A Good Idea

by craig on March 21, 2014 9:07 am in Uncategorized

Dashing off to London now to do an interview with George Galloway for his crowd sourced documentary “The Killing of Tony Blair”.  Sounds less like a film, more like a good idea.

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  1. Ba'al Zevul (I Don't Know if I can Keep This Up)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 9:14 am

    I wish you luck with that. The film will be most effective if it follows up leads given by the public with in-depth research

    Hint.

  2. I suggest that jail for life is a more appropriate outcome.

    I believe Blair is guilty of offences contrary to Section 56 of the Terrorism Act 2000.

    That is being covered up by the Metropolitan Police:
    http://thepolicearecheatingus.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/terrorism-act-2000-section-56-offences.html

    And by the Chilcot Inquiry:
    http://chilcotscheatingus.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/iraq-inquiry-letter-of-2nd-february.html

  3. I paid into that film knowing that George Galloway will make a very decent effort in exposing Blair for the callous treacherous, money grabbing, morally weak, mass murderer that he is.
    I can’t wait for the film or to see your contribution Craig.

  4. Top level Western politicians are untouchable by tacit agreement between all at that level.

  5. I look forward to George Galloway’s film and hope to hear more of his accounts.

    The crimes of democracies are rarely punished, as it is difficult to punish an entire voter bloc, so that democracies have far less practical disincentive to evil than any dictatorship whose dictator can be pinpointed for account. “This new invention of democracy is very closely connected with a peculiar phenomenon which has recently spread to a pernicious extent, namely the cowardice of a large section of our so-called political leaders. Whenever important decisions have to be made they always find themselves fortunate in being able to hide behind the backs of what they call the majority. In observing one of these political manipulators one notices how he wheedles the majority in order to get their sanction for whatever action he takes. He has to have accomplices in order to be able to shift responsibility to other shoulders whenever it is opportune to do so.” When majority opinion – in itself already a socially persuasive force – is further given political authority, it acquires an illusion of moral rectitude, meaning that democratic nations can rarely be brought to even admit collective guilt for evils they have perpetrated. Voters will at most blame the representative they themselves elected, while retaining unshakeable confidence in their collective ability to wisely elect his replacement.

    Sourced:

  6. Ba'al Zevul (I Don't Know if I can Keep This Up)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 10:08 am

    Dr. Watt –
    That approach looks as if it has potential. Unlike the unenforceable citizen’s arrest for war crimes, this could put him in a UK court for a definable criminal offence. Like it.

    “… the (Chilcot – BZ) Inquiry seems to have concentrated when exploring the legality or otherwise of the Iraq War entirely on questions of international law. The Inquiry appears to have omitted to examine whether actions relating to the Iraq War involved criminal offences under UK law.”

    I wonder if GG has considered it?

  7. Tony Blair thinks it’s a good idea too, because “killing” refers to all the money he’s made.

  8. I suppose the Hague Invasion Act is sort-of on-topic here. The US reserves the right to use military force against the International Criminal Court at the Hague – “to protect United States military personnel and other elected and appointed officials of the United States government against criminal prosecution by an international criminal court to which the United States is not party.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act

  9. I thought the project had gone cold. Craig, could you get GG to give some idea when the film might be released and give him our best wishes.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22595538/the-killing-of-tony-blair

    As I have suggested for BLiar, a cell on a cold island with a loop playing of the screams of injured Iraqi children.

  10. Let us not forget his placement as Quartet Envoy/shill for the US and Israel.

    Palestinian Authority: Israel’s Doppelgänger
    by Vacy Vlazna / March 20th, 2014
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/03/palestinian-authority-israels-doppelganger/

    The Palestinian people have been betrayed many times over, not least by their politicians.

    The author – wonderful woman.
    Dr. Vacy Vlazna is Coordinator of Justice for Palestine Matters. She was Human Rights Advisor to the GAM team in the second round of the Aceh peace talks, Helsinki, February 2005 and then withdrew on principle. Vacy was coordinator of the East Timor Justice Lobby as well as serving in East Timor with UNAMET and UNTAET from 1999-2001.

    See here how much she cares for the Palestinians.
    http://dissidentvoice.org/author/vacyvlazna/

  11. numberstation

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:10 am

    Craig,
    All the best for the interview. It would be interesting to give your perspective on the meeting with George Galloway. Are you a fan of his?
    Regards,
    numberstation

  12. Personally, I’d suspend him by the goolies from a lamp-post on Tower Bridge rather than let him rot in jail at taxpayers’ expense.

  13. The BBC has an article today “Warning over number of war crime suspects living in UK”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/26677428

    Elephant.

  14. The only hope is to persuade the covert operators that Blair works now for Putin, or the IRA.

  15. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:57 am

    http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/trq/turquoise-hill-resources-ltd?postid=22347556

    What is it with the Persian – and Mongolian – New Year (today) and Blair? And did he fly there in G-CEYL?

    Which international aid programme will be donating a percentige to the Blair assets while the rest builds a dictator’s palace? Enquiring minds would like to know…

  16. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:58 am

    * percentage. Bah.

  17. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 12:15 pm

    Blairspotting could be bigger than trainspotting -

    http://news.tes.co.uk/b/news/2014/03/19/blair-calls-for-g8-summit-to-improve-global-education.aspx

    Not on the confirmed speakers’ list, though;

    https://educationandskillsforum.org/speakers/

    Possibly because he knows sod-all about education and bribed Security to get in?

  18. [craigmurray.org.uk - Deleted; personal attack against Mary]

  19. I don’t believe I have ever had more value from a tenner than the one I contributed towards the making of this film. The most frustrating things about the Blair situation is knowing that he knows that you not only know that he is a mass-murdering war criminal, but that you can’t do fuck all about it so up yours, pleb.
    Well, that tenner has let me do something about it. Finally I’ve been able to give him a small figurative kick in the balls. It won’t kick him all the way to the Hague, but it might just might be one of a cumulative series of actions that does. And at the very least, it will be a documented testimony to follow his reputation into the future blight it for posterity.
    It’s the tenner that keeps on giving.
    As I understand it, Galloway intends to use the available donations to make the best film he can, and the more he has the better the film will be. You can still donate here: http://www.theblairdoc.com/

  20. Craig, I hope Galloway doesn’t known that you apparently disparage him by stating that he tales porkies;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/09/blair-and-kanye-west-are-prostitutes/comment-page-10/#comment-429529

  21. You might also want to chin him about his fanatical, almost comical stance on Scottish Independence, he’s become a parody of the Unionist camp, he does it with such an deadpan expression too, I keep expecting him to burst out laughing from the pressure when delivering his logically inconsistent anti-democratic take on this. You might ask him to wink or something when trotting out this BritNat boilerplate tosh. We all go forward together hand in hand brothers and sisters across the world, by one or more taking taking that brave first step.

    Craig (when back), do you really think the disastrous course the country took in Iraq in 2003 – well any acceptable line into serious rogue state territory would have been any different without Blair, or some other mug in position, the earlier military action in Iraq over Kuwait and then the sanctions all culminated in this, the schedule going back to Thatcher’s last months in office and through John Major’s premiership, they both along with many more, participated in the killing too. I think Blair will try to share and spread the blame around as widely as possible, just think the military-security-political-media apparatus of whole generations of this country’s establishment are culpable, already egregious war criminals proven by voluminous evidence . Could Blair even have stopped it if he had non-psychopathic conscience of any degree and put his foot firmly on the brake instead of the accelerator?

    Hope the film goes well, I’m could make myself available for any glamourous dashing scenes.

  22. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:01 pm

    A date for your diary -

    http://www.globalfemaleleaders.com/

    Apparently Cherie is a global female leader. Anyone know why?

    http://www.globalfemaleleaders.com/speaker/cherie-blair/

    In Zurich, like this executive jet in January….

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/61993874@N08/12951512343/in/photolist-kJtToX-dZ8QYY

  23. Ba’al

    Blair has good reason for whooping up on Kurdish Newroz for all the profits from his ventures in Iraq. Looks like the -stans and Mongolia are going to get similar freedoms soon.

    The party lasted long enough in Kurdistan for the oil to flow into corporate pockets. Maliki has now been told by his USUKIS paymasters to spend the cash on weaponry and switch the Kurdish cash off.

    Surely Ba’al would be first to be celebrating the spring equinox. I have a feeling you must be an imposter/ false god.

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:38 pm

    “I thought the project had gone cold. Craig, could you get GG to give some idea when the film might be released and give him our best wishes.”
    ______________________-

    give him Mary’s best wishes (but not mine) and also ask him to make sure that he accounts properly for all the money which subscribers have coughed up for the film. Havana cigars included.

  25. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:40 pm

    Guano, where do you get the idea I would not celebrate Naw Ruz? (the spelling varies with the location I think)? I am a Canaanite god, with strong ties to Mesopotamia and Persia. Just a little eclipsed right now by all those tedious followers of a Book….

    Meanwhile, in Albania, the Crown Agents are about to reduce tax evasion and smuggling. You know, like they do so successfully here? And it’s all thanks to Tony Blair -

    http://www.balkaneu.com/foreign-company-starts-work-albanian-customs-fight-evasion/

    The opposition isn’t happy -

    “The opposition and several media in Albania have declared that the company that was hired to work in the Albanian Customs had close ties with the former British premier, Tony Blair, who is an advisor to prime minister Edi Rama. The opposition has accused the government of making an abusive contract at the detriment of the state budget. The government has considered these accusations as unacceptable.”

    But that never made much difference in Albania. This guy has a sharp take on the common ground between Albania’s current government and Blair-era neutered Britain -

    http://continentcontinent.cc/blog/tag/tony-blair/

    Worth a read.

  26. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:56 pm

    Not sure a film is gonna remove the shit-eating grins Dubya and Blair display in public. Their lack of repentance is evidence of a dearth of conscience and such allows them to blow off what they see and hear about their governance.

  27. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    ‘The Trap’ by Adam Curtis, is blocked from my last link for copyright reasons. Try here -

    http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/145347/The_Trap_Fuck_You_Buddy_BBC/

    Another sharp and visceral take on Blair.

  28. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:00 pm

    Ben, all one can do is try and get people to see Blair and Bush in their true light. Especially, I think, Blair. Bush was led by the nose – Blair was attached to Bush’s other end.

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    Macky

    “Craig, I hope Galloway doesn’t known that you apparently disparage him by stating that he tales porkies;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/09/blair-and-kanye-west-are-prostitutes/comment-page-10/#comment-429529
    ________________

    Are you stirring la merde again?

    The link you give merely has Nevermind claiming that Craig told him GG tell lies.

    Can you provide a direct link to Craig claiming that?

  30. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    Ba’al; It’s a daisy-chain. The group-grope of TEAM USA !!!

  31. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:23 pm

    Will Farrell in an excerpt from his hour-long, in-character portrayal of Dubya in the HBO special.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIB_SMG7kv0

  32. Sofia Kibo Noh

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Ba’al Zevul (I Don’t Know if I can Keep This Up). 10 08am

    The Inquiry appears to have omitted to examine whether actions relating to the Iraq War involved criminal offences under UK law.

    I wonder if GG has considered it?

    He better have. Great to see this film is happening. A sound investment by all!

    Dr Andrew Watt .9 17am.

    I suggest that jail for life is a more appropriate outcome.

    Mary. 10 50 am

    As I have suggested for BLiar, a cell on a cold island with a loop playing of the screams of injured Iraqi children.

    Noisy Tappet. 11 13pm
    Personally, I’d suspend him by the goolies from a lamp-post on Tower Bridge rather than let him rot in jail at taxpayers’ expense.

    Seems our blood-soaked friend has got the creative juices flowing! I’d like to see him cleaning the toilets in Fallujah maternity hospital, for whatever remains of his miserable, useless life. That way he’ll get to see a tiny,but dreadful, part of the human tragedy he engineered and have to look into the eyes of his victims.

    Tony M. 1 58 pm

    Hope the film goes well, I’m could make myself available for any glamourous dashing scenes.

    Yes good luck and

    YES, ME TOO….PLEASE!!

  33. exposing Blair for the callous treacherous, money grabbing, morally weak, mass murderer that he is.

    Everybody knows that already. The film will be a safety valve.

    Look at Galloway’s record.

    - Mission to Saddam Hussein’s government after official British diplomats had pulled out

    - Formerly he did stuff behind the Iron Curtain that wasn’t suitable for British diplomats to do

    - His political party, Respect, helps keep British Muslims supporting British parliamentary-democratic illusions. And I don’t mean as opposed to violence. I mean as opposed to realising that the whole political system stinks and there is no point playing its game.

    - Some of the people around Galloway have had long records at, ahem, organisations such as the British Council and Amnesty International.

    Is the penny dropping yet?

    Yes, sure, Blair is a war criminal.

    Politicians don’t run the show. I’m not saying that’s any mitigation. It’s not. Yes, he should be tried at the Hague and sentenced to life imprisonment with forfeiture of all his many millions of quid worth of assets. I’m saying that thinking that creeps like Blair run the state is ridiculous.

  34. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    ‘The film will be a safety valve.’

    ‘His political party, Respect, helps keep British Muslims supporting British parliamentary-democratic illusions. And I don’t mean as opposed to violence. I mean as opposed to realising that the whole political system stinks and there is no point playing its game.’

    Much in that. I really recommend you watch “The Trap” -from end to end if you can, but certainly Part 3. Reagan’s (Huntington’s) democracy lite: give the people the vote, but make sure nothing else changes….

  35. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:59 pm

    ‘A sound investment by all!’

    I’ll endorse that when I see it, maybe. I don’t think your Dad is being entirely unfair for once. GG’s politically naif, and dishonesty is a word that has been mentioned in that connection. Sorry…but. Will even the fullest exposure of Blair’s activities resonate enough to get anything done about it? Or will we just get another interminable enquiry under a safe pair of hands?

  36. [craigmurray.org.uk - deleted; personal attack against Habbabkuk.]

  37. Here is a nifty little number “The Citizens arrest of Tony Blair.” Music mix
    As its Friday night its music night.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vevw36LcUm4&feature=youtu.be

  38. The proof is a click away in the handle up and to the left. Created in 2004 with the help of DoctorsforIraq the links are now granular, decayed or removed by culpable uneasiness; the images nonetheless go on, frozen on our event horizon while the survivors, the children of Iraq who endured that terrible massacre eleven years to this day, are now of age, determined with just a little help to conquer the scars of their loss, the hurt of their mental and physical pain and the memories buried deep within their hearts.

    Thank-you.

  39. [craigmurray.org.uk - deleted; personal attack, target unclear.]

  40. I remember the gorgeous one from his days on the GMC of the Labour party in Dundee.
    I better stop now, as i’m poor.

  41. Just to mention that about 2 weeks ago on RADIO 4 the lawyer husband of Melanie Phillips on LAW IN ACTION plugged an item about ARREST TONY BLAIR but the programme when broadcast proved to be a reactionary wash-out. Very disappointing. I wonder if it was put together purposely as a put down to those hoping that Blair will one day be held to account.

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 7:04 pm

    Anyway, enough of Macky and let’s think of something pleasant and inspiring for a change! Here are threes bits of news I gleaned from the media during the day and they are bit of news which can only be welcomed by every right-minded and normal person. They are all from the world of medicine and healthcare, seen broadly.

    1/. British govt about the make a vaccination for meningitis B available under the National Health Service; many will in future be protected from this killer disease as from their youngest years. Britain is the first country in the world to offer this vaccination as a part of its state health provision and it is, if course, free.

    Habbabkuk says : Conservatives care for health and the NHS. NHS in good shape.

    2/. Two adults – one of whom is a medical doctor! – are to be prosecuted in Britain for the offence of facilitating and encouraging the beastly practice of female genital mutilation. Although FGM has been illegal for years, and the practice is believed to be widespread, this is the first time that the DPP has authorised a prosecution for this offence.

    Habbabkuk says : this shows many encouraging things, first and foremost that the authorities have the welfare of the entire population at heart, in particular that of young Moslem girls who are the principal if not exclusive victims in the UK of this beastly practice. Conservatives care and will not let political correctness stand in the way of the rights of girls and women.

    3/. Govt statistics just released apparently reveal that the number of people in the UK aged 100 or over has quadrupled over the last 30 years. The increase was higher in England and Wales than in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Average life expectancy has also risen significantly over the same period.

    Habbabkuk says : this significant increase, occurring over the last 30 years (ie since the early 1980s), indicates that Thatcherism and its legacy is good for longevity; and the motto surely has to be : “more people live to be a healthy hundred in a climate of healthy competition and free enterprise”!

    One can, I think, truly say:
    *************************
    La vita è bella, life is goooood!

  43. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 7:11 pm

    Ian Cameron

    “the lawyer husband of Melanie Phillips”
    ________________________

    His name is Joshua Rosenberg. Definitely not related to the late Red revolutionary Roza Luksemburg, although both have smallish beards.

  44. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 7:14 pm

    Rozenberg, actually.

  45. Juteman

    Yes, I do too.

  46. 38 Degrees e-mail FYI

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    “Do you recognise how much influence you as an organisation have on the way people think about politics and politicians?”

    That’s what a Conservative MP said to me yesterday about 38 Degrees members. I was speaking in front of a committee of MPs looking into why people choose not to vote or get involved with the political process. I wanted to speak for as many of us as possible – so thank you to all 110,000 members who filled in the survey this week. [1]

    It really felt like some of the MPs were listening. Some of them were clearly rattled after hearing our home truths. But they all recognised that we’re a hugely influential movement – and that’s because our strength comes from the way we work together.

    In his closing remarks, the committee chair, Graham Allen MP even said:

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    I’ve never been called a gorilla before. But putting that aside, if I’d had the opportunity to respond, I would have said that our power comes from all 2.5 million of us standing together. To watch the evidence session click here:

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    Reading through your responses to the survey, what stood out above all else was a very real crisis of confidence, in politicians and the political system over all. I did my best to represent your views and hopefully I did a good job. [2] But it was hard not to get angry on behalf of us all.

    One of the Conservative MPs in the committee, Christopher Chope, chipped in at the beginning to say that this survey wasn’t representative of the public at large. And then left 10 minutes into the session. Another MP wouldn’t let me get a word in edgeways, it seemed he just wanted to shout at me, not listen.

    I know lots of us are sceptical about what happens next. But, together, we need to push for our democracy to work better for all of us. It’s too important to leave to politicians alone. What’s clear is that our movement proves that we deserve better – and together we’ll continue to work to achieve this.

    To watch me give evidence to the committee of MPs click here:
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    YES – I would volunteer to lead a team

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    [2] If you felt that I didn’t represent your views you can write straight to the committee of MPs, the ‘Political and Constitutional Reform Select Committee’ here:
    pcrc@parliament.uk

  47. George is a wasted career. He could have made a difference, if he wasn’t so dazzled by fame and fortune, and his loyalty to the British state.
    I can remember feeling pride as the flag of Nablus was hoisted above the city chambers.

  48. Anyone know what GG is doing with all that money??

    Anyway, super news all round as Tories set for six more years, Farage likely to cause the 3 parties a major upset at the EU elections, and Scots about to vote No on independence.

    Meanwhile, nil points to the far-left, as always.

    More direct action needed!

  49. “I can remember feeling pride as the flag of Nablus was hoisted above the city chambers.”

    And there you have the far-left dunces summed up.

  50. Resident Dissident

    21 Mar, 2014 - 8:35 pm

    You could ask George what he thinks of his employer Al Mayadeen talking repeatedly about the Syrian regime’s cleansing of its opponents in their news bulletins rather than their murder.

  51. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 8:57 pm

    It was a very good idea to don the sheep’s clothing…

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/52863/anne-applebaum/tony-blair-and-the-new-left

    “Still, when the history of Britain’s Labour Party is written, the real break from socialism will probably be dated from January 20, 1997, the day that Gordon Brown, Labour’s shadow chancellor of the exchequer, announced that a future Labour government would not raise personal income taxes during its first term in office — and would not increase public spending for its first two years in office. With that statement, which took most of the Labour Party by surprise, nearly two decades of Labour attacks on “Tory cuts” and the “unfair Tory tax system” fell by the wayside, along with more than four decades of socialist assumptions: Brown was telling not only the voters, but the nursing, teaching, and public sector unions who support the Labour Party that a Labour government’s top priority would not be spending. Hardly surprising, then, that last year, when their own polling revealed that most voters do indeed believe Tony Blair is different from his predecessors, even Tories gave up trying to identify him with his party’s socialist past. They instead invented a new slogan: “New Labour, New Danger.”

  52. Anon

    “Tories set for six more years, Farage likely to cause the 3 parties a major upset at the EU elections, and Scots about to vote No on independence.”

    Maybe some imprisonment of political opponents might see Farage and his racist views in contempt with further alienation of peoples and division of the social state.

    Unification of people against oppression and institutionalisation.

  53. “Sounds less like a film, more like a good idea.”

    Wishing somebody dead Mr Murray? Not only would I have thought that risked a visit from plod but I expected you to be implacably opposed to the death penalty.

  54. I think when Blair dies I shall manage to refrain from unseemly displays of grief.

  55. Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Tony Blair was responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Arabs. Then we would have to assign to Pol Pot 10 times that guilt, Mugabe perhaps 20 times that much, the Kim dynasty of North Korea 100 times that much and Comrades Stalin and Lenin 1000 times as much. Thus in perspective it is better to get hot under the collar about godless Communist rulers than Dubya’s good pal. Finally, I don’t hold Blair personally responsible for 100,000 deaths. The question is more complicated than Blair deciding on a Final Solution for 100,000 Iraqis.

  56. Kempe.

    Irony’s gone rusty considering retrospective evidence.

  57. GutterTheQuantifier

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    Please, God, take good care of George.
    We wept when you took Bob away from us.
    And we wept when you took Tony away from us.
    But we have not lost hope.
    Please, Lord, take good care of George.

  58. Director of said film was arrested. Galloway will, I’m quite sure, find himself the victim of some Daily Mail smear quite soon. Apparently they are looking into Cheir Blair’s political career, Blair’s time at Fettes, and other such matters. Galloway should be very careful indeed if he touches on the early life of Bliar, is my guess.

    Apparently BTL wibblers are now subject to libel laws; a conspicuous example of the corruption of the legal establishment. So my guess is we all have to be careful around Bliar. His quite obvious and evident personality disorder – it really is blatant these days – is not to be discussed in polite society, it seems. This is a shame, I think. Because an open discussion of our ‘leaders’ (and Blair was never a leader of anything at all) is a good thing for society. Maybe one day it will be possible. Not at the moment, alas.

    I suspect GG will have a handy heart atatck soon. And, yes, I am this paranoid about our establishment.

  59. [Banned contributor]

  60. BrianFujisan

    22 Mar, 2014 - 1:07 am

    GREAT idea Craig… Would love to have been a fly on the wall at that Meeting…Looking forward to that film …. Though i keep thinking Cameron is getting off light..barely a mention that he is also a war criminal… Libya, Syria…bastards the lot of them.

    Mary

    Re BDS,

    British architects vote to ban Israeli group from industry association over expanding settlements

    The Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), the UK’s leading architectural association, has passed a motion calling on the foremost architectural union in the world, The International Union of Architects (UIA) to suspend Israel’s Association of United Architects (IAUA) over Israel’s continued illegal settlement expansion in the occupied Palestinian territories.

    The motion was based on a previous 2005 RIBA resolution condemning ”projects and the construction of buildings on land that has been ethnically purified or illegally appropriated”.

    Harriet Sherwood reporting for The Guardian states this is an indication the boycott movement is growing and quotes BDS spokesperson Rafeef Ziadah:

    …(Riba) has demanded the suspension of … (IAUA) from the international body, saying it is complicit in the construction of illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and other violations of international law.

    Some more @

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/architects-association-settlements.html

  61. Who are these people and where do they come from?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/cambridges-racist-may-ball-now-proslavery-song-heard-at-launch-of-event-9208811.html

    How did those from other backgrounds feel?

    ‘Tensions increased when a group at the launch party for the black-tie event started chanting “The South will rise again”, the anthem sung by the pro-slavery Confederates in the American Civil War.

    Members of the organising committee managed to stop the singing, but the incident caused deep disquiet at St Edmund’s, which is one of the most multi-ethnic colleges at Cambridge University. Around two-thirds of its students are from non-UK countries.’

  62. Thanks Brian. I had already had that from my youngest brother who is an architect. He sent a link to it from a magazine called Building Design so the RIBA motion is getting wide coverage in the construction world.

    Note that there is a mention on the creation and construction of an Israeli archaeological museum. No mention of the Palestinian history. All about the Dead Sea Scrolls.

    Row breaks out over Angela Brady’s RIBA Israel motion
    19 March 2014
    RIBA votes for suspension of Israeli architects from international body
    The RIBA has approved a motion calling for the suspension of the Israeli professional body from the International Architects Union (UIA).
    The motion, proposed by Angela Brady and backed by more than 60 members including Will Alsop, Richard Murphy and Jeremy Till, was carried by 23 to 16 with 10 abstentions in a secret ballot.
    Supporters at the RIBA Council debate yesterday argued that the Israeli Association of United Architects (IAUA) should be suspended until it condemns the policy of building illegal settlements in the occupied territories.
    Brady, who tweeted a picture of herself wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the RIBA charter, said one of the profession’s core skills was promoting well-being.
    She told Council: “Refusing this motion would send a clear message to the world at large that we as an institution turn a blind eye or by inaction support what’s going on – land grabs, forced removals, killing the state and human rights and reinforcement of apartheid.”
    She added: “We must act now. This has gone on too long. We’re at a tipping point. Israel’s illegal actions mean Palestine could be wiped out.”
    Speaking in support, George Oldham said: “Why Israel? It’s the only [country] where fellow member architects are directly involved in illegal acts. This is an entirely reasonable sanction.”
    And James Karl Fischer said: “Not to carry this motion is to make us irrelevant.”
    But other Council members argued it was the “wrong motion”, describing it as a misguided attempt to tackle an injustice.
    Anthony Clerici, acknowledging that it was one of the “most difficult debates I have sat through in this room”, said it was inconsistent of the UIA to seek the suspension of one of its members and not others.
    “The RIBA is already influencing for the better in many places in the world such as Libya, China, Russia, Saudi. I feel this is a better way that we should follow,” he said.
    Francesca Weal said North Korea was a member of the UIA. “Don’t you think architects are designing prison camps and torture chambers there,” she said. “Angela went to China on a trade mission to a country that took over another country: Tibet. We haven’t had a motion about China. It’s a big, powerful country where members get a lot of work.”
    Sumita Sinha, who has worked in the occupied territories, questioned whether expulsion would make any difference on the ground. She pointed out that the RIBA already does not validate schools of architecture in Israel/Palestine.
    “China, North Korea, countries in the Middle East all have bad human rights records,” she said. “Why are we singling out one country?”
    Brady accused “some people in this room” of allowing their desire to work in Israel/Palestine to influence the way they voted.
    Afterwards, welcoming the result, she said: “This shows the RIBA has teeth and it’s going to use them in a positive way. This is not a boycott.
    “Maybe China will be next but this is the starting point.”
    RIBA member and chair of Architects and Planners for Justice in Palestine, Abe Hayeem, who worked with Brady on the motion, said: “We urge the RIBA not to hesitate in backing this Motion to call for the IAUA’s suspension from the UIA, due to its failure to practice in line with the UIA Accords and Resolutions and the architect’s duty to all of society.”
    ISRAEL TO BUILD ARCHAEOLOGICAL CENTRE
    Israeli architect Moshe Safdie has designed a new national archaeological centre to showcase two million artefacts.
    The 35,000sq m centre is being built in Jerusalem and will house around 150,000 books. The government’s collection of 15,000 Dead Sea scroll fragments will also be moved into a new conservation laboratory at the centre. The scheme is due to be completed in 2016.

  63. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 9:30 am

    Brendan

    “Galloway should be very careful indeed if he touches on the early life of Bliar, is my guess.”
    ___________________

    Brendan, I hold absolutely no brief for Blair, but certainly Galloway – as anyone else – should be careful when making a biopic about someone. The laws of libel apply to Galloway as to everyone else.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ~”His quite obvious and evident personality disorder – it really is blatant these days – is not to be discussed in polite society, it seems. This is a shame, I think. Because an open discussion of our ‘leaders’ (and Blair was never a leader of anything at all) is a good thing for society. Maybe one day it will be possible. Not at the moment, alas.”

    Never let accuracy get in the way of something you feel you just have to say. The late former Labour MP and qualified pyscologist Leo Abse wrote a book called “Tony Blair – the man behind the smile” twenty odd years ago. I’ve brought this book to the attention of readers on a number of occasions. So the question of Blair’s inner personality has been in the public domain for quite a time.

    Leo Abse died a natural death, by the way, and was never sued as far as I know.

  64. I remember when Blair was challenged on slavishly helping the US attack Iraq. He gave a sneering little laugh and said “It’s worse than that”, boasting how if the US had been against attacking Iraq, he’d have pushed them as hard as he could to change their position.

    “It’s worse than that”, with a laugh.

    It reminded me of when George W Bush ‘joked’ on camera that staff had better check under his desk in the Oval Office to make sure there were no “weapons of mass destruction” there.

    Yes, both of these men have mental-health problems.

  65. The father of the House is standing down next year.

    MP Sir Peter Tapsell to stand down in 2015
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26683935

    He brought the House down in gales of laughter in 2006 when referring to BLiar and his reliance on divine powers for going to war.

    Another of Sir Peter’s references to BLiar.

    Sir Peter Tapsell (Louth and Horncastle) (Con): The invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq was, in my view, a strategic, political and humanitarian blunder of historic magnitude. It was a strategic blunder because the traditional aim of British foreign policy over the centuries, the maintenance of a balance of power in each region where we have a national interest, has been destroyed in the middle east. It rested on the balancing of the triangular animosities of Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Iran—respectively secular, Sunni and Shi’a—each hostile to the other two. That is why when Iraq invaded Iran in the 1980s, and it looked as though Iran would win the war, Britain and the United States gave much support to Saddam Hussein, despite his being already a proven warmonger abroad and a murderous tyrant at home.

    The major beneficiary of the overthrow of Saddam and his secular tyranny has been Shi’a, theocratic, nuclear Iran, a far greater threat to western interests today than Saddam was in 2003, with his by then non-existent weapons of mass destruction—the excuse for the invasion so shamefully advanced in the House by our Prime Minister, to his everlasting disgrace. I did not believe him then, and I voted against the invasion.

    The occupation of Iraq by foreigners has made Iran the most potent political force in the middle east, as Hezbollah recently demonstrated in Lebanon, so the neo-cons, who had long been plotting an attack on Iraq, in the event achieved nothing for Israel, and Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states are more than ever fearful of Iran.

    The invasion was a political blunder because the attack on Iraq divided the United Nations, divided NATO, divided the European Union, inflamed Islamic opinion against Britain at home and abroad, constrained British diplomatic influence and commercial success in the middle east and beyond, increased the influence of President Putin’s Russia, weakened the world economy by forcing up the price of oil and, at a significantly lower level of importance, has largely destroyed the political reputation of our Prime Minister.

    The war was a humanitarian blunder because of the tragic deaths of so many British and American soldiers and the many more whose bodies have been maimed and whose lives have been ruined, and the sadness and suffering that that has brought to their families, which will stay with them for the rest of their lives. It was a humanitarian blunder also because of the countless and largely uncounted tens of thousands of wholly innocent non-combatant Iraqis—Shi’a, Sunni and Kurds—who have been slaughtered, mutilated, orphaned or robbed of their homes and livelihoods by reason of the chaos into which the invasion has plunged the country that was Iraq, but can never be Iraq again.

    As a result of his tragic misjudgments in the middle east, our Prime Minister is, figuratively speaking, more deeply steeped in blood than any Scottish politician since Macbeth. We need an inquiry to tell us how he led us into this disaster, and to make sure that no vainglorious and ignorant Prime Minister can ever do so again.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/vo061031/debtext/61031-0010.htm#06103184001500
    31.10.2006

  66. Hold the front page! Blair is a morally weak, lying war criminal. Gorgeous George will put down his cigar and tell us all how it really is. Don’t rustle your crisp packets in the audience.

    I have the same feeling about this film as I had about Tariq Ali’s play, staged some time around 1997-98, which brought people the news that New Labour was ‘all style and no substance’.

    Another safety-valve.

  67. The flag of Nablus was hoisted above the city chambers.

    And nearby, Marks and Spencer went on trading as usual, right?
    And Starbucks.
    And Group Four.
    And Caterpillar.

    But the flag flapped meaningfully in the wind?

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 10:56 am

    Martin T (10h20)

    Brilliant post, Martin, I’m still chuckling. It’s almost poetry. Many thanks!

  69. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 11:04 am

    Abe Rene

    “Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Tony Blair was responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Arabs. Then we would have to assign to Pol Pot 10 times that guilt, Mugabe perhaps 20 times that much, the Kim dynasty of North Korea 100 times that much and Comrades Stalin and Lenin 1000 times as much. Thus in perspective it is better to get hot under the collar about godless Communist rulers than Dubya’s good pal. Finally, I don’t hold Blair personally responsible for 100,000 deaths. The question is more complicated than Blair deciding on a Final Solution for 100,000 Iraqis.”
    ______________________

    So much good sense in your post that I’m reposting it.

    Intentions and absolute numbers are factors which need to weigh in any comparisons.

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 11:07 am

    “The father of the House is standing down next year.”
    _________________

    That got me wondering, perhaps unforgivably whimsically: if the longest-serving MP were in fact ever to be a woman, would she still be called the father of the House?

