Doune The Rabbit Hole

by craig on July 4, 2014 12:56 pm in Uncategorized

I shall again be running the bar – the Whistleblower’s Arms - at the Doune the Rabbit Hole Festival from 22 to 24 August at Cardross, Port of Menteith.

I find this festival, which is very much a lifestyle event and features mostly new talent, an extremely life-affirming experience. Last year it brought me back from a very dark place. Some of this blogs most active commenters and helpers have been among the volunteers over the last couple of years, keeping the event going. Personally for me the festival is necessarily centred around Williams Bros and Thistly Cross, but there is a tremendous variety of music:

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The event is very family friendly, and also an amazing place to meet new friends. It does not have any specific political orientation, but I might fairly say that the vibe is very much in line with the kind of unconstrained intellectual space promoted on this blog. On top of which Cardross is an extraordinarily beautiful place. The variety of local food on site, ranging from vegan to game, is one of the things I really enjoyed. It is a not for profit event and nobody gets a salary.

Tickets are not expensive by festival standards, and certainly cheaper than a weekend break in a hotel. But there is also the alternative of working your passage – the festival still needs plenty of volunteers.

I am genuinely looking forward to it enormously. Hope to see you there.

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  1. Doune the Rabbit Hole is a family-friendly festival with plenty of space to camp, separate areas for tents and camper-vans.

    Fans of Iain Banks may be interested that the festival site is just half a mile down the Forth river from Easter Offerance, the setting of the religious community in his 1996 novel Whit.

  2. ------------·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node

    4 Jul, 2014 - 1:38 pm

    Don’t forget your dancing boots, you’ll need them for the Peatbog Fairies.

    In an unrelated development, I have it on good authority that there have been some blue pills going around the Scottish dance scene with the word “yes” stamped on them  :)

  3. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    4 Jul, 2014 - 1:54 pm

    The event is very family friendly

    I’m not. That’s Manx TT weekend….phew.

  4. ------------·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node

    4 Jul, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    Ba’al (re something you said elsewhere)
    You must’ve missed Afrend politely requesting that people avoid possible confusion by refraining from associating trademark and copyright symbols with Habbabreak. He’s a strong supporter of open source and free distribution.
    Also, you should be careful not to reveal a simple method of circumventing Habbabreak.

  5. Craig,

    Your festival sounds great. My wife and I have been to well over 100 Festivals in 32 years. I assume you are flying and staying in a hotel. I can’t criticize you for that because we have already done the same this year to a festival in Spain. But in my view camping is essential to really appreciate what a festival is all about. You don’t have to live like a refugee, but if you do for a few days, you really discover how wonderful the human race can be. People are just naturally friendly and help each other and freely share what they have got. There can be no real security at a festival. You cannot lock up a tent. Yet in over 100 festivals, we have only been robbed once…and that was in the middle of the night…when we were in the tent, fast asleep, with two very young children…Even then…the thief took only the cash in my wallet…left the wallet and all the credit cards…and did the same to almost every tent around us…How did he do it? Well he said to the only guy who woke up…sorry mate wrong tent…and went on to the next. Even so one robbery in over 100 events with no security is a pretty good record. Your only security is to try and make friends with all your neighbours as soon as you arrive..offer to help to put up their tent…and offer them a beer. The very worst weather…if the mud really is that bad…brings out the best in people…rather than the worse. The problem with Festivals now, is that many have grown too big, and been taken over by large corporate companies…attempting to maximise profit..and employing if you are unlucky…some rather unpleasant people. Small festivals of just a few thousand are far more fun…and there are absolutely loads of them…Some even now, are virtually or totally free. For example…a pub or even a small town will put on a festival. You simply pay for the camping (if you camp). The beer, food and other trade pays for the event.

    Get on your dancing shoes.

    Tony

  6. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    4 Jul, 2014 - 2:51 pm

    A.Node,
    I thought it would be clearly understood that the ™ was facetious. However, I bow to Afrend’s wishes. And yours.

    As to the rest, (a) it’s quite obvious to anyone with Party A blocked when “Party A..//£$%” appears, what’s going on. And (b) you have now publicised it further.

    I would imagine Afrend might be considering a simple alteration to the script. ” *Party A* ” would perhaps be part of it.

  7. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    4 Jul, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    Or *Ba’al Zevul*. Though I may stick with (Chimp Assassin), rendering the precaution unnecessary.

  8. ------------·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node

    4 Jul, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    Ba’al
    (a) but maybe not obvious to party A
    (b) that’s why I switched threads

  9. Tony,

    No, I shall stay in a tent. I did last year too – and to my real surprise I enjoyed the experience. It’s indeed a small festival. The finances are a real struggle.

    Ba’al The Isle of Man TT always saddens me as my good friend Roy Anderson died there. Number 160 on this list.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Snaefell_Mountain_Course_fatal_accidents

    I don’t think the 750cc Yamaha sounds right. He had a 1000cc Honda in my recollection.

  10. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    4 Jul, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    If I needed any further discouragement from racing – and I’ve never even wanted to -, that would be it, Craig. But it has to be said that racers go into it with a full consciousness of the risk, and not a few with bits of titanium holding them together already. It’s a high-risk sport…and that attracts the riders as well as the public. Sorry to know you lost a friend there.

  11. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    4 Jul, 2014 - 3:34 pm

    Party A never reads my posts anyway, A.Node. It said so.

  12. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    4 Jul, 2014 - 4:07 pm

    Found a photo of Roy Anderson – on a Honda:

    http://thumbsnap.com/s/2rdrhOpo.jpg

    Sans helmet – have no further details on the pic.

  13. O/T Hurrah for the bees.

    From 38 Degrees

    Wonderful news, we’ve protected our bees! Yesterday Syngenta withdrew their controversial application to allow their banned bee-killer pesticides back on UK fields. [1]

    Owen Paterson, the environment minister, sided with Syngenta. But the decision was deemed so toxic that it was brought all the way up to the Prime Minister and his cabinet to discuss.

    The day before the big meeting, the huge people-powered petition signed by over 219,000 of us was delivered to the PM’s desk. [2] And on the morning of the meeting, hundreds of us swarmed on Downing St to confront the ministers as they arrived. [3]

    (1) http://www.farmersguardian.com/home/arable/syngenta-withdraws-neonicotinoid-emergency-use-application/65807.article

    ~~~
    Also beautiful today are the honey bees on the lavender here in the sun. Have not seen any for ages.

    I also watched a masonry bee going in and out of a hole on the front wall of the house. It was a hole I drilled in the wrong place when I was putting up a handle grip on the wall by some steps! I am a real botcher at drilling holes but glad that one came in useful.

    I have also had cutter bees in the past. They cut pieces off rose leaves and insert them into a hole to make a nest for their eggs. In my case it was the end of the hose leading from a pump in a half water barrel which circulates water via a small fountain. I have some goldfish and there is also a miniature water lily there which is just flowering. Chicken wire over to deter the herons which fly overhead. They have been before and took all the fish.

    This morning I walked up on the downs along one of the old drove roads. There were thousands of butterflies fluttering in the long grasses. Marble whites, commas, skippers and others I cannot name. However did they survive the winter floods in their pupal state?

  14. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jul, 2014 - 4:20 pm

    “However did they survive the winter floods in their pupal state?”

    ‘Life’ finds a way, Mary. :) Great news !

  15. Happy holiday Ben. Is American Independence Day celebrated very much these days?

    We have Hillary Clinton over here flogging her book ‘Hard Choices’! The media especially the BBC are falling over themselves with propaganda for her as the next president.

  16. ------------·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node

    4 Jul, 2014 - 5:49 pm

    Half time and 1 – 0 to Germany, but the French WILL score in the 2nd half. Germany will need to score again to win.

  17. Thanks Ba’al. Really did bring a tear. He was my dad’s right hand man, and his mum knitted the woolly hat that got me through the Dundee winters! Can’t imagine him on anything except Honda.

    A Node – no chance. 2 – 0.

  18. A Node – no chance. 2 – 0.

    Thank god you’re not a betting man!

  19. ------------·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node

    4 Jul, 2014 - 7:03 pm

    Hmmm, Craig, I overestimated your blog. I was assuming that the French team would be checking this thread in the dressing room at half time and my pep talk would make the difference.

    Ah well, I KNOW that the Brazilians will be reading this …… 2 -1 to Brazil.

  20. Clark did Jamie call you? If not can you call him?

  21. @Tony_Opmoc

    You’re right about small festivals. First time I went to Glastonbury I think there about 10,000 people there at most. Security consisted of five young CND members sat around a table in a farm gateway. No cops on site, and no need for them. And no trouble- other than Roy Harper being dragged offstage by Ginger Baker’s roadies, to which one of Roy’s fans retaliated by slinging a brick at Ginger Baker (he carried on playing though). One hippie had stood up and cried, “Ginger Baker represents war!” I think GB was said to have signed a deal with an American company who also made weapons. And now 35 years later they have had torture apologists Metallica headlining on the Pyramid Stage! In those days you didn’t even need a tent- you were allowed to sleep in the big marquees and they also put up some big communal teepees for anyone to sleep in.

  22. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jul, 2014 - 9:10 pm

    I wish I could attend, even as a vendor. It’s much more reasonable in cost than Burning Man, and family friendly as well, not that I would drag ‘chirren into it.

  23. ------------·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node

    4 Jul, 2014 - 9:56 pm

    Half time, 1 – 0 to Brazil.
    Good game. Both sides going for it. Neymar and Rodriguez are giving it everything, good to see the star players grafting instead of prima donna-ing. Surely more goals to come. I’d like to see James Rodriguez get an equaliser, then I’ll support whichever team deserves it most. I couldn’t grudge Neymar a goal either, mind you.

  24. Craig, yes, Jamie called and we had a nice chat.

  25. 2-1 was a good shout. Well done Node.

  26. ------------·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node

    4 Jul, 2014 - 11:10 pm

    Cheers, Anon.
    I was hoping for a late Columbia goal to take it into extra time – didn’t want it to end.
    Did you see the size of the grass-hopper on James’ shoulder when he scored that penalty?

  27. You learn a lot on this blog- eg that there is such a drink as Scottish Cider !

    Pete- your recollection of Ginger Baker at Glasto 40 years ago confirms the aptness of the biopic made recently-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5seWMYG9kk&feature=kp

  28. “Did you see the size of the grass-hopper on James’ shoulder when he scored that penalty?”

    https://twitter.com/2014_WorIdCup/status/485184393498357760/photo/1

    I’d have been traumatised for about a month :)

  29. ------------·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node

    5 Jul, 2014 - 12:01 am

    Pete

    I used to do Stonehenge free festival instead of Glastonbury. Only missed 2 or 3. Us ‘Stoners’ kinda looked down on the Glastonbury bunch as weekend hippies. Weekenders maybe, but I guess I have to concede now that you outlasted us! Hawkwind often played, in fact it probably wouldn’t have kept happening without Nik Turner. We always reckoned Glastonbury stole the pyramid stage idea from Stonehenge.

    Stonehenge was like the gathering of the clans every year, a great coming together and a starting point for the summer’s Peace Convoy. Anything up to 120 vehicles would straggle back and fore across southern England, a week here, a couple of weeks there, dig your own shitpit and erect your own stage free festivals, drug fuelled, and if I’m honest, mostly drug-funded. Eventually, come September, a few dozen stragglers would make their way over to Wales to end the summer at the Mushroom festival, originally near Aberystwyth but hounded through different locations year after year, until finally settling in Hay Bluff above Hay-on-Wye. I wouldn’t be surprised if there aren’t still a few never left!

  30. A Node, I was at the last, er, three(?) Stonehenge festivals. I briefly glimpsed the Battle of the Beanfield, before riding off to avoid the police. Got arrested at a “routine stop” the next day, held overnight, bailed, and ended up at Bratton Camp(?), above a white horse cut into the hillside chalk. Hawkwind turned up and played, of course.

    Maggie had to stop it. It was proving that anarchy could work. You could get anything on-site; get your clutch changed, get your TV fixed…

  31. No, arrested later that day, I think.

    The police had some Portacabins near the roadblock where they “processed” us before bussing us to Salisbury. We had to queue to go through a door. When I went through, there was a copper with his back to me on my left. A big copper on my right put his hands on my right shoulder and shoved me hard into the copper on my left, who whirled ’round looking daggers at me. “Sorry, that officer pushed me” I said. He turned his back to me and the other ushered me on. Looking behind me, I saw them repeat the performance on the next one in the queue.

  32. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸A.Node

    5 Jul, 2014 - 1:40 am

    Clark,

    I missed the Battle of the Beanfield. Not sure if I was unlucky or lucky to do so.

    After Stonehenge the previous year, I didn’t go with the Convoy, I went to Kent to make some money cherry-picking. Convoy had gone up to a festival in York-shire called Nostell Priory, then they were moving to a peace camp at RAF Molesworth. I’d lost my trusty old bicycle and was getting about in a Morris Traveller with a bicycle inner tube tied to the handbrake which stopped it from jumping out of top gear. After the cherries, I drove straight to Rainbow Fields at Molesworth where, with the advice of a guy who knew what he was doing, and a scrapyard a few miles away, I managed to put in a ‘new’ gear box – just 4 bolts, as I remember, and my mechanic guru climbed into the bonnet of the car (which was balanced on 4 stacks of breeze blocks) and jumped on something till the gearbox popped into place. Anyway, by this time Convoy was due to have arrived from up north, but instead, just a few stragglers limped in. Turned out that there were thousands of police around Wakefield for the miners strike (yes, Maggie again) and they took the opportunity to even some old scores and trash Convoy, well and truly and brutally, everybody lost the lot, cars, buses, benders, many jailed. Until then, Convoy had been too big to touch, police cars used to escort it from county to county, but maybe Nostell Priory made them realise that all it needed was enough cops.

    After a few weeks more in Rainbow Fields, I took a carload of people to a protest at Barrow-in-Furness in the Lake district. Can’t remember what it was all about, but when it was over, since I was near the border, I decided to check out Scotland again since I hadn’t been home in a decade. Next Spring, I was preparing to head south in time for Stonehenge when someone offered me a great job travelling about the country checking electricity poles. I took it, and in my first week, I opened a newspaper to read about the Battle of the Beanfield. The free festival scene never really recovered, Criminal Justice act (yes, Maggie again) and all that although a few years later I did manage to track down a few old faces still keeping it going.

    Lost touch with everybody now, but the spirit’s still alive. We nurse the flame up here. Now we call it a party instead of a festival, and DJs and decks are easier to get together than bands and stages, but it’s still a few hundred people in a field in buses and vans with music and lights … and it’s still free …. and we still dig our own shitpits.

  33. Bot much has changed it would seem Clark in the attitudes within Wiltshire police.

    eg
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309136/Lifted-like-rag-doll-hurled-cell-Shocking-video-police-brutality–5ft-2in-tall-59-year-woman.html

    There have been other similar examples.

  34. I was sure Peacewisher I had put up that piece about the Algerian team donating their fees to Gaza but perhaps I didn’t!

    A fine gesture anyway and hope the money is put to good use.

    The author of the Stop War piece, Matt Carr has severed his connections with Huffington Post because of their support for Israel and censorship . A man with principles.
    http://infernalmachine.co.uk/leaving-the-huffington-post/
    Well reasoned and rational.

    There is a protest in Kensington today.
    London: Emergency protest at Israeli Embassy demanding an end to collective punishment and the occupation

    London Palestine Action 05 July 2014.

    Palestinian demo

    End Israel’s War Against Palestinians
    Saturday 5 July 2pm to 4pm
    Israeli Embassy
    Kensington High Street
    London W8 4QB
    http://stopwar.org.uk/events/london-emergency-protest-at-israeli-embassy-demanding-an-end-to-collective-punishment-and-the-occupation

  35. I heard this brave widow in the night speaking on the World Service. A kind of justice has been delivered for her and her murdered husband. You have to admire the tenacity of such a woman persisting all these years on.

    July 1, 2014,

    Court: U.S. military spies had role leading to 1973 deaths of Americans in Chile
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/court-u-s-military-spies-had-role-leading-to-1973-deaths-of-americans-in-chile/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Horman

  36. Foolish grin

    5 Jul, 2014 - 8:08 am

    Down the rabbit hole sounds wonderful. I hadn’t realised that there was a real connection people who post on here or that they might do something organize a festival like this. I have made a critical comment in the past about people posting too much: I retract.

  37. Nevermind

    Are you around? If you are interested to come up again I think I might be able to organise you a lift up and back?

  38. I caught the tail end of free entry Glastonbury and spent a few years going as it transitioned into the monster it is now. I did have some fantastic times there.

    However, Stonehenge was something else. We were young clash city rockers, not integrated with any groups there, and had never seen anything like it. At first we were nervous, scared of some bikers if I recall, but once you embraced it, got over the shock, phew, it was a beautiful mad time. Wish I’d gone more now. I do remember at the time thinking all festivals must be like Stonehenge and Glastonbury.

    I didn’t know similar free festivals still go on today ANode. I am glad to hear that. I struggle to be nostalgic about shitpits though. I trust DTRH has decent loos.

  39. Sofia (Cosmic Explorer)

    5 Jul, 2014 - 10:11 am

    “Spirit of Gordon” Log: 14 07 05 09 19

    The ship feels earily silent, apart that argument about Afriends software. The crew continues the search for Dad, with the extreme caution that such a dangerous undertaking requires. Our instruments indicate that he has taken up residence somewhere in the recycling complex. This is confirmed by the sudden exodus of thousands of traumatised rats. Too bad they took the only functioning Deep Space Survival Pod.

    The inquiry into the unfortunate incident with the Qztolon emissary proceeds and I understand that Anon and Jemand are taking their task so seriously that it leaves them little time for much else.

    Their task is hindered by Ba’al’s prodigeous ability to concoct ridiculous fantasy excuses for his actions. My two favourites so far….

    “… Qztolnonis highly inflammable – spark from unsecured glipper electrode initiated catastrophe – remains proved addictively tasty…”

    and

    “You know what the speakers on those KXW 1048347 translators are like.”

    Well, yes, they could be better, but I lestened to the recording half a dozen times and it seems pretty clear to me that it said “I want your people to meet me.”

    Ben and A Node are working on repairs to the improbability drive (when they haven’t got more important stuff to do) and we expect to be well underway by Sunday evening when the Vogon Galactic Guard finally take their attention off the telly and resume their patrols. I understand they have paid the referees 100,000,000,000,000 Fomalhautian Sgnaangs and expect a Brazilian triumph.

    Crew moral is so crucial to an undertaking like this and all they all want to be on planet earth in time for Doune. I expect the organisers will leave a couple of acres clear for the ship this time so we don’t have a repeat of last year’s fiasco.

    So, it’s almost time to move on and stop pointing accusing fingers (or tentacles) at each other.

    We’ll be passing quite close to the Electromagnetic filaments in IC 5146 so this may be thel last communication for some time.

  40. @Mary: Perhaps you posted it somewhere else. This good news needs posting everywhere, because for sure the mm aren’t going to publicise it. Even that Independent article I referred to was more interested in saying this was a political act, and putting the question that FIFA might investigate…

  41. You forgot to mention the dog Sofia. Snoopy asks the question on this girl’s blog.
    http://redhairandrunningshoes.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/where-is-everyone.html

    Where’s your mama gone? Where’s yours papa gone? I ask. Some cheese from the 70s.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay6CIDryEAQ

    PS That girl should not be in that shiny blue trouser suit with the flares!

  42. doug scorgie

    5 Jul, 2014 - 11:20 am

    News just in

    Palestinian Mohammad Abu Khdair ‘was burned alive’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28174519

  43. Terrible and most cruel Doug. I did not know he was alive.

    I put this post up from Dr Abuelaish on the Dead children in Palestine thread.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/more-dead-children-in-palestine/#comment-464733

    He has experienced his own tragedy. I remember seeing him get the news live about his family. It was on a video. At the time he was in Israel working in their medical system. No irony that they killed his daughters.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzeldin_Abuelaish

    They lived right up in the North of Gaza near the Erez crossing which is like the entrance to Hades.

    This is a very good description of it. Disembodied voices bark instructions out of speakers and you know that guns are trained on you.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/view-from-jerusalem-with-harriet-sherwood/2011/feb/10/gaza-palestinian-territories

  44. I would love to go.

  45. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸A.Node

    5 Jul, 2014 - 12:09 pm

    Phil,

    Yeah, we’ve got quite a good scene up here. We have a couple of friends with land – means we have landowners permission, makes everything easier. We usually do a couple a year, typically 3 days of music in 2 marquees, 2 quality PAs and lighting, 30 DJs, kitchen & chillout, and lots of cool people. Everybody gives everything for free, nobody gets paid. If anybody ever made a profit, the whole thing would fall apart. Instead, people look for ways to contribute. We got people with professional outdoor projectors and lasers, usually someone sets out hundreds of paper bags with night lights in them, log candles dotted about – at night it looks like space city. We pass round a hat on the Saturday afternoon but we don’t need much, maybe £500 to £1000 for generators, fuel, water bowser, van-hire, stuff. Regards the toilets, years ago someone gave us an old trailer and we built loos on it. Now we just have to tow it over a hole in the ground, saves us hours every party :)

    The trick is to keep the numbers under control. No Facebook, no open invites, once you’ve been a few times you can invite friends and take responsibility for them being cool. Up to about 400 is do-able, everyone just gets the vibe. Any more and you need people on the gate and stewards and stuff, and no-one wants to have to do that at a party.

    There are a few old-style free festivals about too. There’s one in the West Highlands called ‘Midge Death’ been happening for about 20 years now, usually around the autumn equinox. It was always held at Cluanie Dam, Invermoriston but there was an accident a few years ago and now it’s moving about. For those with Facebook …..
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Midge-Death-Free-Festival/128759780505461
    …. otherwise Google ‘Midge Death’

  46. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸A.Node

    5 Jul, 2014 - 12:12 pm

    #!#! Warning !#!#

    It is called “midge death” for a reason.

  47. I have considered your recommendation Baal and have decided against implemention. An example: “*anon*” would also discreetly hide “Anonymous” and “Benny Shanon”. Better to occassionaly have unwanted friends pop up than miss people we didn’t intend to.

    Thank you for the suggestion and of course you can always edit your own Habbabreak script to include wildcards. Give it a go and let me know if you need assistance.

    Fred, am I on your Habbabreak list or are you just ignoring me the old fashioned way? You’ve said nothing about my gift especially for you. A simple curt rejection is all I ask.

    Wonderful new name ————·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node. Habbabreak is for love and unity.

    Bon voyage Sophia. How I wish I was with you all. Habbabreak is for freedom.

    Mary, Habbabreak doesn’t isolate. People do. Habbabreak simply cuts out the interference that distracts putting you back in the moment. I so wish you of all people would try it.

    Escape your demons! There’s an app for that!

    The House Of Afrend – a permissive software, peace promoting, free loving, all in, egalitarian house

  48. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    5 Jul, 2014 - 12:51 pm

    Afrend : “Wonderful new name ————·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node.”

    Thanks, Afrend, and I’ll use that as an opportunity to drop the “A” and complete my metamorphosis from A.Node to ————·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node
    There, it’s done. I feel much lighter now.

    BTW, though not a user myself (scrolling – I need the exercise), I love the concept of Habbabreak and your style in distributing it. See a need – fill it. If everyone did that, the world would soon be sorted.

  49. Fool

    We would love to see you.

  50. Ba'al Zevul ( -(h2/2m)d2Ψ/dx2 + 1/2kx2 = EΨ )

    5 Jul, 2014 - 2:23 pm

    Thanks for your response Afrend. If it becomes a problem, I will take your advice, but very grateful for the script as it stands.

  51. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    5 Jul, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    “Palestinian Authority [PA] and Israeli security sources are convinced that followers of ISIS in the Gaza Strip are responsible for some of the recent rocket attacks on Israel.

    Hamas, they say, seems to be losing control over the dozens of terror cells belonging to ISIS and other jihadi groups.”

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4392/isis-gaza

    Maybe even the kidnap/killings?

  52. Ba'al Zevul ( -(h2/2m)d2Ψ/dx2 + 1/2kx2 = EΨ )

    5 Jul, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    Bugger. Superscript doesn’t transfer from Open Office to Craig Murray. So much for the smartypants sig…

  53. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp )

    5 Jul, 2014 - 2:37 pm

    Hamas, they say, seems to be losing control over the dozens of terror cells belonging to ISIS and other jihadi groups.”

    This would be the direct result of Israel’s refusal to deal with Hamas as the legitimately elected representatives of Gaza’s interests. What the fuck did they expect?

    Answer: exactly that. Delegitimise and divide; enables the presentation of the victims as aggressors. It’s not inconceivable that Israel’s found a way of supplying the militants’ crap missiles – which usually land in fields, or even in Gaza…

  54. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    5 Jul, 2014 - 2:46 pm

    Howdy Ba’al. Working overtime? :)

    I can’t imagine ISIS bleeding off former Hamas supporters, but it could be many are dissatisfied with not just PLA performance, but Hamas as well.

    Hezbollah, next?

  55. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    5 Jul, 2014 - 3:02 pm

  56. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin )

    5 Jul, 2014 - 3:05 pm

    Flexi-time, Ben.

