Darling Thanked For Honesty And Hard Work

by craig on April 22, 2014 11:16 am in Uncategorized

After seven months of appalling results, Alistair Darling was today thanked for his “hard work and honesty” in a brusque dismissal.  Fans were quick to point out that in his previous job he had won no trophies, in fact rather the opposite.  A whole series of dismal results had led to confidence ebbing away, and the recent disastrous performances by Gordon Brown and George Robertson were the last straw.

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A key factor in the dismissal was the dissatisfaction of the wealthy shareholders in the City of London, banks and in the United States who are the owners.  It was pointed out that some of the major players in the campaign, like the entire journalistic staff of BBC Scotland, had not been achieving the results expected.

The news was broken by a smug fat git

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Speculation is now rife about who will lead the team for the rest of the campaign.  Odds-on is John Reid, who supporters believe could increase the intensity of threat and violence which is now needed.  There is some worry however whether his associations will appeal to the core fan base.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

One possibility being seriously considered by the owners is to look abroad for new management.  One well-placed source told the BBC  “When the entire campaign is predicated on the idea that the Scots are incapable of running anything, it looks a bit odd to have a Scot in charge.”

 

 

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60 Comments

  1. George Robinson? Oh, who gives a fuck anyway.

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 12:01 pm

    If Dr John Reed were appointed to head the yes campaign then I think that would lend considerable weight to the theory held by some that the UK govt does really want Scotland to break away from the UK.

  3. There’s another common thread worth noting. The rot first set in on Unitedness on 8 November 1973 when Margo overturned a huge Labour majority in the Govan by-election [I voted for her]; and the lack of strong united leadership became apparent after Govan’s favourite son, Alex, retired to his claret cellar on 19 May 2013.

  4. Vronsky

    Thanks, amended. Ashamed to say he is a fellow Dundee graduate.

  5. MerkinOnParis

    22 Apr, 2014 - 1:35 pm

    Excellento!

  6. Hardly surprising that the Tories have brought back George Robinson to help keep the Act of Union. As I recall, he was the second Member for Tregony during the Rotten Parliament, the first of many, starting in the early 18th century.

    Brougham helped get rid of the Cornish rotten borough in 1832, but its spirit lives on!

  7. David McCann

    22 Apr, 2014 - 1:54 pm

    I love it. Thanks Craig.

  8. So Rangers supporters are to have a new hero …. Celtic chairman John Reid. Delicious.

    I wonder how long it’ll be before we hear from the Helmsdale United supporters club.

  9. The dangers of extrapolating data:-

    This is a graph of the death rate in England and Wales. If we extend both traces it’s clear that by the middle of the century nobody will be dying at all.

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/resources/asmrchart2_tcm77-280418.png

  10. Do you think he’ll get booted off the committee of three hundred as well?

  11. Must support Kempe – such extrapolations are silly. If they worked, measles vaccination would have resurrected the dead. Trends are nice lines, reality is badly behaved curves. The majority for independence will be substantial, a line drawn in the democratic space far removed from Excel spreadsheet functions.

    The Unionists are sunk: they are headless and they have no case. They have a few lords, a clutch of millionaires and some fat cats on the telly. But no soldiers on the street. Outside of Tolkien, phantom armies don’t win wars.

    The referendum question is simple: do you want to govern yourself, or are you some kind of nutter? I doubt if very many Scots will get the answer wrong.

  12. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 3:20 pm

    So, to stay on topic:

    Without having any particularly strong opinion on whether the Scots should vote for independence or not, I would then to agree with those who are sceptical that a yes vote would somehow usher in a bright new dawn for Scotland.

    If we argue that the question is one of superior political ethics and morality on the part of Scottish politicians, then we have to pay attention to those posters who have underlined the considerable presence of Scottish politicians at Westminster as part of a UK govt. Their record is not such as to inspire confidence in the belief that they are ethically or morally superior to non-Scottish politicians.

    (As a parenthèse, I can’t resist saying that what I’ve heard and read about Mr Salmond reminds me very much of the late Harold Wilson, of whom he appears to be somewhat of a reincarnation. You will note their striking similarities – Mr Wilson, too, made great play of ushering in a new age, he came across as a new-style, rational, straightforward, honest-talking politician (his rational discourse spiced by the occasional outburst of well-timed “passion”) and events proved in the end that, as someone once remarked cruelly, his guiding principle was an absence of all principle. All on all, a sad disappointment to those who voted for him in 1964 and 1966…)

    If, on the other hand, we hold the view that it is not the politicians’ fault – that they are all victims of the present world order, puppets in the grip of global finance and corporations (such views have been expressed on this blog) – then it flows from this that there is no reason either to be optimistic about the future behaviour of, or the quality of life in – in terms of political, economic or social morality – of an independent Scotland.

