UK Moves to Block US Senate Report to Protect Blair, Straw and Dearlove

by craig on April 14, 2014 12:04 pm in Uncategorized

From a British diplomatic source I learn that Britain has lobbied the United States against the publication of the Senate Intelligence Committee report on torture and extraordinary rendition.  The lobbying has been carried out “at all levels” – White House, State Department and CIA.  The British have argued that at the very least the report must be emasculated before publication.

The British argument is that in a number of court cases including the Belhadj case, the British government has successfully blocked legal action by victims on the grounds that this would weaken the US/UK intelligence relationship and thus vitally damage national security, by revealing facts the American intelligence service wish hidden.  [We will leave aside for the moment the utter shame of our servile groveling judges accepting such an argument].  The British Government are now pointing out to the Americans that this argument could be fatally weakened if major detail of the full horror and scope of torture and extraordinary rendition is revealed by the Senate Intelligence Committee.  The argument runs that this could in turn lead to further revelations in the courts and block the major defence against prosecutions of Blair, Straw and Dearlove, among others, potentially unleashing a transatlantic wave of judicial activism.

The unabashed collusion of two torturing security states in concealing the truth of their despicable acts – including complicity in the torture of women and minors – and blocking criminal prosecution of the guilty is a sign of how low public ethics have sunk.  Fortunately there are still a few people in the British Foreign Office disgusted enough to leak it.

 

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  1. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Apr, 2014 - 12:24 pm

    This is not good. Two questions

    1/. you say that the UK has lobbied the White House, State and the CIA. Do you know how receptive they have been to this UK lobbying? Have they in turn put pressure on the Senate Committee?

    2/. If so, are there any first indications of what the Senate Committe is minded to do?

  2. So Cameron and his cohort are attempting to hold the line to protect Blair, Straw and Dearlove. Incredible. In Felicity Arbuthnot’s piece on the previous thread, she reports on meetings between Blair and Cameron. The latter is now being described as ‘Heir to Blair’.

    ~~~

    The trial of Abu Hamza is about to start in New York. Torture is mentioned in this BBC report.

    ‘In fighting against the extradition, his lawyers claimed some of the evidence that could be used against him in the US was obtained using torture.

    They also claimed he could face inhumane treatment, but courts eventually found that his human rights would not be violated.’

    Abu Hamza terror trial set to start in US
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27015350

    There is little news about Abu Qatada in Jordan.

    Defence team for Abu Qatada asks for delay in terrorism trial
    http://www.albawaba.com/news/abu-qatada-trial–564763

  3. Habbabkuk,

    My understanding is the response was that the Obama administration is of the same view that the report should be blocked or watered down to pointlessness. I don’t eexpect Feinstein to do much except bluster.

  4. Ba'al Zevul (Keep Calm, Dear!)

    14 Apr, 2014 - 12:38 pm

    I hope that Obama will proceed with releasing as much of the report as is possible, and that he will do so in the interests primarily of Americans, as he is paid to. Our lobbying to prevent this is itself clear evidence of our complicity – if we had no part in it there would be no reason whatever to try to influence a foreign government. And cases thrown out on the grounds of security should be retried in the light of any relevant US findings once they become public property.

  5. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Apr, 2014 - 12:39 pm

    Craig,
    Thanks for that. It would be good if Feinstein found a hitherto hidden pair of cojones (or had a pair grafted onto her by her Committee colleagues).
    If the report does get out unexpurgated, it would not be the first time that information unavailable in the UK is dug out via the US (to whom all praise for that).

  6. “The British have argued…”

    If we were still a functioning democracy, then we would all share the blame; but the British people were unaware of what these spiteful little Bureaucrats were up to, in our name.

  7. Rather enigmatically, she seemed to speak some sense here.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/15/feinstein-under-fire-for-israel-comments.html

    whereas last year, she went along with a similar resolution.

    ‘Brooks also pointed out that Feinstein voted for a Senate resolution last year, sponsored by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), that contained the exact same language. That resolution passed last May by a vote of 99-0.’

    She is 80.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianne_Feinstein

  8. Ba'al Zevul (Keep Calm, Dear!)

    14 Apr, 2014 - 12:53 pm

    Feinstein’s apparent eagerness to open up the report may have something to do with the CIA hacking the SIC’s computers last year. This from Fox News gives another, albeit rightwing, take on Feinstein -

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/20/freedom-for-me-but-not-for-thee-dianne-feinstein-cia-and/

  9. Chilcot – (verb) – To Chilcot – to lightly tickle with a feather duster before taking the participant out for a lovely, boozy dinner.

    How come i’m not even slightly surprised. I guess there may be electoral cycle issues which could allow publication but I doubt it….

  10. The psychology community was less than exemplary in their response. Mitchell and Jessen were professional psychologists hired to generate torture techniques that would not leave marks and would allow euphemisms to be believed. Now everyone is running around like Captain Reynault in Casablanca, “shocked” to hear that torture has occurred

  11. YouKnowMyName

    14 Apr, 2014 - 1:01 pm

    Don’t forget Jack Straw’s convoluted confirmation of the UK’s over-collecting over-influential corrupt Security State
    from Andre Tyrie MP (CON) http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debate/?id=2010-03-18b.1057.0

    : I shall quote the then Foreign Secretary, Mr. Straw, who likened what I and others were suggesting to conspiracy theories. He said:

    “Unless we all start to believe in conspiracy theories and that the officials are lying, that I am lying, that behind this there is some kind of secret state which is in league with some dark forces in the United States…there simply is no truth in the claims that the United Kingdom had been involved in rendition”

    you can see why UKUSA is lobbying hard!

  12. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Apr, 2014 - 1:01 pm

    Yes, what IS going on exactly with the Chilcot inquiry report?

    It may be that that report, when it finally emerges, will be less anodyne than many suspect. There are some FCO mandarins of the older generation who might not be adverse to putting in the boot into the Blair administrations….

  13. I read the Fox story. Interesting I had never hear of British General Warrants before; I can see why the American colonials were annoyed by them. Whilst reading it up popped up an F Type Jag ad with the line “There’s a new British villain in town”.

  14. Seems much too personalized, and too benign about why Britain is lobbying against the release of the report.

    There are assassinations that the UK has to be worried about, like that of GMP Chief Constable Mike Todd who had been completely frustrated in investigating, and the list of individuals would have to be increased to include officials like MI5 Directors, especially Jonathan ‘Bob’ Evans, key officers in the police, and those in GCHQ.

    A proper inquiry calls for more than just picking out a few most disliked ones, as Britain has been up to its ears in the process, and its cover up.

  15. Britain has always used torture, subsequent governments have always covered it up.

    There was one prisoner who had been held by the Gestapo and by the British at the London cage in WWII who said that the British were by far the worse.

  16. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    Mike Rogers, who is retiring from the House, is the mirror-image of Feinstein. He’s got big plans for carving his ideal Security State.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/30/mike-rogers-2016_n_5058537.html

    “”You know, Ronald Reagan back in 1980 — I don’t have to tell you — used his platform as a radio commentator to run for president,” said Wallace. “So is that a consideration for you? Are you prepared at this point to rule out any interest in 2016?”

    “Ronald Reagan used his platform on radio to run for president of the United States? I had no idea, Chris,” replied Rogers with a coy, joking smile.

    After a long pause, Wallace responded, “So what are you saying?”

    “Listen, I’m going to take it where it goes,” said Rogers. “This is a very unique opportunity that I will be able to talk about issues in ways you don’t hear on a national radio platform today, about the importance of national security, foreign policy and all of the issues facing America. … My goal here is to be as engaging as I can and to get listeners’ opinion.”

    Rogers will have a radio show on stations affiliated with Atlanta-based Cumulus Media. His interest in broadcasting dates back to his time in college, when he had a radio show. He has also been a frequent TV guest while in Congress.

    On Sunday, Rogers also criticized “celebrity politicians using issues” in a way that is “detrimental to the national security of the United States,” although he declined to name names.

  17. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 3:14 pm

    “In 2006, Cumulus acquired control of Susquehanna Radio, with the backing of 3 venture capital firms (Bain Capital Partners LLC, The Blackstone Group and Thomas H. Lee Partners, L.P.) for a price of $1.2 Billion.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulus_Media

    The usual suspects….

  18. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 3:16 pm

  19. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 3:28 pm

  20. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 3:40 pm

    “Blum’s wife, Senator Dianne Feinstein, has received scrutiny due to her husband’s government contracts and extensive business dealings with China and her past votes on trade issues with the country. Blum has denied any wrongdoing, however.[3] Critics have argued that business contracts with the US government awarded to a company (Perini) controlled by Blum may raise a potential conflict-of-interest issue with the voting and policy activities of his wife.[4] URS Corp, which Blum had a substantial stake in, bought EG&G, a leading provider of technical services and management to the U.S. military, from The Carlyle Group in 2002; EG&G subsequently won a $600m defense contract.[1]

    In 2009 it was reported that Blum’s wife Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation to provide $25 billion in taxpayer money to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp, a government agency that had recently awarded her husband’s real estate firm, CB Richard Ellis, what the Washington Times called “a lucrative contract to sell foreclosed properties at compensation rates higher than the industry norms.”[5]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Blum

    Blum Capital is associated with CBRE; a Blackstone tentacle.

  21. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 3:42 pm

    Is the picture becoming clearer?

  22. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Apr, 2014 - 3:50 pm

    Fred

    “There was one prisoner who had been held by the Gestapo and by the British at the London cage in WWII who said that the British were by far the worse.”
    _______________

    After pointing to the fact that not everyone held by the Gestapo was actually tortured (especially before the war, and in Germany itself), I should like to ask Fred to provide more info on the above; for example, who was this prisoner?

    {On a historical note, further info for Fred : after the partition of Poland in 1939, there were exchanges between the NKVD and Gestapo of Communists and /or Jews who had fled from Nazi Germany (who were handed over to the Gestapo) and of refugees from Soviet Russia (who were handed over by the Gestapo). Several, writing after the war (Mrs M.Buber-Neumann was one), claimed that their treatment in Soviet Russia was worse than their treatment by the Gestapo.}

  23. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Apr, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    Ben

    “Is the picture becoming clearer?”
    _________________

    No. For God’s sake make your point clearly and preferably succinctly.

  24. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 3:53 pm

    You can lead a Jackass to water…….

  25. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 4:21 pm

  26. Was David Miliband also complicit?

  27. Is the picture becoming clearer?

    Yes Ben and it is all so horribly predictable.

  28. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 5:07 pm

    Mary; Feinstein is being portrayed as a reformer, but she is jacked-into the same mindset.

    Of course, she was upset that her own ox was gored (her credibility?) and she feigns some precious outrage.

  29. ” block the major defence against prosecutions of Blair, Straw and Dearlove, among others ”

    such as David Cameron and William Hague

  30. doug scorgie

    14 Apr, 2014 - 7:42 pm

    You’ve changed your tune Habbakuk.

    You said it was all a “conspiracy theory”.

  31. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Apr, 2014 - 8:11 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    I don’t recall ever saying anything about the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on torture, but I might of course be mistaken. Do you have a link/quotation?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Support the GBP, the USD and the CHF, sell reals, rubles and renminbis.

  32. Here’s the point back in 2009 when UK judges weren’t totally convinced by the FCO’s argument that disclosing the UK’s complicity in torture would harm relationships with the US:

    “What made the FCO ratchet up the dispute is the judges’ devastating ruling last month, when they accused Miliband of acting in a way that was harmful to the rule of law by suppressing evidence about what the government knew of the illegal treatment of Mohamed.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/12/torture-foreign-office-miliband-judge

    Miliband has since gone on to take up the role of president and CEO of IRC.

    http://www.spinwatch.org/index.php/issues/more/item/5483-what-is-david-miliband-s-international-rescue-committee

    The CIA has long had an active role in this ngo. Others like NED were deliberately created as CIA front organisations during the period when the CIA was under political pressure over its illegal activities.

    NED was heavily involved in Ukraine, for example, and Putin has moved to close down these US ngos activities in Russia, much as Kennedy wanted the Israeli lobby organisations to register as foreign entities. Never happened after his assassination.

    Sibel Edmonds, in a wide ranging interview on Gladio and its successors, has pointed out that the CIA now prefers to base its foreign staff within such ngos than in more obvious embassy attachment.

    http://wideshut.co.uk/gladio-b-the-origins-of-natos-secret-islamic-terrorist-proxies/

  33. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 8:35 pm

    Blackstone is a major contributor to IRC, Herbie. Of course, they fund several non-profits.

    http://www.rescue.org/become-corporate-partner

  34. This article explains how clever neocons made torture legal:

    “But soon after Alberto R. Gonzales’s arrival as attorney general in February 2005, the Justice Department issued another opinion, this one in secret. It was a very different document, according to officials briefed on it, an expansive endorsement of the harshest interrogation techniques ever used by the Central Intelligence Agency.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/washington/04interrogate.html?pagewanted=all

    Amnesty USA’s take on the matter:

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/torture

  35. Back to Miliband D who ran off and found a niche.

    http://www.rescue.org/david-miliband

    David Miliband’s move to the US : A staff of 12,000 and a salary of £300,000 on the aid gravy train
    •Top job at International Rescue Committee charity includes number of perks
    •Complimentary private health care and gold-plated, tax-free pension
    •Likely to be paid five times salary of Labour MP for 37-and-a-half hour week

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300240/David-Milibands-US–A-staff-12-000-salary-300-000-aid-gravy-train.html

  36. Even The Daily Mail saw through Miliband’s role:

    “But the odds-on favourite to win the leadership contest, former Foreign Secretary David Miliband, is finding it very hard indeed to disentangle himself from the most sordid and shameful aspect of New Labour rule – British involvement in the torture of numerous terror suspects overseas.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1295158/TORTURE-INQUIRY-Nailed-David-Miliband-6-lies-abuse.html

    They further claimed that the trail led all the way to Blair:

    “Tony Blair was accused of ordering Jack Straw to ‘violate the law’ as the row over Britain colluding in torture took a new twist.

    Previously secret documents exposed their alleged roles in sanctioning British citizens being sent to Guantanamo Bay, where they were abused.

    For the first time, the former Prime Minister’s office is implicated in a series of explosive classified files which Labour ministers battled to suppress but which have been released on the orders of the High Court.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1294868/TORTURE-INQUIRY-Former-PM-Tony-Blair-sanctioned-abuse-UK-citizens.html

  37. Interesting look at how the torture issue is played out politically in the US:

    “Gordon’s book, like most others, speaks of torture as being largely in the past — even while admitting that it isn’t really. “Bush administration-era policies” are acknowledged to be ongoing, and yet somehow they retain the name “Bush administration-era policies,” and discussion of their possible prosecution in a court of law does not consider the control that the current chief perpetrator has over law enforcement and his obvious preference not to see a predecessor prosecuted for something he’s doing.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/torture-is-mainstream-now/5377746

    Seems similar to how the issue plays politically in the UK.

    Here Liberty explain how the UK colludes in torture using secret courts to conceal their complicity:

    “In recent times extraordinary steps have been taken to keep any information about possible UK complicity in torture secret. The previous government sought to use principles of public interest immunity to restrict access to government documents and to suppress parts of a court judgment in the case of Binyam Mohamed which outlined what the UK knew about torture and ill-treatment of detainees in US custody.”

    http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/human-rights/no-torture/uk-complicity-torture

  38. Brennan First

    14 Apr, 2014 - 9:26 pm

    The transatlantic panic comes from US review by the Human Rights Committee (HRC), which just assessed US compliance with the ICCPR, a binding treaty with which all domestic legislation must be brought into compliance and supreme law of the land equivalent to federal statute. Here’s what the HRC said: “Interpret the Covenant in good faith.”

    Holy shit.

    Then,

    “Accountability for past human rights violations
    5. The Committee is concerned at the limited number of investigations, prosecutions and convictions of members of the Armed Forces and other agents of the U.S. Government, including private contractors, for unlawful killings in its international operations and the use of torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment of detainees in U.S. custody, including outside its territory, as part of the so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques” program. While welcoming the Presidential Executive Order 13491 of 22 January 2009 terminating the programme of secret detention and interrogation operated by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Committee notes with concern that all reported investigations into enforced disappearances, torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment that had been committed in the context of the CIA secret rendition, interrogation and detention programmes were closed in 2012 leading only to a meagre number of criminal charges brought against low-level operatives. The Committee is concerned that many details of the CIA programme remain secret thereby creating barriers to accountability and redress for victims (arts. 2, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 14).

    “The State party should ensure that all cases of unlawful killing, torture or other ill-treatment, unlawful detention, or enforced disappearance are effectively, independently and impartially investigated, that perpetrators, including, in particular, persons in command positions, are prosecuted and sanctioned, and that victims are provided with effective remedies. The responsibility of those who provided legal pretexts for manifestly illegal behavior should also be established. The State party should also consider the full incorporation of the doctrine of ‘command responsibility’ in its criminal law and declassify and make public the report of the Senate Special Committee on Intelligence into the CIA secret detention programme.”

    Article 7, which deals with torture, is a non-derogable right and a peremptory norm to boot. That gives every country in the world a responsibility to stop the US breaches and hold the state and its officials to account.

    And this is only the warmup. The US goes before the Committee Against Torture in November. Then the US response gets tested against the binding requirements for investigation, prosecution, and compensation in the Convention Against Torture. Granted the US and UK have pissed away virtually all their influence, standing, and soft power, but now the whole world is watching them try to squirm out of this commitment: “No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.”

    NATO’s already a mile wide and an inch deep but this could fatally weaken it. As it is, NATO allies in Afghanistan are afraid to hold prisoners at all, they pass them off like hot potatoes to avoid the appearance of refoulement to the US torture state.

    Think Ukraine cannot blow up? The US needs a war to get out of this.

  39. I’m not going to hold my breath for a candid release of information from the Americans. But I do like the idea of both the UK and US being embarrassed for having to hide this information from the people they purport to represent.

  40. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 9:29 pm

    “The US needs a war to get out of this.”

    All roads lead to Teheran.

  41. Brennan First

    14 Apr, 2014 - 9:40 pm

    @ben hell, the US has got nothing to lose from aggression at this point. The Special Rapporteur on Counter-terrorism and Human Rights stated that US policy authorities are promulgated with the intent of “practically shielding from criminal and disciplinary responsibility all those involved in what appears to be a joint enterprise leading to widespread and systematic violations of Article 7.” That is, a serious crime of concern to the international community. Specifically, a crime against humanity. Universal jurisdiction, no statute of limitations. No impunity for heads of state.

  42. Blair’s had no major honour yet, which is usually given to senior politicians when they boost the military-industrial capacity to kill lots of foreigners.
    His brand is toxic. So why is he being protected? Maybe he’ll tell tales out of school if he gets collared. I wonder if he’ll fall ill quite soon like Cook and Kelly…

  43. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 9:58 pm

    “His brand is toxic. So why is he being protected?”

    Can you imagine the length and breadth if he gets squeezed and starts talking?

    Blair likes to travel without fears about his chances of arriving safely. He’s being protected because so many need protection.

  44. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    14 Apr, 2014 - 10:00 pm

    Mike; sorry that comment left off your name.

  45. Toxic Tony.

    And that’s just what his friends say.

    Yeah. I’ve long thought they’ll be looking for a scapegoat:

    “Tony Blair: from New Labour hero to political embarrassment

    Friend of the Murdochs, adviser to authoritarian regimes and associate of the super-rich – the former prime minister’s reputation is on a downward spiral. And each new revelation manages to be more jaw-dropping than the last”

    “It would be hard for him to move into working for more liberal international institutions,” says a former ally, “because he’s toxic.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/26/tony-blair-new-labour-hero-political-embarrassment-murdoch

    Puts Zoe Williams hagiographic article, the subject of the previous thread, in new light. He must now be desperate for any positive media he can get. Pity it wasn’t well received.

  46. Thanks Craig.

    On public ethics. Humans are supposed to work and co-operate. As Craig shows
    we are not so far away from deciphering our true being although the diversionary tactics employed by the status quo disable us to become the image of man?

  47. “So why is he being protected? ”

    It’s traditional, politicians always protect their predecessors. It means they themselves can do what they want, legal or illegal, and there won’t be any comeback.

  48. @Fred: And they call it Democracy?

  49. “And they call it Democracy?”

    Yes. In dictatorships ex heads of government tend to be hung from lamp posts or rodgered with bit of stick or something.

    Both systems have their merits.

  50. Craig,

    MAJOR respect for this post…holy hell you’ve got balls of steel for daring to push this post.

    One of the most important posts in the history of this blog-which is saying something indeed Craig.

    How much longer can the architects of this global institutionalised torture,gang-stalking,MK-Ultra programme hide?

    Thank you so much for this brave,vital and defining post Craig.

    Deep respect.

  51. Allow me also,Craig,to add my deepest respect for those extremely brave,principled and moral souls in the British FO who’ve leaked this vital info.

    I’m usually no fan of the Establishment but this act of bravery and principle shines so much positive decent humane light on the last decade or so of weak cowardly reptiles lies.

    Thank you all.

  52. There is no mention of Craig’s work here (I second Jives above) or any mention of Blair’s involvement with torture in the comments sections on these rather feeble Guardian articles.

    Don’t be nostalgic about Tony Blair. His effect on Britain and beyond was toxic
    The Iraq war is rightly seen as a defining low point in Blair’s career, but the damage he did does not stop there
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/14/blairism-britain-iraq-war-tony-blair
    Chris Nineham STWC 14 April 2014

    Publish Chilcot report on Iraq war now, says Nick Clegg
    Deputy PM appears to suggest that those likely to face criticism in inquiry’s conclusions are partly to blame for delay
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/14/publish-chilcot-report-iraq-war-nick-clegg
    Rowena Mason, political correspondent Monday 14 April 2014

    not forgetting the Zoe Williams’ whitewash.

    ~~~

    Clegg’s piece is risible. I am sure that when he roars, the powers-that-be roll over.

    PS The Guardian US and Washington Post have been awarded the Pulitzer prize for ‘public service’. http://www.pulitzer.org/citation/2014-Public-Service

    Edward Snowden refers to a ‘free press’ in this piece.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/14/edward-snowden-pulitzer-statement-prize-guardian-washington-post

    So free I suppose that the Guardian give Blair houseroom.

    Articles by him http://www.theguardian.com/profile/tonyblair
    and articles that discuss him or refer to him by the thousand.

  53. It is perfectly predictable, if power answers to no-one it will happily become absolutely corrupt.

    I ask sincerely and apparently naively: What UK law, or lack of it, allows intelligence /diplomatic sensitivity to essentially trump the rule of law?

    The politicians are supposed not to be above the law but “there is nothing to see”? when the intelligence agencies are routinely above serious, despised by all British, crimes?

  54. Ba'al ZZevul (Follow The Money)

    15 Apr, 2014 - 8:22 am

    Blair’s had no major honour yet…

    The most plausible reason for not taking his simpering mug to the Lords is perhaps that he would have to make a checkable disclosure of his finances. Which, as his duplicate parallel networks of income-hiding companies indicate, would not be convenient.

    Significant, in that case, that Blair’s dealings are even dodgier than those of his mucilaginous chum, “Lord” Mandelson, whose shining trail across the decks of numerous luxury yachts is more clearly visible.

  55. Ba'al Zevul (Follow The Money)

    15 Apr, 2014 - 8:24 am

    What UK law, or lack of it, allows intelligence /diplomatic sensitivity to essentially trump the rule of law?

    The Official Secrets Act.

  56. I imagine that the Senate Intelligence Report will be leaked by some “Ed Snowdon II” and so the truth will be made known in the long term anyway :)

  57. Ba'al Zevul (Follow The Money)

    15 Apr, 2014 - 8:41 am

    What UK law, or lack of it, allows intelligence /diplomatic sensitivity to essentially trump the rule of law? (2)

    The Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005

    The Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act 2011.

    The Justice and Security Act 2013

    http://www.opendemocracy.net/opensecurity/rod-jones/%E2%80%98enemies-within%E2%80%99-justice-and-security-act-2013

    I particularly recommend the last section of this piece: “The Ghost of Carl Schmitt”, as it underlines the legislative convergence between the UK and a fascist state.

  58. Sofia Kibo Noh

    15 Apr, 2014 - 9:02 am

  59. “Blair’s had no major honour yet…”

    George’s Day is coming soon, he could well get his reward for services to the establishment yet, I believe the sad demise of Mrs Thatcher created a vacancy.

  60. Sincerely hope you are wrong there Fred.

    Lord Blair of ……….? Can someone photoshop him in the ermine and suggest a place name for his title. Wouldn’t Cherie love to sit listening in her finery to the Queen’s Speech etc!

  61. Ba'al Zevul (Follow The Money)

    15 Apr, 2014 - 9:42 am

    Chilcott – 2015 (and counting). Even Clegg thinks this is a bit much, while Tony can’t wait to see it published. He still thinks Iraq wasn’t a miserable and expensive, bloody disaster. Just put your arms in here, Tony, and we’ll soon have you comfy in this special coat. Now the tranquilliser, Nurse…

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-strikes-back-at-nick-clegg-over-chilcot-report-into-iraq-war-9259866.html

  62. @Ba’al Zevul (Follow The Money)
    15 Apr, 2014 – 8:41 am

    Thank you, it seems like the Justice and Security Act 2013 is the death knell of fairness and morality in the British judicial system.
    I just read it, a chilling Act of power grabbing Fascism.

    Dude, Where’s my country?

  63. Ba'al Zevul (Follow The Money)

    15 Apr, 2014 - 11:57 am

    Just for light relief -

    http://www.worthytoshare.net/theres-island-happy-pigs-swim-around-every-bit-awesome-sounds#

    (it gets a little Orwellian halfway through ;-) )

  64. Ba'al Zevul (Follow The Money)

    15 Apr, 2014 - 11:59 am

  65. These two outfits can see the £ signs. Any connection between BLiar and the bidders?

    Abu Dhabi Fund And CVC In £1.5bn Spire Race
    The vast Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth fund enters the race to buy one of the UK’s biggest private hospital groups, Sky News learns.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1242920/abu-dhabi-fund-and-cvc-in-1-5bn-spire-race

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVC_Capital_Partners

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Dhabi_Investment_Authority

  66. You have to laugh. MI5 getting suddenly caught short?

    Russian Intelligence Analysts
    Ref:RV Russian Apr 14
    Location:London
    Salary:£30,000 including language allowance
    Closing date:12 May 2014

    The deeper you go into a language the more you uncover.

    A conversation turns from sport, to the economy, to politics. And you’re there not just to translate it, not just to interpret it; you’re there to add a depth of understanding that enables us to make the right choices to help safeguard national security.

    As a Russian intelligence analyst at MI5, you’ll be a core member of the investigative team. Your work will involve translating a wide variety of challenging audio and textual material from Russian into English. You’ll listen to Russian language telephone calls and work with written documents intercepted under warrant, and your translations and analysis will feed directly into the team’s investigations. Your excellent Russian language comprehension will enable us to make the right choices to help safeguard national security.

    This role will stretch you like no other and you’ll develop not only your Russian language but also a range of other workplace skills in a supportive environment that is both friendly and informal. Every day you’ll be exposed to new subtleties and nuances in the Russian language, new terminology, new political, cultural and social differences.

    Using your specialist Russian language skills and your knowledge of Russia’s cultural affairs, history, politics, ideology and economy, you will add real understanding to the intelligence that has been gathered and deliver clear analysis in a variety of ways. Your work will enable us to take a well-informed view of potential threats to national security, including terrorism and espionage.

    As your experience grows and following relevant training and development you should have the opportunity to become more directly involved in investigations, working closely with colleagues from across the wider UK intelligence community and presenting on your work to other departments or agencies.

    Your linguistic skills and cultural awareness will be invaluable as you’ll be asked to contribute to team discussions on how to progress investigations. You also may be involved in providing interpreting support for agent meetings or assisting with delivering realistic training for our agent runners, all of which will enable you to gain a deeper understanding of what is fascinating work.

    [...& cetera]

  67. RIP Michael C. Ruppert

    http://www.vice.com/vice-special/apocalypse-man-part-1

    A great friend has passed over – sadly missed

  68. Indeed Mark, I remember the impact that accidently stumbling on Collapse had on me; RIP Michael C. Ruppert

    A very important Blog post here, Craig doing what he does best, providing an insider’s insight, thank you.

  69. Mary 15 Apr, 2014 – 9:29 am

    “Lord Blair of ……….? Can someone photoshop him in the ermine and suggest a place name for his title. Wouldn’t Cherie love to sit listening in her finery to the Queen’s Speech etc!”

    Sorry hurried job, anyone got a better title?

    http://ubuntuone.com/6qED4cfag4PjquMEJGd05l

    Going out now, back tomorrow.

