A Good Idea

by craig on March 21, 2014 9:07 am in Uncategorized

Dashing off to London now to do an interview with George Galloway for his crowd sourced documentary “The Killing of Tony Blair”.  Sounds less like a film, more like a good idea.

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  1. Ba'al Zevul (I Don't Know if I can Keep This Up)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 9:14 am

    I wish you luck with that. The film will be most effective if it follows up leads given by the public with in-depth research

    Hint.

  2. I suggest that jail for life is a more appropriate outcome.

    I believe Blair is guilty of offences contrary to Section 56 of the Terrorism Act 2000.

    That is being covered up by the Metropolitan Police:
    http://thepolicearecheatingus.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/terrorism-act-2000-section-56-offences.html

    And by the Chilcot Inquiry:
    http://chilcotscheatingus.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/iraq-inquiry-letter-of-2nd-february.html

  3. I paid into that film knowing that George Galloway will make a very decent effort in exposing Blair for the callous treacherous, money grabbing, morally weak, mass murderer that he is.
    I can’t wait for the film or to see your contribution Craig.

  4. Top level Western politicians are untouchable by tacit agreement between all at that level.

  5. I look forward to George Galloway’s film and hope to hear more of his accounts.

    The crimes of democracies are rarely punished, as it is difficult to punish an entire voter bloc, so that democracies have far less practical disincentive to evil than any dictatorship whose dictator can be pinpointed for account. “This new invention of democracy is very closely connected with a peculiar phenomenon which has recently spread to a pernicious extent, namely the cowardice of a large section of our so-called political leaders. Whenever important decisions have to be made they always find themselves fortunate in being able to hide behind the backs of what they call the majority. In observing one of these political manipulators one notices how he wheedles the majority in order to get their sanction for whatever action he takes. He has to have accomplices in order to be able to shift responsibility to other shoulders whenever it is opportune to do so.” When majority opinion – in itself already a socially persuasive force – is further given political authority, it acquires an illusion of moral rectitude, meaning that democratic nations can rarely be brought to even admit collective guilt for evils they have perpetrated. Voters will at most blame the representative they themselves elected, while retaining unshakeable confidence in their collective ability to wisely elect his replacement.

    Sourced:

  6. Ba'al Zevul (I Don't Know if I can Keep This Up)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 10:08 am

    Dr. Watt –
    That approach looks as if it has potential. Unlike the unenforceable citizen’s arrest for war crimes, this could put him in a UK court for a definable criminal offence. Like it.

    “… the (Chilcot – BZ) Inquiry seems to have concentrated when exploring the legality or otherwise of the Iraq War entirely on questions of international law. The Inquiry appears to have omitted to examine whether actions relating to the Iraq War involved criminal offences under UK law.”

    I wonder if GG has considered it?

  7. Tony Blair thinks it’s a good idea too, because “killing” refers to all the money he’s made.

  8. I suppose the Hague Invasion Act is sort-of on-topic here. The US reserves the right to use military force against the International Criminal Court at the Hague – “to protect United States military personnel and other elected and appointed officials of the United States government against criminal prosecution by an international criminal court to which the United States is not party.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act

  9. I thought the project had gone cold. Craig, could you get GG to give some idea when the film might be released and give him our best wishes.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22595538/the-killing-of-tony-blair

    As I have suggested for BLiar, a cell on a cold island with a loop playing of the screams of injured Iraqi children.

  10. Let us not forget his placement as Quartet Envoy/shill for the US and Israel.

    Palestinian Authority: Israel’s Doppelgänger
    by Vacy Vlazna / March 20th, 2014
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/03/palestinian-authority-israels-doppelganger/

    The Palestinian people have been betrayed many times over, not least by their politicians.

    The author – wonderful woman.
    Dr. Vacy Vlazna is Coordinator of Justice for Palestine Matters. She was Human Rights Advisor to the GAM team in the second round of the Aceh peace talks, Helsinki, February 2005 and then withdrew on principle. Vacy was coordinator of the East Timor Justice Lobby as well as serving in East Timor with UNAMET and UNTAET from 1999-2001.

    See here how much she cares for the Palestinians.
    http://dissidentvoice.org/author/vacyvlazna/

  11. numberstation

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:10 am

    Craig,
    All the best for the interview. It would be interesting to give your perspective on the meeting with George Galloway. Are you a fan of his?
    Regards,
    numberstation

  12. Personally, I’d suspend him by the goolies from a lamp-post on Tower Bridge rather than let him rot in jail at taxpayers’ expense.

  13. The BBC has an article today “Warning over number of war crime suspects living in UK”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/26677428

    Elephant.

  14. The only hope is to persuade the covert operators that Blair works now for Putin, or the IRA.

  15. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:57 am

    http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/trq/turquoise-hill-resources-ltd?postid=22347556

    What is it with the Persian – and Mongolian – New Year (today) and Blair? And did he fly there in G-CEYL?

    Which international aid programme will be donating a percentige to the Blair assets while the rest builds a dictator’s palace? Enquiring minds would like to know…

  16. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:58 am

    * percentage. Bah.

  17. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 12:15 pm

    Blairspotting could be bigger than trainspotting -

    http://news.tes.co.uk/b/news/2014/03/19/blair-calls-for-g8-summit-to-improve-global-education.aspx

    Not on the confirmed speakers’ list, though;

    https://educationandskillsforum.org/speakers/

    Possibly because he knows sod-all about education and bribed Security to get in?

  18. [craigmurray.org.uk - Deleted; personal attack against Mary]

  19. I don’t believe I have ever had more value from a tenner than the one I contributed towards the making of this film. The most frustrating things about the Blair situation is knowing that he knows that you not only know that he is a mass-murdering war criminal, but that you can’t do fuck all about it so up yours, pleb.
    Well, that tenner has let me do something about it. Finally I’ve been able to give him a small figurative kick in the balls. It won’t kick him all the way to the Hague, but it might just might be one of a cumulative series of actions that does. And at the very least, it will be a documented testimony to follow his reputation into the future blight it for posterity.
    It’s the tenner that keeps on giving.
    As I understand it, Galloway intends to use the available donations to make the best film he can, and the more he has the better the film will be. You can still donate here: http://www.theblairdoc.com/

  20. Craig, I hope Galloway doesn’t known that you apparently disparage him by stating that he tales porkies;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/09/blair-and-kanye-west-are-prostitutes/comment-page-10/#comment-429529

  21. You might also want to chin him about his fanatical, almost comical stance on Scottish Independence, he’s become a parody of the Unionist camp, he does it with such an deadpan expression too, I keep expecting him to burst out laughing from the pressure when delivering his logically inconsistent anti-democratic take on this. You might ask him to wink or something when trotting out this BritNat boilerplate tosh. We all go forward together hand in hand brothers and sisters across the world, by one or more taking taking that brave first step.

    Craig (when back), do you really think the disastrous course the country took in Iraq in 2003 – well any acceptable line into serious rogue state territory would have been any different without Blair, or some other mug in position, the earlier military action in Iraq over Kuwait and then the sanctions all culminated in this, the schedule going back to Thatcher’s last months in office and through John Major’s premiership, they both along with many more, participated in the killing too. I think Blair will try to share and spread the blame around as widely as possible, just think the military-security-political-media apparatus of whole generations of this country’s establishment are culpable, already egregious war criminals proven by voluminous evidence . Could Blair even have stopped it if he had non-psychopathic conscience of any degree and put his foot firmly on the brake instead of the accelerator?

    Hope the film goes well, I’m could make myself available for any glamourous dashing scenes.

  22. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:01 pm

    A date for your diary -

    http://www.globalfemaleleaders.com/

    Apparently Cherie is a global female leader. Anyone know why?

    http://www.globalfemaleleaders.com/speaker/cherie-blair/

    In Zurich, like this executive jet in January….

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/61993874@N08/12951512343/in/photolist-kJtToX-dZ8QYY

  23. Ba’al

    Blair has good reason for whooping up on Kurdish Newroz for all the profits from his ventures in Iraq. Looks like the -stans and Mongolia are going to get similar freedoms soon.

    The party lasted long enough in Kurdistan for the oil to flow into corporate pockets. Maliki has now been told by his USUKIS paymasters to spend the cash on weaponry and switch the Kurdish cash off.

    Surely Ba’al would be first to be celebrating the spring equinox. I have a feeling you must be an imposter/ false god.

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:38 pm

    “I thought the project had gone cold. Craig, could you get GG to give some idea when the film might be released and give him our best wishes.”
    ______________________-

    give him Mary’s best wishes (but not mine) and also ask him to make sure that he accounts properly for all the money which subscribers have coughed up for the film. Havana cigars included.

  25. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:40 pm

    Guano, where do you get the idea I would not celebrate Naw Ruz? (the spelling varies with the location I think)? I am a Canaanite god, with strong ties to Mesopotamia and Persia. Just a little eclipsed right now by all those tedious followers of a Book….

    Meanwhile, in Albania, the Crown Agents are about to reduce tax evasion and smuggling. You know, like they do so successfully here? And it’s all thanks to Tony Blair -

    http://www.balkaneu.com/foreign-company-starts-work-albanian-customs-fight-evasion/

    The opposition isn’t happy -

    “The opposition and several media in Albania have declared that the company that was hired to work in the Albanian Customs had close ties with the former British premier, Tony Blair, who is an advisor to prime minister Edi Rama. The opposition has accused the government of making an abusive contract at the detriment of the state budget. The government has considered these accusations as unacceptable.”

    But that never made much difference in Albania. This guy has a sharp take on the common ground between Albania’s current government and Blair-era neutered Britain -

    http://continentcontinent.cc/blog/tag/tony-blair/

    Worth a read.

  26. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:56 pm

    Not sure a film is gonna remove the shit-eating grins Dubya and Blair display in public. Their lack of repentance is evidence of a dearth of conscience and such allows them to blow off what they see and hear about their governance.

  27. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    ‘The Trap’ by Adam Curtis, is blocked from my last link for copyright reasons. Try here -

    http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/145347/The_Trap_Fuck_You_Buddy_BBC/

    Another sharp and visceral take on Blair.

  28. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:00 pm

    Ben, all one can do is try and get people to see Blair and Bush in their true light. Especially, I think, Blair. Bush was led by the nose – Blair was attached to Bush’s other end.

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    Macky

    “Craig, I hope Galloway doesn’t known that you apparently disparage him by stating that he tales porkies;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/09/blair-and-kanye-west-are-prostitutes/comment-page-10/#comment-429529
    ________________

    Are you stirring la merde again?

    The link you give merely has Nevermind claiming that Craig told him GG tell lies.

    Can you provide a direct link to Craig claiming that?

  30. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    Ba’al; It’s a daisy-chain. The group-grope of TEAM USA !!!

  31. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:23 pm

    Will Farrell in an excerpt from his hour-long, in-character portrayal of Dubya in the HBO special.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIB_SMG7kv0

  32. Sofia Kibo Noh

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Ba’al Zevul (I Don’t Know if I can Keep This Up). 10 08am

    The Inquiry appears to have omitted to examine whether actions relating to the Iraq War involved criminal offences under UK law.

    I wonder if GG has considered it?

    He better have. Great to see this film is happening. A sound investment by all!

    Dr Andrew Watt .9 17am.

    I suggest that jail for life is a more appropriate outcome.

    Mary. 10 50 am

    As I have suggested for BLiar, a cell on a cold island with a loop playing of the screams of injured Iraqi children.

    Noisy Tappet. 11 13pm
    Personally, I’d suspend him by the goolies from a lamp-post on Tower Bridge rather than let him rot in jail at taxpayers’ expense.

