Andy Myles

by craig on March 26, 2014 11:18 am in Uncategorized

One of my oldest and dearest friends has gone public on his support for Scottish Independence. I am greatly cheered by this. More thoughts later.

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  1. Hopefully it will be a landslide. Beware of mass emigration from England.

  2. I want to move to Scotland, vote “Yes” and hope for independence. If anyone knows somewhere I could stay, a room in a shared house or something, while I look for a place, please e-mail me.

  3. Off this topic but have you heard the news about Gulnara Karimova Craig? Under house arrest etc.

  4. ‘Bring power closer to the people of Scotland’ –

    That’s sound.
    That’s real.
    That’s for sure.

    Placing Scotland’s future in Scotland’s hands is something that must be done.

  5. As am I, having known him from University days. I was especially heartened by his coherent reasoning in making what, for him, will have been a difficult decision but, having been made, will lift a weight I’m sure

  6. Apparently the UK has the 5th highest ‘defense’ spending after the US, China, Russia and Saudi Arabia. No way an independent Scotland would continue that obscene profligacy.
    Let’s hear more publicity about the Peace Divident.

  7. If the people of Scotland vote for independence from the UK, I will respect their decision. But I hope they vote to stay in the UK.

  8. Abe, and when the people of Scotland vote against independence, I hope the Nat Socs on here will respect their decision.

  9. Node: “Apparently the UK has the 5th highest ‘defense’ spending after the US, China, Russia and Saudi Arabia. No way an independent Scotland would continue that obscene profligacy.”

    That is because an independent Scotland would be about as relevant on the world stage as Moldova, and probably as well off.

  10. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:27 pm

    “I hope the Nat Socs on here will respect their decision.”

    Saw what you did there. But gather round, and I’ll tell you about the 1745 Anschluss

  11. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:30 pm

    “That is because an independent Scotland would be about as relevant on the world stage as Moldova, and probably as well off.”

    As Fred would say, can I see your figures? And are they based on the assumption that the freedom n’ democracy flagflappers round here would respect a Yes decision to the extent of not interfering in Scotland’s new international alignment?

  12. Anon 26 Mar, 2014 – 1:25 pm

    “That is because an independent Scotland would be about as relevant on the world stage as Moldova, and probably as well off.”

    Good. Suits me.
    Do you approve of the UK spending so much on ‘defence’ when we can’t afford to maintain our infrastructure?
    If so, why?

  13. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:31 pm

    …or grab the Hebrides back?

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/russia-stages-exercises-in-breakaway-moldova-region-of-transnistria-20140326-zqmyi.html

    Moldova’s not the best example you could have chosen, is it?

  14. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/10/scotland-land-rights

    It’s political independence which will be wholly orchestrated from the present dichotomy.
    The big decisions on revenue and expenditure should be transparent and the ability of Scotland’s independence to restructure should not be in doubt. For the ability of the British parliament, we can all question in our language.

  15. Ben-William Wallace

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:38 pm

    “Lang may yer lum reek”

  16. It’s political independence which will be wholly orchestrated from the present dichotomy.
    The big decisions on revenue and expenditure should be transparent and the ability of Scotland’s independence to restructure should not be in doubt. For the ability of the British parliament, we can all question in our language.

    You do to the English language what Cumberland did to the Highlands.

  17. Wonder if the articles about the ship-building of those two aircraft carriers at Rothsay has anything to do with it – what would be left in some limbo if Scotland breaks up Britain?

  18. doug scorgie

    26 Mar, 2014 - 2:03 pm

    Ben-William Wallace
    26 Mar, 2014 – 1:38 pm

    “Lang may yer lum reek”

    Tell Ben tae come ben. If Ben doesnae come ben, tell Ben I’ll be ben to bring Ben ben.

  19. Ben-William Wallace

    26 Mar, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    “A’m leukin swatchin for John.”

    Sorry. That’s the extent of my vocabulary. :)

  20. One thing is for certain if a majority of us here in Scotland do vote Yes in September, we can kiss goodbye to future Royal Navy contracts. The rUK government will re-open the Portsmouth yard to massive acclaim while what is left of Scotland’s heavy industry goes down the pan.

    Good job there is so much talk from the SNP about a ‘fairer society’ ie. enhanced welfare and benefits as there will be many who are going to require that safety net.

  21. pete fairhurst

    26 Mar, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    You Scots are being conned by your so called “Independence”

    * The Queen will still be your head of state. Long rule the Saxe Coburg Gotha’s! [not] Wise up the power of the crown

    * You will not have your own money. So you will be enslaved in the western debt based money system still

    Don’t tell me that you will change this later on. That is just wishful thinking. And disingenuous too. If that is what you intend then it should be on the ballot

    The globalists always want to divide and rule. They want you to be “Independent”. Please don’t fall for their con

  22. http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-andy-myles/21/754/643

    Be interested to know what he thinks of the LD creeps occupying ministerial jobs in the cruel coalition we were landed with.

    See my links on the deteriorating NHS on the previous thread. One example yet alone the warmongering in Libya and the attempt to do the same in Syria, etc etc.

  23. “Apparently the UK has the 5th highest ‘defense’ spending after the US, China, Russia and Saudi Arabia. No way an independent Scotland would continue that obscene profligacy.
    Let’s hear more publicity about the Peace Divident.”

    Yes I know people here who are in the armed forces and part of that money feeds their wives and children.

    Defence supports a lot of families in Scotland.

  24. “* You will not have your own money. So you will be enslaved in the western debt based money system still”

    Scotland already have their own currency, independent of the rest of the UK, not controlled in any way by the Bank of England.

    The Scottish pound is worth the same as a UK pound for the sole reason the issuing banks promise to pay the bearer one UK pound for one.

    This system could continue in an independent Scotland, Scotland could keep reserves of sterling to back their currency or they could decide to back their currency with something else. The only difference is that Scotland would have to fund their own lender of last resort and the UK tax payer wouldn’t be forced to bail out Scotland in the event of economic collapse.

  25. fred 26 Mar, 2014 – 3:35 pm

    “Defence supports a lot of families in Scotland.”

    Spend the peace dividend on hospitals and schools – let those ‘defence’ workers be nurses and teachers.

  26. My best wishes to the Scots in whatever they choose.

    I should say though, in my experience independence movements are rarely, if ever, the endogenous affairs many imagine.

    Craig recently denied the large part played by the West in fomenting the Ukrainian coup.

    Here however is a detailed analysis of how the West organised that coup:

    “Meet the Americans Who Put Together the Coup in Kiev”

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/march/25/meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev.aspx

    Beware billionaires bearing freedom and democracy.

  27. “Spend the peace dividend on hospitals and schools – let those ‘defence’ workers be nurses and teachers.”

    To be honest I don’t think my friends would make good nurses or teachers, that’s why they joined the navy.

  28. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 4:55 pm

    Anon

    “Abe, and when the people of Scotland vote against independence, I hope the Nat Socs on here will respect their decision.”

    ______________________

    It depends what you mean by “respect”, Anon.

    In practical terms they will respect it, of course, if only because they have no say and no influence in the wider world outside the bubble of this blog. They will have no choice but to respect it.

    But in mental terms they will of course not respect it. As various posts on previous threads have already shown, they will find a hundred and one reasons for claiming that the referendum was unfair (threats, media bias, disinformation, etc etc zzzzzz…).

    *****************

    PS – teacher’s apple for Mr John Goss (first comment on this thread, posted a mere 21 minutes after the thread opened)

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 5:06 pm

    Herbie reveals something interesting:

    “I should say though, in my experience independence movements are rarely, if ever, the endogenous affairs many imagine.”
    ___________________

    I had no idea that you had experience of independence movements, Herbie!

    Would be fascinated to get more detail – which independence movements do you have experience of? And what was your rôle in them?

  30. Vote #1 Free Scotland
    Free of England, London and Downing Street
    Free of external interference, mulicultural fantasies and Islamic infection
    Free of European carpet baggers
    Free of delusions of grandeaur
    Free

  31. Habby

    I’m quite content that you remain as ignorant on this as on everything else.

    I’ll just put you down as a middling level operative.

    Thanks for the tell.

  32. I myself believe Scotland’s independence is conducive to human evolution in a world now dominated by a weak, frivolous symmetry.

    The old form has vanished, replaced by a framework of greed, selfishness, competition and war. The center of this framework is the City of London, the laundry of commerce, a monolith of distorted power that has burned out the single market in an effort to support the British currency. Competitive challenges are becoming obsolescent such that market integration is championed by exchange, good-will trade and respect for dwindling resources.

    It is this respect for life and our partners that can for instance strengthen our security in a way that returns ‘bipolar unemotional coalition wars’ to the waste bin of history.

    The interdependence of English and Scottish families, friends, ideas, institutions and identities has composed a strong bond that will remain, developing further towards an enriched and homogeneous coupled society working together in a wise, thoughtful and intelligent way inspired by an exciting, exhilarating period of fresh, neoteric and ground breaking ideas from a Scotland liberated from terminal illness.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/04/against-scottish-independence-no-vote_n_4895582.html

  33. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 5:33 pm

    Herbie

    Your modesty is most becoming, but don’t you feel you owe it to your many admirers on this blog to tell them which independence movements you have “experience of”?

    Surely such information would only serve to enhance your credentials? After all, you made the claim in order to enhance them, didn’t you?

  34. Building carriers at Roth(e)say would be brilliant for the local economy, alas they are in fact constructed in Rosyth!

  35. Habby

    You’re quite welcome to dispute the proposition.

    Are independence movements invariably exogenously produced affairs, or no.

    Then you can deal with the evidence of Western intervention in the Kiev coup:

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/march/25/meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev.aspx

  36. Oh, dear! I will be flabbergasted if a smidgen of benefit accrues to the population of this country from this sideshow. The suggestion that politicians are interested in returning power to the people is clearly ridiculous. They would be talking themselves out of jobs if they were – advocating the reduction of their own numbers, not their increase. Whoever thinks we need more of the homicidal, kleptocratic buggers establishing their little fiefdoms about the place clearly likes paying taxes more than I do. I would also point out that we could degenerate into an array of city-states if we were daft enough (as perhaps some people no doubt are) – that would be something to look forward to.

    Genuine best wishes to all and try not to allow yourselves to be duped. After all, people like me, Craig Murray and, I suppose, Andy Myles will be all right anyway no matter what happens.

  37. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 6:31 pm

    Herbie

    “Habby

    You’re quite welcome to dispute the proposition.

    Are independence movements invariably exogenously produced affairs, or no.”
    ____________________

    I’d love to debate with you, Herbie, but it’d be a pointless exercise because I’d be completely outclassed by someone who, after all, has personal “experience of” independence movements!

    Just as a matter of interest though, Herbie, which are the independence movements you claim to have “personal experience of” (your post at 4.46pm)?