    Hizb’ullah are Shi’a, so I doubt that will work! One of the aims in bringing Assad down was of course to end Syrian support for them and destabilise Lebanon – again – in Israel’s favour. They have very good reason to remain supportive of Assad, and none whatever to collaborate in the Sunni Caliphate that ISIS have in mind.

  57. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    5 Jul, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Palestinians are Sunni, so it may be a better fit, and Shia are considered apostate by that sect. But conversion, although culturally unusual, is possible. What other explanation for ISIS operating in Gaza with apparent approval from someone?

  58. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    5 Jul, 2014 - 3:12 pm

    Ignore that last post. Totally bolloxed with no recovery possible.

  59. I can’t get the thought out of my mind of Mohammad being burnt alive.

    Here he is being kidnapped.

    http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/07/revealed-cctv-shows-moment-palestinian-boy-kidnapped-killed/

    ~~

    What a good kind man here in spite of everything.
    https://twitter.com/DrAbuelaish

  60. Ba’al Zevul, what’s that equation?

  61. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin )

    5 Jul, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    Schrödinger – particle translational motion, Clark. All 2′s should be superscript (squares) except ’2m’
    ‘Ψ’ is the wavefunction.

    And that’s as far as I go without making more of a fool of myself.

  62. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin )

    5 Jul, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    Roy Anderson – traces exist of him on the internet (bikers remember their own), and was evidently a talented rider with a good track record (literally). One at least of the bikes he owned was a CBX 1000 – iconic bike: Honda shovelled six cylinders- inline, like a car engine – into a useable frame, and achieved high levels of user satisfaction…worship even. It was built like a Swiss watch and sounded like a choir of CB 125′s. It may be the one you are thinking of, and the photo could be one.

  63. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    5 Jul, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    Can someone please explain to me the scam involving academy schools. 

    The Academies Act 2010  was the first thing the Coalition did when it was elected in 2010, a sure-fire sign that it is important to the Tory backers. Since then, thousands of schools have been converted from state to academy schools, which means the taxpayer still pays for the but private individuals get to decide the curriculum.

     But who is making money out of this and how? Today’s Guardian has a front page story titled: “Wealthy Tory donor David Ross in line for top Ofsted job

     ”A multimillionaire Tory party donor and friend of David Cameron and Boris Johnson, is in the frame to become chair of Ofsted, a move that would plunge the schools regulator into a further row over its politicisation.

    David Ross, the playboy co-founder of Carphone Warehouse whose charitable foundation supports more than 20 academy schools, is understood to be in serious contention to take over the Ofsted role from Labour peer Sally Morgan, who is waiting for the education secretary, Michael Gove, to make a fresh appointment.”

    Don’t tell me this guy has diverted his energies into schooling for philanthropic reasons. I don’t get it. What’s the scam? What am I missing?

  64. I thought it might be Schrödinger. “d2Ψ/dx2″ will be the second differential of the wavefunction wrt x, which is presumably distance. Are H Planck’s constant, m mass and E energy? And what is k?

  65. Node, it’s not just about selling mobile ‘phone contracts to kids is it? Carphone Warehouse became TalkTalk.

  66. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin )

    5 Jul, 2014 - 4:00 pm

    That should be h-bar (h/2π), actually, but life was too short to find the symbol…k is the force constant, and yes, E is energy as usual.

  67. ‘Baroness Morgan, whose expulsion from her Ofsted role was revealed this year by The Independent, was widely considered to have proved an impartial executive despite having run Tony Blair’s office when he was Prime Minister.

    “Sally Morgan has been able to rise above party politics and command cross-party support – it’s crucial the next person is able to do the same,” a Liberal Democrat source said.

    Mr Laws indicated that he believed the decision not to re-appoint Baroness Morgan was a sign that the Ofsted inspectorate, which is officially independent of government control, was being damaged by political interference.’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conflict-of-interest-outcry-at-plan-to-put-tory-donor-in-charge-of-ofsted-9585747.html

    Ross sounds most unsuitable! Read on.

    He won’t be in the job long though will he? That is, is he gets it.

  68. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    5 Jul, 2014 - 4:20 pm

    I think it must go deeper than selling phones, Clark, but maybe not. Maybe it is all about marketing opportunities, gaining the power to choose school suppliers, gaining control of the schools’ budgets. But I suspect there are deeper motives. Political? Brainwashing? I think I’m missing something.

  69. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin )

    5 Jul, 2014 - 4:25 pm

    http://www.dret.co.uk/
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/david-ross-the-tycoon-who-fell-to-earth-1058023.html

    (2008)
    Amid the instant calls now for him to be removed from his position at Locog, many are concerned in Tory central command about the links between Mr Ross and the party and the potential for further embarrassment.

    Would you buy a used academy from this man? Yes? Then have a look at his Wiki entry too.

  70. ————·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node
    “What’s the scam?”

    This is just my guess born from a believe that state schooling is all about the difficult job of shaping a compliant work force from a whole load of rebellious individuals.

    They are playing the long game. The current academies are set up to:

    -get corporate advertising into schools
    -employ staff sympathetic to the corporate mind set
    -normalise excessive pay for a few
    -attack the unions
    -prepare for a profit making education system

  71. Crikey. http://companycheck.co.uk/director/904384199 Net worth!

    Mark Bolland is a co director of his foundation plus two others.

    There is also the David Ross Education Trust under which the academies are presumably
    held. State money being handed out by the bucketful.
    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06182612

    This is Mark Bolland, ex Prince of Wales staff.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Bolland

  72. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    5 Jul, 2014 - 4:49 pm

    Phil,
    My suspicions run along the similar lines to yours, but if that’s the game, then what’s in it for the likes of Ross? He doesn’t seem a Soros/Koch brother type mover shaker. There doesn’t seem to be any immediate financial gain. Is he someone’s lackey, fronting part of a long term operation? Helping out the big boys for a few favours?
    They’re up to something.

  73. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    5 Jul, 2014 - 4:53 pm

    Ah, I’ve figured it out, it’s all so obvious. The simple explanation is …. oh, sorry, the football’s starting, gotta go.

  74. ————·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Sorry I missed the specific question entirely. OK how about this:

    He’s establishing a foothold. Sometime in the future, perhaps even as soon as one week after our next neo-liberal government in April 2015, schools making profits are deemed a good idea. Bingo!

    It’s a punt on a wink and a nod. He donates somewhere along the line. No need to put everything in the manifesto.

    i.e. Business as usual.

  75. For control and power. That’s what they are after.

  76. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin )

    5 Jul, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    PLease read my Indie link above. All the clues are there. He greases up everyone who might be in a position to put a margin his way. Including, not only Cameron and Johnson, but, almost without needing to say this, Blair.

    He can sometimes portray himself as a self-made man – a Northerner who has succeeded in the business world of London.

    But in fact Mr Ross’s father, John, ran Cosalt*, a safety services firm which is Grimsby’s only quoted public limited company, and on whose board Mr Ross Jnr still sits. Indeed, the family is part of the Ross frozen food dynasty..

    ..he has frequented parties attended by, among others, Mick Jagger, the publisher William Cash, merchant banker Mark Cecil, and Prince William and Kate Middleton….

    …Barely a year older than David Cameron the pair have become friends.

    In October, Mr Cameron flew from London to West Yorkshire and back on Mr Ross’ private helicopter. Two summers ago, Mr Ross paid for Mr Cameron’s return flight from Germany for a World Cup match. Since 2001, Mr Ross has donated £117,560 to the Tories, either to Conservative Central Office or to local branches of the Conservatives near his home in Northamptonshire.

    And his involvement in politics has given in him entrée into his other passion – sport. He is a member of the Sports Council, on the board of Wembley Stadium and was recently appointed by Boris Johnson – to whom he bears a passing resemblance – as his representative on the board of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (Locog).

    *which he ran into the ground, and put into administration under Price Waterhouse Cooper in 2013. PWC subsequently sold him back a chunk of it for a knockdown price.

    Detailed examination of his company structure would probably reveal something set up (like Serco etc) exclusively to subcontract publicly-funded work. That’s how privatisation works. The public no longer has to pay for the operation of a service. Instead the public pays for the operation of the service (badly), substantial profits for the contracting company, any sweeteners and discounts going, and in the case of PFI, renting its own property.

    You people really aren’t cynical enough…:-)

  77. Nice one Baal. Not sure if I fully grasp the penultimate par (“how privatisation works”) if you fancy spelling it out for an idiot.

  78. Presumably the millions of Eqypt’s poor will not have access to electricity for cooking and light.

    Morsi couldn’t or wouldn’t do it but al Sisi does the business. No problem.

    ‘Ousted President Mohammed Morsi failed to implement a $4.8bn (£2.8bn) loan from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) which would have unlocked another $12bn in bilateral loans. His reluctance to sign the deal was partly down to the austerity measures tied to it. These would have included reducing energy subsidies, cutting the public sector workforce and introducing a sales tax.’

    Egypt raises fuel and electricity costs
    Egypt has introduced electricity and fuel price increases in a move to cut state subsidies and reduce the budget deficit.
    Some fuel tariffs are reported to be increasing by 78% while electricity prices are expected to almost double within five years.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28173507

    ~~

    Egypt’s poverty rate has increased, reaching 26.3 per cent for the year 2012/13 compared with 25.2 percent in 2010/11, the state-run statistics agency CAPMAS reported on Wednesday.

    A CAPMAS report stated that the domestic poverty line stands at an annual LE3,920 ($569) per person

    However, the country’s extreme poverty rate shed 0.4 percent from 2010/11 to record 4.4 percent in 2012/13. The extreme poverty line stands at an annual LE3,570 ($518) per person.

    Poverty remains predominant in rural areas compared to urban areas. The highest rates in the country are in two southern Egyptian governorates, Assiut and Qena, at 60 and 58 percent respectively.

    The average expenditure of Egyptian households stand at some LE26,161 ($3,798).

    Expenditures of around 5.6 percent of the Egyptian families –currently 19 million nationwide – are less than LE10,000 ($1,452) per year, while 6.2 percent of total families spend more than LE50,000 ($7,259) annually.
    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/3/12/87776/Business/Economy/Egypts-poverty-rate-rises-to–in–CAPMAS.aspx

  79. Peacewisher

    5 Jul, 2014 - 8:11 pm

    Just watched GG programme with Chris Fear. Very, very, depressing about Palestine. Good turnout at demonstrations outside Middle East. however…

    Then watched RT news about continuing bombing of Donbass people. Arguably even worse, as is mmedia coverage.

  80. Peacewisher

    5 Jul, 2014 - 8:14 pm

    Apologies… Harry, not Chris.

    http://www.harryfear.co.uk/blog/

  81. Peacewisher

    5 Jul, 2014 - 8:21 pm

    Flicked back to BBC1 and ITV1, and both channels full on with variations on “worship money!” A long week-end in the country in Bonny Scotland looking increasingly attractive…

  82. Peacewisher

    5 Jul, 2014 - 8:48 pm

    My increasing pre-football depression was finally lifted through an appearance on RT by this rather remarkable young lady:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUsJzO8tmEQ

    (video filmed at the demonstration which did not happen…)

  83. Brianfujisan

    5 Jul, 2014 - 10:52 pm

    Jeeeeezo Costa….Geeeeza Goal.. Argentan – Wise up

    Craig, Clark I’m up for Volunteering ….Heavy Diary for August Two weddings..Best man at One.. But would love to be there n help oot…

    Slight communication problem with Hearing Aids..but Still Game

  84. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jul, 2014 - 12:30 am

    Children are always the first victims of war.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.603184

    “The Palestinian youth who was caught on video earlier this week being beaten by members of the Israeli Border Police is a United States citizen from Florida, the U.S. State Department confirmed on Saturday.

    State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki named the youth as Tariq Khdeir, 15. He was a cousin of Muhammed Abu Khdeir, a 16-year-old Palestinian whose burned body was found Wednesday in the Jerusalem Forest. Khdeir was visited by a U.S. consulate official, the statement said.

    “We are profoundly troubled by reports that he was severely beaten while in police custody and strongly condemn any excessive use of force,” Psaki said. “We are calling for a speedy, transparent and credible investigation and full accountability for any excessive use of force.”"

    Ah, yes. The sanctity of US citizenship.

  85. Brianfujisan, brilliant. They like you to register, I think:

    http://dounetherabbithole.co.uk/become-a-volunteer/

    or e-mail rachel at that domain.

  86. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jul, 2014 - 1:32 am

    As it relates to discussion with Ba’al ……

    I think Libertarianism is a doggerel of confused and ambivalent politics. It’s easy to hide conservatism within that moniker. I have been observing it for some time and find it disingenuous. There is such a thing as left libertarianism, but it is squashed by the din of untoward comments. Just as liberals used to hide behind ‘independent’ when lynch mobs united to hand them by the neck until dead, so too conservatives seek shelter. It’s time to define the demarcation between Rand Paul conservatism and libertarians who don’t believe that highways and infrastructure should not be Federal but local. Where I agree with them is that Posse comitatus proscribes the militarization of local police with MRAPS and ordnance beyond their utility for law enforcement. The Vets returning from war and the PTSD demon afflict their families and the public when they are incorporated in a cop mentality. Taxpayer dollars

  87. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jul, 2014 - 1:35 am

    good Christ. ” Taxpayer dollars funded the very suppression they were supposed to prevent.”

  88. Chapter and verse here. Because the abuse is historic, that does not detract from its horror.

    http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/12/18/uk-establishment-closes-ranks-as-organised-paedophile-network-leads-back-to-no-10/

    See ceemac666′s contributions ref
    Clegg, Brittan, Vaz

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1404613647.html

  89. The child being beaten by the IDF. His jaw is broken. The sadistic cruelty displayed in the videos is unbearable to watch.

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/israel-holds-us-boy-without-charge-after-police-nearly-beat-him-death

  90. PEACEWISHER I think that anti austerity YT might have been got at. When I clicked on I got the most awful screeching sound. Could not get out of it and had to switch off my computer. Thankfully it was OK when I rebooted.

  91. Are we regressing back to our ape ancestry?

    ‘Paedophilia is natural and normal for males’
    How some university academics make the case for paedophiles at summer conferences http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

    Even Andrew Gilligan’s title gives the practice some credence and acceptability on first sight.

  92. Peacewisher

    6 Jul, 2014 - 8:39 am

    @Mary: Sound like your computer crashed. This has happened to me with youtube videoes. Don’t worry about it. Anyway, what did you make of Franscesca?

  93. BrianFujisan

    Great – fill out the volunteer form on the festival website if you don’t mind.

  94. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    6 Jul, 2014 - 9:37 am

    Thanks for the great offer Craig, would have loved to jump doune the rabbit hole. I’m working at present finding some Saxon sunken feature buildings in Norfolk and I have my son come down from Edinburgh.

    Would have loved to shake my booty to the peatbog fairies and have a jar with you. There will always be another tim e and my September date in Lochgoilhead is soon upon us.

    Maybe by then the clear up on site has finished and Jamie has time for a jar/coffee in Glasgow.
    Love to see the residential painting team again.

  95. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    6 Jul, 2014 - 9:41 am

    Who knows, everything might change by August…..;) I would love to come up and do a stint of stewarding with Brian, tell a tale, we both could beef up the bar/security crew or help with potato peeling….

    and some gentle ale tasting, whats the ale on offer this year?

  96. @Peacewisher, thank you for the Francesca Martinez clip; a remarkable lady, and her “”You know what, F**k Profit !” could be the best slogan I’ve heard in ages :D

  97. Having been handcuffed to a bed with his ankles also handcuffed to it, the injured boy is now under house arrest. And America’s Psaki makes a feeble protest to the Israelis.

    This treatment of a child by the Israelis is an outrage.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1296023/boy-in-beating-video-row-faces-house-arrest

  98. Mary; “This treatment of a child by the Israelis is an outrage”

    It’s yet another abomination from an abomination that calls itself a State.

  99. From Mary’s link:

    “Palestinians believe Mohammed was killed by Israeli extremists in a revenge attack after three Israeli youths were found dead.”

    And so it goes on.

    Mary : “This treatment of a child by the Israelis is an outrage.”

    Proving that Mary is part of the problem, not the solution , as she has nothing to say about Palestinian violence towards Israelis, except perhaps to excuse it.

  100. “”You know what, F**k Profit !” could be the best slogan I’ve heard in ages”

    Only in the mind of a child, Macky.

  101. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    6 Jul, 2014 - 1:04 pm

    Phil – if you’re interested in the intentionally well-concealed economics of private finance in public services, probably better to look at instances for yourself. You might start here:

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/05/pfi-contracts-list

    And note that the process distributes taxpayers’ money not only to contractors, but to the ultimate financial backers such as hedge funds.

    I’m only just getting to grips with the scale of this myself.

  102. Anon; “Only in the mind of a child, Macky”

    Yes, it’s difficult for a brainwashed adult mind not to believe that everything has to generate a financial profit.

  103. “F**k Profit !” would appear would appear to suggest that nothing should.

  104. Anon; “would appear to suggest that nothing should”

    Perhaps you should actually watch the clip Peacewisher provided, for the missing anti-austerity context.

  105. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    6 Jul, 2014 - 1:37 pm

    Ba’al and Phil.

    More useful homework for your research into private finance in public services. Here a FOI document which gives you some idea of the colossal amounts of public money involved. The web page will want to open as a .doc from http://www.justice.gov.uk.

  106. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    6 Jul, 2014 - 1:40 pm

    How horrible and dangerous can a state become towards its children and how stupid can the emperor watchers on here get by not seeing the obvious, i.e that Netanyahu wears no cloth. Every time he opens his mouth blod is spilled.

    Israel is desperate and the zionistst are nbehaving like this to keep its increasingly loud and critical jewish population on their side. Nothing would stop them.

    I suppose we can now expect Anon to apologise for suspecting Hamas of kidnapping the three teenagers, on behalf of his fellow trolls here and his/their beloved Zionistan.

  107. Tickets are not expensive…..
    Bwahahahahah!

    You’re so out of touch with reality! Could you please tell your reader how much money you have been paid over the years by the taxpayers (the workers)?

    Treat this as an FoI request.

    No? Thought not.

  108. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    6 Jul, 2014 - 1:47 pm

    Interview with Jesselyn Raddack, Snowden and Drakes representative lawyer, over the extend of NSA spying and the cult status national security has aquired since the modern information age made it possible to spy without vengance.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-nsa-experts-on-us-spying-in-germany-a-979215.html

  109. Well it is official “Jewish Extremists” as per the zionistani authorities kidnapped the fifteen year old Palestinian boy and burned him alive. Not content with the murder however the zionistani uniformed thugs (Jewish Extremists with a license) have been videoed beating up another nearly fifteen year old boy whom happens to be the cousin of the roasted alive victim (of course everyone will realise the deliberate way the boy was lying unconscious and hurting the knuckles of those beating up on him, and it is all edited out of the video!!!!!) .

    Needless to point out that, the only reason this beating has come to the attention of the world, is because the boy happens to be a US national (why is there no law against stopping these interlopers becoming nationals of the west???) . Not forgetting the best friendship between the US and its best friend zionistan is not sitting well with the Yanks, that one of theirs is getting the treatment. Hence the immediate release of the “sand nigger/pally/subhuman Arab”.

    Meanwhile Liam has been pulled out of the cupboard to pontificate about Taayyyyyrrrrrreeeer$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$T£ (bawhawwww watch behind the screen there is a Muslim ready to get you any minute). All the while the mejdia are airing the concerns of the terror industry stakeholders; “Britons are not taking the terror threat seriously”! Did I say Britten? Reminds me about how quietly little Leon has been interviewed for rape, although the stenographers are at pain to point out the girl was above the age of 18!!!!

    No worries about the dossier getting covered up because as Lord Tebbit (do you recollect the good old Norman, and his bicycle advice?) to explain; those days people just did not talk about that kind of thing!!!!! (which fucking universe is this fossil residing in?)

    Obviously the toxic situation is so far gone down the shitter that none of the luminaries dare to pontificate other than the old has been and over with luminaries of yesteryear whom are prepared to put their head above the parapet. These airing their briefed views; this exercise in flying various balloons with the aid of the bygone era actors is an obvious desperate clawing around for a narrative that can explain away the cover-up that has let the culprits get on with their pastime whilst raining crap on the world, at the behest of their handlers.

    Finally anyone who has read the Wealth of Nations past the first sixteen pages at around 350 and over will find the positively lefty Adam Smith talking about the insolence of aristocracy and futility of oppression, whilst questioning the validity of profit in the face of mother suckling her baby and young men being asked to defend their country at war.

    As ever the neocons hope no one ever reads the stuff so they make it up as they go along, perverting all concepts they have touched. Schumpeter in his worst nightmares never would have thought his “creative destruction” could be hijacked to promote the very antithesis of his ideas.

  110. Anon You have often heard me say ‘NO child shall be harmed’.

    ~~~

    The Israelis have arrested six people described as nationalists for the murder of Mohammad. Assume that means settlers.

  111. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jul, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    “Finally anyone who has read the Wealth of Nations past the first sixteen pages…”

    They read with cherry-picking spectacles, just like many read the Bible/Koran in the Great Cafeteria of Ideology.

    They read Saul Alinsky with the same kind of eyeballs.

  112. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jul, 2014 - 3:14 pm

    Children seem always to suffer the most. If they’re not taking fire they’re forced to give it.

    http://jurist.org/paperchase/2014/07/un-human-rights-abuses-against-children-continuing-with-impunity.php

    “recruitment of child soldiers by seven national armies and 50 armed groups fighting wars in the Central African Republic, South Sudan, Syria and in 11 other countries. Zerrougui was especially critical of Syria [JURIST backgrounder], calling the country “one of the most dangerous places in the world to be a child,”"

  113. On the profiteering from PFIs I put this up recently.

    Northumbria NHS trust saves £67m by freeing itself from PFI …
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/northumbria-nhs-trust-saves-67m-by-freeing-itself-from-pfi-deal-9517844.html
    Critics of the controversial private-finance initiative (PFI) programme have called for a full independent inquiry after an NHS trust saved nearly … 9 Jun 2014

    Exclusive: How private firms make quick killing from PFI – UK …4 Jun 2014 – The Independent’s findings shine a new light on how private … Balfour Beatty is the biggest beneficiary of its PFI deals, making profits of £188.9m (Getty) … NHS experts said that, in the case of the hospitals, the profit from …
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exclusive-how-private-firms-make-quick-killing-from-pfi-9488351.html

    ~~~

    I have posted that Guardian spreadsheet before. The extent of it is staggering. Your grandchildren will still be paying out in decades to come.

    Major set it going, BLair let it rip and this lot in power csrried on.

    eg
    Surrey County Council let out a PFI to Skanska for street lighting replacement and maintenance over a period.

    See how it’s framed in a press release…. ‘government money’ given to Surrey residents!!
    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/street-lights-bring-cost-environmental-4821498

    A £30m hospital extension is currently being built for a Surrey mental health trust.

    A relation was an architect on this large PFI project.
    https://www.laingorourke.com/our-work/all-projects/tunbridge-wells-hospital.aspx

  114. The Zionist Kevin Connolly the BBC’s ME correspondent writes:

    ‘the killing of 3 Israelis worse than “waves of violence” in Middle East’

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/amena-saleem/bbc-killing-3-israelis-worse-waves-violence-middle-east

    The approach of the BBC’s John Humphreys is also discussed on http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1404630394.html

  115. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jul, 2014 - 3:36 pm

  116. They claim this regardless, in order to scare the inhabitants. The Ukies are here, the American equivalent of the Guardian spook mouthpiece says so, flee for your lives. I think the script is running ahead of the facts on the ground and the WaPo bosses and editors just got another charge on their war crimes indictment.

  117. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jul, 2014 - 4:42 pm

    Well WaPo is another Guardian of the Snowden revelations.

    Nearly half are Americans, but I note this phrasing……..

    “Among the most valuable contents — which The Post will not describe in detail, to avoid interfering with ongoing operations — are fresh revelations about a secret overseas nuclear project, double-dealing by an ostensible ally, a military calamity that befell an unfriendly power, and the identities of aggressive intruders into U.S. computer networks.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-nsa-intercepted-data-those-not-targeted-far-outnumber-the-foreigners-who-are/2014/07/05/8139adf8-045a-11e4-8572-4b1b969b6322_story.html

    Drip, drip drip…..

  118. As the psycho bestrides the world, he now demands that Maliki changes or goes.

    Tony Blair calls on Iraqi PM Nouri al-Maliki to change or quit
    Former Prime Minister unrepentant over 2003 Iraqi invasion as he criticises Maliki regime
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10949891/Tony-Blair-calls-on-Iraqi-PM-Nouri-al-Maliki-to-change-or-quit.html

  119. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    6 Jul, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    “As the psycho bestrides the world, he now demands that Maliki changes or goes.”

    That’s why we killed 100s of 1000s of Iraqis – to give them democracy then tell them who their leader should be and what he should do..

  120. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jul, 2014 - 6:45 pm

    Blair was on MTP today and the gorgon Andrea Mitchell tossed him the obligatory Iraq/Saddam question and gave him plenty of room to equivocate, and with NO follow-up question.

    Where, oh where would we be without this kind of reportage?

