Cui Bono?

by craig on June 17, 2014 8:18 pm in Uncategorized

Brazilian crowd whiter than a Broederbond meeting. Hard to enjoy the match without thinking of the 25 billion dollars squandered on the tournament by the Brazilian government – and plainly attendance is restricted to rich white people.

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  1. And no news on the poor people squatting near the main stadium brutally attacked by police when they tried to demonstrate for their basic human rights! Seems the news channels are focusing more on multi million dollar so called football stars rather then oppression in the favelas.

  2. Talk about not seeing when looking. I have only just noticed ‘Vauntie Cybernat’ in the banner. Has is been there for long?

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/cybernats-and-phantoms/

  3. You’re probably mostly right, but I think it’s also partly that the cameramen are racists (and also perverts)!

  4. Need Food Not Football: Brazil’s Anti-Fifa World Cup Graffiti

    http://www.graphicdesign.com/article/anti-fifa-world-cup-graffiti/#.U6Cjtqhn8zU

  5. lucythediclonius

    17 Jun, 2014 - 10:04 pm

    Referee was frankly disappointing.Missed two or three clear opportunities to grant a dodgy penalty.

  6. Dreolin,

    Those images are interesting but the friggin page is link bait for a marketing whore web site. The spectacle will use anything to sell us consumerism. Food not football? The irony is haunting.

  7. Lucy

    Yes – if there had been a straight referee for the first game Brazil would be well on the way to being knocked out now

  8. Sorry Phil, I didn’t notice!

  9. Resident Dissident

    17 Jun, 2014 - 10:51 pm

    Yes 3 out of the 4 BRICS have all spent vast amounts on vanity sporting projects and all have eye watering levels of inequality – yet our ersatz lefties all see them as models to which we should aspire!

  10. Chee Bai Charlie

    17 Jun, 2014 - 11:09 pm

    For those interested in the subject of match fixing and it’s connection to squeaky clean Singapore, a new article by Declan Hill is up at:
    http://www.declanhill.com/blog/item/the-officials-and-the-fixers

  11. The white crowd in football stadiums is not a world cup exception, on the years 2000 the entrances´s prices increased in Brazil. One of the reasons was the violence inside the stadiums. Now they are called Arenas (Fifa Standard). It is good that is safer and more modern, but more and more the game is distant from the crowd. If you think about money, football is hard to enjoy anywhere.

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  13. On Tuesday, British prime minister David Cameron, an Israeli poodle, announced that his government has decided to re-open its embassy in Tehran. He said the decision was made after realization that Iran under the presidency of Sheikh Hassan Rouhani can play a positive role in the region especially the conflict in Syria and Iraq.

    Talking to media representatives in Vienna on Tuesday, Iran’s deputy foreign minister Majid Takhte-Ravanchi said that exchanging ambassadors between the two countries was not on the agenda for now.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/18/london-to-re-open-its-embassy-in-tehran/

  14. Argentina 1978 excepted, it seems to me that white, middle class crowds have always been a feature of world cups going back until at least the 1970.

  15. As RD is so obsessed about the rise of the BRICs (worried perhaps at the decline of the USUKIsNATO alliance), here is a different brick for him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgdMmYG8aU

  16. Res Diss

    ‘Yes 3 out of the 4 BRICS have all spent vast amounts on vanity sporting projects and all have eye watering levels of inequality – yet our ersatz lefties all see them as models to which we should aspire!’

    But we already have eye-watering levels of inequality and recently spent a shed load of money on a vanity sporting project so what is there to aspire to?

  17. For 250,000 Brazilians, there is little to cheer about as the World Cup has made them homeless.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/05/brazil-evicted-won-celebrate-world-cup-201452012437552695.html
    It really does feel like the last days of Rome sometimes.
    The inequality can’t last.

  18. A good way to protest about the waste and corruption of the World Cup:-

    Stop watching it and find something more constructive to do.

  19. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:31 am

    “Yes 3 out of the 4 BRICS have all spent vast amounts on vanity sporting projects and all have eye watering levels of inequality – yet our ersatz lefties all see them as models to which we should aspire!”
    __________________

    Well said, Resident Dissident, you’ve taken the words out of my mouth.

    I hope we’ll be hearing a little less in future on this blog about the BRICs being the shining new model for all of us.

  20. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:37 am

    “But we already have eye-watering levels of inequality and recently spent a shed load of money on a vanity sporting project so what is there to aspire to?”
    ______________________

    Another foolish comparison from KingOfWelshNoir, to accompany the foolish comparison on the previous thread.

    Inequality levels in the UK are nothing compared to those obtaining in all the BRICs.

    That may be unpalatable news for (1) the BRIC groupies on this blog and (2) the West haters on this blog, but that’s just tough. LOL

  21. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:45 am

    I agree with Kempe. Opiate of the masses…

    This is well written and relevant (I don’t imagine Kempe will agree):

    http://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-06-17/kamikaze-culture

  22. Never mind eh! They are back to executions by lethal injection in the US and Agent Cameron here is chairing a meeting of the National Security Council, so all’s well with the world.

    PS Brazil lost. That must have caused the BRIC haters to cheer

    oh and btw Petro has offered a ceasefire. He’s worried there might not be any Russian gas for his electorate to use come the Winter. Half way through the year already. My life!

    Ukraine’s president has proposed a unilateral ceasefire by his troops to allow pro-Russian separatists to lay down their weapons.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27902109

  23. Well said Frazer. Brazils abilities seem to reflect the overal state of society, torn apart by some who want to exploit this poor country some more for their sporting/business aims.

    If promoting the potentially fastest ferry service from Norfolk to Holland and increasing tourism here is called domestic extremism, then I’m clearly one.
    If telling useless councillors that they are useless and can’t string two sentences together means that I’m extreme, so be it, this immigrant will not be intimidated.

  24. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:29 am

    Seems the news channels are focusing more on multi million dollar so called football stars rather then oppression in the favelas.

    No money in favelas. Innit. And they are places where even hardened reporters rightly fear to tread.

    The answer is to run something like the Manx TT through plaguepits like Middlesbrough and peripheral Mexico City. Only locals would dare to be out watching, and the TV rights and advertising opportunities would be limitless. Rio, with its steep terrain and moderately endemic hunger, would be a natural for competitive cheese rolling, maybe.

  25. “This is well written and relevant ”

    Not so sure about it being that well written but it does in many ways echo the warning Sir Kenneth Clark gave about heroic materialism back in 1969.

    http://www.wordonfire.org/Written-Word/articles-commentaries/September-2010/Kenneth-Clark-and-the-Danger-of-Heroic-Materialism.aspx

  26. Mary “oh and btw Petro has offered a ceasefire. He’s worried there might not be any Russian gas for his electorate to use come the Winter. Half way through the year already. My life!”

    BTW-Russia also supplies ALL the fuel for Ukrainian power plants, which will be the next step. After which a small squeeze on oil (Russia exports MORE than KSA) and yats will be off to israel in a jiffy before the freezing Ukrainians hang him.

  27. “Yes – if there had been a straight referee for the first game Brazil would be well on the way to being knocked out now.”

    As it is it just looks like our lot are on their way to being knocked out, yet they played remarkably well. Hope that’s not right, but has a high possibility.

    P.S. Tomorrow marks two years of asylum for Julian Assange. Another refereeing travesty.

  28. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:23 am

    Thanks for that, Kempe. Not sure I agree I definitely don’t agree with Fr. Barron’s conclusion – proselytise, proselytise, proselytise – but a good contribution. In Clark’s time, the purely materialistic culture was still becoming formalised. Now it is institutional. The Market is prioritised over the needs, rights and, dammit, cultural expression of its serfs. Anything is justifiable purely in economic terms, usually untruthfully as even the word ‘economic’ has changed its meaning. And the old American model -if labour costs too much move the plant to a cheaper state – is now global.

  29. Resident Dissident
    17 Jun, 2014 – 10:51 pm
    Says:

    “Yes 3 out of the 4 BRICS have all spent vast amounts on vanity sporting projects and all have eye watering levels of inequality – yet our ersatz lefties all see them as models to which we should aspire!”
    __________________________________________________________________

    I think that countries with vast poverty levels should not host expensive international events.

    I think the priority of those countries should be lifting people out of poverty through the redistribution of wealth.

    Do you agree ResDis?

    I doubt it:

    Such policies requires (among other things) higher taxation to pay for development of housing, healthcare, infrastructure, job creation etc…

    That is prioritising the poor (majority) over the rich (minority).

    Something the wealthy individuals and corporations don’t want and will do anything to prevent by fair means or foul.

    A good illustration of this is Venezuela where rich individuals and corporations have, for years, undermined the democratically elected government, which has been trying to bring about the elimination of poverty, illiteracy and health inequality.

    Democracy, of course, is only acceptable to the likes of Resident Dissident; Habbabkuk et al, if the government elected is right-wing neoliberal capitalist.

    Any other form of government should be overthrown, violently if necessary, and replaced by one acceptable to them.

    That is their “democracy.”

  30. It might not be so bad if the host countries actually benefitted financially, FIFA will make $1.8 billion out of the World Cup on which they will pay no tax.

  31. $ 1.8 billion aint a bad take for FIFA,especially as its a non-profit organisation ..(ho ho).

  32. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 1:26 pm

    http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=news

    Not behind paywall.

    STRANGE but true: every one of the World Cup’s 3m tickets comes via a modest two-storey office building on a business park in Cheadle Royal, south Manchester – some through the front door, others through the back door and into the black market.

    The proprietors, Mexican brothers Jaime and Enrique Byrom, chums of disgraced bribe-taker and former Fifa president Joao Havelange, who have enjoyed exclusive World Cup ticket concessions for many years, are now guaranteed them for another decade under their latest deal with Sepp Blatter and his scrupulously honest executive committee. Whether the tournament is staged in Qatar, North America or Australia, the boys in Cheadle are certain winners. (snip)

  33. My Swedish agent in Brazil tells me;

    “England will beat Uruguay and Costa Rica to go through to the next round!!”

    He has more confidence than me.

  34. Habbabkuk, I see that, like the Grand Old Duke of York, you are marching your army of straw men, ‘The West Haters’, up to the top of the hill again. Take care in this hot dry weather with all that straw around. One stray spark…

  35. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    18 Jun, 2014 - 2:03 pm

    1.8 billion is what percentage of the NATO expenditures in Iraq/Afghanistan?

    a few basis points is all. BUT BRICS?FIFA is a tragic waste of resources according to our fascist enablers, but there haven’t been casualties in Brazil, have there?

  36. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    18 Jun, 2014 - 2:35 pm

    ” Iraq’s Shi’ite rulers defied Western calls on Tuesday to reach out to Sunnis to defuse the uprising in the north of the country, declaring a boycott of Iraq’s main Sunni political bloc and accusing Sunni power Saudi Arabia of promoting “genocide.”"

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-17/not-going-planned-iraq-prime-minister-defies-us-accuses-saudi-arabia-genocide

    An unprecedented statement. Of course, that makes the US complicit with the Wahabis.

  37. Just as the Zionists created the JNF to stake their claim to the Palestinians homes, villages and land, the émigré Jews from Europe created the JCA in Brazil to establish a foothold.

    See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Brazil

    Agricultural Settlements

    The page seems to have started life in 2008 but cannot see who started it off.

  38. “there haven’t been casualties in Brazil, have there?”

    Don’t know about casualties, but pictures all over Twitter a few days ago of heavy police presence – in riot gear – in favelas. Even a tank.

    And this

    https://twitter.com/FutbolBible/status/478306980017496064

  39. I took Craig’s comment, on an earlier World Cup thread, that crooked officials were assisting the host country, with a pinch of salt.

    Half way into the first half of the Mexico game yesterday I had second thoughts, when a fingertip save by Julio Cesar should have resulted in a Mexican corner, but the Turkish referee turned a blind eye and awarded Brazil a goal kick instead.

