students.
    UEA’s recycling policy is quaint and outsourced when this money should be returned and aid students. The student union is run like a businerss now and it has some 6 million profits at anyone time, not that this has much improved their Waterfront venue, only the student bars on campus get regular makeovers to the tune of hundreds of thousands.

    all in all, could do as they say others should do. UEA is not working up to its motto ‘Doing different’!

  370. “A rich man, a middle class man and a poor man beside a plate of 10 biscuits.

    The rich man takes 9 of the biscuits, and says to the middle class man “look, that poor guy is trying to take all of your biscuit”.

  371. “20. Liam Fox – Former Conservative MP – became shadow health secretary in 1999 – employs Adam Werrity as a paid intern in 2004 – by this time Adam Werrity becomes a director of health consultancy firm ‘UK Health Ltd’ (now dissolved), while Liam Fox was shadow health secretary of which he and Liam Fox were shareholders. Werrity owned 11.5% of UK Health Group and Fox owned 2.3%. In 2005 a researcher based in Mr Fox’s office worked ‘exclusively’ for the now closed Atlantic Bridge ‘charity’, which Liam Fox was the founding member; Mr Werrity became director, and which had links to radical right-wing neocons in the U.S. The researcher received funding from Pfizer Inc. He claimed ‘she has no function in any health role.’ The researcher was Gabby Bertin, who is now David Cameron’s press secretary. Received £5,000 to run his private office in October 2012 from investment company IPGL limited, who purchased healthcare pharma”

    http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk/p/mps-with-or-had-financial-links-to.html

  372. January is a favourite month for booking holidays so here some suggestions.

    Why PEACE TALKS ARE GOOD for Apartheid Adventures – Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEOpL7CerIs&feature=youtu.be

    Some background on the tour company.

    http://apartheidadventures.com/tours/HOME.html

    Afterwards, if you click on “See what we have to offer” and you have a choice of more Apartheid Tours videos.

  373. A Node

    I understand your point, but still I find McPherson’s argument and data quite compelling. There doesn’t seem to be anyone seriously challenging his argument, and how could they. He’s just presenting the official data, the public record, much as Chomsky does.

    They bring it together in one place so that people can see the big picture, and funnily enough that big picture is at variance with what is deemed to be publicly understood, through media and so on.

    I think a good rule of thumb is, if media are pushing it, it’s probably bullshit and fairy tales.

    Anyway, McPherson goes into much more depth here:

    http://www.carolynbaker.net/2013/11/25/video-guy-mcphersons-climate-change-presentation-depauw-university-indiana-october-2013/

    He says that the movers and shakers know all this stuff. Why wouldn’t they. It’s on the public record.

    If you were a mover and a shaker and knew all this stuff, what would you do?

    I suppose some might just decide to have the greatest party ever…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbBYzuxyNuk

  374. BrianFujisan

    26 Jan, 2014 - 8:27 pm

    Having Read many times, and with ongoing terrorist butchery in Syria… The Russians are taking the lead at G2..why should anyone be talking to the evil terrorists committing horrendous acts in Syria -

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov at G2 conference, stated that no talks will take place with terrorists in Syria. Meanwhile, “We refuse to have talks and do not recommend other parties to hold talks with them over principled considerations,” Lavrov said in an interview with Russia’s NTV on Sunday
    .
    The minister noted that Jebhat an-Nusra, the Islamic state of Iraq and Levant, and other Al-Qaeda branches cannot be involved in the peace process while militants “rampage and commit terrorist acts [in Syria].”

    Lavrov has expressed doubts about including the recently established Syrian Islamic Front – a Sunni Muslim organization of Islamist rebel groups fighting against the Assad government – in the peace process.

    The Islamic Front includes organizations that were directly involved in a massacre that killed at least 32 civilians in Adra, Lavrov said, and ”some or another structure can hardly be imagined to be a partner in peace talks.”
    “Militants are flowing like communicating vessels between the Islamic Front, Javhat al-Nusra, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant – they go to where more money is paid,” Lavrov said….more on this @ -

    http://rt.com/news/syria-talks-lavrov-terrorists-219/

  375. Fred makes a point about arguing for human rights. If it is a human right then it exists without the need to present a case other than to prove you are human. However abhorrent the behaviour, to suggest that human rights do not apply devalues the currency. If you want to start calling people beasts, whether it may be war criminals, sex offenders or people you just don’t like, do not debase what we have by importing your own value judgments. JM

  376. “Fred makes a point about arguing for human rights.”

    Actually I didn’t, I was quoting another poster.

    My point was about rule of law.

    I agree with you entirely.

  377. Thanks Guano for your response.

    How will these changes likely to transcend the Syrian people in terms of jobs, education, land ownership.
    What will happen to Syria’s resources.

    Where does the money go at present. Into government?

    Who’s looking at the accounts…. It’s government run.

  378. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer interviews Syrian senior adviser to President Assad, Bouthaina Shaaban

    http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/01/25/401930cnns-blitzer-interviews-syrian-senior-adviser-to-president-assad-bouthaina-shaaban/

    ‘You have to be in Syria to know who’s doing what. One can’t be in Washington [like] Christiane Amanpour or in New York and then decide who is doing what. Remember the chemical [attacks]? Massachusetts [MIT] has announced the study that all that has been circulated about the chemical [attacks] was absolutely unfounded about the Syrian government. We have to acknowledge that there is a huge campaign against the Syrian Government for the last three years, and the aim is not the Syrian Government, the aim is the destruction of Syria, the destruction of the Syrian people for only the benefit of Israel. That is the true story that is happening in Syria.’

    Watch the full interview.

    ~~~~~

    Ms Shaaban was also interviewed by the BBC but for balance, they had an American woman, Ms Ratif Jouejati ‘shilling’ for the Syrian National Coalition. ie the Saudi and Qatari funded rebel rabble.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25883729

    I see Ms Jouejati is very keen on ‘Waging Non-Violence’. http://wagingnonviolence.org/?s=jouejati No irony.

  379. Fred… @ 11;44

    Some more on the international Laws you were Referring to -

    War Crimes in Libya and Terrorism in Syria : Open letter to David Cameron -

    Dear Mr. Prime Minister,

    After the involvement of the United Kingdom as part of the FUKUS-Axis (France, UK, US, Israel) in the travesty of international law (*), the murderous terrorist attack on the people of the Libyan Jamahiriya and after similar involvement in terrorist activities in Syria, there are certain questions that the members of the international community deserve to ask and to which we consider we deserve a reply, unless, of course, you think that is your prerogative to ride roughshod over international law, break norms of diplomacy and act like a boorish, arrogant, pig-headed brat and remain unaccountable.

    That not being the case, thank you for your time and here are the questions.

    1. Did your country liaise with the group LIFG in Libya during the hostilities in this country during 2011 and was this group on the Foreign and Commonwealth Office list of proscribed terrorist groups during the time that the UK was aiding it in armed conflict? This being the case, would you admit that the FCO was actually breaking UK law and as such your Foreign Secretary is liable for prosecution? Why, then, has be not been prosecuted?

    16. Would you agree that you are in part responsible for the actions being carried out by the groups your country has armed in both Libya and Syria and are you aware of the atrocities they have committed? If you deny they have committed atrocities then perhaps you would like the same sort of actions to happen to your family, since you can see no wrong? And if you do admit that the terrorists the UK supported in Libya sliced off women’s breasts in the streets, slit the throats of black Libyans because they are racists, raped young girls because they are rapists, torched buildings, attacked police stations, murdered, looted and stole private and public property then you admit that in arming and financing such groups, you stand accountable?

    notice that I have jumped from Question 1.…To the last Question -16
    All Questions worth a wee scan….and here is the Link -

    http://libyanfreepress.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/war-crimes-in-libya-and-terrorism-in-syria-open-letter-to-david-cameron/

    see also this long list of Nato crimes in Libya @

    http://libyasos.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/operation-unified-protector-nato-in.html

    Lastly …

    The Law case of the Century -

    NATO: Indictment for breach of international law in the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya. The military and political leaders of NATO are hereby accused of the following crimes committed in the Libyan campaign of 2011, in which the systematic breaches of international law are underlined.

    Understanding that international law exists and that it is systematically broken by certain powers with impunity, understanding that such a situation is unacceptable and that the same set of laws should apply to all, equally, with the same sets of weights and measures employed in upholding it, I hereby accuse NATO and the below-mentioned individuals, party to its acts in the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya from February to September (ongoing) 2011, of breach of international law;

    1. Accusation: NATO war crimes, crimes against humanity, breach of UN Charter, Breach of UNSC Resolutions, breach of Geneva Conventions, occasioning murder, attempted murder, actions occasioning grievous and actual bodily harm, destruction of private and public property.

    2. Accused:…..there follows a list of 31 accused individuals, and more detail of the crimes. @

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/06-11-2011/119534-indictment_nato-0/

    Guano
    i forgive you….No harm done eh.. anger is everywhere these days… many people on Craig’s Blog…are reading of things that the MSM… keep well hidden from joe Public…and that is yet another crime – Propaganda For the Gov.com…. suppressing of truth for us

  380. BrianF; I ‘grok’ your approach to human relations. Much can be learned…

  381. Oh! Oh!….

    “We will stand with the people of Ukraine,” said US Secretary of State John Kerry at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.
    Kerry added that the United States is coordinating with its allies in efforts to resolve the situation peacefully.
    “We are working with our partners to press the government of Ukraine to forego violence, to address the concerns of peaceful protesters, to foster dialogue, promote the freedom of assembly and expression,” he said.

    Sound familiar?

  382. It’s so obvious Kerry is really just a NWO lackey and more like a Republican than a Republican.

  383. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) will be relieved to have it confirmed that they have lost none of their influence in New York now that their ‘special friend’ Michael Bloomberg has been replaced as Mayor of New York by Bill de Blasio.

    De Blasio has been embarrassed by the revelation that shortly after he was elected, he failed to inform the media of his attendance at an AIPAC conference. Luckily, someone has released a secret recording of his speech. You can listen to it here:
    http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/new-yorks-liberal-mayor-speaks-at-aipac/

    As a taster, here’s a couple of snippets that caught my ear:

    “New York has a special obligation, and I feel a part of my job description [as Mayor of New York] is to be a defender of Israel.”

    ….and….

    “As Mayor of New York City, I want you to know you have a friend and an ally at City Hall, that City Hall will always be open to AIPAC, that when you need me to stand by you in Washington or anywhere, I will answer the call and I’ll answer it happily, because that’s my job”

    Perhaps one of our regular Israel defenders could suggest why this normally outspoken self-publicist was reluctant to share with his electorate the promises he made in their name.

  384. BrianFujisan

    Can we link the present turmoil in Syria with historical examples of coalition between the four parties, Western States, Zionism, Client rulers of Muslim countries and AlQaida and conclude that Blair was a participating agent of the perversion of faith he criticises in Syria?

    For example, Western States use Zionist commercial companies to outsource sensitive State functions. Assad was directly involved with extraordinary rendition by the UK. Al Qaida was directly involved with the Western overthrow of Gaddafi. So can we conclude that the situation in Syria is in fact orchestrated by all three parties consensually?

    I have always assumed that Zionism was telling the other three what to do by various forms of financial blackmail. But what if the military power, spying power, judicial power, media power are consensual and shared collectively by the leaders of business, government, religion, military etc. ? Their target is us the world’s resources and means to fulfill their ambition to monitor the slightest sign of organised resistance by the people by 24/7 monitoring of the private lives of people?

    As I read somewhere recently, if there is any resistance it will have been organised by the themselves as a sop to the people’s frustration.

    If all these powers are colluding against us we have to expose their actions equally. We are constrained by etiquettes of good behaviour from reporting the fascist tendencies of the things around us out of our control. Or is that what they want? for us to drop the etiquettes of good behaviour and allow ourselves to fall into the same nihilistic control-freak trap of West/Zio/Client/Qaida ?

    They and their refusal to submit to God’s control over everything are bound collectively for Hell/Jahannam. Patience preserve us from going there.

    Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

  385. All four parties, I mean.

  386. BrianFujisan

    27 Jan, 2014 - 4:16 am

    Guano

    I do respect some ( very few ) religions But certainly NOT those of T BLIAR…AND G Fkn Bush…And Snotty nosed Elite cameron…FUCKING Multi-Millionaires these shits you want help from..not government but each individual..all of them ….Guano… be careful that you don’t sell you’re soul..by inviting help from these cunts… MY religion is Nature.. and in Natives… ie the first peoples before conquest…. i don’t know where you live… but believe it or not even in Scotland we have had it….Highland Clearances…Wars ect

    P.s thank you for peaceable Debate..long may it last..at this rate, we can keep Craig’s blog open

  387. Don’t want to harp on too much about this but something’s happening.

    http://iacknowledge.net/breaking-hsbc-bank-and-china-out-of-cash-china-halts-bank-cash-transfers/

  388. Further to my previous link China is also suffering cashflow problems.

    http://iacknowledge.net/breaking-hsbc-bank-and-china-out-of-cash-china-halts-bank-cash-transfers/

  389. Some jeering at Edward Snowden on Radio 4 Today earlier between the presenter Justin Webb and the BBC German reporter, Steve Evans.

    They were amused at his ‘paranoia’ about having a bullet being put into his head or being poisoned. He is justified in having such fears I should say.

    They also speculated on his future plans once his Russian visa expires this Summer and whether or not he would choose to go to Germany where he is ‘extremely popular’. As if he would go there with extradition to the US a certainty.

    The BBC bastards were having another one of their cosy chats which is a disguise for their propaganda.

    0639
    US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden has alleged the National Security Agency engaged in industrial espionage. The BBC’s Steve Evans discovers more.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03s6mdp/live

    PS The espionage referred to is by the NSA on Siemens.

  390. Alki Ada has penetrated the borders of the borderless ‘state’ of Israel.

    Israel arrests three-man ‘al-Qaeda cell’ in East Jerusalem
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25852704

    Origins in Gaza and within Hamas!!!

    Must try harder to get it right Mr Regev.

  391. What really goes on. It’s rather long but full of detail.

    NSA, Israel, GVEs, Hasbara, and Gun Massacres in the USA and Beyond
    by Michael Gillespie / January 25th, 2014

    Why would US leaders, lawmakers, intelligence and law enforcement agency administrators allow foreign intelligence and espionage agencies and their front companies unfettered, unexamined, long-term access to vast audiences of American children and young adults? And does not that question represent legitimate and vital concerns regarding privacy, public health, public safety, and national security?

    It is a matter of public record that, through its intelligence agencies and their spin-offs and many front companies, Israel is actively and deeply involved with the NSA in collecting and organizing data on Americans. The information thus collected by the NSA is shared with Britain, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand as well as Israel, but Israel is the major threat to legitimate US interests. Israel’s equivalent of the NSA, Unit 8200, or Israel SIGINT National Unit (ISNU), is notorious for its spin-off companies that become private intelligence gathering and espionage operations under Israeli control, in much the same way that Mossad has long been known to use front companies for its operations. In 2010, the investigation of a Mossad assassination team that used fraudulently obtained and falsified European and Australian passports and funding provided via US-issued bank cards revealed that the corporation that arranged the funding of the kidon team, Payoneer, was itself funded by venture capital firms linked to Israeli intelligence organizations.

    One of the firms, Greylock Partners, founded in 1965, “operates in a number of global centers of innovation, including Boston, China (Beijing), India (Bangalore), Israel (Herzliya) and Silicon Valley. … Current Greylock portfolio companies include Data Robotics, Digg, Facebook, Imperva, LinkedIn, Palo Alto Networks, Pandora, Picarro, Redfin, Workday and ZipCar,” according to the firm’s website. Greylock’s investment activities in Israel were launched in 2002 by partner Moshe Mor, who “served six years in the Israeli Army as a Captain in the Military Intelligence branch.” Unlike the CIA, which has an unfortunate history of ineffective and failed business operation covers, Mossad- and Unit 8200-controlled business operations are known for lucrative success.
    [..]
    The single greatest danger in restricting the ability of the National Security Administration (NSA) to collect information broadly is that no foreign intelligence agency will necessarily be similarly impacted by such restrictions. Foreign intelligence agencies, especially Israeli intelligence and espionage agencies and their front companies, may well find their ability to act against the USA and its interests, and to act with impunity, substantially enhanced by restrictions placed on US intelligence agencies.

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/01/nsa-israel-gves-hasbara-and-gun-massacres-in-the-usa-and-beyond/

  392. BrianFujisan

    Nature is made by God. I don’t know much about your area of Fogistan. Only joking.

  393. Mary

    Too much muck. Slow down. I used to read my children the story about Nogbad’s marrow – which was a green and yellow painted balloon. As is,I suspect, David Cameron’s.
    Vomit, I had to switch the radio off this morning.

  394. “It cost friends of government just £8.3 billion to get £53 billion in PFI returns”

    http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/01/it-cost-friends-of-government-just-8-5-billion-to-get-53-billion-in-pfi-returns/

  395. “A sad day has arrived. There are now 1,000+ Food Banks open in Tory UK. Full list here:”

    http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2014/01/a-sad-day-has-arrived-there-are-now.html

    Soon to be 2,000 methinks!.

  396. Mary, 8:49 am:

    “The espionage referred to is by the NSA on Siemens”

    Does anyone have dates for this? It could be how details of the Siemens industrial controller software were obtained, for the Stuxnet malware attack against the Iranian uranium enrichment centrifuges.

  397. A Node
    27 Jan, 2014 – 12:08 am

    “We will stand with the people of Ukraine,” said US Secretary of State John Kerry…”

    “Sound familiar?”

    Yes…another regime change but not a Muslim country this time

  398. Clark dates not given
    NSA ‘engaged in industrial espionage’ – Snowden
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/25907502

    NSA is after industrial spying – Snowden to German TV
    http://rt.com/news/snowden-nsa-industrial-interview-208/

  399. John Hilley, a Scot whom I much admire, gets it spot on.

    Monday, 27 January 2014
    False foundation of Blair’s ‘religious’ convictions http://johnhilley.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/false-foundation-of-blairs-religious.html

    John is a peace activist, is often at Faslane, and is found weekly at the GPHRC stall in Glasgow. http://gphrc.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/stall.jpg

  400. Dunno if this has been posted yet, but it provides a detailed backgrounder and who’s who on the various alliances squaring up in the ME.

    You won’t see the BBC explaining this background to the slaughter in Syria:

    “Syrian Foreign Minister: “The West Publicly Claims to Be Fighting Terrorism, Whilst It Is Covertly Nourishing It.””

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/geneva-ii-syrian-foreign-minister-the-west-publicly-claims-to-be-fighting-terrorism-whilst-it-is-covertly-nourishing-it/5365833

  401. Good essay here by the co-editor of Medialens, David Cromwell.

    Propaganda: ‘The Dominant Grand Narrative Of Our Time’ http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2014/753-propaganda-the-dominant-grand-narrative-of-our-time.html

  402. The Syrian foreign minister above points out that Erdogan’s support for Western terrorism against Syria has backfired on him, and here whistleblower Sibel Edmonds explains how Erdogan went from goodie to baddie in western eyes:

    http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-809-sibel-edmonds-explains-erdogans-fall-from-grace/

    Remember too that Assad himself went from goodie to baddie when he didn’t do what the West wanted and of course Saddam before him. Gadaffi went from goodie to baddie then from baddie to goodie and then goodie to baddie again.

    Mostly the West wants these leaders to impoverish their countries, allowing Western corporations to steal resources cheaply, so if the West considers a leader a baddie then he’s more likely a goodie for his people, or at least for his country’s national interest.

    It’s always worth catching up with Sibel’s coverage. She knows the region intimately and is very knowledgable on the various actors, alliances and shifts etc and of course she’s been an insider herself.

    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/

  403. Stuxnet – good thinkin Clark – meanwhile…

    ‘Russia committed to destroying al-Qaeda and terrorism’

    ‘The West is concerned that a democratic government in Saudi Arabia could serve the Saudis, rather than its interests. This is while Russia, China and many other countries believe that the continued presence of the Al Saud dynasty in Saudi Arabia means the continuation of al-Qaeda and their terror operations and to target the core of this crisis, the Al Saud dynasty should be overthrown.’

    I myself believe Prince Bandar was instrumental in the logistics of supplying the terrorist facet in America in 2001.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/01/13/345443/russia-committed-to-destroying-alqaeda/

  404. Uneasy and troublous times John. Reminiscent of pre WW11 days especially with the current rise of fascism.

  405. True Mary. Who knows what the madmen in control are going to dream up next? I cannot see economies of the world surviving in their current state. When the demise comes the working-class, if that term still exists, must ensure that those in control now are not left in control in the future. It will be a unique opportunity. At my age it does not matter too much but I would like to see a more equitable world before I pop my clogs.

  406. I find this interesting Clark:

    In 2004 the BBC Governors approved a deal to outsource the BBC’s IT, telephony and broadcast technology (which had previously been run by the corporation’s internal BBC Technology division) to the German engineering and electronics company Siemens IT Solutions and Services (SIS). It was claimed that the sale of BBC Technology would deliver over £30 million of savings to the BBC.[26] In June 2007 a report published by the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee was critical of the deal, claiming that BBC management had omitted £60 million’ worth of hidden costs in its application to the Board of Governors and that the profits to Siemens had not been taken into account. Recorded savings to the BBC had amounted to £22m, 38% lower than the BBC’s original forecast.[27][28]

    The BBC’s partnership with Siemens underwent some high-profile difficulties, including issues with the corporation-wide switchover to a IP telephony system in 2009;[29] a major outage of the BBC website in 2011;[30] and Siemens was the original technology partner in the Digital Media Initiative until its contract was terminated in 2009 (see below).[31] In December 2010, SIS was acquired from Siemens by the French company Atos and BBC IT, broadcast and website systems are now managed by Atos.[32][33]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_controversies

  407. One rule for one, another for the rest. I have friends who had no electricity for over a week, one of whom looks after her elderly father who lives with her and her family.

    Engineers diverted to David Cameron’s house to fix his TV while flood victims were without power

    Electrical engineers were ‘diverted’ from helping flood victims to fix a small problem at David Cameron’s house after the prime minister’s TV cut out while he was watching the Sound of Music.

    Residents left without heating and lighting had to wait to get their power back after workmen were redirected to Mr Cameron’s £2million family home, it has emerged.

    Engineers say they were sent on a 17-mile diversion to Chipping Norton after the prime minister lost power towards the end of the film on New Year’s Day.