  121. Bolder

    What a strange request. Well, I left the civil service in 2004. At that time I was earning about 58,000 a year. I started work in 1984 I think on 14,000. Does that answer your question?

  122. doug scorgie

    6 Jul, 2014 - 8:37 pm

    Mary
    6 Jul, 2014 – 2:53 pm

    “The Israelis have arrested six people described as nationalists for the murder of Mohammad. Assume that means settlers.”

    Quite right Mary.

    Anon please note:

    The Israelis have killed six Palestinian youths, arrested 400 and demolished a number of homes in their search for the killers of the three Jewish youths and they have tightened-up the blockade of Gaza. All these actions are against international law but what the heck?

  123. “Khdair’s mother told the Associated Press news agency she had no faith in the Israeli justice.

    “I don’t have any peace in my heart,” Suha Khdair said.

    “Even if they captured who they say killed my son… they’re only going to ask them questions and then release them. What’s the point?

    “They need to treat them the way they treat us. They need to demolish their homes and round them up, the way they do it to our children”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28182704

  124. Update, 6 July: Arrests

    “On Sunday, media reported that six suspects had been arrested in the killing of Muhammad. The suspects were not named but an Israeli official told media that they were “Jewish extremists.”

    Israeli blogger Elizabeth Tsurkov reported on her Twitter feed that the suspects were associated with the Beitar Jerusalem football club whose fans are notorious for anti-Arab violence and racist chants.

    She said that this information was reported by Israel’s Channel 10, in violation of a gag order.”

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-shows-faces-suspected-killers-palestinian-teen#update

  125. Peacewisher

    6 Jul, 2014 - 9:32 pm

    I notice that someone suggested on another thread last night that the trolls weren’t providing value for money. Anon’s latest outburst in presumably a response to that statement. I should ignore the someone, Anon, until there is a theme that involves a subject where you are so completely wrong. What more proof is needed that Israel are completely off the scale out of order after the US State Dept. articulates their outrage…

  126. Back to PFIs and the privatisation of the health service. Milburn, one of the most avaricious of the Nu Labour crowd and a proponent of PFI hospitals, has done very nicely for himself. Also on Bridgepoint is Lord Patten late chair of the BBC.

    Alliance Medical operate the Magnetic Resonance Imaging in my local NHS general hospital.


    ‘Poverty tsar’ Alan Milburn makes a million

    The private company set up by Alan Milburn, the so-called ‘poverty tsar,’ has made more than a million.
    The latest accounts, for the year ended March 2013, show that the company has accumulated more than £1,357,131 in profits

    By Tim Walker
    24 Jan 2014

    Alan Milburn may have become known as the “poverty tsar” after he accepted a job advising the Coalition on social mobility, but he is hardly on the breadline himself.

    Mandrake hears that A M Strategy, the private company that the former Labour health secretary set up after leaving government, made more than £500,000 last year.

    The latest accounts, for the year ended March 2013, show that the company has accumulated more than £1,357,131 in profits, which is £518,854 up on the £838,277 it had made up until 2012.

    Milburn co-directs the lucrative business with his long-term girlfriend, Ruth Briel. Its accounts are abbreviated and do not, therefore, reveal the company’s income from sales or disclose payments, if any, to its directors. Since he left politics, Milburn has worked as a consultant to Bridgepoint Capital, a venture capital firm which has been heavily involved in financing private health care companies moving into the NHS, including Alliance Medical, Match Group, Medica and the Robinia Care Group.

    The former Labour MP, pictured, is also vice-chairman of the Lloyds Pharmacy advisory board and has landed numerous consulting posts for giant firms such as Pepsi and the accountants PriceWaterhouseCoopers.

    Milburn will be on the Labour leader Ed Miliband’s strategy team for the next general election, along with fellow Blairites Lord Mandelson and — unbelievably — Alastair Campbell.’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10593106/Poverty-tsar-Alan-Milburn-makes-a-million.html

    A disgusting hypocrite. Do you remember him resigning ‘to spend more time with his family’?

    ~~~~

    Labour gets into bed with private medicine
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/nov/19/socialcare.policy
    19 November 2000

    ‘Britain is at the European cutting edge of this liberalisation. Last Monday Milburn confirmed this by inviting consortia to bid for 18 controversial new Private Finance Initiative hospitals worth £18 billion. PFI is a financing mechanism which allows private companies to build hospitals and rent them back to the NHS at considerable profit. The advantage for the Treasury is that infrastructure projects are kept off balance sheet.

    Most health industry insiders acknowledge that PFI is an expensive way of building new hospitals which means less money is left to spend on patient care. But Milburn said he wants to see PFI extended ‘beyond the hospital gates to include GP surgeries, community pharmacies, health centres, intermediate and long-term care facilities’.’

  127. Peacewisher

    6 Jul, 2014 - 9:58 pm

    So much coming out at the moment it is difficult to know which to highlight.

    But this one is really remarkable:

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/06/child-abuse-coverup-1980s-lord-tebbit

    Go Norman!

  128. Israel’s purging of Palestinian children – don’t mention The Occupation – John Hilley

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1404669987.html

  129. Thanks, Fred. And thanks to Tom Watson for starting this off! What a massive response… more than Blair petition already, but in any case can’t see the latter escaping an inquiry scot free (gulp… pun not intended(!), “Squeaky clean” might be better).

  130. Just passed 50,000.

  131. Yow! Tom Watson is a hero. Twice over, because he drew attention to the phone hacking scandal.

    And Police starting to find a way round being leaned on by going outside the UK to conduct interviews:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950138/Westminster-paedophile-ring-allegations-Scotland-Yard-detectives-trace-victim.html

  132. “Yow! Tom Watson is a hero. Twice over, because he drew attention to the phone hacking scandal.”

    Yes, just what he was hoping imbeciles like you would think. This stuff’s been doing the rounds for ages.

  133. So why has it gone viral now, Anon?

    And why are you calling those who wish child abusers to be brought to justice “imbeciles”?

  134. Because he reads a lot of stuff on the internet, decides what has enough credibility to not make him look like an idiot, publicises it and then bathes in all the glory as the fearless campaigner. And then imbeciles like you say “Yow! Tom Watson is a hero”, while ne’er a Labour paedo was touched.

  135. My Wife and I and some of our Friends have had a Completely Brilliant Day…then we got home…and I read The Daily Telegraph…I wrote this…its what it is…

    I still have an open mind about David Cameron..I can’t quite work out…if he is incredibly Stupid..or Incredibly Clever..But I Really Fancy His Wife…and No I have Never Done Cocaine…maybe she hasn’t either with Tricky of Massive Attack…But Why Exactly Did Massive Attack Have To Change Their Name From Massive Attack To Massive…just Before We First Started Bombing Innocent Women and Children To Hell in Iraq…You Remember Way Back Then..10 Years Before…The First Time We Bombed Iraq To Hell…and then killed over half a Million of their Children in The Sanctions and Madeline Albrite said The Price is Worth It …and The Cow Hilary…Said We Came We Saw…and Now He is Dead….

    You People..You Really Are The Scum Of The Earth….Come on Catherine Ashton (Baroness of Upholland)…in some Kind of Defence….Don’t You Realise How Evil These People Are?

    Can you please do something to try and protect us from them…

    They Really are Not Nice..and You are The EU Foreign Minister….You must have some influence.

    I know I got some of the dates wrong…but not the historical record. We need to defend ourselves from these horrible people.

    Tony

  136. I asked Janet(Of The Daily Telegraph) and Melanie Phillips (Of The Daily Mail) to come along…but it was on the wrong side of The River…but The Invite Was Wide Open…The Young Kids…Maybe From The BRIT…close by were Soul Sisters..and so was I.

    I did invite them…

    We were There Today.

    We got The Train.

    Tony

  137. I could Never quite work out Why My Wife has Bought Him a Seriously Magnificently Beautiful Card…she did show me it…but who is he…he is about my age..but he looks about 75..and when he is talking to her…he sticks his hand down…the back of his pants…He Really Does Not Look That Good…but although at least 2 stones heavier than me..and looking..well 40 years older than me…He has All These Beautiful Pretty Girlfriends…Absolutely Loads of Them…He has a Ruck Sack…and He Doesn’t Take All These Girls For Long Walks In The Countryside…He Takes Them on for example a Kinks Tour…Through The Streets of London..I just don’t get it…If it was Craig Murray..Yeh Sure O.K…He is Probably Someone Incredibly Famous..Now what Exactly Dose Ray Davies Look Like..I’m Fairly Sure It is Not Jimmy…Nor The Bass Player..and Anyway We Have already Got Tickets to See Robert Plant at The Roundhouse…not been their either. I don’t know all the people my wife knows…but She is so FAST…How did She Know That?

    Tony

  138. Front of The Pants…I could Understand..But The Back???…Maybe it’s really Long…My Wife Does Like Ganesh.

  139. What information, if any, will she bring and what action, if any, is being taken?

    May to address MPs on sex abuse claims
    Houses of Parliament
    The home secretary is to give a statement to Parliament on the row over the Home Office’s handling of historical child sex abuse allegations against public figures
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28189072

    ~~~

    Then there’s this. How many of us would get a private office inside a government department?

    Paedophile group leader ‘stored material at Home Office’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28187357

  140. Israel and the Palestinians

    It’s about Mind over Matter

    by Anthony Lawson / July 6th, 2014

    Ever since the three Israeli teenagers went missing, police and army units have besieged Palestinian towns and villages in the area; their houses and shops have been ransacked and atrocities have been committed; Gaza has been bombed, and the death toll is still rising, yet international leaders have remained largely silent, when they all know that such reprisals amount to collective-punishment which is a War Crime.

    A young Palestinian boy, 16-year-old Mohamed Abu Khdeir, was abducted and killed in a suspected revenge attack by Israelis on July 2. See how Britain’s prime minister reacted to his death.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/07/israel-and-the-palestinians/

    Plus a short video very much to the point.

  141. 7 July 2014
    Israeli air strikes on Gaza kill nine Palestinian militants

    Three uses of the word ‘militant’ in this report. Just to drive the point home that the Palestinians are ‘militants’ and the Israelis are ‘soldiers’.

    No irony from Bibi.
    ‘We will not allow extremists, it doesn’t matter from which side, to inflame the region and cause bloodshed”
    Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu

    Israeli air strikes on Gaza kill nine Palestinian militants
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28189031

  142. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    7 Jul, 2014 - 8:52 am

    No other senior executive would be allowed to operate like this; he would be sacked but Blair continues to make money amid the misery and chaos in the Middle East – some of it a legacy from his days as British PM.

    This latest deal as an adviser to Al-Sisi has been packaged together in a project funded by the United Arab Emirates. The programme is being supervised by the management consultancy Strategy which is part of PricewaterhouseCoopers. Their aim is to attract investment into Egypt’s failing economy and a donors’ conference sponsored by oil-rich UAE, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia will follow in which Blair will be a keynote speaker.

    Of course, we are told by Blair’s people that his decision to embark on this latest scheme was not being done “for any personal gain whatsoever”. During an interview with The Guardian newspaper his spokesperson insisted he would make no money out of Egypt, and neither would any of his organisations. “He is giving advice, he will have meetings, that’s all,” she said adding that he “is not a formal adviser”.

    Perhaps the question to ask would be how much is he being paid by the Gulf States promoting this scheme to give Al-Sisi some credibility …

    Ay, there’s the rub.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/12542-blair-makes-money-not-peace

  143. Glad I was not listening.

    The abhorrent Regev on BBC today programme again!
    Posted by Richard27 on July 7, 2014, 9:36 am

    Israeli mouthpiece Mark Regev was only on the BBC’s hawkish Today programme last Friday and now he was on again this morning to whitewash Israeli policy. The Israeli embassy must have a hot line to their studio

  144. The BBC must love satire, especially Israeli Satire; no doubt Regev repeated the narrative that those who burnt alive a 16 year Palestinian child were just bad apple “Extremists”, not at like his peace seeking & peace loving Government, that thinks nothing of burning Palestinian children with White Phosphorus. The message is hardly subliminal !

  145. This will interest Nevermind, and others.

    The Politics of the Eastern Daily Press

    http://www.communicationethics.net/journal/v11n3/v11n3_feat2.pdf

    ‘An establishment newspaper’:
    The politics of the Eastern Daily Press
    This paper analyses the political stance of the
    Norwich-based Eastern Daily Press. It uses Nick
    Davies’s notion of ‘churnalism’ and Herman
    and Chomsky’s Propaganda Model to explain,
    in particular, its editorial positions on the monarchy
    and British foreign policy. Moreover, the
    evidence presented suggests that the EDP’s
    ownership and, to a lesser extent, its reliance
    on advertising are key reasons for its political
    stances. Interviews with journalists, politicians
    and a prominent academic support the overall
    argument. The paper concludes: ‘Archant’s
    monopoly in the region has a worrying influence
    on dissent.’

  146. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    7 Jul, 2014 - 10:17 am

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681854/Family-beg-former-PM-Tony-Blair-help-free-BBC-reporter-held-Egyptian-prison.html

    He is now allegedly working behind the scenes to influence his good mate Sisi.

    Hmmm. Unworthy of me, I know, but he’s had seven years as ‘peace’ envoy to get a few of these released -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israel

    including

    15 minors who do not know even know why they are being detained…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israel

    let alone the 691 prisoners rounded up in reprisals for those bloody settler kids:

    http://www.petra.gov.jo/Public_News/Nws_NewsDetails.aspx?Site_Id=1&lang=2&NewsID=157233&CatID=13&Type=Home&GType=1

    Give up the day job, Tony. Stick to greasing dictators.

  147. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    7 Jul, 2014 - 10:21 am

  148. doug scorgie

    7 Jul, 2014 - 11:17 am

    “Theresa May is to outline plans for a “wide-ranging” inquiry, led by an expert panel, into historic child sex abuse claims…”

    I wonder who these “experts” will be. However:

    “The inquiry would be held in public but evidence would not be given under oath.”

    So any contributors to the inquiry can lie through their teeth without any fear of being charged with perjury.

    Just like the Chilcot inquiry and just like the Hutton inquiry.

    Another whitewash in the making.

  149. Straw gets plods x 3 to stop this reporter ‘harassing’ him as he called it.

    Note that there was questions there about cover ups of child abuse and MPs’ expenses.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lnkZvn04fY&list=PLtwaKexYyCg0nN5nue0b9WOIfAK5G6reH

    Is it an offence to stop a politician in the street and ask questions on camera?

  150. ….’were’ questions…..

  151. Three suspects in murder of Arab teen confess to crime

    “Three of the six suspects confessed to the murder of Mohammad Abu Khdeir from Shuafat and reenacted it in the area his body was dumped in the forest outside Jerusalem on Monday.”

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4538864,00.html

    “The six are suspected of being members of a terror organizations, memberships in an forbidden organization, abduction for the sake of murder, the murder of a minor, conspiring to commit a crime, possession of weapons and ammunition and committing a crime motivated by racism.”

  152. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    7 Jul, 2014 - 11:34 am

  153. https://www.facebook.com/TonyBlair/photos/a.10150271393503825.371040.131712588824/10152547407338825/?type=1

    On his al Sisi tie up.

    Cutting comments.

    I see he calls himself ‘Public Figure’ on his Facebook page!
    https://www.facebook.com/TonyBlair/photos_stream

  154. I see this slimeball did the spadework for the deal. On commission?

    Former spin doctor Alastair Campbell meets Egyptian regime blamed for 1,000 deaths – weeks after Blair gives staunch backing to its coup leader ahead of election
    Abdel Fattah al-Sisi led Egypt’s military coup, expects landslide victory
    Alastair Campbell, forced to quit No 10 over Iraq, has met officials
    Tony Blair applauded Sisi for overthrowing Muslim Brotherhood last year
    Sisi has been criticised for the deaths of more than 1,000 dissidentshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638470/Former-spin-doctor-Alastair-Campbell-meets-Egyptian-regime-blamed-1-000-deaths-weeks-Blair-gives-staunch-backing-coup-leader-ahead-election.html

    May 2014

  155. Love this

    “That awkward moment when your tabloid entrapment sting is instantly rumbled”

    https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/485727314526089217

    and this

    “Why punctuation matters” Clip from BBC

    http://digg.com/video/bbc-anchor-omits-a-somewhat-crucial-pause-in-his-opener

  156. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    7 Jul, 2014 - 11:56 am

    Nice catches, Dreoilin. Though I would like to think the serf who types the words into the autocue did that on purpose.

  157. Am fine but having small break till my level of disgust at the governing classes comes back down to bearable.

  158. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    7 Jul, 2014 - 12:11 pm

  159. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    7 Jul, 2014 - 12:20 pm

    This ain’t gonna improve it, Craig, sorry.

    Brittan’s hired Mishcon de Reya to minimise his bad publicity. Not yet rewritten is the true story that MdR acted for Geoffrey Archer, and got him half a million in libel damages (before Archer’s being jailed subsequently for perjury in the same case)

  160. Mishcon de Reya = Anthony Julius

    ‘What is his own relationship with Israel? “I don’t think there should be a liquidation of the diaspora, I don’t think Zionism is the only way for Jews to live, but I also admire much of what Israel has achieved. Mine has always been the classic leftist position: the two-state solution. I still think that is the only one that makes sense.” What about the settlements? Should they stop? “In a Palestinian state, I don’t think Jews should be expelled; they should be offered citizenship. In that context, I don’t think settlements make much of a difference, though I can see, from a Palestinian point of view, it must be intensely frustrating to find your opportunities for state-building to be constantly eroded by settlement building.”

    Julius’s eldest son has emigrated to Israel, where he did military service on the Lebanese border. Was this controversial? “No, not at all. I’m proud of him. I was sorry to see him go, of course; I would like all my children to be living next door.” He must have been worried. “Yes, I was worried. But on his gap year, my son went to the Kashmir border, utterly oblivious. That was more worrying. I don’t want to make light of what he’s done but it wasn’t politically controversial at all.” His voice softens. “On the contrary, I only honour him for it.”‘
    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2010/feb/07/anthony-julius-diana-dina-antisemitism

    Oh that old thing? The two state solution! OK. So join up all the tiny dots of what is left of Palestine as shown here and call it a state? Stop dissembling Mr Julius and six years further down the line, admit the realities.
    http://www.juancole.com/images-ext/2013/03/slights-palestinians-protests.jpg
    ~~~

    Deconstructing A Zionist: Anthony Julius
    by Gilad Atzmon / April 29th, 2008

    Anthony Julius is a prominent British lawyer and academic, best known for his actions on behalf of academic Nazi hunter Deborah Lipstadt. It was Julius who perpetrated the destruction of history revisionist David Irving’s career.

    However, Anthony Julius is far more than just an academic and a lawyer. He is also a devoted Zionist who has established a reputation for his opposition to ‘new anti-Semitism’. Adding to the list of his accomplishments, he is also a founding member of Engage, the notorious British Zionist smear operator. On top of that he is also founder member of the UK based Neo-con think tank known as the Euston Manifesto.

    /..

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/deconstructing-a-zionist-anthony-julius/

  161. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    7 Jul, 2014 - 1:18 pm

    Still, it’s a good day for burying news like this-

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/david-camerons-trade-deal-with-america-outrages-critics-9587168.html

    Which will adversely affect many more people, for far longer, than kiddy-fiddlers in government and the whitewash needed to paint them out of the picture.

    Bubbling under for a while, the main beneficiaries will obviously be multinationals and hedge funds. Here’s what the Con 2010 manifesto didn’t say about it and the Con 2014 manifesto hinted at indirectly in one line:

    https://usilive.org/tpp-ttip-corporate-coup/

  162. What is Gideon selling to India? Some neo liberal policies and some introductions to the purveyors?

    Osborne praises India’s Modi as he kicks off trade mission
    Chancellor, hoping to attract millions from Indian firms, says new PM has created ‘real excitement’ over hopes for reform
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/07/osborne-praises-modi-starts-indian-trade-mission

  163. I tried the Thistly Cross Cider at Eden Festival, then again at Kelburn……. Its now my favorite drink, so over the moon that it will be at Doune!!

  164. Business Questions

    David Amess (Southend West, Conservative)

    Will my right hon. Friend find time for a debate on the publication of the Chilcot report? As someone who attended the debate and changed my mind on how to vote because of what the then non-working-class Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair told the House of Commons, I think that it is essential that the Chilcot report is published as soon as possible without redactions so that the House can judge the veracity of what we were told on that momentous occasion.

    3 July 2014, c1084)

    Andrew Lansley (The Leader of the House of Commons ; South Cambridgeshire, Conservative)

    Those of us who did not support the invasion of Iraq in 2003 are as anxious as my hon. Friend to see the Chilcot report. In his letter of 28 May to the Cabinet Secretary, Sir John Chilcot said that it was the inquiry’s intention to submit its report to the Prime Minister as soon as possible. I can tell the House that it is the Prime Minister’s hope that it will be able to do so before the end of the year. The Government will not comment on the Iraq inquiry before the publication of the report.

    LOL

  165. Stay well Craig.

    Q Does Frazer work for the Halo Trust? Trouble with the charity.

    Halo Trust landmine charity suspends founder Guy Willoughby
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28176916

  166. Ba’al Zevul (Chimp Assassin): thanks for that link to the Independent article. A couple of juicy quotes:

    “The EU says the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership deal (TTIP) could increase the region’s GDP by 0.5 per cent by 2027″

    Well, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. Then there’s this:

    “Activists are especially concerned by proposals to allow multinationals to sue countries in international arbitration courts, bypassing the laws and policies of democratically elected governments”

    Call me a Little Englander but I don’t think that’s a very good idea.

  167. There was not much take up on 38 Degrees for action on TTIP. I think that people are not aware of the implications of TTIP. The You Tube contains good info.

    What is the Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4OQeekSD6s

    Secret EU-US Trade Deal
    May 15th, 2014
    http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2014/05/15/secret-eu-us-trade-deal/

    Don’t let corporations sue our government
    The Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership (TTIP) is a secretive trade deal between the EU and the US. If it goes through, corporations would be able to sue governments for putting people over profit.Write in to a consultation set up by the EU now and tell them not to let corporations sue the UK government under this deal.
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/tell-ttip-negotiators-not-to-let-corporations-sue-governments#petition

    Stop the British Government joining the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership
    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/stop-the-british-government-joining-the-transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnership

  168. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    7 Jul, 2014 - 4:00 pm

    If you look at the uslive link, MJ, you get the idea that no-one except the corporations does think it’s a very good idea. And that this sort of thing is being assiduously smuggled through the legislature there (and here – it’s what Eton Boi calls ‘reforming the EU’, while the initials TTIP as well as their origin in Atlantic Bridge neoconmanship are carefully avoided in public)

    Anyway, we could all do with some inspiration, I think. How about:

    You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.

    (Buckminster Fuller)

  169. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 4:12 pm

    From Craig

    “Am fine but having small break till my level of disgust at the governing classes comes back down to bearable.”
    _____________

    Which might explain why the blog, and certainly this thread, appears to have been taken over by Mary and Baal and turned into a kind of private chatroom*?

    (* not chatting to each other though, thanks to Habbabreak. LOL)

  170. That’s fine by me. Thought all the trolls had gone off on holiday!

    ~~~~~

    Israelis ‘Confess To Killing Palestinian Teen’
    A source close to the investigation says several suspects have confessed the brutal murder
    of a 16 year old Palestinian.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1296443/israelis-confess-to-killing-palestinian-teen

    I hope the Israeli suspects have not been ill treated or tortured like Palestinian prisoners.

  171. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 4:59 pm

    “That’s fine by me. Thought all the trolls had gone off on holiday!”
    ___________________

    You’re still here, arent’you? Or is someone standing in for you (a nègre, as it’s said in French literary circles!).

    Out of 175 comments on this thread (so far), a total of 66 – over a third – from just two people – you and Baal, with an increasing rate today. 41 from you and a “mere” 25 from Baal, with a certain focus from you on Israel/Palestine and a lot on Tony Blair from Baal. Every day, throughout the day.

    A couple of others not doing too badly, with Peacewisher and Calofirnia Ben getting a prize for effort (if not quality).

    A special mention of – and welcome to – our old friend Macky who has collected up all his toys in the pram again, regaineed his courage and returned from exile on Squonk to regale us with new insight, wit and wisdom. Or not, perhaps.

  172. “How to Make Friends and Influence People”. Sigh.

    Well I’m looking forward to the festival. I’ve a strong suspicion it’ll be a Habbabkuk-free zone.

  173. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 5:20 pm

    I haven’t of course forgotten Mr Scorgie, who has been maintaining a low profile doubtlessly in order to collect his “thoughts”. As at 11h17 today.

    “Theresa May is to outline plans for a “wide-ranging” inquiry, led by an expert panel, into historic child sex abuse claims…”

    I wonder who these “experts” will be. However:”

    ___________________

    A little patience, Doug, and all will be revealed! In the meantime, save energy by trying not to “wonder”.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “The inquiry would be held in public but evidence would not be given under oath.”

    So any contributors to the inquiry can lie through their teeth without any fear of being charged with perjury.

    Just like the Chilcot inquiry and just like the Hutton inquiry.~”

    ________________________

    Exactly like Chilcot and Hutton and exactly like most inquiries, in fact, where witnesses do not speak under oath,if you’d care to check (no, I shan’t do it for you, Doug!)