  70. A Node; “Sorry hurried job, anyone got a better title?”

    Well Robert Fisk always referred to him as “Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara”, but now thinks that “Lord Blair of Isfahan” may be more appropiate;

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-blair-should-take-responsibility-for-iraq-but-he-wont-he-cant-2069231.html

  71. Ba'al Zevul (Follow The Money)

    15 Apr, 2014 - 2:40 pm

    More correctly, Lord Mandelbrot (chaotic name, chaotic guy!) is officially styled thus: The right hon. the Baron Mandelson of Foy in the county of Herefordshire and Hartlepool in the county of Durham

    Blair will need to trump the dual-residence thing and might add a couple of foreign plaguespots to his pedigree…so…

    The right hon. the Baron Blair (KCBS, etc – insert idiotic orders at random) of Sedgefield in the county of Durham, Almaty in the country of Kazakhstan and Baghdad in the country of Iraq?

    Kigali’s a contender, too…
    http://www.inyenyerinews.org/politiki/the-untold-stories-the-former-uk-prime-minister-tony-blair-and-the-international-community-is-betraying-rwanda-and-rwandans/

  72. Sofia Kibo Noh

    15 Apr, 2014 - 2:45 pm

    Winkletoe. 12 23pm

    Beat the gridlock and get to MI5 early as thousands, eager for the colossal £30,000 salary* are expected to clog the streets, desperate to get into the interviews.

    “…A conversation turns from sport, to the economy, to politics. And you’re there not just to translate it, not just to interpret it; you’re there to add a depth of understanding that enables us to make the right choices to help safeguard national security…”

    Once you have the job, and when you have listened in on you targets for a few days and can’t bear to hear another word about Lokomotiv Moscow you can get the fecker droned.
    In a few months time you can join the drone pilot in therapy.

    http://www.swords-to-plowshares.org/2013/02/25/drone-pilots-are-found-to-get-stress-disorders-like-combat/

    I bet you’ll be able to find the kidnappers and torturers in there too.

    *including language allowance!!!

  73. Ba'al Zevul (Follow The Money)

    15 Apr, 2014 - 2:50 pm

    eager for the colossal £30,000 salary*

    Was wondering about that, too. And the cost of commuting to the nearest affordable housing, in Handsworth, maybe. The language allowance will be for fluency in Brum.

  74. Thanks A Node for that and for the name suggestions. Excellent.

    These are some ‘news’ items for Mandelslime.

    Britain can cut gas prices by working with Europe, says Mandelson
    Telegraph.co.uk-1 Apr 2014
    “We pay more because Russia and Gazprom play divide and rule,” Lord Mandelson told the British Chambers of Commerce annual conference …

    Peter Mandelson Says UK Would Be ‘Stark Staring Bonkers’ To …
    Huffington Post UK-1 Apr 2014

    Lord Mandelson: Britain ‘bonkers’ to leave European Union
    Whittier Daily News-1 Apr 2014
    Explore in depth (43 more articles)

    Peter Mandelson refuses to defend links to Russian defence firm
    Telegraph.co.uk-4 Apr 2014
    Lord Mandelson, the former Labour business secretary, faces calls to surrender his directorship at Sistema, a large Russian conglomerate…

    ‘Lord Mandelson is not the marrying kind’
    Telegraph.co.uk-3 Apr 2014
    After more than 15 years together as a couple in all but name, Lord Mandelson may not be walking down the aisle with Reinaldo da Silva any …

  75. Ba'al Zevul (Follow The Money)

    15 Apr, 2014 - 2:54 pm

    And did you see this?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/14/cia-drones-pakistan-us-air-force-documentary

    I really think the CIA should do its own murdering, preferably face to face against superior odds.

  76. Sofia Kibo Noh

    15 Apr, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Drones: Legitimate Quesfbijdsfbz!

  77. Not sure if this has been posted. Is so, apologies.

    Retaliation from BLiar. Still gunning for war though.

    Tony Blair strikes back at Nick Clegg over Chilcot report into Iraq war
    Former Labour Prime Minister also took a swipe at the Coalition’s ‘inaction’ over the three-year-long civil war in Syria
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-strikes-back-at-nick-clegg-over-chilcot-report-into-iraq-war-9259866.html

  78. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    15 Apr, 2014 - 3:20 pm

    “still gunning for war’

    Yes, Mary. Clegg even said Iraq may have been the worst move since the Suez Canal. The MO doesn’t change.

    (trip down memory lane)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

    “The attack followed the President of Egypt Gamal Abdel Nasser’s decision of 26 July 1956 to nationalize the Suez Canal, after the withdrawal of an offer by Britain and the United States to fund the building of the Aswan Dam, which was in response to Egypt’s new ties with the Soviet Union and recognizing the People’s Republic of China during the height of tensions between China and Taiwan.[16] The aims of the attack were primarily to regain Western control of the canal and to remove Nasser from power,[17] and the crisis highlighted the danger that Arab nationalism posed to Western access to Middle East oil.[18]

    Less than a day after Israel invaded Egypt, Britain and France issued a joint ultimatum to Egypt and Israel, and then began to bomb Cairo. Despite the denials of the Israeli, British, and French governments, allegations began to emerge that the invasion of Egypt had been planned beforehand by the three powers.[19] Anglo-French forces withdrew before the end of the year, but Israeli forces remained until March 1957, prolonging the crisis. In April, the canal was fully reopened to shipping, but other repercussions followed.”

  79. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    15 Apr, 2014 - 3:32 pm

    A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.

    Martin Luther King, Jr.

  80. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    15 Apr, 2014 - 3:37 pm

    “True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.”

    ― Kurt Vonnegut

    Sofia; thax for intro to Prose before Hos. :)

  81. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    15 Apr, 2014 - 3:43 pm

    “Each Javelin round costs $80,000, and the idea that it’s fired by a guy who doesn’t make that in a year at a guy who doesn’t make that in a lifetime is somehow so outrageous it almost makes the war seem winnable.”

    ― Sebastian Junger, War

  82. “Lord Blair of ……….?”

    I was referring to being made a Knight of the Garter Mary, I don’t think you need to be a Lord to qualify though many of them are.

  83. Well Fred he would have had one of your thistles if he hadn’t blabbed so much according to the D Express.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/197595/Queen-s-snub-to-Tony-Blair-by-withholding-honour

    The honours system all archaic and nonsensical of course when you see some of those who have received them.

  84. ” …if major detail of the full horror and scope of torture and extraordinary rendition is revealed …”

    The US and UK have succeeded in limiting the discussion of torture to what they may have directly instructed others, such as Assad and Mubarak, to do. Craig has long campaigned against the additional creation of a market for evidence from torture by those dictators. But the discussion surely needs to move on to the message coveyed to the dictators of the entire world if UK and US leaders sponsor torture.

    Until Obama, Cameron, Bush, Blair and their accomplices stand trial I can’t see how the rest of the world’s crackpot rulers could see it to their advantage to stop it. Come on Dave, let’s wire you up first, and Barack, try this Klu Klux Klan style hood for us please.

    The reason why Syria won’t move forward is because Muslims have united with torturers against torturers. You can’t pass heat from a cooler to a hotter and you can’t win a jihad from the moral low ground.

  85. This comment is in the Medialens thread about Mike Ruppert’s suicide.

    ‘Devastated to hear the news

    Posted by Sherwoodian on April 15, 2014, 4:52 pm, in reply to “A good brave! Go well bro. NOM”

    Ruppert was a warrior to the last, RIP brave soul.

    I can´t help worrying for the safety of the other brave warriors, very few in number, Galloway, Craig Murray, Keiser, Ron Paul, PC Roberts, et al.

    We are approaching the end game and the empire will stop at nothing to win.

    I´m not saying that Ruppert was killed, but that he was put under enormous pressure. Jesse Ventura, another warrior has “gone underground” with his broadcasts for the same reason.’

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1397550255.html

    He was obviously well liked and loved.
    http://www.collapsenet.com/free-resources/collapsenet-public-access/news-alerts/item/12454-collapsenets-founder-michael-c-ruppert-has-committed-suicide

    The war criminals walk free and breathe fresh air.

  86. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    15 Apr, 2014 - 7:49 pm

    Mary; MR was an LAPD narcotics officer. He didn’t have psychological problems.

    http://www.fromthewilderness.com/mcr_lapd.shtml


    At the time of my resignation from the L.A. Police Department I had been certified for promotion to Detective, had no pending disciplinary actions, and was earning the highest rating reports possible. The records speak for themselves.

    Have I ever seen a psychiatrist? Absolutely. In 1977, after I had discovered the CIA bringing drugs into New Orleans, detectives from LAPD’s Organized Crime Intelligence Division, who I knew had CIA connections, began suggesting to me that I hadn’t seen what I had seen and that perhaps I was hallucinating. They began suggesting that I go see a psychiatrist of their choosing for “help.”

    Instead, I went to my own psychiatrist. His statement is included for your review. Having been betrayed by my fiancée and also by members of my own department, I do not need to justify a statement that this was a stressful period of my life. I had been threatened, burglarized, followed and shot at for months. If that isn’t stressful, then what is? I make no apologies for it and feel no shame. No one who seeks therapy or guidance should ever feel shame. My “injury” was ruled as being “Duty Related” or IOD. Never once was I placed on restricted duty.”

  87. Everything about this brilliant post rings true. In fact, the anti-Blair faction inside the FCO tried to get damning papers against Blair released during 2010…they hated Moral Tone because he’d ignored them nonstop for seven years.
    The papers were never leaked – MI6 made sufficient nasty threats to ensure this.
    At the time, my FCO source said “It will all come out in Congress in time”. So much for that.
    There is something about Blair and Black Jack Straw I find depressingly disturbing every time I watch them in action…but Hague has continued the nose/bum position without missing a beat. One wonders why…

  88. Michael Ruppert’s last radio show from Sunday night http://prn.fm/lifeboat-hour-carolyn-bakerfor-mimi-german-041314/

  89. RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — Saudi Arabia’s king has appointed a new intelligence chief, Youssef al-Idrisi, replacing Bandar bin Sultan in the key post, which oversees the kingdom’s support for Syrian rebels.

    The Saudi Press Agency carried the royal decree Tuesday saying Bandar had requested to be relieved of the post. Al-Idrisi was Bandar’s deputy.

    The news comes after security officials told The Associated Press that 65-year-old Bandar was returning to the kingdom after around two months abroad for surgery on his shoulder.

    Bandar’s responsibilities as head of intelligence included executing Saudi policy in the Levant, including policies toward Syrian rebels seeking to oust President Bashar Assad.

    Bandar was ambassador to the U.S. for 22 years before becoming director general of Saudi Intelligence Agency in July 2012.

  90. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    15 Apr, 2014 - 9:40 pm

    Bandar, no doubt has a rotator-cuff issue from pitching for the Yankees. :)

  91. @Ben

    Wasn’t it midnight toker?

  92. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    15 Apr, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    Yeah, Fred, but Hab made an issue of my intemperance. Time to revise the add-on. My swordfight with him is past, thank the Gawds.

  93. Baal 8.22 – “mucilaginous” what a wonderful word – goes with oleaginous a treat. Pome now complete. Patience Strong – eat your heart out!

    Thanks for all the digging and prodding; power to your elbow.

  94. Brilliant article Craig.

    Of course, the situation today is even worse with British citizenship being removed in private and the US then told they are free to drone or render the victim.

  95. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    16 Apr, 2014 - 12:12 am

  96. What are we to make of the revelation Neil Kinnock had been in the pocket of and owned fully by the US/CIA since 1970 -so that’s Labour institutionally fucked, with the Tories it seems just as likely a voluntary submission, swearing fealty would be all it would take; the SDP-Liberal-Dem lot are actual US/CIA creations, with UKIP revising that trojan role to spearhead a further pro-US rightward lurch in this new century of American shame.

    “The British argument is that in a number of court cases including the Belhadj case, the British government has successfully blocked legal action by victims on the grounds that this would weaken the US/UK intelligence relationship and thus vitally damage national security, by revealing facts the American intelligence service wish hidden.”

    The claim that “that a large part of the case should not be heard for fear of damaging relations with the USA” sounds similar to the weaselly arguments David Miliband made in court in another case where he claimed the US had threatened to reduce or end intelligence co-operation with the UK. Frankly that would be no bad thing and a desperate bluff that should have been called. Unravelling the 75 year long post-ww2 entanglement of our interests with those of the US, all done without any popular mandate approving such fusion and confusion in peacetime, in effect subjugating our interests to those of fickle US delusions and whims, is long overdue and that threat, unexpected indeed from a ‘friend’ or even partner, bluff or not, should have been grasped, it would have been far more damaging to the US in cementing its utter friendless isolation, and by now our again independent capabilities would have been commensurate with any realistic need.

    We don’t need no stinking US approval to try Blair or Straw domestically, nor for that matter Cameron/Hague, and of course the culpable head-of-state, throughout these orgies of depravity and bloodshed, is the one who calls herself Queen. You have to follow this through to its logical and just conclusion, as well as prevent any recurrence.

    I recommend too, the voluntary dismemberment and ‘pastoralisation’ of the United States.

  97. BrianFujisan

    16 Apr, 2014 - 4:17 am

    Tony M…. Well said

    And a great post from Craig… as Macky say’s Doing what he dose best ..Indeed.

    WRG Michael Ruppert… a heart felt tribute from Abby M

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXbKOAHANQ

  98. Yes Brian. RIP Mike Ruppert. He obviously found that living in this world with its injustices and evils was no longer possible for him. In the link that AlcAnon sent, he said his head woke up before he did and that it was terrified.

    I thought of this poem by Louis MacNeice

    ‘Prayer Before Birth

    I am not yet born; O hear me.
    Let not the bloodsucking bat or the rat or the stoat or the
    club-footed ghoul come near me.

    I am not yet born, console me.
    I fear that the human race may with tall walls wall me,
    with strong drugs dope me, with wise lies lure me,
    on black racks rack me, in blood-baths roll me.

    [..]

    I am not yet born; O fill me
    With strength against those who would freeze my
    humanity, would dragoon me into a lethal automaton,
    would make me a cog in a machine, a thing with
    one face, a thing, and against all those
    who would dissipate my entirety, would
    blow me like thistledown hither and
    thither or hither and thither
    like water held in the
    hands would spill me.

    Let them not make me a stone and let them not spill me.
    Otherwise kill me.’

    http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/prayer-before-birth/

    One of his friends speaking on the link is involved in monitoring the radiation being brought to the American Pacific shores from Fukushima. She was saying that the irony is that she has to pay $600 for the tests.

  99. The Tories are killing our NHS

    Wednesday 16th April 2014

    Now’s the time to pile on the pressure for Labour to go big on the health service, says JOHN LISTER

    Join the dots, you can see the emerging picture – the NHS is being suffocated through prolonged and deliberate cash starvation.

    What began under the banner of the Con-Dem coalition trying to address the deficits created by the banking crash has now emerged as a thought-out, long-term Tory plan to scale down public spending and permanently reduce the size of the state.

    [..]

    Since then we have seen things get even worse – more billions of “unspent” NHS money have been clawed back by the Treasury, and £1.5bn of the frozen, allegedly “ringfenced,” NHS budget has been forcibly handed over to councils this year to prop up the even more parlous finances of social care, with even bigger sums to be deducted next year.

    There’s also a huge question mark over the future of NHS spending after the 2015 election – a year in which a further round of major cuts in public spending has been set in motion by Osborne, and many expect that as soon as the general election votes are counted the “ringfence” protecting the NHS against outright cuts would be scrapped if the Tories get back in.

    But even in the best-case scenario Osborne’s plans would see a 10-year freeze in health spending while costs and pressures increase each year.

    /..
    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-9fe3-The-Tories-are-killing-our-NHS

  100. Here is Mike Ruppert in 1996. A courageous man.

    Former LA Police Officer Mike Ruppert Confronts CIA Director John Deutch on Drug Trafficking
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk

    How about the stooges including the House Representatives Juanita and Julian?

  101. A rather scary image of the newly promoted General Yousef Bin Ali Al-Idrisi.

    http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20140416202122

    They all seem to have ‘bin’ there and done that. :}

  102. Mary,
    Evil will always be in the singular.
    “injustices and evils was”

    A contrast to goodness.

    The millitary machine is the foundation of our system. I suppose it is natures way of an sustainable civilised society?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLM4uB6_d-E

  103. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 9:22 am

    The Slog – Good to see you here. Quality blogging.
    Rose – We try to please, and when we succeed we are astonished. “Oleaginous” doesn’t quite convey Mandelson’s exudative propensity, does it? Glad you agree.

  104. Keith Crosby

    16 Apr, 2014 - 9:29 am

    Thanks for that Craig, I’ve copied it onto Media Lens.

  105. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 9:39 am

    Good site, linked on The Slog. Sample page – tax-dodging fatcats leeching off taxpayer department:

    http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5236/nhs-2400-senior-officials-off-payroll-buried-review-revealed

    Good addition to the CM Blogroll, Craig?

  106. Excellent post,Craig, but it was to be expected that Jack and Tone both of the same hue, chosen for their ‘guile and cunning’ (barbara Castle)would act to ensure thier retirement is a fluffed pillow, not a cell at the ICC.

    Its refreshing to see new posters here, thanks for your contributions and wit, the more the merrier.

    leaves to say, time to exchange scoundrels is only a year away and should any of you want someone Independent to vote for, now is the time to put yourselfs about and start campaigning, time for it was never better. Norfolk has lost 40% of its Conservative membership and party politics is at its lowest ever….. good luck

  107. Mr Schultz of Starbucks wants our custom back. Revenues have fallen since the tax evasion was revealed and he is relocating the EU HQ to the UK, and the MENA offices too.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/starbucks-to-move-europe-hq-to-uk-30191348.html

    I will never be a customer of his due to his support for Zionist Israel.

    ‘In 1998, Schultz was awarded the “Israel 50th Anniversary Tribute Award” from the Jerusalem Fund of Aish Ha-Torah for “playing a key role in promoting a close alliance between the United States and Israel”.’
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schultz

  108. Neil Clark is, quite understandably, confused;

    http://rt.com/op-edge/west-leaders-ukraine-democracy-600/

  109. I have been looking around The Slog. Good stuff.

    ‘Hunt Balls’ caught my eye. Nothing to do with foxes but with a weasel called Jeremy.

    http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/hunt-balls/

  110. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 11:46 am

    Very interesting piece, Macky. Not so much for the obvious questions he is asking, but for a lead on what it is Russia is actually trying to do, and even on how it intends to do it. Which appears to be to define spheres-of-influence wrt Europe and the US a little more rigorously than the US, particularly, would like. I’m inclined to believe that an actual takeover, or even division, of Ukraine are not the current objectives, but that destabilisation and demographics will force the election of a Russia – leaning government; the presence of Russophobes in the west of the country would provide a channel for trade with Europe – as long as Ukrainian identity is maintained, there would be no conflict of interest between Ukrainian and Russian-speakers, and Russia itself would have a buffer state between it and an apparently expansionist EU/NATO area.

    Latvia (half of whose population (28% of Latvians are Russian – speakers ) have no vote in Latvia (14%) and Estonia (similar demographic and citizenship constraints) are perhaps less likely to retain semi-autonomy in the event of Russian expansion. Worth noting, perhaps, that

    “in accordance with Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, the settlement of Russians in the Baltic States during the period (1945 onwards, under Stalin – BZ) was illegal under international law” (“The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies”).[6][7][8] The convention was adopted in 1949, including by the Soviet Union. However, as the Soviet Union maintained the Baltic States joined the USSR voluntarily, it did not consider the convention applicable to the Baltic states.” [Wikipedia: Russians In The Baltic States]
    (There were at the time only 7-8% Russians in Latvia, but ‘voluntary’, slightly earlier, meant ‘us or the Germans’ – BZ)

    – and that if Stalin considered the Balts worth mopping up in the interest of coherent borders, Putin may well have a similar notion.

  111. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 12:06 pm

    Ok. I can see a slug in the hostas. Old piece – what was Lord Mandelson of Mucilage doing in Ukraine in 2011?

    http://www.whatson-kiev.com/index.php?go=News&in=view&id=10894

    Akhmetov, eh?

    https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/financial-times-ukraines-oligarchs-accused-of-double-dealing-over-separatism-343694.html
    (links to FT piece – paywall, sorry, but you get the idea)

    Looks like Akhmetov’s running with the hare and hunting with the hounds.

    Private Eye’s current issue has a connection:

    Re:…the long-planned South Stream pipeline to bring Russian gas to southern European countries via a new route which bypasses Ukraine…construction contracts awarded to oligarchs close to…Putin….At the British Chambers of Commerce conference this month Peter Mandelson (who has many contacts among the ranks of the oligarchs) helpfully opined that all our gas bills could be lower if only the EU could negotiate a single gas purchase contract with Gazprom. [snip]

    …the undisclosed commissions paid on various big contracts between Gazprom and certain European national gas companies are legendary in the industry. Whom, one wonders, might Mandelson have in mind to negotiate the deal he is advocating?
    Private Eye 1364, print edition, p 8.

  112. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 12:21 pm

    Damn. Totally meaningless statement here:

    “Latvia (half of whose population (28% of Latvians are Russian – speakers ) have no vote in Latvia (14%)”

    To clarify: 28% of Latvians have Russian origins, either Imperial or Soviet. Half of these don’t have Latvian citizenship, probably mainly because as long as they don’t, they can cross the Russian border without visas. That’s 14% of the total.

  113. Ba’al Zevul; “I’m inclined to believe that an actual takeover, or even division, of Ukraine are not the current objectives, but that destabilisation and demographics will force the election of a Russia – leaning government”

    Most rational commentators agree with you on that score; talking of which, and as a complimentary return for your h/t iro the interesting Slog blog, check out this site;

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.fr/

  114. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 12:51 pm

    Thanks, Macky. Though it has to be said that both Ukraine and Russia are countries in which playing chess in the street is the norm, while I am crap at chess – so rationality may not be enough. The Saker site…may or may not be righteous but it’s very supportive of the Russian Authorised Version, and I have to treat it much as I would anything echoing William Hague, anywhere, on any subject whatever – with caution.

  115. “Ok. I can see a slug in the hostas. Old piece – what was Lord Mandelson of Mucilage doing in Ukraine in 2011?”

    More to the point what are armoured vehicles bearing the Russian flag doing in Eastern Ukraine doing today! Hardly the local militia that the Putinistas deceitfully claim.

  116. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 1:26 pm

    Haven’t a clue, old chap. Why not tell us? With sources, of course.

    Blair levered half a million out of his very good friend Pinchuk for his Cash Faith Foundation last year. Pinchuk has made quite a lot out of EuroUkraine, and supports the current unelected government (for now):

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/03/victor-pinchuk-interpipe-debt-downgraded-junk

    Whose oligarchs do you want to win, ESLO?

  117. @Mary

    and Michelle is busy lighting the candles.

    https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/455872355311419392/photo/1

    Same old, same old – what are you trying to say, somehow I doubt it is Happy Passover.

  118. “More to the point what are armoured vehicles bearing the Russian flag doing in Eastern Ukraine doing today! Hardly the local militia that the Putinistas deceitfully claim.”

    Did you just make this up, ESLO, or do you have a source?

    Sounds like total bollocks, but amusing that you don’t even seem to understand that.

  119. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 1:36 pm

    I’ll save him the trouble, Herbie.

    A soldier guarding one of six troop carriers now under the control of the rebels told Reuters he was a member of Ukraine’s 25th paratrooper division from Dnipropetrovsk.

    “All the soldiers and the officers are here. We are all boys who won’t shoot our own people,” he said, adding that his men had had no food for four days until local residents fed them.

    A spokesman for the separatists and a witness in Kramatorsk said the Ukrainian troops had given up their vehicles to the rebels after talks.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/16/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKBREA3D0C420140416

  120. Whose oligarchs do you want to win, ESLO?

    Neither – but you forget where the Ukrainian oligarchs originally got their ideas from and how they benefit from Putin wishing to have a similar type of system to that which he imposes on Russia.

  121. Herbie

    Try the 5th photo from Reuters here – also reported on Sky TV

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27045534

  122. YouKnowMyName

    16 Apr, 2014 - 1:45 pm

    Some Latvian’s are Russian origin – some are North American origin

    Latvia’s President Vaira Vīķe-Freiberga (1999 – 2007) who grew up in Canada, not USA, was alleged to have been successively KGB then later CIA agent…

    Lithuania also had a former U.S. Citizen as President (1998 – 2009), Valdas Adamkus , who was NCO in the US Army Intelligence (Lithuania coincidentally had a black-torture-prison about this time)

    Estonian president Toomas Hendrik Ilves (2006 – present) was educated in the USA before performing journalism/intelligence at RFE/RL [wikipedia]

    not that we’re exempt from ‘meddling’ in the UK – with Kennedy Memorial Trust/Laurence Stern Fellowships/British American Project alumni everywhere in British Meeja & Poli-ticks

  123. So it’s not exactly the Russian invasion ESLO tried to pretend.

    It’s the Ukrainian army surrendering to local civilians.

    Dear, oh dear.

    There’s no way in a million years Putin would send forces across the border, without first openly stating his pretext.

  124. “but it’s very supportive of the Russian Authorised Version”;

    The Saker is not only an ex-military analyst, but Russian as well, that his opinions may coincide with the Russian, is open for rigorous testing by his commentators, in one of the least moderated blogs I have encountered yet;

    “First, this blog deals primarily with two regions: the Middle-East and Russia. The reason for that is because these are the regions where, in my opinion, most of the important “action” is happening. Recently this blog has been “wall to wall Ukrainian”, but that is only because something really important is happening there. Before, for *years* I did not post a single thing about the Ukraine. In the past, I posted mostly about the Middle-East and, especially, Iran and Hezbollah. I did that because I considered that they played a crucial role. Eventually, when I realized that Syria had become the front line, I did a huge amount of coverage of the civil war in Syria. If tomorrow something massive happens in Australia or Iceland or Tahiti, I will try to cover that too. But the fact is that for the foreseeable future the Middle-East and Russia are the two spots on the planet where the most important things are happening”

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.fr/2014/04/personal-announcement-appeal-to-my-non.html

  125. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 1:49 pm

    I forget very little, Eslo. You forget that the Maidan protests were originally against oligarchy in general, and that they utterly failed to improve the situation. And have now been hijacked by oligarchs.

    Viz:

    https://www.kyivpost.com/content/business/oligarchs-step-in-to-save-ukraines-sovereignty-338116.html

    It’s basically one bunch of oligarchs against the other at the end of the day. Each citing the ‘threat’ posed by the other, and somone still waiting to see how it pans out before taking another slice of Ukraine’s GDP (1/3 of Poland’s, per capita, btw)

    Where did they get the idea? Milton Friedman, probably. Or maybe Fukuyama. Greedy bastards are transnational.

  126. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 1:51 pm

    Fair enough, Macky. Just registering my caution. I wouldn’t want to be like ESLO, uncritically swallowing soundbites from the people I liked.

  127. ESLO

    “Neither – but you forget where the Ukrainian oligarchs originally got their ideas from and how they benefit from Putin wishing to have a similar type of system to that which he imposes on Russia.”

    What are you on about. In Ukraine as in the West, Oligarchs have directly controlled the state.

    They don’t in Russia, since Putin took over.

    He doesn’t allow them to directly involve themselves in politics. He manages them by playing one off against the other, often invoking the national interest in oppossition to their business interests.

    If only we could have something like that in the West, we’d all be much better off.

  128. Another Russian who understands what is going on

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/the-true-role-of-the-fsb-in-the-ukrainian-crisis/498072.html

    @Herbie

    “They don’t in Russia, since Putin took over.”

    Comedy gold – please read something about Russia other than Putin’s propaganda – the whole State is being run for the benefit of Putin and those oligarchs in his circle. You really have no clue whatsoever.

  129. Herbie

    Ask yourself why the Sochi games were so expensive.

  130. Herbie

    Ask yourself why the Putin’s Party is usually called the “Party of Crooks and Thieves” in common Russian parlance.

  131. “He doesn’t allow them to directly involve themselves in politics.”

    So why did he appoint Roman Abramovich as governor of Chuchotka for 8 years – during which time his company was able to take advantage of some local tax concessions in order to reduce the tax on his companies which were located there?

  132. ESLO

    Spouting propaganda seems to be all you have. Amusingly that propganda would be far better directed at the West than at Russia under Putin.

    The simple fact is that Putin has relegated the oligarchs to interests competing with other interests, the most important of which is for Putin, the Russian state itself.

    He’s sharing the wealth amongst the people, increasing salaries and pensions and so on.

