Freedom Cheaper than Iraq War

by craig on May 26, 2014 5:03 pm in Uncategorized

A particularly mendacious lie by Danny Alexander puts the institutional start-up costs of Scottish Independence at £1.5 billion.  That is a cool half billion pounds cheaper than Scotland’s share of the costs of the Iraq and Afghan wars, even on the Westminster government’s blatant under-estimate of the war costs.

So Scotland can afford criminal invasions killing hundreds of thousands to ‘bring freedom’, but cannot afford the smaller cost of its own freedom!!!

The £1.5 billion estimate is mendacious in two ways.  Firstly, it is a simple recycling of a Canadian lie at the time of the Quebec independence referendum, apportioning with no argument 1% of GDP to startup costs.

Secondly, as nearly all the money will be spent in Scotland it is not a loss at all, but actually an increase to GDP, as any but the most nutty neo-con would be forced to acknowledge.  And it would be the precursor of government money spent annually in Scotland rather than England for ever thereafter.

Thankfully Alexander won’t have a job much longer – and if he thinks a penny of Scottish public spending is going in future to support his huge arse and deceitful mouth, he is very wrong.

 

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  1. This is Julie Levesque who works at Global Research with Prof Chossudovsky,

    She has been on a Free Gaza voyage.

    Julie Lévesque is a journalist and researcher with the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), Montréal. She was among the first independent journalists to visit Haiti in the wake of the January 2010 earthquake. In 2011, she was aboard the ‘Spirit of Rachel Corrie,’ the only humanitarian vessel to breach Gaza’s territorial waters before being shot at by the Israeli Navy. http://www.globalresearch.ca/

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jun, 2014 - 12:28 pm

    Mary, with reference to Habbabkuk:

    “I see the toddling troll got his places bottom and top of the pages. Totally puerile.”

    __________________

    And who got in at the bottom of page 2 and the very top of page 3?

    But without attracting a comment from anyone :)

  3. Charge Blair with contempt of Parliament – only then will we know if he lied over Iraq: An explosive proposal from former foreign secretary DAVID OWEN as crucial evidence from Chilcot Inquiry is censored

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2645051/Charge-Blair-contempt-Parliament-know-lied-Iraq-An-explosive-proposal-former-foreign-secretary-DAVID-OWEN-crucial-evidence-Chilcot-Inquiry-censored.html

    Excuse the link ;) – the story is worth it.

  4. Peacewisher

    1 Jun, 2014 - 1:53 pm

    Thanks, Nevermind. But I do have concerns for the world, or even country, that our grandchildren will be growing up in.

    One thing we can ALL do is get the Chilcot Inquiry properly concluded with all the evidence on show. Even a BBC Any Questions audience seemed to be almost overwhelmingly in favour of this. I know Hutton managed to get Blair & Co. off the hook regarding David Kelly, but I don’t think there will be one person writing the conclusions this time…

  5. Ben wrote:

    Squonk blog down. Hope AA isn’t down permanently.

    1st of Month bug since I updated some software to latest version. If you recall it also happened on the 1st May and will probably happen again on 1st July unless I figure out why the monthly housekeeping process thinks it needs to regenerate the web server configuration files – which wouldn’t be a problem if mine weren’t manually edited.

  6. Oh dear, I’m not a techie Squonk. Can you not rid yourselfs of the 1st of every month and then re-date on the 5th.back to the original date? would such hellish Baldrickery work?

  7. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jun, 2014 - 2:20 pm

    Gotta hand it to the old girl…!

    Out of 405 comments so far on this thread, one female commenter (no names, no pack drill, eh!) has accounted for 78 – in other words, one person has been responsible for just under one fifth of all comments.

    Thread’s been going for about 5 days, so that makes about 15 comments per day, spread throughout the day.

    ____________

    Even two other regular commenters (one with a devil’s handle and the other whose initials are JG) appear to be slacking by contrast, and Herbie, Mr Scorgie and Mike are simply nowhere. Buck up, lads!

  8. Nevermind,

    The sticking plaster fix would be for me just to add an extra routine to run on the 1st of the Month after the housekeeping task finishes and have it copy over my manually edited file over the top of the freshly generated one. Before I do that though I’d rather find the reason for the regeneration in the first place – if I can’t then I’ll have the alternative “fix” in place in time for July.

    Annoyingly the server is actually down again due to a hardware problem at the hosting site. They are currently working on the problem.

  9. I’ve just managed to reach Squonk via http://squonk.no-ip.biz/blog/
    Very slow, though. I’ll try to post a comment…

  10. Uh, no, the version at http://squonk.no-ip.biz/blog/ is still on April 23… The connection timed out before the whole page loaded.

  11. I don’t suppose BLiar has sufficient peace of mind to enable him to sit with friends and family and enjoy their company in a garden he has created as I did in my garden this afternoon. I count myself very fortunate.

    He must always be looking for angles.

    May 30, 2014 9:02 pm

    Tony Blair seeks ‘pro-European role’ to fight rise of populism
    By Jim Pickard, Kiran Stacey and Alex Barker in Brussels

    Former prime minister Tony Blair©Reuters (photo)

    Tony Blair is looking for a prominent pan-European role in the fight against euroscepticism as he seeks to re-engage with the British political debate.

    The former UK prime minister offered his services in a “pro-European role” during a meeting with Angela Merkel, the German chancellor on Tuesday, according to people familiar with the matter, just hours after the result of elections which saw a rise of anti-EU parties across the continent.

    Earlier this week his office said it saw him acting as an unpaid advocate of the benefits of the EU but also of the need for it to reform itself. “He’s very interested in playing a pro-European role, which is why he has been out talking about the arguments for it,” an aide said.

    /..
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/930a2480-e750-11e3-8b4e-00144feabdc0.html

    The comments are pretty scathing. Does he know or does he even care how much he is disliked? Probably not. A psychopath.

  12. Crooks and murderers.

    More Than 900 Workers Have Already Died Building Qatar’s World Cup Infrastructure

    The International Trade Union Confederation says that if conditions don’t improve, at least 4,000 migrants will die before kick-off
    By Rose Eveleth March 13, 2014
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/smart-news/over-900-workers-have-already-died-building-qatars-world-cup-facilities-180950088/

    Qatar Committee Rejects World Cup Bribe Claims
    Fifa is under increasing pressure to re-run the vote on who should host the 2022 World Cup after new allegations of corruption.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1273200/qatar-committee-rejects-world-cup-bribe-claims

    Blatter and the lot of them to that cold dark island that is awaiting BLiar.

  13. Excoriating stuff from Paul Flynn on Chilcot. How about the worm called Peter Jay? (remember him – the smoothie ex son in law of Callaghan)

    http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2014/05/peter-jay-and-the-chilcot-shits.html

    Other posts there too, inc one on Rory Stewart whom he supports as the new chair of the Defence committee and one on the Scottish referendum.

  14. Obomber will not appreciate this. No gratitude! Nor will McCain.

    Bowe Bergdahl’s Father on Twitter: “I Am Working to Free All Guantanamo Prisoners… ameen”

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, June 1, 2014, 9:02 AM

    Former Taliban POW Bowe Bergdahl’s father posted a disturbing tweet following the release of his son yesterday by the Taliban.

    Robert Bergdahl tweeted:

    “I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child, ameen!”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/bowe-bergdahls-father-on-twitter-i-am-working-for-release-of-all-gitmo-prisoners/

  15. Clark,

    The alternative DNS address currently points back to the old Amazon server with an old copy of the database. I’d decided that if the new squonk server was down for more than 4 hours I’d restore the latest backup to the Amazon server and point squonk.tk back there. I was just about to start the process when the VPS fortuitously came back online.

  16. doug scorgie

    1 Jun, 2014 - 8:09 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    1 Jun, 2014 – 2:20 pm

    “Out of 405 comments so far on this thread, one female commenter (no names, no pack drill, eh!) has accounted for 78 – in other words, one person has been responsible for just under one fifth of all comments.”

    So what Habbabkuk?

    Mary’s posts are interesting and politically relevant.

    Whereas yours are mere slimy ejaculate from a useless tosser.

  17. Wonder if he has a few counters missing on his abacus! Since he made his pointless comment, I have added another 4. Including those, I have contributed 19.9% of the posts here which I hope have been mostly informative.

    He, the RI, on the other hand has made 56 contributions, ie 13.4% most of which are inane and insulting.

    But who’s counting?

  18. Bilderberg

    RT gives us the real agenda.
    Bilderberg actually talks nukes, euro nationalism and… Barack Obama – leak
    http://rt.com/news/162740-bilderberg-meeting-leak-agenda/

    The Guardian version
    Bilderberg on Ukraine: military chiefs, arms bosses and billionaire speculators
    A gathering of those who stand to make a killing out of knowing where and when the bombs might fall, how many and on whom
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/31/bilderberg-ukraine-summit

    Balls was late and lost his pass!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/30/ed-balls-bilderberg-video_n_5416543.html

  19. BrianFujisan

    1 Jun, 2014 - 9:53 pm

    Nevermind Congratulations… hope all is well… And cheers for photos comment over At Sqounk… the image you liked was about 6 feet high… there is another of that one with the Live Katana on it…
    Peacewisher congrats to you too…

    Busy with everyone’s petitions…

    Cheers Mary..38 degrees is at 161,740 signatures

    Peacewisher… No Nato Military exercises in Ukraine at 4,096 Eh ????

    Doug… Meriam Yehya Ibrahim…at 735,906…

    Cheers folks

    now to Bliar, bush n Chillcot

    i see Peace wisher was ahead of the game on this one

    Chilcot’s comic opera hiding Bush-Blair lies distracts us from looming disaster in Syria

    British and American policy has been to pretend that we support the “moderate” military opposition, but this no longer exists inside Syria. The anti-Assad rebels are overwhelmingly dominated by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis), formerly al-Qa’ida in Iraq, Jabhat al-Nusra, the official representative of what the Americans call al-Qa’ida central, and some other jihadi groups. Only one Syrian provincial city out of 14 has fallen to the opposition. This is Raqqa in the east of country, which is today held by Isis, who recently crucified some of their opponents in the main square.

    Obama sees the problem, but his prescription of what to do is only going to exacerbate it. He will avoid direct US military action, but will outsource support for the rebels – now too toxic for the US to arm directly – to countries such as Turkey, across whose 510-mile-long border with Syria extreme jihadis pass without hindrance. The situation is not without precedent: after the overthrow in Cambodia of the Khmer Rouge, the murderers of more than a million of their own people, by the Vietnamese army in 1979, the US, China and Britain backed Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge leader, and recognised his government as Cambodia’s true representative at the UN. It was subsequently revealed that the British covertly gave military training to armed groups associated with the Khmer Rouge.

    The jihadi insurgent movements in Syria are the Islamic version of the Khmer Rouge who, like their Cambodian predecessors, dominate the rebel-held enclaves. Moreover, Isis has seized much of western Iraq right up to the western outskirts of Baghdad. Iraqi security forces are capturing sophisticated weapons from Isis originally supplied by US and British allies to supposed moderate rebels in Syria.

    The potential for disaster in Syria in 2014 is, in many ways, greater than in Iraq in 2003. In this growing crisis, the Chilcot inquiry comic opera is playing a small but ignoble role.