    If Brazil exit before the semis, or lose on penalties thereafter, it is likely to spark major disorder in the favelas and beyond. I wouldn’t be surprised if FIFA have therefore attempted to ease the host’s passage via the appointment of sympathetic officials at all their matches.

  40. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 3:05 pm

    Christ. Clusterfuck on clusterfuck. Reminds me of the time the US abruptly ceased talking to Iran during a period of relative co-operation on the Taleban (whom Iran detests) Quid pro quo? Chess? Visceral loathing of Saudi trumps all other considerations?

    Roll on windfarms and Chinese nuclear power stations. We can ignore all these bloodthirsty cunts then.

  41. By the way Habbabkuk, I hope you don’t mind me saying, but I think the acronym LOL is probably a bit young for you.

  42. Another interesting picture, but I can’t be sure where it was taken. The name Blackwater makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

    https://twitter.com/mrdaveyd/status/476822087110127616

  43. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    18 Jun, 2014 - 3:26 pm

    They look like Orcs, Dre. Or. Dr Doom. I wish the Thing would sing ‘It’s clobberin’ time”.

  44. The photos came with this article. Meant to put it up before.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2631839/Rio-bocop-armed-ready-World-Cup-Elite-troops-carrying-rifles-stun-grenades-combat-knives-tackle-fans-cause-trouble-Brazil.html

    We have seen similar before, eg The G20 at Toronto June 2010.
    This came back to mind. Some of the thugs were identified by the colour markings on the soles of their boots. ttp://www.globalresearch.ca/the-toronto-g20-riot-fraud-undercover-police-engaged-in-purposeful-provocation/19928

  45. “The photos came with this article.”

    What photos Mary? Not the ones I put up from Twitter.

  46. “Integration and miscegenation were actually government policy in Brazil. Around the time that slaves were freed, in 1888, the government sought to whiten its population through the importation of European immigrants. This idea was made law by Decree 528 in 1890 and opened the country’s borders to foreign immigrants, except for those from Africa and Asia.

    “The goal of this immigration effort was depicted in an 1895 painting by Brazilian artist Modesto Brocos known as The Redemption of Ham, which features a black grandmother, mixed-race mother, white father and white baby. The grandmother stands to the left with her hands raised in prayer, praising God that her grandson is white. This, says Brazilian entrepreneur and activist Carlos Alberto David, is the “final point” of racism in Brazil.”

    Extract from here
    http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/06/world_cup_2014_racism_in_soccer_in_the_spotlight.html

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 4:51 pm

    KOWN

    “Take care in this hot dry weather with all that straw around. One stray spark…”
    __________________-

    I hear your warning, but you don’t seriously think that any of the rent-a-mob on here are going to provide the spark, do you?

    They possess neither marks nor sparks.

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 4:55 pm

    KOWN

    “By the way Habbabkuk, I hope you don’t mind me saying, but I think the acronym LOL is probably a bit young for you.”
    ____________________

    No offence taken, KOWN. In fact, I ‘ll let you into a little secret : I noticed that Mary’s used it a few times lately and so thought I might do so also, fortified by the knowledge that Mary’s a wee bit older than I.

    :) (if you’ll allow, KOWN!)

  49. doug scorgie

    18 Jun, 2014 - 4:56 pm

    Daniel
    18 Jun, 2014 – 4:58 am

    You say:

    “Argentina 1978 excepted, it seems to me that white, middle class crowds have always been a feature of world cups going back until at least the 1970.”
    ______________________________________________________

    Why would that be Daniel?

    Any explanation?

  50. All robocops look the same to me. :) Google robocops Brazil and there are dozens of images.

    This one within perhaps fits the bill.
    http://warriorpublications.wordpress.com/2014/06/12/the-world-cup-mega-disaster-is-on/

    MrDaveyD put his tweet up on June 11 with that double photo.

    MrDaveyD @mrdaveyd · Jun 11

    Aaah the world cup.. a pretense for military games.. I see ya down there in Brazil Blackwater..I see ya.. pic.twitter.com/3Rl6YNm5lv
    Embedded image permalink

    Isn’t he out of date with the name. I thought it was Xe and then Academi, or vice versa.

  51. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 5:02 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    BTW, I have a question for you from the previous thread which you appear to have overlooked:

    “Almost daily, eh.

    On a point of information, can you let us know how many drone strikes have been authorised on targets in Pakistan and Afghanistan since the beginning of this year?

    The information is available to the public, but in the light of your comment (above)I would like you to have the pleasure of telling us.”

    Off you go, Doug.

  52. Brazilians seem to be very uncivilized people. In October 2012, visiting Brazilian Foreign Minister Antonio Patriota told Israeli president Shimon Peres that Israel’s threats of military action against the Islamic Republic (just propaganda barking to force Obama to attack Iran on Israel’s behalf during the election year) over its nuclear program are dangerous to the stability of the Middle East. In response, Shimon Peres, whom his fellow American Jewish writer, Stephen Lendman, called a war criminal – told Patriota that his government should boycott Iranian President Dr. Ahmadinejad.

    “We expect Brazil to boycott future meetings with Ahmadinejad. When we met in 2010, I told former president Lula that it was a mistake to sit and talk with Ahmadinejad. Do not be mistaken, Iran is developing nuclear weapons. The Iranian nuclear threat casts a heavy shadow over the whole region,” Peres told Brazilian foreign minister.

    “All the options must be on the table, we would all prefer to solve the problem through negotiations or economic sanctions but if those methods fail the military option will remain and will be serious and credible,” Peres added.

    Patriota also stressed in his meeting with Peres the need for progress in the diplomatic process with the Palestinians. “We are very aware of the tensions in the region; this is a source of great concern for Brazil. We look at some of the situations around the region with concern. We would also like to see peace between Israel and the Palestinians,” he told Peres.

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/10/16/peres-tells-brazil-to-boycott-ahmadinejad/

  53. doug scorgie

    18 Jun, 2014 - 5:21 pm

    My post:
    18 Jun, 2014 – 11:38 am:

    …has been totally ignored by Resident Dissident and Habbabkuk.

    Are they scared to engage in serious debate on the issues I raised?

    Yes, of course.

    They go weak at the knees when any challenge to their ideology is made.

    They simply ignore or insult the messenger.

  54. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 5:58 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “They simply ignore or insult the messenger.”
    ______________________

    The above characterises very nicely the behaviour of the Eminences and their useful idiots, whereas even a cursory glance at any thread will show that Resident Dissident and I (and others) are always ready to engage in vigorous debate and challenge the pensée unique of this blog.

    In that context, may I remind you of the question I posed yesterday concerning the frequency and number of drone strikes (you has said that they occurred “almost daily”)? In case you have already forgotten the question, I’ve re-posted it on this thread at 17h02 today). Look forward to your figures.

  55. “Hard to enjoy the match without thinking of the 25 billion dollars squandered on the tournament by the Brazilian government. . .”

    Gilbert Mercier says very much the same.

  56. I answered the troll partially on drone strikes on the Deadly Fiasco thread.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/06/deadly-fiasco/comment-page-3/#comment-461859

    He didn’t like it and has just said:

    ‘Mary

    “And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force.”
    _________________

    Why the “of course” – because he’s a Jew/Israeli?

    *******************

    Habbabkuk says fight racism and hate-speech.’

    ~~

    Note I said nothing about Jews. I do like the way in which extracts from our posts are repeated. Very useful. All publicity is welcome.

    He should go on that BBC 1 programme Pointless. Should be a winner.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    BBC London News have just reported on the 2nd anniversary of Julian Assange’s incarceration in Ecuador’s embassy. They used the phrase ‘facing trial in Sweden’, which is a lie, and were most exercised about the cost so far to the Met for the police presence, £2m.

    LET JULIAN ASSANGE GO FREE!

  57. doug scorgie

    18 Jun, 2014 - 7:56 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    18 Jun, 2014 – 5:58 pm

    “On a point of information, can you let us know how many drone strikes have been authorised on targets in Pakistan and Afghanistan since the beginning of this year?”

    As you know Habbabkuk US drone strikes were suspended for five months to allow the Pakistan government to have Peace talks with the Taliban.

    The drone strikes have now started again though I admit the use of the term “daily basis” was overstating the frequency.

    Now please answer the points I made on 18 Jun, 2014 – 11:38 am.

    I will allow you some time to confer with Resident Dissident on any reply you make.

  58. Did anyone see this?

    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/89056233474/ed-miliband-speech-to-labour-friends-of-israel

    What planet is he on?

    Sorry if this has already been posted.

  59. “BBC London News have just reported on the 2nd anniversary of Julian Assange’s incarceration in Ecuador’s embassy. They used the phrase ‘facing trial in Sweden’, which is a lie, and were most exercised about the cost so far to the Met for the police presence, £2m.

    LET JULIAN ASSANGE GO FREE!”

    Mary, I mentioned the cost in my article, of not £2m but £7 million based on figures published 6 months ago.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2014/06/17/swedens-politically-motivated-persecution-of-wikileaks-assange/

    Figures can of course be misleading but what is worse than the cost to the taxpayer is the despicable manner in which Australia has let down their citizen in sycophantic homage to its puppeteer, Uncle Sam.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/the-hypocrisy-of-australian-foreign.html

    I realise this is not football, I’m watching the world cup champions going down to Chile, which following their other defeat does not, at this point in time look good for their chances of qualifying should everything remain the same. I have no doubt Professor Marcello Ferrada de Noli will be pleased that his native Chile, where he was imprisoned under Pinochet, are winning. He has been and still is an ardent campaigner for the Wikileaks founder.

    LET JULIAN ASSANGE GO FREE!

  60. Just as I posted my comment Chile went 2 – 0 up.

  61. A crawling Milliband gushes:

    “I want you to know that if I become Prime Minister in less than a year’s time, I will be proud to do so as a friend of Israel, a Jew and, most of all, someone who feels so proud to be part of the community gathered here today.”

    Seems it’s got as bad as Amerika. You can’t get elected in Britain unless you first prostrate yourself at the feet of Israel and its criminal elites.

    Britain, Europe and the US have no future unless they put their own interests before those of Israel.

    There’s no sign that’ll happen until we rid ourselves of the current class of political creeps.

  62. No Aidworker1 it had not been posted. I read it through growing more despondent by the minute. He is a disgrace. One thing though, he will never be PM and Liebour have had it especially so recently connected to Blair the war criminal.

    We have no electoral choices whatsoever at the present time.

  63. Mary Herbie,

    Coming home today I though exactly that. We have no electoral choices whatsoever.

    It’s depressing and any dissent will be met by watercannon.

  64. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:55 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “The drone strikes have now started again though I admit the use of the term “daily basis” was overstating the frequency.”

    ______________________

    Thank you for admitting you exaggerated when you claimed that drones strikes take place “almost daily”.

    In fact, on the figures your mother (Mary) supplied and figures I’ve looked up myself there have been (very roughly) 300 drones strikes on all countries (ie not just Pakistan) under President Obama’s watch. That is equivalent (again, very roughly) to about one a week.

    Hence you over-stated your case by a factor of 7.

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:59 pm

    Mary

    “He didn’t like it and has just said:

    ‘Mary

    “And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force.”
    _________________

    Why the “of course” – because he’s a Jew/Israeli?”

    ************************

    Go on, Mary, answer the question – why the “of course” in your comment?

    Why Abraham Karem “of course”??

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:03 pm

    This comment of Mary’s:

    “And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force.”

    would, ironically, be more at home on Stormfront* than on CM.

    Shameful and vile.

    _____________________
    * where Mary was once suspected of commenting (we accepted her denials of course)

  67. The extent of pernicious penetration and power is so much so that none dares to point to the origins of the power and its source for fear of “antisemi,…….” and the usual barrage of insults and epithets (that is the degree of control, note the number of shills permanently assigned to push the prescribed narrative and keep the proscribed notions of “fools” in check);

    Musings of a “Tokyo Rose”, “Lord Haw-Haw”, and a poopy pants second rate ……..