    However, the outage was later found to be a minor problem – and power was restored by flicking the fuse box trip switch.

    George Faulkner and Alan Paton were part of an emergency repair team trying to restore power to 11,000 houses in Oxfordshire when they were suddenly diverted, they told BBC Radio 4.

    Mr Paton said: ‘We could have been employed on better things but we got called out to a ­property where the trip had gone that they obviously hadn’t checked properly.’

    Mr Faulkner added: ‘It didn’t need much sorting out. If he had got his minders to check the trip switch it would have saved us the journey. There was nothing wrong with their mains.’

    A Scottish and Southern Energy Power Distribution spokesman said: ‘The prime minister did not receive preferential treatment when we attended his property and this visit was not to the detriment of other customers who may have been without power.’

    A No.10 spokesman told the Sunday Mirror: ’The power went down because there was a leaky roof. There was water around the fuse box. The engineers came to fix it, which they did.’

    http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/26/engineers-diverted-to-david-camerons-house-to-fix-his-tv-while-flood-victims-were-without-power-4277588/

  408. I, for one, do not think that anything Chilcot says or does not say, will bring BLiar to justice. The whole thing is a theatrical.

    How Chilcot Could ‘Slap The Cuffs’ On Tony Blair
    Evidence from mandarins suggests that Tony Blair’s entourage deceived the Cabinet on Iraq
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37485.htm

  409. Two realities.

    The ordinary bloke on the ground who does all the work:

    “Mr Paton said: ‘We could have been employed on better things but we got called out to a ­property where the trip had gone that they obviously hadn’t checked properly.’ ”

    and the bloke in charge at No 10, telling everyone else what to do, who can’t do basic home maintenance:

    “A No.10 spokesman told the Sunday Mirror: ’The power went down because there was a leaky roof. There was water around the fuse box. The engineers came to fix it, which they did.’ ”

    That’s Labour’s whole ad campaign right there, but…

  410. “A No.10 spokesman told the Sunday Mirror: ’The power went down because there was a leaky roof. There was water around the fuse box. The engineers came to fix it, which they did.’ ”

    I’m wandering what power company engineers were doing working on someone’s fuse box. Their responsibilities end at the meter.

  411. Resident Dissident

    27 Jan, 2014 - 8:49 pm

    @Doug Scorgie

    “Sound familiar?”

    Yes…another regime change but not a Muslim country this time

    Yep sounds all too familiar – another case where the people of a country express their disapproval of yet another Putin backed regime – but rather than supporting the freedom of said people to express their views and understanding what they are complaining about, the political position of many here is defined as the antithesis of the US position. First the views of the people are ignored, then the US position is found out, then the protestors are called US dupes, then they are all accused of terrorism – and anyone who opposes such a thought process is clearly one of the “usual suspects” (yes that is the description employed – who says that some here learned nothing from McCarthyism). It becomes somewhat difficult to engage and debate with such overpowering logic – and quite frankly I have my doubts as to whether it is worth the effort.

  412. BrianFujisan

    27 Jan, 2014 - 8:56 pm

    Mary
    Re the Scarlett Johansson thingy…Looks like another fine mess – for Oxfam

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/signs-disarray-oxfam-over-ambassador-oppression-scarlett-johansson

  413. A few passionate protesters make not the majority of opinion.
    Although the Doctrine of the West again assumes this to be.

    Democracy and majority rule is desirable but difficult to obtain when the nature of the systems are completely narrow minded.

    All consuming greed. No expense spared!

    How are those rain Forrest’s coming on. Back of a truck probably…

  414. “I, for one, do not think that anything Chilcot says or does not say, will bring BLiar to justice. The whole thing is a theatrical.”

    Me neither, unless of course someone decides that he’d be a useful scapegoat. Bush and Co have faded into the background. Blair is inyerface all the time. Like, annoyingly so. And he really does seem to be disliked across the political spectrum. He’s the poster boy for the unlawful destruction of Iraq and the loss of untold lives and habitat, and I’m still weirded out by that clip from the early 1980s where Michael Foot, then leader of the Labour party, points him up as someone with an especially bright future. Blair was a media darling during those long years of Opposition. “Tough on Crime. Tough on the causes of crime.” He was Bambi up until 9/11, and then during a holiday in the US he morphed from crap casual mum’s knitwear woozie hippie to sharp Italian suited warmonger and destroyer of worlds.

    Let’s just say. It ain’t what you’d expect when plotting the graph; unless you watched his dismantling of the core principles of The Labour Party, and that curious incident when as Opposition leader he himself took over the argument in the House when Jack Straw was losing badly.

    This is an excellent, very well-researched and footnoted book on the making of modern US presidents. Obama’s history is way weirder than you think:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Presidential-Puppetry-Obama-Romney-Masters/dp/0988672812

    The author, Andrew Kreig, talks about his work here:

    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/01/10/bfp-exclusive-interview-with-andrew-kreig-the-cia-global-empire-the-u-s-presidency/

  415. “…then they are all accused of terrorism…”

    Only the ones that cut people’s hearts out and eat them.

  416. BrianFujisan

    27 Jan, 2014 - 9:34 pm

    Herbie

    “Blair was a media darling during those long years of Opposition. “Tough on Crime. Tough on the causes of crime.” He was Bambi up until 9/11, and then during a holiday in the US he morphed from crap casual mum’s knitwear woozie hippie to sharp Italian suited warmonger and destroyer of worlds.”

    Well said

    Here’s a Section from a good take on Blair’s attempt at saving his putrid soul…by trying to blame religious ideology @

    The idea that the solution to the problems of the Middle East and beyond is a campaign of education about tolerance and moderation from the likes of Tony Blair is beyond satire. The implication is that the problem of these regions lies with the people themselves — in other words, blame the victims of the ‘war on terror’ for their own suffering.

    Tony Blair has clearly decided that attack is the best means of defence. This latest intervention is no doubt partly motivated by concern at what the much awaited Chilcot inquiry on the Iraq war may reveal. Blair’s office is briefing that the report will confirm he did give assurances to George W Bush in April 2002 that Britain would support the US in the illegal pursuit of regime change in Iraq. This may be part of a pre-emptive campaign to predict worse criticisms of Blair than will actually be in Chilcot’s report — a classic spin technique.

    Whatever Chilcot’s conclusions, the facts remain: Tony Blair made promises to Bush to take Britain into a war on Iraq behind the back of his own cabinet, parliament and the British people, to all of whom he then lied systematically over the following months in the lead up to the launch of the US-UK invasion in March 2003.

    As he parades his ‘concern’ for the Middle East and Central Asia, and attempts to make religious ideology the culprit for the ‘war on terror’, Blair aims to write out of history the horrific consequences of his actions which brought so much death, destruction and instability to the region.

    Source: Stop the War Coalition

    http://stopwar.org.uk/news/hiding-war-crimes-behind-religion-how-tony-blair-absolves-himself-of-guilt#.UubKa9LFK6b

  417. Thanks Brian.

    The pressure on Oxfam is building.

    Scarlett Johansson is “ambassador for oppression,” says Oxfam founder’s grandson
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/scarlett-johansson-ambassador-oppression-says-oxfam-founders-grandson

    One of UNICEF’s previous ‘ambassadors’ was Susan Sarandon. I remember her attending the opening of a new store for a blood diamond dealer who supports Zionist Israel, Lev Leviev.

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2007/12/27/what-do-susan-sarandon-and-alan-dershowitz-have-in-common/

    Susan Sarandon’s Double Standards
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omid-memarian/susan-sarandons-double-st_b_113823.html

    What’s up with these actresses?

  418. Why has it taken four years for the ConDems to establish that the Royal Bank of Scotland (80% taxpayer owned) has made a loss of £8billion for 2013 and incurred total losses of £45billion since the 2008 ‘crash’? St Vince of Cable is sounding surprised at the news, and is outraged!

    RBS faces £8bn in full year losses
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25918998

    I wonder if anyone actually knows the real figures.

  419. RBS. Why does the taxpayer own this? I’ve seen what governments do when they nationalise a business that is in debt. I go back to the RB 211. All the banks are in debt. All the banks are paying bonuses. Bonuses for failure! Because otherwise they would lose these highly-skilled personnel abroad. What a crock of shit! There’s nowhere for these thieves to go. The whole world is in debt. The bankers have caused it. We should really be fighting for taxpayers’ money not being wasted on these criminals. When the crunch comes remember who caused it. Get them to roll up their sleeves and do a proper day’s work. And let the taxpayers run the replacement banking system. But never forget who caused it!

  420. John; If a reset is on-deck, currency re-evaluation necessitates freezing assets and they usually do this over a week-end under the cover of ‘maintenance’.

    Zero-hedge has been on this. Of course anyone who cites these rumblings as portentious is known as a gold-bug. I guess that’s better than being a dung-beetle.

  421. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 10:24 pm

    Excellent post at 20h49, Resident Dissident! I suppose we can look forward to a groundswell of support building up on this blog for Ukraine’s lovely President as the days go by….

  422. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 10:29 pm

    Announcing the establishment of “HOW” (Habbabkuk’s Obsession Watch).

    Mary is currently homing in on actresses.

    Tip to Mary : some actresses are…..Jewish!!

  423. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 10:31 pm

    @ John Goss:

    why won’t you tell us why you took the trouble to learn such good Russian?

  424. Ben, as well as commandeering the banks it is most important that a new society takes control of the media and ensures that there are no monetary pressure groups buying news space for their inane, mundane and insane news stories.

  425. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 10:32 pm

    @ John Goss:

    PS – did you ever visit the USSR?

  426. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 10:34 pm

    “as well as commandeering the banks it is most important that a new society takes control of the media”

    ____________________

    Note the expression “takes control”.

  427. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 10:39 pm

    12 posts today from the Resident Denigrator (so far…) – that’s about one an hour.

    Please think of generations yet unborn – too much hot hair causes global warming.

  428. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 10:41 pm

    ““…then they are all accused of terrorism…”

    Only the ones that cut people’s hearts out and eat them.”
    ____________________

    No, just the ones who won’t let UN humanitarion relief into Homs.

  429. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 10:42 pm

    @ John Goss

    Do you regret the demise of the Soviet Union?

  430. I regret the demise of the UK.

  431. Resident Dissident

    27 Jan, 2014 - 10:58 pm

    John

    Could you pleaae explain how an increase in the Dow Jones Index from 13200 to 16400 in recent times is in any way comparable to the increase in the index from 200 to 350 which occurred in a similar period in the run up to the 1929 Crash and can be seen as the basis for forecasting an imminent crash as you did in an earlier post which you linked to here.

    https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/stunnning-chart-todays-stock-market-is-eerily-reminiscent-of-1929_12042013

    Until you do might I suggest that you stay away from the subject of statistics and economic forecasting. I am happy to predict on your behalf that if you keep predicting that there will one day be an economic crash that one day you will be right.

    I do remember looking at a post in which you proved to your own satisfaction that it was “statistically” several times more dangerous to travel with “famous” people which was afraid based on a pretty obvious statistical fallacy. I restrained myself from pointing out the error of your ways, perhaps wary of the vigour to which you attach yourself to other fallacies based on flimsy evidence – I am not sure that I should be so kind in future.

    Before you ask I have an degree in economics of which about a third was made up of papers in Maths and Statistics – so while I can except that there are many different and valid economic viewpoints from my own, I am pretty sure that nearly all of those would see the writings on which you base your faith as being cod economics and statistics rather than the real thing.

  432. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 11:00 pm

    Herbie

    “Remember too that Assad himself went from goodie to baddie when he didn’t do what the West wanted and of course Saddam before him.”
    ___________________

    Is your problem that the West considered Assad and Saddam Hussein as goodies, or is it that the West considered them as baddies?

    Presumably, if you think that the West was mistaken to consider them to be goodies, then you should welcome the fact that the West changed its mind and subsequently thought of them as baddies.

    Conversely, if you dislike the fact that the West came to consider them as baddies, then this implies that you think the West was correct in once thinking them to be goodies.

  433. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 11:03 pm

    “@ John Goss

    Do you regret the demise of the Soviet Union?”
    _______________________

    John, you treat us to your views on many things. So why do you decliunbe to answer this question?

  434. Resident Dissident

    27 Jan, 2014 - 11:06 pm

    Habba

    I found the reference to a “new society” even more worrying – what do they wish to do with the old one? I am presuming that they do not prescribe to the line about there being no such thing as society.

    John Goss

    Did you cry with George Galloway on the break up of the Soviet Union? What are your feelings about its break up?

  435. Clark

    i’ve been looking into that Stuxnet Malware story…i find it all very interesting…and Dangerous….some stuff on it for ya…including a few dates.

    Many suspected either the U.S. or Israel, or some collaboration of the two was behind the attack, but nothing other than rumor could support the theories. In June 2012, David Sanger, chief Washington correspondent for the New York Times, published an article which described a number of significant revelations regarding America’s role in using cyber warfare against Iran. In particular, Sanger writes that Stuxnet was part of a joint program of Israel and the United States, coded name Olympic Games, which aimed to prevent—or at least delay—Iran from developing the ability to enrich uranium to weapons-grade.

    According to Sanger, the cyberwar program began under President Bush in 2006 when, after negotiations between Iranian and American officials flailed, Iran restarted its uranium enrichment plants. The program was a joint effort of the National Security Agency and Israel’s top secret Unit 8200. By 2008, an early version of the bug was already attacking the Natanz facility. Under President Obama, the bug made even more complex and sophisticated, giving it the ability to disrupt a critical array of nearly a thousand centrifuges yet remain completely undetected.

    Olympic Games experienced a significant setback when, in the summer 2010, it was discovered that the worm had spread beyond Natanz and could be found all over the internet. In a matter of weeks, the mainstream media was alive with discussion of the dangerous and enigmatic virus, deemed Stuxnet, lurking in computers around the world. Despite the breach, Obama order the program to go forward—soon succeeding in destroying around a fifth of Iran’s centrifuges.

    http://k1project.org/stuxnet/

    from another site….

    In May 2012, Kaspersky Lab received a request from the International Telecommunication Union, the United Nations agency that manages information and communication technologies, to study a piece of malware that had supposedly destroyed files from oil-company computers in Iran. By now, Schouwenberg and his peers were already on the lookout for variants of the Stuxnet virus. They knew that in September 2011, Hungarian researchers had uncovered Duqu, which had been designed to steal information about industrial control systems.

    While pursuing the U.N.’s request, Kaspersky’s automated system identified another Stuxnet variant. At first, Schouwenberg and his team concluded that the system had made a mistake, because the newly discovered malware showed no obvious similarities to Stuxnet. But after diving into the code more deeply, they found traces of another file, called Flame, that were evident in the early iterations of Stuxnet. At first, Flame and Stuxnet had been considered totally independent, but now the researchers realized that Flame was actually a precursor to Stuxnet that had somehow gone undetected.

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/security/the-real-story-of-stuxnet

  436. John Goss
    Rain mainly in the plain? What about How now Brown cow?
    He acted dumb in 2008 pretending not to have foreseen the banking crisis. They don’t teach you nothing at Bilderberg. If anybody asks you anything about it just act as if you were very, very stupid.

  437. Resident Dissident

    27 Jan, 2014 - 11:11 pm

    “The whole world is in debt.”

    Of course this is absolutely true – for all savings there has to be a debt somewhere. If you want anything other than the most primitive economy then you have to have debts and savings. Just imagine a world with no investment and no pensions for starters.

  438. Res Dis, with a degree in economics of which about a third was made up of papers in Maths and Statistics, and Habbabkuk, I did not rejoice when the new Russian multi-millionaires came over here and bought up some of the best English football teams with oil money. There is a saying in Russia that some fish can swim in filthy water.

    I’ve already answered all your questions about being a Commie. Check back.

  439. Resident Dissident

    27 Jan, 2014 - 11:16 pm

    Guano

    The economists I admire like Stiglitz and Krugman did see the 2007-8 financial crisis as did Gillian Tett in her columns on the debt markets in the FT.

  440. Resident Dissident

    27 Jan, 2014 - 11:21 pm

    John Goss

    And how do you believe said Russian millionaires made their money in Russia and became Governors in certain remote Russian provinces many miles away from their football clubs.

  441. As to your “Could you please explain how an increase in the Dow Jones Index from 13200 to 16400 in recent times is in any way comparable to the increase in the index from 200 to 350 which occurred in a similar period in the run up to the 1929 Crash and can be seen as the basis for forecasting an imminent crash as you did in an earlier post which you linked to here.” I should have thought as an economist and statistician you could do that yourself. I did not create the graph. However money is not worth as much today as it was then because they keep printing more of it. Every time they print more it is worth even less. That is why when the next crash comes it will be more devastating than in 1929. However I would like to hear your views on why we are not heading for a deep depression and why the two graphs are incompatible.

  442. Resident Dissident, 27 Jan, 2014 – 11:21 pm

    I know because I read up on these things. Suggest you do too.

  443. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    27 Jan, 2014 - 11:34 pm

    @ John Goss

    “I’ve already answered all your questions about being a Commie. Check back.”
    ________________________

    Yes, I know.

    But I wasn’t asking you whether you were or are a Communist, was I. I firstly asked why you had taken the trouble to learn such good Russian, and, secondly, whether you regretted the demise of the Soviet Union. Why don’t you want to answer those very civil comments and why do you equate them with asking you whether you are a Communist?

  444. Hi habby

    My point was that the West prefers corrupt dictators abroad, who do its bidding, than anything that is beneficial to the inhabitants of the country concerned.

    What are you contesting?

  445. Habby, your questions might be civil, but I find them a bit ingratiating. My Russian is not that good. You need to live in a country to be fluent. I can get by but it is not as good as you seem to think. I hope this is a satisfactory answer. Are you trying to build up a dossier on me? The KGB probably already have one and NSA certainly have one. You could ask them if you want to further your knowledge.

  446. @ Resident Dissident 27 Jan, 2014 – 8:49 pm
    You said to Doug Scorgie ….

    ” ……. Yep sounds all too familiar – another case where the people of a country express their disapproval of yet another Putin backed regime – but rather than supporting the freedom of said people to express their views and understanding what they are complaining about, the political position of many here is defined as the antithesis of the US position. First the views of the people are ignored, then the US position is found out, then the protestors are called US dupes, then they are all accused of terrorism – and anyone who opposes such a thought process is clearly one of the “usual suspects” (yes that is the description employed – who says that some here learned nothing from McCarthyism). It becomes somewhat difficult to engage and debate with such overpowering logic – and quite frankly I have my doubts as to whether it is worth the effort.”

    Since Doug Scorgie was replying to me at the time, I feel justified in sticking my oar in. I’ve analysed your formula ….

    Locate a comment which sympathises with the victims of Western aggression.
    Identify the writer as typical of the posters on this blog.
    Describe what you think a typical poster on this blog ought to say.
    Pour sarcasm on what the typical poster ought to have said.
    Pout “I don’t know why I bother, I really don’t” and flounce off.

  447. “Locate a comment which sympathises with the victims of Western aggression.
    Identify the writer as typical of the posters on this blog.
    Describe what you think a typical poster on this blog ought to say.
    Pour sarcasm on what the typical poster ought to have said.
    Pout “I don’t know why I bother, I really don’t” and flounce off.”

    Sadly, that is the essence of his dissidence. It’s like distilled Hab. It leeches any beneficial minerals, and consigns any matter to nutritional death throes.

  448. @ Clark,

    Look into how the stuxnet exactly worked and you’ll find a path to its makers.

    *******

    If anyone would run his household the way governments run the economical environment, there would be nothing but bankrupt families.

    Oh, wait, there are quite a few already.

    Keep up the good work and spread prosperity even thinner over the crumbs the other 99% are allowed access to.

    According to the tealeaves at the bottom of my cup I’m about to fart…

    Shit.

    Diarrhea.

  449. Thanks for the research Brian.

    The decision by Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to reject an invitation from Putin to attend the Sochi opening ceremonies is noteworthy. Putin and Netanyahu are on better speaking terms with one another than is the case with Putin and Obama. Although Putin and Netanyahu are worlds apart on issues like Syria and Iran, they mutually recognize the importance of business ties between Russian Jews living in Israel and their compatriots in Russia. Netanyahu’s rejection of Putin’s invitation may have arisen from advance knowledge of Saudi plans for an attack on the Winter Games. Israel and Saudi Arabia have forged close intelligence and military links owing to their common cause against Iran and Assad’s government in Syria.

    The potential for a chemical weapons terror attack in Sochi has been known by worldwide intelligence agencies for quite some time. However, rather than warn of this threat, a number of world leaders cynically used their opposition to Russia’s policy on homosexual advocacy to decide to boycott the opening ceremonies. Among those leaders who hid behind the lavender curtain rather than reveal the actual reason for their absence — the threat posed by the Saudis to the Sochi games — are U.S. President Barack Obama, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, German President Joachim Gauck and Chancellor Angela Merkel, British Prime Minister David Cameron, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, French President Francois Hollande, Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski, and European Justice and Fundamental Rights Commissioner Viviane Reding.

    Chinese President Xi Jinping, Netherlands Prime Minister Mark Rutte and King Willem-Alexander, Norwegian King Harald and Prime Minister Erna Solberg, and Kazakhstan President Nursultan Nazarbayev are scheduled attend the ceremonies.

    Some leaders are only planning on attending the closing ceremonies only. These include Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Bulgarian PresidentRossen Plevneliev. Bulgarian Prime Minister Plamen Oresharski will attend the opening ceremonies.

    http://milfuegos.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2014-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&updated-max=2015-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&max-results=6

  450. @ A Node & Ben,

    Where most share what they see as their take on ‘right, truth and justice,’ some others contribute nothing but vitriol and virtual, corrosive acid in an attempt to blister the bejesus off of fellow forum members’ names and bolster their own ballooning horse manure. This misplaced ‘god-syndrome’ begs for ‘ignore buttons’ to be added to the pages, so their contributions collapse when activated, allowing me to use my middle finger for the other, more appropriate gestures.

  451. BrianFujisan

    28 Jan, 2014 - 3:36 am

    Mark
    Cheers…and great post there, Re Sochi Games….i sometimes wonder if there is a deliberate Building up and fear mongering of an imminent event, only for it to pass without incident… in which case, rather than the Opening ceremony, it would be the Closing ceremony to fear … or an even later event.

