The Big Gay Wedding

by craig on May 11, 2014 9:33 am in Uncategorized

As long term readers know, I love the Eurovision Song Contest. It is just so much fun and so resoundingly daft. Graham Norton’s comment last night, “it’s like the gay wedding I’ll never have”, summed it up rather well. We also learnt that Danish humour is impenetrable. Having once spent a week there living with Danish friends, I guess a country that seems to live on raw fish and raw eggs will forever shimmer beyond my comprehension. Like Hamlet’s mind – impossible to understand completely, but marvelous.

I was however saddened by the audience booing of the two young Russian girls. That was really nasty and unfair. They were scarcely more than children, for goodness sake. Putin is not their fault. That booing was an exhibition of racism; nothing else you can call it. If people wanted to make a point, they could have screamed for the Ukrainian girl – they didn’t have to boo the young Russians.

People always complain about political voting, but I think that’s half the fun. I always enjoy the voting far more than most of the singing. Last night, I think, was political voting in a wonderful way. It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be. It wasn’t the first time either – I remember a similarly gender challenging singer from Israel winning some years ago. What was even better this year, was that another stereotype was also challenged, in that Conchita swept up much support from Eastern as well as Western Europe. Let it be said that she had a damn good song too.

We voted for the Polish girls. I thought the honesty of their approach was brilliant, and reminded me of so many happy days in Warsaw in my youth. Good to see women doing the washing too.*

All in all, great fun and a life-affirming evening. Now to clear away all the mess – why did I stick all those empty Prosecco bottles on the front garden railings?

*Private joke for my friends at Russia Today media (formerly trading as Indymedia).

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389 Comments

  1. Yes you do have previous form!
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=eurovision

    What happened in 2012? There seems to be a blank. Sweden apparently won then in that outpost of democracy, Baku.

  2. Roll forward to 2019 and a hyperthetical win by a female to male gender disphoric person.
    Would a woman, feeling the man inside and with beart, equally good at singing and standing on one spot without moving, enthrall the audience, medusa like?

  3. You’re a queer, Craig, and your wife will be leaving soon.

  4. Enoch

    Now I’ve been accused of many things in my time, but I think that’s a first! Now, how did a sorry individual like you come to be on this website in the first place?

  5. You could say that about a lot of folk that frequent your Blog, but we always come back.

    We all lurv you Craig.

  6. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    I always thought the best bits of the Eurovision Song Contest, as relayed by the BBC, were the commentary by (was it?) Terry Wogan. Is the new British commentator, whoever he/she is, the same/any good?

  7. For those of you who remember the comic genius Kenny Everett’s Cupid Stunt…….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aPrOuPxLno

  8. Habbabkuk

    It is Graham Norton

    http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/may/11/eurovision-conchita-won-out-over-prejudice

    Austria creamed it, winning in style with the not-notably-heterosexual bearded drag act Conchita Wurst, who had sung a Bond anthem called, if my notes are correct, Rise Like A Penis.

    Btw, Russia awarded Ukraine 7 points and Ukraine awarded Russia 4 points.
    Russian telephone voting put Austria at No 3. Overall Russia awarded Austria 5 points. In Ukraine the Russian entry was the third most popular song in televoting (Poland and Armenia at 1 and 2).

    All the Eurovision voting stats at links below.

    http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=RU (Russian votes)
    http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=UA (Ukraine votes)

  9. Very odd that the audience, most of which could not have pointed to Crimea on a map a few months ago, were so well drilled at booing the Russian contenders whenever they appeared or were mentioned.

    I know the Russians take the contest very seriously, but they should withdraw from it on the grounds that the it has been turned from a singing contest into an EU propaganda platform and degenerate freak show.

    And when did Turkey, Azerbaijan and least of all, Israel, become part of Europe?

  10. The audience’s pathetic booing of Russia’s teenage Tolmachevy twins is the reason I voted for them (by landline and mobile).

  11. My favourites were Vicky Leandros with Apres Toi and My Love is Blue. Going back a bit!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka89ORFu_Tc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkwzkOs82g#t=113

  12. Israel televoting put the Russians at No 3 as well.

    History of European Broadcasting Union – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Broadcasting_Union

    Israel joined in 1957

    Ukraine came 6th
    Russia 7th.
    UK 17th

    Ukraine and Russia both gave zero points to the UK.

  13. Thanks for that, Squonk. You’re the Bill Frindall of Eurovision stats. Well done to Russell Brand for the winning song anyway.

  14. Anybody who boos the Russians for being Russian, needs to step back and look into the mirror.

    What other people in modern times has thrown off the evil yoke of socialism by their own courage? First by defeating the Nazis, and then by defeating Communism, despite the huge financial support from its international Jewish sponsors; Russians have won through against the odds.

    Meanwhile the west becomes ever more morally corrupt, not knowing a hawk from a heron; arse from quim; or piety from virtue.

  15. Squonk

    “Austria creamed it, winning in style with the not-notably-heterosexual bearded drag act Conchita Wurst, who had sung a Bond anthem called, if my notes are correct, Rise Like A Penis.”

    I’m told that Conchita is slang for a pussy and Wurst is, of course, a sausage.

    Which brings me to Craig’s “It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be.”.

    Yes, a bearded lady calling itself a cockgina could be considered “gender-challenging” I suppose. Defininitely a PhD in there somewhere.

  16. “Meanwhile the west becomes ever more morally corrupt”

    Ah, but s/he was challenging genderisms, you see. And that “Peace and Unity” bit at the end had the bien-pensant liberal elite gushing with delight as they sipped their Proseccos.

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 4:32 pm

    “And that “Peace and Unity” bit at the end had the bien-pensant liberal elite gushing with delight”
    _________________

    A particularly well-chosen metaphor in the context of a song sung by a Wurst, if I may say so.

    Nevermind pls confirm.

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 4:41 pm

    “What other people in modern times has thrown off the evil yoke of socialism by their own courage? First by defeating the Nazis, and then by defeating Communism, despite the huge financial support from its international Jewish sponsors; Russians have won through against the odds.”
    _________________

    Something a bit strange about that comment, Jimmy Giro.

    Are you saying that Communism (and perhaps the Nazis) received huge financial support from international Jewish sponsors, or did you mean that it was the Russian people that received this huge financial support (in which case they wouldn’t have thrown off the yoke of socialism “by their own courage)?

    If the former, then we are in the realm of pure nonsense; if the latter, then you are contradicting yourself.

    Please take lessons in greater drafting clarity. There are any number of commenters on here who would, I’m sure, be delighted to help…

  19. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 4:46 pm

    “Habbabkuk

    It is Graham Norton”
    _________________

    Thank you, AlcAnon. Is his approach to presenting the contest similar to Terry Wogan’s?

  20. Anon seems to have changed avatars since 7 May
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/dysfunction-in-nigeria/#comment-456718
    or changed e-mail address/IP address?

    Or maybe that is another Anon commenting above.

    Anyway, no need to being everything down to lowest common denominator.

  21. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    Mary

    “Anon seems to have changed avatars since 7 May
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/dysfunction-in-nigeria/#comment-456718
    or changed e-mail address/IP address?

    Or maybe that is another Anon commenting above.”
    _________________

    You said something similar about me, albeit on Squonk’s blog.

    Are you in anyway related to Miss Marple?

  22. s/be Anyway, there is no need to bring everything down to the lowest common denominator.

  23. The Dutch entry that came runner-up was actually very good imo.

  24. @ Haveacock (Lack a bell-end)

    What other people in modern times have thrown off the evil yoke of socialism by their own courage? First by defeating the Nazis; and then by defeating Communism. Despite the huge financial support for socialist systems, by international Jewish sponsors, Russians have won through, against the odds.

    Any better?

  25. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 7:16 pm

    Jimmy Giro

    That’s much better, thanks for making the effort.

    Could you now flesh out, with examples, your thought that international Jewish sponsors provided huge financial support for socialist systems?

  26. I agree Jimmy booing, hooting or cat-calling Russians is not using our intelligence. Perhaps we need to look closely at ourselves. What do we believe?

    We cheer whistle-blowers here. They risk everything to expose distortion of the truth, subterfuge and corruption.

    Annie Machon gives us the insight we need to awaken intractable, mulish and pig headed minds; to realise we are all dispensable, trivial cogs in a merciless, apathetic and venomous machine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwDNW0_O18w

    With love and thanks.

  27. Quite a number of comments from Anonymous. Busy person. Funny name. Or else, embarrassed to put a name to kooky comments.

  28. Bankers funded communists to topple the Tsar, because he wanted to remain outside their system of debt slavery.

    Job done.

    They then funded the Nazis to topple the communists, hoping to then bring Russia within their financial control.

    Failed.

    Not used to losing, they then snatched a victory of sorts by portraying this emboldened USSR as a threat to the US and Europe, enabling them to build up their military power within the West.

    Soviet Union collapses.

    The bankers think they’ve won. Their people are sent in to rape and plunder Russian resources. They talk nobly of globalisation, the global village and how happy we’ll all be in this new world. For good measure they undermine Russia’s European friend, Serbia.

    Then, amidst massive destruction of Russian lives and economy, Putin comes to power, throws the bankers friends out and creates a sovereign currency.

    Things improve for Russia, and the bankers realise they’ll now have to do it bit by bit.

    First thing they do is neutralize those smaller energy rich countries, for fear they may consider selling energy in a currency other than USD. They realise that this would collapse the dollar, since the only thing holding the heavily indebted US together is the maintenance of the dollar as reserve currency.

    Iraq, Libya and Sudan are dispatched to chaos and slaughter. Iran is next for the same treatment, but first they must destroy Syria.

    They fail in Syria.

    Now they realise they’ll have to fatally undermine Russia itself.

    Luckily, all the while they’ve been hoovering up former Warsaw Pact countries on Russia’s borders, failing in Georgia and with Ukraine still ongoing. By these means they hope to weaken Russia enough that she’ll submit or at worst she’ll quickly be defeated in any nuclear engagement.

    That’s where we are.

    This is a fight where the result will be one of two outcomes. Either the West wins overall control and the dollar remains dominant, or it collapses to nothing.

    These are Banker wars.

    In order to better fight this war, Western countries removed banking controls in the 1990s. All the financial chaos and misery you see about you is a product of that, and is enabling bankers to hoover up Western resources.

    They’ve been thinking ahead. You see, even if the dollar loses this battle the bankers will have amassed enough material wealth to sustain themselves as power moves east. Even when they lose, they win.

    If the West loses, many western countries will be placed under fascist rule as this is the tried and tested way of preserving elite wealth during what will be a time of economic stasis and mass poverty in the US and much of the West.

    One thing’s for sure. Ordinary people will suffer. They always do in bankers wars.

  29. Glenn Greenwald wipes the floor with banker military and academic muppets:

    “The actual debate starts about 27 minutes into the video below”

    http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/watch_glenn_greenwald_debate_the_former_head_of_the_nsa_20140507

  30. @ Mark Golding

    I love Annie’s voice.