    We know what the West wants of Russia, that it be as it was under Yeltsin, him drunk as a skunk, whilst people starved and died as the resources of the country were stripped.

    You see, he changed all that. That’s the point. It’s also why the West don’t like him.

    Western oligarchs continue to plunder their peoples, and it will only get worse.

    Putin put it all back the way it should be with competing interests evaluated according to the priorities of the country as a whole.

    He’s what used to be called a one nation Tory.

  133. ESLO

    Abramovich was in politics at the beginning of Putin’s term, but he’s no longer involved in politics.

    That’s the transition.

    But even in Putin’s early days it’s clear the direction he wanted things to take.

    It looks as though Putin got him to put something back in the meantime, before he resigned from politics:

    “”There are probably strings tied to his governship of Chukotka, such as having to spend quite a lot of extra money there alleviating poverty,” says Ms Ter-Sakarian.

    However, Mr Abramovich is estimated to have already spent $1.3bn of his own money on good causes in the state.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4293684.stm

  134. ESLO

    “Another Russian who understands what is going on”

    That would be Andrei Soldatov …

    who works for Foreign Policy and Foreign Affairs, the Neocon house magazines.

    Dear, oh dearie me.

    The Moscow Times takes a Western line on matters Russian.

  135. Sofia Kibo Noh

    16 Apr, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    Ba’al. 1:36 pm

    Is that how people who play chess in the street arrange the delivery of APCs?

    “All the soldiers and the officers are here. We are all boys who won’t shoot our own people,” he said, adding that his men had had no food for four days until local residents fed them.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/16/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKBREA3D0C420140416

    Maybe the citizens of Donetsk should just organise a big street party with lots of FOOD!

  136. RT asks

    How will the standoff between Russia and the West over Ukraine play out?

    28% – The heightening of tensions will spark a new Cold War
    9% – Western sanctions will force Russia to come to the bargaining table
    46% – The West will accept Crimean integration with Russia for economic reasons
    17% – Crimea will remain a simmering issue for decades

    http://rt.com/news/

  137. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    Sofia – Is that how people who play chess in the street arrange the delivery of APCs?
    It’s how I’d arrange it if the Russian Army were just a hop and skip over the border waiting for a civil war to happen. But I’m crap at chess, as I said. And I agree re. food. Maybe they should roast an oligarch or two, and I am really neutral as to which ones.

    ESLO – So why did he appoint Roman Abramovich as governor of Chuchotka for 8 years – during which time his company was able to take advantage of some local tax concessions in order to reduce the tax on his companies which were located there?

    I’m sure you know really. Try to think of it as the Russian equivalent to Osborne’s appointment of Angela Leadsom as City Minister (what that? New Libor ministry?), also giving her the brief for the “help-to-buy” scheme. An ex – Barclay’s investment banker, as is her husband, and deeply into buy-to-let, she’s not short of a bob or two… but hey, why not buy Private Eye this week and see for yourself?

    Take-home message : the impression is that “…despite his protestations of clamping down on Britain’s many financial excesses, Osborne has given the Treasury’s City brief to a wealthy ex-banker who uses trusts to reduce her tax bill and offshore accounts to exploit a booming property market”

    Both Russia and the US do it bigger, but we do it too.

  138. The fog of war = the fogh of Rasmussen

    NATO ups military presence amid Russian threat
    April 16, 2014

    BRUSSELS (AP) — NATO is strengthening its military footprint along its eastern border immediately in response to Russia’s aggression in Ukraine, the alliance’s chief said Wednesday.

    Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said NATO’s air policing aircraft will fly more sorties over the Baltic region and allied warships will deploy to the Baltic Sea, the eastern Mediterranean and elsewhere if needed.

    “We will have more planes in the air, more ships on the water and more readiness on the land,” Fogh Rasmussen told reporters in Brussels, declining to give exact troop figures.

    /..

    http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/NATO-ups-military-presence-amid-Russian-threat-5406300.php

  139. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 3:19 pm

  140. David Swanson who co-founded After Downing Street.org, another American to whom we owe our gratitude, writes -

    Torture is Mainstream Now
    by David Swanson / April 15th, 2014

    As Rebecca Gordon notes in her new book, Mainstreaming Torture: Ethical Approaches in the Post-9/11 United States, polls find greater support in the United States for torture now than when Bush was president. And it’s not hard to see why that would be the case.

    Fifteen years ago, it was possible to pretend the U.S. government opposed torture. Then it became widely known that the government tortured. And it was believed (with whatever accuracy) that officials had tried to keep the torturing secret. Next it became clear that nobody would be punished, that, in fact, top officials responsible for torture would be permitted to openly defend what they had done as good and noble.

    The idea was spread around that the torture was stopping, but the cynical could imagine it must be continuing in secret, the partisan could suppose the halt was only temporary, the trusting could assume torture would be brought back as needed, and the attentive could be and have been aware that the government has gone right on torturing to this day with no end in sight.

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/04/torture-is-mainstream-now/

    DAVID SWANSON is the author of “War Is A Lie” and “Daybreak: Undoing the Imperial Presidency and Forming a More Perfect Union.” He blogs at http://davidswanson.org and http://warisacrime.org

    Swanson holds a master’s degree in philosophy from the University of Virginia. He has worked as a newspaper reporter and as a communications director, with jobs including press secretary for Dennis Kucinich’s 2004 presidential campaign, media coordinator for the International Labor Communications Association, and three years as communications coordinator for ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

    Swanson is Co-Founder of AfterDowningStreet.org, creator of ConvictBushCheney.org and Washington Director of Democrats.com, a board member of Progressive Democrats of America, the Backbone Campaign, and Voters for Peace, a convenor of the legislative working group of United for Peace and Justice, chair of the UFPJ working group on Accountability and Prosecution, and a member of the Robert Jackson Steering Committee.

  141. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 3:42 pm

    Mandelson and the Oligarchs (cont’d) – Evtushenkov, Deripaska:

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/mandelson-won%E2%80%99t-be-short-rouble-or-two

    A cutting wit at work here.

  142. Ba’al Zevul

    Reported tax breaks of $482 million for one company.

    But he spent $1.5 billion of his own money.

    Not quite the kind of deal you’ve described above.

  143. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 3:51 pm

    Macky – Not saying I agree with everything this man says, but just to give the other side of Church – State relations in Russia, apropos the (Russian Ortho) Saker blog:

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/letter-friend

  144. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 4:00 pm

    Herbie – Just to complicate the picture further, Abramovich (philanthropic as he certainly was to Chukotka – $179M annually since 1999, estimated) resigned the chairmanship of the legislature last year. In response to bad mans Putin’s decree:

    A United Russia source said that Abramovich’s decision to leave Chukotka was motivated by Putin’s decree that elected officials must get rid of their foreign property if they wish to hold office in Russia. Faced with the choice between wealth overseas or political power at home, many officials have already departed, though not always willingly. Nine members of the Federation Council (five of whom are on the Forbes list of richest Russians) have left since Putin first floated the ban last December. Federation Council member Valentina Matviyenko said she expected two more wealthy council members to quit in the autumn. By contrast, Mikhail Rostovskiy writes that Abramovich was relieved when Putin announced the policy, since he was tired of playing “papa” to the distant Chukotka okrug

    http://imrussia.org/politics/515-the-end-of-the-affair-abramovich-leaves-chukotka

    IOW he left Russian politics in order to Follow The Money.

  145. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 4:01 pm

    Like Blair.

  146. WHO CONTROLS BRITAIN?

    Barack Obama far from dismantling George W Bush’s secret state has diligently reconstructed and extended it, consolidating British expertise and resources in intelligence gathering to boot. Part of that deal was a promise not to rake up the past, except to rewrite history, which meant no naming or shaming the agencies torturers and their top level planners.

    The other part of course, according to a number of analysts including investigative journalist Jason Lewis, revealed it was the CIA that helped draw up the dodgy Iraq Dossier which John Scarlett produced as chairman of the UK governments Joint Intelligence Committee.

    http://not4attribution.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/rendition-did-uk-play-secret-role-new.html

    I strongly believe this secret entanglement between Britain and America needs urgent investigation and inquiry.

    Clearly the CIA were involved in the Lockerbie bombing.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/but-if-he-didn-t-do-it-who-did-the-other-theories-1-906931

    Within an hour of Flight 103 crashing American personnel were on the scene and took over to the annoyance of the local SOC police.

    We can ask, does America control the British Establishment? – Certainly Blair, Milliband and Balls furthered their education in America. UKIP was formed by American influence; EDL is suspected of being CIA sponsored, while other British political advisers are members of the elite British American Project, another CIA sponsored organisation.

    It seems our own ‘secret courts’ best answers this question – To be sure we are being screwed by the people we pay – WE PAY – to preserve our hard won freedoms now seriously undermined and eroded.

  147. Ba’al

    It’s fine that Putin would require such a commitment. Wouldn’t it be great if our own leaders were to do that.

    Point is that Putin changed the way these oligarchs operate, which is what I’ve been arguing.

    Only a fool would suggest that Putin hasn’t rescued the country from the Yeltsin days.

    And remember that Yeltsin’s way is the way the West wanted it run.

    ===================================================

    This article from Alexander Boot indicates he’s a bit of a looper too. Seems he was involved in the McWhirters’ very right wing so called Freedom Association

    http://alexanderboot.com/content/let%E2%80%99s-boycott-john-kerry-not-israel

    Perhaps he’s posting here.

  148. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 4:26 pm

    It’s fine that Putin would require such a commitment. Wouldn’t it be great if our own leaders were to do that.

    Wouldn’t it just. But that doesn’t make me a blind supporter of Putin. I think it can be taken that the oligarchs, though not permitted to rule directly, still rule, and with Putin’s consent. It’s not even certain that he could withdraw his consent – this is how Russia is traditionally governed. Or so this piece would suggest;

    ” Unfortunately, our understanding of Mr. Putin’s regime and its most important players remains heavily distorted by our disappointment that Russia has failed to develop along Western lines. By fixating on Mr. Putin’s authoritarian streak, hostility to outside influences and resistance to Western-style reforms, we generally overlook that his value to the system, like that of the czars who preceded him, is based on maintaining the balance among competing vested interests. Just as it was five centuries ago, the main battles inside the Kremlin among these groups are about power, money and access to special privileges, not ideology.

    Eventually, the day will come when Mr. Putin is no longer in power. Yet it seems highly unlikely that his informal style of rule will be replaced by a rule of law system based on strong institutions and checks and balances. Rather, the West must brace itself for the possibility that the oligarchic system itself, with its deep roots in Russian political culture, will outlive its current master. ”

    Unfortunately, our understanding of Mr. Putin’s regime and its most important players remains heavily distorted by our disappointment that Russia has failed to develop along Western lines. By fixating on Mr. Putin’s authoritarian streak, hostility to outside influences and resistance to Western-style reforms, we generally overlook that his value to the system, like that of the czars who preceded him, is based on maintaining the balance among competing vested interests. Just as it was five centuries ago, the main battles inside the Kremlin among these groups are about power, money and access to special privileges, not ideology.

    Eventually, the day will come when Mr. Putin is no longer in power. Yet it seems highly unlikely that his informal style of rule will be replaced by a rule of law system based on strong institutions and checks and balances. Rather, the West must brace itself for the possibility that the oligarchic system itself, with its deep roots in Russian political culture, will outlive its current master.”

  149. Ba'al Zevul (Close Brackets)

    16 Apr, 2014 - 4:29 pm

    Sorry – link here, rather than two copies of text:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/opinion/russias-oligarchy-alive-and-well.html?_r=0

    Agree re. Boot, but the Mandelson piece was a laugh, you have to admit.

  150. “IOW he left Russian politics in order to Follow The Money.

    Like Blair.”

    Don’t think so. Blair made his money after politics. Were Putin to do that it could be like Blair, but ultimately there was no future for Abramovich in Russian politics. Chukotka is a god-forsaken place about as far as it’s possible to get from Moscow without bumping into Sarah Palin.

    It’s not politics as an oligarch might wish it. These guys wanted to run the country for themselves, and themselves alone, before Putin got established.

    Bit like the way the Anglo/Saxon world runs these days.

  151. Richard Branson has fallen for a Ukrainian’s message.

    Richard Branson ‏@richardbranson · Apr 15
    Like Yulia, we should all stand firm alongside Ukraine & stand up for true democracy http://virg.in/yul

    Richard Branson ‏@richardbranson · Apr 15
    Honoured to receive a hand-painted orange protester helmet from Yulia from ‘I Am A Ukrainian’ http://virg.in/yul pic.twitter.com/OIc6LnQhT9
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlRDSqFCcAAXnuF.jpg

    Like more than eight million people around the world who have watched the video I Am a Ukrainian, I was deeply moved by the message of Yulia Marushevska from Kiev earlier this year.
    15 April 2014
    http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/yulia-and-ukraine

    Now who has brought him into the arena.

  152. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    16 Apr, 2014 - 4:38 pm

    Mark; The dots need connecting. Is there some relevance to Ukraine, Boston and Awlaki?

    Comments are interesting, as well.

    http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/04/14/uss-boston-bombing-report-hints-even-darker-reality/

  153. ESLO

    16 Apr, 2014 – 1:30 pm
    @Mary
    and Michelle is busy lighting the candles.
    https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/455872355311419392/photo/1
    Same old, same old – what are you trying to say, somehow I doubt it is Happy Passover.

    Yes Happy Passover. Perhaps you were as surprised as my Jewish friend in the West Country, who sent me the link, to find that the Obamas are Jewish too. Or perhaps they just celebrate Jewish holidays. That must go down well with the people in the AIPAC lobby group.

  154. “I think it can be taken that the oligarchs, though not permitted to rule directly, still rule, and with Putin’s consent. It’s not even certain that he could withdraw his consent – this is how Russia is traditionally governed.”

    Yeah but, he takes the decisions. He’s running it like a council of interests, and if the voters don’t like what he does they can get rid of him.

    It’s hard to get rid of oligarchs.

    He really does play one off against the other and when he wants to emphasise a state interest, he then says that his old muckers are insisting. Much better than the greasy pole bureaucrats we’ve got.

    It’s traditional leadership.

    I hear the argument that when he goes you may not get another leader with his skillset, and the oligarchs will just take over again, but I’m sure he’s thought of that.

    He’ll have to set up systems which ensure that doesn’t happen, and encourage ordinary people to take an interest in their democracy.

    Despite its long history, Russia is at an early stage of development in economic terms and new systems and the embeddedness of them takes time.

    All I ask of him is that he halt the onward march of Western hegemony.

    Whilst Putin is trying to bring in the rule of law, our gangsters are completely out of control, and it’s my belief that they need to be stopped before they do any more damage.

    I had my complaints in the past, but I wouldn’t have said that before the late 80s.

  155. “They don’t in Russia, since Putin took over.”

    Putin is now the world’s richest head of state, worth between $40 and $70 billion.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/richest-world-leaders_n_4178514.html

  156. “Yes Happy Passover. Perhaps you were as surprised as my Jewish friend in the West Country, who sent me the link, to find that the Obamas are Jewish too. Or perhaps they just celebrate Jewish holidays”

    There is nothing unusual in any democratically elected leader showing respect for religions and interest groups in a company other than his/her own – that is what seeking to govern by consent entails.

    “That must go down well with the people in the AIPAC lobby group.”

    It may well do – but isn’t it a form of reverse Zionism, or worse, to try and make links between the support of a respected religion and that of Israel? Aren’t you just the reverse side of the coin to those who say that those who oppose Israel are anti-Semitic (or prejudiced against the Jewish religion as the pedants here would prefer).

  157. Abramovich (philanthropic as he certainly was to Chukotka – $179M annually since 1999, estimated)

    Small price to pay for the amount of tax he avoided on his company’s profits I assure you.

  158. Eslo I have heard it all how. ‘Reverse Zionism’. That’s a new one.

  159. Try some ‘Zionism’ in forward gear, full speed ahead.

    Remote-control machine gun installed on top of wall near Bethlehem — Ma’an
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/machine-installed-bethlehem.html

    Imagine living with that pointing down at you.

    Or put yourself in the place of Mariam Barghouti, one of Obama’s citizens, languishing in an Israeli jail.

    American citizen, translator and student—Mariam Barghouti arrested and detained in West Bank
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/american-translator-barghouti.html

    Anyway a joyous Passover – Chag Pesach Sameach!

  160. Mary, Macky

    The Slog is f***ing funny. A libertarian Alf Garnet providing refuge for disenfranchised DM readers on acid. It gets more mental than here!

    The insane Nazism of extreme feminism
    pc feminism reducing efficiency of fire service.
    https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/tag/feminism-islam/
    Don’t build more houses stop immigration

  161. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Apr, 2014 - 9:02 pm

    Just to pick out a couple of gems from Hurby’s post at 16h53, singing the praises of new world hope President Putin:

    “..and if the voters don’t like what he does they can get rid of him.”

    I assume that was written tongue in cheek?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I hear the argument that when he goes you may not get another leader with his skillset, and the oligarchs will just take over again, but I’m sure he’s thought of that.

    He’ll have to set up systems which ensure that doesn’t happen, and encourage ordinary people to take an interest in their democracy.”

    I’m sure he has thought of that – probably with the help of a few well-endowed foreign bank accounts.
    And I’m also sure that encouraging “ordinary people to take an interest in their democracy” is something he spends most of his waking hours thinking about.

    And what you say there is in contrtadiction with what you said just vefore, which was :

    “He really does play one off against the other and when he wants to emphasise a state interest, he then says that his old muckers are insisting. Much better than the greasy pole bureaucrats we’ve got.

    It’s traditional leadership.”. VERY traditional!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Whilst Putin is trying to bring in the rule of law,…”

    More tongue in cheek, I suppose?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “All I ask of him is that he halt the onward march of Western hegemony.”

    The best of the lot, Hurby. Leaving aside the presumptiousness of the “All I ask of him” (I’m sure he’s listening hard, Hurby), I wonder if you could explain exactly why that would be a such good thing? I think you’re exhibiting what Orwell called “transferred nationalism”.

    ===================

    Taken together, your post is the most foolish post I’ve read for a very, very long time.

  162. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Apr, 2014 - 10:22 pm

    Hurby

    “There’s no way in a million years Putin would send forces across the border, without first openly stating his pretext.”
    ___________________

    Are we to infer from this that Hurby would be happy for Russian forces to enter Ukraine provided that rasPutin provides a pretext?

  163. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Apr, 2014 - 10:35 pm

    Hurby

    ““More to the point what are armoured vehicles bearing the Russian flag doing in Eastern Ukraine doing today! Hardly the local militia that the Putinistas deceitfully claim.”

    Did you just make this up, ESLO, or do you have a source?

    Sounds like total bollocks, but amusing that you don’t even seem to understand that.”
    _____________________

    “Total bollocks” – I do think that you have cracked the mystery, Hurby.

    As any fule – and any Eminence – no, these are not Russian troops at all. They are agents provocateurs impersonating Russian soldiers. They are, in fact, troops dressed up in stolen Russian-type garb sent by the illegitimate,fascist hyena govt in Kiev, liberally supplemented by cunningly disguised US Navy Seals, Walruses and Porpoises, all in the pay of Ronald Reagan, Boris Yeltsin and Amschel Rothschild (all deceased).

    Thanks for that insightful insight, Hurby.

    *****************

    Russian Oligarch Flagday – please give generously!

  164. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Apr, 2014 - 10:43 pm

    Hurby (yes, It’s That Man Again!)

    “He’s sharing the wealth amongst the people, increasing salaries and pensions and so on.”
    ___________________

    I take it that the “he” refers to President Putin.

    You seem to possess considerable expertise in socio-economic developments in today’s Russia. Would you consider sharing with us the information you have regarding wealth sharing, salaries and pensions. I’m particularly interested in the figure for the minimum state pension in Russia – now and before the “increase”. Any oindication as to wealth distribution in Russia would also be welcome.

    Thanks in advance.

  165. That offering from Herbie truly was the very worst post ever written on the Craig Murray blog. I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry. :-(

  166. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Apr, 2014 - 11:22 pm

    You are right, Anon. D’you know, I sometimes wonder whether Hurbee and posters like him aren’t really people in the employ of those who wish Craig’s blog and Craig himself ill. After all, with enough guff like the above from Irby, people in time will start thinking “well, if that’s the kind of nutter Craig’s blog attracts…..”

    Or are they just fruits and nutcases, full stop?

  167. Ultimately it boils down to the difference between Yeltsin and Putin.

    Most of the West’s puppets are Yeltsins, allowing the rape and plunder of their country.

    Putin has stopped that and is using the wealth generated by their resources to build up internal infrastructure, economic. social and so on. You can’t do that if you submit to the Western bully. That’s not what they want.

    That’s the whole history of Africa of South America and so on. They just weren’t allowed independent development. Until recently.

    Putin is in the mould of DeGaulle or Nasser etc, standing up for a multipolar world against the West’s desire to finally impose a unipolar one.

    That’s the choice.

    Place your bets.

  168. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 12:24 am

    “Putin is in the mould of DeGaulle or Nasser etc,…”
    ________________

    Not very encouraging models, I’d say, given the short-livedness of their “achievements” and the mess their countries are in.

  169. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 12:26 am

    BTW, Herbie, how about some concrete figures and data, as requested, re pensions “and so so” in Russia?

  170. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 12:27 am

    “[You do your job; I'll do mine, thanks.]”
    _______________

    Fine by me, boss :)

  171. fred 16 Apr, 2014 – 6:27 pm

    “Putin is now the world’s richest head of state, worth between $40 and $70 billion.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/richest-world-leaders_n_4178514.html

    I’m hoping you’re just being mischievous with this comment, Fred. Your Huffington Post link presents no more ‘evidence’ than:

    “Putin is believed to be worth between $40 and $70 billion, Bloomberg notes.”

    When we check what Bloomberg actually said, their writer Leonid Bershidsky completely demolishes the idea. He says:

    “The media reports, which often cite one another, ultimately tend to rely on one primary source: a November 2007 interview given by a prominent member of Moscow’s chattering classes, Stanislav Belkovsky, to the German daily Die Welt. In the interview, he claimed that Putin “controlled” 37 percent of the oil company Surgutneftegaz and 4.5 percent of natural gas monopoly Gazprom. The $40 billion estimate of Putin’s fortune was simply the 2007 market price of these stakes.”

    ….then ….

    “There has never been the slightest bit of evidence that Putin actually owns stakes in Surgutneftegaz or Gazprom.”

    …. and even more damningly ….

    “The late tycoon Boris Berezovsky once admitted to hiring Belkovsky, who is Jewish, to muster Russian nationalist forces against Putin.”

    So to summarise, Fred, your claim about Putin’s wealth stems from an unsubstantiated allegation made by someone who was once paid to cause Putin trouble. When Putin was asked about journalists repeating the allegations, he said:

    “It’s just chitchat, nonsense, nothing to discuss. They picked it out of their noses and smeared it on their pieces of paper.” Then he continued, “I am the wealthiest man not just in Europe but in the whole world. I collect emotions, I am wealthy in that the people of Russia have twice entrusted me with the leadership of a great nation such as Russia — I believe that is my greatest wealth.”

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-09-17/vladimir-putin-the-richest-man-on-earth

  172. Habby says of my claim that “Putin is in the mould of DeGaulle or Nasser etc,…” in advocating a multipolar world rather than a unipolar one:

    “Not very encouraging models, I’d say, given the short-livedness of their “achievements” and the mess their countries are in.”

    They were early adopters. The later models are much more refined, reflective.

    And then there’s timeliness.

    You do understand that “the mess their countries are in.” is a direct result of their desire for independent development having been stymied by the West.

  173. The Next 911 : Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.

    Have the British Trident coordinates been programmed into the Trident II D-5 onboard arming computers? Yes I believe they have. Possibly 80 Russian sites have been targeted with 150KTon thermonuclear bombs.

    We rad today Rasmussen said that NATO air policing aircraft will fly more sorties over the Baltic region and NATO ships would be deployed in the Baltic Sea and the Eastern Mediterranean.

    http://rt.com/news/nato-ukraine-response-rasmussen-872/

    The British Navy and the RAF will be involved in these various NATO ‘exercises’ to slowly ramp up the pressure on President Putin; a strategic part of the Ukraine putsch.

    Why do this when a ‘mistake’ or a tragedy or an’act of god’ might cause Russia and Putin to retaliate, strike back, turn the tables or even the score?

    I do not have to answer that question except to say that to our American neocons, Putin has forsaken world order. He has exposed, laid bare the Western alliance insidious, fraudulent, devious rendition program, it’s proxy wars and ‘red line’ activated chemical WMD covert operations; EVEN exposed the American ‘pearl harbor’ attack in 2001 when NORAD was confused by ‘drills’ and steel buildings fell like castles of sand hit by the oncoming tide.

    Putin like Saddam, like Moammar Gadhafi is a traitor to the ‘system’ -to Plutus and Mammon. He must fall on his sword,

    China the deponent will have to sit on her hands, impotent from the threat of nuclear annihilation by US nuclear war-heads totally around one thousand operational Megaton and 500 tactical 150Kton.

    I hope I am wrong albeit the double-encrypted plan must reside in Eastbury Park’s COMNAVNORTH bunker…

  174. Oh gosh look!

    Surely it’s not the Habbabkuk,ESLO,Anon night shift multi-post gang up on someone schtick?

    How quaint,really.

    Kerchingggg!!….now don’t forget to fill in the overtime chits chaps and bwing the bossy wossy a wittle apple for the morning eh?

    You know i’m right chaps innit like,yeah,what eh?

    Fanjitas yoll.

  175. BrianFujisan

    17 Apr, 2014 - 3:30 am

    It is not without good reason that Brennan is known unofficially as Obama’s “assassination and torture tsar”. The 58-year-old spymaster is the embodiment of how Washington has itself become a secret, unaccountable government that has set itself above the law in the running of torture and assassination programs by presidential command. Brennan is the “éminence grise” of the White House’s covert world of state terrorism.
    Following disclosure of Brennan’s weekend visit to the Ukrainian capital, the White House was evidently caught on the back foot. The Oval Office made the somewhat unconvincing attempt to portray it as a perfunctory meeting between security officials. Well, if it was merely a routine itinerary then why was the fact of the meeting such a closely guarded secret – up until the matter was leaked by parliamentary sources in Kiev?
    The timing of Brennan’s sojourn in Kiev comes at a crucial juncture. The unelected Western-backed junta in Kiev is threatening a violent crackdown on pro-Russian protesters in the east and south of the country.
    So far, the protesters have taken over government and police buildings in the major cities of Donetz, Karkhov, Lugansk, Slavyansk and Horlivka. The takeovers have been carried out with notably little violence – in contrast to the Western-backed street violence that occurred in Kiev from the end of November. The eastern Ukraine protests have met minimal resistance from local police and other security forces, and indeed the latter seem to have willingly joined in the defense of the demonstrations.
    The leaders of the self-appointed regime in Kiev are struggling to contain the protesters in the east and south of Ukraine. The chaotic situation is a pointed reminder that the fascists and neo-Nazis who seized power in Kiev at the end of February – after nearly three months of Western-backed street subversion – do not have a democratic mandate to rule over the whole country. The protesters in the eastern cities view the Kiev junta as having come to power illegally. As one woman told media: “They are just a gang of criminals”.
    That view would seem to be substantiated by the tacit revolt among police and security forces in the east of Ukraine against the orders for a crackdown given from Kiev. Such clear lack of command over a basic institution of the state indicates that the Kiev cabal has lost control, or more accurately, never had control in the first place – apart from precipitating the illegal coup in Kiev against the incumbent President Viktor Yanukovych.
    The vacuum of central authority in Ukraine is evident from the ineffective deadlines issued by the office occupiers in Kiev. Ironically, this supports Moscow’s position that any political solution will have to be based on a federal settlement among the regions of Ukraine. American, European and Russian officials are to meet in Geneva this week, but there is little sign that the Western parties can admit to the reckless folly of their efforts at forcing regime change across Ukraine on the back of the Kiev cabal.
    Kiev’s first ultimatum for the protesters in the eastern cities to relinquish their occupation of public buildings expired last Friday. Kiev had given demonstrators 48 hours last week to disperse otherwise it was sending in “anti-terror” military forces to do so. That deadline was defiantly ignored by armed protesters behind their barricades. So too was a second deadline, which expired on Monday morning.
    This is the context for the secret visit by CIA chief John Brennan to Kiev at the weekend. The Washington-backed regime is floundering to cope with the nationwide crisis it has helped to provoke, and it needs a steadying hand from Uncle Sam.
    The CIA’s covert involvement in destabilizing Ukraine goes all the way back to the end of the Cold War, when the country was targeted for regime change from the early 1990s as a calculated pressure point to exert on Russia. The admission at the end of last year by US state department official Victoria Nuland that the US had funneled some $5 billion into Ukraine for subversive activities under the guise of myriad CIA front organizations, such as the National Endowment for Democracy and the Heritage Foundation, is testimony to this strategic gambit.
    The question might be asked: why did Brennan have to visit Kiev in person? Surely, a lesser dignitary bearing a sealed letter would have sufficed? The fact that Brennan was obliged to press the flesh with leaders of the Kiev junta suggests two things. Firstly, the junta is way out of its depth in maintaining a façade of “governance” over a population of 45 million, many of which are armed and implacably opposed to its Western-infiltrated rule. Given Brennan’s top ranking as Washington’s éminence grise, his meeting in Kiev was probably designed at shoring up the shaky US-backed regime in the face of growing dissent.
    Secondly, and more sinisterly, Brennan was letting his hosts in Kiev know – in the most authoritative unspoken way – that they could rely on the full panoply of Washington’s state terrorist expertise.
    The CIA director is a holdover from the Bush administration in which he was a formative figure in drawing up the torture and extraordinary rendition practices during the 2000s. Brennan’s rise through the ranks of the American national security apparatus is in tandem with the rise of American government lawlessness around the world.
    In 2008, he had to withdraw his nomination for the top CIA post under public pressure then from his known involvement in and support for torture. The Obama administration circumvented that glitch by appointing Brennan as the president’s “chief counterterrorism advisor” – a career appointment that did not require Congressional oversight.

    http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/cia-terror-chief-pulls-rank-in-kiev-by-finian-cunningham/

  176. “The argument runs that this could in turn lead to further revelations in the courts and block the major defence against prosecutions of Blair, Straw and Dearlove, among others, potentially unleashing a transatlantic wave of judicial activism.”

