Freedom Cheaper than Iraq War

by craig on May 26, 2014 5:03 pm in Uncategorized

A particularly mendacious lie by Danny Alexander puts the institutional start-up costs of Scottish Independence at £1.5 billion.  That is a cool half billion pounds cheaper than Scotland’s share of the costs of the Iraq and Afghan wars, even on the Westminster government’s blatant under-estimate of the war costs.

So Scotland can afford criminal invasions killing hundreds of thousands to ‘bring freedom’, but cannot afford the smaller cost of its own freedom!!!

The £1.5 billion estimate is mendacious in two ways.  Firstly, it is a simple recycling of a Canadian lie at the time of the Quebec independence referendum, apportioning with no argument 1% of GDP to startup costs.

Secondly, as nearly all the money will be spent in Scotland it is not a loss at all, but actually an increase to GDP, as any but the most nutty neo-con would be forced to acknowledge.  And it would be the precursor of government money spent annually in Scotland rather than England for ever thereafter.

Thankfully Alexander won’t have a job much longer – and if he thinks a penny of Scottish public spending is going in future to support his huge arse and deceitful mouth, he is very wrong.

 

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  1. Here he is at his most masterful last night. NOT. To think he has had a big say in the grinding down of the people over the last four years.

    Watch Danny Alexander Confronted By Lib Dem Activist Over European Election Misery http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMJ1Ug2_5hU#t=64

    Why does he always make me think of that old feather cushion that needs ‘plumping up’ a bit?

  2. Given how the cost of the Scottish Parliament building went up from an estimated £10m – £40m to £414 million, £1.5 billion might be being hopefull.

    On the plus side, if you divide it by the same 300 odd years the Union has lasted, and assume the nation-state world order lasts that long…

  3. BrianFujisan

    26 May, 2014 - 6:16 pm

    Well said Craig… And Mary enjoyed you Para Re Salmond vs Dimblebore, as Craig also Points to above –

    ” Last night Alex Salmond told Dimbledore that there has been a bias for UKIP by the BBC in their reporting of the Scottish elections and that a complaint had gone in.”

    Dimblebore went a bit red and laughingly said, ‘Complaints to BBC Glasgow then Mr Salmond’ to which Salmond said ‘No. That’s the trouble. It is being controlled from London’. Dimblebore shuffled his papers and quickly moved on.”

    Some more on the Dirty tricks Mob…From Wings Over Scotland…

    ” Having spent the last few months pleading poverty and pitiful-underdog status, “Better Together” this week appeared to have suddenly remembered that £500,000 cheque it got ages ago from Tory oil tycoon (and friend of genocidal war criminals everywhere) Ian Taylor, and started spending some of it…

    ” 12-page colour inserts in newspapers like the Daily Record and Guardian don’t come cheap, and hundreds of thousands of Scots found themselves looking at a small booklet which didn’t identify its source until the very last page, and could have been taken by the unwary to have been a production by the newspapers themselves.

    (Especially given the little pale blue “sticker” on the front using what looks very much like the Guardian’s own typeface).

    But that was the least of the dishonesty…

    ” Even the Financial Times acknowledges that “an independent Scotland could expect to start with healthier state finances than the rest of the UK”, so why would there need to be more cuts when we’re both richer and spending less anyway?…

    ” “All the information in this document comes from impartial experts, economists and employers. “

    A barefaced lie. Very few sources are actually cited, and almost all of the ones that are are UK government bodies like the Scotland Office, ONS and OBR. Where there are quotes, they’re highly selective and/or wildly out of context.

    But we’ll get to those as we go along…

    Full piece @

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-lies-you-get/

  4. Je

    Re Scottish Parliament costs – remember New Labour were in power at the time. Probably more spent on backhanders than on building materials.

  5. I personally think Alexander is a particularly obnoxious twat.

  6. Resident Dissident

    26 May, 2014 - 6:20 pm

    So what will the institutional start-up costs of Scottish Independence be?

  7. Res Diss

    £821,427,538.99, obviously.

    But the point is, that whatever the precise figure it will be a welcome Keynesian stimulus. The money is not lost. In fact it will have a substantial multiplier effect.

  8. Je

    No true Scot would allow the cost to soar like that.

  9. “£821,427,538.99, obviously.”

    RD really likes his facts, unless he has to go looking for them.

  10. Be careful Craig or he’ll publish that figure as fact and cite you as the source.

  11. As you say, the money will stay in Scotland and create jobs, which in turn will create more jobs.

    I can’t wait. It’s the most exciting thing to happen in my lifetime.

    Danny Alexander, or, as I’m sure he’ll be called sometime after the next UK election “Lord Alexander” is as much to blame as Clegg is. He should resign.

  12. Western “freedom” and “democracy” is for export only. They don’t like to practice such nonsense in the western countries.

    Iraq, like Libya was an Arab example of socialism and prosperity.” Now, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan have become part of Stone Age – thanks to western greed and so-called “existential threat” to Israel. The next on line for regime change, are Syria, Iran, Pakistan and Somalia.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/05/18/libya-and-western-humanitarian-mess/

  13. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:53 pm

    “Secondly, as nearly all the money will be spent in Scotland it is not a loss at all, but actually an increase to GDP,”

    and

    “As you say, the money will stay in Scotland and create jobs, which in turn will create more jobs.”
    _______________________

    On that basis (increased GDP, more jobs), would you recommend that the UK govt should create lots of new institutions in the non-Scottish UK?

  14. It does not represent an increase in GDP it’s a diversion of funds which will not then be available for other projects such as schools and hospitals.

    How much of the money will remain in Scotland is open to debate, they had to hire foreign contractors to build the Edinburgh Tramway, another mismanged project that went way over budget.

  15. Resident Dissident

    26 May, 2014 - 8:44 pm

    Craig

    Digging holes and filling them up would be a Keynesian stimulus – it doesn’t mean that the cost shouldn’t be identified and compared with alternatives which may have better multipliers and outcomes – my guess is that a lot of the start up costs will end up in the pockets of Edinburgh lawyers and IT suppliers. Or will an independent Scotland be run on some alternative model?

  16. Resident Dissident

    26 May, 2014 - 8:54 pm

    As an aside I think Danny Alexander reached the peak of his abilities when he was in charge of PR for the Cairngorms but I’m afraid quoting a figure probably provided to him by a civil servant hardly constitutes a particularly mendacious lie. Another example of playing the man rather than the ball I’m afraid.

  17. Tag team is here.

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 12:07 am

    My congratulations to Original Troll Mary for not yet having inserted Israel/Palestine into this thread.

    Keep it up!

  19. As I said, tag team is in.

  20. Will [possible] Scottish independence one day be/come the antidote for the Broken Window Fallacy?

  21. doug scorgie

    27 May, 2014 - 8:24 am

  22. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 8:34 am

    Mr Scorgie

    Good mornng to you, nice to see you up and about. Since you have time to post about Danny Alexander you’ll no doubt have time to provide the various answers you own me from yesterday and the day before, won’t you Doug?

  23. doug scorgie

    27 May, 2014 - 8:37 am

  24. doug scorgie

    27 May, 2014 - 8:56 am

    Expect the US to interfere soon in the Yes/No debate.

    Undoubtedly on the side of the No campaign.

    “U.S. remains a wild card in Scottish independence vote”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/us-remains-a-wild-card-in-scottish-independence-vote/2014/04/12/6afb39f3-96d2-487a-ab4f-cde8de596424_story.html

  25. ‘Dysfunction in Nigeria’ thread is closed. For info:

    U.S. Trains African Commandos to Fight Terrorism

    WASHINGTON — United States Special Operations troops are forming elite counterterrorism units in four countries in North and West Africa that American officials say are pivotal in the widening war against Al Qaeda’s affiliates and associates on the continent, even as they acknowledge the difficulties of working with weak allies.

    The secretive program, financed in part with millions of dollars in classified Pentagon spending and carried out by trainers, including members of the Army’s Green Berets and Delta Force, was begun last year to instruct and equip hundreds of handpicked commandos in Libya, Niger, Mauritania and Mali.

    /..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/world/africa/us-trains-african-commandos-to-fight-terrorism.html?ref=world&_r=1

  26. ‘Unpleasant and nasty’. Pot. Kettle.

    UKIP ‘not the answer’ to 21st Century issues says Blair
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27585260

    Almost makes you wish you voted for UKIP.

  27. The treasury and Alexander have been guilty of gross incompetence.You can hear the lack of conviction in his voice.Simply a talking head for this coalition of minority parties.
    It has been a Schadenfreude to see Clegg et al squirming at their total failure.Small revenge for his reneging on tuition fees.Long may that be remembered.
    The lies about Scottish Independence are dropped like silent farts and cause an untold stink.
    When the lies are caught out and debunked,never an apology or a retraction from the MSM.The stink is allowed to linger.
    None of the (old) big 3 parties grasp that there is a growing revolt to the revolving doors and gravy train for the boys.There is deep resentment to the EU and the powers that they’ve got.The EEC had the peoples support.It’S a friggin no brainer,but no-one wants to go back there.
    The more centralised things get ,the more corrupt they get and the less people power there is.And that is the ultimate goal.To empower the people,because as has been shown in the latest elections,they are not competent to vote the way they should.
    Syriza is a breath of fresh air in Athens.We need more of it and less of the knee jerk to the right.

  28. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 9:51 am

    DoNNY Darko

    “Syriza is a breath of fresh air in Athens.”
    ________________

    This seems like one of the usual lazy platitudes (Craig said something similar).

    Here’s a challenge : expand on that, with particular reference to the practical impact Syriza has had on political and economic developments and on the political and economic landscape in Greece over the past year or so.

  29. He knows he’s had it. Clegg that is. As the song said, You can feel it in your fingers, you can feel it in your toes….’

    Before https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXJCp0cedFazcMHV2Q5YL-vWJAn-3l16S9c_PdY1y7_bo_U6nQjA

    After http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75108000/jpg/_75108785_75108329.jpg

  30. Came across this horror. You would think that the British Board of Deputies was a political party standing for election. Note the Israeli flag in the centre.

    A European Manifesto.
    http://www.bod.org.uk/content/EUManifesto.pdf

    A reference to it was included within:

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/why-boycotting-israel-is-so-important-and-necessary/

  31. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 10:22 am

    a lot of the start up costs will end up in the pockets of Edinburgh lawyers and IT suppliers.

    As long as they don’t outsource the work to G4S and Crapita, it can only be an improvement on UK government…

    Oh, and Price Waterhouse Cooper.

  32. “As the song said, You can feel it in your fingers, you can feel it in your toes….’”

    Beautifully expressed Mary :-)

  33. Banks lent £12.1bn last month in loans for mortgages. Up 50% on last year. When does the housing bubble burst?

  34. Mary have you read the Paul Craig Robert’s report on the Truthseeker? Also discussed on the Rebel of Oz.

    PCR seems to think that the future belongs to Russian, India and the East, which probably includes Australia, but only those Australians willing to ‘play the game’.

  35. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 11:27 am

    Expect the US to interfere soon in the Yes/No debate.

    Undoubtedly on the side of the No campaign.

    Hmm. If ‘Yes’ can get half the traction with Americans conscious of their Scottish roots that the IRA managed to do in the Boston MA area, I reckon that might be a dangerous prediction.

  36. Simply Speaking: “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”
    -Lord Acton

  37. I am laughing out very loudly here. They are laughing in our faces. Was P Charles checking up on his assets and investments?

    Business Live: Lagarde attacks inequality and calls for more integrity in capitalism
    Highlights of Lagarde’s speech start here

    Inequality has risen “to the top of the agenda”
    Lagarde cites Churchill, JFK, Aristotle and Wilde….
    Photos: Prince Charles and Lady Rothschild consider inclusive inequality

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/may/27/markets-unruffled-by-eu-elections-as-lloyds-announces-tsb-float-business-live

    Alderman Fiona Woolf, The Lord Mayor of London, Lady Lynn Forester De Rothschild, Chief Executive of E.L. Rothschild, Prince Charles, Christine Lagarde, Managing Director, International Monetary Fund.
    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/5/27/1401186200758/13e4d2f3-91bd-41cd-a691-d713dae057fd-460×307.jpeg

    They pretend they care about our predicament. Lady Rothschild says all the right things. Clinton is there apparently. Not BLiar? $30 trillion of investments are in the control of this crowd.

  38. This is a strong argument for anyone opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The “No” campaign will have to make the case for being “better together” in terms of prosperity more strongly if they are to win.

  39. Lazy platitude Habba ? No,
    Syriza is the canary in the coal mine.No one has been able to do anything yet in Greece because the Troika still pull the strings. Syntagma give the Police orders.
    I’m quite sure their army is still pretty right wing.
    Since the early 80′s Greece has been very left of centre with Pasok, but they capitulated under Papandreou. Before Greece entered the EEC a family could eat out 3 times a week at least.The EEC brought immediate benefits… the roads for a start were amazing.I suddenly did not need to spend 1 whole day visiting the aliens buro and health centre for my work permit.”Life was good”.
    As soon as the figures were fiddled to allow Greece into the Euro, life changed !
    Everybodies eyebrows raised when they were told Greece had met all the conditions.
    Sh**e !
    Syriza is a party independent of the old guard that “might” just change something when they get into power,or they could be the power broker in Constitution Sq.
    A breath of fresh air which Greece desperately needs.
    With power,they’ll default on debt and leave the Euro but not the EU.That’s what needs to happen,and that’s what I hope will happen.The other side of the coin is that Greece will slide toward Golden Dawn, and that would be malakias.

  40. Add to that the figure of 83& of all new car purchases are financed by one or other loan, Mary, on the never never, and you know why they work 60hour weeks to make ends meet.

    :-) babushka
    Simply Speaking: “The biggest feminist issue which has been swept down the plughole for centuries and which will have to be fought over sooner or later is male centred freemasonry in public services and the lack of equal decision making by them.”
    -citizen nevermind-

  41. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 May, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and Scots Independence, it’s all the same.

    http://m.thenation.com/article/179986-western-media-coverage-ukraine-crisis-distorted-soviet-propaganda

  42. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    27 May, 2014 - 4:11 pm

    Fascism on the march once again. Elections cut the path.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38616.htm

    “India: Billionaires, Hindu Fascists and IT “Savants”

    The election of Narendra Modi, leader of the BJP and long-time member of the Hindu fascist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) para-military organization was based on three essential components:

    (1) Multi-billion rupee funding from corporate India at home and abroad.

    (2) Thousands of upwardly mobile IT technocrats mounting a massive propaganda campaign.

    (3) Hundreds of thousands of RSS activists spreading the “Hindutva” racist doctrine among millions of villagers.

    The Modi regime promises his capitalist backers that he will “open India”– namely end the land reserves of the tribes, convert farmland to industrial parks, deregulate labor and environmental controls.

  43. ” As long as they don’t outsource the work to G4S and Crapita ”

    G4S, Crapita and that other supplier of PFI excellence Serco already have multi-billion pound contracts in Scotland. Despite the right royal cock-up at the Olympics G4S have been awarded a lucrative contract to supply stewards and security personnel for the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow later this year.

    I understand the MoD has cancelled all leave.

  44. doug scorgie

    27 May, 2014 - 4:50 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    27 May, 2014 – 8:34 am

    “…you’ll no doubt have time to provide the various answers you own me from yesterday and the day before, won’t you Doug?”

    Please repeat the questions Habbabkuk; I’m not going to waste my time looking back on your posts to find out which questions I haven’t (apparently) answered.

  45. “£821,427,538.99, obviously. But the point is, that whatever the precise figure it will be a welcome Keynesian stimulus. The money is not lost. In fact it will have a substantial multiplier effect.”

    So you don’t know. You just assume the £1.5bn figure is wrong because you don’t like Danny Alexander and think it might harm the independence cause.
    As to the multiplier, if it were such a guaranteed route to economic success, why has unprecedented UK public spending in the past few years not resulted in unprecedented levels of growth?

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 6:18 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Please repeat the questions Habbabkuk;..”

    _______________________

    I “couldn’t be arsed”, Doug (do you recognise that expression of yours?)since you would simply find another excuse or pretext not to answer.

    Do try to be a little less dilatory in future will you.

    **********************

    An answer a day keeps misleading comments at bay.

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 6:22 pm

    Tom asks (correctly)

    “As to the multiplier, if it were such a guaranteed route to economic success, why has unprecedented UK public spending in the past few years not resulted in unprecedented levels of growth?”

    and this gives me reason to repeat a comment/question of my own going in the same direction :

    “Secondly, as nearly all the money will be spent in Scotland it is not a loss at all, but actually an increase to GDP,”

    and

    “As you say, the money will stay in Scotland and create jobs, which in turn will create more jobs.”
    _______________________

    On that basis (increased GDP, more jobs), would you recommend that the UK govt should create lots of new institutions in the non-Scottish UK?

  48. Leaving Afghanistan? Not really.

    US Troops To Stay In Afghanistan After 2014
    The US plans to keep nearly 10,000 troops in Afghanistan for two years after the war formally ends later this year, officials say.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1269994/us-troops-to-stay-in-afghanistan-after-2014

    That fact was not obvious in Obama’s speech when he made a flying visit recently. He referred to a ‘small number’ of troops remaining.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27568872

  49. Establishment peer and former NATO secretary general, Lord Robertson is expected to amplify the Scottish independence ‘Project Fear’ manifold together with George Foulkes and John Reid, by forming a PAC to pull the wire with America to strong arm US institutions into resonating a global instability if the people of Scotland vote ‘yes’ to independence.

    They will attempt to break the American silence on Scotland I believe by using cataclysmic terms such as acute geostrategic consequences where the “forces of darkness” will seize the opportunity to create instability in the West from a paralyzed United Kingdom.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sRqyu6bnkg

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 7:00 pm

    Mark Golding

    “They will attempt to break the American silence on Scotland I believe by using cataclysmic terms such as acute geostrategic consequences where the “forces of darkness” will seize the opportunity to create instability in the West from a paralyzed United Kingdom.”
    ______________________

    Apocalyptic and paranoid tosh from you, as so often.

  51. Habbakuk

    Mark Golding

    “They will attempt to break the American silence on Scotland I believe by using cataclysmic terms such as acute geostrategic consequences where the “forces of darkness” will seize the opportunity to create instability in the West from a paralyzed United Kingdom.”
    ______________________

    Apocalyptic and paranoid tosh from you, as so often.

    ——————————————————————-

    the usual shite with no links from billy nomates

  52. Well found Mark. I do not think I have the stomach for 1.5 hours of their stuff though. I understood it was being broadcast from the Brookings Institute one of the neocon nests.

    One of the comments.

    ‘Utterly sickening.
    I have never heard so many lies and fear-mongering in one presentation. The wonderful thing about the Referendum campaign is that, as a result, the Scottish people’s interest in these matters has been re-awakened and the majority of Yes supporters could refute every single point made by George Robertson….I also noted that he made no mention, to his basically American audience, of the British Governments Diplomatic approach to Russia’s Putin for support against Scottish Independence…as Burns wrote “Sic a Parcel o’ Rogues in a Nation”’

    ·

  53. I would never equate separatism with mass murder, but for my part I wouldn’t waste taxpayer’s money on either.

    I’m surprised by Mary’s mention of a British approach to Russia. I had never heard of it, but I find it astonishing. How could the British imagine that Russia would be interested? And how could they possibly expect any help from Russia at all? The Kremlin clearly doesn’t take the British government seriously – after all, I don’t; why should they? – and since all the hideous and ignorant things Cameron, Hague and Clegg have said (and possibly done) in respect of the Ukrainian situation I simply don’t understand how they have the brass neck to ask.

  54. “If tears could build a stairway, and memories a lane,
    I’d walk right up to heaven and bring you home again” ~ Allah Yirhamik ya Oumi

  55. All the politicians have failed the Eastern Ukrainians, Richard.

    Only the people of the world can save them…

    https://twitter.com/eshvedova2012/status/471392010755403776

    Notice the hashtag.

  56. Here’s another:

    https://twitter.com/ARTEM_KLYUSHIN/status/471061619163025408

    Isn’t this like Kosovo, but in reverse? I’m beginning to think that Blair might have got it partly right on that one (but you don’t need to bomb civilians to save civilians!).

  57. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO – If Scots want independence like Afghanistan, Iraq or Ukraine – they better stay in union with Britain – otherwise they will Ira all over Scotland.

    Food for thought: Why Rupert Murdoch favor break-up of United Kingdom?

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/03/04/murdoch-favors-break-up-of-united-kingdom/

  58. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 1:54 am

    Is Freedom cheaper than gas?

    http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/the-colder-war-and-the-end-of-the-petrodollar

    But before I explain why that is, let’s put this deal in terms we can understand. The specific details have not been announced, but my sources tell me that the contract will bring in over US$10 billion a year of revenue to start with. The 30-year deal states that every year, the Russians will deliver 1.3 trillion cubic feet (TCF) of gas to China. The total capital expenditure to build the pipeline and all other infrastructure for the project will be more than $22 billion—this will be one of the largest projects in the world.

    You can bet the Russians won’t take payment in US dollars for their gas. This is the beginning of the end for the petrodollar.

    The Chinese and Russians are working together against the Americans, and there are many countries that would be happy to join them in dethroning the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency. This historic gas deal between Russia and China is very bad news for the petrodollar.

    Through this one deal, the Russians will provide about 25% of China’s current natural gas demand. In a word, this is huge.

    It’s also not a coincidence that Putin sealed the deal with China before the Australian, US, and Canadian liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminals are completed. If you read our recent Casey Energy Report issue on LNG, you know to be wary of the hype about LNG’s “bright future.” Take note: this deal is a serious negative for the global LNG projects.

  59. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 2:12 am

    Rehmat; I cringe as Craig emphasizes Scot Indie as the new Atlantis. That Murdoch is aligned with the idea makes one ponder the reasons why. It’s almost as though Marx’s dialectic would supercede Hegel’s and forever cease swinging once it reaches the apex. I doubt Craig’s optimism could accept this fallacy.

  60. What it comes down to is nobody needs these fucking effete ass-kissing limeys. Certainly not the peoples of Scotland. The pressure is so inordinate because nobody needs these shit-for-brains Washington knuckle-draggers, either. Certainly not the peoples of Yankeedom, the First Nation, the Midlands, the Left Coast, el Norte, or New France. Self-determination for Scotland would give the viable nations of America subversive new ideas.

  61. Yesterday a large chunk of relevant discussion was deleted at the behest of Craig’s buddies in government. The iron hand of UK government has placed discussion of the war in Syria which it started for Israel by sending UK snipers to pick off people at random Off Limits.

    Crawling his way up the valet’s anus, Craig has taken a foppish, anti-Whig, anti-socialist stance in recent months over Ukraine.
    New Labour is now called the War Criminal party. The war crimes that have been committed by the civil wars in Libya and in Syria are off limits for the FCO in the run up to a general election.

    These ongoing crimes are the full responsibility of David Cameron, and I am sure they make very uncomfortable reading for the powers that be. Aangirfan recently found himself locked out of his blog for overstepping the line on high-profile paedophiles.

    Oh dear! Don’t let it go down in history that the last bastion of Conservatism in Scotland was former rectum of Dundee University, Craig Murray, who by skilfully editing the unpleasant truth about the Torer Fuhrer David Cameron, survived the blanket censorship of contemporary politics like the jolly old vicar of Bray, Sir!

  62. War criminals leave the scene of their crimes. Things didn’t work out so well for them.

    US tells its citizens to leave Libya amid unrest
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27599301

    They are walking out leaving behind mayhem, chaos, anarchy and murder.

  63. What! No helicopters on the roof for the Yanks in Libya? Shame.

    RIP Hugh Van Es. Hugh Van Es, the photographer who took the iconic “helicopters on the roof” photo of the fall of Saigon, has died at 67:

    [Van Es's] shot of the helicopter escape from a Saigon rooftop on April 29, 1975 became a stunning metaphor for the desperate U.S. withdrawal and its overall policy failure in Vietnam.
    http://neoneocon.com/2009/05/15/rip-hugh-van-es/

  64. On topic!

    Scots Independence Costs ‘Badly Misrepresented’
    Government officials are accused of being “crude” in their calculations – and of overstating a figure by 12 times.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1270290/scots-independence-costs-badly-misrepresented

    ‘The Treasury has “badly misrepresented” a study on the cost of Scottish independence, the academic behind the research has said.

    Patrick Dunleavy, a professor of politics at the London School of Economics, says that when Treasury officials used his research to calculate the start-up costs of independence, they overstated the figure by 12 times.

    The criticism is an embarrassment for Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, who is due to present detailed figures on the economics of independence at an event described by Whitehall officials as a “major milestone” in the independence debate.’

  65. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were “strategic failures” which cost the UK £29 billion.

    Thus spaketh the Royal United Services Institute…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10859545/Wars-in-Iraq-and-Afghanistan-were-a-failure-costing-29bn.html

  66. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 8:25 am

    why has unprecedented UK public spending in the past few years not resulted in unprecedented levels of growth?

    I know the answer to that one. Because propping up the banks (which had they been in any other business would have been forced to declare bankruptcy) has actually reduced M(0): the basis of Keynes’ approach is that the ordinary punter should be encouraged to spend more. Since the ordinary punter had been spending like a drunken sailor, on his credit card, for the years leading up to the crash, and is now constrained, Keynes is powerless to influence the result. In any case, “growth” is an intentionally misleading term. If I transfer £1000 to your bank account every Monday, and you faithfully return it every Friday, we have between us grown the economy, under the current definition of growth.

    But nothing of value has been produced. The epitaph of the post-Thatcher economy.

  67. Ba’al 28 May, 2014 – 8:25 am

    It is encouraging to see that somebody understands the meaning of growth. But can you please transfer your £1000 to my account. Thanks. :)

  68. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 8:39 am

    Ben – good one of yours @ 0212. Another good argument for the UK to revisit nuclear power.

  69. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 8:57 am

    But can you please transfer your £1000 to my account.

    Just give me your account details and PIN number, no problem…actually I hope to be supporting the engineering industry with it, as I need to get my latest bike’s clutch modified. Sorry.

  70. Horrific pictures on RT. The Kiev Nazis are slaughtering old women, by the looks of it. Of course not a cheep from the BBC. What a shameful organisation, so in tune with neo-con thinking now.

  71. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 9:36 am

    Mike

    “The Kiev Nazis are slaughtering old women,”
    __________________

    Perhaps the fascist thugs and gangsters fomenting secession in eastern Ukraine should be denounced for deliberately putting women, children and old people in the firing line for propaganda purposes (and against their will).

    ***********************

    Support the Take Mikes to the Firing Line Campaign

  72. Oh, you are a naughty little imp, Habby!

    Good to see you haven’t lost your edge. I was starting to worry about you, for a while.

  73. Terrible slaughter in Donbass Oblast, 100 dead, and Pravy Sector and other extreme fascists in control of military. No peaceful future. How much better it was under Yanukovich. The US has brought nothing but death to Ukraine.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/27/ukraines-poroshenko-promises-war-100-killed-in-kievs-new-campaign/

    Here’s one for Craig, the chocolate manufacturer who is pummeling the Donbass region, is also exploiting slave labour in West Africa for his chocolate supplies.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/28/poroshenko-ukraines-candy-king-sticky-fingers/

    Despite the trolls on this blog who glory in the death of ordinary people and attempt to misplace the blame, the people in East Ukraine know who is responsible for the slaughter, and will remember what it was like with the former government before the fascist took control. I see people making comments who have shown themselves to be against the German holocaust against Jews but in favour of other holocausts figure-headed by Jews.

  74. Another war in Europe, 100 people killed and more injured in bombing ,strafing runs by helicopter gunships and it didn’t even make front page news.Doesn’t even make it to the memory hole.It just didn’t happen.
    Not a peep from Hague.Guess he thinks Willie Wonka is doing the right thing and that all civilians that don’t like chocolate are terrorists & Donbasstards.

  75. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 10:17 am

    It’s not white hats vs black hats, John. Both sets of hats are a dirty grey. It’s unklikely Poroshenko would be shooting if he hadn’t made reasonably sure that Moscow wouldn’t get deeply involved first. In fact I’d be interested in your source for the 100 dead. The pro-Russians appear to have looted and burned a hockey stadium (why?) and there’s a pro-Russian miner’s demo of some sort, but I’m not getting Kievists running wild at the moment. Links please.

  76. YouKnowMyName

    28 May, 2014 - 10:21 am

    Yes Jives: The Iraq & Afghan wars that cost UK £29B & over 100,000 collateral dead, according to RUSI, who also commented “Today, AQAP and other radical jihadist groups stretching across the Iraqi-Syrian border, pose new terrorist threats to the UK and its allies that might not have existed, at least in this form, had Saddam remained in power.”

    This rings true as whilst recently landing in the UK at a small regional airport, I was surprised to see 2 hardline “border police” officers, **after** passport control, obviously scanning the tourists for returning jihadis. Good Luck MI5 – you can tidy the blowback up!

    For Guano: I noticed a perturbation of some parts of the internet in February 2011, when (fake) anonymous hackers called Telecomix popped-up to support (cause or effect?) the wide Arab Spring with phone/fax/modem numbers in Hamburg, Stockholm & Paris.

    Syria DEFINITELY wasn’t a UK-SIS/Cameron-led operation. I suppose they/he might have been consulted as the widespread Color revolution teams got under-way sometime in 2010, but “discussion of the war in Syria which it(UK) started” (actually didn’t start) is obviously allowed as no-one has yet deleted this post

  77. Danny Boy is giving a press conference being carried by Sky. He looks rather shifty and uncomfortable. He says that it will benefit every person in Scotland by the sum of £1,400 to stay in the union.

    PS Is he the son of Lord Robertson? Some similarities. Only joking.:-)

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 10:34 am

    Mary

    “Danny Boy is giving a press conference being carried by Sky. He looks rather shifty and uncomfortable.”
    _________________________

    I’d give a lot to see your mug of a morning, Mary, when your eyes alight on the latest turpitude of the West as relayed on online BBC Radio 4. Pure joy, I should imagine! :)

    Have a great day now!

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 10:45 am

    Mr Goss

    “Despite the trolls on this blog who glory in the death of ordinary people and attempt to misplace the blame, the people in East Ukraine know who is responsible for the slaughter,…”
    ________________

    Not glorying in the death of ordinary people, John, just standing up to the Big Lie as propagated by stool pigeons like you by putting the blame where it actually lies, ie, with the fascist bully boys and Mafia-style thugs attempting to create havoc in eastern Ukraine (aka, laughingly, as “separatists”)~. Even rasPutin seems to have abandoned them (and rightly so).
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I see people making comments who have shown themselves to be against the German holocaust against Jews but in favour of other holocausts figure-headed by Jews.”

    _______________

    You’re not getting back to that old idea of yours that the ousting of the corrupt, authoritarian, thuggish Yanukovich was all a Jewish conspiracy, are you?

  80. NATO-sponsored death squads. Black hats. Nazis.

    Simple.

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/05/ukraine-sitrep-may-22th-1932-utczulu.html

  81. @Ba’al: I agree with you that Putin is strangely quiet and unsupportive of the Donbass people at the moment. That doesn’t make it right for Kiev to launch or even threaten to launch a “shock and awe” on its own people just because they can, any more than it was justified to bomb Baghdad or Belgrade because their leaders were murderous dictators. I notice that “EuroMaiden” now saying that #SaveDonbassPeople” is just the work of Russian Trolls.

    Regarding the chocolate billionaire.. in true Berlusconi fashion, he is the owner of a TV station, CANAL5. He said he would revoke it… now he seems to have changed his mind. In case you didn’t read my previous link, he has also helped to negotiate the use of land across the Donbass for fracking with Joe Biden’s son’s company.

  82. @ John Goss

    That’s terrible John, what the hell is going on. It’s all politics and it’s corruptions.
    Get round the table quick! And seek diplomacy!
    There should be no borders just evaluations and outcomes!

    Danny Alexander on Nick Cambell just after 8am this morning.

    Big up for Nicky Cambell.

  83. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 11:02 am

    Peacewisher -
    No, Poroshenko isn’t very nice. Neither’s Putin. Pity, that. It would be so nice if everybody was nice. On the realpolitik front, if armed opponents of the state as presently constituted decide to occupy a major airport, and if their foreign supporters have recognised the legality of the present state, then in the interests of sending a clear message as well as retaining a vital transport hub, the state IMO has a right to use force majeure. Don’t want to get shot at? Don’t occupy airports. Even Putin understands that.

    Remember Chechnya?

  84. Danny Alexanders figures are wrong. They are wrong by a factor of 12.
    This has been picked up by Sky and reported in the FT.
    What prominence will this be given by the BBC I wonder, very little I suspect unless Farage has some comment to make about it.

  85. I agree, Ba’al, and they are both politicians so no surprise there. Taking the airport at that time was stupid, but it shouldn’t bring about the bombing of civilian areas. I know there are terrible things going on in other parts of the world, but terrifying your own civilians on a mass scale like this is absolutely not the way a newly-elected leader should behave.

  86. Habbabkuk,

    Fascinating you taking on the mantle of exposing the Big Lie when most of the time you and your fellow NeoCon claqeurs and tag team troll buddies spent most of your time here defending the real Big Lie of our time.

    You Panglossian fool.

  87. @ jake

    Although should Danny Alexander be commended for standing by his party and leader and arguing for that which he is in no doubt would be the best for his comrades.

    Danny Alexander should be commended.

  88. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 12:10 pm

    …terrifying your own civilians on a mass scale like this is absolutely not the way a newly-elected leader should behave.

    No indeed. Wonder where he got the idea?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

    …though ‘elected’ might be putting it a little strongly in Putin’s case. Newly, yes.

  89. Tony Blair’s Sissi in Egypt has just extended voting to an unprecedented third day because the turn out has been too low to lend legitemacy to his election.
    This is a system that the EU has not thought of yet,the election marathon. Just keep voting until you are past some post.
    Who said unpopularity should get in the way of winning democratically ?

  90. “Some were confused by the latest bout of radiosilence emanating from the Kremlin in the aftermath of both the “Chocolate King” winning the Ukraine presidential election, and the most recent escalation of fighting in self-proclaimed as independent Republic of Donetsk, in which more than 50 “separatists” were killed. This ended moments ago when the Russian foreign ministry issued a press release that it has received appeals for humanitarian aid from the “conflict zone” in east Ukraine, and that more importantly, it is is ready to the “provide the population with the required assistance’.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-28/russia-tells-kiev-it-ready-provide-humanitarian-aid-east-ukraine

  91. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 1:43 pm

    Blair update: he’s in/ just been to Berlin. Why? Think EU Presidency, again.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2641199/Tony-Blairs-rank-hypocrisy-He-threw-open-Britain-millions-immigrations-sneers-Ukip.html#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

    That guy hates Blair almost as much as I do…

    PS, this survey wasn’t done in a Ramsgate pub, obviously -

    http://www.natcen.ac.uk/news-media/press-releases/2014/january/more-than-3-in-4-want-reduction-in-immigration/

  92. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 1:45 pm

    This ended moments ago when the Russian foreign ministry issued a press release that it has received appeals for humanitarian aid from the “conflict zone” in east Ukraine, and that more importantly, it is is ready to the “provide the population with the required assistance’.”

    Poroshenko is obviously a man Putin can do business with. Stress business.

  93. Dreoilin @1.26

    I’m sure that aid will include a few Manpads as well, if they are not already being driven into the country late at night, in rusty old Ladas.

  94. I am unconvinced that most of the startup money will stay in Scotland.

    Take for example, the IT infrastructure costs. To bootstrap a new bureaucracy, you will need servers, networks, software, terminals, etc.

    Since you are in a hurry, you will likely end up going for off the shelf solutions from the large systems integrators (so everything works together). This means buying large quantities of boxes and cables (made in China, but from companies traded on the NYSE). You then hire armies of international consultants (because Scotland does not have the spare IT people to put it all together in the time frame you want to boot strap Scotland.)

    Therefore, a lot of the money spent on setting up the IT systems will leave Scotland. (and the IT systems will be thoroughly penetrated by the NSA and its English friends).

  95. I noticed that they were using those see-thru perspex ballot boxes in the oligarch’s election.

    Seems that’s standard practice in Ukraine.

    What has surprised me is that habby and his groupies haven’t been complaining about them as they did when they were used in the Crimea.

    Funny, that.

    Seems they just invent things to get excited about. Total fraudsters.

  96. I never saw it before but Russia Today has shown footage of a school that was bombed by Willy Wonka’s forces (fortunately no casualties). Wonka said “The suspense is terrible – I hope it lasts”.

  97. Gallows humour, John. It’s the only sane response.

    Maybe they’re using UN helicopters to murder old women. Another useless organisation that only jumps when America says so.

  98. AEL,2.25m,

    ” (and the IT systems will be thoroughly penetrated by the NSA and its English friends).”

    Which,of course,in turn,will be thoroughly penetrated by their Chinese and Russian friends…

  99. Obamas to fight terrorism with a multi billion dollar fund.

    Try employment you Schmuck!

    Oh that’s his plan,

  100. Herbie … have a look at these ballot boxes … amazing how ballots supposedly dropped from the top align themselves so neatly at the bottom!

    http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2014/May/25/LiveLeak-dot-com-7c0_1401048702-ElectionfraudUkraine2_1401048716.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd7974f4ddbd1ec4e&ec_rate=230

  101. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 4:14 pm

    It’s the same principle as a street busker: put some of your own money in the hat to give the impression that someone thought your performance was worth paying for. :-)

  102. Life in a Surrey prison in 2012. Yet we criticize foreign countries for similar barbarity. 1103 inmates.

    High Down mentally ill inmates ‘make jail like asylum’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-27603969

    ‘It’s now a prison and one in 10 of the prisoners there are so ill that they are in touch with the prison’s mental health services. And there are others who have a lot of mental health problems.”

    “We have to see them as people who are ill or need care, rather than simply as criminals who need punishment.” Nick Hardwick Chief inspector of prisons

    He said all prisons, not just High Down, increasingly held a high proportion of mentally-ill people.

    “I think there needs to be a better way of dealing with those people than simply through the criminal justice system,” he said.

    NB
    High Down prison morale ‘through the floor’ according to report on ‘dreadful’ 2013
    Mar 30, 2014
    A report released by the Independent Monitoring Boards has raised major concerns with staffing and funding levels at HMP High Down
    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/high-down-prison-morale-through-6889609

  103. Don’t forget how children are being traumatised as they were and are in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, the Balkans, Vietnam, Korea, in fact every one of the 360 post Second World War incursions the US has spearheaded. That’s why when someone mentions Chechniya to villainise Putin it is a disproportionate response, though it is the same for children everywhere.

    “It’s terrifying for children” said Anna a 30 year old teacher from Slvyansk. Nights, when they jump out of bed from an explosion stick in their minds for life. It is very complicated to explain who is shooting, and why. See, for children everything is simple: they shoot the enemy. My 10 year old son asked: “Momma, but why has the enemy got a Ukrainian flag with BTP on it? I try to explain that it is not the enemy, but the Ukrainian Army. But the child does not calm down: “Then why are they shooting at us.” How do you explain to a child what is going on?

    That is the extract ringed in the article here:

    http://www.rightnow.io/breaking-news/donbass-russian-ussr-wars_bn_1398943504133.html

    Note: BTP (Общество с ограниченной ответственностью “БТП”) Society with Limited Responsibility. I suppose all military units could be so described.

  104. Slyvansk = Slavyansk

  105. The drone warrior has been droning on for what seemed like hours at the passing out ceremony at West Point. The best bit for them was hearing that they won’t be sent to wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. He did not outline his future plans for war in other countries but promised $5bn to fight terrrrrrism. No mention of cause and effect.

    US gives $5bn to global terror fight
    President Barack Obama has announced a “terrorism partnership fund” for other countries to tackle extremists, in a landmark foreign policy speech at a military academy in New York.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27606536

    The new headline at 16.30 is ‘Obama: US must show restraint abroad’.

  106. mike 28 May, 2014 – 3:11 pm

    My understanding is that the UN helicopters were decommissioned by the UN and sold to Ukraine. They were supposed to have removed the UN logos before using them. But what would you expect from these cowardly thugs?

  107. ‘Would you trust private companies like G4S, Atos or Serco to look after vulnerable children? Or to influence decisions about taking children into care? Protecting children is one of the most difficult and sensitive roles for a government to perform. But education secretary Michael Gove is consulting on whether to outsource this role to profit making companies. [1]

    If we want to stop this, we don’t have long – the consultation closes this Friday. So far, the issue’s had very little media coverage, and the consultation has barely been publicised. If thousands of us write in today, we can show Michael Gove that we’re watching – and make sure he drops these plans.

    Please can you write to the consultation today:
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/childprotection

    Decisions by child protection professionals affect lives and can break up families, these decisions should be kept miles away from any hint of a profit motive. Adoption services have already been protected from privatisation. And there’s no evidence to suggest that outsourcing services is a good idea anyway. [2]

    The government’s proposal argues that letting private companies provide children’s services will encourage innovation.[3] But we all saw the mess that G4S made of providing security at the Olympics, would we really want them to care for vulnerable children’s lives?

    Experts have already voiced outrage at the plans, now we need to hammer the message home with people power. [4] Previously when 38 Degrees members have responded to Michael Gove’s consultations, our voices have been heard loud and clear. Last year, he dropped his plans to remove climate change from school curriculums after we wrote in our thousands to oppose them. [5]

    Can you write into the consultation and help stop these plans today:
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/childprotection

    Thanks for everything you do

    Robin, Ali, Blanche and the 38 Degrees team’

    NOTES:
    [1] The Guardian – Privatise child protection services, Department for Education proposes: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/16/privatise-child-protection-services-department-for-education-proposes
    [2] Public Finance – Child protection: not for sale: http://opinion.publicfinance.co.uk/2014/05/child-protection-not-for-sale/
    [3] The government proposal: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/304660/Powers_to_Delegate_Con_Doc.pdf
    [4] The Guardian – Child protection services too important to be privatised: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/16/child-protection-privatised
    [5] 38 Degrees blog – Victory: Climate change will stay in the curriculum: http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2013/07/09/victory-climate-change-will-stay-in-the-curriculum

  108. HMG’s Mr Hunt proposes to dole out £100m to Weight Watchers. Ostensibly a good idea Jeremy.

    Little known is the fact that from 1978-1999 WW was owned by Heinz, producers of processed food some containing high levels of sugar and salt. No conflict there.

    Corporate history
    From 1978 until 1999, Weight Watchers was owned by the H. J. Heinz Company, which continues to produce packaged foods bearing the Weight Watchers brand (and with point values clearly identified). Weight Watchers was acquired in a leveraged buyout in 1999 by Artal Luxembourg and went public in 2001. Artal continues to own over 50% of the shares of Weight Watchers as of 2010.

    Corporate governance

    The current members of the board of directors of Weight Watchers are Philippe Amouyal, John Bard, Raymond Debbane, Marsha Evans, Jonas Fajgenbaum, Linda Huett, Sacha Lainovic, Steven M. Altschuler and Christopher Sobecki.

    Now a corporation based in NY.
    Revenue $1.724 billion (2013)

    Operating income $460.757 million (2013)

    Fat people = Fat profits.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2012/09/04/the-mystery-man-behind-weight-watchers-and-the-private-equity-deal-of-the-century/

  109. ” My understanding is that the UN helicopters were decommissioned by the UN and sold to Ukraine. ”

    The helicopters always belonged to Ukraine, the UN doesn’t own any military hardware it relies on member states operating their own equipment on it’s behalf. If reports are true Ukraine should’ve removed the markings but then as UN markings have never proved to be any protection in the past how is “cowardly”?

  110. Well spotted, Pykrete.

    The chocolate oligarch was desperate to get over 50% on the first round to avoid the necessity of a second.

    Knowing that there’d be a very low turnout, I suppose they just decided to help things along by stuffing the ballot.

    ===============================

    We’re moving towards the end of the project now, and it’s interesting to look back at how they began and still continue today, managing every aspect of your life:

    Norman Dodd, who was involved in banking in the early days, and subsequently involved in a Congressional enquiry into endowed foundations explains:

    “This is about The Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations who since the turn of the century have set out to influence and manipulate the education and morals of not only the USA but Countries Globally. Reduced standards of Education and sexual promiscuity of today have their roots in these Foundations. He states that the foundations were very influential in instigating conflicts around the world. “This may be one of the most important videos you will ever see”"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM

  111. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 6:34 pm

    Ba’alZevul

    “..then in the interests of sending a clear message as well as retaining a vital transport hub, the state IMO has a right to use force majeure.”
    __________________

    While I agree with the contents of your response to candidate-Eminence “Peacemaker”, I must point out, à la Michael Gove, that your use of “force majeure” is incorrect. “Force” would have been sufficient.

    Keep up the good work.

  112. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 6:39 pm

    Jake

    “What prominence will this be given by the BBC I wonder, very little I suspect”
    ___________________

    You suspect wrongly, you fool. A lot about it on BBC Radio 4 at 16h00 and 17h00 UCT.