  31. Testing to see if I am banned. JM

  32. JM

    No, why would you be?

  33. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    11 May, 2014 - 11:28 pm

    Herbie; The only doors GG is blowing off is the door of dissemenation. You should look at comments on Intercept. Muscle atrophy caused by lack of use.

  34. Well done Herbie, a good summation of the Machiavillian maneouverings that are underway to preserve the petrodollar, and the root source of American exceptionalism.
    The muppets continue in buy into the anti Russian propaganda emanating from the US Ministry of Lies & Fabrication.
    The methods of Lous Edward Bernays have been well honed by the US spin machine.

  35. In a few years maybe Scotland will be allowed its’ own entry into the ESC ?

    Might I suggest a bunch of kilted bagpipe blowing men ( no underware to be worn of course to keep up tradition) wallowing around in a sea of crude oil, and a caber tossing transvestite as background amusement. Perhaps Alex Salmond as the front man, it doesn’t matter if he can sing or not nor does it matter too much about the song, only the performance and any implied or overt political message.

  36. They are already in rehearsal mode, it’s the Euro connection.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7OnzJhM5i4

  37. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 May, 2014 - 2:25 am

    Richard Clarke, lol. Shill.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKIVlxUm0o

  38. Shills???

    This feckin blog is full of them.

  39. James Mason,

    It’s a testament to Craig’s tolerance you aint banned.

    Your historical posts were abysmal,nasty.

    But feel free to start again.

    I only do contrary late night posts to noise up the trolls,deflectively,so Mary gets a clean posting run early doors…:.)

    The fools haven’t figured that out yet…lol.

  40. Jives. LOL! Ta.

    72% of the great British public do not trust politicians according to a new You Gov poll. Well. Surprise! Surprise!

  41. All you ever wanted to know as to the reasons behind the Ukainian crisis. Long article , but then there are a lot of cooks in that particular kitchen, that brought it to the boil, but burned the dinner.

    http://www.outsiderclub.com/warning-the-ukraine-is-at-a-flashpoint/960

  42. Ba'al Zevul (The Sun Has Got His Hat On)

    12 May, 2014 - 8:43 am

    I once watched that Eurovision Song Contest. Never again.

  43. Thanks Salford Lad for the article. Not much new there but accurate nonetheless. I left a comment, waiting approval.

    “Good article.

    ‘Of course, those are just the wars we know about.’ If my memory serves correctly the US, according to Russia Today, has taken military intervention in 360 countries since 1945.

    Wake up world. There is a wolf huffing and puffing at your door..If you have a house of straw, it will fall. If you have a house of wood, it will fall. Unfortunately, if you have a house of brick, it too will fall. This is one big, bad wolf!”

  44. craigmurray.org.uk

    12 May, 2014 - 9:26 am

    James Mason, no your not banned, it was mistaken identity. Sorry.

  45. “The EU and US have deemed the polls illegal, and Ukraine’s interim government called the vote a “farce”.”

    But elections held in Iraq during US occupation were a “triumph of democracy”.

    Funny, that.

  46. In a country where spivs and crooks make it big, the chief spiv defends a tax avoider and says he shouldn’t lose his OBE. Barlow has done a lot for his ‘country’ and for ‘charidee’. Quite so Mr Barlow – the National Society for the Avoidance of Tax.

    Take That star Gary Barlow should keep OBE – Cameron
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27364089

    He was speaking to the airhead ex BBC Breakfast presenter turned Strictly Come Dancing finalist who negotiated herself a £1m pa contract with Mr Crozier’s ITV, he latterly of Royal Mail.

    Adam Crozier earned over £8m in 2013
    ITV chief’s remuneration rises by 189% on 2012, boosted by shares awarded in 2010 and company’s performance share plan
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/20/adam-crozier-eight-million-pay-2013

    Before ITV, he was in receipt of some £millions from the Royal Mail.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246760/Adam-Crozier-gets-ITV-job-Royal-Mail-debacle.html

    PS Ms Reid on ITV’s Breakfast programme is dire, as the ratings show. Should have stuck with the sequins and fake tan Susanna. A silly woman.
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/367811/Breakfast-show-presenter-Susannah-Reid-in-tug-of-war-with-ex-partner-for-child-custody

    PPS It’s all $millions now. Have you noticed?

  47. Paul Edward Winston White, Baron Hanningfield:

    Hanningfield’s was charged with six counts of false accounting and his trial at Chelmsford Crown Court began on 16 May 2011. Prosecuting counsel Clare Montgomery QC accused Hanningfield of claiming for overnight stays in London when he had in fact returned to his home in Essex.

    On one occasion, when he claimed reimbursement for an overnight stay in London, he was actually on a plane to India.

    He was sentenced to nine months’ imprisonment.

    Todays news from the BBC:

    Lord Hanningfieln ordered to repay [another] £3,300 expenses and suspended from the Lords until end of current Parliament.

    I wonder why he hasn’t been charged with fraud this time. He seems to be a repeat offender.

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:17 am

    Mr Scorgie

    “Lord Hanningfieln ordered to repay [another] £3,300 expenses and suspended from the Lords until end of current Parliament.

    I wonder why he hasn’t been charged with fraud this time. He seems to be a repeat offender.”
    ___________________

    Possibly because it wasn’t a case of false accounting (fraud) this time?

    Can you provide more information on why he had to repay £3.300 expenses, to justify your comment, which I note you have framed carefully in order to – just – avoid libelling the Noble Lord?

    Thanks.

  49. More like Nobhead Lord, print and be damned.

  50. I read about that Doug and gave a wry smile to myself.

    To be suspended I note! Not from the yard arm we trust.

    Lord Hanningfield set to be suspended over expenses breach
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27373115

    A pretence of justice served and delivered. Just a drop in the ocean of course. No mention of the lobby groups and the profiteering of many others in both ‘hices’.

  51. Spendthrifts in what is the land of plenty for some.

    19 March 2013 L
    ord Hanningfield office at Essex County Council spending published
    Lord Hanningfield Lord Hanningfield was leader of Essex County Council from 2001 until 2010

    Hanningfield wins damages action
    Expenses fraud peer could be sued
    Peer spent £286k on council card

    Staff who worked for the disgraced peer Lord Hanningfield spent about £70,000 on Essex County Council credit cards in his last two-and-half years there.

    Lord Hanningfield was jailed in 2011 for falsely claiming £28,000 in parliamentary expenses.

    The council office staff spending details released cover 2007 to 2010.

    The authority said although some of the purchases would not now be deemed “wholly necessary” they were “legitimate” at the time.

    Staff purchases included tens of thousands of pounds on travel to places such as Washington, Delhi, Shanghai, Helsinki, Hong Kong and the Caribbean.

    ‘Legitimate at time’

    Other items bought include £180 on suit hire for a trip to Royal Ascot, a stay at The Goring in Belgravia and a £185.50 meal at Loch Fyne where arrangements for the annual budget were finalised.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-21841873

  52. No Need for Bitterness
    by Paul Lojeski / May 11th, 2014

    Look, don’t put
    yourself out on
    my account. If

    you can’t pay
    me a living wage
    or the minimum

    wage or any wage
    at all, don’t worry
    about it, be happy

    cause it’s all the
    same groove,
    whether the road

    to riches beyond
    imagination or the
    wheel of bone

    breaking poverty
    beyond conception,
    it doesn’t matter.

    This is, after all,
    the American dream
    and dreams are

    often nightmares.
    That’s the way it is,
    so pay me whatever

    you want to or don’t
    pay me a plug nickel
    but, please, do me

    a favor and take your
    fucking boot from off
    my bleeding neck.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/no-need-for-bitterness/

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:48 am

    And back on topic – the Eurovision song contest 2014.

    Thought readers might be interested in the following, out of good ol’ Russia.

    A respectable continental newspaper reports as follows (my translation):

    “While the Eurovision song contest has already provided the stage for other demands for human rights and tolerance, this is the first time that a country – Russia – has intervened in such a way in the very organisation of the contest.

    When the Austrian victory was announced, the Russian vice-premier Dmitri Rogozine confirmed on Twitter his poor opinion of Conchita Wurts’ appearance on the show by opining that the result of the Eurovision contest “has given the supporters of European integration a glimpse if what awaits them if they join Europe, ie., a bearded girl”. For his part, the nationalist Vladimir Jirinovsky, speaking on the Russian public TV station Rossiya-1, stressed that “our indignation knows no bounds. This is the end of Europe. Europe has gone mad. There aren’t any men and women there any longer, just “its” instead.”.

    Nice guys! :)

    ********************

    “Life has become better, life has become merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1934)

  54. Ba'al Zevul (The Sun Has Got His Hat On)

    12 May, 2014 - 11:48 am

    ‘Big Gay Wedding?’

    On this day of all days (as my local ATM informed me this morning), Craig. Tut.

    http://dayagainsthomophobia.org/

  55. You are quite right about the shame of booing those poor Russian girls. I felt very badly for them. It was boorish. Certainly not worthy of any event with the name Europe in it.
    Is there any way to let them know that that was an aberration and that many Europeans want to apologize to them. Maybe a collective temporary site on your – or another’s – blog which gets thousands of signatures and cheerful comments to wish them well?

  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:54 am

    Mary

    Is that what you call poetry?

    For many lovers of poetry, it would simply be (not very illuminating) prose broken up into three-lone “verses”.

    What do the lovers of poetry on this blog – there are some who would see themselves as such – think of this effort? Short expletives allowed!

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:56 am

    “Maybe a collective temporary site on your – or another’s – blog which gets thousands of signatures and cheerful comments to wish them well?”
    _____________________

    Don’t be so foolish.

    Or are you just guying readers? :)

  58. @Habby: So it looks as if Eurovision 2014 has had the unexpected consequence of further uniting Russia.

  59. Here in Vienna it certainly cheered us up.Winners at last.
    We’ve got the Life Ball coming up at the end of the month too.
    Bill Clinton makes his annual visit to the TGBL party against AIDS.
    I can see this bearded Tranny thing taking off.
    Spain was more to my taste. A diva without a beard.

  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 1:59 pm

    Peacewisher

    “@Habby: So it looks as if Eurovision 2014 has had the unexpected consequence of further uniting Russia.”
    ________________

    Absolutely! Several different strands of political opinion in Russia are united in their tolerance for LGTGs. Lovely place :)

  61. From the Sky report of the Rolf Harris trial –

    ‘The woman also told the court her mother had told her “never to trust a man with a beard”.

    Now what about a woman with a beard like Ms Wurst?

  62. Exclusive: Tory MP complains that ‘trendy intellectuals’ voted for ‘transvestite’ to win EurovisionPinkNews Exclusive.

    Tory MP Gordon Henderson has posted a rant about Eurovision winner Conchita Wurst, claiming that “trendy intellectuals” voted for a “transvestite” to win.

