So Soon Forgotten

by craig on July 9, 2014 3:33 pm in Uncategorized

The BBC has … started its news broadcast as usual from Ashkelon in Israel, highlighting rocket attacks on Israel. There is no mention on the BBC – there has never been any mention on the BBC, or anywhere in the Western mainstream media – that for at least 4,000 years Ashkelon was an Arab town, until in 1948 the entire, Arab population of 12,000 was driven out by armed force, many being massacred. Doubtless some older inhabitants of Gaza are refugees whose home is Ashkelon.

Israel is exercising its right of self-defence in precisely the same sense that Hitler was exercising the right of self-defence in Normandy in 1944 – ie not at all. Why the world puts up with this blatant ethnic cleansing and prolonged, agonizing genocide of the Palestinian people, I have no idea. It is not just about bombs and rockets and deaths now. It is about the shepherds being pushed out of their village in 2012 as part of the same process as the massacre of Ashkelon in 1948, all a process of genocide of the Palestinians in which Obama, Clinton, Cameron and Hague, as two whole generations of western politicians before them, are actively complicit.

I blogged this on 21 November 2012. Today every single BBC News bulletin leads with precisely the same trick, from precisely the same stolen Arab village. There is evidently a BBC policy to bias coverage of massacre in Gaza by basing it in the stolen town of Ashkelon. Every single BBC news programme is led by a report of the terror of people in Ashkelon at the rocket attacks which have killed and maimed – precisely nobody. There is then a brief “balancing” mention of the continual bombing of Gaza, which sometimes does and sometimes does not mention that at least 25 people have been killed, and hundreds maimed. Of the five reports I have seen, not one has mentioned that many of the Palestinian dead are women and children (although I once saw it on the strapline underneath). Rather the BBC says that “the Israeli government states it is targeting militants and weapons factories”.

The time given to the attacks on Palestine is abut 25% of that given to the rocket attacks on Israel. The coverage is also very different – we see human interest coverage of Israelis hiding from rockets in cafes. There is nothing remotely similar of the Palestinians under infinitely more deadly attack. There was one showing of funeral footage from Gaza, not of any of the women or children killed but of someone the BBC told us was simply a “militant”.

It is so blatant it is absolutely sickening. There are decent people I know in the BBC. Why do they put up with this?

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205 Comments

  1. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    “There was one showing of funeral footage from Ghana,..”
    _________

    Typo : Gaza.

    I may (or not) make some comments later.

  2. Thanks, corrected

  3. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 3:50 pm

    43 dead as reported by RTE in last half hour, Craig. Thanks for putting this up.

    No-one dead in Israel yet, though some play has been made of someone’s wedding being interrupted.

    And no comment from the Quartet representative yet. Despite (noting his professed desire to enhance the Palestinian economy) Israel’s increased constraints on what can be let into Gaza. Like, not fuel. Or the continuing export ban.

  4. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 4:04 pm

    There are decent people I know in the BBC. Why do they put up with this?

    Because decent people are rigorously excluded from making policy, perhaps.

    Relevant, I think. You may not like this messenger, but the facts check out-

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/apologists-israel-take-top-posts-bbc/12395

    James Harding, Director of News and Current Affairs, on £340K + exes.

  5. Gaza Poem

    Locked in,
    Trapped and herded,
    A captive target tightens
    Beneath the Cruellest Storm.
    Death raining down
    From land sea and sky,
    Raking the jailed, dead.

  6. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 4:16 pm

    There is, I think, another dimension to this. ISIS are on the Iraq-Jordan border, and have been reported as intending to include Jordan in their area of operations. Israel may have in mind reducing the problem of Palestinian militancy before the shitstorm hits its east side. There may be some very strange alliances made, and I wouldn’t altogether rule out Hizb’ullah joining in.

  7. “CFI (Conservative Friends of Israel) works to promote its twin aims of supporting Israel and promoting Conservatism. With close to 2,000 activists as members – alongside 80% of Tory MPs – CFI is active at every level of the Party.
    http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/AboutCFI/Whatwedo/

    A list of Labour Friends of Israel
    http://www.lfi.org.uk/lfi-supporters-in-parliament/

    Even though Ed Miliband’s name is not on that list he still has an interest:
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/119916/miliband-warms-hearts-labour-friends

    The BBC is the British State Broadcaster. It’s just following the line set by the Government and Opposition.

  8. Taub was on BBC News earlier with that strange whining voice. Usual stuff. ‘If Hamas won’t stop, we will make them.’ He said it with menace.

    Then Manuel Hassassian the Palestinian Ambassador came on mucg to my surprise. Much more polished and confident than in his earlier days. He would not be put off by the presenter Ms Gosling (husband Craig Oliver – Coulson’s replacement at No 10) and her repetitions about the rockets. He would only deal with the occupation and the daily oppression of 4.8m Palestinians. Good for him. Fluent too which helps as the BBC are inclined to have Palestinian spokespersons on whose English cannot be easily understood.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Hassassian

    Susan Abulhawa got the ‘treatment’ from the Sky presenter this morning. She was hardly allowed to say anything without interruptions. She is a lovely woman. I have met her. She does a lot for the Palestinian cause in and from America.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Abulhawa

    No links and not on iPlayer of course.

  9. Pierluigi Vernetto

    9 Jul, 2014 - 4:27 pm

    Yes and I also believe that Hamas must be either very stupid or very… Israeli Agents by sending always those harmless rockets who justify retaliation from Israel.

    Besides not a single time I’ve heard reports of rocket launchers being hit, despite all the satellite coverage which should make it very easy to spot.

    But that’s it, no investigation at all is done on the identity and nature of those attackers. The real terrorists are never caught by fire, only harmless civilians or political leaders.

  10. Miliband has more than an interest in Zionist Israel Doug the Dog. Listen to what he had to say on his recent visit there with his wife.

    I think he is bound to be a member of LFoI.

    The LDs have such a grouping too. There is a very fervent vice president called Monroe Palmer, now elevated to the peerage!

    http://ldfi.org.uk/
    http://ldfi.org.uk/the-committee/

    Are they flames or feathers coming out of the star of David? LOL

  11. First comment.

    ‘I may (or not) make some comments later.’

    Stating the obvious there!

  12. …she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, ‘just to keep people frightened’. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him.

    George Orwell 1984 Chapter 2

  13. Pierluigi

    I agree it is an utterly stupid tactic by Hamas. But I think the simplest explanation is that, like almost all political “leaders”, they are more interested in enhancing their own power than doing good for the ordinary people.

  14. As Taub said.

    9 July 2014
    Israel ‘to intensify Gaza attacks’

    Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to “further intensify attacks on Hamas” in the Gaza Strip after talks with his defence chiefs.

    He said the Palestinian militants would “pay a heavy price” for their rocket attacks on Israel.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28233135

  15. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 4:58 pm

    Well, there is some awareness in the Israeli press…. http://www.jta.org/2014/07/08/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/beating-of-palestinian-american-teen-another-black-eye-for-israel

    Disproportionate Gaza retribution is above the parapet in the US for once as the boy was a US citizen.

  16. Beyond odious as the Israeli regime is, the lack of action or meaningful support from fellow Muslims in the Middle East (with the exception for example of Hezbollah) and elsewhere is nauseating. If the Arab (Islamic) world really wanted an end to the suffering inflicted on the benighted Palestinians, for whom they pledge such “sympathy” they could make it happen, but the horrible bastards want to preserve their own dynastic heritage and will do anything for anyone to keep themselves and their inbred spawn in power for the rest of time. Deeply depressing.