    More nato Terrorism being Spoken up RE Libya, from asshole Edouard Guillard -

    Fighting has flared up again in southern and western Libya as clashes between pro-Gaddafi forces and rebel militias have resulted in the seizure of several towns and an airbase by the loyalists. These developments prompted French Admiral Edouard Guillard TO APPEAL FOR A RENEWED IMPERIALST INTERVENTION IN LIBYA… claiming that developments on the southern border could lead to a “terrorist threat.” (Washington Post, January 27)

    Dissatisfaction is growing among the Libyan population with the current situation. Once the most prosperous nation in Africa, with a standard of living that exceeded several states in Europe, the conditions inside the country have drastically deteriorated since the 2011 counter-revolution.

    This decline in living standards, the failure of the regime to reign in the militias which terrorize the population, the collapse of the oil industry and widespread corruption has drawn broad criticism even among the favored elites. Another decree was issued in January which prohibits scholarship students and public employees from speaking out in opposition to the conditions prevailing in Libya.

    In the same article published by AllAfrica.com, it points out that “Libya’s government passed Resolution 13/2014 on January 24, discontinuing scholarships to students studying abroad and salaries and bonuses to Libyan employees, for ‘taking part in activities inimical to the February 17 revolution,’ which is widely understood to encompass statements and protests against the current government. It calls on Libyan embassies abroad and others to draw up lists of names and refer them to the Prosecutor General for prosecution.”

    Imperialism in Crisis

    These events in Libya demonstrate that there is no benefit for the masses in oppressed nations where U.S. and other imperialist states have overthrown governments and installed puppet regimes. The situation in Libya is also mirrored in Iraq where people are dying every day from internecine conflict and the overall horrendous conditions prevailing among the majority of the population.

    In Syria, over 100,000 people have died over the last three years since the U.S. has supported a counter-revolutionary assault on the population. The current Geneva II talks in Switzerland are ostensibly designed to reach a political solution although the U.S. and its allies are continuing to finance and coordinate those seeking the overthrow of the government of President Bashar al-Assad.

    http://libya360.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/renewed-intervention-threatened-after-pro-gaddafi-forces-seize-areas-in-southern-libya/

    Bit of cross checking but same story @

    http://www.modernghana.com/news/518488/1/renewed-intervention-threatened-after-pro-gaddafi-.html

  452. Money use exploits and transposes evil. It’s use other than a form of currency is unnatural and as a form of currency it’s true value is relinquished.

    Society could function so much differently if not for the pursuit of gain through the possession of money.

    Work and helping each other. A system of reliance!

    Debts and saving! It’s humans your dealing with.

  453. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    28 Jan, 2014 - 8:13 am

    Herbie

    “My point was that the West prefers corrupt dictators abroad, who do its bidding, than anything that is beneficial to the inhabitants of the country concerned.

    What are you contesting?”
    ____________________

    I’m contesting your point as quoted above.

    But you haven’t really responded to the question(s) implicit in my post of 23h00 yesterday, which was also a question of logic if you will. Would you care to do so?

  454. Don’t feed the trolls. They only come back for more like Oliver Twist.

  455. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    28 Jan, 2014 - 8:18 am

    John Goss

    “I hope this is a satisfactory answer.”
    __________________

    Well, that would have been a satisfactory answer had the question been “how good is your Russian”. But it wasn’t.

    The questions, as now revised in the light of your non-answer, are 1/. why did you learn Russian, and 2/. do you regret the demise of the Soviet Union?

    Of course I’m not trying to build up a dossier on you; I just think the answers to those questions would help me (and perhaps other, casual readers) see where you’re coming from in respect of your posts on a number of themes.

  456. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    28 Jan, 2014 - 8:22 am

    Jay

    You are so right. As the Good Book says, the love of money is the root of all evil. Are you a practising Christian?

  457. Perhaps they could apply some of their brain power to the problem of the deteriorating state of the royal residences.

    Queen down to her last million due to courtiers’ overspending, report finds
    Report by the Commons public accounts committee finds the Queen’s advisers are failing to control her finances while the royal palaces are “crumbling”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/10600671/Queen-down-to-her-last-million-due-to-courtiers-overspending-report-finds.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_royal_residences

    PS Suggestions for the collective nouns for royal residences?

    Sky News have just had a Con Friend of Israel MP on to discuss the problem. Of course Israel is expert on home demolition. Perhaps that expertise will come in useful to reduce the nation’s liabilities for maintenance!

  458. In Occupied Palestine

    Sunday, 26 January 2014

    Israeli Army opens fire on farmers and shepherds in Northern Gaza

    Israeli Navy opens fire on Palestinian fishing boats

    Israeli Army prevents villagers from farming their land in 3 West Bank areas

    Zionist arsonists set fire to crops on Palestinian farmland

    Israeli troops terrorise 6 youngsters aged from 12 to 17

    Man hospitalised after Israeli Army checkpoint dog attack

    Occupation settler vandalism – Israeli Army complicity

    Israeli Army destroys 3 Palestinian homes

    Israeli soldiers abduct two 17-year-old youths

    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in refugee camp and 9 towns and villages

    2 attacks – 27 raids including home invasions – 2 injured

    6 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage

    25 taken prisoner – 16 detained – 113 restrictions of movement

    Read newsletter

    http://palestine.org.nz/phrc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1834&Itemid=43

  459. “Of course this is absolutely true – for all savings there has to be a debt somewhere. If you want anything other than the most primitive economy then you have to have debts and savings. Just imagine a world with no investment and no pensions for starters.”

    So if I put a few quid a week away to save up for something I want I’m in debt am I?

  460. Pete Seeger rest in peace. Where have all the flower-people gone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqTf8DU6a0

  461. Habby, my comments tell you where I am coming from, you don’t need to know more. If you want to know about people you should start sharing some of your own personal details.

  462. Fred, spot on. The great evil of banking is liquidity ratio. Banks lend out more than what they have. It is the fallacy. Much better if bankers were paid a modest salary and a modest charge was made on transactions. Simply put, you have a cake divided into eight equal slices. Eight people can have a slice. Then the cake’s gone. The banks behave as though there are eight cakes, or these days eighty cakes. Quite obviously it spells disaster as soon as society loses confidence.

  463. Mary. 28 Jan, 2014 – 8:14 am

    Oliver Twist was in the workhouse and starving. The trolls get pleasure from trying to upset decent people like yourself.

  464. Maybe Habba.

    More a learned philanthropist.

  465. Pete Seeger in 2009 at the presidential inaugural celebrations. There’s a clip of Obama who is not singing ‘This land is your land. . .’ because he does not believe this land was made for you and me, just for him. Five years of broken promises, with Guantanamo still there, and no money in the pot except for wars on credit. Pete Seeger was a campaigner who probably had belief in Obama five years ago. We all had hope for something better. The two party system where money stolen from taxpayers pays for presidential candidates has to be abolished if a just society is to be built.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE4H0k8TDgw

  466. @ A node

    Locate a comment which sympathises with the victims of Western aggression.

    Yep all those demonstrators in Kyiv are just agents of Western aggression and the Ukraine government are the victims.

  467. Fred

    I think you will find that if you place your savings in a bank then it is the bank which has the debt to you.

  468. @ESLO

    I wouldn’t do that, I’d rather just put it away in a drawer.

    Then I’d know it was safe.

  469. “Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/27/us-eurozone-crisis-bundesbank-idUSBREA0Q0HV20140127

    “Eurozone ministers impatient on Greek bailout review”

    http://euobserver.com/news/122891

  470. @John

    This Land is your Land was written by Woody Guthrie.

    So was this:

    Yes, as through this world I’ve wandered
    I’ve seen lots of funny men;
    Some will rob you with a six-gun,
    And some with a fountain pen.

    And as through your life you travel,
    Yes, as through your life you roam,
    You won’t never see an outlaw
    Drive a family from their home.

  471. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    28 Jan, 2014 - 11:07 am

    ESLO

    ‘I think you will find that if you place your savings in a bank then it is the bank which has the debt to you.’

    They’re talking right now about charging for the privilege of a current account. At present they have the use of your money interest-free, and use it to leverage loans of cash which they have created, at high interest, to third parties. Or lend it overnight to other banks, and pocket the interest on those loans. Doesn’t look like they feel terribly indebted, to me.

  472. David Cameron’s trip switch.
    The UK has been in debt for centuries and the present government has increased the debt, as will the one that will follow.
    Somebody or something deliberately or not deliberately pressed the trip switch.

    The only thing that will trip the RCD is a faulty circuit. The way this country runs the economy is faulty. If you push the trip back up it will trip again. I wish I had some customers with enough money to pay for a job instead of just endlessly pricing work and see it done by cowboys. he cowboys of the economy are the bankers.

    Baronness Wheatcroft on Radio 4 this morning asking why we can’t have bankers that do a good job for their pay:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25924268

  473. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    28 Jan, 2014 - 11:44 am

    I tell you, Guano, there’s at least one thing Islam can teach the West – the faith (if not all of its adherents, naming no Saudi or Qatari names) takes a very dim view of usury.

  474. “Methane gas released by dairy cows has caused an explosion in a cow shed in Germany.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25922514

    Police are looking for a Muslim man seen leaving the area carrying a box of matches.

  475. @ESLO 28 Jan, 2014 – 10:17 am

    @ A node
    “Yep all those demonstrators in Kyiv are just agents of Western aggression and the Ukraine government are the victims.”

    Yep, you’ve got the idea. More specifically:
    Some of the leaders of those demonstrators in Kyiv are agents of Western aggression, and everybody else in the Ukraine is or soon will be a victim.

  476. “Baronness Wheatcroft on Radio 4 this morning asking why we can’t have bankers that do a good job for their pay”

    They’re doing a good job for themselves and their mates, which is what they’re designed to do.

    If you want a banking system that does a good job for everyone else, then you’ll need a public banking system.

    There’a much more talk and action on these and other issues in the US at State level. The UK is sleepwalking as per usual.

    http://publicbankinginstitute.org/

    Of particular interest is the Nullification campaign:

    http://www.nullifynow.com/

  477. “The bank hath benefit of interest on all moneys which it creates out of nothing.”

    William Paterson, founder of the Bank of England in 1694, then a privately owned bank.

  478. still a privately owned bank

  479. Here’s an interesting backgrounder on the Ukrainian conflict:

    http://www.corbettreport.com/?s=ukraine&x=0&y=0

  480. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    28 Jan, 2014 - 12:24 pm

    Nullification campaign? That site is by and for rednecks against Obamacare and for unrestricted firearm ownership. They propose to use the Tenth Amendment to bypass federal legislation. You’re not serious, Mary?

    The Tenth Amendment deals with powers delegated to States which are not claimed by the Federal government. It is totally irrelevant to the UK.

  481. According to Reuters, US weapons continue to flow in to the Syrian rabble rebels.

    ‘Kerry – He speak with forked tongue, Kemosabe’ as Tonto used to say in the Lone Ranger!

    http://interventionswatch.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/u-s-weapons-continuing-to-flow-to-rebels-in-syria/

  482. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    28 Jan, 2014 - 12:30 pm

    &-

    ‘Several states have introduced various resolutions and legislation in protest to federal actions.[11] Despite this, the Supreme Court has explicitly rejected the idea that the states can nullify federal law. In Cooper v. Aaron (1958), the Supreme Court of the United States held that federal law prevails over state law due to the operation of the Supremacy Clause, and that federal law “can neither be nullified openly and directly by state legislators or state executive or judicial officers nor nullified indirectly by them through evasive schemes . . .” Thus, state laws purporting to nullify federal statutes or to exempt states and their citizens from federal statutes have only symbolic impact.’
    (Wikipedia – Tenth Amendment)

  483. Nullification Beelzebub? Not me.

  484. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    28 Jan, 2014 - 12:35 pm

    Mary: Sorry, sorry. Herbie’s post, not yours. Senior moment, I think.

  485. Beelzebub

    There’s nothing wrong in attempts to bypass federal legislation. That’s where the elite powerbase is and where all the illiberal legislation and federal agencies are coming from.

    For example, there’s talk of using it in Utah against the NSA.

    If it’s OK for Jefferson, it’s probably OK.

  486. Atos and G4S questioned by MPs: Politics live blog
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/28/atos-and-g4s-questioned-by-mps-politics-live-blog

    Atos run BBC’s IT as well as acting as IDS’s heavies.

    G4S are involved in the cruel Israeli penal system. HMP Oakwood which they operate might enter into the conversation. Their Limp Ics fiasco has probably been completely forgotten by now.

  487. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    28 Jan, 2014 - 12:46 pm

    Herbie -
    Nothing I can say can possibly alter your belief in the evil nature of Federal, and the angelic nature of State legislatures. Two words: “pork barrel”. The one feeds the other. And the other feeds the one.

    The Tenth Amendment was long ago described as a truism which clarifies, but adds nothing of substance, to the rest of the Constitution. Whoever invokes it.

    I’d hardly describe Obama as elite, btw.

  488. I wouldn’t say that the States were angelic, but we’re not dealing in absolutes. We’re looking to push buttons of resistance, and it’s much easier to do that at local than national level.

    “I’d hardly describe Obama as elite, btw.”

    He’s working for elite interests. That’s all that matters.

  489. Mary,

    You really do have to question the sanity of Iain Duncan Smith!.

    http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/not-so-hidden-ideology-behind-the-dwp-war-on-women/

    “Take Online Action Against The CRAPITA Conference: Cashing in on Poverty”

    http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2014/01/26/take-online-action-against-the-crapita-conference-cashing-in-on-poverty/

  490. A bit of fun for the Where’s Werrity? fans here. Check page 30 of this latest pdf from Edward Snowden:

    http://cryptome.org/2014/01/gchq-squeaky-dolphin.pdf

    Well, it’s nice to know someone’s keeping an eye on the matter… ;)

    Less impressed at the illustration on page 32, mind. GCHQ (authors of this delightfully code-named “Squeaky Dolphin” presentation) keeping tabs on human rights protesters in Bahrain via Facebook and YouTube? What’s that to do with the national security of Britain? Plenty to do with the economic interests of a select few, of course. High time they just called a spade and spade and ditched the “national security” cover story entirely.

    And the rest of it. Is it me, or does this whole document scream Amateur Hour at Psyops HQ? If this is the level of sophistication of their “human behaviour profiling”, then – as a British taxpayer – I want my money back.

    And “Squeaky Dolphin”? Who dreams up these codenames? (And what does their pyschiatrist say about it all?)

    *Intelligence* services. Pfft.

  491. Wonder if P Andrew’s activities in Bahrain come into the view of GCHQ’a Squeaky Dolphin project?

    Mon 13 Jan 2014
    Prince Andrew to visit protest-hit Bahrain

    The Duke of York is set to visit he protest-hit country of Bahrain on an official visit.

    Prince Andrew’s trip begins tomorrow and comes after the Government requested he to travelled to the Middle Eastern state.
    The Duke of York will begin his visit to Bahrain tomorrow. The Duke of York will begin his visit to Bahrain tomorrow. Credit: Alastair Grant/PA Wire
    Bahrain’s government, dominated by members of its royal family, has been accused by campaigning groups of a string of human rights abuses since 2011.

    Critics claim little has changed since then and trouble has flared up consistently since those first demonstrations.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-13/prince-andrew-to-visit-protest-hit-bahrain/

    He, the arms manufacturers and his cronies in the ComDem Koalition are quite revolting.

    ‘Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT) has called for Prince Andrew to speak out against the government repression taking place in Bahrain and has renewed calls for the UK government to cease all arms exports to the oppressive Bahraini regime.

    The call comes as Prince Andrew heads to Bahrain to join the government in celebrating GREAT British Week at the Bahrain International Circuit. GREAT British Week will run from 15 — 22 January in conjunction with the third Bahrain International Air Show. Organisers say that the events are to mark the ’200 years of friendship between the UK and Bahrain’ and will be attended by a 250 strong British trade delegation; including Prince Andrew, representatives from the UK government and a number of major arms companies, including Rolls Royce (Aero) and BAE Systems, who will be promoting sales of its Typhoon fighter jets.

    The event follows the suspension of national reconciliation talks in Bahrain and the Stop The Shipment campaign, which succeeded in stopping a huge shipment of South Korean tear gas canisters to Bahrain. Following a high profile, multimedia campaign DAPA, South Korea’s arms export licensing agency, announced that due to political instability and pressure from international rights groups they will cease all tear gas exports to the Bahraini dictatorship.’
    /.
    http://www.pressenza.com/2014/01/campaigners-call-uk-halt-arms-exports-bahrain-prince-andrew-joins-sales-drive/

  492. Interesting discussion of Obama and his family’s connections to the CIA:

    http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/wayne-madsen-obama-all-in-the-company.pdf

    Similar research was used to produce the book covered in this interview:

    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/01/10/bfp-exclusive-interview-with-andrew-kreig-the-cia-global-empire-the-u-s-presidency/

  493. Scarlett is involved in yet more adverse publicity. Better ditch Sodastream Scarlett or is it the money from Messrs Cohen and Birnbaum and co that’s keeping you tied to them?

    An ad created by Israeli company SodaStream to air during the Super Bowl has been rejected by Fox, the network carrying the big game, because it contains a dig at big soda manufacturers Coca-Cola and Pepsi, it was reported over the weekend.

    /..

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/scarlett-johansson-sodastream-ad-nixed-for-super-bowl/

    http://sodastream.investorroom.com/directors

    ‘Controversy

    The EU’s highest court ruled in 2010 that Sodastream was not entitled to claim a “Made in Israel” exemption from EU customs payments for products manufactured in the West Bank because Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territory are outside of the territorial scope of the EC-Israel Agreement.

    Sodastream has been criticized for operating their manufacturing plant in the West Bank. Sodastream employs 900 West Bank Palestinians. According to Daniel Birnbaum, CEO of SodaStream, their factories are “apolitical” and they provide Palestinian employees with “respectable employment opportunities and an appropriate salary and benefits”. Activists have responded that SodaStream is just exploiting local cheap labor.

    The United Church of Canada launched a campaign to boycott Sodastream’s products manufactured in the West Bank on land occupied by Israel since the 1967 Six-Day War. According to church leader Gary Paterson, the objectives were to “live out God’s mission in the world” and “bring peace with justice to the Holy Land”.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodastream

  494. A google alert sent this

    28 January 2014, 10:36

    CIA front “Premier Executives” exposed by former UK ambassador

    In an interview with the Voice of Russia the former UK Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray revealed that over 127 rendition flights had taken place during Mr. Murray’s tenure as ambassador and the no less than 127 people who were renditioned to Uzbekistan by the Central Intelligence Agency were never flown out of the country and never heard from again.

    Mr. Murray raised the issue with the authorities in the United Kingdom, his home country, and faced extreme backlash for doing so. He claims that most likely every person on those flights was later killed.

    It was revealed to Mr. Murray by pilots operating the flights and working for the CIA that they were working for a company called Premier Executives out of the state of South Carolina in the US. Premier Executives is a private carrier used by the CIA and is a CIA front company set up to facilitate extraordinary rendition flights, which appear to be flights of no return.

    Full interview to be published soon here on the Voice of Russia.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_01_28/CIA-front-Premier-Executives-exposed-by-former-UK-ambassador-3673/

    Terrible – even to read about it.

  495. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    28 Jan, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    Fred

    “I wouldn’t do that, I’d rather just put it (ie, money) away in a drawer.

    Then I’d know it was safe.”
    __________________

    But would it be safe,, Fred? It might get stolen by someone breaking into your house. And in that event it wouldn’t be covered by the £85.000 deposit guarantee scheme.
    I advise you to reconsider.

  496. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    28 Jan, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Fred

    as an after-thought : and supposing your house burned down?

    I’m very concerned for your money, Fred.

  497. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    28 Jan, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    Questions to no one in particular (but, as always, all are free to respond!) :

    Could a blog like Craig Murray’s operate freely in Russia, China, Iran, Syria or Cuba?

    Could a blog like Craig Murray’s operate freely on the United States?

  498. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    28 Jan, 2014 - 3:45 pm

    “PS Suggestions for the collective nouns for royal residences?”
    ______________________

    How about : “a National Heritage” ?

  499. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    28 Jan, 2014 - 3:59 pm

    In accordance with Craig Murray’s injunction that one should not ascribe motives to posters, I shall not comment on your refusal to tell us why you learnt Russian.

    However, I’ll allow myself to interpret your refusal to say whether or not you regret the demise of the Soviet Union as signifying that you do regret that demise.

    I think that’s fair enough.

  500. “Could a blog like Craig Murray’s operate freely in Russia, China, Iran, Syria or Cuba?”

    What differentiates those countries from the US and UK is that they’re all subject to active and ongoing internal attack from forces with external assistance.

    Despite the blethering from politicians in the US and UK the same does not apply. What minor disgruntlement you get here is well infiltrated and managed by internal security, and there’s no external assistance.

    What we’re living with at the moment is a situation in which the West has no known predators to speak of and that’s why they’re acting so rashly, in economic and military terms. It could of course all still go pear-shaped.

    So, Craig’s blog and others like it are a minor nuisance to western elites but would represent a much greater challenge in the countries mentioned above.

  501. Clive James learnt Russian so that he could enjoy Pushkin in the original.

    Habby has such limited horizons.

  502. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    28 Jan, 2014 - 4:45 pm

    Herbie

    So I think you agree that a blog like Craig Murray’s could not operate freely in Russia, China, Iran, Syria and Cuba.

    Reason : it would represent a “challenge” to those govts.

    Anyone else care to stick their neck out? :)

  503. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    28 Jan, 2014 - 4:48 pm

    Herbie

    “What minor disgruntlement you get here is well infiltrated and managed by internal security,…”
    ________________

    Puzzled! Are you saying that this blog is managed by internal security?