  71. Habbabkuk; “The link you give merely has Nevermind claiming that Craig told him GG tell lies.

    Can you provide a direct link to Craig claiming that?”

    Sorry, but my dutiful & helpful reply to you has been removed, leaving the erroneous assertion in your question to strangely remain,so I once again kindly direct you to the key word in my comment that you either missed, or even perhaps don’t seem to know the meaning of;

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apparently

  72. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    Macky

    Yes, I remember. You used the word “apparently” to enable you to wriggle out of the charge of stirring up la merde for Craig.

    Didn’t work, apparently: you were spotted by others as well. Better luck next time, Macky., and have a nice day.

  73. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 12:26 pm

    Martin T

    While we’re on left-wing local govt inanities, did not David Blunkett declare the city of Sheffield to be a nuclear-free zone? Or was it Ken Livingstone and London?

    Either way, the Kremlin apparently (that’s for you, Macky) never got back to them on this.

  74. Habbabkuk; “Yes, I remember. You used the word “apparently” to enable you to wriggle out of the charge of stirring up la merde for Craig”

    Sorry this non sequitur response doesn’t address as to why you chose to deliberately falsely state that I “claimed” something that I didn’t ? Is was a question addressed direct at Craig seeking clarification, hence that important “apparently” word, which he has pointedly declined to do.

  75. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 2:00 pm

    Macky

    “Is was a question addressed direct at Craig seeking clarification,…”

    __________________________

    This is exactly what you wrote, Macky, no more and no less:

    ““Craig, I hope Galloway doesn’t known that you apparently disparage him by stating that he tales porkies;”"

    Doesn’t sound like a question to me, Macky.

    Rather, I detect a rather pleased tone, a touch of sarcasm, a dash of malevolence. I agree with the other commenter who thought you were trying to get your own back on Craig for the tickings off he gave you.

    *************

    Over and out on this one, more important thing to discuss! Have a nice day now.

  76. 1+2+ three, gosh, who would have thought…Blair is a liar and deserves to be investigated by a team of judges and a proper researcher, full on Ba’al, Clarissa Dickson Rights claims about Blair,written in her autobiography, may she rest in peace, should also be investigated.

    No doubt GG will also be held to account for his past claims and dalliances, but for now he’s the best there is ‘investigating’ Blair.

    I’d like to offer him an opportunity to proof one of his claims, i.e. that he is a boxer. I’m willing to give him three minutes of my doubts in the appropriate ring, gloves or no gloves.

  77. Jemand

    And was the last Ashes tour cricket? One has to keep one’s pecker up somehow, brother.

  78. Habbabkuk; “Doesn’t sound like a question to me, Macky”

    Perhaps you need a refresher course in Basic English Comprehension skills, as my comment was certainly not a claim but an open question.

    The person who IS actually claiming that Craig stated Galloway lies, is of course Nevermind, so best direct your accusation to him, then at least this time you won’t be making things up.

  79. Nevermind; “I’d like to offer him an opportunity to proof one of his claims”

    As I imagine Habbabkuk will chicken out of asking you, I will do it for him;

    Do you stand by your statement of Craig telling you that Galloway lies ?

  80. If I could impart some friendly advice, stop digging Macky!

  81. Thanks, but no thanks Anon; nothing will ever stop me digging for Truth & Justice by confronting irrationalities & hypocrisy. :D

  82. BrianFujisan

    23 Mar, 2014 - 2:01 am

    [craigmurray.org.uk - leave it to the moderators brianfujisan.]

  83. [Banned contributor]

  84. Whatever the truth or otherwise of what Craig has previously said and whether George Galloway is occasionally dishonest or misunderstood, you Macky are doing no one any favours, least of all yourself. You’re not a champion of “Truth and Justice” as you proclaim yourself to be, just a vindictive scragg out to derail Craig’s work.

  85. Listen, please will you refrain from vile utterances.

    Enlighten yourself. Fight exploitation and wrongdoing.
    http://www.antislavery.org/english/what_we_do/education/forced_child_cotton_picking_schools_competition.aspx

  86. Some refreshing views from George Galloway’s guests this week. Recommended.

    Seumas Milne on Tony Benn and Davisd Chandler on the break up of Yugoslavia.

    ‘Britain and the United States bombed Yugoslavia having spent decades subverting it, splintering it into an alphabet soup of countries and states. A NATO enforced “peace” in Bosnia-Herzegovina is now neither stable nor peaceful with predictions of a “Bosnian Spring” thickening the air. We invited Professor David Chandler of Westminster University into the studio to help make sense of the NATO sponsored break-up of Yugoslavia and ask whether this has been a success or a failure.

    And we dedicate part two to The Right Honourable Tony Benn who died last week. Seumas Milne, Associate Editor of the Guardian and author of the epic book The Enemy Within joins us to discuss the greatest British socialist leader of the last 50 years, as we look at Tony Benn’s life and times and the meaning of his death to the British left.’

  87. Galloway’s film ought to have been called ‘The Killings of Tony Blair’. As it stands the title suggests viewers will be treated to a feature-length disembowelment of the former PM, and while that might constitute pleasurable viewing for many here, it may be deemed confusing or even offputting to many.

    As for some of the regular violent fantasies towards Blair indulged in by many here and so excellently put into perspective by Abe Rene above, I’ve always felt a short spell – say two months – of community service would be ample punishment for his sins. In Fallujah.

  88. “the greatest British socialist leader of the last 50 years”

    Benn never led his party, he never even held any of the four most important offices of government.

    Benn’s socialism extended to renouncing his title, but not, unfortunately, to renouncing his inherited wealth, which, thanks to his astute use of an inheritence tax loophole, can now be safely passed on to his son.

    If anyone wonders why there have been no street parties or songs celebrating his death, it’s because he wasn’t a success.

    Another Bollinger Bolshevik, Benn will be remembered chiefly for being a fantastic gift to the right.

    .

  89. In other news:

    “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty and Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead are delighted to announce that their son, the Hon Stephen Kinnock, Husband of the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Denmark, has been appointed Labour prospective parliamentary candidate for Aberavon.”

    Who says socialism doesn’t pay?

  90. macky, it is irrelevant, it was years back, and georgeous george is not going to bite, not on the boxing or on giving straight answers.
    That said I hereby claim that all of us are liars when it suits us or when we are put on the spot/surprised with a question we don’t want to answer, its called evasive lying.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-spector-md/lying_b_2095068.html

    “The first maps the broad spectrum of lies, from the socially sanctioned and the self-deceiving to the conscious intent to mislead. The second area pertains to the lying animal, homo mendax, us humans.”

    Those who make out that figureheads and politicians are honest should examine their own personal life’s before asking others.
    Anyway this is about a film on another liar, a bigger and better one than George, who raises his children into his dynastic lying clan and wants them to turn out just like him….

  91. OT, sorry.

    Can one remotely take over a plane? and who has an interest in doing away with 20 of China’s top cryptographers?
    rhetorical questions after two weeks of ‘projected’ failure to find this plane.
    Who has the ability to shut off 200 cellphones on board that plane? asnd how many Awacs plane’s were in the air at the time after the plane disappeared? Questions only well connected diplomats can find out.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nsa-spied-on-chinese-government-and-networking-firm-huawei-a-960199.html

    and a more obscure site asking similar questions.
    http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-is-either-hidden-at-diego-garcia-or-tucson-arizona/

  92. Anon
    23 Mar, 2014 – 9:45 am

    “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty and Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead are delighted to announce that their son, the Hon Stephen Kinnock, Husband of the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Denmark, has been appointed Labour prospective parliamentary candidate for Aberavon.”

    “Who says socialism doesn’t pay?”

    If you think the Kinnocks are or ever were socialist you don’t understand politics.

  93. The last post raises an interesting point… the giving away of the Chagos Islands to the US for developing a massive air base was surely contrary to International Law. The historical record suggests that the pragmatic Harold Wilson may have done this very quietly as a sop to the US for UK not getting involved in Vietnam. But I’m sure that if the Chagos Islanders had held a referendum in 1970 (or whenever it was…) they would have voted for the status quo.

  94. A nice idea you could make a 3 part movie to rival Lord of the Rings
    “Lord of the Ka-chings”(sound of a cash register)
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/burger-eating-war-monkeys-and-thier-track-record/
    Tweedle Dem roars!!
    unfortunately it is just the pressure value on the boiler of representative democracy,its just letting off steam so the boiler does not explode!
    Tweedle Dem the third Tweedle that never gets a REAL say!
    Its people like Craig Murray or George Galloway
    If only Tweedle Dem could run the show ,everything would turn out roses!!!
    LOL…yeah right!! These Buddha like leaders will lead us into a New political age…?!?!?!
    A fantasy held by many representative democracy supportters because no-one ever told them about Direct Democracy!
    That is because centralised authorities make people scared and ignorant!
    Because an informed and confident people would never tolerate a centralised authority telling them what to do!
    In a true Direct Democracy we would NOT NEED this movie! The event would never of happened or he would already be in jail!!!
    IF Craig and George do NOT support Direct Democracy then the best they can offer is THIER version of a “benign dictatorship”, which would be quickly removed from any real power by a political Mainstream media advertising campaign and the systematic retaking of the tools of centralised authority!
    …just like after WWII!
    Sorry guys BUT you both are flogging dead horses here!!
    In political reality YOU are either “useful idiots” for the status quo or “gatekeepers” for the status quo.
    Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic will not stop it sinking!
    ..,.does George Galloway agree with your “puttin’ the boot in to Putin”?!
    and Craig ,has it sunk in yet ,that PUTIN AND BLAIR are in power due to the system of “representative democracy”
    A system YOU support!!
    …you complain about Putin and Blair BUT not about the system that gives him massive power? Hypocray?
    With this political system in power…WHO DO YOU THINK WILL REPLACE THEM?
    …a Gandhi like leader or another political dictatorial thug!?
    Would YOU like to put some money on this result?
    It is the very same political system in the East or West!!!
    Direct Democracy is the only PROVEN SOLUTION!!!
    …..that was my last post on this subject! As I cannot afford to waste my time flogging dead horses!
    Have a nice life guys and try not to destroy the planet with your delusional beliefs in “representative democracy” and “centralised authorities”!
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2014/03/21/direct-democracy-vs-representative-democracy-or-pure-democracy-vs-elected-dictatorship-the-real-root-of-todays-global-destruction/
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/how-do-we-achieve-freedom-liberty-and-democracy-without-fuss-or-bloodshed/
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/a-direct-democracy-independant-scotland/

  95. The most recent injustice against the Chagos Islanders:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1102064/chagos-islands-court-defeat-over-marine-park

    Some of the comments are particularly poignant.

  96. @Mark G. Have you heard of the Kurdistan memory programm?
    http://www.kurdmemory.com/

    and this about the company who filmd these personal records.
    http://www.rwfworld.com/company/

  97. “Who has the ability to shut off 200 cellphones on board that plane?”

    Can we put this one to bed please?

    Cell phones are low power devices, they rely on there being a receiver nearby, that’s why they call them cell phones. They have an absolute maximum range of around 50 miles in absolutely perfect conditions. Inside the body of an aircraft it would most probably be considerably less.

  98. thanks Fred, so you think that nobody on that plane had any contact whatsoever after take off, not on their way over the malakan peninsula, not when crossing over Malaysia after doing a 180 deg.

    You think that is likely?
    Another point. Did any of these 20 cryptographers resist opeing their laptops after take off? I somehow don’t buy the story of non comms after take off, there were too many people on that plane.

    Why so much attention to this flight, but not to IR655 when it was shot down over the gulf of Hormuz, with 60 children on board?

  99. “You think that is likely?
    Another point. Did any of these 20 cryptographers resist opeing their laptops after take off? I somehow don’t buy the story of non comms after take off, there were too many people on that plane.”

    Look I don’t know if the plane was equipped with on board wi-fi or on board phone system or not. I think it would be unlikely in that part of the world. If it was both could be easily disabled by the pilot at the flick of a switch.

    Cell phones would definitely not work.

  100. thanks Fred.

  101. I rate this as the loveliest and happiest story of the day. May the couple have many happy years together and the Labs too.

    ‘Puppy love’ as couple marry after guide dogs ‘fell in love’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-26705194

    ~~~

    In another context I recently mentioned Guide Dogs for the Blind on this blog.

  102. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    23 Mar, 2014 - 5:19 pm

    “If you think the Kinnocks are or ever were socialist you don’t understand politics.”
    ______________________

    On the basis of the evidence so far, I should say that Anon has nothing to learn from Mr Scorgie when it comes to understanding politics.

    Be that as it may, the Excellent Scorgie’s comment reminded me of something the Lefties always come up with.

    It is this. Whenever one reminds a Leftie that a socialist govt has thoroughly messed up something, or left a dangerous legacy, the cry always goes up “Oh, but that government only called itself socialist, it wasn’t socialist at all!” And the same applies to the leaders of socialist parties or govts: they all disappointed, or fucked up, because they weren’t really socialists at all!

    Socialism, therefore, can do no wrong, and never be wrong, for the simple reason that is had never been practised in government.

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    23 Mar, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    Fred

    “Look I don’t know if the plane was equipped with on board wi-fi or on board phone system or not..”
    __________________________

    And you wisely shut up soon after. If only other Eminences, whose knowledge of the details relevant to the plane’s disappearance is certainly as limited as yours, had refrained from dribbbling and drooling their theories and accusations all over one of the preceding threads! LOL

  104. Habbabkuk at 5:19 pm

    Absolutely spot on.

    True socialists are as pure as the driven snow, but alas they don’t actually exist.

    So we are left with a bunch of socialists who spend their lives espousing socialist ideals, but as soon as they become grotesque hypocrites – as they invariably do – then they are conveniently brushed aside as non-socialists by the new generation of socialists and their acolytes who carry on with the whole charade.

    What a wonderful state of affairs. I think our correspondent ought to provide an example or two of a socialist who has managed to escape this cycle of hypocrisy.

  105. I have a book idea for Nevermind: “Whose Junk is it Anyway? The struggle for North Norfolk waste efficiency 2007-11″

    Author Nevermind details in this important new collaboration his efforts to apply a Soviet-style system to East Anglian waste refuse. Devastating in its critique of Western modes of recycling, Nevermind challenges the very notion of waste as a ‘Western illness’ and suggests radical new reforms which include the provision of nothing to everyone. “Nothing, when given to everyone”, notes the author, “produces nothing”. Available in hardback for the special price of £35.99.

  106. http://advancedplasmapower.com/

    made in Britain this company has eluded Norfolks Tory mafia for some time, instead they plnoked for the most expensive, most polluiting and oldest method, lets burn it all at the ned of the garden approach by chosing Cory Wheelabrator, a serial polluter.

    read up about it before you open your sore mouth, anon.

  107. Some research on hacking planes. Caused quite a fuss on pilot forums at the time. https://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2013ams/materials/D1T1%20-%20Hugo%20Teso%20-%20Aircraft%20Hacking%20-%20Practical%20Aero%20Series.pdf

    Allegedly also the radio hardware inside some consumer android devices can be persuaded to transmit and receive on ACARS frequencies.

  108. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.581466

    Foreign Ministry employees declare general strike, paralyzing Israel’s diplomatic system
    All Israeli foreign missions closed; Lieberman censures ‘miserable decision that lacks sense.’

    Foreign Ministry employees declared a general strike on Sunday, following two weeks of renewed sanctions. The strike is expected to close down the country’s foreign missions and totally paralyze the Israeli diplomatic system.

    For the first time in the history of the State of Israel, 103 Israeli missions abroad will be completely closed for an indefinite period of time, as will the Foreign Ministry’s headquarters in Jerusalem.

    The strike was called in protest of the employment conditions of Israeli diplomats and the Finance Ministry’s decision to cut their salaries over the renewed sanctions.

    …”The Treasury has declared a war-to-the-death against the Foreign Ministry of the State of Israel and the dedicated diplomats who fight for the rights of Israelis daily,” said Ya’akov Frumer, chairman of the Foreign Ministry workers committee.

    …The diplomats also refused to handle British Prime Minister David Cameron’s visit last week (though he came anyway), and are now refusing to cooperate on preparations for the pope’s visit to Israel in May.

  109. Habba. anon.

    Give us a break your talking of political socialism we adopt civilisational socialism.
    Growing up in the 70′s we had a term called the greater good and you will find it still common place amongst people. Socialism in society is helping, sharing, caring and that human quality is the basis of socialism and there are so many qualities that we aspire too that political socialism cannot offer.

  110. Scary stuff, AlcAnon. Next to be confiscated on planes… Android phones? I’m now seriously wondering whether flying is worth the risk, as well as whether to switch my allegiance to UKIP to help get us out of Europe. Perhaps time I stopped reading this forum…

  111. technicolour

    23 Mar, 2014 - 9:32 pm

    “Devastating in its critique of Western modes of recycling, Nevermind challenges the very notion of waste as a ‘Western illness’ and suggests radical new reforms”

    Well, he could, and it would be far too easy to do it. Good grief, whose planet are you living on? Just as one could criticise the ‘East’ for its nuclear waste dumps. One does not cancel out the other.

  112. Anon; “St Jon the Mod, in a final act of magnanimity, issued a pardon to all sinners”

    If so, he finished his shambolic moderating with yet another blunder, one that is now damning this Blog to continued troll infestation; maybe it was a deliberate goodbye poisoned present.

    However I don’t remember seeing a pardon for you, but I distinctly recall you being banned not so long ago.

  113. One more post. Ukraine appears to have cut electricity supply to Crimea… not sure if this means half the homes don’t have power. Not on BBC yet so could be one or other group spreading pro- or anti- propaganda. Like the Squonk logo, by the way, Anon. Reminds me of my youth… much more enlightened times.

  114. Peacemaker,

    Both “sides” are reporting rolling blackouts in Crimea

    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-reduce-energy-crimea-721/

    Electricity supply to Crimea has been reduced by half and the region is experiencing rotating blackouts following two accidents on power lines coming from Ukraine, Crimea’s energy company says.

    Earlier, Crimean Vice-PM Rustam Temirgaliev said that Ukrainian national energy company Ukrenergo reduced the electricity supply to Crimea by 50 percent. “Ukrenegro reduced the power in its power lines cutting the amount of supplied energy by half,” the top official told Kryminfo news agency.

    Temirgaliev also earlier described the power shortages as “blackmail” on behalf of Kiev.

    https://www.facebook.com/emaidanua/posts/605825482840464

    Euromaidan
    5 minutes ago ·
    21:36 In the Crimea, electricity is being switched off all over. This is stated by Crimean Facebook users.

    “Crimea. Simferopol. No electricity in Maryino. Nothin in Beloe, nothing on Dmitriya Ulyanova. What next?” Wrote journalist Osman Pashayev on his page.
    Other users confirmed that there is no electricity not only in Simferopol, but also in Kerch, half of Feodosiya, Belogorsk, Alushta, Dzhankoi, Yevpatoriya and the district centre Nizhnegorskoe.

    We remind you that the Crimea gets two thirds of its electricity from Ukraine. Russia, having occupied the Crimea, promised to renew the construction of the Crimean Nuclear Power Plant on Kazantip. – Ukr-Online.com

  115. Thanks, AlcAnon. You’d think that Russia would have anticipated this, but I suppose the referendum timetable would have made that impossible. Still, as long as no-one in the west reports on it, the world won’t know. I suppose it suits both sides in their own ways to keep it quiet. Pity for the poor Crimeans though.

  116. A story is making the rounds, first reported by the NY Times, that Iran is building a fake Nimitz carrier for unknown reasons.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/21/world/middleeast/a-ship-being-built-in-iran-looks-awfully-familiar-to-the-us.html

    Before this gets totally blown out of proportion, this is nothing more than a movie prop, for a film on Iran Air
    655 (shot down by the US Navy on July 3, 1988). Apparently the movie will be directed by Nader Talebzadeh and Paxton Winters.

    Source:
    http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/295806

    See also:
    http://isna.ir/en/news/92041207490/Iran-US-to-coproduce-film-on-1988-US-attack
    and
    http://www.payvand.com/news/13/may/1055.html

  117. Anon,

    Please define pure socialist, as I presume to be a pure socialist you would be regarded as an un carved block,

    “True socialists are as pure as the driven snow, but alas they don’t actually exist.”

  118. Is that you Earnest?

    http://williambowles.info/2014/03/23/white-house-information-warfare-by-vladimir-platov/

    Using the developed SMISC, a network of fictive online persons is created; they are registered with territorial binding to the information space in various countries. This procedure results in the impression of the existence of real people located in different regions of the planet, rather than sock puppets. An individual ‘biographical legend’ and character ‘details’ are created for each of the sock puppets. Ultimately, it is impossible even for advanced opponents to discover the fact of the manipulation of such fictive online persons, who can easily gain the trust of local bloggers.

    Traces of the implementation of the Operation Earnest Voice by the White House are obvious today on news sites and discussions in many countries, especially in Ukraine in the last few days. Website visitors are skillfully pitted against each other using this technology, interethnic hostility is implanted.

    It puzzles me why certain Earnest Voices cannot specify local times, as found next to the comments themselves, than converting them to 24h times or military conventions, and forcing others to do the opposite, many would rather and more productively skip the annoying distraction entirely. I expect you must have several more bad words to add to the banned list in the unlikely event of you one day ruling the world.

  119. Mean Mister Mustard; “Are you primarily commercial in your beatitudes?”

    Your reply to Technicolour applies equally to Craig on his Ukraine position.

  120. [Banned from contributing]

  121. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 7:55 am

    [craigmurray.org.uk - be patient and leave it to the staff Habbakuk.]

  122. I watched this last evening. Interesting and informative. Contains information that you will not hear on BBC or Sky or read in the UK lamestream press.

    After Crimea
    March 23, 2014 14:58

    How has the world changed with the advent of the most recent Ukraine crisis? How realistic is Russia’s isolation by the West? And are we experiencing a new geopolitical paradigm shift? CrossTalking with Martin McCauley, Mark Sleboda and Christoph Hoerstel.

    http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/most-recent-ukraine-crisis-689/

    Martin McCauley University of London
    http://www.limehousegroup.net/martin_mccauley.php

    Mark Sleboda
    http://thelimuneye.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/spotted-mark-sleboda.html

    Christoph Hoerstel
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_H%C3%B6rstel (In German)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lavelle – the presenter

  123. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 8:40 am

    “In other news:

    “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty and Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead are delighted to announce that their son, the Hon Stephen Kinnock, Husband of the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Denmark, has been appointed Labour prospective parliamentary candidate for Aberavon.”

    Who says socialism doesn’t pay?”

    (A Non)

    LOL. You think Steve’s a socialist? You think anyone in the Labour Party at present, with very few and obvious exceptions, is a socialist? Even “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty”…the title says it all, really, doesn’t it?

    Now let’s take a look at Tory nepotism and undue influence selection procedures, shall we?

  124. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 8:44 am

    “I think when Blair dies I shall manage to refrain from unseemly displays of grief.” (Craig)

    Quiet and dignified is the way to go, I think. I hope the local store does not run out of fireworks on that sad day, and that the weather doesn’t spoil the street party.

  125. Would we all agree that since the verdict of the Hutton inquiry, BBC news has increasingly become a government propaganda mouthpiece? I was reminded about this when Rebekah Brookes said in court that she had been approached by Tony Blair about a “Hutton-style” inquiry. I think she probably put this into her defence deliberately, and good for her.

    I remember being in shock after Hutton’s results were announced, and expected there to be a massive backlash. However, it was a whimper… as of course it would be because the BBC would otherwise be being seen as crying wolf and the rest of the media were the BBC’s adversaries and would be pleased to see them “lose”. The real loser, though, was British democracy.

    Not only will I next consider voting UKIP (for the “democracy” reason), but I’ll also consider whether the license fee is any longer value for money. I’m sure many others are thinking the same way. If there really are going to be another six years of Tory rule the only way the BBC will think it can survive is by saying what the government wants. However, that may have the opposite effect…

  126. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 8:48 am

    “Habbabkuk says : Conservatives care for health and the NHS. NHS in good shape….etc, etc… ”

    Congratulations on coming out, buggerlugs. Tory spokesman it is. A career in standup beckons.

    I wonder if you are a major shareholder in a private “provider”? Like so many Friends of Osborne?

  127. Absolutely terrible.

    What have the G7 lot meeting in the Hague got to say? Or is all about Crimea now?

    Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26712124

    There was a coup in Eqypt.

    ‘What the West are trying to achieve is what the CIA and Mossad have now achieved in Egypt; replacing the head of the Mubarak regime while keeping all its power structures in place.’

  128. The estimable Jonathan Cook writes -

    More Guardian ‘brainwashing’ on Putin
    24 March 2014

    I spend a lot of time on this blog criticising the propaganda role of liberal media, including my former newspaper the Guardian. Media critics like Noam Chomsky and Ed Herman have called it “brainwashing under freedom”. Because of a long filtering process before they reach positions of influence, journalists working for the corporate media in free societies replicate many of the failings of journalists working for media in repressive and closed societies. There are differences. The propaganda in free societies is more subtle and insidious; the journalists are more likely to believe what they write; and a degree of pluralism is allowed, even while plausible and important voices are ignored or ridiculed. But propaganda it still is.

    I highlight this long and prominent article in the Guardian on Putin’s handling of Crimea and Ukraine because it is a master-class in brainwashing under freedom. The paper’s Moscow correspondent, Shaun Walker, is presumably well-acquainted with Russian society. He has full access to Russian media propaganda, so he knows full well Russia’s side of the argument. And he has acres of space in which to set out all the various viewpoints. And yet, he never manages to give a proper hearing to Russia’s side of the argument.

    /..

    http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-03-24/more-guardian-brainwashing-on-putin/

  129. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:06 am

    Baalalopaluba/

    “Congratulations on coming out, buggerlugs. Tory spokesman it is. A career in standup beckons.

    I wonder if you are a major shareholder in a private “provider”? Like so many Friends of Osborne?”
    _________________

    Not a shareholder, Komodo. How about you? You wouldn’t be the first socialist to say one thing and do another.

    Anyway, very sorry to note that you’re not welcoming the good things I drew attention to, and in particular the making available on the national health of a vaccine against meningitis B.

    ********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  130. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:11 am

    BullzePuzzled

    “LOL. You think Steve’s a socialist? You think anyone in the Labour Party at present, with very few and obvious exceptions, is a socialist? Even “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty”…the title says it all, really, doesn’t it?”
    ______________________-

    Need to read posts more carefully, Babar. Refer to mine at 17h19 and Anon’s at 18h32 (both yesterday) and the scales will fall from your eyes. LOL

  131. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:15 am

    News (to someone, anyway):

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10716541/Tony-Blair-handed-3m-slice-of-Barack-Obamas-aid-for-Africans.html

    “It is thought to be the third grant obtained by Mr Blair’s charity from USAID. The body was, until last February, overseen by Hillary Clinton, who, along with her husband Bill, the former US president, is a close friend of Mr Blair and his wife, Cherie. ”

    This is exactly the way I thought Blair was operating. The ‘charitable’ foundations conceal a mechanism by which Blair can transfer aid, or ‘aid’ to the movers and shakers in vulnerable countries, while retaining an advisory fee for Blair International plc.
    Note also that a lot of this money will be paying some very well-heeled people their going rates for having endless meetings…

    Again -
    “USAID had a year earlier given £500,000 to AGI to fund his governance programme in Sierra Leone.”

    ‘Governance’ being a weasel word, meaning ‘ensuring compliance with Western demands’, I think.

  132. doug scorgie

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:17 am

    Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death

    And the west sends aid to the regime:

    “Ahead of Morsi trial, John Kerry flies to Cairo to pledge cooperation with military-backed government, while Britain announces resumption of arms sales”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10424025/US-and-Britain-lend-backing-to-Egypt-interim-regime.html

  133. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:24 am

    Bang on the money:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c1fc1f6a-afc3-11e3-9cd1-00144feab7de.html

    “It’s easy to cure Blair Disease: bar ex-leaders from doing paid work for private interests. This free measure would instantly deflate populism, keep experience inside government and attract a better class of person to the job.”

    Might even reduce A&E congestion – see next post -

  134. “Would we all agree that since the verdict of the Hutton inquiry, BBC news has increasingly become a government propaganda mouthpiece?”

    Well, yes, even more increasingly so.

    It started out under Lord Reith with the intention of becoming the govt propaganda mouthpiece of last resort, kinda lost its way a bit in the 60s/70s/80s when oiks started airing their views, was purged in 1987 by Thatcher and finally had its nuts cut off by the Hutton inquiry

    is the way I’d put it.

  135. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:29 am

    Safe in our hands….

    http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk/p/mps-with-or-had-financial-links-to.html

    EG: . George Freeman: MP for Mid Norfolk. His own business: http://www.4d-biomedical.com/ which is a specialist adviser on Healthcare markets, Technology development, Business strategy & Venture financing, working with NHS trusts. Speaking in Parliament on 11 November 2010 during the Policy For Growth debate he said, “The third is the national health service. I know from my own experience that we are sitting on billions of pounds-worth of patient data. Let us think about how we can unlock the value of those data around the world.” See Hansard at http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm101111/debtext/101111-0003.htm

    THAT’s not the PR message, is it?

  136. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:53 am

    “Anyway, very sorry to note that you’re not welcoming the good things I drew attention to, and in particular the making available on the national health of a vaccine against meningitis B.”

    I’d be concerned if it were not made available on the NHS, as it has epidemic potential. As it is, the original decision was not to provide it- it cost too much -, and a u-turn was involved. Still, better late than never.

    Meanwhile, another triumph for the Tories!

    http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/news/business/business-news/exclusive-novartis-country-president-uk-explains-why-the-company-intends-to-pull-out-of-horsham-with-the-loss-of-371-local-jobs-1-5666413

    Novartis are the manufacturers of the vaccine….

  137. Did Freeman declare his interest Ba’al? Probably not just like Mark Simmonds MP (now a FCO minister) who did not declare his interest as a highly paid adviser to Circle Health of Hinchingbroke Hospital infamy. Eventually after representations were made to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner, he muttered a few words of apology in the ‘Hice’ from his position in the ranks of the troughers.

    ~~

    Ref Kinnock YUK

    Friends of the Friends

    The emasculation of the Labour Party is generally attributed
    to Blair and Brown in the 1990s; but it began much earlier,
    with the 1988/9 policy review which started the process of
    accommodating the City and the Americans. Leading that
    review was party leader Neil Kinnock, now Lord Kinnock.
    Adrian Gatton, via Tony Frewin, pointed me at a collection of
    conversations with former US diplomats.39

    This is in an interview with Carl Dillery, Political/Military Officer,
    at the U.S. embassy in London, 1973-1976.

    ‘DILLERY: Take an important case. Thatcher’s current
    head of loyal opposition, Neil Kinnock, was a junior MP
    when I was there. Our Labor Party reporting officer, Jack
    Binns, was a real friend of his. He was a great party guy
    and would come to all of our parties and talk to all of us.
    He and Jack were on a first name basis. So Jack became
    the political counselor when Kinnock got to be the leader
    of the Labor (sic) Party. Literally, Binns could call up and
    have access to him at any time.’

    Let me unpack this for those unfamiliar with Labour Party
    history. Neil Kinnock became an MP in 1970 and while in his
    first parliament became friends with the American diplomat
    whose job it was to keep an eye on/befriend/penetrate the
    Labour Party. He went to the parties at the American
    embassy, chatted to the staff there and became a US
    embassy source – perhaps the source – on the Labour Party.
    All this while he was presenting himself to the Party
    membership as a left-winger.40 Not that this shmoozing with
    the Americans did him much good when he became leader of
    the party: he was still ridiculed and humiliated on his first trip
    to Washington in that role.41

    Links and refs http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster67/lob67-view-from-the-bridge.pdf

    Glenys was famous for keeping the taxi meter running while she popped into the EU building to sign on for the day in the style of those crooked Lords who did the same for their daily bunce.

  138. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:02 am

    “Not a shareholder, Komodo. How about you? You wouldn’t be the first socialist to say one thing and do another.”

    Who?

    You wouldn’t be the first Tory to lie through its teeth, either. I’m not a shareholder in anything.

  139. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:11 am

    Did Freeman declare his interest Ba’al?

    Doesn’t look like it, Mary.

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24817/george_freeman/mid_norfolk

    And http://www.4d-biomedical.com/
    seems to be unavailable. However, he’s now on this campaign -

    http://www.patients4data.co.uk/campaign

    4d…4data? Coincidence, of course. As is his interest in monetising patient data under the guise of making it available to patients – and everybody else.

  140. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:18 am

    DubbleTheNubble

    “A Non implied that nepotism was a feature of socialism. Clear enough to me,..”

    ____________________________

    Perhaps you should have been arsed to read his post, BubZAevel. This is what Anon actually wrote:

    “True socialists are as pure as the driven snow, but alas they don’t actually exist.

    So we are left with a bunch of socialists who spend their lives espousing socialist ideals, but as soon as they become grotesque hypocrites – as they invariably do – then they are conveniently brushed aside as non-socialists by the new generation of socialists and their acolytes who carry on with the whole charade.”

    Nothing to do with nepotism, as you claim.

    Sharpen up, get arsed!

  141. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:24 am

    Booblebu re the meningitis B vaccine

    “I’d be concerned if it were not made available on the NHS,…”
    _________________

    Hilarious answer!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Still, better late than never.”
    _________________

    A very ungracious comment there, Booblaboo. First country in the world to offer this vaccination on the state health system. NHS leads the way again. In safe hands!