    Failure to inform might just lead readers to think that you were telling ….porkies. LOL

  38. “Vote #1 Free Scotland
    Free of England, London and Downing Street
    Free of external interference, mulicultural fantasies and Islamic infection
    Free of European carpet baggers
    Free of delusions of grandeaur
    Free”

    It’s this kind of bigoted and narrow-minded outlook that gives the yes campaign such a bad name.

  39. OK, habby.

    I’ll just note your reluctance to engage the argument, as per usual, and of course we can leave readers to judge as they see fit.

    Fine by me.

  40. “I myself believe Scotland’s independence is conducive to human evolution in a world now dominated by a weak, frivolous symmetry.”

    So how come they call it devolution then?

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 6:55 pm

    Daniel

    I wonder if Richard wasn’t spoofing….?

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 6:58 pm

    Herbie

    Yes indeed, note away and enjoy, you doughty experiencer of untold (and inidentified) independence movements! LOL

    Oink! Oink!

  43. Mark ‘The old form has vanished, replaced by a framework of greed, selfishness, competition and war. The center of this framework is the City of London, the laundry of commerce, a monolith of distorted power that has burned out the single market in an effort to support the British currency. Competitive challenges are becoming obsolescent such that market integration is championed by exchange, good-will trade and respect for dwindling resources.’

    A case in point was just illustrated on BBC London News ref Thames Water’s capital works and their intention to charge the customers for the cost. A multiplicity of companies lies behind Thames Water and the main shareholders are Macquairie Bank (Australia),China’s Investment Corporation, Abu Dhabi and other pension funds (foreign owned). Collectively these shareholders have taken £2bn in dividends since 2006. These dividends could be paying for renewal of the mains and sewerage systems and for the Thames relief tunnel.

    It was particularly galling to be reminded of the existence of the Metropolitan Water Authority, the publicly owned water and sewerage provider pre Thatcher.

    Coming shortly on iPlayer towards the end http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03yvtqk

    ‘Thames Water is regulated under the Water Industry Act 1991 and is owned by Kemble Water, a consortium formed in late 2006 by Australian-based Macquarie Group’s European Infrastructure Funds specifically for the purpose of purchasing Thames Water. Other large shareholders in recent years include: BT Pension Scheme (13%), the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority (9.9%) and the China Investment Corporation (9%).’
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Water

    Thames Water ‘customers’ including me. Our bills are going up with a bang.

  44. Farage and Clegg face to face on Sky News if anyone is interested.

  45. Disrupter, diverter, as per usual.

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 7:14 pm

    Mary writes:

    “It was particularly galling to be reminded of the existence of the Metropolitan Water Authority, the publicly owned water and sewerage provider pre Thatcher.”
    ___________________

    Erm, would that be the same Water Authority that spend decades NOT renewing London’s sewers, with the result that many of them are crumbling away fast?

    Surely not!

  47. As the methodology becomes more apparent, it is more amusing than porblematic. :)

  48. problematic..

  49. Habbabkuk, you are showing your historical ignorance. Herbie stood alongside Wallace at Stirling Bridge and later, with Gandhi, agitated against the British throughout the ‘Quit India’ movement. A leading Republican commander during the Troubles, in recent years he has offered his considerable experience in support of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Ba’athist regimes of Iraq and Syria, and lately the SNP.

  50. A node re Scotland resembling Moldova: “Good. Suits me.”.

    Have you thought about leafleting for the Yes campaign on this particular point, Node? I mean, it’s bound to be a winner with the electorate!

  51. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    Anon

    I stand abashed, discombobolated and yet seized with admiration. Admiration on the one hand for your historical grasp and detective skills, and on the other for Herbie’s drive, energy, commitment and, yes, courage. And also for his modesty – why, but for you, this blog and I would forever have remained in ignorance of Herbie’s personal “experience in independence movements”!

    Many thanks!

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 8:23 pm

    Old Metropolitan Water Authority (R.I.P.) : absurdly low prices; few sewer repairs despite no need to pay dividends to shareholders.

    New Thames Water : higher prices; pays shareholders (including your pension funds) dividends while at the same time putting billions into much-needed sewer repairs.

  53. Both painful and appalling.

  54. My piece on the rip off crowd at Thames Water seems to have been worthy of producing two inane responses which gives me the opportunity of providing further information.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/nov/10/utilities-water-bills

    There is a network of 47 active companies linked to Thames Water at RG18DB.

    http://companycheck.co.uk/search/results?SearchCompaniesForm%5Bname%5D=THAMES+WATER&yt0=

    ‘Oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.’
    Sir Walter Scott Marmion 1808

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 9:44 pm

    Mary

    Why a “rip-off crowd” and why was my post “inane”?

    You know as well as I do that water was fantastically underpriced (the water companies were public utilities and successive govts didn’t want to piss of voters) – which was one of the reasons why next to no money was spent on maintaining, renewing and upgrading crumbling sewer systems (many of which had been left untouched since the Victorian age).

    Sure the price has gone up since the 1980s – as has the price of everything else, and as have wages. And money is being invested in sewer infrastructure at long last. Fact.

  56. Anon 26 Mar, 2014 – 7:41 pm

    I answered your question but you didn’t answer mine. Here it is again:

    Do you approve of the UK spending so much on ‘defence’ when we can’t afford to maintain our infrastructure?

  57. Good to see you posting again so prolifically, Craig. Popping in to see what I’ve missed – plenty, it seems!

    Interesting to see Galloway come out so strongly against independence. I don’t follow what he does particularly closely, but like some here I have mixed views about him, right though he’s been on Iraq. It’s going to feel odd – for both him and the Establishment that despises him – to have so much now to agree about.

    I do think his argument is worth examining, though I am not sure “more of the same” is a good recipe for surviving neoliberalism (or representing Scotland well at the EU). But here it is (from the Guardian):

    Scotland’s presence in the union acts as a brake on the more swivel-eyed free-marketry that runs riot in the Conservative party, partly thanks to the 58 non-Tory MPs it sends to Westminster. If independence comes, what remains of the UK will face Tory government “in perpetuity” and be run on the basis of economic liberalism gone truly mad. The only way for its new neighbour to keep up will be to join in a race to the bottom – which, says Galloway, the SNP will be only too happy to do.

    For me, that’s an interesting view, even though I am minded to disagree with it. But I wonder, for folks here who believe the financial elite want to shift the UK towards an unfettered neoliberal economic model, would independence worsen austerity policy and widen the wealth gap in England? Indeed, if we think it might, would that be a reason to suggest that Scotland should remain in the union?

  58. When you guys are finished with your Forrest Gump impressions and bathos, any chance of addressing the issue.

    Here it is again.

    Whilst I wish the Scots well, I fear that absent a collapse in the UK, they will not be allowed to seccede other than with strong external support.

    At the moment that probably means the US or EU.

    As I’ve said before I don’t quite see why EU apparatchiks would not welcome the splitting of member states, since that increases central control of power, which is what they’re all about of course.

    ================================

    I suggested recently that habby may have worked at the EU. I’m now much more convinced that he’s former FCO. Definitely British. He’s admitted to drafting speeches and whatnot for the likes of Baroness Golly Gosh. Apparently he’s an expert at that. Would explain a lot too.

    I’m now wondering is he that other former UK ambassador. You know. The horrible one. And am amused by the idea that even he finds his blog so boring that he’s always over here.

  59. I have often wondered if he is Charles Crawford of Blogoir fame!

  60. Great minds, Mary. Great minds.

    You see, I think Craig knows habby. It was just an exchange they had once.

    Habby was up to his usual personalising diversionary tactics, people were rightly complaining and habby addressed Craig, asking him was he OK with his commenting here, and Craig came back with a kind of weary OK.

    There was just something a bit over familiar and presumptious about it, as if he already knew the answer.

    But yes. He’s got his own blog. It’s not very good. So he’s jealous of Craig and he’s over here trying to wreck poor old Craig’s blog.

    That’s what they’re like, these people. Always jealous of what the other chap’s got. Horrible, horrible people.

  61. Resident Dissident

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:03 pm

    Just heard the first argument for Scottish Independence that gets anywhere near being convincing – George Galloway is against it, but reassured that Mr Goss is now on the opposite side of the debate.

    More seriously can anyone thing of a case where encouraging more nationalism rather than dampening down has ever been a force for good.

  62. So you and Andy finally made up? Congratulations!

  63. You can always say sorry.

  64. Hullo Jon…good to see ya still aroon…

    i can see some of your points… but –

    But I wonder, for folks here who believe the financial elite want to shift the UK towards an unfettered neoliberal economic model, would independence worsen austerity policy and widen the wealth gap in England? Indeed, if we think it might, would that be a reason to suggest that Scotland should remain in the union?

    i have wondered about this…how would the Elite allow it ( independence ) But the thing is…it aint for the Criminal Elite to Decide…. Rather the people of Scotland… Or Should Be. Obviously.

    Rd …Come on…is that not a daft Question….

    Perhaps a better question would be –

    ” can anyone think of a case where encouraging more nationalism rather than dampening down has ever been a force for good…. DEPENDING OF COURSE ON SIZE OF A NATION / ISLAND…

    But going back to your original Question…. whether it be a nation of just many hundreds… or just a few thousands…Yes i can think of a few examples.

  65. I’m Scottish (insofar as i was labelled thus at birth and i had no input on that).

    I’ve not really decided yet although,as a principle,i think all countries should have the right to self-determine thus i’m veeeeeering towards the Yes camp.

    I have one major worry though:

    If Scotland votes to seperate then for those who think Westminster has a big enough say presently it’s gonna get much worse after independence.

    It’s just that Scotland will be overrun by shadowy London spook types(moreso than it is already) seriously trying to destabilise and control.

    That worries me alot.

  66. @Jon 26 Mar, 2014 – 10:00 pm

    Hi Jon,

    Nice to hear from you.

    I have more time for Galloway than most on this blog. Sure I disagree with a lot of his ideas, but then again I’ve never found anybody that I’m in total agreement with. In fact I’ve never known any two people who totally agreed with each other.

    The world as presented by the MSM is a lie, an illusion created and maintained by clever, subtle people with powerful tools. There are probably enough clues in the public domain for an intelligent person to piece together the truth, but distinguishing all those clues from the lies, misinformation and false histories is practically impossible. My own awakening began about 20 years ago, and I thought then I had a pretty good idea of how it all worked. But 19 years ago I saw through more of the illusion and realised that the 20-year old me had been pretty naive. Then 18 years ago, I found out how little the 19-year-old really understood. And every year since more scales have fallen from my eyes, exposing more of my beliefs as conditioning, more of my ‘facts’ as lies, more of my ‘knowledge as disinformation.’ That process continues to this day, and I have no reason to believe I’ve reached the end of the journey. The logical inference is that some of my beliefs are incorrect. [yes, really!]