    Seems our blood-soaked friend has got the creative juices flowing! I’d like to see him cleaning the toilets in Fallujah maternity hospital, for whatever remains of his miserable, useless life. That way he’ll get to see a tiny,but dreadful, part of the human tragedy he engineered and have to look into the eyes of his victims.

    Tony M. 1 58 pm

    Hope the film goes well, I’m could make myself available for any glamourous dashing scenes.

    Yes good luck and

    YES, ME TOO….PLEASE!!

  33. exposing Blair for the callous treacherous, money grabbing, morally weak, mass murderer that he is.

    Everybody knows that already. The film will be a safety valve.

    Look at Galloway’s record.

    - Mission to Saddam Hussein’s government after official British diplomats had pulled out

    - Formerly he did stuff behind the Iron Curtain that wasn’t suitable for British diplomats to do

    - His political party, Respect, helps keep British Muslims supporting British parliamentary-democratic illusions. And I don’t mean as opposed to violence. I mean as opposed to realising that the whole political system stinks and there is no point playing its game.

    - Some of the people around Galloway have had long records at, ahem, organisations such as the British Council and Amnesty International.

    Is the penny dropping yet?

    Yes, sure, Blair is a war criminal.

    Politicians don’t run the show. I’m not saying that’s any mitigation. It’s not. Yes, he should be tried at the Hague and sentenced to life imprisonment with forfeiture of all his many millions of quid worth of assets. I’m saying that thinking that creeps like Blair run the state is ridiculous.

  34. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    ‘The film will be a safety valve.’

    ‘His political party, Respect, helps keep British Muslims supporting British parliamentary-democratic illusions. And I don’t mean as opposed to violence. I mean as opposed to realising that the whole political system stinks and there is no point playing its game.’

    Much in that. I really recommend you watch “The Trap” -from end to end if you can, but certainly Part 3. Reagan’s (Huntington’s) democracy lite: give the people the vote, but make sure nothing else changes….

  35. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:59 pm

    ‘A sound investment by all!’

    I’ll endorse that when I see it, maybe. I don’t think your Dad is being entirely unfair for once. GG’s politically naif, and dishonesty is a word that has been mentioned in that connection. Sorry…but. Will even the fullest exposure of Blair’s activities resonate enough to get anything done about it? Or will we just get another interminable enquiry under a safe pair of hands?

  36. [craigmurray.org.uk - deleted; personal attack against Habbabkuk.]

  37. Here is a nifty little number “The Citizens arrest of Tony Blair.” Music mix
    As its Friday night its music night.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vevw36LcUm4&feature=youtu.be

  38. The proof is a click away in the handle up and to the left. Created in 2004 with the help of DoctorsforIraq the links are now granular, decayed or removed by culpable uneasiness; the images nonetheless go on, frozen on our event horizon while the survivors, the children of Iraq who endured that terrible massacre eleven years to this day, are now of age, determined with just a little help to conquer the scars of their loss, the hurt of their mental and physical pain and the memories buried deep within their hearts.

    Thank-you.

  39. [craigmurray.org.uk - deleted; personal attack, target unclear.]

  40. I remember the gorgeous one from his days on the GMC of the Labour party in Dundee.
    I better stop now, as i’m poor.

  41. Just to mention that about 2 weeks ago on RADIO 4 the lawyer husband of Melanie Phillips on LAW IN ACTION plugged an item about ARREST TONY BLAIR but the programme when broadcast proved to be a reactionary wash-out. Very disappointing. I wonder if it was put together purposely as a put down to those hoping that Blair will one day be held to account.

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 7:04 pm

    Anyway, enough of Macky and let’s think of something pleasant and inspiring for a change! Here are threes bits of news I gleaned from the media during the day and they are bit of news which can only be welcomed by every right-minded and normal person. They are all from the world of medicine and healthcare, seen broadly.

    1/. British govt about the make a vaccination for meningitis B available under the National Health Service; many will in future be protected from this killer disease as from their youngest years. Britain is the first country in the world to offer this vaccination as a part of its state health provision and it is, if course, free.

    Habbabkuk says : Conservatives care for health and the NHS. NHS in good shape.

    2/. Two adults – one of whom is a medical doctor! – are to be prosecuted in Britain for the offence of facilitating and encouraging the beastly practice of female genital mutilation. Although FGM has been illegal for years, and the practice is believed to be widespread, this is the first time that the DPP has authorised a prosecution for this offence.

    Habbabkuk says : this shows many encouraging things, first and foremost that the authorities have the welfare of the entire population at heart, in particular that of young Moslem girls who are the principal if not exclusive victims in the UK of this beastly practice. Conservatives care and will not let political correctness stand in the way of the rights of girls and women.

    3/. Govt statistics just released apparently reveal that the number of people in the UK aged 100 or over has quadrupled over the last 30 years. The increase was higher in England and Wales than in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Average life expectancy has also risen significantly over the same period.

    Habbabkuk says : this significant increase, occurring over the last 30 years (ie since the early 1980s), indicates that Thatcherism and its legacy is good for longevity; and the motto surely has to be : “more people live to be a healthy hundred in a climate of healthy competition and free enterprise”!

    One can, I think, truly say:
    *************************
    La vita è bella, life is goooood!

  43. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 7:11 pm

    Ian Cameron

    “the lawyer husband of Melanie Phillips”
    ________________________

    His name is Joshua Rosenberg. Definitely not related to the late Red revolutionary Roza Luksemburg, although both have smallish beards.

  44. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 7:14 pm

    Rozenberg, actually.

  45. Juteman

    Yes, I do too.

  46. 38 Degrees e-mail FYI

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    “Do you recognise how much influence you as an organisation have on the way people think about politics and politicians?”

    That’s what a Conservative MP said to me yesterday about 38 Degrees members. I was speaking in front of a committee of MPs looking into why people choose not to vote or get involved with the political process. I wanted to speak for as many of us as possible – so thank you to all 110,000 members who filled in the survey this week. [1]

    It really felt like some of the MPs were listening. Some of them were clearly rattled after hearing our home truths. But they all recognised that we’re a hugely influential movement – and that’s because our strength comes from the way we work together.

    In his closing remarks, the committee chair, Graham Allen MP even said:

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    I’ve never been called a gorilla before. But putting that aside, if I’d had the opportunity to respond, I would have said that our power comes from all 2.5 million of us standing together. To watch the evidence session click here:

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    Reading through your responses to the survey, what stood out above all else was a very real crisis of confidence, in politicians and the political system over all. I did my best to represent your views and hopefully I did a good job. [2] But it was hard not to get angry on behalf of us all.

    One of the Conservative MPs in the committee, Christopher Chope, chipped in at the beginning to say that this survey wasn’t representative of the public at large. And then left 10 minutes into the session. Another MP wouldn’t let me get a word in edgeways, it seemed he just wanted to shout at me, not listen.

    I know lots of us are sceptical about what happens next. But, together, we need to push for our democracy to work better for all of us. It’s too important to leave to politicians alone. What’s clear is that our movement proves that we deserve better – and together we’ll continue to work to achieve this.

    To watch me give evidence to the committee of MPs click here:
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    http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2014/03/21/38-degrees-in-parliament
    [2] If you felt that I didn’t represent your views you can write straight to the committee of MPs, the ‘Political and Constitutional Reform Select Committee’ here:
    pcrc@parliament.uk

  47. George is a wasted career. He could have made a difference, if he wasn’t so dazzled by fame and fortune, and his loyalty to the British state.
    I can remember feeling pride as the flag of Nablus was hoisted above the city chambers.

  48. Anyone know what GG is doing with all that money??

    Anyway, super news all round as Tories set for six more years, Farage likely to cause the 3 parties a major upset at the EU elections, and Scots about to vote No on independence.

    Meanwhile, nil points to the far-left, as always.

    More direct action needed!

  49. “I can remember feeling pride as the flag of Nablus was hoisted above the city chambers.”

    And there you have the far-left dunces summed up.

  50. Resident Dissident

    21 Mar, 2014 - 8:35 pm

    You could ask George what he thinks of his employer Al Mayadeen talking repeatedly about the Syrian regime’s cleansing of its opponents in their news bulletins rather than their murder.

  51. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 8:57 pm

    It was a very good idea to don the sheep’s clothing…

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/52863/anne-applebaum/tony-blair-and-the-new-left

    “Still, when the history of Britain’s Labour Party is written, the real break from socialism will probably be dated from January 20, 1997, the day that Gordon Brown, Labour’s shadow chancellor of the exchequer, announced that a future Labour government would not raise personal income taxes during its first term in office — and would not increase public spending for its first two years in office. With that statement, which took most of the Labour Party by surprise, nearly two decades of Labour attacks on “Tory cuts” and the “unfair Tory tax system” fell by the wayside, along with more than four decades of socialist assumptions: Brown was telling not only the voters, but the nursing, teaching, and public sector unions who support the Labour Party that a Labour government’s top priority would not be spending. Hardly surprising, then, that last year, when their own polling revealed that most voters do indeed believe Tony Blair is different from his predecessors, even Tories gave up trying to identify him with his party’s socialist past. They instead invented a new slogan: “New Labour, New Danger.”

  52. Anon

    “Tories set for six more years, Farage likely to cause the 3 parties a major upset at the EU elections, and Scots about to vote No on independence.”

    Maybe some imprisonment of political opponents might see Farage and his racist views in contempt with further alienation of peoples and division of the social state.

    Unification of people against oppression and institutionalisation.

  53. “Sounds less like a film, more like a good idea.”

    Wishing somebody dead Mr Murray? Not only would I have thought that risked a visit from plod but I expected you to be implacably opposed to the death penalty.

  54. I think when Blair dies I shall manage to refrain from unseemly displays of grief.

  55. Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Tony Blair was responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Arabs. Then we would have to assign to Pol Pot 10 times that guilt, Mugabe perhaps 20 times that much, the Kim dynasty of North Korea 100 times that much and Comrades Stalin and Lenin 1000 times as much. Thus in perspective it is better to get hot under the collar about godless Communist rulers than Dubya’s good pal. Finally, I don’t hold Blair personally responsible for 100,000 deaths. The question is more complicated than Blair deciding on a Final Solution for 100,000 Iraqis.

  56. Kempe.

    Irony’s gone rusty considering retrospective evidence.

  57. GutterTheQuantifier

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    Please, God, take good care of George.
    We wept when you took Bob away from us.
    And we wept when you took Tony away from us.
    But we have not lost hope.
    Please, Lord, take good care of George.

  58. Director of said film was arrested. Galloway will, I’m quite sure, find himself the victim of some Daily Mail smear quite soon. Apparently they are looking into Cheir Blair’s political career, Blair’s time at Fettes, and other such matters. Galloway should be very careful indeed if he touches on the early life of Bliar, is my guess.

    Apparently BTL wibblers are now subject to libel laws; a conspicuous example of the corruption of the legal establishment. So my guess is we all have to be careful around Bliar. His quite obvious and evident personality disorder – it really is blatant these days – is not to be discussed in polite society, it seems. This is a shame, I think. Because an open discussion of our ‘leaders’ (and Blair was never a leader of anything at all) is a good thing for society. Maybe one day it will be possible. Not at the moment, alas.

    I suspect GG will have a handy heart atatck soon. And, yes, I am this paranoid about our establishment.

  59. [Banned contributor]

  60. BrianFujisan

    22 Mar, 2014 - 1:07 am

    GREAT idea Craig… Would love to have been a fly on the wall at that Meeting…Looking forward to that film …. Though i keep thinking Cameron is getting off light..barely a mention that he is also a war criminal… Libya, Syria…bastards the lot of them.