    It is cheaper to buy a “congressman/Member of Parliament/Apparatchik” from the western Parliaments/Congress/Senates emporiums than a tank, the former provide the soldiers too at no extra cost, to fight the wars they are ordered to, at considerably less costs, and great savings!

    Depressing is mentioned? Obviously domestic extremists and haters to a man!!!

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:17 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    Now that you have admitted your exaggeration, I propose to salute that rare event by quickly answering the two questions you posed. I hope you will pay attention to my answers.

    1/. “I think that countries with vast poverty levels should not host expensive international events.”
    __________________________

    I would tend to agree with that (unless in the unlikely event that another country or other countries paid the bills)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    2/. “I think the priority of those countries should be lifting people out of poverty through the redistribution of wealth.”

    _________________________

    I agree that lifting its people out of poverty should be a priority; whether it should be the first priority, however, might depend on the characteristics of that country and the exact circumstances it finds itself in. Furthermore, whether this should be achieved solely through the redistribution of wealth, as your statement seems to imply, might be a matter for discussion in that it is possible that a palette of means might be called for/be more effective.

    PS – you will have to take those answers as they stand; as the saying goes “The Editor will not enter into correspondence on this matter”. :) But in exchange, I shall not press you for answers to various outstanding questions from me.

    ***********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  69. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:19 pm

    Fedup

    Your language seems to have improved since you last put in an appearance on this blog and so it is with some diffidence that I would respectfully ask you to:

    fuck off.

    Thank you.

  70. Jack Fletcher

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:28 pm

    Spectator demographics is a weak fundament for the argument being presented here. A good case is snooker where the level of diversity among spectator demographics bears so little resemblance to player demographics. And if you compare tv spectator demographics versus physically present spectators you get a totally different dynamic picture. Don’t please muck around with presenting crass argument based on personal impression and then somehow pretend that it is an educated observation. Just present your case as a personal impression. As it stands your blog entry this time round says more about your prejudices than those you present as defending your argument.

  71. Is the cheap sherry kicking in? Sound out of control..
    Your facile question containing another pathetic Storm front slur was answered much earlier on the Deadly Fiasco post. You are both deadly and a fiasco. Go to bed and sleep it off.

  72. Resident Dissident

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:48 pm

    @scourge

    My post:
    18 Jun, 2014 – 11:38 am:

    …has been totally ignored by Resident Dissident and Habbabkuk.

    Until about an hour a go I’ve been doing a little thing called work – you really should try it sometimes as you clearly need something to stretch your rather lazy brain.

    So let’s look at your original post:

    “I think that countries with vast poverty levels should not host expensive international events.

    I think the priority of those countries should be lifting people out of poverty through the redistribution of wealth.

    Do you agree ResDis?

    I doubt it:”

    Well actually I do – as would almost every other believer in social democracy and Keynesianism like myself – where we of course differ is the means of achieving that progress – the little word “democracy” and also believe that the market mechanism has a part to play in the allocation of resources.

    “Such policies requires (among other things) higher taxation to pay for development of housing, healthcare, infrastructure, job creation etc…

    That is prioritising the poor (majority) over the rich (minority).”

    Well again here I agree – but before you go expounding the superiority of the BRICs perhaps you could go and do a little research and compare tax rates and public spending levels in Western European democracies on all those good things with say that in Putin’s Russia – I think once you completed your survey you may have a rather different view as to what has been achieved by our democracies despite the opposition from wealthy and individuals and corporations and their fair and foul means. You see if you can convince people of the strength of your arguments (difficult in your case admittedly), show some basic competence and on going respect for democratic means – then those who wish to oppose will find it rather more difficult.

    “A good illustration of this is Venezuela where rich individuals and corporations have, for years, undermined the democratically elected government, which has been trying to bring about the elimination of poverty, illiteracy and health inequality.”

    NO this is not a good illustration – the people in charge have failed to show basic economic competence, a disregard for the better features of market economies, not a little corruption, together with a disdain for freedom of speech and other basic liberties which has then allowed their opponents to legitimately claim their commitment to democracy and liberty is skin deep and as a result erode their core support. I’m afraid this level of incompetence is often associated with the infantile leftism than you support – which does not realise that democracies work by making coalitions with some of those that do not fully share your thinking ( at a rough guess something in excess of 99% of the population in your case)

    “Democracy, of course, is only acceptable to the likes of Resident Dissident; Habbabkuk et al, if the government elected is right-wing neoliberal capitalist.”

    Well Habba can speak for himself and my guess he would like to a right of centre government as opposed to the more left of centre one that I would favour – but I should add that we probably both agree that despite all your protestations to the contrary we are both quite happy with systems where governments can change in response to what people want and where they are offered a choice, and then their periodic decisions are respected. You will of course say that such a choice is illusory – but then rather bizarrely back regimes where the alternatives offered are even narrower and the freedom to campaign and argue for a change is even more limited.

    Might I ever so kindly suggest that the main reason why democracy doesn’t work for you is that your ideas are so obviously flawed that they will never convince a sufficient number of people to support them – and that rather than seeking to elect another people it might be your ideas that perhaps need a little bit of examination before they are given any further airing in public. I come from a family with a long radical history and was given an upbringing that was well versed in democratic socialist thinking and lets just say if you cannot even start to convince me and others from a similar political background – lets just say you days as a political irrelevance are likely to continue for a long long time.

    Just a hint if you want to set up a straw man try and make it look just a little bit realistic.

  73. Resident Dissident

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:54 pm

    “We have no electoral choices whatsoever at the present time.”

    So can we expect to see LAdy Dorking, and her over powering arguments, on the Ballot paper in Surrey Central at the next General Election? Or don’t you have the courage of your convictions?

  74. Resident Dissident

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:00 pm

    @Aidworker

    “Coming home today I though exactly that. We have no electoral choices whatsoever.”

    Very easy to register yourself as a candidate and then we would have an electoral choice – what you really mean is that you know that next to no one could be convinced to vote for your crackpot ideas so best to try and bring them about through other means. Meanwhile you prefer to defecate all over the memories of our descendants who fought tooth and nail for the democratic freedoms that we have.

  75. Resident Dissident

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:03 pm

    I always find it slightly ominous how those who attack western democracy are always rather less vocal on the alternatives that they would like to see.

  76. Resident Dissident

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:09 pm

    “Just as I posted my comment Chile went 2 – 0 up.”

    I suppose the linkage between these events is rather greater than we normally see from this source. Lets talk about how Mother Russia scraped a lucky draw against plucky South Korea – surely punishment for all those tanks and other military goodies they let slip into Ukraine.

  77. Fedup

    Well said…Been a while, nice to see ya back

    P.S Don’t fall for it

    P.P.S. An old regular returns after a Long absence… And is told to fuck off… No Debate… Just Fuck off

    Mods FFs

  78. ” I always find it slightly ominous how those who attack western democracy are always rather less vocal on the alternatives that they would like to see.”

    Include.

  79. I’m getting that déjà vu feeling all over again:

    Resident Dissident (18 Jun, 2014 – 11:00 pm) wrote:

    “Meanwhile you prefer to defecate all over the memories of our descendants who fought tooth and nail for the democratic freedoms that we have.”

    You mean antecedents/ancestors, surely? Please try to do better. Jacket: Shaky nail.

    Next!

  80. Resident Dissident 18 Jun, 2014 – 11:03 pm

    “I always find it slightly ominous how those who attack western democracy are always rather less vocal on the alternatives that they would like to see.”

    I’d settle for a form of democracy that works. It is plain that ours doesn’t, otherwise ‘we’ wouldn’t be spending billions imposing it on middle east oil-producing countries.

    Direct democracy is the most promising system that I am aware of, and I would gladly swap it for our system. A recent example of a country using this system led to such unheard of improvements in standards of health, education, wealth and gender equality, housing, employment, national prosperity, infrastructure, and general standard of living, that less successful democracies invaded it and had its leader horrifically beaten to death in front of TV cameras to discourage other countries from trying it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

  81. They fought tooth AND nail. How unusual.

  82. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:04 am

    ‘I always find it slightly ominous how those who attack western democracy are always rather less vocal on the alternatives that they would like to see.”

    I’ve noticed that you and Hab are always the last to see and respond to undeserved replies. Stop repeating the same inane bullshit and try reading along with comprehension of same.

  83. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:19 am

    BTW; Also stop the pusillanimous drive-bys. Your pot shots reveal a cowardly foundation, RD.

  84. Fedup.

    Let me join with Brian in welcoming you back.

    Your return got Dad and RD all excited and competing to see who could earn the first bonus.

    Dad is confident that his debating classes have put him ahead of the game and I have to admit his nuanced (“Fuck off.”) was, by his standards, pretty impressive.

    But I think tonight’s award has to go to RD ( “…you prefer to defecate all over the memories of our descendants.”

    Who can argue with that?

    However hard our Deadly Duo try tough, I don’t believe they’ll ever match Putin’s secret propaganda weapon. Here she is explaining the latest Ukrainian peace initiatives…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2ghdAUpf4

  85. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:36 am

    RD and Habdad frequently debate with a frenzied circular firing squad’s competence, or a round-in-the-chamber accident.

    http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/macon/2014/06/16/crime-reports-macon-june-16/10631943/

  86. BrianFujisan

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:38 am

    Cameroon, Deary, Deary Me…And Spain WTF.

    Best stick to other matters….Such as -

    This Brilliant, Brilliant, interview – 8th june…
    R.T. with the Wise DR Jan Oberg.

    It Covers Very Much.. Nato, Russia, Ukraine, industrial military complex, Nuclear policy, MSM, Ect, Ect… EVEN PEACE… And More PEACE….

    So i dedicate this to all PEACE WISHER’S…. And also Oor Very Own Peacewisher

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAbVwAqpFwk

  87. Pope Francis: ‘Inside every Christian is a Jew’!

    Don’t you love this guy!

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/19/pope-francis-inside-every-christian-is-a-jew/

  88. Brazil – then – and now?

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/brazil-inconvenient-history/

    Interesting.

  89. What a piece of work. That is Cathy Newman of Channel 4 News last night in her failed attempt to harangue Julian Assange on a mobile outside the Embassy. She got Michael Ratner instead, his lawyer. She would hardly let him speak.

    In this thread on medialens, ‘Brooks’ has made a transcript of her comments and parses them. This was the British corporate media in full flow.

    I thought this one of hers was ace. She is referring to supporters like John Pilger and Craig Murray who I am sure have continued to stick by Julian.

    ‘Newman…One by one, supporters of Julian Assange have become disillusioned.’

    ~~~

    And by the way Resident Dissident, I keep telling you that there is no such person as Lady Dorking and why would I want to join any of the fascists in Pugin’s Palace or County Hall anyway. I think you have to go to the root of our ‘democratic’ system, ie a parish council to see democracy in action. Any interests are honestly declared and there is proper representation. In the borough council and county council systems there is greed, preferment, collusion and gross inefficiency. Councillors are party political and that is the problem as they act at the central government’s bidding like sheep. An Independent or a Ratepayers’ representative is now a rare beast.

    Did you enjoy firing out your five posts last night in the space of 20 mins? Do you have your comments all ready prepared on a pro forma system? You are a really impressive contributor here!

  90. Link to the Cathy Newman/Julian Assange thread.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1403126808.html

  91. Paxman packed up last night but I bet it’s not the last we see of him on the box. Earlier in the day he was shown on the back of a wobbly tandem with the ambitious and faux buffoon Boris.

    I like this tweet. Says it all.