  113. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 6:49 pm

    Mary

    “NB
    High Down prison morale ‘through the floor’ according to report on ‘dreadful’ 2013
    Mar 30, 2014
    A report released by the Independent Monitoring Boards has raised major concerns with staffing and funding levels at HMP High Down”
    _________________–

    On a point of information, Mary, is that one of the privately-run prisons you’ve complained about in the past, or is it a state-run prison?

    ********************

    Commit no crime, stay out of prison!

  114. Pykrete’s link to the prefilled Ukraine ballot boxes works on:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7c0_1401048702

    So blatant.

  115. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 6:57 pm

    Herbie

    “Knowing that there’d be a very low turnout, I suppose they just decided to help things along by stuffing the ballot.”
    _____________________

    Well, perhaps the national turnout – although respectable enough – would have been even higher of fascist bullyboys and masked thugs in eastern Ukraine had not done their best to intimidate people against voting.

    Thankfully the good guy won fairly and squarely and all reasonable people would agree that he now has a solid mandate to crack down strongly on said bullyboys and fascist thugs.

  116. ‘On a point of information, Mary, is that one of the privately-run prisons you’ve complained about in the past, or is it a state-run prison?’

    Has the poster @ 6.49pm not heard of Google?

    I notice no concern expressed for those in need of psychiatric care. Some will be past members of HM Forces.

  117. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b044j40n

    Danny Alexander on at 2hr 6min.

    He puts his view a cross in an open an honest way although he focuses on monetary matters like it is paramount. When will people realise that money is just an inconvenience!

    Mary.

    It certainly seems a strange one to outsource child protection services when you would consider community based local services to be superior.
    What concerns me is the closing of sure start centres which are a great benefit for new parents.

  118. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 7:07 pm

    Apparently the right wing parties accounted for a truly majestic 1,5% of turnout in the Ukraine Presidential election.

    It is strange that the self-appointed “anti-fascists” on this blog remain so silent in the face of this good news.

    Moreover, this significant bit of news seems to have passed by entirely unnoticed by the normally oh so-vigilant Marys, Gosses, Peaceakers and assorted other loudmouths.

    Whence this sudden blindness? Could it be that they are secretly disappointed?

    *******************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  119. Not a bad post on the Hitchens blog about Ukraine: “Ukraine – A Warning to the Furious”.

    You can see why so many people in power don’t like him.

  120. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 7:17 pm

    Mary

    “‘On a point of information, Mary, is that one of the privately-run prisons you’ve complained about in the past, or is it a state-run prison?’

    Has the poster @ 6.49pm not heard of Google?

    I notice no concern expressed for those in need of psychiatric care. Some will be past members of HM Forces.”
    _____________________

    Google? What’s that?

    Since it was you who chose to comment about HMP High Down, I obviously thought that you would know whether it was a state-run or private prison. Why did you choose not to tell your readers, Mary?

    Re your comment about concern, I didn’t note much concern in your original comment either. In fact, I got the distinct impression that you don’t give a flying fuck about mentally-ill people except as a further handy little stick with which to beat the govt. Your hypocrisy stinks to high heaven!

    *************************

    PS – are you a comfortably-off member of the middle class, espousing Tony Crosland/Tony Benn type socialism?

  121. Get my name right, Habby. Peacemaker is a highly worthy concept but in the context of false-flags here, there, and everywhere it seems somewhat remote at the moment. I am a Peacewisher of the John Lennon “Imagine” variety. I hope some day you’ll join us…

  122. “Thankfully the good guy won”

    Eh!

    This scumbag?

    “He has never been an entrepreneur or start a business of his own. The story is invented. He made a head start thanks to the criminal connections of his father sentenced for large-scale theft in 1986. Having served the sentence, Poroshenko Sr. launched his own business making his son involved in the activities.

    The business was dirty, it all started with the plundering of state property by armed gangs. The Poroshenko family had plans to expand the activities beyond Ukraine. Tatyana Mikoyan, a well-known Kiev-based lawyer, remembers what the family did in Transnistria,

    «It was horrible back in the 1990s: illegal arms, prostitutes, drugs – all bringing profits to father and son».”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/money-laundering-who-is-ukraines-president-petro-poroshenko/5384213

    No surprise to see you cheering on the thieving oligarch murdering ordinary people, all for an extra bit of turf to plunder.

    Amazing the way people like you are so keen to support this murdering thug and condemn the much milder response of the previous president, who was happy to engage in talks.

    You are a truly disgusting creature.

    But then you have to be to cheer on what your Israeli mates get up to on a daily basis.

    At least you’re consistently on the side of evil.

  123. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 7:32 pm

  124. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 7:35 pm

    “Peacemaker’ was St Ronaldus’ paean to Orwell. He changed the public perception of the MX system for his re-booting of the arms race using the vaunted ‘doublespeak’ of our Leaders.

  125. Don’t be too hard on Habby, Herbie. He’s only repeating what we can all read in our highly impartial news media.

    Yes, Ben. Another example was the “Peacemaker” missile, which Tracy Chapman so effectively exposed.

  126. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    Correction; “PeaceKEEPER”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-118_Peacekeeper

    I remember him trotting out Posterboard with pictures (like Bibi’s ‘bomb’ lol) showing smaller but more advanced solid-fuel US rocketry and comparing the ancient behemoths of hydrogen, to illustrate how we needed to catch up with the Soviets.

  127. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 7:48 pm

    Herbie

    Gosh, you DO sound miffed that the good guy won, fairly and squarely!

    But hey, that’s democracy for you – you have to learn to roll with the punches sometimes, Herbie!

    PS – love your eulogy for the previous Prezzie.

  128. Whoops! Yes, sorry Ben.

    “Why are the missiles called Peacekeepeers when they’re trained to kill…”

  129. I wonder will Geithner or whatever goon has replaced him at Treasury be calling for her to resign immediately, as he did with DSK.

    Don’t think so.

    Another hypocrite, proving ever more demonstrably the whole thing was a fit up.

  130. “Why are the missiles called Peacekeepers when they’re trained to kill…”

    It’s all a question of perverted perspective.

    Some people think only of what is done to them, never what they do to others.

    They’re called psychopaths, and they’re currently running the western world.

  131. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 8:14 pm

    Peacemaker; Here’s the reference Reagan was using. http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Colt_Peacemaker

    Being an actor in Hollywood made him an expert on the Old West as we romantically recall.

    Eastwood’s Unforgiven took the shine off that mythology.

  132. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    Whoops!! Sorry about that Peacewisher. :)

  133. Now the Poles are sending in Death Squads and chemical weapons, having trained their fascist friends in their use, to kill even more civilians.

    “By order of the Kiev directorate of the SBU, the fighters, the cargo and the containers of poison were not inspected and left the airport in cars with tinted windows. The cargo was accompanied by CIA agent Richard Michael. Aboard the plane were also fighters from the Right Sector and the Polish private military company ASBS (Analizy Systemowe Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz) Othago, created several years ago by Poland’s current Minister of the Interior, B. Sienkiewicz.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/polish-death-squads-fighting-in-ukraine-cia-covert-operation/5384210

  134. I know a great deal about psychiatric illness as it happens. Does caring for a mother with dementia over several years qualify? Or having helped friends recover from breakdowns and being a volunteer for a local charity that helps carers, some of whom are at their wit’s end. My late husband was a Samaritan too bless his soul.

    You really have no place here as you appear to be heartless.

    ‘All men are brothers’. Have you heard of that saying?

  135. Kempe, correct over UN. Ukraine has apparently supplied UN helicopters in peacekeeping missions to Congo and elsewhere.

  136. “Commit no crime, stay out of prison!”

    What a load of tosh!

    Your Yankee friends let Herman Wallace out to die of cancer after 42 years in solitary confinement having not committed a crime. They still have Shaker Aamer in Guantanamo. Aamer’s friend, also a former detainee at Guantanamo, Moazzam Begg, has been in police custody since February. Having been subjected to it himself he was investigating the torture about which the British Secret Services don’t want you to know.

    No wonder nobody takes you seriously when you come out with such Yerunda!

  137. Yeroonda might be better, or ерунда!

  138. The gangsters-in-charge are meeting in Denmark tomorrow. Bilderberg time again.

    Mandelslime, Gideon and Balls Up are going.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/is-it-the-bilderberg-conference–or-conspiracy-9449477.html

  139. @Herbie: These Poles should know better. They were massacred by the Banderites in the 1940s, when the latter had teamed up with Hitler. Now they are working with them?! What was that about “strange bedfellows” in some Shakespeare play?

  140. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 9:12 pm

    Mary

    “I know a great deal about psychiatric illness as it happens. Does caring for a mother with dementia over several years qualify? Or having helped friends recover from breakdowns and being a volunteer for a local charity that helps carers, some of whom are at their wit’s end. My late husband was a Samaritan too bless his soul.”
    ______________________

    So what?

    Your comment at 16h19 was not about mental illnesses in general but was specifically about mental illness among prisoners, with particular reference to HMP High Down. You used that to get in another kick at the govt.

    You should be ashamed about that – and you should be even more ashamed to retell personal stories here in an effort to create a diversion from my question to you, which was : is HMP High Down a state or a privately-run prison?

    Why on earth are you so upset at that question?

    Could it be that you normally wax indignant at how privately-run prisons are run and that you are now embarrassed to have to admit that state-run prisons aren’t that wonderful either??

  141. Mary, it hardly seems a year since I was down at Watford on last year’s Bilderberg fringe protest. The weather was gorgeous. The speakers and entertainers were good too. one of the items on the Bilderberger agenda was “The Challenge of Africa” but as far as I could see there was nobody from Africa invited. These people are a lot more dangerous than Paul Flynn thinks they are.

  142. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 9:22 pm

    Herbie

    “Now the Poles are sending in Death Squads and chemical weapons,…”

    ________________________

    What do you mean by “the Poles”, Herbie?

    Your comment appears to attempt to give the impression that it’s the Polish govt that is “sending in Death Squads”.

    I note however that your cut and paste refers to a “Polish private military company ASBS (Analizy Systemowe Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz)”.

    Are you trying to mislead, Herbie, or are you just confused?

    BTW, I note that the origin of your cut and paste is the Californian “Global Research” outfit, which we’ve come across before now on this blog. Ni one should place too much confidence on what they write. In fact, not to put too fine a point on it, they are nutters in the Dr Paul Craig Roberts class.

  143. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 9:27 pm

    Mr Goss

    “These people {ie, the Bilderbergers} are a lot more dangerous than Paul Flynn thinks they are.”
    ____________________

    Right on, John.

    And 9/11 was a vast conspiracy, as was the assassination of JFK, and everything is really run by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers.

    Grow up, for Heaven’s sake.

  144. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 9:32 pm

    Peacewisher

    “What was that about “strange bedfellows” in some Shakespeare play?”
    ____________________

    Don’t get over-excited, P. Just focus on the efforts of the legitimate armed forces of the legitimate govt of Ukraine, acting on the orders of the democratically elected President of the country, in their mission to rid the country of fascist thugs and bullyboys seeking to to create a Mafia-ministate in the east of the country under the risible guise of “separatism” and “federalism”.

  145. And H as regards the imprisonment of Moazzam Begg I shall be saying a few words from the floor tomorrow night about this wrongful removal of freedom (29th May) in Birmingham, 7.30 p.m. Rooms 3 – 4 Council House, Victoria Square, Birmingham B1 1BB. Left Unity Launch Meeting. We’ll be bringing socialism back to the masses. I’ll be there. What about you?

  146. “And 9/11 was a vast conspiracy, as was the assassination of JFK, and everything is really run by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers.”

    By George, he’s got it! By George he’s got it! Now once again, where was the vast conspiracy?

    The twin towers. The twin towers.

    Where again?

    The twin towers. The twin towers.

    (Singing) The way they fell it could not be a plane.
    The rain in Spain says mainly on the plain.

    :)

  147. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 9:55 pm

  148. Is Habbabkuk psychotic? The aggressive, hostile and abusive posts come in batches. They are not typed on to the blog directly but assembled elsewhere and then arrive like machine gun fire all together. A very strange mind is at work.

    Ref High Down, state run as if that makes a difference to what I was pointing out (the high incidence of mental illness amongst the prisoners), probably holds about 3.5% ex military personnel in its population. Rory Stewart was commissioned by Grayling to look into that on the basis of his having been an army officer! Nothing will change.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/11/concern-number-soldiers-jail-review-rehabilitation

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/rory-stewart

  149. Habba ,I will butt in here as you are totally out of touch with the real world.

    “You’re not getting back to that old idea of yours that the ousting of the corrupt, authoritarian, thuggish Yanukovich was all a Jewish conspiracy, are you?”

    It was Victor Pinch who bankrolled the putsch in Kiev also with a little help from his friends like
    Blair and the Clinton’s by oiling the wheels of their foundations. Remember some Zionists will collaborate with Neo-Nazi`s when it suits their schemes. I know this from personal experience.

  150. Yes John I remember the vast security around that Watford hotel, miles of metal barriers and the police renting a rugby ground to accommodate all the extras.

    I could not access this site earlier.
    http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/conferences.html

  151. Thanks for posting that item about Christine Lagarde, Ben. I’m somehow not too surprised that she ended up in court just like her predecessor. It’ll be interesting to see what the outcome is.

    Here’s a tweet that was re-posted by 1122 people (should cheer some of you up!)

    “It wasn’t too long ago when I used to check BBC news to see if things I saw on Twitter were accurate. At some point, this was reversed.”

    https://twitter.com/garwboy/status/469856513771970560

  152. Incredible. The Egyptians are shooting at children now.

    Gaza fisherman shot by Egyptian boats
    28/05/2014 23:03

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=700691

    GAZA CITY (Ma’an) — A Palestinian fisherman was shot by Egyptian boats in the sea near Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip.

    Spokesman for the Gaza ministry of health Ashraf al-Qidra told Ma’an that a fisherman was shot in the face by Egyptian boats off the coast of Rafah.

    Al-Qidra said that the victim was 16 years old but did not identify him by name.

    He was taken to the European Gaza Hospital with moderate to serious injuries, al-Qidra added.

    Although Israeli soldiers enforcing a 7-year-old blockade on the Gaza Strip frequently fire at Palestinian fishermen who stray too far from the coast, Egyptian forces — who also enforce the siege, at Israel’s request — do so much more rarely.

  153. Is anybody else getting this message:

    An unexpected error occurred
    Please contact your system administrator

    when clicking on
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/is-it-the-bilderberg-conference–or-conspiracy-9449477.html

    which I linked to above and read through earlier
    ?????

  154. yes

  155. The trouble is, good people, that H. uses similar language to those in power, except that he puts it in a more emotional way.

    I’ve just listened to the UN Security Council. I can tell you that several speeches made H.’s view look positively moderate. They’ve all completely swallowed the western-media’s lies.

    I’ve just read about Guernica, and how it was barely reported, and Nazi involvement was barely recognised… except by the likes of Churchill, who could see it for what it was and called it (immortal words) “An experiment in Terror”. He was (of course) ignored.

    I wasn’t around in 1937, but the incorrect perception of events in the Spanish Civil War probably emboldened Hitler and his allies and helped cause the madness that followed.

  156. yes, Mary.

  157. Yep, I’m getting that message Mary. They could be editing it. Or there could be a break in the link. Copy some text from the article and paste it into a search engine. Then it should bring up a workable link.

  158. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 10:50 pm

    The fisherman was apparently a 16 year-old boy, Mary.

    Morsi’s ouster and tamping down Hamas, affiliated with MB seems to make Israel and Egypt butt-buddies.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-destroys-1370-gaza-smuggling-tunnels/

  159. Peacewisher, what you say is true, news often only becomes news when some historian uncovers the truth. The rest is the news of those in power. The link by Dreoilin at 28 May, 2014 – 10:21 pm about sums it up but my own suspicion is that we are becoming aware and go searching for the news elsewhere if we suspect the same shenanigans as went on on MSM at the run up to the Iraq War. If that event had not happened I might be happily listening to the BBC and believing 95% of the shit.

  160. Good to see Turkey Chasin down the murderers of the Mavi Marmara Activists

    and here a grand ol Dame has passed away – Maya Angelou Rip

    in this touching Video she reads out an Email from -

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/05/angelou-rachel-corrie.html

  161. Brian, Maya Angelou RIP.

    While the world has been watching Ukraine the US has been deploying troops off Libya.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/28/u-s-deploys-uss-bataan-1000-marines-libyan-coast/

  162. @John: I don’t think the BBC was quite that bad back in 2003, John. The Hutton Report made it a Downing St, and therefore potentially a Washington, mouthpiece. I think it got a little better when Brown was PM, but Cameron, with his entourage that included Murdoch newspapers inc., soon took it back to the times of “Best of Blair”.

    Maybe H. is right. Maybe he agrees with us, but it just having a bit of fun presenting the “establishment” line. None of us know the truth… historians are still arguing about the numbers killed at Guernica and in the Ho.. (oops, mustn’t talk about that one!)

  163. As ever, habby, it’s you who needs help reading.

    The Polish govt is involved:

    “The Poles have been participating actively in the formation of death squads in Ukraine since September 2013, when Foreign Minister R. Sikorski invited 86 members of the Right Sector to train at the police training center in Legionowo, 23 km from Warsaw. The fighters, who came on the pretext of a university exchange program, were mostly men of around 40; they received a month-long training course in organizing mass protests, erecting barricades, seizing government buildings, street fighting tactics, shooting techniques, including from sniper rifles, etc. The Polish weekly Nie published a photo from Legionowo showing Ukrainian fascists dressed in Nazi uniforms alongside their Polish instructors in civilian clothing.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/polish-death-squads-fighting-in-ukraine-cia-covert-operation/5384210

    Be on the lookout for a chemical weapon false flag, as in Syria.

  164. Thanks Ben, I remember that puerile song well. Very catchy.

  165. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 12:33 am

    “To those doubters, the president’s address offered scant comfort. Reiterating and further tightening a doctrine he laid out in a speech to the United Nations last fall, Mr. Obama said the United States should act unilaterally only in defense of a narrow set of “core interests,” such as the free flow of trade.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/president-obama-in-his-west-point-speech-binds-americas-hands-on-foreign-affairs/2014/05/28/f3db48fe-e66d-11e3-a86b-362fd5443d19_story.html

    Free flow of trade like CNG in Ukraine or BRICS threats to Petrodollars?

  166. Some few Poles almost certainly did operate with the Germans and Banderites in Ukraine in the war after the war to end all wars, as well as Gestapo there were Polish SS/SD and Einsatzgruppen (German Action Group) formations, some voluntarily formed -brutal, but it has been said they exaggerated self-servingly their own effectiveness -these operated in the rear of the Nazi German army after the frontline had moved far forward but before any pseudo-civil administration could hope to function in the captured areas, their job was to deal with partisan activities targetting and security of vulnerable German Eastern front rearguard communications and personnel, partisan atrocities made some such places as dangerous as the real front-line itself, but included damping down internecine slaughter amongst different partisan groups themselves, stopping such violent disorder as suited them, and if possible amongst prisoners and overt partisans to identify and summarily execute Communist Commissars attached to the Red Army, allegedly responsible for field indoctrination of the Russian forces and of civilian populations, the Commissars place in the Red Army hierarchy was high ranking with commensurate powers, the Commissars had a fanaticism and function in Stalin’s armies similar to the SS in Hitler’s, with the Russian forces in between facing the Germans in front and a bullet in the back from the Commissars in their rear should their fighting fervour be insufficient to overcome any residual sense of self-preservation (they can counter that with long-acting drugs these days).

    Populations, borders etc. have been moved around so much wholesale since then that it’s difficult to see this as a new strain of indigenous Polish-Prussian-Ukranian-Galician ugly militarism, as you’re unlikely to be dealing with descendants of the same people, unless its something in their water there; with so many other backers including the UK and US governments, the big thoroughly bad NATO suicide pact, parasitic oligarchs and elites the world over, the PNAC fuckwits, the Grand Delinquent, Prisoner in Cell Block H Blair and so on, that there is plenty of blame to spread thickly around and scrutinise for historical parallels. Inevitably then it could be suggested that the UK must have reverted to inherent fascism, and its not just due to the phony UKIP blip or Foetus Hague squeezing out of his specimen jar to promise a peace to end all peace, if we’d all just follow him wherever –I doubt the UK has regressed in any such a way, the fascists here have never been even briefly OUT of power, but they’re a few rungs down the ladder from their former top position and take orders now rather than giving them.

  167. alan campbell

    29 May, 2014 - 5:58 am

    Anyone read Matthew Syed in the Times today? A great piece:

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4102751.ece

  168. calan ampbell (29 May, 2014 – 5:58 am)

    It seems to be be behind some sort of Paywall, and a Murdochite one at that, I’m not sure if it’s more energetic Muslim demonising or if it’s simply a distractingly controversial story to create lots of noise and heat but very little light, whilst ignoring herds of elephants pouring in through the door, few will want to give any click custom to one of Rupert’s ailing playthings. If they felt it was really important don’t you think they’d want to give it wider circulation than just restricted to the inner-clique of Mr. Murdoch’s Official Fan Club crew. What is your view Mr AC (or can I call you Fred), personally I’m firmly against stoning to death, though think stoners to death ought to be incarcerated till death or cure. It doesn’t seem in any way though like our battle to tell religious fundamentalists in Pakistan what we think ladies should or shouldn’t wear or should or shouldn’t do, we’d achieve a whole lot more in tackling extremism by reining in the Saudis who’ve exported Islamic fundamentalism around the globe with our grinning idiot leaderships’ fawning approval, certainly set up such extremists next door to Pakistan in Afghanistan with the original mujahadeen and their altogether peculiar ideas concerning womens’ rights and I dare say in Pakistan itself the Saudi influence has struck home and penetrated deeply, and willy-nilly droning of them can’t have helped convince them to reform much either. I would say for tolerant islamic heritage peoples, seeing their co-religionists slain in their millions in a series of measures such as murderous blockades and aggressive wars predicated on tissues of lies would also rather tend to harden attitudes, drive them to seek answers from the charlatans and embolden their own extremists buoyed by the trend-bucking reversal in religion’s decay. I would say the secular socialist islamic countries we’ve utterly destroyed, Iraq, Syria, Libya etc. did not have these problems either of dominant religious extremists or repression of women, and the regimes we’ve imposed or tried imposing look altogether worse in this and every respect. When the wests putrid press gets itself into a lather over women’s rights abroad and allows articles like this to appear, I can almost picture the R2P interventionists briefly opening one eye, sniffing the wind, realising its Pakistan and resuming their slumber or playing dead. Palestinian women and for that matter children and men it might have escaped your notice are afforded the least rights, and face daily outrages dangers and death, but I don’t see either Mr Murdoch’s one-ply toilet wipe titles or you daring to highlight that apropos of nothing, or recognise the glaring inconsistency in never doing so.

    “All religions, with their gods, their demi-gods, and their prophets, their messiahs and their saints, were created by the prejudiced fancy of men who had not attained the full development and full possession of their faculties. [...]“

    They’re their nutters mate, over there they stone people, over here ours get elected to Westminster.

    It’s not necessary to even have a view, without our interference this’ll get sorted, with outsiders sticking their neb in, as proven already it does and can only get incomparably worse.

    Condemn it sure, but the sickening hypocrisy and complete lack of any sense of proportion in the behaviour of the collective mass media, which has waged hot bloody war on Islam since decades past is rather hard to stomach. The credibility gap too vast to bridge.

  169. How dare he, he of all people.

    John Kerry tells fugitive Edward Snowden to ‘man up’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27614001

    In one report, he described Edward Snowden as a traitor.

  170. Thanks Brian. She was an amazing woman. It pains me to see that clip of Clinton ‘claiming her’ at his inauguration.

    Maya Angelou, Rachel Corrie and the struggle for justice
    http://www.redressonline.com/2014/05/maya-angelou-rachel-corrie-and-the-struggle-for-justice/

  171. I copied the Independent piece on Bilderberg out last night. I think it is the same as I remember it when first reading it. Still getting the same message on the link????

    Is it the Bilderberg conference – or conspiracy?
    The world’s most powerful people begin their annual meeting on Thursday. So what have they got to hide?
    Tom Harper Author Biography
    Investigations Reporter

    Wednesday 28 May 2014

    Conspiracy theorists may chuckle when they learn a debate entitled “Does Privacy Exist?” is to feature at this year’s Bilderberg conference, the notoriously secretive gathering of the world’s most powerful bankers, politicians and business people.

    There may be a further shaking of heads when they discover one of the participants at the heavily fortified, five-star Marriott Hotel in Copenhagen, Denmark, will be Keith Alexander, the former director of the National Security Agency (NSA), which was embarrassed by the mass-surveillance revelations leaked by Edward Snowden. In fairness to the Bilderberg, the organisers of this year’s conference – which starts on Thursday – have made efforts to be more transparent by publishing a list of all the prime ministers, chief executives and military chiefs in attendance, as well as the topics up for discussion.

    Chancellor George Osborne and his Labour counterpart, Ed Balls, are among the hand-picked group of British politicians who will visit Copenhagen to hob-nob with the global elite behind closed doors.

    Other guests from the political sphere include the former “Third Man” of New Labour, Lord Mandelson, the current International Development Secretary, Justine Greening, and the veteran American foreign policy expert, Henry Kissinger.

    Billionaire captains of industry who landed invitations include the heads of Shell, BP, Airbus, HSBC, Saab, AXA, Google, and Linkedin. They will sit alongside key global powerbrokers such as Christine Lagarde, the head of the International Monetary Fund, and senior officials from the European Central Bank.

    The chairmen from Goldman Sachs and Lazards will perhaps reflect on how their investment banks “advised” Whitehall over the controversial flotation of Royal Mail, which left the UK taxpayer £1bn out of pocket.

    Keeping a discreet eye over the exchanges will be the intelligence chiefs such as Mr Alexander from the United States and Sir John Sawers, the head of MI6, who was pictured on Facebook in his swimming trunks in 2009.

    Items on the agenda include “The future of democracy and the middle-class trap”, “The new architecture of the Middle East” and the major geopolitical crisis of the moment: “Ukraine”. The secretive nature of the Bilderberg Conference has triggered suspicions that the event is used to shape global policy at the expense of democratic oversight. The idea of the euro was said to have been spawned at one meeting in the Nineties.

    Paul Flynn, Labour MP for Newport West, asked a series of parliamentary questions about Bilderberg last year when the conference was held at a five-star hotel near Watford. He told The Independent: “I don’t regard the Bilderberg as a great threat but we would all like to know what is going on with these things. Secrecy inspires concern.”

    Despite its new efforts at transparency, the conference is still acutely sensitive about radical infiltration. On Tuesday night, three journalists – self-styled “InfoWarriors” – were arrested by Danish police after they tried to ambush the organisers outside the Marriott.

    Unfortunately for Hannah Borno, a British freelance journalist staying in the hotel, she was spotted exchanging words with the “InfoWarriors” earlier in the day, which caused her stay to be prematurely cut short. She said: “As my husband and I prepared to go to bed we were confronted by a hotel member of staff and a member of security. They said we had been seen talking to some people earlier who had been asked to leave, and for the safety of the staff they had been advised to ask us to leave.”

    ends

    I assume the photo is of the hotel. http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9449462.ece/alternates/w620/pg-6-bilderberg-v2.jpg

  172. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 8:57 am

    one of the items on the Bilderberger agenda was “The Challenge of Africa” but as far as I could see there was nobody from Africa invited. These people are a lot more dangerous than Paul Flynn thinks they are.

    Would have liked to have been a fly on the wall at that one. Any secretive (and by heck they’re secretive) group of politicians and globalists is going to attract conspiracy theorists, but in the case of Bilderberg, there’s a lot it’s not explaining about its activities, and a covert agenda is strongly indicated. Proof is missing, thanks in part to the group’s magical ability to silence even those reporters it invites to its meetings. “The Challenge of Africa” may have been considered in the context of the scramble for Africa’s resources – and if so, no actual Africans would have been required to attend.

    Lacking proof, here’s some history by way of background -

    http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/news-2013-06-11.html

    David Rockefeller expressed his gratitude to the “free press” of the democratic nations for their silence when he addressed a secretive reunion of Bilderberg in Sand, Germany in June 1991. The following is a translation from the French journal “Minute” of June 19th 1991. “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our re-union and have respected their promises of discretion for almost four decades….

    …It would not have been possible to develop our world project if we bad been subjected to the full fire of publicity all these years. But the world is now more sophisticated and disposed to move towards a world government which will not know war but only peace and prosperity for all mankind….

    …The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and of world bankers is surely preferable to the self-determination which has been practised for centuries past.”

    *blood running cold*…ok, it probably isn’t a continuation of the Nazis’ dream of owning Europe. And these remarks were very much ‘allegedly’; they’re disputed. But Bilderberg attracts some very powerful people, and quite a few of our democratically elected leaders – some of whom (Blair) try to conceal their attendance. It’s not a conspiracy to rule the world, or even half of it. It’s a forum for people who already rule a good bit of the world to work out ways of ruling more of it, without any inconvenient reference to the potentially ruled. This piece gives a better flavour:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/10/bilderberg-2011-charlie-skelton

  173. Army training scheme for long-term unemployed may be extended…

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/29/army-training-scheme-unemployed

    Yet thousands of regular soldiers are being made redundant…

    Hmmmmmmmm.

  174. Phrases I noted were ‘The new architecture of the Middle East’ (are they not evil considering what realities lie behind that description?) and ‘the major geopolitical crisis of the moment: “Ukraine’.

    A ‘crisis’ implies a remote cause, a happening. This one has been worked on over years – no doubt at Builder’s Burg in part. Endless war, endless blood, endless tears in the eyes of Mummies and their children. Shukran Mr Mandelsohn aka The Third Man and nephew of Herbert Morrison. The Talmud lives in him.

    Just to remind ourselves of the tentacles, the Scottish ‘rite’ etc.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_President_of_the_Council

    Slime was President of the Privy Council. I did not know that Clegg is now. Note Reid. Note Ashton. See that Clegg has special responsibility for constitutional and political reform. Ironic or what?

    The attendees are here although I have not looked at the lists. Feel sick enough already.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/bilderberg-2014-list-of-participants-mingling-of-military-intel-politicians-finance-oil-media-academia-and-neocon-think-tanks/5384179

  175. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 9:29 am

    Europe’s fucked. But there’s one man alone who can save it.

    http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/tony-blair-calls-for-a-grand-bargain-to-rescue-europe/

    So designing this new union will be very difficult. Let me make a few quick reflections. A Europe wide election for the Presidency of the Commission or Council is the most direct way to involve the public. An election for a big post held by one person* – this people can understand. The problem with the European Parliament is that though clearly democratically elected, my experience is people don’t feel close to their MEP’s. This could change but only if the European Parliament and National parliaments interact far more closely.

    The 21st Century case for Europe is based not on war or peace but on power or irrelevance.

    *Me, you bloody morons. Who else?

  176. So what if a world is defined by a global elite, what an opportunity.!

  177. “Me, you bloody morons. Who else?”

    Well spotted. He always was an elected dictator and wants another chance at it. He is a megalomaniac funded by big banking. Together with Obama one of the most dangerous animals on the planet.

    Obama said yesterday words to the effect that just because we have the biggest hammer it does not mean that every problem is a nail. The USS Bataan is currently off the shores of Libya offering support to the CIA-sponsored new puppet, Haster, or Hister, or Hitler or something. I’m sure Nostradamus had something to say about this character.

    “We’re going to hit this nail right on the head” said Obama.

  178. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 10:01 am

    Rather depends on who’s defining ‘elite’, no?

    Something rather strange is going on, though. Here are all these big fat organisations, dedicated to squeezing the maximum leverage from every tiny individual transaction, pursuing a global collectivist brotherhood agenda. The only difference from theoretical Marxism is that not even lip service is being paid to the fair distribution of wealth. And that’s just a minor detail, isn’t it?

  179. This is the only recent link to Bilderberg on the BBC website from a search.

    The voice of reason aka David Aaronovitch is called on by Andrew Neil to squelch the idea that conspiracy theories exist. Tony Gosling gets in a contribution. Bilderberg at the end. He refers to it as Nato’s political arm and dangerous.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26871156

  180. The bilderberg does Seem a global franchise but they are in the driving seat and can apply the brakes to slow growth and add quality to both the individual and the collective, through education and engineering.

    We are becoming obese in the west and yet children go hungary elseware.
    You mean wealth distribution.

    What magazines do you read?

  181. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 11:18 am

    hungary elseware.

    You mean “hungry elsewhere”

    You mean wealth distribution.

    Which is exactly why I said “distribution of wealth”

    they are in the driving seat and can apply the brakes to slow growth…

    Given that every capitalist involved, (and the leaders we, not they, elected) is howling for more growth, that would seem to remain in the realm of remote possibility.

    and add quality to both the individual and the collective, through education and engineering.

    We need a worldwide cabal of corporations to do that? Define quality. More stuff I don’t need? More frittering away finite resources on shiny things for idiots?

  182. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 11:45 am

    What magazines do you read?

    Private Eye. Which has far more (verified) material on City/government scams than Newsweek or your probable favourite, the Hedge Fund Journal. Recommended, unquestionably.

  183. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 12:24 pm

    Mary

    “Is Habbabkuk psychotic? The aggressive, hostile and abusive posts come in batches. They are not typed on to the blog directly but assembled elsewhere and then arrive like machine gun fire all together. A very strange mind is at work.”

    ______________________

    Psychotic? I don’t think so, Mary: my rabbi tells me that for someone who’s been exposed to the insane mutterings from thi blog for over a year now, I’m really remarkably sane.

    As to the “batches”, I believe it’s you who may be losing it, Mary. The explanation is quite simple : unlike you, I don’t spend all day crouched before the PC and so have to reply to the various insanities in batches after I’ve caught up. Simples! :)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Ref High Down, state run as if that makes a difference to what I was pointing out (the high incidence of mental illness amongst the prisoners), probably holds about 3.5% ex military personnel in its population.”

    ______________________

    No, of course the fact that HMP High Down is state and not privately run doesn’t invalidate what you were pointing out: I fully agree with you that a lot more attention should be paid to pyschiatric problems among prisoners and that former soldiers with problems of any sort deserve more help than they’re apparently getting at present.

    It was just that since you’ve often commented on the iniquity of the govt allowing privately-run prisons to be built, and that you also commented negatively on what sometimes goes on in them, I thought it was worth while getting you to admit that HMP High Down (which you slammed) was not a privately-run prison but a state one; thee point being to demonsrate that the ills of the modern prison system (to which you point, correctly)have perhaps little to do with who runs them.

  184. Israel, Saudi ‘royal’ and Washington Post obsession with Iran and Syria.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/05/28/saudi-prince-meets-israeli-war-criminals/

  185. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 12:37 pm

    John Goss

    “And H as regards the imprisonment of Moazzam Begg I shall be saying a few words from the floor tomorrow night about this wrongful removal of freedom (29th May) I’ll be there. What about you?”
    ______________________

    Well, if I were in the vicinity I’d have no objection in principle to coming along……but I’m not. But thx anyway.

  186. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 12:41 pm

    From his meeting with Merkel in Berlin, to sort out the EU presidency, on to Zurich yesterday to pick up some cash from one of his employers. Used notes only, please. Gotta pay for that charter jet somehow, y’know.

    http://zrh-spotter.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/aravco-ltd-glex-g-ceyl.html

  187. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 12:42 pm

    David Lawton (22h14, 28 May)

    So you believe that the events in Kiev were/are a Jewish conspiracy.

    OK, noted.

    And thank you for providing me with background and context for the way you “think”; this will be useful for my evaluation of your comments on this and other topics in the future.

    Keep taking the tablets.

  188. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    Before Berlin, Sweden. Landed in Stockholm at 2135 local time on the 25th May, to deliver this drivel to Swedish TV, among other things…*

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-european-elections-tony-blair

    * I wondered, too. Globalising the Palestinians, that’s what -

    http://www.quartetrep.org/quartet/pages/the-initiative-for-the-palestinian-economy

  189. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildung
    Market forces and corporations have the ability to change and improve the quality of the decisions they make.

    Absolutely agree about economic growth, quality of growth not quantity.

    Less is more attitude.

  190. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    Herbie

    You are pernicious, but your stupidity is your “saving grace” (if I can use the word “grace” in the same sentence as your name).

    “As ever, habby, it’s you who needs help reading.

    The Polish govt is involved:

    “The Poles have been participating actively in the formation of death squads in Ukraine since September 2013, when Foreign Minister R. Sikorski invited 86 members of the Right Sector to train at the police training center in Legionowo, 23 km from Warsaw. The fighters, who came on the pretext of a university exchange program, were mostly men of around 40; they received a month-long training course in organizing mass protests, erecting barricades, seizing government buildings, street fighting tactics, shooting techniques, including from sniper rifles, etc. The Polish weekly Nie published a photo from Legionowo showing Ukrainian fascists dressed in Nazi uniforms alongside their Polish instructors in civilian clothing.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/polish-death-squads-fighting-in-ukraine-cia-covert-operation/5384210
    _________________

    Find better sources for your bilge, Herbie.

    1/. I have already given readers the lowdown in the Californian “Global Research” outfit. Suffice it to say that they are hardly disinterested and that they manage to perform the unlikely feat of making our regular commenter “Ben Gadfly” sound almost sane and balanced.

    2/. Herbie’s source (Global Research) refers to a photo published in a Polish magazine called “Nie” (=”No”).

    “Nie” is a left-wing, anti-Conservative and anti-clerical weekly tabloid which started up in 1990 after the Communists had been finally kicked out once and for all. Its circulation is small.

    Its founder and present editor is one Jerzy Urban, surely well-known to all who were following the Polish scene in the 1980s and before. Urban was and is a slimy chap, well-enough in with the Communist govt to have been a prominent govt spokesman from 1981 to 1989. Among his ‘feats” were to write, in September 1984, a column called “Seanse nienawisc” (= “Hate session”) in which he criticised Father Jerzy Popielwuszko as an “anti-Communist Savonarola”. Father Popielwuszko was murdered a couple of weeks later; in 1986 he masterminded a media story (within Poland)to the effect that the CIA had “betrayed” the Solidarity movement.

    So you see, Herbie, this is why I believe you have been posting bilge again. The only question – not, I admit, a very i,etersting or important one – is whether you know it to be bilge (in which case you’re a mendacious cunt) or whether you believe it (in which case you’re an ignorant cunt).

    My apologies to cunts.

  191. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 1:30 pm

    Market forces and corporations have the ability to change and improve the quality of the decisions they make.

    Unfortunately (a) they do not make decisions with the general good in mind, but their own, and why should they? (b) they have no idea of the long term effects of their decisions, and how can they? (c) they may not actually have a clue anyway (see banks, 2008)

    I mean, we all have the ability to change and improve…etc… It’s just that commercial operations have less incentive than anyone else to do so for the public good. Money in the proles’ pockets is money missing from their accounts. A cheap and desperate workforce means more profits than a well-rewarded and motivated one. (though some companies, smaller ones generally, are beginning to realise that this is not an absolute truth)

    Market forces currently demand that the maximum return is wrung from every product, every undertaking to supply a product, and every distant undertaking to trade some advantage derived from agreeing to buy that product, etcetera etcetera. Which means that the producer gets bottom dollar for his product in order to boost the numbers in the offshore account of someone wholly unconnected with his business. Businesses have the power not to trade in derivatives, not to create present wealth for themselves at the expense of the future earnings of poorly-paid produsers. And do they refrain? Do they buggery. Instead they form lobbying blocs like Bilderberg to cajole or coerce governments to still further loosen market controls.

    They could, Jay. The possibility might be said to be there. But they manifestly don’t. And usually claim that they can’t

  192. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 1:33 pm

    “Shukran Mr Mandelsohn aka The Third Man and nephew of Herbert Morrison. The Talmud lives in him.”
    _________________________

    I like the “h” you gifted to Mandelson, but it would be interesting to hear you* expand a little on your expression “the Talmud lives in him”.

    * You can delegate this task to Mr Scorgie or one of your other Children if you wish

  193. Oh HabbyFlubbyWubby,

    And there was you chastising me for ‘intemperate’ language just yesterday!

    Tut tut.

    Surely youre not cracking under the pressure of maintaining your multiple sockpuppet positions?

    Dont forget youve already been banned from this blog before…

  194. @Habbabkuk

    ‘…my rabbi tells me that for someone who’s been exposed to the insane mutterings from this blog for over a year now, I’m really remarkably sane.’

    Mate, I think you need a new rabbi – your current one is clearly bonkers!

  195. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:21 pm

    KoWN

    “Mate, I think you need a new rabbi – your current one is clearly bonkers!”
    _________________

    Not according to HIS rabbis, he isn’t :)

    ***************

    PS – could you see your way to doing anything about Jives? He clearly needs help…

  196. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:23 pm

    Jives

    Bit early in the day for your tosh, isn’t it?

    I thought you were a creature of the night? :)

    Or the bottle :) :)

  197. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:27 pm

    Jives

    I think you’ve been rumbled, Jonathan:

    “I see we have a worthy replacement for Fedup as blog piss-head in the form of Jives.”

    (from the perspicacious Anon, on the previous thread)

  198. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:39 pm

    From the Wit and Wisdom of Jives

    Found this on the previoud thread (yesterday at 23h22), Jives obviously liubering up for a sinister night session….:

    “Sinister HabbyWubbyBubbyTubby,

    No i aint a socialist;Skinner and Benn never interested me.

    I am 106 years old.

    Page 1 of The Sockpuppet Troll manual dictates the need to use deceit abd subterfuge.

    I busted you on your first post here,renember?

    Obviously still rankles with you doesnt it? Your whole fake mission was blown.

    Guess thats why you resort to sinister gang-stalking of certain posters eh?

    Now go and change your string vest will ya?

    You are the Rupert Pupkin of this blog.”
    __________________

    Men in flapping white coats enter stage left…..

  199. HabbyFloppyPupkin,

    Your little mask is slipping day by day…

    Now go and change yer string vest will ya?

  200. Did Craig’s post assist in movong things along?

    BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq

    ‘Agreement’ on Blair-Bush documents
    Tony Blair with President George W. Bush in 2003 photo
    The Iraq inquiry says it is closer to agreement over publication of communications between Tony Blair and President Bush.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27625117

    BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq

    BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq

    Three times for the post and three cheers for Craig!

  201. I see the toddling troll got his places bottom and top of the pages. Totally puerile.

    PS Overuse of emoticons too!

  202. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 2:44 pm

  203. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:48 pm

    Mary

    “I see the toddling troll got his places bottom and top of the pages. Totally puerile.”
    ________________

    Mille excuses, Marie!

    Next time I shall ask for your permission first as I know it’s your blog.

    ************************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  204. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:51 pm

    Gadfly

    “What connections can be made between these two stories?

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/mystery-in-belgium

    http://carolineglick.com/pope-franciss-unfriendly-visit/
    ________________________

    None, I should say.

    Please give my £5 prize for the correct answer to your nearest charity (excluding yourself)

  205. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 2:55 pm

  206. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    I dedicate the following limerick to my friend Jives.

    “Whenever a fellow called Rex
    Flashed his very small organ of sex,
    He always got off,
    For the judges would scoff,
    De minimis non curat lex.”

  207. Troll @.1.23pm

    ’1/. I have already given readers the lowdown in the Californian “Global Research” outfit. Suffice it to say that they are hardly disinterested and that they manage to perform the unlikely feat of making our regular commenter “Ben Gadfly” sound almost sane and balanced.’

    Wrong on several counts. Global Research is based in Canada. .ca at the end of a domain name stands for Canada not California. Duh! The site owner is Professor Michel Chossudovsky, son of a Russian émigré, the career United Nations diplomat and academic Evgeny Chossudovsky (1914–2006). Michel is highly intelligent, widely travelled and extremely well informed. He is also a very nice human being.

    This is the obituary he wrote for his father.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/evgeny-chossudovsky-writer-with-a-distinguished-un-career/1955

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

  208. Lovely stuff here, The sweaty BLiar being repeatedly asked about Bilderberg?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyWN5knSqUk

    ~~

    Something rotten in the state of Denmark. The head of the serpent etc.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI50FhrygPI

  209. בית ספר

    29 May, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    Goodness, self-determination of peoples going from strength to strength lately

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.be/2014/05/speech-of-hezbollah-secretary-general.html

  210. Oh HabbyPloppyFlubby.

    That limerick is so fiendishly clever!

    And you writing it sitting there in your string vest too!

    Top o’ the class for you Habby,let none doubt it!

  211. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 3:22 pm

    As there are many Scottish readers of this blog – and a fair number of Nationalists among them – I take great pleasure in bringing a few verses of Anthony Powell’s “Caledonia” to their attention.

    When reading, think back to some of the comments about independence on here. All comments welcome if in verse. SKN : this is how proper pastiche is done…

    Enjoy.