    Mary

    Re BDS,

    British architects vote to ban Israeli group from industry association over expanding settlements

    The Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), the UK’s leading architectural association, has passed a motion calling on the foremost architectural union in the world, The International Union of Architects (UIA) to suspend Israel’s Association of United Architects (IAUA) over Israel’s continued illegal settlement expansion in the occupied Palestinian territories.

    The motion was based on a previous 2005 RIBA resolution condemning ”projects and the construction of buildings on land that has been ethnically purified or illegally appropriated”.

    Harriet Sherwood reporting for The Guardian states this is an indication the boycott movement is growing and quotes BDS spokesperson Rafeef Ziadah:

    …(Riba) has demanded the suspension of … (IAUA) from the international body, saying it is complicit in the construction of illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and other violations of international law.

    Some more @

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/architects-association-settlements.html

  61. Who are these people and where do they come from?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/cambridges-racist-may-ball-now-proslavery-song-heard-at-launch-of-event-9208811.html

    How did those from other backgrounds feel?

    ‘Tensions increased when a group at the launch party for the black-tie event started chanting “The South will rise again”, the anthem sung by the pro-slavery Confederates in the American Civil War.

    Members of the organising committee managed to stop the singing, but the incident caused deep disquiet at St Edmund’s, which is one of the most multi-ethnic colleges at Cambridge University. Around two-thirds of its students are from non-UK countries.’

  62. Thanks Brian. I had already had that from my youngest brother who is an architect. He sent a link to it from a magazine called Building Design so the RIBA motion is getting wide coverage in the construction world.

    Note that there is a mention on the creation and construction of an Israeli archaeological museum. No mention of the Palestinian history. All about the Dead Sea Scrolls.

    Row breaks out over Angela Brady’s RIBA Israel motion
    19 March 2014
    RIBA votes for suspension of Israeli architects from international body
    The RIBA has approved a motion calling for the suspension of the Israeli professional body from the International Architects Union (UIA).
    The motion, proposed by Angela Brady and backed by more than 60 members including Will Alsop, Richard Murphy and Jeremy Till, was carried by 23 to 16 with 10 abstentions in a secret ballot.
    Supporters at the RIBA Council debate yesterday argued that the Israeli Association of United Architects (IAUA) should be suspended until it condemns the policy of building illegal settlements in the occupied territories.
    Brady, who tweeted a picture of herself wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the RIBA charter, said one of the profession’s core skills was promoting well-being.
    She told Council: “Refusing this motion would send a clear message to the world at large that we as an institution turn a blind eye or by inaction support what’s going on – land grabs, forced removals, killing the state and human rights and reinforcement of apartheid.”
    She added: “We must act now. This has gone on too long. We’re at a tipping point. Israel’s illegal actions mean Palestine could be wiped out.”
    Speaking in support, George Oldham said: “Why Israel? It’s the only [country] where fellow member architects are directly involved in illegal acts. This is an entirely reasonable sanction.”
    And James Karl Fischer said: “Not to carry this motion is to make us irrelevant.”
    But other Council members argued it was the “wrong motion”, describing it as a misguided attempt to tackle an injustice.
    Anthony Clerici, acknowledging that it was one of the “most difficult debates I have sat through in this room”, said it was inconsistent of the UIA to seek the suspension of one of its members and not others.
    “The RIBA is already influencing for the better in many places in the world such as Libya, China, Russia, Saudi. I feel this is a better way that we should follow,” he said.
    Francesca Weal said North Korea was a member of the UIA. “Don’t you think architects are designing prison camps and torture chambers there,” she said. “Angela went to China on a trade mission to a country that took over another country: Tibet. We haven’t had a motion about China. It’s a big, powerful country where members get a lot of work.”
    Sumita Sinha, who has worked in the occupied territories, questioned whether expulsion would make any difference on the ground. She pointed out that the RIBA already does not validate schools of architecture in Israel/Palestine.
    “China, North Korea, countries in the Middle East all have bad human rights records,” she said. “Why are we singling out one country?”
    Brady accused “some people in this room” of allowing their desire to work in Israel/Palestine to influence the way they voted.
    Afterwards, welcoming the result, she said: “This shows the RIBA has teeth and it’s going to use them in a positive way. This is not a boycott.
    “Maybe China will be next but this is the starting point.”
    RIBA member and chair of Architects and Planners for Justice in Palestine, Abe Hayeem, who worked with Brady on the motion, said: “We urge the RIBA not to hesitate in backing this Motion to call for the IAUA’s suspension from the UIA, due to its failure to practice in line with the UIA Accords and Resolutions and the architect’s duty to all of society.”
    ISRAEL TO BUILD ARCHAEOLOGICAL CENTRE
    Israeli architect Moshe Safdie has designed a new national archaeological centre to showcase two million artefacts.
    The 35,000sq m centre is being built in Jerusalem and will house around 150,000 books. The government’s collection of 15,000 Dead Sea scroll fragments will also be moved into a new conservation laboratory at the centre. The scheme is due to be completed in 2016.

  63. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 9:30 am

    Brendan

    “Galloway should be very careful indeed if he touches on the early life of Bliar, is my guess.”
    ___________________

    Brendan, I hold absolutely no brief for Blair, but certainly Galloway – as anyone else – should be careful when making a biopic about someone. The laws of libel apply to Galloway as to everyone else.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ~”His quite obvious and evident personality disorder – it really is blatant these days – is not to be discussed in polite society, it seems. This is a shame, I think. Because an open discussion of our ‘leaders’ (and Blair was never a leader of anything at all) is a good thing for society. Maybe one day it will be possible. Not at the moment, alas.”

    Never let accuracy get in the way of something you feel you just have to say. The late former Labour MP and qualified pyscologist Leo Abse wrote a book called “Tony Blair – the man behind the smile” twenty odd years ago. I’ve brought this book to the attention of readers on a number of occasions. So the question of Blair’s inner personality has been in the public domain for quite a time.

    Leo Abse died a natural death, by the way, and was never sued as far as I know.

  64. I remember when Blair was challenged on slavishly helping the US attack Iraq. He gave a sneering little laugh and said “It’s worse than that”, boasting how if the US had been against attacking Iraq, he’d have pushed them as hard as he could to change their position.

    “It’s worse than that”, with a laugh.

    It reminded me of when George W Bush ‘joked’ on camera that staff had better check under his desk in the Oval Office to make sure there were no “weapons of mass destruction” there.

    Yes, both of these men have mental-health problems.

  65. The father of the House is standing down next year.

    MP Sir Peter Tapsell to stand down in 2015
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26683935

    He brought the House down in gales of laughter in 2006 when referring to BLiar and his reliance on divine powers for going to war.

    Another of Sir Peter’s references to BLiar.

    Sir Peter Tapsell (Louth and Horncastle) (Con): The invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq was, in my view, a strategic, political and humanitarian blunder of historic magnitude. It was a strategic blunder because the traditional aim of British foreign policy over the centuries, the maintenance of a balance of power in each region where we have a national interest, has been destroyed in the middle east. It rested on the balancing of the triangular animosities of Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Iran—respectively secular, Sunni and Shi’a—each hostile to the other two. That is why when Iraq invaded Iran in the 1980s, and it looked as though Iran would win the war, Britain and the United States gave much support to Saddam Hussein, despite his being already a proven warmonger abroad and a murderous tyrant at home.

    The major beneficiary of the overthrow of Saddam and his secular tyranny has been Shi’a, theocratic, nuclear Iran, a far greater threat to western interests today than Saddam was in 2003, with his by then non-existent weapons of mass destruction—the excuse for the invasion so shamefully advanced in the House by our Prime Minister, to his everlasting disgrace. I did not believe him then, and I voted against the invasion.

    The occupation of Iraq by foreigners has made Iran the most potent political force in the middle east, as Hezbollah recently demonstrated in Lebanon, so the neo-cons, who had long been plotting an attack on Iraq, in the event achieved nothing for Israel, and Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states are more than ever fearful of Iran.

    The invasion was a political blunder because the attack on Iraq divided the United Nations, divided NATO, divided the European Union, inflamed Islamic opinion against Britain at home and abroad, constrained British diplomatic influence and commercial success in the middle east and beyond, increased the influence of President Putin’s Russia, weakened the world economy by forcing up the price of oil and, at a significantly lower level of importance, has largely destroyed the political reputation of our Prime Minister.

    The war was a humanitarian blunder because of the tragic deaths of so many British and American soldiers and the many more whose bodies have been maimed and whose lives have been ruined, and the sadness and suffering that that has brought to their families, which will stay with them for the rest of their lives. It was a humanitarian blunder also because of the countless and largely uncounted tens of thousands of wholly innocent non-combatant Iraqis—Shi’a, Sunni and Kurds—who have been slaughtered, mutilated, orphaned or robbed of their homes and livelihoods by reason of the chaos into which the invasion has plunged the country that was Iraq, but can never be Iraq again.

    As a result of his tragic misjudgments in the middle east, our Prime Minister is, figuratively speaking, more deeply steeped in blood than any Scottish politician since Macbeth. We need an inquiry to tell us how he led us into this disaster, and to make sure that no vainglorious and ignorant Prime Minister can ever do so again.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/vo061031/debtext/61031-0010.htm#06103184001500
    31.10.2006

  66. Hold the front page! Blair is a morally weak, lying war criminal. Gorgeous George will put down his cigar and tell us all how it really is. Don’t rustle your crisp packets in the audience.

    I have the same feeling about this film as I had about Tariq Ali’s play, staged some time around 1997-98, which brought people the news that New Labour was ‘all style and no substance’.

    Another safety-valve.

  67. The flag of Nablus was hoisted above the city chambers.

    And nearby, Marks and Spencer went on trading as usual, right?
    And Starbucks.
    And Group Four.
    And Caterpillar.

    But the flag flapped meaningfully in the wind?

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 10:56 am

    Martin T (10h20)

    Brilliant post, Martin, I’m still chuckling. It’s almost poetry. Many thanks!

  69. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 11:04 am

    Abe Rene

    “Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Tony Blair was responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Arabs. Then we would have to assign to Pol Pot 10 times that guilt, Mugabe perhaps 20 times that much, the Kim dynasty of North Korea 100 times that much and Comrades Stalin and Lenin 1000 times as much. Thus in perspective it is better to get hot under the collar about godless Communist rulers than Dubya’s good pal. Finally, I don’t hold Blair personally responsible for 100,000 deaths. The question is more complicated than Blair deciding on a Final Solution for 100,000 Iraqis.”
    ______________________

    So much good sense in your post that I’m reposting it.

    Intentions and absolute numbers are factors which need to weigh in any comparisons.

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 11:07 am

    “The father of the House is standing down next year.”
    _________________

    That got me wondering, perhaps unforgivably whimsically: if the longest-serving MP were in fact ever to be a woman, would she still be called the father of the House?

  71. Habbabkuk; “The link you give merely has Nevermind claiming that Craig told him GG tell lies.

    Can you provide a direct link to Craig claiming that?”

    Sorry, but my dutiful & helpful reply to you has been removed, leaving the erroneous assertion in your question to strangely remain,so I once again kindly direct you to the key word in my comment that you either missed, or even perhaps don’t seem to know the meaning of;

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apparently

  72. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    Macky

    Yes, I remember. You used the word “apparently” to enable you to wriggle out of the charge of stirring up la merde for Craig.

    Didn’t work, apparently: you were spotted by others as well. Better luck next time, Macky., and have a nice day.

  73. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 12:26 pm

    Martin T

    While we’re on left-wing local govt inanities, did not David Blunkett declare the city of Sheffield to be a nuclear-free zone? Or was it Ken Livingstone and London?