    And by the way: is it your opinion, Doug, that someone who is determined to lie and thinks he’s have a good chance of getting away with it, likely to be deterred by speaking under oath and thus being subject to a possible perjury charge (take any of the politicians appearing before Chilcot as examples if you wish)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.

    “Another whitewash in the making.”
    ________________

    You are jumping the gun again, Doug (although, as usual, leaving yourself a little escape hatch : “..in the making..”).

    **************************

    La vita è bella, life is good! Combat racism, sexism and intellectual dishonesty.

  174. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jul, 2014 - 5:43 pm

  175. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 6:01 pm

    A certain Lady Commenter o here has also been quite prolific on Squonk these last two days or so, engaging in a bit if a ding-dong with some one called “Phil” who accused her of conflating Jewishness with Zionism.

    The Lady Commenter sounded quite hurt and Clark did his usual hand-wringing bit, trying to pour water on troubled oiliness.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Still on Squonk, I may have most grievously under-estimated California Ben, who wrote the following words of eminent good sense:

    “I see blogs as a vent for frustration; a kind of release which when kept inside is sometimes toxic to ourselves.”

    Ball, Mary and various others, please note!

    ************************

    Invest in Israeli cutting-edge technology, make the world a better place!

  176. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    7 Jul, 2014 - 6:07 pm

    Beware, there’s a new disease. Are you infected? Do you know someone who is? Robert Fisk describes a full-page advertisement in the [Canadian] National Post, titled “Almost 4 million Canadians are afflicted by this disease.”

    “Beneath this title is a half-page, very blurred and uncaptioned colour photo of a large crowd.
    [snip]
    Beneath the picture, this incredible ad continues: “Left unchecked, it [the disease] can result in violence tendencies. Many times, those infected haven’t been diagnosed and may pass it on to their children, grandchildren, colleagues or friends. Please help stop the spread of this disease before it contaminates your community.”
    [snip]
    Could this refer to some of the six million Canadians who may be living with HIV/Aids? Or the 4.5 million Canadians affected by arthritis? Nope. This is far more serious. For the “disease” afflicting “almost 4 million Canadians” is “anti-Semitism”
    [snip]
    “At the first sign of anti-Semitism,” this appalling ad concludes, “call the B’nai Brith Canada Anti-Hate Hotline…”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/robert-fisk-how-on-earth-can-israel-tolerate-this-filth-from-bnai-brith-canada-9571043.html

  177. He/she can still count or perhaps he/she has learnt to ‘find’! Truly pathetic. Never tells us anything of course.

    41 pieces of information from me over 3 days pro rata does not seem particularly excessive.

    :)

  178. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    7 Jul, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    Fraser, good to hear that the Cider will lure you up there?

    @ Clark, I’m sure there will be an electronic habbagate installed at DTRH.

    Mark Regev is a fascist Goebbels who would paint Treblinka green to sell it as a Yad Vashem. I’m deliberately ignoring his tedious rants.

  179. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 7:00 pm

    “41 pieces of information from me over 3 days pro rata does not seem particularly excessive.”

    ______________________

    I like the “not PARTiCULARLY excessiven I really do! :) Could we just agree on “excessive”, then?

    I make that about 13 pieces of “information” a day, ie about 1 per hour. Like I said, “all day”.

    No wonder Ba’al Soup has Habba-breaked you! And you should Habba-break him!

  180. Another person here who displays his childishness for all to see.

    https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/486184432139632640

  181. Have to agree with the poster earlier, about the Festival entry costs. I was genuinely shocked, flabbergasted, obviously the exclusivity of the event, the high barrier, should keep the riff-raff out and attract the ‘right’ sorts. A Tory boy beano. To a person on JSA or ESA finding the funds to attend something like this is simply beyond the bounds of imagination or possibility. Social isolation, existing outside, excluded from their local and the greater community, is a major component of poverty’s consequences from which even if their financial situation were fortuitously miraculously improved, the harm can hardly be undone.

  182. Resident Dissident

    7 Jul, 2014 - 8:29 pm

    “Anthony Julius is a prominent British lawyer and academic, best known for his actions on behalf of academic Nazi hunter Deborah Lipstadt. It was Julius who perpetrated the destruction of history revisionist David Irving’s career.”

    Perhaps the poster might wish to say whether this is a good or bad think given she doesn’t want to be accused of conflating anti Zionism with anti Semitism.

  183. Is that think or thing? :)

    PS That was a quote btw. I did not write it or say it. Gilad Atzmon did. I expect you have heard of him. He is described as one of those self hating Jews.

  184. I have been re-reading Alice. It’s quite psychedelic.

    CHAPTER I

    Down the Rabbit-Hole
    https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rgs/alice-I.html

    Has anyone ever read The Annotated Alice? I have a copy somewhere.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Annotated_Alice

  185. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 8:55 pm

    “PS That was a quote btw. I did not write it or say it. Gilad Atzmon did.”
    ___________________

    Glad to see that the standard Mary ruse is still alive and well.

    “It wasn’t me wot said it gov, it woz that bloke over there!”

    Anyway, whoever wrote it, and since you quote it – answer Resident Dissident’s question: are you glad or unhappy that Julius destroyed Irving’s career?

  186. Just been looking at some crowd fund raising for a project. Found a couple of things of interest.

    There’s quite a bit going on for the Scottish independence Yes campaign. Nothing much going on for the No campaign. I guess they get their funds elsewhere.

    The most bizarre is crowd funding war. Really. You can apparently pay for bullets to be fired in Ukraine. It’s a mad mad world.

  187. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 8:58 pm

    And a question to you, Resident Dissident : what is your opinion on California Ben’s thought as expressed on Squonk, namely that

    “I see blogs as a vent for frustration; a kind of release which when kept inside is sometimes toxic to ourselves.” ?

    You may answer with specific reference to any poster that comes to mind. Or not.

  188. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 9:01 pm

    Phil

    “The most bizarre is crowd funding war. Really. You can apparently pay for bullets to be fired in Ukraine.”
    ________________

    Please tell me more, at first sight I find this a laudable initiative and may wish to contribute. Thanks.

  189. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 9:03 pm

    This drawer had too many rusty, blunt knives in it.

    So welcome back, Macky!

    PS – Dreoilin sends you her regards as well.

  190. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 9:07 pm

    Tony M

    “Social isolation, existing outside, excluded from their local and the greater community, is a major component of poverty’s consequences from which even if their financial situation were fortuitously miraculously improved, the harm can hardly be undone.”
    ___________________

    The “the harm can hardly be undone” seems a trifle melodramatic.

    What is your basis for saying that and is it a view shared widely by professionals?

  191. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 9:12 pm

    NebelMind

    “Mark Regev is a fascist Goebbels who would paint Treblinka green to sell it as a Yad Vashem. I’m deliberately ignoring his tedious rants.”
    __________________

    “fascist Goebbels” – ah, the pitfalls of tautilogy!

    Whereas it is true that there were many – indeed millions – of fascists who were not Goebbels, were there any contemporary Goebbels who were not fascist?

    Glad for any insight here, Nebel.

  192. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 9:12 pm

    or even tautology :)

  193. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jul, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    Many observations, comments, reactions and witticisms are classified as “puerile” or “juvenile” by Mary – until, that is, she decides to deploy them herself.

    (That was a very adult observation).

  194. Resident Dissident

    7 Jul, 2014 - 9:20 pm

    “PS That was a quote btw. I did not write it or say it.”

    But you did select it – from all the other things you might have chosen. Why was that?

    Were you venting your frustration?

    BTW Hope you noticed how welcoming the good people of Yorkshire were to your cycling friends – they even found them a few hills. Is cycling becoming the people’s sport?

  195. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jul, 2014 - 9:28 pm

    “Were you venting your frustration?”

    That’s a good question for your own self. Got ‘blockage’? I certainly feel your aggravation as you fail to get a foothold here. Or maybe that’s what turns your crank.

  196. Habbabreak! You know it makes sense

  197. You will make him cross getting that spot Afrend and we will probably have to call Sofia out.

    Funny how they arrive in pairs from nowhere after a longish gap.

  198. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jul, 2014 - 9:50 pm

    The coincidence is even more ‘funny’ since you disclosed reading about them in ‘Alice..’ Mary

    Tweedledum and Tweedldee.

  199. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jul, 2014 - 9:53 pm

    I knew I could find them on Youtube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksnloU_LXyU

  200. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    7 Jul, 2014 - 10:41 pm

    Resident Dissident (7 Jul, 2014 – 8:29 pm) asks whether it was a good or bad thing that David Irving’s career was destroyed. I’ll answer that. It was a bad thing. It was a very bad thing.

    Until he questioned aspects of the holocaust, he was a well-respected historian and regarded as an expert in the military and political history of World War II, and a specialist on Nazi Germany. Nobody questions the sincerity of his views. So why should an academic be persecuted for expressing his honestly-held opinion on a subject he is well qualified to discuss? Whether you agree or disagree with his views isn’t the point.

    His views are not racist. They do not incite violence. Why should he not be allowed to express them?
    What about you, Resident Dissident? Do you think it is a good thing when a person’s life is destroyed for disagreeing with the mainstream view. Can you cite any other example where a person’s honest disagreement on the interpretation of facts has been punished so harshly?

  201. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jul, 2014 - 10:49 pm

    A Node; Once you asked me not to interfere with the thread of a conversation. Now I’m asking you for a return of that favor.

    Your serious question is made to an unserious person.

  202. So why should an academic be persecuted for expressing his honestly-held opinion on a subject he is well qualified to discuss?

    For the same reason that a comedian is hounded and persecuted for an “inverse” (bizarre ain’t got a look in) nazi salute! For the same reason of forcing the closure of theatres to stop his sell out shows, and taking him to court. Accompanied with the usual medjia persecution to fanfare of nazi are back to invade the world (the other half which has not been invaded by the Muslim hoards).

    The extent of pernicious power is to a degree that no one dares to talk about it, and it is best to self censor and only hints at it are allowed.

  203. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    8 Jul, 2014 - 1:02 am

    Yes, Fedup, I’ve already crossed swords with Resident Dissident over Dieudonne. As I remember, I asked him which he thought was more important – that Dieudonne was speaking the truth when he claimed his country was controlled by Zionists or that his message might be claimed to be antisemitic. You can guess his answer. In fairness, he did concede during that same conversation that some people might sometimes use accusations of antisemitism to stifle legitimate debate.

    However, I believe the case of David Irving is even more clear-cut. It’s a simple matter of freedom of speech, and I’m interested to see whether RD is a free-speech denier.

  204. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    8 Jul, 2014 - 1:15 am

    Ben,

    Yes, I politely requested that that you don’t join in when I am engaged in a one-to-one with another poster. I often find your contributions confusing and on more than one occasion, you’ve let my opponent off the hook by providing a distraction. Frankly, I don’t know what to make of you, Ben. You often post interesting and useful stuff, but sometimes your language is so cryptic that I think it risks making the blog a laughing stock.

    This comment of yours to which I am replying (7 Jul, 2014 – 10:49 pm) is a case in point. I don’t understand it. Are you really asking me not to interfere in your conversation with RD, or are you joking? You don’t seem to be having a conversation with him – yes, you’re mocking him, fair enough, that’s your business, but I can’t see a conversation. I guess you’re joking, but in that case you’re doing just what I asked you not to do.

    I don’t think you mean any harm, and I think we’re on the same side, so let’s just agree that our writing styles are incompatible and do our own thing our own way. A mutual non-confusion pact.

  205. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 1:27 am

    Ditto; A Node. I find your contributions vague and inane, almost a cry for help. YIt’s not truly a hardship to avoid your conversations, but I thought you might have the courtesy to reciprocate on my ‘favor’ to you, as you clearly deemed. Perhaps if you find my comments cryptic you could get a decoder ring from the cerealbox you derive your platitudes from.

  206. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 1:45 am

    BTW; Whatever one-sided agreement we had is no longer valid.

  207. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    8 Jul, 2014 - 2:55 am

    I have examined this entire thread.

    RD has made 2 comments, neither of them to you.

    You have made two comments involving RD, one of them addressed to him about frustration (7 Jul, 2014 – 9:28 pm), and the other to Mary about him (7 Jul, 2014 – 9:50 pm). Therefore if you believe you were having a conversation with RD, it must have been the one involving frustration.
    You have accused me of interfering with the thread of that conversation. I did not. I did not refer to anything you said, and I did not refer to anything RD said which you were responding to. Furthermore I would not have interfered in that [literally] one-sided conversation. Your comment was puerile and pointless, why would I want to get involved with it? Let’s examine it:

    “That’s a good question for your own self. Got ‘blockage’? I certainly feel your aggravation as you fail to get a foothold here. Or maybe that’s what turns your crank.”

    You were referring to a question RD asked Mary, not you, so I’ve quoted your entire ‘conversation’. And you think I want to interfere with that? Not with a 10 foot bargepole. What I did do was take issue with the substance of RD’s comment – I engaged in rational debate with him. I shan’t explain what those words mean, suffice it to say it’s what the grown ups do.

    Thank you for graphically illustrating my claim about your confused thought processes. I tried to be polite, but your rudeness and hostility in response is all for the best. It means I am justified in ignoring you from now on.

    Starting ….. NOW.

  208. Good cop bad cop routine.

    Spotted long time.

  209. The Canadian B’Nai Brith need a serious reining in for producing this filth.

    ‘How On Earth Can Israel Tolerate This Filth From B’nai Brith Canada?
    Four million Canadians carrying the anti-Semitic ‘disease’? We’ve heard this kind of despicable propaganda before.

    By Robert Fisk

    July 01, 2014 “ICH” – “The Independent” – - Not long ago, I was handed the most outrageous, vile, dishonest and slanderous calumny uttered against the people of Canada. It was contained in a full-page advertisement in the National Post (founder, Conrad Black), a newspaper handed out – free, I’m happy to say – on my Air France flight out of Toronto. Here is the headline: “Almost 4 million Canadians are afflicted by this disease.”

    Beneath this title is a half-page, very blurred and uncaptioned colour photo of a large crowd – they could be football supporters, rush-hour commuters in Vancouver, you name it; they are mostly white males but include women and with at least one dark-skinned man close to the camera. Beneath the picture, this incredible ad continues: “Left unchecked, it [the disease] can result in violence tendencies. Many times, those infected haven’t been diagnosed and may pass it on to their children, grandchildren, colleagues or friends. Please help stop the spread of this disease before it contaminates your community.”
    This is frightening stuff, of course. Could this refer to some of the six million Canadians who may be living with HIV/Aids? Or the 4.5 million Canadians affected by arthritis? Or the 2.5 million Canadians believed to have diabetes? Or even some of the estimated 7.8 million Canadians treated for depression each year? Nope. This is far more serious. For the “disease” afflicting “almost 4 million Canadians” is “anti-Semitism” and this disgusting advertisement – published without comment by one of Canada’s leading right-wing newspapers – was produced by B’nai Brith Canada and the “Jewish Christian Alliance”.’
    /..
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38955.htm

    Robert Fisk went on to compare this outpouring to that produced by the Nazis.

    ‘But what, we have to ask, possesses Israel’s “friends” to publish this pernicious material about 4 million “diseased” Canadians? Does B’nai Brith Canada not realise that these very same despicable lies were used by the Nazis in their hate propaganda against the Jews of Europe? In Hitler’s Germany, Jews were described as microbes. Jews, according to Julius Streicher, were “the carriers of disease and vermin among men”. In August 1941, Goebbels called Jews “the carriers of infectious diseases” and two weeks later referred to Jews as “parasites”. By November, he was calling them “lice”.’

    ~~

    ‘B’nai B’rith International (English pronunciation: /bəˌneɪ ˈbrɪθ/, from Hebrew: בני ברית‎ b’né brit, “Children of the Covenant”),[1] is the oldest Jewish service organization in the world. B’nai B’rith states that it is committed to the security and continuity of the Jewish people and the State of Israel and combating antisemitism and bigotry. Its mission is to unite persons of the Jewish faith and to enhance Jewish identity through strengthening Jewish family life, to provide broad-based services for the benefit of senior citizens, and to facilitate advocacy and action on behalf of Jews throughout the world.

    Although the organization’s historic roots stem from a system of fraternal lodges[2] and units in the late 20th century,[3] as fraternal organizations declined throughout the United States, the organization evolved into a dual system of both lodges and units. The membership pattern became more common to other contemporary organizations of members affiliated by contribution in addition to formal dues paying members. In recent years, the organization reported more than 200,000 members and supporters in more than 50 countries and a budget of $14,000,000. Nearly 95% of the membership is in the United States.

    B’nai B’rith International is affiliated with the World Jewish Congress.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B'nai_B'rith

  210. BrianFujisan

    8 Jul, 2014 - 6:02 am

    Phil

    “The most bizarre is crowd funding war. Really. You can apparently pay for bullets to be fired in Ukraine.”
    ________________

    Please tell me more, at first sight I find this a laudable initiative and may wish to contribute. Thanks.

    Waiting to see Who Falls for it ..Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

  211. On the slideshow, the UK section have had a meeting at the FCO and a tour of the BBC. That fits.

    http://bnaibrithuk.org/

  212. To be accurate, it was the grandly titled BBLBIA who had a meeting at the FCO.

    http://bnaibrithuk.org/about-us/political-advocacy/
    B’nai B’rith London Bureau of International Affairs (BBLBIA)

  213. Monday, July 7, 2014
    Exclusive: Democracy Now! Goes Inside Embassy Refuge, Talks w/ Julian Assange About WikiLeaks, Snowden
    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/7/exclusive_inside_embassy_refuge_julian_assange

    Video 48 mins

    Part 2 on Wednesday

    FREE JULIAN ASSANGE. RESTORE HIS HUMAN RIGHTS. LET HIM BREATHE FRESH AIR AND FEEL THE WARMTH OF THE SUN ON HIS BACK. HIS INCARCERATION IS AN ABOMINATION.

  214. Is David Irving doing a reading at the Festival?

    If so ask him why he tried to use the UK law of libel to limit Deborah Lipstadt’s freedom of speech.

  215. An interesting snippet of info from the Democracy Now transcript.

    AMY GOODMAN: We’re right across from Harrods, the famous department store.
    JULIAN ASSANGE: There is, under the Freedom of—under, actually, the Data Protection Act, we filed a act against Harrods and got information out showing how Harrods were in fact assisting the police surveillance operation.
    AMY GOODMAN: How?
    JULIAN ASSANGE: By permitting the police to use various buildings and facilities that Harrods has, not just the formal building, but they have a number of buildings which face onto the embassy. Additionally, it might be something of interest that Harrods was bought out by the Qatar sovereign fund a while ago, so it is ultimately Qatar that is supporting the surveillance operation of this embassy through its collaboration with the British government.

    BOYCOTT QATARI OWNED HARRODS NOW.

  216. Fall guy for the FIFA crooks has collar felt.

    7 July 2014
    Fifa partner CEO Ray Whelan arrested over ticket scam
    Ray Whelan is escorted to a police station in Rio de Janeiro. Photo: 7 July 2014 Ray Whelan was arrested at Rio’s luxurious Copacabana Palace Hotel

    Fifa linked to Brazil ticket gang
    Police arrest World Cup ‘tout gang’
    Warning to fans over World Cup scams

    Brazilian police have arrested the chief executive of a Fifa partner company as part of investigations into the illegal sale of World Cup tickets.

    Ray Whelan from Match Hospitality was held at the Rio de Janeiro hotel where officials from the world’s football governing body were also staying.

    Last week, police held 11 people and broke up an international gang.

    They are accused of illegally reselling tickets, including some originally allocated to players.

    Police say the gang earned as much as $90m (£52m) per tournament and could have operated at four World Cups.

    The authorities believe some of the tickets were sold to foreign tourists.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-28205082

  217. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 7:45 am

    Bit of a falling-out between A Node and California Ben above, what? Always amusing to see two Eminences having a go at each other out of wounded vanity and over-self-consciousness!

    BTW, re David Irving and his “destroyed career”*, let it be noted that it was Irving who sought brought an action for libel against Deborah Lipstadt and the other way round. Like Oscar Wilde, Irving over-reached himself when trying to silence someone else.

    * (Baal-type footnote)I note that Mary, who started off this exchange, hasn’t had the guts to answer Resident Dissident’s question. What an armchair warrior, she daren’t even defend her own posts!

  218. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 7:48 am

    “Please tell me more, at first sight I find this a laudable initiative and may wish to contribute. Thanks.

    Waiting to see Who Falls for it ..Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !”
    _________________

    Yeah, sure, Fujisan, sure, it was just a trap, wasn’t it. Or not.

    A little like an Eminence coming out with a bit of moral filth and then saying “I was only joking”….

    Happens quite often on here.

  219. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 7:52 am

    “I have examined this entire thread….etc, etc, etc..”
    _______________

    And it kept you up until 3am, A Node? For God’s sake get a grip, man – have you nothing better to do with your life?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I don’t think you mean any harm, and I think we’re on the same side,…etc, etc”

    ______________________

    You certainly are – just like Laurel and Hardy :)

  220. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 7:57 am

    Funny how Eminences start quarreling amoung themselves (A Node/California Ben this time) in the absence of myself, Resident Dissident and a few others.

    And how, apart from that, the thread’s almost comatose until I and Resident Dissident and some others have occasion to join in the learned discussions.

    Use Habbabreak and go back to sleep – you know it’s the right thing to do!

    ____________________

    Buy jam from Israel, it’s the fruit that does it.

  221. On David Irving, I do not approve of his persecution, on free speech grounds. But having actually read some of his earlier books, including his life of Rommel, I think he always appears to have had a dangerous attraction to Nazi Germany. That sympathy led him to fall below standards of academic rigour.

    Whatever one thinks of present day Israel, to deny the massive scale of organised extermination of Jews (and other groups) by the Nazis is ridiculous – and almost always motivated by anti-Semitism.

  222. Some interesting reporting in the US over the beating of the 15 year old;

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/unprecedented-palestinian-experience.html

    Israelis are very very slow learners, heavy-handiness always rebounds.

  223. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    8 Jul, 2014 - 8:32 am

    Poster Formerly Known as ANode -

    Thanks for the B’nai Brith ad. There is one group of people on Earth you are not even allowed to think about disliking, and their self-appointed voice makes itself, and them, as dislikeable as it possibly can. No wonder the frustration boils over from time to time.

  224. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    8 Jul, 2014 - 9:02 am

    Fascist race-hater distances self from Likud (but remains close to Likud):

    http://yalibnan.com/2014/07/07/israeli-fm-lieberman-ends-union-netanyahus-likud/

  225. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    8 Jul, 2014 - 9:11 am

    Testing (removed comment):

    Comparing the (unequivocal) B’nai Brith equation of antisemitism with disease, with Goebbels’ equation of Judaism with disease; does this itself constitute antisemitism in your view? I’d like to know, for future reference.

  226. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 9:16 am

    Craig

    “On David Irving, I do not approve of his persecution, on free speech grounds. But having actually read some of his earlier books, including his life of Rommel, I think he always appears to have had a dangerous attraction to Nazi Germany. That sympathy led him to fall below standards of academic rigour.”
    ____________________

    I broadly agree with that. Just three points:

    1/. Not sure that he’s being “persecuted” and would welcome detail for that suggestion. It is true that he was barred from entering Germany and is barred from entering Canada and Australia, but I’m not sure if that amounts to “persecution” for a historian/writer/polemicist. The recent court case was brought by Irving in response to a book by a minor American academic which would have sold few copies (at least in the UK) and would soon have disappeared into the morass of holocaust literature, and was Irving’s own “Oscar Wilde moment”.

    2/. The evidence brought by expert witnesses (including Richard Evans) at the Lipstadt trial demonstrated quite clearly that your point about Irving’s lack of academic rigour is correct. And it is not the first time: as another example, Irving’s contention (cf “Uprising-One nation’s nightmare: Hungary 1956″)that the Hungarian AVO (secret police) was largely run and staffed by Jews has been shown (cf Anne Applebaum i.a.) to be incorrect.

    3/. Having read some of Irving’s work, I should make a point which isn’t often made – because the argument always gravitates around question of academic rigour, or intention. That point is that he is simply not a very good writer and that his style (nothing to do with content)is not pleasing.

  227. http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/doune-the-rabbit-hole-2/comment-page-2/#comment-465145

    As the troll knows, I do not respond to interrogative questions from trolls designed only to stir up trouble.

  228. Interesting that the ex nightclub bouncer Lieberman has broken with Netanyahu’s Likud for not being tough enough on the Hamas.

    Only the other day Avigdor was calling for the killing of an Arab Israeli MK! He’s tough!

    Israelis call for Arab member of Israeli parliament to be killed
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12504-israelis-call-for-arab-member-of-israeli-parliament-to-be-killed

    Elsewhere

    Arafat case may prove another huge judicial blow for Israel
    As Israel tries to cope with the fallout from the sadistic murder of a young Palestinian, there is an allegedly unlawful killing threatening to cause it even greater problems. France has effectively re-opened the investigation into the 2004 death of Yasser Arafat, arguably the most internationally famous Palestinian of the last few decades, and a Nobel Prize winning peace maker.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12607-arafat-case-may-prove-another-huge-judicial-blow-for-israel

  229. Habbabkuk, 9:16 am:

    “Not sure that he’s being “persecuted” and would welcome detail for that suggestion”

    More that he was being persecuted, I’d say. Irving was also imprisoned in Austria; he was sentenced to three years of which he served one.