  142. Habby was asked whether he was a shareholder in any of those companies involved in plundering the NHS and he answered, no.

    It seems to me though that as someone of self-described independent wealth (he’s actually a former top-level EU civil servant, now scraping by on a gold-plated pension) he’ll have his ill gotten gains invested somewhere.

    It’s unlikely that those managing his investments will have failed to notice the scrumptious opportunities in picking over the carcass that will be the NHS when the neocons are finished with it nor will they be unaware of the agribusiness potential in west Ukraine, and indeed in energy and weapons. Such investments will be par for the course in any portfolio.

    Since habby has over recent days been very keen to accuse everyone who doesn’t support neoconism of being a socialist, it’s only fair that he declare his interest in the above very profitable opportunities, which it’s not unreasonable to conclude may well colour his view.

  143. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:36 am

    So socialists don’t exist but Kinnock is a socialist? Strangled by your own, and A Non’s sophistry, buggerlugs. Or maybe your inability to read posts.

    Still not seeing your no doubt equally hilarious comments – with sources for your opinions – on the intimate involvement of the private health industry with those in charge of the NHS. F’r instance Philip Hammond? Jeremy Hunt? Donations to the Tories in general (yes, and Nu Libor as well)?

    So important that the ongoing privatisation of NHS functions at immense cost to the taxpayer (see PFI for details) is unaccompanied by any faint whiff of corruption, don’t you think?

  144. Interesting UNCTAD graphic outlining EU dependence on Russian energy imports:

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/100-reliant-on-russian-gas.html

    But yes, jolly good idea to bring things in Ukraine to a head just as summer is icomen in.

    Well done those forward thinking, freedom loving protestors in Kiev for thinking of that.

    And taking a leaf from Thatcher’s playbook.

  145. It is preposterous [craigmurray.org.uk - insult removed] to say that the NHS is in safe hands. Seems to be information challenged!

    For instance -

    Nurses who form the backbone of the NHS, with the GPs.

    Poll of 10,000 by the Royal College of Nursing. 62% had thought of leaving
    the NHS in the last year 2013. .. unable to give patients the care they
    would want to because they were too busy, while 83% believed
    their workload had increased in the last 12 months.

    Pay freeze – between 2010 and 2012, followed by a 1% cap on
    increases from this year until 2016. Inflation rate > c. 3% +

    What is Hunt doing? Chucking money at hospitals for IT!
    and instituting a ‘revalidation scheme’ – every 3 years.
    Hospital staff are now under 360 degree surveillance as are
    all 100,000+ doctors.

    BBC News
    ‘Worrying shortage of senior NHS nurses’.

    The NHS has lost nearly 4,000 senior nursing posts since 2010, putting patient care at risk, warns the Royal College of Nursing (RCN). The void includes ward sisters, community matrons and specialist nurses and has been brought about by cost saving reorganisation, it says.

    According to the most recent data, in November 2013, the NHS was still short of 1,199 full time equivalent (FTE) registered nurses compared with April 2010. The RCN says that hidden within wider nursing workforce cuts are a significant loss and devaluation of skills and experience in the NHS, with 3,994 FTE nursing staff working in senior positions. These band seven and eight nurses – matrons, ward sisters and advanced nurse practitioners and clinical nurse specialists – have been disproportionately targeted for workforce cuts and found their roles increasingly devalued, it says.

    Dr Peter Carter, chief executive and general secretary of the RCN said: “As more patients require complex care from specialist nurses, letting so many years of skills and experience vanish from the NHS is an utterly reckless policy. These cuts are a short-term attempt by trusts to find efficiency savings, yet they will lead to a very serious and very long-term crisis in our health service.”

    The public inquiry report into Mid Staffordshire Foundation Trust, written by Robert Francis QC, highlighted the importance of having the right staffing numbers and skill mix on wards.

    YCNMIU!

  146. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 11:54 am

    Blair’s Faith Foundation (motto – ‘only Believe, and all these things shall be added unto you’)….and one of its funders. The TBFF has a branch in Ukraine;

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/9859780/Revealed-Tony-Blair-and-the-oligarch-bankrolling-his-charity.html

    Pinchuk, who has a branch in London, is not expected to be inconvenienced by sanctions. He’s our bastard.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10655081/The-Ukrainian-oligarchs-living-it-large-in-London.html

    But Firtash is of interest to the FBI, not least because he has valuable information on Putin. Expect an extradition row….

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-oligarch-dmytro-firtash-pays-125m-bail-after-politically-motivated-arrest-1441518

  147. Habba

    I agree the menangitis vaccine is a must to keep healthy but.as we are on a socialist bent I assume you would consider our present sedantary socialist lifestyle should be infused with more health conscious motives to promote a well being consistant with the terminology “we are what we eat”.
    Although responsibility does and should remain with the individual. Choice is paramount.

  148. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 12:12 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/20/nhs-hospitals-annual-loss-first-time-eight-years

    Meningitis B jab costs £130 a pop. From a private ‘provider’ that is.

    We could always cut back on GP practices….? Sure.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/23/family-doctor-service-brink-extinction

    So all your caring compassionate conservative betters can really do is close some of those feckless scrounger hospitals, even if some of us still have scruples. Hard working families don’t get sick, do they?

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/11/hospital-closures-law-rebel-coalition-mps

    Three cheers for private enterprise! And thanks for the brown envelope….

  149. There’s been some discussion of various political approaches recently in the comments section.

    Here’s an article from the Conservative writer, Peter Hitchens, which is very much at odds with the neocon agenda:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38041.htm

    You’ll see similar articles from Peter Oborne, another Conservative.

    I’ve posted concordant views from ex Australian Conservative PM, Malcolm Fraser, and you’ll hear Conservatives voicing the same anti-neocon view time and time again.

    You’ll regularly see such articles from Paul Craig Roberts, an American Conservative, as well.

    The old Left is a critic of neoconism, whilst the neo Left is itself neocon in actuality.

    It’s not unimportant how these factions line up.

    You’ve got the paleo Conservatives and paleo Left now lining up to make similar criticisms of neoconism. That division is clear as day.

    We know the genesis and subsequent history of Conservatism and Socialism, but few are clued up on where neoconism comes from and where it is going and why it currently seems so dominant.

    Strange.

  150. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 12:54 pm

    Good point, Herbie. The advance of neoconservatism behind a palaeoconservative or palaeosocialist front is indeed insidious. And one of its political strengths – it can masquerade as the centre ground. Many of its US originators were, incidentally, failed leftists who realised they weren’t going to make much money if they had principles. It’s no accident that both Blair and Gove – neither had unduly rich or privileged backgrounds – are slavish admirers of American neos.

  151. “Many of its US originators were, incidentally, failed leftists who realised they weren’t going to make much money if they had principles”

    Indeed Ba’al, mostly or all Trots. As Clark recently pointed out, the radical left as in radical protestantism is something of a fissionable atomising force. This of course is a fundamental property of analysis itself.

    We used to lament at how they always fought one with the other and could never agree on anything.

    But now they’ve all joined together in a dangerously explosive way.

  152. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 1:18 pm

    Point to ponder -

    “Political rights do not originate in parliaments; they are, rather, forced upon parliaments from without. And even their enactment into law has for a long time been no guarantee of their security. Just as the employers always try to nullify every concession they had made to labour as soon as opportunity offered, as soon as any signs of weakness were observable in the workers’ organisations, so governments also are always inclined to restrict or to abrogate completely rights and freedoms that have been achieved if they imagine that the people will put up no resistance. Even in those countries where such things as freedom of the press, right of assembly, right of combination, and the like have long existed, governments are constantly trying to restrict those rights or to reinterpret them by juridical hair-splitting. Political rights do not exist because they have been legally set down on a piece of paper, but only when they have become the ingrown habit of a people, and when any attempt to impair them will meet with the violent resistance of the populace . Where this is not the case, there is no help in any parliamentary Opposition or any Platonic appeals to the constitution.”

    — Rudolf Rocker, Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory & Practice, 1947

  153. But unfortunately the people are far too busy working every hour God sends to earn money they don’t need so they can go into debt buying things they don’t want to impress people they don’t like to worry about things like freedom.

    They may grumble about oil or grumble about nuclear but so long as when they pull onto the forecourt the pump isn’t empty and so long as when they flick that switch a light comes on the politicians are safe as how many rights they take away.

  154. PaleoTories will eventually decompose and turn into oil and calcium. I can’t see any other use for them. It was a very dangerous experiment conducted by Nick Clegg and Paddy Ashdown to inject live DNA into the fossilised archived material from Thatcherite pre-history and form a re-construction of this antediluvian life form.

    Neandercons, born-again-colonial-why-did-we-stop-stealing-wealth-from-other-countries, on the other hand, are very much alive and kicking, including those foreign politicians that see benefit for themselves in the colonial process. What is lacking is humans.

  155. This article/interview neatly explains the global political dynamics.

    “In fact, both, the interests of Europe and that of Russia, lie in a common economic plan for the development of the whole area. This is what was proposed by Putin and by several leaders such as former German chancellors Helmut Kohl and Gerhard Schroeder. This is exactly what had to be prevented with the Victoria Nuland $5 billion ‘to help democracy.’ And now, despite all the noises and rhetoric, this is the most obvious direction to go.

    The most important point to understand is that this war and looting policy is not in the interest of the Europeans or even of the Americans.

    This is the big secret that now cannot be covered anymore. The governments of the US and the European countries are NOT independent entities, they are not sovereign. They do not have the will or even the ability to act on behalf of their people. They are controlled by powerful banking interests. They have been taken over by two financial centers that do not care for the real economy. They pursue only speculation and looting.”

    The key really is how to defeat neoconism.

    1. The Russians create alliance for new global financial system.

    Difficult, dicey and long.

    2. The Germans, who still have a real economy, act on that interest.

    Short and sweet.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ukraine-crisis-and-vladimir-putin-a-new-financial-system-free-from-wall-street-and-the-city-of-london/5374785

    C’mon Germany, now’s your big chance…

  156. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 1:56 pm

    Confusion of irreducible needs and frivolous wants is central to this, Fred. As is the perception of what constitutes happiness, or, better contentment. If I had been Gove, I would have handed every school a copy of ‘Candide’, not the KJ Bible. Anonymously, with a social media PR campaign purporting to discourage kids from reading the last few words.

    Education, education, education…

    “Don’t you think agricultural laborers would rather have three acres and a cow than three acres of printed forms and a committee? Why doesn’t somebody start a yeoman party in politics, appealing to the old traditions of the small landowner?”
    -GK Chesterton

    We probably don’t have room any more for three acres and a cow, but a garden and a few chickens for all might not be an unrealistic aim.

  157. Herbie,

    Neo cons are capitalists; the Haliburton millitary machine and other corporate entities monopolize the agenda hence no moralistic diplomacy.
    Incredulous without media attention.

  158. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:06 pm

    How to stuff capitalists: don’t buy stuff.

  159. “We probably don’t have room any more for three acres and a cow, but a garden and a few chickens for all might not be an unrealistic aim.”

    Not unrealistic at all, every council house tenant has the right to keep a few chickens in their back garden, they have round here anyway. Some do.

  160. How strange that Habbaduk’s intemperate comment, laying down his demands for the conduct of this blog and policing contributors language, between Jay’s at 7:14am and mine at 7:26am, has been removed completely with no trace, whilst other deleted or moderated comments are left as stubs, which to me is preferable as it indicates that there has been some intervention and might help in some cases to understand the flow and direction the discussion took. Though it has to be said the now gone comment was nothing more than gratuitous whinging and bare-faced cheek, a particularly disgruntled sounding, grumpy early morning wail that no-one will bend to its will or comply with its strident demands.

    How should we address you oh mighty one (Habbaduk)?

  161. People would be surprised how much land is available:

    “The great myth of urban Britain”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18623096

    Then there’s who owns it all:

    “The book ‘Who Owns Britain’ by Kevin Cahill revealed the hidden facts behind landownership in the UK and Ireland.”

    The book ‘Who Owns Britain’ by Kevin Cahill revealed the hidden facts behind landownership in the UK and Ireland.

    http://www.who-owns-britain.com/

  162. craigmurray.org.uk

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:27 pm

    Some commenters are now subject to pre-moderation. Keyword blocking has been activated. Any comment may be held for moderation as automatic filters are prone to false positives.

    The moderation queue now has to be checked periodically. Pointless personal and left-vs.-right political bickering is causing me work and wasting my time.

    Remember that your host is a HUMAN RIGHTS activist, and not very party-political.

  163. AlcAnon/Squonk

    23 Mar, 2014 – 10:06 pm

    I don’t think the probllem is as bad as it’s being made out regarding the lack of electrical power in Crimea. One of the comments suggests that this is a common problem in Crimea.

    https://www.facebook.com/emaidanua/posts/605825482840464

  164. “A week later, on March 12, Christine Lagarde, met the interim Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk at IMF headquarters in Washington. Lagarde reaffirmed the IMF’s commitment:

    “[to putting Ukraine back] on the path of sound economic governance and sustainable growth, while protecting the vulnerable in society. … We are keen to help Ukraine on its path to economic stability and prosperity.”(Press Release: Statement by IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde on Ukraine)

    The above statement is wrought with hypocrisy. In practice, the IMF does not wield “sound economic governance” nor does it protect the vulnerable. It impoverishes entire populations, while providing “prosperity” to a small corrupt and subservient political and economic elite.”

    Michel Chossudovsky

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/24/regime-change-ukraine-imfs-bitter-economic-medicine/

  165. Sofia Kibo Noh

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:54 pm

    Herbie, Ba’al Zevul, G K Chesterton, Rudolf Rocker…

    Thanks. Why don’t we get this stuff in school?

    http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/rudolf-rocker-anarchism-and-anarcho-syndicalism

  166. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    Talking of ‘governance’ in Ukraine, something’s missing here-

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundationus.org/blogpost/tony-blair-announces-new-education-projects-ukraine

    Wonder if it was escorted off the premises by a Russian soldier?

  167. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    “Why don’t we get this stuff in school?”
    Because it’s very dangerous. You will probably put on weight and fail to get a job as an airline hostess if you read it. And have to wear ugly spectacles and a prosthetic leg. Now please pick up your nice PJ O’Rourke, like Mrs Krauthammer told you to.

  168. Sofia Kibo Noh

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Herbie. 2 47pm

    From the Indo article comments, “Ukraine has such a high percentage of devastatingly beautiful women…”

    What about Craig Murray’s blog?

  169. I liked Andrew Whitchurch’s comment of Mar, 2014 – 7:38 pm on the Six More Years thread, which was lost in the subsequent noise.

    Of course, the 42% had to be conditioned first and Thatcher saw to that. The big giveaways to the unskilled lower middle class in the 1980s (notice how people with a complete lack of skill started to earn more in back offices and estate agencies than those with skills to mine coal, build cars, administer health care etc.) ensured there were a lot of people with a lot to be grateful to Thatcherite economics. I reserve the right to not call it free market.

    That has created a glut of people who are now over 50 who like to think that they worked hard for what they got (they didn’t) who rather like the status quo and will keep this kind of politics in power for many years to come. George Osborne’s budget directly targeted this group of feckless, unskilled homeowners.

    Fred sometimes you make a sound point such as: “But unfortunately the people are far too busy working every hour God sends to earn money they don’t need so they can go into debt buying things they don’t want to impress people they don’t like to worry about things like freedom.” Inspired, except for the ‘God’ bit, but that’s a well-worn recognisable cliche and not necessarily indicating devout belief in supernatural beings. There is a tendency however to extrapolate from limited or exceptional and unusual experiences to suggest this or that special case is descriptive of the whole. If someone were to say something like ‘books do not kill’, you’ll relate a case of a man who had a heavy book of carpet samples land on his his bonce with tragic result.

    It is indeed incredibly difficult, if not impossible to feed one person, much less a family, on own-produced fare, raised from a patch of ground, it would be a monotonous diet, not conducive to health and could not compete on price with simply buying the same items from a store, in other words the outlay would be greater, and there would be times of surplus and wastage, as well as shortfalls when other sources would be crucial. I have some new seed potatoes (Charlotte) to plant in the next week or two, but still have sackloads of last years main crop (Desiree) to find some palatable use for; chickens/eggs however, coming sporadically rather than all at once in some over-whelming glut make a lot of sense, but there are few who could realistically keep them. Latter day housing and residential architecture and ground use, particularly of council housing, has not, probably since the 1950s considered such diversity or flexibility of uses and needs worth incorporating in their designs and space allocation. It wouldn’t be conducive to keeping the people in their place if they were able to exercise any degree of resilience, of resourcefulness or detachment from consumerism’s smothering disempowering embrace.

  170. Sofia

    It’s that old beauty of mind/body problem, especially when the censor’s on the prowl…

  171. Sofia Kibo Noh

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:16 pm

    Ba’al Zevul (I’d Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic)) 3 03pm

    “Now please pick up your nice PJ O’Rourke, like Mrs Krauthammer told you to.”
    Groan!

    Please tell me Eminences and Excresances. What is it about certain humans that causes their brains and principles to veer rightwards and dissolve into blancmange or worse as the years pass? Witness the descent of Dad down the rabbit holes of reactionary delusion.

  172. My comment above using the t word is in moderation too.

    Tony M I used the word ….. this morning. That was deleted and a Wikipedia link to the word …..7 is in moderation and will probably also get deleted. In view of the history here, I think is outrageous.
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    [Moderation can't deal with the history, only the current situation. Please be helpful. Thanks.]

  173. “It is indeed incredibly difficult, if not impossible to feed one person, much less a family, on own-produced fare, raised from a patch of ground, ”

    Well of course.

    I have to supplement my diet with a bit of roadkill and some skip diving.

  174. “Please tell me Eminences and Excresances. What is it about certain humans that causes their brains and principles to veer rightwards and dissolve into blancmange or worse as the years pass? Witness the descent of Dad down the rabbit holes of reactionary delusion.”

    Youthful idealism meets material necessity, is the usual explanation.

    So, a change in what material necessity entails might be an option.

    Ultimately though we would need to get rid of the mafia skimmers, and that’s no small ask.

    Though, changing the world banking system would probably go some long way to pulling off the trick.

  175. Mods

    And why is mine at 1.52pm awaiting moderation at all?

    No bad words, no personal attacks, no nuffin.

    [One of those false positives.]

  176. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:30 pm

    “….ground use, particularly of council housing, has not, probably since the 1950s considered such diversity or flexibility of uses and needs worth incorporating in their designs and space allocation.”

    Isn’t it about time that changed? Note: I’m not talking about absolute self-sufficiency (though with local trading between specialists, that would not be an impossible dream) but about satisfaction, appreciation of the attainable, and cutting out the unproductive middleman…who seems to get most of any value produced as things stand. Granted, Chesterton was of another era, and romantically bucolic with it, but three acres and a cow – even a 1/4 acre and a chicken run – represent a degree of independence from global marketeers, their branders and their politicians, which is unthought of today.

  177. “but three acres and a cow”

    You don’t need a cow, a goat will give more than enough milk.

  178. So there are a few of us on the naughty step!

    PS I know that modding is a thankless job especially here. Why don’t we have registration?

  179. Ba'al Zevul (I'd Like to Teach the World to Snig (sic))

    24 Mar, 2014 - 3:46 pm

    Broken -
    If credible, this suggests that the US (or similarly equipped nation) have now released data from a high-resolution satellite camera to the Malaysians. That is, the pictures will be at least 10X better than anything so far published, and may well include the aircraft on its southerly track.

    http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/24/malaysia-flight-370-crashed-southern-indian-ocean-prime-minister-confirmation/

  180. WTF? Keywords? What are they? Craig is buying ball-gags by the gross to make the discourse sterile or emasculated? Enquiring minds want to know.

    Whazzup with the thuggery?

  181. MH370 assumed to have crashed with no survivors, says Malaysia Airlines – live updates

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/mh370-chinese-plane-spots-white-objects-live-updates

  182. Are the keywords a secret? A list of proscribed words and phrases is even available through the dark Sith Lord, Putin.

    Maidan behaviors.

  183. “WTF? Keywords? What are they?”

    It’s complicated Ben, All I can say is don’t mention Scunthorpe.

  184. “Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume that MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.”

    Perpetual educated guesses, but I digress.

  185. Media Lens have done a big piece about anti-independence bias in BBC Scotland and STV. They quote Craig extensively. They describe how the mainstream media in general has ignored an analysis of news stories about Independence.

    “The year-long study was conducted by a small team led by Professor John Robertson of the University of West Scotland. Between 17 September 2012 – 18 September 2013, the team recorded and transcribed approximately 730 hours of evening TV news output broadcast by BBC Scotland and Scottish Television (STV). The study concluded that 317 news items broadcast by the BBC favoured the ‘No’ campaign (i.e. no to Scottish independence) compared to just 211 favourable to the ‘Yes’ campaign. A similar bias in favour of the ‘No’ campaign was displayed by STV. Overall, there was a broadcaster bias favouring the ‘No’ campaign by a ratio of 3:2. In other words, there was 50 per cent more favourable coverage to the ‘No’ campaign.”

    They go on to describe how BBC Scotland in particular went to a lot of effort to discredit the professor behind the report.

    http://medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=759:scotlandshire-bbc-scotland-coverage-of-the-independence-referendum&catid=52:alerts-2014&Itemid=245

  186. A Node. I saw that Medialens alert too and put in on the Ally’s Army thread. :)

  187. Craig, has anybody thought to ask how the filming went at the weekend? Well, I hope. Anything of interest that you would like to say about it? What other celebs were involved?

  188. Ditto.

    The EU sucks.

  189. @A Node

    Do you think the Nationalists could stop screaming “bias” long enough to tell us the latest budget deficit forecasts?

  190. Hmmm. More ‘popular uprising’ in Odessa?

    http://rt.com/news/east-ukraine-rallies-referendum-701/

  191. Craig Murray is quoted extensively by the guys at Medialens. This is in reference to BBC bias in relation to their coverage of the Scottish independence issue.

    This is a must-read:

    http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2014/759-scotlandshire-bbc-scotland-coverage-of-the-independence-referendum.html

  192. Smoothface throws his toys out of the pram as instructed by Obomber.

    24 March 2014 Last updated at 15:47

    G8 summit ‘won’t be held in Russia’ Breaking news

    The G8 summit will not take place in Russia this year, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.

    Speaking in the Netherlands, Mr Cameron said it was “absolutely clear” the planned June meeting of world leaders in the Russian resort of Sochi would not happen due to events in Ukraine.

    The EU and US have imposed sanctions on Russian officials after its annexation of Crimea from Ukraine.

    Moscow has also been warned of further action if it does not change course.

    The announcement that the Sochi meeting had been cancelled comes after Russian troops seized control of the last major military base in Crimea.

    It comes as Mr Cameron, US President Barack Obama and other G7 leaders attend a nuclear co-operation summit in The Hague, to which Russian President Vladimir Putin was not invited.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26722668

    ~~

    Like children.

  193. fred 24 Mar, 2014 – 4:09 pm

    “@A Node

    Do you think the Nationalists could stop screaming “bias” long enough to tell us the latest budget deficit forecasts?”

    Media Lens aren’t Nationalists. Their article expresses no opinion either for or against Independence. They are concerned about thought control in the media. So am I. I believe you are too regarding most topics.

  194. I thought this Medialens tidbit somewhat pertinent.

    Prof. Robertson was asked by one MSP what kind of research he’d conducted in the past. He responded:

    ‘My interest is in, dare I say it, thought control in democracies. Everyone knows in a totalitarian state you can’t trust the media. Everyone knows they’re being lied to. Thought control in totalitarian states is totally ineffective because the entire population pretty much know: don’t trust that stuff from the party.

    ‘In democracies, there is thought control. There’s undeniably thought control. Media and political elites often work in each other’s interests. They don’t go round in a big cauldron saying, “Let’s do down the working classes and send our boys off to die, because we want them to do that.” They just mix. They go to the same schools. Their children go to the same schools. They share the same interests, the same cultural interests.

    ‘So we do end up with a degree of thought control without conspiracy…’

  195. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 4:27 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “Meningitis B jab costs £130 a pop. From a private ‘provider’ that is.”
    _____________________

    Which is EXACTLY why it’s splendid news that the jab will henceforth be offered on the NHS and therefore FREE.

    Aren’t you pleased about that?

  196. Ben 24 Mar, 2014 – 4:14 pm

    I would be in no way surprised if there was a partition of Eastern Ukraine, especially if the May elections (if they go ahead) return Yatsenyuk and the neo-fascists.

  197. John @ 4:29

    It’s getting harder to tell the good guys from the bad without a program.

    Sel-interest and aggrandizement is not a Moscow monopoly.

  198. “Perpetual educated guesses, but I digress.”

    They haven’t found the actual site (as far as I know), but they’re quoting new data from Immarsat.
    They haven’t said yet what that data is.

  199. “Media Lens aren’t Nationalists.”

    Well the bloke who wrote it was a Glaswegian who’s mother was Catholic and his father Communist.

    But I’m not going to start screaming bias, I’m not even going to ask about Sky News and the Scottish Sun since Salmond’s little talk with Murdoch.

    All I want to know is the budget deficit forecasts so I can reach an informed decision.

  200. Ben, the thing that intrigues me now is all previous talk had related to a breakaway via referendum from western and north western Ukraine, but the mass demonstrations in Odessa indicate that unrest and dissatisfaction is not just in those areas.

  201. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 4:47 pm

    Mr Goss

    “I would be in no way surprised if there was a partition of Eastern Ukraine, especially if the May elections (if they go ahead) return Yatsenyuk and the neo-fascists.”
    _________________________

    That sounds like you’re preparing readers for another Russian intervention in due course.

    Perhaps you should have a word beforehand with Mr Putin and his EU Ambassador: both are reported as saying that Russia had no further territorial ambitions and was not in expanding mode. As we know, both of these individuals are Russian Gentlemen and would not tell a lie.

    **********************

    “Life has become better, life has become merrier! ” (J. Stalin, ca. 1934)

  202. Arsenly “Yats’ channels St Ronaldus (Reagan’s hagiography)

    ““Mr. Putin, tear down this wall,” he said, as he emerged from the White House, “the wall of war, intimidation, and military aggression. Let’s talk.”

    Shicklgruber agrees.

  203. Habbabkuk, 4:27 pm; it is of course presumably* good news that the vaccine is being made available. Whether it’s good news that it costs 130 pounds per patient, and that taxpayers are paying out that much for it, depends upon whether that is a fair price or not. I do not know.

    *”presumably” – pharmaceutical companies have too much power over the testing of their own products (see Ben Goldacre’s excellent Bad Science blog for many examples); there could be problems with this vaccine that we do not yet know.

  204. Indiscriminate moderation? Objective deletions? Who’s in control here?

  205. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 5:03 pm

    Clark

    “there could be problems with this vaccine that we do not yet know.”
    _______________________-

    And you might get knocked over by a bus when crossing the road this week.

    Come on, Clark, try a little grace even if it does mean acknowledging that not every single thing is doom and gloom in the UK.

  206. Ben, your comment about Russia Today being biased is undoubtedly true. All media studios and offices have editorial bias and I am open to contradictions from what people consider to be more reliable sources. But like you, in the long-term it has been Russia Today that has had the more credible news. I was pleased to see that the BBC had run a piece about the shady gun-carrying thuggish members of the new parliament who filmed themselves beating up a media executive into signing his resignation.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26653295

    I was shocked when I saw it, the BBC condemning the Yatsenyuk illegal opposition. I could hardly believe my eyes because I had not seen it on any earlier news bulletin. After looking at the clock I realised it was after midnight, and on the BBC news channel. I never saw it the next day. Of course I cannot be certain that it was marginalised into the early hours. Did anybody else see the above story on any of the main news channels at peak hours?

  207. John; RT news, like any commercial enterprise, has it’s agenda. However I find the TV news to eminently more informative and enlightening than any other network.

    It’s the best bad idea we have for news.

  208. An O?T snippet on a new TV channel called Mustard, it could also have been called ‘dooooh’ as in the Simpsons, but Mustard TV in Norwich it is.

    It is an Archant press TV channel that has a homogenously white, vetted staff in the EDP vane. Here is my comment which will most likely not be printed, but I saw the picture of all staff today in their printed version double page spread and it makes me shudder how someon e can get this through the broadcastiong brief.

    “Directed, staffed and paid for by a homogenously caucasian crowd of vetted journalists who are not representing the make up of Norfolk. Far from providing an alternative to the excisting BBC channel, it is a copy cat with an EDP heart. How such monocleic focus on one ethnic identity was allowed a pass the broadcasting brief is baffling, or could it just be another manifestation of a fact, namely that Stephen Lawrence case of Met internal racismn is spread through many other organisations.”

  209. ” Did anybody else see the above story on any of the main news channels at peak hours?”

    It was on the BBC website along with film of the assault.

  210. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 5:15 pm

    Clark – while we’re on the subject of grace :

    “Whether it’s good news that it costs 130 pounds per patient, and that taxpayers are paying out that much for it, depends upon whether that is a fair price or not.”
    ___________________

    1/. Is GBP 130 the final price negotiated between the manufacturer and the NHS or was it the manufacturer’s previous (and private) price?

    2/. I wonder who would decide on what’s a fair price for any medicine (factoring in the cost and time for the development) and who should establish it.

    3/. Even if the cost of the three shots needed is GBP, compare and contrast with the price – for example – of a not very sophisticated I-phone. Or a passport. Or a weekly (large) coffee at Starbucks for a year.

    Hope that helped, and be happy that the vaccine will be available, for free, on the NHS.

  211. Fred, yes that’s where I got the link. What I meant was on the 6 o’clock or 10 o’clock BBC News broadcasts.

  212. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 5:32 pm

    A little O/T, but connected with the media nevertheless.

    Given that the BBC gets a lot of stick on this blog, I was just wondering what commenters thought about the govts’s apparent willingness to consider de-criminalising non-payment of the licence fee?

  213. More leaked tapes.

    This one showing that teenager Tymoshenko is a big potty mouth, who’d bring the world to nuclear armageddon for a soundbite:

    “Ukrainians must take up arms against Russians so that not even scorched earth will be left where Russia stands”

    “It’s going too far! Bugger! We must grab arms and go whack those damn katsaps [a Ukrainian word used to refer to the Russians in a negative tone] together with their leader,”

    “I’ll use all my connections, I’ll raise the whole world – as soon as I’m able to – in order to make sure.. Bugger!.. not even scorched earth won’t remain where Russia stands,” she promised.”

    http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/

    Please God, make it be a fake.

    Where’s the adults?

  214. Also connected to the media, inadvertandly. An interview with a cagey ex NSA chief general Hayden by der Spiegel.

    Apparently the US fears Chinas cyber abilities the most… well after MH 370…..
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-interview-with-former-nsa-director-michael-hayden-a-960389.html

  215. ‘Egypt court sentences 529 Morsi supporters to death’

    Muhammad Mursi intended to get Egypt directly involved in Israel’s destruction of Syria. When the generals realised what a headless chicken the US had brought to power, squawking around with an Al Qaida handbook under his wing to cut off his thinking brain and follow instructions from the mad mullahs, CIA, and Tel Aviv, they took action to prevent him, and his equally head-less chicken followers from lemming-like jumping out of the hole in the back of the chicken lorry to their certain deaths.

    It might have excited the neandercons in Washington and Westminster to see the entire Middle-East go up in flames at once, but fortunately for us the Egyptian military put a stop to it. It was a coup for chickens escaping from the coop. Was it a good thing for Blair to unleash the iron grip of Saddam Hussain? Yes, for Al Qaida, but No, for everyone else.

    There is a battle of wills following the CIA-Arab Spring as to whether the freedom from dictatorship is utilised to form stable decent government, or let all hell break loose. Ask any Syrian which one is best.

  216. Habbabkuk, I don’t think everything is doom and gloom, and the Great Leader’s message about life becoming merrier uplifts me every time I read it!

    No, seriously; this new vaccine may be a very good thing, and I certainly hope it is. There is a possibility it could prove horribly wrong, like thalidomide did. Or it could turn out in due course that corruption between commercial and government concerns played a part in its introduction. I just don’t know these things. You, on the other hand, are obviously playing it up on behalf of your favourites, the Conservative party. But you do not know those things either, or at least I hope you don’t!

    Attempting to score party-political points on a blog like this seems pretty cheap, similar to the support for the Russian military response in Crimea.

  217. Thanks Herbie for the leaked Timoshenko tapes. Just what the world needs in a time of crisis, a madwoman like that in power.

    Ben

    I don’t mind mods commenting as long as they are even-handed in the way they administer forfeits, and that has been my experience. After all it must be quite frustrating if you want to join in a topic and can’t. Believe me if you’ve been around this blog long enough you would know how difficult it is to keep good mods. My guess is that from time to time Craig has a hand in moderation. Surely you would not ask him to stop commenting. Would you?

  218. Ben

    The media inform us that the public is indifferent to being spied on, which in effect what moderation is on this blog.

    Being watched and controlled by criteria which are undefined is gross psychological abuse, even if the majority choose to ignore it because they are not trying to take a moral stand against what FedUp used to call the ***-****-wits.

    As a Muslim I took evasive action from being spied on by fellow Muslims in the mosque post the war on terror, only to find that UKUSIS governments and Al Qaida were two socks on the same foot!

    The stated purpose of the moderation is to keep the blog on topic, the unstated purpose is to make us believe in an intangible tension. The reality is that our moral compass is being twiddled off magnetic north by artificial ambiences of attraction/repulsion .