    Full piece @

    http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/the-comic-opera-hiding-the-bush-blair-iraq-secrets-distracts-us-from-the-looming-disaster-in-syria#.U4uFONJdWqg

  20. Agree with 99% of this post but Danny Alexander’s “huge arse” is confusing me. Is his arse that huge? When have you seen it Craig? I haven’t and have no wish to, but i’m guessing its probably no bigger than yours (or mine), though i am pretty fat these days.

  21. @Brian: Thank you re grandparenting. The most interesting thing for me that came out of the Chilcot interviews was Tony Blair explaining that perception was all that mattered (he meant in relation to post-911, but probably also just about every big issue).

    He said that without any irony in his voice, as if perception just emerges, as if by a force of nature. However, we all know where that perception really comes from… the media. There can never be a true democracy unless there is an independent media (I think this was in one of the sections of the UN Charter on Human Rights).

  22. BrianFujisan

    1 Jun, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    Peacewisher

    i think you may be refering to ( Article’s 17, 18, and 19 ) in this section –

    The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) was adopted by UNGA Resolution 2200 A (XXI) of 16 December 1966. It entered into force 23 March 1976. As of March 2010, 165 states were party to the Covenant and a further nine signatories were pending ratification.

    Part I of the Covenant contains only one article, Article 1, the right to self-determination, which is identical to Article 1 ICESCR. Part II of the Covenant contains Articles 2 to 5, which refer to the nature of obligations, the territorial and personal scope of the Covenant and the principle of non-discrimination (Article 2) which is complemented by Article 3, guaranteeing the equality between men and women in the enjoyment of the Covenant rights. Article 4 allows states to take measures derogating from their obligations under the Covenant and Article 5 establishes a prohibition of abuse of rights (Article 5(1)) and a saving clause (Article 5(2)). Part III of the Covenant contains the following substantive rights: the right to life (Article 6); freedom from torture, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment (Article 7); freedom from slavery, servitude and forced labour (Article 8); rights to liberty and security of the person (Article 9); right of detained persons to humane treatment (Article 10); freedom from imprisonment for inability to fulfil a contract (Article 11); freedom of movement (Article 12); right of aliens to due process when expelled (Article 13); right to a fair trial (Article 14); freedom from retroactive criminal law (Article 15); right to recognition as a person before the law (Article 16); right to privacy (Article 17); freedom of thought, conscience, and religion (Article 18); freedom of opinion and expression (Article 19); freedom from war propaganda and freedom from incitement to racial, religious or national hatred (Article 20); freedom of assembly (Article 21); freedom of association (Article 22); right of protection of the family and the right to marry (Article 23); right of protection of the child (Article 24); right of participation in public life (Article 25); right to equality before the law and right of non-discrimination (Article 26); and rights of minorities (Article 27).

  23. Interesting, Brian. We all know that the US didn’t sign up to the 30 articles of UNCHR, although they encourage other countries to follow them:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTlrSYbCbHE

    but did they sign up to ICCPR? I suspect not.

  24. “There can never be a true democracy unless there is an independent media”
    and without human involvement.

  25. Excellent recent article on principle of “do as we say not as we do…”, when it comes to human rights:

    http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/3/the-us-lacks-moralauthorityonhumanrights.html

  26. Wibble.

  27. Thanks Dd

    The perfect guide for following, champion that with animal rights and global responsibility.

    It is our duty to learn them.

  28. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 8:23 am

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/02/tony-blair-calls-european-elections-wake-up-call_n_5429677.html

    (all papers)

    Seems the little (fill this space with excrement) Blair is saturating the media with announcements of what he is about to announce (the bleeding obvious – move on, there’s nothing of substance to see) He’s definitely up to something.

    Now ask me who Cameron would like to see as Euro Commissioner rather than Merkel’s choice, Juncker… someone who has disagreed with Juncker in the past, perhaps?

    http://cordis.europa.eu/news/rcn/24028_en.html

    Hmmm. Not that I see too much wrong with what Blair was saying at the time. The bleeding obvious, but Juncker doesn’t seem to think so.

  29. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 9:06 am

  30. He’s still jockeying for position.

    Tony Blair tells Europe to wake up to reform

    Michael Savage and David Charter June 2 2014

    Ukip’s election victory is a “wake-up call” on the need to reform Europe, Tony Blair is to say today.

    The former prime minister will warn that support for Eurosceptic parties across the continent had exposed “deep anxiety, distrust and alienation from the institutions and the core philosophy of Europe”. In a keynote speech, he will urge pro-Europeans to accept the need for change, and not allow Eurosceptics to lead the debate. “The victories of Ukip in the UK and the National Front in France and the election of parties across the continent on explicitly ‘anti-the-status-quo in Europe’ platforms signify something. They cannot be ignored,” he will say. “The election results matter. They are a wake-up call to Europe and to Britain. Our response in Europe as in Britain should be to lead, not follow.”

    His intervention comes amid attempts by David Cameron to block…

    ..http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4106432.ece
    (paywall)

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4106432.ece

  31. Bungs R Us

    Another YCNMIU

    BLiar’s pal Goldsmith (signed off the Dodgy Dossier if I remember correctly) is on FIFA’s Independent Governance Committee.

    2022 vote must be re-run if corruption proved – Goldsmith …

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/02/uk-soccer-fifa-qatar-idUKKBN0ED0JQ20140602

    ~~~

    Independent Governance Committee
    Chairman
    Mark PIETH Switzerland
    Deputy Chairman –
    Member
    Jose Luis ASTIAZARAN Spain (League President)
    Peter GOLDSMITH England (former UK Attorney General)
    Leonardo GROSSO Italy (FIFPro President)
    Carlos HELLER Argentina (Club representative)
    Michael HERSHMAN USA (Fairfax Group)
    Guillermo JORGE Argentina
    James KLOTZ Canada (Miller Thompson LLP)
    Francois MORINIERE France

  32. One down. A few dozen more to go.

    King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicating
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27662301

  33. What revolting Occupiers.

    80,000 Palestinians left without tap water for three months

    NEWS / Posted by Friends of Al-Aqsa / Sunday, 01st June, 2014

    Tens of thousands of Palestinian residents in East Jerusalem have spent three months without running water, despite petitions and calls from human rights bodies after an Israeli water utility company stopped supplies in March.

    Hagihon, Jerusalem’s water utility company, stopped regular supplies of running water to several neighborhoods in occupied East Jerusalem, such as Shu’fat Refugee Camp, Ras Khamis, Ras Sh’hadeh and Dahiyat a-Salam, said a statement from the website of B’Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories.

    The camps are located inside Jerusalem’s municipal boundaries and isolated from the rest of the city by the Separation Barrier.

    According to B’Tselem, some households in these camps “have been completely cut off from the water supply” while others “receive water intermittently.”

    “As for the rest, the water pressure in the pipes is so low that the water does not reach the faucets,”says the statement.

    As a result, between 60,000 and 80,000 Palestinians, the majority of whom are permanent Israeli residents, have been left without a regular water supply, adds the organization.

    /..
    http://www.foa.org.uk/news/up-to-80000-palestinians-left-without-tap-water-for-three-months

    The daily temperature in Jerusalem in the past week has ranged between 27C and 38C.

  34. Is Blair immune from prosecution if he manages to bully himself into a leading EU position? would not surprise me.

    I suppose he would like to stop farm subsidies aqnd rather invest in arms R&D, or what was he on about? He failed as peace envoy and he failed parliament over Iraq, whatever Chilcott says, he can’t wish away Blair lying to Parliament.

  35. Habbabkuk @ 1 Jun,2014-2:20 pm

    If you do a word count, it would be even more extraordinary. My guess is in the vicinity of 30% of all words on this thread, but only about 5-10% being original content.

    – – – –

    Unrelated.. Here’s an uplifting video of a kid with pluck, defying convention :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXespwyiefY

  36. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 10:30 am

    Actually, I think Blair at the top of the Euro pile would very effectively destroy the EU. Farage needs to support his candidacy. That’s because Blair doesn’t do detail, and he sees issues only as black-and-white. Not what the EU needs at all; still less someone who’s either in Zurich picking up his sinecure money, some godforsaken Central Asian despotism sucking the oilteat, or Jerusalem, taking a percentage of any international aid aimed at the Palestinians while enthusiastically rimming Netanyahu.

  37. @Mary

    Lord Goldsmith on Radio 5 speaking of FIFA and the World Cup true to form he said all answers are to to transparent….

    No with international diplomacy all dialogue should be true to form and in the open. That’s democracy.

  38. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 10:46 am

    Mr Scorgie and Mary opine, respectively:

    “Mary’s posts are interesting and politically relevant.”

    and

    “posts here which I hope have been mostly informative.”
    __________________________

    Well, “interesting” is a subjective judgement to which Doug has every right of course; however, others outside the family might have a slightly different opinion. All part of the rich and democratic diversity of blogging life!

    “Politically relevant” is a bit of a lazy and meaningless expression, isn’t it and is usually used by the ignorant or obsessive to justify scribbling about just about anything. A week without rain could be considered politically relevant insofar as it could be claimed that it is due to climate change which in turn results from political decisions taken on energy policy which are in turn taken because of…..and so on and so on. So Doug’s defence of Mary is not especially convincing and, moreover leaves entirely to one side the question of relevance to the subject of any particular thread…

    Un peu de discipline, mes amis!

    “Mostly informative” – well, yes, but this raises the question do we need to have a kind of “newswire service”, especially since most of us are, I suppose, capable of looking up anything we’re particularly interested in ourselves (we are all adults, apart from SKN of course)and some of do do have access ourselves to the various media (both MSM and “alternative” or “dissident) Mary keeps cutting and pasting from.

    It could indeed even be argued that Mary’s newswire service is something of an attempt to force certain themes down the blog reader’s throat; it assumes his interest in those themes, something which in fairness cannot be assumed. Unless, of course, the function of this blog is merely to provide an echo chamber for a score or so of “alternative” or “dissident” voices whose principal concern is to mutually reinforce one another’s views; this would of course explain why the appearance of people who do not subscribe to the pensée unique (myself and subsequently a few others) had given rise to such agitation among the 20 or so regulars whom I thought it would correct to refer to as the “Excellences”.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Anyway, if I feel O need a change from beach volley and my other healthy pursuits over the next few months I may do some more detailed analysis of who posts how often. It may be that, just as 1% of the population apparently owns 50% of the wealth, a half dozen posters on here account for 80% of the traffic.

    A suivre….

  39. Was it my post about the abomination of the Israelis denying drinking water to 80,000 Palestinians that brought the two attack poodles in?

  40. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 11:16 am

  41. If Blair were to get the EU presidency, wouldn’t it mean that he’d have to be more open about his finances.

    Anyway, reports are indicating that Merkel (changed her mind), Hollande, Cameron and the Italian bloke are coming out against Juncker, so that leaves Schultz for the opposition, with dark horse Blair tearing up the inside as the compromise candidate.

    I suspect that Cameron would support Blair, at this time. Can’t see the Russians being displeased either.

    It’d be interesting to hear that question put to Cameron, forcefully, just to see how he handles it.

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 11:34 am

    “Was it my post about the abomination of the Israelis denying drinking water to 80,000 Palestinians that brought the two attack poodles in?”
    _________________-

    No, not at all, Mary.

    I was meaning to post that for a while anyway and then thought that the moment had come when I saw Mr Scorgie’s fawning “defence”.