  17. “Israel may have in mind reducing the problem of Palestinian militancy before the shitstorm hits its east side. There may be some very strange alliances made, and I wouldn’t altogether rule out Hizb’ullah joining in”

    Shouldn’t rule out the ISIS/Israel alliance either.

  18. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 5:12 pm

    MJ; ISIS or ISIL may be largely responsible and Palestians are Sunni.

    http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2014/07/isis-in-gaza-hamas-losing-control.html

    “Hamas seems to be losing control of the dozens of terror cells in the Gaza Strip.”

  19. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 5:14 pm

    Craig

    “I agree it is an utterly stupid tactic by Hamas. But I think the simplest explanation is that, like almost all political “leaders”, they are more interested in enhancing their own power than doing good for the ordinary people.”
    ________________

    I’d agree with both of your points.

    Since attention has switched from the previous thread to this new one, perhaps I might be allowed to re-post a comment I made on the previous one, ie:

    “Is it conceivable that Hamas, which controls Gaza, might think it would be a good idea to ensure that rockets are not fired towards Israel?

    Which would presumably make it more difficult for Israel to justify “pounding” Gaza?

    I think the answer must be yes.

    Given that

    -these rocket attacks are of no military value (we are continually being told that they are crude home-made devices which tend to land in the desert and cause no Israeli casualties)

    - Hamas or whoever launches them should by now know that such firings invite stern reprisals

    is it conceivable that they continue to be fired from time to time precisely in order to invite military reprisals as a means of keeping tensions high?

    That would be very callous and cynical of Hamas, wouldn’t it.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Perhaps more later if Mary (cf. 16h33) will allow it.

  20. Perhaps Elm House and the shameful failure of western ‘free’ press coverage of israeli atrocities are not entirely unrelated.

  21. We all, not just good people at the BBC, put up with this crap because we have found no way to stop it.

    Assassinations, covert operations, ‘false flag’ missions, man-made disasters and the like go on unabated because we have no way to stop them, no matter how much we try by complaining.

  22. From within the belly of the beast.

    Cultures of Hate
    Israelis, not Palestinians, Excel at Vengeance

    by Jonathan Cook / July 9th, 201

    Shock and anger have engulfed Israeli and Palestinian societies since they learnt last week of the barbarous murder of children from their communities. Hours after three Israeli teenagers’ bodies were located, long after their abduction, a Palestinian youth, Mohammed Abu Khdeir, was kidnapped, beaten and burnt to death, apparently as revenge.

    These horrifying events should serve as a lesson in the obscene futility of vengeance. As a relative of one of the murdered children observed: “There is no difference between blood and blood.”

    Sadly, that was not the message implicit in much of last week’s coverage. On social media, a juxtaposition of pictures from the same day’s New York Times showed how easy it is to forget not only that our blood is the same but that grief is too.

    [..]
    As Human Rights Watch warned, Israel’s recent actions – mass arrests; armed raids; the killing of Palestinians, including minors; lockdowns of cities, house demolitions; and air strikes – amounted to “collective punishment”, international law’s euphemism for revenge, against Palestinians.

    In the face of the enduring violence of Israel’s occupation, and the licence it provides soldiers to humiliate and oppress, ordinary Palestinians have a stark choice: to submit or resist. Ordinary Israelis, on the other hand, do not need to seek revenge on their own account. The Israeli state, military and courts are there every day doing it for them.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/07/cultures-of-hate/

    Jonathan Cook, based in Nazareth, Israel is a winner of the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Pluto Press) and Disappearing Palestine: Israel’s Experiments in Human Despair (Zed Books). Read other articles by Jonathan, or visit Jonathan’s website. http://www.jonathan-cook.net/

  23. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    Mary

    “Jonathan Cook, based in Nazareth, Israel is a winner of the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Pluto Press) and Disappearing Palestine: Israel’s Experiments in Human Despair (Zed Books). Read other articles by Jonathan, or visit Jonathan’s website.”
    ____________________

    This comment is in no way meant to detract from Jonathan Cook’s merits as a journalist, but I do note that he is based in the occupied West Bank and cannot help wondering whether he would be free to write his books and articles and still remain alive and well if he were writing about Russian activities in Dagestan and Chechniya from a Russian town situated in close proximity to those two republics.

    (Yes, I know this is a long shot and barely on topic – but no less so than Notmyrealname’s comment at 17h30, above).

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 6:00 pm

    Alex (17h03)

    That is a fair comment but you err in not including other Arab regimes (other than the monarchies) in your condemnation.

    Must I once again – sigh! – remind readers of the fact that Jordan was happy to hold on to the West Bank from 1949 until 1967 instead of assisting in bronging about the creation of a Palestinian state?

  25. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 6:02 pm

    Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies, of course.

  26. Petitioning BBC Director of News and Current Affairs James Harding and Colleagues

    Highlight the over 1,500 Palestinian Children Killed by Israeli ‘Defence’ Force since 2000, and Restraint and Peacemaking rather than Condoning ‘Inevitable’ Collective Death Sentence!

    An Eye for an Eye and the Whole World will be Blind.

    BBC – British Establishment-Serving Media – loves to tell us how balanced and meticulous at seeking out truth it is. But for those willing to look at the facts and statistics – not made readily available on BBC – the favourable bias afforded to the Israeli government and military is astounding and sickening.

    The recent killings of the three Israeli children are horrific, whoever is proven to be responsible, and should in any sane and fair news provider prompt a balanced look at the history of killings on both sides and a concerted effort to highlight the possible paths to peace available.

    Instead the BBC stands once again firmly on the side of Israeli militarism, which is promising violent retribution, and has failed to highlight the herd of elephants in the newsroom: over 1,500 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli attacks since 2000, 1 Palestinian child killed every 3 days, yet Israel with BBC support still places itself in the role of the unique victim in BBC and mainstream reporting!

    /..
    https://www.change.org/petitions/bbc-director-of-news-and-current-affairs-james-harding-and-colleagues-highlight-the-over-1-500-palestinian-children-killed-by-israeli-defence-force-since-2000-and-restraint-and-peacemaking-rather-than-condoning-inevitable-collective-death-sentence

  27. Jonathan Cook married a Palestinian. Find out what life is like in Nazareth. Write to him.

    ~~~

    Ten bloody years.

    In the SpotlIght: 10 Years since the International Court of Justice (ICJ) Advisory Opinion | July 2014

    Highlights

    On 9 July 2004, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) issued an Advisory Opinion on the Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the occupied Palestinian territory. The ICJ stated that the sections of the Barrier route which run inside the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, together with the associated gate and permit regime, violated Israel’s obligations under international law, and should be dismantled.

    Ten years on, 62 per cent of the Barrier has been constructed, including 200 kilometres since the ICJ Advisory Opinion. This report summarizes the continuing humanitarian impact of the Barrier on Palestinian rural and urban communities.

    http://www.ochaopt.org/

    Complete disregard by Israel for any laws, international or otherwise.

  28. Mary – An Eye for an Eye and the Whole World will be Blind.

    An Eye for an Eye is actually an act of restraint – someone takes your eye, you take theirs. But you don’t take two eyes, or a leg or kill them. Would that the Israelis practised an eye for an eye.

    They wouldn’t be killing dozens of Palestinians when recent Gaza rockets haven’t killed anyone. Not that the BBC mentioned that fact. Or the word “occupation” when interviewing the Israeli ambassadeur this morning.