  504. Regarding freedom of expression …. the west vs the rest.
    From Medialens latest email alert:

    “The Russian-born filmmaker Andre Vltchek, who has travelled the world extensively in making his documentaries, relates his experience of appearing in the media in different countries. He observes that when he speaks in China, he does so uncensored:

    ‘I was on CCTV – their National TV – and for half an hour I was talking about very sensitive issues. And I felt much freer in Beijing than when the BBC interviews me, because the BBC doesn’t even let me speak, without demanding a full account of what exactly I am intending to say.’ (Noam Chomsky and Andre Vltchek, On Western Terrorism: From Hiroshima to Drone Warfare, Pluto Press, London, 2013, p. 31)

    Vltchek continued:

    ‘people in the West are so used to thinking that we are so democratic in terms of the way our media is run and covers the stories. Even if we know it’s not the case, we still, subconsciously, expect that it’s still somehow better than in other places and it is actually shocking when we realize that a place like China or Turkey or Iran would run more unedited or uncensored pieces than our own mainstream media outlets. Let me put it this way: Chinese television and newspapers are much more critical of their economic and political system than our television stations or newspapers are of ours. Imagine ABC, CBS, or NBC [major US television stations] coming on air and beginning to question the basics of capitalism or the Western parliamentary system.’ (Ibid., p. 32)”

    Read it all here:
    http://medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=753:propaganda-the-dominant-grand-narrative-of-our-time&catid=52:alerts-2014&Itemid=245

  505. I was thinking more of protest groups, habby. You’ll have seen the stories of infiltration and agents provocateur and so on.

    Western elites don’t much mind what people discuss in blogs, so long as it’s not coordinated with direct action, and anyway there’s so much fog of distraction and drivel out there that most people haven’t a clue what’s going on.

    In those countries you mention they are facing a coordinated external threat and you can see that in Ukraine, Russia, Syria, Iran etc. They’re doing what the West would do and indeed has done in similar circumstances. The history of the US and UK is quite revealing in that regard.

    So, again your appeals to some form of exceptionalism at work in the West turns out to be no more than a figment of your imagination, brought about no doubt by your quite curious ignorance of the facts and inability to form a judgement.

  506. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSkn5Mk10Y0 Peter Paul and Mary
    Where Have All The Flowers Gone?

    BBC News had Billy Bragg on speaking from Exeter about Pete. He finished singing the Where Have All The Flowers Gone? They cut him off before he could sing the last three verses. ‘Out of time’. Of course they were in case people got the message that wars kill people.

    Where have all the soldiers gone, long time passing?
    Where have all the soldiers gone, long time ago?
    Where have all the soldiers gone?
    Gone to graveyards, everyone.
    Oh, when will they ever learn?
    Oh, when will they ever learn?

    Where have all the graveyards gone, long time passing?
    Where have all the graveyards gone, long time ago?
    Where have all the graveyards gone?
    Gone to flowers, everyone.
    Oh, when will they ever learn?
    Oh, when will they ever learn?

    Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing?
    Where have all the flowers gone, long time ago?
    Where have all the flowers gone?
    Young girls have picked them everyone.
    Oh, when will they ever learn?
    Oh, when will they ever learn?

    ~~~

    Obomber said of Pete Seeger.

    “Once called ‘America’s tuning fork’, Pete Seeger believed deeply in the power of song,”.

    “But more importantly, he believed in the power of community.”

    “To stand up for what’s right, speak out against what’s wrong, and move this country closer to the America he knew we could be.”

    “Over the years, Pete used his voice – and his hammer – to strike blows for worker’s rights and civil rights; world peace and environmental conservation. And he always invited us to sing along.”

    “For reminding us where we come from and showing us where we need to go, we will always be grateful to Pete Seeger. Michelle and I send our thoughts and prayers to Pete’s family and all those who loved him.”.

    Hypocrite.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25923852

    I have always loved this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UKvpONl3No

  507. This article throws up a newfound drang by Ms. von der Leyen and Herr Steinmeier to up Germany, the powerhouse of Europe, and its military projection abroad.

    For our Belgian armchair contingent, should we throw NATO mout of its new building and use it for a European peace and defence force?

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-considers-increasing-role-in-foreign-military-missions-a-945771.html

  508. Mary

    Billy Bragg was on Radio 4′s ‘Any Questions’ during Operation Cast Lead. The mealy mouthed sell-out offered no support to the Palestinians and instead stressed Israel’s right to self-defence.
    A few years later, I had a protracted email conversation with him. I summerise it thus:

    Me: you had an opportunity to stick up for the most oppressed people on Earth during some of their darkest days and you didn’t.
    Him: I’m a good guy, look at the lyrics of my songs.
    Me: Yeah, but when it counted, you didn’t stand up.
    Him : But I’m a good guy, look at the lyrics of my songs.
    Yeah, but what about the Palestinians.
    Him: But I’m a good guy, look at the lyrics of my songs.
    Me: Oh fuck off you hypocrite.

  509. Very strange A Node. I do not disbelieve what you say but it does seem to be at odds with his part in these productions.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_for_Palestine

    http://www.irishleftreview.org/2010/06/02/listening-billy-braggs-rachel-corrie/

    Unlike many other performers, he does not appear to have performed in Israel either, unlike Morrissey, Madonna and Elton John and so on.

  510. Launch of the Jerusalem Report in Parliament

    EVENTS / Posted by Friends of Al-Aqsa / Wednesday, 05th February, 2014

    To draw attention to the challenges faced by Palestinian citizens living in Jerusalem in light of Israeli Policies.

    The report will cover:
    •Historic Overview: An Introduction to Jerusalem
    •The Status of Palestinian Jerusalemites, 1967 – present
    •Protecting Jerusalem’s Palestinian Cultural Heritage

    Speakers include:

    * Megan Driscoll, Advocacy Officer, Coalition for Jerusalem (based in Jerusalem)
    * Ismail Patel, Chair of Friends of Al-Aqsa
    * Linda Ramsden, Director of Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions UK
    * Yasmin Qureshi MP

    The launch will be held on Wednesday 5 February 2014 from 18:30 – 20:00 at the Grimmond Room, Portcullis House, Houses of Parliament, SW1A 2LW.

    If you are able to attend please email aatikha@foa.org.uk.

    http://www.foa.org.uk/events/launch-of-the-jerusalem-report-in-parliament

  511. “AGXIIK: Federal Takeover of Retirement Plans is Coming!”

    http://www.silverdoctors.com/agxiik-2/

  512. BrianFujisan

    28 Jan, 2014 - 7:14 pm

    R.I.P Pete Seeger

    Re Syria….

    By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
    Global Research, January 28, 2014
    Global Research 15 December 2013

    “From the outset, the Western military alliance has (covertly) supported the terrorists with a view to destabilizing Syria as a nation state.

    Lest we forget, Al Qaeda is a creation of the CIA.

    The US, NATO, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have channeled most of their support to the Al Qaeda brigades, which are also integrated by Western Special Forces.

    British and French Special Forces have been actively training opposition rebels from a base in Turkey.

    Israel has provided a safe have to Al Qaeda affiliated rebels in the occupied Golan Heights.

    Western special forces have been training the rebels in the use of chemical weapons in Jordan.”

    “This is a war of aggression. It is not a civil war.

    The New Islamic Front

    The Al Qaeda fighters integrated by mercenaries, trained in Saudi Arabia and Qatar constitute the mainstay of so-called opposition forces, which have been involved in countless atrocities and terrorist acts directed against the civilian population from the outset in March 2011.

    The existence of “more moderate opposition brigades” supported by the West is a myth. They exist in name, they do not constitute a meaningful military force. They are not the object of significant support by their Western handlers, who prefer to channel their aid to the Al Qaeda affiliated brigades.

    The FSA and its Supreme Military Command essentially serve as a front organization. The SMC under the helm of General Salim Idriss has largely been used to channel support to the terrorists.

    In recent developments, fighting has broke out between the Al Qaeda affiliated rebels covertly supported by the West and the more moderate FSA brigades, officially supported by the West.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-new-islamic-front-expanded-u-s-support-to-al-qaeda-rebels-in-syria/5361660

  513. Mary,

    I’ve spent a frustrating couple of hours trying to track down a transcript of the Any Questions programme, very close but no luck yet and I have to go out for the night. I think the episode in question must have been at the time of the Goldstone Report rather than Cast Lead. I’ll have another go tomorrow, let him condemn himself from his own mouth.

    BTW, the lyrics of “The lonesome death of Rachel Corrie” are also typically mealy mouthed … he spends most of them attacking the American Establishment, and even the few words referring to Israel include a justification for their actions.

    An Israeli bulldozer killed poor Rachel Corrie
    As she stood in its path in the town of Rafah
    She lost her young life in an act of compassion
    Trying to protect the poor people of Gaza
    Whose homes are destroyed by tank shells and bulldozers
    And whose plight is exploited by suicide bombers
    Who kill in the name of the people of Gaza

    But Rachel Corrie believed in non-violent resistance
    Put herself in harm’s way as a shield of the people
    And paid with her life in a manner most brutal

  514. BrianFujisan

    Did you miss that bit in the Queen’s xmas speech to the nation in which she praised the UK forces now facing new challenges in a changing world, and welcomed new faces from the former commonwealth countries with a shared heritage who were fighting heroically alongside UK soldiers in hot spots round the world. That was AlQaida, who now form a new battalion annexed to the dwindling UK army. Defense cuts = Chop orf their heads!

  515. Resident Dissident

    28 Jan, 2014 - 8:24 pm

    Fred

    Even if you put the money away in a drawer society has a debt to honour to you in the future – unless you expect nothing in return when you spend your cash. If your savings are whittled away by inflation I’m pretty sure that you feel that someone has not honoured their debt to you. Not for nothing do our bank notes contain a promise to pay the bearer.

  516. Resident Dissident

    28 Jan, 2014 - 8:29 pm

    Resident Dissident, 27 Jan, 2014 – 11:21 pm

    I know because I read up on these things. Suggest you do too.

    And which books would you recommend – I suspect that our reading lists may differ somewhat. Anything from Luke Harding or Masha Gessen for instance?

  517. He is a fraud then A Node. Would the AQ episode be this one 1/7/2011?

    Duration: 50 minutes
    First broadcast:Friday 01 July 2011
    Your chance to have your say. Call Jonathan Dimbleby on 03700 100 444 or email us at any.answers@bbc.co.uk about Iain Duncan Smith’s call for firms to employ Brits before foreigners; public versus private pensions; the Liberal Democrats’ role in the Coalition and bailing out Greece. Respond to last night’s panel from Bradford on Avon in Wiltshire: musician Billy Bragg, businesswoman Deborah Meaden, Work and Pensions minister, Steve Webb and Shadow Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Shaun Woodward
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0124r4h
    ‘Billy Bragg is a political activist and a musician. He spent yesterday rallying with strikers in Exeter and at last week’s Glastonbury Festival he was curator of a programme of pop and politics at the Left Field tent. In last year’s election, he helped campaign against the BNP in Barking & Dagenham, the constituency where he grew up, while also calling for change to the electoral system. In the previous two elections, he had run a tactical vote-swapping campaign to keep out the Conservatives in Dorset. “He was “hugely disappointed” the Liberal Democrats “entered into a coalition with Cameron”. Last year he announced would withhold his tax until the Chancellor acted to curb the bonus payments to investments bankers at RBS. In 1981 he joined a tank regiment of the British Army but bought himself out three months later. It was, he has said, the most wisely spent £175 of his life. As a musician his songs became overtly political in the 1980s particularly during the miners’ strike in 1984 when he played regularly to political rallies and benefit concerts. More recently he set up Jail Guitar Doors, an independent initiative to provide musical equipment for prison inmates and the Featured Artists Coalition, which campaigns for the protection of performers’ and musicians’ rights.’

  518. Resident Dissident

    28 Jan, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    “PS Suggestions for the collective nouns for royal residences?”
    ______________________

    How about : “a National Heritage” ?

    I look forward to the day when the nation can fully realise its inheritance.

  519. An e-mail from David Babbs 38 Degrees just in. Letters to MPs, petitions signed, even ads in the papers today have come to naught. More squelching of freedoms by the ConDems.

    Dear Mary,

    I wanted to let you know straight away. I’m afraid we lost the gagging law vote in the House of Lords this evening. That’s it – it’s going to become law.

    It couldn’t have been closer. On the final vote, 245 Lords voted in favour and 245 against. Unfortunately the rules mean that in the case of a tie, the government gets its way.

    Personally I feel pretty devastated about this. I’m worried about what it means for the future of 38 Degrees. More importantly, I’m worried about what it means for the future of democracy, and what it tells us about the state of British politics.

    But I also feel proud of everything 38 Degrees members did together to fight this. I hope you do too.

    There will be a lot of thinking and discussion to be done in the coming days. 38 Degrees members will need to pull together to think about how to fight this terrible law. And we’ll need to work out how we can keep standing up for all we believe in – despite the restrictions the government is trying to impose.

    But right now, I feel sure of one thing. We won’t give up.

    Sorry I’m not emailing with better news, and thank you for everything you’ve done,

    David

  520. Ottaway goes over the top and calls the police.

    Tory MP calls police on handful of retired constituents delivering petition against lobbying bill ‘gagging law’
    22.1.14
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-calls-police-on-handful-of-retired-constituents-delivering-lobbying-bill-gagging-law-petition-9078297.html

    He is chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee

    ’2009 expenses scandal

    During the Daily Telegraph expenses scandal it was revealed that Ottaway claimed for a second home nine miles south of the constituency, with another house minutes from Parliament. Ottaway apologised to constituents for his part in ‘allowing an indefensible system of allowances to develop’[23] and announced he would let Croydon South party members decide his fate in a vote of confidence. The local association’s President, Lord Bowness, chaired the meeting, which ended in a secret ballot that Ottaway won.

    Among his expenses claims between April 2004 and March 2008 were £59.99 on light bulbs and £48 for modifying a scarifier. He paid back £2,025 that he had claimed as half of the price of an orthopaedic bed and £1,400 for homeware and electrical goods. David Cameron’s Conservative head office scrutiny panel did not ask him to pay back any more.

    Refusal to meet with constituents

    On 22 January 2014 it was reported that Ottaway called the police for ‘security’ when a group of constituents – most of whom were of pension age – visited his office to hand in a petition against the ‘Gagging Law’ (Transparency of Lobbying, non-Party Campaigning, and Trade Union Administration Bill). A Met spokesman said: “Officers spoke to all parties. No offences were identified and the officers left.” The MP however is reported as saying that he would do the same again. [24]‘

    Wikipedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ottaway

  521. “Even if you put the money away in a drawer society has a debt to honour to you in the future – unless you expect nothing in return when you spend your cash. If your savings are whittled away by inflation I’m pretty sure that you feel that someone has not honoured their debt to you. Not for nothing do our bank notes contain a promise to pay the bearer.”

    So why do they contain a promise to pay the bearer then?

  522. Arbed wrote

    And the rest of it. Is it me, or does this whole document scream Amateur Hour at Psyops HQ? If this is the level of sophistication of their “human behaviour profiling”, then – as a British taxpayer – I want my money back.

    And “Squeaky Dolphin”? Who dreams up these codenames? (And what does their pyschiatrist say about it all?)

    And what to make of “Paranoid Smurf“?

    https://squonk.tk/blog/2013/12/19/the-new-yorker-state-of-deception/comment-page-4/#comment-2859
    http://rt.com/news/nsa-gchq-phone-data-263/

  523. “And what to make of “Paranoid Smurf“?”

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/01/28/nsar-j28.html

  524. @ Mary & A Node, re Billy Bragg, “Bragg supported the pro-Iraq war candidate Oona King against the anti-war George Galloway in the 2005 general election in the constituency of Bethnal Green and Bow”

    http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/Billy-Bragg/biography/

  525. Despite the misery caused by the bankers getting rich by defrauding the people not one individual banker has been charged, they are free to rob again and pay themselves obscene bonuses for doing it.

    But the CPS has seen fit to charge three men with taking food from a skip at the back of a supermarket, lied that the food was worth £33 when the fact is it had negative value, the supermarket would have to pay someone to take it and dump it.

    Proof if proof were needed that the CPS do not represent the people, they are lackeys of the rich fat cat bastards that are steadily shafting all of us.

  526. Sofia Kibo Noh

    28 Jan, 2014 - 11:39 pm

    What a wonderful surprise to find Craig blogging again, always worth reading. Also great to find so many of the old reliables commenting away. I’ve missed you all….almost….it seems nothing new has been brewed up in the bowels of Haifa Uni during the lull. Same old strategy….bore the buggers to death!

    Re Syria coverage by the BBC ……what a sick joke!

    Here in the Great Caldera the sun has just set. Legions of fruit-bats are flapping lazily from their caves and gliding down towards the forest for another noisy night feasting on puki figs and a slow but insistent drumbeat is inviting us to gather for our own feast, to celebrate the adoption of Bitcoin as the reserve currency for all the peoples of the watershed. Except that is, the Usurii of the Swamp of Morg who predatory monopoly as “trusted third parties” in the issuing and manipulating their debt-based fiat currencies.

    They claim Bitcoin is nothing but a ponzi scheme with no intrinsic value, that people buy drugs and bad stuff with it and they can’t protect us when we use it. The Usurii Dollar on the other hand has it’s value hanging on our children’s, and their children’s ability to pay the debts, and the confidence instilled by the ferocity of their warriors. Also they assure us, it is never used for anything remotely criminal, and for our own good, our bank and pension deposits can always be tapped into when bankers decide they need the money to “bail us out”. Sadly for them, their warnings are increasingly regarded as comically predictable protests from an irrelevant elite .

    Maybe one of the grown-ups here can explain to me why I should put my faith in debt-based curreny when we now have the technology for decentralised, encrypted, peer to peer trading free from parasitic bankers and their political servants.

    ……..

    OT.
    Message for Brian Fujisan from the Shaman. He notices you are still using Windows when you could install Linux easier than you could catch a cold. He says Windows is to operating systems something like what fiat currencies are to money.

    Finally since it’s almost Happy Hour in the dark, rain-soaked sump of Britania, here’s something to cheer you all up……the best of Israel meets the best of Mali. No aparteid walls here!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaCpc7osbek

  527. Makes you wonder why they call that ff-ing piece of IOU a ‘banknote‘…

    Fuk-us-hima – they surely do.

  528. Sofia Kibo Noh

    28 Jan, 2014 - 11:43 pm

    Oops!

    Correction.

    …Except that is, the Usurii of the Swamp of Morg who wish to keep their predatory monopoly as “trusted third parties” in the issuing and manipulating their debt-based fiat currencies….

  529. @Fred, did you note “the CPS responded this month that the case would go ahead, because “we feel there is significant public interest in prosecuting these three individuals” ? Which “Public interest” do they mean ? Corporate interests probably, as I would have thought that the “Public” would prefer desperate people to be resourceful, eco & recycle friendly, rather than turning to crime to feed themselves. It seems that they seek to make an example in this case, so as to deter (ie terrorise), anybody else from undermining the everything can only be sold to make a profit system, ie no freebies, even if it’s literally garbage destined for a landfill.

  530. “Utah solved homelessness by giving people homes.”

    http://www.nationofchange.org/utah-ending-homelessness-giving-people-homes-1390056183

  531. The Guardian just launched an online poll on the ScarJo controversy. So far it’s a blowout: 87% of voters (number unspecified) says yes, Oxfam should sever its ties with its recently appointed “brand ambassador.” I suspect, though, that SodaStream’s friends have not yet mobilized their forces – look for a big surge in the “no” column when they do. Still, we should be able to win this one – vote now, and spread the word.

    Poll closes in seven days (Tuesday, Feb. 4).

  532. BrianFujisan

    29 Jan, 2014 - 1:44 am

    Someone

    Meant to say thanks for that Japanfocus Link 26th @ 12;22 pm

    Sofia….

    Delighted to hear from you…

    That’s a right talented Shaman you have there in the Land of the Great Caldera…got a friend taking a look at my pc setup this weekend…. i Love the wonders of science…but very un-techy :)

    A Node, Macky…most interesting Re Billy Brag…Amazing what one can learn on this Blog…

  533. Obomber repromises all his previous broken promises.

    Guantanamo to close
    Limit drone warfare
    Stop snooping
    blah be blah de blah………..

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/state-of-the-union-2014-excerpts-from-obamas-speech/2014/01/28/dc8017a0-886e-11e3-a5bd-844629433ba3_story.html

  534. Ref Billy the Bragg and his friend Oona.

    I did not know that Oona Tamsyn King was now Baroness King of Bow (that has a nice ring to it) and that:

    ‘King, who is mixed race, was born in Sheffield, South Yorkshire, to Preston King, an African-American academic and his wife, Murreil Hazel (née Stern), a white Jewish social justice activist. She is the niece of the medical doctor Miriam Stoppard (her mother’s sister) and her playwright husband Tom Stoppard.[3] Her cousin is the actor Ed Stoppard. On her father’s side, she comes from a line of civil rights activists and successful entrepreneurs. Her paternal grandfather, the civil rights activist, Clennon Washington King, Sr. fathered seven sons.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oona_King

    I see she goes whichever way the wind is blowing.

    ‘King supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which was controversial for the constituency’s large Muslim population. This support was used against her in the election campaign of Respect’s George Galloway, a leader of the Stop the War Coalition, who later defeated her in the 2005 general election. This challenge was one of the media highlights of the election.

    She subsequently changed her views, after viewing the poor handling of Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath by the United States:

    it shows that America has no grasp whatever on the activity needed to rebuild a destroyed city. And if they can’t do that in their own country, then it’s obvious why they can’t do it in Iraq. So … I regret that we went to war with a country that has shown itself to be incapable of the very basic actions required to deal with post-conflict reconstruction.

    She however maintained that she does not regret voting for the war in Iraq, “I could never have voted against getting rid of Saddam Hussein. He was responsible for the deaths of one million people.”‘

    No irony at all in those last words considering the death toll of BLiar’s war.

    ~~
    PS Good to see Macky and Sofia here again.

  535. Bill and Melinda Gates published their annual January letter, no doubt well-read at the World Economic Summit in Davos. They said that ‘many people think the world is getting worse’ – and it demonstrably is, in terms of pollution, social instability and the widening gap between rich and poor.

    The crumbs from Gates’ table are not the answer: Martin Luther King has it – ‘We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools’ – a complete change of outlook.

    Economist John Kay in the Financial Times challenges Gates’ figures in terms which are not readily accessible to the average reader but then looks beyond the globalised centres of major cities, similar everywhere: “You do not have to venture far from the centre of Nairobi or Shanghai, and only round the corner in Mumbai, to see sights unimaginable in Norway or Switzerland”.

    Gates’ big myth – an assertion that people believe the world can’t solve extreme poverty and disease – is completely untrue.