    Tony Shenton
    @tony_shenton

    Paxman willingly riding a tandem bike steered by Boris Johnson. A better metaphor for the current state of @BBCNews would be hard to imagine

    10:37 p.m. Wed, Jun 18

    Paxman is said to ‘earn’ £1m from the licence fee pot.
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jul/13/bbc-pay-cuts-million-pound-stars

    He was given a nice little series to do on WW1 which coincided with the publication of his spin off book Great Britain’s Great War. Both were dull and pedestrian. Who wants to be reminded again of that terrible slaughter? We have had enough recent bloodshed. The ‘lessons to be learned’ go unlearned.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/book-review-great-britains-great-war-by-jeremy-paxmanfighting-on-the-home-front-by-kate-adie-8886724.html

  92. “Pope Francis: ‘Inside every Christian is a Jew’!”

    Wow, our very Catholic habba (and CMs personal court jester) is even known personally to his Pope , bwahahahahahaha !

  93. Resident Dissident

    19 Jun, 2014 - 7:00 am

    You mean antecedents/ancestors, surely?

    Yes – but is that the best you can do – really?

    Anode

    And what do you mean exactly by direct democracy – cutting out the persuading people and getting them to vote part? Or Lenin’s democratic centralism? Or sitting unwashed in a tent for many weeks claiming that you are part of the 99%? I’m afraid a little more precision is required.

  94. This is absolutely classic. The same speech made by the Australian and Canadian heads of state two days apart which helped take us into an illegal war in Iraq. Who pulls the strings in Resident Dissident and Habbabkuk’s free west. Any relevant comment welcome from non-eminences.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvnaLs_jsI4#t=92

  95. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 8:22 am

    Did anyone see this?

    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/89056233474/ed-miliband-speech-to-labour-friends-of-israel

    What planet is he on?

    That is an eye-opener.I knew he was Jewish, of course. I didn’t realise quite how Jewish. He plays it down for general consumption, but he obviously inhabits that exclusive little alternate universe with its own language and no interest whatever in UK priorities. So, Planet Israel.

  96. RD.

    I know trying to sit through those endless planning meetings with Dad can wear a person down but is that really any excuse for this morning’s offering?

    BTW A node gave you a link explaining Direct Democracy in english. How about reading then we can get to the discussion part.

    And while you are educating yourself here’s a map, courtesy of CNN which just clarify the whole ISIL / Ukraine thing…. http://en.alalam.ir/news/1593598

  97. Thanks for that press release Aidworker1, very revealing but not suprising. The vast majority of Labour supporters have no idea that he is another warmonger who thinks that Iran is a threat.

    ‘Iran has not attacked another nation for 250 years, Ed, and the UK is reopening its embassy there, now that business can return and punative sanctions are on the way out, so what are you licking the backsidses of warmongers for?’

  98. Here, addressing Labour Friends of Palestine and Middle East, Miliband says it was a good decision to not invade Syria and he likes Palestinians or something along those lines.

    I am shocked. Where is this politician’s consistency?

  99. ‘Did anyone see this?’ @ Ba’al.

    Yes Aidworker1 posted it above last night and comments followed.

    Miliband is an out and out Zionist, even more so than Brown, Cameron and all the Friends of Israel in ALL parties.

  100. Ba’al. Red face. I see you were copying part of Aidworker1′s post.

  101. Miliband is toast anyway.

    ‘Many of today’s papers report that pressure is mounting on Ed Miliband after two new polls indicated that most voters believe he is not up to becoming prime minister.

    The Guardian leads with news that Ed Miliband will today set out Labour’s first plans for cuts to the welfare system, ending out-of-work benefits for roughly 100,000 18- to 21-year-olds and replacing them with a less costly means-tested payment dependent on being in training.’

    Indistinguishable from a ConDem.

  102. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 9:29 am

    Where is this politician’s consistency?

    lol.

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 10:15 am

    Resident Dissident

    Superb post at 22h48 yesterday!

    First and foremost for its content, which deserves to stand as one of this blog’s “definitive statements” or “milestones” if you will.

    Its quality is attested by the flurry of furious comments your post attracted for the rest of the evening; I have this pleasing image in my mind of various Eminences and useful idiots going puce-faced and choking over their cups of cocoa as their little fingers scrabble desperately with the keys of their PC :)

    No one managed to land a blow on you, of course – pure magic!

    (No reaction from Mr Scorgie, to whose questions your post was in fact replying)

  104. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 10:21 am

    OK, here’s Milband’s role model two days ago.

    http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Blair-condemns-wicked-and-terrible-kidnapping-of-three-Israeli-tenns-359742

    Blair told Army Radio that the international community sent its condolences and “heartfelt sympathy and solidarity” to the families of the three youths.

    “There is nothing but revulsion in the international community for this act,” Blair said when asked why it took four days for him to issue an official condemnation of the kidnapping.

    The reason being he was too busy pontificating about Europe while schmoozing the Chinese leadership.

    Note (1) He is now speaking on behalf of the entire international community.
    (2) He’ll change his melodious little tune if the kidnapping proves to be a false-flag aimed at wrecking the Hamas-Fatah accord – not at all unlikely.
    (3) No-one is yet known to have been killed.

    Mr. Blair is currently working on his melanoma in Marbella.

  105. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 10:32 am

    Ba’al (10h21)

    Thank you for once again taking the time to explain the true significance of various events (or non-events) for the benefit of ordinary mortals siting in the shadow of Mt Olympus.

    Thanks also for continuing to keep us up-to-date regarding bLiar’s whereabouts!

  106. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 10:35 am

    “Mr. Blair is currently working on his melanoma in Marbella.”
    _____________________

    To which I would add that Mr Cameron is in London, Mr Obama in Washington, Mr Chirac in Paris, I am here and Ba’al is there.

    I knew you’d be interested! :)

  107. Dad.

    “I am here”

    And here is where you are in spirit.

    Maybe you can explain why this was neccesary.

  108. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 11:07 am

    More on those abducted teenagers:
    http://indilens.com/41882-international-media-ignore-israels-abduction-of-palestinian-teens/

    Well, not those abducted teenagers, exactly.

    Still waiting for Our Saviour to offer the condolences of the world….

  109. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 11:11 am

    Is your Dad being a pain again, Sofia? And it’s fully five days after full moon. That exorcist wasn’t much good, then. I know a vet who’s had some success with dogs, if you want to stop the howling, though.

  110. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 11:22 am

    Tony’s visit to Kuwait on the 17th was completely unreported except by the Kuwaiti sheiks themselves. What was he doing there? Funding Sunni insurgents?

    http://www.ianbirrell.com/tony-blair-has-moved-beyond-parody/#more-2271

    There is evidence that significant finance flowed from and through Kuwait, an initially supportive regime turning a blind eye to donations in its desire to see President Bashar Assad overthrown. Curiously, millions also flowed from this same oil-rich state into Blair’s companies.

    Or…?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2353245/RICHARD-KAY-Doubts-Blairs-27m-Kuwait-deal.html

    Ah. Contract renewal.

  111. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 11:30 am

    The Dear Ex-Leader also visited Cairo. The media are quiet about this too – MEM merely giving a couple of lines to Blair’s meeting with his apparent hero Sisi (anag. ISIS). But it notes that a Commons delegation left Cairo around the time Blair arrived. Once again, the suspicion of collusion arises.

  112. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    19 Jun, 2014 – 10:15 am

    Re Resident Dissident:
    “(No reaction from Mr Scorgie, to whose questions your post was in fact replying)”

    It takes time to deconstruct a cleverly worded none-answer Habbabkuk

    I’ve a lot of work on at the moment but I will be back.

    As they say: a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on.

  113. Return of the other neocon Zionist Millipede?

    Something I put forward as a possibility a while back on another thread:

    “A YouGov poll for Prospect magazine suggested more voters believe David Miliband would make a [better] prime minister than his brother Ed, who beat him in the contest for the job in 2010.”

  114. Ba’al.

    I’m sorry about Dad. It’s so embarrassing!

    We’ve tried everything, vets, priests, Rentokil, Academi (they left in tears!) and all, but to no avail.

    And you should hear the racket from the garden shed everytime RD visits (which is most of the time) and the Prendergasts have put up that ugly 20ft high concrete wall but they found a way to get over and we’re at our wits’ end…

  115. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 11:50 am

    “A YouGov poll for Prospect magazine suggested more voters believe David Miliband would make a [better] prime minister than his brother Ed, who beat him in the contest for the job in 2010.”

    A pig in a wig would make a better PM. (And would have no hope of schmoozing Israel).

  116. I speculated “Any relevant comment welcome from non-eminences.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvnaLs_jsI4#t=92

    What I got was this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4

  117. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 12:25 pm

    I’m sorry about Dad. It’s so embarrassing!

    Can’t hear him at all Sofia. I’ve got my e-arplugs (here – very reasonable – https://greasyfork.org/scripts/246-habbabreak ). They block out the old cat next door, too – fights all night and would come and crap in the veg plot if I hadn’t connected the leeks to the mains. But I remember what it used to be like.

  118. Inclusive John seems to be the term stated to set the dichotomy.
    This article opens up the argument to less inclusive ideals of peace and stability or at least a revision on protocols that is corporate expansion through destructive economic growth.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/11/10/edited-by-alexander-cockburn-and-jeffrey-st-clair/

    This link from Herbie is interesting to those with a fertile imagination beyond that of the global representation that is western man.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_gj1uZ6194

  119. Resident Dissident: “And what do you mean exactly by direct democracy?”

    As Sophia pointed out, the answer to your question is in the first sentence of my link.

    “Direct democracy (also known as pure democracy) is a form of democracy in which people decide (e.g. vote on, form consensus on) policy initiatives directly, as opposed to a representative democracy in which people vote for representatives who then decide policy initiatives.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

    Since you like things spelled out for you, I will clarify that the country using direct democracy which “led to such unheard of improvements in standards of health, education, wealth and gender equality, housing, employment, national prosperity, infrastructure, and general standard of living …” was Libya. The West ‘liberated’ the Syrian people from that system. In your opinion, has Libya’s standard of living improved or declined as a result?

    If you feel that Libya hasn’t yet had time to enjoy the benefits of Western-style democracy, please list those that have accrued to Afghanistan and Iraq.

  120. ” the country using direct democracy which “led to such unheard of improvements in standards of health, education, wealth and gender equality, housing, employment, national prosperity, infrastructure, and general standard of living …” was Libya ”

    Have you always been so naive? I know of some Nigerian businessmen who would love to talk to you.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439×2179639

    I’d like to see a link describing these near Utopian conditions in Libya that can be reliably dated to before Gaddafis fall.

  121. Kempe: “I’d like to see a link describing these near Utopian conditions in Libya that can be reliably dated to before Gaddafis fall.”

    Which are you disputing?

  122. I thought you would like the chance of listening to the mellifluous tones of Yuval Steinitz, Israeli Minister of Intelligence, Minister of International Relations and Minister of Strategic Affairs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuval_Steinitz

    This smiler is one of the many at the centre of the web. He was asked what the opinion of ‘Israel’ was about Isis, Iran and Iraq. Great irony but mostly gross hypocrisy (especially re Iran’s ‘nuclear programme’ given that his entity did more than light the fuse.

    ZBC Radio 4 Today http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b046ntnx 1hr.09mins in for 6 mins. Don’t know where Mr Regev has gone. Perhaps he’s out for the day with Sofia’s Dad.

  123. Impeachment
    By John Rentoul
    Wednesday, 18 June 2014

    I was going to explain why Sir Peter Tapsell, the longest-serving MP, had shown that neither length of service nor a grand manner is a guarantee of good sense. He asked David Cameron at Prime Minister’s Questions:

    ‘Is he aware of the growing sentiment that, as the publication of the Chilcot report is being so long delayed, the ancient, but still existing, power of backbenchers to commence the procedures of impeachment should now be activated to bring Mr Tony Blair to account for allegedly misleading the House on the necessity of the invasion of Iraq in 2003?’

    It is odd, just as it was in Simon Heffer’s case, that a traditionalist should fall for a device that has mainly been promoted by people who have no idea what the word means but who confuse it with the constitutional procedure in the United States. Even then it is being confused with a confusion, because many people, even many Americans, think impeachment means sacking a president who has committed a crime. I could remind them that to impeach means to charge and that Bill Clinton was impeached but acquitted.