    While reading about Irving last night I found that it was he who popularised the “100,000 to 250,000 were killed by the British bombing of Dresden” legend.

  230. I am unlike Habbabkuk (who seems to have made a deep study of Irving’s and Lipstadt’s writing) in that I have read none of their books.

    ~~~

    Who’s have thunk it? There is nothing new under the sun.

    57 Years Ago: U.S. and Britain Approved Use of Islamic Extremists to Topple Syrian Government
    July 07, 2014

    Have the U.S. and Its Allies Intentionally Balkanized Syria Into Smaller Regions?

    BBC reports that – in 1957 – the British and American leaders approved the use of Islamic extremists and false flag attacks to topple the Syrian government:

    Nearly 50 years before the war in Iraq, Britain and America sought a secretive “regime change” in another Arab country… by planning the invasion of Syria and the assassination of leading figures.

    Newly discovered documents show how in 1957 [former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom] Harold Macmillan and President Dwight Eisenhower approved a CIA-MI6 plan to stage fake border incidents as an excuse for an invasion by Syria’s pro-western neighbours, and then to “eliminate” the most influential triumvirate in Damascus.

    Although historians know that intelligence services had sought to topple the Syrian regime in the autumn of 1957, this is the first time any document has been found showing that the assassination of three leading figures was at the heart of the scheme. In the document drawn up by a top secret and high-level working group that met in Washington in September 1957, Mr Macmillan and President Eisenhower were left in no doubt about the need to assassinate the top men in Damascus.

    Mr Macmillan ordered the plan withheld even from British chiefs of staff, because of their tendency “to chatter”.

    /..
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/57-years-ago-u-s-and-britain-approved-use-of-islamic-extremists-to-topple-syrian-government/5390279

  231. BBC reports that – in 1957 – the British and American leaders approved the use of Islamic extremists and false flag attacks to topple the Syrian government:

    Very interesting. How did the UK and the US “approve the use of Islamic extremists” when officially, there were none under their command?

    As then, so now, I strongly suspect.

  232. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:24 am

    Mary

    “I am unlike Habbabkuk (who seems to have made a deep study of Irving’s and Lipstadt’s writing) in that I have read none of their books.”
    ___________________

    Nothing like flagging one’s ignorance with pride, eh, Mary?

    And not that that ignorance stops you from posting on about matters Jewish, anti-Semotoc, “fascist”, Nazi and so on. But hey, I forgot, it’s not you saying anything is it, it’s always someone else (cf. posts passim)!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Interesting how the usual suspects, always ready to pile into everything and everyone, are keeping very quiet about David Irving….except to defend him.

  233. “Islamic extremists” take note – if you think your orders come from God, think again.

  234. Whenever I read of yet another Zionist finally seeing the light, I always wonder how on earth it took them so long, it’s not as if these latest killings are worst than Cast Lead or the regular turkey shoots of Lebanese civilians, etc, bloody etc;

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/06/1311721/-As-a-Jew-living-in-America-the-past-week-has-changed-me-forever#

  235. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:30 am

    OT – Turdney picked up his monthly paycheck from Zurich Insurance yesterday. In person. There and back, no doubt with entourage, on faithful old £7000 an hour G-CEYL.

  236. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:36 am

    Radio 5 was on in the kitchen while I was in another room. I became aware that someone was justifying Israel’s military strikes on Gaza by referring to rocket strikes. This person, perhaps Israel’s ambassador, was explaining at great length how patiently Israel had borne these attacks and how it much regretted having to retaliate with air strikes. Then, I’m almost certain, Nicky Campbell responded by saying “has it occurred to you Hamas are deliberately doing it to provoke Israel into attacking Gaza.” The interviewee agreed he had wondered about that and the interview then ended with neither of them speculating on why Hamas might want such a thing.

    There doesn’t seem to be a listen again feature for Radio 5. Can anybody confirm what I thought I heard

  237. BrianFujisan

    I don’t really understand what you are saying in your comment Brian. To be clear I wasn’t commenting about the cause of this group of fighters.

    True or hoax, I was only saying this campaign signposts a potential internet phenomena:

    The crowd funding of war*.

    Want to give more than your opinion? Perfect for comfy internet warriors on the other side of the planet.

    I find this an interesting observation. Seems like I’m on my own here.

    Of course everyone here is yet again bickering about Irving, Zionism, Nazis. Again. How many times?

    This whole evil Jew cult running the world nonsense is an obsession almost certainly encouraged by people at Langley.

    * The campaign seems to have been removed. It was fund raising for “food and ammunition” for a group of fighters in Ukraine.

  238. Sorry the Ukrainian fighters campaign is still online:

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ukraine-fighters-need-food-and-ammunition

  239. I can’t imagine the Ukrainian fighters campaign staying up long though. The Indiegogo TOS includes that campaigns must not “cause harm to people or property, or to scam other Users”.

  240. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    8 Jul, 2014 - 11:17 am

    Dearlove says terrorist threat to UK blown out of proportion by the media (and he would probably know):

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/07/islamist-terror-threat-out-proportion-former-mi6-chief-richard-dearlove

    Would have put up the Mail’s version of the same story, but unfortunately it’s peppered with irrelevant images of Middle Eastern fear-figures and explosions, so I guess….case proved.

  241. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    8 Jul, 2014 - 11:25 am

     Phil 8 Jul, 2014 – 10:45 am

    “This whole evil Jew cult running the world nonsense is an obsession almost certainly encouraged by people at Langley.?”

    Whilst I don’t totally dismiss this idea, how would you explain the seeming influence of Jews before the creation of the CIA in 1947. For example, in 1896 Theodor Herzl had enough confidence in the power of international Jewry to call for the creation of a Zionist state, resulting in the Balfour Declaration of 1926.

     I certainly believe that it is in the interests of the CIA and other Western powers to support Zionism, but who is pulling who’s strings is not clear to me. The end result is that the vast majority of us, Jews and non Jews, are pawns in a game plan.


  242. Phil, I also find crowd-funding of a fighting group remarkable. Thanks for pointing it out; I just had nothing further to add. It reminds me of the “Eye Need” column at the back of Private Eye, I think.

    The “whole evil Jew cult running the world nonsense” phenomena seems a predictable reaction to pro-Israeli propaganda and disproportionate Israeli political influence – so yes, “…encouraged by people at Langley”.

  243. Node, 11:25 am

    “…but who is pulling who’s strings is not clear to me”

    It’s not clear to anyone else, either, including those who think they know which strings they’re pulling. The universe is not a tidy place where things happen for reasons that are easily comprehended within a human mind. Why things happened as they did is often not known until later, if ever. But I reckon a lot of it is just down to convergence of interests, who knows who, and who speaks which languages.

  244. The Balfour Declaration dates from 1917, not 1926. It’s really just a brief letter. The Balfour Note would be more accurate. Its full text is as follows:

    His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

    Although it comprises only a single sentence, it is waved around most triumphantly by those with a woefully poor attention span who can’t make it past the second comma.

  245. Node

    Come on. I didn’t say the CIA invented the Jews. Yes the Jews did exist and had a reputation before the CIA. I am suggesting that the CIA encourage bullshit ideas (all the better if building on age old bigotry) to create diversion and cause division that sustain the murderous system.

  246. Your compassion is partial. When did anyone here last say a word about the Congo or Western Sahara? Not incidentally, when did the state-corporate media last say a word about the Congo or Western Sahara?

    Perhaps you are manipulated to have an unhealthy obsession that militantly prioritises the Middle East.

  247. Phil; “an obsession almost certainly encouraged by people at Langley”

    No doubt, just like the “Communist Threat” was used for decades as a convenient ploy by the Western PTB, for their ulterior agendas; this doesn’t alter the fact that ramifications surrounding the I/P issue, corrupts & permeates almost everything of importance that happens in the World, so to stick your head in the sand by turning a blind eye to it doesn’t seem like a sensible option if you really want to understand what & why things happen as they do.

    Take your Ukrainian crowd funding discovery, and imagine if it was headed slightly different, as so;

    STOP THE ISRAELI GENOCIDE IN PALESTINE! HELP THE PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS AND FIGHTERS IN THIS FIGHT!

    We all know that everybody associated with such an appeal, as well as everybody who actually contributed, would be charged with “Sponsoring Terrorism”, at the very least!

    So does not following your blind eye approach, mean that such double standards should not be questioned, just merely accepted ?

    (Interesting to see that as you have posted that Ukraine Appeal here, if any of the resident Russophobes will be tempted to add to the zero balance so far !)

    “an unhealthy obsession that militantly prioritises the Middle East”

    No, it’s OUR Governments that have this obsession, and for more than one reason; as for other issues such as the Congo or Western Sahara, etc, I can’t do better than Chomsky’s own reply on this very point;

    http://noam-chomsky.tumblr.com/post/17547861328/my-own-concern-is-primarily-the-terror-and

  248. Former Chancellor Alastair Darling augurs that Scotland needs some big surprise to get over its independence fancies!

  249. Macky

    Yes, the Israeli state is bad and has influence disproportionate to it’s size. I am not sure why you are stressing this so.

    The Chmosky quote you linked to suggests you seem to think the misery of Africa has nothing to do with “us”.

    The system and forces that cause conflict in Palestine are the same as those which cause conflict in Congo. Basically they both boil down to international capital (mostly US/EU) funded proxy armies causing division to control resources and make profit.

    If indeed “we” are culpable (even this attribution of our collective guilt is a manipulation), “we” are culpable for the misery in the Congo and we are culpable for the misery in Palestine. Why are you exclusively obsessed with one?

  250. Clark; “But I reckon a lot of it is just down to convergence of interests, who knows who, and who speaks which languages”

    Sounds a bit like a Conspiracy Theory to me ! Almost a “Cult” like fraternity of shared vested interests, such as money, power, land, resources, prejudices, etc ! :D

  251. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    8 Jul, 2014 - 1:15 pm

    RD diverts (earlier): Is cycling becoming the people’s sport?

    Only in the sense that the Shand-Kydd gel was the peoples’ princess, RD. That is, obsessive media hype shoves every important item (and clandestine policy) off the front pages of all media everywhere. The time BBC R4 alone has devoted to this bunch of sweating Lycra-coated twats is astonishing. Much of it during news programmes.

    Message to all media from this litre-bike rider – who is trying to avoid the Bradley Wiggins wannabe who has wobbled into his path, both hands off the bars, texting (probably some other pushbiker, maybe obtaining a race commentary from Yorkshire) and oblivious to all else: -
    IT’S NOT BIG, IT’S NOT CLEVER AND IT’S NOT EXPLETIVE NEWS.

    Er, Captcha…when you ask me to solve x-2=5, what are your grounds for rejecting 7? Are we working in base 6? Or should I have included Planck’s constant in my working?

  252. “when you ask me to solve x-2=5, what are your grounds for rejecting 7?”

    I’m surprised to hear it was rejected because I’ve found that I can enter any number, right or wrong, as the answer and my post still gets accepted.

    “Are we working in base 6?”

    Did you try 11?

  253. “Er, Captcha…when you ask me to solve x-2=5, what are your grounds for rejecting 7? Are we working in base 6? Or should I have included Planck’s constant in my working?”

    On the grounds that you had left the blog page open for too long without inputting anything to the text window. After a certain amount of time (my creators did not include the exact amount in my programming), I cease to function correctly on a given page and it is necessary for the user [you] to create a new instance of me by hitting [F5].

  254. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    8 Jul, 2014 - 1:50 pm

    On the grounds that you had left the blog page open for too long without inputting anything to the text window. After a certain amount of time (my creators did not include the exact amount in my programming), I cease to function correctly on a given page and it is necessary for the user [you] to create a new instance of me by hitting [F5].

    Thanks, Captcha. But, on that comment, I barely paused. On others, which accept the correct answer, I frequently divert to another page for some time in the process of composing my deathless insights. The timeout would seem to be highly variable.

  255. YouKnowMyName

    8 Jul, 2014 - 2:00 pm

    as an internet user since 1984 (true!) I’m surprised when I come across an actual re-write of history. Admittedly this history is just from last-week, and it is a sensitive part of the current Information-War. I post this not to promote one side or the other, just to highlight that any story that you read might change radically the next time that you access it – was the DailyMail hacked to produce such an article, was the DM editor asleep, were the nice folks at the DA-committee at lunch??

    reference link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2677613/American-military-advisers-masterminding-Ukraines-surge-against-pro-Russian-separatists-bid-expand-Nato-east.html

    strangely, the article html link mentions American advisers – but the actual article doesn’t!

    lets shout out the html link

    AMERICAN MILITARY ADVISERS MASTERMINDING UKRAINES SURGE AGAINST PRO-RUSSIAN-SEPARATISTS BID EXPAND NATO EAST.HTML

    BUT THE CURRENT PAGE HAS NO “AMERICANS” , NO “ADVISERS” – lots of sad pictures of bombing

    the DM page that we can see at the link now is timed at 20:43 on 2nd July 2014, whilst the original page was written 12 hours before that, and probably contained this text – found elsewhere on the internet – which directly references this above Daily Mail link

    “America is masterminding Ukraine’s military surge against pro-Russian separatists in a bid to expand Nato further east, it was today claimed. Military advisers have flooded into the country and are now embedded with Kiev’s forces, according to one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top security experts. They are reportedly attempting to crush insurgents in a game-changing move, which involves encouraging Ukraine to join Nato in a threat to Russian interests. ‘It is quite apparent that this is one of the goals,’ said Russian Deputy Security Council Secretary, Yevgeny Lukyanov. Speaking after a meeting with the Kremlin leader, Mr Lukyanov alleged that U.S. mercenary fighters are also on the ground in Ukraine. “

    Why would the Daily-Mail remove this paragraph? it seems to add to the debate.

    another version of this text referencing the DM link

    “- Advisers are embedded with Kiev’s forces, claims Moscow security expert
    – They are ‘masterminding Ukraine’s surge against pro-Russian separatists’
    – Also reportedly encouraging the country to join Nato in threat to Russia
    – Yevegeny Lukyanov made comments following meeting with Vladimir Putin
    – Today, Ukraine is continuing ‘massive artillery and air offensive’ on rebels
    – It comes amid unconfirmed claims of heavy casualties among insurgents

    America is masterminding Ukraine’s military surge against pro-Russian separatists in a bid to expand Nato further east, it was today claimed. Military advisers have flooded into the country and are now embedded with Kiev’s forces, according to one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top security experts.They are reportedly attempting to crush insurgents in a game-changing move, which involves encouraging Ukraine to join Nato in a threat to Russian interests.”

    Yet another version online aimed at the same DM link

    “Advisers are embedded with Kiev’s forces, claims Moscow security expert. In Donetsk, the capital of Ukraine’s eastern industrial heartland, streets were deserted and gunfire filled the air yesterday as rebels besieged the Interior Ministry building. The rebels eventually captured the compound, leaving the body of a undercover police officer on the street outside.”

    now, none of these paragraphs are in the DM story, there is no explanation of the difference, no previous versions available at the DM website. Does anyone know the back-story to the “AMERICAN ADVISER” html link?
    presumably this was the actual physical DM printed newspaper story last Wednesday? Fish n’ Chip wrapping by Thursday… it seems

    Does the same happen with our other favourite online news stories?
    Will Minitrue be active in the Scottish events?

  256. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    8 Jul, 2014 - 2:02 pm

    Phil

    “Come on. I didn’t say the CIA invented the Jews. Yes the Jews did exist and had a reputation before the CIA. I am suggesting that the CIA encourage bullshit ideas (all the better if building on age old bigotry) to create diversion and cause division that sustain the murderous system.”

     I didn’t mean to imply anything simplistic on your part. I even said I don’t rule out the idea that the evil-zionists-dominate-the-world scenario could be a front to deflect enquiries from a higher controlling level. I am pointing out that Zionism seems to have had the power to manipulate international situations long before the creation of the CIA, therefore there are difficulties in understanding how the CIA could have gained supremacy over it.

     I think Clark’s explanation is the most useful – there are no clear-cut lines. If, for example, elements of the CIA are zionist-controlled, what does it mean to say that the CIA are manipulating public perceptions of Zionism?

  257. “Thanks, Captcha. But, on that comment, I barely paused. On others, which accept the correct answer, I frequently divert to another page for some time in the process of composing my deathless insights. The timeout would seem to be highly variable.”

    This may be why my programmers didn’t include the exact expiry duration in my knowledge base – perhaps they didn’t know either. I have consulted with all my other instances and we collectively speculate that there may be some other factor at play, perhaps some cycle of our server, that influences whether we need to be refreshed or not.

  258. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    8 Jul, 2014 - 2:21 pm

    @YouKnowMyName

    Mary sometimes reference a website which documents various versions of media stories as they are updated. I can’t remember the name of it, but I’m sure someone here can post it faster than I can track it down.

  259. Node, it’s News Sniffer.

  260. Not only are there no clear-cut lines, some players jump each side of what lines exist to play any side off against any other. I dread to think what outsourcing has done to secret services everywhere. Murdoch supports Israel, but does anyone believe he ultimately serves any interests but his own? And all down every communicational line, parties are distorting, suppressing or exaggerating information in what they believe to be their own interests. People act on such information (often by reacting against the way they think it’s biased), and the results don’t make sense; quelle surprise!

  261. Never mind yesteryears Nazis, the modern-day equivalent are on the march in Europe and seem to have the core of the EU behind them, using them as a shield.
    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.fr/2014/07/the-german-government-is-acting-on-its.html

    I think the EU is hopelessly broken, whatevers ideals there might have been trumpeted and idealists sucked in and carried along, the US and NATO and some EU members have discarded them and have destroyed the EU that was, not entirely a bad thing, as the EU never was more than a political and social cover military and economic subjugation and control.

    My view is that the original Nazi regime’s enemy was not the Communist regime in Russia, and the Communist regime’s enemy was not German Nazism. Both of their enemy’s were one and the same: the mass of the Russian peoples and German peoples, between them culled by around 40 millions, who were a threat not to each other, but to their ‘own’ totalitarian regimes in Berlin and Moscow.

  262. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    8 Jul, 2014 - 2:37 pm

    YouKnowMyName -

    Granted, the Mail story could have been redacted because it was true, and someone leaned on Dacre to remove it in the, er, interests of hard-working families national security. Or it could have been pure fantasy – Russian propaganda – and removed because it wasn’t true.

    And no-one can objectively say which.

  263. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 2:39 pm

    A Node @ 2;55;

    Thanks for the astute analysis, including verbose minutiae, illustrating how adept you are at missing the point.

  264. ————·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node (8 Jul, 2014 – 2:02 pm) wrote:

    “I am pointing out that Zionism seems to have had the power to manipulate international situations long before the creation of the CIA, therefore there are difficulties in understanding how the CIA could have gained supremacy over it.”

    An early example is given from 1917 in the Kurdistan thread:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/kurdistan/#comment-464761

    “[...] would have given Sykes and Picot a far larger canvas, a real fear which could explain Turkey’s desire to concede the peculiar allied designs on Palestine, an allied obsession which had calamitous side-effects in France and could have cost and lost them the entire war.”

  265. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 2:53 pm

    Hanging in the balance; NATO health and the West’s answer to BRICS. It’s a big deal. No doubt about it.
    http://rt.com/news/170868-merkel-spy-scandal-serious/

    “Washington has not yet commented on the matter, however.

    Despite the uproar the double agent scandal has caused among German politicians, the government in Berlin has been quick to assure Washington that the issue will not affect ongoing talks on a free trade deal between the European Union and United States.

    “The Americans are important partners for Germany including of course in economic terms, so the TTIP (Translatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) talks … are not in question or in doubt,” government spokeswoman Christiane Wirtz said, Reuters reported.

  266. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    Repeating an earlier inquiry; Where is John Goss and Mark Golding?

  267. Things in Israel are rotten to his core. Dr Yehuda Hiss’s version of the truth here. And he has a history including the stealing of body parts from the deceased.

    Arafat Jaradat and the man behind his autopsy
    Jessica Purkiss
    Wednesday, 02 July 2014 https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12507-arafat-jaradat-and-the-man-behind-his-autopsy

    RIP Arafat Jaradat.
    ‘He was strong and athletic. He hadn’t been ill a day in his life. He was a third year Al-Quds Open University student.

    He didn’t resist arrest. Neighbors said soldiers beat him anyway. They heard him scream. Days later, his family learned he was dead. He’s Palestine’s latest martyr.’
    http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2013/03/04/whitewashing-israeli-murder-by-torture-by-stephen-lendman/

  268. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 3:20 pm

    For those who think nukes are indispensable and solar/wind not sustainable….

    http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=12075

    “SINCLAIR: And that’s why that day, the actual prices for electricity on the German grid went to negative, ’cause the electricity was free.

    WORONCZUK: So, Peter, this sounds pretty incredible. Energy prices apparently went negative. Tell us how Germany got to this point.

    SINCLAIR: Well, Germany actually was kind of sparked by the United States. And this was some 30 some years ago, back in the Carter administration, when this country really started devoting a lot of money to developing renewable energy. And many people in Germany, for a number of reasons, found this to be very compelling.
    The difference is they got started on it, took our lead, and they didn’t stop. Here in the U.S., during the Reagan administration, investment in renewables plummeted, and it’s taken us a long time to rebuild from that. But Germany started putting a number of policies in place at that time. And then in the recent decade or so most especially, they put into place what they called a feed-in tariff, which is a program of compensating people for installing renewable energy–small businesses, individuals, farmers, co-ops. And the program has been far more successful than anyone would have predicted in the early days. And so it has brought a torrent of renewable energy onto the German system that has–as you say, on some days, there’s so much energy coming in that electric prices go negative in Germany.

  269. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    8 Jul, 2014 - 3:23 pm

    No luck with News Sniffer if I’m using it correctly.
    “AMERICAN MILITARY ADVISERS UKRAINE” returns 37 results, none of them relevant.

  270. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    It’s quite a list….more here. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/07/08-2

    “Years since Israel allowed Palestinians of Gaza to export what they produce: 7

    Unemployment in Gaza as a result of Israeli blockade on civilians: 38.5%

    Estimated unemployment rate in US during the Great Depression: 25%

    Percentage of children in Gaza suffering from acute malnutrition: 13.2%

    Rate of anemia in Palestinian Children in Gaza: 18.9%

    Percentage of water in Gaza that is potable: 10%

    Years, according the the UN, before Gaza becomes “uninhabitable”: 6

  271. Phil; “Yes, the Israeli state is bad and has influence disproportionate to its size. I am not sure why you are stressing this so.”

    Err, because you accuse people of being “obsessed” about it !

    Phil; “The Chmosky quote you linked to suggests you seem to think the misery of Africa has nothing to do with “us”.

    It doesn’t actually, but nevermind.

    Phil; “The system and forces that cause conflict in Palestine are the same as those which cause conflict in Congo. Basically they both boil down to international capital (mostly US/EU) funded proxy armies causing division to control resources and make profit”

    Don’t think you will get many takers agreeing with that comparison !

    Phil; “If indeed “we” are culpable (even this attribution of our collective guilt is a manipulation), “we” are culpable for the misery in the Congo and we are culpable for the misery in Palestine. Why are you exclusively obsessed with one?”

    Firstly, I am not exclusively obsessed with I/P as you well know re for example our not so ancient ding-dongs over Ukraine ; secondly, I/P is always in our face virtual of the never-ending horror stories/headlines, and has been so for decades now; thirdly I/P repercussions subvert our own domestic politics; fourthly the I/P is a clear cut case of ethnic cleansing & colonization that could be made to stop overnight if the Western governments withdrew all support & forced it to negociate in good faith, whereas most other conflicts are not so clear cut & without such an obvious cure.

    Why, especially as an apparent Palestinaian Supporter, are you so concerned that some people are focused on the achieveable objective of ending the misery of the I/P ? Were you so equally critical of those engaged in the struggle against Apartheid, do you criticise Feminists or LGBT for being so “obsessed”, and for not campaigning to end the strife in the Congo ?!

  272. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 3:36 pm

    Phil; Don’t be discouraged by my bad example (referencing another conversation)

    You WILL be tested. :)

  273. Brig. Gen. Michael Herzog said on Radio 4 Today that Israel deems a war on Gaza, killing hundreds of Palestinians (like Operation Cast Lead) is worth it if it leads to a period of “quiet” for the Israeli population.

    Why was he not asked by Mishal Husain why, during the “period of quiet”, Israel is still dissatisfied and continues:

    building settlements on stolen Palestinian land
    demolishing Palestinian homes and infrastructure
    uprooting orchards and olive trees
    denying human rights, residence and building permits to Palestinians
    abducting and arresting Palestinian minors
    depriving Gaza of water, electricity and access to food and medical supplies

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b048l0g1 1hr 34mins in

    Why was he also not asked if these acts are a deliberate provocation to increase the suffering of Palestinians until their anger, frustration and despair boil over into missile attacks, giving Israel a new pretext to inflict even greater harm on the population?