    /..
    http://politicalcleanup.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/bill-gates-myth/

    live links within

  536. Someone, 28 Jan, 10.57pm

    Thanks Someone, great link, worth repeating

    NSA, GCHQ mapping “political alignment” of cellphone users:
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/01/28/nsar-j28.html

    particularly in view of latest news

    Huge swath of GCHQ mass surveillance is illegal, says top lawyer:
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/28/gchq-mass-surveillance-spying-law-lawyer

  537. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    29 Jan, 2014 - 9:24 am

    ‘Re Syria coverage by the BBC ……what a sick joke!’

    Nor is it just Syria. A couple of days ago R4 News carried Not Very Old Labour’s proposal to reintroduce a 50% tax band for people who could well afford it were it not that the berthing fees for their yachts have risen disastrously (as a result, obviously, of the previous government’s policies).

    The bare announcement was followed by three spokesmen explaining why this was a bad idea and would only raise 30p in extra tax. No-one explained on NVOL’s behalf why it might be a good idea. Contradictorily, in the same piece, a reporter mentioned that the proposed victims already paid 30% of all tax…rather destroying the argument that raising the level would not produce much revenue.

  538. How Pete Seeger stood up to Messrs Tavenner, Scherer and Walter….. Un Amerikan Activities Committee…

    Tue Jan 28, 2014
    Testimony of Pete Seeger before the House Un-American Activities Committee, August 18, 1955
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/28/1273074/-Testimony-of-Pete-Seeger-before-the-House-Un-American-Activities-Committee-August-18-1955

    .
    .
    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm

  539. “Huge swath of GCHQ mass surveillance is illegal, says top lawyer:”

    I wonder if the CPS will deem it in the public interest to press charges or if it’s only people who eat out of dustbins that are a threat to society.

    There’s a full transcript of the report here BTW:

    http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/APPG-Final.pdf

  540. 28 January 2014, 16:26

    I am in effect banned from being on the BBC – AMB Craig Murray
    http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_01_28/I-am-in-effect-banned-from-being-on-the-BBC-AMB-Craig-Murray-7601/

    It is obvious that 9/11 was a set up.

  541. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    29 Jan, 2014 - 12:35 pm

    ? Breaking – also reported on Sky -

    Apparently someone doesn’t like Blair. Incredible.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gshD6gbGHCw

  542. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    29 Jan, 2014 - 12:37 pm

  543. Re the hypocritical self-serving toadying slimeball

    I can’t track down the ‘Any Questions’ broadcast (no it wasn’t 1/7/11, Mary, must’ve been 2009), but I can still honour my promise to let him condemn himself from his own mouth. Check this exercise in forelock-tugging from our champion of the peepul.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-487796/How-Queen-charmed-pants-Confessions-old-Leftie.html
    Here’s a taster: “…. when suddenly there [the Queen] was, offering me her hand with a look that seemed to say: “Well, well. I didn’t expect to see you here, Braggy.” There’s plenty more where that came from.

    Arise, Sir William Bragg!!!

  544. From today’s Guardian

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/28/vladimir-putin-ukraine-crisis-eu

    Putin said. “I’m sure the Ukrainian people will sort this out and Russia is not going to interfere.”

    A former Ukrainian foreign ministry official said the Kremlin was exerting huge pressure on Yanukovych behind the scenes, urging him to deal more harshly with anti-government protesters. “Ukraine is out of money. If Russia stops financing Yanukovych, he will be unable to pay his loyal supporters,” the official said.

    Someone is lying and I know who my money is on. I note the terrorist label is now being applied to the demonstrators.

  545. I am in effect banned from being on the BBC – AMB Craig Murray

    So that’s why they played this last July?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qs5x7

  546. “The bare announcement was followed by three spokesmen explaining why this was a bad idea and would only raise 30p in extra tax. No-one explained on NVOL’s behalf why it might be a good idea. Contradictorily, in the same piece, a reporter mentioned that the proposed victims already paid 30% of all tax…rather destroying the argument that raising the level would not produce much revenue.”

    Yet strangely enough the OBR say that one of the things creating uncertainty about the public finances for the rest of the fiscal year is regarding the impact of the introduction of the 45% tax rate on the tax take. If the Govt is so certain about the impact of the 50p tax rate then I would have thought that they would have had a pretty good idea about the introduction of the 45% rate 9 months into the tax year – but apparently not.

    Shouldn’t Cable have resigned by now for selling off the Post Office on the cheap – he said we should wait 3 months to let the dust settle before commenting on what was a fair price. Well the dust has settled and it is clear that the PO was sold off for £1.8bn less than it was worth. Unlike £30 of stale sandwiches prosecution is not considered to be in the public interest.

  547. It’s the hammer of Justice,
    It’s the bell of Freedom,
    It’s the song about Love between my brothers and my sisters,
    All over this land.

    RIP Pete Seeger

    I have many tapes of Seeger’s songs and unlike some I listen to the words.

  548. Mary

    Could you explain the relevance of Oona King’s family history to the points you were making?

    Perhaps you might wish to reveal your own family tree so that we can see its relevance to your own political stance?

  549. “Trillions Of Dollars In Losses Would Be A Reason? JPMorgan Technology Vice President Dies”

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/trillions-of-dollars-in-losses-would-be-a-reason-jpmorgan-technology-vice-president-dies/

  550. Great links, Someone and Daniel, thanks. So Fukushima has officially passed the test, we can call it a sieve now. Its extraordinary that Japan can not be forced to accept outside help, soon the whole place will be so radiated that nobody would want to go and help, what utter fools!
    I have taken to use brollies rather a lot in these chaotic days, I also force them on others in the family, cause, whats going up must come down.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm10VdKKWDY
    Chris Busby in his usual style, adding his twist to opinion. Fair enough he’s been studying it all his life. Some 6.30 min. in.

    On the day Mark Carney gave his before and after ‘technical’, in parts critical, advice to Scotlands continued use of Sterling I feel like raising the spirits a little.

    These HairyMclarries have been recommended by a fiddler called Rachel, she now and then plays in Edingburghs traditional pubs. Enjoy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z3A5Tgy47M

    Good to have you back Sofia, I hope you have been behaving yourselfs during your prolonged absence from that wayward dad of yours…..:)

  551. doug scorgie

    29 Jan, 2014 - 2:21 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    27 Jan, 2014 – 10:29 pm

    “Mary is currently homing in on actresses.”

    Habbabkuk why the plural “actresses” when you know only one actress is at issue?

    “Tip to Mary : some actresses are…..Jewish!!”

    Yes Habbabkuk Scarlett Johansson is Jewish but does that matter?

    If she is advertising Soda Stream for personal remuneration only, it is important that it be brought to her attention the activities of that company in the illegal settlements of the West Bank and pressure should be put on her to stop her endorsement of the firm.

    Her Jewishness is not an issue. There are no anti-Jewish racists on this blog.

  552. “There are no anti-Jewish racists on this blog.”

    Only because you are defining being anti-Jewish as not being racist I fear.

  553. doug scorgie

    29 Jan, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    27 Jan, 2014 – 11:00 pm

    To Herbie about Saddam and Assad:

    “Presumably, if you think that the West was mistaken to consider them to be goodies, then you should welcome the fact that the West changed its mind and subsequently thought of them as baddies.”

    The west has never been “mistaken” about dictators and tyrants; they support the ones conducive to western interests and depose the others; both positions cause great suffering for the people involved.

    It is the nature of animals (and humans are of the animal kingdom) that the powerful exploit the weak.

    The emergence of civilisation and democratic institutions was supposed to prevent such exploitation. Sadly that is not the case in reality.

    The US and other western nations gang together and use their collective power to exploit the weaker emerging nations for their own gains; just as happens in the animal world.

    Dog eat dog; survival of the strongest.

    What happened to humanity?

  554. James Corbett and co discuss some of the curiousities surrounding the Snowden affair, voicing some scepticism about how the story has been sold:

    http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-813-jimenez-secker-corbett-roudtable-on-snowden-james-bond/

    Meanwhile here’s Snowden’s latest interview on German TV:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f93_1390833151

    It should be remembered that there have actually been more significant whistleblowers than Snowden in very recent years and you don’t hear so much about them.

  555. doug scorgie

    29 Jan, 2014 - 3:07 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    27 Jan, 2014 – 11:03 pm

    “John, you treat us to your views on many things. So why do you decliunbe to answer this question?”

    Pissed again Habbabkuk?

  556. doug scorgie

    29 Jan, 2014 - 3:50 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    28 Jan, 2014 – 3:45 pm

    “PS Suggestions for the collective nouns for royal residences?

    How about : “a National Heritage” ?

    Sorry Habbabkuk not valid grammatically.

    How about a thievery of royal residences?

  557. http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/01/syria-and-diplomacy/comment-page-3/#comment-439040

    My family tree is my own business. I am not in the public domain like Ms King who is a parliamentarian and a legislator, neither am I in a position to vote for offensive wars against other nation states like Ms King.

    She is yet another hypocrite.

    Her voting record as an MP.

    Voted very strongly for introducing ID cards.
    Voted very strongly for a stricter asylum system.
    Voted very strongly for equal gay rights.
    Voted very strongly for university tuition fees.
    Voted very strongly for removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords.
    Voted very strongly for a wholly elected House of Lords.
    Voted very strongly for introducing foundation hospitals.
    Voted very strongly for the Iraq war.
    Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war.
    Voted for encouraging occupational pensions.
    Voted a mixture of for and against laws to stop climate change.
    Voted moderately for Labour’s anti-terrorism laws.
    Voted very strongly for the hunting ban.
    Voted a mixture of for and against a smoking ban.
    Has never voted on a more proportional system for electing MPs.
    Has never voted on replacing Trident.
    Voted moderately against greater autonomy for schools.

    Pal of Ann Clwyd too infamous for these lies/allegations against Saddam Hussein.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein's_alleged_shredder

  558. On 22 January I said:

    ‘I am reliably informed that ESLO was once one of the many “Anons” here, then “I am the lizard Habbabkuk” and then “For the return of Habba and Free Speech”. Perhaps ESLO could verify that this is correct.’

    On the following day Eslo replied with this paranoid remark.

    ‘Mary I’m not sure why you are asking me, who you no doubt consider to be a unreliable source, to confirm what you have been told by a source you deem to be reliable. Nevertheless, the changes in the handles I used were all pretty well documented at the time. Interesting all this suggests that Mary and others have some form of network outside this blog – perhaps this is why they assume that their opponents behave in a similar co-ordinated manner. I do trust that I am on the list of those to dealt with come the Revolution – I wouldn’t want to be left off.’

    LOL as the saying goes.

  559. Mary

    You have patently failed to answer my question as to why Oona King’s family history (and family life for that matter) is of any relevance to her political views. You are being the hypocrite in expecting that right for yourself but not for Oona King.

  560. Mary

    Be assured that I do not need any help or encouragement from anyone to attack your dubious methods. Just answer my question as to why Oona King’s family history (and family life for that matter) is of any relevance to her political views?

  561. More on Sodastream

    Channel 4’s new series The Jump began last night. The series is sponsored by SodaStream, which has a factory located in the West Bank settlement of Ma’ale Adumim (the factory is in the settlement’s industrial sector, Mishor Adumim). This is the web homepage for The Jump, with ‘Sponsored by SodaStream’ prominent on the right hand side: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-jump

    More info on the deal: http://www.thedrum.com/node/138266

    Please write to Channel 4 to point out the inappropriateness of signing a sponsorship deal with a company whose factory is located on stolen land, whose water resources are stolen (80% of the water drilled in the West Bank goes to settlements), which pays taxes to an illegal settlement thereby helping it to grow and sustain itself, whose presence in the West Bank, along with the settlements, helps to destroy the Palestinian economy, and whose complicity in the theft of Palestinian land means there is little or no land left for a Palestinian state?

    The settlement of Ma’ale Adumim is built on the land of seven destroyed Palestinian villages – Abu Dis, Azarya, Atur, Issauya, Han El-Akhmar, Anata and Nebbi Muss.

    The email address to write to is: ViewerEnquiries@Channel4.co.uk

    It’s highly unlikely that Channel 4 will pull out of the sponsorship deal at this point, and, contractually, probably can’t do so.

    However, registering a high volume of complaints about this deal should make them think twice about working with SodaStream again, and this will be important in the BDS campaign against SodaStream.

    If you’re interested in PSC’s current campaigns against SodaStream (including targeting John Lewis), please see our latest update: http://www.palestinecampaign.org/pscupdate20140102/

  562. ESLO asks:

    “why Oona King’s family history (and family life for that matter) is of any relevance to her political views”

    Normally we’d expect that such background info would be of central importance in shaping one’s political views.

    In the US and other places such details are usually gone through with a fine toothcomb.

    But you find this strange. I wonder why.

    Perhaps it’s that you don’t have much in the way of expectations in this machine politician world. King certainly seems to have voted along the lines dictated by Blair Central Command, but I’d certainly argue that we need more politicians who think for themselves, so it was great to see her booted out at election. Central Command ignores things like democracy though and foisted her upon us again, initially through promoting her gob in media at every available opportunity and then by giving her an unelected seat in the upper legislature.

    She certainly does appear to have had a gilded public life, in her short career. I’m not sure I’ve noticed anything from her that one would lead one to expect her having such greatness thrust upon her, so what is it?

  563. But you find this strange. I wonder why.

    I find it strange because it was of no relevance whatsoever to the views that Mary expressed about her politics.

  564. “email from Prof. Dr. Ebrahim Afsah Faculty of Law University of Copenhagen to Corsera students”

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=5ff38c67999ca06e31f17a6351128dcd&showtopic=21000&hl=

  565. ESLO

    How can you argue that Oona King’s background played no part in the formation of her political views, when she herself has used her background as the frame for her political views?

  566. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 5:01 pm

    Fred

    “If your savings are whittled away by inflation…..”
    _______________

    Inflation is theft of a sort, to be sure. But who are the thieves? Some might feel that among the thieves are those who demand wage increases the increase which are out of line with their productivity increases.

  567. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 5:10 pm

    @ Mr Scourgie

    “Habbabkuk why the plural “actresses” when you know only one actress is at issue?”
    _____________________

    As always I’ll limit myself to correcting you on points of fact.

    If you would care to look back more carefully, I think you’ll find that Mary has slagged off Scarlett Johansson and Susan Sarandon. That makes two actresses, I believe.

    I didn’t actually know that Scarlett Johansson was Jewish; Mary probably didn’t either, as I find it difficult to believe that she would not have made mention of this damning fact (ref. former MP Oona King, cf. above)

  568. “Inflation is theft of a sort, to be sure. But who are the thieves? Some might feel that among the thieves are those who demand wage increases the increase which are out of line with their productivity increases.”

    Oh dear. Habby obviously hasn’t noticed that the only significant wage increases over the past 20 odd years have been at senior corporate level.

  569. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 5:13 pm

    Mary says (not a quote, for once..) art 10h48

    “It is obvious that 9/11 was a set up.”
    _________________

    That’s interesting. I believe this is the first time you’ve written that?

  570. One honourable gentleman who appears to have the best of qualities for being an MP is Mike Thornton M.P. Eastleigh. He has raised questions about electrical safety in private rented housing and about mental health issues. I wanted to add my thoughts to the former, that electrical testing should be like an MOT, Pass or Fail, recorded officially. No letting and no insurance until a Pass is achieved.

    But they said I would have to write to own MP, war criminal, gravy trainer, New Labour slime merchant. Huh! Today my van had to have a new Crank Sensor. Its going to set off flashing orange lights whenever I start to get angry.

  571. Were we really concerned about multicultural outcomes in public and other significant areas of life, as Ms King claims to be herself, then we’d have to look at how differing communities are represented.

    You know like are some communities under represented, and if so how can we explain this, and are other communities over represented, and if so how can we explain that.

    There was much talk during the Blair regime about Scots over running the place. In N. Ireland it’s Catholics everywhere you look. During the Thatch regime there was talk about the number of Jews in her cabinet, mostly from other Jews who were concerned that such prominence in such numbers was a tad inyerface.

    But, these are legitimate areas of concern if we’re to take multiculturalism seriously.

    No sniggering at the back…

  572. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 5:41 pm

    @ Herbie

    “Oh dear. Habby obviously hasn’t noticed that the only significant wage increases over the past 20 odd years have been at senior corporate level.”
    ___________________

    You are right to some extent, although I would extend the list of beneficiaries slightly (eg, doctors, solicitors, estate agents, etc etc).

    But I am old enough to remember noticing the high inflation of the 1960s and 1970s (I believe it was 25% in 1975?) and that was certainly caused by large groups of industrial and public sector workers gaining high wage increases without any corresponding increases in productivity.

  573. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 5:46 pm

    @ Mr Scourgie:

    “What happened to humanity?”
    _______________________

    To go by the posts on this blog, my suspicion is that it has been hijacked by you and your fellow-Eminences and that there is none of it left over for anyone else. You haven in effect, created a monopoly in humanity. Am I warm?

  574. Sheik Yamani and the rise in oil prices were the much bigger factor in inflation by the 1970s, and there were certainly massive rises in productivity in the post-war period. That’s what it was all about, at least until Germany and Japan got their engine going again.

    There was obviously a lot of borrowing in the post-war period, a massive increase in the money supply and the fall in sterling which increased the price of imports.

  575. BrianFujisan

    29 Jan, 2014 - 5:59 pm

    Summary of Israeli Violations of International Law in 2013

    The year 2013 witnessed over 20,000 severe violations against the occupied State of Palestine and its people, who have suffered a number of violent attacks and incursions at the hands of Israel, the occupying power. These violations include attacks by both Israeli authorities and settlers, along with home demolitions, arbitrary arrests and the ongoing construction of illegal settlements.

    Since the resumption of negotiations at the end of July 2013, Israel has announced almost 6200 new settlement units, throughout the occupied State of Palestine.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/summary-of-israeli-violations-of-international-law-in-2013/5366646

  576. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 6:04 pm

    Herbie

    “Sheik Yamani and the rise in oil prices were the much bigger factor in inflation by the 1970s, and there were certainly massive rises in productivity in the post-war period. That’s what it was all about, at least until Germany and Japan got their engine going again.”
    _________________

    That’s a bit of an amalgam, isn’t it?

    UK inflation in the 1960s, ie BEFORE the first oil price rise (which was anyway a rather modest one compared to what followed)??

    Massive rises in productivity in the UK (remember, we’re talking about the UK) -
    some good rises in the 1950s, much less impressive in the 1960s and 1970s.

    What is that last sentence of yours supposed to mean?

    Do you have any idea of the percentage wage rises that were demanded and then obtained through strikes or the threat of strikes in the 1960s and even more the 1970s?

  577. Tell us something we don’t know Mr Brahimi.

    BREAKING NEWS:UN mediator Lakhdar Brahimi says he doesn’t expect to achieve “anything substantive” in first round of Syria talks.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25953278

    Perhaps next time, if there is a second round, Kerry and co will not wade in with their hostile rhetoric and demands for President Assad to go.

  578. BrianFujisan

    29 Jan, 2014 - 6:32 pm

    Aye Mary …A bunch of Complete worms the lot of them…with Washington sending a delegation to G2… after the bastards had already voted SECRETLY to send more arms and Money to the terrorist canibals…ahh sorry “Moderates”….they are happy to see the carnage continue… makes me sick….

    Congressional lawmakers have quietly authorized sending small arms, an assorted variety of rockets, and financial backing to so-called “moderate” rebels fighting in Syria’s civil war, according to a new report.

    American and European security officials told Reuters that the US will provide anti-tank rockets, but nothing as deadly as shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles (known as MANPADs), which can be used to bring down military or civilian aircraft.

    US Congress secretly approves sending small arms to ‘moderate’ Syrian rebels

    Legislators voted in closed-door meetings to fund the opposition forces through September 30, the end of the US government’s fiscal year. The decision is an about-face from congressional debates last year, in which the same committees were reluctant to supply arms over concerns that American weapons would wind up in the hands of radical Islamists fighting in the region, the Al-Qaeda-backed Al-Nusra being the most well known.

    http://rt.com/news/congress-approves-weapons-syria-secretly-270/

  579. Craig’s piece is referred to in this Medialens thread http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1391013660.html
    concerning a Sunny Hundal advocating military intervention in Syria. The BBC has accommodated his warmongering.

    Syria: Call for UK military intervention from Sunny Hundal
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25934705

    Who is this Sunny Hundal and what are his antecedents? Anyone know?

  580. “That’s a bit of an amalgam, isn’t it?”

    Of course it is. Inflation is multi-determined, the three main factors being an increase in money supply beyond best fit or debasement, an increase in prices for imports and increases in wages.

    All are present in the post-war period.

    The only period when wage rises became overly problematic was in the 1970s and this was because Britain was in decline in terms of its currency, increasing import costs, the price of oil and its inability to compete with a reemergent Germany and Japan, with the other Asians fast looming upon the horizon.

    So, Britain went banking and services.

    Bomber Harris and his chums on Enola Gay were in many ways the father and mother of US and UK post-war boom in auto production.

  581. “Who is this Sunny Hundal and what are his antecedents? Anyone know?”

    He’s a Sikh. I think they’re under represented in public life, but anyone who thinks that NATO or the Arab League have the best interests of Syrian people in their hearts needs their head examining.

    Best thing to reduce the conflict in Syria would be to get the West to call off its dogs!

  582. doug scorgie

    29 Jan, 2014 - 6:49 pm

    ESLO
    29 Jan, 2014 – 2:52 pm

    Me:
    “There are no anti-Jewish racists on this blog.”

    ESLO:
    “Only because you are defining being anti-Jewish as not being racist I fear.”

    That is a typical Zionist response; a lie!

    If you have evidence of anti-Jewish racism on this blog please provide details.

    When have I defined anti-Jewish as not being racist?

    I don’t expect an answer.

  583. Inflation is a tool of bankers. Only bankers cause inflation and they do it deliberately.

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

    Thomas Jefferson in the debate over The Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809).

  584. Here’s a paper from the Cleveland Fed, of all places, which argues as I do above that wage rises are a function of higher prices, that is, they follow from higher prices rather than causing them.

    http://www.clevelandfed.org/research/policydis/pd1.pdf

  585. Remember the Flame?

    Now we are getting the Queen’s Baton Relay.

    Will the sheeple accept this latest exercise in propaganda, this time for the Common-’Wealth’ (there’s a name to conjure with) Games rather than the Limp Ics?

    Commonwealth Games: Queen’s Baton Relay route announced
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25942640

    5,000 tickets are being given free to the young, sports organisations and the disabled.