    We can discuss anything and everything but the instincts of our hearts. The reality is that Craig is using moderation to troll his own blog in order to keep a facility for truth-seeking open under a government ***-****-wit regime that absolutely and manically and totally detests the concept of truth.

    CM’s opening gambit was to ask if we had noticed the new bars/chicken wire on the windows. They are not his bars/wires.

  219. Guano, while a know what you’re saying I can’t agree with you on this topic. In the organ I write for without moderation we would be inundated with advertising bumf of every description, which people do not want. It’s the same on here. You must have noticed people trying to get people further into debt with hare-brained loan schemes. Also people go overboard sometimes, and the language can be as bad as that of Yulia Timoshenko’s. There is, in my eyes, a case for moderation.

  220. In fact I would not mind moderating that last comment with all those people in it.

  221. John, Hi.

    If you know you are being looked at you will do something different to yourself. That means in many cases you will do something wrong instead of doing something truthful.

    Lots of drivers overtake slowing drivers and accelerate across the lights on red. So please don’t beep me when I wait 3 seconds after the lights change to green. I change my behaviour to adapt to the reality on the ground.

    The traffic slows down to accommodate the illegal hotheads. But in the metaphor, the USUKIS ***-****-wits and their Qaida partners are the illegal hotheads. And I am a legal commentator legally trying to tell the truth on a blog.

  222. THAT was proprietary info? What are the protocols? Now you have intrigued me.

  223. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 7:00 pm

    Clark

    Just to stay with you on this one for a little longer.

    “No, seriously; this new vaccine may be a very good thing, and I certainly hope it is. There is a possibility it could prove horribly wrong, like thalidomide did. Or it could turn out in due course that corruption between commercial and government concerns played a part in its introduction. I just don’t know these things. You, on the other hand, are obviously playing it up on behalf of your favourites, the Conservative party. But you do not know those things either, or at least I hope you don’t!”
    ______________________

    I can only repeat my “you might fall under a bus this week” – possibly but unlikely. Of course I don’t know these things either, but I remain optimistic, on the basis that Thalidomide-like tragedies are rare. Neither am I impressed by your suggestion that corruptiuon may have played a part in getting the vaccination onto the NHS – that sounds rather like an, expression of bad grace than a seriously-held belief.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Attempting to score party-political points on a blog like this seems pretty cheap,..”

    ________________

    With great respect, Clark, you are talking nonsense. For two reasons:

    1/. this blog is vaunted as the (?)third mostly widely- read political blog in the UK. Politics in the UK expresses itself mainly through political parties, who espouse various policies. So what is wrong with making a political or even party political point on this blog?

    2/. The present govt is frequently castigated for a variety of “offences” on this blog; indeed, one gets the impression that, for the Eminences at least, it can do nothing right. Hence it is not only my pleasure but also my absolute right to highlight cases where the govt has got something right – where, as the Leader would say, the Govt has done the right thing. What is wrong with that?

  224. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 7:08 pm

    Mr Goss

    “Thanks Herbie for the leaked Timoshenko tapes. Just what the world needs in a time of crisis, a madwoman like that in power.”
    _________________

    I wouldn’t worry too much about it. A seasoned old hand like you shouldn’t panic.

    1/. Politicians say all kinds of things. But do they necessarily do them?

    2/. Madwoman or not, she is not presently in power.

    3/. We must await the outcome of the elections in Ukraine to know whether she WILL be in power at all.

    So I advise you to keep calm. If you must panic about something right now, perhaps you could do so about the apparent build-up of Russian troops and matériel on the Russia-Ukraine border?

  225. Poor little babes. No wonder many develop needle phobias.

    CURRENT CHILDHOOD VACCINATIONS
    2 months – ’5 in 1′ – diptheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib); pneumococcal (PCV); rotavirus

    3 months – 5 in 1 (second dose); meningitis C; rotavirus (second dose)

    4 months – 5 in 1 (third dose); PCV (second dose)

    12-13 months – Hib/Men C booster; MMR (measles, mumps, rubella); PCV (third dose)

    2 and 3 years – annual flu jabS

    Around 3 years and 4 months – MMR (second dose); 4 in 1 – diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio

    Source; NHS Choices

    BIG PHARMA doing well.

    For clarification,

    The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said the vaccine was effective in preventing meningitis B and should be rolled out subject to it being made available by the manufacturer “at a cost effective price”.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-26679486

    Membership
    •Professor Andrew Pollard, Chair (University of Oxford)
    •Professor Judith Breuer (University College Hospital)
    •Dr Peter Elton (Greater Manchester, Lancashire, South Cumbria Strategic Clinical Network)
    •Dr Maggie Wearmouth (East Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust)
    •Mr Chris Liffen (lay member)
    •Dr Gabrielle Laing (NHS City & Hackney PCT)
    •Mrs Pauline MacDonald (Dudley Primary Care Trust)
    •Ms Anne McGowan (National Public Health Service for Wales)
    •Dr Andrew Riordan (Alder Hey Children’s NHS Foundation)
    •Professor Claire-Anne Siegrist (Geneva University Hospital)
    •Professor Matt Keeling (University of Warwick)
    •Dr Peter Baxter (Sheffield Childrens NHS Foundation Trust)
    •Alison Lawrence (lay member)
    •Professor Robert Read (Southampton General Hospital)
    •Professor Anthony Scott (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine)

    There seems to be no record of pecuniary interests, if any. If none, we should know.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/policy-advisory-groups/joint-committee-on-vaccination-and-immunisation

  226. Habbabkuk, tragedies like thalidomide shouldn’t be compared to personal accidents. It’s a matter of trust in the authorities, so it would make more sense to draw a parallel with the series of train crashes we had some years ago. I lost a friend in the Paddington crash.

    I’m sorry you don’t like the mention of corruption, but it does happen sometimes. I’m not in the least suggesting that it is any more likely in this case.

    This blog has never been much of a forum for inter-party debate. There are plenty of those, and I don’t think anything would be gained by this becoming just another such. I do hope you appreciate the diversity you find here; I think that could well be lost if political party megaphoning became the norm.

  227. @Herbie. Yes, Syria warmongering last year was a particular low for the Beeb. I was too busy with other things in 1987 to notice what happened to the BBC at that time. Wasn’t that an election year? Could you elucidate?

  228. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 7:25 pm

    Mary cooes:

    “Poor little babes. No wonder many develop needle phobias.

    CURRENT CHILDHOOD VACCINATIONS
    2 months – ’5 in 1′ – diptheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib); pneumococcal (PCV); rotavirus

    3 months – 5 in 1 (second dose); meningitis C; rotavirus (second dose)

    4 months – 5 in 1 (third dose); PCV (second dose)

    12-13 months – Hib/Men C booster; MMR (measles, mumps, rubella); PCV (third dose)

    2 and 3 years – annual flu jabS

    Around 3 years and 4 months – MMR (second dose); 4 in 1 – diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio

    Source; NHS Choices

    BIG PHARMA doing well.”
    _______________________________

    If the punch-line of the above is the little sneer at “Big Pharma”, then this post is cheaply foolish even by Mary’s usual standards.

    To avoid the “needle phobia” Mary’s mentioned, which of the above vaccinations would she recommend no longer be given?

  229. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 7:29 pm

    Clark

    “I think that could well be lost if political party megaphoning became the norm.”
    __________________

    In that case, address yourself to those on the blog who spend a lot of their time slagging off the present Coalition partners, the Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    As for your reaction to the making available on the NHS of the hepatitis B vaccination, I note in conclusion that it is not one of unqualified approval.

  230. That UK Gov site is out of date. PCTs and SHAs went ages ago. We now have clinical commissioning groups – CCGs.

    How much did Lansley’s Health and Social Care Act 2012 cost to implement?

    Why > £3billion.

  231. There is no ‘e’ in coos. It is usually ‘harrumphs’. Pathetic.

  232. The new data regarding the plane is said to be Doppler frequency shift analysis. I was actually wondering if they could do that on another forum a few days ago. The answer apparently is they could

  233. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 7:40 pm

    Mary

    “There is no ‘e’ in coos. It is usually ‘harrumphs’. Pathetic.”
    ____________________

    Never mind, Mary.

    Just answer the question raised by your post : which of those infant vaccinations would you suggest doing without in order to ensure that children don’t develop “needle phobia”?

  234. @Ba’al Zevul:

    Don’t forget that Ukraine was a member of the laughably called “coalition of the willing”. I bet that went down well with their Eastern neighbour.

  235. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    Mary writes:

    “Poor little babes. No wonder many develop needle phobias.

    CURRENT CHILDHOOD VACCINATIONS
    2 months – ’5 in 1′ – diptheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib); pneumococcal (PCV); rotavirus

    3 months – 5 in 1 (second dose); meningitis C; rotavirus (second dose)

    4 months – 5 in 1 (third dose); PCV (second dose)

    12-13 months – Hib/Men C booster; MMR (measles, mumps, rubella); PCV (third dose)

    2 and 3 years – annual flu jabS

    Around 3 years and 4 months – MMR (second dose); 4 in 1 – diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio

    Source; NHS Choices

    BIG PHARMA doing well.”
    _______________________________

    Habbabkuk asks :

    To avoid the “needle phobia” Mary’s mentioned, and to ensure that Big Pharma does less well, which of the above infant vaccinations would she recommend no longer be given?

  236. AA; Do you have a background in aviation? I’m surprised you didn’t chime in more on the ‘Disappear..’ thread. :)

  237. “Thanks Herbie for the leaked Timoshenko tapes. Just what the world needs in a time of crisis, a madwoman like that in power.”

    I have picture in my mind: Clinton, Nuland and Timoshenko sunning themselves on Abromovich’s luxury yacht. I don’t know where on earth this image comes from.

  238. AlcAnon/Squonk

    Not only can they do it, they can falsify it to make it look like a tragic accident. The dopplegang effect.

  239. @Habbabkuk:

    BSE happened because of a poor risk assessment.

    In this case, the risk does seem to have been suitably minimised, but you’ve always got to keep your eyes on those trying to cut corners to make a fast buck…

  240. Guano, you’re disturbing me.

    Daniel

    “I have picture in my mind: Clinton, Nuland and Timoshenko sunning themselves on Abramovich’s luxury yacht. I don’t know where on earth this image comes from.”

    Please. Please. I’m clean. I’ve just had a bath. No more dirty images. That’s grotesque. And I’ve just got this awful picture in my brain of Gulnara Karimova joining them with Tony Blair. Now look what you’ve done.

  241. Flight 370 captain is told to fly to Brunei, where he delivers 20 Chinese cryptographers to UKUSIS agents. Pilot then given permission to return to Kuala Lumpur with passengers. Bombs detonate so pilot tries to land at sea in the Malaccan Straits, witnessed by fishermen. Red herrings, tripe in all directions…

    UK spy company to the rescue with Doppler calculations for South Indian Ocean. China cannot take over Dollar as World currency because no longer able to defend itself from USUKIS attacks by land and sea. I predicted April 2014 for the currency manoeuvre. Looks like Cameron is whiter than white poodle poo.

  242. Strangely Timoshenko’s father’s middle name was Abramovych.

    Yulia Tymoshenko’s father Volodymyr Abramovych Hrihyan—who abandoned Lyudmila Telehina and his daughter when Yulia was three years old—was born December 3, 1937, in Dnipropetrovsk and was according to his Soviet passport Latvian. His mother was Maria Yosypivna Hrihyan, born in 1909. His father was Abram Kelmanovych Kapitelman (Ukrainian: Абрам Кельманович Капітельман, born in 1914); after graduating from Dnipropetrovsk State University in 1940 Kapitalman was sent to work in Western Ukraine, where he worked “one academic quarter” as the director of a public Jewish school in the city Sniatyn. In the autumn of 1940 Kapitalman was mobilized into the army, he was killed while taking part in World War II on November 8, 1944, with the rank of “lieutenant communications”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Yulia_Tymoshenko

  243. John. I’m disturbing me.

  244. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:11 pm

    Mary

    Which vaccinations do you think infants should go without? Would you like polio vaccinations abandoned? Diphteria, perhaps? Or MMR?

    Since you think there are too many vaccinations in infancy, it would be logical for you to tell us which of them you feel are superfluous.

  245. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 9:14 pm

    Mary

    “Strangely Timoshenko’s father’s middle name was Abramovych.”
    ____________________

    What do you find “strange” about that, Mary? Do tell us!

  246. Mary,

    Abramovich, simply means son of Abram or Abraham we would say. It’s called a patronymic. You can’t read anything into it. So her father would be Vladimir son of Abram (meaning his father’s Christian name was Abram). The last name is the family name or surname. She does share her surname with Semyon Timoshenko, a famous marshal who was also a friend of Stalin. This might be why the evil fraudstress who wants to nuke Russia has changed the spelling to Tymoshenko. But it is spelt in Russian the same as Timoshenko (which is why I transliterate it correctly). Anyway her husband is not related to Marshal Timoshenko. Thank God said one Russian commentator.

  247. John

    Her real name is not Tymoshenko.

    It’s Julia Hryhyan.

    http://annaraccoon.com/2014/03/06/uk-raine-terrain/

    Peacewisher

    1987 was the year Thatcher organised the sacking of Alaistair Milne, the last independent DG of the BBC.

    Then came the accountants and daleks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alasdair_Milne

    Do a search and you’ll find more on the background.

  248. Yes thanks Herbie. I’ve seen the raccoon website before. But that was her maiden name. She’s married to this man and between them they’ve siphoned off trillions from the poor people of the Ukraine. They should both be in prison but he fled. Don’t know whether he took any of the money back with him when she was released.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Tymoshenko

  249. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:17 pm

    Mr Goss

    “Mary,

    Abramovich, simply means son of Abram or Abraham we would say. It’s called a patronymic. You can’t read anything into it. So her father would be Vladimir son of Abram (meaning his father’s Christian name was Abram).”
    ________________________

    I think Mary’s well aware of that, Mr Goss, and I think you’re well aware of what Mary was getting at. If you aren’t, read further into her cut and paste
    (hint – full name of her grandfather).

  250. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:25 pm

    Mary appears to show great concern for children, eg

    “As I have suggested for BLiar, a cell on a cold island with a loop playing of the screams of injured Iraqi children.”

    Why then is she suggesting that there should be fewer infant vaccinations? Does she think that not protecting children against illnesses like MMR, polio, TB and diphteria is a price worth paying for getting Big Pharma to “do less well” (her words)?

  251. Mary, I was trying to stop you falling into a trap that one of the spidery people who trawl the blog was setting. A decent person would have explained rather than bait.

  252. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:32 pm

    Mr Goss

    “Mary, I was trying to stop you falling into a trap that one of the spidery people who trawl the blog was setting.”

    What trap was that, John? I don’t think anyone forced Mary to post what she did about Timoshenko’s father, did they? She posted it all by herself.

  253. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:42 pm

    Herbie fell into a kind of name trap as well, didn’t he :

    “Her real name is not Tymoshenko.

    It’s Julia Hryhyan.”

    And Mr Goss made a valiant effort to get Herbie out of it.

    You’re a true buddy, John.

  254. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    24 Mar, 2014 - 10:44 pm

    A valiant effort which included a nice bit of diversion (the “stolen trillions”).

    Classic piece of Gossery.

  255. Reading Nevermind’s link – Former NSA director Michael Hayden now a Chertoff group partner revealed a sinister methodology in an interview with Spiegel constrained by NSA truth revelations by former NSA contractor, Edward Snowden.

    Hayden attempted to extol the American belief that a ‘free’ democratic internet had been undermined by disclosures that only strengthened and sustained Russian and Chinese thrust for cyberspace barriers which I find laughable in the light of proven US Internet surveillance and moves toward ownership entitled ‘information superiority’ in cyberspace.

    Hayden admitted using NGO’s to distribute encryption devices(software?) which I interpret as protecting the anonymity of infiltrators, snipers and saboteurs. Hayden admits it is now harder to recruit these proxy agents because of US inability to keep secrets (deception) secret. Hayden was not prepared to apologise for spying on a friendly nation.

    Hayden went on to describe spying as a means of determining people’s inner thoughts by what they say in private especially if those thoughts were “inconsistent with the American view of the world.”

    Hayden tells us the American President is oblivious to decisions in the White House and the National Security Council. (that figures – Obama is a puppet)

    In relation to surveillance of other countries Hayden used a popular Zionist expression, “I can neither confirm nor deny what we do or don’t do.” “No-spy agreements are too difficult even with the British.”

  256. If anybody’s to blame for a misunderstanding of who Yulia Timoshenko is it is Anna Raccoon who does not mention she is married. Perhaps the focus should be on her.

  257. Resident Dissident

    24 Mar, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    “This might be why the evil fraudstress who wants to nuke Russia has changed the spelling to Tymoshenko. But it is spelt in Russian the same as Timoshenko”

    Might also have something to do with the Ukrainian language – but then you are an expert on all things Ukrainian aren’t you? And when has she ever expressed a desire to nuke Russia – links, sources or an apology please.

  258. Resident Dissident

    24 Mar, 2014 - 11:06 pm

    So Mary has found that Tymoshenko’s grandfather was a director of a Jewish school and died fighting real fascists – so what should we conclude from that Mary? Is that a question you would like to answer when challenged?

  259. I’m going to do some work on my book. But before I retire I leave you with a thought.

    When the Cold War ended the US created a new enemy with one of the worst false-flag incidents history has ever witnessed when it created a war on terror (Islam). Since the US funded the Maidan criminals that illegally took over the Ukraine parliament, and in the process lost Crimea forever, there has been a shift back towards “cold-war” politics. Hopefully this will take the pressure off Islam which has been a despicable plot on a religion to steal other countries’ resources – mostly oil. Discuss.

  260. Resident Dissident

    24 Mar, 2014 - 11:12 pm

    Having a very young child who caught German measles/rubella before the vaccination age because that disease became more prevalent because of the fall off in MMR vaccination rates I would urge any parent to ignore the drivel of those who know very little about the subject.

  261. Resident Dissident

    24 Mar, 2014 - 11:16 pm

    And two little thoughts for John – if the US is as good as creating false flag incidents as he suggests why was it able to magic up some WMDs in Iraq? And doesn’t he think that Mr Putin might not be the one seeking to benefit from a Cold War?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/putin-wins-in-russia-only-by-escalating-his-war-rhetoric/2014/03/14/65db1c80-ab91-11e3-98f6-8e3c562f9996_story.html

  262. RD you’ve got a nerve addressing me after this morning’s outburst.

    Herbie posted the link earlier. Unfortunately it’s Russia Today so I guess you won’t give it credibility. But here it is.

    http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/

  263. Mission accomplished in Iraq without any nasty money or Intel tracks.
    WMD location completely unnecessary

  264. “Mission accomplished in Iraq without any nasty money or Intel tracks.
    WMD location completely unnecessary”

    I got the impression they were proud of the fact there were no WMD, bragging about how they got one over on the rest of the world, seemed to think it made them cleverer than everyone else.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJQS3eLSXgA

  265. John

    Apparently she’s admitted on Twatter that it was indeed her.

    She’s saying that her threat to bomb the Ukrainian Russians was edited.

    That’s hard to believe.

    She didn’t deny that she’d like to nuke Russia.

  266. John Goss; “one of the spidery people….blackshirts that are crawling this blog” – hmmm. Does anyone here agree with killing anything?

  267. I mean, we are all against a nuclear war, right?

  268. @Herbie: Thanks for that. Just shows you can’t your eyes off media scrutiny for long – you miss something important. I assume this was after the election.

    Thatcher really was a menace, wasn’t she. But even she wouldn’t have bombed Belgrade like Clinton and Blair in 1999. Another question, because, like Craig, I was also mostly absent from watching the news during that bombing era (because I couldn’t bear it…). Why didn’t Russia intervene at that point to protect its former Warsaw Pact ally against an attack that was blatantly against International Law? Or has Putin been patiently waiting for 15 years to redress the balance in some way?

  269. Probably at least partly answering my own question with this excellent piece of BBC web journalism in the pre-Hutton days, and probably before No.10 saw an opportunity to editorially influence the website:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/325989.stm

  270. Peacewisher

    “Why didn’t Russia intervene at that point to protect its former Warsaw Pact ally against an attack that was blatantly against International Law?”

    Russia had intervened in the period building up to it, but ultimately Russia was weak militarily, financially and had a poor leader.

    They seem to be much better off now on all those metrics, especially since they got rid of western bankers.

    I wonder could we do the same.

  271. Thanks, Herbie. These will indeed be interesting times.

  272. Technicolour: Not me mate. After all, I’m one of those “MAD leftists” who don’t even like to see animals exploited for an assumed entitlement to a arbitrary preference of the palate. After all, “might is right” when it comes to exploitation – and most people prove it at every mealtime.

  273. @Peacewisher (25 Mar, 2014 – 12:19 am)

    Why didn’t Russia intervene at that point to protect its former Warsaw Pact ally against an attack that was blatantly against International Law? Or has Putin been patiently waiting for 15 years to redress the balance in some way?

    Yugoslavia was never a Warsaw Pact member. The Yalta conference between Churchill (whose close confidantes were riddled with Russian agents, Cambridge ring etc.) Roosevelt (whose close confidantes were riddled with Russian agents, Zionists) and Stalin, at which Europe was crudely carved up, Poland physically moved completely westwards, Yugoslavia was divided 75%/25% as simple as that, in terms of influence, neither west nor east asserting overall control, by mutual agreement. Personal ties between Tito and Stalin did bind them closely, but the spirit of the Yalta agreements were respected by the USSR and it never asserted itself there, or incorporated it in the Warsaw Pact. Along with Yugoslavia, Greece too had a similar ambiguous status, 50/50, unlike everywhere else which were placed one side or another of the iron curtain they together built.

    It was more or less at this time that Ukraine the modern day former soviet socialist republic was created separately rather than incorporated into Russia proper, of which it was effectively part, a separate state would give the Soviet bloc an additional UN member state, compensating for the British Empire’s multiple seats through its pseudo-autonomous Commonwealth countries, with Britain claiming more seats for ever more colonies and Stalin doing likewise conjuring ever more new SSRs as the conference wore on. The superstructure of the UN, the UNSC, the permanent members and the UNSC veto were all decided during these negotiations.

    Poland occupied a great deal of time, Churchill was bitterly upset that Poland was not on the western side, given its torment and its brave allied fight, its pilots huge role in the Battle of Britain and Polish cryptographers early crucial inroads on Enigma, Roosevelt did not consider it important and he and Stalin humiliated and marginalised Churchill, the Polish people themselves were thought torn between the functioning popular Russian backed temporary eastern government which along with Russian forces had helped drive the Germans westwards, and the British supported and still London based government-in-exile; its borders were extremely fluid and were to be altered dramatically at Germany’s expense beyond that agreed, but all knowing probably that Russia would take a corresponding eastern portion of post-Versailles Poland for itself. Poland would still be no nearer resolution by the later Postsdam conference when Truman replaced the dead Roosevelt and Clement Atlee accompanied Churchill. Poland got a far worse deal than some of new Yugoslavia’s component parts, many of which were fanatically pro-Nazi to the end. Churchill could not attain for Poland the same almost afterthought non-aligned status of Greece or even the less advantageous position of Yugoslavia. As Truman by then knew the nuclear bomb tests were successful, and would be informing Stalin of this at conference end, their interest in detailed negotiations, or obtaining the guarantees for Poland Churchill was still inisistent upon, was even less than it had been at Yalta.

  274. Utterly disgraceful opportunist piece by Richard Seymour

    Christopher Hitchens, Nick Cohen, et al – eat your heart out:
    http://www.leninology.com/2014/03/against-imperialist-intervention-in.html?m=1

    The thread of comments on Medialens here.
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1395699840.html

  275. Resident Dissident

    25 Mar, 2014 - 6:55 am

    RD you’ve got a nerve addressing me after this morning’s outburst.

    And you have a nerve even posting after saying I supported Svoboda and was a blackshirt. Who do you think you are thinking you can insult people with impunity.

  276. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    25 Mar, 2014 - 7:04 am

    John Goss

    “If anybody’s to blame for a misunderstanding of who Yulia Timoshenko is it is Anna Raccoon who does not mention she is married. Perhaps the focus should be on her.”
    ________________________

    Can’t let you get away with that, Mr Goss. Mary’s “strange that her father’s name was Abramovich” was culled from Wikipedia, not from Anna Racoon and it was that which I was asking about.

    So I repeat my question to Mary (but you can answer in her stead if you wish):

    What is so “strange” about someone being called Abramovich?

  277. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    25 Mar, 2014 - 7:16 am

    Tiny M

    “Along with Yugoslavia, Greece too had a similar ambiguous status, 50/50,…”
    ________________

    Incorrect. Greece was 90% / 10% ( to balance Romania and Bulgaria)

  278. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    25 Mar, 2014 - 7:23 am

    “Having a very young child who caught German measles/rubella before the vaccination age because that disease became more prevalent because of the fall off in MMR vaccination rates I would urge any parent to ignore the drivel of those who know very little about the subject.”
    _____________________

    I fully agree. And find it shameful that one of the regulars here should advocate fewer vaccinations in infancy in order, it seems, (1) to get in a dig at “Big Pharma” and (2) to avoid expressing approval of the intention of the govt to make the meningitis B vaccination available under the NHS.

    This is the same hypocrite who complained about me asking someone whether he was (metaphorically) blind.

  279. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    25 Mar, 2014 - 7:46 am

    Mary

    OK, here’s an offer in order to achieve closure.

    If you’re willing to express regret for your posts about “Abramovych” and infant vaccinations, I’ll let those two matters drop.

    That’s fair enough, isn’t it?

  280. @Mary (25 Mar, 2014 – 6:26 am)

    Utterly disgraceful opportunist piece by Richard Seymour

    Agree, shocking, just from reading the Medialens commentary, I think I’ll spare myself reading the whole article. Compare Seymour’s (whoever the hell he is) ultranationalist ideas: “Do we have no interest in the politics of nationalist belonging?” with Scottish Independence supporter’s enlightened view: “At the moment, none of the main political actors speak to the widespread interest in an anti-nationalist support for independence. ‘Anti-nationalist’ in the sense that people may vote yes not because they believe in some kind of Scottish manifest destiny but out of a desire to renew a workable democracy amid the systemic dysfunctions of the British state.”

    http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/03/21/why-anti-nationalists-should-vote-yes/

  281. “And you have a nerve even posting after saying I supported Svoboda and was a blackshirt. Who do you think you are thinking you can insult people with impunity.”

    But that’s where you’re wrong. I never particularly targeted you and I can only assume, as I assumed yesterday, that guild had a part in this assumption. If I did particularly target you as being a blackshirt show me where and I will see if an apology is in order.

  282. guild = guilt

  283. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 8:08 am

    Given that the BBC gets a lot of stick on this blog, I was just wondering what commenters thought about the govts’s apparent willingness to consider de-criminalising non-payment of the licence fee?

    Any competent authoritarian will recognise that decriminalisation will result in reduced payment of the license fee, which with its multilayered management and Archaean culture, will help destroy the BBC completely. I will say nothing of Cameron’s(or Gove’s, or Johnson’s) frequent contacts with Rupert Murdoch, still less of Gove’s wife’s handy little sinecure under Dacre…

    …as Clark says, “Attempting to score party-political points on a blog like this seems pretty cheap, similar to the support for the Russian military response in Crimea.”

    It is cheap, in every sense. But they’re getting desperate.

  284. One of the Ukrainian Nazis shot dead by, Russians, Ukrainians or the west. It looks like they were all after Alexander Muzychko.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/25/ukraine-pravy-sector-leader-muzychko-shot-dead/

  285. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 8:34 am

    “Which is EXACTLY why it’s splendid news that the jab will henceforth be offered on the NHS and therefore FREE.

    Aren’t you pleased about that?”

    Delighted. It fully illustrates the advantage of keeping the NHS out of the hands of private enterprise, especially those enterprises specifically set up to leech taxpayer’s money for the inefficient provision of services (1). Which is why I mentioned it. Your point being?

    (1) viz, eg. PFI contractors.

    http://www.if.org.uk/archives/3453/new-figures-reveal-weight-of-pfi-burden-on-nhs-trusts

    Boosting the economy, of course….Jersey’s economy. Or the Caymans’

    http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=news&issue=1362

    Like to comment on Cameron’s commitment to clamp down on tax evasion, buggerlugs?

    I bet you wouldn’t.

  286. It was Alexander Muzychko who beat up a clerk in a prosecutor’s office in a widely watched video. His Nazi background, fighting alongside the right wing Chechnyans against the Russians marked his personal history in the gallery of rogues.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKEF5uoU_I

  287. When they get rid of all the Nazis, fascists and blackshirts in the new Ukrainian government there will be nobody left to vote for.

  288. Tony M thank you for the link to a very well-researched article on the Ukraine. From the first part I reached the conclusion that the resources, like great topsoil, granite and other minerals in the Ukraine are what the west is after in its aims of World Spectral Domination. Learning about how western powers had co-ordinated their efforts to usurp a previous properly-run election in order to steal these was reminiscent of how Karl Rove got George W. Bush illegally elected. They live lies. It is why I go to Russia Today to get some semblance of truth to mix with the disinformation of our own media.

    “When Yushchenko lost the 2004 election to Viktor Yanukovych,several elements worked in concert to create an aura of fraud around the results, and to mobilize popular support for a new run-off. Using the Pora and other youth groups, especially election monitors, in coordination with key western media such as CNN and BBC, a second election was organized that allowed Yushchenko to squeak out a narrow margin of victory in January 2005 and declare himself President. The US State Department reportedly spent some $20 million to secure a US-friendly outcome in the Ukraine Presidency.”

  289. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 9:49 am

    They haven’t found the actual site (as far as I know), but they’re quoting new data from Immarsat.
    They haven’t said yet what that data is.

    It’s bollocks, IMO. Long before Inmarsat “developed” its whizzo new “analysis” of the relatively useless ping data, hugely expensive SAR resources were en route to a constrained region of the Southern Ocean. This (to me) suggests that much better data was already available to confirm that the southern arc was the one followed by the flight,either from undisclosed electronic surveillance (reception of the pings by another satellite would have been sufficient to disambiguate the Inmarsat data) or high-resolution optical sensors. In turn, this indicates input from -probably US – military sources. Inmarsat were obliged to conceal this. IMHO.

  290. “Scottish Independence supporter’s enlightened view:”

    As soon as they stop shouting “BIAS”, “UNFAIR”, “SCAREMONGERING” long enough to tell anybody what it is.

    You wouldn’t have the Scottish government’s deficit forecasts handy would you?

  291. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    25 Mar, 2014 - 10:03 am

    BeelZeBubble

    “Given that the BBC gets a lot of stick on this blog, I was just wondering what commenters thought about the govts’s apparent willingness to consider de-criminalising non-payment of the licence fee?”
    ____________________

    Got you there, didn’t I – you’re in the proverbial cleft stick, caught between your dislike for the BBC (which you and your fellow Eminences continually slate) and your inability to admit that the present govt can do anything right. So you seek to divert :)

    You need to sharpen up.

  292. “What is so “strange” about someone being called Abramovich?”

    Strange she wasn’t called “The Annihilator”. Now will you let it drop? There are important issues to be discussed on this blog but certain people are only interested in point-scoring. It lowers the intellect of comments, is distracting, and generally comes from those incapable of having an engaging debate. So mod(s) please watch for this. Eliminate it and the blog will start to attract again the good people who have been staying away. Thanks.

  293. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 10:07 am

    Meanwhile, in Uzbekistan -

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26713383

    Has Gulnara finally fallen from grace?

  294. There again, where would the cowpat flies have to breed if you wasn’t here.

  295. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 10:16 am

    Buggerlugs raves: “Got you there, didn’t I – you’re in the proverbial cleft stick, caught between your dislike for the BBC (which you and your fellow Eminences continually slate) and your inability to admit that the present govt can do anything right. So you seek to divert :)

    No. You must really learn to distinguish between individual commenters on this blog. I very rarely criticise the BBC’s reporting, much of which is excellent. However its management is ponderous and sclerotic, it is certainly under pressure to reflect the government of the day’s views, and your chums in the rentamedia industry would like to see the end of it.

    When your mentors and guides do anything at all, the reason given to the public – which you swallow uncritically – is tailored to maximise their chances of re-election. The economic aspect is concealed. And the economic aspect is that their actions are designed to hand large sums of money to their own sponsors.

    Not a diversion, buggerlugs. Just detaching you from your teat for a moment. Or trough.

    Here’s an excellent BBC programme – you can get it on the iplayer link – outlining the inevitable consequences of an unregulated market…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26680993

    Enjoy.

  296. Ref BBC Ba’al I thought it odd too. Perhaps the plan is to privatise it and flog it off to the highest bidder when they say its income has fallen to an unsustainable level. Would they allow the state broadcaster to go into other hands though?

    Heard earlier that 1,600 managerial jobs are going at the ‘Royal’ Mail. This will bring strike action. There will be 300 new or enhanced roles whatever the latter means.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26728116

    Flogged off at 455p. Currently 576.5p
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/shares/3/89934/twelve_month.stm

    Cable is trying to stop the Canadian Moya Greene’s salary increase. She already takes £1.5m. Look at the repellent ConDems in this photo. The greed shows. Fallon is the one with the job of selling us fracking.

    Royal Mail boss Moya Greene is ‘badly paid’ on £1.5MILLION a year, chairman claims
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/royal-mail-boss-moya-greene-3042492

    Few people know that there is a large and valuable property portfolio (redundant depots etc) available to the privateers and that included in the flog off was the post code database also of great commercial value. State assets given to the private sector as per usual.