  274. This is the closest I have heard to the truth for many years:

    http://counterinformation.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/obama-regimes-support-of-al-qaeda-and-isis/

  275. “Spirit of Gordon”
    Encrypted Communique 4395444xge566

    Crew. How do you expect me to drive this thing with you all bickering in the back?

    Mary.
    5 Jul, 2014 – 10:46 am

    Thanks for the video link. Was that a veiled hint that you don’t like your turquoise sequined uniform? Well all I can say is, I haven’t heard any other crew members complain. So, if it’s good enough for Ba’al I reckon it’s good enough for you too.

    While the crew’s attention has been taken up with fixing the improbability drive, all the while thinking Dad was safely isolated in the recycling bay, he was busy spinning a cocoon from old plastic bags. Now he(?) has metamorphosed and is swimming around in the sewage processing lagoon and producing tons of what looks like giant frogspawn. Also I think the green tendrils that our new crew-member Afriend removed from the fibre-optic system may explain this morning’s outbursts.

    Finally, a tip for those of you who like a flutter. Our communications team are pretty sure the Vogons have paid for both the ref and the TV cameras to cast a blind eye on the new Brazilian plan to field a two Ukie Naz Guard APCs on the wings. If this intelligence is correct and so long as they don’t mistake the rest of the team for unarmed civilians this probably will give them an advantage and the change in tactics will be barely noticeable. So go and place your bets before the bookies get wind of it.

    Before I get too carried away, spare a thought for the latest victims of Euro-Fascism 2.0

    http://rt.com/news/171216-ukraine-east-military-operation/

  276. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    Mary

    Why don’t you write to the BBC and then give us its answer, rather than rhetorically blowing off on here yet again?

    *****************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  277. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 3:56 pm

    I see that no post from the Celtic Poetaster is complete without a link to Russia Today :)

  278. You could not imagine anyone endowed with such physical beauty as Ms Shaked being so hate filled as to demand the genocide of the Palestinians and to meet with such huge approval.

    Israeli lawmaker’s call for genocide of Palestinians gets thousands of Facebook likes
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-lawmakers-call-genocide-palestinians-gets-thousands-facebook-likes

  279. Node
    “…therefore there are difficulties in understanding how the CIA could have gained supremacy over it.”

    Why are there difficulties? Even accepting the highly contentious premise that Zionism was ever an idea comparable to empire your incredulity that it was usurped by a new power seems at odds with how the world works. Power shifts.

    That which ails us is right in view. In our palaces and wars, in our shops and wage slips, in our stupidity. Secret world dominating cults from another place are not needed to explain the misery. We are the friggin misery. Sure cults exist and Israel exercises great influence but as part of a wider system, they are not the dog.

  280. @Phil, oh dear, seems like you better take a closer look at the Israeli connection if you want to better understand the root cause of most of the conflict in the Congo, hint whose’s the biggest dealer in the “Blood Diamond” trade;

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.fr/2005/04/congo-and-israel.html

  281. Macky,

    Yes I do think identity politics is also encouraged by the bad guys as a diversion and to create division. Of course this does not mean I am not a feminist or anti racist.

    Yes I did misuse the word “exclusively”. But there is a clear focus here on Israel, the Middle East and Jewishness at the expense of many, many other issues. I suggest we pursue an agenda all too easily set by the corporate state media. We disagree with the corporate state but they set the agenda. This is to our detriment.

    Anyway I’m off to Leeds for a holiday. That’s how exotic I am. You’ll miss me. I know you will.

  282. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    8 Jul, 2014 - 4:18 pm

    Well all I can say is, I haven’t heard any other crew members complain.

    Not surprising, since you smashed the intercom with a spanner during your hissy fit over the calamares. And it’s not getting fixed until you release the magnetic restraint and let me off this bulkhead.

  283. Macky

    aangirfan? Hilarious.

    I really can’t argue with that.

  284. The TTIP (EU US trade deal) and its dangers to us.

    Public Services, privatisation and TTIP, the EU-US trade deal

    Linda Kaucher, long-term researcher and campaigner on the EU’s secretive international trade agreement programme, explains what TTIP means for our public services.

    There is justified concern that privatising public services, which inherently shifts the priority to shareholder dividends, is not best value either for the public purse or for optimal quality of services. Now the proposed EU-US free trade agreement, the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), brings another dimension to this concern. As part of the agreement, the privatisations of public services, in whatever form, could become effectively irreversible.

    As with all EU bilateral trade deals, the intention is for TTIP negotiations and texts to remain secret until the deal is completed, despite the fact that the deal affects 850 million people. Information is coming for the most part from leaked documents.

    /..
    http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/commentanalysis/ethicaleconomics/ttipandprivatisation.aspx

    and

    Are we reaching TTIPing point?
    In the first in a series on the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, Leonie Nimmo introduces the trade deal that campaigners warn is a threat to democracy.
    http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/commentanalysis/ethicaleconomics/thetransatlantictradeandinvestmentpartnership.aspx

  285. @Phil, hope I’ve caught you in time for a little holiday reading, which will show just how canny you were to pick the Sahara Conflict to compare with I/P :D ;

    http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/76901

  286. Phil; “aangirfan? Hilarious”

    Don’t be snidey, add learning about the Blood Diamond trade to your holiday reading list ! :D

  287. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 4:29 pm

    “Advocates of the deal say that it will boost trade, create jobs, increase choice for consumers and make everybody richer.”

    Another incarnation of ‘trickle-down’, Mary.

    No BRICS with that mortar.

  288. Macky

    I haven’t clicked your link. Diamonds are only a small part of the resources stolen from Africa. That Israel is involved with finance, corporations and special forces in Africa is well known and does not in the slightest change my point.

    I really have to go now.

  289. I believe Whales ‘blow off’. Any verb another than ‘to say’ or ‘to write’ is used. Such possession of a wide vocabulary. How do you know if I sent a complaint to the BBC or not?

    Ref earlier mutterings @
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/doune-the-rabbit-hole-2/comment-page-2/#comment-465167,
    I posted Robert Fisk’s piece on Irving having read it on Information Clearing House. I respect his journalism for being truthful and unbiased so thought I would share it.

    Are the ‘Semotoc’ a group of indigenous people in the country known as Canada?

  290. Phil @4:19pm

    Still here?

  291. Phil; “That Israel is involved with finance, corporations and special forces in Africa is well known and does not in the slightest change my point”

    “involved” ! That understatement rather makes a mockery of your statement, even allowing for the contradiction that your point was why people don’t focus on the conflict in the Congo !

    I did focus, and you try to play down what I found ! :D

  292. Terrible scenes in Gaza are shown in this Sky video and photo gallery.

    Israel Bombs Gaza After Hamas Rocket Fire
    Hamas responds by threatening an “earthquake” in response to the attacks as the two sides edge closer towards a major conflict.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1297161/israel-bombs-gaza-after-hamas-rocket-fire

    Israel’s ‘Operation Protective Edge’ is kicking off. Sirens are sounding in Tel Aviv. History is repeating itself once more.

  293. I have always admired your tenacity on this blog Macky. Why is there so much denial?

  294. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    “How do you know if I sent a complaint to the BBC or not?”
    __________________

    Because, my dear Mary, you send many letters of complaint off to different bodies and usually proudly tell us about it and I have no reason to believe that you acted any differently this time.

    But I sense a diffident reaching out in your reply and so shall ask you : did you complaon to the BBC?

  295. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 5:32 pm

    OBN of the day:

    “I have always admired your tenacity on this blog Macky.”
    ____________________

    Absolutely so, Mary! Which is presumably why Macky threw his toys out of the pram several months ago after getting reproached by Craig and others and swore never to return.

    But lonely exile on Squonk proved unsatisfying….

    It’s a tenacious dog that returns to his vomit.

    Pip, pip!

  296. I repeat Macky that I admire your tenacity on this blog.

    I am NOT the troll’s ‘dear Mary’ and he should mind his own business as to the recipients of my correspondence.

  297. PS Who or what are the Semotoc?

  298. “Spirit of Gordon”
    Encrypted Communique 4395444xge567

    Mackey. 4 46pm

    Focus! :-)

    Could you come aboard and take a look at our improbability drive. Your dismantling talent could be put to good use. We can do the transport.

    Re the whole consent manipulation machine… “It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but what is perceived to be true.” Henry Kissinger

    Ba’al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)
    8 Jul, 2014 – 4:18 pm

    “… until you release the magnetic restraint and let me off this bulkhead.”

    Ok. I’m a fair-minded and generous captain so I’ll allow you choose between the security and unstimulating demands of your present position on this ship, and the, all of a sudden, mysteriously vacant post of Assistant Sub Undermanager of the Sewage Lagoon.

    No wait a moment, here’s a better idea, here’s a XXX*7 suit and a spanner. See if you can just unbolt the whole recycling unit and give it a nudge. That’s bound to solve it and we can print another one in a couple of weeks if we can start that 3D printer.

  299. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 5:51 pm

    Breaking news, as some pn jhere would say:

    Lady Justice Butler-Sloss is named to head the paedophilia inquiry.

    I think all would agree that this is an excellent choice because she was an excellent judge. No whitewashes to be expected.

  300. 12 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28206556

    Current posts on Medialens on the situation
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/

    Guardian : Israel approves 40,000 reservists as strikes from air and sea pound GAZA… – alquds43 Today, 5:39 pm

    COMPARE & CONTRAST : Israel steps up deadly GAZA offensive… – alquds43 Today, 5:24 pm

    BBC WHISPERING SERVICE:Israel ‘ready for escalation’ of GAZA conflict – alquds43 Today, 5:08 pm

    Adam Withnall in The Independent on Israel and Palestine…how’s this for an opening line? – Ed Today, 4:24 pm

  301. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 5:57 pm

    “..and he should mind his own business as to the recipients of my correspondence.”
    __________________

    Well, Mary my dear, with most people I WOULD, but you have gone public so often about your correspondence that you have to some extent forfeited the right to privacy here, haven’t you.

    It’s a bit like those celebrities who reveal much of their private lives and then complain when the press writes about their private lives.

    Semotoc was merely a typo for Semitic, as you well know :)

  302. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 6:00 pm

    “I repeat Macky that I admire your tenacity on this blog.”
    __________________

    And I repeat, Mary, that you have earned this week’s OBN and that Macky threw his toys out of the pram several months ago after getting reproached by Craig and others and swore never to return.

    But lonely exile on Squonk proved unsatisfying….

    It’s a tenacious dog that returns to his vomit. Woof, woof, Macky.

  303. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 6:08 pm

    “..as strikes from air and sea pound GAZA… – alquds43 Today, 5:39 pm”
    ________________

    Ah, that verb “to pound”. Shivers run up our spines as we think of previous poundings: Leningrad, Stalingrad, Warsaw……which resulted in thousands of deaths.

    And then we read, in the same post from Mary :

    “12 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza.”

    There’s no doubt about it – the Germans have nothing to teach the Israelis when it comes to poundings.

  304. “Macky threw his toys out of the pram several months ago after getting reproached by Craig and others and swore never to return”

    It’s obvious that you missed me, and that you are so desperate for me to respond to you, that you have started blantently lying again; for the record, I stated that I couldn’t bring by myself to respond to Craig’s beyond the pale comments iro the Odessa massacre, that’s all; I not only stopped commenting here for a while, but for an equal time at Squonk; I’m posting here again, for now, but the difference being that I don’t have any more illusions about Craig, and in the knowledge that this Blog is moderated to protect both his perjudices, and his pets, chiefly yourself.

    @Mary, if you believe in & argue your pov in good faith, being “tenacity” is inherently automactic ! ;)

  305. Like the weather, I wish you would dry up.

    Al Quds is a commenter on Medialens. He was repeating today’s Guardian headline fyi.

    Israel approves 40,000 reservists as strikes from air and sea pound Gaza – live
    •At least 15 Palestinians killed in Israeli strikes, officials say
    •Israel troops ordered to ‘prepare for escalation’
    •Operation follows increase in rocket attacks from Gaza
    •White House ‘strongly condemns continuing rocket fire’
    •Read the latest summary

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/israel-steps-up-offensive-against-gaza-live-updates

    ~~~~

  306. My comment above obviously not to you Macky!

  307. That was obvious Mary; unlike some, I know when I’m actually being addressed ! :D

    https://squonk.tk/blog/2014/01/20/the-general-discussion-thread/comment-page-18/#comment-7305

  308. Why a statue of Gandhi? Does that aid Gideon’s trade mission? The ubiquitous Mr Vaz approves.

    We all wanted a statue of Brian Haw. Even the Times suggested it this morning I am told.
    http://www.demotix.com/news/4731367/michael-culver-shows-statue-brian-haw-sculptor-amanda-ward#media-4728224

  309. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 7:19 pm

    “We all wanted a statue of Brian Haw.”
    ____________________

    Speak for yourself, Mary, I certainly wanted no such thing. The man was a demented, obsessive leech. Good riddance (geographically speaking, of course).

  310. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 7:23 pm

    “Like the weather, I wish you would dry up.

    Al Quds is a commenter on Medialens. He was repeating today’s Guardian headline fyi.”
    ______________________

    It’s one of Mary’s famous Russians dolls: on the “pounding” of Gaza, Mary repeats Al Quds who repeated a Guardian headline.

    The Guardian headline is probably also a repeat from God knows whom, but hey, who cares. What’s one more repeat between (original) friends?

  311. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 7:30 pm

    Macky

    Surely you are not denying that you were reproached – several times – by Craig and others, as a result of which you went into exile?

    Anyway, I do hope that exile has taught you a little humility and given you the opportunity to re-evaluate your beliefs and the often unfortunate manner in which you attempt to express them.

    Welcome back.

    LOL

  312. “Surely you are not denying that you were reproached – several times – by Craig and others, as a result of which you went into exile?”

    You are both a blatant liar & a deluded fantasist.

    I challenge you to substantiate any of these alleged “reproachments”, and to provide the mythical comment where I “swore never to return” :D

    Off you go, and try to have the self respect not to address me again until you bring back the evidence or “proofs” :D :D

  313. doug scorgie

    8 Jul, 2014 - 7:48 pm

    Mary
    7 Jul, 2014 – 3:57 pm

    “There was not much take up on 38 Degrees for action on TTIP. I think that people are not aware of the implications of TTIP.”

    The neo-lib media are not fulfilling their duty to inform (as ever).

    This goes further than the NHS and other public services. This is an assault on democracy itself and we know that democracy and neo-liberal capitalism don’t mix.

    What are the members of parliament doing about it? Not a lot.

    http://nhap.org/cameron-makes-light-of-ttip/

  314. Do not sully the name of a decent and brave human. You are well out of his league.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/doune-the-rabbit-hole-2/comment-page-2/#comment-465305

  315. UK manufacturing output in surprise fall
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/28209578

    Sterling plunges after manufacturing output surprises everyone by shrinking
    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/go/news/article/1302558/sterling-plunges-manufacturing-output-surprises-everyone-shrinking/

    M&S general merchandise sales fall 1.5% ahead of AGM

    Here we go! Marks & Spencer has suffered another fall in general merchandise sales, as the travails with its new website continue to hit turnover.

    Hours before its annual meeting, M&S has told the City that clothing, footwear and homeware sales slumped by 1.5% on a like-for-like basis in the last three months. That means they’ve been falling steadily for the last 3 years.

    And clothing sales are also down again, falling 0.6% (if you strip out the impact of new stores.

    But the big shock is on the web site – sales at M&S.com have tumbled by 8.1%!
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jul/08/marks-and-spencer-results-clothing-sales-agm-business-live

    LOL

    Recovery? What recovery?

  316. I thought this is fascinating. The utterly disastrous banking career of the seventh earl of Verulam especially. http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-gold-plated-grassroots/#more-58194

  317. Am I the only one that noticed that idiot trolls disappearance from this blog coincided with Leon Brittan’s going to ground over the missing dossier? It all fits; the sometimes female sometimes not identity, the fine handmade Italian leather jackboots; the boastful bloated Eurocrat leanings, recalling those days when the vacuous ex-Tory student Clegg was his fresh-faced factotum serving the oily Knight in all capacities.

    ‘It’ has certainly gone into overdrive, posting frenetically as Israel goes on another of its murderous sprees amidst the Arab ghettoes. Meanwhile our glorious TV news gives us quaking Israelis ‘sheltering’ in their luxurious bunkers from the onslaught of fireworks set off by their own people outside whilst Israel’s death squads bombard defenceless crowded Gaza with every conceivable barbaric weapon they dare without tipping worldwide revulsion into irresistible demands for a united response in kind. Holding back the mounting vomit is not recommended. This is the time when some mainstream TV newsreader should and must be prepared to say on air “I’m not putting up with disseminating these vicious streams of lies any longer” or similar and lets rip over this particular outright and disgusting Israeli fraud, eliciting sympathy and claiming victimhood, as always – a complete inversion of reality – whilst perpetrating another despicable mass killing and terrorising of half-starved and penned-in Palestinians.

  318. I only know Brian Haw by reputation, and what I saw in the film War Matters. I wondered about his personal life, so I looked him up in Wikipedia.

    “Haw worked with troubled youngsters in Redditch, Worcestershire, where he lived with his wife Kay and their seven children until he left them in 2001 to begin his Parliament Square protest”

    Does anyone know what happened to his seven children?

  319. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 9:19 pm

    Long-term planning;

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/sep/27/uk.syria1?cat=politics&type=article

    “Nearly 50 years before the war in Iraq, Britain and America sought a secretive “regime change” in another Arab country they accused of spreading terror and threatening the west’s oil supplies, by planning the invasion of Syria and the assassination of leading figures.
    Newly discovered documents show how in 1957 Harold Macmillan and President Dwight Eisenhower approved a CIA-MI6 plan to stage fake border incidents as an excuse for an invasion by Syria’s pro-western neighbours, and then to “eliminate” the most influential triumvirate in Damascus.

  320. Message from Gaza from Dr Mona al-Farra. An eye witness account of the bombardment.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1404850980.html

    I also received it today via Greta Berlin of Free Gaza who said:

    Please share widely.
    If you can, donate to MECA here: http://www.mecaforpeace.org/meca-projects They are a wonderful organization. Greta

  321. “whilst perpetrating another despicable mass killing and terrorising of half-starved and penned-in Palestinians”

    While our leaders give diplomatic cover & support, & hypocritically wring their hands in public, and the ghouls who act as Israeli apologists go into overdrive, using distracting tactics such as lying to start arguments, or besmirching Brian Haw.

  322. Resident Dissident

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:04 pm

    @Anode

    “Do you think it is a good thing when a person’s life is destroyed for disagreeing with the mainstream view. Can you cite any other example where a person’s honest disagreement on the interpretation of facts has been punished so harshly?”

    No I don’t – but as has already been point it was Irving that started the libel action against a fellow historian who had made the point that not only was Irving’s interpretation of the facts re the Holocaust was wrong but so were his facts. The judgment in the case claimed that Irving deliberately distorted evidence that was proven to be true. Irving then continued to repeat the same “facts” and distortions for for many years after the case. The court case is freely available should you wish to search for it. Irving was trying to destroy Deborah Lipstadt and he got his comeuppance as a result.

    The fact that he has also been a regular performer at neo Nazi events over the years also does enamour him to me very much. Perhaps Mary, given her father’s stance against Nazi’s might wish to explain why she felt necessary to give succour to Irving’s cause just so she could get in an attack on Lipstadt’s lawyer?

  323. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:12 pm

    Mary’s headline:

    “Sterling plunges after manufacturing output surprises everyone by shrinking
    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/go/news/article/1302558/sterling-plunges-manufacturing-output-surprises-everyone-shrinking/
    __________________

    And, in that link:

    “As of 11.46am sterling was 0.09% down at $1.7114.”

    Wow! Sterling down by all of 0,09%! A catastrophe and the end of civilisation – and the UK – as we know them!

    Could Mary perhaps remind us of the sterling-USD exchange rate say 1 year ago, please?

  324. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:24 pm

    Resident Dissident

    “Perhaps Mary, given her father’s stance against Nazi’s might wish to explain why she felt necessary to give succour to Irving’s cause just so she could get in an attack on Lipstadt’s lawyer?”
    ___________________

    Could the answer be contained in the old saw “my enemies’ enemy is my friend”, Mary’s enemies in this case being Deborah Lipstadt and her lawyer Anthony Julius?

    Of course, only Mary can tell us why she sees Lipstadt and Julius as her enemies….

  325. He’s still living on his wits.

    http://www.lordnorthstreet.com/our-team/team-members/john-verulam

    Living in a nice pad.

    New Gorhambury House We are allowed to gawp if we pay.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Gorhambury_House

    His speech in the Lords when they were carving up the Scottish oil. He had succeeded to the title 2 years earlier.

    Within this. http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1975/feb/10/offshore-petroleum-development-scotland

    and displaying a strong materialistic streak in this speech in an Industry and Society debate. Lord Brown who followed made a comment to that effect.
    http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1977/feb/09/industry-and-society-1#S5LV0379P0_19770209_HOL_143

    His wife is the Lord Lieutenant of Hertfordshire and they are such an arrogant lot that they brought the town’s traffic to a standstill at a family wedding. Let the plebs wait!
    http://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/traffic_chaos_wedding_was_that_of_earl_of_verulam_s_daughter_1_2238012

  326. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:30 pm

    Dreoilin asks, à propos Brian Haw

    “Does anyone know what happened to his seven children?”
    __________________

    I suspect that part of the answer is that the fascist British state – through the agency of its evil social security system – kept the wolf from the door during the period of Mr Haw’s volontary withdrawal from the world of gainful employment.

    But, of course, I stand ready to be corrected (as always!).

  327. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:33 pm

    “Contrariwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s logic.”

    L. Carroll

  328. 7 nil to Germany! What happened to Brazil?5

  329. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:41 pm

    `Let’s fight till six, and then have dinner,’ said Tweedledum.

    `Very well,’ the other said, rather sadly: `and she can watch us — only you’d better not come very close,’ he added: `I generally hit everything I can see — when I get really excited.’

    `And I hit everything within reach,’ cried Tweedledum, `whether I can see it or not!’

  330. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:47 pm

    ““Nearly 50 years before the war in Iraq, Britain and America sought a secretive “regime change” in another Arab country they accused of spreading terror and threatening the west’s oil supplies, by planning the invasion of Syria and the assassination of leading figures.
    Newly discovered documents show how in 1957 Harold Macmillan and President Dwight Eisenhower approved a CIA-MI6 plan to stage fake border incidents as an excuse for an invasion by Syria’s pro-western neighbours, and then to “eliminate” the most influential triumvirate in Damascus.”
    ________________

    Well, you can say what you like about old Ben, but one can certainly learn from him.

    Funnily enough, however, the various histories of Syria do not appear to record any invasion of Syria or indeed any assassination of its “leading figures” in 1957 or even in the years thereafter.

    What happened, Ben?

  331. Dreoilin; “Does anyone know what happened to his seven children?”

    I’m sure that they would all be touched to learn of your personal “concern” for them; or do you share the concern of Habby The Humane, that they may, shock ! horror ! heaven forbid ! have received any kind of benefit ?

  332. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 10:56 pm

    `Do I look very pale?’ said Tweedledum, coming up to have his helmet tied on. (He called it a helmet, though it certainly looked much more like a saucepan.)

  333. She-Wolf of the

    8 Jul, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    Move over, Irma Ida Ilse Grese! Israel’s genocidaires are hotter and meaner!

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-lawmakers-call-for-genocide-of-palestinians-gets-thousands-of-facebook-likes/5390230

  334. Resident Dissident

    8 Jul, 2014 - 11:11 pm

    If we are going to have a statue to a pacifist – surely the Eminences can come up with someone better than Brian Haw who achieved close to bugger all when compared with someone like Bertrand Russell. But then of course if you believe in politics as street theatre then perhaps it makes some sense. I nominate a collection of naked Eminences to occupy the empty plinth in Trafalgar Square.

  335. technicolour

    8 Jul, 2014 - 11:13 pm

    In his stand against war and lies, Brian Haw represented the views of the majority of British people, of all political persuasions and backgrounds, of course.

    “Friends and family attended the ceremony for the Woodford Green-born protestor at 1.15pm in Redditch Crematorium, in Redditch, Worcestershire, where he lived, before heading to the Foxlydiate Arms pub to share their memories of the man.

    His daughter, Catherine Fletcher, said before the funeral: “We would like to say a big thank you to everyone for their kind words and support at this awful time.”

    She also told the BBC that she was “very proud” of him for “standing up for what he believed in”, and said he attended her brother’s graduation and had come home now and then.”

    http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/9131446.WOODFORD_GREEN__Funeral_of_Brian_Haw_attended_by_friends_and_family/

  336. “I’m sure that they would all be touched to learn of your personal “concern” for them; or do you share the concern of Habby The Humane, that they may, shock ! horror ! heaven forbid ! have received any kind of benefit ?”

    Typical idiot Macky to dive in nose first, without knowing jack schitt, either about me, or about Brian Haw’s children. Or without a shred of evidence that I would oppose benefit for them.
    You really are a klutz of the first order. Next time, count to ten before you open your big maw.

    ________

    Meanwhile, I found the following

    “The memory of an inspirational anti-war campaigner, who camped outside the Houses of Parliament for ten years in protest, will feature in a musical production.