    Drag artist Conchita Wurst, played by Tom Neuwirth, was crowned the winner of yesterday’s contest, winning 290 points despite causing controversy in Eastern Europe.

    The Sittingbourne and Sheppey MP wrote on his Facebook page: “Some questions about tonight’s Eurovision Song Contest.

    “How can a bearded man with a rubbish song from a ‘second divison’ EU country dressed as a woman win?”

    “Why is it that the UK with the best pop industry in the World always do so badly? Does anybody care?”

    /..
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/05/11/exclusive-tory-mp-complains-that-trendy-intellectuals-voted-for-transvestite-to-win-eurovision/

    He spends a lot of time filling in questionnaires.
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=24828

    Otherwise Tory lobby fodder. http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24828/gordon_henderson/sittingbourne_and_sheppey/votes

    but the non Tory politician he most admires is Farage! That will not go down very well at Millbank Tower.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Henderson_(politician)

  63. Sexual orientation is not important I repeat sexual orientation is not important.

    Further more many things are important I repeat many things are important.

    Human rights because of sexual orientation are important.

    Sexual orientation is not important!

    Environmental and welfare is animals and plants included equally.

  64. Or Mary.

    “A man with a beard has something to hide.”

    Yes, his chin.

    Actually the Russian word for chin is podborodok (Подбородок) which literally means ‘under the beard’. Whereas chin (чин) in Russian means rank, as in degree, rather than smell. Interesting but useless fact, unless you have a use for it. :)

  65. Ba'al Zevul (The Sun Has Got His Hat On)

    12 May, 2014 - 2:56 pm

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 2:56 pm

    Mary

    Yes, Tory MP Gordon Henderson sounds almost as nasty as Russian vice-premier Dmitro Rogozine and red-fascist leader Vladimir Jirinovsky, doesn’t he.

    The difference being that he doesn’t have any bands of fascist thugs at his disposal, ready and eager to beat up (or worse) gays, lesbians and transgender people.

    Thank God we live in the UK.

    Although not a LGTG, I love the UK!

  67. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    As opposed to some, who “hate” the UK :)

  68. and don’t mess with Mrs Netanyahu.

    ‘Rivlin appears to have suffered a similar fate to others who expected major promotions from the prime minister only to get on the bad side of Sara. I’ve recounted a number of times how this happened to Yitzhak Ilan, who expected to be named Shabak chief, only to lose out to the eventual victor, Yoram Cohen. Madame LaFarge also got her revenge on Rivlin as this news account notes (Hebrew and English):

    Rivlin alluded to a cabal presided over by Bibi’s wife, and Avigdor Lieberman which worked to drive him from the Knesset speakership. “Seems to me there were only three people who didn’t want me to have the job. That is the chairman of Yisrael Beitenu and the prime minister.” Rivlin didn’t mention Sara Netanyahu by name, but referred to her as “the person always in the center of things but always behind the scene. I don’t go into gossip and such things.”’

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/05/12/sara-netanyahus-machinations-to-prevent-rivlin-from-winning-presidency/

  69. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 May, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Palestinians don’t hate the geography of Palestine, just because it’s controlled by fascists in disguise. The land hasn’t done anything wrong in the UK either.

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    Mary

    “…and don’t mess with Mrs Netanyahu.”
    ________________

    Your point is….?

  71. Freedonia Liberation Army

    12 May, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    OT but hilarious. US shitheads explaining our complex modern world.

    http://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ukraine-pakistan-erreur-cnn.jpg

  72. AlcAnon yesterday 3.29pm

    The voting really was strange.

    Eurovision voting figures show juries and public clash
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27371264

    I noted that in the UK viewers had to phone in with their votes. No using the app. Lovely jubbly for BT and the other providers.

  73. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 11:17 am

    “Possibly because it wasn’t a case of false accounting (fraud) this time?”

    Well Habbabkuk, I just wondered why, with his history of criminality, the police were not asked to investigate.

    Of course it could all be down to a misunderstanding of the “rules” or a “clerical error” an “oversight on his part” or a “memory lapse”

    “Lord Hanningfield claims he had to fiddle expenses to look after his Chickens”

    http://www.news.nom.co/lord-hanningfield-claims-he-had-to-9291226-news/

    In my book that’s fraud.

    If he has committed fraud he should be back behind bars.

    Don’t you agree Habbabkuk?

  74. BrianFujisan

    12 May, 2014 - 6:44 pm

    Amazing how The Guardian Journalists perceive Thon J. Clarkson Rhyme scandal… more outrageous than.. the Illegal Slaughter we have engaged in… these last several years… a great response to it By the Guys at Medialens

    ” ….And this is the great lie of the Guardian, that it is not also the ‘pumping heart’ of the establishment, that it has not itself played a key role in facilitating the devastation of democracy at home and wars of aggression abroad. The lie is that the Guardian is offering us hope of something different, when in fact it supplies more of the same, or worse.

    Writer and researcher Alice Bell, who has appeared regularly in the Guardian since 2010, also joined the bandwagon suggesting to her Twitter followers:

    ‘If you haven’t complained to the BBC about Clarkson, but think you’d like to, this is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

    We asked Bell:

    ‘How many complaints have you suggested for BBC journalists who helped make war possible in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya?’

    Bell replied:

    ‘there are many things the BBC have done that piss me off that I haven’t bothered to tweet a link to the complaints page for.’

    Bell, it seems, ‘bothered’ to tweet about Clarkson’s ‘eeny, meeny’ scandal but not about her government’s responsibility for some of the great crimes of modern history.

    This is a common and disastrous theme in contemporary society. As long as we are willing to perceive, or deem ourselves responsible for, only one small part of our world, the suffering of the world as a whole can be overlooked, or declared beyond our job spec: ‘I’m an oil executive, it’s not my job to protect the climate.’ ‘I’m an arms manufacturer, it’s not my job to prevent people killing each other.’ ‘I’m a science writer, it’s not my job to comment on my government’s war crimes.’

    As Jean-Jacques Rousseau wrote:

    ‘We have physicists, geometricians, chemists, astronomers, musicians and painters in plenty, but we no longer have a citizen among us.’

    Good piece here @

    http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2014/764-eeny-meeny.html

  75. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 7:06 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 11:48 am

    “A respectable continental newspaper reports as follows (my translation):”

    Which respectable continental newspaper Habbabkuk?

    This is not the first time you mentioned “a respectable newspaper” and failed to give a link to it. I think the last one was a French paper.

    You didn’t link to that paper and you again translated it yourself.

    We don’t need you to translate anything Habbabkuk; just give us the link.

    I for one don’t trust the veracity of your postings, as your poor record in dealing with facts indicates.

    However, if what you say is genuine you could provide the link.

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “If he has committed fraud he should be back behind bars.

    Don’t you agree Habbabkuk?”
    ______________

    I do indeed, Doug. The operative word being “if”.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Well Habbabkuk, I just wondered why, with his history of criminality, the police were not asked to investigate.”
    ______________

    Keep wondering, Doug, and come back to us once you’ve found the answer. With links, of course! :)

  77. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 7:25 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “However, if what you say is genuine you could provide the link.”
    ___________________

    You’ll just have to take my word for it, I’m afraid.

    What do you think about Messrs Rogozine’s and Jirinovsky’s utterances? Do you agree with them? I’ll let you speak for yourself, of course.

  78. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 7:29 pm

    Regime change in Venezuela still on US agenda?

    “Venezuelan Policeman Killed by Sniper While Clearing Protest Barricade in Caracas”
    May 9th

    “Yesterday at noon, Rafael Celestino Albino Arteaga, 44, Vargas state chief of the Venezuelan Bolivarian Intelligence Service (SEBIN), was shot dead by an unidentified male assailant in a shopping mall in the western city of Maracay.”

    “This marks the second murder of a Venezuelan intelligence officer in recent weeks, the first being Eliecer Otaiza…”
    May 11th

  79. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 7:38 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 7:25 pm

    “You’ll just have to take my word for it, I’m afraid.”

    I can’t do that Habbabkuk because you have a history of disingenuous posts.

    “What do you think about Messrs Rogoziane’s and Jirinovsky’s utterances?”

    I can’t say Habbabkuk because you haven’t provided a link to that respectable newspaper.

    Is what you said genuine or did you make it up? No-one can be sure with you Habbabkuk.

    A link might help clear your name.

  80. ” Putin is not their fault.”

    What you trying say here? That Putin is somehow more of a war criminal that, say, David Cameron of Tripoli, or Barak Obama of Odessa?

    Seems to me Putin is among the more sane national leaders, which is fortunate, since otherwise the US would already succeeded in using Nulandistan to ignite a world war.

  81. from the venerable schoolmaster, usually heard berating others for their mistakes, an easy score for him.

    Maybe he would like to use this opportunity to castigate/castrate himself for a change.

    “When the Austrian victory was announced, the Russian vice-premier Dmitri Rogozine confirmed on Twitter his poor opinion of Conchita Wurts’ appearance on the show by opining that the result of the Eurovision contest “has given the supporters of European integration a glimpse if what awaits them if they join Europe, ie., a bearded girl”.

    So you think that Dmitri twittered ‘ Wurts’ and not Wurst,the correct term for sausage, did you?
    You have to show us that he made this mistakes and not you, otherwise you’d look a right charlie, would you not, dear?

  82. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 8:26 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Is what you said genuine or did you make it up? No-one can be sure with you Habbabkuk.”
    __________________

    The record of the current Russian govt, as well as that of other left-fascists like Mr Jirinovsky, is such that I don’t need to make anything up, Doug; their words are well documented and their opinions well known.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ““What do you think about Messrs Rogoziane’s and Jirinovsky’s utterances?”

    I can’t say Habbabkuk because you haven’t provided a link to that respectable newspaper.”

    __________________

    You’re being evasive, because you were invited to say what you thought about their sentiments. Could you explain how not having the link prevents you from letting us know whether or not you approve of those sentiments?

    Failure to give us your opinion would lead to one of the following two conclusions:

    1/. You agree with the sentiments expressed by Messrs Rogozine and Jirinovsky

    or

    2/. You disagree but, for some reason why can only guess at, do not wish to say so.

    Your choice, Doug.

  83. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    Nevermind

    “So you think that Dmitri twittered ‘ Wurts’ and not Wurst,the correct term for sausage, did you?
    You have to show us that he made this mistakes and not you, otherwise you’d look a right charlie, would you not, dear?”
    __________________

    Actually, the whole newspaper article (including the bit I quoted) gave the singer’s surname as “Wurts”.

  84. Scouse Billy

    12 May, 2014 - 8:46 pm

    ConSpeccy, re.”Putin is not their fault”

    I was wondering too what our host meant.

    Here, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts – former US Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy – gives a detailed analysis of the crisis in Ukraine, and an assessment of the Western propaganda war being waged against Russia.

