A Good Idea

by craig on March 21, 2014 9:07 am in Uncategorized

Dashing off to London now to do an interview with George Galloway for his crowd sourced documentary “The Killing of Tony Blair”.  Sounds less like a film, more like a good idea.

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  1. “At the end of WWI Germany had no option but to accept the demands of the victors. In the 1930s when they had recovered they began to set right what they saw as the wrongs done at Versailles. Re-unite the German speaking peoples.”

    Austria was never part of Germany neither were Czechoslovakia or Poland.

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 6:54 am

    Peacewisher

    “One more question, Tony…

    In the post-war carve up how did Bulgaria manage to stay relatively independent?”
    ___________________

    It didn’t.

  3. Kempe,

    As custodians we are all responsible for our actions where ever we are.
    Land is not our god given right and the best we could hope for is to live in some sort of harmony with nature.

    Lands cannot be claimed historically only by force or by fury.

  4. Sofia Kibo Noh

    26 Mar, 2014 - 7:52 am

    Re Muzychko killing. Is it plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…all over again?

    “Adolf Hitler moved against the SA and its leader, Ernst Röhm, because he saw the independence of the SA and the penchant of its members for street violence as a direct threat to his newly gained political power. Hitler also wanted to conciliate leaders of the Reichswehr, the official German military who feared and despised the SA — in particular Röhm’s ambition to absorb the Reichswehr into the SA under Röhm’s leadership.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

  5. Sofia Kibo Noh

    26 Mar, 2014 - 7:55 am

    I have a feeling Yats has some difficulty bringing the Ukrainian military on board. Can anyone shed some light on their response to the Kiev junta?

  6. A lot of rather risqué jokes this morning on the Paltrow/Martin ‘conscious uncoupling’.

  7. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 8:32 am

    Buggerlugs mumbles, in his private language, into his Buckfast: :

    “With pleasure, BubbleZubble. I welcome (Cameron’s commitment to clamp down on tax evasion) and very much hope that it is translated into concrete, effective action as soon as possible.”

    LOL. Effective for whom? The only concrete that’s going to get translated into is the shell of a PFI hosp[ital which will cost the taxpayer three times more than it would have done under an autonomous NHS, and the profits from which will scoot offshore with the agility of Osborne stepping round a Big Issue seller. Notwithstanding, the justification for using PFI will continue to be the tax it will generate on its profits.

    Get real, shill.

  8. Muzychko – what a thug and a bully. There was film on RT last night of him hitting a young male civil servant round the head. Also raising his right arm in a salute.

  9. “In the 1930s when they had recovered they began to set right what they saw as the wrongs done at Versailles. Re-unite the German speaking peoples.”

    It was the NSDAP who made out that Versailles was the bain for all of Germany, that it stifled its re development. AH used this to his advantage, lamenting how downtrodden and aweful the agreement was for Germany. It was not the communists or social democrats that demanded that they set right what Versailles denied Germany, they were beaten into shutting up.

    What strikes me as rather odd, indeed very odd is that Germany’s first world war war graves are abondoned and neglected TODAY, that it was erased from memory after WW2, with the allies de- nazification program as well as utter silence from the elders who felt humiliated, first by Versailles, then by Hitler himself and thirdly by the allies telling them that they have been ‘bad Germans’ for decades.

    Germans have realised that if they are not interested in politics and leave these rogues to malinger and gather public support, this might all happen again. Political apathy breeds fascists and they inturn will make sure that the establishment and industry is on their side. Ring any bells?

  10. Ukrainian court bans Russian TV broadcast
    March 26, 2014
    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-court-bans-russian-tv-245/

    So similar to the West’s treatment of Press TV.

  11. Another sneaky flogging off of state assets to a favoured few. I don’t suppose any of us were offered Lloyds Bank shares, even if we wanted them. Osborne has procured £4.2bn. All done on the old boys’ network over lavish lunches no doubt. We don’t even get to know who bought them so open is our ‘society’.

    Lloyds stake sale raises £4.2bn
    The government says it has raised £4.2bn through the sale of a 7.8% stake in Lloyds Banking Group.

    Treasury to sell more Lloyds shares
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/

  12. “By force or by fury” .

    It’s what is done when land take. growth and revitalisation?

    Nevemind,
    http://ia600304.us.archive.org/16/items/UnderTwoFlagsByHeinzWeichardt/UnderTwoFlags-HeinzWeichardt.pdf

  13. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 8:50 am

    Cameron in 2012:

    ‘With the large companies, that have the fancy corporate lawyers and the rest of it, I think we need a tougher approach.

    ‘One of the things that we are going to be looking at this year is whether there should be a general anti-avoidance power that HMRC can use, particularly with very wealthy individuals and with the bigger companies, to make sure they pay their fair share.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133064/David-Camerons-family-fortune-tax-dodging-offshore-investment-funds.htm

    Cameron (Osborne) in 2014:

    http://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/news-and-analysis/politics/budget-2014-hmrc-gets-greater-powers-to-fight-tax-avoidance/2008140.article

    I can only wish him good luck with that, given an anonymous offshore account hiding behind a screen of shell co’s. Which is where the big money is. Or an account belonging to a major party donor. Or, indeed, an FSU oligarch. And watch the small debtors moving their stashes out of ISAs and into Liechtenstein….

  14. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 9:02 am

    Lloyds sell-off (@ Mary):

    “The stake was being placed with institutional investors, in line with advice from UK Financial Investments, which holds the stake on behalf of the government, that the latest sale be restricted to City investors. Chancellor George Osborne has outlined plans to allow small investors to buy up some of the shares, but City rules mean any sell-off to retail investors cannot take place for at least 90 days.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/25/george-osborne-government-sale-stake-lloyds-bank-private

    Funny how council house right-to-buy was a triumph of democratic capitalism, but bank share right-to-buy hasn’t even been considered….

  15. Thanks for that Jay, there are many history revisionists at work, they work non stop and have their work cut out by the psychopath that come to power. And they are active in any country today, Britain not excluded.

    I feel sorry for all those young lives lost wihtout rememberance, just because Germany lost and was humiliated by versailles does not mean these young men don’t deserve recognition for their sacrifice.

  16. Istanbul, Turkey, March 25, 2014, “If they (Israeli officials) are not free to travel, if they can’t go to their kid’s graduations outside Israel, if they worry constantly about being arrested when they go to the UK or Spain or Argentina, then we have won half the victory,” stated the lawyer from Spain, Gonzalo Boye, at the one-day legal conference in Istanbul, Turkey sponsored by IHH.

    His comments were made as attorneys from France, Turkey, Spain, South Africa and the UK discussed the ramifications of Israel’s attack on Freedom Flotilla I. The reports ranged from the status of criminal proceedings against the Israeli commandos as well as military and political leaders who attacked six civilian boats in international waters. There were also status reports on the Cormoros referral to the International Criminal Court (ICC).

    “Even if the perpetrators of these crimes such as willful murder, torture, large scale appropriation of boats, money and personal possessions are not in Turkey, they can still be tried,” added Turkish attorney, Yassin Samli, as he spoke about the Turkish court issuing arrest warrants for Israeli defendants.

    Dimitris Plionis, one of the organizers of the Greek ship to Gaza, remarked at the end of the seven-hour session, “It took two years for the first two boats to sail to Gaza and anther two years before the flotilla went. We made history on those voyages. Now, it’s time for the legal voyage to make history and hold Israel accountable for its actions.”

    Universal jurisdiction allows states to claim criminal jurisdiction over an accused person regardless of where the alleged crime was committed, and regardless of the accused’s nationality, country of residence, or any other relation with the prosecuting entity. Crimes prosecuted under universal jurisdiction are considered crimes against all, too serious to be limited to domestic jurisdiction.

    If any court finds the Israeli defendants guilty, an arrest warrant can be issued and names turned over to Interpol.

    It’s now time to hold the Israeli military and government leaders liable. They will have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their careers. It may not be complete justice for the nine murdered passengers and the 150 wounded on that bright May morning, but, as the lawyer from Spain said, “We intend to complicate their lives.”

    Greta Berlin, Co-Founder, the Free Gaza movement
    Editor, Freedom Sailors
    http://www.freedomsailors.com

  17. The amalgamation of France’ national front by the UMP conservatives, their ‘coordination’ with the national front in two seats is a worrying development, all over Europe the fascists are gaining with simple slogans and beer drinking gags.

    http://www.dw.de/french-municipal-elections-socialists-struggle-conservatives-and-far-right-make-gains/a-17515720

    Here we see the Conservatives writing desperate letters to their supporters because they are s..tscared about UKIP’s support, so many of their supporters feel cheesed off, not listened to that this EU election might become a rout.

  18. You are correct there Nevermind. The Torygraph have Germany down as the aggressor here. It takes two to tango they should remember.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-one/10677769/Germany-attacked-for-scandalous-First-World-War-anniversary-spending.html

    Rhetorical question. Why are Agent Cameron and Monsewer Hollande spending £53m?
    I want none of it and no reminder of the bloody carnage.

    My hero was Harry Patch. They even militiarised his funeral against his wishes.

    The wonderful Heathcote Williams.
    When Tony Blair met Harry Patch
    18 August 2013 Video
    On 6 June 2006, Tony Blair posed with Harry Patch, no doubt seeing a flattering photo opportunity with the longest surviving soldier from World War 1. “War is organised murder,” Harry told Blair, who only three years earlier had taken Britain into the illegal Iraq war. Blair scuttled away.
    http://noglory.org/index.php/when-tony-blair-met-harry-patch#.UzKdQ2ZFD4Y

  19. As quoted by Sofia from cluborlov:

    “Ukrainian is a village dialect”

    How is that not racist?

  20. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 10:17 am

    “I feel sorry for all those young lives lost wihtout rememberance, just because Germany lost and was humiliated by versailles does not mean these young men don’t deserve recognition for their sacrifice.”

    Absolutely. It’s bizarre that the world has compulsory holocaust remembrance and yet Germany cannot remember its own, comparable, losses in the same way. And for the same reasons – to discourage its repetition. Most of the dead had absolutely no choice and very little understanding of why it was happening, and both sides were whipped up by the usual scoundrels whose last refuge is patriotism.

    Who are still with us.

  21. “It was the NSDAP who made out that Versailles was the bain for all of Germany, that it stifled its re development. AH used this to his advantage, lamenting how downtrodden and aweful the agreement was for Germany.”

    Well yes there could be a lot of that in it. Extremists seeking power will always find some alleged grievances to rally the people behind them whether it’s “The Rhineland is ours and they stole it” or “The oil fields are ours and they stole them”.

    Many have argued that Versailles was more than generous to Germany.

  22. Sofia and cluborlov must have been purchasing too many meerkats, the Ukrainian language was crafted in medieval times and it contains aspects of many other languages, which is normal.

    ‘shut de doer’ in plat deutsch means ‘shut the door’, just an example on how interelations and intonation of words have travelled with trade. I would not be surprised to find Swedish words in the Ukrainian language, after all it was the Vikings who sailed down the Dnjeper trading with the Slavs and Rus.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language

    “As the result of close Slavic contacts with the remnants of Scythian and Sarmatian population north of the Black Sea, lasting into the early Middle Ages, is explained the appearance of voiced fricative γ(h) in modern Ukrainian and some southern Russian dialects, that initially emerged in Scythian and the related eastern Iranian dialects from earlier common Proto-Indo-European g* and gh*.[15][16][17]

    Ukrainian traces its roots through the mid-14th century Ruthenian language, a chancellery language of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, back to the early written evidences of 10th century Rus’. Until the end of the 18th century, the written language used in Ukraine was quite different from the spoken, which is one of the key difficulties in tracing the origin of the Ukrainian language more precisely. There is little direct data on the origin of the Ukrainian language. Scholars rely on indirect methods: analysis of typical mistakes in old manuscripts, comparison of linguistic data with historical, anthropological, archaeological ones, etc. Several theories of the origin of Ukrainian language exist.[citation needed]

    During the 13th century, when German settlers were invited to Ukraine by the princes of Galicia-Vollhynia, German words began to appear in the language spoken in Ukraine. Their influence would continue under Poland not only through German colonists but also through the Yiddish-speaking Jews. Often such words involve trade or handicrafts. Examples of words of German or Yiddish origin spoken in Ukraine include dakh (roof), rura (pipe), rynok (market), kushnir (furrier), and majster (master or craftsman).[18]”

  23. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 10:27 am

    “Ukrainian is a village dialect”

    How is that not racist?