    Have I missed out something obvious?

  13. We
    must
    stay
    on
    topic….

    or else the Bogeyman will come to get us.

    Ce qui est une parenthèse?

    Ici http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenth%C3%A8se

  14. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 3:48 pm

    Mary

    The English word didn’t come to mind when I wrote. I think in that context it would have been “as an aside” or “as a side-thought” or something along those libes

  15. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 3:51 pm

    As in : “Je dirais entre parenthèses que…” ( = I should say, as an aside, that..)

  16. “Have I missed out something obvious?”

    Yes. You always do.

    When you say:

    “If, on the other hand, we hold the view that it is not the politicians’ fault – that they are all victims of the present world order, puppets in the grip of global finance and corporations (such views have been expressed on this blog) – then it flows from this that there is no reason either to be optimistic about the future behaviour of, or the quality of life in – in terms of political, economic or social morality – of an independent Scotland.”

    You don’t seem to appreciate that this “present world order” is currently fighting for its survival, on a number of fronts.

    The question then becomes how best can Scotland position itself for both a collapse of the present world order and its survival.

    I’m sure Nassim Nicholas Taleb would agree that Scotland is best positioned for either eventuality by maintaining financial links in the meantime but allowing itself the ability to quickly make sovereign independent financial decisions in its own interest should that need arise.

  17. Judging by the look on his face on the lama could restore gross national happiness of a once great team, south of the new Bhutan.

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 4:39 pm

    Herbie

    “You don’t seem to appreciate that this “present world order” is currently fighting for its survival, on a number of fronts.”
    _______________

    That may be correct, but only to the extent that any world order, at any given time, is susceptible to development and therefore mutation
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “The question then becomes how best can Scotland position itself for both a collapse of the present world order and its survival.”
    _________________

    Again correct, to the extent that any component of the current world order has the capacity to so position itself in any meaningful way.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I’m sure Nassim Nicholas Taleb would agree that Scotland is best positioned for either eventuality by maintaining financial links in the meantime but allowing itself the ability to quickly make sovereign independent financial decisions in its own interest should that need arise.”
    __________________

    Who is Nassim Nicholas Taleb?

    That aside, what you write illustrates what I say about “meaningful”. If, for instance, you’re referring to Scotland “keeping the pound sterling in a currency union”, the kind of hybrid you’re proposing is apparently not on offer – Scotland will not be able to.

    But perhaps you didn’t mean that, so it would be helpful if you could flesh out what you said by explaining what you meant by “maontaining financial links in the meantime” and ” sovereign independent financial decisions”, together with concrete examples.

  19. “If, for instance, you’re referring to Scotland “keeping the pound sterling in a currency union”, the kind of hybrid you’re proposing is apparently not on offer – Scotland will not be able to.”

    Really?

    “A currency union will eventually be agreed between an independent Scotland and the remainder of the UK to ensure fiscal and economic stability on both sides of the border, according to a government minister at the heart of the pro-union campaign.”

    “Of course there would be a currency union,” the minister told the Guardian in remarks that will serve as a major boost to the Scottish first minister, Alex Salmond, who accused the UK’s three main political parties of “bluff, bluster and bullying” after they all rejected a currency union.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/28/independent-scotland-may-keep-pound

    This from Wiki is a reasonable summary of Taleb’s work:

    “He criticized the risk management methods used by the finance industry and warned about financial crises, subsequently profiting from the late-2000s financial crisis.[18] [19] He advocates what he calls a “black swan robust” society, meaning a society that can withstand difficult-to-predict events.[10] He proposes “antifragility” in systems, that is, an ability to benefit and grow from a certain class of random events, errors, and volatility”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassim_Nicholas_Taleb

  20. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 5:38 pm

    Herbie

    You don’t like the example I gave (of the currency union).

    Fair enough – I did make it clear that this was only an example – but could you now respond to my invitation to be more precise, which read as follows

    “But perhaps you didn’t mean that {ie, currency union} so it would be helpful if you could flesh out what you said by explaining what you meant by “maintaining financial links in the meantime” and ” sovereign independent financial decisions”, with concrete examples.”?