    It would bring me great joy to see Blair in the dock. I’m not quite sure what he should be charged with, war-crimes, treason, or corruption in office. I don’t think he can realisticaly be charged with all of them, though of course he is quite obviously guilty of all of them. I’d go with Treason, personally. The war-crimes is never going to stick, and the corruption in office is too boring. But Treason is a good one. It brings added shame, and I wonder if we could still theoretically take him to the tower and chop of his head?

    Apparently, though, Blairy is fearful of assassination, quite genuinely. In case the spooks are reading, I personally would never go above shouting a bit of abuse, and maybe chucking a shoe in his general vicinity – but I’m quite sure some of Bliary’s new pals would go much further. I suspect this is the reason he pops up every so often, repeating his little mantra about whatever it is he talks about, so as to show he is still ‘safe’. I think there is much more chance of Bliar having a little accident, than there is of him going to court.

    Godwin alert. There is that little book called ‘Political Ponerology’, which I’m sure many have read on these boards. In this book, the writer bemoans, quite genuinely, the death of the leading Nazi’s at Nuremberg, because humanity lost the chance to see how evil works, to study the psychopathology of these deviant minds. They may have deserved their fate, no doubt, but their death gained us nothing other than revenge. The writer goes on to suggest that this was never entirely an accident, as too many people simply didn’t want us to know how evil works, and the legal establishment played along. I mention this, because I’m quite sure Blair will never face a court, in case we see a little too much about how powerful men operate, and about the inter-connectedness of it all. So I imagine the senate report will be bland, and full of those funny black redaction marks, and Obama – another curious case – will wibble something about healing, and moving forward, and much will remain a mystery, as ever.

    Also, lots of dead bankers these days. Very curious that. I didn’t know so many were that unhappy. One of them, apparently, shot himself with a nail-gun I believe 9 times, poor guy. Suicide, obviously.

  177. Jives Perhaps it is a surfeit of C2H5OH that produces the late night mass t—-l postings!

    ~~~

    Meanwhile the Heir to Blair does God again in an attempt to recover his diminishing electorate.

    David Cameron puts God back into politics
    British Christians should be unashamedly ‘evangelical’, says David Cameron, as he speaks of the ‘healing power’ of faith in his own life http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10771339/David-Cameron-puts-God-back-into-politics.html

    ‘His comments amount to an olive branch to the churches in the wake of rows over issues such as welfare cuts and gay marriage. His Government has also been accused of failing to stand up for Christians.’

  178. Ba’al; “Macky – Not saying I agree with everything this man says, but just to give the other side of Church – State relations in Russia, apropos the (Russian Ortho) Saker blog”

    Well my impression on reading his stuff, is much like yours & A Node’s, ie, he is as nutty as a fruitcake; I thought it would be rather fitting to see what Saker himself would have to say about his fellow Russian’s writing , so I asked him, and here’s the reply;

    “LOL! Whoever wrote that knows less about Russia than Bart Simpson or, alternatively, is a crazed russophobe with not an ounce of honesty left in him. You can safely disregard anything this character has to say about Russia. Besides, if the guy knew anything at all he would not have to pepper an article about Putin with Tsars, Rasputin, Holy Russia or this pearl “old imperial chauvinism underpinned by the Third Rome effluvia”.

    I just took a quick look at his site and there is no way he is just an ignorant Bart Simpson, which leaves option 2: he is the kind of folks who emigrated from the USSR in the 1970 and who made their entire career of the russophobia. It’s the kind of people I try to stay away from and I mean that, I always try to flush my mental toilet afterwards.

    How is this title (of one of his articles): “Putin: KGB Gang$ta for Life”? Putin was in the foreign intelligence service, just like Papa Bush, but I doubt that folks like this Boot (probably a made-ip name), would write that about him,

    Forget this steaming pile of shit is my best advice!”

    A clarifying correction to my “one of the least moderated blogs I have encountered yet” iro the Vineyardsaker blog, because in fact pre-moderation is in effect ! What I really meant is that I’ve seen strong challenging views to his opinion pieces, and that I have never seen anybody moaning about any other person being banned.

    Also I came across this, which adds interesting bio bits about Saker himself;

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2014/04/who-is-saker.html

  179. @A Node

    Only you could take an article that puts Putin at the top of a list of world leaders by wealth and decide it says he isn’t.

  180. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:41 am

    RD / ELSO.

    I doubted your assertion that the Russian army had taken over Eastern Ukraine.

    Then I found this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NJ4ffOWmZpM#t=0

    (Not for the squeamish.)

  181. Norfolk county council is featured in this weeks Private Eye under rotten boroughs, please find it yourselfs, at least that would resemble some activity.

    I hade enough of rattling vages and reactionary sodding talk, disseminating information so that some f…wit can take the piss out of you for it here, a person who ius essentially leaderless, always on the lookout for new leaders they can latch on to, providing they fit the perfect ideals demanded.

    As usual I will try and help to get some Independent candidate, this time of my own choice, to get elected, because I want change. UKIP’s support shows that many traditional party addicts are now fed up with party politics, but there is nothing there for them but an apathetic public screaming for change, no takers, tacklers or new ideas.

    Shall leave you to the daily argy bargeying, blogging I believe its called.
    @Brian Fujisan
    Shall see you this year, not sure when shall let you know here or on Squonk.
    take care all, I’m just too busy for……..

  182. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:18 am

    Herbie

    “Habby says of my claim that “Putin is in the mould of DeGaulle or Nasser etc,…” in advocating a multipolar world rather than a unipolar one:

    “Not very encouraging models, I’d say, given the short-livedness of their “achievements” and the mess their countries are in.”

    They were early adopters. The later models are much more refined, reflective.”
    _________________

    Examples, please.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=

    “You do understand that “the mess their countries are in.” is a direct result of their desire for independent development having been stymied by the West.”

    ________________

    Facile. Herbie vaunts Nasser and De Gaulle, and then when I point to their singular lack of success, does a reverse ferret and says ““the mess their countries are in.” is a direct result of their desire for independent development having been stymied by the West.”. Nit very convincing as an argument. For Herbie, always on the look out for new heroes, paradise always seems to be just around the corner.

  183. Coming to this a bit late, but to respond to Craig’s original post:

    The shocking bit is that it’s Obama defending actions taken by Bush’s administration and Cameron defending stuff done under Blair. What is the point of having an opposition and different parties of government if they are all on the same side? And it’s certainly not our side or they’d fess up and explain why whatever was done was so obviously in everybody’s best interests and deserves such cross-party support.

  184. @DavidH

    The point is that to do otherwise would be seen by many as unpatriotic and lose a lot of votes.

    Most people will defend their country on international matters whether it is right or wrong.

  185. The tragic loss of life on the now sunken S Korean ship Sewolss has happened close to its intended destination of the island of Jeju, a world heritage site.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27056653

    That fact has not prevented the US from destroying some of its beauty for a naval base with the cooperation of a servile S Korean government.

    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19518-jeju-island-tragic-destruction-of-pristine-marine-area-for-another-naval-base-for-the-us-missile-defense-system

    Note that some of the original protesters have been imprisoned.

  186. s/be Sewol Owned by Chonghaejin Marine Co Ltd since October 2012

    http://www.krs.co.kr/eng/custom/search/c_search_infoship_view.aspx?ClassNo=8955299

  187. YouKnowMyName

    17 Apr, 2014 - 11:19 am

    Quote “assertion that the Russian army had taken over Eastern Ukraine” :-)

    now mainstream media are reporting the recent secret CIA ‘inspiration’ in Kiev

    http://www.msnbc.com/all/why-was-cia-chief-kiev

    was he there to take-over western Ukraine or was he there to establish a new torture base?

    whilst we’re checking out the MSM – there’s a socio-scientific analysis of an Oligarch driven country – reported here in the Torygraph

    Personally I wouldn’t have guessed that – this country where positions of powerful interest groups are “not substantially correlated with the preferences of average citizens”, does seem to have some issues with its worldwide policies not being substantially correlated with the preferences of worldwide citizens? At least we’re only talking about a “Civil Oligarchy”[Winters]

    I have no opinions on this developing situation – I am reading widely – whilst it is still possible

  188. fred 16 Apr, 2014 – 6:27 pm
    “Putin is now the world’s richest head of state, worth between $40 and $70 billion.”

    A Node 17 Apr, 2014 – 12:56 am
    “I’m hoping you’re just being mischievous with this comment, Fred.”
    fred 17 Apr, 2014 – 8:35 am
    “Only you could take an article that puts Putin at the top of a list of world leaders by wealth and decide it says he isn’t.”

    A Node now
    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you’ve realised you were being a gullible fool by believing the Huffington Post article, but rather than take the graceful way out that I offered you, you’ve decided to bluster.
    I’m quite willing to discuss this. Perhaps we could start by you addressing the points I made instead of being insulting.

  189. @A Node

    I aint in any doubts at all shit for brains, you are one of them dumb retards that will just believe whatever suits you regardless.

    So go fuck yourself.

  190. Fred; “Most people will defend their country on international matters whether it is right or wrong.”

    If turning a blind eye to illegal wars, mass murder, inhuman crimes, as well as financial & human right crimes at the expenses of the ordinary citizen, can be classed as “defending their country”, then you may have a point, but the real answer is that it is a logical fallacy to have expected either Obama or Cameron to prosecute their predecessors, as they would never have got elected if they had even hinted at such a thing, as that is not how our respective “democracies” work ! I remember the Bush regime making very sure that Obama was very clear on this, long before he actually become President.

  191. fred 17 Apr, 2014 – 11:37 am

    “@A Node

    I aint in any doubts at all shit for brains, you are one of them dumb retards that will just believe whatever suits you regardless.

    So go fuck yourself.”

    …. counts to ten …. sighs …. moves on.

  192. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 12:00 pm

    Macky

    “I remember the Bush regime making very sure that Obama was very clear on this, long before he actually become President.”
    __________________

    Do you have any links/sources to confirm your memory? Thanks.

  193. @Macky

    It’s just the way people’s minds work. If somebody gets’ caught with a kilo of cocaine in Manchester then they are evil dope fiends and the government should lock them up and throw away the key. If they get caught with a kilo of cocaine in South America then they are victims and the government should be getting them out of there.

    For most people their country is like family, nobody wants to accept that their son is the kind of kid they don’t let him play out with. Cognitive dissonance kicks in.

  194. @A Node

    Look I don’t have any sort of an agenda here. I had recently read the Huffington Post article because it was linked to from the Tom Watson twitter feed, it seemed relevant to the discussion so I posted it.

    If you don’t want to believe it don’t but don’t go calling me names to try and discredit it.

  195. I understand what you are saying, Fred, and of course people will protect members of their family for minor misdemeanours. This is a natural and reasonable tradition.

    However, if that family member commits a heinous crime, such as “murder most foul”, there are few families who wouldn’t turn them in as a matter of decency, unless they were in fear of their own neck. Indeed, the law of the land would expect them to. I’d have thought that in a “mature democracy” there would be procedures that could be invoked, if the betrayal of expected values at a national level goes off the scale.

    It can’t be a proper democracy unless that is the case.

  196. Prince Bandar led the Saudi financial support for the miltary coup against Muhammad Mursi. That would be the equivalent of Cameron locking up Blair. Are there occasions when principles come before politics in Islam, while outside Islam politics always come before principles. The principle in question being the use of US supplied spying technology to allow the Mursi government to make problems for ideological opponents rather than security threats.

  197. “However, if that family member commits a heinous crime, such as “murder most foul”, there are few families who wouldn’t turn them in as a matter of decency, unless they were in fear of their own neck. Indeed, the law of the land would expect them to. I’d have thought that in a “mature democracy” there would be procedures that could be invoked, if the betrayal of expected values at a national level goes off the scale.”

    That is logic, there isn’t anything logical about patriotism.

    The law does recognise the principle to some extent, a wife can’t be made to testify against her husband in most cases.

  198. Fred; “there isn’t anything logical about patriotism”

    How can crimes committed against one own citizens, & in the US case, against the very Constitution, be considered as “patriotism”, especially when the clear objective is personal financial enrichment ?

  199. “The Federation Council [upper house of parliament] granted the president the right to use military force in Ukraine. I really hope that I do not have to exercise that right and that we are able to solve all today’s pressing issues via political and diplomatic means,” Mr Putin said.

    Sod international law – its the Russian Federation Council that counts.

  200. The Russian Federation Council is of course very much Putin’s creature especially given that his view of federalism usually extends to extensive interference in the regional governments that are meant to appoint members to the Federation Council. Good to see that the old Leninist principles of “democratic” centralism are alive and well.

  201. “How can crimes committed against one own citizens, & in the US case, against the very Constitution, be considered as “patriotism”, especially when the clear objective is personal financial enrichment ?”

    I once saw an interview with John Wayne where he was asked his opinion on the slave trade and the discrimination against the African American.

    “Would any of them be better off if they had stayed in Africa?” he said.

    Don’t underestimate cognitive dissonance, it can justify anything.

  202. Fred; “Don’t underestimate cognitive dissonance, it can justify anything”

    For sure, but anybody offering irrationality & hypocrisy, cannot then complain if these factors are highlighted, with the resulting exposure of their povs as bogus & full of lies; the trouble is that when these people do get into power, they don’t complain, instead to misquote, “when I hear the word intellectual, I reach for my pistol”, or these days they simply frame you for some decades in jail.

  203. “@A Node
    Look I don’t have any sort of an agenda here. I had recently read the Huffington Post article because it was linked to from the Tom Watson twitter feed, it seemed relevant to the discussion so I posted it.
    If you don’t want to believe it don’t but don’t go calling me names to try and discredit it.”

    Thank you.
    And all I did was point out that the claim contradicts itself.
    The Huffington Post claimed Putin was the world’s richest leader, and ‘justified’ their choice thus:
    “Putin is believed to be worth between $40 and $70 billion, Bloomberg notes.”
    The link takes you to a Bloomberg article which explains that the claim is rubbish.

  204. @A Node

    Besides assigning ulterior motives to me for posting it then calling me a gullible fool for believing it you mean.

    If you don’t want to believe it don’t, fine by me.

  205. Fred,
    Do you believe that Putin is the world’s richest leader?

  206. Good news.

    BREAKING NEWS:Caroline Lucas MP found not guilty of public order offence along with four others after anti-fracking protests in W Sussex

    So Heir to Blair can frack off.

    Please sign this if you agree.

    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/stop-the-shale-gas-extraction-by-fracking

  207. Any takers? Surely the work has already been done and this course is redundant.

    Mar 30 2014

    University of Haifa’s ‘Cyber Warriors’ will help fight the delegitimization of Israel using new media
    http://newmedia-eng.haifa.ac.il/?p=6614

  208. “Do you believe that Putin is the world’s richest leader?”

    I don’t have any reasons not to. The people he hangs out with seem to be immensely wealthy it seems reasonable to assume he is as well.

    But I don’t intend to spend time on google to try and prove the unprovable, if it contradicts what you want to believe then just don’t believe it.

  209. Interesting read Brian at 17 Apr, 2014 – 3:30 am

    Paul Craig Roberts kinda merges our posts in that this reckless folly of their efforts at forcing regime change across Ukraine can drive the path to war.

    The CIA director instructed Washington’s hand-picked stooge government in Kiev to apply to the United Nations for help in repelling “terrorists” who with alleged Russian help are allegedly attacking Ukraine. In Washington’s vocabulary, self-determination is a sign of Russian interference. As the UN is essentially a Washington-financed organization, Washington will get what it wants.

    The Russian government has already made it completely clear some weeks ago that the use of violence against protesters in eastern and southern Ukraine would compel the Russian government to send in the Russian army to protect Russians, just as Russia had to do in South Ossetia when Washington instructed its Georgian puppet ruler to attack Russian peacekeeping troops and Russian residents of South Ossetia.

    Washington knows that the Russian government cannot stand aside while one of Washington’s puppet states attacks Russians. Yet, Washington is pushing the crisis to war.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38236.htm

  210. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    I should hazard a guess that rasPutin has a lot more money tucked away somewhere than Yeltsin ever had.

    Ni selling himself cheap for our Vlad!

  211. Fred,
    “I don’t have any reasons not to [believe Putin is the world’s richest leader].”
    You don’t have any credible reason to believe it either.

  212. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 3:12 pm

    re Paul Craig Roberts, lovingly cited by Mark “Wait” Golding:

    Apart from having been, for 10 months, 3O years ago, one of 11 US Assistant Treasury Secretaries, what qualifications does this chap have to pontificate on anything?

    He always reminds me of one of those guys one sees wandering around wearing a sandwich board on which is written “The end is nigh”. They’re still wandering around and the end still hasn’t arrived.

  213. You have been hearing of Mr Hunt’s plan to have virtual GP consultations by phone, email or Skype. Wonder how physical examinations would be achieved!

    Well this is what one doctor has to say on the current situation. Chapter and verse.

    GPs braced for shutdown after ‘toxic mix’ of loss of funds and high demand
    At one of 98 GP surgeries in England under threat of closure there is despair that NHS reforms could kill off good care
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/16/gps-surgeries-shutdown-loss-funds-high-demand-nhs
    16 April 2014

    It seems that Mr Hunt’s wheeze of issuing QOF points does not mean prizes.

    Lose the NHS and lose it forever.

  214. The ex UK Ambassador to Russia Sir Tony Brenton has been speaking on Sky News. He is saying that the West have got it all wrong with their plan to increase sanctions. No link.

  215. Residents of the United States and Russia, two nations currently engaged in an international brawl, might be particularly interested in the fact that their countries possess over 16,000 nuclear weapons. About 2,000 of them on hair-trigger alert, ready for use within minutes. According to the ICAN report, if only 500 of these weapons were to hit major U.S. and Russian cities, “100 million people would die in the first half an hour, and tens of millions would be fatally injured. Huge swaths of both countries would be blanketed by radioactive fallout.” Furthermore, “most Americans and Russians would die in the following months from radiation sickness and disease epidemics.”

    http://original.antiwar.com/lawrence-wittner/2014/04/14/your-doctors-are-worried/

  216. “You don’t have any credible reason to believe it either.”

    I don’t think Huffington Post would have printed it if they didn’t believe it and I don’t think Tom Watson would have linked to it if he didn’t believe it.

    So it all comes down to who you believe, I believe them, not you.

  217. I forgot to add – “Life is beautiful” remembering the ‘Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal’ was described as ‘so mind-bogglingly stupid that it assumes that if you can’t see it, then it can’t see you.’

  218. It’s so surreal you wonder if it’s true. He is threatening war with Russia yet takes time for a selfie with the war monger Biden yesterday.

    Barack Obama and Joe Biden took a selfie today. Yes, for real.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/16/barack-obama-and-joe-biden-took-a-selfie-today-yes-for-real/

    Obama Raises Spectre Of War With Russia
    Sky News
    As tensions mount in Ukraine, for the first time in decades an American president has raised the prospect of war with Russia.
    by Sunita.Patel 2:36 PM

    The press conference is two and a half hours overdue.

    The question of Putin’s wealth is a total irrelevance btw.

  219. technicolour

    17 Apr, 2014 - 3:57 pm

    The Day Today: War

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEwBrJzhlg

    NB It’s a spoof

  220. Fred
    “I don’t think Huffington Post would have printed it if they didn’t believe it”

    OK, you win, I can’t top that. Over and out.

  221. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 4:11 pm

    Mary

    “The ex UK Ambassador to Russia Sir Tony Brenton has been speaking on Sky News. He is saying that the West have got it all wrong with their plan to increase sanctions. No link.”
    ________________

    And on a Radio 4 programme this morning, another former and even more distinguished UK Ambassador to Russia – Sir Roderick Lyne – appeared to be saying the opposite.

  222. Oh that establishment stooge from the Chilcot School of Theatrics.

    Sir Roderic Lyne is now Vice-Chairman at Chatham House where, from 1986 to 1987, he was a Visiting Research Fellow. He is an advisor to JPMorgan Chase ,[1] who have been chosen to operate the Trade Bank of Iraq , which will give banks access to the financial system of Iraq [6] He was a special adviser to BP , which currently has major interests in Iraq.[7] He is a non-executive director of Petropavlovsk plc (formerly Peter Hambro Mining). He is a member of the Board of the Russo-British Chamber of Commerce; the Board of Governors of Kingston University ; and is a Governor of the Ditchley Foundation .[5] From 2005-7 he was a member of the Task Force of the Trilateral Commission on Russia.[5] He was a member of the Chilcot inquiry into circumstances leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq ,[8] having been appointed to the Privy Council in 2009.[9] Several people have commented that he is the toughest inquisitor on the committee.[2] He currently sits on the Advisory Council of the Front Row Group of Companies Ltd.

    Ditchley, Chatham House, JP Morgan…. Shall I continue?

    PS BLiar is a paid adviser/operative for JP Morgan Chase but I expect everybody knows that.

  223. If it is available on I-player, Mary, I should listen to Sir Roderick on the balanced broadcasting corporation’s radio 4 this morning. He was interviewed by an increasingly fawning John Humphries, and giving “both sides”. The Russian side was given as “trying to destabilise the Ukraine”. I used to really think the BBC made an effort to be balanced.

  224. Lyne contd.

    Nice little earner here.

    http://www.frontrowgroup.co.uk/about-us.htm

    I felt sick when a photo of Bono popped up on the Hospitality section.
    http://www.frontrowhospitality.co.uk/

    There’s Lifestyle, Luxury, Property, Leadership, Education…. all bases covered.

    The founder http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/richard-wallace/48/796/209 Interesting that there is a Russian connection there.

  225. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 5:46 pm

    Mary

    “Oh that establishment stooge from the Chilcot School of Theatrics.

    Sir Roderic Lyne is now Vice-Chairman at Chatham House..etc, etc..”
    __________________

    What, in that litany about what retired Ambassador Sir Roderick Lyne is doing at present, makes his opinions on Ukraine and Russia less valid than those of retired Ambassador Sir Tony Brenton?

    In what way is he a “stooge”?

  226. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 5:51 pm

    Peacewisher

    “If it is available on I-player, Mary, I should listen to Sir Roderick on the balanced broadcasting corporation’s radio 4 this morning. He was interviewed by an increasingly fawning John Humphries, and giving “both sides”. The Russian side was given as “trying to destabilise the Ukraine”. I used to really think the BBC made an effort to be balanced.”
    ____________________

    A comment typical for those posters who, when airtime is given to someone whose views they don’t like, call the BBC “biased” and the interviewer “fawning”.

  227. Thanks Peacewisher. I will have to steel myself to listen to it.

  228. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 6:31 pm

    Just to GIVE THE LIE to the assertion frequently made by MARY and other ISRAEL DENIERS that the UK govt is biased in favour of Israel and against the Palestinians, here is the text of statement issued by Foreign Secretary WILLIAM HAGUE thid very day, 17 April 2014:

    “The UK condemns the decisions taken by the Israeli authorities to change the status of a significant amount of land around the illegal settler outpost of Netiv Ha’avot and to create a new settlement in Hebron. Settlements are illegal and an obstacle to peace, and these decisions detract from on-going efforts to deliver a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The only path to peace is through negotiations.”.

    Source: FCO website.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    There you go, Mary and other Israel deniers, put that in your pipe and smoke it! :)

  229. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 6:35 pm

    Mary

    After you’ve steeled yourself and listened, perhaps you will then tell us why you rushed in to call Sir Roderic Lyne an “establishment stooge”?

    I notice you are quick with the insults and accusations, but somewhat slower to justify or back them up. Cowardly or ignorant?

  230. Craig

    Mary thinks that Sir Roderic Lyne is rather too close to “Da Management”.

    She further thinks that Sir Tony Brenton is of rather more independent mind.

    I’d say that their careers after FCO are rather divergent.

    Sir Roderic seems to have plumped for, shall we say Atlanticist employ, whilst Sir Tony seems more content in academic pursuits and advising a large British mutual.

    Have you a view?

    Sir Roderic was an Eton chappie, and a rather poor scholar, if that helps.

    Again though I think we see that recurring divide between those who favour a unipolar world against those who’d prefer a multipolar arrangement.

    Funny the way this fundamental dispute isn’t made much of in media.

  231. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Herbie

    What would you see as the benefits and advantages – for the UK and its citizens (as yourself)- of a “multipolar” world as opposed to a “unipolar” one?

  232. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 7:30 pm

    Herbie

    “Sir Roderic was.. a rather poor scholar, if that helps.”
    ____________________

    Where do you get that one from? According to Wikipedia, he got poor A level results but was a good student at university. Leeds University, by the way, not Oxbridge – a fact that I should have thought would endear him to you.

    All should read his entire page on Wikipedia: dishonest as so often, Mary carefully selected only those bits which she thought would most discredit him in the eyes of the other Eminences. He’s a good guy.

  233. Yes Mary, I also heard the plummy Lyne pontificating about Russia. We told them what to do, join the status quo of the international community, and they didn’t listen.

    Alhamdulillah I am not part of the status quo, whoever they are and whatever they own. They don’t own me. even if they do pay the mosque to bug my mobile phone.

  234. No not cowardly or ignorant. Possessor of the characteristics of a lion and very well informed. :)

  235. This will shock the t—-ls. Something good being said about President Assad and in the Torygraph. Zut alors!.

    Syria: As the bombs fall, the people of Damascus rally round Bashar al-Assad
    The West may oppose Assad’s regime, but on the streets of the capital the people fear a greater evil
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10770311/Syria-As-the-bombs-fall-the-people-of-Damascus-rally-round-Bashar-al-Assad.html

  236. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 7:58 pm

    “Zut alors!.”
    ______________________

    No one says that in France these days. You’ve been watching too many repeats of ‘Allo ‘allo.

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  238. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:06 pm

    Mary

    “No not cowardly or ignorant. Possessor of the characteristics of a lion and very well informed.”
    _________________-

    Then prove it to your avid readers by telling them exactly why you think Roderic Lyne’s an “establishment stooge”. :)

  239. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:09 pm

    Guano

    “I also heard the plummy Lyne…”
    ____________-

    That mention of “plummy” reminded me of something I’d been meaning to ask you. Do you drink a lot of prune juice? It could just be an explanation…

  240. Resident Dissident

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:21 pm

    “Do you believe that Putin is the world’s richest leader?”

    He is certainly a liar about his income however – his declared income on his public tax returns is less than the equivalent of £100k per annum. Masha Gessen’s book provides plenty of evidence regarding his personal financial wealth and even if it doesn’t make him the richest leader in the World (his fellow crook in Kazakhstan will be up there aa well)he is certainly a contender.

  241. Resident Dissident

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:27 pm

    @Mary

    The Russian side was given as “trying to destabilise the Ukraine”. I used to really think the BBC made an effort to be balanced.

    So who do you think all those balaclaved types, wearing very similar uniforms without insiginia, and well armed and drilled in Eastern Ukraine at the present are. Google and you can find the photos.

    Just a clue their uniform and equipment is very similar to the same types in Crimea.