    I could remind Sir Peter that the parliamentary procedure has been in effect obsolete since 1867. (Thanks to Malcolm Redfellow.)

    I could say that it is hardly to Sir Peter’s credit, or Heffer’s, or Boris Johnson’s (Boris, incidentally, who gave a stirring speech in the House on the eve of military action castigating Blair for wasting time at the UN) that they should go along with a Plaid Cymru publicity stunt.

    I could point out that all these puffed-up legalisms – war criminal, The Hague, malfeasance in public office, war of aggression, high crimes and misdemeanours – are fancy ways of saying, “I didn’t agree with the war.”

    But I’ve done it a hundred times before, and what is the point?
    ~~~
    Short and sweet from the BLiar biographer. His defence of his patron is to rubbish Tapsell. You can tell he can’t pull anything better to say than this out of his handbag.

  124. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:38 pm

    I don’t think representative democracy has been tried; the technology to make it possible is too recent. I certainly don’t see Libya as being its exemplar – have I misunderstood the argument? The driving force behind the societal improvements we were so happy to help destroy was the shrewdly-negotiated oil contract.

  125. Kempe, will this do for starters.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUgVlMDbyl4

    It is the irrigation underground river scheme of Muammur Gadaffi. But of course when some people see things with their own eyes they still don’t believe. “Blessed are they . . .”

    Of course that was before NATO bombed the shit out of it.

  126. “I will clarify that the country using direct democracy which “led to such unheard of improvements in standards of health, education, wealth and gender equality, housing, employment, national prosperity, infrastructure, and general standard of living …” was Libya.”

    Comedy hour, I presume. But I suppose Ghadaffi was one of the unwashed sitting in tents referred to by RD above.

  127. Ba’al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun) 19 Jun, 2014 – 1:38 pm

    “I don’t think representative democracy has been tried”

    I’m confused. Do you mean “I don’t think direct democracy has been tried”?

    If so, a form of it was practised by Libya called “Jamahiriya” (state of the masses).

    In practice, the government was organized into “people’s committees”, which were local representatives. Each people’s committee reported to the General People’s Committee, which was Gaddafi’s cabinet, with Gaddafi as the General Secretary and the primary decision maker.

    The people’s committees consisted of local people from each municipality who were elected into the position and served a three year term. This went through several different variations and forms, with the people’s committees being formed at different levels, but ultimately the decision was to leave them at the municipality level.

    To be clear, I don’t believe it is by any means a perfect system of government. In our Western society, it would invest a lot of power in the hands of the opinion formers, ie the media, but there again, they already have that power. Nonetheless, it would be far better than what we have now. For example, I don’t believe we would have gone to war with Iraq if the general population voted on it.

  128. “Comedy hour, I presume. But I suppose Ghadaffi was one of the unwashed sitting in tents referred to by RD above.”

    How lovely to see ESLO referring to himself in the guise of RD during his lunch hour. Tonight it will be back to RD again. You should have seen the link I just posted for Kempe. But Libya was a lot more progressive than that. The world could learn from it, but won’t.

  129. Here are 16 things before NATO liberated Libya that were Utopian. The last is the underground irrigation and water-supply system linked in my last but one comment.

    http://disinfo.com/2011/10/16-things-libya-will-never-see-again/

  130. ….. so to summerise the debate so far ……

    Resident Dissident throws out a general invitation to those who criticise Western democracy to suggest an alternative.

    I did so, politely.

    Res Diss replies: “….Or sitting unwashed in a tent for many weeks claiming that you are part of the 99%?”

    Kempe replies: “Have you always been so naive? I know of some Nigerian businessmen who would love to talk to you.”

    ESLO replies: “Comedy hour, I presume. But I suppose Ghadaffi was one of the unwashed sitting in tents referred to by RD above.”

  131. Mr Goss

    Two things

    - stop being so ignorant – if Libya was progressive under Ghadaffi you really need to do some learning or recalibrate your moral compass

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Libya

    - stop being so rude – despite your febrile imagination, I am not Resident Dissident – and no I will not justify myself to an immoral idiot such as yourself. My lunch hour is now over so goodbye.

  132. Holy crap. http://cryptome.org/2014/06/nsa-spiegel-snowden-14-0618.pdf

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-expected-to-open-investigation-into-nsa-spying-on-merkel-a-973326.html

    When NATO breaks up I guess you’ll find out the alternatives to Western so-called democracy.

    NSA espionage and sabotage breach conventional international law including ICCPR Article 17 and Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (Article 27 clause 2, Article 30 clause 2, and Article 49) particularly since the legal precedent of Questions relating to the Seizure and Detention of Certain Documents and Data (Timor-Leste v. Australia.) Under the law of diplomacy, espionage is duplicitous proceedings, which give legal grounds for suspending or invalidating international agreements. Documented NSA duplicity lets countries demand renegotiation of all sorts of agreements: trade treaties, international organization charters, even alliances.

    NSA’s missions, espionage and sabotage, are treated in the Geneva Conventions as irregular methods of warfare: “une activité préjudiciable à la sécurité de l’Etat.” Then there’s NSA complicity in targeting protected persons and noncombatants for the war crimes of murder and torture in breach of international criminal law including the Geneva Convention common articles. Peacetime espionage is a breach of the principle of non-intervention, a legal absolute just like the ban on use or threat of force – coercive intervention is as serious a crime as aggression.

    The prohibited nature of NSA conduct is reinforced by customary international law including UDHR Article 12 and American Declaration Article X. Offenses like espionage and sabotage that are criminalized in every jurisdiction are a natural part of customary international law and can be enforced by judgments in the International Court of Justice.

    The US as a treaty party is responsible for making good NSA espionage and sabotage, including contracted wrongful acts under state direction and control. The potential restitution, compensation, satisfaction, and interest for NSA’s conduct is unknown and potentially ruinous. State responsibility principles governing reparations specifically include the moral damage of “personal affront associated with an intrusion on one’s home or private life.”

    Nice work, shitheads, put that in your NSA budget.

  133. What Brit opera fans has to say about this?

    New York’s Metropolitan Opera has cancelled plans for a global simulcast to cinemas of John Adam’s ‘The Death of Klinghoffer’ amid objections from powerful Jewish-Israel lobby group Anti-Defamation League (ADL) which claims the opera glorify “Palestinian terrorism” and could stir hatred toward Jews and Israel.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/19/adl-the-death-of-klinghoffer-is-anti-israel/

  134. @A Node

    That’s what we used to call “mob rule”.

  135. Dear ESLO, you need some objective source rather than Israeli Hasbara Wikipedia to learn truth behind Libya and other Muslim nation-states.

    Not long ago, Libyan under Qaddafi administration were enjoying many privileges which Americans and Israelis are still dreaming; free medicare, free education, free housing, interest-free banking, etc. Then Qaddafi made a big boo-boo. He asked fellow African leaders to stop borrowing from World Bank and IMF. Qaddafi created three banking institutions with $200 billion capital to fund African nations. This ‘antisemitic’ act made Qaddafi an enemy of Israel and Jews.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/05/18/libya-and-western-humanitarian-mess/

  136. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    19 Jun, 2014 - 2:44 pm

    RD; “No one managed to land a blow on you, of course ”

    It’s hardly magic when a greased piglet evades capture, or when a nail fails to keep gelatin fastened to the wall.

  137. I laughed out loud at the Freedom House US-funded ratings of freedom for Libya in the Wikipedia link, but a lot of the piece was fair. See how much freer Libya became after NATO liberated it, at least according to Freedom House. This was after Gadaffi had been murdered. Rehmat appears to have got your measure ESLO (RD).

    Yes, Ukraine is a fitting partner for NATO. This short video shows how Slavyansk looked before and after they started liberating it. Similar in some ways to how Libya once looked before it was made free. So much better now ESLO (RD). Wouldn’t you agree?

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/06/16/slavyansk-before-and-after-kiev-nazi-revolution-video.html

  138. Success for the Aboriginal people here.

    19 Jun 2014

    Muckaty Mob Win Battle To Stop Nuclear Dumping Ground
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/06/19/muckaty-mob-win-battle-stop-nuclear-dumping-ground

    and from the Melbourne lawyer in the case

    Muckaty nuclear dump defeat is a huge victory for Aboriginal Australia
    This has been hard fought litigation, and we are proud to have given voice to the resilience and determination of our clients
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/19/muckaty-nuclear-dump-defeat-is-a-huge-victory-for-aboriginal-australia

  139. ” free medicare, free education, free housing, interest-free banking, ”

    As the link I posted up earlier says half the above statements are plainly untrue and free does not mean quality. The Bulgarain nurses who were set up as scapegoats and sentenced to death to cover up AIDS infections in a filthy Libyan hospital appear to have been forgotten.

    For forty odd years now there’s been a general consensus that Gaddafi was a slightly potty dictator who ruled over a country with a terrible human rights record and a tendency to state funded terrorism (including the IRA). Since his demise however the useful idiots on the left have been fooled into re-inventing him as an all round Mr Nice-Guy and Libya as some sort of neo-socialist Utopia. The fact that there are two or more versions of how wonderful life was in Libya ought to ring alarm bells but apparently it hasn’t.

    How the CIA/NATO/NWO/Lizard Men managed to stir the Libyan people to rebel against their comfortable lifestyles and turn against their generous benefactor has yet to be satisfactorily explained. Mass hypnosis by HAARP perhaps or maybe MOSSAD controlled zombies added flouride to the drinking water.

  140. Fred: That’s what we used to call “mob rule”.

    Then you were using the wrong term.

    The Oxford English Dictionary defines “mob rule” thus: “Control of a political situation by those outside the conventional or lawful realm, typically involving violence and intimidation”. That’s certainly doesn’t describe direct democracy which specifically includes the mass of people within the lawful decision-making process.

    Maybe you were thinking of “ochlocracy”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy

  141. ESLO, 2:13 pm; given what happened with your and Resident Dissident’s e-mail addresses, regarding you and Resident Dissident as most likely the same person is reasonable; guessing at the odds, it seems the most likely explanation. If it really was a coincidence, that’s most unfortunate for you; you’ll just have to live with the suspicion unless you change your credentials again, secretly.

  142. Kempe, you’re brainwashed by MSM. Even Wikipedia says:

    In 2006, Amnesty International called for an independent inquiry into unconfirmed deaths that occurred in Abu Salim maximum security prison during the 1996 riot.[25] In 2009, Human Rights Watch believes that 1,270 prisoners were killed.[26][27] However, Human Rights Watch states that they were unable to independently verify the allegations. The claims cited by Human Rights Watch are based on the testimony of a single former inmate, Hussein Al Shafa’i, who stated that he did not witness a prisoner being killed: “I could not see the dead prisoners who were shot…”[28]

    and
    The figure of 1200 killed was arrived at by Al Shafa’i allegedly calculating the number of meals he prepared when he was working in the prison’s kitchen. At the same time, Al Shafa’i stated “I was asked by the prison guards to wash the watches that were taken from the bodies of the dead prisoners…” [28]

    and:

    The Libyan insurgents claimed that 1270 people were buried at a supposed mass grave they discovered.[30] However, investigators from CNN and other organizations found only what appeared to be animal bones at the site.

    and:

    In June 2011, a detailed investigation carried out by Amnesty International claimed that many of the allegations against Gaddafi and the Libyan state turned out to either be false or lack any credible evidence, noting that rebels at times appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence. According to the Amnesty investigation, the number of casualties was heavily exaggerated, some of the protesters may have been armed, “there is no proof of mass killing of civilians on the scale of Syria or Yemen,” and there is no evidence that aircraft or heavy anti-aircraft machine guns were used against crowds. It also doubted claims from the Western media that the protest movement was “entirely peaceful” and “presented no security challenge.”