    All truthseekers are going through the same journey and even Galloway has to sift the wheat from the chaff. He undoubtedly has access to better sources of information than me, but he probably has less time and more people determinedly trying to mislead him. He and I and everybody else on this blog have spent our lives evolving our own world models to reconcile our own beliefs with optimum consistency …. and none of our models match. We’ve all taken a different path, have a different blend of beliefs, had a different set of lies slip past our guard. Nor is he, or I, or (sorry to have to say this) anyone else on this blog perfect. We all have our individual blend of hang-ups, vanities, weaknesses, blind-spots.

    If we’re only going to respect someone who is omniscient and perfect, forget politics, try religion.

    I disagree with him about Scottish Independence – he’s spent most of his life in politics, his perspective is from Westminster. His argument is bad psychology and misses the point when he tells Scots that they shouldn’t want an Edinburgh parliament because of the detrimental effect it will have on Westminster party politics. As to the knock-on effect on Scotland of an eternal Tory Government in the rest of the UK, I believe he is ignoring the requirement of the establishment to preserve the illusion of democracy in our land. I bet that no party will ever rule Westminster for more than two terms in my lifetime – just as it has always been. And anyway, hasn’t his doom and gloom prediction “of economic liberalism gone truly mad” been a reality for 2 decades?

    So I disagree with some of his opinions, big deal, I still respect him hugely. He fights and sacrifices himself for causes which I believe in but don’t have the strength of character to do myself. He’s a Socialist, tireless supporter of Palestine, peace campaigner, and champion of the underdog. That’s good enough for me. He’s a far better man than his detractors on this blog. For all his talk, he walks the walk too.

    George, Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability.

  67. BrianFujisan

    27 Mar, 2014 - 1:59 am

    Stunning Piece of Thought A Node

    I will never forget his (GG) spanking of the Senate re Iraq sanctions…

    but i wish he’d Drop the God willing stuff… just gives his detractors amo.

    anyhoo…cheers for that A Node

  68. Jon – The waves of damaging economy in any situation are a potent force and who can ignore this incestuous lure.

    I wonder thinking in this way do we not buy into the greed, selfishness and ‘be happy’ black hole of the financially elite?

  69. @ Herbie (26 Mar, 2014 – 4:46 pm)

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/march/25/meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev.aspx

    That is a great article on Ron Paul’s site, it bears reposting.

    I do believe the movement for Scotland’s Independence is truly endogenous, all the dirty tricks and outside interference are coming from the establishment in support of the No camp. Tonight’s (Mis)Reporting Scotland had the BBC again, for the nth time, bigging-up predictable and disingenuous ‘sky will fall in’ economic scares and ‘warnings’ from the CBI. The details were fuzzy, it just seemed a made up story, an anti-independence screed fabricated on the spot as a time-filler before yet more effing football ‘news’ which predominates the whole program. There is a serious failure here to provide any actual real news, the ITV companies have been castigated for this, especially Scottish TV; in the case of Border TV there’s no need for any media study there, there might as well be no referendum taking place, its flagship ‘Lookaround’ program treats its viewers as apolitical cretins, with paint drying somewhere on the Isle of Man or a lost wheel-trim in Kendal, as exciting or controversial as it gets. The BBC however must somewhere in its charter have a stated duty to provide actual news. It wasn’t like this on STV in days of John Toye or of ‘What’s Your Problem’.

    BBC Scotland tonight also downplaying shady looking forced evictions, making it seem as if the house demolitions for the Commonwealth Games have affected just one brave woman who’s portrayed as eccentric standing up to them, but whole streets and districts of once fine imposing red-sandstone tenements, that define Glasgow, are being demolished wholesale, thousands cleared from properties which have been purposefully unmaintained and let fall into rack and ruin. Hardly anyone is aware that in a city with acute housing shortages the vast number of ‘athletes village’ houses have been constructed with no kitchens, which after the games, would be better demolished themselves as no amount of retro-fitting can tack on kitchens to rabbit-hutch never designed to have any from the outset.

    I think the BBC have over-reached in their dishonesty and half-truths, the people aren’t having it, not for a long time and never again, certainly the BBC will suffer, they are amongst the enemies within. As for fucking CBI -Boycotting these behemoths and dinosaurs must be the only way to hit back, shaming them won’t penetrate their thick skins. Big companies such as BAe are hard for consumer-based actions to target, firmly attached to the public funding teat through penetration of government itself and are effectively remote-control[l]ed arms of Westminster, we don’t many of us shop for aero-engines or frigates or fighter planes or find supporters amongst the foreign despots they arm to the hilt. The only low-hanging fruit might be BP, but the CBI has many smaller fish too. There doesn’t seem much cohesion of diaspora Scots that could have significant impact abroad, but memories are long and CBI members party to this attempted interference in Scottish politics might take note, there might be not long till the referendum, but there’s a long time, the whole future to consider after it.

  70. http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/business-for-scotland-response-to-cbi-release/

    “Today’s release from the CBI in London is an entirely one-sided misrepresentation of the business and economic evidence concerning a vote for Scottish independence. Business for Scotland – which has a membership of over 1,600 Scottish businesspeople – considers that Scotland will be better off financially with the full economic powers of independence.”

    Seems the CBI is reticent about publishing its membership list, I expect many are glad to remain in the shadows, you would think them an overtly public organisation but are a private company, conspiracy, cartel and price-fixers and engaged in such dirty tricks as employee and union activist blacklists, even with our woeful state broadcaster showing their interminably dull conferences of shiny-suited spivs, its hard to find there any respectability or relevance, the predominance of titled ‘Lords’, CBEs and other pretend titles doesn’t hide, it confirms that they’re really Crime Incorporated. Does anyone have a comprehensive list, it’s almost as shady as the mysterious Tory-supporting Midlands Industrial Council (MIC). I know Sainsburys are amongst them but probably most other UK-owned retailers are too.

    Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS), not the last but the first resort.

  71. Good to see true Liberals still support “Home Rule”. It was after all a Liberal mantra for many years.
    An interesting link on Liberals in Scotland
    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/8918-illiberal-non-democrats

  72. A Node

    Brilliant post. Thank you for that. I have made a similar journey. I’d put John Pilger alongside George Galloway.

  73. I abhor his indy fathead venality.

  74. “Seems the CBI is reticent about publishing its membership list,”

    Not half as reticent as Salmond is about publishing the budget deficit forecast.

  75. Please God. Not another Western warmonger to visit the Pope.

    ZBC said Obomber hoped to pick up some shine from the contact as his ratings are very low. Wonder why that is!

    Obama to meet Pope during Rome visit
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26761181

  76. Not forgetting GG’s overland relief convoys to Gaza. Such energy and commitment.

    I remember him being attacked on Sky News by one of the presenters, Anna Botting whom I actually like. Her attack was most likely scripted as he is always attacked by the corporate media. He gave as good as he got. Here –

    George Galloway on Sky News with Anna Botting
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMF1G-IgYj8

    Wonderful.

    Sky had another go later that year.

    George Galloway Smashes Sky PART DOUX
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXPzMssNSis

    His best ever performance at the US Senate Committee.

    George Galloway BLISTERING ATTACK on the U.S. SENATE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4LDQixpCa8

    The list is endless in the RH column on You Tube.

  77. If anyone is the least bit interested. What a line up. Wasn’t the ginger in Simply Red Cherie’s fave?

    ‘BBC Question Time will broadcast from Brighton today.

    It will be the first time the political panel show has been filmed in the city since 2012.

    On the panel for the weekly debate programme will be Conservative MP for Putney Justine Greening, Labour MP Diane Abbott, Roger Helmer UKIP MEP for the East Midlands, pop singer and songwriter Mick Hucknall and chief executive of clothing retailer Next, Simon Wolfson.

    It will be shown on BBC1 from 10.35pm.’

    Brighton Argus

    ~~

    A reminder who Hucknall is!
    http://extremelisteningmode.com/2008/05/07/fantastic-news-mick-hucknalls-back/

  78. Andy Myles continued
    : “As a liberal, I believe that sovereignty starts with the people and is passed upwards. Devolution is, on the other hand, about sovereignty being passed downwards”

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

    Tax havens need to be addressed and postal coded.

  79. Let me second all the thanks A Node for thoughts on Galloway, and special thanks too for Tony M, for his Ron Paul link. I have argued, badly it would seem from the number of converts, that the so-called popular rising was a US initiative, with links to those organisations like Swedbank, NATO, Chatham House that openly sponsored Yatsenyuk. The Ron Paul article tells how a new media outlet played its part. Yesterday we learnt that 4 main Russian TV stations had been stopped from broadcasting in this new ‘democracy’.

    “Revolution on Demand

    Arriving in the Ukrainian capital on August 3, Pyatt almost immediately authorized a grant for an online television outlet called Hromadske.TV, which would prove essential to building the Euromaidan street demonstrations against Yanukovych. The grant was only $43,737, with an additional $4,796 by November 13. Just enough to buy the modest equipment the project needed.

    Many of Hromadske’s journalists had worked in the past with American benefactors. Editor-in-chief Roman Skrypin was a frequent contributor to Washington’s Radio Free Europe / Radio Libertyand the US-funded Ukrayinska Pravda. In 2004, he had helped create Channel 5 television, which played a major role in the Orange Revolution that the US and its European allies masterminded in 2004.

    Skrypin had already gotten $10,560 from George Soros’s International Renaissance Foundation (IRF), which came as a recommendation to Pyatt. Sometime between December and the following April, IRF would give Hromadske another $19,183.

    Hromadske’s biggest funding in that period came from the Embassy of the Netherlands, which gave a generous $95,168. As a departing US envoy to the Hague said in a secret cable that Wikileaks later made public, “Dutch pragmatism and our similar world-views make the Netherlands fertile ground for initiatives others in Europe might be reluctant, at least initially, to embrace.”

    For Pyatt, the payoff came on November 21, when President Yanukovych pulled back from an Association Agreement with the European Union. Within hours Hromadske.TV went online and one of its journalists set the spark that brought Yanukovych down.”

  80. doug scorgie

    27 Mar, 2014 - 9:10 am

    And its not even April 1st yet!

    “Male university students in North Korea are now required to get the same haircut as their leader Kim Jong-un, it is reported.”

    “It seems that haircuts have been state-approved in North Korea for some time – until now people were reportedly only allowed to choose from 18 styles for women and 10 for men. Earlier, North Korea’s state TV launched a campaign against long hair, called “Let us trim our hair in accordance with the Socialist lifestyle”.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26747649

  81. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 9:28 am

    “Let us trim our hair in accordance with the Socialist lifestyle”.

    More cuts, eh? Remind you of someone else’s lifestyle? I wish the little bastard would stop calling what he does Socialism, though.

  82. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 9:40 am

    Re. Galloway’s Gaza relief convoy – yes a convoy arrived, and yes it probably did some good, and I’m not disputing that. But did it do as much good as it claimed, and how much of the cost was directly raised by Galloway’s organisation? The Charity Commission’s investigation continues…

    http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/content/16661/charity_commission_removes_galloway_spokesman_from_order_requiring_viva_palestina_to_file_accounts

    This is a thorny topic,and care in steering between Galloway’s supporters and some poisonous Israeli-BICOM propaganda is strongly advised.