    Hope that clarifies.

  43. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 11:45 am

    Wow. This one flew completely under the radar. Three days before his Swedish trip,* Tony was in China, rocking globalisation for Ernst and Young.

    http://www.ey.com/CN/en/Services/Strategic-Growth-Markets/EY-Strategic-Growth-Forum-China-Speakers

    Hard to find out what he said, or how much a word he trousered for it, but here’s a nice picture instead:

    https://twitter.com/CPAlexander_EY/status/469656156353597440

    *Ba’al Zevul (I think: 29 May, 2014 – 12:59 pm

  44. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 11:46 am

    …dark horse Blair tearing up the inside as the compromise candidate.

    I suspect that Cameron would support Blair, at this time. Can’t see the Russians being displeased either.

    That’s what it looks like to me.

  45. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 12:00 pm

    Re. the finances, I doubt the EU would be able to force the two crucial LP companies in Blair’s network to open their books at all. If it did, there would be a lot of structural ambiguity melding charitable money with weasel money. And then there’d be untraceable offshore assets, property held in other names, you name it. Much of Tony’s cash isn’t actually Tony’s you see, unless he explicitly wants it to be. He might be required to drop his current employment though…and that makes this theory rather attractive:-

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/tony-blair-the-return-former-pm-seeks-eu-saviour-role-9465860.html

    Note, “unpaid”. That of course is completely counter to the Blair modus operandi, but wait. What would Morgan Stanley, Zurich and potentially other big players pay for an agent-in-place?

  46. Jemand linked to an injustice in Yemen but fails to mention the great injustice of extrajudicial killings of Yemeni nationals by Obama’s drones.

    Qaeda says kills ‘spies’ for aiding U.S. drone strikes in Yemen
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/02/us-yemen-alqaeda-idUSKBN0ED0NJ20140602

    ‘Yemen is the main stronghold of AQAP, one of the Islamist militant group’s most aggressive wings. The United States acknowledges using drones in Yemen but does not comment publicly on the practice.

    In April, a series of drone strikes killed about 65 militants in southern and central provinces. Yemen’s army followed up with an air and ground offensive to dislodge AQAP fighters from their main strongholds in the south.’

    There are AQ spies in Yemen just as there are Israeli spies in Gaza and Occupied Palestine and elsewhere.

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 1:28 pm

    Ba’al Zevul, Herbie, etc

    No need to get excited about Tony Blair and a possible top EU job.

    Listen to Habbabkuk.

    Blair is not going to get any of the forthcoming package of top EU jobs and he us not even a dark horse: he is in any event disqualified from a couple of them, he has no chance of getting any of the ones he is not disqualified from and he is not even a dark horse. Read nothing into the reported visit to Berlin.

    It is not to be ruled out (although I don’t think it’s very likely) that he may be given the task of “leading” a “reflection group” of something like “the future shape of Europe”. It wouldn’t be the first time that Heads have pulled this one out of the hat – eg before a conference on Treaty changes – on order to give the impression of taking stick, listening and so firth and it could happen either after the package of appointments has been agreed or, indeed, before. But this would be nothing like Giscard’s Constitutional Convention which preceded Lisbon and it should be noted that once produced, any report would be – not for the first time – swiftly and deservedly forgotten.

    However.

    Think laterally and ask yourselves the question – is the EU the only game in ol’ Brussels town? ……

    ***********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 1:30 pm

    One dark horse too many in the above – never mind!

  49. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 1:49 pm

    Jemand commented –

    Habbabkuk @ 1 Jun,2014-2:20 pm

    If you do a word count, it would be even more extraordinary. My guess is in the vicinity of 30% of all words on this thread, but only about 5-10% being original content.

    If I have deduced correctly the subject of your discussion here, Habbabreak ™ instantly vaporises all known nuisances. Or, in this case, both of them.

  50. To be sure, NATO may suit him much better. Cometh the hour cometh the famous war leader.

    He’s always seemed to prefer the quick and the dead over the slow strangulation of bureaucracy and finance.

    About the most sensible suggestion you’ve made in the past three years.

    Place your bets.

  51. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 2:15 pm

    Herbie

    “About the most sensible suggestion you’ve made in the past three years.”
    __________________

    You patronising git! :)

    Actually, I don’t mind. But I would just point out, Herbie, that (1) it was a well-informed hint, not a suggestion, and (2) I’ve only been on this blog for a year and a bit.

    _____________________

    BTW, the last “reflection group” was one headed by former PM Felipe Gonzalez and had as its members luminaries such as former Prezzie Lech Walesa and CBI Prezzie (I think) Richard Lambert. It was convened a couple of years after Lisbon, sat for a year or so at regular intervals and eventually produced a report. Ever heard of the report? No, I didn’t think so – even I can’t even remember the title.

    But all that – itself hypothetical – might be overtaken by the other show in town.
    No reason why a Fogh shouldn’t be replaced by a F**k.

  52. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 2:20 pm

    He’s always seemed to prefer the quick and the dead over the slow strangulation of bureaucracy and finance.

    I beg to differ. He’s always been keenly interested in his own finance. And NATO is as much of a bureaucratic nightmare as the EU. While he may still not be past his sell-by in the US, which would be the only party that mattered in any NATO appointment (as it was for his recruitment as Quartet representative) there are probably hundreds of Americans ahead of him in any putative queue for work these days; younger, better at detail, less of a Napoleon complex and above all American.

  53. Jans from the fjords already has the job, but that don’t matter.

    Withdrawal, citing family circumstances, comforted with a large wedge and sauna extension is not unheard of, especially when the greatest leader of all time is interested.

  54. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 2:34 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “there are probably hundreds of Americans ahead of him in any putative queue for work these days; younger, better at detail, less of a Napoleon complex and above all American.”
    _____________________

    “above all American” – precisely. You are aware of the convention whereby the military commander is always an American and the (civilian) Secretary-General a European (and mostly a former European politician)??

  55. The NATO top job always goes to a European, just as does the IMF job.

    What I mean is that Blair is not interested in details. He prefers the big picture stuff, the unending battle between good and evil.

    That’s often where you find the charlatans, not that Blair is a charlatan of course. He has firm religious principles and convictions, but it’s always worth pointing out that it’s an area of life which attracts scoundrels.

  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 2:42 pm

    Hmmm, I must admit that I’d forgotten about Jens Stoltenberg.

    But there will still be no top EU job for Blair.

  57. I’m hoping he gets a job at The Hague.

    Long hours, poor pay, but plenty of time for quiet contemplation and reflection.

    Yes, the all new monkish Blair, Fra Blairio.

  58. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 2:53 pm

    Withdrawal, citing family circumstances, comforted with a large wedge and sauna extension is not unheard of, especially when the greatest leader of all time is interested.

    He’d still have to fit the US bill better than this:

    While Mr Stoltenberg was Prime Minister, Norway’s defence spending increased steadily, with the result that Norway is today one of the Allies with the highest per capita defence expenditure. Mr Stoltenberg has also been instrumental in transforming the Norwegian armed forces, through a strong focus on deployable high-end capabilities. Under his leadership, the Norwegian Government has contributed Norwegian forces to various NATO operations.

    During his tenure as Prime Minister, Mr Stoltenberg frequently called for NATO to focus on security challenges close to Allied territory.

    Mr Stoltenberg is a strong supporter of enhanced transatlantic cooperation, including better burden-sharing across the Atlantic. He sees NATO and the EU as complementary organisations in terms of securing peace and development in Europe and beyond.

    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global-europe/norways-stoltenberg-confirmed-nato-top-job-301227

    Exactly what the US likes to see. No, I’ll buy the unpaid advisor to the EU line for the moment. A bright little weasel with the gift of the gab can parlay those contacts and all that access to the GREAT into rich rewards from his oligarch friends. The fact that he is the greatest leader the world has ever known is only incidental.

    Blair a scoundrel? Perish the thought. He believes every word he says. He’s even convinced himself…

  59. The Guardian reckons he’s after Rumpy’s job, as opposed to Barbarossa’s:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/02/tony-blair-europe-council-president-eu

    “At 61, it still feels as if Blair has a big job in him”

    Yeah. There’s stuff you can get for that.

    “Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, But to be young was very heaven!”

    And all we get is same old same old.

  60. I agree. Jans had placed himself well. The question then is was he all along positioning himself for that job, at the expense of Norway’s interest.

    There’s nothing to stop them doing that, especially in a time of professional politicians.

    Anyway, this is how the teams line up:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg

    The International Community versus Rest of the World.

    RT has been eavesdropping the team dressing rooms:

    “US plans ‘first strike’ on Russia”

    http://rt.com/shows/the-truthseeker/162864-us-plans-strike-russia/

  61. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 3:33 pm

    He insisted he has no personal ambitions …

    There he goes again. Bless.

  62. Ba'al Zevul (Tochter aus Elysium)

    2 Jun, 2014 - 3:51 pm

    When push comes to shove…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10869627/Tony-Blair-ducks-calls-to-release-secret-Iraq-War-conversations.html

    … despite his eagerness to justify his personal crusade.

  63. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    2 Jun, 2014 - 3:57 pm

    “In fact, just the opposite. We don’t need confusion of any kind. We need clarity and an appreciation of boundaries in every conceivable sphere of action and thought. We don’t need more crybabies, or excuses, or wishful thinking, or the majestic ass-covering that colors the main stream of our national life.”

    http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/coasting-toward-zero/

    Yes, Jim. At what point does positive thinking become delusional? Polishing the available turd-remedies does not provide satisfaction, even though they’re available. Time to think outside the traditional 2 or 3 party democratic/economic shell-game.

  64. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 4:00 pm

    “The Guardian reckons he’s after Rumpy’s job, as opposed to Barbarossa’s:”
    _____________

    No, no, no, the Guardian is talking bollocks (once again). It doesn’t even believe it itself.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “No, I’ll buy the unpaid advisor to the EU line for the moment. A bright little weasel with the gift of the gab can parlay those contacts and all that access to the GREAT into rich rewards from his oligarch friends.”
    _________________________

    The sort of “reflection group” job I mentioned wouldn’t translate into favours to and rewards from oligarch friends. So if the job were offered and were he to accept, it wouldn’t be for the money (travel costs to Brussels and per diem only).

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    But hey, let’s not get into a speculative-masturabatory frenzy over Tony when there are much more important things to talk about, eg Mary’s word-count as referred to by Jemand above!

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 4:02 pm

    “Yes, Jim. At what point does positive thinking become delusional? Polishing the available turd-remedies…”
    ________________-

    The man’s really fixated on turds, they crop up regularly in his posts!

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 4:04 pm

    and it’s not the first time Ben’s used that curious image of “polishing” turds.

    I suppose only a Californian would think of polishing a…turd?

  67. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 4:15 pm

    “When push comes to shove…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10869627/Tony-Blair-ducks-calls-to-release-secret-Iraq-War-conversations.html

    … despite his eagerness to justify his personal crusade.”
    _________________________

    Blair’s position – and that of the current govt – is really rather steep.

    There would certainly be a watertight case for witholding private conversations and notes, letters, etc concerned exclusively with personal matters. For example, I believe that Blair once boasted he was a five times a night man; now, conversations with President Bush on their respective capacities and staying-power could and indeed should be kept private.