    Setting the discussion in the context of decades of US imperialism, and identifying the current crisis as largely agitated by Washington through its NGOs, Dr. Roberts reveals how Ukraine fits into the neocon game plan for world hegemony. But, as he explains, this insane goal for a nuclear “checkmate” by Washington against its geopolitical opponents on The Grand Chess Board is reckless in the extreme; for just like WWI, it could spiral out of control, but unlike WWI, it could lead to Armageddon.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k11v8WOVT2U

  85. Prediction of next years winners harmonious farting lesbians?

    OK Guff over…
    Craig may I ask you to read this.
    Huseyin Celil, Serving Life Sentence In China, ‘Forgotten’ By Canada, Says His Wife
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/07/05/huseyin-celil-china-life-sentence-uighur-minority_n_1650283.html

  86. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 May, 2014 - 10:10 pm

    “Prediction of next years winners harmonious farting lesbians?”

    From your mouth to Craig’s ears. I think you’ve just titled his next post.

  87. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:39 pm

    Scouse Billy

    It’s interesting to see how a number of commenters on this blog never fail to attempt to give credence to Dr Roberts’ pronouncements by reminding us that he is a ” former US Assistant Secretary of the Treasury”.

    May I point out that Dr Roberts was an AS for all of 11 months over 30 years ago and that there were (and still are) around 11 ASs at the US Treasury? Moreover, there are some hundreds of thousands of PhDs in the United States.

    It is clear to anyone who follows him on Counterpunch and on other fora that the man is a hayseed and is not to be taken seriously.

  88. Habbacack – you are entitled to your(?) opinion.

    All you managed there was an ad hominem and a qualification to my correct representation of him.

    I don’t normally engage trolls especially bottom of the barrel species but I am making an exception just this once.

    Here’s another respected geo-political analyst, William Engdahl with a very similar take on the Ukraine situation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiBdbm_B9jg

  89. re.”Putin is not their fault”

    I was wondering too what our host meant.

    Here’s the source of the mindset, probably:

    The World According to TIME Magazine

  90. @Scouse Billy: That guy really understands his history!

    I’ve been digging around Wikipedia gathering information on Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, but William fills in the gaps and puts it all in context. Can’t repeat the YouTube URL but highly recommended.

    Why wasn’t NATO abandoned after the collapse of the Soviet Union?

  91. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 1:01 am

    ConSpeccy, indeed, although there are many neo-con mouthpieces or gobshites in my vernacular.

    This is a very different mind set – whether or not there are any dots to connect is, as yet, unclear:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f7wOxw4fQI

    ;)

  92. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 1:12 am

    Peacewisher, yes Engdahl is one of the good guys – his exposee of Monsanto, Seeds of Destruction cooked the GMO goose to a fair extent in China.

    See above link (reply to ConSpeccy) if you’re into Joseph P Farrell’s work – recent interview with Catherine Austin Fitts

  93. Eurovision, originally conceived as a means of unifying a war-torn Europe, was arguably the most visible symbol of European unity prior to the European Union. In keeping with political trends, the former Eastern bloc countries were invited to join the contest shortly after the breakup of the Soviet Union.

    In 2012, Turkey surprised Israel by sending Can Bonomo, a Jewish singer to represent 99.7% Muslim nation.

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/01/21/jew-singer-represents-turkey-at-2012-eurovision-song-contest/

  94. FROM Prof Michael Hudson;
    Finance in today’s world has become war by non-military means. Its object is the same as that of military conquest: appropriation of land and basic infrastructure, and the rents that can be extracted as tribute. In today’s world this is taken mainly in the form of debt service and privatization. That is how neoliberalism works, subduing economies by indebting their governments and using unpayably high debts as a lever to pry away the public domain at distress prices. It is what today’s New Cold War is all about. Backed by the IMF and European Central Bank (ECB) as knee-breakers in what has become in effect a financial extension of NATO, the aim is for U.S. and allied investors to appropriate the plums that kleptocrats have taken from the public domain of Russia, Ukraine and other post-Soviet economies in these countries, as well as whatever assets remain.

    In a recent interview in The New York Review of Books, George Soros outlines what he thinks should be done for the Ukraine. It should “encourage its companies to improve their management by finding European partners.”[2]

    This means that kleptocrats should sell major ownership shares in their companies to Westerners. This would give the West a stake in protecting them, pressuring their government to tax labor rather than the wealthy, and helping them cash out and keep their takings in London and New York to finance Western economies, not that of Ukraine.
    http://michael-hudson.com/2014/05/the-new-cold-wars-ukraine-gambit/

  95. “It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be. ”

    That is slave mentality, how someone from being an innocent child becomes someone portraying themselves in that way reflects society’s present inane situation.

    As man once said ” it’s all bullshit”

  96. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 9:13 am

    @ Jay -(Re: “It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be. ”)

    What you said. Also it rather discounts the practical outcome of one lot of humans wanting to be (say)evangelical Protestants alongside another lot wanting to be (say) doctrinaire Catholics, while each party wants to fulfil itself by converting the other. Or humans who want to be career serial killers…

    More. It’s a tangible expression of infantilisation. Which, from the dumbed-down weather forecast to the babyish shellsuit and the McDonald’s cult of instant gratification, to say nothing of the increased prevalence of men weeping in public, is an intentional means of preventing people thinking for themselves.

    Maybe when we have dealt with needs we can allow ourselves to deal with wants?

  97. I agree Craig, I have never before heard an act being booed, and it was indeed shocking.

    Look on the bright side. After Scottish independence, I imagine Scotland would have to qualify for the finals. ENWI, of course, would retain their “permanent seat” therefore continuing to receive their “veto”… no points. (Only a joke folks).

    I do not believe it would change the audience share of British viewers though. As you are right. There is something compulsive about this intriguing spectacle.

  98. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 8:26 pm

    [to me] “You’re being evasive…”

    From your original post Habbabkuk on 12 May, 2014 – 11:48 am you said:

    “A respectable continental newspaper reports as follows (my translation)…”

    I asked you to provide a link to that newspaper so I could check for myself but you have refused to provide that link or even the title of the newspaper.

    I accept that what the two Russians said is widely reported but; which “respectable continental newspaper” were you quoting from?

  99. Eurovision Gay Wedding?Who cares what flavour they are?A musician friend of mine once said that the only way to get on in music business is the gay way. Without wishing to sound homophobic,it all smacks of just another chapter in social engineering.There always has been and will be gay peoples but to have it pushed down our throats at every turn is beginning to drive me insane.The Moscow Olympics became the focus of the Gay movement,the hard sell gay’s better than being closet heterosexual.But the Arab dictatorships can carry on punishing their gay peoples.No desert song contest for them.

  100. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 11:33 am

    Mr Scorgie

    “I asked you to provide a link to that newspaper so I could check for myself”
    _____________________

    What is it you need to “check”?

    Obviously not the fact that they said what they did, because you yourself have said that you “accept that what the two Russians said is widely reported”.

    Is it my translation you wish to check?

  101. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 8:32 pm

    “Actually, the whole newspaper article (including the bit I quoted) gave the singer’s surname as “Wurts”.”

    Which newspaper was that Habbabkuk?

  102. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 11:39 pm

    [on Paul Craig Roberts]

    “…the man is a hayseed and is not to be taken seriously.”

    A bit like you then Habbabkuk.

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    13 May, 2014 – 11:33 am

    “Mr Scorgie, What is it you need to “check”?”

    Habbabkuk, you are being very evasive about this so-called “respectable continental newspaper”

    Why won’t you give the link?

    What have you got to hide Habbabkuk?

  104. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 12:23 pm

    I do read your posts, Doug, but I am addicted to Habbabreak, and forced only to read what others quote from the idiot H. I think you should continue to press him for his source for what was presumably a vacuous and/or unconstructive remark, though of course I cannot be sure.

    It’s interesting to see what H considers to be a ‘hayseed’ in terms of general accomplishment. I hope I have the right Paul Craig Roberts here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts

    He has taken positions different from former Republican allies, opposing the War on Drugs and the War on Terror, and criticizing Israel’s policies and actions against the Palestinians.

    I dare say H’s snidery has something to do with that. Or maybe it’s just that he thinks for himself?

    I’m moved to get hold of The Failure of Laissez-Faire Capitalism and the Economic Erosion of the West (2012), anyway. Thanks for the heads-up!

  105. @ Scouse Billy ,

    If Habba had his own opinions it would be fine, but he spouts what his employers pay him to

    spout.Didn’t we get script that could block him from our personal logins ?

  106. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 12:35 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 8:32 pm

    “Actually, the whole newspaper article (including the bit I quoted) gave the singer’s surname as “Wurts”.”

    Which newspaper was that Habbabkuk?”
    _______________________

    A respectable francophone publication, Doug – but which may have inverted the last two letters of the singer’s name.

    Is it my translation you wish to “check”? Failing a rapid reply to this question, I shall consider correspondence closed on this issue (only until the next time I post quotations from other newspapers, of course)

    Have a nice day now!

  107. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 12:42 pm

    “Or maybe it’s just that he thinks for himself?” (above)
    Should read: “Or maybe it’s just that Roberts thinks for himself?”

    The proposition that H might think for himself is obviously absurd.

  108. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 12:53 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    Anyway, after some half-successful attempts at diversion from you, let’s get back to the real question, which is :

    Which of these following tqo conclusions is correct:

    1/. You agree with the sentiments expressed by Messrs Rogozine and Jirinovsky

    or

    2/. You disagree but, for some reason why can only guess at, do not wish to say so.

    Your choice, Doug. Off you go, laddie!

  109. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 12:54 pm

    Baa’Zevul

    “I do read your posts, Doug, but I am addicted to Habbabreak,….

    _____________________

    …..which is very convenient because it means that I can avoid answering any questions Habbabkuk puts to me and thereby avoid justifying and defending anything I’ve posted”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I think you should continue to press him for his source for what was presumably a vacuous and/or unconstructive remark,..”
    ____________________

    An illustration of the downside of using Habbabreak; it was a quotation from a respectable francophone newspaper, not a “remark”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “It’s interesting to see what H considers to be a ‘hayseed’ in terms of general accomplishment. I hope I have the right Paul Craig Roberts here.”
    _____________________

    Could someone not using Habbabreak perhaps let Baaal know that “hayseed “is usually used to denote someone with off-the-wall opinions and general outlook and has nothing to do with the person’s “general accomplishment”?

  110. Habakok displays all the signs of being a paid Establishment troll. He sidetracks discussions and denigrates any constructive submissions.I have yet to see a meaningful contribution from him to any discussion.

  111. The Swedish finance minister says that Pfizer’s promises on the proposal to acquire Astra Zenevca should be taken with a sackful of salt.

    Ian Read currently before the HoC ‘Business’ committee.