    Gadaffi, was doing a good job, but somebody did not like it. What if they learned in the west, where unemployment and food prices are so high, how good life could be under a better economic system. That would not look good when we see how all the wealth here is stolen by a few oligarchs, gangsters and bankers. So they went to steal Libyan wealth too. Wake up. Kempe, this is your wake up call.

  143. Kempe, the useful idiots were Sarkozy who used him to bankroll his election campaign, and Bliar when he was lobbying for oil & arms contracts in the desert to name but a few.
    Ghadafi kept the Libyan tribes in a fragile peace for over 40 years , irrigated the desert and his man made river project would’ve been a modern wonder of the world had our brave boys in the RAF not destroyed it.It was no secret that medical standards were high and that students received a free education whether home or abroad.British farmers received grants to cultivate the green and barren area’s on the edges of the cities.I’m quite sure Ghadafi was slightly potty, but his green book made sense.He spent his life trying in vain to unite the Arab speaking world and knew the evil intentions of the west only too well.Libya wasn’t no Utopia but it was 1000 times better than the way we left it.
    He had outlived his usefulness and knew too much, and then wanted to introduce a gold based currency.Funny how any competitor to the Dollar meets a sticky end. Don’t tell me, that’s up there with 911,7/7,WMD in Iraq,Dodgy Dossier,and Dr Kelly and that Palestine was empty before the European Jews arrived.Just ran out of tin foil.

  144. ESLO and RD, and it’s not just the e-mail addresses, is it? It’s also that ESLO answered as if RD, RD called himself “we”, the shared interests in Hebden Bridge and Sylvia Plath, the shared claim of a “traditional left pedigree”, the shared reverence for Orwell, the damn near identical outlooks…

  145. “you’ll just have to live with the suspicion unless you change your credentials again, secretly.” Or pass your computer to another dissenter!

  146. Kempe 19 Jun, 2014 – 3:13 pm

    I asked you which of my claims you were disputing. None of the ones you quote are my claims. You cast vague blanket aspersions upon Gaddafi’s regime, avoiding specific instances which can be debated. You pepper your replies with insults (eg “the useful idiots”) and sarcasm (eg “Mass hypnosis by HAARP perhaps or maybe MOSSAD controlled zombies added flouride to the drinking water.”), preferring a slanging match to reasoned argument. I’ll wait to see if Resident Dissident can do any better.

    While I’m waiting, I am curious as to which two of the following you imply are plainly true when you say :

    ” free medicare, free education, free housing, interest-free banking, ”
    As the link I posted up earlier says half the above statements are plainly untrue ….

  147. I’m fully awake today John. Awake enough to notice that you left a big chunk of that Wiki article out of your post. Allow me to correct your omission:-

    “However in a later report from Amnesty International it was found that “al-Gaddafi forces committed serious violations of international humanitarian law (IHL), including war crimes, and gross human rights violations,which point to the commission of crimes against humanity. They deliberately killed and injured scores of unarmed protesters; subjected perceived opponents and critics to enforced disappearance and torture and other ill- treatment; and arbitrarily detained scores of civilians. They launched indiscriminate attacks and attacks targeting civilians in their efforts to regain control of Misratah and territory in the east. They launched artillery, mortar and rocket attacks against residential areas. They used inherently indiscriminate weapons such as anti-personnel land mines and cluster bombs,including in residential areas.” ”

    So carrying on with the arbitary arrests, torture and disappearances that marked the previous 40 years.

  148. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 4:05 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Re Resident Dissident:
    “(No reaction from Mr Scorgie, to whose questions your post was in fact replying)”

    It takes time to deconstruct a cleverly worded none-answer Habbabkuk”
    __________________

    Oh of course – it was a non-answer from Resident Dissident. Silly me for not having noticed that!

    Seriously though, Doug, you can take all the time you like but I don’t think you’ll be able to refute Resident Dissident’s points. Quibble, obfuscate, attempt to distract, yes – refute, definitely not. :)

    You’ve been definitively had, Doug.

  149. ” I am curious as to which two of the following you imply are plainly true when you say..”

    You could always go back and read the link… Just a suggestion.

  150. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 4:13 pm

    “And you should hear the racket from the garden shed everytime RD visits (which is most of the time) and the Prendergasts have put up that ugly 20ft high concrete wall but they found a way to get over and we’re at our wits’ end…”
    ____________________

    Well, never mind that the Prendergast’s wall isn’t working – what’s important is that the real separation wall is.

    It’s bad news for the Jew and Israel haters on this blog, but the separation wall certainly cuts the mustard when it comes to keeping Palestinian suicide bombers out of Israel.

    (Now sark your way round that.. :) )

  151. Just a quick ganders at a some simple measurements seem to indicate living in Gaddafi’s Libya was not that bad.

    A quick look at some figures that sprang to mind. Nothing scientific but better than a squeal of shit.

    Before looking at any data I chose to compare data for the UK, Saudi Arabia, Morocco and Angola (rich European, oil rich Middle East, north African neighbour, poor African).

    % Population Living Below Poverty Line (CIA Data)

    The latest figures available in 2010 have Libya listed at 7.4% of the population in poverty. This positions Libya one place below Switzerland (6.9%) and above all other African countries. And half the level of poverty in the UK.

    Libya 7.4%
    UK 14%
    Morocco 17%
    Angola 70%
    Saudi Arabia Not Available

    Infant Mortality Rate (UN Data)

    For the most recent available year of data, 2010, Libya appears to have the lowest rate In Africa at 15.04% (the next lowest were Tunisia 20.82% and Algeria 24.97%).

    UK 4.91%
    Libya 15.04%
    Saudi Arabia 18.51%
    Morocco 34.12%
    Angola 104.3

    Of the North African states Libya has seen the biggest drop in infant mortality since the UN records began in 1950 with a substantial improvement in the 1970s (the first decade of Gaddafi’s rule).

    Life Expectancy CIA Data

    In 2009 Libya was 10% above world avaerage.

    UK 79
    Saudi Arabia 76.3
    Libya 74.5
    Morocco 71.8
    Angola 38.2

  152. BBC News now
    Battle for key Iraqi oil refinery
    Iraqi government forces are battling Sunni militants for control of the country’s biggest oil refinery, as the US considers a request for air strikes.

    Sky News now
    Iraq Forces ‘Retake’ Oil Refinery From ISIS
    Troops regain the plant in Baiji from militants following fierce fighting, claim officials, as the US contemplates airstrikes.

    Who do we believe? One or the other? Neither?

  153. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 4:20 pm

    Mary

    “The Guardian leads with news that Ed Miliband will today set out Labour’s first plans for cuts to the welfare system, ending out-of-work benefits for roughly 100,000 18- to 21-year-olds and replacing them with a less costly means-tested payment dependent on being in training.’”
    ________________

    If you read what he said carefully, Mary, you’d have seen that a lot of what he means by “training” is actually to bring those kids up to some sort of speed with their basic skills – reading, writing and arithmetic. Basic skills which the marvelous state education system in the UK ( a system which you and your ilk are always defending…) somehow failed to teach them between the ages of 6 and 16.

    ************************

    Habbabkuk says Education! Education! Education!

  154. Bomb scare outside Sao Paolo stadium where Ingerland are playing.

    Delays for spectators entering.

    Betting:
    Group D: Uruguay vs England

    Venue: Arena Corinthians, Sao Paulo

    Kick-off: 8pm (3pm, Brazil time)

    TV coverage: ITV1, from 7pm

    Odds: Uruguay 13/5, Draw 5/2, England 11/10

    Referee: Carlos Velasco Carballo (Spain)

    Managers: Roy Hodgson (England)
    Oscar Tabarez (Uruguay

  155. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 4:25 pm

    Na’al Zevul

    “I’m sorry about Dad. It’s so embarrassing!

    Can’t hear him at all Sofia. I’ve got my e-arplugs (here – very reasonable – https://greasyfork.org/scripts/246-habbabreak ).”
    ___________________

    Sure, Ba’al, sure – we can hear you. But that’s easy to say, isn’t it – and no one can tell if you’re telling porkies or not…..

    Bit like when Habbabreak fist came along – everyone said they’d use it…..and then when I was absent for a few days on business, people started asking where I was….LOL

  156. I couldn’t quote everything Kempe. I left out:

    “The Great Manmade River was also built to allow free access to fresh water across large parts of the country.[1] In addition, illiteracy and homelessness had been “almost wiped out,”[2] and financial support was provided for university scholarships and employment programs,[5] while the nation as a whole remained debt-free.[6] As a result, Libya’s Human Development Index in 2010 was the highest in Africa and greater than that of Saudi Arabia.[1]”

    That is what the west does not like. A debt-free nation, a country that can pay its way, when all western countries are in debt up to their eyeballs, including the US. Like Ceausescu, Gaddafi had to go. It’s simple arithmetic. You can’t have a success story unless it is the US success story in the west. If you were awake you would have taken on:

    “Ukraine is a fitting partner for NATO. This short video shows how Slavyansk looked before and after they started liberating it. Similar in some ways to how Libya once looked before it was made free. So much better now ESLO (RD) [and Kempe]. Wouldn’t you agree?

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/06/16/slavyansk-before-and-after-kiev-nazi-revolution-video.html

  157. I don’t have an ilk. I only have one dog and one hen now.

    It’s obviously my turn now for the garbage round.

    Tell that to BT News from which I copied it. They were copying from the Times. Do you u n d e r s t a n d ?
    http://home.bt.com/news/uknews/what-the-papers-say-june-19-11400827453390

  158. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 4:33 pm

    Resident Dissident

    Some people still haven’t digested those splendid comments of yours :

    “RD; “No one managed to land a blow on you, of course ”

    It’s hardly magic when a greased piglet evades capture, or when a nail fails to keep gelatin fastened to the wall.”
    _____________

    But hey, should we listen to an ageing Californian weed-smoker?

  159. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 4:41 pm

    “Rehmat” asks

    “What Brit opera fans has to say about this?

    New York’s Metropolitan Opera has cancelled plans for a global simulcast to cinemas of John Adam’s ‘The Death of Klinghoffer’ amid objections from powerful Jewish-Israel lobby group Anti-Defamation League (ADL) which claims the opera glorify “Palestinian terrorism” and could stir hatred toward Jews and Israel.”
    ________________

    As an opera lover, I would say the following : the ADL has done mankind a considerable favour, as the “opera” in question – which I have seen – has about as much connection to real opera as Mr Goss has to reality.

    Hope that helps, Rehmat.

  160. doug scorgie

    19 Jun, 2014 - 4:48 pm

    Another regime change for Iraq:

    “US rules out military action until Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki stands down”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-crisis-exclusive-us-rules-out-military-action-until-pm-nouri-almaliki-stands-down-9547311.html

  161. In the mould of psychopathic BLiar but a bigger liar and just as deadly.

    Ralph Nader on Shillary. She is definitely electioneering. Will the Americans fall for it as they fell for Hopey Changey?

    June 19, 2014
    Oh, the Hard Choices

    Hillary’s Haughty Hyperbole!
    by RALPH NADER

    Last Sunday’s New York Times Book Review section featured a one page interview with Hillary Clinton, author of the just released Hard Choices which brought her a $14 million advance from Viacom’s Simon and Schuster.

    My first reaction was “Can anybody believe this?” I’m referring to the replies by Mrs. Clinton to questions about her book reading habits which turn out to be prodigious. How can such a super-busy person have the time to absorb such a staggering load of diverse books?
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/19/hillarys-haughty-hyperbole/

  162. doug scorgie

    19 Jun, 2014 - 4:52 pm

    “Chinese investment in North Sea oil (among other things) will be high on the diplomatic agenda when Chinese premier visits UK this week.”

    Daily Telegraph (Mon 16th June 2014)

    Then:

    “Chinese leader wants a “united United Kingdom”
    “In an apparent boost to the No campaign…Mr Li was asked about the referendum at a press conference with David Cameron.”
    “He said he wanted “a strong prosperous and united United Kingdom.”