    Either way, the Kremlin apparently (that’s for you, Macky) never got back to them on this.

  74. Habbabkuk; “Yes, I remember. You used the word “apparently” to enable you to wriggle out of the charge of stirring up la merde for Craig”

    Sorry this non sequitur response doesn’t address as to why you chose to deliberately falsely state that I “claimed” something that I didn’t ? Is was a question addressed direct at Craig seeking clarification, hence that important “apparently” word, which he has pointedly declined to do.

  75. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 2:00 pm

    Macky

    “Is was a question addressed direct at Craig seeking clarification,…”

    __________________________

    This is exactly what you wrote, Macky, no more and no less:

    ““Craig, I hope Galloway doesn’t known that you apparently disparage him by stating that he tales porkies;”"

    Doesn’t sound like a question to me, Macky.

    Rather, I detect a rather pleased tone, a touch of sarcasm, a dash of malevolence. I agree with the other commenter who thought you were trying to get your own back on Craig for the tickings off he gave you.

    *************

    Over and out on this one, more important thing to discuss! Have a nice day now.

  76. 1+2+ three, gosh, who would have thought…Blair is a liar and deserves to be investigated by a team of judges and a proper researcher, full on Ba’al, Clarissa Dickson Rights claims about Blair,written in her autobiography, may she rest in peace, should also be investigated.

    No doubt GG will also be held to account for his past claims and dalliances, but for now he’s the best there is ‘investigating’ Blair.

    I’d like to offer him an opportunity to proof one of his claims, i.e. that he is a boxer. I’m willing to give him three minutes of my doubts in the appropriate ring, gloves or no gloves.

  77. Jemand

    And was the last Ashes tour cricket? One has to keep one’s pecker up somehow, brother.

  78. Habbabkuk; “Doesn’t sound like a question to me, Macky”

    Perhaps you need a refresher course in Basic English Comprehension skills, as my comment was certainly not a claim but an open question.

    The person who IS actually claiming that Craig stated Galloway lies, is of course Nevermind, so best direct your accusation to him, then at least this time you won’t be making things up.

  79. Nevermind; “I’d like to offer him an opportunity to proof one of his claims”

    As I imagine Habbabkuk will chicken out of asking you, I will do it for him;

    Do you stand by your statement of Craig telling you that Galloway lies ?

  80. If I could impart some friendly advice, stop digging Macky!

  81. Thanks, but no thanks Anon; nothing will ever stop me digging for Truth & Justice by confronting irrationalities & hypocrisy. :D

  82. BrianFujisan

    23 Mar, 2014 - 2:01 am

    [craigmurray.org.uk - leave it to the moderators brianfujisan.]

  83. [Banned contributor]

  84. Whatever the truth or otherwise of what Craig has previously said and whether George Galloway is occasionally dishonest or misunderstood, you Macky are doing no one any favours, least of all yourself. You’re not a champion of “Truth and Justice” as you proclaim yourself to be, just a vindictive scragg out to derail Craig’s work.

  85. Listen, please will you refrain from vile utterances.

    Enlighten yourself. Fight exploitation and wrongdoing.
    http://www.antislavery.org/english/what_we_do/education/forced_child_cotton_picking_schools_competition.aspx

  86. Some refreshing views from George Galloway’s guests this week. Recommended.

    Seumas Milne on Tony Benn and Davisd Chandler on the break up of Yugoslavia.

    ‘Britain and the United States bombed Yugoslavia having spent decades subverting it, splintering it into an alphabet soup of countries and states. A NATO enforced “peace” in Bosnia-Herzegovina is now neither stable nor peaceful with predictions of a “Bosnian Spring” thickening the air. We invited Professor David Chandler of Westminster University into the studio to help make sense of the NATO sponsored break-up of Yugoslavia and ask whether this has been a success or a failure.

    And we dedicate part two to The Right Honourable Tony Benn who died last week. Seumas Milne, Associate Editor of the Guardian and author of the epic book The Enemy Within joins us to discuss the greatest British socialist leader of the last 50 years, as we look at Tony Benn’s life and times and the meaning of his death to the British left.’

  87. Galloway’s film ought to have been called ‘The Killings of Tony Blair’. As it stands the title suggests viewers will be treated to a feature-length disembowelment of the former PM, and while that might constitute pleasurable viewing for many here, it may be deemed confusing or even offputting to many.

    As for some of the regular violent fantasies towards Blair indulged in by many here and so excellently put into perspective by Abe Rene above, I’ve always felt a short spell – say two months – of community service would be ample punishment for his sins. In Fallujah.

  88. “the greatest British socialist leader of the last 50 years”

    Benn never led his party, he never even held any of the four most important offices of government.

    Benn’s socialism extended to renouncing his title, but not, unfortunately, to renouncing his inherited wealth, which, thanks to his astute use of an inheritence tax loophole, can now be safely passed on to his son.

    If anyone wonders why there have been no street parties or songs celebrating his death, it’s because he wasn’t a success.

    Another Bollinger Bolshevik, Benn will be remembered chiefly for being a fantastic gift to the right.

    .

  89. In other news:

    “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty and Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead are delighted to announce that their son, the Hon Stephen Kinnock, Husband of the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Denmark, has been appointed Labour prospective parliamentary candidate for Aberavon.”

    Who says socialism doesn’t pay?

  90. macky, it is irrelevant, it was years back, and georgeous george is not going to bite, not on the boxing or on giving straight answers.
    That said I hereby claim that all of us are liars when it suits us or when we are put on the spot/surprised with a question we don’t want to answer, its called evasive lying.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-spector-md/lying_b_2095068.html

    “The first maps the broad spectrum of lies, from the socially sanctioned and the self-deceiving to the conscious intent to mislead. The second area pertains to the lying animal, homo mendax, us humans.”

    Those who make out that figureheads and politicians are honest should examine their own personal life’s before asking others.
    Anyway this is about a film on another liar, a bigger and better one than George, who raises his children into his dynastic lying clan and wants them to turn out just like him….

  91. OT, sorry.

    Can one remotely take over a plane? and who has an interest in doing away with 20 of China’s top cryptographers?
    rhetorical questions after two weeks of ‘projected’ failure to find this plane.
    Who has the ability to shut off 200 cellphones on board that plane? asnd how many Awacs plane’s were in the air at the time after the plane disappeared? Questions only well connected diplomats can find out.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nsa-spied-on-chinese-government-and-networking-firm-huawei-a-960199.html

    and a more obscure site asking similar questions.
    http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-is-either-hidden-at-diego-garcia-or-tucson-arizona/

  92. Anon
    23 Mar, 2014 – 9:45 am

    “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty and Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead are delighted to announce that their son, the Hon Stephen Kinnock, Husband of the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Denmark, has been appointed Labour prospective parliamentary candidate for Aberavon.”

    “Who says socialism doesn’t pay?”

    If you think the Kinnocks are or ever were socialist you don’t understand politics.

  93. The last post raises an interesting point… the giving away of the Chagos Islands to the US for developing a massive air base was surely contrary to International Law. The historical record suggests that the pragmatic Harold Wilson may have done this very quietly as a sop to the US for UK not getting involved in Vietnam. But I’m sure that if the Chagos Islanders had held a referendum in 1970 (or whenever it was…) they would have voted for the status quo.

  94. A nice idea you could make a 3 part movie to rival Lord of the Rings
    “Lord of the Ka-chings”(sound of a cash register)
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/burger-eating-war-monkeys-and-thier-track-record/
    Tweedle Dem roars!!
    unfortunately it is just the pressure value on the boiler of representative democracy,its just letting off steam so the boiler does not explode!
    Tweedle Dem the third Tweedle that never gets a REAL say!
    Its people like Craig Murray or George Galloway
    If only Tweedle Dem could run the show ,everything would turn out roses!!!
    LOL…yeah right!! These Buddha like leaders will lead us into a New political age…?!?!?!
    A fantasy held by many representative democracy supportters because no-one ever told them about Direct Democracy!
    That is because centralised authorities make people scared and ignorant!
    Because an informed and confident people would never tolerate a centralised authority telling them what to do!
    In a true Direct Democracy we would NOT NEED this movie! The event would never of happened or he would already be in jail!!!
    IF Craig and George do NOT support Direct Democracy then the best they can offer is THIER version of a “benign dictatorship”, which would be quickly removed from any real power by a political Mainstream media advertising campaign and the systematic retaking of the tools of centralised authority!
    …just like after WWII!
    Sorry guys BUT you both are flogging dead horses here!!
    In political reality YOU are either “useful idiots” for the status quo or “gatekeepers” for the status quo.
    Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic will not stop it sinking!
    ..,.does George Galloway agree with your “puttin’ the boot in to Putin”?!
    and Craig ,has it sunk in yet ,that PUTIN AND BLAIR are in power due to the system of “representative democracy”
    A system YOU support!!
    …you complain about Putin and Blair BUT not about the system that gives him massive power? Hypocray?
    With this political system in power…WHO DO YOU THINK WILL REPLACE THEM?
    …a Gandhi like leader or another political dictatorial thug!?
    Would YOU like to put some money on this result?
    It is the very same political system in the East or West!!!
    Direct Democracy is the only PROVEN SOLUTION!!!
    …..that was my last post on this subject! As I cannot afford to waste my time flogging dead horses!
    Have a nice life guys and try not to destroy the planet with your delusional beliefs in “representative democracy” and “centralised authorities”!
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2014/03/21/direct-democracy-vs-representative-democracy-or-pure-democracy-vs-elected-dictatorship-the-real-root-of-todays-global-destruction/
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/how-do-we-achieve-freedom-liberty-and-democracy-without-fuss-or-bloodshed/
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/a-direct-democracy-independant-scotland/

  95. The most recent injustice against the Chagos Islanders:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1102064/chagos-islands-court-defeat-over-marine-park

    Some of the comments are particularly poignant.

  96. @Mark G. Have you heard of the Kurdistan memory programm?
    http://www.kurdmemory.com/

    and this about the company who filmd these personal records.
    http://www.rwfworld.com/company/

  97. “Who has the ability to shut off 200 cellphones on board that plane?”

    Can we put this one to bed please?

    Cell phones are low power devices, they rely on there being a receiver nearby, that’s why they call them cell phones. They have an absolute maximum range of around 50 miles in absolutely perfect conditions. Inside the body of an aircraft it would most probably be considerably less.

  98. thanks Fred, so you think that nobody on that plane had any contact whatsoever after take off, not on their way over the malakan peninsula, not when crossing over Malaysia after doing a 180 deg.

    You think that is likely?
    Another point. Did any of these 20 cryptographers resist opeing their laptops after take off? I somehow don’t buy the story of non comms after take off, there were too many people on that plane.

    Why so much attention to this flight, but not to IR655 when it was shot down over the gulf of Hormuz, with 60 children on board?

  99. “You think that is likely?
    Another point. Did any of these 20 cryptographers resist opeing their laptops after take off? I somehow don’t buy the story of non comms after take off, there were too many people on that plane.”

    Look I don’t know if the plane was equipped with on board wi-fi or on board phone system or not. I think it would be unlikely in that part of the world. If it was both could be easily disabled by the pilot at the flick of a switch.

    Cell phones would definitely not work.

  100. thanks Fred.

  101. I rate this as the loveliest and happiest story of the day. May the couple have many happy years together and the Labs too.

    ‘Puppy love’ as couple marry after guide dogs ‘fell in love’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-26705194

    ~~~

    In another context I recently mentioned Guide Dogs for the Blind on this blog.