    Drug giants chiefs grilled by MPs
    Pfizer Chief Executive Ian Read
    The battle over Pfizer’s proposed bid for AstraZeneca is played out in front of MPs as the chief executives of the drugs firms face tough questioning.
    Business Live: Pfizer bid hearing Live
    Top scientist: Pfizer bid ‘flimsy’
    AstraZeneca Pfizer bid explained
    Watch Ahmed: Pfizer faces ‘lock’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27387695

    The composition of the Business, Skills and Enterprise Committee

    Business, Innovation and Skills Committee – membership

    The Committee were appointed on 12 July 2010

    Member

    Party

    Mr Adrian Bailey (Chair) Labour (Co-op)
    Mr William Bain Labour
    Mr Brian Binley Conservative
    Paul Blomfield Labour
    Katy Clark Labour
    Mike Crockart Liberal Democrat
    Caroline Dinenage Conservative
    Rebecca Harris Conservative
    Ann McKechin Labour
    Mr Robin Walker Conservative
    Nadhim Zahawi Conservative

    PS Zahawi was found out for claiming for the heating of his stables! He has also led an APPG visit to Kurdistan paid for by the energy company in which he is a shareholder. They also paid for his visit to a conference.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/kurdistan-delegation-led-by-tory-millionaire-nadhim-zahawi-raises-concerns-that-mps-will-be-vulnerable-to-lobbying-9359279.html

  112. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 1:18 pm

    Hayseeds Gallery (cont.)

    A quick look at Wikipedia reveals the following about Mr WILLIAM ENGDAHL, warmly recommended by “Scouse Billy” (above):

    Mr Engdahl is a “economist and free-lance journalist”, who “has also been a long-term asssociate of the LaRouche movement”. (WTF – the LaRouche movement??)

    He is “also a frequent contributor to the website of the Center for Research on Globalization”. (It will be recalled that one of that Center’s big cheeses is Professor Michel Chossudovsky – frequently quoted in somewhat fawning manner by various Eminences on this blog).

    I’ll leave it to interested readers to find out themselves some of Mr Engdahl’s views on various matters and will content myself merely to record his views on global warming, the problem of which he considers to be “much exaggerated” and “merely a scare”.

    More to come on other egregious hayseeds….

  113. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    Salford Lad

    “I have yet to see a meaningful contribution from him to any discussion.”
    ____________________

    And I have yet to see an answer from you to the questions I put regarding some of your posts, which purported to give us the real low-down on currencies and gold.

    I’m thinking in particular of your statement that pre-1971 countries only issued as much currency as they had gold reserves to cover.

    Samuelson, Krugmann et al you ain’t. :)

  114. LGBT rights are very sacred to hearts of organized Jewry in United States and Canada. Last year, Abraham Foxman compared Putin’s anti-gay laws with Nazi persecution of Jews.

    Last week, L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti (Jewish) and his Attorney General Mike Feuer (Jewish) joined by Jewish councilmen Paul Kortez and Mike Bonin announced that they will boycott two of area’s most prestigious hotels, Beverly Hills and Bell Air. Both hotels are operated by London-based Dorchester Collection of high-end hotels owned by Brunei government. The boycott is in response to Brunei government’s decision to carry-out Islamic Shari’ah punishments, in two-year phase. And we all know, Islamic law doesn’t accept gays and lesbians being a “natural” behaviour.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/05/08/l-a-jewish-mayor-boycotts-muslim-hotels/

  115. YouKnowMyName

    13 May, 2014 - 1:31 pm

    back to Evrovision… in 2003 Sir Terence warned “[UK Entry] that Britain’s unpopular participation in the Iraq War … would count against them” (Jemini’s “Cry Baby” earned the famous “Nul Points”)

    Is Iraq still a negative-amplification factor in 2014?

  116. Another YCNMIU. Biden’s son gets a directorship in a Ukrainian gas company.

    US Vice President’s son joins board of Ukraine’s largest gas producer
    Posted by mike on May 13, 2014, 1:21 pm

    This is just a coincidence though, must be, right?
    (photo)
    Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer, has expanded its Board of Directors by bringing on Mr. R Hunter Biden as a new director.

    R. Hunter Biden will be in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit and will provide support for the Company among international organizations. On his new appointment, he commented: “Burisma’s track record of innovations and industry leadership in the field of natural gas means that it can be a strong driver of a strong economy in Ukraine. As a new member of the Board, I believe that my assistance in consulting the Company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities will contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine.”

    The Chairman of the Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings, Mr. Alan Apter, noted: “The company’s strategy is aimed at the strongest concentration of professional staff and the introduction of best corporate practices, and we’re delighted that Mr. Biden is joining us to help us achieve these goals.”

    R. Hunter Biden is a counsel to Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, a national law firm based in New York, USA, which served in cases including “Bush vs. Gore”, and “U.S. vs. Microsoft”. He is one of the co-founders and a managing partner of the investment advisory company Rosemont Seneca Partners, as well as chairman of the board of Rosemont Seneca Advisors. He is an Adjunct Professor at Georgetown University’s Masters Program in the School of Foreign Service.

    /..

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1399983681.html

    Is R. Hunter Biden as keen on Zionist Israel as his Daddy?

    Biden is a self-described Zionist. During the interview conducted by the U.S. Jewish television cable network Shalom TV, Biden said, “I am a Zionist. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.”

    He is highly supportive of the state of Israel and views Israel as a strategic ally in the Middle East. He stated that “the Arab nations have known that there is no daylight between us and Israel.” Regarding support for Israel within the Democratic Party, Biden has stated that the Democrats’ support for Israel “comes from our gut, moves through our heart, and ends up in our head. It’s almost genetic.”] In September 2008, Biden stated “A strong America is a strong Israel. I have a 35-year record of supporting Israel, and Israel’s security is enhanced the stronger America is.”
    /..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#Israel

  117. Rehmat 13 May, 2014 – 1:25 pm

    “Last year, Abraham Foxman compared Putin’s anti-gay laws with Nazi persecution of Jews.”

    There are/were no anti-gay laws emanating from Russia. It was all Western-orchestrated disinformation to prevent Putin benefiting from a successful winter olympics. Here’s gay rights campaigner Brian M. Heiss on the subject:
    http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2014/white_paper.pdf

  118. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 2:24 pm

    Good to see that we’re back with Israel and Zionism again. Thanks, Mary!

    Nice attempts to distract from other things being brought up on this thread, very troll-like.

  119. Out of the 26 or so contributions made on this thread by the Resident Tro–, just three or four refer to the topic of the Eurovision contest.

    Any mention of Israel or Palestine brings him to attention and causes him to issue instant condemnation.

  120. Where Biden Jr’s Ukrainian gas company operates.

    http://burisma.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/MAP.png

  121. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 2:53 pm

    The EU in action; http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/technology/google-should-erase-web-links-to-some-personal-data-europes-highest-court-says.html?hp&_r=0

    BRUSSELS — The highest court in the European Union decided on Tuesday that Google must grant users of its search engine a right to delete links about themselves in some cases, including links to legal records.

    The decision by the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg is a blow for Google, which has sought to avoid the obligation to remove links when requested by European users of its service.

    By ruling that an Internet company like Google must comply with European privacy laws when operating in the European Union — a consumer market of about 550 million people — the court is indicating that such companies must operate in a fundamentally different way than they do in the United States.

  122. A Node 13 May, 2014 – 2:02 pm

    Something else is emanating from Russia today. Unsurprisingly it has not been covered by western MSM. Ukraine has not paid for its gas for March and April this year. Yatesnyuk wants a reduction on the previously subsidised gas to the region. There is plenty of dosh from the IMF tied loan so if Yatsenyuk is honorable he should honor his countries debts. Anyway, it looks like Ukraine is having to go onto a Pay as You Go scheme.

    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/731313

    Gasprom, the Russian supplier of gas to the Ukraine, was you may remember the company from which Timoshenko was serving a prison sentence for siphoning off, not gas, but cash from the company and stashing it away in western bank accounts. The new NAZI government set her free following the coup.

    Things could work out badly for the elections on May 22 if Ukrainians start thinking about the implications before casting their vote.

  123. countries = country’s

  124. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    A.Node – very good link

    Mary – thank you, I was unaware of the Biden connection, but not surprised – it does support what the analysts I have cited are saying.

  125. Ba’al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    “I am addicted to Habbabreak”

    The sanity helper script for Craig Murray’s blog!

    Try Habbabreak Now!

  126. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 3:02 pm

    Donetsk declares Independence. I want to hear Putins reply.

    http://rt.com/news/158436-donetsk-republic-ask-join-russia/

  127. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 3:07 pm

    (Habbabreak ™ also works fine for [insert nuisance here])

  128. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    Billy Scouse/John Goss; Are you familiar with Edward Jay Epstein?

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304831304579542402390653932?mod=trending_now_5

  129. “Donetsk declares Independence. I want to hear Putins reply.”

    Ben, see my earlier comment and posted link at 2:57 pm, regarding Gasprom. It is unlikely that Putin will welcome the independent states of Donetsk until after the elections later this month. Why have a slice of cake when you can have the lot?

    Ukrainians are not stupid. They know who it was who killed their fellow-Ukrainians in Odessa, murdered residents who went out to vote in the referenda. That the west has failed to recognise the referenda is their biggest mistake in a whole series of mistakes that started with the secession of Crimea to Russia.

    If anybody is likely to cancel the election it is those that are illegally in power. Putin has been one step ahead from the start, even pulling back troops when it was obvious that Yatsenyuk’s army of thugs was intent on using private militia dressed as Russians to create another false flag.

  130. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 3:22 pm

    Yes, John. Gazprom debt so important that ‘Yats’ has declared that of the $3 billion from IMF, 2.5 goes to the debt, but it doesn’t solve the problem of future deliveries. I think it is part and parcel of the West’s interests (primarily US exports).

  131. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    Human Rights Watch; truly a ‘non’ governmental organization?

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/13/the-corruption-of-human-rights-watch/

  132. YouKnowMyName

    13 May, 2014 - 3:54 pm

    List of new sanctions in full…

    postimees (Estonian MSM) claims that international Space Station ISS is a bit iffy after 2020,

    that Russia will be closing GPS groundstations soon

    and that various off-the-shelf space rocket engines are possibly no longer for sale

    shirley some mistake?

  133. The ICC have just agreed to carry out a preliminary investigation into these allegations.
    BREAKING NEWS:Initial investigation into claims UK forces abused Iraqi detainees to be opened by International Criminal Court

    Campaigners ask ICC to investigate alleged UK war crimes in Iraq
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/12/us-britain-iraq-icc-idUSBREA0B08T20140112

  134. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 4:05 pm

    Great News! The Intercept is hiring more people. (honeytrap, lol)

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/05/13/intercept-hiring/

  135. Yes, Scouse Billy.

    Hats off to Brian M. Heiss for a thorough debunking of Western propaganda. Although it wasn’t his primary intent, he has provided us with a powerful proof of the the extent to which our media is controlled. Here are some of the sources I can remember telling me about “Putin’s anti-gay laws” ….