    (BTW Turning the other cheek isn’t what people think it is either. It was a slight or insult.)

  29. I don’t have a TV so I went along to the BBC web site to see what all the fuss is about.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28230391

    Looked factual to me, makes it clear that the rackets are in response to Israeli air attacks.

  30. Sorry, but the Beeb is a cesspit of symbiosis between the cunning Yentobs and the militant Boadens. Both evil forces scratching each others backs (and more). How the Wolf Blitzers and Anderson Coopers get away with shamelessly mouthing ludicrous deceit and illogical dershowitzery at every breath may only be explained as occultic – even satanic. At this rate we will all end up being like the “Kardashian” zombies across the pond, and we havent even started being TSA groped yet ! The Bolsheviks are upon us.

  31. Habbabkuk, 6:02 pm:

    “Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies, of course”

    Yes, “our side”.

    This is why I cannot be proud to be British, and cannot join you in your “Life is Good”.

  32. It is antisemitic to mention the Palestinian dead were women and children.
    It is antisemitic to mention every Jewish only town, city and villiage in Israel was once a Arab town, city or villiage that had all its people killed or expelled.
    That is why the BBC don’t say it.

  33. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:13 pm

    Clark

    “Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies, of course”
    _______________

    That was a clarification of my post at 18h00, which was itself a response to Alex at 17h03 – read both carefully, Clark. I think you’ve misunderstood something.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “This is why I cannot be proud to be British, and cannot join you in your “Life is Good”.”
    _________________

    “Life is good” flows from your personal circumstances and, more importantly, from your personal outlook and is unconnected (in any way that I can see) with your nationality. Why, then, do you link the two things?

  34. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:16 pm

    Onan ( + Moderator)

    Are you the White Knight (and other, subsequent handles) who was banned from here for anti-Semitism (“dershowitzery”, etc…)?

  35. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:17 pm

    Yesterdays magnificent &-1 end to the Brazilian ‘fotbal do bono’ in favour of the german total football approach played here in Europe will rejuvenate team football.

    German players, as individuals, are not football stars who can change the fortune’s of one or other club, but as a team playing together they are absolutely lethal.

    Brazil played lacklustre and without any ideas, they deserved the score. That said it was also good to see the humiliation shown by the German players afterwards in consoling their Brazilian opponents.

    Much thanks must go to the Brazilian who applauded the excellent game Germany played.
    Whether its Holland or Argentina, they best watch out cause this ‘team’ does not want to loose now. My money is on Germany.

  36. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:18 pm

    7-1 it should be.

  37. Yesterday I linked to the testimony of a senior former AlQaida activist against Israel’s responsibility for the terror groups including ISIS and others in Syria.
    http://counterinformation.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/obama-regimes-support-of-al-qaeda-and-isis/

    No-one has commented on that link, even though as a criticism of the leaders of Al Qaida and the whole brutality of the war in Syria and Pakistan/Afghanistan it is one of the most significant breakthroughs against Israeli world-wide terror.

    What is happening in Gaza is terrible, but a shadow of what has been happening at the hands of Israeli terrorism on the MUslim populations elsewhere in recent years.

    Are you still all blinking after the rabbit hole? How can the light that burned so brightly. Suddenly burn so pale? Senior
    Muslims are starting to speak against the sulphuric acid of Israeli, Pakistani, Libyan etc and Saudi terror in Syria.

  38. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    Mary

    “Jonathan Cook married a Palestinian. Find out what life is like in Nazareth. Write to him.”
    ________________

    I’m aware of that, Mary.

    My point – which you of course ignore – is that if he were in Russia reporting on Russian actions in Dagestan and Chechniya he’d be dead by now.

    The Russian state would have bumped him off. Whereas he is alive and well in Nazareth, under Israeli occupation, and free to write whatever he pleases.

  39. There are decent people I know in the BBC. Why do they put up with this?

    How decent can one be while putting up with propaganda for genocide?

  40. As you are serving behind the bar (sorry I’m a bit out of phase) at the Whistleblower’s Arms – at the Doune the Rabbit Hole Festival from 22 to 24 August at Cardross, Port of Menteith….

    The hashtag takes me back well into the distant past…when things actually worked..and We actually worked hard…writing stuff…techie stuff…sure sometimes the stuff we wrote was very quick and dirty and very poorly documented…but it worked…sometimes exceptionally well…

    Today next to F#c*ik All worked…

    Yes…a very nice location…and the Chef could cook…

    The staff were all very polite..and to everyone’s amazement…they were actually English…No Really….

    I won’t go into the details…except just to mention…a lot of people around us politely got very annoyed…and after waiting for up two two hours…simply gave up and walked out…even though they had paid up front…after waiting in a queue…just to get a drink and place an order…for…well rather a long time…

    But it was a nice location…and the weather was fine…and eventually rather than being annoyed…I found the chaos quite funny….

    I thought well…I will take a few photos and maybe write a few things…My wife said…you are not doing that…under my Facebook account…absolutely no way…I did of course ask first..cos I am like that…though I very rarely use Facebook…

    So I thought, O.K…I will log out…and do it under my own name…Yes I still have an account…even though Facebook told me…that someone from the USA had been trying to log on to it under my name…and thought it probably wasn’t me…cos well..they had probably sussed that I do not work for either the NSA or the CIA…

    So I tried to log out… I succeeded in doing this only a few weeks ago..in Spain…but since then…Facebook has removed the logout function from Android phones..or it seemed to me they had…I couldn’t find it anywhere…

    So I thought I would be clever…and try everything I could to crash Facebook, remove data…almost everything except throw the phone very hard against a brick wall…Then I tried a google search…I tried what was suggested 3 months ago….but they had even changed that..so that you could no longer log out of Facebook…I thought this is silly…I’m supposed to be having a nice meal in a nice location…

    Now I have got home (obviously sober)…don’t be silly you can’t get drunk at that rate of service…I have found out the only most obscure way to log out of Facebook on an Android phone…that so far as I can tell…has not yet been documented…

    I do realise why Facebook has done this…but why did the Pub fire all their staff two days ago…to replace them with a new bunch…without even a manager to teach them the basics….

    I guess it has something to do with “WORK EXPERIENCE”…commonly called Slave Labour…at this rate the poor kids aren’t even going to get any tips…though of course they can at least eat and get drunk.

    My wife can’t sing for toffee..but even she started on Hotel California..You can Checkout any Time You Like…But You Can Never Leave…

    And then I thought of The ENGLISH SLAVES again…

    This is only their Second Day…and they Will have to do The Evening Shift Now Too…

    All For Free

    Disclaimer…My Daughter worked her way through 4 years at University…doing this kind of work…She learnt how to do it on a second visit with her schoolfriend, and her Mum and Dad and brother..in Kefalonia…when she was 15. (We took our Kid’s Friends on Holiday with Us Too).

    But After Her Work Experience…which she did on holiday at a Very Family Greek Place For Free…

    She Got Paid…She learnt all the Skills There.

    Be nice to the Barmaid.

    Tony

  41. Death toll rises as Israel bombing intensifies
    Israel steps up strikes from air and sea, leaving at least 38 people reportedly dead and many more injured in Gaza, as Hamas fires rockets deep into Israel.
    http://www.channel4.com/news/gaza-israel-airstrikes-dead-rockets-hamas

    http://bcove.me/cheoghor video shown on tonight’s Channel 4 News

  42. 7.20pm Don’t be so asinine.