    Ministers criticised for sale of postcode database
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26605375

    ‘Committee chairman Bernard Jenkin said: “The sale of the PAF with the Royal Mail was a mistake. Public access to public sector data must never be sold or given away again.’

    ‘Analysts Deloitte had assessed the value of this information to consumers, businesses and the public sector at £1.8bn a year, it added.’

  297. John I am not responding to the taunts.

    Being truthful, I had no idea that the ..ovitch/..ovych ending meant ‘son of’. All totally irrelevant of course.

  298. Very sensible Mary. As you say, all totally irrelevant. That is my worry for this very popular blog being dragged down by a few crass comment-makers, one of whom disrupts one thread and moves quickly onto the next without any reasonable debate.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/deconstructing-putin/comment-page-3/#comment-448715

  299. Prince Harry follows in the footsteps of Uncle Andrew and BLiar to visit the dictatorship of Kazakhstan for some skiing.

    Harry has reportedly shunned the luxury Swiss resort favoured by royals, opting instead for a romantic winter break in the ex-Soviet state
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/price-harry-whisks-cressida-skiing-3279647

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1365907/Tony-Blair-Prince-Andrew-mutual-Kazakhstan.html

    ‘Severe limits on ability to change their government; detainee and prisoner torture and other abuse; unhealthy prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention; lack of an independent judiciary; restrictions on freedom of speech, pervasive corruption, especially in law enforcement and the judicial system; discrimination and violence against women; trafficking in persons.’

  300. “Ref BBC Ba’al I thought it odd too. Perhaps the plan is to privatise it and flog it off to the highest bidder when they say its income has fallen to an unsustainable level. Would they allow the state broadcaster to go into other hands though?”

    It’s no mystery Mary. The cost of enforcement is exceeding the benefits, it’s costing more to pay people to go round with detector vans than they get back.

    Decriminalising the license fee will allow them to hand it over to a debt collection company on a percentage basis. The company will be able to charge costs for bringing a prosecution, anyone caught would most likely have been better off paying a fine, unless they settle out of court which I expect the vast majority will.

    It is a good idea in theory, if the debt collection company is honest, experience shows they are usually more interested in profits than justice or the rights of the individual. People such as myself who do not have a TV are likely to get harassed and intimidated.

    Speaking of which I see ATOS are official sponsors of the Commonwealth Games in Scotland.

  301. Ba’al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures) 25 Mar, 2014 – 10:07 am

    I’m sure Craig and Uzbek in the UK would be pleased to read that BBC article about Gulnara Karimova if they can wade through the Habba distractions first. This is an enlightened article which raises questions about what Gulnara’s real message is. Are she and her daughter really under house arrest? Is she really a reformed character? Or is it a means of changing her public image to prepare for continuation of the dynasty? Or is her sister Lola the rising star? She’s described as a philanthropist.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola_Karimova-Tillyaeva

    It would be good to get some enlightened opinion on this from experts like Craig and those who have lived there like Uzbek in the UK, (instead of having to listen to his perpetual tirade against mad lefties).

  302. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 11:14 am

    “Perhaps the plan is to privatise it and flog it off to the highest bidder when they say its income has fallen to an unsustainable level. Would they allow the state broadcaster to go into other hands though?”

    All sorts of options available;

    Allow advertising to fund the business. Lucrative, and with only a little manipulation, would prevent adverse comment re. big oil, polluters, companies trading with disgusting regimes etc. A lot of PR companies pay MP’s.

    Much of the BBC’s production capacity has already been dismantled on the assumption that it would buy programming from private companies, which it does (and nothing particularly wrong with that on the entertainment side). The end of that particular road is an organisation which consists entirely of managers, when nothing whatever is being produced. This, and its property, would be an attractive speculation for a hedge fund, perhaps. What fell “into other hands” would not actually be the BBC, then.

    The World Service is already funded by the Foreign Office (its worldwide shortwave stations are now owned by Babcock) and would continue to be a separate entity, whose credibility, as it increasingly compromised to retain income, would be no more than Press TV’s or RT’s – which have the same problem.

    But I think what Murdoch and other media oligarchs would like is for the BBC to become a castrated parody of itself, kept on a very tight financial leash, and dealing exclusively in the kind of material that doesn’t sell advertising. The model of public service broadcasters in the US, in other words. Then the likes of buggerlugs can mock it for its -necessarily – niche, lefty appeal. The marginalisation scenario.

  303. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 11:21 am

    Yes, John. I posted the link without comment re. Gulnara, as I don’t want to accept it at face value. If Googoo is currently shackled hand and foot and being flogged by her Dad, it sounds too good to be true. Perhaps it’s a ploy to set her up as a tame ‘opposition’ figure who will not object to only getting 10% to Dad’s 91% in the next election?

  304. Latest news for Googoosha!

    “How naive I was to think that the rule of law exists in the country,”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26713383

    Surely Craig a first!

  305. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 11:36 am

    Mind you, Mary, the Post Office solution is favourite for the BBC, too. This would be spun as ‘letting hard working families decide,’ perhaps. Having applied the stranglehold of reduced income from license fees, there would be a profitability crisis (yeah, yeah, it’s never been in profit. Ever. How could it be? But the SUN will be lengthily appalled) and the public would be offered shares at knockdown rates. By ‘public’ we really mean an unpublicised issue of 75% to institutional investors and 25%, non-voting, to the small fry.

    Ownership would then be transferred to some hedge funds, who would be free to turn it into anything they pleased, perhaps, optionally, retaining an obligation to broadcast the News once a week on Tuesdays. My guess is executive housing.

  306. “If Googoo is currently shackled hand and foot and being flogged by her Dad, it sounds too good to be true.”

    You said that as a joke. Right? I wouldn’t want to think of anyone being treated like that. Remember, if it is true, that she has lived a life of luxury, with slaves to do her every bidding, how much harder it must be for her to be in a similar position herself.

    If true, this sneaking in and out letters shows she has some kind of freedom. It’s a bit like Mary Queen of Scots being incarcerated in Loch Leven, or Tutbury. It is full of intrigue and the kind of thing the soon-to-be-privatised BBC does very well. Anyway, come on you experts. Analyse please!

  307. http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html

    Wise words from an elder US statesman about the folly of a new Cold War with Russia

  308. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 12:02 pm

    “You said that as a joke. Right? I wouldn’t want to think of anyone being treated like that.”

    A lot of Uzbeks would probably take a different position…I await confirmation. Joke? No. Not funny, although the words ‘poetic’ and ‘justice’ suggest themselves. Just that there may be more than meets the eye. Additionally, it could be convenient to be a helpless prisoner of a regime which doesn’t hold with international law if the Swiss are looking to extradite you. Call me a cynic if you will.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26543458

  309. John Goss
    25 Mar, 2014 – 8:21 am

    One of the Ukrainian Nazis shot dead by, Russians, Ukrainians or the west. It looks like they were all after Alexander Muzychko.

    Who did him in, I wonder?

    “It is noteworthy that Muzychko, after having fulfilled a function, increasingly became a PR liability for US and EU leaders who had supported the armed coup d’Ètat in Ukraine with the help of neo-Nazi and ultra-nationalist organizations.”

  310. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 12:30 pm

    Some opposition commentary on the state of Karimov’s government. Are the (other) rats preparing to leave the ship? And to whom might they be planning to flee?

    http://birdamlik.info/en/2014/03/12/karimov-makes-a-last-ditch-attempt/

    Cui bono?

  311. doug scorgie

    25 Mar, 2014 - 1:01 pm

    BBC ‘total fabrication from beginning to end’ of Syria ‘atrocity. CIA caught infiltrating CNN, and Operation Mockingbird

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38047.htm

  312. “Who did him in, I wonder?”

    The Kiev govt are claiming it was a police operation:

    “The leader of an armed group in the Rivne oblast who made headlines in the world (damaging Ukraine’s image) for threatening a prosecutor in his office with a Kalashnikov, was killed during a police operation, the first deputy interior minister Volodymyr Yevdokymov said, UNN reports March 25.”

    http://zik.ua/en/news/2014/03/25/police_sashko_bily_killed_during_his_arrest_473620

    Pity. With his increasingly prominent media profile, I fancied him as a rising star of the new regime.

  313. “Who did him in, I wonder?”

    Somebody knows Doug. And eventually we will all know. It would not surprise me if this was not the first of many assassinations. Next on the list could be Igor Miroshnichenko.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/19/kiev-tv-attack_n_4995160.html

    These western-backed thugs are the ones destabilising a once fairly stable country. I think, and even a part of me hopes, that these fascists will be subdued before the world suffers even more than it has over the last fifteen years. Full spectrum dominance is not something I want. It is something the United States of America has been working towards aided by bankster money. Those who do want FSD will never achieve it.

    “He who kills with the sword shall be killed by the sword.”

  314. Alexander Muzychko was relatively small fry. Removing him and a like few may well be a tactic by the Victoria-”f*ck-the”-Nuland tendency in Kiev to suppress the pumped-up stormtroopers, and have been weighed up for its obfuscatory value. It certainly won’t impede the novus ordo seclorum mission. What would be of more genuine benefit the oppressed people of the region would be some carefully targeted action in the Far West rather than these lowly tools.

  315. This seems a reasonable summing of the situation:

    “”I think that the government is well aware of this. Now they try to reason the revolutionary component of Maidan with different methods. The first step was to create National Guards from radical forces, designating them an external enemy – Russia, thereby setting their zeal and energy against Russia. But I think that many radicals will not be satisfied in the barracks with humble soldiers’ food. Many of them remained in the streets doing there what they were doing before – committing crimes. They attack people, entrepreneurs and former oligarchs.”

    http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/25-03-2014/127158-ukraine_muzychko-0/

  316. Could be Winkletoe. Kill a few low-lifes, get the US backed favourites to criticise the actions of those bringing them into disrepute, as Klitschko has done, and voilà you have an apparent moderate government. I still think it is too early to know who carried it out. When you’re hated by all sides, and have been a nasty mercenary and murderer, it is time to buy yourself a coffin.

  317. Visiting conservative forums and seeing the commentary for some years, the Tea Partiers talking of secession and 2nd amendment solutions, I have no doubt if there were a less stable form of government, they would be pulling the same tricks as Maidan and Co.

    We had a Civil War, and a bloody attempt at partitioning an entire region, I think, by the same sort of people.

  318. Kinda sorta OT, but it does involve Chechnya and Dagestan. Even when we have CSI’s from several agencies, sworn to tell the truth, we can’t get straight answers.

    http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/05/fbi-changes-its-story-again-ibragim-todashev-shooting/65750/

  319. Israel and Palestine – short Lords debate Lady Warsi responding
    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldhansrd/text/140324-0001.htm#14032410000827

    Can you believe that HMG has no knowledge of B’setselem?

    Lords Palmer and Turnberg are supporters of Zionist Israel.

    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-palmer-of-childs-hill/4214

    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-turnberg/2537

  320. This is on-topic somewhere else. Is the CIA involved in the disappearance of the Malaysian airliner? Just asking.

    http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=22284&start

    In this day and age when so much can be done remotely it would be wrong not to investigate every angle to a missing plane, presumably lost in the area known as the roaring forties, for which some accounts are suggesting may have been diverted to Diego Garcia. I would not have been so suspicious if wreckage had been found.

  321. ‘Disappear..’ thread is still active, John.

  322. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 2:34 pm

    “Baroness Warsi: I am not familiar with that particular human rights group but I will certainly ensure that officials are aware of the work that it is doing.”

    Well, that helps with one question. Which my MP said he would ask her, but didn’t; who actually funds the Con/Lab/Lib/Commons-bar-staff Friends of Israel groups?

    http://sayeedawarsi.com/tag/conservative-friends-of-israel/

  323. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 2:35 pm

    PS – I know the answer, btw.

  324. Earlier Fred mentioned that ATOS are sponsors of the Commonwealth Games, more bread and circuses.

    25 Mar 2014

    Atos, G4S paid no corporation tax last year despite carrying out £2billion of taxpayer-funded work

    Two of the country’s biggest private contractors paid no corporation tax in Britain last year, despite carrying out billions of pounds of taxpayer funded work for the Government, an official audit finds

    http://welfaretales.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/atos-g4s-paid-no-corporation-tax-last-year-despite-carrying-out-2billion-of-taxpayer-funded-work/

    Pure chutzpah.

  325. Typo earlier

    s/be B’Tselem.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B'Tselem

  326. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 2:53 pm

    “Atos, G4S paid no corporation tax last year despite carrying out £2billion of taxpayer-funded work” (Mary)

    Oh, you mean like John Laing plc, which has 40% of the new PFI to build Alder Hey childrens’ hospital? Hasn’t paid corporation tax in years. Or Laing O’Rourke – also 40% – the company bought from Laing Construction for £1, also an accomplished dodger of taxes? I linked to this earlier, but I’d hate anyone to miss an excellent article on stitching up the taxpayer, so, again;

    http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=news

    Seems like it’s standard practice to calculate the tax benefit to the exchequer on the basis of future taxes which no-one has a hope in hell of recovering, doesn’t it? What’s on the telly tonight?

  327. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    25 Mar, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Mary

    “Can you believe that HMG has no knowledge of B’setselem?”
    ____________________-

    Almost as unbelievable as you claiming that you had no idea that Abramoych was a patronymic.

    ********************

    BTW, have you considered expressing regret for your unfortunate and insensitive
    post on infant vaccinations yet?

  328. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    25 Mar, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    Abramovych

  329. Ba'al Zevul (Vote For The Pretty Pictures)

    25 Mar, 2014 - 3:16 pm

    Like to comment on Cameron’s commitment to clamp down on tax evasion, buggerlugs?

    Mods, you may delete this with all the other rhetorical questions another poster repeats for want of anything sensible to do…

  330. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    25 Mar, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    BlubberZul

    “You must really learn to distinguish between individual commenters on this blog.”
    __________________-

    Very difficult to distinguish between the sheep in a flock, all baa-ing and bleating away in chorus. :)

  331. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    25 Mar, 2014 - 3:31 pm

    “Like to comment on Cameron’s commitment to clamp down on tax evasion,”
    ______________

    With pleasure, BubbleZubble. I welcome that commitment and very much hope that it is translated into concrete, effective action as soon as possible.

    **************

    Having got your diversion out of the way, let me say that I’m happy you’re delighted with the prospect of free meningitis B jabs on the NHS.

    Would you, like Mary, like to get rid of some of the other jabs on order to ensure that children don’t get “needle phobia”?

  332. Craig Murray, everybody, this is Bill Gates’ dreamland, the western-backed, United Arab Emirates. Slavery of very young children strapped to the backs of camels as entertainment for the Oil-rich Sheiks. This might even move the tacit supporter of torture.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=636967906368961

  333. After my modanon kerfluffle, I can understand the reticence to engage me, :)

    I feel like a steer in the slaughterhouse.

  334. Sofia Kibo Noh

    25 Mar, 2014 - 3:54 pm

    John Goss.

    ““Who did him in, I wonder?””

    Well it wasn’t me. I was washing my hair.

  335. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    25 Mar, 2014 - 3:54 pm

    From John Goss

    “Strange she wasn’t called “The Annihilator”. Now will you let it drop? There are important issues to be discussed on this blog but certain people are only interested in point-scoring. It lowers the intellect of comments, is distracting, and generally comes from those incapable of having an engaging debate. So mod(s) please watch for this. Eliminate it and the blog will start to attract again the good people who have been staying away. Thanks.”

    and

    “That is my worry for this very popular blog being dragged down by a few crass comment-makers, one of whom disrupts one thread and moves quickly onto the next without any reasonable debate.”
    _________________

    You need to be told, Mr Goss.

    I believe you are a “contributing editor” to another online effort called something like “Newsjunkiepost”, which frequently carries pieces by you.

    I learnt the other day – you linked to it yourself – that in addition you also have your own blog (“Johngossip” or similar), where you also seem quite active.

    Now I don’t know much about blogging etiquette, but given that you have two blogs of your own, I can’t help thinking there’s something indecent about you squatting on Craig’s blog to the extent you do. You post here so frequently that you not only give the impression of squatting but also of wanting to colonize Craig’s blog and turn it into a propaganda vehicle for your views.

    Perhaps you should devote more time and effort to your own two blogs and stop trying to colonize this one?

    Furthermore, you compound your offence by writing the sort of thing I’ve quoted above. Not only do you seek to colonize this blog but you also presume, in true colonialist style, to set the agenda, lay down what should and should not be discussed, pronounce on who is diverting and who isn’t, and you even attempt to give instructions to the moderators.

    You must learn that even if you were something more than a rather insolent squatter you would still no rank above any other poster here on Craig’s blog. I advise a period of silence on your part and a short course in on the law of trespass.

    **********************

    “Life has become better, life has become merrier!” (J.Stalin, ca. 1934)

  336. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a! 25 Mar, 2014 – 3:54 pm

    This is really what made you go off on one. Isn’t it?

    “Craig Murray, everybody, this is Bill Gates’ dreamland, the western-backed, United Arab Emirates. Slavery of very young children strapped to the backs of camels as entertainment for the Oil-rich Sheiks. This might even move the tacit supporter of torture.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=636967906368961

  337. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    25 Mar, 2014 - 4:21 pm

    John Goss (afterthought)

    And please stop using Craig’s blog as a kind of advertisement hoarding for your own two blogs.

  338. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a! 25 Mar, 2014 – 3:54 pm

    It did not move him because he is only here to disrupt, not to debate. Upset by being accused of having no heart he makes a personal attack on me. Watch the video. And grow up!

  339. Shortly before news of the death of Alexander Muzychko a video appeared online in which some lady friends repeatedly kick him in the face for his gratification. The original video has been removed from youtube but this Russian news report is still up as of writing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdQrctRbjeY

  340. http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/right-sector-demands-avakovs-dismissal-task-force-members-arrest-for-killing-its-activist-340849.html

    Right Sector demands Avakov’s dismissal, task force members’ arrest for killing its activist

    The Ukrainian radical group Right Sector demands Interior Minister Arsen Avakov’s immediate dismissal and the arrest of members of the Sokil (Falcon) special task force involved in killing nationalist leader Oleksandr Muzychko nicknamed Sashko Bily in the Rivne region early on March 25.

  341. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    25 Mar, 2014 - 4:54 pm

    John Goss

    I had not even noticed your post about boys on camels when I composed and sent mine.

    What I said to you needed saying, so don’t come the smart one. Go back to your own two blogs and stop trying to turn this one into some kind of personal Pravda.

  342. Here’s some RT coverage of the killing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg9sniD-ms8

    And additional photos of scene, men with guns, standing about looking, masks, leather jackets, designer jeans and what look like robocops.

    Looks very much like he was handcuffed. So assassination rather than shootout.

    WARNING: Very grisly images

    http://charivne.info/news/Fotoreportazh-z-mistsya-rozstrilu-Oleksandra-Muzichka-

  343. Habbabkuk, I know you think this is you blog. It is not. Nobody with any sense takes much notice of a thing you write. It is insulting and designed to raise hackles. It is why you spend most of your time talking to yourself. Don’t tell me what to do. You’ve already earnt your ticket twice (if I remember correctly). It still does not stop your nonsense. If you’ve nothing sensible to say don’t say anything. I know you will find it difficult. But stop attacking other people who comment.

  344. ‘Very difficult to distinguish between the t—-s in a flock, all baa-ing and bleating away in chorus.’

    Quite so.

    Or more like dogs with bones.

  345. Please stick to posting relevant comments and avoid sniping at one another.

  346. Hard luck on any of the t….s here who live in rural locations.

    Funding change could force rural GP practices to close, BMA warns

    Large areas of rural England could be left without any GP services for local residents as a result of cuts in national funding

    The Guardian, Friday 21 February 2014
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/21/funding-rural-gp-practices-close-bma

  347. Nature notes: http://www.wildlifeinsight.com/Insight/?p=3665

    Golden yellow flies covering cow pats are a familiar sight but it’s rare, understandably, that anyone gets down to take a close look. These Yellow Dung Fly are quite spectacular beasts.
    Insight into Yellow Dung Fly (Scathophaga stercoraria): common throughout Britain, in spring large numbers gather on cow, horse or sheep dung to mate and lay eggs.

    The larvae feed on the dung.

    They are an important food source for the Lesser Habbabkuk, Special advisor to the Minister for Cowpats.

  348. ‘Working people in the UK are seeing their living standards squeezed harder and harder every year. Energy, transport and housing costs are soaring but wages aren’t keeping up. Top pay keeps on rising, yet those on middle or low incomes see their pay packets continually eroded.

    While new jobs may be returning to the economy they’re increasingly low paid jobs, with low hours and low security. In-work poverty is growing in the UK, with more working people forced to turn to food banks or payday lenders.

    We’re backing Fair Pay Fortnight: Two weeks of events and actions from the TUC and Britain’s unions, aimed at getting the pay crisis firmly onto the public agenda.

    We’re running a petition, calling on the party leaders to make a public commitment to fair pay in their manifestos for 2015. It is essential that ordinary workers benefit from economic growth not just the wealthiest in our society. We need an economy that can create good jobs with good wages for everyone.

    Please join our call for fairer pay by signing the petition now.’

    http://act.goingtowork.org.uk/page/s/tell-the-party-leaders-that-britain-needs-a-payrise

    More on Fair Pay Fortnight at http://fairpayfortnight.org/

  349. Fool
    Yes Sir. I’m going to stick to cowpats. Anything’s got to be more relevant to the subject in hand than the endless harrumphing of the Horseshoe Bat.

  350. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    25 Mar, 2014 - 5:28 pm

    John Goss

    No, John, it’s you who thinks this blog belongs to you and your supporters.

    The point is : your own two blogs have a pitifully small readership and hardly figure on the radar screen. So you latch onto this blog, which is widely read because of Craig’s good standing, as a vehicle to disseminate your hateful, mendacious and authoritarian views. Like a flea on an unwilling dog. You are a squatter and a coloniser, without the grace or good manners even to refrain from trying to boss others around.

    Go back to your own blogs and try to make something out of them if you can. You’re not fit to be on this one.

  351. Indeed Mary, by the time I get a client who can afford to pay for a job, it’ll be time to retire anyway. The cost of electrical materials has risen with our falling QE’d currency purchasing power. And cheap labour has flooded the market. Nobody has got any money to pay for inessentials, and what they have got is borrowed
    … which was the purpose of creating a recession….

  352. Guano: You’re capable of better and higher things than this bovine scatalogical fixation. Don’t let the arthropods get you down.

    I’ve love to hear your take on the second Engdahl piece, “Dagestan, Syria etc” linked above @8:57am.

  353. [automatic censor recognition] t….’s being?

  354. [automatic censor recognition] ( O/T ) H’s Topic being: where can I mate and lay my eggs on CM’s blog while censor not looking.

  355. First it was a virtual attraction of Mary that turned into vicious stalking, then the ‘too posh to talk proper’ came for John Goss who’s been frequenting this blog far longer than socket, soon it will be that German immigrant who gets to feel his jackboot.
    where will this all end?

    Thanks for the good news on Sasha Billy, he received as much violence as he was prepared to use on others.

  356. Meanwhile, Argentina, despite voting against Russia at UNSC on the Crimea issue, is back again all mates with Russia:

    “Russia’s Vladimir Putin has called President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and praised Argentina’s position against the “double standard” of world powers in the resolution of conflicts.”

    “The statement by the Foreign Ministry finally says leaders Putin and Kirchner discussed a joint agenda they had addressed at the G20 summit in St. Petersburg last year, involving key issues such as “energy, military, trade, strategic development and joint activities in the Antarctica”.”

    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/155360/putin-calls-cfk-praises-argentinas-double-standard-concerns

    They’re even talking about setting up Russian military bases:

    http://guardianlv.com/2014/03/argentina-to-host-russian-military-bases-while-america-sleeps/

  357. Some video has emerged of the killing.

    Now they’ve got female police on the scene with clipboards and stuff, all very official and western looking, and they’re fiddling around at the bullet entry point trying to save his life or retrieve the evidence or something.

    WARNING: Not that grisly:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d79_1395749112

  358. Tony M

    Thanks for rescuing me from that small, fascinating world, back into the real one.

    The problem is not with Sufism, of the traditional or Fethullah political variety. The problem is when Egyptian Zionist Arab Nationalism uses the cultural blind obedience to the Ulema of Pakistan/Afghanistan to tell the ordinary Muslims to accept violence without questioning its validity. It’s not a matter that obedience is wrong, when it is to the right thing, but when it is invoked for the wrong thing, as in Syria, without discrimination, serving the cult of Zionism.

    Saudi Arabia seems to have been deceived into rejecting Deobandi Islam as being Sufi, when in fact it is passionately jihadist, and promoting Al Qaida as being political, when it is in fact nihilistic, brain-switched-off violence. Maybe they were deceived by the Arabic of the promoters of political Islam/ Muslim Brotherhood into thinking that they thought the same about Islam as the scholars of Saudi Arabia think about Islam.

    Turkish Islam is a kind of piracy, the buccaneer spirit that gathers the spoils of war under the licence of superpowers but outlawed and independent at the same time. Fethullah is slave of UKUSIS. for all the corruption I prefer real politicians like Erdogan any time.

  359. Mary 25 Mar, 2014 – 5:23 pm

    Signed and shared Mary, thanks.

  360. Nevermind: The beatings will continue until morale improves.

  361. Herbie, 25 Mar, 2014 – 5:57 pm

    Who knows, Argentine might be considering joining BRICS. If so it only needs Canada and Barbados to join and they’ll have to change the name BRIC-A-BRACS perhaps?

  362. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    25 Mar, 2014 - 7:16 pm

    “More on Fair Pay Fortnight at http://fairpayfortnight.org/
    ________________________

    Since I agree with the concrete measures proposed in the text of the petition (eg higher minimum wage, more employers to pay the living wage, etc)I am happy to add my signature as well and thank Mary for having brought the petition to my notice.

  363. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    25 Mar, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    Nevermind

    and never fear – it’s not a jackboot but a rather stylish Italian mocassin of the finest leather nature can provide.

    I wouldn’t sully it with contact with your backside. :)

  364. “Yats’ is still pushing the IMF. Notable list of players.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/regime-change-in-ukraine-and-the-imfs-bitter-economic-medicine/5374877

    “In the days following the Ukraine coup d’Etat of February 23, leading to the ousting of a duly elected president, Wall Street and the IMF–in liaison with the US Treasury and the European Commission in Brussels– had already set the stage for the outright takeover of Ukraine’s monetary system. The EuroMaidan protests leading up to “regime change” and the formation of an interim government were followed by purges within key ministries and government bodies.

    The Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) Ihor Sorkin was fired on February 25th and replaced by a new governor: Stepan Kubiv.[right]

    Stepan Kubiv is a member of Parliament of the Rightist Batkivshchyna “Fatherland” faction in the Rada led by the acting Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk (founded by Yulia Tymoshenko in March 1999). He previously headed Kredbank, a Ukrainian financial institution largely owned by EU capital, with some 130 branches throughout Ukraine. Ukraine Central Bank Promises Liquidity To Local Banks, With One Condition, Zero Hedge, February 27, 2014).

  365. Dignity Marches in Spain. Japan and Poland fell into the IMF money-trap. Only ‘Yats’ and Co see austerity as the only path.

    http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/23/trouble-flares-as-spain-s-dignity-marches-bring-thousands-to-madrid/

  366. http://thebricspost.com/brics-at-hague-slam-attempts-to-isolate-putin/#.UzHmVSgcWFJ

    “BRICS have slammed recent reports ahead of the G20 meet to isolate Russian President Vladimir Putin or to place any restrictions on his participation at the G-20 summit in Australia later this year.
    “The Ministers noted with concern, the recent media statement on the forthcoming G20 Summit to be held in Brisbane in November 2014. The custodianship of the G20 belongs to all Member States equally and no one Member State can unilaterally determine its nature and character,” said a joint BRICS statement on Monday. Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop had said earlier that Putin could be barred from attending the G20 Summit in November.

    BRICS Foreign Ministers met on the sidelines of the Nuclear Security Summit in the Hague on Monday to review cooperation among the bloc of five after the adoption of the eThekwini Action Plan of 2013.”

  367. Obama speaks from the Hague.

    “”So my response then continues to be what I believe today, which is: Russia’s actions are a problem. They don’t pose the number one national security threat to the United States. I continue to be much more concerned when it comes to our security with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan,” said Obama.”

  368. http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/weak-sister/

    ” Why is it in our interest which way Ukraine tilts? It has been in the Russian orbit for hundreds of years under one administration or another. Are we disappointed now that Kiev won’t answer to the floundering Eurocrats of Brussels? Was that ever a realistic expectation? Really, the best outcome for western Europe would be a return to the prior condition of Ukraine as a mute bearskin rug with oil and gas pipelines running through it to the oil and gas starved West. The idea that the US could supply Europe with oil and gas instead of Russia is a preposterous fantasy. Anybody wondering whether Ukraine might turn its armed forces loose on Russian forces supposedly massing at its border should ask themselves how Ukrainian soldiers will get paid.

    I’m sure Russia can’t afford to annex all of Ukraine. Russia can barely maintain its paved roads. But it obviously couldn’t afford to give up its rented warm water ports and naval bases in the Crimea, either, with the new Kiev government making so much anti-Russian noise since the “revolution.” The annexation of Crimea changes nothing materially about the disposition of Russian military force in the region. They were already there. Given the size of their navy compared to the other nations in the neighborhood, the Black Sea is Russia’s bathtub and has been as long as anyone can remember. Was the brass at the US State Department shocked to discover this two weeks ago?”

  369. Resident Dissident

    25 Mar, 2014 - 10:26 pm

    @ John Goss

    “But that’s where you’re wrong. I never particularly targeted you and I can only assume, as I assumed yesterday, that guild had a part in this assumption. If I did particularly target you as being a blackshirt show me where and I will see if an apology is in order.”

    Shameful.

  370. Ben (25 Mar, 2014 – 8:54 pm)

    Kunstler had been a prime cheerleader for Obama, years before Obama had ever been heard of outside Democratic party machine circles. How he must lament the fall of his idol.

    The natural prime resources of Ukraine and the industrial heartland are largely in the predominantly ethnic-Russian east and south which are also the most populous. I wouldn’t trust these neo-nazi clowns the US has baited and switched for the Ukranian’s legitimate anti-oligarch movement, with the stewardship of the volatile Chernobyl reactor ruins. It seems a trite analysis but everyone’s, ours, the Russians and the Ukrainian peoples best interests would be served by Russian action to secure the country to some line well west of the Chernobyl exclusion zone, due south down to the Romanian border, leaving an economic basket-case strip bordering Belarus, Poland, Slovakia and Hungary to the anti-Russian zealots who can fester there to their heart’s content and prostitute themselves to the IMF, NATO, EU and US, until they get fed up playing soldiers and turn inwards on themselves, Lord of the Flies style and do peaceful peoples around the world a good turn by their self-eradication. At which point Ukraine can clean up, arrest the remaining miscreant ringleaders and the world can return to the status quo ante Yeltsin/Papa Bush.

    Until the EU looks and is something Russia – under Putin or some some equally competent non-stooge popularly chosen leader the Russian people endorse – would willingly, happily wish to join, not the centrist all-controlling monolith it has moved steadily towards, but the free friendly association and trading community of European peoples, we were once sold, we’re doomed to suffer repeats of this hair-raising unpleasantness.

    One happy day the United States could be permitted even to rejoin the international community, after a period of isolation and containment, sustained, until its people can own what horrors they’ve allowed in their name, and rise peacefully, united and radically reform themselves and institute some functional form of democracy there at last.

  371. Sofia Kibo Noh

    25 Mar, 2014 - 10:48 pm

    Re Yulia Tymoshenko’s aspirations…

    “Listening to the tone of her voice (these Ukrainian nationalists are speaking together in pretty good Russian, by the way; they are both urbane and Ukrainian is a village dialect) I almost feel sorry for her. Except that she is talking about murdering people like me (my father was born in Kiev, so I have the right to a Ukrainian citizenship). Ahem, President Putin, do you have a moment?”

    From, http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/ukrainians-on-verge-of-nervous-breakdown.html

  372. Sofia Kibo Noh

    25 Mar, 2014 - 10:53 pm

    War may be raging here on the blog but back at Den Haag Humor Studio former star Obamah entertained a packed house with a stream of one-liners…

    “It is up to Russia to act responsibly and show itself once again to be willing to abide by international norms… if it fails to do so, there will be some costs.”

    “We [the US] have considerable influence on our neighbors. We generally don’t need to invade them in order to have a strong cooperative relationship with them.”

  373. “The idea that the US could supply Europe with oil and gas instead of Russia is a preposterous fantasy. Anybody wondering whether Ukraine might turn its armed forces loose on Russian forces supposedly massing at its border should ask themselves how Ukrainian soldiers will get paid.”

    Europe recognised the need to reduce it’s dependency on Russian oil and gas imports some years back and they’ve already been reduced from 45% to 30% although some countries are more dependent than others. The problem for Russia is that once the european market has been lost they’ll find it very difficult to win to it back and any deal with China is going to be several years away. Gas and oil account for 65% of Russian exports.

    The question is not what will Ukraine’s armed forces do but what is Putin’s next move going to be. Comparison has been made with events in the late 1930′s so as with Hitler and the Sudetenland will Putin be satisfied with “liberating” just part of Ukraine or will he find an excuse to invade the rest of the country?