    As it is by a Slav, about Slavs, not at all. Though it’s arguably untrue: Ukrainian is more than a dialect of Russian.

    I am intentionally missing your point, though, which is to denigrate a commentator by association with a remark peripheral to the actual discussion, made by someone else. Rather than having anything whatever useful to say about Ukrainian nationalism. Which, applying your criteria, is racist…

  24. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 10:29 am

    Beat me to it, Nevermind. But “‘shut de doer’ in plat deutsch means ‘put wood i’ th’ oyl’ in Old Lancashire. :-)

  25. Habba with news release yesterday on the possibility of Fluoridation of our water supplies, with your current interest in the vaccination programs how do you fell about this news.
    http://fluoridealert.org/articles/fluoride-facts/

    The article does indeed suggest that through experience and trials that this practice would not achieve the intended outcome of protection against tooth decay.

    I remember a decade or so ago a news release that tooth bacteria could be rendered harmless through a scientific process. I kind of sterilisation of the aggressive nature of bacterial.
    A genetic modification. I have not heard of this since, health and well being are paramount and our right to choose as well. More Dental care could be instigated without much doing, have we the capacity to teach and train dentist and open up more practices.

    Know any crocodiles?

  26. captcha problems??? is seven plus seven not 14 anymore???

    I leave it to others to judge whether the reparations were too lenient, I heard that it was only in 2010 that Germany managed to pay off the WW1 debts, Fred, it lingered.

    http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2023140,00.html

    Historians will always differ slightly depending on what their interest are tied to, patriotism demands etc. At a time when a country is down and defeated such treaties can grind somewhat, but you have to be in such position to be able to judge it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles

    “The treaty forced Germany to disarm, make substantial territorial concessions, and pay reparations to certain countries that had formed the Entente powers. In 1921 the total cost of these reparations was assessed at 132 billion Marks (then $31.4 billion or £6.6 billion, roughly equivalent to US $442 billion or UK £284 billion in 2014). At the time economists, notably John Maynard Keynes predicted that the treaty was too harsh—a “Carthaginian peace”, and said the figure was excessive and counter-productive. The historian Sally Marks judged the reparation figure to be lenient, a sum that was designed to look imposing but was in fact not, that had little impact on the German economy and analysed the treaty as a whole to be quite restrained and not as harsh as it could have been.”

  27. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:07 am

    On topic. Wow.

    No unpleasantness intended, Craig, but, knowing your view on independence, do you really want to be associated with Galloway?

    http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/local-headlines/galloway-delivers-a-big-naw-at-glenrothes-event-1-3353018

  28. “As it is by a Slav, about Slavs, not at all.”

    So Slavs cannot be racist about other Slavs?

  29. Wow, what a shot in the foot, Ba’al Zevul, and well in advance of the referendum… Will this leave Galloway having to prove he’s from Scotland?

    and what of this vanity, what a posey picture, fit for an actor….

  30. “What strikes me as rather odd, indeed very odd is that Germany’s first world war war graves are abondoned and neglected TODAY, ”

    Not my experience at all. Germany has it’s own war graves commission which cares for these places although I understand they are rarely visited. The largest is at Neuville St Vaast, near Arras. I went there a few years ago as part of a tour of the Somme and Ypres.

    http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo-gallery-german-war-diaries-recall-horror-of-wwi-fotostrecke-61176-3.html

    Each cross marks four graves and the headstones you can see here and there mark the graves of Jewish soldiers. I’m told none of these was damaged or desecrated during the occupation of France during WW2.

  31. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:36 am

    So Slavs cannot be racist about other Slavs?

    No. They’re the same race. Geddit? When your Reform rabbi is nasty about the chazar down the road, that’s not racism either….

    The word you’re reaching for is “nationalist”. And trying to smear someone with what someone else has said, legally, in another country, is “cretinous”.

  32. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:42 am

    “and what of this vanity, what a posey picture, fit for an actor….”

    He seems undecided between Clint Eastwood and Noel Coward, doesn’t he? A bent and filthy cigarillo in an embossed ivory cigarette holder is all the picture needs. I can guarantee he has a chair marked ‘Director’ and a clapperboard within easy reach.

  33. Thanks Kempe, but you are being picky by showing us the largest, best kept and winner in all categories… its not a big draw for those now very elderly Germans who were humiliated to believe under the following regime that their children died a shameful death and that Elsass was more important than the versailles treaty per se.

    As for todays generation and those of voting age, they are living in the here and now, not in the past, they are not regularly choked, at least once/week, with never ending articles about the second great unpleasantness, so they care more about bilateral and German politics today, and that the same ugly issues are flogged to death, literally, once again, by wolfs in sheepskin.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/11/14/nsu-n14.html

    and a flurry of different articles on the NPD and murderous NSU from der Spiegel
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/right_wing_extremism/

    Being involved means that beer swilling characters such as Nigel would find it a tad harder going to persuade anybody else but the ultra conservatives, he would get a rough ride.

  34. A Node’s point (24 March at 3.57 pm) about the media bias against the Yes campaign and the BBC’s attempts to discredit the authors of the report needs to be put in context. The BBC displays a far stronger bias against radical political and social voices on many other subjects, so for the bias in favour of the No campaign to be only 3:2 is far less marked than I would have expected, especially when both Coalition parties and the official opposition at Westminster are also in the No camp. Given that the report sets out evidence of BBC bias, it’s hardly surprising – even if regrettable – that the BBC puts some effort into discrediting the authors. What really matters would be evidence of the BBC using deliberate untruths to do so.

  35. I agree with your analysis, Ian, I would have expected some more flak by now, but then its a fine line to steer, one would not want to disaffected all those undecided, not to rake too much ill feeling, they realised what happened after Camerons last jibe.
    My guess is that they are working up to it, slowly, touchy feely, and in the final two weeks this will turn into a crescendo of pro union articles and scenarios.
    First they will have the hard task to ignore the EU elections as much as possible, one would not want to disturb the public with elections, after all its only the party faithful that should have a say… feeling sick whilst writing this….

    Disband… break up and reform, with all skeletons unearthed, onwards forwards into the 21st century, ripped from its Macheavellian circles it should flourish, and why not?

  36. @Iain Orr

    I looked at the research a while back and decided it was totally unscientific and I’m not surprised those who conducted it are refusing to release the raw data.

    If the BBC interviewed Alex Salmond and he said Scotland would have monetary union, then they interviewed the Governor of the Bank of England, the Chancellor and the Shadow Chancellor and they all said they wouldn’t, that would be seen as bias by 3 to 1.

    There was criticism of George Galloway earlier, I can’t comment on what he said I don’t know what he said but the article indicated he was talking about the issues not screaming “unfair”, “bias”, scaremongering” at the opposition. Someone seemed to think he should be ostracised and branded the enemy for this and his other views on the Middle East and the Iraq War loyal flag waving Nationalists should distance themselves from.

  37. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:14 pm

    “Someone seemed to think he should be ostracised and branded the enemy for this and his other views on the Middle East and the Iraq War loyal flag waving Nationalists should distance themselves from.”

    Not me. I pointed out that he was, with the obnoxious Brian Wilson, promoting the No campaign. I guess loyal, sash-wearing Unionists will want to ally themselves with him*…maybe that’s naif of me?

    Heh.

    *He’s a left-footer…you want to stir it, fine.

  38. No. They’re the same race. Geddit?

    Well that may have been the view of Nazis – but per Wikipedia

    “Modern nations and ethnic groups called by the ethnonym Slavs are considerably diverse both genetically and culturally, and relations between them – even within the individual ethnic groups themselves – are varied, ranging from a sense of connection to mutual feelings of hostility”

    Now of course Cluborlov – who you right is an extreme nationalist – may have the view that Ukrainians are some kind of inferior people over which Putin and his clique are entitled to exercise authority – but rather than quoting him with approval as a number of people here have (not just Sofia), perhaps they could recognise that extreme nationalism/racism exists on the Russian side of the equation.

    If people want to quote chunks of extreme nationalists/racists then they should learn not to be so defensive when their cut and paste efforts are not subject to attack.

  39. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:15 pm

  40. Regarding George Galloway I think you have to look for common ground, like the scrapping of Trident, rather than condemn him for having an opinion on the Yes/No vote for Scotland’s independence. After all, last year, I would have said the same thing, mostly because I believe in unity rather than division. But when David Cameron got his Tory business colleagues to say they would move shop from Scotland if it became independent, and deliberately cause a loss of Scottish jobs, that was the despicable trick that changed my mind. Go for it Scotland! Set an example that England can follow.

  41. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:21 pm

    “If people want to quote chunks of extreme nationalists/racists then they should learn not to be so defensive when their cut and paste efforts are not (sic – BZ) subject to attack.”

    I’ll add that to the “Young Ladies’ Manual of Etiquette When Contributing One’s Thoughts to the Blog of HE. C. Murray”, shall I? Along with all your mates’ unsourced opinions?

    You were simply having a go at the messenger. I have yet to see you attempt to discuss the message.

  42. Not one paltry signature. Now why is that I wonder?

    INVASION OF IRAQ 2003
    Session: 2013-14
    Date tabled: 20.03.2014
    Primary sponsor: Galloway, George
    Sponsors:
    That this House recalls that it was 11 years ago on 20 March 2003 that the first missiles hit Baghdad, signalling what was dubbed shock and awe, the start of the US-led attack on Iraq in which the UK participated; further recalls that the premise on which the war was launched was that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, based in large part on false dossiers produced by the then Government; notes that there were no weapons of mass destruction as the Iraqi government said at the time and as independent witnesses had verified; believes that this House and the British public were gravely and deliberately misled; mourns the thousands of men, women and children who died as a result of these falsehoods; and concludes that this was the greatest British foreign policy disaster in living memory.

    Total number of signatures: 1

    Galloway, George Respect Bradford West 20.03.2014

  43. A. Because nearly all of them voted for it.

  44. News from DoH, Richmond House, Whitehall. They have a large team in their media and press office numbering 26.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-of-health/about/media-enquiries
    There seems to be no attempt to counter reports like these below or to propose remedial action from Mr Unt. All in today’s Guardian.

    NHS workers’ views are ‘damning indictment of Jeremy Hunt’s record’
    A year after the radical restructure of the service, a Guardian survey finds staff under ever greater pressure

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/26/nhs-workers-damning-indictment-jeremy-hunt

    ~~

    Simon Stevens, the new head of NHS England, has a daunting task ahead
    With staffing problems, low morale, the need to move services out of hospitals, a £30bn funding gap and little room for manoeuvre, the incoming chief executive will need all his skills

    Note he moves seamlessly from the privatised sector, United Health.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/26/simon-stevens-nhs-england-daunting-task

    ~~

    Cuts have left 250,000 older people without state care, report says
    Report warns there is no way of assessing the true impact that social care cuts are having on vulnerable older people

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/26/cuts-vulnerable-older-people-without-state-social-care

  45. Also from today’s Guardian on cuts of a different kind.

    Lawrence family lawyer Imran Khan: ‘We see what the state is capable of’
    Imran Khan has been routinely portrayed as an anti‑establishment troublemaker. Now, in the wake of the Ellison report on police corruption, he explains how it feels to be vindicated
    http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/mar/25/stephen-lawrence-family-lawyer-imran-khan-state-capable-police

    ‘Khan tried politics once, as a candidate for the Socialist Labour Party. He won’t again. “That was a horrible experience,” he says, chuckling. “I am not a politician in a sense of being able to say things to all people.” And yet the impact political decisions have on ordinary lives troubles him greatly. The £215m cuts to the legal aid budget, for example. “I am working twice as hard as I used to, with half or a third of the money I used to get. Not to put too dramatic a point on it, if the Lawrence case landed on my desk today I wouldn’t take it. There are not enough hours to be able to make enough money on legal aid to be able to survive. I did Lawrence on a pro-bono basis.”