    But the position is completely different when it comes to conversations concerned with the exercise (or non-exercise) of power by the state since Blair is here no longer a private individual but a representative of the state, speaking on behalf of the state. It’s therefore absurd that the govt should not be compelled to release this information into the public domaine.

  68. Mary states “Jemand linked to an injustice in Yemen but fails to mention the great injustice of extrajudicial killings of Yemeni nationals by Obama’s drones.”

    Really? I failed? Oh dear!

    Mary, I didn’t even realise that the use of American kill-drones was in any way related to forced marriage of young girls to Arab paedophiles. I might have commented on it had I known of the connection (which I still do not understand).

    Nor was I aware that splitting open the vaginas of prepubescent girls was a mere injustice in comparison to the “great injustice” of US extrajudicial killings — probably of the very same paedophiles who enslave these girls. Maybe you can help by explaining some more.

  69. So an ‘MP is for life not just for Christmas’ according to Cameron. This exemplefies the attitude our party political oligarchs subscribe to, no, they demand that we also accept this as fact.
    Dov your cap, work hard, pay your taxes and vote for us they say. As if no other option is available, what a prat.
    If anybody is promoting UKIP, its the established party oligarchs and their combined waffling.

    Today Cameron proclaimed that ‘we might come out of the EU if Mr. Juncker is not withdrawn as candidate’

    So tyhe referendum might not be given at all, he might ‘just’withdraw us from the EU, more prattish talk, what an idiot to use this as a stick.
    Anyway Agela Merkel is in a coalition with the Socialist party who would not accept anyone else but Mr. Juncker, there’s no chance for Cameron to get his wishfull thinking approved.

  70. The lawyer looking into the bribery allegations about the Qatar 2022 World Cup bid.

    He was a Bush appointee.
    http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/government/garciam-bio.html

    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/bodies/01/66/50/29/michaelgarcia_en.pdf

    Qatar: Fifa Investigator To Meet Organisers
    The top US lawyer will hold talks with Qatari officials as pressure grows on Fifa to run a new vote on the 2022 World Cup.http://news.sky.com/story/1273765/qatar-fifa-investigator-to-meet-organisers

  71. Each of the attack poodles chimes in with gratuitous posts. They appear to be somewhat obsessed about the mechanics of sexual activity.

  72. “Top secret” Shin Bet memo suggested dead Arafat would benefit Israel
    Mon, 06/02/2014

    A “top secret” Israeli intelligence memo from 2000 concluded that the “disappearance” of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat would be beneficial to Israel.

    The memo, revealed in a book to be published this week by British-Israeli political scientist Ahron Bregman, adds evidence to support the thesis that Arafat, who died in November 2004 in a French military hospital, was assassinated.

    The Electronic Intifada obtained an advance copy of Bregman’s book, Cursed Victory: A History of Israel and the Occupied Territories (Penguin).

    Other revelations from Bregman, reported by Newsweek in advance of the book’s publication, include that Israeli intelligence eavesdropped on the phone calls of US President Bill Clinton during sensitive negotiations with Syria fifteen years ago.

    /..
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/top-secret-shin-bet-memo-suggested-dead-arafat-would-benefit-israel

  73. At last.

    Palestinian Unity Government Ends Bitter Rift
    Israel mulls imposing sanctions against the new administration over its support by Hamas, which calls for the state’s destruction.

    Rival Palestinian groups Fatah and Hamas have formed a unity government, ending a seven-year split in a landmark deal which led Israel to suspend peace talks.

    The cabinet was sworn in by President Mahmoud Abbas in a ceremony in the West Bank city of Ramallah.

    Hamas seized Gaza from Mr Abbas’ forces in 2007, leaving him to control only parts of the West Bank.

    /..
    http://news.sky.com/story/1273902/palestinian-unity-government-ends-bitter-rift

    PS to Sky. Hamas did not seize Gaza. They were elected.

  74. Jemand is right, Mary. It’s better to kill all these people, just to be on the safe side. Then we can usher in an era of human rights, liberty, and functioning sewerage systems like we did in, er, Iraq and Libya, and are still trying to do in Syria.

    We have to kill lots of people in order to protect their human rights.

    Can’t you see that? It’s so obvious.

  75. Call it the dignity of death. The human rights of the corpse are inviolate. Indeed, they are beyond indignity, suffering and oppression. It is an ideal state: to be dead and to be free.

    Thomas Paine’s ‘The Rights of Man (deceased’. It’s an important update for the 21st century.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if some sick fuck in the state department, just back from a PNAC circle jerk, looked at it that way.

  76. doug scorgie

    2 Jun, 2014 - 7:33 pm

    Jemand
    2 Jun, 2014 – 10:29 am

    Unrelated.. Here’s an uplifting video of a kid with pluck, defying convention :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXespwyiefY

    Nice that you care Jemand. Let’s protect all children from adult abuse including the male genital mutilation conventional within the Muslim and Jewish religions.

  77. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    2 Jun, 2014 - 8:30 pm

    Scuttlebutt is, this is the start of GITMO closure, which Obama promised by the end of 2014.

    http://time.com/2809352/bowe-bergdahl-deserter-army-taliban/

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 8:49 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “…adult abuse including the male genital mutilation conventional within the Muslim and Jewish religions.”
    ______________________

    Are you seriously comparing female genital mutilation – which has no backing in scripture and which has the effect of killing later sexual pleasure for the women concerned – with male cirumcision which does have backing in scripture and which, if what one hears is to be believed, makes the circumcised man a better cocksman?

    Of course you aren’t, Doug.

    But you do keep coming up with male circumcision every time FGM is mentioned on here.

    The conclusion must therefore be that either

    (1) for whatever dark reason, you approve of FGM or

    (2) you use the topic to deliver what you believe to be a swift kick against the Jews.

    Deplorable as both of those reasons are, I nevertheless hope it’s the second one in your case, Doug.

    Please enlighten us, Doug.

  79. Garcia’s quick. Should have put him on the Iraq War Inquiry.

    Qatar World Cup 2022: Investigator nears probe conclusion
    Fifa investigator and New York lawyer Michael Garcia plans to complete his probe of the 2018 and 2022 World Cup bidding process by 9 June.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27659828

  80. He doing it again! Obsessed with the word.

    He arrived here in November 2012 on the Savile and the Low Hanging Fruit thread. Why that one?
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/11/savile-and-the-low-hanging-fruit/

    After I had put up a photo of Hague and Savile he said

    ‘Habbakuk
    2 Nov, 2012 – 9:45 pm

    Well done, Mary, always vigilant, aren’t you.
    But a bit to touchy and self-righteous for my taste.
    BTW, how’s your garden getting on, and the hens (or was it cocks)?’

    Several posters complained about the content of that post.

    He was Habbakuk at the start and then became Habbabkuk later in the thread when I had pointed out that Habbakuk was a Hebrew Old Testament prophet.

    Downhill all the way since then.

  81. The photo of the grinning Hague and leering Savile. Very topical in the light of today’s news about the extent of Savile’s crimes against children some as young as 2 years of age. Sa Vile.

    http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487313_203664619767875_598847032_n.jpg

  82. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    2 Jun, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    Bathroom curiosity for the sexually immature leads to questions about turds and genitalia, Mary.

  83. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    2 Jun, 2014 - 9:21 pm

    NO posts for 9 days and the last one has had comments closed for 4 days. They sure are busy. Doing what, I don’t know.

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/

  84. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 9:42 pm

    Ben

    “…leads to questions about turds and genitalia,..”
    ________________

    May I just point out, Ben, that

    1/. it’s you who keeps using the word “turd” (latterly as in “polishing the turd”)
    and
    2/. it’s Mr Scorgie who seems to be obsessed with male circumcision.

    Unhealthy precoccupations both.

    *******************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  85. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jun, 2014 - 9:51 pm

    Mary

    “Several posters complained about the content of that post.”
    __________________

    Well they would, wouldn’t they? After all, they are fellow-Eminences, unused to being challenged with the sort of intellectual fire-power they could only dream of.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=

    “He was Habbakuk at the start and then became Habbabkuk later in the thread when I had pointed out that Habbakuk was a Hebrew Old Testament prophet.”
    ______________________

    And I thank you for pointing that out Mary; I’m sure that had you not dine so, people would still be ignorant to this day about who Habbabkuk was.

    At least I stick to one name, unlike someone who called themselves April Showers, May Moaners and Flaming June in quick succession (did I get those names right, Mary?)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “He doing it again! Obsessed with the word.”

    ______________________

    May I point out that it is your spiritual son Doug Scorgie who has again introduced cocks to the blog via his comment on male circumcision?

    ***********************

    Think and live healthily – you know it’s “the right thing to do”!

  86. Those names you listed were used by me in a vain attempt to escape your repellent and continuous attacks, as you know very well. Do not try the ingenuous act FFS. I do not intend to say any more to you. You have filled this blog with inordinate amounts of your rubbish over the last 18 months.

  87. Resident Dissident

    2 Jun, 2014 - 10:36 pm

    I notice Lady Dorking has yet to provide any explanation as to what her something of the Talmud comment about Peter Mandelson meant. Given she clearly doesn’t like Mandelson I’m afraid it can only be seen as yet another jibe against the Jewish religion.

    I am also becoming increasingly of the view that “Mary” is not who she says she is – giving her/his regular visits to other web sites and her/his constant signing of petitions and zealotry for various causes, I very much doubt that such a person would confine themselves to commenting on a single blog.

    Mr Scorgie and his fixations also worry me.

  88. As far as male gential hygiene goes, washing these parts of the body (and the other places too) from time to time seems a far better solution than hacking bits off on spurious preventive grounds. I suppose desert-dwellers, centuries ago, with limited access to water, or to something approximating soap, might have been ambivalent but their ruling wise men and witch-doctors clearly thought they knew better.

  89. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 12:40 am

    Circumcision was practiced because of the the bacteria negatives found in the foreskin in ancient eras. Same with the prohibition against pork. Times have changed for some of the less ignorant and ritualistic religions of the world. Circumcision is traumatic and unnecessary.

  90. @Mary 2 Jun,2014-5:50pm

    “Each of the attack poodles chimes in with gratuitous posts. They appear to be somewhat obsessed about the mechanics of sexual activity.”

    Me: Gratuitous? Mary (Encyclopedia Offtopica), you are the Queen of gratuitous commentary as demonstrated by your obsessive cutting and pasting of hundreds of thousands of words regarding any and all things both bad (real or perceived) and Jewish (real or perceived).

    Can’t you occasionally put a word in for the victims of Islamic/Arabic violence?
    – – –

    @Mike 2 Jun,2014-7:18pm

    “Jemand is right, Mary. It’s better to kill all these people, just to be on the safe side.”

    Me: Mikey, I never advocated killing anybody. I didn’t even imply support. You made up that sarcastically delivered false charge only to ingratiate yourself with Mary. Mikey, you don’t need anyone’s approval to have your own opinion on things here. Try it.
    – – –

    @Doug Scorgie 2 Jun,2014-7:33pm

    “Nice that you care Jemand. Let’s protect all children from adult abuse including the male genital mutilation conventional within the Muslim and Jewish religions.”

    Like a leaf blowing in the wind, it doesn’t matter a jot that I care about anything, Doug. What does matter is action, whatever its agency. It’s a very rare moment that we should agree with each other, but on this occasion I agree with you that action needs to be taken to prevent the continued assaults upon children for religious and other reasons wherein their genitalia are interfered with, too often with devastating effects. I imagine that you didn’t expect that one from me.