  374. GutterTheQuantifier

    25 Mar, 2014 - 11:12 pm

    Newsnight. Paul Flowers. Genuinely decent bloke, stitched up like a kipper.

  375. Habby gushes:

    “it’s not a jackboot but a rather stylish Italian mocassin of the finest leather nature can provide.”

    The irony free zone of gabby habby.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYQG66S-nTE

  376. Sofia Kibo Noh

    26 Mar, 2014 - 12:11 am

    Herbie.

    Thanks. “The Nazis had flaws, but they did look fucking fantastic!”Russel Brand

    Ben.

    Your “entertainment” makes my brain hurt this time of night, but thanks anyway. Interesting stuff!

    Here’s Eva Cassidy “True Colours” to sooth your battered ego. I’d never ever fry your posts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SIX-Qp6v4k

    Goodnight all, и спокойной ночи товарищ Джон. Мы не должны оставить никаких намеков..

  377. “The problem for Russia is that once the european market has been lost they’ll find it very difficult to win to it back and any deal with China is going to be several years away. Gas and oil account for 65% of Russian exports.”

    Thanks for that, Kempe.

    How long will it take for the high dependency European states to wean themselves from Mother Russia’s breast?

    Surely the China deal will be done whilst she’s weaning the West.

    You do realise that fracking has a rather short life.

  378. Sofia; Nice sounds…thx.

  379. “The question is not what will Ukraine’s armed forces do but what is Putin’s next move going to be. Comparison has been made with events in the late 1930′s so as with Hitler and the Sudetenland will Putin be satisfied with “liberating” just part of Ukraine or will he find an excuse to invade the rest of the country?”

    I think there is a parallel with Germany. At the end of WWI Germany had no option but to accept the demands of the victors. In the 1930s when they had recovered they began to set right what they saw as the wrongs done at Versailles. Re-unite the German speaking peoples.

    At the end of the cold war with the break up of the Soviet Union Russia wasn’t in much of a bargaining position. Since around 2006 they have been in a better position and working towards something called Russian Revisionism. They aren’t planning on world domination like America is but I think they would like to just tweak the map of Europe a little.

    Had Germany not been ruled by extremist supremacists who ignored the rights of minorities I think their invasion of Poland might have been overlooked, they were only interested in the Germanic bits anyway, they had no desire to annex any Slavs.

    I think Russia may have their eye on a bit more of Ukraine yet, but not all of it, not by any means and I think they are prepared to wait, unless they are pushed.

  380. The Killing of NSA – High Level Corporate Hacking – Proof [Redacted]

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/03/20/hunt-sys-admins/

  381. @Tony

    Thanks for the history lesson. I didn’t realise that Churchill had been marginalised at the Yalta meetings, but could explain how he felt it necessary to make his “Iron Curtain” speech… or was that after the war had finished and Truman had become the leader of the free world (!)

    Truman took over at a rather delicate time, it seems. Through Hiroshima and Nagasaki he has to go down as alongside Stalin, Nixon, Pol Pot and Hitler as one of the most bloodthirsty men of the 20th century. Thank goodness no Brits. Hey, wait a minute… Blair may just have sneaked us into the rankings through the 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia. It is said that we get the leaders we deserve…

  382. Cheers, Mark.

    Who amongst us can weave a tapestry from all these threads?

  383. One more question, Tony…

    In the post-war carve up how did Bulgaria manage to stay relatively independent?

  384. ” It is said that we get the leaders we deserve…”

    Democracy favours the psychopath and the psychopath, unable to feel love, thirsts after power.

  385. @Fred

    It seems that International Law isn’t up to the job of “succession”. To my way of thinking it should be about letting a group of people in a region who fundamentally disagree with their government go independent. c.f. Crimea, Venice, Kosovo, Catalonia, Chechnia, Taiwan(?), Tibet, etc. This may not be palatable to leaders of states “containing” them but to me this is democracy (Letting the people decide) in action. It happened in the early 20th century to create the “free state” of Ireland.

    The argument against successionism is that bigger states are more easily (and economically) governed… but is that more important than democracy?

  386. @Fred2: “Democracy” may favour the psychopath, but Democracy as defined by Jefferson, etc. would soon find then out!

  387. them

  388. “It seems that International Law isn’t up to the job of “succession”. To my way of thinking it should be about letting a group of people in a region who fundamentally disagree with their government go independent. c.f. Crimea, Venice, Kosovo, Catalonia, Chechnia, Taiwan(?), Tibet, etc. This may not be palatable to leaders of states “containing” them but to me this is democracy (Letting the people decide) in action. It happened in the early 20th century to create the “free state” of Ireland.”

    What makes Ireland any more free than anybody else? A Catholic theocracy complete with institutionalised paedophilia? A civil war that just won’t go away? If people just put half the effort into getting on with each other as they put into hating each other the world would be a far better place.

  389. ““Democracy” may favour the psychopath, but Democracy as defined by Jefferson, etc. would soon find then out!”

    No, it wouldn’t.

    Don’t get me wrong, all other forms of government favour the psychopath too, some more.

  390. I always put the word free in inverted commas. Freedom can only come as a result of accepting responsibility for one’s actions. We’re all far too screwed up to do that. But it’s something to strive for :)

  391. John,

    As a global citizen, I note this:-

    “Ben, your comment about Russia Today being biased is undoubtedly true. All media studios and offices have editorial bias and I am open to contradictions from what people consider to be more reliable sources. But like you, in the long-term it has been Russia Today that has had the more credible news.”

    I believe:-

    A. All media, as you correctly point out, have an editorial bias -or – biases as the case may be.
    B. People globally are looking for reliable sources.
    C. And now I diverge. RT – has an agenda of exposing and challenging the failings of Western democracies. That has been done in the style – and to a high degree of journalistic competence – just like Press TV. So then – what was the BBC always about until these new ( sorry – “news” boys) on the block came along?

    That is the question.

    Kind regards.
    Courtenay

  392. Peacewisher: My post was rattled off as a quick gonzo summation from memory, Habbabduk has provided a clarification in respect to Greece. Looking at Churchill’s war history final volume, the famous ‘blue pencil’ incident, at a meeting between Churchill and Stalin with observers from other allied nations at times, in Moscow in October 1944, it gives the ‘percentages’ proposed by Churchill and cursorily acceded to by Stalin, as follows.

    Roumania: Russia 90%, Others 10%
    Greece: Britain with US 90%, Russia 10%
    Yugoslavia: 50-50%
    Hungary: 50-50%
    Bulgaria: 75%, Others 25%

    It all seems so woolly, there was no way a quantitative approach to something so nebulous as ‘interests’ or ‘spheres of influence’ which they all protested they each eschewed, could be workable, but it seems there was little or no later re-visiting of this ad-hoc agreement, though it was only for wartime expedience, and was a bit of grubby dealing thought never intended to be relevant or binding, even meaningful, after the end of the European war, though in those Balkan regions the war as such by then was over, but not the fighting or settling of scores. Churchill was ashamed of this dealing and asked, probably wishing Stalin would agree, that the paper should be burned, Stalin imploring Churchill keep it instead for posterity’s shame.

    There doesn’t seem anything particular about Bulgaria that might have resulted in any greater or special degree of independence you suggest it had. Simple indifference is improbable and does not account for it.

    I’ve no real interest in this, not nearly enough to pursue the matter further. As I’m now a CM blog outcast rebel for unspecified thought crimes, I’ll have to leave it there and leave here; I do have a recording of Churchill’s Iron Curtain speech amongst probably every other recorded speech he ever made which has survived, but not immediately to hand, I think the war was over by the time it was made and Churchill out of office.

    “The dirtiest mind in the world is the mind of a censor”

    Out.

  393. Churchill’s “Iron Curtain” speech was made in March 1946 although the expression may have been in use before then.

  394. “At the end of WWI Germany had no option but to accept the demands of the victors. In the 1930s when they had recovered they began to set right what they saw as the wrongs done at Versailles. Re-unite the German speaking peoples.”

    Austria was never part of Germany neither were Czechoslovakia or Poland.

  395. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 6:54 am

    Peacewisher

    “One more question, Tony…

    In the post-war carve up how did Bulgaria manage to stay relatively independent?”
    ___________________

    It didn’t.

  396. Kempe,

    As custodians we are all responsible for our actions where ever we are.
    Land is not our god given right and the best we could hope for is to live in some sort of harmony with nature.

    Lands cannot be claimed historically only by force or by fury.

  397. Sofia Kibo Noh

    26 Mar, 2014 - 7:52 am

    Re Muzychko killing. Is it plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…all over again?

    “Adolf Hitler moved against the SA and its leader, Ernst Röhm, because he saw the independence of the SA and the penchant of its members for street violence as a direct threat to his newly gained political power. Hitler also wanted to conciliate leaders of the Reichswehr, the official German military who feared and despised the SA — in particular Röhm’s ambition to absorb the Reichswehr into the SA under Röhm’s leadership.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

  398. Sofia Kibo Noh

    26 Mar, 2014 - 7:55 am

    I have a feeling Yats has some difficulty bringing the Ukrainian military on board. Can anyone shed some light on their response to the Kiev junta?

  399. A lot of rather risqué jokes this morning on the Paltrow/Martin ‘conscious uncoupling’.

  400. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 8:32 am

    Buggerlugs mumbles, in his private language, into his Buckfast: :

    “With pleasure, BubbleZubble. I welcome (Cameron’s commitment to clamp down on tax evasion) and very much hope that it is translated into concrete, effective action as soon as possible.”

    LOL. Effective for whom? The only concrete that’s going to get translated into is the shell of a PFI hosp[ital which will cost the taxpayer three times more than it would have done under an autonomous NHS, and the profits from which will scoot offshore with the agility of Osborne stepping round a Big Issue seller. Notwithstanding, the justification for using PFI will continue to be the tax it will generate on its profits.

    Get real, shill.

  401. Muzychko – what a thug and a bully. There was film on RT last night of him hitting a young male civil servant round the head. Also raising his right arm in a salute.

  402. “In the 1930s when they had recovered they began to set right what they saw as the wrongs done at Versailles. Re-unite the German speaking peoples.”

    It was the NSDAP who made out that Versailles was the bain for all of Germany, that it stifled its re development. AH used this to his advantage, lamenting how downtrodden and aweful the agreement was for Germany. It was not the communists or social democrats that demanded that they set right what Versailles denied Germany, they were beaten into shutting up.

    What strikes me as rather odd, indeed very odd is that Germany’s first world war war graves are abondoned and neglected TODAY, that it was erased from memory after WW2, with the allies de- nazification program as well as utter silence from the elders who felt humiliated, first by Versailles, then by Hitler himself and thirdly by the allies telling them that they have been ‘bad Germans’ for decades.

    Germans have realised that if they are not interested in politics and leave these rogues to malinger and gather public support, this might all happen again. Political apathy breeds fascists and they inturn will make sure that the establishment and industry is on their side. Ring any bells?

  403. Ukrainian court bans Russian TV broadcast
    March 26, 2014
    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-court-bans-russian-tv-245/

    So similar to the West’s treatment of Press TV.

  404. Another sneaky flogging off of state assets to a favoured few. I don’t suppose any of us were offered Lloyds Bank shares, even if we wanted them. Osborne has procured £4.2bn. All done on the old boys’ network over lavish lunches no doubt. We don’t even get to know who bought them so open is our ‘society’.

    Lloyds stake sale raises £4.2bn
    The government says it has raised £4.2bn through the sale of a 7.8% stake in Lloyds Banking Group.

    Treasury to sell more Lloyds shares
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/

  405. “By force or by fury” .

    It’s what is done when land take. growth and revitalisation?

    Nevemind,
    http://ia600304.us.archive.org/16/items/UnderTwoFlagsByHeinzWeichardt/UnderTwoFlags-HeinzWeichardt.pdf

  406. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 8:50 am

    Cameron in 2012:

    ‘With the large companies, that have the fancy corporate lawyers and the rest of it, I think we need a tougher approach.

    ‘One of the things that we are going to be looking at this year is whether there should be a general anti-avoidance power that HMRC can use, particularly with very wealthy individuals and with the bigger companies, to make sure they pay their fair share.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133064/David-Camerons-family-fortune-tax-dodging-offshore-investment-funds.htm

    Cameron (Osborne) in 2014:

    http://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/news-and-analysis/politics/budget-2014-hmrc-gets-greater-powers-to-fight-tax-avoidance/2008140.article

    I can only wish him good luck with that, given an anonymous offshore account hiding behind a screen of shell co’s. Which is where the big money is. Or an account belonging to a major party donor. Or, indeed, an FSU oligarch. And watch the small debtors moving their stashes out of ISAs and into Liechtenstein….

  407. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 9:02 am

    Lloyds sell-off (@ Mary):

    “The stake was being placed with institutional investors, in line with advice from UK Financial Investments, which holds the stake on behalf of the government, that the latest sale be restricted to City investors. Chancellor George Osborne has outlined plans to allow small investors to buy up some of the shares, but City rules mean any sell-off to retail investors cannot take place for at least 90 days.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/25/george-osborne-government-sale-stake-lloyds-bank-private

    Funny how council house right-to-buy was a triumph of democratic capitalism, but bank share right-to-buy hasn’t even been considered….

  408. Thanks for that Jay, there are many history revisionists at work, they work non stop and have their work cut out by the psychopath that come to power. And they are active in any country today, Britain not excluded.

    I feel sorry for all those young lives lost wihtout rememberance, just because Germany lost and was humiliated by versailles does not mean these young men don’t deserve recognition for their sacrifice.

  409. Istanbul, Turkey, March 25, 2014, “If they (Israeli officials) are not free to travel, if they can’t go to their kid’s graduations outside Israel, if they worry constantly about being arrested when they go to the UK or Spain or Argentina, then we have won half the victory,” stated the lawyer from Spain, Gonzalo Boye, at the one-day legal conference in Istanbul, Turkey sponsored by IHH.

    His comments were made as attorneys from France, Turkey, Spain, South Africa and the UK discussed the ramifications of Israel’s attack on Freedom Flotilla I. The reports ranged from the status of criminal proceedings against the Israeli commandos as well as military and political leaders who attacked six civilian boats in international waters. There were also status reports on the Cormoros referral to the International Criminal Court (ICC).

    “Even if the perpetrators of these crimes such as willful murder, torture, large scale appropriation of boats, money and personal possessions are not in Turkey, they can still be tried,” added Turkish attorney, Yassin Samli, as he spoke about the Turkish court issuing arrest warrants for Israeli defendants.

    Dimitris Plionis, one of the organizers of the Greek ship to Gaza, remarked at the end of the seven-hour session, “It took two years for the first two boats to sail to Gaza and anther two years before the flotilla went. We made history on those voyages. Now, it’s time for the legal voyage to make history and hold Israel accountable for its actions.”

    Universal jurisdiction allows states to claim criminal jurisdiction over an accused person regardless of where the alleged crime was committed, and regardless of the accused’s nationality, country of residence, or any other relation with the prosecuting entity. Crimes prosecuted under universal jurisdiction are considered crimes against all, too serious to be limited to domestic jurisdiction.

    If any court finds the Israeli defendants guilty, an arrest warrant can be issued and names turned over to Interpol.

    It’s now time to hold the Israeli military and government leaders liable. They will have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their careers. It may not be complete justice for the nine murdered passengers and the 150 wounded on that bright May morning, but, as the lawyer from Spain said, “We intend to complicate their lives.”

    Greta Berlin, Co-Founder, the Free Gaza movement
    Editor, Freedom Sailors
    http://www.freedomsailors.com

  410. The amalgamation of France’ national front by the UMP conservatives, their ‘coordination’ with the national front in two seats is a worrying development, all over Europe the fascists are gaining with simple slogans and beer drinking gags.

    http://www.dw.de/french-municipal-elections-socialists-struggle-conservatives-and-far-right-make-gains/a-17515720

    Here we see the Conservatives writing desperate letters to their supporters because they are s..tscared about UKIP’s support, so many of their supporters feel cheesed off, not listened to that this EU election might become a rout.

  411. You are correct there Nevermind. The Torygraph have Germany down as the aggressor here. It takes two to tango they should remember.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-one/10677769/Germany-attacked-for-scandalous-First-World-War-anniversary-spending.html

    Rhetorical question. Why are Agent Cameron and Monsewer Hollande spending £53m?
    I want none of it and no reminder of the bloody carnage.

    My hero was Harry Patch. They even militiarised his funeral against his wishes.

    The wonderful Heathcote Williams.
    When Tony Blair met Harry Patch
    18 August 2013 Video
    On 6 June 2006, Tony Blair posed with Harry Patch, no doubt seeing a flattering photo opportunity with the longest surviving soldier from World War 1. “War is organised murder,” Harry told Blair, who only three years earlier had taken Britain into the illegal Iraq war. Blair scuttled away.
    http://noglory.org/index.php/when-tony-blair-met-harry-patch#.UzKdQ2ZFD4Y

  412. As quoted by Sofia from cluborlov:

    “Ukrainian is a village dialect”

    How is that not racist?

  413. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 10:17 am

    “I feel sorry for all those young lives lost wihtout rememberance, just because Germany lost and was humiliated by versailles does not mean these young men don’t deserve recognition for their sacrifice.”

    Absolutely. It’s bizarre that the world has compulsory holocaust remembrance and yet Germany cannot remember its own, comparable, losses in the same way. And for the same reasons – to discourage its repetition. Most of the dead had absolutely no choice and very little understanding of why it was happening, and both sides were whipped up by the usual scoundrels whose last refuge is patriotism.

    Who are still with us.

  414. “It was the NSDAP who made out that Versailles was the bain for all of Germany, that it stifled its re development. AH used this to his advantage, lamenting how downtrodden and aweful the agreement was for Germany.”

    Well yes there could be a lot of that in it. Extremists seeking power will always find some alleged grievances to rally the people behind them whether it’s “The Rhineland is ours and they stole it” or “The oil fields are ours and they stole them”.

    Many have argued that Versailles was more than generous to Germany.

  415. Sofia and cluborlov must have been purchasing too many meerkats, the Ukrainian language was crafted in medieval times and it contains aspects of many other languages, which is normal.

    ‘shut de doer’ in plat deutsch means ‘shut the door’, just an example on how interelations and intonation of words have travelled with trade. I would not be surprised to find Swedish words in the Ukrainian language, after all it was the Vikings who sailed down the Dnjeper trading with the Slavs and Rus.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language

    “As the result of close Slavic contacts with the remnants of Scythian and Sarmatian population north of the Black Sea, lasting into the early Middle Ages, is explained the appearance of voiced fricative γ(h) in modern Ukrainian and some southern Russian dialects, that initially emerged in Scythian and the related eastern Iranian dialects from earlier common Proto-Indo-European g* and gh*.[15][16][17]

    Ukrainian traces its roots through the mid-14th century Ruthenian language, a chancellery language of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, back to the early written evidences of 10th century Rus’. Until the end of the 18th century, the written language used in Ukraine was quite different from the spoken, which is one of the key difficulties in tracing the origin of the Ukrainian language more precisely. There is little direct data on the origin of the Ukrainian language. Scholars rely on indirect methods: analysis of typical mistakes in old manuscripts, comparison of linguistic data with historical, anthropological, archaeological ones, etc. Several theories of the origin of Ukrainian language exist.[citation needed]

    During the 13th century, when German settlers were invited to Ukraine by the princes of Galicia-Vollhynia, German words began to appear in the language spoken in Ukraine. Their influence would continue under Poland not only through German colonists but also through the Yiddish-speaking Jews. Often such words involve trade or handicrafts. Examples of words of German or Yiddish origin spoken in Ukraine include dakh (roof), rura (pipe), rynok (market), kushnir (furrier), and majster (master or craftsman).[18]“

  416. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 10:27 am

    “Ukrainian is a village dialect”

    How is that not racist?

    As it is by a Slav, about Slavs, not at all. Though it’s arguably untrue: Ukrainian is more than a dialect of Russian.

    I am intentionally missing your point, though, which is to denigrate a commentator by association with a remark peripheral to the actual discussion, made by someone else. Rather than having anything whatever useful to say about Ukrainian nationalism. Which, applying your criteria, is racist…

  417. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 10:29 am

    Beat me to it, Nevermind. But “‘shut de doer’ in plat deutsch means ‘put wood i’ th’ oyl’ in Old Lancashire. :-)

  418. Habba with news release yesterday on the possibility of Fluoridation of our water supplies, with your current interest in the vaccination programs how do you fell about this news.
    http://fluoridealert.org/articles/fluoride-facts/

    The article does indeed suggest that through experience and trials that this practice would not achieve the intended outcome of protection against tooth decay.

    I remember a decade or so ago a news release that tooth bacteria could be rendered harmless through a scientific process. I kind of sterilisation of the aggressive nature of bacterial.
    A genetic modification. I have not heard of this since, health and well being are paramount and our right to choose as well. More Dental care could be instigated without much doing, have we the capacity to teach and train dentist and open up more practices.

    Know any crocodiles?

  419. captcha problems??? is seven plus seven not 14 anymore???

    I leave it to others to judge whether the reparations were too lenient, I heard that it was only in 2010 that Germany managed to pay off the WW1 debts, Fred, it lingered.

    http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2023140,00.html

    Historians will always differ slightly depending on what their interest are tied to, patriotism demands etc. At a time when a country is down and defeated such treaties can grind somewhat, but you have to be in such position to be able to judge it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles

    “The treaty forced Germany to disarm, make substantial territorial concessions, and pay reparations to certain countries that had formed the Entente powers. In 1921 the total cost of these reparations was assessed at 132 billion Marks (then $31.4 billion or £6.6 billion, roughly equivalent to US $442 billion or UK £284 billion in 2014). At the time economists, notably John Maynard Keynes predicted that the treaty was too harsh—a “Carthaginian peace”, and said the figure was excessive and counter-productive. The historian Sally Marks judged the reparation figure to be lenient, a sum that was designed to look imposing but was in fact not, that had little impact on the German economy and analysed the treaty as a whole to be quite restrained and not as harsh as it could have been.”

  420. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:07 am

    On topic. Wow.

    No unpleasantness intended, Craig, but, knowing your view on independence, do you really want to be associated with Galloway?

    http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/local-headlines/galloway-delivers-a-big-naw-at-glenrothes-event-1-3353018

  421. “As it is by a Slav, about Slavs, not at all.”

    So Slavs cannot be racist about other Slavs?

  422. Wow, what a shot in the foot, Ba’al Zevul, and well in advance of the referendum… Will this leave Galloway having to prove he’s from Scotland?

    and what of this vanity, what a posey picture, fit for an actor….

  423. “What strikes me as rather odd, indeed very odd is that Germany’s first world war war graves are abondoned and neglected TODAY, ”

    Not my experience at all. Germany has it’s own war graves commission which cares for these places although I understand they are rarely visited. The largest is at Neuville St Vaast, near Arras. I went there a few years ago as part of a tour of the Somme and Ypres.

    http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo-gallery-german-war-diaries-recall-horror-of-wwi-fotostrecke-61176-3.html

    Each cross marks four graves and the headstones you can see here and there mark the graves of Jewish soldiers. I’m told none of these was damaged or desecrated during the occupation of France during WW2.

  424. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:36 am

    So Slavs cannot be racist about other Slavs?

    No. They’re the same race. Geddit? When your Reform rabbi is nasty about the chazar down the road, that’s not racism either….

    The word you’re reaching for is “nationalist”. And trying to smear someone with what someone else has said, legally, in another country, is “cretinous”.

  425. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:42 am

    “and what of this vanity, what a posey picture, fit for an actor….”

    He seems undecided between Clint Eastwood and Noel Coward, doesn’t he? A bent and filthy cigarillo in an embossed ivory cigarette holder is all the picture needs. I can guarantee he has a chair marked ‘Director’ and a clapperboard within easy reach.

  426. Thanks Kempe, but you are being picky by showing us the largest, best kept and winner in all categories… its not a big draw for those now very elderly Germans who were humiliated to believe under the following regime that their children died a shameful death and that Elsass was more important than the versailles treaty per se.

    As for todays generation and those of voting age, they are living in the here and now, not in the past, they are not regularly choked, at least once/week, with never ending articles about the second great unpleasantness, so they care more about bilateral and German politics today, and that the same ugly issues are flogged to death, literally, once again, by wolfs in sheepskin.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/11/14/nsu-n14.html

    and a flurry of different articles on the NPD and murderous NSU from der Spiegel
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/right_wing_extremism/

    Being involved means that beer swilling characters such as Nigel would find it a tad harder going to persuade anybody else but the ultra conservatives, he would get a rough ride.

  427. A Node’s point (24 March at 3.57 pm) about the media bias against the Yes campaign and the BBC’s attempts to discredit the authors of the report needs to be put in context. The BBC displays a far stronger bias against radical political and social voices on many other subjects, so for the bias in favour of the No campaign to be only 3:2 is far less marked than I would have expected, especially when both Coalition parties and the official opposition at Westminster are also in the No camp. Given that the report sets out evidence of BBC bias, it’s hardly surprising – even if regrettable – that the BBC puts some effort into discrediting the authors. What really matters would be evidence of the BBC using deliberate untruths to do so.

  428. I agree with your analysis, Ian, I would have expected some more flak by now, but then its a fine line to steer, one would not want to disaffected all those undecided, not to rake too much ill feeling, they realised what happened after Camerons last jibe.
    My guess is that they are working up to it, slowly, touchy feely, and in the final two weeks this will turn into a crescendo of pro union articles and scenarios.
    First they will have the hard task to ignore the EU elections as much as possible, one would not want to disturb the public with elections, after all its only the party faithful that should have a say… feeling sick whilst writing this….

    Disband… break up and reform, with all skeletons unearthed, onwards forwards into the 21st century, ripped from its Macheavellian circles it should flourish, and why not?

  429. @Iain Orr

    I looked at the research a while back and decided it was totally unscientific and I’m not surprised those who conducted it are refusing to release the raw data.

    If the BBC interviewed Alex Salmond and he said Scotland would have monetary union, then they interviewed the Governor of the Bank of England, the Chancellor and the Shadow Chancellor and they all said they wouldn’t, that would be seen as bias by 3 to 1.

    There was criticism of George Galloway earlier, I can’t comment on what he said I don’t know what he said but the article indicated he was talking about the issues not screaming “unfair”, “bias”, scaremongering” at the opposition. Someone seemed to think he should be ostracised and branded the enemy for this and his other views on the Middle East and the Iraq War loyal flag waving Nationalists should distance themselves from.

  430. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:14 pm

    “Someone seemed to think he should be ostracised and branded the enemy for this and his other views on the Middle East and the Iraq War loyal flag waving Nationalists should distance themselves from.”

    Not me. I pointed out that he was, with the obnoxious Brian Wilson, promoting the No campaign. I guess loyal, sash-wearing Unionists will want to ally themselves with him*…maybe that’s naif of me?

    Heh.

    *He’s a left-footer…you want to stir it, fine.

  431. No. They’re the same race. Geddit?

    Well that may have been the view of Nazis – but per Wikipedia

    “Modern nations and ethnic groups called by the ethnonym Slavs are considerably diverse both genetically and culturally, and relations between them – even within the individual ethnic groups themselves – are varied, ranging from a sense of connection to mutual feelings of hostility”

    Now of course Cluborlov – who you right is an extreme nationalist – may have the view that Ukrainians are some kind of inferior people over which Putin and his clique are entitled to exercise authority – but rather than quoting him with approval as a number of people here have (not just Sofia), perhaps they could recognise that extreme nationalism/racism exists on the Russian side of the equation.

    If people want to quote chunks of extreme nationalists/racists then they should learn not to be so defensive when their cut and paste efforts are not subject to attack.

  432. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:15 pm

  433. Regarding George Galloway I think you have to look for common ground, like the scrapping of Trident, rather than condemn him for having an opinion on the Yes/No vote for Scotland’s independence. After all, last year, I would have said the same thing, mostly because I believe in unity rather than division. But when David Cameron got his Tory business colleagues to say they would move shop from Scotland if it became independent, and deliberately cause a loss of Scottish jobs, that was the despicable trick that changed my mind. Go for it Scotland! Set an example that England can follow.

  434. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:21 pm

    “If people want to quote chunks of extreme nationalists/racists then they should learn not to be so defensive when their cut and paste efforts are not (sic – BZ) subject to attack.”

    I’ll add that to the “Young Ladies’ Manual of Etiquette When Contributing One’s Thoughts to the Blog of HE. C. Murray”, shall I? Along with all your mates’ unsourced opinions?

    You were simply having a go at the messenger. I have yet to see you attempt to discuss the message.

  435. Not one paltry signature. Now why is that I wonder?

    INVASION OF IRAQ 2003
    Session: 2013-14
    Date tabled: 20.03.2014
    Primary sponsor: Galloway, George
    Sponsors:
    That this House recalls that it was 11 years ago on 20 March 2003 that the first missiles hit Baghdad, signalling what was dubbed shock and awe, the start of the US-led attack on Iraq in which the UK participated; further recalls that the premise on which the war was launched was that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, based in large part on false dossiers produced by the then Government; notes that there were no weapons of mass destruction as the Iraqi government said at the time and as independent witnesses had verified; believes that this House and the British public were gravely and deliberately misled; mourns the thousands of men, women and children who died as a result of these falsehoods; and concludes that this was the greatest British foreign policy disaster in living memory.

    Total number of signatures: 1

    Galloway, George Respect Bradford West 20.03.2014

  436. A. Because nearly all of them voted for it.

  437. News from DoH, Richmond House, Whitehall. They have a large team in their media and press office numbering 26.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-of-health/about/media-enquiries
    There seems to be no attempt to counter reports like these below or to propose remedial action from Mr Unt. All in today’s Guardian.

    NHS workers’ views are ‘damning indictment of Jeremy Hunt’s record’
    A year after the radical restructure of the service, a Guardian survey finds staff under ever greater pressure

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/26/nhs-workers-damning-indictment-jeremy-hunt

    ~~

    Simon Stevens, the new head of NHS England, has a daunting task ahead
    With staffing problems, low morale, the need to move services out of hospitals, a £30bn funding gap and little room for manoeuvre, the incoming chief executive will need all his skills

    Note he moves seamlessly from the privatised sector, United Health.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/26/simon-stevens-nhs-england-daunting-task

    ~~

    Cuts have left 250,000 older people without state care, report says
    Report warns there is no way of assessing the true impact that social care cuts are having on vulnerable older people

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/26/cuts-vulnerable-older-people-without-state-social-care

  438. Also from today’s Guardian on cuts of a different kind.

    Lawrence family lawyer Imran Khan: ‘We see what the state is capable of’
    Imran Khan has been routinely portrayed as an anti‑establishment troublemaker. Now, in the wake of the Ellison report on police corruption, he explains how it feels to be vindicated
    http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/mar/25/stephen-lawrence-family-lawyer-imran-khan-state-capable-police

    ‘Khan tried politics once, as a candidate for the Socialist Labour Party. He won’t again. “That was a horrible experience,” he says, chuckling. “I am not a politician in a sense of being able to say things to all people.” And yet the impact political decisions have on ordinary lives troubles him greatly. The £215m cuts to the legal aid budget, for example. “I am working twice as hard as I used to, with half or a third of the money I used to get. Not to put too dramatic a point on it, if the Lawrence case landed on my desk today I wouldn’t take it. There are not enough hours to be able to make enough money on legal aid to be able to survive. I did Lawrence on a pro-bono basis.”

    He’s hamstrung now. “It is my biggest regret that I have to have conversations with families and say you deserve better, but I can’t help you. What will happen is that society won’t get the benefit of those cases. You don’t need to have inquiries and spend lots of money if you have lawyers who are challenging courts in individual cases and making law. If we had the bedrock of reliable public funding, we would be able to do a lot more. I can’t imagine there is going to be another Lawrence case for a long time – if ever.”‘

  439. doug scorgie

    26 Mar, 2014 - 2:42 pm

    ESLO
    26 Mar, 2014 – 9:27 am

    As quoted by Sofia from cluborlov:

    “Ukrainian is a village dialect”

    “How is that not racist?”

    ESLO, please explain why you think it IS racist.

  440. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 3:36 pm

    BubbleZubble (08h32)

    What’s your problem, Bubble? You asked a question and I answered it. Disappointed?

  441. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 3:50 pm

    Mary

    “Another sneaky flogging off of state assets to a favoured few. I don’t suppose any of us were offered Lloyds Bank shares, even if we wanted them. Osborne has procured £4.2bn. All done on the old boys’ network over lavish lunches no doubt. We don’t even get to know who bought them so open is our ‘society’.”
    ___________________

    You’re talking nonsense as usual.

    The shares were sold directly to institutional investors and in that way the govt maximised the takings since no commission or fees needed to be paid to handling agents. You should be pleased about that, surely? After all, the money raised by the govt will be ploughed into social security, the NHS, debt reduction and many other good things you surely approve of.

    Secondly, there is nothing unusual about this procedure. For example, it is usual for companies to place a share offering with institutional investors.

    Thirdly, there is nothing to stop you, Mary, asking your stockbroker to buy you some Lloyds Bank shares on the market.

    And lastly, you can find out, at Companies House, who are the shareholders in any publicly quoted company.

    *******************

    You really must learn to think before posting! Knee jerk posts – as you will have seen from your silly, silly post on infant vaccinations – can make you look foolish and get you into hot water.