    He’s hamstrung now. “It is my biggest regret that I have to have conversations with families and say you deserve better, but I can’t help you. What will happen is that society won’t get the benefit of those cases. You don’t need to have inquiries and spend lots of money if you have lawyers who are challenging courts in individual cases and making law. If we had the bedrock of reliable public funding, we would be able to do a lot more. I can’t imagine there is going to be another Lawrence case for a long time – if ever.”‘

  46. doug scorgie

    26 Mar, 2014 - 2:42 pm

    ESLO
    26 Mar, 2014 – 9:27 am

    As quoted by Sofia from cluborlov:

    “Ukrainian is a village dialect”

    “How is that not racist?”

    ESLO, please explain why you think it IS racist.

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 3:36 pm

    BubbleZubble (08h32)

    What’s your problem, Bubble? You asked a question and I answered it. Disappointed?

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 3:50 pm

    Mary

    “Another sneaky flogging off of state assets to a favoured few. I don’t suppose any of us were offered Lloyds Bank shares, even if we wanted them. Osborne has procured £4.2bn. All done on the old boys’ network over lavish lunches no doubt. We don’t even get to know who bought them so open is our ‘society’.”
    ___________________

    You’re talking nonsense as usual.

    The shares were sold directly to institutional investors and in that way the govt maximised the takings since no commission or fees needed to be paid to handling agents. You should be pleased about that, surely? After all, the money raised by the govt will be ploughed into social security, the NHS, debt reduction and many other good things you surely approve of.

    Secondly, there is nothing unusual about this procedure. For example, it is usual for companies to place a share offering with institutional investors.

    Thirdly, there is nothing to stop you, Mary, asking your stockbroker to buy you some Lloyds Bank shares on the market.

    And lastly, you can find out, at Companies House, who are the shareholders in any publicly quoted company.

    *******************

    You really must learn to think before posting! Knee jerk posts – as you will have seen from your silly, silly post on infant vaccinations – can make you look foolish and get you into hot water.

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 3:57 pm

    Nevermind

    “The amalgamation of France’ national front by the UMP conservatives, their ‘coordination’ with the national front in two seats is a worrying development, all over Europe the fascists are gaining with simple slogans and beer drinking gags.”
    _____________________

    I sympathise with your anguish, but I wouldn’t get my knickers in such a twist if I were you. You mention “two seats”” – are you aware of the total number of seats being contested in France at these elections?

  50. “Thanks Kempe, but you are being picky by showing us the largest, best kept and winner in all categories ”

    Well so far no evidence at all has been presented to support the claim that these cemeteries are being neglected.

  51. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 4:08 pm

    Hey, Jay!

    “Habba with news release yesterday on the possibility of Fluoridation of our water supplies, with your current interest in the vaccination programs how do you fell about this news.”
    ____________________

    Well, it’s not really accurate to call my interest in vaccination programmes “current”, I’ve been interested in them for quite a while. That’s why I found Mary’s call for fewer infant vaccinations interesting as well, I suppose. And I’d still be interested to hear from her exactly which infant vaccinations she’s get rid off, but I guess she’s too busy posting about Palestine/Israel to tell us.

    Anyway, thanks for your interest in what I think about fluoridation. In reply, I regret to have to tell you that I have no views in the matter.

    In return, I’m interested in your bowel movements. Were your stools satisfactory this morning? Is everything OK?

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 4:28 pm

    Nevermind

    “I leave it to others to judge whether the reparations were too lenient, I heard that it was only in 2010 that Germany managed to pay off the WW1 debts, Fred, it lingered.”
    __________________

    You heard wrong, mein Lieber. Germany ceased paying reparations in 1932.

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 4:31 pm

    Mary

    “Ukrainian court bans Russian TV broadcast
    March 26, 2014
    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-court-bans-russian-tv-245/

    So similar to the West’s treatment of Press TV”

    ______________________

    And so similar to Russia switching off Ukrainian TV in the Crimea before the so-called referendum.

  54. “I sympathise with your anguish, but I wouldn’t get my knickers in such a twist if I were you. You mention “two seats”” – are you aware of the total number of seats being contested in France at these elections?”

    In your usual non evidence providing way, you are belittling the murder of immigrants in Germany and the harrassment of the Banlieue’s by the Sourette by saying ‘oh its only in two seats’.

    Well its says a lot about fascism in France and how close it is to the Conservatives aim to get back into power, equally here were UKIP’s simple messages, amplified by a rabid media, is spreading the collective jitters through the Conservative ranks, bad enough to make consessions to these rightwingers.

    you seem to like the European rightwing network of Wilders, Le Pen and Jobbik, why else be so noncholant.

    Fact is that the rising islmophobia in Europe is the common thread running through this network and our BNP, national front and Oooops, Likud are all part and parcel of it.

    what shameful lament to make Habby and we don’t mind you are wearing knickers.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-likud-connection-europe-s-right-wing-populists-find-allies-in-israel-a-777175.html

  55. “You heard wrong, mein Lieber. Germany ceased paying reparations in 1932.”

    See you are at it again, making assumptions without proof, grow up Zwerg.

  56. Show me the masses of Germans visiting them,Kempe, ask around you German friends who last been to visit a WW1 wargrave.
    you seem to think that if everything is in the right place, looks good and had money spent on it, that there is no neglect.

    There is, Germans are neglecting these graves by their absence. Please try and inform yourself.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-germany-wwi-remembrance-idUSBREA2I0FN20140319

  57. Ahh, trying to change the meaning of “neglected” now.

    I did say visitors were few and far between but they are far from being “abandoned and neglected” as you claimed.

  58. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 5:13 pm

    Nevermind

    ““You heard wrong, mein Lieber. Germany ceased paying reparations in 1932.”

    See you are at it again, making assumptions without proof, grow up Zwerg.”
    ________________

    Take a deep breath, Nevermind, and calm down.

    You made a claim (something you “had heard”.)

    I pointed out that what you had heard was wrong, and gave you the correct information.

    You then seem to have got upset.

    Why? Anger management issues?

  59. I also provided a link for you to read socket, now go and feed your chickens.

  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    Nevermind

    It’s school time for you again, I fear.

    “In your usual non evidence providing way, you are belittling the murder of immigrants in Germany and the harrassment of the Banlieue’s by the Sourette by saying ‘oh its only in two seats’.”
    ________________

    No, I’m pointing out that the FN and UMP are envisaging an electoral deal in two constituencies – two out of hundreds. And advising you not to draw paranoid inferences from that.
    BTW – I take it you were referring to the Sûreté when you wrote “Sourette”?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Well its says a lot about fascism in France and how close it is to the Conservatives aim to get back into power,..”

    ______________

    Wrong again. It says nothing about fascism or France. It says that in two constituencies (out of hundreds) local UMP members have defied the UMP’s national leadership and have made it known that they will entertain a second-round electoral pact with the Front National.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “you seem to like the European rightwing network of Wilders, Le Pen and Jobbik, why else be so noncholant.”

    _________________________

    I hesitate to use the word “reasoning” in a discussion with you, but what is the reasoning underpinning that accusation?

    ****************************

    La vita é bella, life is good!

  61. Reasoning with you is like teaching a horse to brew coffee, socket, and now you can talk to yourself again.

    What is it with all these pseudo fascists sympathizer here, they just don’t learn their own messages.

  62. “ESLO, please explain why you think it IS racist.”

    Try telling someone from Jamaica that Patois is just a village dialect – but please stand back when you do so.

  63. I made no case for reducing infant vaccinations. It is for a qualified doctor to decide what vaccines a child is given. Vaccines are not like sweeties.

    I pointed out that children develop needle phobias. The t===l has obviously never worked in a hospital or health centre and seen the distress of the child and the mother when a blood sample is needed or a cannula has to be inserted. It is an indisputable fact that BIG PHARMA make large profits from vaccine manufacture. Remember the SARS and the Tamiflu panics. Cui bono?

    GSK’s Cervarix is another vaccine where there is a risk of adverse reactions and where young people are left with the impression that there are no risks to health from sexual activity. There are many of course and genito urinary clinics are now being closed.

    I have made it to safely and healthily to my seventies without a blanket coverage of vaccines. I do not even have the heavily promoted flu vaccine which contains the swine flu component. Ridiculous.

    http://truthaboutgardasil.org/about-2/

    http://www.currentpartnering.com/insight/top-50-pharma/

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/11/vaccination-profiteers-gang-up-on-hannah-bruesewitz-in-supreme-court/

    Just a few links for my irrational pursuer to bone up on. He might learn something and stop using this stick to try to beat me with. Failing incidentally!

  64. A note to an MP ref the lack of any signatures on George Galloway’s EDM which I linked to earlier.

    What a disgrace that no-one has yet signed this EDM.

    It shows how low Parliament has sunk and how out of tune MPs are with the public conscience. It is of course a painful reminder to MPs of their failure to exercise due diligence in the search for truth before committing this country to one of the foulest wars ever.

    It is also a reminder of their reckless disregard for this nation’s reputation, not to mention their responsibility for the consequent slaughter of at least half a million people and the trashing of their heritage.

    And let us not forget that the British Parliament’s monstrous crime came on top of the 600,000 children that died as a result of 13 years of devastating economic sanctions imposed on the Iraqi people before the war began – the sort of brainless spitefulness your ministers indulge in to this day against other countries, other innocent civilians.

    Will no-one stand up, sign up, and admit they were wrong?

  65. MEPs denied access to Gaza

    An official delegation from the European Parliament has been denied access to Gaza by the Israeli authorities.

    The cross-party group of three MEPs (Chris Davies, ALDE/UK – Norbert NEUSER, S&D/D – Nicole Kiil-Nielsen, GREENS/FR) had intended to meet with officials from the UN Relief and Works Agency to discuss the use of EU money on humanitarian projects in the Gaza Strip.

    Israel has severely restricted access to the 1.7 million people of Gaza since 2007 in what has been described as an exercise in collective punishment after supporters of Hamas took control.

    Exports from the territory have virtually ceased since then and economic activity has been strangled.

    UNRWA receives more than €100 million annually from the European Union, much of which is spent on emergency food distribution and the provision of education within Gaza.

    Israel claims that the MEPs from the European Parliament’s delegation on Palestine through the Erez crossing will not be solely concerned with humanitarian matters,

    But the allegation has been strongly refuted by the MEPs, who say that Israel’s closure of the Gaza Strip is in breach of international law.

    They say: “Israel has inflicted an economic catastrophe upon the people of Gaza and the humanitarian consequences are all too well known.

    “Instead of preventing MEPs assessing where European taxpayers’ money is being put to good use the Israeli authorities should be hugely grateful for the EU’s efforts.

    “The Geneva Convention makes clear that Israel is responsible for the well- being of the people under its control and occupation, but the EU is paying bills that are rightly Israel’s responsibility.”

    From the Palestine Ambassador to the UK. He does not say what he’s going to do about it though.

  66. When I read the headline I thought ‘Oh good’. But he’s standing as the next President/Dictator. The poor people. One tyrant after another.