  242. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:29 pm

    “Discussing this vote, I found – to my surprise – that even people outside the governing Ba’ath party, including some of Assad’s political opponents, said they would support him.”

    Shadows of Iraq, Mary. I guess the people recognize Assad is the best bad idea we have.

    I didn’t weep over Saddam’s demise, but in retrospect I think Iraq and the Region have suffered more from ousting a dicktator, than any rape room or evil prescribed by a tyrant’s rule.

  243. Resident Dissident

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/vladimir-putin-poorest-kremlin-official-declaration-shows-507483

    Those who believe this, will also believe everything that Vlad says – I should add that the number of Russians who believe this can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand.

  244. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:33 pm

    Ah, yes. The regime change magic-bullet.

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/131023/two-years-after-gaddafi-libya-revolution-anniversary

    “Two years after the capture and death of dictator Muammar Gaddafi, a new saying has emerged in Libya: “Before we only had one Gaddafi, but now we have hundreds.”

    As GlobalPost chatted to locals in the streets of Tripoli, all complained of the current situation, but none openly showed any love of their former ruler.

    “I’m glad we got rid of Gaddafi of course, but it’s tough now,” said banker Taher Giuma. “Libya is ruled by militias who enforce their agenda on the government, but I hope it will improve in time.”

    Others drew comparisons between the old regime and the new.

    “There was a lot of talk during the revolution of change, but the new government do not do anything different,” said Radwan Smeda as he sat in Martyrs’ Square. “Before you couldn’t say anything bad about Gaddafi. Now you can’t accuse the rebels no matter what they do. It’s the same old system. Only the faces have changed.”

  245. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:42 pm

    Zionists going full Jihadist.

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/04/settlers-christian-village.html

    “Just weeks before Pope Francis’ first official visit to the Holy Land, a number of Christian holy sites in Israel and Palestine have been targeted in ‘price tag’ attacks by the radical Israeli settler movement. These attacks have been increasing since 2008.
    Just weeks before Pope Francis’ first official visit to the Holy Land – the first Papal visit in 50 years – a number of Christian holy sites in Israel and Palestine have been targeted in ‘price tag’ attacks by the radical Israeli settler movement. The most recent attack occurred at the Our Lady at Deir Rafat Monastery located on the site of the depopulated former Arab village of the same name, north-west of the Israeli city of Beit Shemesh. The graffiti, sprayed in Hebrew on the outer walls of the Monastery, read ‘Jesus is an ape and Mary is a cow’, to which the Latin (Catholic) Patriarch of Jerusalem, Fouad Twal, responded, ‘I don’t believe this is a proper way to receive the Holy Father here next month.’ However, this is only the latest in what the UN High Commission reported was a 150% increase in ‘price tag’ attacks since 2008, with over 788 registered attacks from 2012-2013.

  246. @Resident-Dissident That was my quote, not Mary’s. If you had listened to radio 4 this morning and were anything like of independent mind you’d have seen it as biased. They may be “pro-Russian” or they may be “anti-Kiev” but they are not Russian. Channel 4 tracked one of the balaclava-clad to hospital after he was injured, and later interviewed him. He was clearly Ukrainian. Thank goodness Channel 4 is not as bias as the BBC, which does now appear to be edited by neo-cons.

    Thank goodness Kerry and Ashton weren’t similarly looking to raise the anti and achieved a remarkable agreement with Lavrov this afternoon.

  247. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 8:49 pm

    Of course, we shouldn’t assume Putin could be bested by neo-nazis in their blood feuds.

    We have many examples of how evil dicktators produce a panacea for progress when they are removed.

  248. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:04 pm

    I expect some pushback on Zios from Cameron; him being a good christian, and all.

    http://www.leftfootforward.org/2014/04/camerons-christianity-is-sanitised-and-shallow/#more-82967

    “Presumably Cameron and his aides have had a little chat and realised that around this time of year small ‘c’ conservatives are thinking a little more about Christianity than they ordinarily would. And they’ve decided, as they do most years, that it might be a good idea to reinforce their leader’s claims to being a man of religious depth.
    Speaking as a Christian and a student of religion who disagrees profoundly with the spirit of Cameron’s premiership so far, I have some serious theological problems with what he’s had to say.
    Of course, Cameron’s right that religion can ‘help people to have a moral code’. He’s probably also right that non-believers and hardline secularists may underestimate the importance of this for the health of society (though some would inevitably also say that it is precisely this ‘moral code’ that is the problem).
    One of the places where Cameron has pointed people this Easter for Christianity’s ‘moral code’, though, is Jesus instruction to ‘love thy neighbour’. And here he is a little… weak.”

  249. RD as confused as ever. Wonder how many other blogs they have to patro

    ~~~

    In sharp contrast to the Oborne piece on Syria, we discover that Mr Zionist Harper has a plan afoot, in fact several.

    As children in post war Britain, we were led to hold Canada in high esteem. Part of the Commonwealth they had come to our aid in large numbers. There was much imagery including handsome Mounties in red and navy.
    http://assets.hightimes.com/royal-canadian-mounted-police-marijuana.jpg

    All Empire and decency and the beautiful maple leaf. Now it is a rotten imitation of that federation to its south where goodness and principle are rare amongst those with power. And we all know why and say it.

    Canada Plans to Invade Syria

    The pro-Israeli government of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper is making diplomatic and military preparations for military intervention in Syria, leaked documents show.

    Canada’s National Defense has drawn up at least five scenarios for the country’s military mission in Syria, according to documents obtained by the Ottawa Citizen.

    /..
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/canada-plans-to-invade-syria/5378030

    Incredible.

  250. …..patrol and police.

  251. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:27 pm

  252. We should all hope so, Joker. The alternative (money war) will be pretty bad Economically for both Europe and the US.

    Kerry has done good. The stumbling block with be the Eastern Ukrainians who have been so outraged by activities in Kiev in recent months that that won’t retreat until the last neo-fascist is purged from the Ukrainian parliament.

  253. Mary.

    Exploitation through-
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony

  254. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:41 pm

    “We should all hope so, Joker…”

    We can hope in one hand, and shite in the other, then wait to see which fills first. I don’t trust the useful idiot, beyond his mindless gaffes, as gaffes.

  255. John Pilger

    Nato’s action plan in Ukraine is right out of Dr Strangelove
    From China to Ukraine, the US is pursuing its longstanding ambition to dominate the Eurasian landmass
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/17/nato-ukraine-dr-strangelove-china-us
    17 April 2014

    John Stanton

    FIDO and General Wes Clark in Ukraine
    US Advisors on the Ground, Deadly Messenger
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/04/fido-and-general-wes-clark-in-ukraine/
    16 April 2014

    FIDO = Foreign Internal Defense Operations

  256. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:54 pm

    “In 1964, the year Dr Strangelove was made, “the missile gap” was the false flag. To build more and bigger nuclear weapons and pursue an undeclared policy of domination, President John F Kennedy approved the CIA’s propaganda that the Soviet Union was well ahead of the US in the production of intercontinental ballistic missiles. This filled front pages as the “Russian threat”. In fact, the Americans were so far ahead in production of the missiles, the Russians never approached them. The cold war was based largely on this lie.”

    I remember the 80′s when Reagan was pushing the MX missile which he double-speak renamed ‘Peacekeeper”

    He used pictures of ancient USSR missiles with massive hydrogen powered missiles and compared them to our smaller but more powerful sold-fuel stages to make the enemy appear larger than reality. It’s an old strategy.

  257. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 9:56 pm

    I somehow feel some sympathy for our local Authoritarians who must defuse the evidence. :)

  258. Yup. Looks like Putin wins again:

    ““It calls for an immediate commencement of a broad national dialogue which must be inclusive, transparent and accountable,” he said.

    Lavrov stressed that measures to disarm illegal armed groups and free seized buildings would apply to all regions of Ukraine without exception.

    “The measures we have stated concern all regions of Ukraine without exception and all problematic questions without exception,” he said.”

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/728551

    Interesting chap this, Andrii Deshchytsia, who represented the Kiev govt, in his capacity as acting Foreign Minister designate.

    Seems he’s a career diplomat:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrii_Deshchytsia

    Machine back firmly in control then, eh.

  259. “We can hope in one hand, and shite in the other, then wait to see which fills first. I don’t trust the useful idiot, beyond his mindless gaffes, as gaffes.”

    Another one for the downstairs loo

  260. Not quite, Herbie…

    It will be interesting to see Svboda (sp?) getting voluntarily disarmed…

  261. Details are starting to leak, but what is really needed is a another brave whistleblower;

    http://www.alternet.org/world/5-explosive-revelations-leaked-senate-report-exposing-cia-torture?page=0%2C0&paging=off%A4t_page%3D1

  262. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    Ah…regime change.

    Baghdad now WORLD’S WORST city.

    http://news.yahoo.com/once-arab-model-baghdad-now-worlds-worst-city-171513551.html

    A trillion dollars in gold, and countless pints of human blood. How long before we can flatten the learning curve?

  263. Snap Ben ! I just posted that link on the previous thread !

    Anyhow, there’s another;

    http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/04/16/most-reported-deaths-in-syria-have-not-been-committed-by-assad-regime/

  264. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 11:15 pm

    Macky;

    “Update: This post should be absorbed along with the news that Syrian opposition fighters now have U.S.-made anti-tank missiles given to them by Saudi Arabia with Washington’s consent.”

    Because of the economics of warfare. It’s not personal; just bizness.

  265. Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker

    17 Apr, 2014 - 11:17 pm

    Weird that we posted just minutes apart, Macky.

  266. A couple more;

    Pity there wasn’t any Swedes on Yashika Bageerathi’s recent deportation flight;

    http://rudaw.net/english/world/16042014

    The Government making full use of the truthism of Dead Men Don’t Talk;

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/16/us-britain-iraq-inquiry-idUSBREA3F1IE20140416

  267. Ben; “Because of the economics of warfare. It’s not personal; just bizness”

    Putin should try the same line, and maybe match every new weapon supplied to the anti-Government forces in Syria, with supplies to the anti-Coup protesters in Eastern Ukraine !

  268. “Deal Struck to Calm Ukraine Crisis” trumpets the BBC.

    Bullshit.

    The Yanks, and whatever proxies they are using, will be in there, beavering away. The Craft, or G4S, or even Right Sector goons, will do something nasty in Eastern Ukraine, there will be a reaction, and that way a little more civil strife will be sown.

    Such is the neocon method in the War on Terror (Phase 2). Shock and awe is so Roland Emmerich. A little more subtlety is now required to sustain the illusion of anything remotely akin to noble ends.

  269. Mike; “Bullshit”

    I agree; it’s not worth the paper it’s written on, and all that signed it, know that; just playing for time on all sides; so not that it actually means anything, but these under-reported aspects were part of the agreement;

    #1: Recognition of Crimea as Russia
    #2: Gas and debt payments by Ukraine
    #3: Referendums, not just top-down “autonomy” from Kiev

  270. BrianFujisan

    18 Apr, 2014 - 1:29 am

    Great posts n links n Info floating around..Cheers all…

    Some more from Mark’s excellent post @ 3;03 pm 17th….

    The danger for Russia is that the Russian government will rely on diplomacy, international organizations, international cooperation, and on the common sense and self-interest of German politicians and politicians in other of Washington’s European puppet states.

    For Russia this could be a fatal mistake. There is no good will in Washington, only mendacity. Russian delay provides Washington with time to build up forces on Russia’s borders and in the Black Sea and to demonize Russia with propaganda and whip up the US population into a war frenzy. The latter is already occurring.

    Kerry has made it clear to Lavrov that Washington is not listening to Russia. As Washington pays well, Washington’s European puppets are also not listening to Russia. Money is more important to European politicians than humanity’s survival.

    In my opinion, Washington does not want the Ukraine matters settled in a diplomatic and reasonable way. It might be the case that Russia’s best move is immediately to occupy the Russian territories of Ukraine and re-absorb the territories into Russia from whence they came. This should be done before the US and its NATO puppets are prepared for war. It is more difficult for Washington to start a war when the objects of the war have already been lost. Russia will be demonized with endless propaganda from Washington whether or not Russia re-absorbs its traditional territories. If Russia allows these territories to be suppressed by Washington, the prestige and authority of the Russian government will collapse. Perhaps that is what Washington is counting on.

    Full Piece as Mark’s link Above @

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38236.htm

    And Then This ….

    Open letter to President Obama

    You know very well that Russia has never stated it was going to invade Eastern Ukraine and you know very well that Russian troop movements inside Russia are Russia’s business, and not yours. Mind your own business, while you maintain torture camps and thousands of armed personnel overseas, and what has Ukraine to do with you? Does it share a frontier with the USA? Or has the arms lobby told you to set up a NATO base there so that Ukraine can contribute 2% of its GDP, like the other NATO member states which last year spent some 1.2 trillion USD on NATO weaponry/administrative costs?

    1.2 trillion USD in one year, four times more than it would take to eradicate endemic poverty, worldwide, forever. And your political epitaph is what, exactly? The one who supported terrorists and Fascists to spread the interests of the lobbies you are too damned weak to stand up against, thereby letting down every single woman and man who has supported you?

    You also know very well that this Fascist Junta in Kiev being illegal, and the removal of the elected President being illegal, only a Government headed by President Viktor Yanukovich has any authority in Ukraine and in the absence of this, the authority in the Crimea was and is the Assembly, which had every right to organize a free and fair referendum on the status of the Crimea. 97 per cent of the voters wanted to return home to Russia. It is called Democracy, Mr. President, so what have you against that?

    Finally, Mr. President, take a trip to the Donbas area of Ukraine, in fact walk around all over Eastern Ukraine, then come back here and tell me if Russia needs to send any agents into the area to fight for their rights over the Fascist Junta which seized power in Kiev. Of course it doesn’t, they are perfectly capable of standing up for themselves, as Ukrainian citizens, living in a Ukraine which respects their rights in a Federative State. That is all they ask for and Russia has never said or done anything to foment violence, instead Moscow has always called for a diplomatic solution whereas you, Mr. President, are the only one who has mentioned war, just as your country is the only one to have perpetrated an atomic terrorist attack on civilians. Twice. And after the Japanese Government had offered your country the same terms it accepted at the peace agreement, as you know, or should know.

    See, the ones you support in the Ukraine are the ones calling for the death of these citizens, the ones Moscow supports are innocent civilians trying to protect themselves against death threats, trying to stave off a massacre, and simply calling on the Government to hear them and protect them.

    Your Government wants them massacred by the Fascist Junta? Russia’s Government wants your Fascist Junta to guarantee their human rights. The bottom line is, after Iraq, after Abu Ghraib, after Guantanmo, after Libya, after Syria and the demonic hordes Washington supports, there is no high moral horse for you to ride into town on, Mr. President. You know it, we know it, so how about that C word, Change?

    The Russian Federation has annexed nobody as you know, the Russian Federation poses a threat to no-one, as you know. So why do you repeat the lies every time you open your mouth? How about less propaganda, less rhetoric, less hype, less hysteria, less intrusion, less spreading hatred and more dialogue and more respect?

    Now that you have sided openly with Fascists, now that you have sided openly with terrorists in several theatres of war, now that you have sided with or identified yourself with torturers, now that you stand side-by-side with your country’s torture and concentration camps, where citizens are detained for a decade without right to due legal process (and you call yourself a lawyer?), now that you side with those who call for, or are supported by those who call for, the death of Russians and Jews, I believe the ball is in your court, Mr. President.

    by… Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey @

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/17-04-2014/127391-letter_obama-0/

    Lastly some more From J. Pilger -

    So there you have it. The United States government is so overwhelmingly corrupt that even the financial regulatory agencies have been corrupted by the money of the private capitalists they are supposed to regulate.

    America the corrupted. That is what we have become.

    Not even Vladimir Putin understands how totally corrupt and insensitive to humanity Washington is.

    Putin’s response to the Ukraine crisis created by Washington’s coup in Kiev is to rely on

    “Russia’s Western partners,” the UN, the Obama regime, John Kerry, etc., to work out a reasonable solution to the crisis.

    Putin’s hope for a diplomatic solution is unrealistic. The NATO governments are bought-and-paid-for by Washington. For example, Germany is not a country. Germany is a mere piece of Washington’s empire. The German government will do as Washington says.The German government represents Washington’s agenda. The European governments to whom Putin is speaking are not listening.

    Paul Wolfowitz, the neoconservative who as Deputy Secretary of Defense presided over the orchestration of the false evidence used by the Bush regime to launch Washington’s wars in the Middle East, declared the minimization of Russian power as the “first objective” of US foreign and military policy:

    “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”

    What Wolfowitz means by “hostile power” is any power independent of Washington’s hegemony.

    Washington overthrew the elected Ukraine government in order to orchestrate a crisis that would distract Russia from Washington’s adventures in Syria and Iran and in order to demonize Russia as an invader rebuilding an empire that is a danger to Europe. Washington will use this demonization in order to break-up growing economic relationships between Russia and Europe. The purpose of sanctions is not to punish Russia, but to break up economic relationships.

    Washington’s strategy is audacious and brings risk of war. If the West had an independent media, Washington’s plan would fail. But instead of a media, the West has a Ministry of Propaganda.

    Full piece @

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/privatization-is-a-ramp-for-corruption-and-insouciance-is-a-ramp-for-war/5378208

  271. BrianFujisan

    18 Apr, 2014 - 2:56 am

    Here’s A Brilliant Piece by Finian Cunningham

    On Ukraine, Putin said:

    “Instead of realizing that something has gone wrong in the Ukrainian state and making attempts to start dialogue, they [the Western-backed junta in Kiev] have intensified their threats to use force and have even decided to send tanks and aircraft against the civilian population. It is another very serious crime on the part of the current Kiev authorities”.

    It is only Western rulers and their pliant news media that seem to have a problem with relating to such unequivocal reality. Obama and his ilk twist reality by accusing Putin of violating Ukraine’s sovereignty – this after the American government helped bring neo-Nazi paramilitaries to power in Kiev through murderous street violence and occupations. Britain’s Foreign Secretary William Hague this week accuses Russia of pushing Ukraine to “the brink”, while the French government is adding its support for imposing further provocative diplomatic sanctions against Moscow. Such people are living in a parallel universe, and most ordinary citizens around the world are increasingly becoming aware of their appalling irrationality.

    It is only the patronage of Western governments and their news media that lends this chauvinist junta a veneer of legitimacy, even while it is declaring war on its people.

    As Putin said in his televised nationwide interview:

    “Order in the country [Ukraine] can be established only through a dialogue, in the course of democratic procedures, rather than through the use of the armed forces, tanks, and warplanes”.

    There is a strong sense that Putin may be far too decent with regard to the Kiev mob. But it is Putin’s civility and common sense that has seen him winning over public opinion, nationally and internationally.

    Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize warrior and Assassin-in-Chief whose name has become a byword for liar, told American media earlier this week. “What we do need is a recognition that countries like Ukraine can have relationships with a whole range of their neighbours and it is not up to anybody, whether it is Russia or the United States or anybody else, to make decisions for them”.
    Well, empty platitudes aside, that is exactly what the US has done in Ukraine by fomenting violence in Kiev from the end of last November until the coup in February and is doing now by bestowing a completely illegitimate and illegal junta with the false nomenclature of “government of Ukraine”.

    This week too, Samantha Power, the American ambassador to the United Nations, echoed the distortion by telling the Security Council that Russia was subverting eastern Ukraine: “We know who is behind this. Indeed the only entity in the area capable of coordinating these professional military actions is Russia”.
    This sounds rather like the voice of guilty conscience speaking out about its own dark and dirty secrets.

    Despite her assured tone, Power’s lack of evidence regarding Russia amounted to fanciful speculation, which the Russian envoy Vitaly Churkin duly noted and derided as “phantom chasing”.

    THIS IS THE SAME Samantha Power.. who last August ( “ASSURED” ) THE WORLD that her country had “conclusive proof” that Syrian government forces had used chemical weapons to kill hundreds of its citizens. Power was urging back then for US military strikes against Syria in response. We are still waiting to see American “conclusive proof” for that warmongering claim, while substantial counter-evidence has in fact since emerged to show that the culprits for the atrocity were actually US-backed militants in Syria.

    Every time, it seems, that Western political leaders and their media make bombastic claims, it is subsequently shown to be fabrication, deception, lies or arrant nonsense. No wonder the Western public is deserting them en masse.
    They have lied about wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. That makes these wars criminal aggressions and huge crimes against humanity. They lie about the reasons for why the US and its allies kill people every week with assassination drones in Somalia and Yemen and with criminal trade sanctions imposed for bogus pretexts on Iran.

    Finian Cunningham @

    http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/putin-stands-out-as-a-real-world-leader-by-finian-cunningham/#more-161107

  272. Habbabkuk,

    Oh dear Habba,you eternal fool you…

    Surely you must realise the only thing Yeltsin had hidden away was bottles of vodka??

    Usually hiddenbehind filing cabinets,in his airing cupboards and in the footwell of his Zill…

    Surely even a paid for fool like you Habba understands that hmm??

  273. Brian I hope you don’t mind a correction to your 1.29am post with its good links. The last one http://www.globalresearch.ca/privatization-is-a-ramp-for-corruption-and-insouciance-is-a-ramp-for-war/5378208 was by Paul Craig Roberts and not John Pilger.

    I look at Dandelion Salad too. Nice little site.

  274. BrianFujisan

    18 Apr, 2014 - 5:20 am

    Mary

    Thank You..i Knew i fucked up somewhere… i thought i had seen reff from you to j.p up threads….and after much work left the page here.. tried to correct..too Late….Had go over the Whole effin post again….

    Mods – ALCANON’S Edit Button

    Anyway..rather you correcting Me Mary…Than the creepy things…:)

  275. Brian.

    Mind your p’s and q’s when in company of a lady! Please.

  276. Correctionn to my Post @11.39pm, as it seems I was misinformed about what was agreed; instead these seems to be the main points;

    1) Kiev has agreed to negotiate with the East.
    2) All illegal armed groups will have to disarm (that was already agreed between Yanukovich and the EU).
    3) OSCE monitors will be dispatched to the East to monitor the situation.
    4) Kiev has committed to legal reforms for greater autonomy.
    5) The Crimea has not even been discussed.
    6) The EU has accepted Putin’s proposal to discuss gas deliveries.
    7) Nobody will face prosecution except for major crimes.

  277. And Kerry threw this in to stir the pot.

    April 17, 2014

    GENEVA (Reuters) – U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Thursday that Jews in a city in eastern Ukraine had been ordered to register with the authorities, calling the idea intolerable.

    “Just in the last couple of days, notices were sent to Jews in one city indicating that they had to identify themselves as Jews … or suffer the consequences,” Kerry told reporters. “This is not just intolerable, it’s grotesque.”

    (Reporting By Arshad Mohammed; Editing by Robin Pomeroy)
    http://www.vagazette.com/news/sns-rt-us-ukraine-crisis-kerry-jews-20140417,0,1617822.story

    Dealt with here in a post by the Medialens editors.
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1397805394.html

    Yatseniuk knew of the order. I understand there are many Jews in the Ukraine, and apart from that very small plutocratic section, they are well assimilated. Divisions are always being triggered, just as Gove has sent Clarke, late ACC Met i/c counter-terrorism, to Birmingham to inquire into ‘islamic extremism’ in the schools there.

  278. Resurrection and Israeli Restrictions: Easter in Jerusalem

    Occupied East Jerusalem is the center of Palestinian celebrations, whether Easter or Ramadan. Freedom of religion and freedom of movement are basic human rights enshrined in international law. However, since 1967, successive Israeli governments have developed a number of policies aimed at directly and indirectly force the people from their land.

    For billions of Christians worldwide, the holy week of Easter is an opportunity to celebrate, pray and remember Jerusalem. Easter is supposed to be a time of hope and joy. But for hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Christians, the first Christian community, the reality today is one of oppression and discrimination. Of these Christians, who are the centuries-old inhabitants of this land, only a tiny minority are able to celebrate in Jerusalem.

    Please find our latest fact sheet in the following link.
    http://www.nad-plo.org/userfiles/file/fact%20sheets/FACTSHEET_Easter_2014.pdf

    For More Information About Palestinian Christian Preparations for Easter, please contact:

    · Fr. Jamal Khader – Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Jerusalem) – 0599 762 220

    · Fr. Ibrahim Shomali – Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Bethlehem Area) – 0598 903 785

    · Fr. Firas Aridah – Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Ramallah Area) – 0599 325 957

    · Fr. Johnny Abu Khalil – Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Nablus and northern West Bank) – 0597 420 450

    · Yusef Daher – Jerusalem Inter Church Center: 050 554 51 79.

    Have a Happy Easter!

    By e-mail from the Palestinian Ambassador to the UK.

  279. Resident Dissident

    18 Apr, 2014 - 9:51 am

    “But for hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Christians, the first Christian community, the reality today is one of oppression and discrimination.”

    Of course not of all the oppression and discrimination is carried out by the Isreali authorities is it Mary?

  280. Question is why is the very undiplomatic Dipolmat Kerry, so keen to scaremonger & demonise using an obvious hoax registration story;

    “Novosti Donbassa speculated that the men involved were provocateurs who “tried to provoke a conflict, then to blame the attack on separatists.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.585897

  281. Did D Millipede engineer this appointment for E Millipede?

    Ed Miliband signs up top Obama adviser David Axelrod for UK election
    US president’s right-hand man, who masterminded back-to-back election wins, to sharpen Labour party focus on inequality
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/17/ed-miliband-david-axelrod-adviser-2015-election

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Axelrod

  282. ‘Herbie vaunts Nasser and De Gaulle, and then when I point to their singular lack of success’

    Habba- apropos De Gaulle, so this is your definition of ‘singular lack of success eh ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960s_in_France

    Who in your view were the most ‘successful’ leaders of their countries in the second half of the last century, and how do their achievements compare with those of De Gaulle ?

    Answers on a postcard please to-

    Mr Brennan
    Langley VA
    Zip Code 666

  283. As it is in the UK, so it is in Australia.

    Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs and Macquarie Capital appointed for Medibank Private float
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/deutsche-bank-goldman-sachs-and-macquarie-capital-appointed-for-medibank-private-float-20140417-36urw.html

    Macquairie collared Thames Water.

    http://www.macquarie.co.uk/mgl/uk

  284. The rape of Libya contd

    Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) will seek to have a $1 billion lawsuit by the Libyan Investment Authority thrown out before trial.

    The bank will ask a London judge to decide whether the case has a realistic chance of success and issue a so-called summary judgment, according to court documents released this week. Libya’s sovereign wealth fund says Goldman made about $350 million selling investments that turned out to be worthless.

    The LIA said in a statement it “considers this application to be misconceived and looks forward to full and proper determination of all issues by the English court.”

    /..

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/goldman-sachs-to-seek-early-dismissal-of-libya-wealth-fund-suit.html

    Yet GS attempt to wriggle out. They did the same thing to Greece.

    I hope a non compliant judge hears the case.

    Yet the Libyans continue to trust the vultures with £11billion of their assets. Amazing.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/libya-wealth-fund-to-entrust-11-billion-to-fund-managers.html

    What a swamp of greed and deceit GS, SG and the others operate.

  285. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    Fred
    17 Apr, 2014 – 8:35 am

    @A Node
    “Only you could take an article that puts Putin at the top of a list of world leaders by wealth and decide it says he isn’t.”

    Fred, don’t believe everything you read just because you want to believe it.

    They tried it with Fidel Castro:

    In 2005, American business and financial magazine Forbes listed Castro among the world’s richest people, with an estimated net worth of $550 million.

    The estimates claimed that the Cuban leader’s personal wealth was nearly double that of Britain’s Queen Elizabeth II, despite evidence from diplomats and businessmen that the Cuban leader’s personal life was notably austere.

    Forbes later increased the estimates to $900 million, adding rumors of large cash stashes in Switzerland.

    The magazine offered no proof at all of this information.

    Of course it was all entirely bogus – the bunk methodology they used was based on the lie that Fidel Castro owns everything in the entire country of Cuba. Even in their article they admitted their “estimate” was “more art than science” — or in other words, bullshit.

    http://amte.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/is-fidel-castro-one-of-the-richest-men-in-the-world/

    And they tried it with Hugo Chaves:

    Analysts say Leftist leader had ‘amassed private fortune of $2 billion’ – Dailymail.co.uk

    http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/15278/did-hugo-chavez-have-a-net-worth-of-2-billion-dollars-at-the-time-of-his-death

    That too was bullshit.

  286. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 3:45 pm

    ESLO
    17 Apr, 2014 – 12:55 pm

    “Sod international law – its the Russian Federation Council that counts.”