    Thanks.

  21. Obviously, maintaining currency union after independence = “maintaining financial links in the meantime”.

    And, an independent Scotland will be better positioned to take its own sovereign decisions, quickly and nimbly, should there be any threat to the stability of sterling, rather than having such decisions taken in London.

    In the new circumstances occasioned by severe currency pressure there will be a number of options available to an independent Scotland that would not be available within the Union.

    It’s just smart positioning.

  22. I was listening to the radio this afternoon, they were talking about a Scottish suffragette. I didn’t listen to all of it but I did hear her reasons, not for equality of the sexes, she genuinely believed that if women got the vote there would be no more wars, no poverty, no inequality, no injustice. Women would not allow such things to happen.

    We know now how wrong they were, in politics women aren’t much different to men, some are even worse. Nothing changed. Just a pipe dream, like he ones I keep hearing from the Nationalists.

  23. I quite agree that the projection is fairly pointless. But the trend is not.

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 7:08 pm

    Herbie

    OK, I think we’ve got there.

    All that pompous, learned-sounding stuff in your original post, viz:

    “I’m sure Nassim Nicholas Taleb would agree that Scotland is best positioned for either eventuality by maintaining financial links in the meantime but allowing itself the ability to quickly make sovereign independent financial decisions in its own interest should that need arise.”

    boils down, after questioning by me, to no more than saying that Scotland should stay in a currency union with the UK until it is advantageous for it not to do so, whereupon it would leave said union.

    Great! And very convincing as a strategy.

    The only flaw in that devilishly cunning bit of “positioning” is that it’s been ruled out by the leaders of Britain’s three main political parties.

    The only politician you quote as having said it would be possible is who, exactly? I think you forgot to give his name in your post at 17h26…..

    **********************

    Anyway, you’ve diverted from the thrust of my original post, written at 15h20.

    Grateful for any comments you might have on that main thrust. What do you think, for instance, of the idea that Mr Alex Salmond is a modern Scottish version of the late Mr Harold Wilson?

  25. Can they put Lord George Robertson at the helm? Please?

    His service to the British Union by killing Scottish Nationalism stone dead with the mighty weapon of devolution, and his performance converting listeners at this independence debate shows a campaigning ability likely unmatched among the No Campaign team, despite stiff competition from Brown, Reid, Lamont, Darling et al.

    Haw Haw for No! Make it so!

  26. Believing ‘superior political ethics and morality’ to be a valid argument is of course impotent thinking within a ‘Life is Beautiful’ box that allures to remaining in the bomb shelter until the siren wails continuously rather than actively sharing responsibility to douse the flames of destruction and collapse.

    Goodness and decency does reside in the human psyche being suppressed most of the time by a need to survive the unavoidable implosion of our present paradigm dominated by greed and selfishness.

    The rest of ‘La Vita è Bella’ is just musical notes – applepie, applepie, applepie.

  27. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 8:12 pm

    “Believing ‘superior political ethics and morality’ to be a valid argument is of course impotent thinking within a ‘Life is Beautiful’ box that allures to remaining in the bomb shelter until the siren wails continuously rather than actively sharing responsibility to douse the flames of destruction and collapse.

    Goodness and decency does reside in the human psyche being suppressed most of the time by a need to survive the unavoidable implosion of our present paradigm dominated by greed and selfishness.”
    ___________________

    What on earth is the above purple prose supposed to MEAN? Translation into clear English welcome.

  28. Habby

    I only explain these things to you because you’re so ignorant of world affairs you can’t work it out for yourself.

    Anyway. Here’s your latest howler:

    “The only flaw in that devilishly cunning bit of “positioning” is that it’s been ruled out by the leaders of Britain’s three main political parties.”

    They’re lying.

    That’s their strategy. Their only one.

    The more observant will note that these thieving parasites and their fellows across the western world have a proven habit of lying about everything.

  29. If we assume that the trends are linear:
    then Scotland will vote yes
    and a few years later…
    everyone will be vegetarian
    everyone will earn their living as an Elvis impersonator

  30. “They’re lying.”

    What a convenient argument, everyone who doesn’t agree with you is lying and everyone who does isn’t.

    But what the anonymous politician actually said was that currency union would be horse traded for the nukes on the Clyde.

    So just how principled are the Nationalists? Will you trade nukes for union with the rest of Britain? Let the Bank of England control your economy set your interest rates, in exchange for hosting a nuclear submarine base?