    Egypt military chief Abdul Fattah al-Sisi resigns
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26747101

    I have an Egyptian friend and neighbour. She sees through all of the American interference in her country’s affairs.

  67. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 9:34 pm

    Mary

    I not trying to use what you wrote about vaccinations as a stick to beat you with. I am using it to try and make you understand that your inability to keep your mouth shut and not bad-mouth absolutely everything – even things most people would welcome – makes you appear very silly and gets you into embarrassing positions from which you extricate yourself only slowly and painfully if at all.
    *************

    “Vaccines are not like sweeties.”
    _______________

    Indeed not. I didn’t say they were, but that was actually the implication of YOUR post. As a matter of fact, some vaccinations are a legal requirement and there is no one serious in the medical field or elsewhere who disputes the value of the other ones you mentioned in your original post.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I pointed out that children develop needle phobias. The t===l has obviously never worked in a hospital or health centre and seen the distress of the child and the mother when a blood sample is needed or a cannula has to be inserted.”
    _________________

    They do – and so what? And how many? Some children are afraid of the dark and some people scream when they see a mouse or a spider. And you’re right – I’ve never seen the distress in hospital of a child with needle phobia. But I have seen the consequences of TB, polio and, in later life, of mumps and rubella, and I know which one I’d rather see if I had the choice.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “It is an indisputable fact that BIG PHARMA make large profits from vaccine manufacture.”

    _______________________

    They probably do. Again,, so what? How do you know that those profits don’t in part go to fund the development of new medicines and vaccines?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “GSK’s Cervarix is another vaccine where there is a risk of adverse reactions and where young people are left with the impression that there are no risks to health from sexual activity. There are many of course and genito urinary clinics are now being closed.”
    ________________________

    Yes, there is a risk, as there is with practically all medicines and vaccines. And with all operations for that matter. But again, I think most normal people would accept a possible adverse reaction as a reasonable price to pay for an effective vaccine against cervical cancer. And please don’t try to dirty the argument by claiming that this vaccine is being “sold” as giving immunity from health risks arising from sexual activity – you know perfectly well that this is not the case and that the health professionals who administer the vaccine are not saying that.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I have made it to safely and healthily to my seventies without a blanket coverage of vaccines.”
    __________________

    I congratulate you on that. But perhaps you were lucky – luckier than the children with polio before the Salk/Sabin vaccines finally came along….

    *******************

    Anyway, I propose to leave the matter here. But please do draw breath and THINK a little before posting!

  68. Patronising, hectoring and lecturing as usual. No point at all in responding. A response, even indirect, produces another wash of the stuff.

    His comments on the Andy Myles thread already form 20% of the total submitted.

  69. @Mary

    I suspect the lack of any signatures for the EDM was because it was tabled by George Galloway, but it certainly seems that many MPs fawned and are still fawning about Tony Blair. Sadly, the British public seem to admire a warmongering prime minister, and the incumbent’s popularity is boosted in the polls whenever (s)he talks about the latest media-created threat. Wasn’t there something in “1984” about being almost perpetually at war…

    The MPs clapped Blair from the rafters when he resigned and made his final speech. Such is the state “representational democracy”, British Edition, in the 21st century. Thank goodness for 38 degrees. Still thinking of voting UKIP (or Green…)

  70. Resident Dissident

    26 Mar, 2014 - 10:55 pm

    I suspect the lack of any signatures for the EDM was because it was tabled by George Galloway

    Got it one

    Thought for the day – anyone noticed how many private communications regarding the Ukraine have been intercepted and made public by Putin’s puppets and received no little comment from the Eminences. Just a guess but if communications intercepted by the NSA and GCHQ rather than the KGB, and they painted Putinistas and terrorists in a similar light then the reaction of the Eminences would have been rather different and morally inconsistent.

    For the avoidance of doubt I am against all blanket surveillance whoever it is performed by.

  71. Craig

    did you catch Sillars debate with Galloway BBC2 Scotland Monday 24th March. I’ve just about lost all the respect I had for him after the Iraq War. There was one good, true man in that debate ……it wasn’t Galloway!

  72. “http://truthaboutgardasil.org/about-2/ ”

    That should really read the half-truth about Gardasil. As usual with anti-vaccine propaganda websites it concentrates on the side effects and shies away from providing the full picture.

    As of March 2013 22,000 people have reported side effects after a Gardasil “jab”. This is out of 57 MILLION doses administered since 2006 or 0.03% and 92% were classed as minor (ie rash or swelling). It may only protect against four types of virus but they are the most common types.

  73. Sofia Kibo Noh

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:26 pm

    Nevermind. 10 23am

    Ouch! Those bloody meercats are more trouble than they’re worth….almost.

    I see where you are coming from and while I believe it’s fair to flag it, I don’t believe it invalidates the point Orlov is making . “…she is talking about murdering people like me.”

    I’ve experienced and observed few of the permutations of national ingrained and unexamined attitudes…English towards Irish, Welsh and Scots, Catholic Irish towards Protestant Irish, and Walloon towards Flemish and vice versa. In this light I can accept your observation re Orlov’s casual reference to the Ukrainian language as a “village dialect” but feel that it is significant in the way that an English person might use phrases like, “throwing a paddy” or “taking the mickey” without necessarily realising their origins in a cultural soup of disparagement towards the Irish.

    Ba’al Zevul pointed out that the “village dialect” remark is peripheral to the actual discussion (thanks B). It is, but it’s a worthy diversion and I’d love to spend a week drifting down the Dnieper with you on our canoe and listening while you fill me in with your perspective and broad knowledge.
    Dad will look after the meercats, but for heaven’s sake don’t tell him before we’ve left.

  74. Sofia Kibo Noh

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:43 pm

    ELSO. 1 15am

    “If people want to quote chunks of extreme nationalists/racists then they should learn not to be so defensive when their cut and paste efforts are not subject to attack.”

    Bless you. You seem to have some kind of psychic powers there, ‘cos I didn’t return till half an hour ago. I’m curious to know how I was being “so defensive” about a post that I was not to read for another eleven hours.

    As for your accusation that Orlov writes extreme nationalists/racist material. Can you point out any of his writing that can be interpreted in this light. Thanks.

  75. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:44 pm

    Kempe

    “http://www.currentpartnering.com/insight/top-50-pharma/

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/11/vaccination-profiteers-gang-up-on-hannah-bruesewitz-in-supreme-court/
    __________

    And the two other links are no better.

    The first gives us the astonishing news that the top 50 pharmaceutical companies “are responsible for a large proportion of the revenues generated by the pharmaceuticals industry”. No, really? Who’d have thought it!

    And the second one isn’t even worth reading. It’s name (“disssidentvoice”) tells you all you need to know about the line it’s taking.

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:46 pm

    Its (the horrible apostrophe disease must be contagious. Is there a vaccination against it? On the NHS, of course)

  77. Sofia Kibo Noh

    27 Mar, 2014 - 8:11 am

    Beyond hypocracy…


    “Once again we are confronted with the belief among some that bigger nations can bully smaller ones to get their way…”

    “…international law matters; and that people and nations can make their own decisions about their future….”

    “Neither the United States, nor Europe, has any interest in controlling Ukraine…”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-us-and-europe-must-stand-against-russia-in-a-clash-of-ideals/

  78. Sofia Kibo Noh

    27 Mar, 2014 - 8:26 am

    “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

    WTF?

  79. “WTF?”

    You wouldn’t believe it if I told you Sofia, which I can’t or it would be sent for moderation.

    Let’s just say there are some words we can’t say any more, such as the type of demolition the WTC was.

  80. Sofia Kibo Noh

    27 Mar, 2014 - 8:52 am

    Fred.

    But I only said “Breathtaking hypocracy”. Obama said the rest, and he’s the leader of the free world and a nobel lauriate.

  81. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 8:59 am

    Loosely linking the topic with some of the foregoing, this from Albania;

    http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/tony-blair-s-albania-adventure-fails-to-take-off

    Notes:
    (1) Blair apparently offered to join with the World Bank in leveraging WB cash getting EU membership for Albania. But “The World Bank does not have a contractual relationship with Tony Blair’s team in any of the of the Global Network countries”

    (2) UN intervention in Kosovo was justified by the existence of a largely Albanian-speaking population there. Russian intervention in Crimea is not justified by the largely Russian-speaking population there.

    ““I am here because I believe in this country, its people and the vision of progress that has been laid down for it,” Blair said.”

    Really.

  82. ‘But I only said “Breathtaking hypocracy”. Obama said the rest, and he’s the leader of the free world and a nobel lauriate.’

    Don’t care who he thinks he is Sofia, he can’t come in here using words like that or he get moderated. He didn’t have the audacity to say what he did in the park this morning did he? Deserves all he gets if he did.

  83. Sorry Sofia. Yet the posts deconstructive of others for no good reason remain. Why for goodness sake?

  84. I notice that Habbabkuk has switched from attacking Doug all the time to attacking Herbie. Pathetic. Chin up Herbie and take no notice.

  85. This from Ukraine’s Sheva, apparently a close neighbour to Ms. Timoshenko, as yet I have not found out why she is posting on the canaries footie forum, or whether she is posting on other footie forums. Gosh they do like their football in the Ukraine.

    To the issue, in her post she talks of one or two ‘lost’ rockets, which, if its true that they are som ewhere ready and equipped, would make the agreement with the west obsolete.
    As Ms. Timoschenko is in germany for medicals, they might as well ask her about it, as such ‘loose missiles’, canons are so passee. So mif the resident snoop please could forward this, much obliged…

    ‘Wasn’t really intending to post any more on here but it might be wise to throw in a few thoughts from the ‘horses mouth’ and correct some of the stuff gleamed from the Internet searches.
    Yulia, who is she:
    OK as a former neighbour, not on speaking terms as such, I can tell you that she doesn’t consider herself Jewish , is that what was implied?. She is as Ukrainian as they come, although her gran was of Jewish decent. What is 100% true, is that she is from Dnipropetrovsk and that has the worlds biggest Jewish Centre , so to be a Jew there is if anything a bonus! BTW she does have a very big support, she is the strongest man in politics’, but is having serious medical attention in Germany ATM. Yulia is a friend of the west, she paid a heavy price in the Orange Revolution by trying to please the West and keeping the gas flowing to your homes. She is standing for President and Putin would not dare cross her.
    Does she have a nuclear weapon up her sleeve? Well lets put it this way. Dnipropetrovsk built the rockets and weapons that armed the former USSR, its still there and still builds rockets. Ukraine as you all know or should do, agreed to give them up in the 90,s, although 1 or 2 went missing!!……………I’m told this, but can’t confirm, so don’t lose any sleep. It does however have a lot of dirty stuff hidden and stored that I do know and it is not safe.
    What else that I can say, without being arrested!. …. Head of armed services resigned cos the soldiers didn’t shot back in Crimea, although they were humiliated in their own country and needed to respond. However Russia knows it will pay a price but for now it fills its boots . Putin will take what he can get and a bit more, its his mission. If only for a strong Western leader this would not happen and we could all sleep better. Thatcher was so admired in Russia and Ukraine, Reagan was great to. As I’ve said before, never show weakness to a Russian, Never. I believe the US knows this well, but the EU seems to be a bit soft. Not seems , are!. Also let me say this. When Putin and Russia says, we won’t invade into Eastern Ukraine, its best always to expect the opposite. Hitler said the same and what did he do, that’s right, dropped bombs on Kiev and Ukraine lost 12 million lives, thereon.
    I guess you have heard of all the cash and gold being found in the former Governments safes, millions in cash and gold. I will without doubt be putting in a claim to the new energy minister for the return of several thousands of $ stolen from me.
    Someone said, ‘Oh what can we do’. Well there’s a big Ukrainian movement in the UK and worldwide, commonly known as ‘LondonMaiden, ParisMaiden etc. These people have left Ukraine, something like 7 millions in as many years and they through Facebook, lobby governments and highlight their experiences of life in Ukraine and what can help change things. Its an very powerful protest that points the finger in the right places. Its 100% peaceful as was the protests in Ukraine for 10 years before they were attacked,… and dignified.
    Mostly Russians/Ukrainians east and east get on. Don’t buy into all this Western Ukrainian Fascists, clap trap, haven’t you ever heard of Putins ‘Hitler Youth’, if you want a fascist look over there, but in reality there’s not much difference to eastern Europe and 70’s England. No ones going to change my opinion because I have lived in all regions, including England and within my family we have some very bright scholars who can dissect and explain the Ukrainian/Russian history in the most minute details. There’s just to much conspiracy flying around today………. The tensions have been artificially created to serve Mr Putin’s plan, its no secret, however if he carries on invading, there will be a massive backlash which will effect all of Europe.
    Lets pray for peace but get ready for some pain. ‘

    http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/4/3058327/ShowPost.aspx#3058327

  86. Sounds totally phony Nevermind, threats, lies. Some sort automated bot, I wonder which NSA/GCHQ program this one originates from.