    In terms of lasting advantage to the causes he supports (and I often support), I think GG is a bit of a liability, actually.

  83. An Australian reporter here in the mould of John Pilger.

    Mrs Weiss is lovely – “this land was promised to the Jewish nation by God.” No argument. She acknowledges that there was another people on the land – a difference from the PR statement of Golda Mwir who said “A land without people, for a people without land.” Always thought that slogan came from Bernays or similar.

    What hateful people. Devils, and the countless world leaders who support them are devils too.

    Stone Cold Justice Four Corners
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz8_qzdDdM4#t=418

    Published on 10 Feb 2014

    The Israeli army is both respected and feared as a fighting force. But now the country’s military is facing a backlash at home and abroad for its treatment of children in the West Bank, occupied territory.

    Coming up, a joint investigation by Four Corners and The Australian newspaper reveals evidence that shows the army is targeting Palestinian boys for arrest and detention. Reporter John Lyons travels to the West Bank to hear the story of children who claim they have been taken into custody, ruthlessly questioned and then allegedly forced to sign confessions before being taken to court for sentencing.

    He meets Australian lawyer Gerard Horton, who’s trying to help the boys who are arrested, and talks to senior Israeli officials to examine what’s driving the army’s strategy.

    The program focuses on the stories of three boys. In two cases the army came for the children in the middle of the night, before taking them to unknown locations where they are questioned. A mother of one of the boys described the scene.

    ~~~

    ‘This is a thorny topic,and care in steering between Galloway’s supporters and some poisonous Israeli-BICOM propaganda is strongly advised.’

    So why raise it? Ammo for the t—-s. I agree there about BICOM. The CC has its chairman William Shawcross, a Zionist supporter. How about the CST trustees being given anonymity by the CC. Why?

  84. John Goss: The Ron Paul link was Herbie’s originally. The sums from the ebay/paypal guy who blocked Wikileaks from Paypal and is backing Greenwald’s new news venture are greater. I think most of the estimated $5billion the US.gov pissed through various intermediaries has went on bribes.

    Net nanny mode: Topic is drifting, we’re still on the first page.

  85. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 10:02 am

    “So why raise it?”

    Why not? Don’t you like a discussion to represent differing viewpoints? Maybe “thorny” is what put you off? You think GG is cool, I think he’s a bit of a bags. Discuss.

    And your question is one I have wanted to ask you, repeatedly, but usually managed to stop myself, as some wholly irrelevant interjection, usually C&P’d from the MSM, is yet again hurled into the middle of a discussion about something else. Sorry, but you asked.

  86. All the parts the convoy visited, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, thereafter experienced western-backed Arab Springs installing extremists. Wheels within wheels.

  87. I’ll clarify that:

    While there will have been many with a sincere desire to help the trapped, starved people of Gaza/Palestine involved, the convoy will/may have been used by others for other purposes

  88. Mud sticks. And a lot has been thrown at Galloway. By whom? Work it out.

  89. “It’s this kind of bigoted and narrow-minded outlook that gives the yes campaign such a bad name.”

    It’s this kind of ignorant and superficial thinking that gives the liberal establishment a bad name.

  90. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:05 pm

    No smoke without fire. And I smell burning…

    Picture, if youse will, a Tory MP being paid regularly by a PR firm:

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10218/george_galloway/bradford_west

    A Tory MP with this voting record –

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10218/george_galloway/bradford_west

    And a Tory MP with this record (scroll down – no. 622) of responding to constituents’ letters.

    Imagine what you would say about such a Tory MP. Or I can do that for you if you have trouble with that.

  91. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:07 pm

    Sorry, this link for GG’s concerned response to the people who voted for him –

    https://www.writetothem.com/stats/2008/mps

  92. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:08 pm

    *Respect*

  93. Komodo I neither think GG is cool or hot. Just that he gets a hard time of it from the media and others.

    If you are referring to my posting of that Stone Cold video, I see it as relevant to Galloway and to my concern for the Palestinians. Surely I am free to post Craig and the moderators permitting. You got in a huff with me before for some reason and went off in high dudgeon.

    Tony M I cannot see that a convoy of vehicles containing aid had any effect on Western initiated uprisings in North African countries bordering the Mediterranean. One of the convoys was delayed but I cannot recall at which border along the route.

  94. Habba 9-44 pm:

    The billions that you say are put into ‘much needed sewer repairs’ are a fantasy and with you being so well informed, will know this. Reporting on expected maintenance costs, the water companies have estimated sewers to last for an average 280 years and in one calculation as much as a 1000 years. Water UK estimated that many sewers have an asset life of less than 100 years and few, if any have lasted that long.
    Sewage repairs and maintenance activities are forecast and submitted as actual costs without ever being completed, which leaves more to be paid out in dividends, leaving crumbling pipes supplying consumers (as well as obscenely inflated water bills).
    The privatisation of water, just like all the other sell off’s were a fraud enforced on the people of this country to make the wealthy even wealthier and to get more money out of bill payers, who have had no choice but to pay up. A perfect year on year scam that none of us can escape.

  95. Further, as I have just read your earlier one. I looked up Molucca Media Ltd if that is what is referred to. It is his own company. What’s wrong with that? The BBC presenters do it, so do some pocket pols. Why is he not allowed to join. He is not stupid.

    He appears to be totally open about his receipts.

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07953031/MOLUCCA-MEDIA-LIMITED/directors-shareholders

  96. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:41 pm

    I wasn’t referring to the video. I was referring to “So why raise it?”.

    My position is that, ever since the Mariam Appeal case (still rumbling on – http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/content/17195/commission_wins_foi_exemption_over_mariam_appeal_in_supreme_court_but_faces_fresh_legal_challenge ), the media are right to take an interest in Galloway.

    The man sought election repeatedly, and got it in Bradford. An MP, more than anyone else, should IMO have the interests of his own country, and of his constituents, in mind. I’m sufficiently old fashioned to think that regularly being paid by foreign media to advance the propaganda of foreign countries is not a legitimate occupation for an MP, particularly one whose day job appears to suffer markedly as a consequence. But take comfort – I feel the same way about Atlanticist Tories.

  97. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:45 pm

    Mary, I haven’t time to trawl for one of yours on the subject of troughing Tories with their own companies, but I think a Tory MP with his own PR company, paid to work for (say) the US and Israel* and neglecting his constituents, might attract your interest….

    *rather than Russia and Iran – to spell it out.

  98. YouKnowMyName

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:47 pm

    The Scottish Herald declares Farage the winner after yesterdays Clegg debate, where Scottish independence was hardly mentioned,
    but the Telegraph talks madly about an EU assisted Coup in Kiev! Surely this is OFF TOPIC for MSM?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10726289/Nick-Clegg-Nigel-Farage-is-siding-with-Vladimir-Putin.html
    Quote”Mr Clegg described Mr Farage’s comments as “insulting” and “extreme”.
    The Deputy Prime Minister told LBC Radio: “I was extraordinarily surprised – if not shocked – that he agrees with Vladimir Putin. To somehow suggest that because of Nigel Farage’s loathing of the European Union – that is the reason why Ukrainian protesters sought to reclaim their own freedom and their own country on the streets of Kiev. I just think it’s really insulting to those people in Kiev who were simply standing up for values that we should share and support.
    “For Nigel Farage to side with Vladimir Putin – well, he’ll have to explain why he did that. I was really astounded he did so.”
    Mr Clegg added: “It shows quite how extreme people like Nigel Farage can be when their loathing of the European Union becomes so all-consuming that they even end up siding with Vladimir Putin in order to make their point.
    “And to suggest that it’s somehow the European Union’s fault that the Ukrainian people rose up as many did on the streets of Kiev against their government…I just think is such a perverse way of looking at things.””

    If MSM prints these opinions over the forthcoming May EP elections then just what is going to happen in the actual Scottish Devo debate is unfathomable….though If I had to guess, I’d bet that Alex Salmond will be accused of siding with North Korea

  99. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:56 pm

    I’d bet that Alex Salmond will be accused of siding with North Korea

    By Galloway?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/10/george-galloway-north-korea-has-innocent-culture_n_3050682.html

  100. “It’s this kind of ignorant and superficial thinking that gives the liberal establishment a bad name.”

    Fred had you down to a tee when he said the following:

    “…..Like I said a despicable nasty little shit, Salmond’s little Blackshrt. You confirm everything I have said about Nationalists and Nationalism. History has shown them to be thugs and bullies and it doesn’t seem the SNP can claim to be any dfferent.

    Now crawl back into the hole you crawled out of, probably Salmond’s arsehole, you slimy little turd.”

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/10/the-theatre-of-war/

  101. What a pathetic showcasing of apparent party politcal discourse that was yesterday, from all three of them. He who sold his soul Wilson was bamboozled by the two cockerels and the media lapped it up, Electioneering to the marginals.
    Just love to hear the conversation on the doorstep, to both of them…’so you say Putins nailboot antics at home and abroad are the right thing to do? do you?…..

    Most important news yesterday was Ban Ki Moons announcement of a devastating UN climate report, that should come out today, not that this matters to the BBC Today programm, and the question should now be answered as to what we will be the precautionary planning to house some 20-40 million Bangladeshi’s soon.
    Well, my guess is in approx. 20 years plus.

    Equally, 89 cm rise of sea levels this century should galvanise the insurance giants and Governments somewhat, should we now contemplate building a superdyke from Norfolk to Kent with massive locks and tidal energy systems replacing dangerous nuclear PWR power, safeguarding the Thames and London, leaving acces via a new barrier, and protecting the Blackwater estuaries and low lying Essex, all Suffolk estuaries, with Harwich and Felixstowe getting a moving barrier too, and buying us all some 150 years time?

    @ Mark G. Have left you a little link to a very good filmaker who has travelled widely in Iraq, pg.3 on the previous thread.

  102. Did I just advertise pg 3? I’ll ask myself… whatever next!

  103. It isn’t a PR company. It is there to receive his earnings on which he will pay corporation tax exactly like the TV and media people rather than income tax. Still a free country, just.

    To me Russia and Iran are not the bogeymen as they are portrayed by the paleocons in the western media. We are not going to agree.

  104. Thanks Herbie for the link and Tony M -a penetrating read. I have sent a letter to Dutch Embassy entitled ‘Busted’ over Ukraine.

    I asked, “is this [Hromadske’s biggest funding] symptomatic of past history when ‘Ivar the Boneless’ -Marauding Danish Conqueror hit the shores of Britain?

    (Trying desperately hard not to confuse the word Danish with the word Dutch).

  105. Are you being stress-tested Danielbot, you’ve directed your bile to the wrong person, a completely innocent nice person. Don’t over-stress your cpu. Fred says that about everyone, it’s a term of endearment. I would be moderated if I expressed my suspicions about you.