    UN Security Council and the military coalition in Libya acted in contravention of international law in its use of force against Libya

    The war in Afghanistan was illegal under international law

    The war in Iraq was illegal under international law

    The annexation by Israel of the Golan Heights was illegal under international law as are all the settlements and outposts in the West Bank

    The Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara was illegal under international law

    My Lai Massacre was a war crime under international law

    I could go on…

  287. @Doug, don’t forget also the illegal NATO attack on Serbia;

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/04/a-15-year-murder-spree/

  288. “Doug Scorgie:

    “They tried it with Fidel Castro …. bullshit.
    ….
    And they tried it with Hugo Chaves …. that too was bullshit.”

    …. and they tried it with Gaddafi …..

    “Reporting from Washington — Moammar Kadafi secretly salted away more than $200 billion in bank accounts, real estate and corporate investments around the world before he was killed, about $30,000 for every Libyan citizen and double the amount that Western governments previously had suspected, according to senior Libyan officials.”
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/21/world/la-fg-kadafi-money-20111022

    …. more bullshit – grudgingly debunked by, surprisingly, Forbes:

    “As such, while agencies of Gadhafi’s regime administered the funds in question, the vast majority of those assets were never owned directly by Gadhafi or members of his family. Just as governments from Australia to South Korea maintain sovereign wealth funds, so too did Libya under Gadhafi, established for the purpose of diversifying the profits flowing from Libya’s state-controlled oil producers.”
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/edwindurgy/2011/10/25/did-moammar-gadhafi-die-the-richest-man-in-the-world/

  289. @Macky re Kerry.

    I honestly thought he was referring to the neo-fashs in Kiev. Now I’ve read this article in The Guardian…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/antisemitic-donetsk-peoples-republic-ukraine-hoax

    I understand your outrage.

    The one thing that was putting people – including Jews – off the Kiev Junta was the fact that they had (have) raging Anti-Semitics among their number. This is a lie, but it will surely confuse.

    I heard an incredibly sneaky news report on radio 5 earlier today. Two factual pieces presented in rapid succession. These were unrelated, but put one after the other to make it look as if Putin was behaving unacceptably again. Do they really think their listeners are that stupid?

    I think they (whoever “they” are) are trying to discredit the Eastern Ukranians the way they discredited the Serbs re Serbia/Kosovo back in 1999. We know what happened next… and it was shameful that Barry George was stitched up. Those were dark days.

  290. “Fred, don’t believe everything you read just because you want to believe it.”

    Look Doug I couldn’t care less. I’m not the fanatical one either way. I saw it, it was relevant, so I posted it.

    Might I suggest you don’t not believe things because you want to not believe them.

  291. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 6:13 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    17 Apr, 2014 – 6:31 pm

    “…assertion frequently made by MARY and other ISRAEL DENIERS…”

    Firstly Habbabkuk, what is an Israel denier? The term doesn’t make sense.

    Secondly, William Hague’s statement is the “official” position of the UK and he has to say this as Israel’s actions are illegal under international law.

    You wouldn’t expect him to congratulate the Israeli government would you?

    (you Parus major)

  292. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 6:31 pm

    Resident Dissident
    17 Apr, 2014 – 8:21 pm

    “Masha Gessen’s book provides plenty of evidence regarding his personal financial wealth…”

    “Plenty of evidence! Please enlighten us with some extracts ResDis.

    By the way:
    Her 2012 book The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin is a political biography of Vladimir Putin, whom she describes as a dictator

    She might be a bit biased against Putin don’t you think?

  293. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 6:40 pm

    Resident Dissident
    17 Apr, 2014 – 8:32 pm

    “Those who believe this, will also believe everything that Vlad says…”

    No one on this blog is stupid enough to believe that.

  294. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 7:45 pm

    Macky
    18 Apr, 2014 – 10:01 am

    “Question is why is the very undiplomatic Dipolmat Kerry, so keen to scaremonger & demonise using an obvious hoax registration story…”

    I agree Macky, a pretty obvious false flag.

  295. doug scorgie

    18 Apr, 2014 - 7:46 pm

    Fred
    18 Apr, 2014 – 6:08 pm

    “Fred, don’t believe everything you read just because you want to believe it.”

    “Look Doug I couldn’t care less. I’m not the fanatical one either way. I saw it, it was relevant, so I posted it.”

    You posted it Fred because you believed it without question.

    The word pillock springs to mind.

  296. “You posted it Fred because you believed it without question.”

    Didn’t see any reason not to. Still don’t.

    The word pillock springs to mind.

    Fuck off retard.

  297. Hague was warning British nationals not to go to Syria because it is dangerous! He was the one advocating war on Syria and sending in British nationals to put their boots on the ground.

    This followed a rant against Assad by the father of the teenager from Brighton who has been killed. His son is a martyr. More of that nonsense.

    British Teen Killed In Syria ‘No Danger’ To UK
    The family of Abdullah Deghayes, who died fighting alongside his brother in Syria, say the 18-year-old is a martyr.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1244929/british-teen-killed-in-syria-no-danger-to-uk

  298. “more bullshit – grudgingly debunked by, surprisingly, Forbes:”

    What do Forbes say about Putin then?

    http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/politician/president/vladimir-putin-net-worth/

  299. Sorry, that link doesn’t link to Forbs. Don’t know why it came top of a google search for “Putin wealth Forbs”.

  300. America Hands Off Eastern Ukraine
    http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/4/18/303444/default/v1/cegrab-
    20140418-172147-629-1-778×437.jpg

    Despite threats of “concrete action”, pro-Russian protesters in the eastern cities of Donetsk and Slavyansk have dug into their occupied civic buildings.

  301. “BLiar is in Spain”

    Local Twitter user says he’s staying at José María Aznar’s place in Benahavis:

    http://www.mettaestates.com/news/uncategorized/tony-blair-in-benahavis-marbella/

    Aznar, his father and grandfather were supporters of Franco’s fascists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Aznar

    Funny the way these fascists are on the rise all over Europe, with the blessing, connivance, encouragement and support of Western leaders.

    What can it all mean.

    Merkel needs to get her finger out and pivot away from the Atlanticists, and towards Eurasia, before they destroy the place. In which case of course, that choice will no longer be available.

    Here Putin outlines the choices, in front of an audience of neocons and non-alligned:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VokyM3YFo3Q

    For those who don’t like complicated political stuff, you can catch glimpses of his $70 billion dollar, solid gold, diamond encrusted, Patek Phillipe.

  302. Sofia Kibo Noh

    18 Apr, 2014 - 9:21 pm

    Is there anyone in the US executive who can walk down thr street and chew gum at the same time.?

    How many times do they have to try to fix countries by stiring conflicts, arming bloodthirsty fanatics then blowing up lots of stuff before they come to see that it doesn’t work?

    Let’s fix Iraq. Oops we broke it!

    Afghanistan needs our help. Oh no. That one broke too!

    We’ll fix Libya now. Shit! It broke again!

    We’ll fix Syria now. Oh. Fancy that! I wonder why it’s broken?

    Ah here’s Ukraine. Looks like it needs fixing…

  303. Remember Aznar in the Azores Herbie with BLiar, Bush and the repellent Barroso in March 2003? Being signed up for the Iraq war.

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bush,_Barroso,_Blair,_Aznar_at_Azores.jpg

    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%ADo_de_las_Azores

    What’s the Spanish for ‘birds of a feather, stick together’?

  304. Mary; “Hague was warning British nationals not to go to Syria because it is dangerous!”

    He’s obviously not trying too hard;

    http://www.novinite.com/articles/159919/Two+Thirds+of+Rebel+Fighters+In+Syria+Are+European+Citizens

  305. Just to get a flavor of Axelrod Mary @ 18 Apr, 2014 – 11:26 am and interpret that pretentious sideways grin, he wrote this last September:

    After Iraq, folks are justifiably weary and leery. But this isn’t Iraq. In plain sight, Assad’s committed mass murder with hideous weapons. No response would be a green light to Assad, Iran, Hezbollah and others that the U.S. and world will look the other way. Grave mistake. A targeted strike on their delivery systems is right, just and proportionate. Failure to act would be another tragic legacy of Iraq war.

    Axelrod weaves the oratory with overwhelming notes of hope and change, with soaring flights of rhetoric that are a continuum without the specifics of intention.

    Lurking within his recent NuLab post is a game plan, a contrivance to strengthen Anglo-American relations at community level, improve British grass-roots relations with Israel and prepare for a harsh relentless confrontation with Russia.

    Interestingly DA’s mother, Mrs Axelrod’s literary skills where used to prepare Izzy Stones’ account of travelling with the Haganah in his 1946 book ‘Underground to Palestine’ which describes the plight of Eastern European Jews trying to get to Israel.

    http://labourlist.org/2014/04/obama-veteran-david-axelrod-joins-labour-campaign-team/

  306. Thanks Mark. I will pass that info on.

  307. This follows on from the fiasco of the NHS Care Data flog off. Now HMRC. Outrageous.

    HMRC to sell taxpayers’ financial data
    • Firms could buy ‘anonymised’ financial details
    • Plan ‘borderline insane’ according to senior Tory MP

    Rowena Mason, political correspondent
    The Guardian, Friday 18 April 2014 19.04 BST

    The new legislation would allow HMRC to release anonymised tax data to third parties including companies, researchers and public bodies where there is a public benefit. Photograph: Michael Kemp/Alamy

    The personal financial data of millions of taxpayers could be sold to private firms under laws being drawn up by HM Revenue & Customs in a move branded “dangerous” by tax professionals and “borderline insane” by a senior Conservative MP.

    Despite fears that it could jeopardise the principle of taxpayer confidentiality, the legislation would allow HMRC to release anonymised tax data to third parties including companies, researchers and public bodies where there is a public benefit. According to HMRC documents, officials are examining “charging options”.

    /..

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/18/hmrc-to-sell-taxpayers-data

  308. CIA torture architect breaks silence to defend ‘enhanced interrogation’

    • James Mitchell ‘highly skeptical’ of Senate report on CIA torture
    • ‘It was not illegal based on the law at the time’
    • Mitchell said to have waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
    • Interview: ‘I’m just a guy who got asked to do something for his country’
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/cia-torture-architect-enhanced-interrogation

    ‘In an uncompromising and wide-ranging interview with the Guardian,
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/james-mitchell-cia-torture-interview
    his first public remarks since he was linked to the program in 2007, James Mitchell was dismissive of a Senate intelligence committee report on CIA torture in which he features, and which is currently at the heart of an intense row between legislators and the agency.

    The committee’s report found that the interrogation techniques devised by Mitchell, a retired air force psychologist, were far more brutal than disclosed at the time, and did not yield useful intelligence. These included waterboarding, stress positions, sleep deprivation for days at a time, confinement in a box and being slammed into walls.’

  309. @Herbie: Looks like the 1930s all over again. Hitler’s expansionist policies weren’t exactly criticised by European & US heads of state, and of course they turned a blind eye to atrocities like Guernica. US didn’t seem to bother too much about invasion of Poland.

    There is a difference this time, however. People have a voice too… and they are breaking down language barriers.

  310. The ever present stain on the World’s conscience;

    http://news.yahoo.com/cut-off-world-gazans-consumed-poverty-104515777.html

    Perhaps some future generations will look back in disbelieving horror, at this decades long toleration of, & sly acquiescence in, the inhumanity inflicted upon the Palestinian people.

  311. @Mary

    Why are we not surprised about profiting from personal data. It’s logical next step beyond reality TV. There are so many outrageous things being done to our once decent society.

    This will carry on until the people stop them Labour=Conservative=Libdem
    voting for any of these is just condoning it.

    Not sure whether UKIP have turned into a wildcard, but the greens look an increasingly good bet for the Euro elections.

  312. @Macky Perhaps future generations won’t have the freedom to even know about it.

  313. “Why are we not surprised about profiting from personal data.”

    As you say it’s logical, more efficient and more profitable to commodify every part of the animal:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13670184

    What’s satire. It’s got animals in it.

    Love this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBOi8nb5B6Q

  314. Mary @12.25pm
    Thank you for the links which I will read later

    This is my first post at Craig Murray’s blog, which I have followed now for a few years.

    I am fascinated by the recent revelations by Australian ex foreign minister Bob Carr, who was on the Board of Macquarie Bank when it bought Sydney Airport.

    Mr Carr was also Premier of NSW, which he ditched without warning, citing ‘family reasons’.

    While his latest revelations, especially the influence of the Israeli lobby on Australian politicians have me intrigued, I now feel more courageous about disseminating articles and comments to the latest NSW Premier, who has openly stated his intention to closely scrutinise ‘donations and gifts and lobbyists’.

    For those who don’t yet know, Premier of NSW Brian O’Farrell fell on his sword the day of Kate and Will’s arrival in Oz, due not only to his failure to declare a $3000 bottle of Grange Hermitage plonk, (gifted by someone who was after a favour re Water Holdings) but then vehemently denying such a thing to ICAC: until his hand-written Thank YOu note was presented as evidence.

    I have always hoped and prayed that Australia being ‘young and free’, we might learn from the mistakes and lessons of others.
    But over the past few years, once I recovered from SHOCK, I have come to accept that the PTB want it eternally their way-just like Frank Sinatra’s song.

  315. Sofia Kibo Noh

    19 Apr, 2014 - 12:53 am

    The Geneva agreement on Ukraine, translated,

    “…The talks in Geneva resulted in an agreement that is in favor of all that is good and opposed to all that is bad. That’s the basic gist of it; but what does that mean? Let’s translate this memorandum from the language of high diplomacy into the language of the Ukrainian crisis.

    Kiev’s government representative was invited to participate in his role as a potted plant—because there is nothing to discuss with him. On this all the participants were in complete agreement. That is, there is no government in Kiev, in the sense of an entity that exercises sovereign authority over the territory of Ukraine. This is understood equally well in Moscow, in Brussels and even in Washington. Thus, the actual talks were between USA+EU and Russia.

    Russia’s position is that Kiev doesn’t have a government, it has a God-only-knows-what. It makes no difference what they are called or who they are. They have no power and they control nothing. They do not control the economy, or energy, or the army, or the police, or even their supporters who are running around waving machine guns.

    The position of USA+EU: “That’s not true! There’s a perfectly nice government in Kiev, we made it ourselves, and we hold discussions and even sign agreements with them.”

    In view of the difference between these two positions, further discussion is pointless. Therefore, it is necessary to run an experiment and to establish a simple fact: are the dramatis personae in Kiev a government, or aren’t they?

    The authorities in Kiev have to prove themselves. To do that, they have to disarm and reign in their freaky supporters, grant amnesty to their opponents, and begin to exercise control over the army and the police. If they prove that they are in control, then it will possible to move to the next phase in resolving the crisis…”

    From, http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-geneva-agreement-on-ukraine.html#more

  316. I’ve avoided this until now but…

    Now that we are supposed to believe things are calming down – I thought it was time to finally add a Ukraine thread

    https://squonk.tk/blog/2014/04/19/ukraine-russia-the-west-and-what-comes-next/

    What comes next?

  317. Pepe Escobar goes behind the headlines and the spin. Some truths are told.

    On Nazis, Jews & Ukraine ‘de-escalation’

    April 18, 2014
    There are many potentially worrying signs in the ‘de-escalation’ process in theory agreed by the US, Russia, EU and Ukraine this Thursday in Geneva.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38265.htm

  318. Sofia Kibo Noh

    19 Apr, 2014 - 9:13 am

    Fresh from their famous Afghanistan project the US administration is kindly helping Ukraine in its fight against corruption and repatriation of stolen assets according to National Security Council spokesperson Caitlin Hayden. To that end, the US has sent a group of experts from the Treasury Department and the FBI to Ukraine. Their role is to consult the Ukrainian government on how to conduct an investigation and collect evidence.

    It seems they’ve got off to a flying start. Ukrainiane gold treasures repatriated to the US and EU nuclear wastre on it’s way to Ukraine.

    https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/

  319. Good old BBC, you can always rely on them for some demonising propaganda; they have even managed to find a Jewish lady asserting the Russia is committing “a new kind of genocide” !

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27086345

  320. Public meeting in Norwich with Ian Sinclair speaking about the politics of the Eastern Daily Press

    Is the media biased?

    19:00 on Tuesday 29 April 2014

    Vauxhall Centre, Johnson Place, Vauxhall Street, Norwich

    Speakers: Ian Sinclair, Journalist and Ian Gibson, former Norwich MP

    Ian Sinclair has carried out research into the politics of the local press. His pamphlet ‘The politics of the EDP’ will be available at the meeting.

    Public Meeting All welcome

    http://www.norwichstopwar.org.uk/index.php?title=Norwich_Stop_the_War_Coalition#IS_THE_MEDIA_BIASED.3F_Tue_29th_April.2C_7.00pm.2C_Vauxhall_Centre

    ~~~~~

    One for you there Nevermind?

    Reminder – Craig stood for election in 2009 in Ian Gibson’s former seat of Norwich North, now occupied by the white mark on a white wall Chloe Smith. The local press blanked Craig like the BBC.
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/06/i_am_standing_i/
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/07/bbc_prioritises/

    Poor old Craig. He’s been shafted so many times its a wonder he’s still staying strong.

  321. What was the point of this little exercise apart from showing off her nice legs?

    Humanizing a killing machine?
    Publicity for Boeing who make the Super Hornet?
    Promotion of the military industrial complex?

    William and Kate visit air force base in Queensland
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27086364

    I seem to remember he’s been seen in a cockpit on this tour too.

    What a lot of nonsense but good PR for her dress designers and the makers of royal baby clothes. The babe is being used like a trophy and a reminder to the Aussies that there are now three kings in waiting for them and us!

  322. Sofia Kibo Noh

    19 Apr, 2014 - 10:34 am

    Mary. 9 01am

    Thanks for the Pepe Escobar link.

    Time for the lands west of the Urals to wise up to Uncle Sam’s games. When it comes to patience and strategy I’d put my money on the guys who play chess on the street.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhzN4VTCcAA4ycQ.jpg

  323. Sofia Kibo Noh

    19 Apr, 2014 - 10:47 am

    Doesn’t basic topography doom the notion of Ukraine and the EU as part of a sustainable US empire?

    http://map-of-europe.us/topo-map.htm

    Any thoughts?

  324. Ffred
    18 Apr, 2014 – 8:22 pm

    “more bullshit – grudgingly debunked by, surprisingly, Forbes:”
    “What do Forbes say about Putin then?”

    Fred, you’re in denial open your eyes.

    There’s non so blind as those who will not see.

  325. The BBC are still reporting this hoax as if it were true.

    “Posters demand Ukraine Jews ‘pay new tax or leave’”

    1 hour ago
    Posters and leaflets have appeared in Donetsk, Eastern Ukrainian, demanding Jews register, pay a new tax or leave, because of ‘their support for the Kiev government’.

    “The leaflets were signed by the pro-Russian group People’s Republic of Donetsk, but it says they are fake and designed to discredit Moscow’s supporters.”

    “The BBC has obtained CCTV footage that shows how leaflets were distributed. Around 15,000 Jews live in the city.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27086345

  326. Not with a US ring of missiles pointing at Eurasia Sofia. They need the Russian supplies of gas and then there’s the oil under the Arctic Sea. I grew up under the threat of nuclear war and will probably end my days in just the same way.

    http://rt.com/op-edge/washington-russian-roulette-missile-defense-831/

    Prof Chossudovsky on Global Research has probably got more on this.

    I like the cartoon of the bear incidentally. I hope Kerry and Obama appreciate that when an animal is threatened and cornered, it will attack.

  327. YouKnowMyName

    19 Apr, 2014 - 12:10 pm

    for those who have missed it, here’s a MediaLens blog post today about a Professor of economics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, referring to the German TV analysis of the euroMaidan shootings, quoting from Prez Carter & Singapore PM Lee…. he even mentions a famous NSA mathematician – who sings about Atomic War!

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1397897000.html

  328. America has unique access to Britain’s Trident arming computers Mary – National security obviates confirmation that a preemptive plan to strike Russian even exists.

    Mark Golding – Children Of Conflict
    17 Apr, 2014 – 1:10 am

    ‘Ban the Bomb’ seems to be in revival – Now where is my dad’s (bless him) “Aldermaston to London” banner?

  329. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 12:56 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““…assertion frequently made by MARY and other ISRAEL DENIERS…”

    Firstly Habbabkuk, what is an Israel denier? The term doesn’t make sense.”
    ____________________

    It makes perfect sense to anyone who’s been following the threads over the past few weeks. An Israel denier – on this blog, at least – is someone who says that the State of Israel has no right to exist. In other words, you, Mary and a couple of others whose names thankfully escape me for the moment.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Secondly, William Hague’s statement is the “official” position of the UK and he has to say this as Israel’s actions are illegal under international law.

    You wouldn’t expect him to congratulate the Israeli government would you?”
    _________________

    Well, of course it’s the official position of the UK govt, for whom the Foreign Secretary speaks. He doesn’t “have” to say it, actually, he could just say nothing. The point was that sundry Eminences accuse the UK govt of bias towards the Israelis and of remaining silent in the face of Israeli violations of international law; Hague’s statement gives the lie to that claim. I should have thought that you’d be pleased he made it.

  330. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 12:57 pm

    Nevermind is another Israel denier. Bit unfortunate, that.

  331. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:00 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““Masha Gessen’s book provides plenty of evidence regarding his personal financial wealth…”

    “Plenty of evidence! Please enlighten us with some extracts ResDis.”
    _______________________

    I’ve told you before, Scorgie – stop being such a skinflint and go out to buy a book occasionally rather than asking others to read them for you. Or visit your local library. Support the book trade and your local lending library!

    (cue for rant about branch library closures…:) )

  332. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:04 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““Look Doug I couldn’t care less. I’m not the fanatical one either way. I saw it, it was relevant, so I posted it.”

    You posted it Fred because you believed it without question.”
    _______________________

    It might also be, of course, that Fred read it, thought about it, weighed it against other readings and sources and then came to the conclusion that it was correct and believable.

    I recommend such an approach, Doug – it might just make your own musings rather more credible.

  333. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:06 pm

    Mary

    “Hague was warning British nationals not to go to Syria because it is dangerous! He was the one advocating war on Syria and sending in British nationals to put their boots on the ground.”
    _______________________

    Two weighty charges. Credible links and sources for both, in full, please.

  334. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:10 pm

    Mary

    “BLiar is in Spain.

    http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2014/04/18/blair-family-spotted-taking-costa-del-sol-break/
    ______________________

    Thank you for that fascinating piece of information, Mary.

    Are you against holidays in general, or just foreign holidays, or just holidays for politicians (I seem to remember you snarking about a Cameron holiday abroad) or just holidays for the Blair family?

    Or, of course, any combination of the above.

  335. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:18 pm

    From Mark “Wait” Golding

    “Interestingly DA’s mother, Mrs Axelrod’s literary skills where used to prepare Izzy Stones’ account of travelling with the Haganah in his 1946 book ‘Underground to Palestine’ which describes the plight of Eastern European Jews trying to get to Israel.”

    to which Mary, all a-quiver, replies

    “Thanks Mark. I will pass that info on.”
    ________________________

    Oh my God, not another Wikipedia cut and paste from Mary, this time about David Axelrod’s Jewish origins?

    PS – no need to inform Stormfront, Mary, their readers are probably already aware.

  336. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    Mary thunders

    “Despite fears that it could jeopardise the principle of taxpayer confidentiality, the legislation would allow HMRC to release anonymised tax data to third parties including…”
    __________________

    Just for her information, in Sweden every citizen’s income tax payments are a matter of PUBLIC record. I should have thought that she, and other Eminences, would be in favour of such a system on the UK?

  337. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:30 pm

    Mary

    “I like the cartoon of the bear incidentally. I hope Kerry and Obama appreciate that when an animal is threatened and cornered, it will attack.”
    ______________________

    Well, actually, bears will also attack when they’re hungry.

    Is Russia hungry?

  338. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:34 pm

    Awaiting comment from Mary about “nine in a row”, followed by her signature “tr…s”.

    Pls don’t disappoint!

  339. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 1:39 pm

    Hey, A Node

    I think the following, from the previous thread, must have escaped your attention:

    “Libya’s method of governance was direct democracy.

    Direct democracy is a form of democracy in which people decide policy initiatives directly, as opposed to a representative democracy in which people vote for representatives who then decide policy initiatives. …”
    _________________

    Interesting. I should like to learn more from the horse’s mouth. So could you perhaps list a few of the policy initiatives which were decided by the people directly? Just a handful would do, together with back-up from reliable sources.
    Thanks.”
    _______________

    Any chance of an answer on this thread? Come on now, don’t be shy!

  340. “Fred, you’re in denial open your eyes.”

    Open my eyes to what?

    I see loads of evidence Putin is loaded, reputable web sites, while Forbes won’t actually put a figure on it they have articles about his billion dollar houses, the yachts the fleet of private jets.

    Even the wikileaks cables speak of Putin’s immense wealth and how he hides it through a company in Switzerland.

    All I’ve seen from you is attempts to discredit people.

    You have to come up with more than just accusing people of being in denial to refute real evidence.

  341. Habbabkuk 12-56 pm:

    Hague will have called his superiors in Tel Aviv before making any statement of condemnation towards Israeli policies. They have to make it look like criticism even if they never mention sanctioning the Israel regime for it’s continued human rights crimes and illegal expansions. Mr Hague is very quick to promote sanctions with regards other countries though…Syria and Russia being recent examples.
    Are you trying to create the offence of Israel denial to go along with holocaust denial? If you include people who object to land theft, military occupation, deprivation of water and electric, systematic abuse of the native inhabitants, you can add my name to your list of ‘Israel deniers’.
    The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians wasn’t a by-product of a natural movement of people simply trying to flee Nazi crimes. It was deliberate and being planned well before Jews became the target of Hitler.
    The Israeli claim that they will be pushed into the sea can be dismissed very easily by looking at 1948 map of the region compared to a recent one.

  342. “The BBC are still reporting this hoax as if it were true.”

    I looked at the BBC article.

    They say what happened and say that the People’s Republic of Donetsk say it is an attempt to discredit them.

    There seems overwhelming evidence it happened and I’m quite prepared to believe it was an attempt to discredit them.

    So where is the hoax?

  343. If you want to go to sleep, try counting H’s posts in a row….in latin

    Unus Duo Tres Quattuor Quinque Sex Septem Octo Novem Decem undecim…..

    zzzzzzzzzz!

    Alternatively try counting sheep http://i3.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article4324104.ece/alternates/s615/sheep.jpg

  344. @Andy
    “Are you trying to create the offence of Israel denial to go along with holocaust denial?”

    Show, hide or minimise comments by any user.

    Don’t waste this Easter. Try Habbabreak

  345. @Mary

    Alternatively, try Habbabreak.

    Show, hide or minimise.

  346. Israel Denier Habbakuk ??

    Seen you using this a few times now.
    Instructions from above ?
    Gies a break !!
    Israel is a f****n blott on the planet , a failed state and belligerent to boot…
    Ye canny deny it exists.Unfortunately

  347. “Hague will have called his superiors in Tel Aviv before making any statement of condemnation towards Israeli policies. They have to make it look like criticism even if they never mention sanctioning the Israel regime for it’s continued human rights crimes and illegal expansions. Mr Hague is very quick to promote sanctions with regards other countries though…Syria and Russia being recent examples.”

    The British Government has been making their position on the occupied territories known for some time now.

    The UK has a clear position on Israeli settlements: The West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Golan Heights are territories which have been occupied by Israel since 1967. Settlements are illegal under international law, constitute an obstacle to peace and threaten to make a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict impossible. We will not recognise any changes to the pre-1967 borders, including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the parties.

    There are therefore clear risks related to economic and financial activities in the settlements, and we do not encourage or offer support to such activity. Financial transactions, investments, purchases, procurements as well as other economic activities (including in services like tourism) in Israeli settlements or benefiting Israeli settlements, entail legal and economic risks stemming from the fact that the Israeli settlements, according to international law, are built on occupied land and are not recognised as a legitimate part of Israel’s territory. This may result in disputed titles to the land, water, mineral or other natural resources which might be the subject of purchase or investment.

    EU citizens and businesses should also be aware of the potential reputational implications of getting involved in economic and financial activities in settlements, as well as possible abuses of the rights of individuals. Those contemplating any economic or financial involvement in settlements should seek appropriate legal advice.

    We understand the concerns of people who do not wish to purchase goods exported from Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. It was in order to enable consumers to make a more fully informed decision concerning the products they buy that, in December 2009, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) introduced voluntary guidelines to enable produce from Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories to be specifically labelled as such. See Defra’s technical advice on the labelling of produce grown in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

    Since 1 February 2005, products produced in Israeli settlements are not entitled to benefit from preferential tariff treatment under the EU-Israel Association. On 3 August 2012, the European Commission published a revised Notice to Importers (see OJ C 232 page 5) concerning imports from Israel into the Union, including a revised list of non-eligible locations.