  31. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 11:18 pm

    Herbie

    Just two questions, the first of which refers back to the thrust of my original post, on which you are carefully avoiding commentary.

    1/. Do you also believe that Alex Salmond is to present-day Scottish politics what the late Harold Wilson was to UK politics?

    2/. Would you still support Scottish independence if you thought that it would be of benefit to the remaining parts of the United Kingdom and in particular England?

  32. As for the nukes, they will go, of that I am sure. On currency I am not certain what will be the eventual outcome, but countries have had currencies for thousands of years, and a large number of new ones have been launched in my lifetime. We’ll manage. I am not scared of change, as you appear to be.

    One thing for sure – if we don’t vote for independence, nukes and the B of E will both remain. That is the lack of logic to your position.

  33. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 11:25 pm

    Herbie

    Sorry, there was a third question as well:

    3/. Would you agree that the clever “positioning” by the Scots Nats you refer to is entirely dependent on the leaders of the three main UK parties lying when they rule out a currency union? If so, would you further agree that that clever “positioning” would be worthless if it were to turn out that they were not lying?

  34. Fred

    It’s not that complicated.

    The London political and media class, on behalf of their masters, are desperate that Scotland remain in the UK.

    That’s obvious.

    All you have to do is ask yourself why.

    Clue: It ain’t for the benefit of Scots, no more than anything these parasites do is for the benefit of anyone but themselves.

    It’s simple. When people want to deceive you, they lie, threaten, bully, distract etc.

    As the western imperium descends further round the u bend you see the above tactics employed all over the world, against anyone who wants to take an independent path out from under their yoke.

    Scotland leaving the Union is but one of their many problems.

    Didn’t have to be that way of course. They could have shared the wealth more evenly and then people might have more fondness for them.

    But no. They’re much too greedy for that.

    And anyway, as we’ve seen, they have an agenda which doesn’t include oiks of any nationality or none.

    All people can do now is desert them as soon as humanly possible.

  35. Habby

    The Scots can peg to sterling. Doesn’t need London permission.

    That’s why London’s threats are a lie, and they know it.

    It would certainly be much better from London’s position to agree a currency union, but in lying about this they’re simply removing what small leverage they had.

    For Scots it’s no more than a transitional arrangement, in any event.

    They’re so desperate that they’re cutting off their own nose to spite their face.

    All of this will get much worse before it’s over, and that includes their antics on the Russian and Chinese borders, the Middle East, Africa and South America.

    They’re desperate.

    This is what happens when empires collapse. It ain’t pretty, and even the collapse of the British Empire in relatively more benign circumstances, was a pitiful thing to behold.

    That’s about the only bit where Harold Wilson has relevance.

  36. There will be a currency union for so long as it suits the Scots. I suspect that that will not be very long, perhaps about two parliaments (I’d estimate the same lifespan for the monarchy).

    The SNP might be cautious enough, but I see SNP/Green/Socialist rainbows in the sky, and that sort of coalition will be less sentimental. Westminster will have to whisper very sexily indeed to Holyrood if they don’t want Scotland to withdraw from sterling and let it tank.

    It might already be too late. Imagine post-Farage UK grovelling to Brussels for entry to the Euro. Sweet.

  37. “I am not scared of change, as you appear to be.”

    Probably because you live in Norfolk.

  38. “As for the nukes, they will go, of that I am sure. ”

    So it was the anonymous politician who was lying then.

  39. “It’s not that complicated.”

    You’re the one complicating things.

    You say the government is lying and the anonymous politician was telling the truth.

    Craig says the anonymous politician was lying and the government was telling the truth.

    It’s an either/or situation you can’t have both.

  40. Ba'al Zevul (Flames 'R' Us)

    23 Apr, 2014 - 8:48 am

    “I am not scared of change, as you appear to be.”

    Probably because you live in Norfolk.

    That option is available to all. I moved to Norfolk because there were no jobs in Scotland at the time (other than picking winkles, Fred – hope the big ebb was good for you). Change might involve Scotland’s being able to create employment in sectors currently discouraged by our globalist-arselicking leaders. Think positive. Though that must be hard to do in the NE.

  41. The ‘smug fat git’ is one Blair McDougall.

    He has a history of working for Zionist supporters in NuLabour, some of them Labour Friends of Israel.