  43. “ISIS or ISIL may be largely responsible and Palestians are Sunni”

    As if that has anything to do with it. If ISIS genuinely wanted to harm US/EU/Israeli interests it would take over the Iraqi oilfields, currently controlled by the multinationals.

  44. “There are decent people I know in the BBC. Why do they put up with this?”

    Salary, career, the club and coke are much more important than dead women and kids.

    I’d have thought that all the history we have of this phenomenon would have made the answer obvious.

    It’s clear too that many “decent” people looked away as kids were raped and buggered to a political agenda, and even now they’re engaged in another cover up.

    There’s nothing decent about them. Never was. Never will be.

  45. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:41 pm

    Mary

    “On 9 July 2004, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) issued an Advisory Opinion on the Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the occupied Palestinian territory”
    _________________

    Can you – or someone else – please provide a link to that Opinion?

    Experience on this blog has taught me that when one reads links carefully (which of course commenters assume people won’t) there’s usually something in it which partially invalidates the line the commmenter is peddling.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Complete disregard by Israel for any laws, international or otherwise.”

    ___________________

    This is a typical piece of nonsense from you, Mary.

    The inhabitants of Israel (including Israeli Arabs) enjoy better legal protection in Israel than they would in any Arab country.

    You – and your fellow Eminences – may wish to consider the following:

    On the late C19 and early C20, Jews left Eastern Europe in their hundreds of thousands to avoid discrimination and persecution. Is there any evidence of Israeli Arabs wishing to leave Israel in their (hundreds of) thousands? On the contrary – one of the demands of the Palestinian negotiators is, and has always been, the “right of return” to …. Israel.

    Opinions welcome, as always.

  46. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    “As if that has anything to do with it”

    I guess I misunderstood your point. True enough Israeli/ISIS present interests may converge, but ISIS has been quite active in Gaza, leaving Hamas holding the bag. Rope-a-dope isn’t just a boxing strategy.

  47. Have there been any BBC whistle blowers on policy and how it is implemented?

  48. Habbabkuk If I appeared to omit the Saudis and other Gulf fascists it was not intentional, they are all monsters. All powerful Israel has the ability at a stroke to end this entire historic saga, along with their grotesque fellow travellers in the Arab world, US and Europe. But there is too much behind the scenes, geo politics, land grabs, ethnic cleansing, press propaganda, oil, Ziofascists, epic corruption, Arab hegemony, “Royal” privilege, and obese kleptocrats and banksters in the west with far too much to gain by keeping this catastrophe going. May they boil in shit in hell.

  49. I don’t do Israel…though I have been to Sharm-El-Sheikh …which is almost the same…The snorkeling and diving is amazingly good…but it is even less like Egypt…than Agadir is like Morocco…Of course to try and escape out of these artificial tourists resorts…which are all over the world..and discover the real world – exactly how it is…finding and meeting the people who actually live in Their Countries…takes a bit of effort and courage…

    But my Wife and I always did it..and so do our kids…and so do our friends’ kids….

    I mean FFS do I really want to go THERE…even at my age??? I won’t bother giving you a list starting with Las Vegas….

    We have been travelling so much throughout our lives…I know I had a very well paid job…and got an exceedingly large number of days off work 34+ bank holidays + negotiated time off for working very long hours when it was really needed (the thing just had to work – or we would all lose our jobs – and there was absolutely no way it was going to not work – we were so good – but I didn’t realise it at the time – cos it was just Normal – it was just what we did)…

    Yet – I had all the support of the Companies I was working For..They did all the Nonsense Paper Work…

    My Son Runs His Own Business…Yet last Year He Managed to get out rather a lot…with no support from me…but a lot from his friends…

    He did 3 months in S.E Asia…After being invited to well…it wasn’t Israel …he just about got a pass on the stamps on his passport.

    England is Just So Beautiful.

    We go camping a lot.

    Tony

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:04 pm

    Herbie

    I realise that sole people hold that everything is political, but I was nevertheless surprised to see you write “kids were raped and buggered to a political agenda”.

    What do you think that “political agenda” was (be as expansive as you wish), and do you think that (non-political)perverted sexual lust might have played a part in those rapes and buggerings?

  51. While the tears of the fleeing ethnic cleansed of eastern Ukrainians are being shed so tragically the trivial weeping of the Brazilian fans is tonight’s BBC Worlds banal Global headline story! Then, to add insult to viewers’ intelligence the World Business news report aims to find a futile correlation between the global money markets and world cup football results. The World cup distraction/diversion tactics practiced by the BBC to avoid having to report on the unjustifiable political double dealing of US, UK and EU governments that the Ukraine war represents are plain stark, staring obvious

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:07 pm

    Tony Opmoc

    We can always rely on you for some long-winded and whimsical diversionary posts from you when discussion heats up, can’t we.

    Sofia – quick, some more sci-fi from you, please, to keep up the good work!

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:10 pm

    Johnstone (20h07)

    Is there a point lurking under that exceedingly turgid prose?

  54. I completely agree the bias of the BBC. Do look at Media Lens who analyse this so well.

    These 2 news sites just made my blood boil today:

    http://news.sky.com/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10954124/Where-is-the-outrage-over-the-bombardment-of-civilians-in-Israel.html

    I’m old enough to remember the recalcitrance of white South Africans. At least there we had reasonable reporting.

    Please please complain. I had a fob off response from Channel 4 but at least they had someone from Hamas tonight.

  55. Loved your poem Mary!

  56. Fred – you’ve managed to find one webpage where they put it fairly.

    The Media Group at Glasgow University did the sums a while back. Have a read.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3829967.stm

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:28 pm

    Alex

    I think there’s been a misunderstanding. I thought that you were referring to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies when you wrote “but the horrible bastards want to preserve their own DYNASTIC heritage”. That is why I responded by saying ” you err in not including OTHER Arab regimes (OTHER than the monarchies) in your condemnation” – meaning that you had erred in not mentioning non-monarchic Arab régimes such as Syria, Egypt, Irak.

    Hope that clarifies.

  58. Clicking on ‘palestine campaign.org’ (PSC) produces ‘Resource Limit Is Reached’

    Has the Hasbara outfit been busy? They are capable of doing so.

  59. The classic re the bias in BBC’s middle east coverage is Ahmadinejad’s “wipe off the map” speech.

    http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025

    Despite the fact that it was a gross misreprentation, when complained about, the BBC found nothing wrong in their umpteen retellings of it – such is their arrogant disdain for accuracy, sorry – their ‘impartiality’.

    Getting the BBC to acknowledge any failing is a tortuous process…

    http://www.spinwatch.org/index.php/blog/item/5620-bbc-finally-admits-bias-over-pro-israel-commentator

    Unless its the orchestrated pro-Zionist lobby which jumps en masse upon the slightest thing they disapprove of and successfully bombard the BBC

  60. “Fred – you’ve managed to find one webpage where they put it fairly.”

    It was the first one on the list.

    When I look at competitors, such as Sky say, it’s a different story.

    “After a day of counter-strikes between Hamas and Israeli forces, rockets are fired at the highly secure Dimona nuclear site.”

    http://news.sky.com/story/1297664/hamas-attempts-strike-on-israeli-nuclear-site

    Has to be the most blatant piece of anti Palestinian propaganda yet, as if they could aim their rockets.

    Yet when I look at the comments section I see the British public consider Sky to have a Palestinian bias.