  102. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    23 Mar, 2014 - 5:19 pm

    “If you think the Kinnocks are or ever were socialist you don’t understand politics.”
    ______________________

    On the basis of the evidence so far, I should say that Anon has nothing to learn from Mr Scorgie when it comes to understanding politics.

    Be that as it may, the Excellent Scorgie’s comment reminded me of something the Lefties always come up with.

    It is this. Whenever one reminds a Leftie that a socialist govt has thoroughly messed up something, or left a dangerous legacy, the cry always goes up “Oh, but that government only called itself socialist, it wasn’t socialist at all!” And the same applies to the leaders of socialist parties or govts: they all disappointed, or fucked up, because they weren’t really socialists at all!

    Socialism, therefore, can do no wrong, and never be wrong, for the simple reason that is had never been practised in government.

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    23 Mar, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    Fred

    “Look I don’t know if the plane was equipped with on board wi-fi or on board phone system or not..”
    __________________________

    And you wisely shut up soon after. If only other Eminences, whose knowledge of the details relevant to the plane’s disappearance is certainly as limited as yours, had refrained from dribbbling and drooling their theories and accusations all over one of the preceding threads! LOL

  104. Habbabkuk at 5:19 pm

    Absolutely spot on.

    True socialists are as pure as the driven snow, but alas they don’t actually exist.

    So we are left with a bunch of socialists who spend their lives espousing socialist ideals, but as soon as they become grotesque hypocrites – as they invariably do – then they are conveniently brushed aside as non-socialists by the new generation of socialists and their acolytes who carry on with the whole charade.

    What a wonderful state of affairs. I think our correspondent ought to provide an example or two of a socialist who has managed to escape this cycle of hypocrisy.

  105. I have a book idea for Nevermind: “Whose Junk is it Anyway? The struggle for North Norfolk waste efficiency 2007-11″

    Author Nevermind details in this important new collaboration his efforts to apply a Soviet-style system to East Anglian waste refuse. Devastating in its critique of Western modes of recycling, Nevermind challenges the very notion of waste as a ‘Western illness’ and suggests radical new reforms which include the provision of nothing to everyone. “Nothing, when given to everyone”, notes the author, “produces nothing”. Available in hardback for the special price of £35.99.

  106. http://advancedplasmapower.com/

    made in Britain this company has eluded Norfolks Tory mafia for some time, instead they plnoked for the most expensive, most polluiting and oldest method, lets burn it all at the ned of the garden approach by chosing Cory Wheelabrator, a serial polluter.

    read up about it before you open your sore mouth, anon.

  107. Some research on hacking planes. Caused quite a fuss on pilot forums at the time. https://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2013ams/materials/D1T1%20-%20Hugo%20Teso%20-%20Aircraft%20Hacking%20-%20Practical%20Aero%20Series.pdf

    Allegedly also the radio hardware inside some consumer android devices can be persuaded to transmit and receive on ACARS frequencies.

  108. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.581466

    Foreign Ministry employees declare general strike, paralyzing Israel’s diplomatic system
    All Israeli foreign missions closed; Lieberman censures ‘miserable decision that lacks sense.’

    Foreign Ministry employees declared a general strike on Sunday, following two weeks of renewed sanctions. The strike is expected to close down the country’s foreign missions and totally paralyze the Israeli diplomatic system.

    For the first time in the history of the State of Israel, 103 Israeli missions abroad will be completely closed for an indefinite period of time, as will the Foreign Ministry’s headquarters in Jerusalem.

    The strike was called in protest of the employment conditions of Israeli diplomats and the Finance Ministry’s decision to cut their salaries over the renewed sanctions.

    …”The Treasury has declared a war-to-the-death against the Foreign Ministry of the State of Israel and the dedicated diplomats who fight for the rights of Israelis daily,” said Ya’akov Frumer, chairman of the Foreign Ministry workers committee.

    …The diplomats also refused to handle British Prime Minister David Cameron’s visit last week (though he came anyway), and are now refusing to cooperate on preparations for the pope’s visit to Israel in May.

  109. Habba. anon.

    Give us a break your talking of political socialism we adopt civilisational socialism.
    Growing up in the 70′s we had a term called the greater good and you will find it still common place amongst people. Socialism in society is helping, sharing, caring and that human quality is the basis of socialism and there are so many qualities that we aspire too that political socialism cannot offer.

  110. Scary stuff, AlcAnon. Next to be confiscated on planes… Android phones? I’m now seriously wondering whether flying is worth the risk, as well as whether to switch my allegiance to UKIP to help get us out of Europe. Perhaps time I stopped reading this forum…

  111. technicolour

    23 Mar, 2014 - 9:32 pm

    “Devastating in its critique of Western modes of recycling, Nevermind challenges the very notion of waste as a ‘Western illness’ and suggests radical new reforms”

    Well, he could, and it would be far too easy to do it. Good grief, whose planet are you living on? Just as one could criticise the ‘East’ for its nuclear waste dumps. One does not cancel out the other.

  112. Anon; “St Jon the Mod, in a final act of magnanimity, issued a pardon to all sinners”

    If so, he finished his shambolic moderating with yet another blunder, one that is now damning this Blog to continued troll infestation; maybe it was a deliberate goodbye poisoned present.

    However I don’t remember seeing a pardon for you, but I distinctly recall you being banned not so long ago.

  113. One more post. Ukraine appears to have cut electricity supply to Crimea… not sure if this means half the homes don’t have power. Not on BBC yet so could be one or other group spreading pro- or anti- propaganda. Like the Squonk logo, by the way, Anon. Reminds me of my youth… much more enlightened times.

  114. Peacemaker,

    Both “sides” are reporting rolling blackouts in Crimea

    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-reduce-energy-crimea-721/

    Electricity supply to Crimea has been reduced by half and the region is experiencing rotating blackouts following two accidents on power lines coming from Ukraine, Crimea’s energy company says.

    Earlier, Crimean Vice-PM Rustam Temirgaliev said that Ukrainian national energy company Ukrenergo reduced the electricity supply to Crimea by 50 percent. “Ukrenegro reduced the power in its power lines cutting the amount of supplied energy by half,” the top official told Kryminfo news agency.

    Temirgaliev also earlier described the power shortages as “blackmail” on behalf of Kiev.

    https://www.facebook.com/emaidanua/posts/605825482840464

    Euromaidan
    5 minutes ago ·
    21:36 In the Crimea, electricity is being switched off all over. This is stated by Crimean Facebook users.

    “Crimea. Simferopol. No electricity in Maryino. Nothin in Beloe, nothing on Dmitriya Ulyanova. What next?” Wrote journalist Osman Pashayev on his page.
    Other users confirmed that there is no electricity not only in Simferopol, but also in Kerch, half of Feodosiya, Belogorsk, Alushta, Dzhankoi, Yevpatoriya and the district centre Nizhnegorskoe.

    We remind you that the Crimea gets two thirds of its electricity from Ukraine. Russia, having occupied the Crimea, promised to renew the construction of the Crimean Nuclear Power Plant on Kazantip. – Ukr-Online.com

  115. Thanks, AlcAnon. You’d think that Russia would have anticipated this, but I suppose the referendum timetable would have made that impossible. Still, as long as no-one in the west reports on it, the world won’t know. I suppose it suits both sides in their own ways to keep it quiet. Pity for the poor Crimeans though.

  116. A story is making the rounds, first reported by the NY Times, that Iran is building a fake Nimitz carrier for unknown reasons.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/21/world/middleeast/a-ship-being-built-in-iran-looks-awfully-familiar-to-the-us.html

    Before this gets totally blown out of proportion, this is nothing more than a movie prop, for a film on Iran Air
    655 (shot down by the US Navy on July 3, 1988). Apparently the movie will be directed by Nader Talebzadeh and Paxton Winters.

    Source:
    http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/295806

    See also:
    http://isna.ir/en/news/92041207490/Iran-US-to-coproduce-film-on-1988-US-attack
    and
    http://www.payvand.com/news/13/may/1055.html

  117. Anon,

    Please define pure socialist, as I presume to be a pure socialist you would be regarded as an un carved block,

    “True socialists are as pure as the driven snow, but alas they don’t actually exist.”

  118. Is that you Earnest?

    http://williambowles.info/2014/03/23/white-house-information-warfare-by-vladimir-platov/

    Using the developed SMISC, a network of fictive online persons is created; they are registered with territorial binding to the information space in various countries. This procedure results in the impression of the existence of real people located in different regions of the planet, rather than sock puppets. An individual ‘biographical legend’ and character ‘details’ are created for each of the sock puppets. Ultimately, it is impossible even for advanced opponents to discover the fact of the manipulation of such fictive online persons, who can easily gain the trust of local bloggers.

    Traces of the implementation of the Operation Earnest Voice by the White House are obvious today on news sites and discussions in many countries, especially in Ukraine in the last few days. Website visitors are skillfully pitted against each other using this technology, interethnic hostility is implanted.

    It puzzles me why certain Earnest Voices cannot specify local times, as found next to the comments themselves, than converting them to 24h times or military conventions, and forcing others to do the opposite, many would rather and more productively skip the annoying distraction entirely. I expect you must have several more bad words to add to the banned list in the unlikely event of you one day ruling the world.

  119. Mean Mister Mustard; “Are you primarily commercial in your beatitudes?”

    Your reply to Technicolour applies equally to Craig on his Ukraine position.

  120. [Banned from contributing]

  121. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 7:55 am

    [craigmurray.org.uk - be patient and leave it to the staff Habbakuk.]

  122. I watched this last evening. Interesting and informative. Contains information that you will not hear on BBC or Sky or read in the UK lamestream press.

    After Crimea
    March 23, 2014 14:58

    How has the world changed with the advent of the most recent Ukraine crisis? How realistic is Russia’s isolation by the West? And are we experiencing a new geopolitical paradigm shift? CrossTalking with Martin McCauley, Mark Sleboda and Christoph Hoerstel.

    http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/most-recent-ukraine-crisis-689/

    Martin McCauley University of London
    http://www.limehousegroup.net/martin_mccauley.php

    Mark Sleboda
    http://thelimuneye.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/spotted-mark-sleboda.html

    Christoph Hoerstel
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_H%C3%B6rstel (In German)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lavelle – the presenter

  123. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 8:40 am

    “In other news:

    “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty and Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead are delighted to announce that their son, the Hon Stephen Kinnock, Husband of the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Denmark, has been appointed Labour prospective parliamentary candidate for Aberavon.”

    Who says socialism doesn’t pay?”

    (A Non)

    LOL. You think Steve’s a socialist? You think anyone in the Labour Party at present, with very few and obvious exceptions, is a socialist? Even “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty”…the title says it all, really, doesn’t it?

    Now let’s take a look at Tory nepotism and undue influence selection procedures, shall we?

  124. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 8:44 am

    “I think when Blair dies I shall manage to refrain from unseemly displays of grief.” (Craig)

    Quiet and dignified is the way to go, I think. I hope the local store does not run out of fireworks on that sad day, and that the weather doesn’t spoil the street party.

  125. Would we all agree that since the verdict of the Hutton inquiry, BBC news has increasingly become a government propaganda mouthpiece? I was reminded about this when Rebekah Brookes said in court that she had been approached by Tony Blair about a “Hutton-style” inquiry. I think she probably put this into her defence deliberately, and good for her.

    I remember being in shock after Hutton’s results were announced, and expected there to be a massive backlash. However, it was a whimper… as of course it would be because the BBC would otherwise be being seen as crying wolf and the rest of the media were the BBC’s adversaries and would be pleased to see them “lose”. The real loser, though, was British democracy.