    Her neighbour, but not quite on speaking terms, oh dear!

    Not to worry she’s sending her bill to the new Energy Minister. I wonder if Res Diss, Anon, Kempe, habbaduk and friends know too to send their invoices there.

    Some popular movement, it’s reduced to spamming football forums.

    Loves Mrs T too.

  87. Indeed Tony, she’s rattlin the sabre and never answers questions, sounds familiar doesn’t it?
    I invited her here, but she must have flinched reading sockets replies to Mary and others.

  88. @ Mar G. This film maker has been activ e for years and his pictures and video’s of Iraqs Kurdistan region might be of interest to you.

    http://alwandy.110mb.com/index.html

  89. sorry for mangling your name ‘Mark’ G., fasterfingersyndrome…..

  90. The t—l should get his facts straight. The Meningitis B vaccination programme has not been decided upon unless Mr Unt has been on the phone to him and has told him differently.

    ‘The JCVI says this is subject to the vaccine being made available by the manufacturer Novartis at a cost effective price. This means that further negotiations are still required before these recommendations become reality. The committee previously suggested in an interim statement for consultation last July that the vaccine would not be cost effective at any price, prompting protests from doctors, scientists and parents.’
    http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/03March/Pages/Meningitis-B-vaccine-may-be-available-on-the-NHS.aspx

    The vaccine is given in two, three or four doses according to the age of the child.

    ~~

    The greater epidemic is obesity in childhood and alcohol abuse costing £millions to treat and causing premature death.

    The ConDems were going to introduce alcohol unit pricing but fell prey to the lobby of the brewers and distillers, the Portland Group. I received a mealy mouthed reply from my MP who was actually a junior health minister at the time. The same applies to the processed food industry who products contain high levels of salt and sugar. Their lobby group is high powered too. It is shameful.

    Overweight ‘being seen as the norm’
    Being overweight is increasingly seen as the norm, England’s chief medical officer says.
    Sugar tax may be needed.
    MPs told Two million ‘may need weight op’

    Fergus Walsh Medical correspondent
    ‘Scandal’ of liver disease inaction 17:04 UK time, Tuesday, 25 March 2014
    The lack of action to tackle liver disease in the UK is “scandalous” according to a group of MPs.
    Watch Fergus’s report

    Both items on BBC website page.

  91. s/be

    The greater epidemic is obesity in childhood and adulthood….

    The same applies to the processed food industry whose products contain…

  92. @Sofia

    “Bless you. You seem to have some kind of psychic powers there, ‘cos I didn’t return till half an hour ago. I’m curious to know how I was being “so defensive” about a post that I was not to read for another eleven hours.”

    Apologies – my comments should have been aimed at others in the collective who were being defensive on your behalf.

    “As for your accusation that Orlov writes extreme nationalists/racist material. Can you point out any of his writing that can be interpreted in this light. Thanks.”

    I already have – once on this thread and also on a previous thread on Putin – seek and you shall find.

  93. “Let’s just say there are some words we can’t say any more, such as the type of demolition the WTC was.”

    Shhhh. That’s proprietary info.

  94. “Let’s just say there are some words we can’t say any more, such as the type of demolition the WTC was.”

    What, “progressive collapse”??

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_collapse

  95. “Fact is that the rising islmophobia in Europe is the common thread running through this network and our BNP, national front and Oooops, Likud are all part and parcel of it.”

    Fact(s) is :

    1. The use of the term “Islamophobia” and other pseudomedical cliches is intended to mark opponents with the stigma of mental illness or an irrational personality in order to isolate them from subsequent discussions. Commonly used by unprincipled people with diminshed capacity to reason and argue their own views.

    2. It is an utter nonsense to regard that popular religious beliefs, and in particular a certain religious belief, has absolutely no bearing on the wellbeing of a host society. If all religions are the same and all religions are inherently good, who on this blog will come to the defence of the indefensibly moronic Scientology?

    3. New Left propagandists will take isolated incidents of right wing criminality and minor electoral advances, lump them together as evidence of a coordinated movement/conspiracy, and megaphonically demand that legal and public policy measures be implemented to curtail the growth of public sympathies for right wing causes… Meanwhile, they ridicule similar observations about the fast growth of a violent religion with a violent past, currently engaged in myriad instances of political violence around the world – by labelling those observations as proof of the mythical disease of “Islamophobia”.

  96. Obama in in Saudi Arabia today apparently to mend fences following the West’s failure to attack Syria as the Saudis wished. Amazing to witness such grovelling.

    Can Obama Saudi visit stem deteriorating ties?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26758648

    I don’t think that there’s much going on in Obama’s head at the moment.

    and Kerry visits Jordan.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26747094

    ‘US Secretary of State John Kerry has interrupted a trip to Europe to press the Palestinians and Israelis to extend their peace talks as a deadline looms.
    Mr Kerry flew from Rome to Jordan’s capital, Amman, to meet Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. He also spoke by telephone with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’

    Note that Palestinian prisoners are being used by Israel as bargaining chips in the negotiations. Obscene.

  97. Good piece from Ken Loach. He must feel lonely. Few people of his calibre and principle remain.

    Labour is part of the problem, not the solution
    Its rhetoric may be softer than the Tories’, but the party still puts profit before people. Left Unity offers a new voice

    Ken Loach
    The Guardian, Thursday 27 March 2014

  98. Sofia Kibo Noh

    28 Mar, 2014 - 8:26 am

    On Dec. 17 2013, Yanukovych signed an agreement with Russia for $15 billion in loans over five years. Russia also agreed to reduce natural gas prices to the country by 33 percent. Furthermore, Russia did not require Ukraine to change any of its laws or join the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia in order to receive the loan.
 Opposition leader and genius Vitali Klitschko, had this to say about the deal with Russia: “They have given up Ukraine’s national interests, they have given up Ukraine’s independence, and they have given up perspectives of better life for all Ukrainians.

    Instead of this Ukrainians have been bounced, at a cost of $5 billion from the struggling US taxpayer and an initial $5 billion from austerity blighted Europeans, into the most savage austerity and loss of sovereignty yet. All cheered on by our leaders and their grovelling corporate media lackeys. Thanks guys ( oh, allright……and Victoria, Catherine and all)!

    “…what is also clear is that the only winner in Ukraine is austerity, Fascism, the IMF, and, of course, the world elites.”

    http://www.altheadlines.com/the-winners-of-the-ukraine-revolution-austerity-fascism-and-the-eu-13254473/

  99. Sofia Kibo Noh

    28 Mar, 2014 - 8:30 am

    Oops!

    I’ll let you work out where to put the missing inverted commas.

  100. I always read Linh Dinh on Dissident Voice and look at his photographic output which is illuminating.

    He describes what has been going on in Ukraine in his usual graphic style and concludes –

    [..]Not wanting to be accused of killing his own people, Yanukovych left his police unarmed during most the protest against his regime, and this decision cost him everything in the end. Now, the same restraint is being shown by the Venezuelan government as it is being roiled by a series of violent, American-funded and orchestrated protests that also includes sniper fires. The CIA’s well-worn playbook should be all-too-familiar by now, but since Americans are always being transfixed by the latest celebrity ass or asshole, they never notice the blood on their hands.

    Soon, however, there will also be blood on their faces, if not gushing from their bloated bellies, for this American government will not be so gun-shy when faced with the sort of civil disturbances it is so prolific at fomenting worldwide. As the world’s most promiscuous employer of violence in all its forms, micro, massive, generational, bank-enabled, smirkingly personal or drone-fired, invisibly, from the sky, Uncle Sam will not hesitate to puncture or crush anyone’s helpless body, and he won’t give a rat’s ass for world opinions.’

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/03/ukrainian-lessons/

    Linh Dinh is the author of two books of stories, five of poems, and a novel, Love Like Hate. He’s tracking our deteriorating social scape through his frequently updated photo blog, Postcards from the End of America.
    http://linhdinhphotos.blogspot.co.uk/ (link)
    He was born in Saigon, Vietnam in 1963 and came to the U.S.in 1975.9

  101. “1. The use of the term “Islamophobia” and other pseudomedical cliches is intended to mark opponents with the stigma of mental illness or an irrational personality in order to isolate them from subsequent discussions. Commonly used by unprincipled people with diminshed capacity to reason and argue their own views.”

    Quite right Jemand. Those of us old enough have seen it all before, the denigration of whole races of people with derogatory names like “wog” “nigger” “chink” “wop” “Iti” “Frog” and so on. We fought racism once and nearly beat it. The war goes on.

  102. And by the way Jemand, the term that should be condemned is “Islamists”. That equates with all the derogatory terms mentioned above. There is no more to be feared from Islam than any other religion. Furthermore there is probably good and bad in all religions (not so sure about Satanism). What is worst with slinging this mud about like “Islamists” is that governments are doing it. The BNP was bad enough.

  103. Mary, thanks for the Ken Loach link in The Guardian. I am going to this historic first conference tomorrow in the hope that out of it, in due course, will spring a new political morality. I hope that the day will come too when children are taught in schools, this is what the BBC reported during the Iraq war, and this is what happened. This is what the BBC reported about the Ukraine coup, and this is what happened. I still have faith that the planet can be saved from a grass-roots movement.

  104. I suppose I ought to rephrase “saved from a grass-roots movement” to “saved by a grass-roots movement” but I knew what I meant.

  105. “It is an utter nonsense to regard that popular religious beliefs, and in particular a certain religious belief, has absolutely no bearing on the wellbeing of a host society.”

    Jemand. 100% positive effect, 100% agree with you, and the more the ozies moan, the more they need to wake up out of their apartheid misery.

    If they find some MH370 wreckage, are they going to box it up and send it back to Malaysia. Nutters, the lot of them, except you brother.

  106. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 11:41 am

    3. New Right propagandists will take isolated incidents of Islamist criminality and minor electoral advances, lump them together as evidence of a coordinated movement/conspiracy, and megaphonically demand that legal and public policy measures be implemented to curtail the growth of public sympathies for Islam as a whole… Meanwhile, they ridicule similar observations about the encouragement of a violent religion with a violent past, currently engaged in systematic repression and ethnic cleansing at home and subversion around the world – by labelling those observations as proof of the mythical disease of “Antisemitism”.

    Reads just as well, as far as I can see, Jemand.

    “Jemand”…btw, anything to do with Yemen?

  107. “Not wanting to be accused of killing his own people, Yanukovych left his police unarmed during most the protest against his regime, ”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/20/ukraine-police-fire-protesters-kiev-video

    The speed at which history can be re-written and the readiness of people to accept the revisionists never ceases to amaze.

  108. Typical Kempe diversionary tactics. Read it again and see what’s wrong with your statement.

    “Not wanting to be accused of killing his own people, Yanukovych left his police unarmed during most the protest against his regime, ”

    I think you’re bright enough to work it out.