    Glasgow 2014 Ltd Directors http://companycheck.co.uk/company/SC325245/GLASGOW-2014-LIMITED/directors-shareholders

    The big cheeses seem to be Lord Smith of Kelvin (a recent recipient of the Order of the Thistle LOL) and Sir William Gammell.

    ‘Robert Haldane Smith, Baron Smith of Kelvin, KT (born 8 August 1944) is a British businessman and former Governor of the British Broadcasting Corporation before the advent of the BBC Trust. He is the present Chancellor of the [[University of Strathclyde)]and Chair of the UK Government-backed Green Investment Bank.’ Wikipedia.

    ‘[..]Gammell followed his father into business. Using venture capital, he founded Cairn Energy in Edinburgh. The company invested in several unsuccessful oilfields in the US before making a modest strike in the Pennsylvania oilfield. Gammell was appointed Cairn’s Chief Executive on its initial listing in 1989. In the mid 1990s he led the company in a radical reallocation of its assets, moving out of US and North Sea oil and gas concerns and into neglected fields in South Asia. The company’s fortunes soared in 2004, when a field it had bought in 2001 (for $7.5 million) from Shell in the Indian province of Rajasthan was found to contain close to 1.1 billion barrels of oil,[1] catapulting it into the FTSE 100.

    Gammell was paid an annual salary of £552,000 for his role as chief executive at Cairn Energy. On 1 July 2011 Gammell assumed the role of non-executive chairman.

    Gammell’s father invested in US oil company Bush-Overbey, owned by future US President George H. W. Bush. The two families became friends, with George W. Bush spending the summer at the Gammell’s farm in Scotland. George W. attended Bill Gammell’s wedding in Glasgow in 1983. The two have remained close friends. When George W. Bush assumed the Presidency, both he and Blair reportedly called their mutual friend Gammell to ask his opinion of the other.

    Bill Gammell is a director of the Scottish Institute of Sport and Artemis AiM VCT plc., and in 2004 he was awarded UK Entrepreneur of the Year. In the 2006 honours list, Gammell was made a Knight Bachelor “for services to Industry in Scotland”. In 2011 he was awarded the Honorary Degree of Doctor of Business Administration by Robert Gordon University.’ Wikipedia.
    ~~~

    Emetic needed please.

  586. “Prosecutors drop case against men caught taking food from Iceland bins

    CPS reverses decision to charge three men after outcry, saying it no longer believes prosecution is in public interest”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/29/prosecutors-drop-case-men-food-iceland-bins

    In a more open world we’d have an explanation of the thinking that led to the first decision and a futher explanation as to why they subsequently changed their mind.

    Deciding that things are or are not in the public interest is quite an important power and in the absence of openess I’m not altogether sure I’d trust these bozos and their reasoning.

    I’m sure Iceland’s going public has had some impact on their reversal but I really would like to know how prosecuting people for feeding themselves from wastebins is in the public interest. Are they thinking we’ll be seeing more and more of this in the near future and there’s some policy to take a stand now. Is that it?

    In any event whoever made the decision and their reasoning ought to be made public, and if it’s found wanting they should be moved to less onerous dutiesd that don’t involve too much thinking.

    I strongly suspect though that public interest is as malleable a phrase these days as national security, and every trick in the book will ultimately be used by the gangsters in charge to further impoverish and break the very victims of their scorched earth economic policies.

  587. Sofia Kibo Noh

    29 Jan, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    Dad.

    “But I am old enough to remember noticing the high inflation of the 1960s and 1970s (I believe it was 25% in 1975?) and that was certainly caused by large groups of industrial and public sector workers gaining high wage increases without any corresponding increases in productivity.”

    Well I’m not a fossil, but I’m old enough to remember 2013 when Uk Executive pay rose by 14% contrasted to 0.7% for most workers. I’ll let you work out where the thieves are…
    http://www.myfinances.co.uk/pensions/2013/11/18/ftse-100-bosses-see-pay-rising-20x-faster-than-average

    And while we’re on the subject of thieves, consider this. Bankers conjure money into existence by giving out loans with money they don’t actually possess. So that kind of “ money” is in fact debt certificates. Our Pounds, Dollars and Euros are simply tokens, with no commodity backing.

    In any other area of human interaction such fraudulent printing of money and fractional reserve banking would be considered criminal and the perpetrators would be held to account in a court of law.

    All of which dovetails back into Mary’s 8 24am link,

    “We need to do more than put these issues on their agenda . . . The corporate elite represented at Davos cannot be allowed to meet in luxury and pretend they have the answers to the world’s problems. They are the world’s problems”.

    Here it is again , http://politicalcleanup.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/bill-gates-myth/

  588. Jonathan Cook on Oxfam, Scarlett Johansson and Sodastream.
    http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-01-29/oxfams-silence-on-johansson-reveals-all/

    He links to the Guardian poll where Hasbara is obviously piling in. This afternoon the answer ‘Yes’ to the question ‘Do you think Oxfam should sever ties with Scarlett Johansson?’ was polling 86%. Now it is down to 66%.
    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/poll/2014/jan/28/communications

  589. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    Herbie

    “..and its (ie, the UK’s) inability to compete with a reemergent Germany and Japan,..”
    ______________________

    And with most other European countries – no good trying to lay all this at the door of just those two countries. But WHY do you think the UK was unable to compete, despite the depreciated currency you rightly point to and the fact that the entire West had to pay more for oil? Why was the UK so uncompetitive? Whence this lack of competitivity? Anything to do with excessively high govt spending and powerful groups of industrial and public sector workers extorting excessively high wages out of their employers without corresponding increases in productivity?

  590. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:30 pm

    Mr Scourgie

    “If you have evidence of anti-Jewish racism on this blog please provide details.

    When have I defined anti-Jewish as not being racist?

    I don’t expect an answer.”
    ___________________-

    I’ll give you one answer whether you expect it or not, Doug.

    The “loving” detail with which certain posters expose any possible Jewish connections of the people they slag off on this blog : married to a Jew….good friends to a Jew or two (that was about Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor)….pointing out that Venezuelan Presidential candidate Enrique Capriles’ full name (in the Spanish mode) is Enrique Capriles Radonski…etc, etc. And not to mention those unfortunates who actually are Jewish.

    Now, anti-semitism has a certain staying power, but what is porbably mosy objectionable is the sheer cowardice of those posters who daren’t come out with their prejudices openly but just provide a steady drip, drip, drip of allusions to Jewishness.

    Too many drips become a drivel.

  591. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:31 pm

    PS – Mary being by far the worst (but not only) offender, as the record clearly shows.

  592. BrianFujisan

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    Mary
    that Sunny Hundal character seems to be everywhere.

    He even pops up on a thread of Tweets about Assange…arguing that J.A should have been Carted off to Sweden Regardless of innocence, Or Guilt,…wee Dickhead. -

    “Doesn’t matter if Julian Assange hasn’t been formally charged: he should go to Sweden and answer allegations. Ludicrous to argue otherwise” – Sunny Hundal

    By the Way..That is a Strange, and interesting tread of Tweets … almost Everyone turns up… George Monbiot, Wikileaks, Suzanne Moore, John Rentoul, Medilens, Jemima Khan, Glen Greenwald, Even Bianca Jagger, amonst many others. i wouldn’t call it a must read…but many show themselves for whom they are…Cretins.

    http://assange.fivefilters.org/

  593. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:36 pm

    From Mary

    “He links to the Guardian poll where Hasbara is obviously piling in. This afternoon the answer ‘Yes’ to the question ‘Do you think Oxfam should sever ties with Scarlett Johansson?’ was polling 86%. Now it is down to 66%”
    _________________

    Which shows that once they inform themselves a little better, people are seeing through the hype and noise put out about Scarlett Johansson by anti-semites like yourself?

  594. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:40 pm

    “…2013 when Uk Executive pay rose by 14% contrasted to 0.7% for most workers.”
    ______________________

    Throughout the 1970s the annual inflation rate in the UK averaged 13%, with a peak of 25% in 1975.

    Executive pay rises or wage rises obtained by large groups of industrial and public sector workers?

  595. “On Death and Derivatives”

    http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/01/on-death-and-derivatives/#comment-143508

    A lot of deaths there!!!.

  596. BrianFujisan

    29 Jan, 2014 - 8:51 pm

    Syria gov’t slams US rearmament of rebels

    The Syrian official delegation to the Geneva II conference slammed on Tuesday the U.S. decision to restart sending non-lethal help to the Syrian rebels, saying the move aims to thwart the success of the peace talks, according to the state-run SANA news agency.

    Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad said the U.S. decision “aims at thwarting the conference,” stressing that the side which provides weapons to terrorist groups doesn’t care about the conference’s success.

    “The U.S. decision is a very bad message because Washington has launched this conference, and it should not support the armed terrorist groups as they know that the weapons, which had been previously sent, flowed into the terrorists,” Mekdad said, according to SANA.

    The remarks came a day after Western reports said that Washington has restarted sending non-lethal aid to the “moderate” rebels in Syria, after suspending its previous aid for a month.

    The latest move raised the ire of the Syrian government.

    Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi said that the U.S. decision reflects Washington’s backtracking on the political solution.

    He wondered: “How can the U.S. position be supportive to Geneva II and aim at reaching a political solution when at the same time it supports, creates and backs up terrorism, violence and the military option?”

    For her part, Syria’s Presidential Political and Media Advisor Bouthaina Shaaban said that the U.S. decision is contradictory to the efforts exerted by Russia, the U.S., and the international community for launching the Geneva II conference.

    She refuted the U.S. allegations on so-called “non-lethal weapons,” saying that all of the weapons that are being funneled inside Syria, end up in the hands of the radical groups.

    http://www.china.org.cn/world/2014-01/29/content_31338181.htm?

  597. Latest
    Do you think Oxfam should sever ties with Scarlett Johansson?

    Yes down to 64%
    No up to 36%

    The power of the lobby at work.

  598. “But WHY do you think the UK was unable to compete, despite the depreciated currency you rightly point to and the fact that the entire West had to pay more for oil? Why was the UK so uncompetitive?”

    The UK has never been competitive in the economic sense. That’s not what they do. They certainly needed to expand and build infrastructure in the post-war period, and they did that, taking advantage of Germany and Japan being a bit behind, and of course the total absence of most of Eurasia. The British elites aren’t primarily interested in an economy based on making things better than the other chap. That’s why there’s always been this snobbishness about trades. The clou really is if you look at how other European countries fared in terms of their welfare provision in the post war period, the British were way behind even in terms of that. They weren’t interested. You see the same thing in the squandering of North Sea oil revenues, where other countries have sovereign wealth funds. There’s a difference in mentality. Some countries will save for a rainy day and other more powerful countries will tend to take things as they come, quite literally.

    The British elite skill lies in banking and foreign adventure, and they’re back doing that now.

    As I showed above wage rises are themselves caused by higher prices rather than being the cause of higher prices, but you can certainly create a feedback loop.

    As ever it’s not the people who cause the problems. The shift from manufacturing to banking and services will have been planned well in advance, and even Healey’s IMF loan was little more than a ruse.

    In any event, wages aren’t the problem now. It’s the growing gap between rich and poor and the casino economy.

    If you have the faintest clue how the world works you’d know that any explanation that blames the peeps on the ground is invariably bollocks.

  599. As I just said.

    Vote at the Guardian: Should Oxfam sever ties with Scarlett Johansson?
    Henry Norr on January 28, 2014

    “Sure, Oxfam. Let’s keep the dialogue going. What could happen?”
    Palestinian Loss of Land 1946-2010
    http://f8wee1vvia32pdxo527grujy61.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ScarJo-in-front-of-maps.jpg

    The Guardian just launched an online poll on the ScarJo controversy. So far it’s a blowout: 87% of voters (number unspecified) says yes, Oxfam should sever its ties with its recently appointed “brand ambassador.” I suspect, though, that SodaStream’s friends have not yet mobilized their forces – look for a big surge in the “no” column when they do. Still, we should be able to win this one – vote now, and spread the word.

    Poll closes in seven days (Tuesday, Feb. 4).
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/guardian-scarlett-johansson.html

  600. “Prosecutors drop case against men caught taking food from Iceland bins”

    Result.

  601. Habbabkuk

    That will be prominent Venezuelan Israeli supporter Henrique Capriles Radonski who even has his own page under that name at The Times of Israel. Perhaps you could be a good chap and pop over there and tell them not to use “Radonski” and not to point out his Jewish ancestry or you’ll report them as anti-semites.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/henrique-capriles-radonski/ (Note URL)

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/venezuelans-to-elect-new-president-following-chavezs-death/

    Capriles is a 40-year-old state governor, with Jewish roots, who lost to Chavez in October’s presidential election by a nearly 11-point margin

    Btw, Habbabkuk I knew virtually nothing about the man until you got me to go Googling.

    http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/6998

    Ledezma told reporters he spoke with Netanyahu and Liberman about “the Venezuelan people’s solidarity with the Jewish community” and, “in addition, our (opposition) disposition to reestablish relations with the State of Israel under a new government presided by Henrique Capriles Radonski”.

    “In contrast to the current political policy in Venezuela”, he said, “Capriles will re-establish our historical ties”.

    …During his 3-day trip to Israel, the opposition’s Ledezma made no mention of Israel’s segregationist policies towards the Palestinians, the widely-condemned but ongoing blockade against those in Gaza, nor did he question the inhuman prison conditions currently under international scrutiny as several Palestinian hunger strikers near death.

  602. “Cut orf their heads! Cut orf their horrghghgaaaaahhh. . . . .”

    When all the UK’s vast duplicity is laid bare, will the gagger herself get de-gobbed? One must ask oneself.

  603. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 9:39 pm

    Alcanon (Squonk)

    “Btw, Habbabkuk I knew virtually nothing about the man until you got me to go Googling.”
    _____________________

    This shows, my dear Squonk, that you have not been following Mary as assiduously as I should have expected you to. I hope she will not be offended by this revelation…:)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “That will be prominent Venezuelan Israeli supporter Henrique Capriles Radonski who even has his own page under that name at The Times of Israel. Perhaps you could be a good chap and pop over there and tell them not to use “Radonski” and not to point out his Jewish ancestry or you’ll report them as anti-semites.”
    _________________

    I don’t find it especially surprising that Capriles’ full name (with the supposed Jewish connotation) should appear on his page in The Times of Israel or that it is cited in Israeli publications. It is, however, somewhat more surprising to find it lovingly pointed to in a UK-based blog, the majority of whose readers are probably Brits. What was the point of that? It cannot have been a love for accuracy on Mary’s part since she was/is happy to refer to the winner of the Venezuelan election as Nicolas Maduro rather than by his full name (again, in the Spanish style)of Nicolas Maduro Moros.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ““in addition, our (opposition) disposition to reestablish relations with the State of Israel under a new government presided by Henrique Capriles Radonski”.”
    ___________________

    This indicates that the current govt of Venezuela does not have diplomatic relations with Israel. In general, would you think it good if many more states did not have diplomatic relations with Israel and what conclusion do you draw about the overwhelming majority of the world’s states that do have such relations?

    Stop playing the ingénu, Squonk – why do you support the anti-semitic Mary?

    ********************

    “Life is getting better, life is getting merrier” (J. Stalin, ca. 1932)

  604. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 9:41 pm

    ““Gold Price Exploding In Emerging Markets””
    ______________

    Not surprising really, Someone, since the currencies of those countries are going down the pan rapidly (check out the peso, the rupee and the real)

  605. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 9:49 pm

    Herbie

    “If you have the faintest clue how the world works you’d know that any explanation that blames the peeps on the ground is invariably bollocks.”
    ________________

    I’ll forgive you the slightly patronising tone of the above but – while recognising that being present on the ground does not necessarily bring greater insight (Sir Walter Raleigh in the Tower, projecting a History of the World – you’ll understand the reference) – I should like to ask you how old you were in, say, 1975. I think you can guess why I’m asking.

  606. Habbabkuk,

    Quite simply Habbabkuk I do not believe Mary to be anti-semitic. I do believe you to be anti-Mary. I have never seen Mary criticise anyone Jewish who supports the Palestinian cause as I’ve said to you before. As there are many prominent Jewish critics of Israeli policy, it would seem certain that Mary would have attacked one of them by now if she was genuinely anti-semitic.

    All the evidence to me points to Mary being pro-Palestinian and an opponent of Zionist policies. It is therefore no surprise to me when she points out people she believes to have views strongly opposed to her own. Just as The Times of Israel points out the same people for effectively the same reason (ie supporters of current Israeli government policy).

    Your repeated accusation of anti-semitism against Mary is a false accusation.

    By the way I am currently reading “From Beirut to Jerusalem” by Dr Swee Chai Ang (Dr Ang Swee Chai) about the massacres of Palestinians she witnessed as a Doctor which occurred under direct Israeli authority in 1982 in Palestinian refugee camps. Even she was subjected to a mock execution by Israeli soldiers. As a foreigner she survived but thousands of Palestinians didn’t including many she had personally treated. It really is painful to read her first hand account account of multiple atrocities she witnessed carried out by forces consisting of Israeli units and mercenaries under their direct command. Perhaps you should read it? If Mary hadn’t mentioned the book I would never have known of it.

    Pick up a used copy from £2.81 including P&P or Kindle edition for £3.21.
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0586205241

  607. One more Palestinian has been killed in Ramallah by the IDF.

    29 January 2014
    Israeli troops kill Palestinian in West Bank
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25947618

    A ‘terrorist’ note according to the IDF.
    ~~~

    Harriet Sherwood who has reported from Israel for the Guardian is returning to London.
    She has written this very moving valedictory piece on her final visit to Gaza, describing the hellish lives being led there.

    Goodbye Gaza: our correspondent reflects on her time in the Middle East
    After three years reporting on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, our Middle East correspondent is coming home to the UK. With heavy heart she pays a farewell visit to Gaza and pays tribute to the resilience, creativity and humour of its people
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/25/goodbye-gaza-harriet-sherwood-palestine-israel

    Her humanity is plain and welcome but sometimes her perspective has been skewed.

    A small example – ‘especially during the brutal three-week war with Israel in 2008-9.’ She refers to Cast Lead. The ‘brutality’ was almost entirely Israeli as we know. An attack with bombs and missiles was planned for maximum killing at 11am on the first day. 215 children and graduating police were murdered in the first 15 minutes. Thermobaric weapons were used. Photos of the dead police showed ‘rubber legs’ ie multiple fractures from massive blast.

    And she uses the phrase ‘Israeli/Palestinian CONFLICT’. Conflict my eye. It has been, and continues to be, slow genocide with imprisonment and torture of all varieties.

    PS CIF Watch don’t like her one bit. No less than three unpleasant articles in a row about her reporting.

  608. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 10:39 pm

    Squonk

    I don’t know if Mary was the author of these posts or if it was someone else, but would you hazard a guess as to why, for example, it was pointed out on this blog (in a manner I would not describe as positive) that

    - Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor had a couple of good Jewish friends (from her college days)

    - the last few chairmen of the FED were Jewish

    - Jews were “over-represented” on the US Supreme Court?

    I can assure you that those observations had nothing to do with the gist (such as it was) of the posts I refer to.

  609. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 10:44 pm

    PS to Squonk

    In case you think that I’m imagining this about Mary, I would point out that the same observations have been made by a few other commenters whom I don’t know from Adam and with whom I have no connection whatsoever. So I don’t think you can put this down to some sort of personal obsession about Mary (whoever she is).

    And I will admit that she has toned down this kind of snide allusion over the past few months, ever since I pulled her up about it rather vigorously. So there is still hope…

  610. Resident Dissident

    29 Jan, 2014 - 10:55 pm

    If you have evidence of anti-Jewish racism on this blog please provide details.

    As well as Mary’s many references to the Jewish relatives of anyone she dislikes, might I suggest you read the postings of Guano (who has Islamosupremacist views as well e.g. Civilisation starts at Istanbul was a recent gem) and then you might wish to look at much of the information to which Daniel Rich links and there is of course John Goss’s links to all the Rothchild’s garbage. Could I suggest you research it all before you come back with a conclusion. We could of course mention English Knight or whatever that thick piece of shit is currently calling himself.

  611. Res Diss

    “the postings of Guano (who has Islamosupremacist views as well e.g. Civilisation starts at Istanbul was a recent gem)”

    That’s your evidence?

    I mean. Are you serious?

  612. Resident Dissident

    29 Jan, 2014 - 11:07 pm

    “And I will admit that she has toned down this kind of snide allusion over the past few months, ever since I pulled her up about it rather vigorously. So there is still hope…”

    To be fair to Mary, she does respond for a time when corrected. The points she makes (e.g re Oona King flip flopping and what her past political positions have been) often have validity even if I disagree – and are in fact weakened rather than strengthened by the Jewish references/allusions.

    Many times she does point to events in Israel and Palestine, and occasionally elsewhere, that need to be given wider circulation – and I have no problem with that whatsoever.

  613. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    29 Jan, 2014 - 11:09 pm

    Squonk :

    Leaving aside for a moment the question of whether Mary is antisemitic or not ( I fear we might have to differ on that),consider this very recent post from Mary :

    “One more Palestinian has been killed in Ramallah by the IDF.

    29 January 2014
    Israeli troops kill Palestinian in West Bank
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25947618
    __________________

    Now, I have read the BBC link she provided. In summary,the Israelis claim that the Palestinian attacked an army post and that a rifle and several bullet casings were found at the scene. The Palestinians for their part say that this is untrue and that the man was working on something for a Palestinian ministry.

    I suggest that you read that BBC link as well and then tell me who you think is telling the truth and why. I myself have no idea, but perhaps you possess powers unavailable to me which will enable you to rule on which of those two diametrically opposed versions is the correct one. Mary obviously has those powers, but as I’m sure she won’t share them with me perhaps you would be good enough to do so?

  614. Resident Dissident

    29 Jan, 2014 - 11:13 pm

    Herbie

    I am not going to post a long list with every instance – but believe me I could if I wished. I have pointed out many incidences of what I consider to be anti-Semitism and racism when I come across them (which is the right time to do so) – if you want to review my past postings you will find them by your own efforts. I do not keep a catalogue.

  615. antisemite = Apartheid word, as it embraces only a select few and excludes all others. Those who use it [in its current context] are Apartheid supporters. Keep on rowing now, boys. Your boat’s sinking fast and with no land in sight you’ll be in it for the long haul.