  442. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 3:57 pm

    Nevermind

    “The amalgamation of France’ national front by the UMP conservatives, their ‘coordination’ with the national front in two seats is a worrying development, all over Europe the fascists are gaining with simple slogans and beer drinking gags.”
    _____________________

    I sympathise with your anguish, but I wouldn’t get my knickers in such a twist if I were you. You mention “two seats”" – are you aware of the total number of seats being contested in France at these elections?

  443. “Thanks Kempe, but you are being picky by showing us the largest, best kept and winner in all categories ”

    Well so far no evidence at all has been presented to support the claim that these cemeteries are being neglected.

  444. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 4:08 pm

    Hey, Jay!

    “Habba with news release yesterday on the possibility of Fluoridation of our water supplies, with your current interest in the vaccination programs how do you fell about this news.”
    ____________________

    Well, it’s not really accurate to call my interest in vaccination programmes “current”, I’ve been interested in them for quite a while. That’s why I found Mary’s call for fewer infant vaccinations interesting as well, I suppose. And I’d still be interested to hear from her exactly which infant vaccinations she’s get rid off, but I guess she’s too busy posting about Palestine/Israel to tell us.

    Anyway, thanks for your interest in what I think about fluoridation. In reply, I regret to have to tell you that I have no views in the matter.

    In return, I’m interested in your bowel movements. Were your stools satisfactory this morning? Is everything OK?

  445. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 4:28 pm

    Nevermind

    “I leave it to others to judge whether the reparations were too lenient, I heard that it was only in 2010 that Germany managed to pay off the WW1 debts, Fred, it lingered.”
    __________________

    You heard wrong, mein Lieber. Germany ceased paying reparations in 1932.

  446. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 4:31 pm

    Mary

    “Ukrainian court bans Russian TV broadcast
    March 26, 2014
    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-court-bans-russian-tv-245/

    So similar to the West’s treatment of Press TV”

    ______________________

    And so similar to Russia switching off Ukrainian TV in the Crimea before the so-called referendum.

  447. “I sympathise with your anguish, but I wouldn’t get my knickers in such a twist if I were you. You mention “two seats”” – are you aware of the total number of seats being contested in France at these elections?”

    In your usual non evidence providing way, you are belittling the murder of immigrants in Germany and the harrassment of the Banlieue’s by the Sourette by saying ‘oh its only in two seats’.

    Well its says a lot about fascism in France and how close it is to the Conservatives aim to get back into power, equally here were UKIP’s simple messages, amplified by a rabid media, is spreading the collective jitters through the Conservative ranks, bad enough to make consessions to these rightwingers.

    you seem to like the European rightwing network of Wilders, Le Pen and Jobbik, why else be so noncholant.

    Fact is that the rising islmophobia in Europe is the common thread running through this network and our BNP, national front and Oooops, Likud are all part and parcel of it.

    what shameful lament to make Habby and we don’t mind you are wearing knickers.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-likud-connection-europe-s-right-wing-populists-find-allies-in-israel-a-777175.html

  448. “You heard wrong, mein Lieber. Germany ceased paying reparations in 1932.”

    See you are at it again, making assumptions without proof, grow up Zwerg.

  449. Show me the masses of Germans visiting them,Kempe, ask around you German friends who last been to visit a WW1 wargrave.
    you seem to think that if everything is in the right place, looks good and had money spent on it, that there is no neglect.

    There is, Germans are neglecting these graves by their absence. Please try and inform yourself.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-germany-wwi-remembrance-idUSBREA2I0FN20140319

  450. Ahh, trying to change the meaning of “neglected” now.

    I did say visitors were few and far between but they are far from being “abandoned and neglected” as you claimed.

  451. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 5:13 pm

    Nevermind

    ““You heard wrong, mein Lieber. Germany ceased paying reparations in 1932.”

    See you are at it again, making assumptions without proof, grow up Zwerg.”
    ________________

    Take a deep breath, Nevermind, and calm down.

    You made a claim (something you “had heard”.)

    I pointed out that what you had heard was wrong, and gave you the correct information.

    You then seem to have got upset.

    Why? Anger management issues?

  452. I also provided a link for you to read socket, now go and feed your chickens.

  453. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    Nevermind

    It’s school time for you again, I fear.

    “In your usual non evidence providing way, you are belittling the murder of immigrants in Germany and the harrassment of the Banlieue’s by the Sourette by saying ‘oh its only in two seats’.”
    ________________

    No, I’m pointing out that the FN and UMP are envisaging an electoral deal in two constituencies – two out of hundreds. And advising you not to draw paranoid inferences from that.
    BTW – I take it you were referring to the Sûreté when you wrote “Sourette”?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Well its says a lot about fascism in France and how close it is to the Conservatives aim to get back into power,..”

    ______________

    Wrong again. It says nothing about fascism or France. It says that in two constituencies (out of hundreds) local UMP members have defied the UMP’s national leadership and have made it known that they will entertain a second-round electoral pact with the Front National.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “you seem to like the European rightwing network of Wilders, Le Pen and Jobbik, why else be so noncholant.”

    _________________________

    I hesitate to use the word “reasoning” in a discussion with you, but what is the reasoning underpinning that accusation?

    ****************************

    La vita é bella, life is good!

  454. Reasoning with you is like teaching a horse to brew coffee, socket, and now you can talk to yourself again.

    What is it with all these pseudo fascists sympathizer here, they just don’t learn their own messages.

  455. “ESLO, please explain why you think it IS racist.”

    Try telling someone from Jamaica that Patois is just a village dialect – but please stand back when you do so.

  456. I made no case for reducing infant vaccinations. It is for a qualified doctor to decide what vaccines a child is given. Vaccines are not like sweeties.

    I pointed out that children develop needle phobias. The t===l has obviously never worked in a hospital or health centre and seen the distress of the child and the mother when a blood sample is needed or a cannula has to be inserted. It is an indisputable fact that BIG PHARMA make large profits from vaccine manufacture. Remember the SARS and the Tamiflu panics. Cui bono?

    GSK’s Cervarix is another vaccine where there is a risk of adverse reactions and where young people are left with the impression that there are no risks to health from sexual activity. There are many of course and genito urinary clinics are now being closed.

    I have made it to safely and healthily to my seventies without a blanket coverage of vaccines. I do not even have the heavily promoted flu vaccine which contains the swine flu component. Ridiculous.

    http://truthaboutgardasil.org/about-2/

    http://www.currentpartnering.com/insight/top-50-pharma/

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/11/vaccination-profiteers-gang-up-on-hannah-bruesewitz-in-supreme-court/

    Just a few links for my irrational pursuer to bone up on. He might learn something and stop using this stick to try to beat me with. Failing incidentally!

  457. A note to an MP ref the lack of any signatures on George Galloway’s EDM which I linked to earlier.

    What a disgrace that no-one has yet signed this EDM.

    It shows how low Parliament has sunk and how out of tune MPs are with the public conscience. It is of course a painful reminder to MPs of their failure to exercise due diligence in the search for truth before committing this country to one of the foulest wars ever.

    It is also a reminder of their reckless disregard for this nation’s reputation, not to mention their responsibility for the consequent slaughter of at least half a million people and the trashing of their heritage.

    And let us not forget that the British Parliament’s monstrous crime came on top of the 600,000 children that died as a result of 13 years of devastating economic sanctions imposed on the Iraqi people before the war began – the sort of brainless spitefulness your ministers indulge in to this day against other countries, other innocent civilians.

    Will no-one stand up, sign up, and admit they were wrong?

  458. MEPs denied access to Gaza

    An official delegation from the European Parliament has been denied access to Gaza by the Israeli authorities.

    The cross-party group of three MEPs (Chris Davies, ALDE/UK – Norbert NEUSER, S&D/D – Nicole Kiil-Nielsen, GREENS/FR) had intended to meet with officials from the UN Relief and Works Agency to discuss the use of EU money on humanitarian projects in the Gaza Strip.

    Israel has severely restricted access to the 1.7 million people of Gaza since 2007 in what has been described as an exercise in collective punishment after supporters of Hamas took control.

    Exports from the territory have virtually ceased since then and economic activity has been strangled.

    UNRWA receives more than €100 million annually from the European Union, much of which is spent on emergency food distribution and the provision of education within Gaza.

    Israel claims that the MEPs from the European Parliament’s delegation on Palestine through the Erez crossing will not be solely concerned with humanitarian matters,

    But the allegation has been strongly refuted by the MEPs, who say that Israel’s closure of the Gaza Strip is in breach of international law.

    They say: “Israel has inflicted an economic catastrophe upon the people of Gaza and the humanitarian consequences are all too well known.

    “Instead of preventing MEPs assessing where European taxpayers’ money is being put to good use the Israeli authorities should be hugely grateful for the EU’s efforts.

    “The Geneva Convention makes clear that Israel is responsible for the well- being of the people under its control and occupation, but the EU is paying bills that are rightly Israel’s responsibility.”

    From the Palestine Ambassador to the UK. He does not say what he’s going to do about it though.

  459. When I read the headline I thought ‘Oh good’. But he’s standing as the next President/Dictator. The poor people. One tyrant after another.

    Egypt military chief Abdul Fattah al-Sisi resigns
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26747101

    I have an Egyptian friend and neighbour. She sees through all of the American interference in her country’s affairs.

  460. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 9:34 pm

    Mary

    I not trying to use what you wrote about vaccinations as a stick to beat you with. I am using it to try and make you understand that your inability to keep your mouth shut and not bad-mouth absolutely everything – even things most people would welcome – makes you appear very silly and gets you into embarrassing positions from which you extricate yourself only slowly and painfully if at all.
    *************

    “Vaccines are not like sweeties.”
    _______________

    Indeed not. I didn’t say they were, but that was actually the implication of YOUR post. As a matter of fact, some vaccinations are a legal requirement and there is no one serious in the medical field or elsewhere who disputes the value of the other ones you mentioned in your original post.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I pointed out that children develop needle phobias. The t===l has obviously never worked in a hospital or health centre and seen the distress of the child and the mother when a blood sample is needed or a cannula has to be inserted.”
    _________________

    They do – and so what? And how many? Some children are afraid of the dark and some people scream when they see a mouse or a spider. And you’re right – I’ve never seen the distress in hospital of a child with needle phobia. But I have seen the consequences of TB, polio and, in later life, of mumps and rubella, and I know which one I’d rather see if I had the choice.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “It is an indisputable fact that BIG PHARMA make large profits from vaccine manufacture.”

    _______________________

    They probably do. Again,, so what? How do you know that those profits don’t in part go to fund the development of new medicines and vaccines?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “GSK’s Cervarix is another vaccine where there is a risk of adverse reactions and where young people are left with the impression that there are no risks to health from sexual activity. There are many of course and genito urinary clinics are now being closed.”
    ________________________

    Yes, there is a risk, as there is with practically all medicines and vaccines. And with all operations for that matter. But again, I think most normal people would accept a possible adverse reaction as a reasonable price to pay for an effective vaccine against cervical cancer. And please don’t try to dirty the argument by claiming that this vaccine is being “sold” as giving immunity from health risks arising from sexual activity – you know perfectly well that this is not the case and that the health professionals who administer the vaccine are not saying that.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I have made it to safely and healthily to my seventies without a blanket coverage of vaccines.”
    __________________

    I congratulate you on that. But perhaps you were lucky – luckier than the children with polio before the Salk/Sabin vaccines finally came along….

    *******************

    Anyway, I propose to leave the matter here. But please do draw breath and THINK a little before posting!

  461. Patronising, hectoring and lecturing as usual. No point at all in responding. A response, even indirect, produces another wash of the stuff.

    His comments on the Andy Myles thread already form 20% of the total submitted.

  462. @Mary

    I suspect the lack of any signatures for the EDM was because it was tabled by George Galloway, but it certainly seems that many MPs fawned and are still fawning about Tony Blair. Sadly, the British public seem to admire a warmongering prime minister, and the incumbent’s popularity is boosted in the polls whenever (s)he talks about the latest media-created threat. Wasn’t there something in “1984″ about being almost perpetually at war…

    The MPs clapped Blair from the rafters when he resigned and made his final speech. Such is the state “representational democracy”, British Edition, in the 21st century. Thank goodness for 38 degrees. Still thinking of voting UKIP (or Green…)

  463. Resident Dissident

    26 Mar, 2014 - 10:55 pm

    I suspect the lack of any signatures for the EDM was because it was tabled by George Galloway

    Got it one

    Thought for the day – anyone noticed how many private communications regarding the Ukraine have been intercepted and made public by Putin’s puppets and received no little comment from the Eminences. Just a guess but if communications intercepted by the NSA and GCHQ rather than the KGB, and they painted Putinistas and terrorists in a similar light then the reaction of the Eminences would have been rather different and morally inconsistent.

    For the avoidance of doubt I am against all blanket surveillance whoever it is performed by.

  464. Craig

    did you catch Sillars debate with Galloway BBC2 Scotland Monday 24th March. I’ve just about lost all the respect I had for him after the Iraq War. There was one good, true man in that debate ……it wasn’t Galloway!

  465. “http://truthaboutgardasil.org/about-2/ ”

    That should really read the half-truth about Gardasil. As usual with anti-vaccine propaganda websites it concentrates on the side effects and shies away from providing the full picture.

    As of March 2013 22,000 people have reported side effects after a Gardasil “jab”. This is out of 57 MILLION doses administered since 2006 or 0.03% and 92% were classed as minor (ie rash or swelling). It may only protect against four types of virus but they are the most common types.

  466. Sofia Kibo Noh

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:26 pm

    Nevermind. 10 23am

    Ouch! Those bloody meercats are more trouble than they’re worth….almost.

    I see where you are coming from and while I believe it’s fair to flag it, I don’t believe it invalidates the point Orlov is making . “…she is talking about murdering people like me.”

    I’ve experienced and observed few of the permutations of national ingrained and unexamined attitudes…English towards Irish, Welsh and Scots, Catholic Irish towards Protestant Irish, and Walloon towards Flemish and vice versa. In this light I can accept your observation re Orlov’s casual reference to the Ukrainian language as a “village dialect” but feel that it is significant in the way that an English person might use phrases like, “throwing a paddy” or “taking the mickey” without necessarily realising their origins in a cultural soup of disparagement towards the Irish.

    Ba’al Zevul pointed out that the “village dialect” remark is peripheral to the actual discussion (thanks B). It is, but it’s a worthy diversion and I’d love to spend a week drifting down the Dnieper with you on our canoe and listening while you fill me in with your perspective and broad knowledge.
    Dad will look after the meercats, but for heaven’s sake don’t tell him before we’ve left.

  467. Sofia Kibo Noh

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:43 pm

    ELSO. 1 15am

    “If people want to quote chunks of extreme nationalists/racists then they should learn not to be so defensive when their cut and paste efforts are not subject to attack.”

    Bless you. You seem to have some kind of psychic powers there, ‘cos I didn’t return till half an hour ago. I’m curious to know how I was being “so defensive” about a post that I was not to read for another eleven hours.

    As for your accusation that Orlov writes extreme nationalists/racist material. Can you point out any of his writing that can be interpreted in this light. Thanks.

  468. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:44 pm

    Kempe

    “http://www.currentpartnering.com/insight/top-50-pharma/

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/11/vaccination-profiteers-gang-up-on-hannah-bruesewitz-in-supreme-court/
    __________

    And the two other links are no better.

    The first gives us the astonishing news that the top 50 pharmaceutical companies “are responsible for a large proportion of the revenues generated by the pharmaceuticals industry”. No, really? Who’d have thought it!

    And the second one isn’t even worth reading. It’s name (“disssidentvoice”) tells you all you need to know about the line it’s taking.

  469. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:46 pm

    Its (the horrible apostrophe disease must be contagious. Is there a vaccination against it? On the NHS, of course)

  470. Sofia Kibo Noh

    27 Mar, 2014 - 8:11 am

    Beyond hypocracy…


    “Once again we are confronted with the belief among some that bigger nations can bully smaller ones to get their way…”

    “…international law matters; and that people and nations can make their own decisions about their future….”

    “Neither the United States, nor Europe, has any interest in controlling Ukraine…”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-us-and-europe-must-stand-against-russia-in-a-clash-of-ideals/

  471. Sofia Kibo Noh

    27 Mar, 2014 - 8:26 am

    “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

    WTF?

  472. “WTF?”

    You wouldn’t believe it if I told you Sofia, which I can’t or it would be sent for moderation.

    Let’s just say there are some words we can’t say any more, such as the type of demolition the WTC was.

  473. Sofia Kibo Noh

    27 Mar, 2014 - 8:52 am

    Fred.

    But I only said “Breathtaking hypocracy”. Obama said the rest, and he’s the leader of the free world and a nobel lauriate.

  474. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 8:59 am

    Loosely linking the topic with some of the foregoing, this from Albania;

    http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/tony-blair-s-albania-adventure-fails-to-take-off

    Notes:
    (1) Blair apparently offered to join with the World Bank in leveraging WB cash getting EU membership for Albania. But “The World Bank does not have a contractual relationship with Tony Blair’s team in any of the of the Global Network countries”

    (2) UN intervention in Kosovo was justified by the existence of a largely Albanian-speaking population there. Russian intervention in Crimea is not justified by the largely Russian-speaking population there.

    ““I am here because I believe in this country, its people and the vision of progress that has been laid down for it,” Blair said.”

    Really.

  475. ‘But I only said “Breathtaking hypocracy”. Obama said the rest, and he’s the leader of the free world and a nobel lauriate.’

    Don’t care who he thinks he is Sofia, he can’t come in here using words like that or he get moderated. He didn’t have the audacity to say what he did in the park this morning did he? Deserves all he gets if he did.

  476. Sorry Sofia. Yet the posts deconstructive of others for no good reason remain. Why for goodness sake?

  477. I notice that Habbabkuk has switched from attacking Doug all the time to attacking Herbie. Pathetic. Chin up Herbie and take no notice.

  478. This from Ukraine’s Sheva, apparently a close neighbour to Ms. Timoshenko, as yet I have not found out why she is posting on the canaries footie forum, or whether she is posting on other footie forums. Gosh they do like their football in the Ukraine.

    To the issue, in her post she talks of one or two ‘lost’ rockets, which, if its true that they are som ewhere ready and equipped, would make the agreement with the west obsolete.
    As Ms. Timoschenko is in germany for medicals, they might as well ask her about it, as such ‘loose missiles’, canons are so passee. So mif the resident snoop please could forward this, much obliged…

    ‘Wasn’t really intending to post any more on here but it might be wise to throw in a few thoughts from the ‘horses mouth’ and correct some of the stuff gleamed from the Internet searches.
    Yulia, who is she:
    OK as a former neighbour, not on speaking terms as such, I can tell you that she doesn’t consider herself Jewish , is that what was implied?. She is as Ukrainian as they come, although her gran was of Jewish decent. What is 100% true, is that she is from Dnipropetrovsk and that has the worlds biggest Jewish Centre , so to be a Jew there is if anything a bonus! BTW she does have a very big support, she is the strongest man in politics’, but is having serious medical attention in Germany ATM. Yulia is a friend of the west, she paid a heavy price in the Orange Revolution by trying to please the West and keeping the gas flowing to your homes. She is standing for President and Putin would not dare cross her.
    Does she have a nuclear weapon up her sleeve? Well lets put it this way. Dnipropetrovsk built the rockets and weapons that armed the former USSR, its still there and still builds rockets. Ukraine as you all know or should do, agreed to give them up in the 90,s, although 1 or 2 went missing!!……………I’m told this, but can’t confirm, so don’t lose any sleep. It does however have a lot of dirty stuff hidden and stored that I do know and it is not safe.
    What else that I can say, without being arrested!. …. Head of armed services resigned cos the soldiers didn’t shot back in Crimea, although they were humiliated in their own country and needed to respond. However Russia knows it will pay a price but for now it fills its boots . Putin will take what he can get and a bit more, its his mission. If only for a strong Western leader this would not happen and we could all sleep better. Thatcher was so admired in Russia and Ukraine, Reagan was great to. As I’ve said before, never show weakness to a Russian, Never. I believe the US knows this well, but the EU seems to be a bit soft. Not seems , are!. Also let me say this. When Putin and Russia says, we won’t invade into Eastern Ukraine, its best always to expect the opposite. Hitler said the same and what did he do, that’s right, dropped bombs on Kiev and Ukraine lost 12 million lives, thereon.
    I guess you have heard of all the cash and gold being found in the former Governments safes, millions in cash and gold. I will without doubt be putting in a claim to the new energy minister for the return of several thousands of $ stolen from me.
    Someone said, ‘Oh what can we do’. Well there’s a big Ukrainian movement in the UK and worldwide, commonly known as ‘LondonMaiden, ParisMaiden etc. These people have left Ukraine, something like 7 millions in as many years and they through Facebook, lobby governments and highlight their experiences of life in Ukraine and what can help change things. Its an very powerful protest that points the finger in the right places. Its 100% peaceful as was the protests in Ukraine for 10 years before they were attacked,… and dignified.
    Mostly Russians/Ukrainians east and east get on. Don’t buy into all this Western Ukrainian Fascists, clap trap, haven’t you ever heard of Putins ‘Hitler Youth’, if you want a fascist look over there, but in reality there’s not much difference to eastern Europe and 70’s England. No ones going to change my opinion because I have lived in all regions, including England and within my family we have some very bright scholars who can dissect and explain the Ukrainian/Russian history in the most minute details. There’s just to much conspiracy flying around today………. The tensions have been artificially created to serve Mr Putin’s plan, its no secret, however if he carries on invading, there will be a massive backlash which will effect all of Europe.
    Lets pray for peace but get ready for some pain. ‘

    http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/4/3058327/ShowPost.aspx#3058327

  479. Sounds totally phony Nevermind, threats, lies. Some sort automated bot, I wonder which NSA/GCHQ program this one originates from.

    Her neighbour, but not quite on speaking terms, oh dear!

    Not to worry she’s sending her bill to the new Energy Minister. I wonder if Res Diss, Anon, Kempe, habbaduk and friends know too to send their invoices there.

    Some popular movement, it’s reduced to spamming football forums.

    Loves Mrs T too.

  480. Indeed Tony, she’s rattlin the sabre and never answers questions, sounds familiar doesn’t it?
    I invited her here, but she must have flinched reading sockets replies to Mary and others.

  481. @ Mar G. This film maker has been activ e for years and his pictures and video’s of Iraqs Kurdistan region might be of interest to you.

    http://alwandy.110mb.com/index.html

  482. sorry for mangling your name ‘Mark’ G., fasterfingersyndrome…..

  483. The t—l should get his facts straight. The Meningitis B vaccination programme has not been decided upon unless Mr Unt has been on the phone to him and has told him differently.

    ‘The JCVI says this is subject to the vaccine being made available by the manufacturer Novartis at a cost effective price. This means that further negotiations are still required before these recommendations become reality. The committee previously suggested in an interim statement for consultation last July that the vaccine would not be cost effective at any price, prompting protests from doctors, scientists and parents.’
    http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/03March/Pages/Meningitis-B-vaccine-may-be-available-on-the-NHS.aspx

    The vaccine is given in two, three or four doses according to the age of the child.

    ~~

    The greater epidemic is obesity in childhood and alcohol abuse costing £millions to treat and causing premature death.

    The ConDems were going to introduce alcohol unit pricing but fell prey to the lobby of the brewers and distillers, the Portland Group. I received a mealy mouthed reply from my MP who was actually a junior health minister at the time. The same applies to the processed food industry who products contain high levels of salt and sugar. Their lobby group is high powered too. It is shameful.

    Overweight ‘being seen as the norm’
    Being overweight is increasingly seen as the norm, England’s chief medical officer says.
    Sugar tax may be needed.
    MPs told Two million ‘may need weight op’

    Fergus Walsh Medical correspondent
    ‘Scandal’ of liver disease inaction 17:04 UK time, Tuesday, 25 March 2014
    The lack of action to tackle liver disease in the UK is “scandalous” according to a group of MPs.
    Watch Fergus’s report

    Both items on BBC website page.

  484. s/be

    The greater epidemic is obesity in childhood and adulthood….

    The same applies to the processed food industry whose products contain…

  485. @Sofia

    “Bless you. You seem to have some kind of psychic powers there, ‘cos I didn’t return till half an hour ago. I’m curious to know how I was being “so defensive” about a post that I was not to read for another eleven hours.”

    Apologies – my comments should have been aimed at others in the collective who were being defensive on your behalf.

    “As for your accusation that Orlov writes extreme nationalists/racist material. Can you point out any of his writing that can be interpreted in this light. Thanks.”

    I already have – once on this thread and also on a previous thread on Putin – seek and you shall find.

  486. “Let’s just say there are some words we can’t say any more, such as the type of demolition the WTC was.”

    Shhhh. That’s proprietary info.

  487. “Let’s just say there are some words we can’t say any more, such as the type of demolition the WTC was.”

    What, “progressive collapse”??

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_collapse

  488. “Fact is that the rising islmophobia in Europe is the common thread running through this network and our BNP, national front and Oooops, Likud are all part and parcel of it.”

    Fact(s) is :

    1. The use of the term “Islamophobia” and other pseudomedical cliches is intended to mark opponents with the stigma of mental illness or an irrational personality in order to isolate them from subsequent discussions. Commonly used by unprincipled people with diminshed capacity to reason and argue their own views.

    2. It is an utter nonsense to regard that popular religious beliefs, and in particular a certain religious belief, has absolutely no bearing on the wellbeing of a host society. If all religions are the same and all religions are inherently good, who on this blog will come to the defence of the indefensibly moronic Scientology?

    3. New Left propagandists will take isolated incidents of right wing criminality and minor electoral advances, lump them together as evidence of a coordinated movement/conspiracy, and megaphonically demand that legal and public policy measures be implemented to curtail the growth of public sympathies for right wing causes… Meanwhile, they ridicule similar observations about the fast growth of a violent religion with a violent past, currently engaged in myriad instances of political violence around the world – by labelling those observations as proof of the mythical disease of “Islamophobia”.

  489. Obama in in Saudi Arabia today apparently to mend fences following the West’s failure to attack Syria as the Saudis wished. Amazing to witness such grovelling.

    Can Obama Saudi visit stem deteriorating ties?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26758648

    I don’t think that there’s much going on in Obama’s head at the moment.

    and Kerry visits Jordan.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26747094

    ‘US Secretary of State John Kerry has interrupted a trip to Europe to press the Palestinians and Israelis to extend their peace talks as a deadline looms.
    Mr Kerry flew from Rome to Jordan’s capital, Amman, to meet Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. He also spoke by telephone with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’

    Note that Palestinian prisoners are being used by Israel as bargaining chips in the negotiations. Obscene.

  490. Good piece from Ken Loach. He must feel lonely. Few people of his calibre and principle remain.

    Labour is part of the problem, not the solution
    Its rhetoric may be softer than the Tories’, but the party still puts profit before people. Left Unity offers a new voice

    Ken Loach
    The Guardian, Thursday 27 March 2014

  491. Sofia Kibo Noh

    28 Mar, 2014 - 8:26 am

    On Dec. 17 2013, Yanukovych signed an agreement with Russia for $15 billion in loans over five years. Russia also agreed to reduce natural gas prices to the country by 33 percent. Furthermore, Russia did not require Ukraine to change any of its laws or join the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia in order to receive the loan.
 Opposition leader and genius Vitali Klitschko, had this to say about the deal with Russia: “They have given up Ukraine’s national interests, they have given up Ukraine’s independence, and they have given up perspectives of better life for all Ukrainians.

    Instead of this Ukrainians have been bounced, at a cost of $5 billion from the struggling US taxpayer and an initial $5 billion from austerity blighted Europeans, into the most savage austerity and loss of sovereignty yet. All cheered on by our leaders and their grovelling corporate media lackeys. Thanks guys ( oh, allright……and Victoria, Catherine and all)!

    “…what is also clear is that the only winner in Ukraine is austerity, Fascism, the IMF, and, of course, the world elites.”

    http://www.altheadlines.com/the-winners-of-the-ukraine-revolution-austerity-fascism-and-the-eu-13254473/

  492. Sofia Kibo Noh

    28 Mar, 2014 - 8:30 am

    Oops!

    I’ll let you work out where to put the missing inverted commas.

  493. I always read Linh Dinh on Dissident Voice and look at his photographic output which is illuminating.

    He describes what has been going on in Ukraine in his usual graphic style and concludes -

    [..]Not wanting to be accused of killing his own people, Yanukovych left his police unarmed during most the protest against his regime, and this decision cost him everything in the end. Now, the same restraint is being shown by the Venezuelan government as it is being roiled by a series of violent, American-funded and orchestrated protests that also includes sniper fires. The CIA’s well-worn playbook should be all-too-familiar by now, but since Americans are always being transfixed by the latest celebrity ass or asshole, they never notice the blood on their hands.

    Soon, however, there will also be blood on their faces, if not gushing from their bloated bellies, for this American government will not be so gun-shy when faced with the sort of civil disturbances it is so prolific at fomenting worldwide. As the world’s most promiscuous employer of violence in all its forms, micro, massive, generational, bank-enabled, smirkingly personal or drone-fired, invisibly, from the sky, Uncle Sam will not hesitate to puncture or crush anyone’s helpless body, and he won’t give a rat’s ass for world opinions.’

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/03/ukrainian-lessons/

    Linh Dinh is the author of two books of stories, five of poems, and a novel, Love Like Hate. He’s tracking our deteriorating social scape through his frequently updated photo blog, Postcards from the End of America.
    http://linhdinhphotos.blogspot.co.uk/ (link)
    He was born in Saigon, Vietnam in 1963 and came to the U.S.in 1975.9

  494. “1. The use of the term “Islamophobia” and other pseudomedical cliches is intended to mark opponents with the stigma of mental illness or an irrational personality in order to isolate them from subsequent discussions. Commonly used by unprincipled people with diminshed capacity to reason and argue their own views.”

    Quite right Jemand. Those of us old enough have seen it all before, the denigration of whole races of people with derogatory names like “wog” “nigger” “chink” “wop” “Iti” “Frog” and so on. We fought racism once and nearly beat it. The war goes on.

  495. And by the way Jemand, the term that should be condemned is “Islamists”. That equates with all the derogatory terms mentioned above. There is no more to be feared from Islam than any other religion. Furthermore there is probably good and bad in all religions (not so sure about Satanism). What is worst with slinging this mud about like “Islamists” is that governments are doing it. The BNP was bad enough.

  496. Mary, thanks for the Ken Loach link in The Guardian. I am going to this historic first conference tomorrow in the hope that out of it, in due course, will spring a new political morality. I hope that the day will come too when children are taught in schools, this is what the BBC reported during the Iraq war, and this is what happened. This is what the BBC reported about the Ukraine coup, and this is what happened. I still have faith that the planet can be saved from a grass-roots movement.

  497. I suppose I ought to rephrase “saved from a grass-roots movement” to “saved by a grass-roots movement” but I knew what I meant.

  498. “It is an utter nonsense to regard that popular religious beliefs, and in particular a certain religious belief, has absolutely no bearing on the wellbeing of a host society.”

    Jemand. 100% positive effect, 100% agree with you, and the more the ozies moan, the more they need to wake up out of their apartheid misery.

    If they find some MH370 wreckage, are they going to box it up and send it back to Malaysia. Nutters, the lot of them, except you brother.

  499. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 11:41 am

    3. New Right propagandists will take isolated incidents of Islamist criminality and minor electoral advances, lump them together as evidence of a coordinated movement/conspiracy, and megaphonically demand that legal and public policy measures be implemented to curtail the growth of public sympathies for Islam as a whole… Meanwhile, they ridicule similar observations about the encouragement of a violent religion with a violent past, currently engaged in systematic repression and ethnic cleansing at home and subversion around the world – by labelling those observations as proof of the mythical disease of “Antisemitism”.

    Reads just as well, as far as I can see, Jemand.

    “Jemand”…btw, anything to do with Yemen?

  500. “Not wanting to be accused of killing his own people, Yanukovych left his police unarmed during most the protest against his regime, ”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/20/ukraine-police-fire-protesters-kiev-video

    The speed at which history can be re-written and the readiness of people to accept the revisionists never ceases to amaze.

  501. Typical Kempe diversionary tactics. Read it again and see what’s wrong with your statement.

    “Not wanting to be accused of killing his own people, Yanukovych left his police unarmed during most the protest against his regime, ”

    I think you’re bright enough to work it out.

  502. This must’ve slipped in under the radar before RT realised what an all round nice guy Yanukovich is.

    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-police-brutality-evidence-762/

  503. Sofia Kibo Noh

    28 Mar, 2014 - 3:49 pm

    How do the conformity enforcers explain the differing outcomes in terms of numbers of dead and injured, amounts of high explosives detonated and subsequent social order and cost to their own tax-payers when the US helps to spread democracy and bring freedom in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or any of the dozens of other lucky countries that have rerceived the gift of US help compared to the disgraceful and illegal, bloodless “Russian Invasion”of Crimea.

    It’s easy to moan about Putin (Prince of Darkness) and denigrate other posters here but just imagine for a moment you have family in a place, which kind of help would you really choose? And why?

  504. Kempe, I don’t doubt there were nasty events on both sides, and you’re very selective about whether RT is a non-biased station. Certainly it has been better than the BBC over the Ukranian and Crimean issues but that’s not saying much in its favour. While nobody agrees with police brutality where ever it happens (must be something to do with a uniform) it does confirm the claim that the police were unarmed at that time. The first bullets came from snipers in January. RT, while criticising the police, said medics had identified the type of bullets extracted. And of course it is clear that because the western-funded Yatsenyuk regime will not hold an inquiry into who started and continued the shooting that, like Urmas Paet, we can all deduce who was responsible. Except you perhaps.