    TV and newspaper news
    New Scientist
    Olympics reports on the sport pages and TV
    newspaper editorials and opinion pieces
    stand-up comedians and panel shows
    discussion shows
    letters pages
    radio phone-ins

    …. and until someone on this blog* posted the Heiss link, I too was one of the sundry dupes who repeated and re-enforced the lies. But in this case, they went too far. They showed too much of their power to sell a provable lie, and now we have a clear example to refer to those who underestimate the power and mendacity of the media.

    *Thank you and sorry I can’t remember your name

  136. doug scorgie

    13 May, 2014 - 5:20 pm

    I asked Habbabkuk: Which newspaper was that Habbabkuk?

    He replies:

    “A respectable francophone publication, Doug…”

    Not really an answer is it Habbabkuk?

    “Is it my translation you wish to “check”? Failing a rapid reply to this question, I shall consider correspondence closed on this issue.”

    That’s it Habbabkuk, quit while you’re behind.

  137. Back to Biden’s son, R. Hunter Biden.

    Si on Medialens has done this photo with a speech bubble.

    http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/Baspip/HeyDadthisglobalhegemonythingsarightgas.jpg

    Other comments:

    John Lilburne – Just to pick one of Biden fils’s involvements in ‘public service’, the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition, check out this chamber of horrors, In the Spotlight (bottom of page):

    http://www.usglc.org/#spotlight1

    and this roster of US global leaders:

    http://www.usglc.org/about/our-leadership/

    So nice to see Bill of Save the Children cosying up to Sarah of Wal-Mart and Nancy of Lockheed Martin etc, etc,.

    Gives one a warm glow, does it not?

    ~~~
    Nice to see that Jeff of AIPAC is in there too, doing his bit. All’s right with the world.

    Jeffrey Colman

    American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)

  138. I see that it’s actually Bill Lane of Caterpillar. Caterpillar’s machines are used in Israel entity to demolish Palestinian homes and to kill people like Rachel Corrie.

    It’s Caroline Miles from Save the Children.

    There is a printing error so that the two names coincide.

    I noticed a Sharon Waxman from Miliband D’s International Rescue Centre.

    An incestuous nest.

  139. doug scorgie

    13 May, 2014 - 6:18 pm

    Israeli minister Tzipi Livni given diplomatic immunity for UK visit

    UK [Zionist] government awards ‘special mission’ status to head-off would-be arrest warrant sought for alleged war crimes in Gaza

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/13/israel-tzipi-livni-diplomatic-immunity-uk

  140. BrianFujisan

    13 May, 2014 - 6:39 pm

    Mary Re… UK war crimes, and ICC…

    I wonder if it will be yet another Sham, waste of Loadza Money…or is BLiar getting closer to being turfed out…and will they Ever get round to the current crew, for their crimes in Libya, and now Syria.

    “… British defence officials are confident that the ICC will not move to the next stage and announce a formal investigation, largely because the UK has the capacity to investigate the allegations itself.

    However, the announcement is a blow to the prestige of the armed forces, as the UK is the only western state that has faced a preliminary investigation at the ICC. The court’s decision places the UK in the company of countries such as the Central African Republic, Colombia and Afghanistan.

    In a statement, the ICC said: “The new information received by the office alleges the responsibility of officials of the United Kingdom for war crimes involving systematic detainee abuse in Iraq from 2003 until 2008.

    “The re-opened preliminary examination will analyse, in particular, alleged crimes attributed to the armed forces of the United Kingdom deployed in Iraq between 2003 and 2008….

    more @

    http://stopwar.org.uk/article/uk-is-first-western-state-to-be-investigated-for-war-crimes-by-international-court#.U3JVYIFdWqj

  141. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 6:48 pm

    Mary, Brian,

    Who will fund the defence – Help For Heroes (sic)?

    Don’t see why the tax-payers should…

  142. BrianFujisan

    13 May, 2014 - 6:53 pm

    Doug / Mary

    Re Israeli Crimes… Check this disturbing piece –

    ” A repeated theme of pro-Israeli, anti-Palestinian propaganda is to circulate images ofPalestinian children taking part in such militarized displays in order to advance the belief that Palestinian culture is inherently violent and “teaches children hate” and that therefore Israeli violence is a justified defensive response.

    But these pictures are remarkable because they reveal the extent to which Israeli culture has been militarized and how Israeli children are not immune to this – a key theme in Max Blumenthal’s book Goliath.

    There is no doubt that both Israeli and Palestinian children have been subjected to this kind of brutalization by adults. It is horrifying whenever children are given guns and encouraged to imagine themselves as killers.

    Such activities are arguably in violation of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which states that member countries “shall refrain from recruiting any person who has not attained the age of fifteen years into their armed forces.”

    As I wrote on a previous occasion when such disturbing images of Israeli children appeared:

    Children live with the consequences of Israel’s violent occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people, whether it is Israeli children indoctrinated to continue this oppression as adults, or Palestinian children brutalized and traumatized by the organized violence of occupation, colonialism and apartheid that pervades their lives.

    This is never a reflection on the children, but on the adults who subject them to such ugliness.”

    By Ali Abunimah @

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/disturbing-photos-show-militarization-of-israeli-children/5381998

  143. BrianFujisan

    13 May, 2014 - 7:10 pm

    Billy Lol

    Good job They are mostly all multi millionaires..what is Bliar worth now £60 million or so and counting.

    running late again gotta dash.

  144. Have you expected habbitkuk to change his schoolmasterly behaviour, Doug? fat chance
    Its a lifelong trait that befalls those who feel righteous, but are enthralled and tyranised by their academic blinkers.

    He made a simple mistake an eight year old school boy would have gotten right and thats pretty normal for all of us, he’s nothing special, just a little disabled when it comes to linking to whatever he blathers on about.

    He’s not here to inform, such as most of us, but to argue and diseminate, to try us with his playfull nonsense. Bless….

  145. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 7:34 pm

  146. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 7:54 pm

    Let the record note that Mr Scorgie declines to say whether or not he endorses the intolerant remarks made by Russian vice-premier Rogozine and Russian political heavy Vladimir Jirinovsky on the result of the Eurovision song contest 2014.

    For ease of reference, here are those remarks again, as reported by a respectable French-language newspaper (my translation)

    Rogozine : “The result of the Eurovision contest has given the supporters of European integration a glimpse if what awaits them if they join Europe, ie., a bearded girl”.

    Jirinovsky : “Our indignation knows no bounds. This is the end of Europe. Europe has gone mad. There aren’t any men and women there any longer, just “its” instead.”.

  147. Thanks from me too, to A Node for the link to Brian Heiss’ White Paper. Thoroughly covers the true state of affairs and the disgraceful western media and government position.

  148. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 8:25 pm

    This guy said it as well as anyone:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0

  149. John Goss

    13 May, 2014 – 2:57 pm

    Sorry, I did not deliberately try to mislead. The Ukrainian elections, as everybody knows, but nobody corrected me, take place on 25th May. I’ve been out canvassing. It’s our elections on 22nd.

    Plenty of time then for the Russians to switch off the lights as a pilot if Yatsenyuk does not pay his energy bills. He cannot expect the Russians to give him subsidised gas now the Ukraine has gone in to bat for the Yanks and done nothing but insult the Russians! Can he? And a pilot test of what the future has in store might make a few voters think. I wonder.

  150. Mary,

    Sorry working this afternoon!

    Fantastic post 1.38pm – you couldn’t make it up!

    Thank you

  151. Tory troughers everywhere, even in County Hall, Kingston upon Thames, home of Surrey County Council.

    Surrey County Council pay panel resigns over 60% increase
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-27398200

    They took the maximum possible for their council tax precept avoiding a referendum.

    Council tax in Surrey is set to raise for the third time in a row after the county council agreed on the largest possible increase without prompting a referendum.
    Homeowners will have to pay for a 1.99% increase in the county council’s precept, making for an increase of just under 7% in the last three years.
    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/surrey-county-council-approves-council-6708219

    The roads are probably the worst in the country for lack of maintenance and number of potholes, apart from those routes shown on television for the multiple cycle races and marathons which get a makeover beforehand.

    Potholes here, there, everywhere.
    http://tiny.cc/ltdtfx

  152. There’s no need or likelihood for Putin to be vindictive, given his demonstrable good character, I would expect magnanimity, it is the special favoured by Russia status of Ukraine in a post-soviet world, with considerable economic advantages, that the west wish to sever. The EU, not known for its philanthropy, cannot prop up too many neo-liberalised and now consequently basket case ‘states’ in its nascent United States of Europe, if Ukraine is to have an intoxicating, bewiching taste of honey, it will mean be more and sourer vinegar for everywhere else and even wider dissatisfaction and economic dislocation. Given what the west has resorted to in its efforts to subvert Ukraine’s independence and buy that country and people outright like so many chattels, by lies bribery, corruption and violence and deaths on the streets – exactly what the majority and core of the nazi-hijacked mass-demonstrations were protesting against – then even a thin but true democracy if allowed and given time would reject an unreformed EU, as the EU with its mad-dog master NATO for cover, exemplifies these self same plutocratic vices in spadefuls. Inevitably Ukraine would be rejecting the EU and wishing the EU had kept its nose out and its greedy hands off Ukraine.

    It is unfortunate that in the interim the country will be looted and indebted for inestimable generations by the anarchic gangs presently seismically uprooting Ukraine’s foundational roots, by domestic and international oligarchs and the rapacious spearhead of the infamous gnomes of Zurich – a euphemism Harold Wilson was fond of using used to describe ‘bankers’, as even he dared not be more specific just who had and used such unaccountable economic power to wreck nations and lives – the sooner these western-backed stooges andfree-booter oligarchs face the Ukrainian people, with full inquiry begun into their sources of wealth and their crimes, the sooner the thieving will stop and as much of the extracted booty can be traced and returned to Ukraine’s people and future credit. Look out you gnomes.

  153. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:19 pm

    “There’s no need or likelihood for Putin to be vindictive, given his demonstrable good character”

    Do you really believe that?

  154. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:21 pm

    @Mary

    Stop the front page – Tories in Surrey behave like Tories!

  155. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:24 pm

    @John Goss

    “Plenty of time then for the Russians to switch off the lights as a pilot if Yatsenyuk does not pay his energy bills.”

    You talk like the Russian regime/Gazprom (the two are interchangeable) have never done this before. As always you patently ignore the fact that Putin has interfered in Ukrainian affairs for many years. Do you belive that such interference has always been legitimate?

  156. RD I don’t believe any power should interfere in the affairs of foreign countries. Putin’s Russia has interfered but nowhere near as much as the US has. 360 separate military interventions since 1945 I believe. “Do you belive that such interference has always been legitimate?” Or ever?

  157. @Kurtan: I agree with you entirely. What can’t the digital natives think like that? Can’t be the parents… maybe it’s a reaction to the parents? ;)

  158. @Scouse Billy: Great video. And did anyone ever tell you you look like Bill Shankly.