    “Pacing with Bag-Pipe in a bosky Square,
    One morn a Piper rent the vernal air,
    Dispelling by his savage, baleful Strains
    That Freudian Pageantry, which Night-tome gains.
    (He wore a garb deprived of all amenity,
    Save fir vile jest and Smoking-Room obscenity.)
    And heark’ning to the Pibroch’s raucous Note,
    Bursting as if from tortur’d porcine Throat,
    To Reverie did errant Fancy yield,
    Of Pinkie, Solway Moss and Flodden Field,
    And of a Race, whose Thought and Word and Deed
    Have made a new INFERNO north of Tweed,
    Where they can practise in that chilly HELL
    Vices that sicken; Virtues that repel.
    Did they remain among such unthaw’d Latitudes,
    And Scot with Scot alone exchanged his Platitudes,
    Travellers but few would mark their stinted Bonhomie,
    And smile to see each finicking Oeconomy.
    Alack! They ever stream through ENGLAND’S door
    To batten on the Rich , and grind the Poor,
    With furtive Eye and eager, clutching hand
    They pass like Locusts through the Southern Land:
    And line their purses with the yellow Gold,
    Which for each Scotchman, London’s pavements hold,
    And in return, no matter where you find ‘em
    They brag of Scotland, now left safe behind ‘em.

    What are this Race whose pride so rudely burgeons?
    Second-t-rate Engineers and obscure Surgeons,
    Pedant-Philosophers and Fleet Street hacks,
    With ev’ry Quality that Genius lacks:
    Such Mediocrity was ne’er on view,
    Bolster’d by tireless Scottish ballyhoo-
    Nay! In two Qualities they stand supreme:
    Their Self-advertisement and Self-esteem.
    ………
    ………

    etc

  212. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    “Wrong on several counts. Global Research is based in Canada. .ca at the end of a domain name stands for Canada not California. Duh! The site owner is Professor Michel Chossudovsky,

    ___________________

    Yes, of course you’re right. My apologies, but it is often diffcult to distinguish between the inmates of the asylum.

  213. Royals sent on PR trip to Scotland.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-27618396

    Are they ‘in it together’ and/or ‘better together’ perhaps?

  214. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 3:31 pm

    Mary

    Any thoughts on “Nie” magazine – cited by Global Research – and on its fragrant editor, Mr Jerzy Urban?

    High or low credibility as far as your eagle eye is concerned?

  215. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    At 1039 0n the 25th, if my lack of Swedish does not betray me, G-CEYL departed Stockholm for Malmo (life’s too short to go looking for umlauts). Where, no doubt coincidentally, Tony Blair popped up again, unreported by the English-language press. -

    http://www.sydsvenskan.se/malmo/tony-blair-besoker-malmo-ikvall/

    An e-beer to anyone who can tell me what he was doing?

    Takk to those Stockholm planespotters, btw.

  216. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    Sorry, that was May 26, sometime around 1000 hrs. Language problem here.

  217. doug scorgie

    29 May, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    Mary
    29 May, 2014 – 2:42 pm

    “BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq”

    Don’t cheer too soon Mary:

    “The inquiry has revealed that an agreement has been reached on what type of “gists and quotes” will be released from 25 notes and 130 records of conversations between Blair and Bush. However, the inquiry and government have not yet decided exactly which ones will be published. There is also now a deal on releasing a small number of extracts from the most “critical” minutes of more than 200 cabinet-level discussions.”

    “The Chilcot inquiry had requested the full content of correspondence between Blair and Bush but appears to have watered down its demands and accepted that the gist of the conversations will be “sufficient to explain our conclusions”.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/29/gist-tony-blair-talks-george-bush-iraq-war-chilcot-inquiry

    We will be none the wiser Mary and the partial release of quotes and “gists” will only lead to conspiracy theories which can then be laughed off as CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!!!!

  218. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 3:59 pm

    What’s Sweden’s extradition treaty with the Hague, Ba’al?

    E-beer for me?

  219. There was a young gadfly called Habby
    Whose views grew increasingly crabby
    When asked: Do your henchmen
    Oppress untermenschen?
    His response was fascisticallly stabby.

  220. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 4:12 pm

    ” The main theme was Europe, where an engaged Tony Blair announced a “framework for action” in five points. To meet the future ought Europe” (? Which Europe ought to follow?)

    Google Translate is my friend. Wonder why he’s selling his globalist snake oil in Malmo?

    http://malmoborssallskap.se/

    And who the hell are Malmoborssallskap? It seems to be a local business group. But it’s invited Clinton before now…can’t see Scunthorpe Rotarians doing that.

  221. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 4:26 pm

    It was a paid speaking engagement, but why the secrecy? Bush/Cheney would follow the same MO, amirite?

    More beer please.

  222. Britains got talent, Mike?…;)

    It looks like TB and those accused of using information gained for torture seem to determine the extend of what is released by Chilcot, not him.
    Is the devil in charge of hells heat, or is it Tony?

  223. meant to say from torture

  224. yeah, nevermind — the “gist” of the talks between Bush and Blair. That simply is not good enough.

  225. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 4:37 pm

    “You can live on Soylent alone, Mr. Rhinehart claims, though in practice he said customers would most likely use it to replace just their “staple meals,” by which he meant most of the junk you eat every day to fill yourself up. Mr. Rhinehart argued that Soylent, which costs about $3 per serving, is cheaper, easier to prepare and more nutritious than much of the food that makes up the typical American officer worker’s diet today.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/technology/personaltech/the-soylent-revolution-will-not-be-pleasurable.html

    I think the brand-name needs some work if it’s gonna sell.

  226. Ha. Yeah, Ben, Soylent does have some unpleasant associations. Surely planet Earth isn’t so overcrowded that we need autophagic assistance.

    I think Blair would eat himself if he was made of chocolate. Perhaps we should all partake in the mystic transubstantiation of god made flesh. Or is he the Golden Calf?

  227. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 4:53 pm

    Mike; Golden hemorrhoids seems an appropriate affliction for Blair.

    http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/more-bible-lolz-gods-golden-hemorrhoids/

    “The term “emerods” has been construed variously—boils, “buboes” (the swellings from plague), anal fistulas, and so on, but to me the translation that makes the most sense is “hemorrhoids,” not only because of the similar sound (so that the translators thought that’s what the word meant), but because they’re in the Philistines’ “secret parts.”

    Lacking Preparation H, the Philistines asked their priests what to do to rid themselves of their afflictions. The priests tell them to return the ark to the Israelites, but along with it they have to send a treasure: five golden mice and five golden images of hemorrhoids (1 Samuel 6):”

  228. Baal @ 4.12:

    “Wonder why he’s selling his globalist snake oil in Malmo?”

    Well, we may all wonder, but what really puzzles me is why anybody buys it!

  229. Comments deleted.

    Any feedback?

    No.

    Linking to the UK Electoral Commission is now prohibited?

    Yes.

    Censored. Muffled. Gagged.

    These are the tricks of control to keep the debate, pure. Unspoilt.

    Like an unspoilt vote.

  230. doug scorgie

    29 May, 2014 - 5:17 pm

    “Princesses Sahar and Jawaher, daughters of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, have been denied access to food for more than 60 days and have limited access to water. The two sisters have been held under house arrest in Jeddah for more than 10 years by their father, as they are out of favour.”

    “I have raised the case with the foreign secretary, William Hague, as well as with David Cameron at prime minister’s questions and in correspondence.”

    “…both he and the Foreign Office have subsequently indicated that they are not prepared make representations to the Saudi authorities.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/28/saudi-princesses-need-uk-support

    This doesn’t surprise me. The same was true under Blair and then Brown and the same would be true under Ed Miliband if he became prime minister.

    Bastards; every one.

  231. Habbabkuk

    Your certificate of sanity seems to derive from an infinite regress of self-diagnosing rabbi shrinks – in psychiatrical terms, that’s the equivalent of taking in each other’s washing, isn’t it?

  232. People who read and contribute to this blog should be very grateful to habbakuk for his higher level of education, superior intelligence and his wonderful ability to correct the misunderstandings that many of us foolishly believe. Without him we would think that Israel’s occupation of Palestine is NOT such a good thing and we wouldn’t know that they care for the Palestinians with such devotion. Those jolly decent settler types even save the Palestinians from the toil of having to harvest their crops.
    Believing that the various governments in the world don’t hold its citizens as the number one priority would be dangerous indeed. Of course, finding out that we are all totally wrong, fooled and misguided hurts a little but in the long run we’ll thank him. I even believed that the current Ukraine problem was started by the legitimately elected officials being removed by (western financed) violent extremist mobs.
    I’ll go and send some food parcels now to those poor souls, the Syrian rebels who are only trying to persuade the population that an extreme version of Islam will be better for them. Some people are never happy.
    His corrections and persistent appeals for compelling evidence to support our crazy notions help focus our minds. His devils advocate mode is particularly impressive.
    Thanks a lot habbabkuk, what would we do without your enlightened contributions?

  233. Doug V disappointing on Chilcot. Perhaps I was correct in the beginning by describing it as a theatrical. And what has it cost so far? > £7m?

  234. Report: Israel suspends soldier after Palestinian teens killed
    Published today 18:28

    A screenshot from video footage showing the killing of two
    Palestinian teenagers during a Nakba Day protest.(MaanImages/DCI)

    JERUSALEM (AFP) — Israel’s army has suspended a non-combat soldier seen firing his weapon during a Nakba Day protest this month in which two unarmed Palestinian teenagers were killed, a newspaper reported Thursday.

    The report was published in Haaretz amid a military police probe into footage from two CCTV cameras that appeared to show the shooting of the two teens was unprovoked, taking place during a lull in the clashes.

    The shooting took place during a day of protests on May 15 as Palestinians marked the “Nakba”, or catastrophe, in which over 700,000 Palestinians were displaced or forced into exile during the creation of Israel.

    Haaretz said the soldier had been spotted on CNN footage released last week, firing “what appeared to be a rubber bullet” at around the same time the first of the two teenagers was shot.

    But it said there was no proof his shot was responsible for killing of Musaab Nuwarah.

    “The IDF has found no evidence proving that this soldier’s bullet caused Nuwarah’s death,” it said.

    /…
    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=700919

    But nothing will happen. Nobody will be punished and the BBC will issue an ‘Israel says’ version. Note the one ‘suspended’ was a ‘non combat’ soldier.

  235. I did not know that a wreath was laid by the Pope at the grave of Herzl. Disgusting. I suppose his friend, the Argentinian Rabbi Skorka who accompanied him, helped the Zionists to achieve that manoeuvre.

    May 29, 2014

    Papal Tour a Fizzer – The Fence-Sitting Pope
    by VACY VLANZA

    When I was a kid we had fun letting off firecrackers. Most had quite an impact – going off with a mighty bang. A few were weak, feeble and fizzled out. We called them ‘fizzers’. The pope’s tour was a fence-sitting fizzer for truth and for Palestinian justice.

    Still, Palestinians were warned in advance by the Vatican that the tour had “no political agenda” it was simply a pilgrimage. A pilgrimage, apart from the usual Christian holy sites, to the grave of Theodor Herzl where, flanked by two war criminals, Netanyahu and Peres, Francis, the Vicar of Christ, laid a giant wreath in honour of the mastermind of Zionism that unleashed the atrocities of the Nakba committed by Jewish terrorist militia; the massacres, rapes, looting, demolition of 500 Palestinian villages and the forced deportations and dispossession of 750,000 indigenous Palestinians from their beloved land…a paltry three years after the holocaust.

    What a feather in the Zionist cap! A Catholic pope honouring Herzl the Zionist atheist! Francis’ rabbi friend, Abraham Skorka was spot on when he noted that it ‘could be understood as a nod to Zionism’. It was much more than a nod. For the gleeful Netanyahu gang, it was an imprimatur on the expansionism of Greater Israel negating Francis’ two-state solution.

    /..
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/29/the-fence-sitting-pope/

  236. These villagers appear to be amazingly patient. How about the local authority only recording a crash if there is injury, ie one out of the 24 that have occurred so far this year.

    Nether Haugh: Death fears over B6089 crash road
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-27620640

    Their MP, Sarah Champion Lab Rotherham, is on the HoC Transport Committee!!

  237. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 7:10 pm

    Andy

    “Thanks a lot habbabkuk, what would we do without your enlightened contributions?”
    ________________

    And my thanks to you as well, Andy. But I’m not entirely sure that I should take your thanks seriously (any more than you should take mine seriously) since I believe I recognise your moniker and seem to remember that I’ve had occasion to set you right on a couple of matters in the past. I can’t remember the exact comments of yours which I had to correct but I do hope I didn’t have to be too brutal when demolishing you?

    *********************

    Habbabkuk cleans up the vilest sewers. Use liberally.

  238. More about the hypocrisy at the Mansion House.

    Try to Contain Your Laughter: Prince Charles and Lady de Rothschild Team Up to Talk About ‘Inclusive Capitalism’

    Lady de Rothschild Speaks on Bloomberg News About the Inclusive Capitalism Conference

    Now that the worldwide Occupy Wall Street protest movement has been beaten, pepper-sprayed, mass-arrested and hog-tied into submission; now that assorted financial luminaries have exhorted corporate media to stop giving air time to people calling bankers evil; it’s now safe for the 1 percent to take over the debate – or so the thinking goes in London.

    Prince Charles, who lives in four mansions in England, Scotland and Wales, delivered the opening speech yesterday for a conference on “Inclusive Capitalism” hosted by Lady de Rothschild, wife of multi-billionaire Sir Evelyn Robert de Rothschild, in the heart of financial skulduggery, the City of London, Wall Street’s alter ego.

    Rounding out the day’s speakers were former President Bill Clinton, who repealed the depression era investor protection legislation known as the Glass-Steagall Act which deregulated Wall Street and is widely blamed for the 2008 financial collapse and for ushering in the greatest wealth inequality in America since the Gilded Age; and former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers who helped Clinton muscle through the deregulatory legislation. (You can see the full-day agenda here.)

    The lurking undertone of the conference was not so much a noblesse oblige gesture to spread the wealth as it was an effort to address the growing anxiety among the well-heeled that if they don’t step up their PR game, government and/or a populist revolution is going to take the reins – and possibly their heads.

    Lady de Rothschild (Lynn Forester) summed up the anxiety the day before in an interview with Bloomberg News, saying it’s “really dangerous when business is viewed as one of society’s problems.” She noted further that 61 percent of Britons say they will elect the party “that is toughest on big business.”

    The web site of the Inclusive Capitalism Initiative which sponsored the conference adds this note to explain its motivations: “To avoid heavy-handed government interference in the banking sector, a revolution in management, supervision and ethics is required.”

    /..
    http://www.blacklistednews.com/Try_to_Contain_Your_Laughter%3A_Prince_Charles_and_Lady_de_Rothschild_Team_Up_to_Talk_About_%E2%80%98Inclusive_Capitalism%E2%80%99/35566/0/0/0/Y/M.html

  239. The sick making agenda. Look at the participants in the panels.

    http://www.inclusivecapitalism.org/conference-2014/agenda/

    They followed with some nice cocktails and then dinner. We are not told about the menu.

    Q Do they have another conference later on in the year entitled ‘Exclusive Capitalism’?

  240. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 8:16 pm

    Yes, let’s put all the cards on the table…

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38630.htm

    “Small wonder that Putin and his associates were prospecting for powerful new friends ten years ago – first and foremost, China. And, the West kept providing the Kremlin with new incentives as NATO recruiters remained aggressive. NATO heads of state, meeting in Bucharest in April 2008, declared: “NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO.”

    That led to some very foolish adventurism on the part of former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, who had been listening to the wrong people in Washington and thought he could play tough with the rebellious regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, including attacks on Russian peacekeeping troops. Russian forces gave the Georgians what Moscow normally calls a “resolute rebuff.”

    The 2008 declaration of NATO’s intent is still on the books, however. And recent events in Ukraine, as a violent putsch overthrew elected President Yanukovych and installed a pro-Western regime in Kiev, became the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.

    During an interview with CNBC on May 23, 2014, President Putin bemoaned the still-pending NATO expansion in the context of Ukraine: “Coup d’état takes place, they refuse to talk to us. So we think the next step Ukraine is going to take, it’s going to become a NATO member. They’ve refused to engage in any dialogue. We’re saying military, NATO military infrastructure is approaching our borders; they say not to worry, it has nothing to do with you. But tomorrow Ukraine might become a NATO member, and the day after tomorrow missile defense units of NATO could be deployed in this country.”

    Putin raised the issue again on May 24, accusing the West of ignoring Russia’s interests – in particular, by leaving open the possibility that Ukraine could one day join NATO. “Where is the guarantee that, after the forceful change of power, Ukraine will not tomorrow end up in NATO?” Putin wanted to know.”

  241. More rot from the LDs.

    Lord Rennard Says Sorry To ‘Harassment’ Women
    The ex-Lib Dem peer goes against his earlier refusal to apologise by saying he regrets “harm and embarrassment” to four women.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1271625/lord-rennard-says-sorry-to-harassment-women

    A third hand apology which does not sound sincere gives no satisfaction under the law to the four women. They should sue him or the partei for damages.

  242. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 9:32 pm

    The Reluctant POTUS; at least we have that going for us.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/28/obama-s-flawed-vision-of-the-world.html

    “The same goes for venturing anew into the Syrian swamp. Obama is now moving to provide moderate rebels in Syria with overt training from U.S. special operation forces in addition to the covert aid presently fed by the CIA. That move will make sense only if the White House formulates a viable strategy for Syria. Right now, its strategy of upending President Bashar Assad makes no sense. If he’s not winning, he’s certainly not losing. And no amount of projected aid to the moderate rebels will change that unfortunate but unarguable fact.

    Thus, Obama either will have to change his means and provide massive aid to these rebels, which he will not do, or he will have to change his goal of eliminating Assad. This may well surprise experts, but senior administration officials tell me that Obama has been modifying his objective and is now prepared to work with Assad, to some degree, along with the moderate rebels, against what the White House finally has come to see as the real and major threat—the jihadists. These senior officials further say that they expect support in this new policy from previous opponents, i.e. from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states. Let us hope that this is true.

  243. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 10:08 pm

    “Remarkably, Snowden had made claims about going through channels prior to this exclusive interview. The NSA had denied that any paper trail showing communications existed.”

    http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/05/29/email-released-by-us-intelligence-to-undermine-snowdens-claims-about-going-through-channels-but-does-it/

  244. I’m surprised there have been no responses to Ben/anyone regarding Obama’s “We’ve won, world, get over it… now just do as you are told and we won’t get angry” speech?

    1251 responses have been logged to this Guardian article:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/28/obama-foreign-policy-shift-speech-west-point

  245. Habbabkuk

    You know those tasty bits of skin on take-away chicken wings you don’t really want to eat? You are the feathers from them.

  246. Gist of the thing.

    Blair to Bush: ” You know those bits of hair in my stools, don’t worry about them. I only chew my tail because I’m bored filling in for the, you know, UK Conservatives, until another of your poodles can get them back in.”

    Bush to Blair: ” Listen Benn, oil is in Iraq. It’s our oil. Get up on your pulpit in the mother of parliaments and explain it to them. Understand? “

  247. Chilcott caved. I’m sad, but not surprised. Clearly the pressure from the US was serious indeed, one wonders quite how serious. It’s all rather depressing really. And the fact that the Tories put a spanner in the works is weird indeed, and makes me go all conspiratorial; those letters must have been damning indeed. We’ll find out in 100 years, after we are all dead, of course.

  248. The Bear and the Bees

    Once upon a time, a bear was stung by a bee. This made him so angry, he ran into the bee-garden and, without stopping to think, kicked over all the beehives in furious revenge. This made all the bees very angry as well, and they flew at him, and stung him in a thousand places and he wished he had never gone near them.

    Moral:
    It is silly to pay back someone for one injury, if by doing so you make hundreds of enemies.

  249. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 8:24 am

    It was a paid speaking engagement, but why the secrecy? Bush/Cheney would follow the same MO, amirite?

    More beer please.

    I am not going to feed your beer habit, Ben, until you give up Bud and declare a preference for Greene King IPA. I am trying to support British industry.

    But seriously, the secrecy question highlights the deeply contradictory nature of the man. When he’s on the self-promotion trail, he’s all over the media. Where money is concerned, he hides his activities very successfully. And where his mission to the Israelis/proposed exploitation of the Palestinians is concerned, he’s pretty well invisible unless Ha’aretz catches him schmoozing Netanyahu. Aside, I’d be interested to know what the Quartet ‘representative’ was doing solving the Middle East with a bunch of Swedes at a formal dinner in the US Embassy in Stockholm. The US may be a member of the Quartet, but Sweden only qualifies as a very non-representative part of Europe. Neutral country? Maybe, but the US embassy isn’t neutral ground at all.

  250. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 8:27 am

    Mary (re the Conference on inclusive capitalism):

    “The sick making agenda. Look at the participants in the panels.

    http://www.inclusivecapitalism.org/conference-2014/agenda/
    _________________________

    I’ve looked at the agenda and the items seem to be eminently pertinent and sensible ones, so why is it making you “sick”?

    As for the participants, they seem to be high-level company executives in the main (people who run the capitalist model on a daily basis) Is there anything surprising or reprehensible about that?

    PS – you also complain that they haven’t revealed what was for lunch. Is what they had for lunch remevant to anything in particular?

    Another pointless post, I’m afraid, Mary.

  251. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 8:58 am

    Anyway, he got back yesterday morning, so presumably he’ll be getting instructions from Cherie before being bland on all media re. Chilcot. Q. Why do the media even bother to publish his denial of blocking the Bush-Blair correspondence? He’s a proven liar, and his openness schtick must have worn thin by now,ffs.

    Of course he didn’t block it. Cameron blocked it, after a casually dropped hint during one of his many friendly discussions with Blair. Blair knows where the bodies are buried,Cameron knows what’s good for him, and that’s how things get done round here.

  252. Major, ref Chilcot, said this morning that Cameron’s government could not intervene with Heywood and that it will now fester. Dear Grey Man. Heywood was there in Blair’s time at the critical point as he is there for Cameron today. And as for ‘festering’ it has already festered and the laudable pus will shower over all of them.

    Heywood. now 53, has been around since Lamont’s time. PPS to Blair, then Chief of Staff to Brown, then Permanent Secretary and afterwards Cabinet Secretary to Cameron. Cameron was also around in Lamont’s time. All the gangsters are known to each other and Heywood knows all their secrets apart from those during the period 2003-8 when he went off to make money.
    .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Heywood

    It is most pertinent that he resigned in 2003.

    ‘Heywood joined HM Treasury in 1992 and became the Principal Private Secretary to Chancellor Norman Lamont at the age of 30, having to help mitigate the fallout from Black Wednesday after less than a month in the job.[5] Heywood remained in this role throughout the 1990s under Chancellors Kenneth Clarke and Gordon Brown before being promoted to be the Principal Private Secretary to Prime Minister Tony Blair in 1999. He stayed in this position until 2003, when he left the civil service in the wake of the Hutton Inquiry where it emerged that Heywood claimed to have never minuted meetings in the Prime Ministerial offices about Dr David Kelly, a job he was required to do. He emerged to become the Managing Director of the UK Investment Banking Division at Morgan Stanley where he became embroiled in the Southern Cross Healthcare scandal that almost saw 30,000 elderly people being made homeless.[6] Upon Gordon Brown becoming Prime Minister in 2007, Heywood returned to government as Head of Domestic Policy and Strategy at the Cabinet Office. Political commentator Peter Oborne, in the wake of this appointment described Heywood as

    “a perfect manifestation of everything that has gone so very wrong with the British civil service over the past 15 years.”[7]

    He would later go on to resume his old job of Principal Private Secretary, as well as being appointed the Downing Street Chief of Staff after the resignation of Stephen Carter.[8] In 2010, after David Cameron became Prime Minister, Heywood was replaced as Chief of Staff by Edward Llewellyn and as Principal Private Secretary by James Bowler. Heywood returned to the civil service and was subsequently appointed the first Downing Street Permanent Secretary, a role created with the purpose of liaising between the Cabinet Secretary and the Chief of Staff within the Cabinet Office.’

    What a stench!

    PS Cameron was Lamont’s bag carrier at the time of Black Wednesday.
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/david-cameron-and-norman-lamont.jpg
    ‘And who was working with Norman Lamont on Black Wednesday. Young David Cameron!
    You can be sure that this photo will be reproduced a few times as we get closer to the next General Election. Although Cameron was really just a bag carrier rather than a player, he is indelibly associated with Lamont’s failure.’

  253. The troll above displays further lack of comprehension and even inability to read. It was their DINNER I was talking about, not lunch.

    ~~~
    ‘Central to the proceedings was an undercurrent of elite fear that the increasing disenfranchisement of the vast majority of the planetary population under decades of capitalist business-as-usual could well be its own undoing.

    The Conference on Inclusive Capitalism is the brainchild of the Henry Jackson Society (HJS), a little-known but influential British think tank with distinctly neoconservative and xenophobic leanings. In May 2012, HJS executive director Alan Mendoza explained the thinking behind the project:

    “… we felt that such was public disgust with the system, there was a very real danger that politicians could seek to remedy the situation by legislating capitalism out of business.”

    He claimed that HJS research showed that “the only real solutions that can be put forward to restore trust in the system, and which actually stand a chance of bringing economic prosperity, are being led by the private, rather than the public, sector.”’
    (Nafeez Ahmed: The Guardian)
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/may/28/inclusive-capitalism-trojan-horse-global-revolt-henry-jackson-society-pr-growth

    Henry Jackson Society. Enough said.

  254. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 9:31 am

    Meanwhile, from the nethermost pit, emerges…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638470/Former-spin-doctor-Alastair-Campbell-meets-Egyptian-regime-blamed-1-000-deaths-weeks-Blair-gives-staunch-backing-coup-leader-ahead-election.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    As the article makes slightly less obscure, Campbell/Blair remain an item.

    And -

    Chris Doyle, director of the Council for Arab-British Understanding, said at the time of Mr Blair’s remarks: ‘Dangerously, Blair and others are turning a blind eye to the suppression of human rights, the widespread arrests, the crackdown on freedom of media and the absence of rule of law.’

    Well, yes, that’s what you’ve gotta do, y’know, and you have to have, y’know, some instability and stuff so your lovely big hedge funds can move in and buy the place up. Cherie says you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs (I really wouldn’t know, I let the help do all that) but it works for Kazakhstan, doesn’t it? Used notes, please. Thank you.

  255. Ot I am told

    Our local land fill recycles the plastic bottles carefully collected in wheels bins.

    The bottles are collected, weighed, then put in sheds and steamed with megawatts partially decomposed then put into the landfill.
    Of which leaches into the ground.
    All waste decomposes and produces methane/ co2 and toxic chemicals.

    Incinerated at high temp, no toxic chemicals just co2.

    The Swedish are the most advanced in this technology! Hopefully the suits at Bilderberg can discuss the intricacies of toxifying the planet.

    Growth. “Nevermind”

  256. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 10:17 am

    Jay:

    As you correctly mention, landfill produces methane. If your local landfill were run as a sealed gas recovery unit, the methane could be used to run a small power station – and at many UK sites has done successfully for over a decade. And there would be no leachate, as geopolymer and clay barriers contain the toxic runoff. As much household waste consists of waste food and paper, at least some of the methane production is sustainable. As indeed is much of the CO2, which is probably not the case with the extra energy required to ensure that incinerator waste not only burns, but burns at a sufficiently high temperature.

    Also, incineration isn’t quite as straightforward as setting fire to the rubbish. This Chinese paper outlines why: take-home message, incinerators must be strongly monitored to ensure that the complex (and energy-requiring) cleanup of the exhaust gas stream remains effective. And that does not mean ‘monitored by the operator alone’. Dioxins are nasty.

  257. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 10:21 am

    Personally, I’m not sure why plastics aren’t routinely separated from the waste stream at the outset, and pyrolised to give a mixed-hydrocarbon oil which can then be fractionated for chemical feedstocks. Wouldn’t need much, if any, more energy than steaming them.

  258. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 10:22 am

  259. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 11:23 am

    John Major exhibits some understanding:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chilcot-inquiry-john-major-urges-blair-to-get-bush-conversations-published-9459173.html

    Speaking on Radio 4’s Today programme, Sir John said it was a “pity” for papers to be withheld.

    He added: “Firstly, they will leave suspicions unresolved and those suspicions will fester and maybe worsen.

    “Secondly, in many ways I think withholding them is going to be very embarrassing for Tony Blair, not least of course because he brought the Freedom of Information Act into law when he was in government*.”

    Sir John said there were “strict rules” that prevented the current Government from intervening and insisted it was down to Labour or Mr Blair to approach the Cabinet Office, which handled the negotiations.

    “Mr Blair could, the previous Labour government could, and maybe in their own interests they should think about that because otherwise, as I say, this will fester and I don’t think anybody wishes to see that,” he added.

    And Tony agrees…errrmmm…theoretically:

    “It is certainly not me who is holding it up,” he told BBC Radio 4′s Today programme. “The sooner it is published the better, from my perspective, as it allows me to make the arguments.” , he lied.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27585261

    * Blair has since expressed the wish that he hadn’t, lol.

  260. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 11:39 am

    Andrew Gilligan also has a score to settle with Blair, after he (Gilligan) was fired from the BBC for his 2003 broadcast correctly alleging that the Iraq WMD claim had been ‘sexed-up’.

    Here’s Gilligan (lately Boris’s cycle commissioner, but we can forgive him for that) reporting a Chilcot development which the MSM largely missed:

    On January 13, 2010, the day after one star witness, Mr Blair’s spin man, Alastair Campbell, appeared before Chilcot, the inquiry heard from the Cabinet Secretary at the time of the invasion, Andrew Turnbull. Lord Turnbull gave evidence again, as did his predecessor, Lord Wilson, on January 25 2011, a few days after Mr Blair had made his second appearance.

    Both times, the TV circus for Mr Campbell and Mr Blair had folded its tents and the ex-mandarins’ sessions were barely covered in the Press.

    But they were devastating. Lord Turnbull said that he and the Cabinet had essentially been deceived, “brought into the story … a long way behind” what had already been agreed by what he described as Mr Blair’s “entourage”. The Cabinet never saw any papers at all, he said. Lord Wilson, who left six months before the war, testified that at his final meeting with the Prime Minister he had told Mr Blair that he had a worrying “gleam in his eye” over military action.

    Lord Turnbull added that had Lord Wilson known the full picture – that a note had already been sent to President George W Bush promising, in his words, that “you can count on us whatever”, Lord Wilson “would not have described it [just] as a gleam”.

    And that’s the then Cabinet Secretary; by the look of it he would have no objection to full publication. It would support the evidence he gave.. Strange that the current CS is so pusillanimous on the subject, no?

  261. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 12:04 pm

    Mary

    “The troll above displays further lack of comprehension and even inability to read. It was their DINNER I was talking about, not lunch.”
    ________________

    I accept the bitch’s* correction and therefore rephrase my question as follows:

    “you also complain that they haven’t revealed what was for dinner. Is what they had for dinner relevant to anything in particular?”.

    Answer now awaited, thanks
    ___________________

    * as you see fit to refer to me as the “troll”, I’m sure you won’t mind if I refer to you as the “bitch”? That’s fair enough, isn’t it : to you I present the characteristics of a troll, whilst to me you present the characteristics of a bitch.

  262. Ray McGovern, with a useful cautionary backgrounder on the current geo-political tectonic shift:

    “The post-coup election of a pro-Western politician as president of Ukraine – and the escalating slaughter of lightly armed anti-coup rebels in the east – have created a celebratory mood in Official Washington, but the victory dance may be premature, says ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38630.htm

  263. All this talk of Soylent Green. Did they ever find Saddam Hussein’s Sausage-Making Machine?

    Was Tubby Isaacs the noob troll that muscled in on habbaduk’s (remember him) patch and got told off in no uncertain terms that this place was already well-covered, OnYerBike!

  264. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    30 May, 2014 - 12:53 pm

    Nice types. If it’s not the IDF with tear gas, it’s Orthodox Israelis with stinkbombs. Krazies and nasty with it.

    Orthodox men hurl stinkbombs at women praying at Jerusalem’s Western Wall

    Religious tensions in Israeli society turned Judaism’s holiest site into “a battlefield” on Friday, police said, as ultra-orthodox men hurled missiles and insults at women worshippers exercising their right to pray in a manner previously restricted to men.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10049274/Orthodox-men-hurl-stinkbombs-at-women-praying-at-Jerusalems-Western-Wall.html

  265. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    30 May, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    Ms Power aka Mrs Sunstein is so greedy for sanctions. Targeted ones this time for South Sudan. Now where’s that oil Ms Power?

    ‘U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power has urged the Security Council to consider imposing targeted sanctions on South Sudan.’

    U.N. peacekeepers to focus on protecting South Sudan civilians
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/27/uk-southsudan-unrest-un-idUKKBN0E72FZ20140527

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan_%E2%80%93_South_Sudan_Border_War

  266. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 1:00 pm

    I have reasons for believing Tubby Isaacs is/was in fact Fred.

  267. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    30 May, 2014 - 1:25 pm

    A new low for Question Time. They had a footballer on the panel who insulted a UKIP MEP in a sexist remark as she saw it. Spat blew up. Piers Morgan et al.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1401449615.html

    I see Willetts there in the video and Margaret Curran MP. Who?

    All broadcast from the new Terminal 2, terminal being the operative word.

    A review from the Torygraph
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/10864227/Joey-Barton-v-Piers-Morgan-who-won-Question-Times-Match-of-the-Day.html

  268. “Subvert and overthrow” replaces “shock and awe”. Here’s the why and how. Ukraine (Neo-con War Number 6) was $5 billion well spent.

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/05/29/barack-obamas-foreign-policy-dilemma/

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/26/cheering-a-democratic-coup-in-ukraine/

  269. Missed this. Crispin Black has reported that Polish reservists, including those currently living in Britain, have been called up for “exercises”:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/poland-quietly-mobilizing-its-army-reservists

    Apparently the Poles are feeling vulnerable.

    Should teach them not to blindly follow US foreign policy and tend more to their own existential interest, a lesson Poles seem never to have learnt despite being taught it time and time again.

    Difficult to see them learning it this time either, since their foreign policy is fronted by here today gone tomorrow, British educated Bullingdon boy, Radosław Sikorski.

  270. Challenging “All Forms of Injustice”? Who is the “Real Pope” Francis I?
    By Prof Michel Chossudovsky and James Corbett

    Global Research, May 29, 2014

    Pope Francis I has been portrayed in chorus by the Western media as a champion of “Liberation Theology” committed to global poverty alleviation.

    Pope Francis has urged world leaders to challenge “all forms of injustice” and resist the “economy of exclusion… the throwaway culture, … and the “culture of death,” [which] … sadly risk becoming passively accepted.”

    Who is the Real Pope Francis I

    Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Pope Francis I) was one of the main supporters –within the Catholic hierarchy– of Argentina’s military dictatorship which came to power in a CIA supported coup in 1976.

    Jorge Mario Bergoglio not only supported the dictatorship, he also played a direct and complicit role in the “Dirty War” (la guerra sucia”) in liaison with the military Junta headed by General Jorge Videla, leading to the arrest, imprisonment, torture and disappearance of progressive Catholic priests and laymen who were opposed to Argentina’s military rule.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/challenging-all-forms-of-injustice-is-pope-francis-i-committed-to-liberation-theology/5384297

    Video 20 mins

  271. Poland was also complicit in extraordinary rendition.

    ‘In addition, the European Court of Human Rights recently agreed to consider a second case against Poland over allegations from another former CIA prisoner, Zayn al-Abidin Muhammad Husayn (known as Abu Zubaydah), who was tortured while held in a secret CIA-run prison in Poland. While these measures are an important step in ensuring accountability for U.S. actions on the global stage, they do not absolve the U.S. from its own responsibility under international law to hold those who were responsible for CIA abuses accountable, and release information about the unlawful activities carried out as part of the extraordinary rendition program.’
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/human-rights-national-security/new-information-about-cia-extraordinary-rendition-program

    and so on with other instances.

  272. In the first 48 hours of the assault on Baghdad by the ‘coalition of the willing’ this ‘dodgy dossier’ illegal war murdered 357 children including 66 babies, burnt alive while waiting for their breakfast.

    Doctors for Iraq report 2004 emailed to children of Iraq Association – http://www.coia.org.uk

  273. ” Orthodox men hurl stinkbombs at women praying at Jerusalem’s Western Wall ”

    Well at least it was only stinkbombs.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1270504/pakistan-pregnant-woman-stoned-to-death

    You find morons in all religions; and indeed some with no religion at all.

  274. ” Apparently the Poles are feeling vulnerable. ”

    Well after having been invaded by the Nazis and the Soviet Union and suffering 45 years of oppression by the latter it’s hardly surprising.

  275. @Mark: And we all watched it happen on prime time television, but with a peculiar mix of colour that confused the easily confused about what was really happening.

    @Mary: Poland (or their government) was almost as keen as TB to be a big member of “coalition of the willing”, and they led part of the laughingly called “Operation Iraqi Freedom”.

  276. We did ‘Peacewisher’ -distant shots in ‘Pathéchrome’ of cruise missiles exploding to be followed later by cluster bombs. Let us remind ourselves who were the ‘coalition of the willing’ that neglected the UN Security Council and pooh-poohed the correct meaning of resolutions passed on Iraq.

    Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.

  277. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 2:49 pm

    From under a stone oozed ‘Lord’ Mandelson, heading up the bottom of some Russian oligarchs:

    http://eng.rspp.ru/simplepage/598

    This is the Russian equivalent of Davos. Mandelson is a director of Sistema, a Russian defence conglomerate 60% owned by Vladimir Yevtushenkov ($9Bn). Attendance at the event was being discouraged by the US and UK governments, but pliable Peter wasn’t discouraged…

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/russia-and-former-soviet-union/new-york-times-kremlin-tells-media-to-play-down-investment-forum-boycott-348974.html

    Bit like Prescott Bush and AG Farben*, isn’t it?

    *Look it up.

  278. mark golding 30 May, 2014 – 1:50 pm

    Not to mention all the deaths since from birth defects and cancer in Fallujah. The United States has no shame. UK not much. I have been researching for an article on the arrest and detainment of Moazzam Begg and came across some very disturbing episodes, not least this case of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui.

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/07/22/314973/the-strange-case-of-aafia-siddiqui/

    So much ill has come from the so-called “war-on-terror” I hardly recognise my country anymore.

  279. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Mandelson’s advice to BP on the Southern Corridor gas pipeline project (Caspian to Turkey) -
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/14/lord-mandelson-bp_n_4593836.html
    -must have been a nice little earner for Global Counsel, his Blair-alike bullshit outlet. But the project seems to be hitting problems. Or should that be and the project’s hitting problems?

    http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/southern-corridor-total-shah-deniz

    Writing for the ultra-socialist Spectator, Mandelson recently announced his plans to rent a farm in Wiltshire and spend his declining years shearing cows and milking sheep. Good idea!

  280. @Mark: I notice you left Ukraine off that 2003 list… surely a typo!

    At the time, I couldn’t understand why a country allied to Russia would side with US on this one. Shape of things to come…? following year they had the “orange revolution”.

  281. But, remember that Blair recently came out against the current agression towards Russia. He favours more concentration on Syria.

    Many interests in Kazakhstan.

    Pity then that the treaty establishing the Eurasian Economic Union was signed on May 29th, in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan.

    http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/29-05-2014/127684-eurasian_economic_union-0/

    Remember too that NATO hasn’t been that forthcoming in beefing up Poland’s defenses, since they joined in 1999, and even up to the present day they’re not that interested.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10737838/Ukraine-crisis-Poland-asks-Nato-to-station-10000-troops-on-its-territory.html

    The US cares little about even the interests of the stronger EU members in their plans for world domination, nevermind here today gone tomorrow Poland.

    At least the Germans, French and Italians are keeping their options open, leaving a very vulnerable Poland to play hardball with the mighty beast on their border.

    Feckin newbies!

  282. Correct Peacekeeper-an oversight-Interestingly with increasing domestic pressure Ukraine withdrew in Dec. 2004 while Georgia remained until August 2008.

    Coalition of the ‘Bribed and Bullied’

    http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/9/9/5/9/pages99593/p99593-1.php

    “A Coalition of the Willing”: an analysis of the commitment and withdrawal of Ukrainian and Georgian armed forces.

    http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/3/6/3/2/0/pages363207/p363207-1.php

  283. ‘No shame’ John…

    n the speech by Barack Obama on Wednesday May 28, the US President affirmed his belief in a foreign policy influenced by “US exceptionalism”.

    To its critics, US exceptionalism is nothing but a euphemism for immunity, discrimination and propaganda to excuse and defend war crimes carried out by the United States. In view of the US’s exposure as a dangerous rogue state by an increasing army of whistleblowers, something like US exceptionalism is Obama’s only excuse for otherwise starkly hypocritical international relations.

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/obama-believe-american-exceptionalism-every-fiber/191611/

  284. Some interesting stuff from Bullingdon boy, Radoslaw Sikorski, Poland’s foreign minister.

    Even the BBC bloke seems unconvinced:

    The journalist quoted about 12 mins in is his wife, Anne Appelbaum. He retweeted her piece, but he seems here to be distancing himself from it.

    She’s American neocon, obviously. Aren’t they all, these wives and husbands. It’s a family affair.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvuWHEU9dVY

    And here’s the chocolate bloke when he was just a humble businessman:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byk_auHxwgs

  285. @Mark: “Peacekeeper” would be “deluded to a infinite amount” given the current scenario!

    With that sort of rhetoric from Obama, there is a suggestion in some quarters that US is upping the ante on Russia in preparation for a military attack at some point (next President?)

    Some suggestion also that Georgia, as well as “the new Ukraine”, may have a role in such a future scenario. Truly horrifying stuff, but should we be surprised about anything after Iraq?

  286. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 4:11 pm

    Pity then that the treaty establishing the Eurasian Economic Union was signed on May 29th, in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan.

    The Russians want a share of the global cake, and that will be easier to organise if all their own ducks are in an economic line. Blair will only encourage this (as seen in his advisory/friendly bullshitter role wrt. Nazarbayev) And so will the rest of our movers and shakers. It’s all money and one oligarch is very much like another, East or West.

    Assad’s a safe target -everyone shits on Assad, but we need to remember that in the interests of presenting a common enemy we can all be so terrified of that we buy corporate oppression, Blair’s also pissing on the very jihadis who are trying to take Assad down. While his Faith Foundation pushes nicey-nicey religious diversity for the globalised tomorrow. Blair is consistent in only one thing: his pursuit of money.

  287. Before Baghdad 2003 there was the 1991 atrocity at the Al Ameriyah shelter revisited here by Felicity Arbuthnot.

    U.S. State Department Warns No U.S. Citizen Safe “Throughout the World”
    by Felicity Arbuthnot / May 26th, 2014

    ‘One example stays indelibly engraved on my mind, over twenty years of unending US aggression. Mohammed was just ten years old when he went to overnight with his mother, brothers – including a baby brother just weeks old – and sisters during the 1991 attack on Iraq, to Baghdad’s Ameriyah air raid Shelter.

    The Shelter, equipped with bunk beds, showers, generator-driven electricity, television, kitchens, was a haven of normality and safety in a city where the electricity and water system had been deliberately destroyed, being “carpet bombed” daily.

    This temporary sanctuary was deliberately targeted by the US who had obtained the plans, identified the weak points, the ventilation shafts. All but fourteen of the several hundred mothers, children and elderly for whom the Shelter was reserved, were incinerated.

    Mohammed was just ten when he survived the inferno. He rescued an old man “whose flesh came away in my hands” and a baby. His mother and siblings were incinerated. The attack happened on the anniversary of the start of the fire bombing of Dresden in World War 11.

    He was twelve when we met. Quiet, dignified, articulate way beyond his years. His story, as so many victims of US bombs, drones and “surgical strikes” across the globe, would haunt the hardest heart.

    Eventually I asked: “How do you feel about those who did this?” His composure cracked, perspiration broke out on his face, neck, and backs of his hands: “When I grow up, I am going to join the (elite) Republican Guard – and if I die and if I have to wait a thousand years, I will come back and get my revenge.” In the 2003 invasion, he would have been twenty two.

    If he survived the further mass incinerations of “Shock and Awe”, he would have undoubtedly joined the resistance and attacked those from a country who had burned his family and friends alive. If he survived that and perhaps left Iraq, he and countless who had suffered so wickedly would surely harbour vengeance in their hearts for Americans any place, anywhere, for all time. As, of course, Afghan and Libya victims, drone victims from Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan.’

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/u-s-state-department-warns-no-u-s-citizen-safe-throughout-the-world/

    For info
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/u-s-state-department-warns-no-u-s-citizen-safe-throughout-the-world/

  288. “To its critics, US exceptionalism is nothing but a euphemism for immunity, discrimination and propaganda to excuse and defend war crimes carried out by the United States.”

    German Nazis thought they were immune. They knew what crimes had been committed hence the cyanide capsules.

    Just about to watch the HardTalk Herbie.

    My last two (three?) blogs have been about Willy Wonka. The latest gives links to two of the brands to avoid when you do your weekly shop.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/willy-wonka-and-hidden-bullets.html

  289. There is hardly any mention these days of the part Clinton played in the atrocities enacted on Iraq. Just as culpable as Bush and Blair. In office 1993-2001

    3. Effects on the Iraqi people during sanctions
    3.1 Estimates of deaths due to sanctions
    3.2 Infant and child death rates

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Effects_on_the_Iraqi_people_during_sanctions

    ~~~
    Saw this when looking up Clinton’s dates.

    Planning the succession maybe??