    The Independent (Wed 18th June 2014)

    Surprise, surprise.

  163. doug scorgie

    19 Jun, 2014 - 4:54 pm

    “Iraq crisis: Isis extremists plan to attack us in the UK, warns David Cameron”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/iraq-militants-planning-uk-attack-warns-david-cameron-ahead-of-meeting-with-top-security-officials-9545188.html

    Watch out Scotland!

  164. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 4:57 pm

    Mr Goss

    “That is what the west does not like. A debt-free nation, a country that can pay its way, when all western countries are in debt up to their eyeballs, including the US. Like Ceausescu, Gaddafi had to go.”
    __________________

    This is at least the second time that this idea that Romania “paid its own way” under Ceausescu and was not in debt has surfaced on this blog (to be fair, it lay not have been you to say it the first time round).

    As the first time, that assertion is bollocks. It plays on the fact that Romania’s national debt was very low, but neglects to point out that
    Romania was heavily – very heavily – in debt to foreign creditors. This partly explains why the country was starved of consumer goods and even food under Ceausescu – these products had to be sold abroad to service the country’s debt.

    I don’t know whether you are genuinely ignorant of certain facts or whether you are deliberately trying to mislead readers, but whichever it is you should take a good hard look at yourself.

    **********************

    “Life has become better, lofe has become merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1934)

  165. Mr Gelb, the Met’s general manager fell prey to the bullying of the ADL who now see it as part of their mission to censor the arts.

    ‘Composer’s Criticism

    The decision was taken after discussions between Mr Gelb and the Anti-Defamation League, which represented Klinghoffer’s children.

    Mr Adams criticised the decision, telling Associated Press news agency the opera “in no form condones or promotes violence, terrorism or anti-Semitism”.’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27908841

    Alice Goodman the librettist -

    ‘The controversy over the opera effectively finished off the musical career of Goodman, born a Jew in Minnesota and now a Church of England rector living near Cambridge.

    On Wednesday Goodman called the decision wrong and contradictory. She was surprised the Met did not have a plan for addressing “the controversy that this opera always brings with it.

    She questioned the reasons for cancelling the simulcast. “The whole idea of pogroms emerging from the simulcast of a modern opera is more than faintly absurd,” she said. “I think it is very unfortunate. It seems to me what we have here is a reaction. It is a wrong and a contradictory reaction.

    “There is nothing antisemitic in Klinghoffer apart from one aria, which is sung by an antisemitic character and is clearly flagged as such.”‘

    The British production -

    ‘The ENO had been braced for protests when it staged Klinghoffer but everything passed off peaceably with a solitary protester and nothing like the furore that happened in New York.

    John Berry, ENO’s artistic director, said in a statement: “Both the Met and ENO have staged all of John Adams’ major operatic work and, as co-producers of this staging of The Death of Klinghoffer, we completely believe in this piece and the work of John Adams.

    “I personally believe that it is not antisemitic and I hope that audiences seeing the work in New York later in the year will come to understand this for themselves and be moved by this exceptional opera. The work was warmly received in London and deemed a great success.”‘
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/18/death-of-klinghoffer-opera-cinema-cancelled-met-eno-anti-semitism

    Strange that these professionals are all at odds with The Man In The Shed, our resident opera critic.

  166. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 5:05 pm

    Mary

    “Tell that to BT News from which I copied it. They were copying from the Times. Do you u n d e r s t a n d ?”
    _____________________

    So you were copying from someone who was copying from yet someone else.

    My advice, Mary, would be : do less simple copying; check what you read carefully; think about it a little; include some personal input; press send button.

    But anyway, your comment is a distraction from the main point, which was : the state education system, which you and your ilk spend so much time defending here, is obviously failing tens if not hundreds of thousand of kids beacuse they leave school after 10 years without being able to read, write and add up properly.

    If you really cared about people – specifically children – you’d be exercised about that. Are you?

    ****************************

    Habbabkuk says yes to quality education and no to quality hypocrisy

  167. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 5:09 pm

    Mary

    Leaving aside polemics for a moment : why don’t you buy another hen or two (or chicks)?

  168. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 5:30 pm

    Phil

    “Here are interviews with people who experienced direct democracy on a vast scale in 1936 Spain.”
    ____________________

    Not so sure about the “vast scale” but let that pass; why did that experiment fail, in your opinion, Phil?

  169. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 Jun, 2014 - 5:44 pm

    “And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force.”
    _______________________

    I want to come back to this egregious comment from Mary, because I don’t find the ‘explanation’ she gave for it very convincing.

    Supposing someone had posted the following comment :

    “And who headed up the evil gang which groomed and abused young girls? Why, one Taksim Mahmood of course, now a British citizen but originally from the Indian sub-continent.”

    How would you have reacted to that, Mary?

    I really think you should man up and apologise.

  170. I prefer not to waste bandwidth replying to the inanities and that it not a cop out. It is just too tedious and boring. I am not in the mood right now nor am I able to take on any more ties for various reasons at the moment but thanks for the suggestion.

  171. Our octogenarian bully boy is continuing to bully his way through the blog.
    What a sad existence for someone who had such a good education.
    His assertion that he knows Mary and has met her, his obsessive cyber stalking of her, all points to someone who has a mental disfixation with reality.

    Habby probably lost his job in some school or university because of his bullying, his love for the FoI and control freakery, so be kind to the sad sod and ignore his inconsequential distortions and chaotic diversions.

  172. “% Population Living Below Poverty Line..”

    As the link says countries decide for themselves where to draw the Poverty Line so comparisons between nations don’t necessarily mean very much. After decades of military dictaorships Egypt has a life expectancy (2009) of 72.73 years and infant mortality 17.9 which aren’t that far away from the figures for Libya.

    In 2005 Freedom House rated Political Rights in Libya as “7″ where 1 is the most free and 7 the least. Civil Liberties also rated “7″.

    Still waiting for that link.

  173. Kempe

    I wasn’t trying to be cute with those figures. I saw the CIA as source and thought even Kempe cannot argue with those. I completely missed the bit about countries assessing themselves. So yes those % of poverty figures are worthless.

    Also worthless is anything, including political indexes, from the US state department funded Freedom House.

  174. Clark

    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

    George Orwell

    “Politics and English language”

  175. Resident Dissident

    19 Jun, 2014 - 10:15 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    After your rather rude repeated demands of me to reply to you – which I did as soon as I was able it is rather disappointing that the homework I set you last night remains undone – please hurry along and complete straightaway. It’s not the first time I have noted your tendency to avoid difficult challenges and resort to bluster rather than addressing the issues in hand.

    Just so you don’t resort to claims that the set work was consumed by your canine friends let me repeat the original challenge:

    “Well again here I agree – but before you go expounding the superiority of the BRICs perhaps you could go and do a little research and compare tax rates and public spending levels in Western European democracies on all those good things with say that in Putin’s Russia – I think once you completed your survey you may have a rather different view as to what has been achieved by our democracies despite the opposition from wealthy and individuals and corporations and their fair and foul means. You see if you can convince people of the strength of your arguments (difficult in your case admittedly), show some basic competence and on going respect for democratic means – then those who wish to oppose will find it rather more difficult.”

  176. Resident Dissident

    19 Jun, 2014 - 10:28 pm

    Anode

    It is a bit difficult to take seriously your claims for Direct Democracy when it is based on a Wikipedia article which suggests the practice is supported by a rather disparate group of small and rather obscure groups – the Pirate Party just for starters and then we get various nutters suggesting that Ghadaffi’s Libya is the preferred model for Direct democracy. I’m all for looking at new means to get more people involved in the political process – but if you think all political decisions can somehow be settled by open outcry and that the representative model should be junked entirely when the mechanisms for getting everyone (which of course is probably not what you want!) involved on an equal and fair basis as far from established. I’m afraid I have far too much experience of how quite a few on the far left used to play around with meetings and schedules in order to manipulate the political process to their advantage (remember all those late agenda items that suddenly appeared at sparsely attended meeting on a cold February night, the lost nominations and similar) to have much hope that the interest in new forms of democracy is anything like as genuine as you think. Too much of the rest of the thinking is similar to think that these leopards have really changed their spots.

  177. Thanks BrianFujisan and Sofia, for your warm welcome.

    However as you have rightly pointed out the shills’ torrents of unconscious drivel flooding thread after thread is yet more validation of my earlier forwarded point; the degree of power extends to the point of denying the freedom of expression to even point to the source of power and the roots of the supremacists’ hegemony holding sway.

    The almost comical reaction of the assigned shills to bombard the thread with irrelevancies to bury any notion contrary to the prescribed notions, and the tolerance extended to the shills are only anticipated and expected outcomes, so no surprise there.

    The fact that eighty percent of the Tory party’s serving parliamentary cadre are friends of zionistan, with the same percentages applying to other incumbent party’s and their serving cadres. This all making a mockery of the so called our “Democracy Brand” that is getting shoved down the throats of us all as the best alternative since the invention of the sliced bread.

    Fact that majority of the parliamentary selected “representatives” are far too concerned with the welfare of those in Tel aviv than in Glasgow are by the by matters with little relevance or merit!

    This day began with the corporate media drumming the news from the benighted lands of Iraq that is suffering the “birth pangs” a decade after the introduction of Western Democracy Brand with further caveats of; West will bomb some more if only the Iraqian el presidente decides to step down!!!

    However little attention has been paid to the poverty levels that have gone unnoticed in UK with thirty percent of the inhabitants being officially poor despite working all hours any jobs they can find.

    The number of households that fall below the minimum standard of living has risen from 14% to 33% over the last 30 years – despite the size of the economy doubling in the same period.

    Almost 18 million people cannot afford adequate housing conditions.

    12 million people are too poor to engage in common social activities.

    One in three people cannot afford to heat their homes adequately in the winter.

    Four million children and adults aren’t properly fed by today’s standards.

    ..
    .
    .
    • About 5.5 million adults go without essential clothing.

    • Around 2.5 million children live in homes that are damp.

    • Around 1.5 million children live in households that cannot afford to heat their home.

    • One in four adults have incomes below what they consider is needed to avoid poverty.

    • One in every six (17%) adults in paid work are poor.

    • More than one in five adults have had to borrow in the last year to pay for day to day needs.

    Fact that social workers have become poverty adjudicators to officially declare those “deserving poor” to be “poor” and introduce these to secret food banks so the aforementioned poor can get food stuff rations from the said secret food banks, is of no concern to anyone. After all taxing the poor at source and calling it tightening our belts so that the rich can get tax breaks and make a song and a dance about “austerity” in the way of paving the way for good times ahead!!!!

    While the corporate media stenographers are singing the praises of the employment under zero hour contract schemes; “although it may not be regular work but it helps reduce the unemployment figures” This was the assessment delivered by a bimbo with a mic on Sky.

    We have a lot to thank our benefactors for, in fact we must all be sent to re-education camps if we don’t enjoy the insults of the supremacist narcissists, these obviously are telling of nasty traits of those whom have fallen victim to “antisemi….” and darn sure are Muslims and domestic extremists.

    So I am so glad to have been told to “Fuck off” and the mods have left it there in case I missed it, in a tradition that goes a long way back, all in the best possible taste of course.

  178. Resident Dissident

    19 Jun, 2014 - 10:40 pm

    Sofia

    So glad that you brought up the Ukraine – I’m afraid that your source on matters Ukrainian who you quote regulary has rather let the cat out of the bag hasn’t he.

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/a-scorecard-for-us-lukewarm-war-on.html

    “At this point the Russian policy becomes, I think, clear: to covertly support the resistance movement of Novorossia without yielding any proof of intervention which could be used by the AngloZionists to demonize Russia (they already do that, but with very little credibility in the public opinion).”

    Lets leave aside what on earth the whole thing has to do with Zionism or illegal annexation of part of a foreign country – but is Vineyard Saker acknowledges that Russia is covertly supporting “the resistance movement” in Eastern Ukraine but employing the tactic of not “yielding any proof of intervention” i.e. lying about it and covering it up it all becomes pretty clear from what angle you and Mr Goss are coming from – doen’t it?