    ‘Better Together’s Campaign Director is Labour activist Blair McDougall,[4] who was a special adviser to Ian McCartney (2004-2007) and James Purnell (2007-2008) during the Labour governments of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. He was national director of the Labour Party’s Movement for Change organisation from 2011 and also ran David Miliband’s campaign for the Labour Party leadership[5] before joining Better Together.[6]’
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Together_(campaign)

    Purnell is at the BBC as Director of Strategy and Digital. Salary £295k!
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/managementstructure/biographies/purnell_james/

    Interesting declarations for hospitality received.
    http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/managementstructure/biographies/pdf/Q2_1314/james_purnell_gh_q2_2013_14.pdf#zoom=100
    http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/managementstructure/biographies/pdf/Q1_1314/james_purnell_gh_q1_2013_14.pdf#zoom=100

    BCG stands for Boston Consulting Group for whom he was a Senior Advisor. Keeping up the old connections.

    Purnell was one time chair of LFoI.

    This Labour Friend of Israel is on the campaign.
    http://bettertogether.net/blog/entry/jim-murphy-mp
    ‘If I thought independence would be good for Scotland then I would support it. But it isn’t & I don’t…’
    Murphy has been chair and vice chair of LFoI and is also on the Henry Jackson Advisory Council. Nice.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Murphy

  42. Craig lives in Ramsgate.

  43. “That option is available to all. I moved to Norfolk because there were no jobs in Scotland at the time (other than picking winkles, Fred – hope the big ebb was good for you). Change might involve Scotland’s being able to create employment in sectors currently discouraged by our globalist-arselicking leaders. Think positive. Though that must be hard to do in the NE.”

    Don’t seem to concerned about the jobs of around 10 thousand people on the Clyde do you? That’s not counting those who work in the only shipyard which won’t last long without the RN contracts. How secure are the jobs of all the servicemen? Will Britain want foreign nationals in their army?

    BTW you forgot to mention Craig was born in Norfolk as well. Here in the Highlands don’t we just love people in the south of England trying to dictate our destiny.

  44. “Craig lives in Ramsgate.”

    Well now that doesn’t make much difference when he’s accusing people who live in Scotland of being more afraid of change than him.

  45. Ba'al Zevul (Flames 'R' Us)

    23 Apr, 2014 - 9:31 am

    Don’t seem to concerned about the jobs of around 10 thousand people on the Clyde do you? That’s not counting those who work in the only shipyard which won’t last long without the RN contracts. How secure are the jobs of all the servicemen? Will Britain want foreign nationals in their army?

    The really wonderful thing about shipyards is that they don’t have to build weapons of war. They can build cargo vessels, cruise liners and, most wonderfully of all, tidal-energy arrays. They can build ROV’s for seabed mineral extraction, and their support vessels. With a less sclerotic attitude on the part of any government, UK or Scottish, towards innovation and hands-on technology, these things could be added unto you.

    Meanwhile, I wouldn’t be banking on the continued supply of naval contracts by the UK to the UK. We’re in the process of realising that we’re a second-rate power – if that – we haven’t got any money, and our leaders tend to prioritise banks when thinking of people to give money to

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    23 Apr, 2014 - 9:33 am

    “The ‘smug fat git’ is one Blair McDougall.

    He has a history of working for Zionist supporters in NuLabour, some of them Labour Friends of Israel. Etc, etc, etc…”

    __________________

    Didn’t take long for Mary to weave her pet obsession into this thread, did it. :)

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    23 Apr, 2014 - 9:38 am

    Ba’al Zevul

    “The really wonderful thing about shipyards is that they don’t have to build weapons of war. They can build cargo vessels, cruise liners and, most wonderfully of all, tidal-energy arrays. They can build ROV’s for seabed mineral extraction, and their support vessels.”
    __________________

    All very true, Ba’al Zevul – as long as they get the orders.

    Last time I looked, the few remaining UK shipyards weren’t doing too well on the non-military side of things, were they.

  48. Habbabkuk, 9:38 am:

    “Last time I looked, the few remaining UK shipyards weren’t doing too well on the non-military side of things, were they.”

    The high exchange rate for the UK pound inhibits exports.

  49. Have I missed out something obvious?

    Yes – the importance of the electoral system, the procedural rules, and institutional cultures. Holyrood is not Westminster. There is no unelected upper house that disgraced former MSPs can shuffle off to. MSPs expenses claims are published automatically, in full. We have a system of proportional representation, and far fewer safe seats, so the composition of the Parliament is much more representative of public opinion. The front bench isn’t stuffed full of landed gentry and millionaire Oxbridge graduates. Etc, etc…

    It’s not just about the morals or ethics of individual politicians, nor is it just about the world order at a macro-scale. It’s about the specific political, social, and institutional factors in play in a particular polity at a particular time. If it weren’t, then all countries would be the same, and it wouldn’t matter a damn whether you lived in Sweden or Somalia.