    White House forced to admit Obama had a clandestine luncheon with Hillary after magazine outs them on Twitter
    •President Barack Obama had former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over for lunch today
    •The luncheon was not on the president’s schedule. Press only found out about it after People magazine sent a tweet claiming that Clinton was on her way to meet with the president
    •A White House official has confirmed that the president had an ‘informal’ lunch with Clinton
    •The official did not say how long Clinton was at the White House or what the two talked about, raising suspicion
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2643336/Barack-Obama-clandestine-luncheon-Hillary-Clinton.html

  290. May they ALL rot in hell.

    Letter from Chilcot to Heywood.

    I am pleased to record……. etc etc etc

    Complete rot.

    http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media/55103/2014-05-28_Chilcot_Heywood.pdf

  291. @Mary: Yes, 15th January 1991, I think, another dark day for humanity. Hadn’t even heard of CNN before then. And George Bush Senior had the audacity to talk of a New World Order… I still think it would have been even worse if Maggie was still in No. 10 at that time. What a fool Saddam Hussein was!

  292. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    Herbie

    “Anne Appelbaum…..She’s American neocon, obviously.”
    ________________

    Not so obviously, actually, Herbie.

    Or, perhaps, obvious only to those who are unsparing in their efforts to insert themselves as far up Mr Putin’s fundament as possible…..(no names, no pack drill eh, Herbie!)

    BTW, I strongly recommend Anne Applebaum’s “Iron Curtain – the crushing of Eastern Europe 1944-1956″ (Allen Lane, London, 2012). A splendid tour d’horizon of what Russian imperialism, concealed behind the mask of communism, is capable of getting up to unless checked.

    And, Herbie, since you obviously have strong (albeit ignorant)views on Poland and Russia, perhaps I could also recommend to you “Imperium” by thre late Ryszard Kapuscinski (Granta Books, London, 1994)in the hope that you may learn something.

    **************************

    “Life has become better, life has become merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1934)

  293. There are 146392 signatures and counting on this 38 Degrees petition. Why not add yours?

    The petition to demand a real recall law – so that voters can sack MPs who don’t do their job properly – is growing fast.

    Already over 130,000 38 Degrees members have signed the petition. The bigger the petition – the more pressure David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband will be under to do the right thing. Can you click the button to add your name?

    SIGN THE PETITION https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/real-recall#petition

    Here’s what some 38 Degrees members who’ve signed the petition have to say about the need for a real recall law:

    Sarah: “Politicians are answerable to their constituents, not their colleagues, therefore it is their constituents who should have the power to sack them.”

    Jeff: “The right to remove an MP or any other elected official is a fundamental right in a democracy.”

    Lynn: “The electorate need to be more involved in this process. It cannot be left to the integrity of politicians. If it could, we wouldn’t need the bill.”

    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/real-recall#petition

  294. @John Gross

    Currently, Turkish government is not in a position to pursue these arrest warrants at international level. Ankara is too much dependent on United States, European Union, NATO and Saudi money – which are all tied to Tel Aviv.

    Turkish prime minister Erdogan’s foreign policy has isolated the country on the international level and especially among its regional neighbors. His foolish military and diplomatic assault against Syrian government has cost Ankara the close friendship with Iran, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq. Erdogan’s support for the former president Dr. Morsi against the military coup lead by Crypto-Jew Gen. el-Sisi has distanced Cairo from Ankara. However, the recent municipal results show that Erdogan’s ruling AKP is still popular among Turkish Muslim majority due to AKP’s national and Islamic roots.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/05/28/turkish-court-issues-warrants-for-4-israeli-generals/

  295. Herbie I found the Poroshenko interview really interesting because in it he implied that he would sign the agreement with the EU. Something must have changed his mind because now, when everybody would expect it was going to happen the deal has been put off indefinitely. It may have something to do with the vast debt that Ukraine has built up for Russian gas, or perhaps he has come to his senses that murdering his own people is not going to be good for the chocolate trade, Who knows? Anyway the deal’s off. Indefinitely if you believe some sources.

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/incoming-ukrainian-president-poroshenko-requests-more-time-before-signing-eu-deal-1401265360?tesla=y&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303633604579589402487266552.html

  296. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 5:30 pm

    Mr Goss

    “German Nazis thought they were immune. They knew what crimes had been committed hence the cyanide capsules.”
    _________________

    Sloppy thinking, once again.

    If they really thought they were immune why did they feel the need to carry suicide pills?

    Think!!

  297. My post at 4.13pm should have had this link at the end.

    For info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiriyah_shelter_bombing

  298. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 5:39 pm

    Mary is again urging us to sigh a petition

    “There are 146392 signatures and counting on this 38 Degrees petition. Why not add yours?

    The petition to demand a real recall law – so that voters can sack MPs who don’t do their job properly – is growing fast.

    Already over 130,000 38 Degrees members have signed the petition. The bigger the petition – the more pressure David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband will be under to do the right thing. Can you click the button to add your name?”

    ________________________

    This is bollox – and irresponsible bollox at that.

    Where, in the petition, are the details??

    How many voters to force a recall?

    For any reason at all (your local MP might oppose hanging but most of his electoral might not) – or if not, for which reasons exactly?

    And so on.

    (If I have somehow overlooked a fuller text for what is being demanded by this petition, please indicate where I can read it).

  299. Little or no American commentary on the EU elections. This is James Petras.

    The Rise of the European Right: Reaction to the Neoliberal Right
    by James Petras / May 30th, 2014

    The European parliamentary elections witnessed a major breakthrough for the right-wing parties throughout the region. The rise of the Right runs from the Nordic countries, the United Kingdom, the Baltic and Low countries, France, Central and Eastern Europe to the Mediterranean.

    Most, if not all, of these emerging right-wing parties mark a sharp break with the ruling neo-liberal, Christian and Social Democratic parties who have presided over a decade of crisis.

    The ‘new Right’ cannot be understood simply by attaching negative labels (‘fascist’, ‘racist’ and ‘anti-Semitic’). The rise of the Right has to be placed in the context of the decay of political, social and economic institutions, the general and persistent decline of living standards and the disintegration of community bonds and class solidarity. The entire existing political edifice constructed by the neo-liberal parties bears deep responsibility for the systemic crisis and decay of everyday life. Moreover, this is how it is understood by a growing mass of working people who vote for the Right.

    /..

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/the-rise-of-the-european-right-reaction-to-the-neoliberal-right/

    Spot on.

  300. Try this e-petition, Habby (and anyone else…):

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64756

  301. I’ve signed Peacewisher. Thanks for posting the link.

  302. Habby

    She’s a neocon.

    And fuck off with recommending her drivel. If you want to contest my points, then do so yourself.

    If you’re capable.

    You haven’t managed it yet.

    =================

    John

    That interview was recorded over a year ago, but I suspect that the realities that Yanukovych faced will have to be faced up by Poroshenko too. He knows Putin well, obviously but recently Putin turned down his desire to meet.

    The Ukraine coup momentum has stalled, and Putin will be letting the dire gravity of their situation unfold for a while yet.

    They’ll soon learn that the West is but a fair weather friend, using them as it uses everyone else.

  303. US now trying to bully France into selling the ships it is building for Russia… to a country in NATO:

    http://rt.com/news/162412-france-warships-sale-russia/

    First practical example of Obama’s new foreign policy in action?

    Back to the real world… the US economy actual shrank (yes, negative growth) in the first quarter of 2014. You would have thought they’d be looking after their own at such times!

  304. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:11 pm

    Herbie

    “…since their foreign policy is fronted by here today gone tomorrow, British educated Bullingdon boy, Radosław Sikorski.”

    _________________________

    Radoslaw Sikorski has been the Polish Foreign Minister since 2007.

    Hardly “here today gone tomorrow”, Herbie.

    Idiot!

  305. I was actually urging people to SIGN a petition, not SIGH one! Duh! again.

    The original which is easily found by anyone with some nous is:

    ‘Dear …

    It’s splashed across The Telegraph today: a group of MPs have come together to say that they need to regain our trust. [1] And they’re right. Many of us think that politics in the UK is broken. MPs can be sent to prison, can fiddle their expenses or break their promises and we can only get rid of them on election day. [2]

    But, we’ve got a chance right now to make things better. It looks like the government is making plans to announce new powers to sack – ‘recall’ – MPs who don’t do their job properly. Good huh? It would be, but it’s a stitch-up. [3]

    Their plans could put the power to sack MPs in their colleagues’ hands – not their constituents. The MPs speaking out today don’t think this is good enough. They’re backing real recall – so if enough people wanted to hold a by-election to sack their MP in between elections, they could.

    Today’s news will put the government under pressure. So let’s add to it. Let’s build a HUGE people-powered petition so they know we’re watching. Can you sign the petition now?
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/recall-2014

    A real recall law is not the answer to all of our democracy’s problems. But it’s a step in the right direction. And above all, it puts the power into our hands rather than MPs’.

    Real recall won’t mean that by-elections happen every day. There would be checks and balances in place so that MPs can get on with their jobs. It’s only the bad MPs who will need to worry.

    We need to send the government a clear signal, which means the petition needs to be big. Every signature will build the pressure they’ll be under.

    Here’s what one Conservative MP, Zac Goldsmith said:

    “As an MP, I’ve seen how public pressure can force the government’s arm – and they’re particularly sensitive about public trust in MPs right now. A massive petition could give David Cameron and Nick Clegg no option but to go back to the drawing board – and produce recall with bite.”

    Please sign the petition now:
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/recall-2014

    Thanks for being involved,

    Becky, Blanche, Amy, Ali & the 38 Degrees team

    PS: The petition is to David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband, (who’ve all said in the past that they’re committed to it). If Ed Miliband backs real recall – this could put David Cameron and Nick Clegg in an even trickier position.

    Sign the petition:
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/recall-2014

    NOTES:
    [1] The Telegraph:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10850163/Let-voters-sack-underperforming-politicians-MPs-say.html
    [2] House of Commons Library: Recall Elections:
    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/briefings/snpc-05089.pdf
    [3] BBC: Recall plan for MPs ‘is a stitch-up’:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22784664

  306. Baal @ 3.09pm

    It makes a change from milking us, I suppose.

    But what’s he bought a farm for? Wouldn’t he prefer to live somewhere vibrant and diverse?

  307. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    Herbie

    She’s { ie, Anne Applebaum } neocon.

    And fuck off with recommending her drivel. If you want to contest my points, then do so yourself.
    _______________________

    I’d have been glad to answer any points you might have made at 15h57. But there were none to answer.

    It was however clear that you needed educating (unfortunately you’re too late for Michael Gove’s reforms) and that’s why I recommended Anne Applebaum.

    Since you’re obviously keen to get stuck into her works, I’d also recommend her “Gulag – a History” once you’ve finished “Iron Curtain – the crushing of eastern Europe 1944-1956″. Enjoy both!

    ************************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  308. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:27 pm

    Richard

    “But what’s he bought a farm for?”

    Perhaps he wants to branch out from spouting bullshit to breeding bulls?

  309. “Hardly “here today gone tomorrow”, Herbie.”

    Well habby, rather like the Polish entity itself, he’s existed there and then not existed there, and should it all go wrong again then both he and Poland will not be existing there again for a while.

    They’re well used to it by now, it being their history over the past few hundred years, but never learn the lesson.

    Idiot!

  310. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:31 pm

    Mary

    Another long comment from you but the DETAILS of what is being proposed by 38 degrees (and what you are asking people to sign up to) are STILL MISSING !!

    Instead of sneering, please supply.

    Or don’t you have a clue yourself?

    *************************

    La vita è bella, life is good! A petition a day keep the heebie-jeebies away.

  311. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:36 pm

    Herbie

    “They’re well used to it by now, it being their history over the past few hundred years, but never learn the lesson.”
    _________________

    You sound quite pleased about that, Herbie….:)

    But don’t worry, the days when Russia could kick Polish ass are long gone. It didn’t dare do anything against Solidarity and it would dare to do even less now that Poland is a valuable member of NATO.

    Get used to it, Herbie.

    **********************

  312. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:40 pm

    From the egregious Herbie

    “…since their foreign policy is fronted by here today gone tomorrow, British educated Bullingdon boy, Radosław Sikorski.”

    _________________________

    Radoslaw Sikorski has been the Polish Foreign Minister since 2007, Herbie.

    That makes 7 years so far (with more to come).

    Hardly “here today gone tomorrow”, Herbie.

    Longer than you’ve been commenting on CM and probably longer than you’ve been unwaged.

  313. Get lost.

  314. “The Ukraine coup momentum has stalled, and Putin will be letting the dire gravity of their situation unfold for a while yet.

    They’ll soon learn that the West is but a fair weather friend, using them as it uses everyone else.”

    It’s also a wounded beast bleeding to death from inequitable distribution of wealth. Wounded beasts are dangerous. Isn’t it typical that they are trying to get France to renege on its warship contract with Russia. At the same time it is cooperating with Russia on the space programme. What hypocrisy.

  315. The equivalent here of getting blood out of a stone or sense out of a troll.

    Chilcot Report Edges Closer Amid Icy Exchanges
    The report into Britain’s role in the Iraq war could be published before the 2015 general election, as David Cameron has demanded.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1271525/chilcot-report-edges-closer-amid-icy-exchanges

    The Sky political editor reports.

  316. Peacewisher

    “Try this e-petition, Habby (and anyone else…):

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64756

    Sorry, but I won’t sign any petition instigated by hard leftist Lindsey German.
    To explain, around about the time of the Iraq War many of us were utterly opposed to it but found that the main opposition, in the form of rallies, protests, sit-ins, occupations, lie-ins and the rest of it, was organized by the kind of socialist worker, pally solidarity type wankers you thought you’d got away from when you left university. No normal person wants to be associated with them or have their opposition to something so manifestly wrong as the Iraq War hijacked by anti-capitalist wasters waving trotskyist placards. Ditto the e-petition you have recommended us today. :-(

  317. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:54 pm

    Mary

    What exactly does the 38 Degrees petition propose?

    Surely you aren’t inviting us to sign up to a petition whose details are non-existent?

    Sounds a little like that episode from the Southy Sea Bubble when investors were urged to invest now in a Company “the activities of which are yet to be revealed”

  318. “and it (Russia) would dare to do even less now that Poland is a valuable member of NATO”

    I’ve already pointed out that it’s not quite as valued as you imagine. And they know it. That’s why they’re crapping themselves.

    The West is using these new NATO countries, to its own purposes and its own purposes alone.

    Poland hasn’t since it joined in 1999 had the defensive support it has requested time and time again.

    Only a week ago it asked for 10,000 troops.

    Response lukewarm. A few fighter jets offered. Oh yeah, and exercises. Canada is sending 50 troops.

    The reality is that you’re as clueless as the Polish leadership. It takes a bit more than idealism and bits of paper.

    Then again it may just be the case that the Poles are pathologically incapable of understanding how you behave when next door to a major regional power. Their history would certainly suggest that that is the case.

    There are so many many ways this can go wrong for them, and no sensible person places themselves in that position.

    Even time itself is not on their side.

  319. PR exercise by the Queen’s Navee. HMS Bulwark is at Greenwich until Tuesday if anybody is interested. Build cost £225m + £32million refit in 2011.

    http://www.wharf.co.uk/2014/05/hms-bulwark-arrives-in-greenwi.html

    Other Navee news. Work on the new carrier proceeds. Launch July 2014 Operational 2020.
    https://navynews.co.uk/archive/news/item/10565

    Any planes to go on the carrier yet Mr Hammond? Run out of money? What a shame.

    Cost? We are told it is £3.5bn
    http://www.queenelizabethcruises.net/hms-queen-elizabeth-aircraft-carrier/

  320. Rat? Sinking ship? Or perhaps he cannot find the words any more.

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney Quits
    “I’m going to miss him a lot,” says President Barack Obama as he bids farewell to the podium veteran.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1272403/white-house-press-secretary-jay-carney-quits

  321. Habbabkuk, the recall law is an ongoing matter. It was proposed before the last election. However, as I understand it, the government has moved the goal-posts. Their recent proposal is that other MPs rather than the voters would initiate the recall process. If the debate were to proceed in that direction, public power of recall would never even get discussed. Hence the seemingly vague petition; the MPs already know what 38Degrees are complaining about. You can find all this on the 38Degrees site, though you may need to look about a bit.

    Anon, even you could have a good idea, so I won’t go rejecting ideas just because they’re yours in case you do.

  322. @Anon. I wouldn’t want to be seen to be supporting the Socialist Worker Party in any way. I was also on that 1-2 million march, and the reason that movement worked was because SWP was sandwiched between CND, the Muslim Council of Britain and the Trades Unions. I’ve never expressed this opinion before but from what I can remember the protests faded after February 15th at least partly because Trades Unions started running scared of being sequestered. Was that more important than the Iraqi people? From what I remember, Blair gave them their reward in the Warwick agreement (better pensions and working conditions) a year later. Of course Cameron has even taken those away now…

    It is the petition that matters. I would have signed it even if Michael Gove had penned it.

  323. ” Only a week ago it asked for 10,000 troops. ”

    Well actually it was at the begining of April and in response to Putin massing 40,000 Russians on the Ukraine border. Had NATO supplied the requested troops you’d have acused them of being provocative and Putin could’ve used their presence as an excuse to keep his army in place. As it is Putin has seen sense and withdrawn most of the Russians so the need to re-inforce Poland no longer exists.

    ” Then again it may just be the case that the Poles are pathologically incapable of understanding how you behave when next door to a major regional power. ”

    So how would that be? Servile submission to intimidation and bullying? Anything Cuba could learn from their example?

    Poland, and Russia, are well aware of the central tenet of NATO; an attack on one member state is an attack on all.

  324. “Peacewisher

    “Try this e-petition, Habby (and anyone else…):

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64756”

    Sorry, but I won’t sign any petition instigated by hard leftist Lindsey German.”

    It was a jointly signed epetition Lindsey’s name just happened to be at the top.

    Lindsey German, convenor of Stop the War Coalition
    Kate Hudson, general secretary of CND
    Caroline Lucas MP
    Jeremy Corbyn MP
    John Rees, Stop the War Coalition
    Baroness Jenny Tonge
    Ken Loach, film and TV director
    Mark Rylance, actor
    Miriam Margolyes OBE actor
    Michael Rosen, author and broadcaster
    Salma Yaqoob, former leader of the Respect Party
    Andrew Murray, chief of staff for Unite union

    It might help if you read the letter too. It is not expected that somebody who supports UKIP would be opposed to NATO exercises in Ukraine.


    No to Nato military exercises in Ukraine

    Responsible department: Ministry of Defence

    We note with great concern that UK and US troops are scheduled to participate in joint military exercises in Ukraine in July as part of NATO’s Rapid Trident manoeuvres. Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Its participation in military exercises by a nuclear-armed alliance with a first-strike policy can only further destabilise the country.

    We call on the British government to urge the US and other NATO governments to cancel the Rapid Trident exercise, and to give a plain and public undertaking that Britain will not participate.”

  325. You’ve sealed it now, John.

  326. The BBC thought it rightly important to tell us about the 12 soldiers who died when their helicopter was shot down in Ukraine. It called them “people”, which of course they are.

    Would the 7 children injured today by Ukrainian army shelling of civilian areas of Slavyansk be classed as “pro-separatist rebels”? Perhaps – if the BBC were to mention the attack at all, which of course they won’t.

    http://rt.com/news/162604-chidren-injured-east-ukraine/

  327. I thought my posting of the 38 Degrees e-mail ref the recall petition was self explanatory.
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/freedom-cheaper-than-iraq-war/comment-page-2/#comment-459540

    In any case over the course of the last few hours since 5.30pm, 4,500 signatures have been added so there is no need for Habbabkuk to bother his head.

    There are now 150,849 signatures. Bravo!

  328. Did you keep away from that 15th February march, Anon, because you thought there’d be a load of weirdoes. Well, yes, it was full of weirdoes, of all colours, classes, ages, and sexual orientations. We are all weirdoes, and (apart from other things) it is our right to be weirdoes that our forefathers fought for in ww2.

  329. @Mike: It was same with reporting on Iraq. The BBC seem to be treating this as if it was a war against the Donbass. The BBC was very different in its reporting of the war with Vietnam… shows how times have changed. And how in turn the BBC have changed young people minds: anti-war, 60s; pro-war, 00s, (or would have done if the young didn’t rebel and turn to their computers…)

  330. The chocolate teapot in Ukraine had better watch out. If he heats everything up too much, he will be in danger of melting.

    ~~

    Well said Peacewisher ref the march. It seems like centuries ago. But only 10 years and in that time, so much killing and maiming.

  331. Yeah, Peacewisher, Gilligan knocked the stuffing out of them. They are little better than a neo-con mouthpiece now.

  332. “Ukraine Vows to Bring Peace to the East” runs the BBC headline.

    That’s as close to “War is Peace” as you can get.

    Peacewisher: Learn the truth online. Yes. Then what? Step away from the screen and into he street, if you want to make the change. It’s the only way.

  333. Wrong to blame Gilligan. He was just a journalist trying to get a story out. The big mistake seemed to be not having a proper strategy for protecting their source, and wilting to Blair’s bully boys verbal aggression. As you say, Mary, suddenly it is as if it happened yesterday.

  334. Mike: bottom-up will last and be self-sustaining… (cf 38degrees) top-down will have to be maintained by lies… maybe even violence… (cf. condem coalition)

  335. I’ve added my signature Mary. One thing that concerns me is what 38 degrees does with the money it gets.

  336. NATO petition now has 3750 signatures. Needs a lot more.

  337. Let’s sign that petition!

    Write the names of certain websites in a public place. Agit-prop graffiti. Spread the truth.

  338. Mike, I’ve been spreading it via Facebook. The first time I shared it three other petition links, two with NATO in the title were posted with it. They appeared to be pro-NATO petitions so I deleted them. I tried to repeat the procedure and could not get it to repeat. So I suggest people check especially their first share.

  339. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 12:12 am

    Herbie

    I think you’re very angry with the Poles about something or other. What is it that makes you so angry? My guess would be that you’re angry about the role Poland (through Solidarity) played in ridding Eastern Europe of Russian imperialism(followed by the breakup of the Evil Empire itself), but do correct me if I’m wrong! :)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Since you mention history:

    “Then again it may just be the case that the Poles are pathologically incapable of understanding how you behave when next door to a major regional power. Their history would certainly suggest that that is the case.”

    let me ask you: how, in your opinion, should Poland have “behaved” after 1933 and, specifically, how should it have “behaved” in 1939?

    Let’s see if the great geo-strategist dares answer that one! :)

  340. Mike work out how you can control market forces then in turn you will get a handle on the corporations in turn you can set the dichotomy of governmental democracy in which also controls market forces.
    Influence the media and the banks and you will have a real leftist society, guarantee an ideal and hey presto. No need form vandalism.

  341. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 12:15 am

    From the egregious Herbie

    “…since their foreign policy is fronted by here today gone tomorrow, British educated Bullingdon boy, Radosław Sikorski.”

    _________________________

    Radoslaw Sikorski has been the Polish Foreign Minister since 2007, Herbie.

    That makes 7 years so far (with more to come).

    Hardly “here today gone tomorrow”, Herbie.

    Longer than you’ve been commenting on CM and probably longer than you’ve been unwaged.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    PS – have you ordered those books by the excellent Anne Applebaum yet, Herbie? You know it’s the right thing to do!

  342. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 12:19 am

    Herbie

    And when you do get round to answering the questions, Herbie, try to do so without resorting to four letter words, there’s a good lad:

    “And fuck off with recommending her drivel.”

  343. Kempe

    The Poles wanted a permanent stationing of NATO troops, and other defenses as a final solution to their fear of the East.

    You see, they thought they’d joined the wonderful West as full civilised members, law and order rules all, you’re a democracy right. We’ll have no more bullying here. Everything is subject to the law, except when our new powerful friends say otherwise.

    Despite persistent requests going back to 1999, when they joined with hopes of tomorrow, very little has been done to address their concerns.

    The West is reluctant to give them the defensive measures that would finally remove the threat from the East, whence they’d become their truly independent selves. Probably quite formidable, given time.

    Why?

    Whilst their partners in Europe are cuddling up to Russian interests behind the scenes, poor old Poland, very vulnerable Poland, with the least military resources, facing a walk over border with the beast, is the most openly and subversively aggressive against Russia, on behalf of their partners. Their very distant partners.

    Georgia.

    NATO: All for one, and one for all.

    On the borders. It’s everyone for themselves, usually. Borders are a release valve from authority.

    It can get quite human at times.

  344. Jermyn St. Jim.

    31 May, 2014 - 1:19 am

  345. All that drivel about Poland, Havashite, when Britain looked on and dithered when Poland was overun by the Nazi’s, because the yankee doodle dandy was not involved then.

    Poland was overun by the Germans first on their way to defeat east and on their return fleeing home. Then they were overun again by the ruthless Russian army, straffing them for letting the Krauts cross their lands.

    Your pathetic palpative rewriten here is naive and childish. Craig will enjoy a good laught on his return.

    Now carry on with usurping this blog, you poor sod.

  346. EU trying to use financial and legal (tendering process flawed?)pressure stop the South Stream gas pipeline to Europe, through Bulgaria:

    http://www.euractiv.com/video/barroso-warns-bulgaria-south-stream-case-we-will-act-50267

    even though the contract will bring Bulgaria more money than its annual EU “allowance”.

    Meanwhile, Russia is negotiating a deal to put the pipeline through Turkey:

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/turkey/137676/4500-syrians-flee-to-turkey-in-three-days

    And all because the US is suddenly in charge of EU policy.

    How stupid is this!

    Greece is also looking for a slice of the South Stream action… we all know they’d love to get away from the EU, and couldn’t be so easily bribed as Bulgaria.

  347. I often wondered where Cowper Coles, ex ambassador and HM special representative in Afghanistan and Pakistan, had washed up.

    ‘“Too big to jail” HSBC will also have representatives, the Group Chairman of HSBC Holdings, Douglas J. Flint, and his senior advisor Sherard Cowper-Coles. These mega banks have a longstanding record of financial fraud:

    “Goldman symbolizes master of the universe of financial manipulation (Reuters April 16, 2011) It’s been involved in nearly all financial scandals since the 19th century… In 2002, it was largely responsible for Greece’s debt problems. It involved circumventing Eurozone rules in return for mortgaging assets.

    Using creative accounting, debt was hidden through off-balance sheet shenanigans. Derivatives called cross-currency swaps were used. Government debt issued in dollars and yen was swapped for euros, then later exchanged back to original currencies.

    Debt entrapment followed. Greece was held hostage to repay it. The country’s been raped and pillaged. Paying bankers comes first. Doing it left Greeks impoverished, high and dry. Goldman profited enormously by scamming an entire country and millions in it.”(Stephen Lendman, Goldman Sachs: Making Money by Stealing It, sjlendman.blogspot.ca, 17 March 2012)’

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/bilderberg-2014-war-criminals-big-oil-and-too-big-to-jail-banksters-meet-in-secrecy/5384502

    ‘His first role as a head of mission was in Tel Aviv as the British Ambassador to Israel from 2001 to 2003′ Enough said.

    ‘In 2011 Cowper-Coles became BAE Systems’ international business development director, focusing on the Middle East and south-east Asia.[7] He is a committee member of the Saudi-British Society. [8]

    His appointment at BAE caused some controversy, since he is thought to have “had a profound effect” on the decision by Robert Wardle, then director of the UK’s Serious Fraud Office, to end an investigation into BAE’s allegedly corrupt dealings with Saudi Arabia.[9]‘ That fits.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherard_Cowper-Coles

  348. Mark ref your concern about the finances of 38 Degrees.

    They appear to be quite open about their finances. There is a link to their latest accounts within http://www.38degrees.org.uk/pages/donations-to-38-degrees

    and here is their board. http://www.38degrees.org.uk/pages/board/

    FAQ http://www.38degrees.org.uk/pages/faq/#petition

  349. I was speaking to someone yesterday, and we were discussing the referendum. He mentioned that his brother was the only male still alive from his primary school in Glasgow. Alcohol and substance abuse had claimed the lives of most of them, His brother was 53 years old.
    Rule brittania.

  350. ” All that drivel about Poland, Havashite, when Britain looked on and dithered when Poland was overun by the Nazi’s, ”

    Nazi invasion of Poland started 1st September 1939. Britain declared war on the 3rd. On the 17th in accordance with a secret treaty drawn up with Germany the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east, the county being divided up between the two. Poland surrendered on 6th October.

  351. doug scorgie

    31 May, 2014 - 9:48 am

    Anon
    30 May, 2014 – 6:49 pm

    “Sorry, but I won’t sign any petition instigated by hard leftist Lindsey German.”

    I imagine Anon that, to you and your fellow trolls, anyone to the left of Mrs Thatcher is “hard left.”

    “…something so manifestly wrong as the Iraq War…”

    Have you ever made any comments on this blog Anon, condemning the Iraq war?

  352. More Better Together dirty tricks. BBC website.

    Scottish independence: Vote No Borders advert pulled over child hospital claim
    The advert claimed Scots would find it difficult to get treatment at the children’s hospital after independence
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27632803

    B&Q investment to ‘pause’ after Yes
    The boss of the company that owns B&Q says investment would “pause” in Scotland following a “Yes” vote in the referendum.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27639649

  353. Fuck B&Q.

    DIY Scotland!

  354. “Chuck Hagel said the US would “not look the other way” when nations ignored international rules.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27646223

    Er… Mr Hagel, have you never heard of Israel?

  355. News just in:

    Her Serene Highness The Princess of Monaco has been shagging.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27643408

  356. These LDs take some beating. Now it’s Shirley Williams leaping to the defence of Rennard.

    One of the founding members of the Liberal Democrats has played down the seriousness of the issue of Lord Rennard’s alleged sexual harassment.

    Party peer Baroness Shirley Williams said the row had been “blown up”.

    Lord Rennard Lib Dem row ‘blown up’ – Shirley Williams
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27647721

    Her mother Vera Brittain feminist and pacifist would have disagreed strongly with her.

  357. Wikipedia’s new privacy policy.

    http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/07/launching-a-privacy-policy-built-the-wiki-way/

    What’s that about? Something to do with internet search providers being ordered by the EU to take down personal info on request this keeping the secrets of the gansters-in-charge secret.

  358. Habbabkuk

    You are not a troll darling. You are an invited guest so that predatory drone Hasbara trolls scanning this blog for anti-Zionist New World Order sarcasm will land and be dream-charmed by your insolent tripe and fly away again.

    That duck on the lake is a decoy.

  359. Thanks Mary – and some powerful exposures esp.

    30 May, 2014 – 4:42 pm – the Chilcot whitewash.

    As an important and successful vehicle to giving back function and capacity to ordinary folk my request to 38 degrees for individual board members remuneration was simply an exercise in economics out of interest and not an examination of probity.

  360. Pot calling kettle black.

    Khartoum is a centre of Sufism. Many Sudanese pray to their prophet, peace be upon him, instead of to Allah. If they persecute a Christian woman for praying to Jesus, they have to destroy the whole population who practise the same crime inside Islam..

    btw since when 9 x 9 isn’t 81, please?

  361. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 1:25 pm

    Herbie

    “The West is reluctant to give them {ie, Poland } the defensive measures that would finally remove the threat from the East”
    ___________________

    Thank you for confirming that Russia is a threat to Poland, Herbie.

    You are progressing and would progress even further if you would now finally answer my question:

    “I think you’re very angry with the Poles about something or other. What is it that makes you so angry?”

    Why are you so angry with Poland, Herbie?

  362. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 1:32 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “I imagine Anon that, to you and your fellow trolls, anyone to the left of Mrs Thatcher is “hard left.””
    ____________________-

    As usual, Doug, your imagination and that of your fellow bitches is working overtime.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Have you ever made any comments on this blog Anon, condemning the Iraq war?”
    ____________________

    Have you ever made any comments on this blog, Doug, condemning Russian actions in Eastern Europe from 1944 to 1990?

    If so, please provide links of course.

  363. I’m angry with Poland because they prevented us qualifying for the 1974 World Cup, and destroyed Bobby Moore’s reputation all in one go! LOL.

    I would also be have been angry with Argentina about Maradonna’s “Hand of God” goal, but I thought the Argentina had already suffered enough for Galtieri and being on the wrong end of Thatcher’s wrath.

  364. * Argentinian People.

  365. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 3:02 pm

    Can anyone on this blog ( perhaps one of the wise Excellences? ) name one country in the world – other than Russia – whose Head of State is a former secret policeman?

  366. Well, there’s a wind up, Habby!

    Look no further than the USA. I believe George Bush senior was Head of the CIA before becoming a Senator, and wasn’t there a Hoover family association between intelligence and State? I think that’s why the US doesn’t make more of it regarding Putin. You’re welcome to though… although aren’t people encouraged these days to have a second career?

  367. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    31 May, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    It’s pretty pervasive. So pervasive many can’t see the forest for the trees…lol.

    http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Story-Obama_CIA_Creation_Part_4

  368. Why are you so angry with Russia, habby.

    Don’t bother. I know. It’s so awfully annoying when anything gets in the way of your plans for world domination, eh.

    For my part I’ve made it very clear that I’m concerned with Poland’s western dominated leadership, following an American policy ill-suited to long term Polish interests in the region they inhabit.

    I’ve pointed out that they’ve fallen foul of such errors many times in the past and have yet to learn the lesson.

    I’ve further pointed out that NATO and the West have little interest in their security, yet leave them to continually prick the beast whilst the West itself is cozying up to the same beast behind the scenes.

    I am concerned, you see.

    I think the West is using them and they again will pay the price.

  369. A gift suggestion for the poster @ four above. Some Secret Policeman’s Balls.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkQhK8O9Jik&list=PLAC478AEF2EE10B1E

  370. How dare they! We really are the Sooty and Sweep of the US glove puppeteers.

    Was it:

    US spy drone flies…..

    or

    US spy drones fly….

    Typo in the heading.

    US spy drones flies in UK airspace for the first time
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27626879

  371. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    31 May, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    I thought Habba was all jacked-in and a sagacious member of the dark forces. To leave himself open with such an elementary question speaks more to his arrogant dismissal of anything that doesn’t fit his widget-shaped world.

    http://williamblum.org/aer/read/65

    “The odd part of Obama’s story is that he doesn’t mention the name of his employer. However, a New York Times story of 2007 identifies the company as Business International Corporation. Equally odd is that the Times did not remind its readers that the newspaper itself had disclosed in 1977 that Business International had provided cover for four CIA employees in various countries between 1955 and 1960.

    The British journal, Lobster Magazine – which, despite its incongruous name, is a venerable international publication on intelligence matters – has reported that Business International was active in the 1980s promoting the candidacy of Washington-favored candidates in Australia and Fiji. In 1987, the CIA overthrew the Fiji government after but one month in office because of its policy of maintaining the island as a nuclear-free zone, meaning that American nuclear-powered or nuclear-weapons-carrying ships could not make port calls. After the Fiji coup, the candidate supported by Business International, who was much more amenable to Washington’s nuclear desires, was reinstated to power – R.S.K. Mara was Prime Minister or President of Fiji from 1970 to 2000, except for the one-month break in 1987.

    In his book, not only doesn’t Obama mention his employer’s name; he fails to say when he worked there, or why he left the job. There may well be no significance to these omissions, but inasmuch as Business International has a long association with the world of intelligence, covert actions, and attempts to penetrate the radical left – including Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) – it’s valid to wonder if the inscrutable Mr. Obama is concealing something about his own association with this world.

  372. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    31 May, 2014 - 4:15 pm

    Oil? Future wars will be over water rights.

    http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/new-turkish-aggression-against-syria-ankara-suspends-pumping-euphrates’-water

    “The Turkish government recently cut off the flow of the Euphrates River, threatening primarily Syria but also Iraq with a major water crisis. Al-Akhbar found out that the water level in Lake Assad has dropped by about six meters, leaving millions of Syrians without drinking water.

    Two weeks ago, the Turkish government once again intervened in the Syrian crisis. This time was different from anything it had attempted before and the repercussions of which may bring unprecedented catastrophes onto both Iraq and Syria.

    Violating international norms, the Turkish government recently cut off the water supply of the Euphrates River completely. In fact, Ankara began to gradually reduce pumping Euphrates water about a month and half ago, then cut if off completely two weeks ago, according to information received by Al-Akhbar.”

  373. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    31 May, 2014 - 4:23 pm

    “‘It could be anybody – antagonists from either side.’”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644058/Do-not-walk-dog-Muslims-not-like-dogs-Fury-poster-discovered-near-popular-London-park-warns-dog-walkers-stay-Islamic-areas.html#ixzz33JAQbjIK
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    I suspect it’s an Islamophobe trying to wind everyone up.

  374. kempe, thanks for the dates, but sadly Germany’s invasion and threats to Poland were known since they walked all over Austria, Britain knew of their plans well in advance.

  375. The MP quoted made a scene at a constituent’s wedding because his wife could not sit with him. I think he knew full well what happens at a Muslim wedding. Same applies in a synagogue Mr Fitzpatrick.

    Government minister under fire for walking out of Muslim wedding
    Jim Fitzpatrick criticised for leaving the segregated ceremony after being told he could not sit with his wife
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/aug/14/minister-criticised-muslim-wedding-segregation

  376. ” Britain knew of their plans well in advance. ”

    Possibly why the agreement guaranteeing Poland’s borders was signed. Didn’t act as the deterrent expected though.

  377. Not so much a forest Ben more like a grove in Kent with right-wing Nigel Farage fingering British nationalism to conjure a distinct party at the center-ground of British public opinion.

  378. doug scorgie

    31 May, 2014 - 8:13 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    31 May, 2014 – 1:32 pm

    “Have you ever made any comments on this blog, Doug, condemning Russian actions in Eastern Europe from 1944 to 1990?”

    Totally irrelevant Habbabkuk; just a diversionary tactic on your part.

    Anon said that the Iraq war was manifestly wrong yet he has never, to my knowledge, criticised the actions of the west in that war.

    He has not replied to my question.

    He is a shithead like you so I don’t expect an answer.

  379. They knew what was coming, Kempe, and theAdmirality and foreing office and war office thought,still, after Hitler annexed Austria, that he might just be bluffing? that he would not dare to invade Poland?
    what piffling excuse. Sorry but i really do not want to hark on about it as I have become a grand dad today, sod history, politics and all sorts.

    Could not get me shoppin’ done, my mind was in perplexual arse for tittage today…:)
    He looks lovely…..

  380. Congrats Nevermind. It is always nice to hear good news like that. Welcome to the world little one. Sorry we have made such a mess of it.

  381. Congratulations Nevermind.

    I have turned into a super liberal parent. When the youngsters are naughty, or un kind I shower them with Love like they are the victim of the unsuitable behaviour.

    So far so good.

    @ Mike

    Sorry mate anything is worth conceiving to improve thing en-masse.
    Isn’t it the butterfly effect or something?.
    Reckon kindness is the way to go and wishfully thinking as you know.

  382. Yes, congrats Nevermind. I recently had that pleasure as well.

    Mary: perhaps we should say “sorry we let them make such a mess of it”. It wasn’t quite such a mess 50 years ago, and that must be something to do with the generation before us. Guess we were soporified by gadgets and TV.

  383. I’ve just had a terrible thought. Iraq WMD case didn’t get passed at the UNSC because the African nations voted against. So neutralise Syria, put a black president into the White House and try again… yep it works! Russia isolated in the UN Security Council.

    Others apparently don’t think Obama is doing such a good job:

    http://rt.com/news/162740-bilderberg-meeting-leak-agenda/

  384. Kindness should be part and parcel of life, Jay. But the psychos in charge of the out-of-control US war machine are ruled by death and controlled by the lies they tell themselves.

  385. Congratulations Nevermind!

    Best wishes to all :-)

  386. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    1 Jun, 2014 - 2:50 am

    Squonk blog down. Hope AA isn’t down permanently.

  387. The next McCain

    1 Jun, 2014 - 5:12 am

    When they inducted normal people they naturally fragged the officers so now the troops are all schizoids and mental defectives. It’s a whole new way to lose a war.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607?print=true

    https://wikileaks.org/afg/event/2009/06/AFG20090630n1790.html

  388. Nevermind, please pass on my congratulations…

  389. Palestinian resistance. A weapon transformed into a thing of beauty.

    Under The Olive Tree (CKUT.ca)

    Palestinians plant flowers in Israeli tear gas canisters: http://bit.ly/1e0Ngzk

    West Bank garden of teargas canisters – in pictures: http://bit.ly/17w2Lxo

    From a Canadian radio station’s facebook page
    https://www.facebook.com/uot.ckut/info

  390. Congratulations to you too peacewisher, and thanks for the good wishes. Lets hope the same good luck will be bestowed on to the Independent campaign. The more one looks into Osborne’s financial juggling, the more one realises that the dependency might be the other way round.

    Its Britain that needs Scotlands fishing industry, their armorical knowhow, their deep water ports and their oil and gas.RBS is a bit of a liability at times but I’m sure that they can find a Canadian to sort that out.

    Can they also have a referendum on the same day for a dedicated official ‘Trump dunking day’, were all gather and watch Donald being blessed with an ancient $ iron around the chops, in scottish waters off course, each and every year, to keep him cleansed form his past and ongoing sins…..;)

  391. should have been ‘ancient 4 iron’

  392. Craig mentioned the Purnell effect before ie BBC carrying the Labour prop. This is another example which I read this on the BBC website. The neoliberals are alive and well in the Liebour Party, supporting privatisation.

    Blair aide warns Labour over public service strategy
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27647728

    Lord Wood? Who he? Never heard of him. He is a Miliband peer and a paid adviser to Miliband
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Wood,_Baron_Wood_of_Anfield

    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-wood-of-anfield/4217

    Nita Clarke is the daughter in law of Tony Benn and Emily Benn’s mother. Note Emily’s support of Iraq war on the Wiki page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Benn

    Emily attempted to become an MP but she is starting at the bottom and is a new councillor in Croydon.

    Stephen Benn, Nita Clarke’s husband.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/16/tony-benn-title-father He is taking the title of his late father! FFS

    http://www.ipa-involve.com/about-us/ipa-people/ Nita Clarke’s employment.

    What a bunch.

  393. Hasn’t Mother Nature done away with the Trump aberration on Scotland’s Eastern coast yet? I hoped the winter storms and the floods would have done their worst and covered the thing in sand and debris.

    He is messing in US politics I see. Tea party stuff.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/05/30/donald-trump-goes-mainstream/

  394. Ou est notre ami?

  395. This is Julie Levesque who works at Global Research with Prof Chossudovsky,

    She has been on a Free Gaza voyage.

    Julie Lévesque is a journalist and researcher with the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), Montréal. She was among the first independent journalists to visit Haiti in the wake of the January 2010 earthquake. In 2011, she was aboard the ‘Spirit of Rachel Corrie,’ the only humanitarian vessel to breach Gaza’s territorial waters before being shot at by the Israeli Navy. http://www.globalresearch.ca/

  396. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jun, 2014 - 12:28 pm

    Mary, with reference to Habbabkuk:

    “I see the toddling troll got his places bottom and top of the pages. Totally puerile.”

    __________________

    And who got in at the bottom of page 2 and the very top of page 3?

    But without attracting a comment from anyone :)

  397. Charge Blair with contempt of Parliament – only then will we know if he lied over Iraq: An explosive proposal from former foreign secretary DAVID OWEN as crucial evidence from Chilcot Inquiry is censored

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2645051/Charge-Blair-contempt-Parliament-know-lied-Iraq-An-explosive-proposal-former-foreign-secretary-DAVID-OWEN-crucial-evidence-Chilcot-Inquiry-censored.html

    Excuse the link ;) – the story is worth it.

  398. Peacewisher

    1 Jun, 2014 - 1:53 pm

    Thanks, Nevermind. But I do have concerns for the world, or even country, that our grandchildren will be growing up in.

    One thing we can ALL do is get the Chilcot Inquiry properly concluded with all the evidence on show. Even a BBC Any Questions audience seemed to be almost overwhelmingly in favour of this. I know Hutton managed to get Blair & Co. off the hook regarding David Kelly, but I don’t think there will be one person writing the conclusions this time…

  399. Ben wrote:

    Squonk blog down. Hope AA isn’t down permanently.

    1st of Month bug since I updated some software to latest version. If you recall it also happened on the 1st May and will probably happen again on 1st July unless I figure out why the monthly housekeeping process thinks it needs to regenerate the web server configuration files – which wouldn’t be a problem if mine weren’t manually edited.

  400. Oh dear, I’m not a techie Squonk. Can you not rid yourselfs of the 1st of every month and then re-date on the 5th.back to the original date? would such hellish Baldrickery work?

  401. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jun, 2014 - 2:20 pm

    Gotta hand it to the old girl…!

    Out of 405 comments so far on this thread, one female commenter (no names, no pack drill, eh!) has accounted for 78 – in other words, one person has been responsible for just under one fifth of all comments.

    Thread’s been going for about 5 days, so that makes about 15 comments per day, spread throughout the day.

    ____________

    Even two other regular commenters (one with a devil’s handle and the other whose initials are JG) appear to be slacking by contrast, and Herbie, Mr Scorgie and Mike are simply nowhere. Buck up, lads!