  109. This must’ve slipped in under the radar before RT realised what an all round nice guy Yanukovich is.

    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-police-brutality-evidence-762/

  110. Sofia Kibo Noh

    28 Mar, 2014 - 3:49 pm

    How do the conformity enforcers explain the differing outcomes in terms of numbers of dead and injured, amounts of high explosives detonated and subsequent social order and cost to their own tax-payers when the US helps to spread democracy and bring freedom in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or any of the dozens of other lucky countries that have rerceived the gift of US help compared to the disgraceful and illegal, bloodless “Russian Invasion”of Crimea.

    It’s easy to moan about Putin (Prince of Darkness) and denigrate other posters here but just imagine for a moment you have family in a place, which kind of help would you really choose? And why?

  111. Kempe, I don’t doubt there were nasty events on both sides, and you’re very selective about whether RT is a non-biased station. Certainly it has been better than the BBC over the Ukranian and Crimean issues but that’s not saying much in its favour. While nobody agrees with police brutality where ever it happens (must be something to do with a uniform) it does confirm the claim that the police were unarmed at that time. The first bullets came from snipers in January. RT, while criticising the police, said medics had identified the type of bullets extracted. And of course it is clear that because the western-funded Yatsenyuk regime will not hold an inquiry into who started and continued the shooting that, like Urmas Paet, we can all deduce who was responsible. Except you perhaps.

  112. Speaking of vaccines, Mary, there has been talk over the last few days about mass fluoridisation.

    I wonder if its proponents have read this:

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422%2813%2970278-3/abstract

  113. John Goss

    Of course you believe RT is less biased than the BBC since you believe every word that it says. Don’t you appreciate how circular your reasoning is?

  114. Kempe, I don’t doubt there were nasty events on both sides,

    This is just not true you have consistently denied any incidence of nasty events on the Russian side that have been put to you. Are there some other nasty events committed by the Russian side that you would like to draw to our attention?

  115. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    28 Mar, 2014 - 5:14 pm

    It’s not a question of either/or but rather degrees of fascism, or maybe minor points of disagreement ( I like tea, you like coffee so gfy)

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-face-of-ukraines-maidan-democrats/5375663

    “After the overthrow of Yanukovitch, Musytchko was heavily involved in acts of violence, intimidation and arbitrary measures against political opponents.

    The day after the right-wing coup, he appeared in a military uniform at the regional parliament in the Rivne administrative district brandishing a Kalashnikov. He then forced a parliamentary sitting to implement his demands. These included the provision of accommodation for his supporters in Right Sector.

    Three days later, he stormed the office of the district administrator of Rivne with a group of supporters and assaulted him on camera. The courts investigated complaints and statements according to which Musytchko and his supporters had arbitrarily confiscated cars and occupied houses.

    When the new government in Kiev issued a warrant for his arrest, Musytchko threatened Interior Minister Asakov that he would “hang by the legs like a dog and be exterminated.”

    Shortly thereafter, Musytchko was liquidated in a police operation.

    Interior Minister Asakov is a member of Yulia Timoschenko’s Fatherland Party, which is also far from squeamish in its dealings with political opponents. The Western media has portrayed Timoschenko, who made millions in the gas industry in the 1990s, as an icon of the Orange Revolution and a fighter for democracy. However, an excerpt of a telephone call between Timoschenko and her close ally Nestor Chufritch appeared on the Internet on Tuesday, which exposed the “icon” as a vulgar, unscrupulous criminal driven by hatred.”

  116. John ‘I am going to this historic first conference tomorrow in the hope that out of it, in due course, will spring a new political morality.’

    Be there for me. We cannot continue with the present corrupt system, the lies and deceit, the war mongering, the self interest of the politicians. I could go on.

    If you get a chance compliment him on his last film.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_of_%2745
    Excellent and a must see for anyone who cares about this country.

    I have just been to the local town centre and found a branch of Pret a Manger who serve nice filter coffee for 99p. I will not enter Costa(lot) Grand Metropolitan owned or Starbucks (Schulz a Zionist owns it and it is on the BDS list). I had just sat down near the entrance when this 30 year old woman entered carrying several designer carrier bags in one hand. She was wearing designer type clothes. Anyway she let the door close on a mother entering and pushing a pram with a baby in it and holding a toddler by the hand. I could not believe it and got up to help and said my piece politely to the designer addict about her lack of care for others. She looked daggers at me but did not reply.

    Similar on the bus. Two 16 year old or so schoolboys were standing in the space set aside for pushchairs and clearly marked. A young mum got on with a pushchair with two little ones in it with all the food shopping in carrier bags hanging on the handle. These boys made no effort to move out of the way. Others remained sitting in the double seat reserved for the elderly and for pushchair owners and which faces the pushchair space. In the end they had to get out of the way. They all had their bloody silly earpieces in of course.

    What has happened to people? It’s depressing.

  117. “While nobody agrees with police brutality where ever it happens (must be something to do with a uniform) it does confirm the claim that the police were unarmed at that time. ”

    It does no such thing. As is the case with para-military police forces the Ukrainian plod are armed as a matter of course. Besides even if ex-US Navy SEALS snipers were hired by Zionist Freemasons on behalf the EU to take out the odd copper or two in Kiev it doesn’t justify the police firing indiscriminately on unarmed protestors as they undoubtedly did.

  118. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 Mar, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Kempe

    “It does no such thing. As is the case with para-military police forces the Ukrainian plod are armed as a matter of course. Besides even if ex-US Navy SEALS snipers were hired by Zionist Freemasons on behalf the EU to take out the odd copper or two in Kiev it doesn’t justify the police firing indiscriminately on unarmed protestors as they undoubtedly did.”
    ________________

    I’m interested to see, Kempe, that you have seen fit to remain silent on the rôle played in these shootings by Enrique Capriles Radonski, AS Victoria Nuland, Sir Robert Cooper, Craig Murray and Old Mother Brown.
    Have you become a troll?

  119. Baal Zevul writes in mockuflection :

    3. New Right propagandists will take isolated incidents of Islamist criminality and minor electoral advances, lump them together as evidence of a coordinated movement/conspiracy, and megaphonically demand that legal and public policy measures be implemented to curtail the growth of public sympathies for Islam as a whole… Meanwhile, they ridicule similar observations about the encouragement of a violent religion with a violent past, currently engaged in systematic repression and ethnic cleansing at home and subversion around the world – by labelling those observations as proof of the mythical disease of “Antisemitism”.

    Reads just as well, as far as I can see, Jemand.

    “Jemand”…btw, anything to do with Yemen?

    – – – – –

    Way off the mark BZ.

    You can’t invert the key terms of a narrative, willy-nilly, and expect it to nullify the logic of the original. And while “Islamophobia” is indeed a political invention and mythical disease of the mind, anti-Islam is very much an extant product of clear observation, deep contemplation and honourable conviction to call things as they really are. You can discuss anti-Semitism, anti-Communism, anti-depressants, anti-lock brakes and anti-whatever all you like. They all exist, but not “Islamopobia”.

    Incidents of Islam-motivated violence (not to be confused with violence committed by Muslims for other reasons) are not isolated. They are unified by a common understanding that calls on Muslims to never tolerate being a minority in any land they call home. It doesn’t require all Muslims to be active – just an aggressive minority who has the ancilliary support, tacit approval or fearful compliance of the remaining majority. In fact, this is how it works for all despotic, tyrannical and oppressive regimes. Think North Korea. Think Nazi Germany. Think Pinochet’s Chile. Think!

    Right wing politicos will certainly exploit public anxiety over rapid growth rates of local Islamic communities and various violent incidents involving Muslims, regardless of whether it is religiously motivated or not. Right wingers are no less obnoxious in their exploitation of public ignorance than are the New Left control-freaks. But the New Left have a large political investment in the nice sounding but dubiously obscure concept of “multiculturalism”. They are required to apologise for Islamist violence because to condemn it would be a catastrophic admission of failure.

    Lastly, I do not understand your final line. Do you imagine that you are peeping behind a my veil?

  120. Resident Dissident

    28 Mar, 2014 - 8:20 pm

    “I have just been to the local town centre and found a branch of Pret a Manger who serve nice filter coffee for 99p. I will not enter Costa(lot) Grand Metropolitan owned or Starbucks (Schulz a Zionist owns it and it is on the BDS list).”

    Is that the same Pret a Manger that is 33% owned by Bridgepoint Capital the rapacious US private equity firm, who bought their stake from MacDonalds and treats its employees like dirt?

    http://boingboing.net/2012/12/08/pret-fires-longstanding-employ.html

  121. That’s another one off the list then. The private equity tentacles are long and sticky. You will find Lord Patten of Barnes on the advisory board. Also Milburn the NuLabour traitor who continued Major’s PFI privatisation pioneered by Lamont, the Thatcher Treasury minister and the Major Chancellor. NuLabour gave way to these cruel ConDems. Plus Stuart Rose ex M&S is also there having found a new niche.

    Bridgepoint Capital have interests in the health sector. They bought out Care UK, now in receipt of large NHS contracts, which was owned by John Nash who is now a Cameron peer and Tory donor. Latterly made an Education Minister.

    http://www.bridgepoint.eu/en/investment-portfolio/ Healthcare sector/London office

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fury-tory-party-donors-handed-3123469

    They resemble death watch beetles eating away at the fabric of our society until only sawdust remains.

    Q. Not sure you are correct about Bridgepoint being US owned. Wikipedia has them as ‘pan European’.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgepoint_Capital

  122. I misspelt the name of the Starbucks owner. It is Schultz.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schultz

  123. Resident Dissident

    28 Mar, 2014 - 9:38 pm

    When it comes to coffee all of the chains are to be avoided – try somewhere locally owned if they haven’t already been priced off the high street – the prices will be lower and the coffee better.

  124. The State broadcaster has made no comment on this story, although Ms Miller’s expenses claims for her second home in which her parents have lived have been the subject of reports for a long time.

    She’ll have to go before the election!

    The Torygraph and Sky News so far. They don’t like her. Leveson rankles.

    Maria Miller’s £1m profit on taxpayer-funded home
    Culture Secretary expected to be told to pay back thousands of pounds claimed in expenses for Wimbledon property she designated as second home
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/10730894/Maria-Millers-1m-profit-on-taxpayer-funded-home.html

    Maria Miller ‘Will Have To Repay Thousands’
    The Culture Secretary will reportedly be told to repay up to £5,000 over expenses claims for a house she sold for a £1.2m profit.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1233803/maria-miller-will-have-to-repay-thousands

  125. A Muslim PhD student at Yale describes his experiences with BLiar who was a guest lecturer there in 2009. We learn nothing new about the psychopath.

    [..]On the other hand, I felt it my moral obligation that I not leave this class and end this semester without bringing up the past. While I realized that it would not change anything that had happened, I wanted to have a clear conscience and be able to speak my mind on this issue. But I also wanted to see:

    1) if Blair had any regrets regarding his decision,

    2) if he realized that his actions seemed to demonstrate to many people the hypocrisy of democracy when a majority of his own people opposed the war, yet he so stubbornly brought his country into this conflict against the will of his people,

    3) and, lastly, if he understood that his perception in the Middle East, and in fact in many parts of the world, as a man of war, actually made it impossible for him to be an ‘Envoy of Peace’ in the Middle East.

    With regards to the last point, I was trying to get the point across that his new-found role as ‘Special Envoy of the Quartet’ to try to solve the Palestinian crisis was viewed as a big practical joke by pretty much all players in the region.