    “Brian Haw became a familiar face to MPs and a controversial hero to civil rights campaigners as he protested about sanctions against Iraq and wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan until he died in 2011.

    “His family has given their blessing for the Youth Music Theatre to create According to Brian Haw. His son Peter even worked with the group to bring his father’s story to life.

    “Mr Haw, one of the protester’s seven children, worked as an adviser for the production which will begin at Riverside Studios in Hammersmith, west London on August 20.

    “The 31-year-old said that the family completely supported his father’s decision to carry out the protest but found it hard to handle his absence as they grew up in Redditch, Worcestershire without him.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305662/Brian-Haw-Anti-war-protester-Life-Brian-musical-dedicated-memory.html

    A musical doesn’t sound like the right vehicle for the story of an anti-war protester, to me anyway. But that’s probably just a personal thing.

    ————–

    Glad to read your comment, Technicolour. Wikipedia made it sound like he walked out and never came back.

  337. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 11:40 pm

    Oh, the Pacifist Eminences need a tutor.

    `I know what you’re thinking about,’ said Tweedledum: `but it isn’t so, nohow.’

  338. Dreoilin; “Next time, count to ten before you open your big maw”

    You may fool some of the less perceptive people here, but your “innocent” Wiki quote & “concern” for his children, reveal exactly what a nasty piece of work you really are.

  339. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    8 Jul, 2014 - 11:51 pm

  340. Sweet harmless little Macky considers herself “perceptive”.

    :D

    (Talk to the hand, Macky, because from now the ears ain’t listening)

  341. The bastards have taken down the Hamas website: http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/.

    Meanwhile, Britain is allowing its territory to be used by those who are assisting with the Zionist war effort against Gaza.

    The territory I refer to is the head offices of major media organisations, both state and private. Those organisations are using the official Zionist military translation of “Operation Solid Rock” (or “Solid Cliff”) into “Operation Protective Edge” or “Operation Defensive Edge”. Those translations come directly from the IDF’s psychological warfare department.

    Can someone tell me whether there is a religious meaning to “מִבְצָע צוּק אֵיתָן” (“Mivtzah Tzuk Eitan”). Other Zionist massacres have been given religiously-derived names (Passover Cleansing, Cast Lead, Pillar of Cloud), so is the ongoing massacre the same or different in that respect?

  342. I have absolutely no idea who that fellow is who is shown as my avatar.

  343. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 12:21 am

    Dave; A near as I can it seems to mean ‘make a rock’ which is interesting because when Moses returned from the Mountain, the Israelites had cast a Golden Calf to replace YHWH and Moses was told to stand aside because He threatened to destroy this ‘stiff-necked’ people and raise up descendants of Abraham from stones in the desert.

  344. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 12:39 am

    Macky (19h39)

    “I challenge you to substantiate any of these alleged “reproachments”(sic),…”

    _____________________

    With pleasure, Macky. Here’s what Craig said to you on the “When Lavrov was right thread” on 17 March a&t 18h54:

    “Macky

    You are astonished I talk about Kosovo when a few days ago I had little knowledge. It is called the capacity to learn, Macky, you should try it.

    Not only an I suddenly a US stooge for not agreeing with you, but now all twelve other countries at the UN security council which voted against Russia are US stooges too. Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is in the pay of the CIA, blackmailed by the US, or a Nazi. Weird that.”

    I’d say that’s a reproach in anyone’s book, Macky.

    More where that came from, Macky, just say the word and I’ll refer.

    Klutz!!

  345. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 12:43 am

    From Dreoilin

    “Sweet harmless little Macky considers herself “perceptive”.”
    _____________

    That “herself” reminds me that there was a long, very long exchange on Squonk back in March about whether Macky was male or female.

    A lot of hot air if course, and thoroughly pointless, but Macky did seem to get very upset with someone or other for outing him (or was that “her”?).

  346. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 12:53 am

    Germany 7, Brazil 1, huh?

    That must surely be the biggest defeat for any side ever in the World Cup semi-finals.

    Perhaps even the biggest defeat for any side in any round of any World Cup?

    Football fans please correct if necessary.

  347. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 12:54 am

    Truly if Israeli’s are the chosen people, it’s a different kind of special status. Maybe they’ve ‘chosen’ the path of the Hittites, Amalakites,Sargon and their first King Saul.

  348. There is said to be no connection between the death of the ex husband of Mrs al-Hilli and her murder. He died of a heart attack in the US on the same day she died. A strange coincidence there.

    Al-Hilli murders ‘No Alps link’ in death of ex-husband
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28221435

  349. The question raised about Brian Haw’s children provided the troll with the opportunity to smear and besmirch a decent man.

    ~~~

    The promise of a Gandhi statue in Parliament Square came from the dynamic duo Gideon and Billy Fourteen Pints Hague on their trip to India. I bet they are having a great time out there. Hague hopes to flog Eurofighters to Modi. What would Angelina, Hague’s partner in the fight against rape in war, say about his hypocrisy?

    The ambitious Mr Javid is not to be left out.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/gandhi-statue-for-outside-parliament

    Q.Why is Javid, born here of ‘British Indian parents’, a Conservative Friend of Israel?
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/94117/muslim-tory-mp-after-britain-israel-best

  350. Dependent on a final ruling by the ECHR today, anonymous commenting on the internet might end. This comes soon after the recent ruling that Google, on request, must remove personal information.

    CASE OF DELFI AS v. ESTONIA
    http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng/pages/search.aspx?i=001-126635#{“itemid”:["001-126635"]}

    Delfi is a news agency.

    Background
    http://www.indexoncensorship.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/udgment-Delfi-AS-v.-Estonia-making-an-online-news-site-liable-for-its-readers-comments-was-justifie.pdf

    Freedom of speech on the internet is being closed down.

  351. Total confusion within Google on their reaction to the ‘right to be forgotten’ legislation. A mess.

    Google reinstates ‘forgotten’ links after pressure
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28157607

    Barron used to work for the BBC as Newsnight’s editor.

  352. “I’d say that’s a reproach in anyone’s book, Macky”

    LOL ! Thank you for starting my day with a great laugh ! :D

    I reckon that Craig will thank you NOT for bringing that up ! :D

    It’s no accident that you didn’t provide the link, where the context will show exactly what a schoolboy howler of a “misunderstanding” (let’s be generous) that Craig chose to reply with, rather than engage with points he found uncomfortable with.

    My reply to Craig’s incredulous straw-man attempt makes clear that if there was any “reproach”, it emanated from me rather than to me.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/when-lavrov-was-right/#comment-446700

    Still no luck finding that mythical comment of mine where you alleged that I “swore never to return” ?! Funny that, and in the really side-splitting hilarious sense too !

    You will keep trying though, as there’s a new influx of Posters who need to have the pleasure of seeing you shredding your credibility yet again, and to realize that shameless bear face lying is really your strongest, & really, only forte.

  353. O/T

    I loved the footy yesterday, but I hate the way the commentators and pundits can’t seem to get out of the crappy WW2 movie mentality, with Germans forever portrayed as cold-hearted villains. Even when the commentators praise them they automatically turn to dehumanising adjectives like, ruthless efficiency, cold, calculating, forensic, machine-like etc.

    Last night they were a joy to behold. Hats off to them. And I say that as one whose sympathies normally lie with the Brazilians.

    End of rant.

  354. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:42 am

    Macky (07h58)

    I do like a man (?) who can take a reproach with a smile. So, to keep you smiling, here’s another reproach from Craig (the “The wrong referendum the wrong saviour” thread, 17 March, 07h16):

    “Macky,

    Nobody has been more outspokenly critical of the West than I. I think that Chomsky’s quotation is absolutely right, and not only do I subscribe to it, I very actively live by it. I don’t think it is anything to do with self-hatred for the left to criticize the West.

    What is very, very wrong is for the intellectually challenged to conclude that the West is bad, therefore anybody who is not the West is good. That is a logical fallacy so childish it is difficult to take you seriously.

    What if you go back to my original post and tell me what is wrong about the observations I make about Putin’s Russia?”

    It’s in the second para if you’re short-sighted this morning!

    If the owner of this blog has difficulty taking you seriously, why should we humble commenters do so?

    Have a good day and….keep smiling!

  355. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:48 am

    Macky

    And so that your smile may broaden, I recommend a re-reading of your various whinings on Squonk (the “General discussion” thread of March this year), from which one gets a rather clear picture of why you threw a hissy fit and left Craig’s blog.

    “Klutz” is understating things, I’d say.

    And now go and do an honest day’s work, Macky.

  356. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:52 am

    ‘It’ has certainly gone into overdrive, posting frenetically as Israel goes on another of its murderous sprees amidst the Arab ghettoes. Meanwhile our glorious TV news gives us quaking Israelis ‘sheltering’ in their luxurious bunkers from the onslaught of fireworks set off by their own people outside whilst Israel’s death squads bombard defenceless crowded Gaza with every conceivable barbaric weapon they dare without tipping worldwide revulsion into irresistible demands for a united response in kind. Holding back the mounting vomit is not recommended. This is the time when some mainstream TV newsreader should and must be prepared to say on air “I’m not putting up with disseminating these vicious streams of lies any longer” or similar and lets rip over this particular outright and disgusting Israeli fraud, eliciting sympathy and claiming victimhood, as always – a complete inversion of reality – whilst perpetrating another despicable mass killing and terrorising of half-starved and penned-in Palestinians.

    What Tony M said. It might almost be said that a shadow of justification for Israel might be dredged from this ongoing atrocity if any of the assaults on Gaza had actually achieved their stated objective of ending the (much more justifiable)resistance. Though it would have been the same sort of justification as the Nazis claimed for wiping out the Warsaw ghetto, it would at least have had some twisted logic.

    So far:
    Operation Rainbow (May 2004), Operation Days of Penitence (2004), the 2006 Israel-Gaza conflict, Operation Autumn Clouds (2006), Operation Hot Winter (2008), Operation Cast Lead (2009), Operation Pillar of Defense (2012), and Operation Protective Edge (2014)
    have all failed in their objectives. As has the ongoing trade embargo, border restrictions and refusal of access to construction materials to repair the wreckage.

    Ponder this, Israelophiles:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetition_compulsion

    So, in 2016, very predictably, we’ll be saying the same things yet again. Every two years, in goes the IDF.

    But the Quartet Peace Envoy will again be utterly silent. Historical note: Tony Blair has visited Israel 118 times. He has visited Gaza once.

    Keywords: Tony Blair, Gaza, IDF, Hamas, Warsaw Ghetto

  357. “Have a good day and….keep smiling!”

    I am, and all thanks to you ! :D

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/the-wrong-referendum-the-wrong-saviour/comment-page-2/#comment-446450

    Craig must be loving you today ! :D

  358. Dreoilin, Habbabkuk claimed to be speaking on your behalf yesterday:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/doune-the-rabbit-hole-2/#comment-465110

    On one occasion, I remember Habbabkuk was offering to meet with you in London. Dreoilin, was Habbabkuk really relaying communication from you?

  359. “On one occasion, I remember Habbabkuk was offering to meet with you in London. Dreoilin, was Habbabkuk really relaying communication from you?”

    Of course not. And he didn’t offer to meet me in London. That was Villager.

  360. Habbabkuk, 8 Jul, 7:19 pm:

    “The man [Brian Haw] was a demented, obsessive leech”

    Please explain why you think these three things.

  361. Dreoilin, thanks for the clarification. I suspected that Habbabkuk was simply making it up.

  362. “Operation Rainbow (May 2004), Operation Days of Penitence (2004), the 2006 Israel-Gaza conflict, Operation Autumn Clouds (2006), Operation Hot Winter (2008), Operation Cast Lead (2009), Operation Pillar of Defense (2012), and Operation Protective Edge (2014)
    have all failed in their objectives…
    and that’s just the last six years of it all.

    Maybe Dad can explain how the IDF identifies and locates terrorists like these?

    http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-42-39295608.jpg?size=67&uid=bfad12a7-476d-4b4f-9111-06b8009e8b4d

    How can a country make itself safe like this? And just who gains from all this?

  363. Ok. I listed ten, not six, years of slaughter.

    This whole horrible business will end one day, but I fear for all those who will have to resolve the accumulated pain and hatred and create shared future. Every dead child makes their job harder.

  364. YouKnowMyName

    9 Jul, 2014 - 9:35 am

    Germany may be celebrating over the World cup results so-far, but according to that hotbed of Putin Propaganda [Christian Science Monitor] the German populace is increasingly discontent with America.

    “I’m not sure the US has understood how disappointed its closest allies in Europe are,” says Josef Braml, a transatlantic expert at German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin. “This is not a self-confident superpower. This is a country that lives in agony.… For the German-American relationship, it’s difficult to look up to the US.”

    This anger and disillusionment in Germany dates back to the unpopular US invasion of Iraq, the fallout from the global financial crisis, and disappointment in President Obama – not to mention the 25 years that have passed since the Berlin Wall fell. But the NSA scandal was the tipping point. Today, palpable German anger has an impact on the transatlantic agenda, says Ms. Guérot, including a free trade deal called the TTIP and the crisis in Ukraine.

    Although the German government backs the TTIP for economic considerations, the NSA scandal adds to the ambivalence that the German public already feels about it. An Infratest Dimap poll from June showed that 55 percent of Germans fear that the TTIP will be disadvantageous for their country.

    “If you look at NSA, or TTIP, and Ukraine; what we believed the West to be is gone. It is basically an empty shell,” says [Ulrike] Guérot

    So, apart from Iraq, Financial Crash, Obama, NSA, TTIP & Ukraine “What has the USA done for us?,”

  365. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 9:35 am

    Actually, I think I can answer that. UN report, 2012:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/27/us-palestinians-gaza-un-idUSBRE87Q0OE20120827

    Gaza will no longer be “liveable” by 2020 unless urgent action is taken to improve water supply, power, health, and schooling, the United Nations’ most comprehensive report on the Palestinian enclave said on Monday.

    What Israel would like to happen is that the kindly Western nations will accept responsibility for the wellbeing of Gazans. Since they obviously won’t be able to get a lot of aid in there due to the Israeli blockade, they, and perhaps neighbouring Arab states at their behest, will gradually be permitted to take refugees from what will then be a humanitarian disaster zone. So much nicer than ethnic cleansing, isn’t it?

    Then of course there will be an abandoned strip of land, handy for the beach and great for tourism – re-annex, and send in the bulldozers. Sweet.

    You may have read it here first.
    Keywords: Tony Blair, Gaza, IDF, Hamas, Warsaw Ghetto

  366. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 9:38 am

    My last was in response to Sofia’ rhetorical question, not YouKnow’s. Sorry, should have quoted it.

  367. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 9:39 am

    an abandoned strip of land, handy for the beach and great for tourism…

    And how could I forget the offshore oilfield?

  368. BrianFujisan

    9 Jul, 2014 - 9:41 am

    Craig, Clark,

    I got the form for DTRH submitted…hopefully I’ll hear back soon…However i may be out of contact for a few days, as I’m off to the Outer Hebrides today… isle of Barra, and Vatersay :)

    Nevermind, would be great to see ya there… Grab a few Jars.. if not catch ya in Sept…
    AND WOW…WOW… What a night for you at the world cup…felt a bit sorry for Brazil…MEGA defeat…Well done Germany

    Dave with the Strangers Face… :) @ 12;13 am

    its the same with US naming weapons after native American Tribes -

    Aircraft and missiles in service include the:

    • AH-64 Apache attack helicopter
    • UH-60 Black Hawk utility helicopter
    • UH-72 Lakota utility helicopter
    • CH-47 Chinook heavy-lift transport helicopter
    • OH-58 Kiowa observation helicopter, which the Army is considering retiring them
    • OH-6 Cayuse observation helicopter
    • TH-67 Creek trainer helicopter—the Army may retire them, too
    • C-12 Huron transport aircraft
    • RU-21 Ute electronic intelligence aircraft, a variant of the C-12
    • BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missile

    The retired aircraft are the:

    • UH-1 Iroquois utility helicopter, retired in 2011
    • H-34 Choctaw transport helicopter, left service in early 1970s
    • RU-8 Seminole utility aircraft, 1992
    • H-21 Shawnee transport helicopter, 1967
    • OV-1 Mohawk twin-engine observation aircraft, 1996
    • T-41 Mescalero trainer aircraft, no longer in the Army but still flying for the Air Force

    Proposed but never fielded:

    • SM-64 Navaho experimental cruise missile, canceled in 1957
    • AH-56 Cheyenne attack helicopter, abandoned in 1972
    • RAH-66 Comanche attack helicopter, 2004
    • ARH-70 Arapaho armed reconnaissance helicopter, 2008

    Note that sometimes it’s not always clear whether a name is Native American or not. Is the C-12 Huron named after the tribe or the Great

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/twenty-u-s-weapons-named-after-native-americans-8b88e2c7ed12

  369. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 9:44 am

    Clark

    “Dreoilin, Habbabkuk claimed to be speaking on your behalf yesterday:”
    _______________

    Not really, Clark. I just allowed myself – in jocular fashion, given what I believe Dreoilin thinks of Macky – to speculate on Dreoilin’s reaction to the (un)welcome reappearance of Macky après “une aussi longue absence” (great film, by the way. 1961, dialogue by Marguérite Duras).
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    As for “meeting up on London”, I think Dreoilin answered you. Your memory seems to be playing tricks.

  370. My comment on the More Dead Children in Palestine thread

    Mary

    1 Jul, 2014 – 11:41 am

    Just some of the names for Israeli offensives against the Palestinians that I could remember or dug up. In no particular chronological order. All very lyrical names are they not?

    Operation Cast Lead
    Operation Summer Rains
    Operation Autumn Clouds
    Operation Brother’s Keeper
    Operation Pillar of Defence
    Operation Hot Water
    Operation Returning Echo
    Operation Rainbow
    Operation Days of Penitence

    And the big ones,
    Al Naqba aka The Disaster/Catastrophe
    and
    The 1967 war Al Naksah aka The Setback!

  371. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 10:00 am

    The Quartet Representative, Tony Blair, popped up in December 2013, after a storm had exposed the critical fragility of Gaza’s infrastructure. Hooray.

    http://www.quartetrep.org/quartet/news-entry/quartet-representative-tony-blair-urges-more-immediate-intervention-in-gaza/

    What was the result of his gentle appeal to the Israelis to be nicer?

    Increasingly difficult socioeconomic conditions, and more Israeli violence in January 2014 -

    http://palsolidarity.org/2014/02/a-long-bloody-january-in-gaza/

    Oh, and the Egyptians (under the then-unelected Sisi, whom the Quartet Representative is advising, for Qatari gold) closed Rafah for 25 days in January…

    http://unispal.un.org/UNiSPAL.NSF/3822b5e39951876a85256b6e0058a478/84726e8c0e96eeca85257c8a0056ad13?OpenDocument

    Keywords: Tony Blair, Gaza, Sisi, Quartet Representative.

  372. Another allusion to Alice in Wonderland.

    Clinton and Kerry Call On Snowden To Submit To Sham Security State Trial
    Snowden Should Refuse to Play “Alice in Wonderland”

    by Kevin Zeese / July 8th, 2014

    Edward Snowden submitting to prosecution in the United States, would be like Alice going into the courtroom in Wonderland.

    Alice stood before the King and Queen of Hearts who served as the judges. Knaves were chained on the ground before them. The jurors, Alice realizes are ‘stupid things.’ The first witness against her was the Mad Hatter who is as mad as the culture he represents. The guinea pigs who protest are immediately “suppressed” by having the mouths tied up and being put into a bag and sat on by the King so their protests cannot be heard. The most important evidence in the trial was secret, a poem for which the author is unknown and concludes:

    For this must ever be a secret,
    Kept from all the rest,
    Between yourself and me.

    Alice realized the court room; with the icons of a justice system – a judge, jury, witnesses – was really a sham that mocks a legitimate legal process. To confirm her realization the King said after the meaningless secret poetry evidence, that it was “the most important piece of evidence” and “Let the jury consider their verdict.” The Queen retorts “No, no! Sentence first; verdict afterwards.”

    Last week former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton joined with the current Secretary of State John Kerry in urging Edward Snowden to come home and face prosecution.

    Clinton told The Guardian that he should “return knowing he would be held accountable and also able to present a defense.” When asked about whether he could really present a defense, Clinton said:

    In any case that I’m aware of as a former lawyer, he has a right to mount a defense. And he certainly has a right to launch both a legal defense and a public defense, which can of course affect the legal defense.

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/07/clinton-and-kerry-call-on-snowden-to-submit-to-sham-security-state-trial/

  373. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 10:05 am

    Deja vu again:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1105250/As-Gaza-torn-apart-war-Middle-East-peace-envoy-Tony-Blair-Hes-HOLIDAY.html

    (2009)

    Dunno where he’s hiding from his taxpayer-funded paid responsibilities right now, but on Monday he popped into Zurich for a few hours.

    Keywords: Tony Blair, Gaza, Quartet Representative, lifestyle, peace envoy, holiday, silent.

  374. Top Tory’s link to £800,000 donor
    Financial services minister Andrea Leadsom’s brother-in-law, an offshore banker, also gave £1m to other rightwing causes

    ‘An offshore financier who is the brother-in-law of financial services minister Andrea Leadsom has donated £816,000 to the Conservative party since she first successfully ran for parliament at the last election.

    Peter de Putron, a banker who lives in Guernsey and is married to Leadsom’s sister Hayley, also made a further £1m of donations to a party-backed campaign and a rightwing thinktank. Leadsom herself said that she was unaware of the donations made by a member of her own family, but a Labour MP asked whether the payments in effect amounted to a “cash for political office” arrangement.

    The payments from De Putron included cheques to the Conservative party totalling £200,000 in 2010, £66,600 in 2011, £129,800 in 2012, and £204,760 in 2013, made by a company called Gloucester Research, plus further, smaller sums to her local constituency party.’

    Much more detail -

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/08/andrea-leadsom-family-links-offshore-bank-donations-tories

    The pigs are rolling in the stuff.

    Offshore secrets of UK’s wealthy political donors

  375. Offshore secrets of the UK’s wealthy political donors
    The first in a series revealing the offshore links of the elite, as obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, names party donors who have given six-figure sums

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/08/offshore-secrets-wealthy-political-donors

    Some of the amounts are enormous.

  376. What a marvellously fair and equal system we live under. NOT.

    Celebrities Among Hundreds Who ‘Avoided Tax’

    George Michael, Sir Michael Caine, Arctic Monkeys and Katie Melua are among those accused of sheltering cash in a legal scheme.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1297710/celebrities-among-hundreds-who-avoided-tax

  377. doug scorgie

    9 Jul, 2014 - 10:53 am

    The cover-up begins:

    Elizabeth Butler-Sloss was chosen by the home secretary to head the inquiry into allegations of historical abuse.

    Questions are raised over Butler-Sloss inquiry position. She is Sir Michael Havers sister!

    Sir Michael Havers:

    “…intervened three times between 1981 and 1983 to stop the investigation and exposure of Establishment paedophiles, and to prevent the publication of stories which showed that Establishment figures were members of the Paedophile Information Exchange.”

    “Although none of this implicates Havers’ sister, Baroness Butler-Sloss,in any way, it seems at the very least deeply inappropriate to have someone heading a ‘historic’ child abuse inquiry whose own brother played such a major role in the protection of Establishment paedophiles throughout the 1980s.”

    “In 1981, Sir Michael Havers warned Geoffrey Dickens not to name senior diplomat Sir Peter Hayman as a paedophile in the House of Commons. Dickens ignored his advice, and was publicly condemned by Havers, who said “All Mr Dickens has done is make certain that Sir Peter’s shame and embarassment is known to the world. There cannot be any justification whatsoever for what has happened. How can the public have gained by this? How can it be in the public interest to name this man?“.

    “Sir Michael Havers defended the decision not to prosecute Hayman despite possessing a huge collection of images of child abuse including – as Barry Dickens revealed earlier this week – babies being abused in their prams. Dickens accued Sir Michael of taking part in a “whitewash and “the cover-up of the century”.

    http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/

  378. doug scorgie

    9 Jul, 2014 - 10:58 am

    Just in:

    The retired judge appointed to chair a child abuse review has insisted she will not quit over her family connection with a previous probe.

    We might as well forget this “inquiry”.

  379. It’s another of my YCNMIUs Doug.

    HMG are standing by her and emphasize her ‘integrity’. I don’t think that is the question though.

  380. Habbabkuk, whatever, but what I asked you was what about Brian Haw.

  381. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 11:04 am

    http://blog.eretzyisrael.org/post/91240285915/pm-instructs-idf-to-increase-intensity-of-gaza-op

    ‘long campaign’ – Netanyahu.

    Still no Tony Blair quotes to give you. (The Quartet’s Middle East Ennui).

  382. Eight children killed in Israeli airstrikes over Gaza

    9 Jul 2014

    Israeli forces killed six children when a missile struck a residential building in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis.

    Ramallah – Israel launched a major military offensive on the Gaza Strip Tuesday that killed at least eight Palestinian children and wounded dozens more in air and sea strikes.

    Israeli forces killed six children when a missile struck the home of alleged Hamas activist Odeh Ahmad Mohammad Kaware in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis. The five families that reside in the building evacuated immediately after an Israeli aerial drone fired a warning missile. A number of neighbors, however, gathered on the roof in an effort to prevent the bombing. Shortly after 3 p.m., an Israeli airstrike leveled the building, and killed seven people, including five children, on the spot and injured 28 others.