  402. Nevermind,

    The sticking plaster fix would be for me just to add an extra routine to run on the 1st of the Month after the housekeeping task finishes and have it copy over my manually edited file over the top of the freshly generated one. Before I do that though I’d rather find the reason for the regeneration in the first place – if I can’t then I’ll have the alternative “fix” in place in time for July.

    Annoyingly the server is actually down again due to a hardware problem at the hosting site. They are currently working on the problem.

  403. I’ve just managed to reach Squonk via http://squonk.no-ip.biz/blog/
    Very slow, though. I’ll try to post a comment…

  404. Uh, no, the version at http://squonk.no-ip.biz/blog/ is still on April 23… The connection timed out before the whole page loaded.

  405. I don’t suppose BLiar has sufficient peace of mind to enable him to sit with friends and family and enjoy their company in a garden he has created as I did in my garden this afternoon. I count myself very fortunate.

    He must always be looking for angles.

    May 30, 2014 9:02 pm

    Tony Blair seeks ‘pro-European role’ to fight rise of populism
    By Jim Pickard, Kiran Stacey and Alex Barker in Brussels

    Former prime minister Tony Blair©Reuters (photo)

    Tony Blair is looking for a prominent pan-European role in the fight against euroscepticism as he seeks to re-engage with the British political debate.

    The former UK prime minister offered his services in a “pro-European role” during a meeting with Angela Merkel, the German chancellor on Tuesday, according to people familiar with the matter, just hours after the result of elections which saw a rise of anti-EU parties across the continent.

    Earlier this week his office said it saw him acting as an unpaid advocate of the benefits of the EU but also of the need for it to reform itself. “He’s very interested in playing a pro-European role, which is why he has been out talking about the arguments for it,” an aide said.

    /..
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/930a2480-e750-11e3-8b4e-00144feabdc0.html

    The comments are pretty scathing. Does he know or does he even care how much he is disliked? Probably not. A psychopath.

  406. Crooks and murderers.

    More Than 900 Workers Have Already Died Building Qatar’s World Cup Infrastructure

    The International Trade Union Confederation says that if conditions don’t improve, at least 4,000 migrants will die before kick-off
    By Rose Eveleth March 13, 2014
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/smart-news/over-900-workers-have-already-died-building-qatars-world-cup-facilities-180950088/

    Qatar Committee Rejects World Cup Bribe Claims
    Fifa is under increasing pressure to re-run the vote on who should host the 2022 World Cup after new allegations of corruption.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1273200/qatar-committee-rejects-world-cup-bribe-claims

    Blatter and the lot of them to that cold dark island that is awaiting BLiar.

  407. Excoriating stuff from Paul Flynn on Chilcot. How about the worm called Peter Jay? (remember him – the smoothie ex son in law of Callaghan)

    http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2014/05/peter-jay-and-the-chilcot-shits.html

    Other posts there too, inc one on Rory Stewart whom he supports as the new chair of the Defence committee and one on the Scottish referendum.

  408. Obomber will not appreciate this. No gratitude! Nor will McCain.

    Bowe Bergdahl’s Father on Twitter: “I Am Working to Free All Guantanamo Prisoners… ameen”

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, June 1, 2014, 9:02 AM

    Former Taliban POW Bowe Bergdahl’s father posted a disturbing tweet following the release of his son yesterday by the Taliban.

    Robert Bergdahl tweeted:

    “I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen!”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/bowe-bergdahls-father-on-twitter-i-am-working-for-release-of-all-gitmo-prisoners/

  409. Clark,

    The alternative DNS address currently points back to the old Amazon server with an old copy of the database. I’d decided that if the new squonk server was down for more than 4 hours I’d restore the latest backup to the Amazon server and point squonk.tk back there. I was just about to start the process when the VPS fortuitously came back online.

  410. doug scorgie

    1 Jun, 2014 - 8:09 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    1 Jun, 2014 – 2:20 pm

    “Out of 405 comments so far on this thread, one female commenter (no names, no pack drill, eh!) has accounted for 78 – in other words, one person has been responsible for just under one fifth of all comments.”

    So what Habbabkuk?

    Mary’s posts are interesting and politically relevant.

    Whereas yours are mere slimy ejaculate from a useless tosser.

  411. Wonder if he has a few counters missing on his abacus! Since he made his pointless comment, I have added another 4. Including those, I have contributed 19.9% of the posts here which I hope have been mostly informative.

    He, the RI, on the other hand has made 56 contributions, ie 13.4% most of which are inane and insulting.

    But who’s counting?

  412. Bilderberg

    RT gives us the real agenda.
    Bilderberg actually talks nukes, euro nationalism and… Barack Obama – leak
    http://rt.com/news/162740-bilderberg-meeting-leak-agenda/

    The Guardian version
    Bilderberg on Ukraine: military chiefs, arms bosses and billionaire speculators
    A gathering of those who stand to make a killing out of knowing where and when the bombs might fall, how many and on whom
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/31/bilderberg-ukraine-summit

    Balls was late and lost his pass!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/30/ed-balls-bilderberg-video_n_5416543.html

  413. BrianFujisan

    1 Jun, 2014 - 9:53 pm

    Nevermind Congratulations… hope all is well… And cheers for photos comment over At Sqounk… the image you liked was about 6 feet high… there is another of that one with the Live Katana on it…
    Peacewisher congrats to you too…

    Busy with everyone’s petitions…

    Cheers Mary..38 degrees is at 161,740 signatures

    Peacewisher… No Nato Military exercises in Ukraine at 4,096 Eh ????

    Doug… Meriam Yehya Ibrahim…at 735,906…

    Cheers folks

    now to Bliar, bush n Chillcot

    i see Peace wisher was ahead of the game on this one

    Chilcot’s comic opera hiding Bush-Blair lies distracts us from looming disaster in Syria

    British and American policy has been to pretend that we support the “moderate” military opposition, but this no longer exists inside Syria. The anti-Assad rebels are overwhelmingly dominated by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis), formerly al-Qa’ida in Iraq, Jabhat al-Nusra, the official representative of what the Americans call al-Qa’ida central, and some other jihadi groups. Only one Syrian provincial city out of 14 has fallen to the opposition. This is Raqqa in the east of country, which is today held by Isis, who recently crucified some of their opponents in the main square.

    Obama sees the problem, but his prescription of what to do is only going to exacerbate it. He will avoid direct US military action, but will outsource support for the rebels – now too toxic for the US to arm directly – to countries such as Turkey, across whose 510-mile-long border with Syria extreme jihadis pass without hindrance. The situation is not without precedent: after the overthrow in Cambodia of the Khmer Rouge, the murderers of more than a million of their own people, by the Vietnamese army in 1979, the US, China and Britain backed Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge leader, and recognised his government as Cambodia’s true representative at the UN. It was subsequently revealed that the British covertly gave military training to armed groups associated with the Khmer Rouge.

    The jihadi insurgent movements in Syria are the Islamic version of the Khmer Rouge who, like their Cambodian predecessors, dominate the rebel-held enclaves. Moreover, Isis has seized much of western Iraq right up to the western outskirts of Baghdad. Iraqi security forces are capturing sophisticated weapons from Isis originally supplied by US and British allies to supposed moderate rebels in Syria.

    The potential for disaster in Syria in 2014 is, in many ways, greater than in Iraq in 2003. In this growing crisis, the Chilcot inquiry comic opera is playing a small but ignoble role.

    Full piece @

    http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/the-comic-opera-hiding-the-bush-blair-iraq-secrets-distracts-us-from-the-looming-disaster-in-syria#.U4uFONJdWqg

  414. Agree with 99% of this post but Danny Alexander’s “huge arse” is confusing me. Is his arse that huge? When have you seen it Craig? I haven’t and have no wish to, but i’m guessing its probably no bigger than yours (or mine), though i am pretty fat these days.

  415. @Brian: Thank you re grandparenting. The most interesting thing for me that came out of the Chilcot interviews was Tony Blair explaining that perception was all that mattered (he meant in relation to post-911, but probably also just about every big issue).

    He said that without any irony in his voice, as if perception just emerges, as if by a force of nature. However, we all know where that perception really comes from… the media. There can never be a true democracy unless there is an independent media (I think this was in one of the sections of the UN Charter on Human Rights).

  416. BrianFujisan

    1 Jun, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    Peacewisher

    i think you may be refering to ( Article’s 17, 18, and 19 ) in this section -

    The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) was adopted by UNGA Resolution 2200 A (XXI) of 16 December 1966. It entered into force 23 March 1976. As of March 2010, 165 states were party to the Covenant and a further nine signatories were pending ratification.

    Part I of the Covenant contains only one article, Article 1, the right to self-determination, which is identical to Article 1 ICESCR. Part II of the Covenant contains Articles 2 to 5, which refer to the nature of obligations, the territorial and personal scope of the Covenant and the principle of non-discrimination (Article 2) which is complemented by Article 3, guaranteeing the equality between men and women in the enjoyment of the Covenant rights. Article 4 allows states to take measures derogating from their obligations under the Covenant and Article 5 establishes a prohibition of abuse of rights (Article 5(1)) and a saving clause (Article 5(2)). Part III of the Covenant contains the following substantive rights: the right to life (Article 6); freedom from torture, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment (Article 7); freedom from slavery, servitude and forced labour (Article 8); rights to liberty and security of the person (Article 9); right of detained persons to humane treatment (Article 10); freedom from imprisonment for inability to fulfil a contract (Article 11); freedom of movement (Article 12); right of aliens to due process when expelled (Article 13); right to a fair trial (Article 14); freedom from retroactive criminal law (Article 15); right to recognition as a person before the law (Article 16); right to privacy (Article 17); freedom of thought, conscience, and religion (Article 18); freedom of opinion and expression (Article 19); freedom from war propaganda and freedom from incitement to racial, religious or national hatred (Article 20); freedom of assembly (Article 21); freedom of association (Article 22); right of protection of the family and the right to marry (Article 23); right of protection of the child (Article 24); right of participation in public life (Article 25); right to equality before the law and right of non-discrimination (Article 26); and rights of minorities (Article 27).

  417. Interesting, Brian. We all know that the US didn’t sign up to the 30 articles of UNCHR, although they encourage other countries to follow them:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTlrSYbCbHE

    but did they sign up to ICCPR? I suspect not.

  418. “There can never be a true democracy unless there is an independent media”
    and without human involvement.

  419. Excellent recent article on principle of “do as we say not as we do…”, when it comes to human rights:

    http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/3/the-us-lacks-moralauthorityonhumanrights.html

  420. Wibble.

  421. Thanks Dd

    The perfect guide for following, champion that with animal rights and global responsibility.

    It is our duty to learn them.

  422. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 8:23 am

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/02/tony-blair-calls-european-elections-wake-up-call_n_5429677.html

    (all papers)

    Seems the little (fill this space with excrement) Blair is saturating the media with announcements of what he is about to announce (the bleeding obvious – move on, there’s nothing of substance to see) He’s definitely up to something.

    Now ask me who Cameron would like to see as Euro Commissioner rather than Merkel’s choice, Juncker… someone who has disagreed with Juncker in the past, perhaps?

    http://cordis.europa.eu/news/rcn/24028_en.html

    Hmmm. Not that I see too much wrong with what Blair was saying at the time. The bleeding obvious, but Juncker doesn’t seem to think so.

  423. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 9:06 am

  424. He’s still jockeying for position.

    Tony Blair tells Europe to wake up to reform

    Michael Savage and David Charter June 2 2014

    Ukip’s election victory is a “wake-up call” on the need to reform Europe, Tony Blair is to say today.

    The former prime minister will warn that support for Eurosceptic parties across the continent had exposed “deep anxiety, distrust and alienation from the institutions and the core philosophy of Europe”. In a keynote speech, he will urge pro-Europeans to accept the need for change, and not allow Eurosceptics to lead the debate. “The victories of Ukip in the UK and the National Front in France and the election of parties across the continent on explicitly ‘anti-the-status-quo in Europe’ platforms signify something. They cannot be ignored,” he will say. “The election results matter. They are a wake-up call to Europe and to Britain. Our response in Europe as in Britain should be to lead, not follow.”

    His intervention comes amid attempts by David Cameron to block…

    ..http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4106432.ece
    (paywall)

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4106432.ece

  425. Bungs R Us

    Another YCNMIU

    BLiar’s pal Goldsmith (signed off the Dodgy Dossier if I remember correctly) is on FIFA’s Independent Governance Committee.

    2022 vote must be re-run if corruption proved – Goldsmith …

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/02/uk-soccer-fifa-qatar-idUKKBN0ED0JQ20140602

    ~~~

    Independent Governance Committee
    Chairman
    Mark PIETH Switzerland
    Deputy Chairman –
    Member
    Jose Luis ASTIAZARAN Spain (League President)
    Peter GOLDSMITH England (former UK Attorney General)
    Leonardo GROSSO Italy (FIFPro President)
    Carlos HELLER Argentina (Club representative)
    Michael HERSHMAN USA (Fairfax Group)
    Guillermo JORGE Argentina
    James KLOTZ Canada (Miller Thompson LLP)
    Francois MORINIERE France

  426. One down. A few dozen more to go.

    King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicating
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27662301

  427. What revolting Occupiers.

    80,000 Palestinians left without tap water for three months

    NEWS / Posted by Friends of Al-Aqsa / Sunday, 01st June, 2014

    Tens of thousands of Palestinian residents in East Jerusalem have spent three months without running water, despite petitions and calls from human rights bodies after an Israeli water utility company stopped supplies in March.

    Hagihon, Jerusalem’s water utility company, stopped regular supplies of running water to several neighborhoods in occupied East Jerusalem, such as Shu’fat Refugee Camp, Ras Khamis, Ras Sh’hadeh and Dahiyat a-Salam, said a statement from the website of B’Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories.

    The camps are located inside Jerusalem’s municipal boundaries and isolated from the rest of the city by the Separation Barrier.

    According to B’Tselem, some households in these camps “have been completely cut off from the water supply” while others “receive water intermittently.”

    “As for the rest, the water pressure in the pipes is so low that the water does not reach the faucets,”says the statement.

    As a result, between 60,000 and 80,000 Palestinians, the majority of whom are permanent Israeli residents, have been left without a regular water supply, adds the organization.

    /..
    http://www.foa.org.uk/news/up-to-80000-palestinians-left-without-tap-water-for-three-months

    The daily temperature in Jerusalem in the past week has ranged between 27C and 38C.

  428. Is Blair immune from prosecution if he manages to bully himself into a leading EU position? would not surprise me.

    I suppose he would like to stop farm subsidies aqnd rather invest in arms R&D, or what was he on about? He failed as peace envoy and he failed parliament over Iraq, whatever Chilcott says, he can’t wish away Blair lying to Parliament.

  429. Habbabkuk @ 1 Jun,2014-2:20 pm

    If you do a word count, it would be even more extraordinary. My guess is in the vicinity of 30% of all words on this thread, but only about 5-10% being original content.

    - – - -

    Unrelated.. Here’s an uplifting video of a kid with pluck, defying convention :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXespwyiefY

  430. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 10:30 am

    Actually, I think Blair at the top of the Euro pile would very effectively destroy the EU. Farage needs to support his candidacy. That’s because Blair doesn’t do detail, and he sees issues only as black-and-white. Not what the EU needs at all; still less someone who’s either in Zurich picking up his sinecure money, some godforsaken Central Asian despotism sucking the oilteat, or Jerusalem, taking a percentage of any international aid aimed at the Palestinians while enthusiastically rimming Netanyahu.

  431. @Mary

    Lord Goldsmith on Radio 5 speaking of FIFA and the World Cup true to form he said all answers are to to transparent….

    No with international diplomacy all dialogue should be true to form and in the open. That’s democracy.

  432. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 10:46 am

    Mr Scorgie and Mary opine, respectively:

    “Mary’s posts are interesting and politically relevant.”

    and

    “posts here which I hope have been mostly informative.”
    __________________________

    Well, “interesting” is a subjective judgement to which Doug has every right of course; however, others outside the family might have a slightly different opinion. All part of the rich and democratic diversity of blogging life!

    “Politically relevant” is a bit of a lazy and meaningless expression, isn’t it and is usually used by the ignorant or obsessive to justify scribbling about just about anything. A week without rain could be considered politically relevant insofar as it could be claimed that it is due to climate change which in turn results from political decisions taken on energy policy which are in turn taken because of…..and so on and so on. So Doug’s defence of Mary is not especially convincing and, moreover leaves entirely to one side the question of relevance to the subject of any particular thread…

    Un peu de discipline, mes amis!

    “Mostly informative” – well, yes, but this raises the question do we need to have a kind of “newswire service”, especially since most of us are, I suppose, capable of looking up anything we’re particularly interested in ourselves (we are all adults, apart from SKN of course)and some of do do have access ourselves to the various media (both MSM and “alternative” or “dissident) Mary keeps cutting and pasting from.

    It could indeed even be argued that Mary’s newswire service is something of an attempt to force certain themes down the blog reader’s throat; it assumes his interest in those themes, something which in fairness cannot be assumed. Unless, of course, the function of this blog is merely to provide an echo chamber for a score or so of “alternative” or “dissident” voices whose principal concern is to mutually reinforce one another’s views; this would of course explain why the appearance of people who do not subscribe to the pensée unique (myself and subsequently a few others) had given rise to such agitation among the 20 or so regulars whom I thought it would correct to refer to as the “Excellences”.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Anyway, if I feel O need a change from beach volley and my other healthy pursuits over the next few months I may do some more detailed analysis of who posts how often. It may be that, just as 1% of the population apparently owns 50% of the wealth, a half dozen posters on here account for 80% of the traffic.

    A suivre….

  433. Was it my post about the abomination of the Israelis denying drinking water to 80,000 Palestinians that brought the two attack poodles in?

  434. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 11:16 am

  435. If Blair were to get the EU presidency, wouldn’t it mean that he’d have to be more open about his finances.

    Anyway, reports are indicating that Merkel (changed her mind), Hollande, Cameron and the Italian bloke are coming out against Juncker, so that leaves Schultz for the opposition, with dark horse Blair tearing up the inside as the compromise candidate.

    I suspect that Cameron would support Blair, at this time. Can’t see the Russians being displeased either.

    It’d be interesting to hear that question put to Cameron, forcefully, just to see how he handles it.

  436. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 11:34 am

    “Was it my post about the abomination of the Israelis denying drinking water to 80,000 Palestinians that brought the two attack poodles in?”
    _________________-

    No, not at all, Mary.

    I was meaning to post that for a while anyway and then thought that the moment had come when I saw Mr Scorgie’s fawning “defence”.

    Hope that clarifies.

  437. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 11:45 am

    Wow. This one flew completely under the radar. Three days before his Swedish trip,* Tony was in China, rocking globalisation for Ernst and Young.

    http://www.ey.com/CN/en/Services/Strategic-Growth-Markets/EY-Strategic-Growth-Forum-China-Speakers

    Hard to find out what he said, or how much a word he trousered for it, but here’s a nice picture instead:

    https://twitter.com/CPAlexander_EY/status/469656156353597440

    *Ba’al Zevul (I think: 29 May, 2014 – 12:59 pm

  438. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 11:46 am

    …dark horse Blair tearing up the inside as the compromise candidate.

    I suspect that Cameron would support Blair, at this time. Can’t see the Russians being displeased either.

    That’s what it looks like to me.

  439. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 12:00 pm

    Re. the finances, I doubt the EU would be able to force the two crucial LP companies in Blair’s network to open their books at all. If it did, there would be a lot of structural ambiguity melding charitable money with weasel money. And then there’d be untraceable offshore assets, property held in other names, you name it. Much of Tony’s cash isn’t actually Tony’s you see, unless he explicitly wants it to be. He might be required to drop his current employment though…and that makes this theory rather attractive:-

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/tony-blair-the-return-former-pm-seeks-eu-saviour-role-9465860.html

    Note, “unpaid”. That of course is completely counter to the Blair modus operandi, but wait. What would Morgan Stanley, Zurich and potentially other big players pay for an agent-in-place?

  440. Jemand linked to an injustice in Yemen but fails to mention the great injustice of extrajudicial killings of Yemeni nationals by Obama’s drones.

    Qaeda says kills ‘spies’ for aiding U.S. drone strikes in Yemen
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/02/us-yemen-alqaeda-idUSKBN0ED0NJ20140602

    ‘Yemen is the main stronghold of AQAP, one of the Islamist militant group’s most aggressive wings. The United States acknowledges using drones in Yemen but does not comment publicly on the practice.

    In April, a series of drone strikes killed about 65 militants in southern and central provinces. Yemen’s army followed up with an air and ground offensive to dislodge AQAP fighters from their main strongholds in the south.’

    There are AQ spies in Yemen just as there are Israeli spies in Gaza and Occupied Palestine and elsewhere.

  441. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 1:28 pm

    Ba’al Zevul, Herbie, etc

    No need to get excited about Tony Blair and a possible top EU job.

    Listen to Habbabkuk.

    Blair is not going to get any of the forthcoming package of top EU jobs and he us not even a dark horse: he is in any event disqualified from a couple of them, he has no chance of getting any of the ones he is not disqualified from and he is not even a dark horse. Read nothing into the reported visit to Berlin.

    It is not to be ruled out (although I don’t think it’s very likely) that he may be given the task of “leading” a “reflection group” of something like “the future shape of Europe”. It wouldn’t be the first time that Heads have pulled this one out of the hat – eg before a conference on Treaty changes – on order to give the impression of taking stick, listening and so firth and it could happen either after the package of appointments has been agreed or, indeed, before. But this would be nothing like Giscard’s Constitutional Convention which preceded Lisbon and it should be noted that once produced, any report would be – not for the first time – swiftly and deservedly forgotten.

    However.

    Think laterally and ask yourselves the question – is the EU the only game in ol’ Brussels town? ……

    ***********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  442. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 1:30 pm

    One dark horse too many in the above – never mind!

  443. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 1:49 pm

    Jemand commented -

    Habbabkuk @ 1 Jun,2014-2:20 pm

    If you do a word count, it would be even more extraordinary. My guess is in the vicinity of 30% of all words on this thread, but only about 5-10% being original content.

    If I have deduced correctly the subject of your discussion here, Habbabreak ™ instantly vaporises all known nuisances. Or, in this case, both of them.

  444. To be sure, NATO may suit him much better. Cometh the hour cometh the famous war leader.

    He’s always seemed to prefer the quick and the dead over the slow strangulation of bureaucracy and finance.

    About the most sensible suggestion you’ve made in the past three years.

    Place your bets.

  445. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 2:15 pm

    Herbie

    “About the most sensible suggestion you’ve made in the past three years.”
    __________________

    You patronising git! :)

    Actually, I don’t mind. But I would just point out, Herbie, that (1) it was a well-informed hint, not a suggestion, and (2) I’ve only been on this blog for a year and a bit.

    _____________________

    BTW, the last “reflection group” was one headed by former PM Felipe Gonzalez and had as its members luminaries such as former Prezzie Lech Walesa and CBI Prezzie (I think) Richard Lambert. It was convened a couple of years after Lisbon, sat for a year or so at regular intervals and eventually produced a report. Ever heard of the report? No, I didn’t think so – even I can’t even remember the title.

    But all that – itself hypothetical – might be overtaken by the other show in town.
    No reason why a Fogh shouldn’t be replaced by a F**k.

  446. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 2:20 pm

    He’s always seemed to prefer the quick and the dead over the slow strangulation of bureaucracy and finance.

    I beg to differ. He’s always been keenly interested in his own finance. And NATO is as much of a bureaucratic nightmare as the EU. While he may still not be past his sell-by in the US, which would be the only party that mattered in any NATO appointment (as it was for his recruitment as Quartet representative) there are probably hundreds of Americans ahead of him in any putative queue for work these days; younger, better at detail, less of a Napoleon complex and above all American.

  447. Jans from the fjords already has the job, but that don’t matter.

    Withdrawal, citing family circumstances, comforted with a large wedge and sauna extension is not unheard of, especially when the greatest leader of all time is interested.

  448. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 2:34 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “there are probably hundreds of Americans ahead of him in any putative queue for work these days; younger, better at detail, less of a Napoleon complex and above all American.”
    _____________________

    “above all American” – precisely. You are aware of the convention whereby the military commander is always an American and the (civilian) Secretary-General a European (and mostly a former European politician)??

  449. The NATO top job always goes to a European, just as does the IMF job.

    What I mean is that Blair is not interested in details. He prefers the big picture stuff, the unending battle between good and evil.

    That’s often where you find the charlatans, not that Blair is a charlatan of course. He has firm religious principles and convictions, but it’s always worth pointing out that it’s an area of life which attracts scoundrels.

  450. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 2:42 pm

    Hmmm, I must admit that I’d forgotten about Jens Stoltenberg.

    But there will still be no top EU job for Blair.

  451. I’m hoping he gets a job at The Hague.

    Long hours, poor pay, but plenty of time for quiet contemplation and reflection.

    Yes, the all new monkish Blair, Fra Blairio.

  452. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 2:53 pm

    Withdrawal, citing family circumstances, comforted with a large wedge and sauna extension is not unheard of, especially when the greatest leader of all time is interested.

    He’d still have to fit the US bill better than this:

    While Mr Stoltenberg was Prime Minister, Norway’s defence spending increased steadily, with the result that Norway is today one of the Allies with the highest per capita defence expenditure. Mr Stoltenberg has also been instrumental in transforming the Norwegian armed forces, through a strong focus on deployable high-end capabilities. Under his leadership, the Norwegian Government has contributed Norwegian forces to various NATO operations.

    During his tenure as Prime Minister, Mr Stoltenberg frequently called for NATO to focus on security challenges close to Allied territory.

    Mr Stoltenberg is a strong supporter of enhanced transatlantic cooperation, including better burden-sharing across the Atlantic. He sees NATO and the EU as complementary organisations in terms of securing peace and development in Europe and beyond.

    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global-europe/norways-stoltenberg-confirmed-nato-top-job-301227

    Exactly what the US likes to see. No, I’ll buy the unpaid advisor to the EU line for the moment. A bright little weasel with the gift of the gab can parlay those contacts and all that access to the GREAT into rich rewards from his oligarch friends. The fact that he is the greatest leader the world has ever known is only incidental.

    Blair a scoundrel? Perish the thought. He believes every word he says. He’s even convinced himself…

  453. The Guardian reckons he’s after Rumpy’s job, as opposed to Barbarossa’s:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/02/tony-blair-europe-council-president-eu

    “At 61, it still feels as if Blair has a big job in him”

    Yeah. There’s stuff you can get for that.

    “Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, But to be young was very heaven!”

    And all we get is same old same old.

  454. I agree. Jans had placed himself well. The question then is was he all along positioning himself for that job, at the expense of Norway’s interest.

    There’s nothing to stop them doing that, especially in a time of professional politicians.

    Anyway, this is how the teams line up:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg

    The International Community versus Rest of the World.

    RT has been eavesdropping the team dressing rooms:

    “US plans ‘first strike’ on Russia”

    http://rt.com/shows/the-truthseeker/162864-us-plans-strike-russia/

  455. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 3:33 pm

    He insisted he has no personal ambitions …

    There he goes again. Bless.

  456. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 3:51 pm

    When push comes to shove…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10869627/Tony-Blair-ducks-calls-to-release-secret-Iraq-War-conversations.html

    … despite his eagerness to justify his personal crusade.

  457. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    2 Jun, 2014 - 3:57 pm

    “In fact, just the opposite. We don’t need confusion of any kind. We need clarity and an appreciation of boundaries in every conceivable sphere of action and thought. We don’t need more crybabies, or excuses, or wishful thinking, or the majestic ass-covering that colors the main stream of our national life.”

    http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/coasting-toward-zero/

    Yes, Jim. At what point does positive thinking become delusional? Polishing the available turd-remedies does not provide satisfaction, even though they’re available. Time to think outside the traditional 2 or 3 party democratic/economic shell-game.

  458. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 4:00 pm

    “The Guardian reckons he’s after Rumpy’s job, as opposed to Barbarossa’s:”
    _____________

    No, no, no, the Guardian is talking bollocks (once again). It doesn’t even believe it itself.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “No, I’ll buy the unpaid advisor to the EU line for the moment. A bright little weasel with the gift of the gab can parlay those contacts and all that access to the GREAT into rich rewards from his oligarch friends.”
    _________________________

    The sort of “reflection group” job I mentioned wouldn’t translate into favours to and rewards from oligarch friends. So if the job were offered and were he to accept, it wouldn’t be for the money (travel costs to Brussels and per diem only).

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    But hey, let’s not get into a speculative-masturabatory frenzy over Tony when there are much more important things to talk about, eg Mary’s word-count as referred to by Jemand above!

  459. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 4:02 pm

    “Yes, Jim. At what point does positive thinking become delusional? Polishing the available turd-remedies…”
    ________________-

    The man’s really fixated on turds, they crop up regularly in his posts!

  460. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 4:04 pm

    and it’s not the first time Ben’s used that curious image of “polishing” turds.

    I suppose only a Californian would think of polishing a…turd?

  461. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 4:15 pm

    “When push comes to shove…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10869627/Tony-Blair-ducks-calls-to-release-secret-Iraq-War-conversations.html

    … despite his eagerness to justify his personal crusade.”
    _________________________

    Blair’s position – and that of the current govt – is really rather steep.

    There would certainly be a watertight case for witholding private conversations and notes, letters, etc concerned exclusively with personal matters. For example, I believe that Blair once boasted he was a five times a night man; now, conversations with President Bush on their respective capacities and staying-power could and indeed should be kept private.

    But the position is completely different when it comes to conversations concerned with the exercise (or non-exercise) of power by the state since Blair is here no longer a private individual but a representative of the state, speaking on behalf of the state. It’s therefore absurd that the govt should not be compelled to release this information into the public domaine.

  462. Mary states “Jemand linked to an injustice in Yemen but fails to mention the great injustice of extrajudicial killings of Yemeni nationals by Obama’s drones.”

    Really? I failed? Oh dear!

    Mary, I didn’t even realise that the use of American kill-drones was in any way related to forced marriage of young girls to Arab paedophiles. I might have commented on it had I known of the connection (which I still do not understand).

    Nor was I aware that splitting open the vaginas of prepubescent girls was a mere injustice in comparison to the “great injustice” of US extrajudicial killings — probably of the very same paedophiles who enslave these girls. Maybe you can help by explaining some more.

  463. So an ‘MP is for life not just for Christmas’ according to Cameron. This exemplefies the attitude our party political oligarchs subscribe to, no, they demand that we also accept this as fact.
    Dov your cap, work hard, pay your taxes and vote for us they say. As if no other option is available, what a prat.
    If anybody is promoting UKIP, its the established party oligarchs and their combined waffling.

    Today Cameron proclaimed that ‘we might come out of the EU if Mr. Juncker is not withdrawn as candidate’

    So tyhe referendum might not be given at all, he might ‘just’withdraw us from the EU, more prattish talk, what an idiot to use this as a stick.
    Anyway Agela Merkel is in a coalition with the Socialist party who would not accept anyone else but Mr. Juncker, there’s no chance for Cameron to get his wishfull thinking approved.

  464. The lawyer looking into the bribery allegations about the Qatar 2022 World Cup bid.

    He was a Bush appointee.
    http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/government/garciam-bio.html

    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/bodies/01/66/50/29/michaelgarcia_en.pdf

    Qatar: Fifa Investigator To Meet Organisers
    The top US lawyer will hold talks with Qatari officials as pressure grows on Fifa to run a new vote on the 2022 World Cup.http://news.sky.com/story/1273765/qatar-fifa-investigator-to-meet-organisers

  465. Each of the attack poodles chimes in with gratuitous posts. They appear to be somewhat obsessed about the mechanics of sexual activity.

  466. “Top secret” Shin Bet memo suggested dead Arafat would benefit Israel
    Mon, 06/02/2014

    A “top secret” Israeli intelligence memo from 2000 concluded that the “disappearance” of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat would be beneficial to Israel.

    The memo, revealed in a book to be published this week by British-Israeli political scientist Ahron Bregman, adds evidence to support the thesis that Arafat, who died in November 2004 in a French military hospital, was assassinated.

    The Electronic Intifada obtained an advance copy of Bregman’s book, Cursed Victory: A History of Israel and the Occupied Territories (Penguin).

    Other revelations from Bregman, reported by Newsweek in advance of the book’s publication, include that Israeli intelligence eavesdropped on the phone calls of US President Bill Clinton during sensitive negotiations with Syria fifteen years ago.

    /..
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/top-secret-shin-bet-memo-suggested-dead-arafat-would-benefit-israel

  467. At last.

    Palestinian Unity Government Ends Bitter Rift
    Israel mulls imposing sanctions against the new administration over its support by Hamas, which calls for the state’s destruction.

    Rival Palestinian groups Fatah and Hamas have formed a unity government, ending a seven-year split in a landmark deal which led Israel to suspend peace talks.

    The cabinet was sworn in by President Mahmoud Abbas in a ceremony in the West Bank city of Ramallah.

    Hamas seized Gaza from Mr Abbas’ forces in 2007, leaving him to control only parts of the West Bank.

    /..
    http://news.sky.com/story/1273902/palestinian-unity-government-ends-bitter-rift

    PS to Sky. Hamas did not seize Gaza. They were elected.

  468. Jemand is right, Mary. It’s better to kill all these people, just to be on the safe side. Then we can usher in an era of human rights, liberty, and functioning sewerage systems like we did in, er, Iraq and Libya, and are still trying to do in Syria.

    We have to kill lots of people in order to protect their human rights.

    Can’t you see that? It’s so obvious.

  469. Call it the dignity of death. The human rights of the corpse are inviolate. Indeed, they are beyond indignity, suffering and oppression. It is an ideal state: to be dead and to be free.

    Thomas Paine’s ‘The Rights of Man (deceased’. It’s an important update for the 21st century.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if some sick fuck in the state department, just back from a PNAC circle jerk, looked at it that way.

  470. doug scorgie

    2 Jun, 2014 - 7:33 pm

    Jemand
    2 Jun, 2014 – 10:29 am

    Unrelated.. Here’s an uplifting video of a kid with pluck, defying convention :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXespwyiefY

    Nice that you care Jemand. Let’s protect all children from adult abuse including the male genital mutilation conventional within the Muslim and Jewish religions.

  471. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    2 Jun, 2014 - 8:30 pm

    Scuttlebutt is, this is the start of GITMO closure, which Obama promised by the end of 2014.

    http://time.com/2809352/bowe-bergdahl-deserter-army-taliban/

  472. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 8:49 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “…adult abuse including the male genital mutilation conventional within the Muslim and Jewish religions.”
    ______________________

    Are you seriously comparing female genital mutilation – which has no backing in scripture and which has the effect of killing later sexual pleasure for the women concerned – with male cirumcision which does have backing in scripture and which, if what one hears is to be believed, makes the circumcised man a better cocksman?

    Of course you aren’t, Doug.

    But you do keep coming up with male circumcision every time FGM is mentioned on here.

    The conclusion must therefore be that either

    (1) for whatever dark reason, you approve of FGM or

    (2) you use the topic to deliver what you believe to be a swift kick against the Jews.

    Deplorable as both of those reasons are, I nevertheless hope it’s the second one in your case, Doug.

    Please enlighten us, Doug.

  473. Garcia’s quick. Should have put him on the Iraq War Inquiry.

    Qatar World Cup 2022: Investigator nears probe conclusion
    Fifa investigator and New York lawyer Michael Garcia plans to complete his probe of the 2018 and 2022 World Cup bidding process by 9 June.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27659828

  474. He doing it again! Obsessed with the word.

    He arrived here in November 2012 on the Savile and the Low Hanging Fruit thread. Why that one?
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/11/savile-and-the-low-hanging-fruit/

    After I had put up a photo of Hague and Savile he said

    ‘Habbakuk
    2 Nov, 2012 – 9:45 pm

    Well done, Mary, always vigilant, aren’t you.
    But a bit to touchy and self-righteous for my taste.
    BTW, how’s your garden getting on, and the hens (or was it cocks)?’

    Several posters complained about the content of that post.

    He was Habbakuk at the start and then became Habbabkuk later in the thread when I had pointed out that Habbakuk was a Hebrew Old Testament prophet.

    Downhill all the way since then.

  475. The photo of the grinning Hague and leering Savile. Very topical in the light of today’s news about the extent of Savile’s crimes against children some as young as 2 years of age. Sa Vile.

    http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487313_203664619767875_598847032_n.jpg

  476. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    2 Jun, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    Bathroom curiosity for the sexually immature leads to questions about turds and genitalia, Mary.

  477. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    2 Jun, 2014 - 9:21 pm

    NO posts for 9 days and the last one has had comments closed for 4 days. They sure are busy. Doing what, I don’t know.

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/

  478. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 9:42 pm

    Ben

    “…leads to questions about turds and genitalia,..”
    ________________

    May I just point out, Ben, that

    1/. it’s you who keeps using the word “turd” (latterly as in “polishing the turd”)
    and
    2/. it’s Mr Scorgie who seems to be obsessed with male circumcision.

    Unhealthy precoccupations both.

    *******************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  479. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 9:51 pm

    Mary

    “Several posters complained about the content of that post.”
    __________________

    Well they would, wouldn’t they? After all, they are fellow-Eminences, unused to being challenged with the sort of intellectual fire-power they could only dream of.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=

    “He was Habbakuk at the start and then became Habbabkuk later in the thread when I had pointed out that Habbakuk was a Hebrew Old Testament prophet.”
    ______________________

    And I thank you for pointing that out Mary; I’m sure that had you not dine so, people would still be ignorant to this day about who Habbabkuk was.

    At least I stick to one name, unlike someone who called themselves April Showers, May Moaners and Flaming June in quick succession (did I get those names right, Mary?)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “He doing it again! Obsessed with the word.”

    ______________________

    May I point out that it is your spiritual son Doug Scorgie who has again introduced cocks to the blog via his comment on male circumcision?

    ***********************

    Think and live healthily – you know it’s “the right thing to do”!

  480. Those names you listed were used by me in a vain attempt to escape your repellent and continuous attacks, as you know very well. Do not try the ingenuous act FFS. I do not intend to say any more to you. You have filled this blog with inordinate amounts of your rubbish over the last 18 months.

  481. Resident Dissident

    2 Jun, 2014 - 10:36 pm

    I notice Lady Dorking has yet to provide any explanation as to what her something of the Talmud comment about Peter Mandelson meant. Given she clearly doesn’t like Mandelson I’m afraid it can only be seen as yet another jibe against the Jewish religion.

    I am also becoming increasingly of the view that “Mary” is not who she says she is – giving her/his regular visits to other web sites and her/his constant signing of petitions and zealotry for various causes, I very much doubt that such a person would confine themselves to commenting on a single blog.

    Mr Scorgie and his fixations also worry me.

  482. As far as male gential hygiene goes, washing these parts of the body (and the other places too) from time to time seems a far better solution than hacking bits off on spurious preventive grounds. I suppose desert-dwellers, centuries ago, with limited access to water, or to something approximating soap, might have been ambivalent but their ruling wise men and witch-doctors clearly thought they knew better.

  483. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 12:40 am

    Circumcision was practiced because of the the bacteria negatives found in the foreskin in ancient eras. Same with the prohibition against pork. Times have changed for some of the less ignorant and ritualistic religions of the world. Circumcision is traumatic and unnecessary.

  484. @Mary 2 Jun,2014-5:50pm

    “Each of the attack poodles chimes in with gratuitous posts. They appear to be somewhat obsessed about the mechanics of sexual activity.”

    Me: Gratuitous? Mary (Encyclopedia Offtopica), you are the Queen of gratuitous commentary as demonstrated by your obsessive cutting and pasting of hundreds of thousands of words regarding any and all things both bad (real or perceived) and Jewish (real or perceived).

    Can’t you occasionally put a word in for the victims of Islamic/Arabic violence?
    - – -

    @Mike 2 Jun,2014-7:18pm

    “Jemand is right, Mary. It’s better to kill all these people, just to be on the safe side.”

    Me: Mikey, I never advocated killing anybody. I didn’t even imply support. You made up that sarcastically delivered false charge only to ingratiate yourself with Mary. Mikey, you don’t need anyone’s approval to have your own opinion on things here. Try it.
    - – -

    @Doug Scorgie 2 Jun,2014-7:33pm

    “Nice that you care Jemand. Let’s protect all children from adult abuse including the male genital mutilation conventional within the Muslim and Jewish religions.”

    Like a leaf blowing in the wind, it doesn’t matter a jot that I care about anything, Doug. What does matter is action, whatever its agency. It’s a very rare moment that we should agree with each other, but on this occasion I agree with you that action needs to be taken to prevent the continued assaults upon children for religious and other reasons wherein their genitalia are interfered with, too often with devastating effects. I imagine that you didn’t expect that one from me.

    The tragic story of David Reimer
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

    Everyone can have their opinion on male circumcision. I, however, am of the view that no one but that male has a right to choose if and when he sacrifices his own bodily flesh. As for disease control and hygeine, I do believe that millions of years of primate evolution is on my side.

  485. The BBC dutifully report the Israelis’ objection to the new Palestinian coalition. They even had Regev on Radio 4 overnight.

    Israel PM warns against Hamas-Fatah ‘terror’ cabinet
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27656300

    Note it is a terrrrrr grouping.

    No terrrrr displayed yesterday by the IDF of course when they killed a Palestinian. That is not reported on the BBC website.

  486. Jemand ‘that male has a right to choose if and when he sacrifices his own bodily flesh.’

    What a ludicrous statement. Applicable then even when the male is a babe in arms is meeting the keen edge of the mohel’s knife? Medieval horror.

    http://www.kveller.com/baby_and_toddler/Circumcision_/bris-ceremony.shtml

  487. Mary, you must be retarded. I stated that it is only a male’s right to choose his own circumcision, no one else’s. I think it just goes to show how antagonistic and reflexively hostile you are that you would instantly infer the opposite of what I wrote.

  488. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 8:11 am

    Mary (07h38)

    Look, a newly born baby cannot decide for himself whether he wants to be circumcised and so his parents – literally actinbg “in loco parentis” decide for him. In the same way as parents decide on certain vaccinations for their children of various ages.

    As I cannot believe that people like Mary, Scorgie, etc really support FGM (a confirmation of that assumption would be helpful ),the conclusion must surely be that male circumcision – although carried out by Muslims as well – is being used as a stick with which to beat the Jews.

    I note that Mary is very au fait with the terminology: where most of us would probably just have said “rabbi”, she uses what I suppose is the correct word “mohel”. This is a little surprising coming from someone who attempts to accuse others of being obsessed with the c**k word.

  489. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 8:20 am

    TO ALL COMMENTERS

    We’re getting very near to the bottom of page 3 and therefore, by definition, to the top of page 4.

    Could I ask everyone to give Mary a clear run to be the last commenter on page 3 and the first on page 4, please?

    It means a lot to her and you know “it’s the right thing to do”!

    On behalf of Mary, many thanks!

  490. Meanwhile Agent Cameron was in Newark yesterday on his fourth visit doing some electioneering. Shown on TV at a ‘distribution centre’ in front of dozens of bored looking workers wearing high viz jackets and obviously corralled by the bosses to sit there. The price of a job in the UK in 2012 – provide a backdrop for political propaganda. Outrageous.

    The premises belong to Know How which is the distribution/repair centre for Dixons Currys PC World. Owner Sir Stanley Kalms.
    http://www.knowhow.com/about-knowhow.aspx?country=uk

    ‘Lord Kalms was treasurer of the Conservative Party, 2001-3. Like many in the party, he opposes the euro. He is a member of Conservative Friends of Israel.’ Wikipedia

    Kalms has recently merged with Carphone Warehouse, owner Sir Charles Dunstone.

    ‘Charles Dunstone and Stanley Kalms respectively the driving forces behind Carphone Warehouse and Dixons, could hardly be more different. Lord Kalms of Edgware is a former Conservative Party treasurer who idolised Margaret Thatcher. Sir Charles’s heroes are Sir Richard Branson and Tony Blair, and he mixes with David Cameron’s Chipping Norton set.’ The Times

    Cameron was there with Johnson.

  491. Habbabkuk/Habbakuk has lost the plot completely. Page 4 arrives at comment no. 600. Comments currently numbered 501.

    Are these trolls not infantile?

    A baby has no ability to choose what is done to his body but as you say on your link Jemand ‘Take your god and shove him.’ Weird or what?

    Suggest to both to get the deckchairs out of the shed and get some rest!

  492. @Habbabkuk “Could I ask everyone to give Mary a clear run to be the last commenter on page 3 and the first on page 4, please?”

    Ok

  493. The atheist that Jemand links to is one Pat Condell.

    ‘Condell had posted more than 100 video monologues on various video sites as of August 2011, which together had notched up over 35 million hits, and his videos have been translated and subtitled into 14 languages on the dotSUB collaborative platform. In September 2009, he was one of the top ten most subscribed users on YouTube in the United Kingdom and the most subscribed to comedian of all time in the UK. Eight of his videos are in the top hundred most commented on videos in the UK. Most of his YouTube videos chastise Islam and Western appeasement of Islam.’

    Oh I get the connection now. And I think the description of him as a ‘comedian’ is a misnomer.