  61. To the smart there is, otherwise there isn’t

  62. O/T for Craig’s info.

    STV confirm referendum debate date
    A televised referendum debate between Alex Salmond and Alistair Darling will go ahead in August after a dispute over dates is settled.
    The date is 5th August.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28238151

  63. Fred. Did you read the article I linked to?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3829967.stm

    These things require an independent study weighing up all the reports. Not a look at the first page you come across which happens to be okay.

  64. There could be peace between Israel and the Palestinians tomorrow, ending the suffering of people on all sides, if the US wanted it.

    Israel in its present form could not continue to exist without US financial, economic, military and political support. It’s as simple as that. But, for whatever reasons, the US prefers the status quo.

  65. “Fred. Did you read the article I linked to?”

    Yes, 10 years ago when it was topical.

    I think that Glasgow University had a decided anti BBC bias.

  66. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 9:10 pm

    If the Arab (Islamic) world really wanted an end to the suffering inflicted on the benighted Palestinians, for whom they pledge such “sympathy” they could make it happen, but the horrible bastards want to preserve their own dynastic heritage and will do anything for anyone to keep themselves and their inbred spawn in power for the rest of time. Deeply depressing. (Alex)

    This one is trotted out every time Israel decides to go in for reprisals against the civilian population of the occupied territories and Gaza. First, it is a sweeping and untrue generalisation. Second, it forgets that the Arab League couldn’t organise a pissup in a brewery, even if it were not haram to do so, as it is merely a weak association of vaguely similar interests. That Saudi Arabia has a lot to lose in oil revenues by offending America’s little protege – and thus America, and Egypt even more in direct US aid paid on the clear understanding that it supports Israeli internal and external policy. If it doesn’t -as we have just seen- it suddenly develops a dictatorship which does. This is not accidental.

    The meme forgets that Jordan has quite enough Palestinian refugees from eretz-Israel already, and is militarily much weaker. Even so, Jordan today issued a condemnation of the current assault in the strongest possible terms.(Which is infinitely more than the Quartet’s UK-subsidised representative and Friend of Israel has found time to do at the time of posting this.)

    Qatar and Saudi are substantial aid donors to Gaza. Algeria actively supports Hamas.

    Israel cheerfully ignores diplomacy, and someone can always be found to sell it what it needs to survive, generally in the West. So short of a combined assault on Israel, there’s not much more the Arabs can do. And we know how that panned out last time: and how it would pan out against the only nuclear state in the region if it looked like succeeding, next time.

    The West bears the full responsibility for creating and very actively supporting Israel, that vicious little bastard of Zionism and imperialism, and it should be the West’s overriding concern to pull its teeth. Blaming the (generalised) Arabs for not caring or not doing enough is inaccurate and beside the point.

  67. Sometimes these things need to be said about this Socialist State My Capitalist Son and Me Live in at Home..Me with His Mum…And Him with His Latest Girlfriend….

    Yes Your Mum and I Have been away a lot recently…whilst you have been at home…and invited all your friends round for a BBQ…We didn’t have a problem with that…but did you clear the mess up? Did you put it away…did you burn a massive hole in the Grass? We didn’t mind that…but it has been raining…Did you cut the Grass??? Did you put Your Clothes in The Washing Machine…and Hang Them Out To Dry???

    Did You or Either Your Girlfriend…Spend Three Days a Week…Well actually Growing A Large Percentage of The Food We All Eat???

    Did You or Your Girlfriend Peel any Potatoes (She Did Once When I said Are You Sure You Want To Eat)

    So I Reckon My Son and His Girlfriend…are Lovely…Yes We Both Like Them Living at Home…But Your Mum…would like a little bit of help with all the WORK SHE does…

    Lazy Fuckers.

    Tony

  68. All round the world.

    Take action: Protests around the world respond to assault on Palestine

    Protests are being organized in cities around the world to respond to the ongoing assault on Palestine and the Palestinian people, including the murders of Palestinians (including 16-year-old Muhammad Abu Khdeir, murdered brutally by Israeli settlers), the bombing of Gaza and the killing of over 50 Palestinians by occupation forces, the mass arrests of over 900, and the raids, attacks, tear-gassing, invasions and closure that Palestinians are being subjected to. If a rally you know of is not listed, please email samidoun@samidoun.ca to have it posted!

    Upcoming protests (prior protests moved below upcoming events):
    http://samidoun.ca/2014/07/take-action-protests-around-the-world-respond-to-assault-on-palestine/

    London, UK
    Friday, July 11
    3:00 PM
    G4S Headquarters, 105 Victoria Street, London
    Organized by Inminds
    More info: https://www.facebook.com/events/1525494837679446/

    London, UK
    Friday, July 11
    5:30 PM
    Embassy of Israel, London (Nearest tube: High Street Kensington)
    More info: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152124765002890&set=a.10150430348142890.356598.188528597889&type=3&permPage=1

    Birmingham and Glasgow are in the list.

  69. The same situation exists in France.

    ‘Boniface’s book is not about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Rather, it is about the parlous influence of the domestic Israel lobby on French politics and French society more broadly. Boniface claims that one can criticize any government in the world (one can even mercilessly attack the reigning French President), but not that of Israel.

    After 2001, the PS was pressured to excommunicate him. Two regional presses ceased to publish his articles. There were attempts to discredit his organization – the Institut de Relations Internationales et Stratégiques – and to have him removed. He has been slurred as an anti-Semite.’

    Two Weights, Two Measures
    The Israel Lobby and French Politics
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/09/the-israel-lobby-and-french-politics/

  70. Names and ages of those killed today in Gaza. 7 children’s names are included.

    Amena Saleem PSC
    (via Facebook)

    The names and ages of the 23 Palestinians killed by Israeli air strikes on Gaza today are:

    Siraj Iyad Abdel Aal 8
    Bassim Salem al-Kaware 10
    Hussen Yousef al-Kaware 13
    Mohamed Ayman Ashour 15
    Musa Habib 16
    Ahmed Nail Mahdi 16
    Dena Mahdi Hamad 16
    Bakr Mohammed Gouda 22
    Suha Hamad 25
    Mohamed Habib 22
    Saqr Aljesh Aljouri 22
    Sulaiman Saiman Abu Soawin 22
    Mohamed Shaaban 24
    Ammar Mohammed Gouda 26
    Ibrahim Mammed Hamad 26
    Rashad Yassin 27
    Hafiz Mohammed Hamad 30
    Amjad Shaaban 30
    Khadr Alepesheliqi 45
    Mahdi Mohmmad Hamad 46
    Riad Mohammad al-Kaware 50
    Mohammed Ibrahim al-Kaware 50
    Fawzia Khalil Hamad 62

  71. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 10:12 pm

    The current violence is presumably Israel’s considered response to Tony’s pre-Operation Sheer Cliff (as I believe the Hebrew translates), utterance on the 24th June, to be found here, possibly.

    english.pnn.ps/…/7742-tony-blair-calls-on-israel-to-stop-its-operation-in-the-west-bank-and-gaza

    It’s (The Palestine News Network) down right now, which is almost certainly because of the GIGANTIC BARRAGE OF ROCKETS which are being fired at POOR LITTLE ISRAEL. [font=0.1 point](Or maybe an IDF drone strike)[/font]

  72. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 10:32 pm

  73. bbc won’t show this, and the world won’t see this

    arch terrorist and head of operation liquidated!