    Fred (Bull) was actually referring cruelly, maliciously unfairly and irrationally to Juteman in that unpleasant tirade, not Jemand. Jemand has made some very strange posts such as the one above, but also some thought-provoking ones, I’d rather hear from Jemand than hear any of Fred’s foul-mouthed eruptions and I’d rather hear from Juteman all day long than either of the other two, or you.

    I think you should apologise to Juteman for repeating Fred’s slurs.

    Your job is done anyhow, what do you care who you’ve maligned wrongly.

  106. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 2:10 pm

    “…it’s not a PR company…”

    http://ytchannelembed.com/video.php?id=x1FB_sB2XdI

    Pay per click. Ok, it’s his personal TV station. However you cut it.

  107. So funny. From Medialens.

    Had a look at the Sun this morning, (a work colleagues, I swear) there was a story about a 16 inch rat that had been caught somewhere; it was named ‘Putin’, after rudely invading the family’s home.

    Seriously.

  108. Only now read your piece anode, well said.
    Also thanks to Tony M for being succinct, I think the BBC is slowly working themselves to a frenzy, come the referendum. They are desperate to show Scottish voters that they are impartial, unbiased and that they would not like to loose 5 million broadcasting tax payers. Tough the day may come not soon enough.

    Re: excuse, yes he should say sorry to Juteman, but some can’t ever spill those words across their lips, they get palpitations writing it.

  109. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 2:30 pm

    “…. he will pay corporation tax….”

    Indeed. So much cheaper (25%) than paying personal tax on his earnings. And, as you say, a widespread dodge. Wonder if I’d get away with it?

    “Channelling payments through a private company permits these earnings to take advantage of corporation tax of around 21 per cent rather than all of his earnings being subject to income tax, which rises to 45 per cent on earnings above £150,000.

    Those who structure their affairs in this way can offset the cost of clothes, cars and other work-related expenses against their income. There are also potential savings on National Insurance.

    Respect, the political party Mr Galloway represents, called for the stamping out of tax avoidance and associated loopholes in its 2010 general election manifesto.

    In a speech during last year’s election campaign for the Scottish parliament, Mr Galloway said: “We support progressive taxation that means the rich will pay more. We will campaign to close all tax loopholes – this measure alone would bring in an estimated £120 billion in unpaid or avoided tax and eliminate the budget deficit in a flash.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9192330/George-Galloway-faces-questions-over-tax-affairs.html

    Still, he wasn’t claiming expenses (Channel 4: 10 O’Clock Live, 4 April 2012 (Series 2, episode 6 23 minutes in, maybe still on Youtube or summat).

    He says.

    http://fullfact.org/sites/fullfact.org/files/styles/large/public/MPs%20Expenses%202.JPG?itok=WW3M9c6A

    At risk of being tedious, Mary…and I don’t really care…would you stand for this from a Tory?

  110. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 3:20 pm

    Some timely self-flagellation from Labour –

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10715010/New-Labour-is-to-blame-for-the-Scottish-independence-vote.html

    It’s all Blair’s fault that the natives are revolting….

    Note also that Ben Riley-Smith, Scottish reporter, cannot spell ‘privatisation’. Repeatedly. The Torygraph’s going down the drain.

  111. Does he employ anyone in his family?, Ba’alzevul, do you know?

  112. I don’t care one bit either but carry on if you must.

  113. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 3:34 pm

    Good site, more on Riley-Smith –

    http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/a-friendly-plea-to-ben-riley-smith-of.html

    Re GG, I imagine his youngest, by his third wife, the second of whom was born just four months before he married his fourth wife, are probably too young for politics. Though Embryo Hague set an alarming precedent…but a quick search indicates that at least George isn’t doing a Blair/ Straw dynastic number.

    I will, Mary. I will. Thank you.

  114. Pleasing link-Happy days! Nevermind-The black cloth of death has covered the eyes of so many Iraq families.

    I pulled this archived interview from a man still fat, dumb, happy and at ease with his god:

    In another interview a week earlier, on January 14, on CBS’s 60 Minutes, Bush repelled any suggestion of responsibility for error in his Iraq policy. He located the lack of public support in the United States in the insufficient thanks offered by the Iraqis. “Do you think you owe the Iraqi people an apology for not doing a better job?” asked correspondent Scott Pelley. “That we didn’t do a better job or they didn’t do a better job?” replied the president. “Well, that the United States did not do a better job in providing security after the invasion.” “Not at all,” said Bush. “I am proud of the efforts we did. We liberated that country from a tyrant. I think the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude, and I believe most Iraqis express that. I mean the people understand that we’ve endured great sacrifice to help them. That’s the problem here in America. They wonder whether or not there is a gratitude level that’s significant enough in Iraq.”

  115. “Fred says that about everyone”

    No I don’t, I have perfectly civilised discussions with loads of people here and other places too.

    If someone decides they would like to abandon civilised debate and resort to name calling then I’m happy to play that game too, I’m rather good at it.

    Everybody get to choose which sort of game they want to play.

  116. Did you know he’s painting dogs Mark and strange self portraits of himself in the bath and shower??

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/bush-paintings-exhibition_n_4854445.html

    Perhaps the self portraits are some attempt of self absolution of his sins? Like BLiar in the confessional perhaps?

    If these illustrated here are really his work, then a psychiatrist should be brought in or is he just laughing in our faces.
    http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2013/04/george-w-bush-paintings-new-photos

  117. Vultures right enough.

    ‘Private companies are helping to decide the future of the NHS.

    It’s come to light that a lobbying outfit working for big drug companies was paid by NHS England to write an important report. It’s claimed that this report could help shape £12bn (!) of NHS spending over the next five years. [1]

    The NHS is owned by all of us. But NHS England – the body that runs the NHS here – doesn’t have to publish conflicts of interest like this, or details of the lobbyists they meet with. We may never have even found out this was going on.

    If enough of us kick up a stink, we could force NHS England to come clean about who’s deciding the future of our NHS. Let’s show them that the taxpayers who fund them expect honesty about who’s advising them, especially when these people might profit from the decisions.

    Will you add your name to the petition to demand transparency over who’s deciding the future of our NHS?
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/NHS-lobbying-transparency

    Private companies getting involved in NHS decision-making is exactly what we all feared would happen when the government passed the Health and Social Care Act. As well as providing local services, private companies are now being ushered in at the top of the NHS.

    There’s no reason why NHS England can’t publish potential conflicts of interest or meetings with lobbying firms. Government departments regularly do this. [2]

    NHS England is less than a year old. They’re not used to being on the receiving end of a big people-powered petition. Thousands and thousands of names on a petition, delivered to their offices, could embarrass them into coming clean about who’s influencing them.

    Can you sign the petition and demand that NHS England register any links to big business?
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/NHS-lobbying-transparency

    38 Degrees members have voted time and time again to ensure that protecting our NHS is at the core of what we do. [3] It’s moments like this where we can come together and take action. Let’s fight to protect our NHS from the vultures that are circling it. The first step is to find out who they are.

    NOTES:
    [1] The Independent – Revealed: Big Pharma’s hidden links to NHS policy, with senior MPs saying medical industry uses ‘wealth to influence government’:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-big-pharma-links-to-nhs-policy-with-senior-mps-saying-medical-industry-uses-wealth-to-influence-government-9120187.html

    [2] Who’s lobbying? – Government departments’ registers of meetings:
    http://whoslobbying.com/uk/departments

    [3] 38 Degrees blog post: Poll results: March 22nd 2014:
    http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2014/03/24/poll-results-march-22nd-2014/

  118. Mary,

    Does matter who owns the a Nhs ultimately the people will decide the standard of which it operates.
    It comes down to money and the distribution that contributes to end user care.
    Quality of management then are responsible. There then their are good and bad managers.
    As politicians they are hand reared by reprobates in the case if G W Bush. They do a job.
    It is all systemic in our attitude.
    As with the vaccinations we are sincere in our reservations as people. Like Habba of high intelligence, why are they here instead of doing a useful job?
    Habba would make a better politician than Bush.

  119. Mark; Redemptive Awareness is not a quality contained in the Bush Dynasty.

    But then, sociopaths enjoy a care-free lifestyle when conscience is absent.

  120. doug scorgie

    27 Mar, 2014 - 6:56 pm

    Ba’al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)
    27 Mar, 2014 – 12:41 pm

    “I’m sufficiently old fashioned to think that regularly being paid by foreign media to advance the propaganda of foreign countries is not a legitimate occupation for an MP…”

    Anyone who knows Galloway’s politics knows full well that the views he expresses on Press TV or RT are his own and are views that he has expressed long before those channels offered him any shows.

    So Ba’al Zevul / Komodo or whoever; as you must be fully conversant with Galloway and his views you are being dishonest and misleading.

  121. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    27 Mar, 2014 - 8:11 pm

    A salient justification for Scottish Indys, ASAP?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-crumbling-lockerbie-case/5366601?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-crumbling-lockerbie-case

    Why, then, have the Scottish police and Crown Office failed to approach the witnesses who can attest to the mismatch between the fragment and the Libyan timers – witnesses who include the man who made the boards used in the those timers, and two independent scientists? The obvious answer is that they want to avoid evidence that shows the official case to be built on sand.

  122. What a total hypocrite.

    Jack Straw’s tribute to ‘family man’ Tony Benn
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26776391

    Many comments today on Medialens about his funeral.

  123. “A salient justification for Scottish Indys, ASAP?”

    No Ben, one of the worrying things about independence is that the people would lose their right of appeal to the Supreme Court and the House of Lords. They would be left at the mercy of the Scottish establishment.

    Take a look at this site and all will be revealed.

    http://scottishlaw.blogspot.co.uk/

  124. Communication Management Units are a new kind of prison born out of 9/11. People, mostly Muslims, are banged away, imprisoned for no known reason. Readers of this blog who refuse to believe what is going on, or divert attention from the truth, must be ignored or everybody who opposes the US, will end up in some kind of high-security penal institution, regardlless of whether they have committed a crime or not.

    Annie P. Waldman investigates these little Guantanamos. Wake up world.

    http://www.vice.com/read/inside-the-kafkaesque-world-of-the-uss-little-guantanamos

    “It is becoming increasingly clear that the BOP is using these units to silence people, and to crack down on unpopular political speech. They have become units where the BOP can dump prisoners they have issues with or whose political beliefs they find anathema. In the months that come, with CCR’s help, I hope to prove that in court and show what is happening at the CMUs. This needs to be dragged into the sunlight.

    Less than three days after McGowan published his article on the Huffington Post, the Bureau of Prisons remanded him into custody for “publishing under his own byline,” a violation of his probation. Although McGowan was released after one evening and was not charged with anything, the detention deeply troubled him. It was a reminder of the bureau’s ability to curtail his freedom of speech. It was a reminder of the lack of transparent rationale or process. As in the CMU, it seemed to McGowan that the bureau was making up the rules and regulations as it went along.”

  125. A Node, thanks for your post in reply. I agree with what you say – yes, some disagreement is inevitable between people who broadly agree on things. I’m very much in favour of joint campaigns in general, unless the gap between groups is irreconcilable; for example, I fully support Craig being interviewed for Galloway’s film. The need to bring Blair and company to justice is of substantial importance.