    The tragic story of David Reimer
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

    Everyone can have their opinion on male circumcision. I, however, am of the view that no one but that male has a right to choose if and when he sacrifices his own bodily flesh. As for disease control and hygeine, I do believe that millions of years of primate evolution is on my side.

  91. The BBC dutifully report the Israelis’ objection to the new Palestinian coalition. They even had Regev on Radio 4 overnight.

    Israel PM warns against Hamas-Fatah ‘terror’ cabinet
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27656300

    Note it is a terrrrrr grouping.

    No terrrrr displayed yesterday by the IDF of course when they killed a Palestinian. That is not reported on the BBC website.

  92. Jemand ‘that male has a right to choose if and when he sacrifices his own bodily flesh.’

    What a ludicrous statement. Applicable then even when the male is a babe in arms is meeting the keen edge of the mohel’s knife? Medieval horror.

    http://www.kveller.com/baby_and_toddler/Circumcision_/bris-ceremony.shtml

  93. Mary, you must be retarded. I stated that it is only a male’s right to choose his own circumcision, no one else’s. I think it just goes to show how antagonistic and reflexively hostile you are that you would instantly infer the opposite of what I wrote.

  94. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 8:11 am

    Mary (07h38)

    Look, a newly born baby cannot decide for himself whether he wants to be circumcised and so his parents – literally actinbg “in loco parentis” decide for him. In the same way as parents decide on certain vaccinations for their children of various ages.

    As I cannot believe that people like Mary, Scorgie, etc really support FGM (a confirmation of that assumption would be helpful ),the conclusion must surely be that male circumcision – although carried out by Muslims as well – is being used as a stick with which to beat the Jews.

    I note that Mary is very au fait with the terminology: where most of us would probably just have said “rabbi”, she uses what I suppose is the correct word “mohel”. This is a little surprising coming from someone who attempts to accuse others of being obsessed with the c**k word.

  95. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 8:20 am

    TO ALL COMMENTERS

    We’re getting very near to the bottom of page 3 and therefore, by definition, to the top of page 4.

    Could I ask everyone to give Mary a clear run to be the last commenter on page 3 and the first on page 4, please?

    It means a lot to her and you know “it’s the right thing to do”!

    On behalf of Mary, many thanks!

  96. Meanwhile Agent Cameron was in Newark yesterday on his fourth visit doing some electioneering. Shown on TV at a ‘distribution centre’ in front of dozens of bored looking workers wearing high viz jackets and obviously corralled by the bosses to sit there. The price of a job in the UK in 2012 – provide a backdrop for political propaganda. Outrageous.

    The premises belong to Know How which is the distribution/repair centre for Dixons Currys PC World. Owner Sir Stanley Kalms.
    http://www.knowhow.com/about-knowhow.aspx?country=uk

    ‘Lord Kalms was treasurer of the Conservative Party, 2001-3. Like many in the party, he opposes the euro. He is a member of Conservative Friends of Israel.’ Wikipedia

    Kalms has recently merged with Carphone Warehouse, owner Sir Charles Dunstone.

    ‘Charles Dunstone and Stanley Kalms respectively the driving forces behind Carphone Warehouse and Dixons, could hardly be more different. Lord Kalms of Edgware is a former Conservative Party treasurer who idolised Margaret Thatcher. Sir Charles’s heroes are Sir Richard Branson and Tony Blair, and he mixes with David Cameron’s Chipping Norton set.’ The Times

    Cameron was there with Johnson.

  97. Habbabkuk/Habbakuk has lost the plot completely. Page 4 arrives at comment no. 600. Comments currently numbered 501.

    Are these trolls not infantile?

    A baby has no ability to choose what is done to his body but as you say on your link Jemand ‘Take your god and shove him.’ Weird or what?

    Suggest to both to get the deckchairs out of the shed and get some rest!

  98. @Habbabkuk “Could I ask everyone to give Mary a clear run to be the last commenter on page 3 and the first on page 4, please?”

    Ok

  99. The atheist that Jemand links to is one Pat Condell.

    ‘Condell had posted more than 100 video monologues on various video sites as of August 2011, which together had notched up over 35 million hits, and his videos have been translated and subtitled into 14 languages on the dotSUB collaborative platform. In September 2009, he was one of the top ten most subscribed users on YouTube in the United Kingdom and the most subscribed to comedian of all time in the UK. Eight of his videos are in the top hundred most commented on videos in the UK. Most of his YouTube videos chastise Islam and Western appeasement of Islam.’

    Oh I get the connection now. And I think the description of him as a ‘comedian’ is a misnomer.

  100. You are quite unhinged, Mary. Who here has ever said that a baby has the power to consent to anything?

    It is my twice stated opinion and now third attempt to drum into your thick skull that I think a person, quite obviously having the power of independent thought, speech and movement, is himself the sole arbiter of what gets cut off his own body. If that means that he must wait until he is 70 years old to convince everyone that he is acting under his own will, then so be it.

    Do you now understand, Mary, or do I have to further explain using finger puppets?

  101. Mary – “The atheist that Jemand links to is one Pat Condell.”

    “The atheist” ?? It sounds to me, Mary, like you hate atheists. Which might add weight to my suspicion that you are a Muslim who hasn’t the courage of admitting so. Why do you fear us, Mary, and why do you want to cause us harm?

    Attacking Pat Condell makes you look silly. It implies that you do not tolerate opinions that differ from your own. You are free to listen to Pat Condell as you are to not listen to him. Are you trying to prevent others from doing so?

    That he is not a fawning apologist of Islam is apparent to anyone who cares to view his videos. So what exactly is the purpose of pointing out my link to one of his videos if not to incite the collective disapproval and jeering from your goon squad? Aren’t those the tactics we see in unruly mobs who attempt to force their ways on the rest of us?

  102. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:07 am

    “Are these trolls not infantile?”
    _________________-

    No more and no less than the bitches.

  103. I’ve been following the discussion about male genital mutilation. One thing that has always puzzled me is why God in his wisdom instructed Abraham thus:

    9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

    Only a few chapters earlier God created man “in his image” and could have saved the medical necessity there and then of male genital mutilation. The puzzling bit for me is that despite Abraham, who begat Isaac, and all the other begettings down to 2014, when the next generation of male children is born they are all born with foreskins. The puzzle is this. Either God got it wrong in the creation process. Or Abraham, perhaps even thinking it came from God, made this instruction up and generations have been duped. Or we are all the products of evolution and there is no creator God, and the evolutionary process dictates that all males will be born with foreskins. However many circumcisions are performed the next generation of males will still be born with foreskins.

    Having witnessed the circumcision by a doctor of a three year old friend of mine on his kitchen table I can tell you it is a barbaric procedure which is very painful, even if you are just an onlooker. Blood shot everywhere. I was out of that kitchen as fast as my little legs would carry me. Several weeks later when I gashed open my forehead on our mangle I refused point blank to go to a doctor such had been my first experience of the capability and cruelty of doctors. I still bear the scar. But I must apologise to Stephen Schofield for taunting him afterwards telling him he was a girl now and would have to wear dresses soon!

    Yes, it’s barbaric!

  104. Meanwhile in the real world:

    The Ukraine regime uses an SU-25 ground attack aircraft to launch at least 7 rockets against civilians in central Lugansk. Videos show the aircraft firing the missiles and the missiles hitting the ground, first in the trees in the park, the later ones nearer to the civil administration building. At least 7 people were shredded by the fragmentation weapons, one poor women dying from blood loss before the eyes of helpless eyewitnesses.

    The response from the west – nada, rien de chose, nix. The regime apologists claim it was a misfired manpad that somehow loped back to lock on to an air-conditioning unit in the building. AI and HRW, BBC etc etc doing their best as agents of power.

  105. Here’s a “real” comedian for you, Mary. Unless you think that John Cleese is not a comedian (which wouldn’t surprise me).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxm1mqbgxcM

  106. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:55 am

  107. Ot

    Most leftists today base their thinking on False Left foundations because they know of no other foundations that accomodate their emotions. However, the structural weakness of such foundations means that adherents of left-wing ideologies generally lack inspiration. Unlike right-wing ideologies which motivate its adherents to action somewhat more easily by peddling either fear or hubris (or both), left-wing ideologies rely solely on conscience and idealism for motivation, therefore False Left foundations are largely responsible for the low ideological intensity among many leftists today.

    1) Relativism
    This is the idea that value judgements are subjective and therefore cannot be absolute.
    2) Egalitarianism
    Consequential to relativism, this is the idea that, in absence of absolute values, there can be no valid standards for determining value inequality between people, so that all people should be considered equal.
    3) “Rights”
    Consequential to egalitarianism, this is the idea that relationships between equal people must be relationships based on non-infringement of the pre-defined equal ”rights” of any person.
    4) Hedonism
    Consequential to “rights”, this is the idea that, given that the “rights” of everyone must be observed by everyone else, there can be no goal beyond acquisition of pleasure (including proxies for pleasure such as various kinds of achievement) via the range of actions permissible within the framework of “rights”, since all other goals have the potential to lead to infringement of the “rights” of at least some people.
    Democracy then typically follows from this as a utilitarian argument: if all people are equal, then all people have a “right” to vote according to their wishes, but the wishes of the many outweigh the wishes of the few in priority, as going with the former produces pleasure for a greater number and displeasure for a smaller number.

    To destroy the False Left, it suffices to assert absolutism instead of relativism. This is easily done by pointing out the relativist’s paradox: if subjectivity is supreme, then relativism too is a subjective conclusion, so why believe in relativism absolutely? The relativist’s own conviction in relativism shows that he himself does not consider subjectivity to be a barrier to his conclusion. In which case, non-relativists surely need not consider subjectivity a barrier to their conclusions either.

    Once relativism topples, its derivatives are bound to topple with it. As soon as absolute standards are set, the inequality of people according to such standards will be exposed, the notion of “rights” will no longer make sense, and possibilities outside of hedonism will emerge. More practically, leftists will be instantly freed from the paradox of having to support democratic principles on the one hand and condemn majority opinion on the other when majority opinion happens to be right-wing. Instead, they will come to accept that genuine leftism is always anti-democratic – being as it is always based on the vision of the rare, idealistic few – and take pride in this.

    The real battle in the wake of the collapse of the False Left status-quo is the battle over what standards to set as the absolute. It is this issue that sets right – variously called “New Right”, “Dissident Right”, “Alternative Right”, etc. – and left – True Left – in fundamental enmity.

  108. Jemand

    “When the parent culture dissipates, you’re left thinking-

    ‘What’s going on?'”
    -John Cleese in the link you provided.

    Happening in Australia right now.

    The ever-recurring pattern of Life Death Life
    in our world without end.

  109. I think if I have any children, I’ll have qualified doctors remove any unnecessary fleshy pieces about their faces. Ear lobes can go, obviously. There’s probably much of the nose that isn’t really necessary. The children would be too young to choose, but there could be advantages so I will choose for them.

    Or if I was in charge I could write a book, claim it’s by God and get my followers to do it to their kids.

    All looks perfectly morally sound to me. Not the slightest bit nutty; we see this sort of behaviour throughout the animal and vegetable realms.