    All’s well in La-La-Land too:”The deflation “ogre” is about to devour the economies of the eurozone and the United States, according to some senior officials. The solution is hyperinflation that wipes money and all debt. Amazing mountains of money being printed out of thin-air in the US and eurozone, near-zero interest rates; credit expanding at two-digit rates; stocks prices setting record highs; housing prices rising at 14%; food becoming unaffordable to increasing numbers of people and putting over 50 million Americans on food stamps – describing these conditions as “deflation” is simply insanity and falsehood.” LINK

  616. But, Res Diss,

    You said that Guano had what you termed, Islamosupremacist views, and your best evidence, “a gem” in your own words is that he said:

    “Civilisation starts at Istanbul”.

    “the postings of Guano (who has Islamosupremacist views as well e.g. Civilisation starts at Istanbul was a recent gem)”

    You see. If your labelling of Guano as having “Islamosupremacist views” is based on such risible evidence then I fear your allegations of anti-semitism may well be based on similarly risible evidence.

  617. http://utdocuments.blogspot.com.br/2014/01/does-obama-administration-view.html

    Does Obama administration view journalists as Snowden’s “accomplices”? It seems so.
    James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, appeared today before the Senate Intelligence Committee, his first appearance since outright lying to that Committee last March about NSA bulk collection. In his prepared opening remarks, Clapper said this:

    Who, in the view of the Obama administration, are Snowden’s “accomplices” The FBI and other official investigators have been very clear with the media that there is no evidence whatsoever that Snowden had any help in copying and removing documents from the NSA.

    Here, Clapper is referring to “accomplices” as those who can “facilitate the return of the remaining” documents. As Snowden has said, the only ones to whom he has given those documents are the journalists with whom he has worked. As has been publicly reported, the journalists who are in possession of thousands of Snowden documents include myself, Laura Poitras, Barton Gellman/The Washington Post, The New York Times, the Guardian, and ProPublica.

    Is it now the official view of the Obama administration that these journalists and media outlets are “accomplices” in what they regard as Snowden’s crimes? If so, that is a rather stunning and extremist statement. Is there any other possible interpretation of Clapper’s remarks?
    posted by Glenn Greenwald | 10:41 AM

  618. Habbabkuk

    you certainly do not Live in the Uk…those of us who do, and are concerned about human rights, and international Laws…almost EVERY DAY…come up against bbc lies, and Gov.com war propaganda – which is in itself a crime in international law… that you attempt to hold up the bbc criminals over the latest Palestinian killing is very telling.

    Your most recent slur on Mary is out of order…and also an insult to many of Craig’s posters. Alcanon put forward valid points… and you turn to the bbc….. champions of truth…i think not…i think, that well over 1 million innocent people are dead today… because of the bbc lies, in several countries, latest being Syria… And the war crime of bbc Propaganda goes on, and on, and on.

    Most of the posters on Craig’s Blog who post about Israeli crimes, do so mindful that they ARE CRIMES in international law.

    Example – For the second time in only a few hours posters here have put up the same link to Israeli violations of international law in 2013, this survey was not compiled by Craig, or his Posters.

    As for the politician’s made up word antisemite…. over due time to Bin it…. Racism… now that’s a real word

  619. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Jan, 2014 - 1:07 am

    Someone. 8 46pm

    Thanks for the link.

    German GDP €2.7 Trillion…..Deutsche Bank Total Derivative Exposure €55.6 Trillion.

    ”Derivatives are what Warren Buffet dubbed “weapons of financial mass destruction.”

    Aside from more bankers leaping from high places, what happens when this one gets found out?

  620. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 7:17 am

    Fujisan

    “Your most recent slur on Mary is out of order…and also an insult to many of Craig’s posters. Alcanon put forward valid points… and you turn to the bbc….. champions of truth”
    _______________

    I think you’ll find that it was Mary who turned to the BBC, as it was she who provided a link to an article on the BBC website. (Ref: Mary’s post at 22h25 yesterday). Don’t try it on.

  621. Especially for Alastair Campbell and Lynton Crosby.

    Spin Doctors
    by Charles Fraser / January 29th, 2014

    Post modern soothsayers
    turning lies into truth
    Incompetence into
    misunderstood genius
    spinning, spinning, spinning,
    day and night
    weaving mixed messages and half truths
    spinning common straw into uncommon gold
    Corporate owned media
    angling, fishing, predicting, 24/7
    non-stop, over clover and under cover,
    finally, a metamorphous achieved:
    From bungling idiot, into mistaken, taken for granted
    Good ole boy, president Bush.
    Died in the wool,
    insightful complex visionary
    from shame to fame….
    and lame to gain, it is a miracle!!
    Lead to gold
    Democracy merely an illusion
    the truth, what about the truth?
    Spin doctors watch their spinning wheel go round and round
    never touching the ground
    quick silver spin
    They really like to watch them spin
    There’s much spinning to do
    They are tops at spinning the truth.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/01/spin-doctors/

    Miliband appears to have a team headed by Rowan Williams’ ex secretary, Tim Livesey.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/06/who%E2%80%99s-team-ed
    Couldn’t make it up.

  622. Please don’t feed the trolls. As much as I really appreciate people coming to my defence, it only provides the troupe with a platform to hurl more of their stuff at me.

    They remind me of the TV programme ‘One Man and His Dog’ where one of the tasks of the border collies and their handlers is to isolate one marked sheep and detach it from the group. They will not succeed however.

    Incidentally I never said anything about the ethnic origins of Johansson. The RI (Resident Interrogator) did. I neither know nor care. I just know that she is aiding a cruel occupation by supporting an Israeli manufacturer. Susan Sarandon was supporting an Israeli blood diamond dealer Lev Leviev by attending an opening of one of his stores.

    ~~~
    I came across these videos of another actress, a fine one in this case, Vanessa Redgrave. She speaks out.

    Vanessa Redgrave’s ‘Zionist Hoodlums’ Speech Shocks Hollywood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeGWxHvKs48

    The context is here.
    ‘When Redgrave was nominated for an Oscar in 1978, for her role in Julia, members of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), led by Rabbi Meir Kahane, burned effigies of Redgrave and picketed the Academy Awards ceremony to protest against both Redgrave and her support of the Palestinian cause.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanessa_Redgrave#Julia.2C_The_Palestinian_and_the_Oscar_controversy

    ~~~

    This one too where she condemns the Israeli attack on Gaza, 2008/9 Cast Lead, named for the dreidls given to children for the festival. The spinning toys used to made of lead. How cruel in the light of the number of Palestinian children in that onslaught.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcghebMywSI

    Interesting that the link to this video of Craig speaking at the massive protest on Saturday 10 January 2009, entitled ‘Former British Ambassador Craig Murray Stop Gaza Massacre protest..’ doesn’t work.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DkldhMYlRM

    ‘An error occurred. Please try again later.’

  623. O/T but pertinent to this blog re: Liam Fox Werrity
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1707143

  624. Radio 4 Today were putting out more anti Assad propaganda this morning, by repeating Clapper’s assertion that biological weapons such as anthrax and ricin were being manufactured. Sarah Montague spoke to this person in the studio to elaborate.
    http://www.militaryspeakers.co.uk/speakers/hamish-de-bretton-gordon-obe.aspx

    He said the project to remove chemical weapons had virtually failed. Why is that? I thought that the OPCW had been tasked with the work.
    http://www.opcw.org/special-sections/the-opcw-and-syria/

    0655
    America’s director of intelligence James Clapper has told a Senate committee that Syria may be able to produce biological weapons. Hamish De Bretton Gordon, former commanding officer of the UK’s Joint Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Regiment, discusses.

  625. This will get them spitting feathers.

    ‘Edward Snowden has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize

    Edward Snowden spent the last year revealing some of the government’s most tightly held secrets, kicking off a massive debate about the proper role of America’s intelligence services. Now, a pair of Norwegian politicians have nominated the NSA leaker for a Nobel Peace Prize.

    In their nomination letter, Baard Vegar Solhjell and Snorre Valen, who hail from the Socialist Left party, said Snowden’s revelations “contributed to a more stable and peaceful world order.”‘

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/01/29/edward-snowden-has-been-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/

  626. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    30 Jan, 2014 - 8:36 am

    Nevermind:
    ‘UEA is surrounded by three massive schools and twice daily the whole area is in deep traffic doodoo, UEA needs more than buses and cycles, its car park is bursting with cars from staff and students.
    UEA’s recycling policy is quaint and outsourced when this money should be returned and aid students. The student union is run like a business now and it has some 6 million profits at anyone time, not that this has much improved their Waterfront venue, only the student bars on campus get regular makeovers to the tune of hundreds of thousands…’ (continues)

    All sadly true. Also true to say that for anyone outside the (faceless) management cabal, they would indeed ‘do different’. Unfortunately UEA is run by accountants, for accountants. Like the rest of this increasingly unpleasant country.

  627. Only us mamluks have the strength to clear Gods good earth of this wayward permutation. Ask Izzy Demski !

  628. Google and YouTube Suppress Russian Documentary on False Flag Terrorism

    A study by Elizabeth Woodworth, a former manager of library services for the British Columbia Ministry of Health, suggests that the Google and YouTube websites, two of the world’s most dominant internet portals, worked to bury the Russia Today (RT) network’s Truthseeker series episode examining the history of “false flag” terrorism, and the relationship between the events of September 11, 2001 and “Operation Gladio.”

    Operation Gladio was a covert program backed by Western intelligence agencies from the late 1960s thru the early 1980s. During this time civilians in several European nations were terrorized in a series of deadly shootings and bombings ostensibly blamed on left wing political organizations. The state-sponsored terror was intended to influence public opinion toward such groups.

    With its September 8, 2013 debut on YouTube, RT’s Truthseeker episode notched 131,000 views in three days. Yet as the anniversary of 9/11 approached, YouTube curiously pulled the video from its search results, despite other popular channels like the MOXNEWS reposting it. “In both the RT and MOXNEWS cases,” Woodworth observes, “the viewer statistics on YouTube suddenly flat-lined on the morning of September 11 — like a heart monitor when a patient dies. The YouTube search engine had suddenly failed to locate these videos … The MOXNET version was also decoupled from the YouTube search engine for a period of time after September 11, but has since been restored to normal indexing.”

    Source: Elizabeth Woodworth, “Search Engine Manipulation. Google and YouTube Suppress Controversial 9/11 Truth?” Global Research, October 5, 2013, http://www.globalresearch.ca/search-engine-manipulation-google-and-youtube-suppress-911-truth/5352982.

    Student Researcher: Zack Kelberman (Florida Atlantic University)
    Faculty Evaluator: James F. Tracy (Florida Atlantic University)
    http://www.projectcensored.org/google-youtube-suppress-russian-documentary-false-flag-terrorism/

  629. Oona King (Baroness King of Bow)

    Voted very strongly for a wholly elected House of Lords

    What a hypocrite

  630. Our resident pain in the backside muttered something like

    “Failing, once again, to make the top spot on a page, habby is trying to make out that the OBN and establishment are innocent, that its all down to the proletariat/unions who fleeced poor manufacturing until it was uncompetitive.”

    Another often perpetuated lie to cover up the incompetence and viral stupidity of the stiff upper lips on boards of manufacturing companies. It was the greed of shareholders that forever pulled money out of companies, rather than to invest 10% of profits in R&D, take take take and never reinvest and those useless lackey CEO’s could do nothing accept carp and spar with the unions. The result was that a massively undertooled and decrapid manufacturing, car/motorcycle/ship building, your choice, lost market shares to shoddy workmanship that could not iron out intolerances, tried to continue with old machines (Triumph used machinery from 1889 to drill out their cylinder bore’s until 1976)to make customers happy with badly fitting parts, cars were bonnets and boots didn’t close due to incomp[etence of management.

    Customers began to realise that Japanese cars and bikes worked, that they started in the morning and would not leave oil on the pavement. They choose foreign cars/bikes/computers/ because they worked and all the ‘made in Britain’ could not stop the rot.

    The OBN and its shareholders, short termist banks demanding their shareholders annuities in time, all the time and with annual increases, regardless of strikes or bad sales figures, all this combined has left manufacturing to flee abroad, thanks to the fortuiutous global trade rounds negotiate, they could carry on over there with their futile agenda.

    Britain never realised that being on top meant investing in new processes and methods of manufacturing, instead they went to war with the unions rather than inviting them on to the board and make it work for all.

    The British establishment and the unions, I do not absolve them, in their insane self destruction have been pissing manufacturing into the wind, dear offender Habbakuk, go read up about the history of the British motorcycling/car industry.

  631. Have nothing to do with Johansson. She had a ‘difference of opinion’ with Oxfam and resigned. Goldring of Oxfam should have acted much earlier and dumped her.

    She should now do the right thing and dump Messrs Cohen and Birnbaum of Sodastream based at Airport City in Israel but she will not, as she is obviously a Zionist.

    The Herald Scotland piece casts some doubt on the ownership of the land on which Sodastream is based at the settlement – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'ale_Adumim. The land was stolen from the Palestinians in the Six Day War and should be returned.

    The shareholders in Airport City where the Sodastream HQ is based are –
    •Bank Leumi Investment Company Ltd. – a subsidiary of the leading bank in Israel
    •The JOEL Group – Jerusalem Oil Exploration Ltd. – a group of public investment companies (traded on the Tel Aviv and the New York stock markets) focused on energy and real estate
    •Parol Investments and Trade 1999 Ltd. – a private company, owned by Adv. Shraga Biran and Adv. Gideon Hatuka, who are among the leading real estate experts in Israel

    Airport City Ltd. is a public company, traded on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. It is counted among the 100 largest companies in Israel. Airport City Ltd. is the entrepreneur, the designer, the developer and the owner of the successful “Airport City” industrial park.
    http://www.airport-city.co.il/en/location.php
    ~~~
    It is now also up to Mr Andy Street and his ‘partners’ in John Lewis to stop stocking Sodastream products and also Caterpillar model toys. Caterpillar machines are used to demolish Palestinian homes for settlement construction. His oppo at Waitrose, part of John Lewis, should also stop stocking produce like avocados and Medjool dates, labelled as Israeli, but grown on stolen Palestinian land. The same goes for the CoOp, Tesco, Morrisons, Sainsbury’s, Lidl and the rest of them. They are collaborators in the Zionist project known as Israel.

  632. Someone
    29 Jan, 2014 – 4:58 pm

    “email from Prof. Dr. Ebrahim Afsah Faculty of Law University of Copenhagen to Corsera students”

    Yes very interesting Someone.

    “I have thus been informed that my students in Cuba, Syria, Sudan and my homeland will no longer be able to access this course.”

    As all the courses from Coursera are online the Prof’s email exposes the lie of western propaganda that Cubans have little or no access to the internet.

  633. Doug Yes I noticed that about King too. She vacillates continuously. The other day I went back to her old speeches in the ‘House’ on TheyWorkForYou. At one moment she is full of praise for GW Bush and sees him as the saviour of the Western world and then later she is full of criticism. Typical of that lot of BLiar babes who came in in 1997. Mayday 1997 was a black day for this country and the world.

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/peer/10341/baroness_king_of_bow

  634. Some evil person calling himself Abel Reuben has just commented on this blog trying to get predominantly sick and unemployed people into debt from which they might never recover. Purporting to help people on benefits with a benefit loan the company he represents charges 1737% APR. How low can anyone sink?

    My advice if you are in debt it to go to Citizens’ Advice (I know a lot of these have been deliberately closed from lack of funding from this despicable government. Speak to friends.

    This Abel Reuben falls below my contempt.

  635. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Jan, 2014 - 12:10 pm

    BREAKING NEWS

    Nutenyahoo To Save Internet.

    “The biggest challenge we face with the cyber world is protecting the privacy and security of the public. There could be a serious breach….” he said.

    http://rt.com/news/israel-netanyahu-un-internet-260/

    There’s something in the comment section for every taste. Dad, take a look at what anti-semitic comments really look like. I look forward to seeing you putting them right.

    I can’t make up my mind whether the antisemites or the antimuslimites are getting the upper hand there. It makes me realize what a haven of sanity Craig Murray’s comments section is, even with Dad aboard! Thanks to All.

    Re Mary’s 8 59am post regarding the suppression of the Russian False Flag documentary,

    ”In both the RT and MOXNEWS cases,” Woodworth observes, “the viewer statistics on YouTube suddenly flat-lined on the morning of September 11 — like a heart monitor when a patient dies….”

    Am I the only one who suspects US intelligence made offers that Jaques Clouseau, the Wily Coyote, Mr Bean and other geniuses of the big screen just couldn’t resist? Is this the result?

  636. Stick your usured gangster vulture loans to the most vulnerable so far up where the sun don’t shine Abel Reuben.

    Scum.

  637. You’re flaming a bot, Jives

  638. A Node.

    That’s right and i don’t regret it for a second.

  639. Habbabkuk, 28 Jan 3:41 pm

    “Could a blog like Craig Murray’s operate freely in Russia, China, Iran, Syria or Cuba?

    Could a blog like Craig Murray’s operate freely on the United States?”

    Actually, Craig Murray’s blog couldn’t operate freely in the UK, and is thus now hosted in the Netherlands:

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/sep/21/digitalmedia.politicsandthemedia

  640. doug scorgie

    30 Jan, 2014 - 1:03 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    29 Jan, 2014 – 5:10 pm

    “If you would care to look back more carefully, I think you’ll find that Mary has slagged off Scarlett Johansson and Susan Sarandon. That makes two actresses, I believe.”

    I must have missed that one.

    But:
    Susan Sarandon is a progressive left-liberal anti-war activist (as well as an actress). Strange that you support her.

  641. The British Red Cross, whose work in general I support, has just asked me for an extra donation in order to help with the deteriorating refugee situation in Syria.

    How to react? Seeing that our own governmenr is one of the leading players in the current destabilisation of Syria, I thought that I would look up the leading Lights in the BRC to see what connections they may have with our present administration.

    Has anyone already done this?

  642. Herbie

    I think you misunderstand the meaning of e.g. – Res Dis only provided an example.

    Just in case you need another perhaps you should consider the following:

    @Guano

    “Aangirfan has recently exposed the fact that the majority of the bankers and directors of the East India company were Jewish, same as the majority of the bankers and owners of the Slave Trade from Africa were Jewish, same as most of the bankers and directors of world banking today, the same group of people who shelter inside the safety of the leafy suburbs of the UK and get the blame for the genocides and barbarities they orchestrate passed onto the English nation, as is happening at this present time in Syria.”

    And while considering you might wish to note what Craig said in response, which suggests that he has a similar view of Guano

    “That is completely untrue, Guano. A tiny percentage of East India company directors were Jewish, and a tiny percentage of African slave owners. There are more scots than Jewish international bank directors.
    Fuck off with the racist nonsense.”

    If only some of the Eminences were as robust with racist nonsense as Craig!

  643. John Goss

    This loan spam bot is happy. Normally if they’re angry they say: very interesting blog I must give URL my friends etc

    The blogging team have swallowed Assad’s ploy that he is the legitimate authority in Syria.

    The strategy of Al Qaida and USUKIS is to make the dictators angry, to make them commit crimes against their people, to get the West to take them out and leave stooges and Qaida warlords to wreck and disable the country.

    In this case Russia has been summoned by USUKIS to annoy Qaida as well, to make them angry too and take it out on the Syrian people. The end plan is for Israel to receive UK Aid to totally control and “stabilise” Syria (as in Gaza).

    Anybody who still believes in the bogey of Russia as an enemy needs to read the advertising campaign: http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_085121

    Russia = Assad = Al Qaida = USUKIS =Saudi = global new order v. the people

  644. Link not available sorry: Catch it, bin it, kill it.

    The trolls and the media want you to choose between villains while in reality all the villains are working together against truth and Islam.

  645. Obergruppenführer Theresa May is putting through her legislation to strip passports off those she calls ‘dangerous’. What will she do with the people she has created stateless?

    Agent Cameron is giving in to the Tory partei right wingers.

    PM ‘agrees with immigration rebels’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25953053

  646. Extremely stupid old man. I don’t read beyond the title for the same reason I don’t have a TV. There is enough confusion in the world without TV or Trolls

  647. doug scorgie

    30 Jan, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
    29 Jan, 2014 – 8:30 pm

    Habbabkuk says (pissed again by the look of his spelling):

    “…what is porbably [sic] mosy [sic] objectionable is the sheer cowardice of those posters who daren’t come out with their prejudices openly…”

    However:
    Habbabkuk said to me a long time back (he will no doubt have it recorded) that he was not a Zionist.

    Resident Dissident said on 20 Jan, 2014 – 10:46 pm when I suggested he was a Jewish Zionist:

    “I am not Jewish”

    Even though he previously wrote at 10:36am 19 Jan:

    “Perhaps if there had been a few more of us around in Germany in the 1930s and 40s then the holocaust may not have happened.”

    However he has not denied being a Zionist.

    Question: are there any Zionist posters on this blog willing to say so and justify their support for Israeli expansionism and the establishment of Israel as a Jewish state?

    To remind you what HB said:
    “…the sheer cowardice of those posters who daren’t come out with their prejudices openly…”

  648. Beelzebub (La Vita è Finita)

    30 Jan, 2014 - 2:15 pm

    ‘There are more scots (sic) than Jewish international bank directors.’

    Possibly. But major international finance houses in general?

    http://www.goldmansachs.com/who-we-are/leadership/management-committee/index.html

    Not exactly hooching with Scots.

    (2% or so of Americans are Jewish)

  649. “The blogging team have swallowed Assad’s ploy that he is the legitimate authority in Syria.”

    That’s what it say on Wikipedia: “President Bashar al-Assad”.

    That’s what it says in the CIA factbook: “chief of state: President Bashar al-ASAD”

    Looks like it’s you that got it wrong.

  650. Mary

    The statement of the century: “What will she do with the people she has created stateless?”

    Earlier they tried to get food to the people Assad was bombing while living amongst the Qaida beheaders.
    Nobody should be murdered hungry by either ‘side’.

  651. Fred

    Please don’t miaow all day outside. Assad is the illegitimate head of state of Syria. Use the cat flap please next time.

  652. Guano at 1.58 pm

    Yes I know. But what is particularly distasteful is people like Able Reuben and Abourezk James are selling people problems. All these so-called short-term loan-sharks are usurers preying on the weak and vulnerable as though they do not have enough problems. That is why I find them so contemptible. I trust the vast majority who contribute to Craig Murray’s blog are bright enough to avoid these slime-balls.