    Makes me sick to see the blackmailed bastards acquiescently accepting the inhumanity and crimes against humanity and peace perpetrated by the rabid mad zionists, as a matte of routine.

    keeping the gofer cadre out of trouble

    After all she can always issue and apology later.

    Baroness Butler-Sloss, the former judge appointed to investigate allegations of an establishment cover-up of child sex abuse, was forced to issue an apology after making crucial errors in a previous inquiry into two paedophile priests

  74. Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella) ..Well at least you read it…You see I don’t actually think You Lot are The Problem…Lets Face it You Simply Do Not Have Either The History or The Experience,,,,

    Think About It Who are The Real Biggest…..

    Personally.. I will go with My Tribe…

    And I Look Down…and It Worked Perfectly Well This Morning..In Fact It Was Very Nice…

    It came with me just as I was born..

    I think you Guys lost something.

    Tony

  75. This should fix everything!!!

    “(Reuters) – The U.N. Security Council will meet at 10 a.m. (1400 GMT) on Thursday to discuss escalating Israel and Palestinian hostilities and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is likely to brief the 15-member body, diplomats said.”

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/07/09/palestinians-israel-un-idINKBN0FE2FP20140709

    :p

  76. “IDF’s Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis”

    Israel’s defence minister has confirmed that military plans to ‘uproot Hamas’ are about dominating Gaza’s gas reserves

    Nafeez Ahmed

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis

  77. Alex:
    “Beyond odious as the Israeli regime is, the lack of action or meaningful support from fellow Muslims in the Middle East”

    What the Muslim leaders are doing now, covertly and politically, is shaped by what they experienced at the hands of the original colonials, whom they fought and were defeated by superior force.

    That’s the story that is told, but in fact we can learn from the behaviour of the current colonial era that previous generations of political Muslim individuals betrayed the general populations to Colonial power.

    Spare a thought for the ordinary Muslims who hate this political strategy both for the harm it will do themselves because reprisals never fall on the leaders, and also for the destruction of their Muslims brothers and sisters in the Arab spring.

    It is accomplished by dividing the Muslim society into trusted well-paid spies and impoverished masses. The manager class then jealously guard their manager status, and it still exists in the minds of Indians and Pakistanis even if English people are not aware of it.

    In the current colonial era the neo-colonials are playing the same game, using the ultra-political Muslims who arrive as asylum seekers from harsh regimes as the manager class over the masses. As a result it has not been possible for the voice of the tolerant Muslims to be heard over the voice of the favoured political class of Muslims who have bought into the Zionist plan to terrorise the Muslim world and disgrace the name of Islam by brutal violence.

    As I have referred to above, some Muslims who started the jihad against the Soviet Union and who feel that political collaboration with the Zionist West have just started to put their heads over the barrier and speak against the West’s favoured manager class which includes the baby/bus bombers of Taleban/Head choppers of Al Qaida/ and many other groups who destroyed Tunisia and Libya and who are now, at the control of Israel, destroying Syria.

    These managerial political Muslims believe that by co-operating with Israel, they can eventually do a Mosul on Manchester, Tikrit on Tottenham and a Baghdad on Birmingham. We Muslims are requested to wait patiently until their machinations deliver, and they satisfy Israel by raping and ripping apart Syrian society and expelling from their homes into criminal-ridden jungle.

    It was always a stupid idea to try play the Israeli terror/deceit game with the masters of Hollywood fantasy nastiness, the Israelis.

    Spare a thought for the Muslims who have waited for 4 years for this stupid game to bear fruit. Those of us who have a conscience have been silenced. As a result of speaking against the stupidity of the political scheme, when I walk into a Deobandi mosque they now recite bitingly damning chapters of the Qur’an stating that betrayal wil be rewarded by the fire of Hell.

    They seem to have forgotten that since 1640 and in fact long before I have a right as an Englishman to free speech and freedom of religious opinion. A right they would dearly like to exterminate. If they come to power, expect to pay a bribe to get your daughter to see a doctor, or to escape a traffic fine. Don’t expect a fine to re-secure your head onto your shoulders.

    Somehow they think that when the Islamic Caliphate is declared in the UK, all the bits of protective UK law will still apply to themselves, the favoured managerial class, while harsh Shari’ah law will grind the masses into obedience.

    Hang on. That sounds a bit familiar doesn’t it? Saudi Arabia and Turkey are now terrified of the devil spawn they have created in Syria as it drives swiftly over to their own borders. Barzani has signed his own death warrant by accepting the Jordan deal to kick Maliki out of Kirkuk, since Political Islam lying dormant in Europe on state benefits will now demand that their imprisoned fellows in Kurdish jails be released in exchange.

    No problem for Barzani and Maliki. They can join the London Lecture Tour.

  78. Yet again…we didn’t get to see..our daughter..she is so independent…and so DETERMINED..She is going to do it her own way…so She gave us her New Address…and We sneaked a quick look there….

    I mean…we told the owners of the campsite…where our daughter…said she said she moved to yesterday….

    They showed us the map….

    So we drove there…without being asked…

    we eventually found the little lane..and the lost lamb….and possibly the most Beautiful Village in England…

    She just texted me back….

    “I Got The Job”

    I replied…”Blimey…Invite Us When You are Ready”

    Good Girl.

    She Replied

    “I Have Been Driving a Tractor Today”

    Tony

  79. The alternative strategy to the political game described above, which failed so lamentably in the colonial era until Hitler came along and distracted Britain from its Empire, is the way of the Prophet Muhammad SAW.

    That is, to show a good example of Islam to the already partially believing Christians. To be honest to themselves in the practise of their daily lives, not to pretend that taking out multiple haram interest mortgages is God’s answer to their prayers of a Ma’idah, a miraculous reward.

    Not to pretend that the scrap car you want to buy and which they bought for nothing is in fact a thoroughly reliable well-maintained family they have had for years.

    Not to spy on their Muslim brothers and siters who Allah has guided into the truth of Islam and then broadcast the activities of their Muslim brother and his Muslim wife to the entire local Muslim community. ( The Islamic punishment for that particularly odious habit of theirs is that I can spike their eyes for spying, and no returns ) Not sure that English Law would support me there.

    They could also try to stop hating English people for the betrayal by their own political class. Why not save their hatred for the political class that sold them to Colonial reprisals and the ones who are still playing the same games today.

    Does anyone on this blog seriously believe that if Westminster and Washington are not controlled by Israel through the UKUS and Muslim international political classes.

    If it was left to the people of Gaza and Israel, Palestine would be a pluralistic open society. It is the political class that destroys everything. Mursi phoned up Al Qaida leader Zawahiri to offer Egypt’s allegiance to the terror group. Zawahir phones up Netanyahu to offer India/Pakistan’s allegiance to Israel.

    How is it possible to solve anything when there is a political class fucking it up faster than the goodwill of us ordinary people?

  80. There is no equating the killing and maiming of dozens of innocent Palestinians with scared Israelis seeking shelter from crude rockets that rarely cause damage. But that hasn’t stopped media outlets from trying, and in some cases, outright lying, to distort the violence.

    In one stark example, ABC News’ Diane Sawyer misidentifies scenes of the aftermath of Israeli missile strikes in Gaza as destruction caused by Palestinian rocket fire.

    As Sawyer segues into the segment, she says, “We take you overseas now to the rockets raining down on Israel today as Israel tried to shoot them out of the sky.” Next to her is video footage not of Israelis or even Israel, but of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza.