    Not only will I next consider voting UKIP (for the “democracy” reason), but I’ll also consider whether the license fee is any longer value for money. I’m sure many others are thinking the same way. If there really are going to be another six years of Tory rule the only way the BBC will think it can survive is by saying what the government wants. However, that may have the opposite effect…

  126. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 8:48 am

    “Habbabkuk says : Conservatives care for health and the NHS. NHS in good shape….etc, etc… ”

    Congratulations on coming out, buggerlugs. Tory spokesman it is. A career in standup beckons.

    I wonder if you are a major shareholder in a private “provider”? Like so many Friends of Osborne?

  127. Absolutely terrible.

    What have the G7 lot meeting in the Hague got to say? Or is all about Crimea now?

    Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26712124

    There was a coup in Eqypt.

    ‘What the West are trying to achieve is what the CIA and Mossad have now achieved in Egypt; replacing the head of the Mubarak regime while keeping all its power structures in place.’

  128. The estimable Jonathan Cook writes -

    More Guardian ‘brainwashing’ on Putin
    24 March 2014

    I spend a lot of time on this blog criticising the propaganda role of liberal media, including my former newspaper the Guardian. Media critics like Noam Chomsky and Ed Herman have called it “brainwashing under freedom”. Because of a long filtering process before they reach positions of influence, journalists working for the corporate media in free societies replicate many of the failings of journalists working for media in repressive and closed societies. There are differences. The propaganda in free societies is more subtle and insidious; the journalists are more likely to believe what they write; and a degree of pluralism is allowed, even while plausible and important voices are ignored or ridiculed. But propaganda it still is.

    I highlight this long and prominent article in the Guardian on Putin’s handling of Crimea and Ukraine because it is a master-class in brainwashing under freedom. The paper’s Moscow correspondent, Shaun Walker, is presumably well-acquainted with Russian society. He has full access to Russian media propaganda, so he knows full well Russia’s side of the argument. And he has acres of space in which to set out all the various viewpoints. And yet, he never manages to give a proper hearing to Russia’s side of the argument.

    /..

    http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-03-24/more-guardian-brainwashing-on-putin/

  129. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:06 am

    Baalalopaluba/

    “Congratulations on coming out, buggerlugs. Tory spokesman it is. A career in standup beckons.

    I wonder if you are a major shareholder in a private “provider”? Like so many Friends of Osborne?”
    _________________

    Not a shareholder, Komodo. How about you? You wouldn’t be the first socialist to say one thing and do another.

    Anyway, very sorry to note that you’re not welcoming the good things I drew attention to, and in particular the making available on the national health of a vaccine against meningitis B.

    ********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  130. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:11 am

    BullzePuzzled

    “LOL. You think Steve’s a socialist? You think anyone in the Labour Party at present, with very few and obvious exceptions, is a socialist? Even “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty”…the title says it all, really, doesn’t it?”
    ______________________-

    Need to read posts more carefully, Babar. Refer to mine at 17h19 and Anon’s at 18h32 (both yesterday) and the scales will fall from your eyes. LOL

  131. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:15 am

    News (to someone, anyway):

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10716541/Tony-Blair-handed-3m-slice-of-Barack-Obamas-aid-for-Africans.html

    “It is thought to be the third grant obtained by Mr Blair’s charity from USAID. The body was, until last February, overseen by Hillary Clinton, who, along with her husband Bill, the former US president, is a close friend of Mr Blair and his wife, Cherie. ”

    This is exactly the way I thought Blair was operating. The ‘charitable’ foundations conceal a mechanism by which Blair can transfer aid, or ‘aid’ to the movers and shakers in vulnerable countries, while retaining an advisory fee for Blair International plc.
    Note also that a lot of this money will be paying some very well-heeled people their going rates for having endless meetings…

    Again -
    “USAID had a year earlier given £500,000 to AGI to fund his governance programme in Sierra Leone.”

    ‘Governance’ being a weasel word, meaning ‘ensuring compliance with Western demands’, I think.

  132. doug scorgie

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:17 am

    Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death

    And the west sends aid to the regime:

    “Ahead of Morsi trial, John Kerry flies to Cairo to pledge cooperation with military-backed government, while Britain announces resumption of arms sales”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10424025/US-and-Britain-lend-backing-to-Egypt-interim-regime.html

  133. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:24 am

    Bang on the money:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c1fc1f6a-afc3-11e3-9cd1-00144feab7de.html

    “It’s easy to cure Blair Disease: bar ex-leaders from doing paid work for private interests. This free measure would instantly deflate populism, keep experience inside government and attract a better class of person to the job.”

    Might even reduce A&E congestion – see next post -

  134. “Would we all agree that since the verdict of the Hutton inquiry, BBC news has increasingly become a government propaganda mouthpiece?”

    Well, yes, even more increasingly so.

    It started out under Lord Reith with the intention of becoming the govt propaganda mouthpiece of last resort, kinda lost its way a bit in the 60s/70s/80s when oiks started airing their views, was purged in 1987 by Thatcher and finally had its nuts cut off by the Hutton inquiry

    is the way I’d put it.

  135. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:29 am

    Safe in our hands….

    http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk/p/mps-with-or-had-financial-links-to.html

    EG: . George Freeman: MP for Mid Norfolk. His own business: http://www.4d-biomedical.com/ which is a specialist adviser on Healthcare markets, Technology development, Business strategy & Venture financing, working with NHS trusts. Speaking in Parliament on 11 November 2010 during the Policy For Growth debate he said, “The third is the national health service. I know from my own experience that we are sitting on billions of pounds-worth of patient data. Let us think about how we can unlock the value of those data around the world.” See Hansard at http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm101111/debtext/101111-0003.htm

    THAT’s not the PR message, is it?

  136. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:53 am

    “Anyway, very sorry to note that you’re not welcoming the good things I drew attention to, and in particular the making available on the national health of a vaccine against meningitis B.”

    I’d be concerned if it were not made available on the NHS, as it has epidemic potential. As it is, the original decision was not to provide it- it cost too much -, and a u-turn was involved. Still, better late than never.

    Meanwhile, another triumph for the Tories!

    http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/news/business/business-news/exclusive-novartis-country-president-uk-explains-why-the-company-intends-to-pull-out-of-horsham-with-the-loss-of-371-local-jobs-1-5666413

    Novartis are the manufacturers of the vaccine….

  137. Did Freeman declare his interest Ba’al? Probably not just like Mark Simmonds MP (now a FCO minister) who did not declare his interest as a highly paid adviser to Circle Health of Hinchingbroke Hospital infamy. Eventually after representations were made to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner, he muttered a few words of apology in the ‘Hice’ from his position in the ranks of the troughers.

    ~~

    Ref Kinnock YUK

    Friends of the Friends

    The emasculation of the Labour Party is generally attributed
    to Blair and Brown in the 1990s; but it began much earlier,
    with the 1988/9 policy review which started the process of
    accommodating the City and the Americans. Leading that
    review was party leader Neil Kinnock, now Lord Kinnock.
    Adrian Gatton, via Tony Frewin, pointed me at a collection of
    conversations with former US diplomats.39

    This is in an interview with Carl Dillery, Political/Military Officer,
    at the U.S. embassy in London, 1973-1976.

    ‘DILLERY: Take an important case. Thatcher’s current
    head of loyal opposition, Neil Kinnock, was a junior MP
    when I was there. Our Labor Party reporting officer, Jack
    Binns, was a real friend of his. He was a great party guy
    and would come to all of our parties and talk to all of us.
    He and Jack were on a first name basis. So Jack became
    the political counselor when Kinnock got to be the leader
    of the Labor (sic) Party. Literally, Binns could call up and
    have access to him at any time.’

    Let me unpack this for those unfamiliar with Labour Party
    history. Neil Kinnock became an MP in 1970 and while in his
    first parliament became friends with the American diplomat
    whose job it was to keep an eye on/befriend/penetrate the
    Labour Party. He went to the parties at the American
    embassy, chatted to the staff there and became a US
    embassy source – perhaps the source – on the Labour Party.
    All this while he was presenting himself to the Party
    membership as a left-winger.40 Not that this shmoozing with
    the Americans did him much good when he became leader of
    the party: he was still ridiculed and humiliated on his first trip
    to Washington in that role.41

    Links and refs http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster67/lob67-view-from-the-bridge.pdf

    Glenys was famous for keeping the taxi meter running while she popped into the EU building to sign on for the day in the style of those crooked Lords who did the same for their daily bunce.

  138. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:02 am

    “Not a shareholder, Komodo. How about you? You wouldn’t be the first socialist to say one thing and do another.”

    Who?

    You wouldn’t be the first Tory to lie through its teeth, either. I’m not a shareholder in anything.

  139. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:11 am

    Did Freeman declare his interest Ba’al?

    Doesn’t look like it, Mary.

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24817/george_freeman/mid_norfolk

    And http://www.4d-biomedical.com/
    seems to be unavailable. However, he’s now on this campaign -

    http://www.patients4data.co.uk/campaign

    4d…4data? Coincidence, of course. As is his interest in monetising patient data under the guise of making it available to patients – and everybody else.

  140. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:18 am

    DubbleTheNubble

    “A Non implied that nepotism was a feature of socialism. Clear enough to me,..”

    ____________________________

    Perhaps you should have been arsed to read his post, BubZAevel. This is what Anon actually wrote:

    “True socialists are as pure as the driven snow, but alas they don’t actually exist.

    So we are left with a bunch of socialists who spend their lives espousing socialist ideals, but as soon as they become grotesque hypocrites – as they invariably do – then they are conveniently brushed aside as non-socialists by the new generation of socialists and their acolytes who carry on with the whole charade.”

    Nothing to do with nepotism, as you claim.

    Sharpen up, get arsed!

  141. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:24 am

    Booblebu re the meningitis B vaccine

    “I’d be concerned if it were not made available on the NHS,…”
    _________________

    Hilarious answer!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Still, better late than never.”
    _________________

    A very ungracious comment there, Booblaboo. First country in the world to offer this vaccination on the state health system. NHS leads the way again. In safe hands!

  142. Habby was asked whether he was a shareholder in any of those companies involved in plundering the NHS and he answered, no.

    It seems to me though that as someone of self-described independent wealth (he’s actually a former top-level EU civil servant, now scraping by on a gold-plated pension) he’ll have his ill gotten gains invested somewhere.

    It’s unlikely that those managing his investments will have failed to notice the scrumptious opportunities in picking over the carcass that will be the NHS when the neocons are finished with it nor will they be unaware of the agribusiness potential in west Ukraine, and indeed in energy and weapons. Such investments will be par for the course in any portfolio.

    Since habby has over recent days been very keen to accuse everyone who doesn’t support neoconism of being a socialist, it’s only fair that he declare his interest in the above very profitable opportunities, which it’s not unreasonable to conclude may well colour his view.

  143. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:36 am

    So socialists don’t exist but Kinnock is a socialist? Strangled by your own, and A Non’s sophistry, buggerlugs. Or maybe your inability to read posts.

    Still not seeing your no doubt equally hilarious comments – with sources for your opinions – on the intimate involvement of the private health industry with those in charge of the NHS. F’r instance Philip Hammond? Jeremy Hunt? Donations to the Tories in general (yes, and Nu Libor as well)?

    So important that the ongoing privatisation of NHS functions at immense cost to the taxpayer (see PFI for details) is unaccompanied by any faint whiff of corruption, don’t you think?

  144. Interesting UNCTAD graphic outlining EU dependence on Russian energy imports:

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/100-reliant-on-russian-gas.html

    But yes, jolly good idea to bring things in Ukraine to a head just as summer is icomen in.