  494. You are quite unhinged, Mary. Who here has ever said that a baby has the power to consent to anything?

    It is my twice stated opinion and now third attempt to drum into your thick skull that I think a person, quite obviously having the power of independent thought, speech and movement, is himself the sole arbiter of what gets cut off his own body. If that means that he must wait until he is 70 years old to convince everyone that he is acting under his own will, then so be it.

    Do you now understand, Mary, or do I have to further explain using finger puppets?

  495. Mary – “The atheist that Jemand links to is one Pat Condell.”

    “The atheist” ?? It sounds to me, Mary, like you hate atheists. Which might add weight to my suspicion that you are a Muslim who hasn’t the courage of admitting so. Why do you fear us, Mary, and why do you want to cause us harm?

    Attacking Pat Condell makes you look silly. It implies that you do not tolerate opinions that differ from your own. You are free to listen to Pat Condell as you are to not listen to him. Are you trying to prevent others from doing so?

    That he is not a fawning apologist of Islam is apparent to anyone who cares to view his videos. So what exactly is the purpose of pointing out my link to one of his videos if not to incite the collective disapproval and jeering from your goon squad? Aren’t those the tactics we see in unruly mobs who attempt to force their ways on the rest of us?

  496. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:07 am

    “Are these trolls not infantile?”
    _________________-

    No more and no less than the bitches.

  497. I’ve been following the discussion about male genital mutilation. One thing that has always puzzled me is why God in his wisdom instructed Abraham thus:

    9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

    Only a few chapters earlier God created man “in his image” and could have saved the medical necessity there and then of male genital mutilation. The puzzling bit for me is that despite Abraham, who begat Isaac, and all the other begettings down to 2014, when the next generation of male children is born they are all born with foreskins. The puzzle is this. Either God got it wrong in the creation process. Or Abraham, perhaps even thinking it came from God, made this instruction up and generations have been duped. Or we are all the products of evolution and there is no creator God, and the evolutionary process dictates that all males will be born with foreskins. However many circumcisions are performed the next generation of males will still be born with foreskins.

    Having witnessed the circumcision by a doctor of a three year old friend of mine on his kitchen table I can tell you it is a barbaric procedure which is very painful, even if you are just an onlooker. Blood shot everywhere. I was out of that kitchen as fast as my little legs would carry me. Several weeks later when I gashed open my forehead on our mangle I refused point blank to go to a doctor such had been my first experience of the capability and cruelty of doctors. I still bear the scar. But I must apologise to Stephen Schofield for taunting him afterwards telling him he was a girl now and would have to wear dresses soon!

    Yes, it’s barbaric!

  498. Meanwhile in the real world:

    The Ukraine regime uses an SU-25 ground attack aircraft to launch at least 7 rockets against civilians in central Lugansk. Videos show the aircraft firing the missiles and the missiles hitting the ground, first in the trees in the park, the later ones nearer to the civil administration building. At least 7 people were shredded by the fragmentation weapons, one poor women dying from blood loss before the eyes of helpless eyewitnesses.

    The response from the west – nada, rien de chose, nix. The regime apologists claim it was a misfired manpad that somehow loped back to lock on to an air-conditioning unit in the building. AI and HRW, BBC etc etc doing their best as agents of power.

  499. Here’s a “real” comedian for you, Mary. Unless you think that John Cleese is not a comedian (which wouldn’t surprise me).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxm1mqbgxcM

  500. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:55 am

  501. Ot

    Most leftists today base their thinking on False Left foundations because they know of no other foundations that accomodate their emotions. However, the structural weakness of such foundations means that adherents of left-wing ideologies generally lack inspiration. Unlike right-wing ideologies which motivate its adherents to action somewhat more easily by peddling either fear or hubris (or both), left-wing ideologies rely solely on conscience and idealism for motivation, therefore False Left foundations are largely responsible for the low ideological intensity among many leftists today.

    1) Relativism
    This is the idea that value judgements are subjective and therefore cannot be absolute.
    2) Egalitarianism
    Consequential to relativism, this is the idea that, in absence of absolute values, there can be no valid standards for determining value inequality between people, so that all people should be considered equal.
    3) “Rights”
    Consequential to egalitarianism, this is the idea that relationships between equal people must be relationships based on non-infringement of the pre-defined equal ”rights” of any person.
    4) Hedonism
    Consequential to “rights”, this is the idea that, given that the “rights” of everyone must be observed by everyone else, there can be no goal beyond acquisition of pleasure (including proxies for pleasure such as various kinds of achievement) via the range of actions permissible within the framework of “rights”, since all other goals have the potential to lead to infringement of the “rights” of at least some people.
    Democracy then typically follows from this as a utilitarian argument: if all people are equal, then all people have a “right” to vote according to their wishes, but the wishes of the many outweigh the wishes of the few in priority, as going with the former produces pleasure for a greater number and displeasure for a smaller number.

    To destroy the False Left, it suffices to assert absolutism instead of relativism. This is easily done by pointing out the relativist’s paradox: if subjectivity is supreme, then relativism too is a subjective conclusion, so why believe in relativism absolutely? The relativist’s own conviction in relativism shows that he himself does not consider subjectivity to be a barrier to his conclusion. In which case, non-relativists surely need not consider subjectivity a barrier to their conclusions either.

    Once relativism topples, its derivatives are bound to topple with it. As soon as absolute standards are set, the inequality of people according to such standards will be exposed, the notion of “rights” will no longer make sense, and possibilities outside of hedonism will emerge. More practically, leftists will be instantly freed from the paradox of having to support democratic principles on the one hand and condemn majority opinion on the other when majority opinion happens to be right-wing. Instead, they will come to accept that genuine leftism is always anti-democratic – being as it is always based on the vision of the rare, idealistic few – and take pride in this.

    The real battle in the wake of the collapse of the False Left status-quo is the battle over what standards to set as the absolute. It is this issue that sets right – variously called “New Right”, “Dissident Right”, “Alternative Right”, etc. – and left – True Left – in fundamental enmity.

  502. Jemand

    “When the parent culture dissipates, you’re left thinking-

    ‘What’s going on?’”
    -John Cleese in the link you provided.

    Happening in Australia right now.

    The ever-recurring pattern of Life Death Life
    in our world without end.

  503. I think if I have any children, I’ll have qualified doctors remove any unnecessary fleshy pieces about their faces. Ear lobes can go, obviously. There’s probably much of the nose that isn’t really necessary. The children would be too young to choose, but there could be advantages so I will choose for them.

    Or if I was in charge I could write a book, claim it’s by God and get my followers to do it to their kids.

    All looks perfectly morally sound to me. Not the slightest bit nutty; we see this sort of behaviour throughout the animal and vegetable realms.

  504. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 10:49 am

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    2 Jun, 2014 – 8:49 pm

    “…you use the topic to deliver what you believe to be a swift kick against the Jews.”

    Misquoting is your speciality Habbabkuk.

    I wrote:

    “Let’s protect all children from adult abuse including the male genital mutilation conventional within the MUSLIM AND Jewish religions.”

    No pain medication is used:

    “Rabbi Shmuel Goldin, president of the Rabbinical Council of America, said circumcisions done for religious purposes did not typically involve pain medication…”

    It has to be done because it’s in the Scriptures:

    “For us, it is such a critical component of our religious life that an attempt to eradicate it is an attempt to eradicate our religion.”

    Also:

    “In some Jewish communities (including in the US) the person trained in the practice of circumcision (a mohel) sucks the male baby’s penis after the foreskin has been cut and removed.”

    “To me this is not only a deliberate wounding of a child but also sexual abuse.”

    “There is no justification for allowing these practices to continue on religious or cultural grounds in any country. No one has the right to damage a child.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/19/circumcision-without-consent-indefensible

    Was yours sucked when you had the snip Habbabkuk?

  505. Yonatan

    http://rt.com/news/163076-ukraine-lugansk-clashes-jet/

    One eyewitness saw three women dead, no soldiers in this cowardly attack by Willy Wonka’s forces. Do not buy any of these brands. Roshen or

    http://www.roshen.com/en/products/
    http://www.bonbonetti.hu/en/

    This man is a danger. One thing I want people who have criticised the pro-Russians and praised this government of fascist thugs funded by the west is how much better everything was in the days of Yanukovich. Another US failed state.

    Surely people like RD cannot condone this killing of innocents by their own government! Can they?

  506. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 11:05 am

    Thank you for the link Jemand

    The tragic story of David Reimer
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

  507. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 11:20 am

    Blair, having spent part of Monday haranguing the CBI on the need for Blair-style reform of the EU, is now putatively off on his travels again…G-CEYL was airborne yesterday. Further details when I can find them, but took off, probably from Farnborough, @ 1435. Anyone know who the lucky host might be?

  508. I think I’ll have all my children’s teeth pulled out. They’re my children, so I have to choose on their behalf. Teeth cause a lot of trouble, pain and expense over time, and they fall out eventually so it’s best to get it over with, but you can’t expect children to understand that. In an infinite universe everything arises, so there must be a god somewhere who’ll be delighted.

  509. @ Clark

    I hope you have children Clark because I hand no doubt you would be a mighty fine parent, and you already you make a perfect role model and guide for children.

    Dyb dyb dyb

  510. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 11:35 am

    Another porky from Blair. He is listed as a “university professor” by his agent, the Washington Speaker’s Bureau:

    http://www.washingtonspeakers.com/speakers/speaker.cfm?SpeakerID=4432&gotoTab=2

    With his second class BA from Oxford (automatically (if you’re Oxford) convertible after one year’s complete inaction into an MA), he is no such bloody thing, even allowing that ‘professor’ in the US may mean ‘senior lecturer’.

  511. I suppose my children’s genital and urinary organs may have some parts that could be profitably removed, but I won’t have that done because of what people might think. It wouldn’t be so bad if everyone else was doing it.

  512. Jay, 11:32 am; the world is full and the future looks ominous; I’ll probably give parenthood a miss this time. Compliment appreciated, though; thanks.

  513. My saying exactly. Why is Cameron dithering? why not have a refewrendum before the next GE? what has he got to loose? time for his pals to make new arrangements on how to claim vast sums from the EU?

    All poll results point to a positive pro EU vote, at least the great unwashed know which side their bread is buttered on. Lets have the refewrendum now and watch UKIP tumble at the prospect of it.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/spiegel-editorial-argues-britain-must-determine-future-in-eu-a-972903.html

  514. Clark: teeth out. Get a grip man. At circumcision age they have no teeth. Then the milk teeth arrive (20) and eventually their proper gnashers (32). But I get your point. Circumcision is barbaric and so are the parents who want their boy childs to be mutilated in this way. In the days before alternative comedy there was a joke about the loving father who wanted to teach his son a lesson. So he stood the boy on the sixth rung of a ladder and told him to jump. The lad was scared and said “I’ll hurt myself.” “No you won’t. I’ll catch you.” The boy jumped and his father moved out of the way. “You said you’d catch me,” said the teary child. “And that will teach you to trust nobody, not even your own father.”

    Circumcision, or male genital mutilation, is a bit like that. A child expects love and comfort from its parents. What it gets is agony and pain. It is a hard lesson for one so young who has never heard of Abraham.

  515. @ Clark

    Look upon all children as your own and love them with kindness.

  516. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 12:09 pm

    Why is Cameron dithering? why not have a referendum before the next GE? what has he got to loose? time for his pals to make new arrangements on how to claim vast sums from the EU?

    This is why -

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/31/uk-britain-election-referendum-idUKKBN0EB0QD20140531

    If nasty Juncker gets in, David will throw all his toys out of the pram, and fuck democracy (again)

  517. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 12:14 pm

    To explain the subtext of the above – it’s currently becoming clear that Cameron has no intention of holding a referendum unless Juncker is appointed.

  518. I get all this, Ba’al, but he can get his cake and eat it, i.e. havre this referendum and if its going the EU way, he can say see I told you so, its the best option for Britain.
    If the vote goes against he can say exactly the same to Mr. juncker, the ex taxhaven procurator general, can he not?

  519. Stephen Dorrell is stepping down as chair of the Health Select Committee. He wants to spend more time with the partei! The truth of the matter is probably that he cannot sit there listening to more and more on the effects of the dismantling of OUR NHS.

    http://www.hsj.co.uk/news/hsj-live/hsj-live-03062014-stephen-dorrell-steps-down-as-health-committee-chair/5071539.article

    The Ozzie version.

    I don’t know what Abbott’s Sick Tax is but can take a guess. This is sharp stuff in 44 secs.

    Australia: GetUp campaign ad against Abbott’s ‘sick tax’
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1401785647.html

  520. Have no doubt, one day we will be able to reliably identify these people with special needs and help them avoid an unhappy career in politics and/or big business.

    Fans of Tony Blair might see some familiar traits in their idol.

    What Makes a Psychopath
    http://www.sbs.com.au/insight/episode/overview/618/What-Makes-a-Psychopath#.U42w3Cga2-Y

  521. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 12:34 pm

    I think the problem lies with the Tories, many of whom are frightened that they will lose their access to the trough because of UKIP. Cameron doesn’t think he can keep them on side. So it’s hey, ho, trim the sail and prepare to go about; he may not be able to rig an election to make it look as if the UK public wants to be in Europe and in any case the UK public don’t matter. And he may well lose the next election whatever he does….

    Though I admit it’s hard to guess what’s going on, and that’s just what it looks like from here.

  522. Mary the Muslim, you are welcome to take as many swipes at Tony Abbott as you like but don’t fool yourself into thinking that I give a shit. I didn’t vote for this fuckwit.

  523. It’s about time for another of those daily reports of Israeli atrocities. Picked at random. One day is very much like another for the Palestinians on the receiving end.

    Zionism in practice – Israel’s Daily Toll on Palestinian Life, Limb, Liberty and Property
    24 hours to 8am
    01 June 2014

    3 attacks – 16 raids including home invasions – 2 beaten – 14 injured – 3 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage – 15 taken prisoner – 8 detained – 108 restrictions of movement

    Israeli Army armed incursions – crops bulldozed in 2 Gaza farming areas

    Israeli Army opens fire on East Khan Yunis farmland

    Dawn home invasion: Israeli troops assault wife, husband and son

    Youngsters and women injured in Israeli Army raid

    Refugee children beaten and injured by Israeli soldiers

    Two 15-year-old boys among the injured in Israeli Army raid

    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in refugee camp and 7 towns and villages

    ~~

    Can appear banal just reading the words but imagine being one of the recipients, especially the children.

    http://www.sapienspromise.org/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=7

  524. A case in point on the deterioration in the NHS. Notice the outsourcing of the outsourcing!

    NHS patients in uproar over ‘incompetent’ drug delivery service
    Healthcare at Home claims it is working hard to fix problems after hundreds are left without medication
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/03/nhs-patients-medicine-delivery-service

    Heathcare at Home is run by Advantage Healthcare Group Ltd. Two of the directors are directors of that company and nine other affiliated companies.
    http://companycheck.co.uk/director/918173244
    http://companycheck.co.uk/director/918683325

  525. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:16 pm

    Clark is correct. Circumcision is practiced widely for cosmetic purposes. Parents don’t want the child to be different when it comes time for the first gym-wide shower.

  526. Of course, the old Testament is full of great parenting advice, isn’t it? I particularly like the bit where God drowns the whole human race for being naughty.

  527. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV

    “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

    Of course it’s not likely a toddler would be a drunkard. He must be talking about teenagers. Maybe they were on to something. :)

  528. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:43 pm

    Re the Great Circumcision Debate

    John Goss has kindly provided us with scriptural authority for male circumcision (cf his contribution at 09h19).

    Could anyone – perhaps you, Mr Scorgie? – point us in the direction of the text or texts that prescribe/authorize/encourage/justify female genital mutilation as practised by sundry Muslims (but not Jews)?

    Many thanks.

  529. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:49 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Was yours sucked when you had the snip Habbabkuk?”

    and from 1 June

    “..Whereas yours are mere slimy ejaculate”
    __________________________

    You come across as a deeply disturbed young man, Doug, with an unhealthy fixation on other blokes’ cocks.

    Have you sought help yet?

  530. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:50 pm

    Circumcision is practiced widely for cosmetic purposes. Parents don’t want the child to be different when it comes time for the first gym-wide shower.

    Also it used to be fairly standard for the Church of England at least. Great was the mirth in the school showers when contrasting roundheads and cavaliers. Wasn’t an exclusively Jewish or Muslim thing at all.

  531. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    ” But in country after country these days, the hallmarks of democracy are being dangerously subverted and co-opted by powerful elites. The question is, are we recognizing what is happening under our noses? Three examples unfolding right now are indicators of this trend: Thailand, Ukraine and Egypt.”

    http://www.alternet.org/world/how-wealthy-elites-are-hijacking-democracy-all-over-world

    Since democratic labels are proliferating without genuine intent, and considering human-nature, we need a re-boot.

  532. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:59 pm

    Disobedient children must be executed.

    He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. — Exodus 21:15

    He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. — Exodus 21:17

    For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. — Leviticus 20:9

    God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. — Matthew 15:4

    Plenty more here -

    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/parenting.html

    Hallelujah! Praise!

  533. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:59 pm

    ” Wasn’t an exclusively Jewish or Muslim thing at all.”

    No. Most were mere surgical-Semites chortling at the few wearing helmets in the shower.

  534. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:00 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““…you use the topic to deliver what you believe to be a swift kick against the Jews.”

    Misquoting is your speciality Habbabkuk.

    I wrote:

    “Let’s protect all children from adult abuse including the male genital mutilation conventional within the MUSLIM AND Jewish religions.””
    ____________________

    You are a master of disinformation, Doug (if of little else).

    You are so keen to get in a swift kick against Jews that you’re willing to make a big issue out of male circumcision DESPITE the fact that your Muslim mates ALSO practise male circumcision.

    D’you get it now?

  535. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:02 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    Do you have a particular problem with the concept of loving and honoring your parents?

  536. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    I dispense you from answering the above question if you only have an Oxford second (whether converted into an MA or not).

  537. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:06 pm

    Notice how swiftly Mother Mary goes to ground when it’s her favorites who are busily commenting on cocks and matters connected. :)

    Got hand it to the old dear, no one could accuse her of not having balls!

  538. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    You must be good at badminton, Hab. Chasin’ down those Israeli birdies and whackin’ em back. What team do you play for?

  539. Cutting bits off is empowering; that sign of my parental authority will be imposible to forget even after I’m dead.

    Then there are pedigree animals, which just don’t look right unil you cut some bits off.

    I’m all for cuts, like all the best politicians.

  540. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:26 pm

  541. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Clark

    I gather that interviews with and studies of Muslim women who have undergone female genital mutilation reveal that the women are mostly rather unhappy about it.

    Are you aware of studies or similar which reveal any great level of dissatisfaction among males who were circumcised as children?

  542. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:31 pm

    California Ben

    Have you by any chance been banned from all relevant US – based blogs?

    Or are you just an ageing, whiskery 1960s Brit expat? :)

  543. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:31 pm

    Just raked up more Blair. Globalisation, globalisation, globalisation….at the ICI General Membership Meeting, 21st May, Washington DC.

    http://www.ici.org/viewpoints/view_14_gmm_blair

    So that’s 21st May: Washington DC, take your pick of 22-23rd May, Shanghai, three days later, Stockholm/Malmo and back in time to pontificate on all UK outlets from the 27th…..

    JUST a minute. Just a cotton picking sixty seconds. At some time during the 21st-23rd May Blair was also recorded at the Astana Economic Forum, in his favourite repressive dictatorship, Kazakhstan. So what’s going on? Is he being paid hyperbucks for videoconferencing? Or has he now got a body double?

    Still it’s good to see the stress and jetlag showing up on his tired and generally joyless features.

  544. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:32 pm

    “mostly rather unhappy about it…”

    Any interviews with the happy recipients?

  545. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:39 pm

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-030614.html

    “Kagan has been devastatingly misguided on everything, as in his 2003 best-seller Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order, an eulogy of “benign” Americans standing guard against the “threats” (as in Muslim fundamentalism) emanating from a Hobbesian world way beyond the cozy Kantian precinct inhabited by Europe.

    Then, in The Return of History and the End of Dreams (2008), the “evil” was not Muslim fundamentalism anymore (too shabby), but the emerging of those vast autocracies, Russia and China, antithetical to Western democracies. But with The World America Made (2012), the paradisiacal shining city on the hill would once again triumph, more than capable to see those autocracies off; after all, the only reliable guarantee of global peace is American exceptionalism.

    Kagan still commands the attention even of the otherwise aloof Commander-in-Chief, who avidly consumed The World America Made before his 2012 State of the Union Address, in which he proclaimed “America is back”. ”

    Shorter Obama; “we don’ get no respect”

  546. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    ““mostly rather unhappy about it…”

    Any interviews with the happy recipients?”
    __________________

    Nah, Ben, I’ll leave it to you to find interviews with women happy that they’ve been genitally mutilated!

    What a chump you are :)

  547. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:53 pm

    Well, at least he’s holding firm on abortion.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-pope-who-is-francis-i-cardinal-jorge-mario-bergoglio-and-argentinas-dirty-war/5326675

    “What the Western media fail to mention is that Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Pope Francis I) was one of the main supporters –within the Catholic hierarchy– of Argentina’s military dictatorship which came to power in a CIA supported coup in 1976.

    Jorge Mario Bergoglio not only supported the dictatorship, he also played a direct and complicit role in the “Dirty War” (la guerra sucia”) in liaison with the military Junta headed by General Jorge Videla, leading to the arrest, imprisonment, torture and disappearance of progressive Catholic priests and laymen who were opposed to Argentina’s military rule. “While the two priests Francisco Jalics y Orlando Yorio, kidnapped by the death squads in May 1976 were released five months later. after having been tortured, six other people associated with their parish kidnapped as part of the same operation were “disappeared” (desaparecidos).”

    Liberation Theology has become a convenient tool of media propaganda: the protagonists of oppression are portrayed as liberators. Pope Francis I, heralded as the champion of Liberation in Latin America is now bringing his message to Palestine: According to Naim Ateek, the founder of Liberation Theology in Palestine, quoted in TIME, “We feel he has been able to speak about the poor in Latin America,… Now we would like to see him speak about the oppressed in Palestine.”

  548. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 4:43 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    2 Jun, 2014 – 8:49 pm

    “…male cirumcision which does have backing in scripture and which, if what one hears is to be believed, makes the circumcised man a better cocksman?”

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    3 Jun, 2014 – 2:43 pm

    “John Goss has kindly provided us with scriptural authority for male circumcision…”

    “Could anyone – perhaps you, Mr Scorgie? – point us in the direction of the text or texts that prescribe/authorize/encourage/justify female genital mutilation as practised by sundry Muslims (but not Jews)?”

    Well if it’s in the scriptures Habbabkuk it must be right then.

    There is no justification for FGM Habbabkuk. FGM is worse than male circumcision due to its more radical cutting.

    However I do believe that ritual male circumcision is wrong even if it’s mandated in the scriptures.

    Don’t forget Habbabkuk, many Jews are atheists.

    Adult male Jews and Muslims should decide for themselves whether to have the procedure.

    Circumcising children should, in my view, be outlawed.

  549. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 4:45 pm

    Greenwald has another tepid re-hash of old news. Is your founder (Ebay) upset at the notion Google is complicit? Is that why you STILL haven’t released the name of the country in question?

    http://rt.com/usa/162036-wikileaks-google-nsa-afghanistan/

  550. Habbabkuk I agree, Jews are much better than Muslims. Stands to reason, dunnit? Jews are on our side and we’re the Good Guys. Bleedin’ obvious.

  551. http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/freedom-cheaper-than-iraq-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459812
    Another abusive ad hominem comment and incorrect assumption from the troll.

    I have just got back from attending a talk by Dr Colin Summerhayes from the Scott Polar Antarctic Survey on global warming, loss of sea ice, etc etc. Would do the troll good to get out more.

    PS Have you noticed his fondness for typing out ‘naughty’ words beginning with the latter ‘c’?

  552. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:05 pm

    “PS Have you noticed his fondness for typing out ‘naughty’ words beginning with the latter ‘c’?”

    I’m waiting for the compulsory adolescent fart jokes since that’s all he’s got left.

  553. A CV and a half! Shame about the Exxon and BP parts.

    http://www.spri.cam.ac.uk/people/summerhayes/

  554. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:23 pm

    Ba’al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)
    3 Jun, 2014 – 2:50 pm

    “Also it used to be fairly standard for the Church of England at least.”

    Yes that’s true Ba’al:

    “Edward VII, the Duke of Windsor and Prince Charles all had their foreskins removed, the latter by Jacob Snowman GP, at Buckingham Palace in 1948.

    Charles’ brothers Andrew and Edward were also snipped.”

    “According to Anthony Holden’s biography of Prince Charles, cited by the Evening Standard, Jacob Snowman was summoned to the palace five days after Charles’s christening.

    Snowman was a mohel, a religious circumcision specialist, from London’s Jewish community, and he was chosen over the royal physician to perform the ritual.”

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/07/24/britain-wonders-if-baby-prince-will-be-circumcised-prince-charles-snipped-by-royal-mohel/

  555. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:39 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    3 Jun, 2014 – 3:28 pm

    “Are you aware of studies or similar which reveal any great level of dissatisfaction among males who were circumcised as children?”

    Try this Habbabkuk:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jews-Against-Circumcision/165424110207450

  556. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:41 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “There is no justification for FGM Habbabkuk. FGM is worse than male circumcision due to its more radical cutting.”
    ______________________

    I’m gratified that you take that view, Doug. Thank you.

  557. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:50 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    3 Jun, 2014 – 3:28 pm

    “Are you aware of studies or similar which reveal any great level of dissatisfaction among males who were circumcised as children?”

    Try this Habbabkuk:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jews-Against-Circumcision/165424110207450
    _________________________

    You should be careful not to assume automatically, Doug, that this Facebook group is representative of circumcised Jews as a whole.

    I would submit that it isn’t and, furthermore, that the vast majority of adult male Jews have no hangups or gripes at all about having been circumcised.

    I suspect you have a greater hangup about male circumcision than do those whi have been circumcised. Why so, Doug?

  558. Getting holes made through children is fun, too. You can hang jewellery on them that matches your own; people can see you’re a family.

  559. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:54 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    Yes that’s true Ba’al:

    ““Edward VII, the Duke of Windsor and Prince Charles all had their foreskins removed, the latter by Jacob Snowman GP, at Buckingham Palace in 1948.

    Charles’ brothers Andrew and Edward were also snipped.”

    “According to Anthony Holden’s biography of Prince Charles, cited by the Evening Standard, Jacob Snowman was summoned to the palace five days after Charles’s christening.

    Snowman was a mohel, a religious circumcision specialist, from London’s Jewish community, and he was chosen over the royal physician to perform the ritual.””
    __________________________

    You have obviously studied this matter in very great detail. Have you done similar research on other groups of particular interest to you, such as MPs, potential No voters in the independence referendum, etc? Have you identified any interesting correlations?

  560. This seems to have gone unnoticed today. Far more important I would have thought than the ceaseless discussion on genital mutilation. Obomber continues in his plan to encircle Russia.

    US unveils $1bn Europe security plan
    President Barack Obama announces plans for a $1bn fund to increase US military deployments to Europe, during a visit to Poland.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe/

    The hypocritical war monger moves on to France on Friday to remember the slaughter of D Day which happened 70 years ago. He will stand with the other war mongers like Hollande and Cameron.

  561. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:59 pm

    “http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/freedom-cheaper-than-iraq-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459812
    Another abusive ad hominem comment and incorrect assumption from the troll.”
    _________________________

    Not at all, just a statement of fact about how the bitch reacts when her favorites say something untoward.

    **********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  562. “I would submit that it isn’t and, furthermore, that the vast majority of adult male Jews have no hangups or gripes at all about having been circumcised.”

    Arghh, my friend. You lose a finger and it’s painful. But eventually you learn to manage with three fingers and a thumb on that hand. You have no hangups about it because that is the way it is. You have to get on with life. From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the prepuce lubr, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels. And it does feel good. Suffice to say that some from past experience may have found it so pleasurable it prevented them from getting on with the more important, if more mundane, everyday tasks. But it does feel good. Believe me. And I talk from personal experience. Why do you not want this for yourself, your family, and your friends is beyond me. :)

    I would however prefer four fingers and a thumb on each hand because that is so much better too, I assume. :)

  563. Should have read “From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the prepuce lubricated by natural juices, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels.”

    Firefox crashed hence the missing text.

  564. Mary 3 Jun, 2014 – 5:57 pm

    As you say so much more important. Obama wants NATO exercises in Ukraine. Ukraine is not even part of NATO. Sign this epetition, which could likely succeed and cause a parliamentary debate at the very least,

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64756

  565. Habbakuk/Habbabkuk is building up to his page 17 modus operandi. He said:

    ‘Notice how swiftly Mother Mary goes to ground when it’s her favorites who are busily commenting on cocks and matters connected. :)

    Got hand it to the old dear, no one could accuse her of not having balls!’
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/freedom-cheaper-than-iraq-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459812

    and then, after I said I had been out this afternoon, he ignores his earlier unfounded allegation and directs another coarse comment my way.

    ‘Not at all, just a statement of fact about how the bitch reacts when her favorites say something untoward.’

    He really needs to be stopped in his tracks before he brings this blog into disrepute. He is certainly achieving a troll’s function of diverting and disrupting.

    Craig is obviously occupied with the move.

    PS Note the American spelling of ‘favourite’.

    he say

  566. BBC expected to cut up to 600 jobs in news and radio
    James Harding, director of news and current affairs, to hold open sessions where further cuts are set to be discussed
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/03/bbc-cut-600-jobs-news-radio-james-harding

    Nothing on the BBC website!

    ~~

    Harding et al

    ‘Soon after his own appointment, Hall named James Harding as the BBC’s new director of news and current affairs. Until December, Harding was editor of The Times, an avowedly right-wing, pro-Israeli paper owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News International group.

    In 2011, Harding spoke at a media event organized by The Jewish Chronicle, telling his audience: “I am pro-Israel. I believe in the State of Israel. I would have had a real problem if I had been coming to a paper [The Times] with a history of being anti-Israel. And, of course, Rupert Murdoch is pro-Israel.”’

    Apologists for Israel take top posts at BBC
    http://electronicintifada.net/content/apologists-israel-take-top-posts-bbc/12395

  567. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 7:17 pm

    Mary

    “..and then, after I said I had been out this afternoon, he ignores his earlier unfounded allegation and directs another coarse comment my way.

    ‘Not at all, just a statement of fact about how the bitch reacts when her favorites say something untoward.’”
    _____________________

    The explanation is simple, Mary, and I’ve already given it to you, so you’ve had fair warning: every time you call me a troll, I shall immediately respond by calling you a bitch.

    That seems fair to me.

    So the solution is in your hands, Mary. No “troll” = no “bitch”.

  568. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 7:24 pm

    John Goss

    You’ve waxed so lyrical about the pleasures of foreskins that I almost suspect you’ve done it just as a literary exercise. Sub-Lawrentian, almost.

    The other side of the argument is that circumcised blokes make better cocksmen because longer-lasting.

    I fear that I shall not be taking any concrete steps to verify this. As a good Catholic, I want to be all there come the Resurrection.

    Let’s leave it there for the moment (until the next time FGM comes up, whereupon Mr Scorgie will again post about Jewish circumcision and the whole boring diversion can start all over again….:) )

  569. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 7:26 pm

    “BBC expected to cut up to 600 jobs in news and radio”
    ____________________

    But surely, Mary – as a BBC-hater (many comments passim), should you not be pleased?

  570. I should correct myself before somebody else does 6: 14 and 6:19. It is not:

    “From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the prepuce lubricated by natural juices, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels.”

    That is anatomically incorrect because foreskin = prepuce so it should read:

    “From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the glans lubricated by natural juices, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels.”

  571. “The other side of the argument is that circumcised blokes make better cocksmen because longer-lasting.”

    You have mentioned this several times so you must believe it. Either you or I, or both, do not understand women. Like men they are different. Yes a single or newly-wed woman might enjoy a long-lasting session of lovemaking but I suspect with most women this wears off in time, when, for example they have to be up for work in the morning, and other things need their attention. Also there are times when a woman is more responsive than others due to the natural cycle. My own very limited experience suggests that foreplay is all important to a woman, because both partners need to be satisfied. Attention to detail, as with all things, is important in lovemaking. Making one another feel loved is all important.

  572. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 8:01 pm

    _John

    Something tells me you’ve missed your true calling – you are the Alex Comfort of this blog!

    It’s quite a pleasant experience being able to agree with you for a change. But at the same time I feel guilty – not about agreeing with you but rather at the idea that we are diverting the political pundits and heavyweights on here away from matters of state and international policy; I can somehow feel them drumming their fingers on the table impatiently and their blood pressure rising inexorably in the face of such levity.

    After all, what’s a discussion of the best shag compared to a denunciation of Mr Cameron’s latest turpitude? (although I think Craig might quite like it…)

  573. No. Not necessarily good news. The minions at the BBC will get the chop and the liars and the Zionists will remain.

  574. Worthy of the Third Reich

    US Supreme Court rejects appeal by New York Times reporter James Risen

    By Thomas Gaist
    3 June 2014

    The US Supreme Court on Monday decided not to intervene in the case of James Risen, an author and reporter who is facing imprisonment for refusing to reveal the identity of one of his sources to the government. The court, in line with the recommendation of the Obama Justice Department, rejected Risen’s petition, upholding a ruling by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Risen is a leading investigative journalist who has exposed various illegal activities carried out by the US government. His recent work includes a piece for Sunday’s New York Times, based on documents leaked by Edward Snowden, in which he documents the National Security Agency’s use of facial recognition technologies to compile facial images of hundreds of millions of people in the US and around the world.

    In his book, State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration, Risen cites information from an unnamed intelligence agent about a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operation, codenamed Operation Merlin, which sought to disrupt Iran’s nuclear program.

    /..
    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/06/03/rise-j03.html

  575. If—as Habbabkuk suggests—circumcision really did make you a better lover, men would be queuing up round the block to have it done. When you consider all the strange and weird things men willingly undergo in pursuit of this goal you’d have to conclude that, in the matter of having the foreskin removed, they are voting with their…er…I think you know what they are voting with.

  576. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 8:53 pm

    “..if—as Habbabkuk suggests—circumcision really did make you a better lover,..)

    __________________________

    Whoa there, KoWN, not so fast!

    Firstly, I didn’t suggest anything: I was just retelling things I’d heard/read about.

    Secondly, I didn’t say “better lover”, I said “better cocksman”. There is a difference (pls refer to John Goss’s comments for elucidation).

  577. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 8:55 pm

    “No. Not necessarily good news. The minions at the BBC will get the chop and the liars and the Zionists will remain.”
    _________________

    Well, by “minions” I suppose you’re referring to the same guys on the ground (reporters, etc)you’re forever complaining about for their cowardice, partiality and so on?

    Please explain if I’m mistaken.

  578. “After all, what’s a discussion of the best shag compared to a denunciation of Mr Cameron’s latest turpitude? (although I think Craig might quite like it…)”

    I can’t speak for Craig.

    ‘Make love – not war’ was the slogan of the sixties. :) I knew someone who said he only went on the Aldermaston marches because of the ‘crumpet’. Nevertheless most of us were politically aware, as well as being sexually aware, or perhaps awake might be a better term. Back then television was not the propaganda machine it has become. So we have to multi-task. :)

    It grieves me to think of the poor people being killed in the Donbass region. It is not important enough for the BBC or other UK corporate-owned mass media channels to report. But Obama’s threat to deploy NATO troops in Ukraine is. What a topsy-turvy, arse about tit, cocked up world we live in.

  579. First Biden, then Brennan, and now US Assistant Secretary of Defense Derek Chollet. They all go to Kiev and within hours civilians die in the east. Chollet was there yesterday. They’re not even trying to hide it now. I think these fuckers want a war with Russia. They really are that crazy.

    Don’t get sidetracked by circumcision. It’s a cul-de-sac down which certain individuals will happily lead you. That’s their job.

  580. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:04 pm

    Hab has learned a lot today. Hope there is an outlet, other than the manual on manual-stimulation. Discovery is the first stop on the journey to adulthood.

  581. Agreed John. The corporate media are so clearly in lockstep with UK foreign policy, which is in lockstep with US foreign policy.

    I do wonder what the rest of the EU, especially Germany, make of the US “promise” to protect Europe by spending $1 billion. More surveillance of their leaders and more industrial espionage? I hope the rest of the EU will tell the US where to go once they realise that a confrontation with Russia, or at the very least some serious disinvestment, is on the cards if the neo-con psychos and their Drone King MC don’t relent.

    There’s a crossroads coming and the EU will have to decide which path to take.

  582. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:15 pm

    This is an old piece when his nimbus was shiny.

    http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com.br/2006/01/ideology-of-lawlessness.html

  583. That’s a good piece, Ben. Sounds a bit like papal infallibility to me. The Holy Neocon Empire, with POTUS handing out indulgences to obedient princes such as Blair.

  584. Peacewisher

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:38 pm

    The EU used to be independent of the US (c.f. the stand on GM foods, and the Kyoto Protocol). In fact, apart from governments of Spain and Italy (and UK obviously) they were pretty much against the Iraq war. So what changed… I think it may have been the elevation of Barroso (host of Bush, Bair and Azwar) and the arrival of Sarkozy. Now the EU has flipped over I can’t see it flipping back. The good news is that the people of many European countries now want to leave the EU…

  585. 1 hr 10 min in

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04573rb

    American conservative talking about American adversaries and the need for obamas
    Billion dollars fighting,

    Such a poisonous attitude in international affairs.

    All humans are a like and should be given a fair chance,
    that is not an un reasonable notion.

  586. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:46 pm

    Mike; The domestic front cannot be forgotten. One more major attack on US soil and we’re Soylent Green.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/03/obama-revive-domestic-terror-task-force

    The United States is re-establishing a law enforcement group to fight those it designates as domestic terrorists, with an announcement expected on Tuesday, Department of Justice officials said.

    Following hate-motivated shootings such as the one at a Jewish Community Center in Kansas City, Missouri in April, federal prosecutors have pressed the need to coordinate intelligence of such criminals on a national level, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    The group will coordinate cases that involve Americans who may be spurred to violence for political or prejudicial reasons.

  587. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 10:02 pm

    As to the legality;

    “With respect to the separate 30-day notification requirement in Section 1035(d), the Administration determined that the notification requirement should be construed ****not to apply to this unique set of circumstances****, in which the transfer would secure the release of a captive U.S. soldier and the Secretary of Defense, acting on behalf ofthe President, has determined that providing notice as specified in the statute could endanger the soldier’s life.”

    http://justsecurity.org/11134/administrations-explanation-wait-30-days-complete-bergdahl-exchange/

    This sounds similar to SCOTUS’s *one-time* diversion from the Constitution in the 2000 Presidential

  588. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 10:27 pm

    Dem Senator Wayne Morse, one of only two who voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

    “Foreign policy doesn’t belong to the President, it belongs to the American people”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiLV-Xeh8bA

  589. Is there anybody said the ….?

  590. Couldn’t resist. LOL!

  591. “There’s a crossroads coming and the EU will have to decide which path to take.”

    Very true Mike. I am surprised that Europe has not already taken into account the fact that under Yanukovich there was peace, under the interim government with Yatsenyuk at the helm there has been civil war. It is as plain as the nose on your face. But that is not the way Yatsenyuk sees it.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_03/Ukraine-files-two-lawsuits-against-Russia-in-ECHR-Yatsenyuk-1650/

    But the real truth is something entirely different, as posted by a commenter below the article. The aftermath of the Odessa fire. Contains stark images of bodies being searched for identification.

    http://filmys.com/770super-user/videos/video/547-aftermath-of-fire-in-odessa-were-many-pro-russian-activists-burned-to-death-graphic#.U44_H3YvDjI

  592. That was supposed to be one of my favourite poems from schooldays. I always found the scenario intriguing and mysterious.

    The Listeners
    By Walter De La Mare

    ‘Is there anybody there?’ said the Traveller,
    Knocking on the moonlit door;
    And his horse in the silence champed the grasses
    Of the forest’s ferny floor:

    And a bird flew up out of the turret,
    Above the Traveller’s head:
    And he smote upon the door again a second time;
    ‘Is there anybody there?’ he said.

    But no one descended to the Traveller;
    No head from the leaf-fringed sill
    Leaned over and looked into his grey eyes,
    Where he stood perplexed and still.

    But only a host of phantom listeners
    That dwelt in the lone house then
    Stood listening in the quiet of the moonlight
    To that voice from the world of men:

    Stood thronging the faint moonbeams on the dark stair,
    That goes down to the empty hall,
    Hearkening in an air stirred and shaken
    By the lonely Traveller’s call.

    And he felt in his heart their strangeness,
    Their stillness answering his cry,
    While his horse moved, cropping the dark turf,
    ’Neath the starred and leafy sky;

    For he suddenly smote on the door, even
    Louder, and lifted his head:—
    ‘Tell them I came, and no one answered,
    That I kept my word,’ he said.

    Never the least stir made the listeners,
    Though every word he spake
    Fell echoing through the shadowiness of the still house
    From the one man left awake:

    Ay, they heard his foot upon the stirrup,
    And the sound of iron on stone,
    And how the silence surged softly backward,
    When the plunging hoofs were gone.

    ~~

    Who was the Horseman and why wasn’t he answered?

  593. Obama has fouled up on this prisoner release. A lot is coming out about Bergdahl’s ‘capture’ and the circumstances. One report says that he abandoned his post and fellow soldiers and that six military lost their lives in attempting to rescue him.

    Sgt Bergdahl: Army ‘May Pursue’ Desertion Probe
    Questions swirl over the details of Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl’s capture as Barack Obama continues to defend the prisoner swap.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1274660/sgt-bergdahl-army-may-pursue-desertion-probe

  594. Resident Dissident

    3 Jun, 2014 - 10:54 pm

    “It grieves me to think of the poor people being killed in the Donbass region. It is not important enough for the BBC or other UK corporate-owned mass media channels to report. But Obama’s threat to deploy NATO troops in Ukraine is. What a topsy-turvy, arse about tit, cocked up world we live in.”

    It grieves me too – but rather than worrying about Nato training exercises I am rather more worried about the Russian soldiers and mercenaries that Putin is allowing to infiltrate into the Ukraine in order to stir up the conflict even further. Of course if the great Satan were to indulge in equivalent behaviour then this is such a topsy turvy world that Mr Arse about tit would be the first to get his cock up.

  595. Resident Dissident

    3 Jun, 2014 - 11:04 pm

    “But the real truth is something entirely different, as posted by a commenter below the article.”

    For those who are interested in the truth as what happened in Odessa rather than rather dubious Putinista propaganda might I suggest the following is a rather more balanced account – which ascribes responsibility to both sides – Mr Goss noticeably fails to note that gun shots were fired and Molotov cocktails were thrown from the building in his highly typical one sided accounts.

    http://3dblogger.typepad.com/minding_russia/2014/05/odessatragedy.html

  596. “It grieves me too – but rather than worrying about Nato training exercises I am rather more worried about the Russian soldiers and mercenaries that Putin is allowing to infiltrate into the Ukraine in order to stir up the conflict even further.”

    Evidence? It is not the pro-Russian secessionists that are bombing schools and hospitals and parks. Not reported on your favourite channels. So Russia Today must be making it up I suppose.

    As to what happened in Odessa I should be interested to know too. Because all the indications are that those on the roof were wearing red armbands. I agree that earlier in the day there were provocations from both sides.

  597. “…under Yanukovich there was peace,”

    Well right up until his undemocratic last minute rejection of the EU deal in favour of the one offered by Moscow which lit the blue touch paper. His attempted crack down on protestors only inflamed the situation.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/03/timeline-ukraine-political-crisis-201431143722854652.html

  598. The Walter de la Mare poem Mary is very good apart from the scansion (which I guess does not matter any more). It is in some ways reminiscent of The Highwayman by Alfred Noyes, one of my favourite poems, and one for which my mother won an elocution competition when she was a girl. It begins:

    The wind was a torrent of darkness among the gusty trees,
    The moon was a ghostly galleon tossed upon cloudy seas,
    The road was a ribbon of moonlight over the purple moor,
    And the highwayman came riding—
    Riding—riding—
    The highwayman came riding, up to the old inn-door.

    Full poem here:

    http://www.potw.org/archive/potw85.html

  599. “Who was the Horseman and why wasn’t he answered?”

    Perhaps he was The Highwayman!

  600. It is difficult to understand institutionalised Russophobia in the US and the UK establishment asylums, as the Bolshevik/Communist elements around which their hatred coalesced were not, did not self-identify as Russian, were responsible for overthrow and murder of the (admittedly awful) Tsarist regime, the extermination, a holocaust of some 20 million Russians and Ukranians in hate-fuelled purges, oft cited as the height of Communist depravity and awfulness, but which were were rather obviously not carried out by Russians or Ukranians, and the hated Communist regime is not represented by or related in any way to the remaining survivors of that systematised abuse and extermination , unequalled in human history who remain, though much reduced in their native lands, as powerless and unthreatening as their peasant ancestors.