    We should remember that disagreement amongst Left groups is always more likely (and of greater vehemence) than groups supporting the Establishment – this point is often forgotten. The distance that anti-war campaigners, feminists, socialists, and gay rights campaigners have to travel is much farther than those who believe in the status quo. So, here, we have another reason for tolerating small differences.

    That all said, there’s no harm in sifting through Galloway’s views, in this small corner of the internet. I didn’t know his position on independence before his recent tour, so it has come as a surprise to me. I’d have greatly thought that his views would have matched mine: London’s arrogance is that Westminster will retain as much power over Scotland – and its
    income – as it can. Some minor powers may be devolved, but they will be carefully circumscribed, if they are even delivered upon.

    Meanwhile, Scotland is in social terms more generous than the English, poisoned as we are with the anti-politics of middle class envy and the petty jostling within a class pecking order of our own making. So, when Scot’s views are genuinely sought, achieving policy that is a social benefit to Scotland might extend beyond excellent outcomes such as free higher education. I see an independent Scotland as putting forward Scotland’s majority view on war, too. Even a campaign like Yes, wanting to be all things to everyone, is happy to state unequivocally: nuclear weapons are immoral and London can find a new home for them. Good for them, I say.

    I’d have thought all of the above would be the poke in the eye that Galloway believes Westminster deserves, after Iraq, and austerity, and the increase in the wealth gap. With all that in mind, the “Naw” position seems to be: Scotland, don’t abandon us to the Tories! We’re better off being mediocre together!

    I should welcome further notes on these reflections. Meantime – though I forget who used to be annoyed at my love of a good dram – a small Scotch is called for! Tomatin, I think – not a well known distillery, but highly recommended.

  126. “I didn’t know his position on independence before his recent tour, so it has come as a surprise to me.”

    If you check I think you will find that George has always spoken out against Right Wing Nationalism. He opposes Nationalists in his English constituency, he opposes Zionism in the Middle East.

  127. I hope the Berezovsky family request a second inquest and that the police keep the case open. I believe the word of the German pathologist, Progessor Brinkmann who said that Berezovsky did not hang himself and that there were two people involved.

    Germany has a reputation for excellence in forensic pathology.

    Open Verdict In Berezovsky Death Inquest
    The coroner’s finding follows months of speculation over whether the Russian oligarch was killed or committed suicide.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1233125/open-verdict-in-berezovsky-death-inquest

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernd_Brinkmann

    ‘However, evidence pointing to suicide was called into question when an expert on hanging and asphyxiation cases said he believed Mr Berezovsky had been strangled.

    Professor Bernd Brinkmann said: “In my view there is no way for death by hanging.”

    He told the hearing there was evidence to suggest two people were involved in the death of the businessman, who was known to have survived two assassination attempts.

    Firstly, the marks on his neck were “far away from the typical inverse ‘V’ shape” usually seen in hanging cases, Professor Brinkmann said. Secondly, congestion to Mr Berezovsky’s face was not consistent with being hanged.’

  128. Professor Brinkmann of course.

  129. Ah Fred, if memory serves: you and I had that discussion before, and we were unable to resolve it. I’m aware that you see parallels between the campaign for Scottish independence and the BNP, but I’m afraid I still don’t see them. We will have to continue to agree to disagree on that one.

  130. Jon, welcome back. Scottish independence is a bit of an enigma for me. I am a recent convert to it because of Tory interference by getting its servants to threaten withdrawal of business from Scotland to put pressure on voters – a really disgusting piece of dirty politics. I am still an ardent supporter of the European Union which might seem like a contradiction. In essence I would like Scotland to be part of the UK but because it is running its economy more on socially-concerned policies, like the non-existence of university fees, and Westminster imposes all kinds of capping on town and county councils, it needs a sizeable part of the UK to show that London is not the only place of any significance. I would personally like to see Birmingham break away. We get so little from the national pot. London bankers get so much!

  131. Jon 27 Mar, 2014 – 10:34 pm
    “I’m aware that you see parallels between the campaign for Scottish independence and the BNP, but I’m afraid I still don’t see them.”

    Er, nationalism?

  132. Clark

    Are ya serious about coming to Stay in Scotland… i shall keep my ear to the ground for ya..Inverclyde area.

  133. Independence movements may use nationalism as a means of rallying people, but they’re always much more braodly based than that.

    That’s why you often get civil wars after the event.

    So far as I can see the SNP mostly make economic arguments.

    I’d say that the BNP types are mostly on the Unionist side of the argument, the remnants of British empire nationalism.

  134. “So far as I can see the SNP mostly make economic arguments.”

    Oh good, do they have the budget deficit forecasts?

  135. “Oh good, do they have the budget deficit forecasts?”

    There certainly do appear to be some differences of opinion over oil revenues and whether they’re decreasing or not.

  136. “There certainly do appear to be some differences of opinion over oil revenues and whether they’re decreasing or not.”

    So that just leaves us with the “unfair, biassed, scaremongering” economic arguments then.

  137. fred 27 Mar, 2014 – 11:30 pm

    “Oh good, do they have the budget deficit forecasts?”

    Let’s check the UK deficits while we’re waiting, Fred ………
    Ahhh …… an average of 131.25 billion/year for the past 4 years.
    And your point was, Fred ….?

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/3/20/1363802502484/Deficits-by-chancellor-001.jpg

  138. ” Scottish independence is a bit of an enigma for me. I am a recent convert to it because of Tory interference by getting its servants to threaten withdrawal of business from Scotland to put pressure on voters – a really disgusting piece of dirty politics.”

    John it didn’t happen.

    They are businesses not charities. They will go where they make most profit which is the country where most of their customers are. The UK government didn’t get them to do it any more than the Scottish government got the ones that say they will stay to stay.

    It’s all bottom line with businesses, if there is no monetary union then the businesses with most of their customers in the UK will move to the UK and those with most of their customers in Scotland will stay in Scotland. Anything else is just Nationalist propaganda.

  139. “Let’s check the UK deficits while we’re waiting, Fred”

    At least they will be this year’s forecasts.

  140. “At least they will be this year’s forecasts.”

    Not a strong inducement to stick around, though

  141. “Not a strong inducement to stick around, though”

    Their honest, based on this year’s figures, they aren’t still using last years figures because they’re better.

  142. “Their honest, based on this year’s figures, they aren’t still using last years figures because they’re better.”

    They’re honestly terrible, then.

  143. I can’t understand why some folk get so vexed over the issue of independence.
    It seems a very simple matter of democracy to me.
    Should countries govern themselves, or should they get a neighbour to run their affairs for them? I would think the people best placed to govern a country are those that live there.

  144. Jon, Fred

    Do you categorize in any way yourselves?

    Good/bad
    Educated/uneducated

  145. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 8:32 am

    “Anyone who knows Galloway’s politics knows full well that the views he expresses on Press TV or RT are his own and are views that he has expressed long before those channels offered him any shows.

    So Ba’al Zevul / Komodo or whoever; as you must be fully conversant with Galloway and his views you are being dishonest and misleading.”

    No, I think that’s unfair. I don’t think RT or (especially) PTV would buy time from anyone who wasn’t prepared to advance their agenda, whether he was aware of it or not. I don’t know if he approached them or they him, but that’s irrelevant IMO, as the ideological fit – as you say – was well known in advance. And as an MP – which he chose to be – he has responsibility to this country first and foremost.

    As I said earlier, I am equally critical (on the record) of those admirers of the US and Israel who sell, or even lend, their talents to the agendas of those countries. As an MP, he has a clear responsibility to his constituents, within the context of their being British citizens, and as I have said, with figures, he doesn’t seem to make this his priority.

    I stand by what I said, therefore. I think he is at best naif, and at worst a self-promoting, self-deluded Messianic chancer in the Blair mould, whom you would damn utterly were he a Tory, and rightly so. That said, I freely acknowledge his adoption of the Palestinian cause , with the caveat that by further polarising the issue, and placing himself firmly outside mainstream politics (which has the only power available to change things) he is probably not helping the Palestinian cause as much as he may think.

    But he’s not actually important.

  146. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 8:44 am

    Fred -“If you check I think you will find that George has always spoken out against Right Wing Nationalism. He opposes Nationalists in his English constituency, he opposes Zionism in the Middle East.”

    And he strongly supports Russian nationalism – which is no more leftwing than Prince Philip – in the Crimea:

    http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/ukraine-significance-crimea-referendum-206/

    Just sayin’.

    The comments are fun, too.

  147. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 8:56 am

    Fred, A Node: ““Their honest, based on this year’s figures, they aren’t still using last years figures because they’re better.”

    Any chance of seeing the figures from either side? With some idea of how they are reached? I’d welcome the chance not to have to search the Google world of finance myself, and I’d like to see this catfight underpinned by solid numbers. Not a chance, though. We are dealing with predictions, and , inevitably, predictions massaged by each side to suit its own cause. Fred, you’re between a rock and a hard place. You have to believe statistics emanating from a Tory government to make your Socialist case. Caution!

  148. “And he strongly supports Russian nationalism – which is no more leftwing than Prince Philip – in the Crimea:”

    I don’t tend to watch RT much but I’d assumed George supported the union of Crimea and Russia.

  149. Is Craig’s tweeting brevity encouraging concise responses; hope so.

  150. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WhatIsLeftOrRightWing

    Against exploitation and slavery!

  151. “Jon, Fred

    Do you categorize in any way yourselves?”

    Rational, I categorize myself as rational.

    There are right wing Nationalists in very other country and I find it hard to believe there aren’t any in Scotland.

    Especially as I’ve come across quite a few.

  152. A bit of light distraction for those who have difficulty with the spam maths used in posting a comment.

    4 x 4 + 4 x 4 + 4 – 4 x 4 =

    Just put a single answer with no comment about it please.

  153. Those who don’t have difficulty with the spam test can have a go too. Habbabkuk phone a friend!

  154. “I can’t understand why some folk get so vexed over the issue of independence.
    It seems a very simple matter of democracy to me.
    Should countries govern themselves, or should they get a neighbour to run their affairs for them? I would think the people best placed to govern a country are those that live there.”

    It might be difficult to understand if you see everything in terms of “us and them”.

    If you just see one big “us” it will make more sense to you.

  155. Fred,
    And just how big is your “US” ? How many borders do you wish to get rid of ?
    Who do you want to make your decisions for you ?
    Are you so insecure about your countrymen that you feel other nations are better equipped to make decisions ?
    Do you decide when it’s time to go to the Loo or does your mother still do that for you ?
    If the big US is Westminster and they made good decisions for Scotland then I might be inclined to agree with you,but they don’t and rarely have.As in Brussels which is another big US where there are over 70,000 lobbyists working daily to promote someone elses agenda,Westminster has their thousands of lobbyists working for business and not the people.The City of London has a rep sitting right behind the Speakers Chair making sure that Parliament does their bidding.The big US are left out by lobbied Interests.
    Or is the Big US , the UN ? Which is a very one sided ,corrupt institution allowing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Israel,but punishing it elsewhere.
    Who exactly is your big “US”?
    Scotland has been used as a testing ground for weapons and policies, as well as a dumping ground for nuclear waste and nuclear weapons.They are continually outvoted in a lopsided parliament.If Westminster says No ,it’s no, no matter if all 5.5 million Scots said Yes.
    There is no Big US in the UK!
    Independence will not fix everything,but it will allow the Scots to deal with their big US.