    Well done those forward thinking, freedom loving protestors in Kiev for thinking of that.

    And taking a leaf from Thatcher’s playbook.

  145. It is preposterous [craigmurray.org.uk - insult removed] to say that the NHS is in safe hands. Seems to be information challenged!

    For instance -

    Nurses who form the backbone of the NHS, with the GPs.

    Poll of 10,000 by the Royal College of Nursing. 62% had thought of leaving
    the NHS in the last year 2013. .. unable to give patients the care they
    would want to because they were too busy, while 83% believed
    their workload had increased in the last 12 months.

    Pay freeze – between 2010 and 2012, followed by a 1% cap on
    increases from this year until 2016. Inflation rate > c. 3% +

    What is Hunt doing? Chucking money at hospitals for IT!
    and instituting a ‘revalidation scheme’ – every 3 years.
    Hospital staff are now under 360 degree surveillance as are
    all 100,000+ doctors.

    BBC News
    ‘Worrying shortage of senior NHS nurses’.

    The NHS has lost nearly 4,000 senior nursing posts since 2010, putting patient care at risk, warns the Royal College of Nursing (RCN). The void includes ward sisters, community matrons and specialist nurses and has been brought about by cost saving reorganisation, it says.

    According to the most recent data, in November 2013, the NHS was still short of 1,199 full time equivalent (FTE) registered nurses compared with April 2010. The RCN says that hidden within wider nursing workforce cuts are a significant loss and devaluation of skills and experience in the NHS, with 3,994 FTE nursing staff working in senior positions. These band seven and eight nurses – matrons, ward sisters and advanced nurse practitioners and clinical nurse specialists – have been disproportionately targeted for workforce cuts and found their roles increasingly devalued, it says.

    Dr Peter Carter, chief executive and general secretary of the RCN said: “As more patients require complex care from specialist nurses, letting so many years of skills and experience vanish from the NHS is an utterly reckless policy. These cuts are a short-term attempt by trusts to find efficiency savings, yet they will lead to a very serious and very long-term crisis in our health service.”

    The public inquiry report into Mid Staffordshire Foundation Trust, written by Robert Francis QC, highlighted the importance of having the right staffing numbers and skill mix on wards.

    YCNMIU!

  146. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 11:54 am

    Blair’s Faith Foundation (motto – ‘only Believe, and all these things shall be added unto you’)….and one of its funders. The TBFF has a branch in Ukraine;

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/9859780/Revealed-Tony-Blair-and-the-oligarch-bankrolling-his-charity.html

    Pinchuk, who has a branch in London, is not expected to be inconvenienced by sanctions. He’s our bastard.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10655081/The-Ukrainian-oligarchs-living-it-large-in-London.html

    But Firtash is of interest to the FBI, not least because he has valuable information on Putin. Expect an extradition row….

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-oligarch-dmytro-firtash-pays-125m-bail-after-politically-motivated-arrest-1441518

  147. Habba

    I agree the menangitis vaccine is a must to keep healthy but.as we are on a socialist bent I assume you would consider our present sedantary socialist lifestyle should be infused with more health conscious motives to promote a well being consistant with the terminology “we are what we eat”.
    Although responsibility does and should remain with the individual. Choice is paramount.

  148. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 12:12 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/20/nhs-hospitals-annual-loss-first-time-eight-years

    Meningitis B jab costs £130 a pop. From a private ‘provider’ that is.

    We could always cut back on GP practices….? Sure.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/23/family-doctor-service-brink-extinction

    So all your caring compassionate conservative betters can really do is close some of those feckless scrounger hospitals, even if some of us still have scruples. Hard working families don’t get sick, do they?

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/11/hospital-closures-law-rebel-coalition-mps

    Three cheers for private enterprise! And thanks for the brown envelope….

  149. There’s been some discussion of various political approaches recently in the comments section.

    Here’s an article from the Conservative writer, Peter Hitchens, which is very much at odds with the neocon agenda:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38041.htm

    You’ll see similar articles from Peter Oborne, another Conservative.

    I’ve posted concordant views from ex Australian Conservative PM, Malcolm Fraser, and you’ll hear Conservatives voicing the same anti-neocon view time and time again.

    You’ll regularly see such articles from Paul Craig Roberts, an American Conservative, as well.

    The old Left is a critic of neoconism, whilst the neo Left is itself neocon in actuality.

    It’s not unimportant how these factions line up.

    You’ve got the paleo Conservatives and paleo Left now lining up to make similar criticisms of neoconism. That division is clear as day.

    We know the genesis and subsequent history of Conservatism and Socialism, but few are clued up on where neoconism comes from and where it is going and why it currently seems so dominant.

    Strange.

  150. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 12:54 pm

    Good point, Herbie. The advance of neoconservatism behind a palaeoconservative or palaeosocialist front is indeed insidious. And one of its political strengths – it can masquerade as the centre ground. Many of its US originators were, incidentally, failed leftists who realised they weren’t going to make much money if they had principles. It’s no accident that both Blair and Gove – neither had unduly rich or privileged backgrounds – are slavish admirers of American neos.

  151. “Many of its US originators were, incidentally, failed leftists who realised they weren’t going to make much money if they had principles”

    Indeed Ba’al, mostly or all Trots. As Clark recently pointed out, the radical left as in radical protestantism is something of a fissionable atomising force. This of course is a fundamental property of analysis itself.

    We used to lament at how they always fought one with the other and could never agree on anything.

    But now they’ve all joined together in a dangerously explosive way.

  152. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 1:18 pm

    Point to ponder -

    “Political rights do not originate in parliaments; they are, rather, forced upon parliaments from without. And even their enactment into law has for a long time been no guarantee of their security. Just as the employers always try to nullify every concession they had made to labour as soon as opportunity offered, as soon as any signs of weakness were observable in the workers’ organisations, so governments also are always inclined to restrict or to abrogate completely rights and freedoms that have been achieved if they imagine that the people will put up no resistance. Even in those countries where such things as freedom of the press, right of assembly, right of combination, and the like have long existed, governments are constantly trying to restrict those rights or to reinterpret them by juridical hair-splitting. Political rights do not exist because they have been legally set down on a piece of paper, but only when they have become the ingrown habit of a people, and when any attempt to impair them will meet with the violent resistance of the populace . Where this is not the case, there is no help in any parliamentary Opposition or any Platonic appeals to the constitution.”

    — Rudolf Rocker, Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory & Practice, 1947

  153. But unfortunately the people are far too busy working every hour God sends to earn money they don’t need so they can go into debt buying things they don’t want to impress people they don’t like to worry about things like freedom.

    They may grumble about oil or grumble about nuclear but so long as when they pull onto the forecourt the pump isn’t empty and so long as when they flick that switch a light comes on the politicians are safe as how many rights they take away.

  154. PaleoTories will eventually decompose and turn into oil and calcium. I can’t see any other use for them. It was a very dangerous experiment conducted by Nick Clegg and Paddy Ashdown to inject live DNA into the fossilised archived material from Thatcherite pre-history and form a re-construction of this antediluvian life form.

    Neandercons, born-again-colonial-why-did-we-stop-stealing-wealth-from-other-countries, on the other hand, are very much alive and kicking, including those foreign politicians that see benefit for themselves in the colonial process. What is lacking is humans.

  155. This article/interview neatly explains the global political dynamics.

    “In fact, both, the interests of Europe and that of Russia, lie in a common economic plan for the development of the whole area. This is what was proposed by Putin and by several leaders such as former German chancellors Helmut Kohl and Gerhard Schroeder. This is exactly what had to be prevented with the Victoria Nuland $5 billion ‘to help democracy.’ And now, despite all the noises and rhetoric, this is the most obvious direction to go.

    The most important point to understand is that this war and looting policy is not in the interest of the Europeans or even of the Americans.

    This is the big secret that now cannot be covered anymore. The governments of the US and the European countries are NOT independent entities, they are not sovereign. They do not have the will or even the ability to act on behalf of their people. They are controlled by powerful banking interests. They have been taken over by two financial centers that do not care for the real economy. They pursue only speculation and looting.”

    The key really is how to defeat neoconism.

    1. The Russians create alliance for new global financial system.

    Difficult, dicey and long.

    2. The Germans, who still have a real economy, act on that interest.

    Short and sweet.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ukraine-crisis-and-vladimir-putin-a-new-financial-system-free-from-wall-street-and-the-city-of-london/5374785

    C’mon Germany, now’s your big chance…

  156. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 1:56 pm

    Confusion of irreducible needs and frivolous wants is central to this, Fred. As is the perception of what constitutes happiness, or, better contentment. If I had been Gove, I would have handed every school a copy of ‘Candide’, not the KJ Bible. Anonymously, with a social media PR campaign purporting to discourage kids from reading the last few words.

    Education, education, education…

    “Don’t you think agricultural laborers would rather have three acres and a cow than three acres of printed forms and a committee? Why doesn’t somebody start a yeoman party in politics, appealing to the old traditions of the small landowner?”
    -GK Chesterton

    We probably don’t have room any more for three acres and a cow, but a garden and a few chickens for all might not be an unrealistic aim.

  157. Herbie,

    Neo cons are capitalists; the Haliburton millitary machine and other corporate entities monopolize the agenda hence no moralistic diplomacy.
    Incredulous without media attention.

  158. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:06 pm

    How to stuff capitalists: don’t buy stuff.

  159. “We probably don’t have room any more for three acres and a cow, but a garden and a few chickens for all might not be an unrealistic aim.”

    Not unrealistic at all, every council house tenant has the right to keep a few chickens in their back garden, they have round here anyway. Some do.

  160. How strange that Habbaduk’s intemperate comment, laying down his demands for the conduct of this blog and policing contributors language, between Jay’s at 7:14am and mine at 7:26am, has been removed completely with no trace, whilst other deleted or moderated comments are left as stubs, which to me is preferable as it indicates that there has been some intervention and might help in some cases to understand the flow and direction the discussion took. Though it has to be said the now gone comment was nothing more than gratuitous whinging and bare-faced cheek, a particularly disgruntled sounding, grumpy early morning wail that no-one will bend to its will or comply with its strident demands.

    How should we address you oh mighty one (Habbaduk)?

  161. People would be surprised how much land is available:

    “The great myth of urban Britain”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096

    Then there’s who owns it all:

    “The book ‘Who Owns Britain’ by Kevin Cahill revealed the hidden facts behind landownership in the UK and Ireland.”

    The book ‘Who Owns Britain’ by Kevin Cahill revealed the hidden facts behind landownership in the UK and Ireland.

    http://www.who-owns-britain.com/

  162. craigmurray.org.uk

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:27 pm

    Some commenters are now subject to pre-moderation. Keyword blocking has been activated. Any comment may be held for moderation as automatic filters are prone to false positives.

    The moderation queue now has to be checked periodically. Pointless personal and left-vs.-right political bickering is causing me work and wasting my time.

    Remember that your host is a HUMAN RIGHTS activist, and not very party-political.

  163. AlcAnon/Squonk

    23 Mar, 2014 – 10:06 pm

    I don’t think the probllem is as bad as it’s being made out regarding the lack of electrical power in Crimea. One of the comments suggests that this is a common problem in Crimea.

    https://www.facebook.com/emaidanua/posts/605825482840464

  164. “A week later, on March 12, Christine Lagarde, met the interim Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk at IMF headquarters in Washington. Lagarde reaffirmed the IMF’s commitment:

    “[to putting Ukraine back] on the path of sound economic governance and sustainable growth, while protecting the vulnerable in society. … We are keen to help Ukraine on its path to economic stability and prosperity.”(Press Release: Statement by IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde on Ukraine)

    The above statement is wrought with hypocrisy. In practice, the IMF does not wield “sound economic governance” nor does it protect the vulnerable. It impoverishes entire populations, while providing “prosperity” to a small corrupt and subservient political and economic elite.”