    The successors of those despotic Communist fiends, their titular and biological descendants began leaving Russia and other former Soviet republics in their millions – the chosen elite elements and thuggish petit-bourgeois – beginning in 1991 under Gorbachev, with the exception of some few remaining oligarchs, all left Russia, mainly for Israel.

    So how come the US and UK continue in their fatal infatuation with Israel where their one time, all-time, greatest enemies now repose, whilst continuing in their persecution of the peoples of Eastern Europe and Russia in another phoney old cold-war, and seek either to kill them still, in megadeaths or to enslave them as their departed Communist masters enslaved them in hard labour, ignorance, fear, penury, dispossession and servitude, except this time round they call it capitalism?

  601. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 11:38 pm

    What was sofia’s last post? It’s been a while….

  602. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 11:42 pm

    “So how come the US and UK continue in their fatal infatuation with Israel where their one time, all-time, greatest enemies now repose, whilst continuing in their persecution of the peoples of Eastern Europe and Russia in another phoney old cold-war, and seek either to kill them still, in megadeaths or to enslave them as their departed Communist masters enslaved them in hard labour, ignorance, fear, penury, dispossession and servitude, except this time round they call it capitalism?”

    Simple. Self-interest and the bullying compote which attends power. Human nature is the most predictable behavior of all.

  603. “Well right up until his undemocratic last minute rejection of the EU deal in favour of the one offered by Moscow which lit the blue touch paper.”

    Al Jazeera might sound like it is eastern news outlet, and may once have been, but it is actually the western-backed mouthpiece of that sheikdom of human rights’ abuses, Qatar. I would give it no credibility whatsoever having been awarded the 2022 World Cup by nefarious means, and a country which accepted five exchanged and tortured Guantanamo internees originally from Afghanistan. God, their lives are going to be hell until Qatar becomes the US enemy. It is owned by the 7th richest man in the world (Wikipedia) and is full of shit.

  604. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jun, 2014 - 12:01 am

    “Al Jazeera might sound like it is eastern news outlet, and may once have been, but it is actually the western-backed mouthpiece of that sheikdom of human rights’ abuses, Qatar. I would give it no credibility whatsoever having been awarded the 2022 World Cup by nefarious means, and a country which accepted five exchanged and tortured Guantanamo internees originally from Afghanistan. God, their lives are going to be hell until Qatar becomes the US enemy. It is owned by the 7th richest man in the world (Wikipedia) and is full of shit.”

    CHEERIO, John. I was hoping someone would say that.

  605. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    4 Jun, 2014 - 12:18 am

    “What was sofia’s last post?”

    _________________

    Who ?

  606. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jun, 2014 - 12:34 am

    Sofia is the gently sublime avatar who dogs your ragged ass, havasack.

  607. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jun, 2014 - 12:58 am

    Semantics will have to take a back-seat.

    avatar (n.)
    1784, “descent of a Hindu deity,” from Sanskrit avatarana “descent” (of a deity to the earth in incarnate form), from ava- “off, down” (from PIE *au- (2) “off, away”) + base of tarati “(he) crosses over,” from PIE root *tere- (2) “to cross over” (see through). In computer use, it seems to trace to the novel “Snowcrash” (1992) by Neal Stephenson.

    The meaning has to do mostly with sofia’s playful MAYA style. Like God having a good laugh when we pratfall.

  608. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jun, 2014 - 1:47 am

    Oh, man. This is fucked up

    https://news.vice.com/article/why-was-the-fbi-investigating-michael-hastings-reporting-on-bowe-bergdahl

    “Three years into the disappearance of Bowe Bergdahl in Afghanistan, Michael Hastings — the journalist whose reporting cost General Stanley McChrystal his job — wrote a Rolling Stone story on the missing soldier, a piece which the magazine called “the definitive first account of Bowe Bergdahl.”

    Hastings, who died in a car accident in Los Angeles in June 2013, had unparalleled access for that story.

    He spoke to Bergdahl’s parents, who had by that time stopped talking to the press, following “subtle pressure” from the army, and he quoted from emails the young soldier had sent to them, documenting his growing disillusion with the war and the US military.

    Hastings also spoke to several unnamed men in Bergdahl’s unit — soldiers who, we now know, had to sign a strict nondisclosure agreement forbidding them from discussing the soldier’s disappearance and search with anyone — let alone one of the top investigative journalists in the country.

    ‘Michael and Matt both worked really, really hard on that story, and I know for a fact that they did it in a way that completely angered the US military and the US government.’

  609. Great piece of journalism from Hastings, Ben. And a first. The exchange for the poor man who walked out of his military post into captivity was exchanged for the Guantanamo Afghanistan prisoners sent to meet further justice or slavery in Qatar. Pity the spooks got Hastings. He was a good reporter.

  610. “Al Jazeera might sound like it is eastern news outlet, and may once have been, but it is actually the western-backed mouthpiece of that sheikdom of human rights’ abuses, Qatar. I would give it no credibility whatsoever.. ”

    I suppose I had no right to expect any more. Whatever the source any truthfull timeline of events in Ukraine will tell you the same, not that anyone with a memory greater than that of a goldfish should need telling. Unless of course you find it upsets your worldview and you want to forget it.

  611. The gangsters/war mongers are freezing President Putin out of their meet of the G7. On their agenda is a discussion on how to reduce Europesn reliance on Russian gas. LOL

    The G7 was relocated from Sochi to Brussels.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/03/politics/obama-europe/

    Notice that when Obomber meets another head of state, a handshake is not sufficient. He lopes towards the recipient wearing his silly mindless grin, shakes their hand and then places his other hand on their shoulder, thus possessing them. Such s nice man and so touchy feely. You would never think he was a killer.

    eg with Komorowski yesterday.
    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140603121705-05-obama-poland-0603-horizontal-gallery.jpg

  612. Democracy and corporations work together with the share holding public to conduct the geopolitical situation worldwide.
    It’s a free for all folks wealth is taken and funneled and entertainment is yours to enjoy.

    Self determination that’s it.

    Let’s hope for an ease in tensions and good discussion for a better future.

  613. “Wiki any better for you?”

    Well yes, except it finishes in February. The first killings, as we have previously established came from, rogue elements in the Maidan crowds. But that was in January. The nonsense about Yanukovich not signing the European agreement was turned into an issue by Yatsenyuk and the fascist parties of Svoboda and Right Sector he spearheads. Poroshenko has not signed the agreement either and does not look likely to either. Mug up Kempe for God’s sake.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/29/ukraine-poroshenko-asks-eu-wait-association-agreement/

    As to the west’s reporting on the war by Poroshenko’s forces on Eastern Ukraine it is non-existent. Another hospital was bombed yesterday killing two patients and other patients were carried to a basement. Mug up Kempe. One day I hope you will realise, like NATO seems to have done with Syria, that overthrowing elected governments is wrong.

  614. Mary, did you read The Highwayman?

  615. People ‘more negative about Russia’
    People’s views of Russia have strongly deteriorated since last year, the latest 24-country poll conducted for the BBC World Service suggests.

    Fancy that BBC? Join in the kicking why don’t you. How were the questions framed?

    More of the black propaganda. Iran and North Korea get the treatment too.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/27685494

  616. The Zombies meet for their last session before the UKIP rout takes place in 2015.

    Queen’s Speech set to outline pensions reform as Coalition bids to prove it is ‘no zombie government’
    Reform of pensions system at centre of Government’s final programme, but Ed Miliband accuses Coalition of delivering ‘more of the same’ insubstantial legislation
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/queens-speech/10873629/Queens-Speech-set-to-outline-pensions-reform-as-Coalition-bids-to-prove-it-is-no-zombie-government.html

    Her Maj, their ruler, will arrive in a new coach cannibalized from other relics of the EmPyre. Made in Oz by a loyal subject, its cost not mentioned but paid for by the Australian government!! and the maker Mr Frecklington.

    Queen’s Speech 2014: New three-tonne coach unveiled
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27688923

  617. Yes I did John. Thanks.

    Haunting much like his photo here.

    http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/alfred-noyes

  618. An interesting biography of him.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Noyes

    Different times. How would his lecture tour be received in modern day America?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Noyes#War

    I see a son-in- law became Lord Nolan, the judge, who became the chair of the Committee on Standards in Public Life. Some hyperbole in his Guardian obit.

    ‘.. “Lord Nolan .. made a profound mark on national life by substantially cleansing the Augean stable of corrupt politics as founding chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life.”.’

    No visible signs of that cleansing.

  619. Mary I took a look at that story you linked to, on the Australian maker of this carriage.

    Luverly luverly luverly eh?

    I can’t quite believe people fall for this crap, when they are struggling to pay basic utilities bills!

    Sorry I can’t quite keep up with conversations here-like you in days gone I am caring for my mother with Alzheimers and 90 year old father who is not coping with Mum!

    Keep up the great work and do not waste energy on those who do not value You.

  620. I agree Mary, it is a haunting photo of Noyes. I am not surprised he was critical of Joyce since he is fond of Tennyson and Wordsworth. Wordsworth was all right, Tennyson a superb craftsman. His idyll “The Brook” is one of mys favourite narrative poems. Joyce, as with many experimental poets, has his followers, but “Ulysses” is alongside Salman Rushdie’s “Satanic Verses” and very much among books that most people put down before finishing. And very few pick up “Finnegan’s Wake”. :)

  621. doug scorgie

    4 Jun, 2014 - 10:29 am

    Public consultation?

    “Plans are underway to privatise one of the best-performing public services, the Land Registry”

    “The public consultation on government proposals to privatise the Land Registry closed on Thursday 20th March. There has been no publicity or attempt to inform the public of this radical change to an organisation that is vital to the UK property market.”

    “Another consultation on giving the Land Registry wider powers in the control of data essential to the sale and purchase of property closed earlier with the majority of the public not being aware if it’s existence.”

    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/LandRegistry

  622. doug scorgie

    4 Jun, 2014 - 11:08 am

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    3 Jun, 2014 – 5:50 pm

    “I suspect you have a greater hang-up about male circumcision than do those who have been circumcised. Why so, Doug?”

    My “hang-up” Habbabkuk is concern for human rights:

    UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

    Article 2
    “The Convention applies to every child whatever their ethnicity, gender, religion, abilities, whatever they think or say, no matter what type of family they come from.”

    Article 12
    “Every child has the right to say what they think in all matters affecting them, and to have their views taken seriously.”

    Circumcision, for non-medical reasons, takes away the rights of the child.

    Though I don’t expect you to look at it that way Habbabkuk.

    Interestingly the only two states not to ratify the convention are Somalia and the USA

  623. “The nonsense about Yanukovich not signing the European agreement ”

    How is it nonsense? Are you saying it never happened?

    ” overthrowing elected governments is wrong ”

    Unless it’s a western orientated one, eh John.

  624. Ba'al Zevul (Pigeons Aren't the Only Flying Rats)

    4 Jun, 2014 - 12:38 pm

    This just out: shining beacon of ME democracy continues land grab…

    http://nad-plo.org/userfiles/file/fact%20sheets/FACTSHEET_GATE_KEEPERS_WEB_FINAL.pdf

    Looks as if the Quartet’s representative’s attendance at the February 2014 Munich Security Conference, along with Kerry, Indyck, Livni and Erekat, was treated with the usual disdain by the usual suspects.

    Nice pic of G-CEYL, Tony’s flying limousine, at Munich, in February, here, though:

    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7332/12285300524_9d7fa9d953_b.jpg

  625. Dear Babushka. You sound a very kind person. I sympathize with your predicament but you would not have it any other way I guess. I had similar times but they are long past now. There is always a light at the end of the proverbial tunnel. x

    Are you able to tell us more about this ‘sick tax’ of Abbott’s. More privatisation?

    John Thanks for your interesting comments on poets and their works. I too love Tennyson. Two of his poems come to mind and I can almost still recite them from heart as we were taught to memorize them. I won’t say how long ago but way back.

    ‘Break, Break Break on thy cold grey stones O Sea…’ (in memory of his friend) and The Lady of Shalott. The latter I sometimes recite when walking with the dog. ‘Willows whiten, aspens quiver, Little breezes dusk and shiver’…. Beautiful.

  626. He was shouting, not speaking. Listen to him on the video. A rabble rouser. A demagogue. No irony contained in this headline.

    Obama condemns Russian ‘aggression’ in Ukraine
    US President Barack Obama: “We stand together now and forever, for your freedom is ours”

    Ukraine crisis
    Boots on the ground?
    Poroshenko profile
    Crisis mapped
    Wild east

    US President Barack Obama has condemned Russian “aggression” in Ukraine.

    Speaking in Warsaw to mark 25 years since the fall of communism in Poland, he hailed Polish democracy as a beacon for neighbouring Ukraine.

    “How can we allow the dark tactics of the 20th Century to define the 21st?” he said.

    Earlier Mr Obama met Ukraine President-elect Petro Poroshenko, and pledged support for plans to restore peace to the country.

    /..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27691607

  627. Excuse if this was already posted here
    video footage of Bowe bergdahls handover, made by Taliban

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/bowe-bergdahl-video-von-austausch-des-us-soldaten-mit-taliban-a-973303.html

  628. Netanyahu has already blessed Narendra Modi as Israel’s best friend among Asian leaders. Bibi says that under Modi administration, India-Israel military and economic relations will surge further.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/05/17/modi-israels-favorite-wins-election-in-india/

  629. Says it all,

    How things change. No disrespect to the Chinese who reap the fruits of there labour.
    But how through mechanisation there is a breakdown in ancient practises.
    That are fast disappearing in society.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrarian_society

  630. “Unless it’s a western orientated one, eh John.”

    Not true. I’ve always been for the ballot box over the gun, negotiation over confrontation.

  631. @Mary

    You’d probably enjoy Browning’s Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came’. Something about it vaguely similar to The Listeners. Who is in the Tower?

    Last two verses:

    Not hear? when noise was everywhere! it toll’d
    Increasing like a bell. Names in my ears
    Of all the lost adventurers my peers,—
    How such a one was strong, and such was bold,
    And such was fortunate, yet each of old
    Lost, lost! one moment knell’d the woe of years.:

    There they stood, ranged along the hill-sides, met
    To view the last of me, a living frame
    For one more picture! in a sheet of flame
    I saw them and I knew them all. And yet
    Dauntless the slug-horn to my lips I set,
    And blew “Childe Roland to the Dark Tower came.”

  632. Mary (at 10.46 pm on 3 June and John Goss at 11.25 and 11.32 pm) have happily brought together two poems whose meaning – for all their vividness and metrical strength – is hard to pin down. What makes them stick in our collective memory like an archetypal dream? I’ll be foolhardy and try to answer Mary’s questions (“Who was the Horseman and why wasn’t he answered?”), using John’s suggestion that the Horseman was the Highwayman.

    The horse is Time and the horseman is not “the Pale Rider, Death” (Revelation 6:8) but the living who are trying to ride into the world of those once living who are now ghosts – the past that never goes entirely away, always casting shadows onto the present and the future.

    This interpretation comes from repeated readings in the past two days of the elegy “Hallaig” by the Scottish Gaelic poet, Sorley MacLean. The poem is set in his birthplace, the island of Raasay, off Skye. Many of the islanders, including 40 from Hallaig, were “encouraged” to emigrate to Australia in June 1854. – a late episode of the Highland clearances The theme is set in the first line: “Time, the deer, is in Hallaig Wood”. That is where the poet finds “each departed generation has gathered”, but when he takes aim with “Love’s loaded gun” those who were alive become dead again.

    In the Noyes’ poem, death intervenes when the Highwayman tries to make the past become his future by keeping his promise to the girl whose memory has never left him. In Walter de la Mare’s poem the door remains shut because his Listeners cannot afford to let the Traveller be true to his word. The past is another country whose inhabitants can only stay alive if they are not overpowered by the seductive promises of the colonising living. That is why non-one answers the Traveller.

    Even though Sorley MacLean provided English versions of all his poems, I prefer the translation of “Hallaig” by his friend Seamus Heaney – see
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/nov/30/featuresreviews.guardianreview35

  633. Mary, there must have been some kind of national curriculum in those days. I remember “Break, break, on thy cold grey stones O sea, and I would that my heart could utter the thoughts that arise in me . . .” Or something like that. “But ‘The Brook’ he loved, for which in branding summers of Bengal, or even the half-English Neilgherry Air I panted, seems as I relisten to it, prattling the primrose fancies of the boy, to me who loved him. . . For O brook, he says, O babbling brook, says Edmund in his rhyme, whence come you, and the brook, why not, replies:

    I come from haunts of coot and hern,
    I make a sudden sally,
    And sparkle out among the fern,
    To bicker down a valley.

    By thirty hills I hurry down
    Or slip between the ridges
    By twenty thorps, a little town,
    And half a hundred bridges.

    Till last by Phillip’s farm I flow
    To join the brimming river,
    For men may come, and men may go,
    But I go on forever.

    Yes men may come and go, and these are all gone. My dear brother Edmund sleeps not by the well-known stream and rustic spire, but unfamiliar Arno and the dome of Brunelleschi . . .

    I could go on. It is a dear poem. We still have copies of my mother’s collections of Tennyson and Scott given to her on her wedding day by her friend, Rose, or so it says inside. I cannot say I ever met Rose and think she may have been a friend when mum was nursing at Sheffield Infirmary during the Second World War. Memories, hey!

  634. Ba'al Zevul (Pigeons Aren't the Only Flying Rats)

    4 Jun, 2014 - 2:43 pm

    I think Tony’s been out of the country, the last couple of days. Plausible scenario is that he left on the 2nd (pm) to and returned from a westerly destination today (middayish). US/Canada probably, with a side-bet on NI. He’s been remarkably silent since his CBI speech, anyway. He may have been filming an interview with National Geographic for transmission on the 6th, but that’s just a guess, obviously.

  635. Thanks to Iain Orr for his piece. Always interesting contributions.

    ~~

    Saw this on Sky News. Not sure where the Al Hilli thread has got to or if it is still open.

    Alps Murders: Soldier Quizzed Commits Suicide
    The 50-year-old soldier, who apparently shot himself, left a note saying the questioning made him feel “disturbed” and “accused”.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1274934/alps-murders-soldier-quizzed-commits-suicide

    A suicide in this instance is not an admission of guilt I would say. There could be many other reasons.

    It is tragic to see the photo of the family and to see how close they were to each other.

  636. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jun, 2014 - 2:49 pm

    John @ 6:07

    Joe Cannon has some interesting thoughts on Bergdahl. Was he a spook? What was the big story Hastings was working on when he was mysteriously killed?

    http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2014/06/berghdal-spy.html

  637. Ba'al Zevul (Pigeons Aren't the Only Flying Rats)

    4 Jun, 2014 - 3:14 pm

    G-CEYL now heading east over N’lands, general direction of Berlin.

  638. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    4 Jun, 2014 - 3:53 pm

    “Sofia is the gently sublime avatar who dogs your ragged ass, havasack.”
    ________________

    Never heard of her, Ben. Are you sure she existed?

  639. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    4 Jun, 2014 - 4:05 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    3 Jun, 2014 – 5:50 pm

    “I suspect you have a greater hang-up about male circumcision than do those who have been circumcised. Why so, Doug?”

    My “hang-up” Habbabkuk is concern for human rights:

    UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Rtc, etc, etc..”
    _______________________________

    I don’t believe you for a moment, Doug. I believe you use the theme to get in a further swift kick at the Jews ( other circumstantial evidence pointing that way is your frequent statements on here that Israel has no right to exist).

    But anyway, let us assume for a brief moment and for the sake of argument that you’re telling the truth. In that case, you would be in the slightly curious position of being more concerned about the rights of a large number of now adult people than those people themselves are concerned, wouldn’t you. As I said, you appear to have a big hangup whereas the vast majority of those circumcised have no hangup at all.

    ***************************

    And now stop diverting or your Mother will get cross with you.

  640. Iain Orr, an appropriate thought process. I think Heaney was great and I met him at a Readers’ and Writers’ Festival in Cannon Hill in the early nineties I think. He was a doughty character ready to discuss poetry with the minions. I confess that Sorley MacLean is new to me. I’ve come across the Orcadian poet George Mackay Brown, Norman McCaig, and Hugh McDiarmid but Scottish poets are not my forte, though I quite liked the nature-poetry of Kathleen Raine who well captures the Scottish landscape:

    He has married me with a ring, a ring of bright water . . .

    which Gavin Maxwell used for the title of his most famous book.

    Of Gaelic writers in general I read a beautifully poetic translation of “Twenty Years a’Growing” some years back by Maurice O’Sullivan about life and hardship living on one of the Blasket Isles, clambering up rock faces to collect seagull eggs and collecting peat for the fires. Maurice O’Sullivan was one of the last inhabitants of the Blasket Isles. But what I remember most was the easy translation by George Thomson, a professor from Birmingham University. It was the way he captured the dialogue, so Irish in its mannerism with tautological expressions like “says I to myself, I says” which really made it an outstanding and unforgettable read. I cannot praise this book more highly other than if I had written it myself. It was recommended to me by a work colleague and I pass that recommendation on with my endorsement.

    But getting back to the horseman, ghost or human, I am also put in mind of Rudyard Kipling’s “The way through the woods” and “a swish of a skirt in the dew” but as we know there is no way through the woods. I wonder how many more draw upon this theme?

    http://www.immortalmuse.com/2011/02/08/tuesday-poem-the-way-through-the-woods-by-rudyard-kipling/

  641. Ba'al Zevul (Pigeons Aren't the Only Flying Rats)

    4 Jun, 2014 - 4:18 pm

  642. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO, 4 Jun, 2014 – 2:49 pm

    I wonder what he was working on too. Something that might make him the victim of an assassination perhaps?

    Ba’al, very witty. But not many lawyers come out of the profession with their morals intact.

  643. Cameron is hell bent on excluding nhimself from the table with his intransigence. His mistake was to under estimate the broad support Juncker has and his blackmail will not go down well with Merkel.
    Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Cameron could be central to discussing reform of the EU, but he failed to see the chance in favour of ramming a fencepost up his jacksey.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/cameron-risks-losing-merkel-as-ally-in-eu-feud-a-973389.html

  644. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jun, 2014 - 5:23 pm

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/02/john-mccain/john-mccain-says-five-taliban-detainees-freed-bowe/

    Here’s a rundown of the five former detainees:

    • Mullah Mohammad Fazl. Experts suggested to PolitiFact that, of the five, Fazl and Noori may be the most dangerous to United States interests.

    Fazl was an experienced commander against the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance and served as the Taliban’s army chief of staff. He’s “wanted by the UN for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites” and had “operational associations with significant al Qaeda and other extremist personnel.” The leaked documents say Fazl “wielded considerable influence” and that he’s become a recruiting symbol for the Taliban.

    • Mullah Norullah Noori. Noori was a “senior Taliban military commander” and the onetime governor of Balkh province who, like Fazl, is on the United Nations’ radar screen for possible war crimes.

    Fazl and Noori “were responsible for ethno-sectarian massacres in northern Afghanistan, as were some of their enemies who are now in the Afghan government,” said Barnett R. Rubin, director and senior fellow at New York University’s Center on International Cooperation. “They cooperated with al-Qaida, which was providing assistance to their fight against the Northern Alliance.”

    Leaked documents cite ties to the Taliban’s top leader, Mullah Omar, and “senior al-Qaida members,” including the allegation that he passed a message from Omar to al-Qaida’s Osama bin Laden.

    • Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa. The leaked documents say Khairkhwa was close to both Omar and bin Laden, representing the Taliban in “meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against U.S. and Coalition Forces” following the start of the United States war in Afghanistan. He was governor of Herat province from 1999 to 2001 and was alleged to be one of the “major opium drug lords in western Afghanistan.”

    Complicating matters somewhat, Khairkhwa was in discussions with the family of post-war Afghan leader Hamid Karzai, a longtime friend, about possibly cooperating with the new government when he was arrested in Pakistan in 2002 and brought to Guantanamo.

    • Abdul Haq Wasiq. Wasiq was the deputy chief of the Taliban’s intelligence service and “was central to the Taliban’s efforts to form alliances with other Islamic fundamentalist groups to fight alongside the Taliban against U.S. and Coalition forces after the 11 September 2001 attacks,” according to the leaked documents, which added that he “utilized his office to support al-Qaida and to assist Taliban personnel elude capture” in late 2001. He is believed to have “arranged for al-Qaida personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff in intelligence methods.”

    Wasiq claimed to be offering cooperation to the United States, though the U.S. government has officially been skeptical of those claims.

    • Mohammad Nabi Omari. Leaked documents describe Omari as “a senior Taliban official who served in multiple leadership roles,” including membership in a joint al-Qaida-Taliban cell in Khowst that “was involved in attacks against U.S. and coalition forces.” Omari also “maintained weapons caches and facilitated the smuggling of fighters and weapons,” the documents say.

    Omari, like Wasiq, was apprehended while claiming to be providing intelligence of interest to the United States.

  645. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jun, 2014 - 5:25 pm

  646. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jun, 2014 - 5:30 pm

    All you need is an order to Zuckerman requiring he install a ‘snark’ button next to ‘like’. Ez pz for our compliant overlords of the Oversoul.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-secret-service-wants-software-that-detects-sarcasm-yeah-good-luck/2014/06/03/35bb8bd0-eb41-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html

  647. The link given earlier by Baal is excellent.

    http://nad-plo.org/userfiles/file/fact%20sheets/FACTSHEET_GATE_KEEPERS_WEB_FINAL.pdf

    It is from the State of Palestine
    Palestine Liberation Organization and is entitled

    Jerusalem’s Gate Keepers:
    THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINIAN BEDOUIN COMMUNITIES
    IN THE EASTERN JERUSALEM GOVERNORATE

    and is graphically illustrated with photos, some shocking.

  648. Agent Cameron’s plans to allow fracking are slipped in to this cover all ‘Infrastructure Bill’. See what else is being planned

    Infrastructure Bill

    “My government will introduce a Bill to bolster investment in infrastructure and reform planning law to improve economic competitiveness. The Bill will enhance the United Kingdom’s energy independence and security by opening up access to shale and geothermal sites and maximising North Sea resources. Legislation will allow for the creation of an allowable solutions scheme to enable all new homes to be built to a zero carbon standard and will guarantee long-term investment in the road network.”

    The purpose of the Bill is to:

     Bolster investment in infrastructure by allowing stable long term funding, deliver better value for money and relieve unnecessary administrative pressures. The Bill would increase transparency of information provision and improve planning processes, allowing us to get Britain building for our future and compete in the global race.

    The main benefits of the Bill would be to:

     Direct funding to where it is most needed to deliver better economic outcomes, creating the right conditions for sustainable growth.

     Create jobs and improve economic competitiveness across areas of transport, energy provision, housing development and nationally significant infrastructure projects.

     Speed up the pace of delivery in key areas of infrastructure developments whilst still safeguarding the need for communities to be involved.

    The main elements of the Bill are:

    Roads

     The Bill would turn the Highways Agency into a Government owned company, with the stable, long term funding needed to plan ahead. It would create units within Passenger Focus and the Office of Rail Regulation to represent the interests of road users and to monitor the company’s performance.

    Invasive non-native species

     The Bill would allow for Species Control Orders to control the invasive, non-native species that pose serious threats to biodiversity, the water environment and infrastructure.

    Nationally Significant Infrastructure Projects

     The Bill would simplify the process for making changes to Development Consent Orders (DCO) by speeding up non-material changes to a DCO, and allowing simplified processes for material changes.

     The Bill would allow the Examining Authority to be appointed immediately after an application has been accepted and for the panel to comprise two inspectors, speeding up the process and saving money.

    Deemed discharge for certain planning conditions

     The Bill would allow certain types of planning conditions to be discharged upon application if a local planning authority has not notified the developer of their decision within a prescribed time period, reducing unnecessary delay and costs.

    Public Sector Land Assets

     The Bill would permit land to be transferred directly from arms-length bodies to the Homes and Communities Agency, reducing bureaucracy and managing land more effectively.

     The Bill would ensure that future purchasers of land owned by the Homes and Communities Agency and the Greater London Authority will be able to develop and use land without being affected by easements and other rights and restrictions suspended by the Agency.

    Land Registry

     The Bill would transfer statutory responsibility for the local land charges register and delivery of local land charges searches to the Land Registry supporting the delivery of digital services and extend Land Registry’s powers to enable it to provide information and register services relating to land and other property.

    Energy

     The Bill would enable the Secretary of State to give communities the right to buy a stake in their local renewable electricity scheme so that they can gain a greater share in the associated financial benefits

     Subject to consultation, this Bill would support the development of gas and oil from shale and geothermal energy by clarifying and streamlining the underground access regime. The Government is currently running a full consultation on this policy and the legislation is entirely dependent on the outcome of that consultation.

     Sir Ian Wood’s independent report estimates that full and rapid implementation will deliver at least 3-4 billion barrels of oil equivalent more than would otherwise be recovered over the next 20 years, bringing over £200 billion additional value to the UK economy. The Government accepted Wood’s recommendations in full in February 2014, and is introducing measures in this Bill to put the principle of Maximising Economic Recovery of petroleum in the UK into statute.

     The Government will also introduce a levy, making power so that the costs of funding a larger, better resourced regulator can be paid for by industry rather than by the taxpayer as is currently the case.

    New homes built to a zero carbon standard

     The Government is committed to implementing a zero carbon standard for new homes from 2016. But it is not always technically feasible or cost effective for house builders to mitigate all emissions on-site.

     The Government would set a minimum energy performance standard through the building regulations. The remainder of the zero carbon target can be met through cost effective off-site carbon abatement measures – known as ‘allowable solutions’. These provide an optional, cost-effective and flexible means for house builders to meet the zero carbon homes standard, as an alternative to increased on-site energy efficiency measures or renewable energy (such as solar panels). Small sites, which are most commonly developed by small scale house builders, will be exempt. The definition of a small site will be consulted on shortly, and set out in regulation.

     The Zero Carbon Home standard will be set at Level 5 of the Code for Sustainable Homes, but the legislation will allow developers to build to Level 4 as long as they offset through the allowable solutions scheme to achieve Code 5.

     Energy efficiency requirements for homes are set in the Building Regulations 2010 and are made under powers in the Building Act 1984. But there are insufficient powers in the Building Act to introduce off-site allowable solutions, so the Government will now bring forward enabling powers for this.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/317477/the-queens-speech-2014.pdf

  649. doug scorgie

    4 Jun, 2014 - 7:58 pm

    Jay
    4 Jun, 2014 – 12:30 pm

    http://www.channel4.com/news/china-ukraine-farmland-food-security-investment-overseas

    “Says it all.”

    What do you think it says Jay?

    It’s pure western bullshit.

    Read the report closely:

    “There are many reasons behind China’s overseas land grab,[not "land grab" in the Israeli sense] not least their own problem with food standards.

    With rapid urbanisation swallowing up large areas of their own arable resources, the constant drive to meet demand meant only one thing: quantity at the expense of quality.”

    “As standards slipped, the number of food scares proliferated, from adulterated milk to rivers contaminated by dead pigs.”

    Message: don’t buy Chinese food products.

    “Intensive farming practices have not helped either. With no time to lie fallow, domestic farmland is now exhausted from constant over-use.”

    Just what we do in the west.

  650. Good reasons not to privatise the Land Registry.

    ‘Leaked minutes suggest that some want to steam ahead with ‘privatisation’ before official decisions are taken.

    Three months ago in this space, I proposed abolishing the Whitehall department responsible for the wholly inadequate public consultation into the future of Land Registry. I now realise my proposal was too modest: I should also have invited the leaders of the body itself, specifically HM Land Registrar and chief executive Ed Lester and Mark Boyle, chairman, to consider their positions.

    I reach this conclusion after reading the minutes of an off-site meeting of the Land Registry board on 25 March – five days after the consultation on converting the bulk of the registry into a ‘service delivery company’. The minutes, leaked to the Guardian newspaper, show executives steaming ahead with the assumption not just that the service delivery company option – in effect privatisation – will happen, but that one of the three options proposed by the consultation is to be picked.

    /..

    http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/analysis/comment-and-opinion/land-registry-consultation-is-a-sham/5041127.article
    8 May 2014

    ~~~
    ‘The changes, which were the subject of two public consultations conducted earlier this year, are highly controversial.

    Among critics of the planned take-over of local land charge searches from local authorities is the Law Society, which said the change could lead to a worse service for conveyancers.

    According to the government, other measures in the bill will simplify the process for making changes to development consent orders (DCO) by speeding up non-material changes to an order, and allowing simplified processes for material changes.

    If passed the bill would allow certain types of planning conditions to be discharged upon application if a local planning authority has not notified the developer of their decision within a prescribed time period.’

    http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/land-registry-shake-up-to-go-ahead/5041501.article
    4 June 2014

  651. John Goss (at 4.12 pm) – Isn’t it strange how one poem signposts the way to another? Melodies and lyrics tumble over each other when someone strums a guitar and starts on a folk song/hymn. From your recalling Kipling’s “The Way Through the Woods” there are branches off in many directions, from Thomas the Rhymer / Pilgrim’s Progress to Robert Frost’s “road not taken”; or the trail through the trees to the ghastly clearings – pun intended – of Hardy’s “Throwing a Tree”
    http://www.hardysociety.org/resources/commentaries-on-poems-for-students
    and Charlotte Mew’s “The Trees are Down”
    http://www.poetryfoundation.org/learning/poem/182312

    This is not really – though it might appear so – a diversion from this website’s political themes. The devil claims to have the best tunes, but can the fallen angel really produce a neo-liberal songbook? or a Satanic anti-poetry anthology to match Neil Astley’s “Staying Alive”?

    On two earlier points, however, I beseech you – like Cromwell in his letter of 3 August 1650 to the Church of Scotland – that you may be mistaken. At 1.25 pm on 3 June you said that de la Mare’s “The Listeners” was good … “apart from the scansion”. I’d argue that the best English poets – Shakespeare, George Herbert, Christina Rossetti, Auden – keep rhyme and rhythm interesting by allowing natural speech patterns to take liberties with strict scansion and perfect rhymes. In this de la Mare poem, notice how the last lines bring each stanza back to order.

    How can I persuade you that – pace your 4 June 9.56 am post – Joyce is joyful? No-one expects to finish Finnegans Wake any more than to swim across the Pacific; but diving into these strange linguistic reefs is to have “a new planet” swim into ones ken. Why not try Joyce himself in 1929 on the Anna Livia Plurabelle passage:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grJC1yu4KRw ?
    or listen to
    http://www.geoffwilkins.net/fragments/Joyce.htm
    where Geoffrey Wilkins reads the same passage with the text on screen? That makes it easier to spot all the rivers and – much more important – to roll the words around your mouth like a baby learning to babble.

  652. May and Gove are at each other’s throat. Smoothface intervenes.

    Cameron steps into extremism row
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27706675

    I am sick of the sight and sound of the whole lot of them.

  653. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrarian_society

    Mary me to, we don’t seemed to have learned anything from previous generations of government.
    It’s like we are going backwards. Although how far would you want to go to find someone to emulate.
    They are going over basics that are simple ideals that are not even debatable.

    Child care and exploitation are basic requirements that go without question
    Basically society here needs a good kick up the arse and snapping into gear,
    Me included.

  654. @Jay @Mary: I just wish some(shouldn’t need too many) Lib MPs would develop a backbone, and withdraw their support for the Condem coalition. That would bring us a general election before next years business even starts to be debated. It could happen… the majority is 54, I think, which would mean just 27 swapping sides.

  655. “There are basically no Russian troops abroad while US troops are everywhere. There are US military bases everywhere around the world and they are always involved in the fates of other countries, even though they are thousands of kilometers away from US borders.”

    So said Vladimir Putin today. Some might argue where Russia’s “abroad” begins, but that’s essentially what planet earth looks like today. The globe is crawling with mostly-forced insertions (past and present) of US capital. It’s an infection that may well kill the host if these nutters insist on pressing ahead with a military confrontation with Russia and/or China.

    Within the current paradigm, the US has to dominate Eurasia if it is to stay as top dog. And that means first containing and then neutralising what it sees as the China/Russia threat.

    That’s got quite a big fucken risk attached to it.

    You know what? If I had to pick which leader would fire the first nuke, it wouldn’t be Vladimir Putin. Not with an out-of-control war economy that lied to kill a million Iraqis on the other side.

  656. Iain Orr I have heard Robert Frost’s The Road Not Taken mentioned three times in the last week. In e-mails received etc.

    So I have just read it again. So profound and enigmatic too.

    http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-road-not-taken/

  657. One of my own favourites is ‘Wolfwatching’ by Ted Hughes. Love ‘Church Going’ by Larkin too.

    ‘A serious house on serious earth it is.’ And the final few lines, heralding a return to a kind of ancestor worship. Beautifully controlled.

  658. No – modulated.

  659. Peacewisher
    I am glad your so optimistic,

    Peace.

  660. @Jay. I’m serious – that will be the only way they can save their seats… and with the coalition so unpopular, these MPs will be seen by the people as National Heroes! Perhaps they should throw in a bit of Euroscepticism into their personal general election campaigns, and they will surely be re-elected.

  661. Iain Orr, I grant you that Geoffrey Wilkins reads Joyce as well as anyone I could think of, and there is a certain lyrical flow to it. As to scansion, and the rights and wrongs of it, I have no prejudice. I once had a robust discussion with Roy Fisher on the merits of rhyme over blank verse. His belief is that searching for a rhyme dictates the poem and does not allow a poet to express true feelings. My belief is that those who know the craft can make their poems say exactly what they want and still maintain rhyme and metre. I agree pedantry is a cumbersome burden, but laziness, in a fast-moving world, is no excuse for slipshod work. As to Christina Rossetti I have to smile come Christmas and that beautiful first verse of “In the Bleak Mid Winter” fires up the imagination (where are the snows of yesteryear?) and the harmonies ring out.

    1.In the bleak midwinter, frosty wind made moan,
    earth stood hard as iron, water like a stone;
    snow had fallen, snow on snow, snow on snow,
    in the bleak midwinter, long ago.

    All right so far, but then you get verses two and three.

    2. Our God, heaven cannot hold him, nor earth sustain;
    heaven and earth shall flee away when he comes to reign.
    In the bleak midwinter a stable place sufficed
    the Lord God Almighty, Jesus Christ.

    3. Angels and archangels may have gathered there,
    cherubim and seraphim thronged the air;
    but his mother only, in her maiden bliss,
    worshiped the beloved with a kiss.

    And then a return to normality almost.

    4. What can I give him, poor as I am?
    If I were a shepherd, I would bring a lamb;
    if I were a Wise Man, I would do my part;
    yet what I can I give him: give my heart.

    And yes I am in agreement that one poem or poetical idea can breed others as did the Villon thought “Where are the snows of yesteryear.” It was Georgy Ivanov who led me to Villon. And so the cross-fertilisation goes on.

    In brief I have enjoyed the poetry interlude.

    Unfortunately there are soulless things happening on part of the globe. I would much rather be concentrating on art

  662. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    5 Jun, 2014 - 12:20 am

    http://chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2399-omidyar-and-the-oligarchs-code-enabling-extremism-monetizing-dissent.html

    “The chief aim of Omidyar’s new media venture, it seems to me, is to domesticate dissent. There is virtually no chance that First Look Media will challenge the essence or legitimacy of the actual ruling system: oligarch-corporate dominance backed by a militarist state. No doubt it will tear the bark off a few wild outgrowths here and there — which can be a useful exercise for keeping various factions within the Security State in line, or allowing them to “let off steam” by taking down their internal rivals a peg or two. Fear is not just for foreigners and the home folks out there; every system of domination employs fear against its own agents as well. And certainly there will be genuinely spontaneous revelations too, not just strategic leaks by inside players jockeying for position.

    But again, all this will take place in an arena controlled by one of the chief beneficiaries and big-time players in the system itself. It will take place in a domesticated setting. The powers that be will know that the system itself is not under threat. They will know that the only goal of any revelations will be “reform”— or sometimes not even reform, just “debate.” And “reform” and “debate” can always be managed by those who control the levers of power — and the media where the “debate” takes place. ”

    Infiltrate the dissenters. Ez pz.

  663. Putin answers Resident Dissidents lies that Russia had troops in Ukraine. I asked him for evidence of that statement and did not hear from him again. He asks the same question of Obama whose country has been spreading the lies that sucked in RD.

    http://rt.com/news/163676-putin-ukraine-french-us/

  664. BrianFujisan

    5 Jun, 2014 - 12:38 am

    Nice to see all the poetry weaving through a vibrant political Stage ( blog )

    John

    i would tend to agree with Roy Fisher… i often feel the poem sometimes has to write itself..be allowed the freedom … i attended for a while at the Greenock writers Club..they were vitually all of them adherents to for Rhyme it had to Rhyme…

    i don’t mind Rhyme…but sometimes a beautiful poem cant… Take Robert Hardy Books..Tess for example Poetry most of the Book just beautiful writing…

    Anyhoo.. since it’s on topic – o.t

    here is one of my own aboot the Highlands

    Mountain Pulse

    Soft Blues, and Heather hues

    Fade away, in rugged miles

    Where Highlands and Munros

    Graze a chill Sky

    The Mountains so High

    Dazzling peaks in wintry shroud

    Glazed by days of arctic wind

    and star splashed, open nights

    Just bellow the brilliant whites

    of lofty, frozen peaks

    Whispering, trickling Streams

    Then fast Rivers rush

    The silvery veins

    in a thick heather hide

    Surge down the hill, and over cliff walls

    Cascading, waters fall

    And rainbows rise, amid the spray

    Living colours, shimmer and heave

    A gentle pulse, as the mountains Breathe.

  665. BrianFujisan

    5 Jun, 2014 - 12:46 am

    Effin EDIT button Lol…

    A line got lost…has to be put right

    it should be -

    Then fast Rivers rush

    Crystal waters, tumble and gush

    The silvery veins

    in a thick heather hide

    Surge down the hill, and over cliff walls

  666. A Zen rhyme

    clap

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  668. Rich pickings for the PFI vultures. The offer their thanks to Messrs Blair, Brown and Milburn.

    Exclusive: How private firms make quick killing from PFI

    Companies earn hundreds of millions by selling on 25-year contracts for hospitals and schools awarded to them by the last government
    04 June 2014

    Private contractors have pocketed hundreds of millions of pounds of profits in the past four years by exploiting deals that were controversially awarded to them by the last Labour government.

    Companies that were awarded contracts to build and maintain state schools for 25 years have been doubling their money by “flipping”, or selling on, the Private Finance Initiative (PFIs) projects just four years after finishing them.

    /..

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exclusive-how-private-firms-make-quick-killing-from-pfi-9488351.html

  669. Brian thanks for your comment. I am not the law on how to write poetry but one of the things that dictates my own is making good use of figures of speech to make the thing sing or the harmony ring. Rhyme is one of the first items that comes into our lives with the bedtime nursery rhymes. It also acts as a mnemonic. So we learn the difference between thing, sing and ring and teach it to our offspring. I agree it can be overdone, and does not always achieve it’s intended purpose. Sometimes rhyme can simply be a bit of fun, an experiment in wordplay, and perhaps in that respect Roy Fisher is right. My criticism is, I suppose, as with art, that unless minimalism can be shown to have substance, which it can, it is no more than a skeleton on which to throw some flesh. So e. e. cummings is not for me, but I don’t doubt some get turned on by his work. Similarly I would have nothing by Damien Hirst because I think his work amounts to nothing.

    As to Thomas Hardy, I love his prose, not keen on his poetry, but he made another contribution as well as his great novels. Together with his father he was a collector of folk songs. Like you say “Tess” is a brilliant piece of writing but best of all “Jude the Obscure” which really shows the difference between the privileged classes and poor self-educated Jude who treks to Christminster (Oxford) only to be made fun of by the so-called academics. Disillusioned he treks back, lives in sin with his cousin Sue Farley. This was the book which the church banned. What a powerful piece of writing! But because it was banned Hardy turned to poetry. I don’t know why everyone waxes lyrical about The Darkling Thrush. To my mind his concentration on poetry was an opportunity cost against the world getting more great novels from his pen.

  670. Sorry Brian I got carried away and meant to mention that your own poem is a beautiful example of words conjuring images. Thanks.

  671. Abbott is handing over the search for the MH370 plane to a private company. You can’t beat a nice bit of privatisation it would appear.
    ‘Curiouser and curiouser’!

    Missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370: Now Australia outsources the daunting search for missing aircraft
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-now-australia-outsources-the-daunting-search-for-missing-aircraft-9488603.html

  672. More poetry please. It is doing something. There have, thank God, been no reports of death in Eastern Ukraine today, though numers of women and children have evacuated to a refugee camp in Russia because there is no water in the town.

  673. numers= numbers

  674. “A Zen rhyme

    clap”

    Velly funny!

  675. Yes Brian. Me also. Full of admiration for you, that poem, your photos, your outlook and your take on life.

    http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/hand-clapping-smiley-emoticon.gif

  676. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 8:46 am

    Ba’al, very witty. But not many lawyers come out of the profession with their morals intact.

    Which was almost certainly the point. ‘Iolanthe’ mocked contemporary mores and hierarchies. In context, the Chancellor is being conspicuously scrupulous in order to further his own unworthy ends. Still a familiar political strategy.