  156. Israeli soldiers shot dead Palestinian teen in cold blood

    March 27, 2014

    (Al-Akhbar) – Israeli occupation forces who shot dead a Palestinian teenager in the West Bank last week used live fire, without warning, against innocent youngsters out foraging for roots, an Israeli rights group said Wednesday.

    After investigating the March 19 death of 15-year-old Yussef Sami Shawamreh, B’Tselem said it had found no evidence to support the army’s version of events that troops had opened fire at youths who had “sabotaged” the West Bank apartheid wall.

    /..
    http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/03/israeli-soldiers-shot-dead-palestinian-teen-cold-blood/

    B’tselem is the Israeli founded and staffed Human Rights group of whom the British government professed to have no knowledge last week in the HoC.

  157. O/T
    You Tube is banned in Turkey.Twitter a few days before that.
    Erdogan has gone mad.
    MSM have reported the ban ,but not the reasons you tube got banned.
    It was banned because it exposed a high level discussion in Erdogans military command discussing using Al Qaeda to missile attack a shrine in Syria which is guarded by Turkish special forces.They then state that this would be a cause of war between Syria and Turkey.
    False Flag’s by a NATO country would bring all of NATO into the fight.
    Parliament wouldn’t be needed to go to war then,because of our NATO commitments.
    Or am I wrong about that ?

  158. @JG … 20

  159. Ha!

    Embassy of Israel – London

    Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:17

    Subject: Automatic reply: Hebron

    Thank you for your message.

    We would like to share with you that Israeli diplomats and the employees of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs are currently engaged in a labor dispute. As a result, we won’t be able to respond to this message or other requests.

    Our struggle is an attempt to strengthen the Israeli Foreign Service as a major contributor to national security, to its ability to promote Israeli values and interests, and to give a better service to Israeli citizens.

    We apologize for any inconvenience.

    Plus a version in Hebrew. What is the Hebrew for ‘Trouble at mill’?

  160. DonnyDarko, you’re probably right. There are so many false flags kicking off and have kicked off in the US aims at global domination, including the Ukraine and Somalia, it is probably true. My worst fears are that when the US realises that world domination is unachievable, it will only have nuclear weapons left. Knowing all these criminals will be facing war-crimes it will destroy the planet.

  161. @Kurtan

    At the time we went to war in Iraq the leaders of all three political parties were Scots. Just how much control did you want?

    Our local MP fought hard to have the first Nuclear reactor in Britain built here and a great benefit it has been and still is to our community. People who served apprenticeships at Dounreay, welders, electricians, went on to work offshore. I’ve never met anyone here wishes it had been built elsewhere, I’ve met an awful lot of people damned glad it wasn’t.

  162. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 11:21 am

    “There are right wing Nationalists in very other country and I find it hard to believe there aren’t any in Scotland.”

    I notice you are defining your term very precisely. Is there such a thing at all for you as a left-wing nationalist (without capitals)? No? Then doesn’t any nationalist whatever necessarily figure as rightwing on your personal radar?

    The popularity of the SNP is by no means entirely due to its nationalism, and is arguably more due to its resonance with genuine Socialists (capital) who felt increasingly betrayed by Nu Labour’s Nu Thatcherism, and who demonstrably wanted no part of the Conservative and Unionist Party, which treated Scotland with complete contempt.

    Re unionists and nationalists, there’s a letter in the Guardian today describing the reaction of an Ulster prison officer to being asked how the prisoners of the two factions spent their time in jail. The unionists spent their time in the gym. The IRA boys spent their time reading and studying for degrees.

    Go figure.

  163. O/T-The Celtic force of Finian Cunningham

    This elite Western narrative espoused by Obama and his club of bankrupt European non-entity politicians has by now alienated a global audience at home and around the world. Certainly not in the Rembrandt class, but most people can now see elite Western posturing as a masterpiece of illusion.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38076.htm

  164. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 11:27 am

    “I’ve never met anyone here wishes it had been built elsewhere,”

    I have. A universitu lecturer and researcher. He performed a plutonium particle survey on a nearby beach. And felt badly enough about it to detail what he had found in every module he taught.

  165. “I have. A universitu lecturer and researcher. He performed a plutonium particle survey on a nearby beach. And felt badly enough about it to detail what he had found in every module he taught.”

    What was his name? Where did he rather it was built?

    There were a lot of people died in the coal mines of South Yorkshire and Wales, I don’t remember many of the people who lived there supporting their closure.

  166. Ba’al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!) 28 Mar, 2014 – 8:32 am

    “No, I think that’s unfair. I don’t think RT or (especially) PTV [Press TV] would buy time from anyone who wasn’t prepared to advance their agenda, whether he was aware of it or not. I don’t know if he approached them or they him, but that’s irrelevant IMO, as the ideological fit – as you say – was well known in advance. And as an MP – which he chose to be – he has responsibility to this country first and foremost.”

    This is an extract from an article written by the refreshingly honest Geoffrey Alderman in defence of Press TV when it was banned by Ofcom from broadcasting to Britain:

    “I believe this action by Ofcom to be thoroughly deplorable as well as palpably cynical. But before I go any further I must make two declarations of interest. The first is that I am a proud Zionist. The second is that within months of its establishment in the UK in 2007, I became an occasional broadcaster on Press TV, appearing mostly on panel discussions. In 2011, I made four such appearances, and received a total of £300 in fees, which I donated to Israel.

    My Zionist affiliation and sympathies are of course very well known to Press TV. But I have never been censored, nor has the company ever made the slightest attempt to get me to modify a particular view. Press TV’s considerable following in the Middle East has thus been exposed to opinions and arguments – especially in relation to Israel – that they might otherwise never hear. Now this voice of balance has been silenced.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/24/suppressing-press-tv-ofcom-licence

    This “proud Zionist” is getting an average of £75 per appearance on Press TV. He clearly isn’t doing it for the money. He appears to suggest that he is doing it to advance his Zionist views.

    Ba’al Zevul, does this advance the agenda of Press TV, and if so what are these agenda?

  167. Interesting, and relevant point, about nationalism from this article (I recommend the whole blog – it makes sensible points with an extremely cheeky humour). It refers to Michael White, a Guardian man, writing in New Statesman:

    As political analysis Michael’s Caledonian musings are not even anal, he just makes an arse of them. It’s more than a wee bit alarming that a politics guru can’t get over the simple word “nationalism” and appreciate that common or garden words mean different things in different contexts and that this is true in spades of political words. You’d think that would be the most basic tool of his trade.

    The goal of a movement which seeks self determination for a country without a state is qualitatively different from the nationalism of a political party which seeks to aggrandise an existing state and isolate it from the world in a red white and blue wet dream. The goal of Scottish independence is diametrically opposed to the goal of UKIP, and many if not most supporters of Scottish independence are nationalist only in so much as they recognise the existence of Scotland as a nation.

  168. Ba’al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!) 28 Mar, 2014 – 8:56 am

    ” Any chance of seeing the figures from either side? With some idea of how they are reached? I’d welcome the chance not to have to search the Google world of finance myself, and I’d like to see this catfight underpinned by solid numbers”

    I wasn’t talking about a budget deficit forecast but Fred seemed to think I was and seemed to be on the defensive about it, so I didn’t correct him :)
    I couldn’t find a UK forecast so I quoted the budget deficits for the past four years, an average of 131.25 billion/year. Here’s the solid numbers:
    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/3/20/1363802502484/Deficits-by-chancellor-001.jpg

  169. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 12:15 pm

    Ba’al Zevul, does this advance the agenda of Press TV, and if so what are these agenda?

    Fair question. I don’t have enough information to answer it. But tokenism comes to mind. We have moved on from the days when Radio Moscow figured extolling the glorious people’s revolutionary advances in tractor gearbox production had any relevance to the West, and PTV isn’t simpleminded, I’ll give it that.

    The agenda of PTV, which is funded by the Iranian state, and said to be close to the Revolutionary Guard, is to advance Iranian interests. As it is entitled to do.

    And your exemplar isn’t an MP. Which was, after all, my point.

  170. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 12:21 pm

    “What was his name?”

    What’s yours? As this is a public space, and I don’t have his permission, I decline to answer your question. However, he is English, a senior academic, meticulous, and additionally now holds a responsible position in local politics. If I have to take your (many) unsupported statements as fact, please return the courtesy. Thanks.

  171. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    Thanks A Node. Telling indeed…

    Fred? Forecasts?

  172. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 12:37 pm

    There were a lot of people died in the coal mines of South Yorkshire and Wales, I don’t remember many of the people who lived there supporting their closure.

    I don’t recall them objecting to improved safety procedures and cleanup of their localities either. I’m not talking about the people with a stake in the operation, anyway. Some of them would sell their own grannies for a job (forgivably; more of them, since Thatcher, and under policies pretty well endorsed by Nu Libor), and whistleblowers are severely discouraged. I’m talking about everyone else.

    Still, if you’ve developed a mysterious lump after swimming near Dounreay, on your head be it!

  173. Ba'al Zevul (Liberté, Egalité, Shopping Malls!)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 12:38 pm

    Left wing nationalists? Fred?

  174. Right said Fred !

    So you’ve gone from the big US to lokal hero?
    There was such a huge job pool and under employment in the the North of Scotland way back then that building a test reactor along with the weapons Dept was welcomed by the local sheep.
    It had nothing to do with the fact they needed large amounts of cold water and it to be as far away as possible from London.
    Sorry Fred , but you’re full of it!!

  175. You’ve got to do this test. Get it wrong and you can’t move to Scotland!!!

    4 x 4 + 4 x 4 + 4 – 4 x 4 =

    Just put a single answer with no comment about it please.

  176. Apparently 73% of people get the answer wrong in the above question.

  177. Pykrete

    Only 20 if you accept the normal conventions of mathematics – given JG doesn’t accept normal conventions (such as not telling people how to reply to your own comments) I suspect that he reaches a different answer – probably 0.8181818181 or similar.

  178. Ba'al Zevul (Einstein)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 1:54 pm

    320

  179. Ba'al Zevul (Einstein)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 2:01 pm

    Or 16

  180. Ba'al Zevul (Not Einstein)

    28 Mar, 2014 - 2:03 pm

    sorry, 20. But I got the Captcha right.

  181. 20

  182. 320

  183. Fred,
    below the cut and pasted quote there is the link to the article.
    Since you are probably not Scots and definitely not from the area, you’ve now become a local zero in my humble opinion.