  348. Fred

    The British government position doesn’t equate to sanctions. The statement you provided just the mentions the risks and consequences. It’s almost as if the settlements are a separate entity to the Israeli government. They aren’t. The settlements don’t just appear, the infrastructure and private (for Israelis only) roads have to be built first. The Israeli government propose, fund and protect them, therefore are 100% responsible. Sanctions should be put in place that restrict all Israel’s businesses and trade.
    Crippling sanctions were put on Iran to force them to cease trying to create nuclear energy. Syrian rebels were encouraged and given none-lethal supplies (and probably covert military help too)by Hague and he openly encouraged them to remove Assad. Russia too were threatened with sanctions by Hague. The Israel policy gives out a vague warning that implies an investor might lose money on any investments and does nothing to change Israeli attitudes to Palestine and its people.

  349. @Andy

    The British government can’t impose sanctions, it just doesn’t work like that, they don’t work unless everybody does it. We don’t provide anything they can’t buy elsewhere or buy anything they can’t sell elsewhere.

  350. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 6:37 pm

    Andy

    Give it up, matey. You got owned by Fred and now you’re trying to divert to the question of sanctions – where Fred has again dealt with you rather well.

    PS – are you sure your computer doesn’t contain any parts either made in Israel or which contain Israeli intellectual property input? Just teasin’!

  351. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Apr, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    DoNNYDarKo

    “Israel is a f****n blott on the planet , a failed state and belligerent to boot…”
    ___________________

    I think you wrote Israel by mistake, were you meaning to write “the late, unlamented USSR” together with the past tense?

  352. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the UK or its co conspirators to level sanctions against Israel.

    They’ll do little more than pay lip service to the narrowest interpretation of international law.

    BDS from civil society is the way to go.

    It already has the Israelis and their western toadies squealing. That means it’s working.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/zionists-traction-community.html

  353. “Sanctions should be put in place that restrict all Israel’s businesses and trade.”

    One in six NHS prescriptions come from Israeli pharmaceutical companies, so that could be seen as an opportunity for martyrdom for you nutty BDSers.

  354. “BDS from civil society is the way to go. It already has the Israelis and their western toadies squealing. That means it’s working.”

    Hardly, Herbie, though you clearly get off on the idea. Most people just buy stuff and couldn’t give a toss where it comes from.

  355. doug scorgie

    19 Apr, 2014 - 7:30 pm

    Mary
    19 Apr, 2014 – 9:45 am

    “What was the point of this little exercise apart from showing off her nice legs?”

    Yes she has nice legs but, legs apart, what else does she have?

  356. What is much more intriguing is the support offered by individuals here for Israel’s ongoing criminality.

    Why would any individual support that?

    Curious, eh.

  357. Nobody has supported Israel’s abuses against the Palestinians, Douglas. Not wishing to be involved with a boycott of everything originating from Israel by a bunch of far-left Jew obsessives does not equate to supporting Israel’s criminality. When you do the same for Arab countries I might take some notice. Until then you’ll remain a hypocrite. Trade with Israel, trade with Iran, I say.

  358. [Above post meant for Herbie, not Douglas.]

  359. “Yes she has nice legs but, legs apart, what else does she have?”

    Very good, Douglas.

  360. “BDS from civil society is the way to go.

    It already has the Israelis and their western toadies squealing.

    You missed the “M” off the end, they enjoy it.

  361. “Most people just buy stuff and couldn’t give a toss where it comes from.”

    Really.

    You’ve been asleep then during the past 30 odd years of mass designer branding and marketing.

    I’ll help you just a little bit.

    Tony Blair, from bambi darling to toxic war criminal.

    Luckily, Bibi hasn’t been asleep and has a clue what it all means:

    “”[Netanyahu's] extended comments on BDS took up the last five or six minutes of his speech,” wrote Weiss. “By taking on BDS so directly and insistently, Netanyahu has elevated the movement to new heights of importance, and will force American media to discuss the movement’s goals openly.”"

    https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/03/05

  362. doug scorgie

    19 Apr, 2014 - 7:50 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    19 Apr, 2014 – 12:56 pm

    [an Israel denier]“…is someone who says that the State of Israel has no right to exist.”

    You missed out those magic words again Habbakuk namely…as a Jewish state!!!

    Funny how you never remember those words isn’t it?

    “He [Hague] doesn’t “have” to say it, actually, he could just say nothing.”

    You are, of course, feigning naivety there Habbakuk, he has to comment as foreign secretary; he cannot remain silent on major issues like this.

    The two state “solution” is dead and never really had life.

    You and the other Zionists around the globe, want a one state solution but not for all its citizens only for Jews.

    Why can’t you be honest about that?

  363. Resident Dissident

    19 Apr, 2014 - 8:59 pm

    Hands up those who believe Vlad when he says “Our intelligence efforts are strictly regulated by our law… We don’t have a mass system of such interception and – according with our law –it cannot exist.” in response to rigorous questioning by Philip Snowden (that is me being ironic Doug Scorgie)

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/edward-snowden-defends-decision-question-vladimir-putin-on-surveillance

    Of course these sources have a rather different picture to paint.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/21/net-us-russia-internet-idUSBRE99K0M920131021

    http://siliconangle.com/blog/2013/07/15/russia-accelerates-its-own-internet-spying-thanks-to-snowden/

  364. Resident Dissident

    19 Apr, 2014 - 9:05 pm

    Doug Scorgie

    As Habba says borrow or buy Masha Gessen’s book – I’ve lent my copy to a friend so I cannot provide quotes but she is pretty detailed about Putin’s involvement in several commodity fro food deals when he was the corrupt Sobchak’s deputy in Petersburg and on how he has used and promoted his Petersburg circle as fronts for his “investment”

    You can also find Masha Gessen talking about her book here

    http://blip.tv/slowtv/the-man-without-a-face-masha-gessen-on-vladimir-putin-6304239

    She also has her own blog at the New York Times.

    Yes she is bias against Putin – but so are many of us who have examined what he has done in detail.

  365. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 12:05 am

    Scorgie

    “[an Israel denier]“…is someone who says that the State of Israel has no right to exist.”

    You missed out those magic words again Habbakuk namely…as a Jewish state!!!

    Funny how you never remember those words isn’t it?”
    _________________

    I’m glad it amuses you, Doug. It’s also funny that you don’t seem to remember that Israel had already defined itself as a Jewish state (cf its Basic Law of 19990 (or 1992, can’t remember), which I have already drawn your attention to on numerous occasions.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ““He [Hague] doesn’t “have” to say it, actually, he could just say nothing.”

    You are, of course, feigning naivety there Habbakuk, he has to comment as foreign secretary; he cannot remain silent on major issues like this.”

    __________________________

    Well, it’s apparently a major issue and Hague has commented on it. For the rest, I refer you to Fred’s post at 16h31 (above).
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “The two state “solution” is dead and never really had life.

    You and the other Zionists around the globe, want a one state solution but not for all its citizens only for Jews.”
    ____________

    I am for whichever of those two solutions which brings peace to the region. You, on the other hand, seem to be afraid of any solution which would bring peace; this is because you would prefer there to be no peace. If for no other reason than if there were peace, you would no longer be able to post about one of your hobby horses and you would have to find someone other than Jews to spew hate against.

  366. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 12:07 am

    Anyway, something much more important than Doug “Final Solution” Scorgie.

    *********************

    XRISTOS ANESTI EK NEKRON !! A happy and joyous Easter to all believers !!

  367. Tonight: The Beeb’s Lyce Doucet telling us how Christians in Syria are being killed.

    Who the FUCK do you think is doing this, Lyce? And where the FUCK do you think they got the weapons and money and training to do it?

    From the people who sell us oil, that’s where. And from those who want the Golan Heights and whatever piece of South Lebanon they can grab.

    They come in from Jordan, where there is a HUGE US presence now, and from NATO member Turkey.

    The heart-eating crazies are being helped by us. But I’m sure you know that fine well, Lyce.

    Stay together, Syria. The rats are getting tired.

  368. Of course ‘Life is beautiful’ is a state of the mind, even the subconscious mind because one accepts that life must finally collapse for new life to begin; equally like detonated, collapsing planets forming stars that eventually form new planets.

    Without that crash anxiety, dread, nervousness, suffering and wasted energy over the unavoidable, one can float at random on Craig’s blog enjoying adding another wiggle, another travesty in the melee of thought and intention.

    It is of course ‘all in the mind’ and quite undemanding to sail by with words that have no real meaning being just musical sounds that become quite boring very quickly. Imagine saying “applepie” “applepie” “applepie” continuously; quite delightful as a musical soundbyte yet intensely mundane and boring eventually.

    Reminds me of the moth that flew into the flame of a candle. The moth specie survives and for all I can tell suffers no anxiety or fear of being burned alive…

  369. And המשיח קם! באמת קם!‎ to all our readers.

    ~~~~

    Agent Cameron again displays complete lack of judgement. He reappointed Tony Caplin to head the quango that provides funding for public works to the tune of £60 billion. Caplin has now resigned following a revelation that he is bankrupt. This fact was kept secret.
    Caplin worked for Agent Cameron’s father and is also a friend of Gideon. Could the Cons run the proverbial whelk stall?

    PM hired bankrupt crony to run £60billion quango: Tycoon put in charge of vast Treasury budget by his Tory friends is sacked after MoS probe
    •Businessman Tony Caplin put in charge of Public Works Loans Board

    •Is Treasury body behind £60bn worth of loans for infrastructure projects
    •But Caplin was declared bankrupt in 2012 for not paying his taxes
    •Anyone in public body must inform responsible Minister of their bankrupcy
    •PM claimed he had no idea the man has been declared bankrupt
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608597/PM-hired-bankrupt-crony-run-60billion-quango-Tycoon-charge-vast-Treasury-budget-Tory-friends-sacked-MoS-probe.html

    No relation to Cherie’s friend Carole Caplin we trust.

  370. Doug asked me what Kate has.

    A delightful baby.
    A husband and in-laws with German ancestry.
    A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.
    A pushy sister and a drippy brother.
    An uncle in-law who sells arms.
    Two luxurious homes, at least.
    A large wardrobe.
    Lots of wedding invitations from Hooray Henrys and Henriettas.
    Nice hair.

    I think the correct answer is a brand, just like her husband and the Beckhams.

    Kate Middleton and Prince William Establish Private Companies to Protect Royal Brand
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/kate-middleton-prince-william-establish-private-companies-protect-royal-brand-1432796

  371. Well said Mike above. We are hearing a lot this Eastertide on the plight of Christians in the Middle East. You are spot on.

    Today, Welby will apparently reiterate his thoughts on the plight of the poor and oppressed in this country, as will Cardinal Nicholls. Yet the CoE has not divested from Wonga with its revoltingly high rates of interest and penalties.

    Church holds on to Wonga shares
    The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, says he is powerless to force the Church’s investment arm, to offload investment in Wonga, the payday loan company
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10776514/Church-holds-on-to-Wonga-shares.html

    ‘I’m not the Pope’. LOL

  372. Resident Dissident

    20 Apr, 2014 - 7:37 am

    “A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    You really cannot stop yourself.

  373. Truths RD.

  374. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 8:39 am

    Mary

    “A manipulative mother…”
    ___________

    Maybe – but does that say anything about her daughter? Why visit the (possible) sins of the parents onto their children?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “…with Jewish ancestry.”

    _____________

    Your point?

    *************************

    Xristos anesti ek nekron

  375. Resident Dissident

    20 Apr, 2014 - 8:55 am

    “The truth is rarely pure and never simple.”

    I think Oscar must have had Mary (or is it Lady Dorking) in mind.

  376. ‘I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.’
    Abraham Lincoln

    ‘In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.’
    George Orwell

    ‘I’m for truth, no matter who tells it. I’m for justice, no matter who it’s for or against.’
    Malcolm X

  377. Easter in Occupied Palestine….

    Note that the Dutch UN representative ‘showed a serious problem of judgment’ in going to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

    UN envoy and Israel in Easter ritual access row
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27090580

    and the thugs used tear gar and sound grenades in al-Aqsa.

    Israeli forces attack Palestinian worshippers in al-Aqsa
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/20/359330/israeli-forces-attack-palestinians/

  378. Fred

    The US has only recently been threatening unilateral sanctions on Russia and has a history of using them against other countries.
    Any country can impose sanctions on any other country. Although most sanctions are now international multilateral sanctions,(obviously the more effective option) unilateral sanctions can still be applied to achieve political objectives amongst countries with close tries. The United Kingdoms relationship with Israel is in this category.
    So instead of a pathetic warning about investors losing money, the UK could show it’s displeasure at the catalogue of humanitarian crimes committed by Israel in a much stronger way.
    ‘The governments position’ is the next best thing to doing nothing.

    Habbabkuk

    I wasn’t diverting anything and yes I’ve no doubt my computer has something designed or manufactured in or by Israel but it’s kept to a minimum, no Intel processor for me! Furthermore, ZoneAlarm isn’t installed for obvious reasons.

    Just teasing!

  379. In two ‘democracies’, one across the Atlantic and the other, the only democracy in the ME.

    ‘Margaret Sullivan, The New York Times’ public editor, has written a thoughtful and important piece – http://nyti.ms/1eHgUhg – criticizing the way the newspaper complied with an Israeli-imposed gag order on the case of Majd Kayyal.

    But it leaves some important questions unanswered about the Times’ apparent eagerness to let Israeli censors set its news agenda.’

    /..

    The New York Times agrees to be gagged by Israel
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/new-york-times-agrees-be-gagged-israel

  380. Resident Dissident

    20 Apr, 2014 - 11:36 am

    Lady Dorking

    I somehow doubt that Abraham Lincoln , George Orwell and Malcolm X would have felt Kate Middleton’s parentage was a fundamental truth requiring further exposure.

  381. I think RD needs one of those sat nav thingies. Wrong town. Wrong county. LOL.

    Lady BRACKNELL if he is referring to the Importance of Being Earnest.

  382. Bluntly, everything is shit. Read any newspaper, and it’s almost invariably bad news. More war, more privatisations, more corruption, more expenses fraud, more astonishing banker bonuses, more paedophiles, more of everything that is truly awful.

    You see, this is what happens when what is, rather lazily, termed ‘the left’ is systematically undermined, infiltrated and all but destroyed over a period of decades. One may not like all that ‘the left’ espouses, but they are, or were, a bulkwark against the every-increasing pile of neoliberal shit I have to wade through every time I read a newspaper. All the horrible-ness is just what the ultra hard-right want, and seeing as nobody can stop them, that’s what they’ll get. Until people start taking to the streets, of course. Which may be never.

    And, apropos of nothing, did I just see Cameron in the news again for giving a cushy job to one of his many bent mates? I swear Cameron is the most protected politician since that guy in The Omen. It’s literally astonishing what he gets away with. He should have been sacked over about four things by now, but there he is, all angry and red faced, being smarmy as ever. It’s just plain weird.

  383. I had the unfortunate pleasure of listening to Mr Spencer of Jihad Watch on RT’s ‘Worlds Apart’:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/why-jihad-watch

    It appeared to me that Mr Spencer might better spend his energies in researching and extricating the truth buried by deception within British and American foreign policy. It seems to me that is where ‘Jihad’ or march or crusade using proxy warriors breaks into ordinary workaday, vanilla consciousness.

    Mr Spencer observes that Gaza and it’s inhabitants are blessed with luxury, comfort, leisure and an abundance of well stocked supermarkets and department stores. Such perception can only be formed by conjecture and a need to vilify the everyday lives of Muslims where ‘Ummah’ is simple the unity of mankind and not battles between nations.

  384. “Bluntly, everything is shit.”

    Cheer up, pal. Or do us a favour and fuck off to your nearest socialist utopia.

    Cheers!

  385. mark golding 20 Apr, 2014 – 1:29 am

    Or perhaps an irritating but ultimately pitiable scenario ….

    ….. a moth flying at a light bulb, repeatedly blundering head-first into something it cannot comprehend, attracted to the light but unable to reach it, ecstatic in its futile task.

  386. @Fred, “any country can impose sanctions on any other country”

    mais non. Chapters VI and VII of the UN Charter are written to leave states with two options: pacific resolution of disputes, or referral to the UNSC. Article 41 reserves the middle ground of economic pressure for the UNSC.

    Unilateral US sanctions are illegal.

  387. doug scorgie

    20 Apr, 2014 - 2:33 pm

    Fred
    19 Apr, 2014 – 3:05 pm

    “I see loads of evidence Putin is loaded, reputable web sites…”

    What “loads of evidence” and which “reputable websites” Fred?

    “You have to come up with more than just accusing people of being in denial to refute real evidence.”

    Sow the “real evidence” then Fred.

  388. doug scorgie

    20 Apr, 2014 - 2:43 pm

    Fred
    19 Apr, 2014 – 6:14 pm

    “The British government can’t impose sanctions, it just doesn’t work like that, they don’t work unless everybody does it.”

    Britain could make representations to the EU to bring sanctions on Israel, no Fred?

  389. “the very worst post ever written”…”another one for the downstairs loo”…”an opportunity for martyrdom for you nutty BDSers”…”do us a favour and fuck off to your nearest socialist utopia”

    Don’t waste your time this Easter. Habbabreak.

  390. Resident Dissident

    20 Apr, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    Spud

    Your reading of Article 41 is not correct – it doesn’t say anything about what States may do when the dispute has referred the dispute to the UNSC and the UNSC has decided to do nothing because of the exercise of the veto.

  391. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 3:05 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Fred
    19 Apr, 2014 – 6:14 pm

    “The British government can’t impose sanctions, it just doesn’t work like that, they don’t work unless everybody does it.”

    Britain could make representations to the EU to bring sanctions on Israel, no Fred?”
    ___________________

    Because, as any fule kno, such representations are usually made – at least at a first stage – dans les coulisses, I can’t of course prove that the UK HAS made such representations, but equally, you can’t prove it HASN’T, Doug.

    You do seem to assume that it hasn’t though. What is the basis for that assumption of yours?

    ************************

    Xristos anesti ek nekron!

  392. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Afrend

    You still haven’t told us the handle you used to / perhaps still post under, despite having told us you’ve been following this blog for a long time.

    An particular reasons for this blog’s great benefactor (that’s you) to remain so coy? Are you one of those awful sock-puppets so roundly condemned by sundry Excellences? :)

  393. “Bluntly, everything is shit.”

    No shit.

  394. technicolour

    20 Apr, 2014 - 4:47 pm

    “A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    I’m so ashamed of what this blog has become. I’m done.

  395. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    20 Apr, 2014 - 7:09 pm

    Technicolour

    ““A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    I’m so ashamed of what this blog has become. I’m done.”
    ______________________

    And you’ll have noticed that that post – and many others like it – did NOT come from Habbabkuk.

    Habbabkuk has persistently OPPOSED that sort of stuff since coming onto this blog.

    Would you like to seize this opportunity to apologize for having tried to slam me in the past and for having expressed misguided criticism of my posts?

    It’s not too late!

    ********************

    Xristos anesti ek nekron!

  396. @Andy

    America has the political clout to impose sanctions, they can make a lot of other countries impose sanctions as well, but they won’t, Israel is their ally.

    Yes Britain could impose sanctions on their own, if they wanted to damage the economy, risk America retaliating and have the rest of the world laughing at them. Wouldn’t bother Israel much if they did.

  397. @Spud

    ‘@Fred, “any country can impose sanctions on any other country”’

    I didn’t say that, Andy said that, attribute it to him.

  398. “What “loads of evidence” and which “reputable websites” Fred?”

    I’ve posted two links and pointed out the contents of the Wikileaks cables so far.

    You’ve come up with Jack Shit.

  399. For those folks who would like to join in for a special online memorial for Michael C. Ruppert hosted by his good friend, Carolyn Baker, on Thursday, May 8th at 9PM EDT.

    IN MEMORIAM MICHAEL C. RUPPERT, February 3, 1951–April 13, 2014

    http://www.synchcast.net/#!gatheringformichael/c1x3m

    My own personal thanks to Michael for his enlightenment on ‘Guns and Butter’, which was aired on KPFA, one month after the tragic events of 9/11. Michael Ruppert was first to reveal the forbidden truth: speculative trade on airline stocks based on foreknowledge of the World Trade Center attacks.

  400. Ignoring the ire of Technicolour who found it necessary to reprint what I said which happens to be completely true, as did Habbabkuk, and Resident Dissident earlier on. Perhaps they see nothing strange or untoward in the facts.

    I came across this website for the Slynn Foundation today. It aims to assist young lawyers by offering training and support and lists the countries where it works. The list includes Ukraine and Iraq.
    http://www.slynn-foundation.org/?page=Home

    Funding-
    From the start the Government took a keen interest in the Foundation’s work with financial help being awarded by the British Association for Central and Eastern Europe (BACEE) and by the British Council. More recently, the Foundation has Government support through the the FCO’s Reuniting Europe Programme. Some of its programmes have recently been funded from EU sources (including the EU Ukrainian Business Council). The Foundation has also received a large measure of support from the legal profession, particularly from judges and practitioners who have volunteered their services in helping with seminars and other courses abroad. The interest of the senior judiciary in the Foundation’s work is demonstrated by the list of Patrons.

    In the past the Foundation has received funding for specific programmes from government bodies such as:
    •The Lord Chancellor’s Department
    •The Foreign and Commonwealth Office
    •The British Council
    •The British Association for Central and Eastern Europe
    •Curt Engelhorn European Foundation for the Advancement of Medicine.

    http://www.slynn-foundation.org/?page=Funding

    The name at the top of patrons is Cherie Booth. Falconer is also there. There is no irony in the fact that Ms Booth’s husband and his government including Falconer waged a war on Iraq which destroyed its institutions, including its legal system, killed many of its people and laid waste to the country. Now these legal worthies concern themselves with the replacement of the same lawyers who left the country or who were killed.

    ‘The physical elimination of academics, writers, teachers, intellectuals, scientists and professionals, especially physicians, engineers, lawyers, jurists and journalists was decisive in imposing ethno-religious rule under a colonial occupation. To establish long-term dominance and sustain ethno-religious client rulers, the entire pre-existing cultural edifice, which had sustained an independent secular nationalist state, was physically destroyed by the US and its Iraqi puppets.’
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-us-war-against-iraq-the-destruction-of-a-civilization/14870

  401. A weekend of what must be indiscriminate slaughter in Yemen by American drones.

    Dozens Of ‘Al Qaeda Militants’ Killed In Yemen
    Those targeted were reportedly among the “leading and dangerous” elements of al Qaeda and were of different nationalities.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1246105/dozens-of-al-qaeda-militants-killed-in-yemen

    CIA using Saudi base for drone assassinations in Yemen
    Disclosure comes as architect of programme, John Brennan, prepares for Senate confirmation hearing to become CIA director
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/06/cia-using-saudi-base-drone-yemen

    Brennan is busy. He has been to Kiev over the weekend.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-director-brennan-visited-kiev-in-ukraine-the-covert-war-has-begun/

    So much for Obama’s empty wishes for the holiday.

  402. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 12:20 am

    Mary

    “Ignoring the ire of Technicolour who found it necessary to reprint what I said which happens to be completely true, as did Habbabkuk, and Resident Dissident earlier on. Perhaps they see nothing strange or untoward in the facts.”
    ______________________

    1/. Unhealthy to ignore what we said about your post, Mary. Healthier (for you in particular) would be for you to reflect on WHY you choose to bring those facts to the attention of readers. What point were you trying to make and what was the relevance of your post to anything?

    2/. Personally, I see nothing strange or untoward (untoward??) in the fact that Kate Middleton’s mother may be, or is, manipulative and has Jewish roots. Many people are manipulative (including yourself, to judge by your posts) and many people have some Jewish roots. Why do you see those facts as strange and untoward?

    Have a little think about why you piss off people like Technicolour and Dreoilin.

  403. Thanks Mary; the Slynn Foundation fits nicely within the hierarchy of the British establishment being the judicial signalling post for the ears and eyes of the Privy Council operating within the mandate of Protectorate vs. Turks and Caicos islands, and also as a veiled ‘force majeure’ within the European Council; hence the pressure on the Council of EU for example, to relieve the CIA controlled MEK organisation of it’s terrorist label.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/world/middleeast/iranian-opposition-group-mek-wins-removal-from-us-terrorist-list.html?_r=0

    As Craig quite accurately writes, ‘the utter shame of our servile groveling judges’ accepting ambiguous even dubious arguments of breaching National Security to negate revealing the scope and horror of torture, can be traced back to Privy Council jurisdiction and the Judicial Committee.

    On good advice I have no doubt that Sir Robin Auld of the Slynn Foundation counsel fingered the Ukraine judiciary in 2012/13 as constitutional prep for the 2014 putsch, subsequent IMF default clauses and legal movement into the EU.

  404. @Res Diss. I’m always delighted to see people reading the supreme pact of the world order. There’s a huge amount of painstakingly-inculcated ignorance about it in the NATO satellites.

    However, close but no cigar re Article 41. Read the whole thing. Article 37 states that if pacific resolution of disputes should fail, the parties shall refer the problem to the UNSC. What if the UNSC chooses to do nothing? The resources of the state remain at the disposal of the UNSC. You stand by. Your sovereign rights are limited to self-defense, subject of course to the necessity and proportionality tests applied by the ICJ in Case Concerning Oil Platforms, Nicaragua v. United States of America, and other binding rulings.

    You sit on your thumb.

    But but but, you’re really, really, rarin’ to go? Then you have one (1) option. A 377 or ‘Uniting for Peace’ resolution in the UNGA. In practice, interventionist states are leery of 377 because the UNGA is kind of, well… democratic. You never know how it will turn out.

    You don’t have to like it, but there it is. Your head of state, war’s above his pay grade.

  405. BrianFujisan

    21 Apr, 2014 - 4:57 am

    Kseniya Simonova — winner of “Ukraine got Talent”… …Isle of Seil …..Ellenabeich…rules… SeaFari.. ( Adventures ) oot there…Coryvreckran…Yah

    Back from mega Adventures.

    … Bed n breakfast second to none… warm people….Run by expert sea / dive people…. And the wee dog Angus
    long hours driving..2 hours of loch side roads…a Police car almost killed us.. but for my ..GIVING LOTS OF ROOM… to the car in front..

  406. BrianFujisan

    21 Apr, 2014 - 5:12 am

  407. Resident Dissident

    21 Apr, 2014 - 8:13 am

    “The resources of the state remain at the disposal of the UNSC. You stand by.”

    Where does it say that?

  408. ““Bluntly, everything is shit.”

    Cheer up, pal. Or do us a favour and fuck off to your nearest socialist utopia.

    Cheers!”

    @ Anon

    What a genuinely weird retort. Sometimes the internet can be a baffling place. But, no, I’ll stay where I am, and post sometimes, if it’s ok. Ta.

    Anyway, as any fule know, there are no socialist utopia’s. If there were, the yanks would destroy them soon enough. Domino theory. Or something. Or perhaps Oligarchical Collectivism, as some writer once wrote, rather presciently.

  409. “Everything is shit”

    Depends on your perspective, of course. Not for those in power, and wielding that power, clearly. And especially if they think they have a deity with them…

    But it is shit for many because world war 2 was supposed to put an end to all that, and they see good people around them who have apparently lost the ability to think for themselves and make their voices heard. It is absolute shit for those who are the butt of the Daily Mail’s little campaigns, like the one suggesting that principles behind food banks are corrupt.

  410. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    20 Apr, 2014 – 3:05 pm

    “…I can’t of course prove that the UK HAS made such representations, but equally, you can’t prove it HASN’T, Doug.”

    Russell’s teapot!

  411. As far as I can tell, food banks serve the following purposes:

    - Good PR for supermarkets.
    - Good opportunity for wasters to spend their benefits on less important things.
    - Super huge opportunity for leftists to start handwringing about evil Tories/capitalists/cuts/bankers/scum etc.

    Note, nobody is actually facing starvation. The private purse stumps up for the food and the public purse covers the wide screen TV, Sky subscription, booze, fags, iPhone etc.

    The fact is that if you offered 5 million free food parcels, then 5 million would be taken, allowing leftist to claim that millions are dependent on food banks.

  412. Brendan

    “Everything is shit”

    Forgive me, but I do get a little sick and tired of seeing yet another middle class leftist twit putting down his country, which offers him every opportunity and which much of the world would happily give their back teeth to live in.

    “Anyway, as any fule know, there are no socialist utopia’s.”

    As any fule kno, there can be no socialist utopia. It’s going to be a long and hard journey for you, Brendan, but eventually you’ll get there.