  677. NHS

    In addition to the letters in yesterday’s Guardian,
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/04/addressing-huge-challenges-facing-nhs

    there is this one.

    NHS risks ‘chaotic failure’ if parties do not come up with plan to save it
    Politicians must acknowledge crisis, health chiefs say
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-risks-chaotic-failure-if-parties-do-not-come-up-with-plan-to-save-it-9486920.html

    The NHS Confederation is meeting. Messrs Hunt, Lamb et al will speak today. There will be wringing of hands, more empty words and more empty promises but nothing will stop the planned dismantling of the NHS by the current cadre in power who meet with no political opposition. In fact, with a year in office remaining, the process will be speeded up.

    Jeremy Hunt speaks at the NHS Confederation conference: today in healthcare – live from Liverpool

    5 Jun 2014: Full coverage of the event, including keynote speeches from Jeremy Hunt, Norman Lamb and Andy Burnham
    http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2014/jun/05/jeremy-hunt-nhs-confederation-conference-today-in-healthcare-live

  678. I recommend Theodore Roethke’s wonderful poem In a Dark Time. It articulates the personal struggle with ego and fear which afflict us all. And isn’t it the effect of these twin ogres on society that is the substance of Craig’s posts and all the debate that goes on here?

    http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/172120

  679. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 9:04 am

    Not played up in the UK media…at all… here’s Prince Andrew celebrating his, and Mum’s family connections. Does the word ‘Hanover’ ring a tiny bell? The 300th anniversary of the Personal Union between Britain and Hanover, in fact. And you so nearly missed it.

    He also spent three days schmoozing Hanover’s business types, it’s only fair to add.

  680. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 9:12 am

    Dear Christ, Rose, that absolutely sucks. JB Morton did that kind of tosh so much better:

    Alone on the lawn
    The cabman dances
    In the dew of dawn
    he kicks and prances

    His bowler is set
    on his bullet head
    for his boots are wet
    and his aunt is dead

    There on the lawn
    As the light advances,
    On the tide of the dawn,
    The cabman dances.

    Swift and strong
    as a garden roller
    he dances along
    in his little bowler

    skimming the lawn
    with royal grace
    the dew of dawn
    on his great red face

    To fairy flutes
    as the light advances
    in square black boots
    the cabman dances

  681. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 9:13 am

    O, sorry. Link for Cumberland’s descendant here -

    http://www.stern.de/lifestyle/prinz-andrew-feiert-in-hannover-party-zu-ehren-der-queen-2115324.html

    I’m sure Nevermind will help you with the translation…

  682. This might interest you Brian.

    Why is Glasgow the UK’s sickest city?

    ‘Harry Burns, who until recently was the country’s chief medical officer, has his own theory. He raised a few eyebrows when he compared Glaswegians to Australia’s Aboriginal people. Yet he believes deindustrialisation in a city where tens of thousands once worked in the factories and the shipyards has deeply wounded local pride. As a result, people here have much in common with demoralised indigenous communities.

    “Being a welder in a shipyard was a cold and difficult and dangerous job,” he says. “But it gave you cultural identity in the same way as native peoples in Australia once had a very intense history and tradition.”

    He scoffs at the cliches about people suffering coronary attacks after eating those infamous deep fried Mars Bars. “No one is saying that Glaswegians are models of healthy behaviour but the evidence that we are where we are because we eat vast amounts of fat or smoke vast amounts of cigarettes just isn’t there. That’s not the explanation.”

    Instead he is convinced that the social and economic problems that Glasgow has experienced over the past few decades have come together in what he calls “a perfect storm of adversity”. Burns points to a succession of graphs which show Scots do not smoke more than other Europeans nor do they suffer more heart disease. In fact, under his stewardship, Scotland was the first part of Britain to ban smoking in public places.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27309446

    Why Glasgow should be under the BBC microscope is another question. Perhaps part of the Vote No Borders campaign? ‘Leave things as they are and we will improve matters’? I don’t know.

  683. John Goss @ 8:12 Idiot! Fool! “it’s intended purpose” should be of course “its intended purpose”. Stand in the corner!

  684. There is no need to be so dismissive of Rose’s personal choice, Ba’al. Each to his/her own.

  685. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 9:35 am

    I see Gove’s plans for the curriculum are not without justification, John.

    Meanwhile, Tony Blair, with his Africa Governance Initiative ™ scam charity, may be seen in London on the 8th. July. As fatcat Nigerians plead for more globalisation

  686. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 9:41 am

  687. thanks for the excellent poems, I felt as if Im sitting right there in the heather Brian.

    ‘Prince Andrew visited a ‘traditional’ birthday party in honour of the queen in Hannover. The occaision, attended by the great and good in Niedersachsen, was somewhat halted by a ‘strong rain storm’.

    So something positive happened there, ploants got watered to grow. Sorry, I’m not very royal at all.

  688. Look away Resident Dissident. Pretend it isn’t happening.

    https://twitter.com/ProfessorsBlogg/status/474452973540900864/photo/1

  689. Ba’al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer) 5 Jun, 2014 – 9:41 am

    But if that was the outcome of Bilderbergers’ item “The challenge of Africa” why did those who pull the strings not invite the puppet along?

  690. doug scorgie

    5 Jun, 2014 - 10:11 am

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    4 Jun, 2014 – 4:05 pm

    “…other circumstantial evidence pointing that way is your frequent statements on here that Israel has no right to exist…”

    You keep repeating the lie Habbabkuk but I will keep correcting you: Israel does not have the right to exist as a JEWISH state but as a state of ALL its people.

    “…you would be in the slightly curious position of being more concerned about the rights of a large number of now adult people than those people themselves…”

    It’s too late to help the adults Habbabkuk its todays and future children that need help.

  691. The stark reality of what has not been reported on any mainstream media channel is captured in this blog by Professor de Noli, a human rights’ activist living in Sweden, who was himself imprisoned under Pinochet’s dictatorship in Chile. WARNING: There are images in this blog which are not for the squeamish. No wonder Resident Dissident, who supports these murderers, has left the blog. All those labelled in the past as trolls have obviously been told to keep a low profile. The BBC, as ever, is disgusting.

    http://professorsblogg.com/2014/06/03/what-responsibility-does-sweden-have-in-the-massacres-of-civilians-perpetrated-by-ukraine-junta/

  692. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 10:18 am

    I wondered, too, John. He’s been to several, with or without Blair International ™ as a justification. And once, apparently, without being visible, except to one reporter:

    http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/coverups/sleazeblair.html

    “Mr. Christopher Gill MP: To ask the Prime Minister which members of his Government have attended meetings of the Bilderberg Group. [34298]

    The Prime Minister [holding answer 16 March 1998]: None. ”
    Might the PM have forgotten the trip? This reply is a lie. Blair attended the 1993 Bilderberg Conference.

    At the time of the visit he was Shadow Home Secretary – getting those contacts already. Bilderberg reporting restrictions are tight, and it didn’t come out until Rees-Mogg broke cover some time afterward.

    And he may have been there this year. He was certainly buzzing round Scandinavia near the date.

    Currently his usual transport is somewhere on a four-hour flying time arc from Heathrow. Landed 6.33 BST yesterday. But I don’t know where. Could put him in Ukraine, but I doubt it as he is gunfire-averse.

  693. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 10:24 am

    Whoops -

    Earlier I wondered why Blair was visiting Malmo. Should have looked at the map. It’s just an energetic spit away from Copenhagen. He was there.

  694. The fascisti are in action. A secret trial is set to take place.

    Secret trials: judges should be trusted to make right decisions, says Grayling
    Justice secretary’s comments come after it emerges that case involving two terror suspects is set to be heard in secret
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/05/secret-trials-judges-trusted-make-right-decisions-chris-grayling

    Lord Carlile was apparently defending it on Radio 4 Today earlier today.

    BBC Radio 4 Today @BBCr4today 3h

    A secret trial is “not justice”, and undermines fairness and public confidence – Shami Chakrabarti #r4today

  695. Mary this new law, the Justice and Security Act is the thin edge of the wedge. Private hearings and secret trials. Welcome to the world of Kafkaesque world of George Orwell. Sorry about that.

    Anybody have dealings with UK Mail? You phone them there is a recorded message and after a long wait it automatically hangs up on you. You send them an email you get an automatic response and that’s it. I put it down to private industry. It’s shit.

  696. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 12:14 pm

    For what it’s worth, if anyone has anything left to say about Blair, and as if everyone didn’t know already:

    https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/thepeoplesdocumentary

    ‘S been a while since I heard anything on The Killing of Tony Blair: any news?

  697. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 12:20 pm

    Where Blair probably isn’t – although physically could be -

    http://www.wafa.ps/english/index.php?action=detail&id=25409

    The Palestinian hunger-striking prisoners will feature as the top key-issue on the conference’s agenda among other issues, including the legal dimension of Palestinian prisoners issue, Israeli legislation that violate human rights conventions, as well as exploring mechanisms necessary to provide legal and humanitarian protection to prisoners.

    The conference comes as part of Palestinian attempts to internationalize the prisoners issue and appeal to the public opinion in Europe and all over the world to intervene to bring the Israeli actions, in violation of Geneva Accords, to an end.

  698. My local hospital is using UK Mail for their outgoing mail John. When I worked there was a lovely Geordie called Geoff in the Post Room. He sorted all the incoming mail in the mornings and delivered it round the hospital to each department with the internal mail. He knew all the faces and greeted us all with a smile and a friendly greeting.

    In the afternoons, he and another chap franked all the outgoing mail as it was delivered to the Post Room. If something was urgent or otherwise important, he would put it through with First Class postage. He was a lovely man and his hard and probably unsung and unrecognised work for the general good contributed to the feeling of working in a cohesive team. I expect that has disappeared.

    Sadly he has left. I met him and his wife in the town and he looked very ill.

    ~~

    You have to dig deep on this website to find the directors of UK Mail.
    https://www.ukmail.com/

    https://www.ukmail.com/investors/corporate-governance pp 27-35
    A Peter Kane is the chairman and there in the list is a Bill Cockburn who retired in Dec 2012. That name was familiar. He was the MD Royal Mail of course. A trougher.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/people/bill-cockburn

    Buswell, Kane and Glew are the three current directors.
    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00965783/UK-MAIL-LIMITED/directors-shareholders

    These are Kane’s seven other companies and 8 dissolved companies.

    ‘Peter Kane holds 7 appointments at 7 active companies, has resigned from 1 company and held 8 appointments at 8 dissolved companies. Peter began his first appointment at the age of 44 and his longest current appointment spans 23 years and 8 months at UK MAIL EXPRESS PARCELS AND MAIL LIMITED.

    The combined cash at bank value for all businesses where Peter holds a current appointment equals £28,200,000, with a combined assets value of £95,200,000 and liabilities of £77,700,000.’
    http://companycheck.co.uk/director/900681102

  699. The thing that gets me about the secret trials is Lib Dem complicity in the legislation. For all their bleating about liberty over the decades, they get a whiff of power so they trample on what is supposed to be at the core of liberalism.

    They deserve to be obliterated at next year’s election and I suspect they will be. From 2015 onwards it will be the wilderness years for them, for a long time, as no-one now believes a single word they say. The party may as well begin their next manifesto with “Once upon a time…”. It’ll be an incredible fairy story.

  700. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 12:39 pm

    Meanwhile, back at Tony’s domestic hearth, or one of them, it may be remebered that a couple of years ago, Cherie Blair joined entrepreneuse and loony rightwinger Gail Lese in setting up Mee Healthcare, a UK private health provider. This operates on a low-overhead basis renting space in Sainsburys’ stores. Originally planned to provide access to a private GP and other professional care, for a fee, it appears currently to be selling spectacles. Lese and Cherie set up the Allele Fund (registered, Cayman Is) to raise the necessary capital, which it has so far failed to do. Anyway, long story short -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Allele_Fund

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mee_Healthcare

    Tut bloody tut, Cherie.

  701. Mary, re UK mail, might just be my experience, or Birmingham. But when I checked with UK Mail and shit search it brought a few sites up with a lot of dissatisfaction.

  702. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 12:45 pm

    They deserve to be obliterated at next year’s election and I suspect they will be. From 2015 onwards it will be the wilderness years for them, for a long time, as no-one now believes a single word they say. The party may as well begin their next manifesto with “Once upon a time…”. It’ll be an incredible fairy story.

    In one sense, a shame, as they tended to have above-average constituency MP’s. That was what they were good at. The parliamentary party should have stood tactfully to one side, voted with principle, and watched the other two destroying each other. But…it’s that lust for power again. If anyone knows where Clegg is scheduled to be when he is burnt in a wicker cage by Southwestern voters, I’d love to come along, and will bring a bottle.

  703. Yes, BZ, Clegg is a dead man walking, although the other big hitters have to take some of the blame too. Guys like Charles Kennedy should spoken out more. Call him the party’s conscience. But his silence on this as on so much else is pretty damning.

    I’ll bring the sandwiches.

  704. Letters from a) Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Ahmed Kathrada South African politician and former political prisoner, Alexei Sayle Comedian, Alice Walker Author, Angela Davis Author and activist, Breyten Breytenbach Poet and painter, John Berger Author, Ken Loach Director, Michael Mansfield QC Barrister, Mike Leigh Director, Miriam Margolyes Actor, Noam Chomsky Philosopher and author, Paul Laverty Screenwriter, Professor Richard Falk Professor of international law, Roger Waters Musician, Saleh Bakri Actor

    and b)Jeremy Corbyn MP, Andy Slaughter MP, Grahame Morris MP, Richard Burden MP, Katy Clark MP, Chris Williamson MP, Alex Cunningham MP, John Denham MP, Caroline Lucas MP, Paul Blomfield MP, Crispin Blunt MP, Joan Ruddock MP, Mark Durkan MP, Roger Godsiff MP, Hugh Lanning Chair, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Geoffrey Bindman QC, Bruce Kent CND, Caryl Churchill Playwright, Victoria Brittain Journalist and author, Rev Canon Garth Hewitt Amos Trust, Professor Steven Rose, John Austin, Betty Hunter

    G4S must end its complicity in Israel’s abuse of child prisoners
    The Guardian, Wednesday 4 June 2014
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/04/g4s-complicity-israel-abuse-child-prisoners

    I would say that the actual imprisonment and abuse of the children must cease forthwith never mind bloody G4S.

  705. doug scorgie

    5 Jun, 2014 - 1:21 pm

  706. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 1:26 pm

    Chop his hands off and stone him to death, I say.

  707. doug scorgie

    5 Jun, 2014 - 1:51 pm

    A bit of history for our Zionist supporters:

    Zionist founder, Theodor Herzl, “the father of Israel” devoted so much time to his project that he neglected his wife and children. When he died at the age of 44 (probably from venereal disease) his family were left penniless.

    His daughter, Pauline, had emotional problems from an early age and died through drug addiction.

    Herzl’s son Hans had not been circumcised but the Zionist leaders, following Herzl’s death, saw to it that he was, at the age of 15.

    Hans converted to Christianity in 1924 and as a result he was abandoned by the Jewish community and publically denounced.

    He committed suicide following his sister’s death.

    The World Zionist Organization decided to bury Pauline and Hans in Bordeaux despite knowing of their wish to be buried beside their father in Austria.

  708. Now the British Ambassador to Sweden, of all people, is calling on his blog for Scotland to remain part of the UK.

  709. Perhaps BLiar will meet a camel with MERS up close on one of his ME jaunts. The camel will spit at him and that’s the end of Anthony Charles Lynton BLiar.

  710. So who’s in the grave where Pope Francis visited Doug?

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/popes-rabbi-friend-hails-significance-of-wreath-laying-at-herzls-grave/

    I see Obomber has been there too.

  711. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs1L4nVRWXM&feature=youtu.be

    Published on 1 Jun 2014

    Jon Faine, of Radio 774 ABC Melbourne, interviews and insults former Australia Liberal prime minister Malcolm Fraser, in the process of attempting to defend the indefensible, Israel.

    In his book, Dangerous Allies, Mr Fraser’s suggests that it is time for Australia to formulate its own foreign policy and not, in future — as Captain Kirk might have put it— To blindly go where its current allies seek to lead it (my phrase, not Mr Fraser’s).

    Faine is almost as rude and overbearing to this guest as he was towards Kevin Bracken, who was (at the time I made a video about his encounter with Faine), Victorian Branch Secretary of the Maritime Union and the President of the Victorian Trades Hall Council and was attempting to point out some of the many anomalies in the official 9/11 report, but was prevented from doing so by Faine’s obnoxious monologues.

    In this video, I show excerpts from the Kevin Bracken video, which was uploaded in October, 2010, as well as from Friends of Israel — Enemies Inside the Gates, from which Jon Faine appears to have learned nothing. He is a gatekeeper for Israel, and has no business being in front of a microphone in the studios of the publicly-funded Australian Broadcast Corporation.

    NOTES & LINKS
    A recoding of the radio broadcast of May 9th, 2014 featuring Jon Faine, Damien Kingsbury and Malcolm Fraser can be found here: http://tunein.com/topic/?TopicId=7312

    Aussie Trades Unionist Exposes 9/11 Cover up
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BziwlF

    Friends of Israel — Enemies Inside the Gates http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Untixe

    Jon Snow UK Television cuts the mike on an Israeli spokesman as they debate Gaza
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdpcbg

    ~~

    Advance Australia Fair.

    Regev is an Aussie too. He made aliyah to Israel and got the top job.

  712. So much for respect for the life of a child by the Catholics.

    Tuam children’s bodies: Catholic Church ‘has no records’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27710206

    ‘A Catholic archbishop in the Republic of Ireland has said the church has no records about the burial of nearly 800 children at a mother and baby home.

    The remains were in a concrete septic tank at the County Galway home. The children, aged between two days and nine years, died between 1925 and 1961.’

  713. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    5 Jun, 2014 - 3:12 pm

    For context see Tim Geithner’s new book explaining and justifying the grifter syndrome.

    http://pando.com/2014/06/04/just-as-we-predicted-indias-new-leader-is-about-to-make-pierre-omidyar-a-lot-richer/

    “Omidyar’s top India man also concurrently served as a director in a powerful BJP think tank, the India Foundation, chaired by Modi’s hardline National Security Advisor, Ajit Doval — “a giant among spies” according to the Hindustan Times. After stepping down from Omidyar Network in February of this year, Sinha worked full-time for Modi, the India Foundation, and for his own successful run as a BJP candidate for parliament.

    Another NGO that Omidyar invested in, the Institute for Policy Research Studies (IPRS), was accused of illegally trying to lobby India’s parliamentarians to vote for opening up India’s e-commerce market in late 2012. The IPRS nonprofit ran a program in which their staffers provided India MP staffers with “nonpartisan” research. In 2012, India’s intelligence bureau accused the IPRS of “compromising national security” and described it as “shrouded in mystery.”

    Omidyar Network had pledged $1 million to the IPRS, and the Ford Foundation pledged half a million more — but the Indian government rejected the IPRS’s application to register as a foreign-funded NGO, deeming it a threat to India’s parliamentary integrity, and its national security. Google’s corporate philanthropic arm, Google.org, had previously given $880,000 to the same NGO program, under Sheryl Sandberg’s watch.”

  714. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    5 Jun, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/06/03/us-marshals-seize-copies-of-local-cell-phone-tracking-records-requested-by-aclu/

    “The organization has already faced law enforcement agencies which behave like the CIA and refuse to acknowledge whether or not they even have public records related to Stingray surveillance used to track cell phones. But this is a clear escalation and shows the extent to which the federal government is willing to go to protect this new form of dragnet warrantless surveillance from public scrutiny.

    Nathan Freed Wessler, staff attorney for the ACLU, told Firedoglake the US Marshals Service sent someone to the Sarasota Police Department from an office in Tampa to seize physical copies of the records which had been requested. Marshals “spirited” them out “from under the noses of Florida residents who had a right to them under state public records law.”

    In his history of doing “public records work” Wessler had never witnessed the federal government do anything like this.”

    On April 5 Greenwald promised that in two months he would produce the files showing which private citizens the NSA spied on.

    This is June 5th. Waiting…………………………

  715. Rose’s recommendation (at 9.00am) of Roethke’s “In A Dark Time” has far more to commend it than Ba’al Zevul’s rapid (at 9.12 am) dismissal : “that absolutely sucks”. It’s not just Rose’s personal choice that – as Mary noted – deserves respect; but also her judgement. This poem has been widely admired for over 50 years by readers with the ability to suck the marrowfat of a poet grappling with the images and language to evoke and overcome depression and despair. Roethke was an important influence on both Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes: they met him at a party in London on 1 February 1961 –see
    http://sylviaplathinfo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/sylvia-plath-collections-theodore.html

    The poem also provided the title for a notable anthology by two psychologists who wanted to select writings showing humans as “savage warriors, as helpless victims, and as individuals who have the courage to say `No` to war” – Nicholas Humphrey and Robert Jay Lifton’s “In A Dark Time” (Faber, 1984). Two extracts from it that bear directly on issues central to Craig’s blog:

    “We are mad, not only individuals but nations also. We restrain manslaughter and individual murders; but what of war and the so-called glory of killing whole peoples? . . . Deeds of cruelty are done every day by command of the Senate and popular assembly, and servants of the state are ordered to do what is forbidden to the private citizen. The same deeds which would be punished by death if committed in secret are applauded when done openly by soldiers in uniform.” – Seneca, “Letters 95,” c. 63 AD.

    “Yossarian was cold, too, and shivering uncontrollably. He felt goose pimples clacking all over him as he gazed down despondently at the grim secret Snowden had spilled all over the messy floor. It was easy to read the message in his entrails. Man was matter, that was Snowden’s secret. Drop him out a window and he’ll fall. Set fire to him and he’ll burn. Bury him and he’ll rot, like other kinds of garbage. The spirit gone, man is garbage. That was Snowden’s secret. Ripeness was all.

    I’m cold,’ Snowden said. ‘I’m cold.” – Joseph Heller “Catch-22”, 1961

    Those wanting a fuller appreciation of Roethke than Ba’al Zevul’s can listen to him in the first link below and read an assessment of his place in American literature in the second

    http://bodyliterature.com/2013/10/04/friday-pick-theodore-roethkes-dark-time/
    http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/roethke/bio.htm

  716. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 3:58 pm

    Blair International LP:-

    G-CEYL has just flown from Baku to….er…somewhere 3/4 of an hour away. Well, that solves the problem of where it was a little while ago. It may have something to do with this:

    http://en.apa.az/xeber_uk_pm_representative_to_visit_azerbaijan_212182.html

    The UK Prime Minister’s Trade Envoy for Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, member of House of Commons at the parliament Charles Hendricks will visit Azerbaijan to attend the Caspian Oil and Gas Exhibition 2014.

    Within the visit, C. Hendricks is expected to meet with Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, as well as Minister of Youths and Sport Azad Rahimov, IT Minister Ali Abbasov, SOCAr President Rovnag Abdullayev and BP President Gordon Birrell.

    Hendricks will read letter of the Uk Prime Minister David Cameroon* at the opening of ceremony tomorrow.

    Hendricks also will also visit Gabala.

    *lol.

    Looks as if a Bombardier Global Express would manage Baku-Gabala in 3/4 hour to me.

    Now, what’s Hendricks doing in Tony’s plane? The implication is that the taxpayer is now adding to Tony’s various subsidies, if it’s on a rehire agreement. It also begs the question of why Hendricks isn’t flying crap class on a pensionable Russian transport, as it’s on my money and yours…or is Tony there too?

  717. Ba'al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer)

    5 Jun, 2014 - 4:05 pm

    “This poem has been widely admired for over 50 years by readers with the ability to suck the marrowfat of a poet grappling with the images and language to evoke and overcome depression and despair.”

    Oh, that’s what you’re meant to do with it, is it? Sorry, but I’m with Paxman on this one.

    Either cognitive therapy or lithium would perhaps enable him to write something to counter, rather than enhance, the horror of existence. This is the first and last time I read Roethke, now I know he was intentionally writing like a shut-in teenager. No apologies from me.

  718. Muslim Mary, do you even check what you cut and paste? Three of those four links you posted are dead. You also have to learn how to quote your sources clearly instead of passing off other’s work as your own work – it’s very misleading, as I’m sure you already know.

    And while Mark Regev might be an Australian in the most liberal interpretation, he is most definitely not an Aussie, thank-you-very-much.

  719. Iain That reply was appreciated by me and I trust by Rose if she returns.

    ~~~~

    Loving it.

    David Cameron’s house ‘fracked’ by protesters
    Greenpeace activists turn the Prime Minister’s country home in Oxfordshire into a ‘fracking site’ in protest at new pro-drilling laws
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/10874055/David-Camerons-house-fracked-by-protesters.html

    and

    http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/story/2014-06-04/greenpeace-stage-protest-at-david-camerons-home/

  720. ‘Not a Muslim Mary’ will have to tell her friend Anthony Lawson to fix his links. The links were printed under the You Tube, the content of which has not been commented by our correspondent from Down Under.

    Incidentally he does not seem to be able to sleep much as it is now 2.30am there?? Or perhaps he pretends to be in Oz?

  721. The links under Anthony Lawson’s video work perfectly fine if the correspondent in Australia had gone to the You Tube linked to and clicked on the links below. Here they are in full.

    Faine sounds deeply unpleasant.

    Israel’s Apologists: Jon Faine is at it Again
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs1L4nVRWXM&feature=youtu.be

    A recording of the radio broadcast of May 9th, 2014 featuring Jon Faine, Damien Kingsbury and Malcolm Fraser can be found here:
    http://tunein.com/topic/?TopicId=73128645

    Aussie Trades Unionist Exposes 9/11 Cover up
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BziwlFXPRPI

    Friends of Israel — Enemies Inside the Gates
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UntixeRiEK8

    Jon Snow UK Television cuts the mike on an Israeli spokesman as they debate Gaza
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdpcbgwjfEI

    AIPAC: The Voice of America — Part 2 The Treasonous Dollar Drain
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQE1Fe9nQeQ&feature=email

  722. Iain and Mary – thanks.

    Ba’al – no apology needed nor expected. I admit it was a bit early to be dishing that out – hope you didn’t choke on your cornflakes – I felt the splutter from here.

  723. doug scorgie

    5 Jun, 2014 - 6:05 pm

    Mary
    5 Jun, 2014 – 2:07 pm

    “So who’s in the grave where Pope Francis visited Doug?”

    In 1949, his remains were moved from Vienna to be reburied on the top of Mount Herzl in Jerusalem that carried his name.

  724. Resident Dissident

    5 Jun, 2014 - 9:10 pm

    @John Goss

    “Look away Resident Dissident. Pretend it isn’t happening.”

    You really are cretinous and proof of the adage that there is no fool like an old fool. When I have ever claimed that when there are violent conflicts that either side has a monopoly on bad behaviour – I’m afraid that is what happens in such situations. I could just as easily point to atrocities carried out the armed mercenaries and thugs of the puppet regime in Donetsk – but I’ll leave such one sided games to yourself and your other allies. The real issue is in understanding the forces behind the conflict – and the despite all your blaming everything on fascists perhaps we could have your analysis of what violence was occurring in eastern Ukraine before Putin allowed his little green men to move in.

  725. Ba’al Zevul (In The Bleak Midsummer) 5 Jun, 2014 – 12:14 pm

    ” ‘S been a while since I heard anything on The Killing of Tony Blair: any news?”

    ask and ye shall receive:

    “Project Update #10: It’s your chance to have YOUR say about Tony Blair on camera – this Saturday in London!
    Posted by George Galloway MP ♥ Like

    This Saturday the 7th of June, the documentary team will be filming a video to call for the war criminal Tony Blair to be sacked as the Middle East “Peace Envoy” in central London.

    This is an opportunity for YOU to have YOUR say about Mr Blair in a ‘piece to camera’: what you see as his worst crimes; why you think he was an inappropriate appointment as the Envoy; and why you think he should be removed.

    If you would like to join us please book a place on the slot that suits you on the event links below. Please make sure you sign up for the right one, and don’t forget to bring your ticket down on the day. You are more than welcome to stay and watch other people do their piece to camera. Light refreshments will be provided.

    Location: Leake Street Graffiti Tunnel, Leake Street, Lambeth, London SE1 7NN, England.

    Closest tube station: Waterloo

    Slot 1: 10am-12pm https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/the-killing-of-tony-blair-the-peoples-shoot-slot-10am-12pm-tickets-11827954731

    Slot 2: 12-2pm https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/the-killing-of-tony-blair-the-peoples-shoot-slot-12pm-2pm-tickets-11828030959

    Slot 3: 2-4pm https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/the-killing-of-tony-blair-the-peoples-shoot-slot-2pm-4pm-tickets-11827998863

  726. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    5 Jun, 2014 - 9:18 pm

    rd; I think the over-arching question is, do you see the flip-side of that same coin? I’m betting it’s willful ignorance.

  727. Resident Dissident and John Goss, rather than perpetually arguing, it would be far more productive and informative to collaborate on a Wiki-style Ukraine war map and timeline, with annotations about which groups were responsible for what, and links to evidence and analysis.

    What you’re both currently doing reads like some Monty Python sketch about two rival propagandists. it’s time for a big foot to come down out of the sky.

  728. Resident Dissident

    5 Jun, 2014 - 9:45 pm

    Ben & Clark

    I clearly see the overall responsibility for the conflict in Eastern Ukraine as lying with Putin and his wish for Ukraine to be his client state – that doesn’t mean that I immediately leap to view that those opposing Putin and Russia’s interference in Ukraine are not capable of committing unjustified acts of violence or not demonstrating respect for the rights of ethnic Russians within the Ukraine. John Goss is incapable of seeing that any Ukrainian viewpoint opposing his own, or any Russian viewpoint opposing that of Putin may be of validity.

    If you are interested in a balanced viewpoint as to what is going on in the Ukraine I would suggest the following:

    http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/HRMMUReport15May2014.pdf

  729. Muslim Mary, the content of the video pointed to by your first link @June 5 2.24p is a criticism of Jon Faine, an ABC radio ‘journalist’ and overt supporter/apologist for Israel but then goes on to become a 9/11 conspiracy theory of the ‘Israel did it with US acquiescence or tacit approval’ variety. Altogether unconvincing as most of these theories are, and a distraction from genuine inquiries into actual US misfeasance, incompetence, corruption and coverups etc.

    You didn’t elaborate on your support for your “friend’s” 9/11 conspiracy theory, Muslim Mary. Could you give us all some further insight into this clever version of events?

    Incidentally, where I post from and at what time is not relevant to anyone but the most paranoid of troublemakers who wish to imply sinister connections but have no evidence of such. In fact, that’s probably the defining personality of your average conspiracy theory nutter.

    Salam

  730. I repeat to the cloth eared Aussie. I am not a Muslim.

  731. Ba'al Zevul (Sure 'Nuff 'n Yes I do)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 8:44 am

    …I felt the splutter from here.

    Rose, that was probably the most graceful response (well, ok, not that bit) I have had on this blog. Thank you.

  732. Ba'al Zevul (Sure 'Nuff 'n Yes I do)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 10:04 am

    Further to 05/06, 3.58 pm

    The report got the name wrong (of the Prime Minister’s Trade Envoy for Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan ), and I unthinkingly reproduced it. He is Charles Hendry, not Hendricks, Tory MP for Wealden. After his spell as energy minister his fingers remain firmly jammed in the energy pie:

    Charles Hendry, who worked in David Cameron’s administration until 2012, is being paid £60,000 a year as a “consultant” to Vitol, a massive oil trader which has a long-term supply contract with Rosneft, the Russian state-owned energy giant.

    The job will earn the MP for Wealdon almost as much as his parliamentary salary despite taking him just one-and-a-half days a month.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/former-tory-minister-charles-hendry-to-be-consultant-to-russialinked-oil-firm-9187968.html

    Slightly more acceptably, but probably mopping up government subsidies -
    http://www.forewind.co.uk/news/64/34/Charles-Hendry-appointed-as-chairman.html

    His views on fracking are equivocal – which is probably wise given that Wealden covers a potential shale gas field

  733. doug scorgie

    6 Jun, 2014 - 10:40 am

    Resident Dissident
    5 Jun, 2014 – 9:45 pm

    “I clearly see the overall responsibility for the conflict in Eastern Ukraine as lying with Putin and his wish for Ukraine to be his client state…”

    What evidence do you have for that ResDis?

    “…that doesn’t mean that I immediately leap to view that those opposing Putin and Russia’s interference in Ukraine are not capable of committing unjustified acts of violence…”

    Russia’s interference in Ukraine ResDis?

    So you didn’t see the EU and US interference in Ukraine before the crisis unfolded?

    The Ukraine military have been bombing unarmed civilians, is that not a war crime?

    You are wilfully blind ResDis.

  734. President Putin plays a blinder. Agent Cameron and Obomber will not like it one bit.

    Russia never annexed Crimea, no plans to intervene in Ukraine, it’s a Western delusion – Putin

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_05/Russia-never-annexed-Crimea-no-plans-to-intervene-Ukraine-its-Western-delusion-Putin-5970/

  735. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jun, 2014 - 4:21 pm

    RD; The UN recommends an immediate and transparent investigation into the calamity in Odessa. (pg 4 item iv)

    Can you think why Kyev has not already done so? Perhaps such findings would be untoward.

  736. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 8:45 pm

    “What evidence do you have for that ResDis?”

    The lack of evidence with regard to violence in Eastern Ukraine before the little green men started to arrive. I did ask if there was any – and none has been forthcoming and you employ your usual diversionary tactics.

    “Russia’s interference in Ukraine ResDis?”

    And I’m the one being accused of being wilfully blind!

  737. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 8:54 pm

    Can you think why Kyev has not already done so? Perhaps such findings would be untoward.

    wrong http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/05/08/ukraine-investigate-odessa-deaths

    Remember Mr Goss going on about how the Ukrainian Govt wasn’t having an enquiry into the EuroMaidan shootings before the enquiry reported.

    Of course in la-la land enquiries are only legitimate once they have reported and supported your prejudice.

  738. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jun, 2014 - 9:59 pm

    RD; HRW suggested Kyev should investigate, and followed up with this letter today.

    “I am writing to raise issues relating to the conduct of military operations in southeastern Ukraine in light of the growing number of credible reports regarding Ukrainian forces’ use of mortars and other weapons in and around populated areas, and the recent intensifying of hostilities between Ukrainian forces and armed insurgent groups‎. While we have not been in a position to investigate the most recent hostilities or many of the incidents reported in the press in the past week, our researchers did investigate two apparent mortar attacks in residential areas while on a field mission in Donetsk region between May 19 and May 26″

    ‘Both sides do it” but could not confirm outgoing mortars, only direct hits on structures fired by Ukrainian forces; (yeah a couple of witnesses stated insurgents had mortars, but use of same was not evidenced). HRW had a tether on objectivity for the sake of objectivity, I think.

    I think you should agree that Kyev has the advantage of overwhelming force and weaponry. There has been no investigation by Kyev, to my knowledge and that was my question to you.

    If they thought they had proof of their innocence they would be heralding from the rooftops, no?

  739. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 10:43 pm

    Ben

    Your statement was about Odessa you have twisted it in to something else.

    Re Eastern Ukraine – doesn’t the number of helicopters shot down by the armed insurgents suggest that someone is supplying them with pretty sophisticated weapons – and of course lets not mention all the human rights abuses that they are carrying out (see the UN report). I don’t support anyone firing at civilians on either side – but I’m afraid that is what happens in armed conflicts – the better questions to ask is who is responsible for starting the armed conflict where there was none before and how can it be stopped.

  740. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jun, 2014 - 10:55 pm

    RD; I referenced your source. Have I done something wrong? Please answer the salient question, repeated above.

  741. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jun, 2014 - 11:13 pm

    The even-handed Barack Hussein Obama.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/05/politics/obama-europe/

    “Putin “has a chance to get back into a lane of international law,” Obama said.
    But for this to happen, he said, Putin must take steps over the coming weeks that include recognizing Ukraine’s new President-elect Petro Poroshenko, stopping the flow of weapons over the border into Ukraine and ceasing Russian support for pro-Russia separatists in Ukraine”

    Libya, Iran and Syria notwithstanding.

  742. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 11:21 pm

    Ben

    You said there was no investigation of Odessa – there is and you should wait for the conclusion. As to the other events in Eastern Ukraine I don’t think HRW has asked for an investigation and it is pretty clear that the Ukrainian army is using mortars – whether it was firing at purely civilian targets or insurgents near to such targets is something that will probably never be known. Given that the restraint shown by the Ukrainian government for many weeks against the insurgents – while said insurgents were hardly showing similar restraint (I must have missed you condemnation of their torture and intimidation and shooting down of helicopters with SAM missiles), I do tend to believe that the Ukranian government is not hell bent on blood lust against local civilians in Eastern Ukraine – though as is always the case their ability to control everyone under their command may have limits. Just as we are justifiably proud today of our troops who helped liberate Europe it doesn’t mean that all of those involved were angels at all times.

  743. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 11:24 pm

    “But for this to happen, he said, Putin must take steps over the coming weeks that include recognizing Ukraine’s new President-elect Petro Poroshenko, stopping the flow of weapons over the border into Ukraine and ceasing Russian support for pro-Russia separatists in Ukraine”

    But why is this not right, regardless of what happened elsewhere?

  744. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jun, 2014 - 11:25 pm

    ” there is and you should wait for the conclusion.” I think the story related that the prosecutor’s investigation began in early May. When did HRW begin and conclude? I think you should be skeptical about the scope and arrival time of the report.

  745. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jun, 2014 - 11:28 pm

    ““But for this to happen, he said, Putin must take steps over the coming weeks that include recognizing Ukraine’s new President-elect Petro Poroshenko, stopping the flow of weapons over the border into Ukraine and ceasing Russian support for pro-Russia separatists in Ukraine”

    Why do I find this objectionable? Maybe because it is tipped against Russia and lacking the the commensurate warning to the offical government and cronies.

    How is it you don’t see that?

  746. BrianFujisan

    7 Jun, 2014 - 1:45 am

    Thanks to the Folks commenting on my Poem…Very Uplifting words… Thank you… Mary what a chuckle the wee Clapping face gave me… :)

    yes John…i have always been of the same thoughts as yourself – that Thomas Hardy Prose is better Poetry than his poems… thanks for that info…On T.H…some of that i didn’t know – the repercussions from “Jude the Obscure” being banned ect.

    Mary

    Sorry bit late getting back to you Re Glasgow.

    To be Honest i’m not sure whats been going on…Interesting for sure though…. especially a possible link to epigenetics –

    BUT i fear it’s not just Glasgow in Scotland… right here in my area Inverclyde these matters are close…

    about 10 months ago three of our Jui jitsu boys lost two friends from their circle, Days apart to suicide.

    Unemployment, may very well be a big factor…. And cut throat Policies by the likes of Amazon ( factory in Gourock ) … they take on young and old for very short periods when orders are high ect.. and for as little as only two weeks at xmas… then people are shoved out on their ear again… Recently 500 youngsters applied for only a handful of apprenticeships in one of only two yards left on the Clyde – At Ferguson’s of Port Glasgow.

    And yet the Gyms, swimming pools, football pitches, Dojo’s are all vibrant places… As are Also, the Greenock, and Gourock night life…all a bit perplexing… My Daughter has a degree in Social Science.. maybe she can shed some light on some of this for us.

    You got me thinking a little more on this Mary and i looked some things up

    there is a possible counter Argument for the Glasgow situation…that being – the end of the Shipyards and Factories was not the problem for Glasgow…but the start of these industries was the Problem

    Glasgow Author Carol Craig says to understand Glasgow’s early deaths you should look not to the end of the shipyards and factories but instead to their beginning

    In the early 18th Century, Glasgow was described by the author Daniel Defoe as “the cleanest and beautifullest and best built city in Britain”. But when the Industrial Revolution drew thousands of people from Ireland, the Lowlands and Highlands, the population exploded and for many it became a living hell.

    In the early 18th Century, Glasgow was described by the author Daniel Defoe as “the cleanest and beautifullest and best built city in Britain”. But when the Industrial Revolution drew thousands of people from Ireland, the Lowlands and Highlands, the population exploded and for many it became a living hell.

    “I was so struck by the very nasty and aggressive relationship between men and women historically in Glasgow,” Craig says. “And that was partly as a result of the terrible overcrowding – it was worse than England. Having a front room or parlour was practically unheard of.”

    She explains that in 1891 the London County Council defined overcrowding in terms of two or more person in a room. In the metropolis one third fell below this standard but in Glasgow two thirds – or twice London’s number – of residents lived in overcrowded accommodation.

    Enforced proximity, she argues, forced men out of their homes and into the pub. “It was a kind of survival mechanism,” she says. “In the old Glasgow on a Friday when men got paid, you would see women queuing outside workplaces and pubs to retrieve any of the money. This was very much a city where men suited themselves.”

    In her 2010 book, The Tears That Made the Clyde, Craig suggests that rapid industrialisation in Glasgow produced a toxic masculinity which destroyed family life.

    According to the Glasgow and Clyde Health Board, in just two years almost half of all homes in the city will be single-adult households.

    “There is a failure of personal relationships in Glasgow that no one is facing up to,” says Craig. “This is significant because what is the single most important thing for men’s health? It’s being married – it can account for as much as seven years of life expectancy. So if we want to find out why health in Glasgow is so poor I think one of the things that we should ask about is relationships.”

    Burns agrees that relationships are key. He talks about the need to build “social capital” so individuals can offer each other friendship and mutual support. He is also heavily influenced by the Israeli-American sociologist Aaron Antonovsky, who coined the term “salutogenesis” to describe an approach which focuses on a positive view of wellbeing rather than a negative view of disease…

    And Re epigenetics -

    What’s certain is that there are no easy answers. Even in the better off neighbourhoods, mortality rates are 15% higher than in similar districts of other big cities. Burns is perplexed by this but suggests hidden influences upon the genes could be responsible.

    “A lot of those middle-class people will have been very poor somewhere in their family tree,” he says. “And this takes us into the field of epigenetics – the business of genes being switched on or off depending on the environment you were brought up in. There is an epigenetic impact of the diet that your parents or grandparents were exposed to. Now we can easily find scientific explanations for this – we just haven’t proved it yet.”

    During his lectures, Burns has a favourite slide which shows the molecular biology of a hug. “When you hug a baby you make them happy,” he says. “Happiness is associated with the production of neurotransmitters in the brain. One of these neurotransmitters has an effect on a particular gene which activates the production of a protein that allows the brain to suppress the stress response. Failure to nurture a baby – failure to do something as simple as hug a child – interferes with that process.”

    Burns believes in early intervention and there are many organisations now devoted to this. Lickety Spit, a pioneering theatre company, creates plays for three and four-year-olds in the most deprived parts of Scotland. It fires children’s imaginations but even more crucially perhaps it encourages parents to get down on their hands and knees and bond with their offspring.

    A BIG complex one Mary

    Anyhoo… a good weekend to you…Oh and not forgetting a wee Hug

  747. BrianFujisan

    7 Jun, 2014 - 1:57 am

    Fuck…

    Sorry for double paste job

    HWR have been up to the usual nasty tricks all week Ben… Disgraceful Propaganda and Biased utterings on Fbook all week… and i’ve been fighting with them all week too.

  748. Thank you very much for that Brian. You put a lot of effort in there and it was illuminating. I totally agree about the genetic inheritance part and also about the nurturing of children. Who knows what the upbringing was like of a psychopath such as Blair. Something went wrong along the way.

    PS My father was brought up in Limerick and he told us of the women standing outside the pubs at night trying to get the men home before they spent all their wages and the barefooted children in the streets. That was in the 20s. Same here in the East End of London and other cities I assume. My mother was one of three born in Highgate. The father deserted her mother and the three children were farmed out to relatives when her mother died at a very young age. Although a young orphan brought up by grandparents and a hard childhood by her account, my mother could not have been more loving and caring for the four of us, so that must have been in her genes.

    Your family has been lucky to have you as their father. You can feel the love.

    Did you mean Human Rights Watch btw? Mr Roth has much accounting to do for his lies and distortions.

  749. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 9:14 am

    “I think you should be skeptical about the scope and arrival time of the report.”

    By all means – but that is not the same as prejudging (which is of course the source of the word prejudice) it as you have done.

    “Maybe because it is tipped against Russia” If anything it is tipped against Putin – you are making the very big mistake of assuming the two are the same. Most ordinary Russians would not dream of being a mercenary in the Ukraine.

  750. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    “y all means – but that is not the same as prejudging” What makes you think an investigation is under way? I gladly stipulated that their PR people have announced, but I’m also skeptical they, or any government is eager to discover first, by evidence, that they behave with no regard for human rights, then announce that fact publicly. It’s a bridge far, too far.

  751. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 10:40 pm

    What makes you think an investigation is under way?

    Because people said the same about the Maidan shootings and the Ukraine Govt produced a detailed and documented investigation. The investigation is also a judicial investigation and if you had studied matters a little closer you would have noticed that the Ukrainian Govt have taken a number of important steps to separate the judiciary from government – something that the previous regime did not do, and is also of course something of a problem in Russia which inherited Soviet system. Strangely enough fascists are not usually known for undertaking such a separation.