    Although it was extremely uncomfortable to get to this topic, alḥamdulillāh in the very last class (with the help of certain classmates whom I had prompted) I did manage to raise all of these issues and more with him. I tried my best to be firm and keep my cool, but despite all my attempts, my bluntness did fluster him considerably (as even my friends attested to). To summarize the entire ten minute back-and-forth, as is to be expected, Blair does not regret his decision at all (‘In the end of the day we got rid of an evil dictator’). He felt that his decision was in fact democracy in action, for if the people disagreed they could vote him out (which they eventually did). And he did not believe that his perception in the Middle East was that bad (no comment), for wherever he went he was thanked by the people of Iraq (to which I replied he should meet people on the street rather than hand-picked spokespersons). He firmly believed that he was a perfect person to be EU’s special envoy to the Middle East.’
    /..
    http://muslimmatters.org/2009/02/04/to-blair-or-not-to-blair-that-is-the-question/

  126. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Mar, 2014 - 8:39 am

    “A Muslim PhD student at Yale describes his experiences with BLiar who was a guest lecturer there in 2009. We learn nothing new about the psychopath.”
    _________________________

    So if we learn nothing new, why are you posting? Therapy?

  127. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Mar, 2014 - 8:44 am

    “That’s another one off the list then. The private equity tentacles are long and sticky. You will find Lord Patten of Barnes on the advisory board. Etc, etc, etc….”
    ___________________

    Yoy have to admire the old girl, don’t you :) The way she got out of that one and then, doing a swift U-turn, used it as a springboard to dish out more dirt on Bridgepoint Capital.

  128. ‘Which is EXACTLY why it’s splendid news that the jab will henceforth be offered on the NHS and therefore FREE.

    Aren’t you pleased about that?’

    As I have already said, it has not yet been decided. It is dependent on the DoH and the manufacturer agreeing the price. The vaccine is given in either 2 or 3 doses depending on the age of the child plus a booster for some. Sounds pricey in terms of administering it.

    You can bone up here.
    http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/medicines/human/medicines/002333/human_med_001614.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac058001d124

    ‘Bexsero is given by deep injection into a muscle, preferably into the shoulder muscle, or into the thigh muscle in children under two years old. In adults and adolescents aged 11 and over, two injections are given (at an interval of at least one month). In younger children, two injections are given (at an interval of at least two months), except in infants aged between two and five months who receive three injections (at intervals of at least one month). Children under two years old also receive an additional booster dose (at a time point determined by age).’

  129. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Mar, 2014 - 10:34 am

    “As I have already said, it has not yet been decided. It is dependent on the DoH and the manufacturer agreeing the price. The vaccine is given in either 2 or 3 doses depending on the age of the child plus a booster for some. Sounds pricey in terms of administering it.”
    _______________________

    After the caning you got, Mary, I’m surprised you’ve popped up again with the meningitis B vacccination. Not the bad-loser syndrome, surely?

    Anyway, to the substance. Worry not, a price will be agreed.

    As to your “sounds pricey in terms of administering it”, what’s that supposed to mean? You don’t like the fact that it needs to be administered two or three times? You object to the call on a nurse’s time? If so, that’s what nurses are paid to do from the public purse (amoung other things).

    Or are you simply against this particular vaccination? If so, I suggest you find the parent of a child who’s had meningitis B (or died from it) and discuss further, either in, person or on the internet, with him/her.

    When in a while, stop digging.

  130. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Mar, 2014 - 10:36 am

    s/be “when in a hole”

  131. Four very pathetic posts in a row there addressed to me. Old habits seem to die hard. There is a repetition happening.

    ‘Drop it’, as I say to the dog.

  132. I’ve detected a change in the media since Obama visited Saudi Arabia. Yesterday, Channel 4 were condemning SA leadership on women’s rights… and the hypocrisy about trade before rights… with RT similarly condemning them regarding gay rights. Now Catherine Ashton is daring to speak out about “right Sector”.

  133. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    29 Mar, 2014 - 4:02 pm

    http://seeingtheforest.com/why-did-we-invade-iraq-2/

    “With the Russian takeover of Crimea we are seeing just a bit of the damage done to the world by the invastion of Iraq. We used to be able to say, with some authority, “This is wrong, you shouldn’t do it.” But now everyone can say, “What are you talking about? You invaded Iraq based on a bunch of obvious lies.”

    Redemptive self-awareness escapes Obama.

  134. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    29 Mar, 2014 - 4:14 pm

  135. This is the sort of café we should all encourage to set up in our towns.

    Chef Adam Smith serves up food deemed past its best. His Pay As You Feel Cafe in Leeds offers delicious meals made from ingredients discarded by the city’s various food establishments. It might be steak, soup – or just a cup of tea. Not only does it save perfectly good food from ending up in landfill, this inspiring little cafe (temporarily closed for refurbishment but opening again soon) is also helping to feed locals in need: facebook.com/PAYFcafe
    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/video/2014/mar/27/cafe-food-past-sell-by-date-video

  136. @Ben_Scot. Turkey is abusing the spirit, if not the actualite, of NATO membership. There is no way that a small country like Syria would attack a regional power on its doorstep, and the rest of NATO being called to come to its aid seems quite ridiculous.

  137. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    29 Mar, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    Peacewisher; I was implying the wheels within wheels of international strategies. Russia is being punished for it’s support for Syria, under the guise of International law. Plus, i infer a connection between NATO, Sevastapol and Tartus, Russia’s only ice-free ports in those shipping lanes via the Mediterranean.

    Plus, neither NATO or Russia is capable of fighting on multiple fronts. It’s all threats and bluster, but it’s a dangerous game of bluff.

  138. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Mar, 2014 - 11:08 pm

    Ben

    “Plus, i infer a connection between NATO, Sevastapol and Tartus, Russia’s only ice-free ports in those shipping lanes via the Mediterranean.”
    ____________________

    Glad to see that you’ve learnt something since the last time, when you posted that Sevastopol and Tartus were Russia’s only ice-free ports – period.

    Someone – probably Resident Dissident or Anon – corrected you and, mirabile dictu, you have taken the correction on board.

    There is hope yet for you, Ben.

  139. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Mar, 2014 - 12:43 am

    Breaking News:

    DARK FORCES JOIN UKRAINE PRESIDENTIAL RACE

    As if things weren’t bad enough with Right Sector and Svoboda running amok, it seems an altogether more sinister force is now active, and running for the Ukrainian presidency.

    Don’t say I didn’t warn you!

    http://rt.com/news/vader-presidential-hopeful-ukraine-885/

    More Breaking News:

    TROLL BORES HIMSELF TO DEATH

    I will never forget him, and I’ve written this poem in his memory. (Apologies to the ghost of Oliver Goldsmith)

    Ode to Dad.

    Upon yon struggling laptop taped away
    With keen intent to upset and dismay
    There, in his noxious manner, skill’d and rude,
    The old blogmaster sought to hush and rule;
    A man most drear he was, without a clue,
    I knew him well, as any daughter knew;
    Well had the trolling wreckers learn’d to trace
    The day’s distractions arrogant and base;
    Full well they laugh’d with counterfeited glee,
    At all his jokes, for many a joke had he:
    Full well the busy whinger searched and found,
    Conveying insults for to hound.
    Yet in his mind from endless contradiction wrought,
    His fevered accusations quite unsought.
    The village all declar’d how much he knew;
    ‘Twas certain he could write, and cipher too:
    Correctness he could measure, attitudes proscribe,
    And motives dark and evil then ascribe.
    In argument this person own’d his skill,
    For e’en though vanquish’d he could argue still.
    And words of tedious length he always found
    Dumbfounding gazing bloggers rang’d around;
    And still they gaz’d and still the wonder grew,
    That one small head could have so loose a screw.
    All others knew his game. His tedious plot
    Which marked him simply as a dull crackpot.

  140. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Mar, 2014 - 9:18 am

    Bloody Grownups!

    The clocks go back an hour and you all, Eminences and Excresances to a man and woman stay in bed and sulk. What kind of example is that to impressionable innocents like me?

    When you’re up Dad. No time to waste. Buy Dollars now.

    http://wchildlog.com/2014/03/25/russia-returns-favor-sees-chinese-yuan-as-world-reserve-currency/b

    Also, good news from Iceland,

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/25/us-iceland-auroracoins-idUSBREA2O1BY20140325

  141. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Mar, 2014 - 9:42 am

  142. I was fairly unaware of how Yugoslavia died as a country. All the recent debate about Kosovo, and an enforced time at home due to a nasty virus gave me an opportunity to catch up. The BBC did an excellent series of documentaries entitled “The Death of Yugoslavia”, which has enlightened me. Milosevic seized power in Yugoslavia. He saw some Serb Radicals in Kosovo as useful idiots who would serve his cause of a Greater Serbia. He was uncompromising to the needs of Slovenia, which allowed them to break away, probably with EU encouragement. His talk of Serbian Nationalism scared Croatia, which elected their own Far Right Nationalist regional President, complete with Nazi-like insignias. The die was cast, and the war was very bloody…

    I’m sure that some EU people will have seen a parallel with Ukraine, particularly with the growth of the Far Right in Kiev and the West. Lord Carrington, at The Hague, had an excellent plan for separate republics within Yugoslavia in 1991 when Slovenia had seceded, which would probably have prevented bloodshed in Yugoslavia, but Milosevic would not accept it. Something similar is needed now in Ukraine, it seems, and there is no hopefully Milosevic figure to disrupt it. Some see Tony Blair as a hopeless sinner, but he could go some of the way to repairing his reputation if he used his skills of negotiation to bring peace and bring about a multistate or federalist solution to Ukraine. OK, I know its not going to happen, but if not Blair, then there must be someone respected on all sides… how about Gorbachov?

  143. Ba'al Zevul (Hot enough for you?)

    31 Mar, 2014 - 4:13 pm

    -here because the topic’s Blair’s killing…here’s how the killing is made.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10729538/Hillary-Clinton-agreed-to-help-Tony-Blairs-charity.html

    And D. Miliband was apparently instrumental. Blair’s AGI takes a rakeoff from giving other peoples’ money to dodgy regimes aiming to sanitise their governance, often near oilfields.

    Heritage Foundation is critical of the deal. No surprise there: it’s a neocon thinktank, partly funded by big oil. Still, good to see it falling out with neocon Tony.

  144. Resident Dissident

    31 Mar, 2014 - 8:18 pm

    “how about Gorbachov?”

    Great man that he is – he is truly detested by the Putinistas.

  145. So Al Qaida, helped by NATO-member Turkey, have launched an attack on the town of Kessab in Latakia. Not quite Erdogan’s false flag (hello MSM!) but maybe a handy bit of electioneering from this delusional thug.

    Stay strong, Syria. Stay united. The dogs are all around you, but they’re getting tired of gnawing at you. Take one look at Libya and Iraq if you need reminding what’s at stake.

  146. Ba'al Zevul (New Every Morning is the Love)

    1 Apr, 2014 - 12:21 pm

    More Blair, this time Cherie’s filling her designer boots –

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10732062/Cherie-Blairs-empire-and-its-secret-HQ.html

    Omnia Strategy describes itself on its website as a “pioneering international law firm”, able to “tackle complex problems that require an innovative and multi-disciplinary approach”.

    Last year, it applied and received from the Solicitors Regulation Authority approval to operate as an “alternative business structure”, allowing Omnia, according to the Law Society, to “provide a wider range of services to clients” than a traditional law firm.

    The firm has hired Sofia Wellesley, the granddaughter of the Duke of Wellington and fiancée of James Blunt, the Old Harrovian and former army officer turned pop singer, to grow the business. Miss Wellesley is Omnia’s head of client relations and, according to well placed sources, has in recent months been helping Mrs Blair promote her African clients in London.

    ….“alternative business structure”…

    Love it. Evidently attached to the NGO teat, where Tony goes, Cheri will devise innovative and multidisciplinary approaches to the problem of obtaining money.