  110. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 10:49 am

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    2 Jun, 2014 – 8:49 pm

    “…you use the topic to deliver what you believe to be a swift kick against the Jews.”

    Misquoting is your speciality Habbabkuk.

    I wrote:

    “Let’s protect all children from adult abuse including the male genital mutilation conventional within the MUSLIM AND Jewish religions.”

    No pain medication is used:

    “Rabbi Shmuel Goldin, president of the Rabbinical Council of America, said circumcisions done for religious purposes did not typically involve pain medication…”

    It has to be done because it’s in the Scriptures:

    “For us, it is such a critical component of our religious life that an attempt to eradicate it is an attempt to eradicate our religion.”

    Also:

    “In some Jewish communities (including in the US) the person trained in the practice of circumcision (a mohel) sucks the male baby’s penis after the foreskin has been cut and removed.”

    “To me this is not only a deliberate wounding of a child but also sexual abuse.”

    “There is no justification for allowing these practices to continue on religious or cultural grounds in any country. No one has the right to damage a child.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/19/circumcision-without-consent-indefensible

    Was yours sucked when you had the snip Habbabkuk?

  111. Yonatan

    http://rt.com/news/163076-ukraine-lugansk-clashes-jet/

    One eyewitness saw three women dead, no soldiers in this cowardly attack by Willy Wonka’s forces. Do not buy any of these brands. Roshen or

    http://www.roshen.com/en/products/
    http://www.bonbonetti.hu/en/

    This man is a danger. One thing I want people who have criticised the pro-Russians and praised this government of fascist thugs funded by the west is how much better everything was in the days of Yanukovich. Another US failed state.

    Surely people like RD cannot condone this killing of innocents by their own government! Can they?

  112. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 11:05 am

    Thank you for the link Jemand

    The tragic story of David Reimer
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

  113. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 11:20 am

    Blair, having spent part of Monday haranguing the CBI on the need for Blair-style reform of the EU, is now putatively off on his travels again…G-CEYL was airborne yesterday. Further details when I can find them, but took off, probably from Farnborough, @ 1435. Anyone know who the lucky host might be?

  114. I think I’ll have all my children’s teeth pulled out. They’re my children, so I have to choose on their behalf. Teeth cause a lot of trouble, pain and expense over time, and they fall out eventually so it’s best to get it over with, but you can’t expect children to understand that. In an infinite universe everything arises, so there must be a god somewhere who’ll be delighted.

  115. @ Clark

    I hope you have children Clark because I hand no doubt you would be a mighty fine parent, and you already you make a perfect role model and guide for children.

    Dyb dyb dyb

  116. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 11:35 am

    Another porky from Blair. He is listed as a “university professor” by his agent, the Washington Speaker’s Bureau:

    http://www.washingtonspeakers.com/speakers/speaker.cfm?SpeakerID=4432&gotoTab=2

    With his second class BA from Oxford (automatically (if you’re Oxford) convertible after one year’s complete inaction into an MA), he is no such bloody thing, even allowing that ‘professor’ in the US may mean ‘senior lecturer’.

  117. I suppose my children’s genital and urinary organs may have some parts that could be profitably removed, but I won’t have that done because of what people might think. It wouldn’t be so bad if everyone else was doing it.

  118. Jay, 11:32 am; the world is full and the future looks ominous; I’ll probably give parenthood a miss this time. Compliment appreciated, though; thanks.

  119. My saying exactly. Why is Cameron dithering? why not have a refewrendum before the next GE? what has he got to loose? time for his pals to make new arrangements on how to claim vast sums from the EU?

    All poll results point to a positive pro EU vote, at least the great unwashed know which side their bread is buttered on. Lets have the refewrendum now and watch UKIP tumble at the prospect of it.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/spiegel-editorial-argues-britain-must-determine-future-in-eu-a-972903.html

  120. Clark: teeth out. Get a grip man. At circumcision age they have no teeth. Then the milk teeth arrive (20) and eventually their proper gnashers (32). But I get your point. Circumcision is barbaric and so are the parents who want their boy childs to be mutilated in this way. In the days before alternative comedy there was a joke about the loving father who wanted to teach his son a lesson. So he stood the boy on the sixth rung of a ladder and told him to jump. The lad was scared and said “I’ll hurt myself.” “No you won’t. I’ll catch you.” The boy jumped and his father moved out of the way. “You said you’d catch me,” said the teary child. “And that will teach you to trust nobody, not even your own father.”

    Circumcision, or male genital mutilation, is a bit like that. A child expects love and comfort from its parents. What it gets is agony and pain. It is a hard lesson for one so young who has never heard of Abraham.

  121. @ Clark

    Look upon all children as your own and love them with kindness.

  122. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 12:09 pm

    Why is Cameron dithering? why not have a referendum before the next GE? what has he got to loose? time for his pals to make new arrangements on how to claim vast sums from the EU?

    This is why –

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/31/uk-britain-election-referendum-idUKKBN0EB0QD20140531

    If nasty Juncker gets in, David will throw all his toys out of the pram, and fuck democracy (again)

  123. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 12:14 pm

    To explain the subtext of the above – it’s currently becoming clear that Cameron has no intention of holding a referendum unless Juncker is appointed.

  124. I get all this, Ba’al, but he can get his cake and eat it, i.e. havre this referendum and if its going the EU way, he can say see I told you so, its the best option for Britain.
    If the vote goes against he can say exactly the same to Mr. juncker, the ex taxhaven procurator general, can he not?

  125. Stephen Dorrell is stepping down as chair of the Health Select Committee. He wants to spend more time with the partei! The truth of the matter is probably that he cannot sit there listening to more and more on the effects of the dismantling of OUR NHS.

    http://www.hsj.co.uk/news/hsj-live/hsj-live-03062014-stephen-dorrell-steps-down-as-health-committee-chair/5071539.article

    The Ozzie version.

    I don’t know what Abbott’s Sick Tax is but can take a guess. This is sharp stuff in 44 secs.

    Australia: GetUp campaign ad against Abbott’s ‘sick tax’
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1401785647.html

  126. Have no doubt, one day we will be able to reliably identify these people with special needs and help them avoid an unhappy career in politics and/or big business.

    Fans of Tony Blair might see some familiar traits in their idol.

    What Makes a Psychopath
    http://www.sbs.com.au/insight/episode/overview/618/What-Makes-a-Psychopath#.U42w3Cga2-Y

  127. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 12:34 pm

    I think the problem lies with the Tories, many of whom are frightened that they will lose their access to the trough because of UKIP. Cameron doesn’t think he can keep them on side. So it’s hey, ho, trim the sail and prepare to go about; he may not be able to rig an election to make it look as if the UK public wants to be in Europe and in any case the UK public don’t matter. And he may well lose the next election whatever he does….

    Though I admit it’s hard to guess what’s going on, and that’s just what it looks like from here.

  128. Mary the Muslim, you are welcome to take as many swipes at Tony Abbott as you like but don’t fool yourself into thinking that I give a shit. I didn’t vote for this fuckwit.

  129. It’s about time for another of those daily reports of Israeli atrocities. Picked at random. One day is very much like another for the Palestinians on the receiving end.

    Zionism in practice – Israel’s Daily Toll on Palestinian Life, Limb, Liberty and Property
    24 hours to 8am
    01 June 2014

    3 attacks – 16 raids including home invasions – 2 beaten – 14 injured – 3 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage – 15 taken prisoner – 8 detained – 108 restrictions of movement

    Israeli Army armed incursions – crops bulldozed in 2 Gaza farming areas

    Israeli Army opens fire on East Khan Yunis farmland

    Dawn home invasion: Israeli troops assault wife, husband and son

    Youngsters and women injured in Israeli Army raid

    Refugee children beaten and injured by Israeli soldiers

    Two 15-year-old boys among the injured in Israeli Army raid

    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in refugee camp and 7 towns and villages

    ~~

    Can appear banal just reading the words but imagine being one of the recipients, especially the children.

    http://www.sapienspromise.org/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=7

  130. A case in point on the deterioration in the NHS. Notice the outsourcing of the outsourcing!

    NHS patients in uproar over ‘incompetent’ drug delivery service
    Healthcare at Home claims it is working hard to fix problems after hundreds are left without medication
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/03/nhs-patients-medicine-delivery-service

    Heathcare at Home is run by Advantage Healthcare Group Ltd. Two of the directors are directors of that company and nine other affiliated companies.
    http://companycheck.co.uk/director/918173244
    http://companycheck.co.uk/director/918683325

  131. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:16 pm

    Clark is correct. Circumcision is practiced widely for cosmetic purposes. Parents don’t want the child to be different when it comes time for the first gym-wide shower.

  132. Of course, the old Testament is full of great parenting advice, isn’t it? I particularly like the bit where God drowns the whole human race for being naughty.

  133. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV

    “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

    Of course it’s not likely a toddler would be a drunkard. He must be talking about teenagers. Maybe they were on to something. :)

  134. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:43 pm

    Re the Great Circumcision Debate

    John Goss has kindly provided us with scriptural authority for male circumcision (cf his contribution at 09h19).

    Could anyone – perhaps you, Mr Scorgie? – point us in the direction of the text or texts that prescribe/authorize/encourage/justify female genital mutilation as practised by sundry Muslims (but not Jews)?

    Many thanks.

  135. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:49 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Was yours sucked when you had the snip Habbabkuk?”

    and from 1 June

    “..Whereas yours are mere slimy ejaculate”
    __________________________

    You come across as a deeply disturbed young man, Doug, with an unhealthy fixation on other blokes’ cocks.

    Have you sought help yet?

  136. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:50 pm

    Circumcision is practiced widely for cosmetic purposes. Parents don’t want the child to be different when it comes time for the first gym-wide shower.

    Also it used to be fairly standard for the Church of England at least. Great was the mirth in the school showers when contrasting roundheads and cavaliers. Wasn’t an exclusively Jewish or Muslim thing at all.

  137. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    ” But in country after country these days, the hallmarks of democracy are being dangerously subverted and co-opted by powerful elites. The question is, are we recognizing what is happening under our noses? Three examples unfolding right now are indicators of this trend: Thailand, Ukraine and Egypt.”

    http://www.alternet.org/world/how-wealthy-elites-are-hijacking-democracy-all-over-world

    Since democratic labels are proliferating without genuine intent, and considering human-nature, we need a re-boot.

  138. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:59 pm

    Disobedient children must be executed.

    He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. — Exodus 21:15

    He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. — Exodus 21:17

    For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. — Leviticus 20:9

    God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. — Matthew 15:4

    Plenty more here –

    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/parenting.html

    Hallelujah! Praise!

  139. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 2:59 pm

    ” Wasn’t an exclusively Jewish or Muslim thing at all.”

    No. Most were mere surgical-Semites chortling at the few wearing helmets in the shower.

  140. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:00 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““…you use the topic to deliver what you believe to be a swift kick against the Jews.”

    Misquoting is your speciality Habbabkuk.

    I wrote:

    “Let’s protect all children from adult abuse including the male genital mutilation conventional within the MUSLIM AND Jewish religions.””
    ____________________

    You are a master of disinformation, Doug (if of little else).

    You are so keen to get in a swift kick against Jews that you’re willing to make a big issue out of male circumcision DESPITE the fact that your Muslim mates ALSO practise male circumcision.

    D’you get it now?

  141. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:02 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    Do you have a particular problem with the concept of loving and honoring your parents?