    Michel Chossudovsky

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/24/regime-change-ukraine-imfs-bitter-economic-medicine/

  165. Sofia Kibo Noh

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:54 pm

    Herbie, Ba’al Zevul, G K Chesterton, Rudolf Rocker…

    Thanks. Why don’t we get this stuff in school?

    http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/rudolf-rocker-anarchism-and-anarcho-syndicalism

  166. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    Talking of ‘governance’ in Ukraine, something’s missing here-

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundationus.org/blogpost/tony-blair-announces-new-education-projects-ukraine

    Wonder if it was escorted off the premises by a Russian soldier?

  167. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    “Why don’t we get this stuff in school?”
    Because it’s very dangerous. You will probably put on weight and fail to get a job as an airline hostess if you read it. And have to wear ugly spectacles and a prosthetic leg. Now please pick up your nice PJ O’Rourke, like Mrs Krauthammer told you to.

  168. Sofia Kibo Noh

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Herbie. 2 47pm

    From the Indo article comments, “Ukraine has such a high percentage of devastatingly beautiful women…”

    What about Craig Murray’s blog?

  169. I liked Andrew Whitchurch’s comment of Mar, 2014 – 7:38 pm on the Six More Years thread, which was lost in the subsequent noise.

    Of course, the 42% had to be conditioned first and Thatcher saw to that. The big giveaways to the unskilled lower middle class in the 1980s (notice how people with a complete lack of skill started to earn more in back offices and estate agencies than those with skills to mine coal, build cars, administer health care etc.) ensured there were a lot of people with a lot to be grateful to Thatcherite economics. I reserve the right to not call it free market.

    That has created a glut of people who are now over 50 who like to think that they worked hard for what they got (they didn’t) who rather like the status quo and will keep this kind of politics in power for many years to come. George Osborne’s budget directly targeted this group of feckless, unskilled homeowners.

    Fred sometimes you make a sound point such as: “But unfortunately the people are far too busy working every hour God sends to earn money they don’t need so they can go into debt buying things they don’t want to impress people they don’t like to worry about things like freedom.” Inspired, except for the ‘God’ bit, but that’s a well-worn recognisable cliche and not necessarily indicating devout belief in supernatural beings. There is a tendency however to extrapolate from limited or exceptional and unusual experiences to suggest this or that special case is descriptive of the whole. If someone were to say something like ‘books do not kill’, you’ll relate a case of a man who had a heavy book of carpet samples land on his his bonce with tragic result.

    It is indeed incredibly difficult, if not impossible to feed one person, much less a family, on own-produced fare, raised from a patch of ground, it would be a monotonous diet, not conducive to health and could not compete on price with simply buying the same items from a store, in other words the outlay would be greater, and there would be times of surplus and wastage, as well as shortfalls when other sources would be crucial. I have some new seed potatoes (Charlotte) to plant in the next week or two, but still have sackloads of last years main crop (Desiree) to find some palatable use for; chickens/eggs however, coming sporadically rather than all at once in some over-whelming glut make a lot of sense, but there are few who could realistically keep them. Latter day housing and residential architecture and ground use, particularly of council housing, has not, probably since the 1950s considered such diversity or flexibility of uses and needs worth incorporating in their designs and space allocation. It wouldn’t be conducive to keeping the people in their place if they were able to exercise any degree of resilience, of resourcefulness or detachment from consumerism’s smothering disempowering embrace.

  170. Sofia

    It’s that old beauty of mind/body problem, especially when the censor’s on the prowl…

  171. Sofia Kibo Noh

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:16 pm

    Ba’al Zevul (I’d Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic)) 3 03pm

    “Now please pick up your nice PJ O’Rourke, like Mrs Krauthammer told you to.”
    Groan!

    Please tell me Eminences and Excresances. What is it about certain humans that causes their brains and principles to veer rightwards and dissolve into blancmange or worse as the years pass? Witness the descent of Dad down the rabbit holes of reactionary delusion.

  172. My comment above using the t word is in moderation too.

    Tony M I used the word ….. this morning. That was deleted and a Wikipedia link to the word …..7 is in moderation and will probably also get deleted. In view of the history here, I think is outrageous.
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    [Moderation can't deal with the history, only the current situation. Please be helpful. Thanks.]

  173. “It is indeed incredibly difficult, if not impossible to feed one person, much less a family, on own-produced fare, raised from a patch of ground, ”

    Well of course.

    I have to supplement my diet with a bit of roadkill and some skip diving.

  174. “Please tell me Eminences and Excresances. What is it about certain humans that causes their brains and principles to veer rightwards and dissolve into blancmange or worse as the years pass? Witness the descent of Dad down the rabbit holes of reactionary delusion.”

    Youthful idealism meets material necessity, is the usual explanation.

    So, a change in what material necessity entails might be an option.

    Ultimately though we would need to get rid of the mafia skimmers, and that’s no small ask.

    Though, changing the world banking system would probably go some long way to pulling off the trick.

  175. Mods

    And why is mine at 1.52pm awaiting moderation at all?

    No bad words, no personal attacks, no nuffin.

    [One of those false positives.]

  176. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:30 pm

    “….ground use, particularly of council housing, has not, probably since the 1950s considered such diversity or flexibility of uses and needs worth incorporating in their designs and space allocation.”

    Isn’t it about time that changed? Note: I’m not talking about absolute self-sufficiency (though with local trading between specialists, that would not be an impossible dream) but about satisfaction, appreciation of the attainable, and cutting out the unproductive middleman…who seems to get most of any value produced as things stand. Granted, Chesterton was of another era, and romantically bucolic with it, but three acres and a cow – even a 1/4 acre and a chicken run – represent a degree of independence from global marketeers, their branders and their politicians, which is unthought of today.

  177. “but three acres and a cow”

    You don’t need a cow, a goat will give more than enough milk.

  178. So there are a few of us on the naughty step!

    PS I know that modding is a thankless job especially here. Why don’t we have registration?

  179. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:46 pm

    Broken -
    If credible, this suggests that the US (or similarly equipped nation) have now released data from a high-resolution satellite camera to the Malaysians. That is, the pictures will be at least 10X better than anything so far published, and may well include the aircraft on its southerly track.

    http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/24/malaysia-flight-370-crashed-southern-indian-ocean-prime-minister-confirmation/

  180. WTF? Keywords? What are they? Craig is buying ball-gags by the gross to make the discourse sterile or emasculated? Enquiring minds want to know.

    Whazzup with the thuggery?

  181. MH370 assumed to have crashed with no survivors, says Malaysia Airlines – live updates

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/mh370-chinese-plane-spots-white-objects-live-updates

  182. Are the keywords a secret? A list of proscribed words and phrases is even available through the dark Sith Lord, Putin.

    Maidan behaviors.

  183. “WTF? Keywords? What are they?”

    It’s complicated Ben, All I can say is don’t mention Scunthorpe.

  184. “Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume that MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.”

    Perpetual educated guesses, but I digress.

  185. Media Lens have done a big piece about anti-independence bias in BBC Scotland and STV. They quote Craig extensively. They describe how the mainstream media in general has ignored an analysis of news stories about Independence.

    “The year-long study was conducted by a small team led by Professor John Robertson of the University of West Scotland. Between 17 September 2012 – 18 September 2013, the team recorded and transcribed approximately 730 hours of evening TV news output broadcast by BBC Scotland and Scottish Television (STV). The study concluded that 317 news items broadcast by the BBC favoured the ‘No’ campaign (i.e. no to Scottish independence) compared to just 211 favourable to the ‘Yes’ campaign. A similar bias in favour of the ‘No’ campaign was displayed by STV. Overall, there was a broadcaster bias favouring the ‘No’ campaign by a ratio of 3:2. In other words, there was 50 per cent more favourable coverage to the ‘No’ campaign.”

    They go on to describe how BBC Scotland in particular went to a lot of effort to discredit the professor behind the report.

    http://medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=759:scotlandshire-bbc-scotland-coverage-of-the-independence-referendum&catid=52:alerts-2014&Itemid=245

  186. A Node. I saw that Medialens alert too and put in on the Ally’s Army thread. :)

  187. Craig, has anybody thought to ask how the filming went at the weekend? Well, I hope. Anything of interest that you would like to say about it? What other celebs were involved?

  188. Ditto.

    The EU sucks.

  189. @A Node

    Do you think the Nationalists could stop screaming “bias” long enough to tell us the latest budget deficit forecasts?

  190. Hmmm. More ‘popular uprising’ in Odessa?

    http://rt.com/news/east-ukraine-rallies-referendum-701/

  191. Craig Murray is quoted extensively by the guys at Medialens. This is in reference to BBC bias in relation to their coverage of the Scottish independence issue.

    This is a must-read:

    http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2014/759-scotlandshire-bbc-scotland-coverage-of-the-independence-referendum.html

  192. Smoothface throws his toys out of the pram as instructed by Obomber.

    24 March 2014 Last updated at 15:47

    G8 summit ‘won’t be held in Russia’ Breaking news

    The G8 summit will not take place in Russia this year, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.

    Speaking in the Netherlands, Mr Cameron said it was “absolutely clear” the planned June meeting of world leaders in the Russian resort of Sochi would not happen due to events in Ukraine.

    The EU and US have imposed sanctions on Russian officials after its annexation of Crimea from Ukraine.

    Moscow has also been warned of further action if it does not change course.

    The announcement that the Sochi meeting had been cancelled comes after Russian troops seized control of the last major military base in Crimea.

    It comes as Mr Cameron, US President Barack Obama and other G7 leaders attend a nuclear co-operation summit in The Hague, to which Russian President Vladimir Putin was not invited.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26722668

    ~~

    Like children.

  193. fred 24 Mar, 2014 – 4:09 pm

    “@A Node

    Do you think the Nationalists could stop screaming “bias” long enough to tell us the latest budget deficit forecasts?”

    Media Lens aren’t Nationalists. Their article expresses no opinion either for or against Independence. They are concerned about thought control in the media. So am I. I believe you are too regarding most topics.

  194. I thought this Medialens tidbit somewhat pertinent.

    Prof. Robertson was asked by one MSP what kind of research he’d conducted in the past. He responded:

    ‘My interest is in, dare I say it, thought control in democracies. Everyone knows in a totalitarian state you can’t trust the media. Everyone knows they’re being lied to. Thought control in totalitarian states is totally ineffective because the entire population pretty much know: don’t trust that stuff from the party.

    ‘In democracies, there is thought control. There’s undeniably thought control. Media and political elites often work in each other’s interests. They don’t go round in a big cauldron saying, “Let’s do down the working classes and send our boys off to die, because we want them to do that.” They just mix. They go to the same schools. Their children go to the same schools. They share the same interests, the same cultural interests.

    ‘So we do end up with a degree of thought control without conspiracy…’

  195. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 4:27 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “Meningitis B jab costs £130 a pop. From a private ‘provider’ that is.”
    _____________________

    Which is EXACTLY why it’s splendid news that the jab will henceforth be offered on the NHS and therefore FREE.

    Aren’t you pleased about that?

  196. Ben 24 Mar, 2014 – 4:14 pm

    I would be in no way surprised if there was a partition of Eastern Ukraine, especially if the May elections (if they go ahead) return Yatsenyuk and the neo-fascists.

  197. John @ 4:29

    It’s getting harder to tell the good guys from the bad without a program.

    Sel-interest and aggrandizement is not a Moscow monopoly.

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