    In short, institutions matter. Culture matters. History matters.

  50. H is unusually quiet, and actually absent, on the Aaronovitch thread.

  51. Mary,

    Anon’s nauseating trolling is more than making up for H’s absence on the Aaronovitch thread.

    Of course it could be the same troll on both threads and just the standard sock-puppet name change tactic.

  52. “The really wonderful thing about shipyards is that they don’t have to build weapons of war. They can build cargo vessels, cruise liners and, most wonderfully of all, tidal-energy arrays. They can build ROV’s for seabed mineral extraction, and their support vessels. With a less sclerotic attitude on the part of any government, UK or Scottish, towards innovation and hands-on technology, these things could be added unto you. ”

    BAE don’t build anything of that sort.

    Only thing keeping ship building on the Clyde alive is the MoD.

  53. fred, 4:09 pm:

    “Only thing keeping ship building on the Clyde alive is the MoD.”

    The thing keeping other shipbuilding dead is the high exchange rate.

  54. “In short, institutions matter. Culture matters. History matters.”

    Then take a look at the political history of Glasgow.

    The SNP started by greatly increasing police numbers even though there was no increase in crime. They amalgamated all Scotland’s police forces into one force and gave them powers of stop and search which some say contravene human rights laws. They are currently conducting twice as many stop and searches as the Metropolitan Police. Now MacAskill has transferred his powers as Justice Secretary to the unelected Chief of Police.

    What use would proportional representation be in a police state?

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    23 Apr, 2014 - 5:43 pm

    Clark

    “The thing keeping other shipbuilding dead is the high exchange rate.”
    ______________________-

    You’ve said that twice now – in “reply” to Fred and me – and all it shows is that you’re economically illiterate.

    The decline of ship-building in Scotland started decades ago and had nothing to do with high or low exchange rates but everything to do with being non-competitive, producing shoddy work and never meeting deadlines.

    As Fred has said, it is almost entirely dependent on MoD work.

  56. Habbabkuk, 5:43 pm; the gutter press has always blamed the work force for lack of exports, but always avoiding mentioning that a high exchange rate impedes exports by increasing their price for foreign buyers. It has always campaigned to “keep the pound strong”. It has always blamed immigrants for the shortage of employment, but always avoided mentioning that a high exchange rate attracts immigration.

  57. Habbabkuk, 5:43 pm:

    “everything to do with being non-competitive…”

    Yes, a high exchange rate makes a country’s goods less competitive abroad.

    Workers would probably work more enthusiastically if they were building something other than machines of death and destruction. Delaying and fucking up the building of battleships probably seems pretty ethical to normal human beings.

  58. @Clark

    Beforer the war when the shipyards were booming we were getting four dollars to the pound. As the value of sterling fell the shipyards declined.

  59. Mhara Castello

    24 Apr, 2014 - 11:37 am

    Reply to ‘Habba-Bella’-
    “Didn’t take long for Mary to weave her pet obsession into this thread, did it”.

    Mary’s “pet obsession” as you so dismissively refer to it, just happens to be one of (if not THE most) worthwhile “obsessions” on this planet right now; shared (thankfully) by countless others (who don’t quite see it as you do)in possession of a backbone, a brain and a heart. Unless you consider the systematic destruction of a noble race of people,(along with their homes,land,livelihoods etc.)to be of no consequence. THIS is Zionism in practise.

    Speaking of “weaving”, “pet obsession” is better suited to a piece of knitting than the suffering brought about by Zionism -(aided & abetted by the British government)to weave its insidious way into the lives of innocents; May 1948(Nakba)to the present day. If dedication to a worthy cause (justice for Palestine)is a “pet obsession” the sooner we’re ALL “obsessed, a better place this world will be.

  60. “Mary’s “pet obsession” as you so dismissively refer to it, just happens to be one of (if not THE most) worthwhile “obsessions” on this planet right now; shared (thankfully) by countless others (who don’t quite see it as you do)in possession of a backbone, a brain and a heart.”

    What a load of bombastic bullshit. More people suffer and die in internecine religious conflicts OUTSIDE of Israel and Palestine than within their combined borders.

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