  147. Ba'al Zevul (New Every Morning is the Love)

    1 Apr, 2014 - 12:28 pm

    One of Cherie’s clients (see link above):

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1281887/President-Gabon-Ali-Ben-Bongo-Ondimba-sparks-outrage-buying-85million-official-residence–PARIS.html

    I hope he can afford her “strategic counsel”. Most of his subjects can’t.

  148. II didn’t know mendacity was so liberal l in these crimes against humanity when the legality of these venturers legitimised by Cherie Blair et al are simply morally incomprehensible by the majority right minded people.
    Have faith old boy mindfulness and endearing qualities will succeed .
    Although the game being played suits only those cravenous sinners,

  149. Ba'al Zevul (New Every Morning is the Love)

    1 Apr, 2014 - 3:35 pm

    Here’s the pitch in all its nakedly offensive glory:

    http://makepovertybusiness.squarespace.com/peter-wilson/

    Wilson is Cherie’s co-director, along with another legal specialist, in Omnia Strategy.

    I think “Monetising Misery” might be better, but, hey, that’s just me.

  150. Ba'al Zevul (New Every Morning is the Love)

    1 Apr, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    Oops. Wilson resigned from Omnia in August. The Legal Futures website is out of date. Replaced by a Roxana Pierce.

    Current team:
    http://www.omniastrategy.com/?_escaped_fragment_=our-team/crfr#!our-team/crfr

  151. Ba'al Zevul (I Am The Egg Man)

    2 Apr, 2014 - 9:40 am

    More Blair –

    Faith Foundation Recruits Godbotherer’s Unemployable Son to Do Something and Grab some God-points.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594735/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Archbishop-Welbys-son-given-plum-job-Blair.html

    His USP seems to be having studied Arabic. Might come in handy –

    http://www.arabianbusiness.com/photos/the-9th-annual-arabian-business-forum-tony-blair-526146.html

    (sick bag alert)

  152. Ba'al Zevul (I Am The Egg Man)

    2 Apr, 2014 - 11:42 am

    Blair again – apparently helping to stitch up the Muslim Brotherhood, while Cameron deploys UK assets to investigate someone else’s bomber bombing someone else’s people in someone else’s country. Good piece here:

    http://patrickgaley.com/tag/tony-blair/

    “Blair was in Egypt yesterday. Today we read:

    Sir Kim Darroch, the prime minister’s national security adviser, has already started work. A key role will be played by Sir John Sawers, the current chief of the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), who served as UK ambassador to Egypt between 2001-03. Sawers, who had previously served as Tony Blair’s foreign affairs adviser in Downing Street, had strong contacts with the regime of the former president Hosni Mubarak.

    Makes sense. The team that brought us the illegal invasion of Iraq and one half of the War on Terror is backing more secular autocracy and looking at ways to implicate Islamists.

    This is an organisation that has been the target of persecution since its inception more than 80 years ago, that spent decades being rounded up and killed by successive western-backed military autocrats, that won multiple elections declared free and fair by the international community only to be forced underground by another military dictator. Its supporters have been massacred on the streets and its members rounded up and jailed without so much as a chance for the defence to step foot in court. After fleeing for their lives, MB partisans have fled Egypt.

    Yet these are the people under investigation for terrorist activity. I’m often accused of being pro-Brotherhood (I’m not, although I’m proudly anti-coup), but I cannot fathom how this is a) proportionate to events in Egypt and b) in keeping with the UK’s tradition of hosting foreign political dissidents, as MB members now are.”

  153. Ba'al Zevul (I Am The Egg Man)

    2 Apr, 2014 - 12:11 pm

    Slightly earlier piece (above is dated Tuesday) accurately analysing Blair’s relationship with Sisi –

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/robert-fisk-if-only-tony-blair-could-grasp-the-truth-about-field-marshal-sisi-9097378.html

    It was, of course, utterly inevitable that Tony Blair would back Egypt’s new authoritarian leaders.

    After all, can you imagine Blair – our very own Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara – stepping forth to offer his courageous, unstinting support to a democratically elected President overthrown in a military coup d’état? Can you imagine him condemning a General – no, I forget, General Abdel Fatah al-Sisi has just been made a Field Marshal – whose men have gunned down 1,000 protesters since last summer and who has now put the elected President on trial for his life as a “terrorist”? Ye Gods, if such bravery burned within the heart of Lord Blair, we would all suffer immediate cardiac arrest.

    Recent events have only confirmed Fisk’s view. The Al-Jazeera journalists currently imprisoned by Sisi are still in jail. Bit more on themhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/31/egypts-al-jazeera-trial-was-inspired-by-americas-global-war-on-journalism

    And the mass arrest and possible mass execution of political opponents continues:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26726901

    In total, over 1200 MB supporters, or people thought by a policeman to be so, have now appeared in front of a kangaroo court, and 583 have been sentenced to death.

    583. Makes even China’s annual record look a little inadequate. Blair supports this regime.

  154. Ba'al Zevul (I Am The Egg Man)

    2 Apr, 2014 - 2:47 pm

  155. Ba’al Can’t take much more on BLiar. Who or what is going to bring him and the rest of his pack down? There are no adequate words. Is there a God?

  156. Ba'al Zevul ( My Name Is Legion And There's Quite A Lot Of You Too)

    2 Apr, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    I’m very much afraid there’s a lot more, Mary. I have not even touched on his spiritual life, but I am sure that when fate overtakes him, he will be schmoozing both God and Myself with offers of advice on governance. I am planning a new satanic palace for myself on the strength of the spiritual bounty he will bring me. On the other hand God will be severely disappointed if he wants to refurbish the clouds and pay the angels. He’s considering bringing back indulgences, I’m told.

    On the secular side, I see that Tony, as he will no doubt insist on being called after he has pitched, screaming, into the lowermost depths of my warmest welcoming pit, is advertising for chuggers…

    http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/africa/pages/careers

    Nothing changes.

  157. I’m sure there is a God, Mary… but it is not up to God. It is up to us. There is a great quote from one of the gospels that I can’t quite recall about giving unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and giving unto God…

    I have admired Tony Benn so much more since hearing his radio programme with the late Dr Antony Clare. He understood the Christian message. The Roman Empire did eventually fall, partly through internal corruption but also through people being unbelievably brave. We’ve already seen a number of examples of “citizens arrests”, and I’m sure that is just the beginning.

  158. Ref the son of the Archbishop of Canterbury. He is a scion of a shallow pretender.

    His contributions to the TBFF below. He is just a little shill recycling the garbage and should get a proper job.

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/blogpost/syria%E2%80%99s-fragmented-extremists

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/blogpost/good-government-issue

    I note Martin Bright of the JC has blogged 5x on the BFF.

  159. Thanks Ba’al for the links and Peacewisher for your comment.

    I actually want an exterminating angel to deal with BLiar, his wife and their cabal.

  160. Ba'al Zevul (Peace!)

    3 Apr, 2014 - 10:34 am

    Further to the (surely untrue!)notion that C&T Blair International Offshore Inc’s charidee division is possibly less philanthropic than profitable, here’s Cherie again:

    http://www.philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/accenture-awards-1.7-million-to-cherie-blair-foundation-for-women

    Accenture also will provide pro-bono consulting services related to the development of training curricula and teaching videos and the program’s expansion into new regions.

    What nice people. Accenture’s speciality is, of course, outsourcing. Its clients are not the poor bloody infantry who will be taught by Cherie to do self-employed T-shirt sewing &c. The clients are people like Primark. And Accenture’s commitment to lowering operational costs is not limited to its clients. Formerly in Bermuda, it has relocated to take advantage of Ireland’s favourable (compared to the US) tax and corporate arrangements.

    An Accenture project, Brazil’s ‘Conexão’

    http://www.philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/accenture-accenture-foundations-award-3.3-million-for-job-training-in-brazil

    …” was established with a $1.1 million grant from the Accenture Foundations, has trained more than twenty-five thousand young Brazilians since 2007, approximately nine thousand of whom have entered the workforce and more than three hundred of whom have started or developed a business.”

    Unstated is whether they would have entered the workforce anyway, and what the workforce was. Maybe they got jobs here?

    http://www.nearshoreamericas.com/accenture-recife-brazil/

    What is a ‘delivery centre’? – 10 points for this. Clue: it’s nothing to do with parcels or childbirth.

    By the look of it, Accenture is taking the charity route to training cheap workforces for its own operations and hence providing a service for corporations. It punts astonishing sums of money worldwide on this, and the charidee bit makes it look less like a rapacious, exploitative, and wholly unnecessary middleman. That’s what I think, Cherie. I’d love to see your Cayman account.

  161. Ba'al Zevul ( Happily Trollblocked)

    3 Apr, 2014 - 12:48 pm

    Oh, and (last year, 5 years after Tony accepted £80M from Pinchuk for his Feith (sic) Foundation…:

    http://yes-ukraine.org/en/news/bill-klinton-i-toni-bler-vistuplyat-na-10-y-yaltinskiy-shchorichniy-zustrichi-20-veresnya-2013-roku

    The 10th Yalta Annual Meeting “Changing Ukraine in a Changing World: Factors of Success” will be taking place at the historic Livadia Palace in Yalta, Ukraine, from 19th to 22nd September, 2013. More than 250 leaders from politics, business, society and media representing 20 countries will discuss global challenges and their impact on Ukraine, Wider Europe and the world.

    Forewarned doesn’t seem to have been forearmed, does it? Note the sponsor.

    Poor Tony. Another magic project gone south. Still, y’know, he backed the dictator in Egypt, and that seems to be going ok.

  162. Can’t see any mention of Ms Nuland there!

    http://yes-ukraine.org/en/news/bill-klinton-
    i-toni-bler-vistuplyat-na-10-y-yaltinskiy-shchorichniy-zustrichi-20-veresnya-2013-roku

    Did the puffed up William Jefferson Clinton and Antony Charles Lynton Blair choose Yalta because they see themselves as having the stature of those attending the original Yalta conference?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference

    God (again) help us all if Shillary gets the next presidency.

  163. They are puffed up continually by the media, Mary, and after a while it seems that they actually believe it (!) I think we’ll soon have to add the current incumbent of the White House to the war criminals before long…. the lie about Iraq v Crimea was so off the scale that George W Bush would have been proud of it.

  164. Obomber was added to the list way back Peacewisher.

    Libya.
    Extrajudicial killing of humans by drone, etc etc

  165. Ba'al Zevul(Former Contender)

    7 Apr, 2014 - 11:37 am

    Mods – apologies for posting this twice, but I’d like people to see it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10747166/Tony-Blair-knew-all-about-CIA-secret-kidnap-programme.html

    Looks like the deniability has run out for Tone.
    The claims against Mr Blair come as the US Senate voted this week to declassify a summary of a 6,300-page report into the CIA’s rendition programme in a move that legal experts say will put added pressure on the British government to come clean about its role.

    Senator Dianne Feinstein, the Democrat chairman of the committee that conducted the research, said the “shocking” report had “uncovered the facts” behind the secret programme and could be made public within 30 days following a security review by the White House and the CIA.

    As well as the continuing criminal investigation, the British government, MI6 and Mr Straw are being sued by Mr Belhadj. In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph this week, Mr Belhadj said he was determined to pursue the British government through the courts for an apology and the truth about what happened to him – and what senior figures such as Mr Blair knew about it.

    “When he was sitting in the tent with the dictator Gaddafi, I was facing torture at the hands of my own country’s [intelligence] services,” Mr Belhadj said by phone from Tripoli, referring to Mr Blair’s meeting with the Libyan leader in March 2004.

    Mr Blair has never confirmed what he knew about the rendition programme, but has argued that Libya played a vital role in the “war on terror”. Mr Belhadj’s case was thrown out last December by a High Court judge who acknowledged that he had a “well-founded claim”, but declined to hear it, citing British government legal arguments that it would seriously damage US-UK relations.

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