  159. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:45 pm

    Do you belive that such interference has always been legitimate?

    I asked the question first regarding Putin’s interference in Ukraine – please answer.

    No I don’t always believe interference by the US or anyone else in another country is legitimate – just like I don’t always believe it is illegitimate – it depends on the facts of the particular case. Non interference would have meant the UK not going to war when Hitler invaded Poland etc etc.

  160. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:47 pm

    @Scouse Billy: Great video. And did anyone ever tell you you look like Bill Shankly.

    But there the resemblance ends.

  161. Yes RD @ 10.21pm. You got it in one. Any suggestions how to get rid of them? Local pest control companies cannot help.

  162. “I asked the question first regarding Putin’s interference in Ukraine – please answer.”
    Response.
    “RD I don’t believe any power should interfere in the affairs of foreign countries.”
    What was wrong with that?

  163. Resident Dissident 13 May, 2014 – 10:47 pm

    Was it something like “Some people think that football is a matter of life or death. But it’s much more important than that.”

    You’ve been missed RD. People have been looking for answers.

    https://squonk.tk/blog/2014/01/20/the-general-discussion-thread/comment-page-18/#comment-7264

  164. Scouse Billy, you’ve been missed too. Welcome back.

    Now all I have to go and brush up my Russian. Just in case the Russians are coming. :)

  165. Did anyone hear Hague’s awful speech today? I suppose the Tories think sabre-rattling is winning them votes and will win them more. More likely a shift because the public saw Labour’s party political, and some Lib-Lab switchers felt sorry for the Clegg character and switched back to Libdem. Bit like the clever Labour cartoon of 1959 (take a look on youtube) that perhaps was “misunderstood” and helped win the Tories a landslide. It seems that Toffs will never understand the character of ordinary people…

  166. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 11:40 pm

    Peacewisher

    I think even Hague’s worst enemy would hardly call him a “Toff”.

  167. I don’t think you read my post correctly, Habby. Hague is not a toff, but he’s fulfilling the expectation of “toffs”. It may well work. From the Falklands conflict onwards, I have never ceased to be amazed by the obedient “patriotic fervour”. Second part of post was a dig at labour party’s ineptness at understanding how to appeal to ordinary people.

  168. John Goss: ” I don’t believe any power should interfere in the affairs of foreign countries. Putin’s Russia has interfered but nowhere near as much as the US has. ”

    Utterly pukeful listening to Cameron and ‘If you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve nothing to worry about’ Hague’s verbal diaorrhea against Russia today in parliament.

    Cameron, the farcical leader of a failed philosophy of greed which bankrupted the entire world economy states that Russia doesn’t have a plan. Hahahahahaha. But Cameron has a plan, to eat the Thatcher vomit, tickle his throat and spew it up again.

    And Hague mocking Russian weaponry as junk. Yes mr Yorkshire butter, if you don’t bugger your junior colleagues and let you political arsehole be gratified by Zionist banker world domination you don’t get the passwords to your oversized piles of bombs.

    I cannot wait for the result of the election to be rid of them for the last time in my lifetime. I ask one question. If it is possible to create vast quantities of jobs in the run-up to a general election, why was it not possible to create those jobs in the dark days of 2008 onwards?

    Smug selfish slime. They create a recession for their Zio-masters. and create a civil war in Syria for their Zio masters, and then proceed to fill the air with cuckoo cries: ‘ We have thrown the baby chicks of caring Socialism to the ground. We have closed the NHS, we have subjugated workers pay and rights, we have closed personal privacy and social conscience down.’

    I pray these Tory shite will never come to power again in my lifetime. Inshallah. I will not forget this spectacle of the definitive superiority of Socialism over Capitalism. The spectacle of planless Zio-pimped Tories heckling a sister nation for not having re-armed after the Cold War.

    Glad to see Craig exercising his liberal rights to subject his wife to sexual humiliation. I will not forget this spectacle of the definitive superiority of Islam in relation to the treatment of women.

  169. I wouldn’t put it that strongly, Guano. Labour was led by Tony Blair (’nuff said) for many years, and Brown wasn’t much better. Final nail in libdem coffin for me was Paddy Ashdown on the radio the day after MPs voted against war with Syria… pleading for war. So UKIP or Greens… which is it? (playing devils advocate for the “undecideds” of the British electorate. If they get 10% each and libdems recover to 15%, that still leaves 30+% bound to vote Conservative, and that may be enough for them. Only hope is to vote labour. That approach was used by USAns and they got Obama… who is turning into Bush III.

  170. Scouse Billy

    14 May, 2014 - 1:55 am

    John Goss – thank you.

    Peacewisher – Bill was and still is a source of inspiration.

    For anyone who enjoys Sibel Edmonds’ posts here she is with James Corbett et al on Ukraine and Syria. The last 5 minutes is priceless where she lets rip on Seymour Hersh:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu2TXEbHq2M

  171. Peacewisher I think you mean ..’turned into Bush III’.

    Sky have just had a segment about the election gurus being employed by Agent Cameron and Milipede E. They showed footage of Obomber performing to audiences and explained how Axelrod (The Axe) now employed by Labour achieved Obomber’s election and re-election.

    Agent Cameron is employing Linton Crosbie (The Wizard of Oz) responsible for the promotion of John Howard and Boris Johnson’s two terms as Mayor of London.

    Both creatures of spin will have difficulty in 2015 in achieving their aims.

  172. Here’s my favourite.

    In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia
    Washington’s role in Ukraine, and its backing for the regime’s neo-Nazis, has huge implications for the rest of the world

    John Pilger

    The Guardian, Tuesday 13 May 2014

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger

  173. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 8:41 am

    Thanks for the Livni story, Doug. Contains this rather disturbing admission:

    The UK promised Israel it would change the law to make it harder to secure arrest warrants for Israeli public figures. In an address to the Israeli parliament last month, David Cameron said: “When I was in opposition, I spoke out when – because of the law on universal jurisdiction – senior Israelis could not safely come to my country without fear of ideologically motivated court cases and legal stunts; when I became prime minister, I legislated to change it. My country is open to you and you are welcome to visit any time.”

    Crawling bastard. So –

    Now senior Israelis can come here without fear of entirely legitimate prosecution for serious criminal activity. Well done, Dave. The next move is seriously to question the legitimacy of Cameron’s legislation, which acts to overturn international law under treaties to which the UK is a signatory.

    Bit of background. Usual suspects. Drooling supplicants for grace and favour of apartheid state listed:
    http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/Campaigns/UniversalJurisdiction/

    This appears to be the relevant Act – if I’m wrong, I’d welcome correction WITH REFERENCES.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/13/section/153/enacted

    Dave’s bold stroke in defence of Israel’s freedom to do exactly as it wants was buried in a contentious dog’s breakfast of random provisions loosely scattered round the legislation for appointing police commisioners.

    As far as I can see Section 153 doesn’t apply to Scotland!

  174. Livni features half way down here

    Once Upon a Palestine
    by Tamerishe / August 3rd, 2013

    “Once Upon a Palestine” began in the spring of 2011; a few lines and the title, swiftly followed by a cascade of verse, then put to one side for a previous work barging in out of nowhere, demanding to be written. Going through my own dark night of the soul at the time, “Once Upon a Palestine” continued to gather dust in a drawer until the summer of 2012, when the words came back to haunt me. So here it is. My humble contribution to the betrayed, abandoned, shunned, vilified, outstandingly brave Palestinians of Palestine. I don’t know about the ‘Lost Tribes of Israel.’ It’s about time the dispossessed, ethnically cleansed, indigenous Peoples of Palestine picked up their keys and came home. Where they belong. –Tamerishe

    [..]
    Cowards and bullies, two of a kind
    Sound in the body, but sick in the mind
    Spawn of the Stern Gang and vile Haganah
    Irgun’s Ms. Livni, her Ma and Papa

    Who would you believe it? But hush now! Don’t tell!
    Blew up us Brits in King David’s Hotel!
    We know who our friends are, didn’t we do well!
    Birds of a feather, we’ll meet them in hell!

    But hey! What’s your problem? We’re all best mates now
    Changing our laws to protect ‘Sacred Cows’
    The woman who boasted, with no sense of shame
    Operation Cast Lead, she’d do all again
    Proud of her role in this orgy of pain

    It’s all so confusing, speak up! Hague! Explain!
    Shielding war criminals, since when was our game
    There’s blood on your hands and it’s staining our name
    The wrong side of history is where lies your fame
    Next to your Masters of Zionist shame!
    [..]

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/08/once-upon-a-palestine/

    You are correct Ba’al about the abolition of universal jurisdiction being ‘slipped’ into police legislation. ‘Slippery’ people these Tory Zionists.

  175. The Diamond geezer is under the microscope again. No stopping of the mindset ‘I want more, more’.

    12 May 2014
    Ex-Barclays executives face fraud office questioning
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27370623

  176. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 9:05 am

    Talking of war criminals:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627608/Blair-Bush-letters-ARE-delaying-Iraq-report-says-Chilcot-Head-inquiry-admits-records-conversations-issue.html

    VS:

    ‘I’ve made it absolutely clear that when the report’s published is entirely up to them [the inquiry team].

    ‘It’s not my decision at all… it’s the responsibility of the people who run the inquiry,’ he said.

    A spokesman said: ‘He has as much reason as anyone for wanting the report published.’(St. Anthony of Baghdad, all papers)

    But it’s admittedly a bit more opaque than that. Much further under the MSM radar is the question of 200 Cabinet minutes requested by Chilcot, whose release seems to have been obstructed (in the most gentlemanly way possible) by Cameron’s merry men.

    This was the position in November last year, and appears to still be the position:

    http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media/54976/2013-11-04_Chilcot_Cameron.pdf

    The rule of law would have a lot more validity if the government of the day didn’t change it when it was inconvenient or flannel its way out of its legal obligations.

  177. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 9:22 am

    From the CFOI link @ 8.41 –

    Ambassador Gould asserted that the UK’s justice system could no longer be “abused for political reasons”

    I wish.

  178. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 9:35 am

    Very distant planet bearing life of a sort detected. And Wiiliam Hague is there –

    “A negotiated two-state agreement remains the only way to resolve the conflict once and for all. The parameters are clear: two states, based on 1967 borders with agreed land swaps, Jerusalem as a shared capital, a just, fair and agreed settlement for refugees, and Gaza as an integral part of the Palestinian state.”

    As are the winged pigs, effortlessly soaring over the cigarette trees.

    https://www.facebook.com/ukinisrael?_fb_noscript=1

    Scroll down to 1 May. Connoisseurs may also be interested to note that the vacancy for HR Head at our embassy in Tel Aviv is advertised in English and Hebrew. But not Arabic. LOL.