  142. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    I dispense you from answering the above question if you only have an Oxford second (whether converted into an MA or not).

  143. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:06 pm

    Notice how swiftly Mother Mary goes to ground when it’s her favorites who are busily commenting on cocks and matters connected. :)

    Got hand it to the old dear, no one could accuse her of not having balls!

  144. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    You must be good at badminton, Hab. Chasin’ down those Israeli birdies and whackin’ em back. What team do you play for?

  145. Cutting bits off is empowering; that sign of my parental authority will be imposible to forget even after I’m dead.

    Then there are pedigree animals, which just don’t look right unil you cut some bits off.

    I’m all for cuts, like all the best politicians.

  146. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:26 pm

  147. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Clark

    I gather that interviews with and studies of Muslim women who have undergone female genital mutilation reveal that the women are mostly rather unhappy about it.

    Are you aware of studies or similar which reveal any great level of dissatisfaction among males who were circumcised as children?

  148. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:31 pm

    California Ben

    Have you by any chance been banned from all relevant US – based blogs?

    Or are you just an ageing, whiskery 1960s Brit expat? :)

  149. Ba'al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:31 pm

    Just raked up more Blair. Globalisation, globalisation, globalisation….at the ICI General Membership Meeting, 21st May, Washington DC.

    http://www.ici.org/viewpoints/view_14_gmm_blair

    So that’s 21st May: Washington DC, take your pick of 22-23rd May, Shanghai, three days later, Stockholm/Malmo and back in time to pontificate on all UK outlets from the 27th…..

    JUST a minute. Just a cotton picking sixty seconds. At some time during the 21st-23rd May Blair was also recorded at the Astana Economic Forum, in his favourite repressive dictatorship, Kazakhstan. So what’s going on? Is he being paid hyperbucks for videoconferencing? Or has he now got a body double?

    Still it’s good to see the stress and jetlag showing up on his tired and generally joyless features.

  150. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:32 pm

    “mostly rather unhappy about it…”

    Any interviews with the happy recipients?

  151. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:39 pm

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-030614.html

    “Kagan has been devastatingly misguided on everything, as in his 2003 best-seller Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order, an eulogy of “benign” Americans standing guard against the “threats” (as in Muslim fundamentalism) emanating from a Hobbesian world way beyond the cozy Kantian precinct inhabited by Europe.

    Then, in The Return of History and the End of Dreams (2008), the “evil” was not Muslim fundamentalism anymore (too shabby), but the emerging of those vast autocracies, Russia and China, antithetical to Western democracies. But with The World America Made (2012), the paradisiacal shining city on the hill would once again triumph, more than capable to see those autocracies off; after all, the only reliable guarantee of global peace is American exceptionalism.

    Kagan still commands the attention even of the otherwise aloof Commander-in-Chief, who avidly consumed The World America Made before his 2012 State of the Union Address, in which he proclaimed “America is back”. ”

    Shorter Obama; “we don’ get no respect”

  152. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    ““mostly rather unhappy about it…”

    Any interviews with the happy recipients?”
    __________________

    Nah, Ben, I’ll leave it to you to find interviews with women happy that they’ve been genitally mutilated!

    What a chump you are :)

  153. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 3:53 pm

    Well, at least he’s holding firm on abortion.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-pope-who-is-francis-i-cardinal-jorge-mario-bergoglio-and-argentinas-dirty-war/5326675

    “What the Western media fail to mention is that Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Pope Francis I) was one of the main supporters –within the Catholic hierarchy– of Argentina’s military dictatorship which came to power in a CIA supported coup in 1976.

    Jorge Mario Bergoglio not only supported the dictatorship, he also played a direct and complicit role in the “Dirty War” (la guerra sucia”) in liaison with the military Junta headed by General Jorge Videla, leading to the arrest, imprisonment, torture and disappearance of progressive Catholic priests and laymen who were opposed to Argentina’s military rule. “While the two priests Francisco Jalics y Orlando Yorio, kidnapped by the death squads in May 1976 were released five months later. after having been tortured, six other people associated with their parish kidnapped as part of the same operation were “disappeared” (desaparecidos).”

    Liberation Theology has become a convenient tool of media propaganda: the protagonists of oppression are portrayed as liberators. Pope Francis I, heralded as the champion of Liberation in Latin America is now bringing his message to Palestine: According to Naim Ateek, the founder of Liberation Theology in Palestine, quoted in TIME, “We feel he has been able to speak about the poor in Latin America,… Now we would like to see him speak about the oppressed in Palestine.”

  154. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 4:43 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    2 Jun, 2014 – 8:49 pm

    “…male cirumcision which does have backing in scripture and which, if what one hears is to be believed, makes the circumcised man a better cocksman?”

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    3 Jun, 2014 – 2:43 pm

    “John Goss has kindly provided us with scriptural authority for male circumcision…”

    “Could anyone – perhaps you, Mr Scorgie? – point us in the direction of the text or texts that prescribe/authorize/encourage/justify female genital mutilation as practised by sundry Muslims (but not Jews)?”

    Well if it’s in the scriptures Habbabkuk it must be right then.

    There is no justification for FGM Habbabkuk. FGM is worse than male circumcision due to its more radical cutting.

    However I do believe that ritual male circumcision is wrong even if it’s mandated in the scriptures.

    Don’t forget Habbabkuk, many Jews are atheists.

    Adult male Jews and Muslims should decide for themselves whether to have the procedure.

    Circumcising children should, in my view, be outlawed.

  155. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 4:45 pm

    Greenwald has another tepid re-hash of old news. Is your founder (Ebay) upset at the notion Google is complicit? Is that why you STILL haven’t released the name of the country in question?

    http://rt.com/usa/162036-wikileaks-google-nsa-afghanistan/

  156. Habbabkuk I agree, Jews are much better than Muslims. Stands to reason, dunnit? Jews are on our side and we’re the Good Guys. Bleedin’ obvious.

  157. http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/freedom-cheaper-than-iraq-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459812
    Another abusive ad hominem comment and incorrect assumption from the troll.

    I have just got back from attending a talk by Dr Colin Summerhayes from the Scott Polar Antarctic Survey on global warming, loss of sea ice, etc etc. Would do the troll good to get out more.

    PS Have you noticed his fondness for typing out ‘naughty’ words beginning with the latter ‘c’?

  158. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:05 pm

    “PS Have you noticed his fondness for typing out ‘naughty’ words beginning with the latter ‘c’?”

    I’m waiting for the compulsory adolescent fart jokes since that’s all he’s got left.

  159. A CV and a half! Shame about the Exxon and BP parts.

    http://www.spri.cam.ac.uk/people/summerhayes/

  160. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:23 pm

    Ba’al Zevul (You Have Entered An Incorrect Password)
    3 Jun, 2014 – 2:50 pm

    “Also it used to be fairly standard for the Church of England at least.”

    Yes that’s true Ba’al:

    “Edward VII, the Duke of Windsor and Prince Charles all had their foreskins removed, the latter by Jacob Snowman GP, at Buckingham Palace in 1948.

    Charles’ brothers Andrew and Edward were also snipped.”

    “According to Anthony Holden’s biography of Prince Charles, cited by the Evening Standard, Jacob Snowman was summoned to the palace five days after Charles’s christening.

    Snowman was a mohel, a religious circumcision specialist, from London’s Jewish community, and he was chosen over the royal physician to perform the ritual.”

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/07/24/britain-wonders-if-baby-prince-will-be-circumcised-prince-charles-snipped-by-royal-mohel/

  161. doug scorgie

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:39 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    3 Jun, 2014 – 3:28 pm

    “Are you aware of studies or similar which reveal any great level of dissatisfaction among males who were circumcised as children?”

    Try this Habbabkuk:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jews-Against-Circumcision/165424110207450

  162. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:41 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “There is no justification for FGM Habbabkuk. FGM is worse than male circumcision due to its more radical cutting.”
    ______________________

    I’m gratified that you take that view, Doug. Thank you.

  163. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:50 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    3 Jun, 2014 – 3:28 pm

    “Are you aware of studies or similar which reveal any great level of dissatisfaction among males who were circumcised as children?”

    Try this Habbabkuk:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jews-Against-Circumcision/165424110207450
    _________________________

    You should be careful not to assume automatically, Doug, that this Facebook group is representative of circumcised Jews as a whole.

    I would submit that it isn’t and, furthermore, that the vast majority of adult male Jews have no hangups or gripes at all about having been circumcised.

    I suspect you have a greater hangup about male circumcision than do those whi have been circumcised. Why so, Doug?

  164. Getting holes made through children is fun, too. You can hang jewellery on them that matches your own; people can see you’re a family.

  165. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:54 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    Yes that’s true Ba’al:

    ““Edward VII, the Duke of Windsor and Prince Charles all had their foreskins removed, the latter by Jacob Snowman GP, at Buckingham Palace in 1948.

    Charles’ brothers Andrew and Edward were also snipped.”

    “According to Anthony Holden’s biography of Prince Charles, cited by the Evening Standard, Jacob Snowman was summoned to the palace five days after Charles’s christening.

    Snowman was a mohel, a religious circumcision specialist, from London’s Jewish community, and he was chosen over the royal physician to perform the ritual.””
    __________________________

    You have obviously studied this matter in very great detail. Have you done similar research on other groups of particular interest to you, such as MPs, potential No voters in the independence referendum, etc? Have you identified any interesting correlations?

  166. This seems to have gone unnoticed today. Far more important I would have thought than the ceaseless discussion on genital mutilation. Obomber continues in his plan to encircle Russia.

    US unveils $1bn Europe security plan
    President Barack Obama announces plans for a $1bn fund to increase US military deployments to Europe, during a visit to Poland.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe/

    The hypocritical war monger moves on to France on Friday to remember the slaughter of D Day which happened 70 years ago. He will stand with the other war mongers like Hollande and Cameron.

  167. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 5:59 pm

    “http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/freedom-cheaper-than-iraq-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459812
    Another abusive ad hominem comment and incorrect assumption from the troll.”
    _________________________

    Not at all, just a statement of fact about how the bitch reacts when her favorites say something untoward.

    **********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  168. “I would submit that it isn’t and, furthermore, that the vast majority of adult male Jews have no hangups or gripes at all about having been circumcised.”

    Arghh, my friend. You lose a finger and it’s painful. But eventually you learn to manage with three fingers and a thumb on that hand. You have no hangups about it because that is the way it is. You have to get on with life. From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the prepuce lubr, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels. And it does feel good. Suffice to say that some from past experience may have found it so pleasurable it prevented them from getting on with the more important, if more mundane, everyday tasks. But it does feel good. Believe me. And I talk from personal experience. Why do you not want this for yourself, your family, and your friends is beyond me. :)

    I would however prefer four fingers and a thumb on each hand because that is so much better too, I assume. :)

  169. Should have read “From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the prepuce lubricated by natural juices, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels.”

    Firefox crashed hence the missing text.

  170. Mary 3 Jun, 2014 – 5:57 pm

    As you say so much more important. Obama wants NATO exercises in Ukraine. Ukraine is not even part of NATO. Sign this epetition, which could likely succeed and cause a parliamentary debate at the very least,

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64756

  171. Habbakuk/Habbabkuk is building up to his page 17 modus operandi. He said:

    ‘Notice how swiftly Mother Mary goes to ground when it’s her favorites who are busily commenting on cocks and matters connected. :)

    Got hand it to the old dear, no one could accuse her of not having balls!’
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/freedom-cheaper-than-iraq-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459812

    and then, after I said I had been out this afternoon, he ignores his earlier unfounded allegation and directs another coarse comment my way.