    Sawyer then incorrectly describes an image of a Palestinian family gathering belongings in the smoking debris of a missile-hit home in Gaza as “an Israeli family trying to salvage what they can.”

    Sawyer then describes an image of a Palestinian woman surrounded by destroyed homes as “one woman standing speechless among the ruins,” with the implication that she is Israeli.

    Sawyer’s bald misreporting reflects either a deliberate lie by ABC News or wilful ignorance so severe that Palestinian death and misery is invisible even when it’s staring ABC producers right in the face.

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/abc-news-tells-viewers-scenes-destruction-gaza-are-israel

    I wonder will any apology be forthcoming?

  81. الْمَوْءُودَةُ

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:05 am

  82. You see…my daughter had Really Pissed Me Off..simply because she didn’t tell me the truth..She was too proud..and thought she could personally pay off all of the debts…this is working…living surviving debts…of My Daughter…and all The Kids…She Shared in a Student House..She took Responsibility…Her Name Was On The Bill,,,and sure we helped them out a lot..to the tune…of actually visiting them…in their student house…and really worrying about the fact that they were all getting really thin…and living on instant mash…at best…

    Taking on all This Responsibility when She Was Just an 18 Year Old Kid…At University,,Just Trying To Learn All The Skills To Prosecute ANTHONY CHARRLES LYNTON BLAIR…(She Had Very Personal Reason)..Should Have Given Her a phd..instead it just gave me a load of debts..some of which she didn’t tell me out…and I Really Do Not Like Fighting With Loan Sharks…I think She is Clear Now…These Fuckers Really Piss Me Off..They Feed On Our Children…Come and Feed On Me..You Complete and Utter Arseholes -p AND I wILL sWALLOW yOU whole

    anthony

  83. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:09 am

    Baal’s post at 21h10 is not up to his usual standard. Or perhaps it is. Let’s look at some of it in more detail.

    1. “This one {ie, Alex’s point}is trotted out every time Israel decides to go in for reprisals against the civilian population of the occupied territories and Gaza”

    Actually, this argument is a long-standing one – it is decades old – and is not “trotted out” only when Israel retaliates against rockets from Gaza.

    2/. “First, it is a sweeping and untrue generalisation.”

    Sloppy presentation. Baal gives this as a (first) reason, whereas it is in fact an assertion, which should then be followed by justifications (firstly, secondly, thirdly…).

    3/. “Second, it forgets that the Arab League couldn’t organise a pissup in a brewery”

    This is correct and would appear to support, rather than invalidate, Alex’s argument, which is that the Arabs seem incapable of acting in concert.

    4/. ” Saudi Arabia has a lot to lose in oil revenues by offending America’s little protege – and thus America,…”

    The “offending” concept is correct, but it has to do with the US guaranteeing the current power set-up in Saudi and nothing to do with oil, which will always find a market in an energy-hungry world.

    5/. “The meme forgets that Jordan has quite enough Palestinian refugees from eretz-Israel already”

    It had more when it was administering the West Bank between 1949 and 1967 instead of helping to create a Palestinian state in the West Bank when it had the opportunity to do so.

    6/. “Qatar and Saudi are substantial aid donors to Gaza.”

    And yet are accused by many – including sundry Eminences – of being in cahoots with Israel and the US.

    7/.”Israel cheerfully ignores diplomacy”

    Meaningless. If this were true, it should render otiose sundry Eminences’ criticisms of various Israeli ambassadors to the US and Western countries, should it not?

    8/. “So short of a combined assault on Israel, there’s not much more the Arabs can do. And we know how that panned out last time”

    Contradictory. If an assault didn’t work out last time (Baal presumably refers to 1967) there is little point in saying “so short of an assault..”

    9/. “The West bears the full responsibility for creating and very actively supporting Israel,”

    Only partially accurate. The creation of Israel was actively supported (for the wrong reasons, admittedly) by the USSR and its satellite states as well as by many non-Western European states.

    10/. “Blaming the (generalised) Arabs for not caring or not doing enough is inaccurate and beside the point.”

    It is not the whole or only truth, but the inability of Arabs to unite behind a single objective or set of objectives is certainly one of the reasons for the current situation. As well as for the considerable disunity withing a number of Arab countries.

    If I were a don, I’d give Baal’s dissertation no more than a straight beta. Sorry!
    8/.

  84. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:14 am

    “Imagine if that Bill was the deeply controversial Data Retention Bill.”

    Imagine if they actually represented their constituents, Fred.

    Such things rarely see the light of day.

  85. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:18 am

    A last question to the Luminaries on here, phrased more succinctly than this morning:

    do people here think it would be a good idea – and of benefit to the welfare of the people in Gaza – if Hamas ceased firing rockets into Israel (or stopped whoever is firing them if not Hamas)?

  86. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:26 am

    “A last question…”

    Yes. The masses should all learn the ways of the opossum.

    “Play dead”.

  87. الْمَوْءُودَةُ

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:27 am

  88. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:31 am

    The UN is good at promulgating legal prerogatives; bad at policing with Security forces. The legal venue is the path, if the US signs onto it.

  89. الْمَوْءُودَةُ

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:57 am

  90. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 1:08 am

    We’re still pipe-dreaming with Cheney/Bush going before the bench. Something……huge has to occur where all are brought to their knees. Otherwise, it’s window dressing, or salad dressing.

  91. Ashkelon was one of the 400 Palestinian towns which were leveled to ground by the Zionist Jewish terrorist militias in 1948.

    Amos Harel, a journalist focused on military affairs for the Israeli daily Haaretz, revealed that the Israeli army command suggested three options to Netanyahu government in Tel Aviv on how to deal with Hamas in Gaza. The first is “bombing institutions and leadership headquarters, making sure that attacking aircrafts make frightful sounds, shaking the sector without causing casualties,” the second option is “bombing weapons and rocket factories and warehouses,” while the third options is “performing wide range assassinations against commanders and activists in Resistance movements.”

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/07/09/israel-recalls-40000-combat-reserves-to-destroy-hamas/

  92. I just emailed an American friend of mine who staunchly and unyieldingly supports Israel – in these terms:-

    1. What do you say of the over 700,000 Palestinians displaced in 1948?
    2. If you are not even prepared to accept the 1967 border lines under international law – what other kind of reaction/resistance do you expect?
    3. If Native Americans reclaimed their land and forcefully removed you from your now “American land” – what would you do?

    In any event there were also other very pressing matters on my mind today:-

    Dear President Dilma Rousseff,
    Re: Loss to Germany and an appropriate reaction
    Please accept this letter as a slightly delayed reaction to the 7 – 1 defeat.
    To be honest, I was in a state of shock for over 24 hours, as you might be aware the vast majority of Brazilians also were/are.
    So – how are we going to deal with this absolutely humiliating defeat?
    I have an idea – why not declare a day of national mourning?
    No – on second thought – that is not the best approach.
    The Brazilian nation really does need full and appropriate consolation. There is only one way.
    I am now recommending in all earnestness and with deepest sympathy a full seven days of national mourning – one for each goal scored by Germany.
    Respectfully and with deepest condolences,
    Courtenay Francis Raymond Barnett
    P.S. I remain in trepidation that the last best chance for redemption – of a third place slot – will not occur – because the Netherlands so far is looking the superior team (notwithstanding the defeat to Argentina). Was it that “7-up” was prescient when they gave that name to their soda? You may very well think that I am mocking you and/or Brazil. Actually, I am not. I am a fan and great supporter of Brazil as I have been all my life. Now – can you pass me that can of “ 7-up” please.