    Hussein Yousef Hussein Karawe, 13, Basem Salem Hussein Karawe, 10, Mohammad Ali Faraj Karawe, 12, Abdullah Hamed Karawe, 6, and Kasem Jaber Adwan Karawe, 12, died immediately, according to evidence collected by Defense for Children International-Palestine. Seraj Abed al-Aal, 8, succumbed to his injuries later that evening.

    DCI-Palestine confirmed two other Palestinian teenagers died in strikes across Gaza. An Israeli attack killed Ahmad Nael Mahdi, 15, from Gaza City’s Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, and wounded two of his friends, one of which remains in critical condition. Ahmad Mousa Habib, 16, from Gaza City’s Al-Shujaiyah neighborhood, and his 22-year-old cousin were killed while riding a motorcycle, DCI-Palestine sources said.

    DCI-Palestine is confirming reports of at least three other children killed in the strikes on Tuesday.

    “The death and injury to children caused by Israel’s military offensive on Gaza demonstrates serious and extensive disregard of fundamental principles of international law,” said Rifat Kassis, executive director of DCI-Palestine. “Israeli forces must not carry out indiscriminate airstrikes in densely populated areas that fail to distinguish between military targets, civilians and civilian objects.”

    Since the beginning of Israel’s ongoing military offensive on Gaza, Operation Protective Edge, Israeli forces have launched at least 146 strikes on Gaza. The strikes have killed at least 25 Palestinians and injured more than 100 others, according to news reports.

    International humanitarian law prohibits indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks and requires that all parties to an armed conflict distinguish between military targets, civilians and civilian objects. Israel as the occupying power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the Gaza Strip, is required to protect the Palestinian civilian population from violence.

    While Israel relies on the principle of self defense to justify military offensives on Gaza, Israeli forces are bound to customary international law rules of proportionality and necessity.

    Hamas’ military wing claimed responsibility for firing around 120 rockets from Gaza into southern and central Israel, with some reaching Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, according to Haaretz. Israel’s “Iron Dome” anti-missile system has reportedly intercepted at least 23 rockets. While minimal property damage has been reported, there have been no serious casualties.

    The Israeli military has mobilized thousands of reserve soldiers in preparation for any further escalation, according to news reports.

    Israel has imposed a blockade on the Gaza Strip since 2007 by strictly controlling and limiting the entry and exit of individuals; maintaining harsh restrictions on imports including food, construction materials, fuel and other essential items; as well as prohibiting exports. Israel continues to maintain complete control over the Gaza Strip’s borders, airspace and territorial waters.

    The last major Israeli military offensive on Gaza, Operation Pillar of Defense, occurred between November 14 and 21, 2012. During those eight days more than 30 Palestinian children died in Israeli military attacks.

    Previously, Israeli forces launched a three-week intensive aerial and naval bombing campaign and ground invasion in the Gaza Strip, dubbed Operation Cast Lead, on December 27, 2008. At least 353 children were killed and a further 860 injured during the military offensive.

    Both Israeli military offensives were characterized by disproportionate force directed at government and civilian infrastructure, residential neighborhoods, and individual civilians. The stated objective of each operation was to end rocket attacks into Israel by Palestinian armed groups.

    http://dci-palestine.org/documents/eight-children-killed-israeli-airstrikes-over-gaza

  383. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 11:19 am

  384. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 11:26 am

    Beaters, dogs and toffs assemble for the turkey shoot. Or is it the fish barrel shoot? Hard to tell.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/video-israel-defense-force-mobilises-a-mass-force-to-gaza-border-30415479.html

  385. “Elizabeth Butler-Sloss was chosen by the home secretary to head the inquiry into allegations of historical abuse.”

    She was Chairman of the Security Commission prior to its abolition in 2010.[citation needed]

    The Security Commission looks interesting. Its Wikipedia page is just a stub, but contains an interesting list:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Commission

    [...]
    February 2000

    Lord Lloyd of Berwick
    Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss
    Sir John Foley
    Sir Clive Whitmore

    Breaches of security which may have occurred arising out of the case of Chief Petty Officer Steven Hayden, convicted under the Official Secrets Act 1989 Cm. 4578

    May 2004

    Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss
    Sir Charles Mantell
    Sir John Goulden
    Sir Iain Vallance

    To review vetting of those who join or belong to the Royal Households, those working closely with them, or who otherwise gain access to Royal residences Cm. 6177

    This woman appears to be an establishment insider.

  386. The old girl (she’s 80 in the shade) is not for going!

    Butler-Sloss: I won’t quit inquiry
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28225043

    I switched off PMQs. It was a rabble. Agent Cameron gets them to copy his shouting ‘No’.

  387. A flock of geese downed the US helicopter which crashed on the Norfolk coast.

    Poor birds. Minding their own business and along comes this horrible machine (which had been practicing killing people) and minces them all up.

  388. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 1:32 pm

    32 Palestinians killed in Gaza.

    Remember: 3 Jewish teenagers = 300 Palestinians (the one burnt alive by civilians doesn’t count)

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0709/629478-gaza-israel/

    And counting.

    Kudos to Jordan, which has done what the Quartet’s extremely well-paid jetsetting envoy has not yet bestirred himself (or dared) to do:

    Jordan, one of just two Arab countries to have signed a peace treaty with Israel, has demanded an immediate halt to deadly Israeli air raids against Gaza.

    Government spokesman Mohammad Momani said that the raids that killed more than 20 Palestinians in purported response to rocket fire that has killed no one in Israel were “barbaric”.

    Jordan “condemns the military aggression that Israel has launched in the Gaza Strip” and calls for “its immediate halt”, Mr Momani said.

    He said the “barbaric aggression” had “negative repercussions on the Gaza Strip and the whole region”.

  389. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Sir Michael Havers:

    “…intervened three times between 1981 and 1983 to stop the investigation and exposure of Establishment paedophiles, and to prevent the publication of stories which showed that Establishment figures were members of the Paedophile Information Exchange.””
    __________________________

    Thank you for that information, Doug.

    You go on to give some detail on the 1981 affair concerning Sir Peter Heyman and MP Geoffrey Dickens.

    You said “intervened three times between 1981 and 1983.Could you also supply us with some chapter and verse for the two other times you allude to? I assume that Havers did not intervene another two times on the same Heyman affair. What were the other two times about?

    Thank you.

  390. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 2:16 pm

    Mary

    “Poor birds. Minding their own business and along comes this horrible machine (which had been practicing killing people) and minces them all up.”
    ___________________

    Regrettable indeed; I love birds.

    But this is life (or in this case, death).

    It is not entirely unknown for planes to collide with other planes.

    “Poor birds. Minding their own business and along come these horrible cats (which had been practicing killing mice) and eat them all up.”

  391. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 2:26 pm

    Re the latest operation over Gaza:

    Is it conceivable that Hamas, which controls Gaza, might think it a good idea to ensure that rockets are not fired towards Israel?

    Which would presumably make it more difficult for Israel to justify “pounding” Gaza?

    I think the answer must be yes.

    Given that

    -these rocket attacks are of no military value (we are continually being told that they are crude home-made devices which tend to land in the desert and cause no Israeli casualties)

    - Hamas or whoever launches them should by now know that such firings invite stern reprisals

    is it conceivable that they continue to be fired from time to time precisely in order to invite military reprisals as a means of keeping tensions high?

    That would be very callous and cynical of Hamas or whoever launches them, wouldn’t it.

    Just askin’.

  392. ” Poor birds. Minding their own business and along comes this horrible machine (which had been practicing killing people) and minces them all up. ”

    At the risk of being called pedantic again the helicopter was on a search and rescue exercise so it was practicing saving life, not taking it.

    Awaiting the predictable reaction of the paranoid conspiracy junkies convinced the crash was a false flag “psy-op”.

  393. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 2:31 pm

    Finally, some more drips from the massive files. It is comprehensive and outrageous, but sparing so far.

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/07/09/under-surveillance/

    “According to documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, the list of Americans monitored by their own government includes:

    • Faisal Gill, a longtime Republican Party operative and one-time candidate for public office who held a top-secret security clearance and served in the Department of Homeland Security under President George W. Bush;

    • Asim Ghafoor, a prominent attorney who has represented clients in terrorism-related cases;

    • Hooshang Amirahmadi, an Iranian-American professor of international relations at Rutgers University;

    • Agha Saeed, a former political science professor at California State University who champions Muslim civil liberties and Palestinian rights;

    • Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the largest Muslim civil rights organization in the country.

  394. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 2:36 pm

    Clark

    “Habbabkuk, 8 Jul, 7:19 pm:

    “The man [Brian Haw] was a demented, obsessive leech”

    Please explain why you think these three things.”
    ____________________

    Oh, having been inspired by the splendid example offered by sundry Excellences on this blog over the years, I just thought it would be interesting to experience what it feels like to sling a little mud around at a public figure.

    And I must admit it felt quite pleasant and I’m beginning to understand why the Eminences do it all the time.

    Good enough for you, Clark? :)

  395. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 2:39 pm

    California Ben

    “comprehensive” and “sparing so far” – simultaneously?

    Have you been bogarting that joint again?

  396. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 2:41 pm

    Whoops! Top of the page again!

    Sorry, Mary, I didn’t mean to, honest!

    But feel free to comment! :)

  397. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 2:44 pm

  398. Incontinent again I see.

    ~~~

    Not chastened in any way about the comment on Brian Haw. Vile.

  399. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 2:53 pm

    Tweedledum and Tweedledee are mirror images of one another, reintroducing the theme of inversion. With the exception of their names, the two little fat men are identical in looks, manner, and stance. They exhibit perfect symmetry, standing together with their arms around each other, so that when they extend their free hands they each reflect the other’s body position. Their conversation also displays a symmetrical position designated by Tweedledee’s favorite expression, “contrariwise.” “Contrariwise” functions as a transitional word that flips the premise of the conversation. Tweedledee usually addresses the other side of whatever Tweedledum just said.

  400. Believe what you like Kempe.

    It was practising low flying manoeuvres. Some say it had been firing live rounds at sea at targets.

    Carrying live ammunition. Some probably DU tipped hence the sealing off and the scare stuff with Norfolk plods in attendance.

    ‘Pave-Hawk helicopters are used by the US military for special operations in war zones. They are not heavily armed but are equipped with rapid fire machine guns and are used in special operations.’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/10557518/Helicopter-crash-four-killed-on-US-military-training-mission-in-north-Norfolk.html

    Sounds just like one of those Air Sea Rescue helicopters that Prince Will I Am has been flying doesn’t it?

    He has landed a P/T job (hence depriving another of the job) as an Air Ambulance pilot. Such caring people our royals. They would never think of becoming arms salesmen or piloting a helicopter gunship in Afghanistan to hunt down the people and kill them.

  401. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 3:13 pm

    ““I was a very conservative, Reagan-loving Republican,” said one of the targets, Faisal Gill. “If somebody like me could be surveilled, then [there are] other people out there I can only imagine who are under surveillance.”

    “I went to school here as a fourth grader – learned about the Revolutionary War, learned about individual rights, Thomas Jefferson, all these things,” he told The Intercept. “That is ingrained in you – your privacy is important. And to have that basically invaded for no reason whatsoever – for the fact that I didn’t do anything – I think that’s troubling. And I think that certainly goes to show how we need to shape policy differently than it is right now.”

    CAIR’s Nihad Awad used stronger language to describe his feelings about being targeted and spoke specifically about how the Muslim community has been treated in the U.S. in recent years.

    “I’m outraged as an American citizen that my government, after decades of civil rights struggle, still spies on political activists and civil right activists and leaders,” he said. “I’m really angry that despite all the work that we have been doing in our communities to serve the nation, we are treated with suspicion.”

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/07/09

  402. Thanks Ben for the link from Indymedia Ireland. It is an excellent site run by Miriam Cotton from memory. Mountbatten was notorious.
    http://gayinfluence.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/lord-mountbatten.html

    I have been listening to this speech Gerry Conlon (one of the Guildford Four) made in November last year. It was on the same site.

    It is the most passionate and moving speech I have ever heard. It moved me to tears. He speaks without notes and has amazing recall for the facts and the names. Michael Havers’ name comes up incidentally.

    He died earlier this year sadly. His body was broken but his spirit was not

    RIP Gerry Conlon. We are very sorry for what was done to you and are ashamed. You will not be forgotten for your search for truth and justice. The latter was denied to you of course. Quite wicked.

  403. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    43 and counting (source, RTE)

    Video of the response from the Office of the Quartet Representative:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA

    …and with music…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARgDDNsaItI

  404. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    Mary; I knew about his preference but didn’t know he was a pedo. When he was killed by the IRA, I thought it was symbolic of something else, but Kincora, Ireland comes into play

  405. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    “Incontinent again I see.”
    ______________

    Because of my three posts in a row, Mary?

    And who was it who posted at 14h49, 14h58 and 15h29 – three times within 40 minutes?

    Why, I do believe it was……you!

    Incontinent?

  406. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 3:56 pm

    “Prince Will I Am has been flying doesn’t it?

    He has landed a P/T job (hence depriving another of the job) as an Air Ambulance pilot.”
    _______________________

    Incontinence – another of Mary’s pissy but above all, silly comments.

    When a Royal does a useful job, Mary sneers that he’s taking away someone else’s job.

    When a Royal does nothing, Mary accuses him of being a parasite.

    You really have no self-awareness at all, do you, Mary.

  407. “Official documents recording flights in and out of Diego Garcia, the British Indian Ocean Territory where the United States is accused of carrying out ‘extraordinary rendition’ of terror suspects, have been destroyed by water damage.”

    (and if you believe that you’ll believe anything)

    http://order-order.com/2014/07/09/foreign-office-rendition-files-destroyed-by-water-damage/

    link tweeted by Clive Stafford Smith who remarks, “Dog ate my homework excuse (again)”

  408. The mass killing war criminals that call themselves the Israeli Government are as predictable as they are obscene, expect the most intensive phase of the current killing spree to be during the weekend, as the World’s attention will be diverted by the climax of the World Cup, just like the World’s attention was diverted at the start of Cast Lead by the inauguration of Obama.

  409. Brian Haw was a great man, like a modern Stylite; he had guts, integrity, passion, moral purity and humanity. I’m grateful to him for the stand that he took, and for so visibly articulating our moral outrage right under the noses of the warmongers. RIP matey.

  410. “Official documents…have been destroyed by water damage”

    “and if you believe that you’ll believe anything”

    There’s a good chance the statement is wholly accurate. If you chucked a load of documents into the sea they’d suffer water damage and be destroyed.

  411. “There’s a good chance the statement is wholly accurate. If you chucked a load of documents into the sea they’d suffer water damage and be destroyed.”

    :D

    I take the point

  412. Macky Cast Lead (that horror) ‘ended’ on January 18th. Obomber became the president on January 20th. Remember all that ‘hope and change’ nonsense? It’s all got worse.

  413. “In the approximately nine hours since this post was originally published, the casualty count in Gaza has reached forty Palestinians killed since Tuesday morning. Al-Akhbar English has published a list provided by the health ministry in Gaza with the names of the victims.

    “Among those killed, thirteen were aged sixteen or younger. The youngest victim, eighteen-month-old Mohammed Malakiyeh, was killed along with his 27-year-old mother. The oldest victim, eighty-year-old Naifeh Farjallah, was killed in an air strike on the town of Moghraqa, southwest of Gaza City,” Al-Akhbar reports.”

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/eight-children-killed-israeli-warplanes-relentlessly-bomb-gaza-photos

  414. MJ & Dreoilin

    Ha ha yes, and if you accidentally threw a load of compromising documents on the fire, they would sustain fire damage, right?

  415. Mary; “Obomber became the president on January 20th”

    I distinctly remember the World’s attention being focus on something happening in the US iro Obama, and many people remarked at the time how this wasn’t the first time the Israelis had lunched a mass murder spree while the something major was just occurring elsewhere.

  416. ‘Because of my three posts in a row, Mary?’ Habbakuk.

    No actually six posts within a half hour from 2.12pm but of no matter. None of them are of interest nor contain anything useful to the community here.

  417. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 6:08 pm

    Mary

    “None of them are of interest nor contain anything useful to the community here.”
    ___________________

    The first part of the above is merely your opinion (although perhaps shared by some of your fellow Eminences) and as for the second part, I feel that occasionally questioning and highlighting foolishness is, actually, quite useful (althiugh an arduous undertaking given the people who post here).

    Medical question to you : is it your opinion that all commenters who post a lot are incontinent? What does your GP say?

  418. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    9 Jul, 2014 - 6:15 pm

    You are piece of shit habbakuk. Brian Haw had more stature in his little finger than you creep could ever wish for or achieve.

    Bad mouthing principled people will not get you anywhere chum. Gald to see all your posts here, you must be eager to swing your sorry arse to the DTRH fair.
    Just show yourselfs up and you’ll get an extra treat for being a coward and a shit.

  419. Perhaps I was abstracted Macky. There were so many demos, marches and protests at the time and someone I know was caught up in it but thankfully got home alive unlike the 1,400 Palestinians who were killed.

    Can you imagine if roles were reversed and the Palestinians killed that number of Israelis?

    The conflict resulted in between 1,166 and 1,417 Palestinian and 13 Israeli deaths (4 from friendly fire)

    Total killed: 1,417 (PCHR)
    Total wounded: 5,303
    Total captured: 120

  420. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:47 pm

    NebelMind

    “Just show yourselfs up and you’ll get an extra treat for being a coward and a shit.”
    ____________________

    Good old Ingo, in threatening mode once again.

    Get your jackboots on and your rubber truncheon polished, you Teutonic twit.

  421. How did the current Vicount Verulam (and the 5 before him) end up with a title originally that of Sir Francis Bacon?

  422. “How did the current Vicount Verulam (and the 5 before him) end up with a title originally that of Sir Francis Bacon?”

    Bacon was Baron Verulam, Viscount St Albans. Maybe not the same thing.

  423. Dreoilin
    9 Jul, 2014 – 9:07 am

    “Of course not. And he didn’t offer to meet me in London. That was Villager.”

    Invitation happily renewed. It would be a pleasure to have a coffee and conversation with one of the more graceful commenters here.

    Not being judgmental about my other fellow humans here. There is always the capacity of a meeting ground with another, provided they are not drunk on power or alcohol. Sadly of for the most part what we see is more conflict and divisiveness. This is a fact of the present state of human consciousness and as the trend of CM’s posts show, it is set to get worse before, if at all, they get better.

    Life is beautiful but insecurity and violence, in all its forms, is everywhere.

    So:

    ” This beauty walks on hard nails
    Sanity walks on a razor’s edge
    But its truth alone that matters
    Sitting pretty on this lethal ledge”

    (Copyright © 2014)

  424. @Mary, I think you might have been distracted when you wrote you were abstracted when you were in fact distracted ! :)

    I jest, but with the mass murder going on in Gaza right now, I feel very disconsolate; in fact I’m in no mood to tolerate the resident vile apologists for the Israeli mass murderers, they make me feel unclean to even address them, so time for another time-out for me.

    You Mary, fortunately are made of sterner stuff, and you are the one that word “tenacious” applies to best :)

  425. Mackey.

    “I feel very disconsolate; in fact I’m in no mood to tolerate the resident vile apologists for the Israeli mass murderers, they make me feel unclean to even address them, so time for another time-out for me.”

    I missed your posts and I’m sad it seems I’m going to miss them again.

    Of course anyone who comes across Dad’s droppings soon feels unclean. The man swims around in a sewage lagoon of his own making. He only hoses these comment strands with filth because all too often they expose the indefensible obscenities perpetrated by his masters. I regard his insults as an indication that the conversation is on the right track.

    I’d love you to consider taking a Habbabreak so you can continue adding to insightful conversations that fluorish here despite the wreckers.

    Whatever you decide I wish you well and hope you return soon.

  426. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    10 Jul, 2014 - 1:50 am

    Macky

    I second what Sophia said, but with an added suggestion – just ignore him, it’s what he hates most!

  427. Who wrote the odd ode? Krishnamurti? It’s like a bad dream revisited seeing the name of that poster crop up. Been lurking obviously.

    ‘ The news regarding Krishnamurti and the World Teacher were not universally welcome by Theosophists and led to upheavals in the Society; Lutyens (1983a), pp. 15–19, 40, 56. Part of the controversy was Leadbeater’s role. He had a history of being in the company of young boys–pupils under his spiritual and Theosophical instruction–and there was gossip concerning child abuse, although no accusations were ever proven.’
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

    Sounds like we should be on the Elm Guest House thread!

  428. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 8:47 am

    How did the current Vicount Verulam (and the 5 before him) end up with a title originally that of Sir Francis Bacon?

    When you have paid sufficient money and compliments to the party in power, you are asked what you want to be called after your visit to Buckingham Palace. Your new style refers, preferably, to a place you are associated with or have some particular interest in. For instance, if Tony ever becomes eligible for a peerage – which will involve a lot more financial transparency on his part – he might style himself Lord Blair of Tel Aviv.

    The Earldom of Verulam incorporates the title Viscount Grimston and technically there is no such thing as the Viscount Verulam per se.

  429. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 8:50 am

    Bacon was the First Earl St. Alban, not Verulam. The Verulam title was created separately, and later. Possibly it was shosen because St. Alban was already taken.

  430. Don’t you dare go Macky! ;)

  431. “.. I might fairly say that the vibe is very much in line with the kind of unconstrained intellectual space promoted on this blog.”

    Hah! Ignoring the periodic crackdowns and purges of unwelcome dissent, however benign. Sometimes I wonder if Craig knows how this blog is moderated after the first page.

  432. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    Another gem from Macky, perhaps set into the OBN:

    “You Mary, fortunately are made of sterner stuff,..”

    ________________

    as evidenced by her reaction at the merest hint of criticism from Dreoilin, Baal,…etc. LOL.

    (But I agree with the “tenacious” bit, in the same way that a donkey is tenacious)

    And now Macky, my friend, bugger off the Squonk again with your “discosolate” self!

  433. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 6:22 pm

    Node

    “just ignore him, it’s what he hates most!”
    ___________________

    On the contrary, dear boy – in the vast majority if cases I see it as evidence that Eminences and Useful Idiots are lost for an answer or are unwilling to admit that they have posted nonsense, distortions or untruths.

    Furthermore, the important point is that uncommitted visitors (as opposed to the twenty or so diehard “commenters”) see what I have to say; if they also notice the absence of replies or reactions, well, that’s a bonus as far as I’m concerned. Sorry!

  434. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 6:31 pm

    And from the Celtic Poetaster, in somewhat purple prose:

    “He only hoses these comment strands with filth because all too often they expose the indefensible obscenities perpetrated by his masters.”
    _______________________

    Well, the threads, don’t really “expose” very much, given that most comments are mere cut-and-pastes from other blogs and sources, including the MSM, and most of the rest expose no more than the commenters’ own pychological dis-ease (to be kind).

    ************************

  435. The troll’s contributions at the end of this thread and the following two threads are all predictable, formulaic and tedious.

  436. Well I suppose that I qualify as a “Visitor” if not exactly an uncommitted one. As to what you have to say-it is largely mainstream conventionalist bollox mixed with Ad Hominem. To be kind,I guess it impresses casual visitors as little as it has impressed me. Sorry!

  437. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 7:33 pm

    “The troll’s contributions at the end of this thread and the following two threads are all predictable, formulaic and tedious.”
    __________________________

    As are the Bitch’s ever more frantic cut-and-pastes about Gaza.

    **********************

    Habbabkuk says : get the terrorist before he gets you: you know it’s the right thing to do.

  438. My posts obviously constitute a threat to the troll. Too strong for him to counter and because of my support for the Palestinians, the reason why I have been targeted and insulted by him for nearly three years, come November.

    In other words consider it a badge of honour for me.

    Free Palestine! From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!

  439. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Jul, 2014 - 12:23 am

    Mary

    “My posts obviously constitute a threat to the troll. Too strong for him to counter”

    _____________________

    Dream on, Mary. Your sense of entitlement and lack of self-awareness never ceases to amaze me.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~==

    “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!”

    _____________________

    Is that your pastiche of the old “throw the Jews into the sea”?

    ******************

    Question à propos of nothing in particular : do posters on Stormfront have a little shrine dedicated to A.H. in a corner of their homes?

  440. It is evident that there is so little love in the hearts of the trolls.

    If this blog survives to be read by the next generation, whatever will they think of the posts of Habbakuk and the others trolls here. The trolls should think on and moderate their outpourings of hate, lies and distortions.

  441. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    12 Jul, 2014 - 9:00 pm

    I don’t need truncheons or any implements to floor your sorry arse, you poor little academic.
    As for calling me by my name, which is very much known anyway, good on you to recognise what you are dealing with, scum, I have nothing to hide unlike you, appearing here under some bumsucking moniker spreading your bile and narrow minded ideas in support of the zionist Nazi’s that have diverted Britains foreing policy.

    You could be a traitor, but you ain’t got class, a pennyfogger and purile ccyberstalker. At least the Cambridge lot were drinking alcoholics, but you?…….

  442. Thanks MJ

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