  505. Speaking of vaccines, Mary, there has been talk over the last few days about mass fluoridisation.

    I wonder if its proponents have read this:

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422%2813%2970278-3/abstract

  506. John Goss

    Of course you believe RT is less biased than the BBC since you believe every word that it says. Don’t you appreciate how circular your reasoning is?

  507. Kempe, I don’t doubt there were nasty events on both sides,

    This is just not true you have consistently denied any incidence of nasty events on the Russian side that have been put to you. Are there some other nasty events committed by the Russian side that you would like to draw to our attention?

  508. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    28 Mar, 2014 - 5:14 pm

    It’s not a question of either/or but rather degrees of fascism, or maybe minor points of disagreement ( I like tea, you like coffee so gfy)

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-face-of-ukraines-maidan-democrats/5375663

    “After the overthrow of Yanukovitch, Musytchko was heavily involved in acts of violence, intimidation and arbitrary measures against political opponents.

    The day after the right-wing coup, he appeared in a military uniform at the regional parliament in the Rivne administrative district brandishing a Kalashnikov. He then forced a parliamentary sitting to implement his demands. These included the provision of accommodation for his supporters in Right Sector.

    Three days later, he stormed the office of the district administrator of Rivne with a group of supporters and assaulted him on camera. The courts investigated complaints and statements according to which Musytchko and his supporters had arbitrarily confiscated cars and occupied houses.

    When the new government in Kiev issued a warrant for his arrest, Musytchko threatened Interior Minister Asakov that he would “hang by the legs like a dog and be exterminated.”

    Shortly thereafter, Musytchko was liquidated in a police operation.

    Interior Minister Asakov is a member of Yulia Timoschenko’s Fatherland Party, which is also far from squeamish in its dealings with political opponents. The Western media has portrayed Timoschenko, who made millions in the gas industry in the 1990s, as an icon of the Orange Revolution and a fighter for democracy. However, an excerpt of a telephone call between Timoschenko and her close ally Nestor Chufritch appeared on the Internet on Tuesday, which exposed the “icon” as a vulgar, unscrupulous criminal driven by hatred.”

  509. John ‘I am going to this historic first conference tomorrow in the hope that out of it, in due course, will spring a new political morality.’

    Be there for me. We cannot continue with the present corrupt system, the lies and deceit, the war mongering, the self interest of the politicians. I could go on.

    If you get a chance compliment him on his last film.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_of_%2745
    Excellent and a must see for anyone who cares about this country.

    I have just been to the local town centre and found a branch of Pret a Manger who serve nice filter coffee for 99p. I will not enter Costa(lot) Grand Metropolitan owned or Starbucks (Schulz a Zionist owns it and it is on the BDS list). I had just sat down near the entrance when this 30 year old woman entered carrying several designer carrier bags in one hand. She was wearing designer type clothes. Anyway she let the door close on a mother entering and pushing a pram with a baby in it and holding a toddler by the hand. I could not believe it and got up to help and said my piece politely to the designer addict about her lack of care for others. She looked daggers at me but did not reply.

    Similar on the bus. Two 16 year old or so schoolboys were standing in the space set aside for pushchairs and clearly marked. A young mum got on with a pushchair with two little ones in it with all the food shopping in carrier bags hanging on the handle. These boys made no effort to move out of the way. Others remained sitting in the double seat reserved for the elderly and for pushchair owners and which faces the pushchair space. In the end they had to get out of the way. They all had their bloody silly earpieces in of course.

    What has happened to people? It’s depressing.

  510. “While nobody agrees with police brutality where ever it happens (must be something to do with a uniform) it does confirm the claim that the police were unarmed at that time. ”

    It does no such thing. As is the case with para-military police forces the Ukrainian plod are armed as a matter of course. Besides even if ex-US Navy SEALS snipers were hired by Zionist Freemasons on behalf the EU to take out the odd copper or two in Kiev it doesn’t justify the police firing indiscriminately on unarmed protestors as they undoubtedly did.

  511. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 Mar, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Kempe

    “It does no such thing. As is the case with para-military police forces the Ukrainian plod are armed as a matter of course. Besides even if ex-US Navy SEALS snipers were hired by Zionist Freemasons on behalf the EU to take out the odd copper or two in Kiev it doesn’t justify the police firing indiscriminately on unarmed protestors as they undoubtedly did.”
    ________________

    I’m interested to see, Kempe, that you have seen fit to remain silent on the rôle played in these shootings by Enrique Capriles Radonski, AS Victoria Nuland, Sir Robert Cooper, Craig Murray and Old Mother Brown.
    Have you become a troll?

  512. Baal Zevul writes in mockuflection :

    3. New Right propagandists will take isolated incidents of Islamist criminality and minor electoral advances, lump them together as evidence of a coordinated movement/conspiracy, and megaphonically demand that legal and public policy measures be implemented to curtail the growth of public sympathies for Islam as a whole… Meanwhile, they ridicule similar observations about the encouragement of a violent religion with a violent past, currently engaged in systematic repression and ethnic cleansing at home and subversion around the world – by labelling those observations as proof of the mythical disease of “Antisemitism”.

    Reads just as well, as far as I can see, Jemand.

    “Jemand”…btw, anything to do with Yemen?

    - – - – -

    Way off the mark BZ.

    You can’t invert the key terms of a narrative, willy-nilly, and expect it to nullify the logic of the original. And while “Islamophobia” is indeed a political invention and mythical disease of the mind, anti-Islam is very much an extant product of clear observation, deep contemplation and honourable conviction to call things as they really are. You can discuss anti-Semitism, anti-Communism, anti-depressants, anti-lock brakes and anti-whatever all you like. They all exist, but not “Islamopobia”.

    Incidents of Islam-motivated violence (not to be confused with violence committed by Muslims for other reasons) are not isolated. They are unified by a common understanding that calls on Muslims to never tolerate being a minority in any land they call home. It doesn’t require all Muslims to be active – just an aggressive minority who has the ancilliary support, tacit approval or fearful compliance of the remaining majority. In fact, this is how it works for all despotic, tyrannical and oppressive regimes. Think North Korea. Think Nazi Germany. Think Pinochet’s Chile. Think!

    Right wing politicos will certainly exploit public anxiety over rapid growth rates of local Islamic communities and various violent incidents involving Muslims, regardless of whether it is religiously motivated or not. Right wingers are no less obnoxious in their exploitation of public ignorance than are the New Left control-freaks. But the New Left have a large political investment in the nice sounding but dubiously obscure concept of “multiculturalism”. They are required to apologise for Islamist violence because to condemn it would be a catastrophic admission of failure.

    Lastly, I do not understand your final line. Do you imagine that you are peeping behind a my veil?

  513. Resident Dissident

    28 Mar, 2014 - 8:20 pm

    “I have just been to the local town centre and found a branch of Pret a Manger who serve nice filter coffee for 99p. I will not enter Costa(lot) Grand Metropolitan owned or Starbucks (Schulz a Zionist owns it and it is on the BDS list).”

    Is that the same Pret a Manger that is 33% owned by Bridgepoint Capital the rapacious US private equity firm, who bought their stake from MacDonalds and treats its employees like dirt?

    http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/pret-fires-longstanding-employ.html

  514. That’s another one off the list then. The private equity tentacles are long and sticky. You will find Lord Patten of Barnes on the advisory board. Also Milburn the NuLabour traitor who continued Major’s PFI privatisation pioneered by Lamont, the Thatcher Treasury minister and the Major Chancellor. NuLabour gave way to these cruel ConDems. Plus Stuart Rose ex M&S is also there having found a new niche.

    Bridgepoint Capital have interests in the health sector. They bought out Care UK, now in receipt of large NHS contracts, which was owned by John Nash who is now a Cameron peer and Tory donor. Latterly made an Education Minister.

    http://www.bridgepoint.eu/en/investment-portfolio/ Healthcare sector/London office

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fury-tory-party-donors-handed-3123469

    They resemble death watch beetles eating away at the fabric of our society until only sawdust remains.

    Q. Not sure you are correct about Bridgepoint being US owned. Wikipedia has them as ‘pan European’.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgepoint_Capital

  515. I misspelt the name of the Starbucks owner. It is Schultz.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schultz

  516. Resident Dissident

    28 Mar, 2014 - 9:38 pm

    When it comes to coffee all of the chains are to be avoided – try somewhere locally owned if they haven’t already been priced off the high street – the prices will be lower and the coffee better.

  517. The State broadcaster has made no comment on this story, although Ms Miller’s expenses claims for her second home in which her parents have lived have been the subject of reports for a long time.

    She’ll have to go before the election!

    The Torygraph and Sky News so far. They don’t like her. Leveson rankles.

    Maria Miller’s £1m profit on taxpayer-funded home
    Culture Secretary expected to be told to pay back thousands of pounds claimed in expenses for Wimbledon property she designated as second home
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/10730894/Maria-Millers-1m-profit-on-taxpayer-funded-home.html

    Maria Miller ‘Will Have To Repay Thousands’
    The Culture Secretary will reportedly be told to repay up to £5,000 over expenses claims for a house she sold for a £1.2m profit.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1233803/maria-miller-will-have-to-repay-thousands

  518. A Muslim PhD student at Yale describes his experiences with BLiar who was a guest lecturer there in 2009. We learn nothing new about the psychopath.

    [..]On the other hand, I felt it my moral obligation that I not leave this class and end this semester without bringing up the past. While I realized that it would not change anything that had happened, I wanted to have a clear conscience and be able to speak my mind on this issue. But I also wanted to see:

    1) if Blair had any regrets regarding his decision,

    2) if he realized that his actions seemed to demonstrate to many people the hypocrisy of democracy when a majority of his own people opposed the war, yet he so stubbornly brought his country into this conflict against the will of his people,

    3) and, lastly, if he understood that his perception in the Middle East, and in fact in many parts of the world, as a man of war, actually made it impossible for him to be an ‘Envoy of Peace’ in the Middle East.

    With regards to the last point, I was trying to get the point across that his new-found role as ‘Special Envoy of the Quartet’ to try to solve the Palestinian crisis was viewed as a big practical joke by pretty much all players in the region.

    Although it was extremely uncomfortable to get to this topic, alḥamdulillāh in the very last class (with the help of certain classmates whom I had prompted) I did manage to raise all of these issues and more with him. I tried my best to be firm and keep my cool, but despite all my attempts, my bluntness did fluster him considerably (as even my friends attested to). To summarize the entire ten minute back-and-forth, as is to be expected, Blair does not regret his decision at all (‘In the end of the day we got rid of an evil dictator’). He felt that his decision was in fact democracy in action, for if the people disagreed they could vote him out (which they eventually did). And he did not believe that his perception in the Middle East was that bad (no comment), for wherever he went he was thanked by the people of Iraq (to which I replied he should meet people on the street rather than hand-picked spokespersons). He firmly believed that he was a perfect person to be EU’s special envoy to the Middle East.’
    /..
    http://muslimmatters.org/2009/02/04/to-blair-or-not-to-blair-that-is-the-question/

  519. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Mar, 2014 - 8:39 am

    “A Muslim PhD student at Yale describes his experiences with BLiar who was a guest lecturer there in 2009. We learn nothing new about the psychopath.”
    _________________________

    So if we learn nothing new, why are you posting? Therapy?

  520. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Mar, 2014 - 8:44 am

    “That’s another one off the list then. The private equity tentacles are long and sticky. You will find Lord Patten of Barnes on the advisory board. Etc, etc, etc….”
    ___________________

    Yoy have to admire the old girl, don’t you :) The way she got out of that one and then, doing a swift U-turn, used it as a springboard to dish out more dirt on Bridgepoint Capital.

  521. ‘Which is EXACTLY why it’s splendid news that the jab will henceforth be offered on the NHS and therefore FREE.

    Aren’t you pleased about that?’

    As I have already said, it has not yet been decided. It is dependent on the DoH and the manufacturer agreeing the price. The vaccine is given in either 2 or 3 doses depending on the age of the child plus a booster for some. Sounds pricey in terms of administering it.

    You can bone up here.
    http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/medicines/human/medicines/002333/human_med_001614.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac058001d124

    ‘Bexsero is given by deep injection into a muscle, preferably into the shoulder muscle, or into the thigh muscle in children under two years old. In adults and adolescents aged 11 and over, two injections are given (at an interval of at least one month). In younger children, two injections are given (at an interval of at least two months), except in infants aged between two and five months who receive three injections (at intervals of at least one month). Children under two years old also receive an additional booster dose (at a time point determined by age).’

  522. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Mar, 2014 - 10:34 am

    “As I have already said, it has not yet been decided. It is dependent on the DoH and the manufacturer agreeing the price. The vaccine is given in either 2 or 3 doses depending on the age of the child plus a booster for some. Sounds pricey in terms of administering it.”
    _______________________

    After the caning you got, Mary, I’m surprised you’ve popped up again with the meningitis B vacccination. Not the bad-loser syndrome, surely?

    Anyway, to the substance. Worry not, a price will be agreed.

    As to your “sounds pricey in terms of administering it”, what’s that supposed to mean? You don’t like the fact that it needs to be administered two or three times? You object to the call on a nurse’s time? If so, that’s what nurses are paid to do from the public purse (amoung other things).

    Or are you simply against this particular vaccination? If so, I suggest you find the parent of a child who’s had meningitis B (or died from it) and discuss further, either in, person or on the internet, with him/her.

    When in a while, stop digging.

  523. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Mar, 2014 - 10:36 am

    s/be “when in a hole”

  524. Four very pathetic posts in a row there addressed to me. Old habits seem to die hard. There is a repetition happening.

    ‘Drop it’, as I say to the dog.

  525. I’ve detected a change in the media since Obama visited Saudi Arabia. Yesterday, Channel 4 were condemning SA leadership on women’s rights… and the hypocrisy about trade before rights… with RT similarly condemning them regarding gay rights. Now Catherine Ashton is daring to speak out about “right Sector”.

  526. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    29 Mar, 2014 - 4:02 pm

    http://seeingtheforest.com/why-did-we-invade-iraq-2/

    “With the Russian takeover of Crimea we are seeing just a bit of the damage done to the world by the invastion of Iraq. We used to be able to say, with some authority, “This is wrong, you shouldn’t do it.” But now everyone can say, “What are you talking about? You invaded Iraq based on a bunch of obvious lies.”

    Redemptive self-awareness escapes Obama.

  527. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    29 Mar, 2014 - 4:14 pm

  528. This is the sort of café we should all encourage to set up in our towns.

    Chef Adam Smith serves up food deemed past its best. His Pay As You Feel Cafe in Leeds offers delicious meals made from ingredients discarded by the city’s various food establishments. It might be steak, soup – or just a cup of tea. Not only does it save perfectly good food from ending up in landfill, this inspiring little cafe (temporarily closed for refurbishment but opening again soon) is also helping to feed locals in need: facebook.com/PAYFcafe
    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/video/2014/mar/27/cafe-food-past-sell-by-date-video

  529. @Ben_Scot. Turkey is abusing the spirit, if not the actualite, of NATO membership. There is no way that a small country like Syria would attack a regional power on its doorstep, and the rest of NATO being called to come to its aid seems quite ridiculous.

  530. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    29 Mar, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    Peacewisher; I was implying the wheels within wheels of international strategies. Russia is being punished for it’s support for Syria, under the guise of International law. Plus, i infer a connection between NATO, Sevastapol and Tartus, Russia’s only ice-free ports in those shipping lanes via the Mediterranean.

    Plus, neither NATO or Russia is capable of fighting on multiple fronts. It’s all threats and bluster, but it’s a dangerous game of bluff.

  531. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Mar, 2014 - 11:08 pm

    Ben

    “Plus, i infer a connection between NATO, Sevastapol and Tartus, Russia’s only ice-free ports in those shipping lanes via the Mediterranean.”
    ____________________

    Glad to see that you’ve learnt something since the last time, when you posted that Sevastopol and Tartus were Russia’s only ice-free ports – period.

    Someone – probably Resident Dissident or Anon – corrected you and, mirabile dictu, you have taken the correction on board.

    There is hope yet for you, Ben.

  532. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Mar, 2014 - 12:43 am

    Breaking News:

    DARK FORCES JOIN UKRAINE PRESIDENTIAL RACE

    As if things weren’t bad enough with Right Sector and Svoboda running amok, it seems an altogether more sinister force is now active, and running for the Ukrainian presidency.

    Don’t say I didn’t warn you!

    http://rt.com/news/vader-presidential-hopeful-ukraine-885/

    More Breaking News:

    TROLL BORES HIMSELF TO DEATH

    I will never forget him, and I’ve written this poem in his memory. (Apologies to the ghost of Oliver Goldsmith)

    Ode to Dad.

    Upon yon struggling laptop taped away
    With keen intent to upset and dismay
    There, in his noxious manner, skill’d and rude,
    The old blogmaster sought to hush and rule;
    A man most drear he was, without a clue,
    I knew him well, as any daughter knew;
    Well had the trolling wreckers learn’d to trace
    The day’s distractions arrogant and base;
    Full well they laugh’d with counterfeited glee,
    At all his jokes, for many a joke had he:
    Full well the busy whinger searched and found,
    Conveying insults for to hound.
    Yet in his mind from endless contradiction wrought,
    His fevered accusations quite unsought.
    The village all declar’d how much he knew;
    ‘Twas certain he could write, and cipher too:
    Correctness he could measure, attitudes proscribe,
    And motives dark and evil then ascribe.
    In argument this person own’d his skill,
    For e’en though vanquish’d he could argue still.
    And words of tedious length he always found
    Dumbfounding gazing bloggers rang’d around;
    And still they gaz’d and still the wonder grew,
    That one small head could have so loose a screw.
    All others knew his game. His tedious plot
    Which marked him simply as a dull crackpot.

  533. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Mar, 2014 - 9:18 am

    Bloody Grownups!

    The clocks go back an hour and you all, Eminences and Excresances to a man and woman stay in bed and sulk. What kind of example is that to impressionable innocents like me?

    When you’re up Dad. No time to waste. Buy Dollars now.

    http://wchildlog.com/2014/03/25/russia-returns-favor-sees-chinese-yuan-as-world-reserve-currency/b

    Also, good news from Iceland,

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/25/us-iceland-auroracoins-idUSBREA2O1BY20140325

  534. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Mar, 2014 - 9:42 am

  535. I was fairly unaware of how Yugoslavia died as a country. All the recent debate about Kosovo, and an enforced time at home due to a nasty virus gave me an opportunity to catch up. The BBC did an excellent series of documentaries entitled “The Death of Yugoslavia”, which has enlightened me. Milosevic seized power in Yugoslavia. He saw some Serb Radicals in Kosovo as useful idiots who would serve his cause of a Greater Serbia. He was uncompromising to the needs of Slovenia, which allowed them to break away, probably with EU encouragement. His talk of Serbian Nationalism scared Croatia, which elected their own Far Right Nationalist regional President, complete with Nazi-like insignias. The die was cast, and the war was very bloody…

    I’m sure that some EU people will have seen a parallel with Ukraine, particularly with the growth of the Far Right in Kiev and the West. Lord Carrington, at The Hague, had an excellent plan for separate republics within Yugoslavia in 1991 when Slovenia had seceded, which would probably have prevented bloodshed in Yugoslavia, but Milosevic would not accept it. Something similar is needed now in Ukraine, it seems, and there is no hopefully Milosevic figure to disrupt it. Some see Tony Blair as a hopeless sinner, but he could go some of the way to repairing his reputation if he used his skills of negotiation to bring peace and bring about a multistate or federalist solution to Ukraine. OK, I know its not going to happen, but if not Blair, then there must be someone respected on all sides… how about Gorbachov?

  536. Ba'al Zevul (Hot enough for you?)

    31 Mar, 2014 - 4:13 pm

    -here because the topic’s Blair’s killing…here’s how the killing is made.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10729538/Hillary-Clinton-agreed-to-help-Tony-Blairs-charity.html

    And D. Miliband was apparently instrumental. Blair’s AGI takes a rakeoff from giving other peoples’ money to dodgy regimes aiming to sanitise their governance, often near oilfields.

    Heritage Foundation is critical of the deal. No surprise there: it’s a neocon thinktank, partly funded by big oil. Still, good to see it falling out with neocon Tony.

  537. Resident Dissident

    31 Mar, 2014 - 8:18 pm

    “how about Gorbachov?”

    Great man that he is – he is truly detested by the Putinistas.

  538. So Al Qaida, helped by NATO-member Turkey, have launched an attack on the town of Kessab in Latakia. Not quite Erdogan’s false flag (hello MSM!) but maybe a handy bit of electioneering from this delusional thug.

    Stay strong, Syria. Stay united. The dogs are all around you, but they’re getting tired of gnawing at you. Take one look at Libya and Iraq if you need reminding what’s at stake.

  539. Ba'al Zevul (New Every Morning is the Love)

    1 Apr, 2014 - 12:21 pm

    More Blair, this time Cherie’s filling her designer boots -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10732062/Cherie-Blairs-empire-and-its-secret-HQ.html

    Omnia Strategy describes itself on its website as a “pioneering international law firm”, able to “tackle complex problems that require an innovative and multi-disciplinary approach”.

    Last year, it applied and received from the Solicitors Regulation Authority approval to operate as an “alternative business structure”, allowing Omnia, according to the Law Society, to “provide a wider range of services to clients” than a traditional law firm.

    The firm has hired Sofia Wellesley, the granddaughter of the Duke of Wellington and fiancée of James Blunt, the Old Harrovian and former army officer turned pop singer, to grow the business. Miss Wellesley is Omnia’s head of client relations and, according to well placed sources, has in recent months been helping Mrs Blair promote her African clients in London.

    ….“alternative business structure”…

    Love it. Evidently attached to the NGO teat, where Tony goes, Cheri will devise innovative and multidisciplinary approaches to the problem of obtaining money.

  540. Ba'al Zevul (New Every Morning is the Love)

    1 Apr, 2014 - 12:28 pm

    One of Cherie’s clients (see link above):

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1281887/President-Gabon-Ali-Ben-Bongo-Ondimba-sparks-outrage-buying-85million-official-residence–PARIS.html

    I hope he can afford her “strategic counsel”. Most of his subjects can’t.

  541. II didn’t know mendacity was so liberal l in these crimes against humanity when the legality of these venturers legitimised by Cherie Blair et al are simply morally incomprehensible by the majority right minded people.
    Have faith old boy mindfulness and endearing qualities will succeed .
    Although the game being played suits only those cravenous sinners,

  542. Ba'al Zevul (New Every Morning is the Love)

    1 Apr, 2014 - 3:35 pm

    Here’s the pitch in all its nakedly offensive glory:

    http://makepovertybusiness.squarespace.com/peter-wilson/

    Wilson is Cherie’s co-director, along with another legal specialist, in Omnia Strategy.

    I think “Monetising Misery” might be better, but, hey, that’s just me.

  543. Ba'al Zevul (New Every Morning is the Love)

    1 Apr, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    Oops. Wilson resigned from Omnia in August. The Legal Futures website is out of date. Replaced by a Roxana Pierce.

    Current team:
    http://www.omniastrategy.com/?_escaped_fragment_=our-team/crfr#!our-team/crfr

  544. Ba'al Zevul (I Am The Egg Man)

    2 Apr, 2014 - 9:40 am

    More Blair -

    Faith Foundation Recruits Godbotherer’s Unemployable Son to Do Something and Grab some God-points.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594735/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Archbishop-Welbys-son-given-plum-job-Blair.html

    His USP seems to be having studied Arabic. Might come in handy -

    http://www.arabianbusiness.com/photos/the-9th-annual-arabian-business-forum-tony-blair-526146.html

    (sick bag alert)

  545. Ba'al Zevul (I Am The Egg Man)

    2 Apr, 2014 - 11:42 am

    Blair again – apparently helping to stitch up the Muslim Brotherhood, while Cameron deploys UK assets to investigate someone else’s bomber bombing someone else’s people in someone else’s country. Good piece here:

    http://patrickgaley.com/tag/tony-blair/

    “Blair was in Egypt yesterday. Today we read:

    Sir Kim Darroch, the prime minister’s national security adviser, has already started work. A key role will be played by Sir John Sawers, the current chief of the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), who served as UK ambassador to Egypt between 2001-03. Sawers, who had previously served as Tony Blair’s foreign affairs adviser in Downing Street, had strong contacts with the regime of the former president Hosni Mubarak.

    Makes sense. The team that brought us the illegal invasion of Iraq and one half of the War on Terror is backing more secular autocracy and looking at ways to implicate Islamists.

    This is an organisation that has been the target of persecution since its inception more than 80 years ago, that spent decades being rounded up and killed by successive western-backed military autocrats, that won multiple elections declared free and fair by the international community only to be forced underground by another military dictator. Its supporters have been massacred on the streets and its members rounded up and jailed without so much as a chance for the defence to step foot in court. After fleeing for their lives, MB partisans have fled Egypt.

    Yet these are the people under investigation for terrorist activity. I’m often accused of being pro-Brotherhood (I’m not, although I’m proudly anti-coup), but I cannot fathom how this is a) proportionate to events in Egypt and b) in keeping with the UK’s tradition of hosting foreign political dissidents, as MB members now are.”

  546. Ba'al Zevul (I Am The Egg Man)

    2 Apr, 2014 - 12:11 pm

    Slightly earlier piece (above is dated Tuesday) accurately analysing Blair’s relationship with Sisi -

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/robert-fisk-if-only-tony-blair-could-grasp-the-truth-about-field-marshal-sisi-9097378.html

    It was, of course, utterly inevitable that Tony Blair would back Egypt’s new authoritarian leaders.

    After all, can you imagine Blair – our very own Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara – stepping forth to offer his courageous, unstinting support to a democratically elected President overthrown in a military coup d’état? Can you imagine him condemning a General – no, I forget, General Abdel Fatah al-Sisi has just been made a Field Marshal – whose men have gunned down 1,000 protesters since last summer and who has now put the elected President on trial for his life as a “terrorist”? Ye Gods, if such bravery burned within the heart of Lord Blair, we would all suffer immediate cardiac arrest.

    Recent events have only confirmed Fisk’s view. The Al-Jazeera journalists currently imprisoned by Sisi are still in jail. Bit more on themhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/31/egypts-al-jazeera-trial-was-inspired-by-americas-global-war-on-journalism

    And the mass arrest and possible mass execution of political opponents continues:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26726901

    In total, over 1200 MB supporters, or people thought by a policeman to be so, have now appeared in front of a kangaroo court, and 583 have been sentenced to death.

    583. Makes even China’s annual record look a little inadequate. Blair supports this regime.

  547. Ba'al Zevul (I Am The Egg Man)

    2 Apr, 2014 - 2:47 pm

  548. Ba’al Can’t take much more on BLiar. Who or what is going to bring him and the rest of his pack down? There are no adequate words. Is there a God?

  549. Ba'al Zevul ( My Name Is Legion And There's Quite A Lot Of You Too)

    2 Apr, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    I’m very much afraid there’s a lot more, Mary. I have not even touched on his spiritual life, but I am sure that when fate overtakes him, he will be schmoozing both God and Myself with offers of advice on governance. I am planning a new satanic palace for myself on the strength of the spiritual bounty he will bring me. On the other hand God will be severely disappointed if he wants to refurbish the clouds and pay the angels. He’s considering bringing back indulgences, I’m told.

    On the secular side, I see that Tony, as he will no doubt insist on being called after he has pitched, screaming, into the lowermost depths of my warmest welcoming pit, is advertising for chuggers…

    http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/africa/pages/careers

    Nothing changes.

  550. I’m sure there is a God, Mary… but it is not up to God. It is up to us. There is a great quote from one of the gospels that I can’t quite recall about giving unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and giving unto God…

    I have admired Tony Benn so much more since hearing his radio programme with the late Dr Antony Clare. He understood the Christian message. The Roman Empire did eventually fall, partly through internal corruption but also through people being unbelievably brave. We’ve already seen a number of examples of “citizens arrests”, and I’m sure that is just the beginning.

  551. Ref the son of the Archbishop of Canterbury. He is a scion of a shallow pretender.

    His contributions to the TBFF below. He is just a little shill recycling the garbage and should get a proper job.

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/blogpost/syria%E2%80%99s-fragmented-extremists

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/blogpost/good-government-issue

    I note Martin Bright of the JC has blogged 5x on the BFF.

  552. Thanks Ba’al for the links and Peacewisher for your comment.

    I actually want an exterminating angel to deal with BLiar, his wife and their cabal.

  553. Ba'al Zevul (Peace!)

    3 Apr, 2014 - 10:34 am

    Further to the (surely untrue!)notion that C&T Blair International Offshore Inc’s charidee division is possibly less philanthropic than profitable, here’s Cherie again:

    http://www.philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/accenture-awards-1.7-million-to-cherie-blair-foundation-for-women

    Accenture also will provide pro-bono consulting services related to the development of training curricula and teaching videos and the program’s expansion into new regions.

    What nice people. Accenture’s speciality is, of course, outsourcing. Its clients are not the poor bloody infantry who will be taught by Cherie to do self-employed T-shirt sewing &c. The clients are people like Primark. And Accenture’s commitment to lowering operational costs is not limited to its clients. Formerly in Bermuda, it has relocated to take advantage of Ireland’s favourable (compared to the US) tax and corporate arrangements.

    An Accenture project, Brazil’s ‘Conexão’

    http://www.philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/accenture-accenture-foundations-award-3.3-million-for-job-training-in-brazil

    …” was established with a $1.1 million grant from the Accenture Foundations, has trained more than twenty-five thousand young Brazilians since 2007, approximately nine thousand of whom have entered the workforce and more than three hundred of whom have started or developed a business.”

    Unstated is whether they would have entered the workforce anyway, and what the workforce was. Maybe they got jobs here?

    http://www.nearshoreamericas.com/accenture-recife-brazil/

    What is a ‘delivery centre’? – 10 points for this. Clue: it’s nothing to do with parcels or childbirth.

    By the look of it, Accenture is taking the charity route to training cheap workforces for its own operations and hence providing a service for corporations. It punts astonishing sums of money worldwide on this, and the charidee bit makes it look less like a rapacious, exploitative, and wholly unnecessary middleman. That’s what I think, Cherie. I’d love to see your Cayman account.

  554. Ba'al Zevul ( Happily Trollblocked)

    3 Apr, 2014 - 12:48 pm

    Oh, and (last year, 5 years after Tony accepted £80M from Pinchuk for his Feith (sic) Foundation…:

    http://yes-ukraine.org/en/news/bill-klinton-i-toni-bler-vistuplyat-na-10-y-yaltinskiy-shchorichniy-zustrichi-20-veresnya-2013-roku

    The 10th Yalta Annual Meeting “Changing Ukraine in a Changing World: Factors of Success” will be taking place at the historic Livadia Palace in Yalta, Ukraine, from 19th to 22nd September, 2013. More than 250 leaders from politics, business, society and media representing 20 countries will discuss global challenges and their impact on Ukraine, Wider Europe and the world.

    Forewarned doesn’t seem to have been forearmed, does it? Note the sponsor.

    Poor Tony. Another magic project gone south. Still, y’know, he backed the dictator in Egypt, and that seems to be going ok.

  555. Can’t see any mention of Ms Nuland there!

    http://yes-ukraine.org/en/news/bill-klinton-
    i-toni-bler-vistuplyat-na-10-y-yaltinskiy-shchorichniy-zustrichi-20-veresnya-2013-roku

    Did the puffed up William Jefferson Clinton and Antony Charles Lynton Blair choose Yalta because they see themselves as having the stature of those attending the original Yalta conference?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference

    God (again) help us all if Shillary gets the next presidency.

  556. They are puffed up continually by the media, Mary, and after a while it seems that they actually believe it (!) I think we’ll soon have to add the current incumbent of the White House to the war criminals before long…. the lie about Iraq v Crimea was so off the scale that George W Bush would have been proud of it.

  557. Obomber was added to the list way back Peacewisher.

    Libya.
    Extrajudicial killing of humans by drone, etc etc

  558. Ba'al Zevul(Former Contender)

    7 Apr, 2014 - 11:37 am

    Mods – apologies for posting this twice, but I’d like people to see it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10747166/Tony-Blair-knew-all-about-CIA-secret-kidnap-programme.html

    Looks like the deniability has run out for Tone.
    The claims against Mr Blair come as the US Senate voted this week to declassify a summary of a 6,300-page report into the CIA’s rendition programme in a move that legal experts say will put added pressure on the British government to come clean about its role.

    Senator Dianne Feinstein, the Democrat chairman of the committee that conducted the research, said the “shocking” report had “uncovered the facts” behind the secret programme and could be made public within 30 days following a security review by the White House and the CIA.

    As well as the continuing criminal investigation, the British government, MI6 and Mr Straw are being sued by Mr Belhadj. In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph this week, Mr Belhadj said he was determined to pursue the British government through the courts for an apology and the truth about what happened to him – and what senior figures such as Mr Blair knew about it.

    “When he was sitting in the tent with the dictator Gaddafi, I was facing torture at the hands of my own country’s [intelligence] services,” Mr Belhadj said by phone from Tripoli, referring to Mr Blair’s meeting with the Libyan leader in March 2004.

    Mr Blair has never confirmed what he knew about the rendition programme, but has argued that Libya played a vital role in the “war on terror”. Mr Belhadj’s case was thrown out last December by a High Court judge who acknowledged that he had a “well-founded claim”, but declined to hear it, citing British government legal arguments that it would seriously damage US-UK relations.

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