  179. RD; your 10:15 seems autobiographical. Would you expand on the projection?

  180. Or maybe your alter-ego (eslo) should be called upon.

    Fielder’s choice.

  181. Resident Dissident

    19 Jun, 2014 - 10:51 pm

    “the degree of power extends to the point of denying the freedom of expression to even point to the source of power and the roots of the supremacists’ hegemony holding sway.”

    Yet strangely enough we seem to fail time after time in this regard in our western democracies.

    Just a hint – you might get rather more people to concentrate on the real problems of poverty if you drop the references to Zionism being the cause. Might I also suggest that the reason you are sworn at is because you are not averse to casting the first stone yourself.

  182. Resident Dissident

    19 Jun, 2014 - 10:54 pm

    Ben

    When I need lectures on answering questions from you I shall ask. And what exactly do you think you are projecting.

  183. Resident Dissident

    19 Jun, 2014 - 11:02 pm

    I must say that I always wondered where the WRP had disappeared to – now given all the love expressed here for Ghadaffi I now have a pretty good idea.

  184. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    19 Jun, 2014 - 11:39 pm

    Lectures are pointless when an audience of one sees fit to repeat, ad infinitum, falsehoods designed to avoid the salient questions arising from your drive-bys and pot-shots, RD.

    You have done a great job of ham-stringing your own credibility without any help from us, and why is it you seem to preach from your own lectern, seemingly located on Mt Olympus/

  185. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    20 Jun, 2014 - 12:07 am

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/republican-congressman-has-interesting-response-to-911-truth

    “Asked if the government was withholding information about 9/11 because it doesn’t fit with the official narrative, Republican Rep. Pete Sessions replied with a question about who shot President John F. Kennedy.
    “Do you think that Oswald was the only person to shoot Jack Kennedy, our president?” Sessions said in response to a student in a Berkner High School AP government class in December 2013.
    A spokesperson for the Rep. Sessions’ office clarified his comments to BuzzFeed:

    Congressman Sessions was responding to a question that, remarkably and despite all evidence to the contrary, still pops up from time to time about what actually happened on 9/11. Unfortunately, innocent people never could have imagined such a horrific attack prior to its occurrence and because of that some people still might not believe what actually happened. The Congressman’s response to that disbelief is clear. We know precisely what happened on September 11, 2001. Terrorists from al-Qaeda hijacked four planes, one of which was flown into the Pentagon here in Washington and another which was taken down by American heroes in Pennsylvania so that the terrorists could not kill more innocent people wherever the terrorists had intended to fly that plane.”

    Don’cha love revisionism, RD?

  186. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    20 Jun, 2014 - 12:13 am

    Heh. CIA….this is comparable to the legendary ‘exploding cigar’ for Castro. I think it’s time for them to create a genuine ‘think’tank that doesn’t tank on reality and common sense.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-hatched-plan-to-make-demon-toy-to-counter-bin-laden-influence/2014/06/19/cb3d571c-f0d0-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html

    “Beginning in about 2005, the CIA began secretly developing a custom-made Osama bin Laden action figure, according to people familiar with the project. The faces of the figures were painted with a heat-dissolving material, designed to peel off and reveal a red-faced bin Laden who looked like a demon, with piercing green eyes and black facial markings.”

    It’s a new level of demonization that will win hearts and minds. The ‘Peter Principle’ shark has been jumped.

  187. It says policy “Russian policy ‘becomes’, I think, clear”, not that there is any such policy in operation, or has ever been, as far as anyone can say, most probably because it isn’t true, but that altruistically Russia has no alternative. Russia being in a position to, being next-door, should have intervened decisively, to protect those citizens subjected to the still illegal neo-nazi thug and foreign mercenary backed Ukranian regime’s mass-murdering rampages, as necessary, and to restore power, water essential services and uphold basic human rights where they have been destroyed. Why does it pain you that Russia has become a force for good in the world we now inhabit?

    You cannot slate everything this blogger Slaker has said over the past several months as unreliable, biased etc. and then today find something which can be twisted to your perverse world view and suddenly decide there’s a bit I can make some tenuous meaningless point with – this blogger just this once is a fountain of sparkling truth – just on this tiny point wilfully misunderstood or misinterpreted by you, without invalidating any and every previous statement you’ve made on this subject. Logic is not your strength.

    Representative democracy such as has existed, here in the UK has been a failure, except in serving the ends of an elite, an elite consisting largely of the previous aristocracy, organised crime and aspirant psychopaths of no fixed morality. Direct democracy, within a well devised constitution, perhaps something like the Swiss model: frequent referenda to decide contentious matters, or held at public request, local democracy with a skeleton central state. Technolgies now maturing can facilitate the greatest inclusivity, online voting from home computers, and at town and village halls, postal polling, mobile-library-like democracy on wheels outreach, mass-produced wirelessly linked ‘Participation Pods’ in the street and dedicated compact devices, one for every member of the electorate, to switch on or not and take part in making binary or multiple option choices and decisions, and a civil service to implement the public’s an informed electorate, possible only with community-owned free, fearless media. The only argument against, tiresomely made by its detractors is: what if the people make unpleasant choices, e.g. return of capital punishment, this is easily negated in that the constitution forbids that the state can take away human life.

    You’re not much of a dissident, only repulsively decadent, if you think everything is just fine as it is, deny to the point of evident mental distress that you are on the side all that is clearly monstrous, bad and wrong; you must have lived a charmed pampered life, but cannot comprehend that the advantages you had, through no effort on your part, were not provided to most of the world’s or even most of this country’s people. You’ve lived in a bubble of privilege, a carefree cocoon where the party must never end, your reality is a false one, a closed world of inculcated superiority and entitlement, those within seething with contempt and hatred for their fellow man, who you see as existing for you to exploit or to pronounce surplus to your requirements and initial their death warrants and hasten their elimination.

    This blog is for alternative voices, we do not want to hear the mainstream media narratives you parrot, we can see the disconnect there between what is reported and significant contradictory facts and truths, and can confidently categorise it: not propaganda, it’s not a viewpoint or an interpretation, it is out and out lies and such sources, including yourself, are deliberate complicit incurable serial liars.

  188. John.

    What a brilliant clip!

    I’ve been waiting all day to ope the clip of western vassal PMs giving the same delusional speech.

    I wasn’t disappointed.

    I notice that none of the conformity enforcers are willing to challenge the obvious conclusions.

    Ba’al.

    “…I remember what it used to be like.”

    Good to hear you find some relief with, Habbabreak.*

    But don’t let over-use cause you to become complacent. There is always the risk that, like an old varuka, it will multiply. So it’s worth checking on now and then.

    Many thanks to Afriend.

    RD /ELSO (Mini-Habba).

    Re Ukraine.

    Last time round banker sponsored fascism left 26 million Russians dead and became quite unpopular with Russians. So the Saker’s guess is worth considering.

    How would you suggest the Russian state should react to the US / EU sponsored slaughter being unleashed on the people of Eastern Ukraine by both overt and covert means in a clear attempt to engineer a pretext for “Shock and Awe” against Russia?

    Fedup. 10 38pm

    WARNING!

    You have strayed from the mandated narratives.

    The evidence you present has not been authorised for public consumption.

    Expect an escalation.

    The first hasbarito to get under your skin will get bonuses.

    See below.

    * HABBABREAK® is a completely natural product, which combines the known benefits of smart open source coding with proprietary oxygen enrichment formulas for a potent formulation focused on the treatment of a myriad of blog disorders, such as jock itch/dhobie itch, cold sores, troll-worm, acne and even chronic habbacosis. Its antifungal, antibacterial and antiseptic properties make it the perfect all-in-one treatment!

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  189. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    20 Jun, 2014 - 12:51 am

    “Representative democracy such as has existed, here in the UK has been a failure, except in serving the ends of an elite”

    It’s been perverted by the notion that the majority is somehow, Tyranny. That was the concern of the founders of the Constitution.

    They created a system which they thought would prevent the obvious dichotomy of two or more classes in conflict, with controls that might lead to a more representative form of local and regional governance. They assumed the masses would be too disinterested in the big picture, in favor of their local concerns. It was intended to be flexible enough to evolve in accordance with socio/political change. I don’t know if they were prescient enough to foresee the Industrial Revolution with all the warts, but I know they had good intent. What exists now is a perversion of all the best ideas crafted by those wizened originators. They weren’t omniscient but they had a good sense of human nature, and that’s the crux. Direct democracy would take a preeminent centralized government to a more local, decentralized governance and perhaps the frustration voters experience in the current system would be assuaged and encourage more participation for local elections, which is the weakness we currently enjoy.

  190. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    20 Jun, 2014 - 12:54 am

    “But don’t let over-use cause you to become complacent. There is always the risk that, like an old varuka, it will multiply. So it’s worth checking on now and then.”

    That’s my concern. Inmates running the Asylum.

  191. Resident Dissident
    “It is a bit difficult to take seriously your claims for Direct Democracy …”

    As a critic of Western democracy, I have disproved your claim that “… those who attack western democracy are always rather less vocal on the alternatives that they would like to see.” You didn’t specify that those critics had to satisfy your unrealistic criteria for credibility. However, since I’ve so easily demonstrated your inability to predict the responses of those you so regularly accuse of being predictable, I might as well elaborate a little.

    I’m not claiming that direct democracy is a perfect form of government – just that it is far better than our Western representative democracy. Our democracy is designed as a means to make people believe that they are in control whilst in actual fact they are being controlled. The real controllers use a compliant media to hide the fact that they are restricting the electoral choices. Here are two reasons for believing this to be true:

    (1) There was no revolution in Britain. We the people were ‘given’ democracy by our ruling class. Really? A rich and powerful elite chose to willingly hand over power to the ordinary people? And those people then choose to make that elite richer and themselves poorer?

    (2) We, the Western democracies, spend billions of pounds militarily imposing our form of government on countries whose oil we covet. What? We want their oil yet we go to enormous trouble and expense to give their citizens the power to refuse to let us have it? And then the first thing they do with their new democratic power is give it to us anyway, against their own interests?

    The above might fit your aforementioned unrealistic criteria for credibility, but not mine, or any other reasonable person.

    I would suggest everybody on this blog elects me as Emperor of the World and assigns me a machine-gun and a wall for transitionary purposes. Once I’d ticked all the names on my list, I would then get on with implementing a form of direct democracy where …..

    * the leadership is selected by some sort of lottery process.
    * the selected leaders would be well paid and pensioned to compensate them for the fact that they would never be allowed to accept money or favours from any business interests for the rest of their lives.
    * the major business of government would be divided into 6/7 departments, say education, health/science, foreign policy/security, domestic affairs/future planning and whatever else I’ve forgotten.
    * each year, for eleven months the media would focus on one of these departments, raising awareness of the issues, until at the end of the year, the public could make an informed choice on the relevant issues.
    * everyone would have a month off politics, then begin to focus on the following year’s subject, completing a complete programme of government every 6/7 years.

    Please tick one of the boxes below:

    □ A Node for Emperor of the World

  192. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    20 Jun, 2014 - 12:59 am

    Please tick one of the boxes below:

    □ A Node for Emperor of the World

    * Ben for Benevolent Dictator.

    I don’t expect, or want to be elected.

  193. @B-LPLET, thanx for the priceless crawling by Sessions. I wonder how CIA sent him the message: Boiled his doggy? Picked up his grandkids at school and took them out for ice cream? Stuffed his hard disk with kiddy porn? Disappeared him for a week and raped him with chemical light sticks?

  194. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    20 Jun, 2014 - 1:22 am

    Spike; The Honey Trap is certainly SOP, but a more sinister silhouette is his advisors/Planespotters/Pollsters gang-raped him in effigy, just to make a point and some laughs.

  195. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    20 Jun, 2014 - 2:11 am

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