  413. If only that were true, Anon. People are starving, both physically and emotionally. People are killing themselves because life is so bad for them. I’m sure the figures for suicides on the rail network would really shock you. So much for the big society.

    But you probably know all this anyway and are just being facetious…

  414. “A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    Mary, here’s the problem as I see it.

    Why not write: “A manipulative mother with size 6 feet”?

    Of course this would be ridiculous. What does shoe size have to do with anything else you are saying? Nothing. What does shoe size have to do with a person’s propensity to manipulate? Nothing. So why mention it? You wouldn’t. You didn’t.

    You did mention her jewishness as part of a wider criticism thus implying this in itself is a problem for you. You also directly associate jewishness and manipulation thus repeating an age old ugly stereotype.

    You behave no differently from a person who points out skin colour only when a black kid has half hinched a sweet from the corner shop.

    Quoting Malcolm X and Orwell in some half baked attempt at defending your racism is hilarious, pretentious delusion.

  415. Unless that is a different ‘Anon’, he/she has changed e-mail addresses/IPs.

    ___

    I read some of the scribbler Aaronovitch’s piece in the Times today. He admits to getting family and friends to put in good reviews on Amazon for his rubbish book Voodoo Histories to counter the one star reviews put on by the ‘conspiracy theorists’ as he calls anyone who disbelieves the output of the corporate media. He did of course promote BLiar and the war on Iraq.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/article4068308.ece

    In the same edition of the Murdoch rag, Melanie Phillips writes -

    Snowden’s only prize should be for treachery
    The fear of government blinds those on the left and right to the role that surveillance plays in thwarting our enemies
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/article4068302.ece

  416. Res diss, Good question! Read Chapter VI, VII and VIII again. Understandably, living in the NATO bloc, you feel there must be SOMEthing your state can do to punish its enemies. It’s a common mistake, easy to make in a culture of hermetic indoctrination.

    I suspect you are confusing sanctions with something else – reprisals, perhaps, or intervention, or countermeasures. Sanctions are multilateral, and under Charter Article 53, always subject to UNSC direction and supervision. Reprisals are prohibited by humanitarian law. Coercive intervention not under UNSC authority is illegal under the non-intervention principle, A/RES/36/103, which is affirmed by the ICJ as a “sanctified absolute rule of law.” Countermeasures are actions pursuant to Articles 22 and 49 through 53 of the draft articles on state responsibility for internationally wrongful acts. Countermeasures are strictly circumscribed to subordinate them to the UN Charter and peremptory norms of law, to fundamental human rights, and to applicable dispute settlement procedures.

    It’s easy once you get the hang of it!

  417. “People are starving, both physically and emotionally.”

    Yes, Peacewisher, it’s a positively Dickensian scene out there.

    “People are killing themselves because life is so bad for them. I’m sure the figures for suicides on the rail network would really shock you. So much for the big society.”

    People kill themselves for a variety of reasons. I’m not sure what your point is here considering that the UK suicide rate is about the same as it was before the evil, nasty, vicious Tory ‘cuts’.

  418. Did you spot Charles Crawford CMG in the list on Slynn Mark? Our ex ambassador to Poland, etc.

    ‘Returning to London in 1991 he worked in the FCO Department dealing with the Soviet Union as communist rule collapsed. He then spent three years in Moscow as Political Counsellor and then served three times as HM Ambassador: in Sarajevo (1996-1998); in Belgrade (2001-2003) and most recently in Poland (2003-2007).’

    The Slynn Foundation is a limited company and Crawford is one of the directors.
    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/03570705/THE-SLYNN-FOUNDATION/directors-shareholders

    ‘Lord Slynn Foundation: Belgrade
    Civilisation and its Enemies, Balkanic Eruptions

    9th March 2011
    Off I dash in the general direction of Belgrade, my first visit back there in quite a few years.

    I have not mentioned here a new role of mine, namely a member of the Board of trustees of The Lord Slynn of Hadley European Law Foundation.

    This is a group of utterly distinguished lawyers who join forces to help export best legal practice to countries who might need some support for law reforms. The Foundation was set up in 1998 on the initiative of British/Polish lawyer His Hon George Dobry CBE QC, and has been busy in many European countries since then in different ways. Latterly a lot is being done in Ukraine and Albania.’
    /..
    http://charlescrawford.biz/blog/lord-slynn-foundation-belgrade

  419. A health to Her Majesty! All the eights. Raise the flag. No not that blue one. The Royal Standard.

    On the same day, the Queen’s Awards to Industry are announced.

    Weapons company among Queen’s award winners
    ‘A weapons company that has developed an air-launched missile suitable for firing in urban environments, a food group which has encouraged the consumption of beetroot and a 3D animation games designer are among the diverse range of businesses to receive a Queen’s Award for Enterprise on Monday.

    Hertfordshire-based MDMA obtained an innovation award for converting the Brimstone anti-armour missile into a dual purpose weapon to be used by crews flying RAF Tornado jets.

    The extension gives the aircraft the capability to engage a “range of targets including snipers, mortar teams, improvised explosive devices and fast-moving manoeuvring vehicles. Pinpoint accuracy and low collateral damage make the weapons suitable for urban deployment,” said the citation.’
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/apr/21/queens-award-for-enterprise-winners

    How bloody lovely. P Andrew should sell a lot of them.

    Veolia are in the list too. Infamous for participating in the Israeli light railway system and their waste and water services.

    Why Target Veolia?
    Below are Veolia’s crimes in the OPT that make up the basis of many campaigns targeting this company. However, Veolia is also infamous for water privatization, mismanagement, and corruption, sparking campaigns around the world on these issues as well. Find out more on our Veolia’s Other Offenses page.
    http://globalexchange.org/economicactivism/veolia/why

    http://www.veoliawater.com/about/locations/israel.htm

  420. Anon 21 Apr, 2014 – 12:56 pm

    “Forgive me, but I do get a little sick and tired of seeing yet another middle class leftist twit putting down his country, which offers him every opportunity and which much of the world would happily give their back teeth to live in.”

    No, I do not forgive your assumption that as long as the standard of living is better, we should all rather be an oppressor than one of the oppressed.

  421. @Mary. Aaonovich did more than most to promote Blair’s wars and I’m sure he’d get his own slice. I was very disappointed to see Will Self getting pally with him, but I guess that once you become a media luvvy its “us” v “them” (the proles). One thing about Tony Benn, which became obvious in the days after he died, was that he would never be a luvvy.

  422. Resident Dissident

    21 Apr, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Article 53 is not about sovereign states but regional organisations. Sanctions can be unilateral or multilateral

    A/RES/36/103, which is affirmed by the ICJ as a “sanctified absolute rule of law.”

    Where – UN General Assembly resolutions are not usually considered to be legally binding?

    Who are you quoting?

    I was tempted to ignore the obvious sneering sarcasm of your first para – but it pretty obvious given your promotion of A/RES/36/103 that you support those regimes who place the sovereignty principle of the Charter over and above that of Article 3 namely “To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion;” – which I should of course remind you was one of the reasons why the United Nations was established in the first place. Whether you like it or not individual human rights are meant to take precedence over state sovereignty – the fact that in many cases they don’t is a sign that the UN is not working as it should and why it is in serious need of reform – something that those of us who really place human rights above national allegiances have recognised for a long time.

    But given you are such a fan of 36/103 I’m sure you will agree that Russia’s actions in Ukraine represent a clear and unequivocal breach of international law e.g

    (c) The duty of a State to refrain from armed
    intervention, subversion, military occupation or any other form
    of intervention and interference, overt or covert, directed at
    another State or group of States, or any act of military,
    political or economic interference in the internal affairs of
    another State, including acts of reprisal involving the use of
    force;

  423. More good questions! Remember, there are no stupid questions!

    The draft articles on state responsibility for internationally wrongful acts standardize the terminology. That’s where you learn that sanctions may not in fact be unilateral. The Charter itself says ‘measures,’ as you know.

    That quote about A/RES/36/103 comes from Nicaragua v. United States of America. With those words the ICJ explicitly made the resolution part of customary international law.

    I’m delighted that we agree that human rights take precedence over state sovereignty. They certainly do. In fact, state sovereignty is conditioned on compliance with human rights! And the UN certainly could do with some reform. I was ever so sad when the US torpedoed the Small Five’s clever UNSC reforms.

    You’ve got the Ukraine business all wrong, sad to say. Nothing in international law forbids a declaration of independence. And where is all this Russian coercion and force you’re exercised about? The Russians snatched Crimea back quite pacifically. That was quite a windfall these American dipshits have dropped into Russian hands! The Crimea but no Exclusion Zone – Spacibo!

  424. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 5:54 pm

    Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    20 Apr, 2014 – 3:05 pm

    “…I can’t of course prove that the UK HAS made such representations, but equally, you can’t prove it HASN’T, Doug.”

    Russell’s teapot!”
    _________________

    Well, it was you who suggested that the UK could/should make/have made such representations and so I think my reply was fair enough.

    Not too complicated for you, surely?

  425. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 6:20 pm

    Well worth repeating (from Phil, earlier today)

    ““A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    Mary, here’s the problem as I see it.

    Why not write: “A manipulative mother with size 6 feet”?

    Of course this would be ridiculous. What does shoe size have to do with anything else you are saying? Nothing. What does shoe size have to do with a person’s propensity to manipulate? Nothing. So why mention it? You wouldn’t. You didn’t.

    You did mention her jewishness as part of a wider criticism thus implying this in itself is a problem for you. You also directly associate jewishness and manipulation thus repeating an age old ugly stereotype.

    You behave no differently from a person who points out skin colour only when a black kid has half hinched a sweet from the corner shop.

    Quoting Malcolm X and Orwell in some half baked attempt at defending your racism is hilarious, pretentious delusion.”
    _______________

    And as a footnote : it is heartening to see that commenters other than those regularly called ‘trolls” have either woken up to Mary and her peculiar views or then, if they were already aware of them, are now speaking up.

    I’ve been pointing out this ugly aspect of Mary for as long as I’ve commented on this blog. What is interesting is how few people have also spoken up against it. Do they think it’s unimportant, or do they silently share Mary’s prejucide?

  426. Resident Dissident

    21 Apr, 2014 - 7:03 pm

    “That quote about A/RES/36/103 comes from Nicaragua v. United States of America.”

    It is from the separate opinion of a single judge – rather than the judgement of the court as a whole and even then it doesn’t refer back to 36/103

    http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=367&p1=3&p2=3&case=70&p3=5

    Please don’t lead us all on such wild goose chases in the future.

    I do not share your opinion about the balaclava clad Russian forces in the Crimea – oh and neither does Putin anymore

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/vladimir-putin-admits-russian-forces-helped-crimea-separatists-n82756

  427. Phil; “You behave no differently from a person who points out skin colour only when a black kid has half hinched a sweet from the corner shop”

    Absurd; pointing out that fellow members of a certain group may be inclined to act, or try to exert influence in a way that is beneficial to something to that group values, is not “racism”; it is no different to the Government asking prospective State employees, details of birth , ethnicity & religion of all grandparents, as I was required to provide when I applied years ago, for a low grade office job in a local DHSS; it is no different to the decades old Government policy, only broken very recently, of not appointing Jews as Ambassadors to Israel, etc. The obvious reason of course, being the risk of a possible conflict of interest.

    Mary has never expressed any racism towards anybody, especially towards Jews; she has never said that Jews are bad, or evil, or cannot be trusted etc; all those that have jumped on their ill thought out high moral ground to accuse Mary of engaging in racism, simply because of her habit of mentioning relevant factors that may explain or indicate a person’s possible leaning, are indulging in troll like smears, only difference being that the trolls know that their smears are indeed false.

  428. Oh dear. You’re new to this, aren’t you? The World Court doesn’t work like that corrupt pigsty of a supreme court at all. Well, stick with it, soon this will all be second nature! Meantime you can use (A/56/10) as a handy crib sheet. It synthesizes all the court bumf.

    I must say, you seem quite angry, and a bit fixated on Russia. Crimea’s actions are altogether legal, and they seem quite pleased with their double salaries and pensions. Do you know Kiev at all? It’s quite dismal. I’d jump at the chance to split, too.

  429. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 8:45 pm

    Macky

    “Mary has never expressed any racism towards anybody, especially towards Jews; ”
    ______________

    I, and apparently a growing number of others, disagree with you.

    Be that as it may, Macky, it’s your take that interests me. As you’re speaking up for Mary, perhaps you’d like to tell us why you think it was justified to refer to Kate Middleton’s mother’s Jewish ancestry and the point she was trying to make by so referring.

    Off you go!

  430. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 8:54 pm

    Resident Dissident

    ““That quote about A/RES/36/103 comes from Nicaragua v. United States of America.”

    It is from the separate opinion of a single judge – rather than the judgement of the court as a whole and even then it doesn’t refer back to 36/103

    http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=367&p1=3&p2=3&case=70&p3=5
    ____________________

    It’s an old Eminences’ trick, Resident Dissident. They quote or extract selectively from links which they are pretty sure few people will bother to look up and read in full.

    Misleading and dishonest, but hey, what’s that to an Eminence?

  431. I long had you pegged as a belligerent dullard Macky but, possibly because I normally scroll right past, I didn’t catch you as a jew hater. Yes I know Israel is horrid. I just don’t judge all jews of a similar nature because of it. Some of the most active anti-Israeli activists I know are jewish. They do things in the real world. I doubt you do anything except rant your endless shit on the internet. You are a joke you cowardly hypocrite.

    Cue a stream of your predictable long comments of self righteous bollocks. Your word count and anger betray your insecurity. Big yawn. I shall be scrolling past.

  432. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !,

    Unlikely as it sounds right now I engage with Mary and Macky because I hold value in their opinion.

    Make no mistake though. I consider you a worthless piece of self-important shit only good to ignore.

  433. Thank you for that reply Phil; totally devoid of any substance, containing nothing but irrationalities, smears, lies, etc; although it reveals nothing about me, it reveals rather a lot about you, & all of your own free volition.

    Only a fool or a knave would use the following playful quip to smear somebody as a racist; only a real racist would be fixated so much by only the Jewish reference, but not the German reference;

    “Doug asked me what Kate has.

    A delightful baby.
    A husband and in-laws with German ancestry.
    A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.
    A pushy sister and a drippy brother.
    An uncle in-law who sells arms.
    Two luxurious homes, at least.
    A large wardrobe.
    Lots of wedding invitations from Hooray Henrys and Henriettas.
    Nice hair.

    I think the correct answer is a brand, just like her husband and the Beckhams”

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/04/uk-moves-to-block-us-senate-report-to-protect-blair-straw-and-dearlove/comment-page-2/#comment-453267

  434. Mister Spued, my compliments! You seem to have a knack for getting ordinary people engaged in analytical questions of law and norms. No reason it should be exclusive to the toffs of Eton or Sherborne!

    One modest suggestion, if I may. Ordinary chaps steeped in middlebrow statist polemic and slogans can easily get wrapped around the axle. Here I see they’re stuck on the President’s concurring opinion on a unanimous judgment as somehow unrepresentative of the gist. Perhaps you hoped to spare them all the blah-blah-blah of

    “Expressions of an opinio juris of States regarding the existence of this principle are numerous. The Court notes that this principle, stated in its own jurisprudence, has been reflected in numerous declarations and resolutions adopted by international organizations and conferences in which the United States and Nicaragua have participated.”

    Zzzzz, to be sure. It’s a lot to swallow, if you’ve never gone to independent schools!

    The problem is, you need to boil it down for them. Quotes will just confuse them. They’ll see other quotes and they won’t know how they fit and then we’re back to Salford levels of discourse.

  435. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 11:12 pm

    Phil

    “I long had you pegged as a belligerent dullard Macky but, possibly because I normally scroll right past, I didn’t catch you as a jew hater.”

    followed by

    “I engage with Mary and Macky because I hold value in their opinion.”
    _____________________

    Slight contradiction there, regarding Macky?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I consider you {ie Habbabkuk} a worthless piece of self-important shit only good to ignore.”

    You’re entitled to your opinion, Phil, and I understand that saying anything positive about me would get you into trouble with the Eminences.

    But I am pleased that you’ve finally understood where Mary’s coming from regarding Jews! :)

  436. Tony Blunt is Siegheil Saadi and I claim my 50 roopay.

    [site admin: wrong]

  437. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Apr, 2014 - 11:24 pm

    Macky

    “Only a fool or a knave would use the following PLAYFUL QUIP to smear somebody as a racist;”
    ________________

    Good to see the old “I/he/she was ONLY JOKING…!” in circulation again.

    Are you really that stupid?

  438. “Slight contradiction there, regarding Macky?”

    Yup! But don’t forget that Phil regards himself as above everyone else. Previously he has announced that this blog and its contributors are beneath him, but sometimes he just can’t help himself.

  439. Why thank you Sir. Most people proceed through distinct stages as they free themselves from state indoctrination. You see it when someone undertakes world-standard education such as an IB or starts work in a multilateral milieu. It’s gratifying to see sparks of it here. Individuals go through a prolonged struggle to fit the official state enmities into the perspective of the wider world.

    Then at some point they see that peace is the law. They see the point of it: protecting humans from the overreaching power of states. For the first time they conceive of the state’s purposes as different than their own. They lose the football-spectator mentality and start to think about what they’ve been induced to root for.

    Give Resident P. Dissident time.

  440. BrianFujisan

    22 Apr, 2014 - 1:18 am

    Israel’s Mordechai Vanunu is as much a hero as US whistleblower Edward Snowden

    Ten years ago today, a man emerged from prison to be greeted by a crowd of his supporters embracing him with carnations and a crowd of his enemies drawing their fingers across their throats. He had served 18 years in prison, 11 of them in solitary confinement.

    The man was Mordechai Vanunu, the whistleblower who, in 1986, came to Britain to tell the Sunday Times the story of the then secret nuclear weapons facility at Dimona in Israel. Out alone in London and disillusioned with the length of time the story seemed to be taking to reach publication, he was lured by a woman from Mossad to Italy. There, he was kidnapped, drugged and smuggled out of the country to Israel, where he was convicted of espionage.

    On his release from prison, he was led to believe that he would soon be free to leave the country where he is vilified and regarded as a traitor. When I interviewed him in Jerusalem six months later, back in 2004, he was still hopeful that, having served his time, he would be able to start a new life abroad. It has turned out to be an empty hope. Last December, he failed in the high court of justice in his latest bid to be allowed to leave. Does Edward Snowden, as he adjusts to life in Moscow, wonder whether he will still be haunted and hunted by the US government for decades to come?

    http://stopwar.org.uk/videos/israel-s-mordechai-vanunu-is-as-much-a-hero-as-us-whistleblower-edward-snowden#.U1W0PlVdWqj

  441. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 8:36 am

    Anon

    “Yup! But don’t forget that Phil regards himself as above everyone else.”
    _______________

    Oh, OK. I hadn’t realised that or had forgotten it. Perhaps I haven’t been reading him with sufficient attention. Mea culpa!

  442. ” It is absolute shit for those who are the butt of the Daily Mail’s little campaigns, like the one suggesting that principles behind food banks are corrupt.”

    Not the Daily Mail this time, the Mail on Sunday. They are two entirely different entities.

  443. “Note, nobody is actually facing starvation. The private purse stumps up for the food and the public purse covers the wide screen TV, Sky subscription, booze, fags, iPhone etc.”

    You are wrong there, there are genuine needy in Britain, the safety net has been removed. The papers are full of stories about people with 12 kids getting a fortune off the state but nothing about the single person who lives alone. They survive on subsistence money, if they get an unexpected expense they have nothing. Many unemployed have severe mental health problems which the government refuses to acknowledge.

    Plus there is the incompetence of the DHSS staff, it can take months to process a claim. Once took me a fortnight to get somebody at the Inland Revenue to answer the phone, several times a day listening to recorded messages at premium call rates only to be told there was nobody available.

    Yes there are many who buck the system, they annoy me more than most because I compete with them for work but that doesn’t mean there aren’t genuine needy as well.

  444. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    22 Apr, 2014 - 12:07 pm

    Fred (09h50)

    Agree with that. There is no doubt that for some, buying sufficient food means foregoing parrt of another essential.

    Re the references to smartphones, flat screens and so on : part of the problem is surely that the definition of poverty (and especially the definition of relative poverty) in a “rich” society is difficult and in any event likely to be controversial.

  445. Anon, 12:31 pm:

    “…wide screen TV, Sky subscription, booze, fags, iPhone etc.”

    These are the comforts of the lonely, the “luxuries” of the alienated.

    Why object at all? Nearly all money spent on these goes straight back into the corporate system, and hardly any into either the long-term well-being and independence of the claimant (such as their education or buying or improving their home) or independent commercial concerns in their locality.

  446. On the hypocrisy of the Tories and the supposed compassionate views of Heir to Blair.

    David Cameron’s constituency office calls police on food bank campaigners Bishop of Oxford and Reverend Keith Hebden
    Door was shut in church leaders’ faces as David Cameron wrote for The Church Times on his Anglican faith

    Felicity Morse
    Tuesday 22 April 2014

    David Cameron’s constituency office has come under fire for calling the police on the Bishop of Oxford and Reverend Hebden as they attempted to present him with an open letter on food poverty.

    Their letter, part of the End Hunger Fast campaign, was signed by 42 Anglican bishops and more than 600 clerics and called on the three party leaders to work with the parliamentary inquiry into food poverty to implement its recommendations.

    However, despite David Cameron’s Witney office expecting their visit, they were barred from presenting the letter and instead greeted by three police officers. Around 40 people had walked to his office following a service, and while the congregation stood on the opposite side of the road, the Rt Revd John Pritchard and Rev Hebden went to deliver the letter on their own. The police “weren’t there very long” when they realised the situation, Reverend Keith Hebden told The Independent, saying that they could see Cameron’s office staff looking out the window as they were forced to abandon their visit.

    He added: “It is deeply ironic, to say the least, that on the same day David Cameron was writing in the Church Times talking about what a good Anglican he is, he was wasn’t able to receive his own bishop in his constituency office. I think this speaks volumes.

    “They were expecting us, we had phoned ahead. Most of my surprise was reserved for them not even opening the door. The letter was positive and addressed to all three party leaders, so it wasn’t political.”

    /..
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-constituency-office-calls-police-on-food-bank-campaigners-bishop-of-oxford-and-reverend-keith-hebden-9274303.html

  447. On the failure to care for fellow citizens with mental illness. NHS beds are closed and the private sector steps in.

    Lancashire Telegraph
    £5.7m spent on private treatment in Lancashire.

    Hundreds of mental health patients are being referred to private hospitals due to a shortage of NHS beds in Lancashire. The shock figures, which show Lancashire Care NHS Foundation Trust shelled out more than £5m to private hospitals in the last two years, came after the trust slashed its provision of inpatient beds by about a third. The data was obtained by the Lancashire Telegraph through Freedom of Information laws and raised serious concerns from health campaigners. There were 251 patients sent to private facilities in 2013/ 14, at a cost of £3.6m, which was up from 136 referrals the previous year (£2.1m), which represented an average spend of £15,000 per patient. All these referrals were due to a lack of available NHS beds. Russ McLean, chairman of the Pennine Lancashire Patient Voices Group, said: “These figures are staggering and I think there’s something sadly wrong here. We want this cash spent on NHS beds in the community and not going into the coffers of private companies.” The number of beds at facilities run by Lancashire Care, such as those at the Royal Blackburn and Burnley General hospitals, has dropped from 492 in 2011 to 318 last year, although there has also been a reduction in inpatient admissions over the same period, from 4,603 to 3,560. As reported last week, the trust is planning to further reduce its inpatient units, from eight to four, which could bring more bed closures. Julia Berry, Chorley Council’s lead member for health, said: “This is a nonsensical situation… Wards have been intentionally closed locally and yet they’re saying they don’t have the capacity. It’s outrageous that so much money has been spent on private beds.” Most of the spending on private hospitals went to The Priory Hospital in Preston (£2.6m last year), with about £700,000 paid to Cygnet Health Care Ltd.
    http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11161498.__5_7m_spent_on_private_treatment_in_Lancashire/

    In Burton, a whole mental health unit was closed in 2012 and now a promise for support for relatives to travel to other locations is being reneged upon.
    http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Call-for-answers-after-mental-health-travel-support-axed-20140422080000.htm

  448. Hunger is the real scandal

    April 21st 2014

    The Mail on Sunday plumbs new depths of sewer journalism in its attempts to smear food banks

    You’d think the Mail on Sunday would struggle to plumb new depths of gutter journalism, but yesterday’s attempt to “expose” Britain’s food banks as a soft touch for “fraudsters” to exploit was way down in the sewer.

    /..
    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-d7f7-Star-Comment-Hunger-is-the-real-scandal

  449. Resident Dissident

    22 Apr, 2014 - 9:00 pm

    . You see it when someone undertakes world-standard education such as an IB or starts work in a multilateral milieu.

    You are revealing more about your background than you think – given your defence of all things Putin my guess is you have New Russian and English Public School connections.

    For myself, lets just say my University wasn’t at all shoddy and I have had impeccable multinational connections for many many years – so just leave the condescending stuff out.

    Good to see that you are keen on protecting humans from the overreaching power of states, so needless to say you will join me in condemning the massive increases in FSB numbers and expenditure since Putin came to power. Will you not?

  450. Habbabkuk; “Good to see the old “I/he/she was ONLY JOKING…!” in circulation again. Are you really that stupid?”

    Rather, it’s obvious whose agenda driven perception failures, really does make them look very stupid.

  451. “A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    I don’t accuse people of ‘dog-whistling’. But when the whistle is a siren, you gotta call it like it is.

    Mary’s shameless excuse is to say that her statement was “true”. Which is a little bit like pointing out the African ancestry of criminals when it is true that we’re all ancestors of our ancient African forebears.

    Then Macky’s comical defence of the indefensible :

    1. “Absurd; pointing out that fellow members of a certain group may be inclined to act, or try to exert influence in a way that is beneficial to something to that group values, is not “racism ;..”

    You mean like, when someone points out that Muslims may be inclined to agitate, or try to exert influence in a way that advances an Islamist agenda? Like pushing for the introduction and expansion of Sharia in the UK?

    I might agree with you there except for the uncertainty you express with your limp use of the word “may”.

    2. “Mary has never expressed any racism towards anybody, especially towards Jews; ..”

    Hah! Haaaaaaa HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! Excellent..

    3.”.. she has never said that Jews are bad, or evil, or cannot be trusted etc; ..”

    You’re quite right, as far as I can recall. So how would you insinuate that Jews ARE bad/evil/untrustworthy without explicitly saying so? Oh, I know – “A manipulative mother with Jewish ancestry.”

    4.” .. all those that have jumped on their ill thought out high moral ground to accuse Mary of engaging in racism, simply because of her habit of mentioning relevant factors that may explain or indicate a person’s possible leaning, are indulging in troll like smears, only difference being that the trolls know that their smears are indeed false.”

    Note – “..may explain..”, “..possible leaning,..”

    We don’t all share your low standards of justification for slandering whole ethnic groups, Macky. Perhaps you and Mary can show some self restraint and not speculate on the evil of people until there is some compelling, supportive evidence. Otherwise it just comes off as a plain old “racist” canard.

    Oh, and saying “..troll like smears..” is itself a “troll-like smear”!

  452. “I long had you pegged as a belligerent dullard Macky but, possibly because I normally scroll right past, I didn’t catch you as a jew hater.”

    But then ..

    “Unlikely as it sounds right now I engage with Mary and Macky because .I hold value in their opinion[s].”

    Mary doesn’t have an opinion and she doesn’t engage. Never has.

    And since Macky is a belligerent dullard and a jew hater, I cannot see how anyone would therefore value his moronic opinions.

  453. Although it provides for an interesting thought experiment, explored once in Futurama, we will need to ancestors .. insert [descendants]

  454. Jemand; “I don’t accuse people of ‘dog-whistling’. But when the whistle is a siren, you gotta call it like it is”

    You mean that Mary’s whimsical direct response to Doug’s playful word-play of his “legs apart” comment, is not allowed to be considered as a light-hearted reply, but deadly serious instead? Such humour & perception failure may explain the rather bleak nature of most of your Posts, and may also suggest that perhaps you are not a barrel of fun to be around !

    “I might agree with you there except for the uncertainty you express with your limp use of the word “may”.”

    So you would have agreed with my “comical defence of the indefensible” if I had expressed it more strongly ?! You certainly can add irrationality & muddled thinking to your CV highlights !

    “We don’t all share your low standards of justification for slandering whole ethnic groups”

    The rich irony of being slandered by fabricated accusations of “slandering”, & on of all things, racism, by somebody who specializes in demonising 23% of the World’s population that are Muslims ! What’s German for “Chutzpah” ? ! :D

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