    “Dounreay was chosen chiefly because of the assumed risk that, in the event of a catastrophic control system failure leading to core meltdown, a release of radioactivity to the environment was a likely consequence. This would result in the necessary evacuation of people living in the vicinity of the reactor, possibly within a radius of a few miles. The population density around Dounreay was very low, lower than that of West Cumbria. If it hadn’t been, the fast reactor would have certainly gone to Windscale. To its credit, the UKAEA has never made any secret of its prime reason for coming to Caithness.
    From the outset the authorities had sought to allay public fears about the fast reactor. Immediately after the Government’s announcement about Dounreay, Sir David Robertson, the charismatic MP for Caithness and Sutherland had addressed a packed meeting in Thurso’s Miller Calder Hall. Sir David’s speech is a masterpiece of tub-thumping triumphalism, in which he stated, with some justification, that had he not been the area’s MP the fast reactor project would never have come to Caithness. These far from modest claims were endorsed by his platform partners, Brigadier Keith Murray, Convener of Caithness County Council, and John Sinclair, Thurso’s Provost. John Sinclair advised the audience to continue eating fish, which would not be affected by the small amount of radioactivity discharged to the sea from Dounreay. He had personally sought the opinion of an expert who had studied data from surveys of the marine environment around Windscale, Sir David Robertson also promised to ensure that full compensation would be paid to anyone whose property or activities were adversely affected by the fast reactor. Reassuring words from well-respected public figures who had done everything in their power to ensure that the fast reactor came to Caithness. But when someone asked whether, given his assurances as to the reactor’s safety, Sir David would exchange his London house for a croft at Buldoo, the audience’s nervous laughter betrayed a still lurking sense of apprehension.

    Early in April 1954, the Scottish Trade Union Congress, meeting at Aberdeen, passed a motion calling for the outlawing of the hydrogen bomb in particular, and atomic weapons in general. One delegate warned that Dounreay would be a potential atom bomb; another asked what would happen if the reactor got out of control. A week later the Caithness Courier started a series of articles drawing its readers attention to an HMSO publication entitled Britain’s Atomic Factories. This booklet contained information on the discharge of liquid radioactive effluent from Windscale, concluding that no concentrations of radioactive contamination had been detected so far, and in Dounreay’s case, effluent would quickly disperse in the swift running waters of the Pentland Firth. The book also declared that while danger did exist, workers in the nuclear plants were better protected than in any other industry, a statement which, arguably, remains true today. Whether or not these learned articles had any pacific effect on local fears is uncertain. To any half-decent public relations officer, faith in a known and respected local person would have seemed a better bet.

    When Donald Carmichael arrived in Caithness in the summer of 1954, his prime mission appears to have been the recruitment of suitable staff for the fast reactor project. For weeks he journeyed all over the North, interviewing, assessing, sounding out likely candidates, relying on the contacts he had made as wartime officer in charge of shore radio stations in the northern highlands. From Tongue to Golspie he scoured the country, driven by Rab Murray whose father had owned a lemonade factory in Shore Street, Thurso, until the early 1950s’ when failure to keep pace with mechanised production methods had led to its closure. Rab was later to become one of the first two Dounreay transport drivers. ”

    http://www.internet-promotions.co.uk/archives/dounreay/doun3.htm

  184. “Sorry Fred , but you’re full of it!!”

    Well now I ignored your personal insults in your previous post.

    This time I’ll just tell you straight, I tell it how it is from first hand knowledge. If the truth doesn’t match your propaganda that’s your problem.

    Next time I will feel justified in responding in kind.

  185. Hi Fred

    there is an easy way to settle that.
    Is it pawldies or is it peevers ?

  186. “This booklet contained information on the discharge of liquid radioactive effluent from Windscale, concluding that no concentrations of radioactive contamination had been detected so far ….”

    If that was true then, it isn’t now.

    “Sellafield discharges two million gallons of radioactive water into the Irish Sea every day at high tide. This includes a cocktail of over 30 alpha, beta and gamma radionuclides. BNFL admits that radioactive discharges in the 1970’s were 100 times those of today. As a result of these discharges, which include around half a tonne of plutonium, the Irish Sea has become the most radioactively contaminated sea in the world. Caesium-137 and Iodine-129 from Sellafield have spread through the Arctic Ocean into the waters of northern Canada and are having a bigger impact on the Arctic than the Chernobyl accident. Sellafield’s gas discharges of Krypton can be measured in Miami.

    The guinea pigs in a ‘deliberate scientific experiment’ to find out levels of contamination in the food chain, were the Cumbrian people and their environment. Claiming then that the radioactive materials discharged from the 2km pipeline would dilute and disperse into the wider oceans, the industry clearly got it wrong, with high levels of radioactive discharge material washed ashore and trapped in the coastal sands and sediments.

    A leading government-backed scientist from East Anglia University discovered that plutonium particles, concentrated in waves breaking on the shore, was being blown over West Cumbria, as far as 37 miles inland.This was confirmed by analysis of vacuum cleaner house dust samples taken up and down the coast by a National Radiological Protection Board investigation.

    That Sellafield plutonium gets everywhere was shown in post-mortem examinations of former Sellafield workers. Concentrations of hundreds and in one case thousands of times higher than in the general population were found. Cumbrians who never worked at the plant had plutonium levels ranging from 50% to 250% above the average compared to elsewhere in Britain. Atomic Energy Authority scientist, Prof. Nick Priest, studied the teeth of over 3000 young people throughout Britain and Ireland. He found traces of Sellafield plutonium in varying doses, the highest doses being closest to Sellafield.”

    http://www.corecumbria.co.uk/tour/irishsea.htm

  187. “below the cut and pasted quote there is the link to the article.
    Since you are probably not Scots and definitely not from the area, you’ve now become a local zero in my humble opinion.”

    Well shit for brains you just posted a load of stuff confirming a lot of what I said and contradicting none of it.

    So as you are the one madly googling while I’m speaking from personal experience I don’t think your humble opinion is worth a shit.

    Your Nationalist bully boy tactics are not going to work on me so go fuck yourself retard.

  188. DoNNyDarKo 28 Mar, 2014 – 3:25 pm

    “Hi Fred

    there is an easy way to settle that.
    Is it pawldies or is it peevers ?”

    I’m born and bred in the Highlands and I don’t have a clue what your talking about. Leave out the anti-English comments, please.

  189. @Ba’al Zevul, So you have gone from bolding asserting that Galloway was “being paid by foreign media to advance the propaganda of foreign countries”, as if some sort of traitorous fifth columnist, to then accepting that the views he broadcasts are his own, but still claiming that he was advancing an Iranian agenda, either directly or inadvertently; when it’s pointed out to you that ardent Zionists are also paid to appear on PTV, you downplay this inconvenient fact that runs contra to your charge of PTV only employing pro-Iranian propagandists, as irrelevant “tokenism”, and try to defend your wandering, and increasing weakening, attempt to smear him, by stating that your point all along, from the beginning, was that as an MP, “he has a clear responsibility to his constituents, within the context of their being British citizens” & “he doesn’t seem to make this his priority”.

    So your charge really seems to be that as an MP, he doesn’t devote enough attention to his constituents, because of his attention to World affairs. So what does he track record show ?

    His serving as an MP in Glasgow for 18 years straight years, winning election after election, would tend to indicate that his constituents there appear to have no complaints about his service to them;

    “The George Galloway that the people of Glasgow say they know is quite different from the showy Commons performer and Labour party irritant. In Glasgow he is regarded simply as a fixer: a pensioners’ bus service; an asylum seeker’s complaint – the bread and butter of British politics.

    “People have this idea of George as the MP for the West Bank and not the west end of Glasgow and it’s not true,” said the constituency chairman, Mark Craig.

    One senior Westminster politician tells of an elderly widowed aunt who lives in Galloway’s constituency and became the target of vandals. She wrote to her MP, without mentioning her political link, to ask for help. “He got in touch with the chief constable who put a police car in front of her house for three days,” the MP said yesterday. “Although she is a west of Scotland Tory lady, my aunt thinks George Galloway walks on water.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/apr/23/uk.iraq4

    After being expelled from the Labour Party, he formed Respect & promptly won a spectacular victory in becoming MP for Bethnal Green and Bow in 2005; an area with a high immigrant population, in which his view & positions on international affairs, were actually an important factor as to why people voted for him; as to local issues, during his time as MP there, his Surgery was one of the busiest in the country, to the extent that at his own expense, he hired people to help out, and was attending the HOC practically everyday, including Bank Holidays, (even X-mas Day !). He didn’t stand again there, as he had already made clear before winning the seat, and instead stood & won his fifth election victory in Bradford West, again another area with a high immigrant population, where his interests in World affairs yet again played a role in his election success.

    So it seems that your doubly charge of neglecting his responsibilities to the people who actually voted for him, and concentrating too much on international affairs against their wishes, is not borne out, and the opposite is revealed to be true.

    Re your comment to Mary;

    “I have wanted to ask you, repeatedly, but usually managed to stop myself, as some wholly irrelevant interjection, usually C&P’d from the MSM, is yet again hurled into the middle of a discussion about something else”

    If I could afford to spend the time, I would find your comment address to a Habby, who was repeating this very same objection to Mary’s posts, in which you actually defended her right to do so, and advised him to simply ignore her posts if he didn’t like them; perhaps you should take your own advice.

  190. Guess you never played when you were a kid then A Node. No pavements ?
    Why do you think the question is anti-English ?

  191. “Guess you never played when you were a kid then A Node. No pavements ?”
    Country boy, mostly played in the woods :)

    “Why do you think the question is anti-English ?”
    I can’t see any other interpretation. Why did you ask it?

  192. “there is an easy way to settle that.
    Is it pawldies or is it peevers ?”

    Are you calling me a liar as well?

  193. I thought I was the shit for brains retard that had to go and fuck myself?
    You are such a tease, Fred. I thought I was special, and now I find out you sweet talk all the boys. :-(

  194. My mum played peevers, but our thing was pitchy.

  195. “I thought I was the shit for brains retard that had to go and fuck myself?
    You are such a tease, Fred. I thought I was special, and now I find out you sweet talk all the boys. :-(”

    I try not to put too much effort into flaming people, sort of defeats the object.

  196. Fred,

    Rationalist. Thanks,means well

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZs54pOJjB0

    For you today.

  197. @Jay

    I called my boat Peril.

    I get loads of people praying for me.

  198. I guess Fred never did, those early years must have been bleak.

    No conkers, no marbles, no hunts, no kick the can, no british bulldogs, no rounders.
    No friends, no company, no chance to learn empathy, social interaction, compromise.

    Anti-democratic and pro-nuclear contamination amongst the results of such deprivation.

    You are all snared by this damaged one, yet must it by now and know it’s futility squared.

  199. @Tony M

    Go fuck yourself pathetic little creep.

  200. You hussy, Fred. So that’s my insults finished?
    I went and got a box of tissues ready, and all for nothing. :-(

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