  179. Pfizer hard faced and dead eyed. At the the Science Committee today.

    Pfizer facing second grilling by MPs
    Pfizer Chief Executive Ian Read
    Pfizer’s boss is being questioned for a second day by MPs about the drug firm’s controversial bid for AstraZeneca.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27403777

    Read is with a Mikael Dolsten, Research and Development and an Australian Vice President Rod McKenzie.

    Reminder:In September 2009, Pfizer pleaded guilty to the illegal marketing of the arthritis drug Bextra for uses unapproved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and agreed to a $2.3 billion settlement, the largest health care fraud settlement at that time.[8] Pfizer also paid the U.S. government $1.3 billion in criminal fines related to the “off-label” marketing of Bextra, the largest monetary penalty ever rendered for any crime.[9] Called a repeat offender, this was Pfizer’s fourth such settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice in the previous ten years.[10][11]

    Mr Read said he was “very proud” of his 35 years at the firm, describing it as a “company of high integrity focused on patients and delivering drugs to patients”.

    We are a highly ethical company. Pfizer is a company that keeps its promises.”

  180. We have not addressed two very important and acute issues in this lowest ever key EU election, nboth pressing and far more important than party politics.

    One is the issue of bees and nicotinoids which have been proven to kill these bees by weakening their immune systems and leading to colony collapse. A minister should stand up and ban the use of these wretched pesticides.

    The other issue is still fresh in peoples minds and they are desperate to know how we can bear children with flippers instead of feet, so they can swim, even if they don’t get taught swimming at school, hah hah ha, on an island, you could not make it up.
    Rising sea levels are ineviatble and somebody will have to do some precautionary planning very soon.

    We do not need a dangerous PWR nuclear industry and future for our children! but we need a Severn, Wash and a Thames barrier with tidal energy schemes and lock systems to safeguard the realm, whatever this fancy notion entails.

    and piss on Ms Livni and her ilk.

  181. Correction on Rod Mackenzie. I don’t think he is Australian!
    http://www.pfizer.com/research/science_and_technology/meet_our_scientists/rod_mackenzie

    No mentions of Dolsten’s nationality in any of the biogs. He did study at the Weizmann Institute in Israel. He grosses $6.5m pa at Pfizer and worked for Astra Zeneca previously.

    http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=29973055&ticker=PFE

    Pfizer are very greedy and very hungry to state the obvious.

  182. UN marked helicopter used by Kiev troops in operations in Eastern Ukraine. According to RT, the UN is investigating possible war crime:

    http://rt.com/news/158832-un-ukraine-helicopter-scandal/

    Not surprising, then, that they want journalists out of the way!

  183. Why does a scientist’s nationality matter? Your snide allusion to the fact that Mr Dolsten studied at the Weizmann Institute holds no water. Have you studied at a college or university outside your hometown or region? I have and it didn’t make me Scottish or French.

    There are enough reasons for people to be concerned about the AZ – Pfizer issue without you degrading the argument with your anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views.

  184. Peacewisher

    What about Warren? She talks talk I never thought I’d hear from a US politician? Makes the witch look like green slime potion.

    Obama’s field agents Boko Haram have got AfriCom into Nigeria. If black Obama was to be used for African conquest, I ask myself what socialist Warren can be used for? Former Soviet countries or Chinese negotiations. Zollywood has a plan.

    Talking of Green, Caroline Lucas’s anti-fracking demonstration makes her the logical choice for all logical people who see water pollution by fracking as a far greater menace than Thatcher’s feeding cows on sheep brains.

    That particular item is a Kurdish delicacy, with a strong gamey flavour. My Kurdish language skills are insufficient to explain to my Kurdish hosts the full reasons for my not wanting to eat sheeps brains.

    They have their own bonkers political agendas, one of which is whether to build a medieval ditch/rampart against Qaida in neighbouring Syria. Darlings, they have UK passports. They are coming in by plane. [sheepbrains]

  185. On topic!

    Beard shaved in Eurovision protest
    A Russian blogger has shaved off his beard in protest that a drag act from Austria won the Eurovision Song Contest. http://home.bt.com/news/oddnews/beard-shaved-in-eurovision-protest-11363901673895

    I don’t know the source of ‘BT News’ but they had to get a dig in at President Putin.

  186. Mary 14 May, 2014 – 7:54 am

    Thanks for the John Pilger link. Thank God for sensible and honest journalists. This is from the article.

    ‘The name of “our” enemy has changed over the years, from communism to Islamism, but generally it is any society independent of western power and occupying strategically useful or resource-rich territory, or merely offering an alternative to US domination. The leaders of these obstructive nations are usually violently shoved aside, such as the democrats Muhammad Mossedeq in Iran, Arbenz in Guatemala and Salvador Allende in Chile, or they are murdered like Patrice Lumumba in the Democratic Republic of Congo. All are subjected to a western media campaign of vilification – think Fidel Castro, Hugo Chávez, now Vladimir Putin.”‘

    Craig knows Pilger is an honest guy and not one whose eyes have had the wool pulled down over them. We all want our country to be portrayed in a favourable light. But if we have to stoop to support a western-funded fascist spearhead of thuggish megalomaniacs who have overthrown an elected government, then my back, for one, is too sore to bend down in support of these clients.

  187. @ 11.08am

    Makes a big difference. Wheels within wheels you know?

    Israel are big pharmaceutical manufacturers especially of generic products.

    Teva is one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teva_Pharmaceutical_Industries

    Read about its founder Mr Hurvitz. Always a scandal with the money cf Olmert.
    http://www.answers.com/topic/teva-pharmaceutical-industries-ltd

  188. PS ‘Mick’@ 11.08am I note you do not comment on the visit of Ms Livni the war criminal to these shores or on the abolition of the law of universal jurisdiction by this Israel loving government as outlined by Ba’al Zevul. Cat got your tongue?

    ~~~
    Yes John. Thank God for John Pilger.

  189. 14 May 2014

    Please read this article prepared by Harriet Sherwood and published in the Guardian on May 13, 2014. The article is about the UK awarding ‘special mission’ status to Tzipi Livni, Israel’s justice minister, and thus a diplomatic immunity to protect her against prosecution ahead of a planned visit to the UK.

    The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) and Hickman and Rose have been prosecuting Livni before the British courts for years on the grounds alleged war crimes against Palestinian civilians and their property during the Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip 2008-2009, codenamed operation “Cast Lead”. The article includes important information and quotations said by lawyer Raji Sourani, Director of PCHR, condemning the UK’s position and how it failed to fulfill its legal obligations to prosecute war criminals.

    In 2009, Livni cancelled a visit to the UK after PCHR and its partners had obtained an arrest warrant from the court. However, Livni could visit the UK in 2011, when the British government awarded her a diplomatic immunity as well.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/13/israel-tzipi-livni-diplomatic-immunity-uk

    ~~

    http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/

  190. “Craig knows Pilger is an honest guy”

    And that black is white etc. etc.

  191. Must be lunchtime ESLO! :)

  192. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 1:15 pm

    Why does a scientist’s nationality matter? Your snide allusion to the fact that Mr Dolsten studied at the Weizmann Institute holds no water. Have you studied at a college or university outside your hometown or region? I have and it didn’t make me Scottish or French.

    There are enough reasons for people to be concerned about the AZ – Pfizer issue without you degrading the argument with your anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views.

    Well, yes, though I’m not watching Mary at the moment. But how splendidly your observation chimes with a piece in today’s Grauniad, also re. AstroZeneca/Pfizer…

    The only guarantee that the Scotland-born Read (of Pfizer – BZ)was prepared to give was that 20% of the R&D workforce would be based in Britain for the next five years… (Print edition, P6)

    Now why was it important that we know that Read is, er, ‘Scotland-born’? Maybe he can’t be described as Scottish for some reason? But why not simply omit his nationality, as the same piece did with all the other named participants, Adrian Bailey, David Cameron (silver spoon-born?), Vince Cable, Brian Binley, Pascal Soriot, Paul Nurse and Chuka Umunna? Iz it coz he iz EVIL?

  193. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:19 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “This appears to be the relevant Act – if I’m wrong, I’d welcome correction WITH REFERENCES.”
    ________________

    It is.

    But your comment would have gained if you had bothered to mention the following:

    1/. Section 153 does NOT prevent the prosecution in the UK of people alleged to have committed the listed offences overseas. What is does do is to remove the possibility for PRIVATE individuals to cause (with the help of a friendly magistrate) arrest warrants to be issued; henceforth, the issue of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Prosecutions. The aim is to prevent trial and/or vexatious action on the part of any Tom Dick or Harry with an axe to grind.
    There is any number of alleged (and lesser) offences for which the issuance of arrest warrants is solely in the power of the public authorities (eg police) and not private individuals. Example : dangerous driving.

    2/. Contrary to the impression you seek to give, the Act apploes to everyone and not only alleged Israeli offenders.

    3/. Contrary to what you appear to be claiming, the change in the law intiruced by that Act does NOT contravene the UK’s obligations under any body of international law to which the UK is a signatory party.

    Hope that helps.

  194. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    “the issue of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Prosecutions. The aim is to prevent trial and/or vexatious action ..”

    should read

    “the issuance of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Proecutions. The aim is to prevent trivial and/or vexatious action..”

  195. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:27 pm

    Mary

    “You are correct Ba’al about the abolition of universal jurisdiction being ‘slipped’ into police legislation. ‘Slippery’ people these Tory Zionists.”
    ________________

    As I’ve pointed out, Mary, the Act cited by Ba’al does NOT abolish universal jurisdiction.

    It removes the power to cause the issuance of arrest warrants from the man in the street and puts it in the hands of the DPP.

  196. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:31 pm

    Mick (to Mother Mary)

    “Why does a scientist’s nationality matter? Your snide allusion to the fact that Mr Dolsten studied at the Weizmann Institute holds no water. Have you studied at a college or university outside your hometown or region? I have and it didn’t make me Scottish or French.

    There are enough reasons for people to be concerned about the AZ – Pfizer issue without you degrading the argument with your anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views.”
    ____________________

    That’s par for the course with Mary, I’m afraid. The prejudice will out.

  197. @Guano: But Indian Mangos are banned!

  198. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:36 pm

    Mary

    PS ‘Mick’@ 11.08am I note you do not comment on the visit of Ms Livni the war criminal to these shores or on the abolition of the law of universal jurisdiction by this Israel loving government as outlined by Ba’al Zevul. Cat got your tongue?

    _______________

    You’ve said it again and so I’ll have to correct you again : universal jurisdiction has NOT been abolished in the UK.

    As to the “war criminal” Mrs Livni, that’s only your opinion. As far as I know, she has not been indicted anywhere except on various blogs (and perhaps self-appointed “Tribunals” without any standing whatsoever)

  199. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:39 pm

    Mr Goss

    “Must be lunchtime ESLO! :)”
    ________________

    Yes, perhaps ESLO holds down a regular job and posts in his own free time – unlike, it seems, quite a few of the Eminences here.

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