    ‘Not at all, just a statement of fact about how the bitch reacts when her favorites say something untoward.’

    He really needs to be stopped in his tracks before he brings this blog into disrepute. He is certainly achieving a troll’s function of diverting and disrupting.

    Craig is obviously occupied with the move.

    PS Note the American spelling of ‘favourite’.

    he say

  172. BBC expected to cut up to 600 jobs in news and radio
    James Harding, director of news and current affairs, to hold open sessions where further cuts are set to be discussed
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/03/bbc-cut-600-jobs-news-radio-james-harding

    Nothing on the BBC website!

    ~~

    Harding et al

    ‘Soon after his own appointment, Hall named James Harding as the BBC’s new director of news and current affairs. Until December, Harding was editor of The Times, an avowedly right-wing, pro-Israeli paper owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News International group.

    In 2011, Harding spoke at a media event organized by The Jewish Chronicle, telling his audience: “I am pro-Israel. I believe in the State of Israel. I would have had a real problem if I had been coming to a paper [The Times] with a history of being anti-Israel. And, of course, Rupert Murdoch is pro-Israel.”’

    Apologists for Israel take top posts at BBC
    http://electronicintifada.net/content/apologists-israel-take-top-posts-bbc/12395

  173. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 7:17 pm

    Mary

    “..and then, after I said I had been out this afternoon, he ignores his earlier unfounded allegation and directs another coarse comment my way.

    ‘Not at all, just a statement of fact about how the bitch reacts when her favorites say something untoward.’”
    _____________________

    The explanation is simple, Mary, and I’ve already given it to you, so you’ve had fair warning: every time you call me a troll, I shall immediately respond by calling you a bitch.

    That seems fair to me.

    So the solution is in your hands, Mary. No “troll” = no “bitch”.

  174. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 7:24 pm

    John Goss

    You’ve waxed so lyrical about the pleasures of foreskins that I almost suspect you’ve done it just as a literary exercise. Sub-Lawrentian, almost.

    The other side of the argument is that circumcised blokes make better cocksmen because longer-lasting.

    I fear that I shall not be taking any concrete steps to verify this. As a good Catholic, I want to be all there come the Resurrection.

    Let’s leave it there for the moment (until the next time FGM comes up, whereupon Mr Scorgie will again post about Jewish circumcision and the whole boring diversion can start all over again….:) )

  175. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 7:26 pm

    “BBC expected to cut up to 600 jobs in news and radio”
    ____________________

    But surely, Mary – as a BBC-hater (many comments passim), should you not be pleased?

  176. I should correct myself before somebody else does 6: 14 and 6:19. It is not:

    “From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the prepuce lubricated by natural juices, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels.”

    That is anatomically incorrect because foreskin = prepuce so it should read:

    “From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the glans lubricated by natural juices, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels.”

  177. “The other side of the argument is that circumcised blokes make better cocksmen because longer-lasting.”

    You have mentioned this several times so you must believe it. Either you or I, or both, do not understand women. Like men they are different. Yes a single or newly-wed woman might enjoy a long-lasting session of lovemaking but I suspect with most women this wears off in time, when, for example they have to be up for work in the morning, and other things need their attention. Also there are times when a woman is more responsive than others due to the natural cycle. My own very limited experience suggests that foreplay is all important to a woman, because both partners need to be satisfied. Attention to detail, as with all things, is important in lovemaking. Making one another feel loved is all important.

  178. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 8:01 pm

    _John

    Something tells me you’ve missed your true calling – you are the Alex Comfort of this blog!

    It’s quite a pleasant experience being able to agree with you for a change. But at the same time I feel guilty – not about agreeing with you but rather at the idea that we are diverting the political pundits and heavyweights on here away from matters of state and international policy; I can somehow feel them drumming their fingers on the table impatiently and their blood pressure rising inexorably in the face of such levity.

    After all, what’s a discussion of the best shag compared to a denunciation of Mr Cameron’s latest turpitude? (although I think Craig might quite like it…)

  179. No. Not necessarily good news. The minions at the BBC will get the chop and the liars and the Zionists will remain.

  180. Worthy of the Third Reich

    US Supreme Court rejects appeal by New York Times reporter James Risen

    By Thomas Gaist
    3 June 2014

    The US Supreme Court on Monday decided not to intervene in the case of James Risen, an author and reporter who is facing imprisonment for refusing to reveal the identity of one of his sources to the government. The court, in line with the recommendation of the Obama Justice Department, rejected Risen’s petition, upholding a ruling by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Risen is a leading investigative journalist who has exposed various illegal activities carried out by the US government. His recent work includes a piece for Sunday’s New York Times, based on documents leaked by Edward Snowden, in which he documents the National Security Agency’s use of facial recognition technologies to compile facial images of hundreds of millions of people in the US and around the world.

    In his book, State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration, Risen cites information from an unnamed intelligence agent about a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operation, codenamed Operation Merlin, which sought to disrupt Iran’s nuclear program.

    /..
    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/06/03/rise-j03.html

  181. If—as Habbabkuk suggests—circumcision really did make you a better lover, men would be queuing up round the block to have it done. When you consider all the strange and weird things men willingly undergo in pursuit of this goal you’d have to conclude that, in the matter of having the foreskin removed, they are voting with their…er…I think you know what they are voting with.

  182. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 8:53 pm

    “..if—as Habbabkuk suggests—circumcision really did make you a better lover,..)

    __________________________

    Whoa there, KoWN, not so fast!

    Firstly, I didn’t suggest anything: I was just retelling things I’d heard/read about.

    Secondly, I didn’t say “better lover”, I said “better cocksman”. There is a difference (pls refer to John Goss’s comments for elucidation).

  183. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Jun, 2014 - 8:55 pm

    “No. Not necessarily good news. The minions at the BBC will get the chop and the liars and the Zionists will remain.”
    _________________

    Well, by “minions” I suppose you’re referring to the same guys on the ground (reporters, etc)you’re forever complaining about for their cowardice, partiality and so on?

    Please explain if I’m mistaken.

  184. “After all, what’s a discussion of the best shag compared to a denunciation of Mr Cameron’s latest turpitude? (although I think Craig might quite like it…)”

    I can’t speak for Craig.

    ‘Make love – not war’ was the slogan of the sixties. :) I knew someone who said he only went on the Aldermaston marches because of the ‘crumpet’. Nevertheless most of us were politically aware, as well as being sexually aware, or perhaps awake might be a better term. Back then television was not the propaganda machine it has become. So we have to multi-task. :)

    It grieves me to think of the poor people being killed in the Donbass region. It is not important enough for the BBC or other UK corporate-owned mass media channels to report. But Obama’s threat to deploy NATO troops in Ukraine is. What a topsy-turvy, arse about tit, cocked up world we live in.

  185. First Biden, then Brennan, and now US Assistant Secretary of Defense Derek Chollet. They all go to Kiev and within hours civilians die in the east. Chollet was there yesterday. They’re not even trying to hide it now. I think these fuckers want a war with Russia. They really are that crazy.

    Don’t get sidetracked by circumcision. It’s a cul-de-sac down which certain individuals will happily lead you. That’s their job.

  186. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:04 pm

    Hab has learned a lot today. Hope there is an outlet, other than the manual on manual-stimulation. Discovery is the first stop on the journey to adulthood.

  187. Agreed John. The corporate media are so clearly in lockstep with UK foreign policy, which is in lockstep with US foreign policy.

    I do wonder what the rest of the EU, especially Germany, make of the US “promise” to protect Europe by spending $1 billion. More surveillance of their leaders and more industrial espionage? I hope the rest of the EU will tell the US where to go once they realise that a confrontation with Russia, or at the very least some serious disinvestment, is on the cards if the neo-con psychos and their Drone King MC don’t relent.

    There’s a crossroads coming and the EU will have to decide which path to take.

  188. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:15 pm

    This is an old piece when his nimbus was shiny.

    http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com.br/2006/01/ideology-of-lawlessness.html

  189. That’s a good piece, Ben. Sounds a bit like papal infallibility to me. The Holy Neocon Empire, with POTUS handing out indulgences to obedient princes such as Blair.

  190. Peacewisher

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:38 pm

    The EU used to be independent of the US (c.f. the stand on GM foods, and the Kyoto Protocol). In fact, apart from governments of Spain and Italy (and UK obviously) they were pretty much against the Iraq war. So what changed… I think it may have been the elevation of Barroso (host of Bush, Bair and Azwar) and the arrival of Sarkozy. Now the EU has flipped over I can’t see it flipping back. The good news is that the people of many European countries now want to leave the EU…

  191. 1 hr 10 min in

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04573rb

    American conservative talking about American adversaries and the need for obamas
    Billion dollars fighting,

    Such a poisonous attitude in international affairs.

    All humans are a like and should be given a fair chance,
    that is not an un reasonable notion.

  192. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 9:46 pm

    Mike; The domestic front cannot be forgotten. One more major attack on US soil and we’re Soylent Green.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/03/obama-revive-domestic-terror-task-force

    The United States is re-establishing a law enforcement group to fight those it designates as domestic terrorists, with an announcement expected on Tuesday, Department of Justice officials said.

    Following hate-motivated shootings such as the one at a Jewish Community Center in Kansas City, Missouri in April, federal prosecutors have pressed the need to coordinate intelligence of such criminals on a national level, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    The group will coordinate cases that involve Americans who may be spurred to violence for political or prejudicial reasons.

  193. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 10:02 pm

    As to the legality;

    “With respect to the separate 30-day notification requirement in Section 1035(d), the Administration determined that the notification requirement should be construed ****not to apply to this unique set of circumstances****, in which the transfer would secure the release of a captive U.S. soldier and the Secretary of Defense, acting on behalf ofthe President, has determined that providing notice as specified in the statute could endanger the soldier’s life.”

    http://justsecurity.org/11134/administrations-explanation-wait-30-days-complete-bergdahl-exchange/

    This sounds similar to SCOTUS’s *one-time* diversion from the Constitution in the 2000 Presidential

  194. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    3 Jun, 2014 - 10:27 pm

    Dem Senator Wayne Morse, one of only two who voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

    “Foreign policy doesn’t belong to the President, it belongs to the American people”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiLV-Xeh8bA

  195. Is there anybody said the ….?

  196. Couldn’t resist. LOL!

  197. “There’s a crossroads coming and the EU will have to decide which path to take.”

    Very true Mike. I am surprised that Europe has not already taken into account the fact that under Yanukovich there was peace, under the interim government with Yatsenyuk at the helm there has been civil war. It is as plain as the nose on your face. But that is not the way Yatsenyuk sees it.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_03/Ukraine-files-two-lawsuits-against-Russia-in-ECHR-Yatsenyuk-1650/

    But the real truth is something entirely different, as posted by a commenter below the article. The aftermath of the Odessa fire. Contains stark images of bodies being searched for identification.

    http://filmys.com/770super-user/videos/video/547-aftermath-of-fire-in-odessa-were-many-pro-russian-activists-burned-to-death-graphic#.U44_H3YvDjI

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