  653. Cameron is giving evidence to the National Security Committee live now. Chair Margaret Becket.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/21006886

  654. Membership includes several Friends of Israel.

    The members of the Committee were appointed on 16 May 2013

    Margaret Beckett MP (Chair) Labour
    Mr James Arbuthnot MP Conservative
    Mr Adrian Bailey MP Labour/Co-operative
    Sir Alan Beith MP Liberal Democrat
    Sir Malcolm Bruce MP Liberal Democrat
    Lord Clark of Windermere Labour
    Lord Fellowes Crossbench
    Fabian Hamilton MP Labour
    Lord Harris of Haringey Labour
    Lord Lee of Trafford Liberal Democrat
    Lord Levene of Portsoken Crossbench
    Paul Murphy MP Labour
    Baroness Neville-Jones Conservative
    Sir Richard Ottaway MP Conservative
    Mark Pritchard MP Conservative
    Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale Labour
    Sir Malcolm Rifkind MP Conservative
    Lord Sterling of Plaistow Conservative
    Baroness Taylor of Bolton Labour
    Keith Vaz MP Labour
    Lord Waldegrave of North Hill Conservative
    Mr Tim Yeo MP

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/joint-select/national-security-strategy/membership/

  655. The No camp getting their argument across eloquently

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

  656. @Guano

    The art of debate is not to ignore all facts and declare what you want to believe true calling all who do not agree with you names.

    I posted authoritative references to back what I said, either offer evidence to back your case or be man enough to admit you got it wrong.

  657. Local government is in a mess.

    The poor people who live on the Somerset levels, apart from having to sustain life for themselves, their families and their animals in water several feet deep, have this nonsense going on in their county council. Who is in charge and who is carrying the can?

    £20,000 wage for ‘out of office’ Somerset County Council chief executive
    http://www.centralsomersetgazette.co.uk/20-000-wage-office-Somerset-County-Council-chief/story-20435529-detail/story.html

    Similar events to that above have taken place in two Surrey borough councils that I have heard about and Nevermind tells us about some of the nonsense that happens in Norfolk CC.

    What a shambles. What about it Pickles?

  658. “Actually, Craig Murray’s blog couldn’t operate freely in the UK, and is thus now hosted in the Netherlands: ”

    Which actually wouldn’t save him from perverse British libel laws, the threat of which led to one comment having to be removed. This is a world away from the sort of state censorship practiced in some of the other countries mentioned.

  659. Miaow, Miaow Miaow, Miaow
    Why don’t you go and catch a mouse. I fed you yesterday

  660. Well said Sandy about the Red Cross.

    I have looked at them previously but see that Bernstein of FA fame is now the chair.
    http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/Governance-and-annual-reports/Our-governance/Our-chairman-and-chief-executive

    http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/Who-we-are/Governance-and-annual-reports/Our-governance/Our-trustees

    They all come through the same revolving doors as in all large NGOs like WWF and in quangos.

    The situation in the American version is little different. Bush appointed the chairwoman http://www.redcross.org/bonnie-mcelveen-hunter which indicates that the American Red Cross is seen as an arm of the federal state. The president is another corporate person from the big business world, http://www.redcross.org/gail-j-mcgovern .

    Some years back on the occasion of Israel’s 60th ‘birthday’, I watched a ceremony when Peres presented an award to the Chair of the American Red Cross. I cannot find any link on the internet now. From memory it was being given for something to do with Israel’s emergency ambulance service in which the American Red Cross had been involved.

    We now have been sent appeals to circulate “Challenges to International Humanitarian Law:Israel’s Occupation Policy” by Peter Maurer, president of the International Committee of the Red Cross. Rot. The people of Gaza have little time for the Red Cross knowing of its associations. Maurer’s words are vacuous, clichéd and complacent. Wait for the Zionist solution and do not mention the involvement of the Yanks or the other NATO countries. There is a quote about ‘the right to life’. Of course we all have ‘a right to life’ and that includes the Palestinians. Do not bloody well debate it.

  661. @Kempe 30 Jan, 2014 – 5:30 pm

    “Which actually wouldn’t save him from perverse British libel laws, the threat of which led to one comment having to be removed. This is a world away from the sort of state censorship practiced in some of the other countries mentioned.”

    Two of the countries mentioned were China and Iran. You must have missed this comment from earlier in the thread which completes refutes your claim. Here it is again:
    .
    .

    From the latest highly recommended Medialens email alert:

    “The Russian-born filmmaker Andre Vltchek, who has travelled the world extensively in making his documentaries, relates his experience of appearing in the media in different countries. He observes that when he speaks in China, he does so uncensored:

    ‘I was on CCTV – their National TV – and for half an hour I was talking about very sensitive issues. And I felt much freer in Beijing than when the BBC interviews me, because the BBC doesn’t even let me speak, without demanding a full account of what exactly I am intending to say.’ (Noam Chomsky and Andre Vltchek, On Western Terrorism: From Hiroshima to Drone Warfare, Pluto Press, London, 2013, p. 31)

    Vltchek continued:

    ‘people in the West are so used to thinking that we are so democratic in terms of the way our media is run and covers the stories. Even if we know it’s not the case, we still, subconsciously, expect that it’s still somehow better than in other places and it is actually shocking when we realize that a place like China or Turkey or Iran would run more unedited or uncensored pieces than our own mainstream media outlets. Let me put it this way: Chinese television and newspapers are much more critical of their economic and political system than our television stations or newspapers are of ours. Imagine ABC, CBS, or NBC [major US television stations] coming on air and beginning to question the basics of capitalism or the Western parliamentary system.’ (Ibid., p. 32)”

    Read it all here:
    http://medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=753:propaganda-the-dominant-grand-narrative-of-our-time&catid=52:alerts-2014&Itemid=245

  662. Just saw this Sandy when I was looking to see what Goldring of Oxfam is paid.

    However, The Daily Telegraph can disclose that Sir Nick Young, the chief executive of the British Red Cross, saw his pay jump by 12 per cent to £184,000 since 2010, despite a one per cent fall in the charity’s donations and a three per cent fall in revenues.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10224104/30-charity-chiefs-paid-more-than-100000.html

    PS Goldring’s predecessor who left last Spring got £119,560.

  663. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    From Mary

    “Please don’t feed the trolls. As much as I really appreciate people coming to my defence, it only provides the troupe with a platform to hurl more of their stuff at me…….” They will not succeed however.
    ________________

    The aim is not to hurl anything at you or to drive you off this board : it is merely to introduce a little measure, proportion and sanity into your discourse and, whenever necessary, to correct your frequent misrepresentations, half-truths and snide little sneers.

    I think Jon once had you summed up, actually, when he advised me to simply pass by your screeds without comment because if I criticised them, you would feel obliged, in reaction, to post even more of the same stuff. That’s probably bang on – unable to admit that you have erred/transgressed, you try to show the readership that you won’t be intimidated (as you see it) by redoubling your “efforts”. More grist to our mill, I fear….

  664. Thanks, Mary, for the Red Cross info. I too have done some rummaging around and, in addition to the information given by Mary, I find that they have a “Chef de cabinet” one Caroline Leighton, whose CV includes a spell (unspecified) with Common Purpose.

    I think that I will ignore their specific request for donations re Syria. At this stage I don’t feel that I have enough to challenge them on it but I think that I need to think carefully about my future financial support for them.

  665. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:30 pm

    “This will get them spitting feathers.

    ‘Edward Snowden has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize”
    __________________________

    The poster of the above obviously has no idea of how the Nobel award process works. Every year there are dozens, if not hundreds, of nominations for the Nobel peace prize. Being nominated is of course necessary in order to win it, but otherwise it doesn’t mean squit.

    Sorry to disappoint, bit happy to inform and correct misleading “info”!

  666. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:39 pm

    Clark

    “Actually, Craig Murray’s blog couldn’t operate freely in the UK, and is thus now hosted in the Netherlands:3
    __________________

    Can you supply a little more info on why it “couldn’t operate freely” in the UK?

    Independently of the above, has any reader or poster received a visit from the police, whether uniformed or secret, for having read or posted? Been warned off? Been inconvenienced in any way? Sacked, perhaps? Sent to prison or a labour camp? Or have the UK authorities sought to make Craig’s blog unavailable in any way?

    No, I thought not. So now ask yourself whether you can say the same about any of the countries I mentioned (Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, etc etc)

    __________________________

    “Life is getting better, life is getting merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1932)

  667. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    Mr Scourgie

    “I must have missed that one.”
    ____________________

    By no means the only thing you’ve missed. And what you don’t miss, you lack. Sorry to have to say so.

  668. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:45 pm

    Mr Scourgie (n° 2)

    “Susan Sarandon is a progressive left-liberal anti-war activist (as well as an actress). Strange that you support her. ”
    ___________________

    But even stranger that Mary should have had a go at her, wouldn’t you say?

  669. “Birmingham University student protest leads to 14 arrests”

    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jan/30/birmingham-university-student-protest-arrests

    “Red-shirts ‘ready to resist’ Thai army coup, set up capital in Chiang Mai”

    http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1416916/red-shirts-ready-resist-thai-army-coup-set-capital-chiang-mai

    “Warning bells ring over British current account deficit”

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/business/2014-01/30/c_133086013.htm

    “China’s manufacturing PMI falls to 6-month low”

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-01/30/c_133085572.htm

  670. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 6:55 pm

    I really don’t know which of them I love more : obsessive Mary, sat in front of her laptop all day or Mr Scourgie with his foolish, pseudo-rational, pseudo-erudite quibblings (cf post at 14h12).

  671. Node:- Vitchek has written widely about what he sees as an anti-China agenda in the west. Whether he’s right or wrong it’s clearly what the Chinese want to hear so of course they’d be more than pleased to let him have free reign on the telly for an hour or two. Sadly the attitude to anyone with contrary opinions to the Chinese state isn’t quite as benign:-

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/china/report-2012

    As an attempt to completely refute what I (and many others) have said you’ll have to do better than one person with an agenda agreeable to the ruling elite.

  672. A correction. My ‘go’ at Susan Sarandon was purely a sentence to say that she attended a store opening for the Israeli Lev Leviev who is an Israeli blood diamond importer and retailer. Got it? Understand?

    Two Palestinian villages ask Susan Sarandon to repudiate Leviev
    Mohammed Khatib and Sharif Omar
    6 January 2008 http://electronicintifada.net/content/two-palestinian-villages-ask-susan-sarandon-repudiate-leviev/7281

    In view of her left leaning activism, why is so blind to the Palestinians’ situation.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Sarandon#Activism

    At least she is not so greedy for commercial sponsorships like Johansson.

    Endorsements

    Johansson has appeared in advertising campaigns for Calvin Klein, L’Oréal and Louis Vuitton,[124] and has been the face of Spanish brand Mango since 2009.[125] After appearing at the Metropolitan Museum of Art’s Costume Institute Gala with Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana, Johansson was announced as the face of the new Dolce & Gabbana make-up collection in early 2009.[124] She made a personal appearance at the London store, Selfridges, on July 31, 2009, to help launch and promote the line.[126] Johansson was also the first Hollywood celebrity to become an ambassador for a Champagne House, after she became the spokesperson for Moët & Chandon and appeared in various advertisements and events for the brand.[127] In January 2014, the Sodastream home-carbonation system announced Johannson as its first brand ambassador.

  673. BrianFujisan

    30 Jan, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Someone @ 8;pm 29th

    Re “Gaging” Order

    Yesterday ( Tuesday 28th Jan ) the government’s gagging law was passed by the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats – marking yet another nail in the coffin for freedom of speech in Britain.

    And as if to celebrate the occasion, three parody accounts that were critical of coalition policies closed down on Twitter – at least one after complaints were made from government officials.

    @UKJCP – a satirical account parodying the DWP, @IDS_MP – a parody account of Iain Duncan Smith and @Skip_Licker – another satirical account all closed yesterday.

    “it is not satire”-( Gov.Com). So now we’ve not just got government departments deciding what forms of public criticism are acceptable, but also deciding for us what exactly is humorous and what isn’t.

    “This country’s getting more and more like China every day.”

    http://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/twitter-parody-accounts-critical-of-government-closed-down-on-same-day-gagging-law-passes/

  674. Today I have painted the four walls of my sitting room, walked the dog, cleaned the car, did a bit of shopping, phoned a couple of friends, cooked supper, washed up and have just sat down.

    The troll must stop this pathetic trolling.

  675. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 7:39 pm

    “Today I have painted the four walls of my sitting room, walked the dog, cleaned the car, did a bit of shopping, phoned a couple of friends, cooked supper, washed up and have just sat down.”
    _________________

    Not to mention posting 14 times today so far.

    You are either Wonderwoman or then there’s two of you (perish the thought).

  676. John Pilger on the distortions of Hollywood. He refers to the turkey wherein Cumberbatch played Julian Assange.

    He ends his piece with this about Vaz. So funny.

    ‘For those outside Britain, the name Keith Vaz is not associated with celebrity. And yet this Labour Party politician has had a long and distinguished career of self-promotion, while slipping serenely away from scandals and near-scandals, a parliamentary inquiry and a suspension, having acquired the soubriquet Keith Vaseline. In 2009, he was revealed to have claimed 75,500 pounds in expenses for an apartment in Westminster despite having a family home just 12 miles from parliament.

    Last year, Vaz’s parliamentary home affairs committee summoned Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger to Parliament to discuss the leaks of Edward Snowden. Vaz’s opening question to Rusbridger was: “Do you love this country?”

    Once again, Vaz was an instant celebrity, though, once again, not the one he longed to be. He was compared with the infamous Senator Joe McCarthy. Still, the sheer stamina of his endeavours proves that Keith Vaseline is no flash in the pan; and is the Oscar Celebrity of the Year! Congratulations Keith, and commiserations, Benedict; you were only just behind.’

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/its-the-other-oscars-and-yet-again-the-winner-slips-away

  677. There’s one other comment in moderation too!

    Only the one of me btw!

  678. “US readying sanctions against Ukraine, aides say”

    http://www.france24.com/en/20140130-usa-sanctions-ukraine-yanukovich-protests/

    “Imperial Conquest: America’s “Long War” against Humanity”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/imperial-conquest-americas-long-war-against-humanity/5364215

  679. Kempe

    You question Vitchek’s partiality but don’t question Amnesty International’s.
    Amnesty International is reticent about its funding. It says that “it does not accept donations from governments or governmental organisations,” yet Wikipedia says “However, AI did receive grants from the UK Department for International Development, the European Commission, the United States State Department and other governments”. Amnesty International says it “accepts support from businesses that have been carefully vetted” but will not name them.
    In the absence of clarification from A.I. it seems likely its funding is entirely from the West. Can we therefore trust its impartiality when comparing East and West?

    My original comment was headed “Regarding freedom of expression …. the west vs the rest”
    In that vein, would you care to justify why Iran’s Press TV is banned in the UK while the BBC is not banned in Iran?

  680. “In that vein, would you care to justify why Iran’s Press TV is banned in the UK while the BBC is not banned in Iran?”

    Actually Press TV isn’t banned in the UK, they lost their license because they refused to comply with Ofcom rules. All satellite TV is banned in Iran.

  681. Fred

    Britain bans Iran’s Press TV from airwaves
    Britain took a key communications arm of the Iranian state off the airwaves on Friday when Press TV, a satellite news channel, lost its broadcasting licence.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9028435/Britain-bans-Irans-Press-TV-from-airwaves.html

  682. Habbabkuk and Kempe:

    Habbabkuk, I’ll post my link again; most of the answer to your question is there. But briefly, under UK libel law the publisher, as well as the author, can be threatened with legal action.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/sep/21/digitalmedia.politicsandthemedia

    Kempe, this blog was re-hosted in the Netherlands following Usmanov’s threats, the article Usmanov objected was re-published immediately and has never been taken down, so Dutch hosting does protect this blog.

    Usmanov could still sue Craig, but he never did because Craig’s allegations are true and Usmanov would lose.

  683. Mary, 8:14 am:

    “Interesting that the link to this video of Craig speaking at the massive protest on Saturday 10 January 2009, entitled ‘Former British Ambassador Craig Murray Stop Gaza Massacre protest..’ doesn’t work.”

    The video is still there, and I just successfully downloaded it using youtube-dl. For some reason the player fails. I’ll try to find somewhere to host the vid; I can’t put it on my web-space because downloads of it will exceed my bandwidth allowance.

  684. Fred is splitting hairs. Ofcom is the tool the British Government used to ban Press TV. The grounds were spurious. The Telegraph recognised this in its headline “Britain bans Iran’s Press TV from airwaves.”
    Here’s the Guardian saying the same thing:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/24/suppressing-press-tv-ofcom-licence

    And BTW, the Guardian piece re-inforces my point about Iran’s attitude to censorship as opposed to Britain’s. The author of the piece is “a proud Zionist” who has made several appearances on Press TV. In his own words:

    “My Zionist affiliation and sympathies are of course very well known to Press TV. But I have never been censored, nor has the company ever made the slightest attempt to get me to modify a particular view.”

    So, while you’re answering my last question, Kempe, perhaps you’ll include some examples of pro-Iranian hardliners being given free rein to say anything they like on the BBC.

  685. “Actually Press TV isn’t banned in the UK, they lost their license because they refused to comply with Ofcom rules. All satellite TV is banned in Iran.”

    That’s a true gem, Fred. Well done.

  686. Thanks for that Clark. Do you think the fact that it would not play was due to a technical blip or has there been interference, so to speak? ;)

  687. @A Node

    Did you actually read the article you posted a link to? Like the bit about Press TV refusing to transfer editorial control to the UK branch of the company which holds the license? Or that they still haven’t paid fines for breaking Ofcom rules?

    No I am not splitting hairs, I’m telling it how it is.

    Satellite TV is still banned in Iran.

    I have a hard enough time telling it how it is to people who try to demonise Iran without people trying to make them saints. They have many good qualities particularly their lack of aggression where they beat Britain hands down but when it comes to censorship they still have a lot of ground to make up.

  688. Can Italy now extradite Amanda Knox?

    A fresh appeal hearing in Italy reinstates the guilty verdicts on Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.

    Craig on the original trial

    Meredith Kercher Case
    by craig on Oct 6th 2011 in Uncategorized

    To cut through the enormous wave of rubbish that swept the net for 48 hours about Amanda Knox, I wanted to publish the text of the statement she made to police trying to frame Patrick Lumumba. It is evidence of how appalling the media coverage is that I can’t track down through the gush this […]

    The White Charger Stays In The Stable
    by craig on Dec 7th 2009 in Life

    As a campaigner for liberty, and a sucker for damsels in distress, I was looking to work up a piece in defence of Amanda Knox. Incarceration is a horrible thing. We lock up far, far too many people in the UK. Punishment is necessary in society, but there are innumerable other forms of punishment possible […]

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=amanda+knox

  689. BLiar again.

    Interesting comments in the thread commencing

    ‘Blair backs Egypt’s military leaders’
    Posted by The Editors on January 30, 2014, 1:02 pm

    ‘Therefore, my conclusion is, we should support those people in the region who want the open-minded society and the modern economy. That means we support the government here in Egypt.

    ‘This is what I say to my colleagues in the West: the fact is, the Muslim Brotherhood tried to take the country away from its basic values of hope and progress. The army have intervened, at the will of the people, but in order to take the country to the next stage of its development, which should be democratic, we should be supporting the new government in doing that.’

    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/01/30/blair-backs-egypts-military-leaders/

    Thus flatly contradicting everything he said on Iraq, Libya, Syria etc…

    ~~~~

    Apparently not so long ago he promoted Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood as ‘a force for good’. Doesn’t he know that he is a laughing stock nowadays and nobody gives a stuff about what he thinks and says.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1391086920.html

  690. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 10:23 pm

    “A correction. My ‘go’ at Susan Sarandon was purely a sentence to say that she attended a store opening for the Israeli Lev Leviev who is an Israeli blood diamond importer and retailer. Got it? Understand?”
    ___________________

    Does having a “go” at someone have to be in several sentences, or can one sentence do the trick?

    Was your single sentence purely informatory or was it intended to convey disapproval, or even approval?

  691. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 10:28 pm

    Re BLiar

    “Apparently not so long ago he promoted Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood as ‘a force for good’. Doesn’t he know that he is a laughing stock nowadays and nobody gives a stuff about what he thinks and says.”
    _______________

    Well, I’d certainly second that. My view is that he’s a bit like a performing seal, just popping up out of the water and spouting jets of words at regular intervals in order to justify the large emoluments he rakes in from various sources including the ludicrous “Quartet”.

  692. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    30 Jan, 2014 - 10:32 pm

    He’s a busted flush.

    But attention : a packet of top EU posts will be delivered this year, after the EP elections. Among them, President of the European Council, to replace H van Rompuy….

    Don’t forget – you read it here first!

  693. Fred,
    So you think that Press TV wanted to be banned in Britain?

  694. With you on this, habby.

    I’m sure Blairio is the fallguy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_Writer_%28film%29

    But not sure why you’re agin him now.

    What’s he done wrong?

  695. @ doug scorgie,

    As my uncles used to say, “When you go shark fishin’, you don’t break bread over the waters, you bring bloody bait.’

    I always mention the holocaust to bring about a watershed and see who’s who. It’s 100% fireproof [no pun intended] and never fails.

    Oh, and libel is my linesman.

  696. Mary, 10:02 pm: I don’t know, but it’s probably just a fault. The video is still there and youtube-dl downloaded it, so the video presumably can be watched on some devices. I’ll try telling YouTube and see if they fix it.

    Anyone got a YouTube account for uploading? E-mail me and I’ll put the vid somewhere you can snaffle it.

  697. First the Dutch….Now Norway -

    Norway pension fund bans Israeli occupation-profiteers after lies exposed

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/norway-pension-fund-bans-israeli-occupation-profiteers-after-lies-exposed

  698. “So you think that Press TV wanted to be banned in Britain?

    I know they were offered the option of not having their license revoked and didn’t take it.

    Do you think someone caught drink driving wants to have their license revoked?

  699. I can’t find anywhere to report a non-working video at YouTube. Probably the easiest thing would be just to upload it again.

  700. “Anyone got a YouTube account for uploading? E-mail me and I’ll put the vid somewhere you can snaffle it.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjFinAM_Tns&feature=youtu.be

  701. Fred, brilliant. Thanks.

  702. OK, Fred, my arguments with you never go anywhere. However, maybe this time ……

    The BBC pays up to £900,000/hour for drama (