  93. My old colleague, a nice chap, supports Israel in everything. Doesn’t matter what, he’s staunch. His politics are conservative, but not lunatic neocon, and he’s not jewish, he’s just picked a side. Often I think that’s what it comes down to, the propaganda makes people pick a side, and mostly they’ll fall on the side of the propaganda. Propaganda works. If it didn’t, they’d try something else. Like shooting people in the back of the head, Stalin’s personal favourite.

    Me, I won’t pretend to be immune, nobody is. But the blatant stuff, I see that coming a mile away. And the coverage in the Guardian, and the bbc, is lame, and condescending. The Guardian appears to be stuffed full of neocons, or female writers targeting sixteen year olds, or both. There are good writers, Milne, Hyde, Pilger, think Penny appears sometimes, but not enough. In fairness to the Guardian, they have mentioned that many Palestinians have been killed. On the other hand, this:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/09/iron-dome-gaza-israel-air-defence-missile

    Iron Dome? Looks like a straight out military press release. And probably is.

  94. I am trying to write in defence of completely innocent men, women and children…who just want to live their lives in their countries where they live.

    Can we PLEASE Stop Dropping Bombs On Them, Trying To Kill Them…or Trying To Control Them…

    They are Just Like You and Me…and Your Wife and Kids..sure they speak a different language…and we don’t immediately understand…but just give them a smile and a welcome…like my wife and I do….and they just invite us into their homes…talk about making friends…nearly everyone in the world understands a few words of ENGLISH….and maybe a bit of spanish, french or german…us Europeans..are not hated..quite the opposite..we are invited into people’s homes all over the World.

    We come From Europe

    We Do Not Come from The USA

    And We Do Not Come from Israel

    And You Guys are Not Going To Eff Us Over With a War With The Russians…or Anyone Else.

    Go eat your own shi#ite.

    Bye

    Tony

  95. So I thought should I do the Catholic One as Well???

    Nah The Yanks Will Believe it…

    The Only Problem with this is it is true…

    My Brother’s Son Does have a First Class PhD in Maths – at Cambridge (My Ex has met him when he was really young) and my wife too…

    He of course got recruited with qualifications like that..and being the son of his Dad (My Brother – the best electronics genius in the world so far as I am concerned)

    To Design Weapons of Mass Destruction in Deepest Dorset..He did tell me about it at my Brother-In-Law’s Funeral…

    Then He Gave it Up To Train as a Catholic Priest..Yes we went to The Ceremonies…I thought well its a load of old bollocks..but its better than designing weapons to kill people…I gave him a Real hard time when he was training …His Dad couldn’t…But I could…He was just so clever…and well full of God (his Dad died when he was young)

    He is no well on his way to be Pope (no seriously)….but I have this dilemma…

    My wife and I have been invited to his Mum’s 70th Birthday Party..at the same time as Cambridge Rock Festival is On…with some excellent bands…My wife says She wants to Cambridge Rock Festival like Before…I am hoping By Then…My Ex Girlfriend Will Have Made a Miracalous Recovery…cos I think Our Other Girlfriend is Coming Too (She’s From Lancashire like us)..and I have just bought a new Tent..and it sleeps 4 Very Comfortably…I don’t fancy sharing it with 3 blokes..But My Wife and Two Girlfriends..That Sounds O.K To Me…Maybe I should ask my nephew to Pray For Me…

    Sorry about that.

    Tony

  96. Herbie – “Salary, career, the club and coke are much more important than dead women and kids.”

    One big factor is that interviewers are generalists. They have limited knowledge, ofter extreme ignorance of the topic they are interviewing on. So they aren’t aware of, and won’t ask the basic questions and retorts that the people who are suffering the misery would.

    Then they are set against a highly polished PR man like Mark Regev for Israel. Expert on his brief, practiced in every sidestep, who runs rings round them.

    And for Hamas/the Muslim Brotherhood etc – someone who ofter even has poor English, who the BBC interviewer proceeds to harangue as they approach things from the BBC establishment perspective: “Terrorist!”.

  97. Tucked away on the BBC main page,

    10 July 2014
    UN chief Ban Ki-moon: Gaza situation ‘on knife-edge’

    The civilian death toll in Gaza is rising, as Yolande Knell reports – video

    Mr Ban warned that the region “cannot afford another full-blown war”.

  98. It’s off topic but I will print out Tom Watson’s words which Fred kindly linked to. Lansley is a dangerous type. Thanks to his Health and Social Care Act 2012, the NHS is now being shafted.

    ‘Something terrible could be happening in Parliament on Monday and I need your urgent attention.

    Please don’t ignore this.

    Last Thursday there was a curious announcement in the Chamber of the House of Commons. At the session to announce future business, Leader of the House, Andrew Lansley said this:

    “Monday 14th July — consideration of a Bill, followed by a motion to approve the first report from the Committee on Standards on the respect policy”

    If you look on Parliament’s web site tonight, you will not see the name, nor the text of the Bill to be considered.

    None of your elected backbench MPs have been told what Bill is to be debated on Monday. It’s Wednesday evening. Tomorrow, MPs are on a ‘one line whip’ ie they can return to their constituencies this evening.

    Imagine how outrageous it would be, if tomorrow, the government were to announce emergency legislation to an empty chamber. Imagine if that emergency legislation was to be introduced on Monday or Tuesday, with the intention of it slipping through the Commons and the Lords in a single day. Imagine if that Bill was the deeply controversial Data Retention Bill.

    It’s a Bill that will override the views of judges who have seen how the mass collection of your data breaches the human rights of you and your family.

    Regardless of where you stand on the decision of the European Court of Justice, can you honestly say that you want a key decision about how your personal data is stored to be made by a stitch up behind closed doors and clouded in secrecy?

    None of your MPs have even read this legislation, let alone been able to scrutinise it.

    The very fact that the Government is even considering this form of action, strongly suggests that they have an expectation that the few people on the Liberal Democrat and Labour front benchers who have seen this legislation, are willing to be complicit.

    No matter what you think about this issue, if you care about democracy, make sure your MP does not walk through the chamber and vote for legislation nobody has had the chance to debate and question.’

    https://medium.com/@tom_watson/22c3136de17c

  99. How very true.

    Amos 1:8 And I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him that holdeth the sceptre from Ashkelon, and I will turn mine hand against Ekron: and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord GOD.

    Zephaniah 2:4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up.

  100. Google has been got at by the Israelis too.

    My search for ‘total number of deaths in Gaza 2014′ produced this as the first result. I had not said anything about ‘Israeli’.

    Gaza rockets land deep in Israel as it bombards Palestinian …
    Reuters ‎- by Jeffrey Heller ‎- 18 hours ago
    GAZA/JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Israeli air strikes shook Gaza every few … No Israeli deaths or serious injuries were reported and Israeli news …

  101. O/T Tom Watson is right. The fascists are rushing through this snooper’s charter legislation. Cameron, May and the rest are meeting at the moment. The ECHR ruling is for nothing.

    Breaking News on Sky.

    MI5 ‘Allowed To Track Terror Plots On Internet’
    A new deal on data snooping is expected amid fears of the terrorist threat posed by Britons fighting in Syria and Iraq.http://news.sky.com/story/1298294/mi5-allowed-to-track-terror-plots-on-internet

    It’s all because of the terrrrr situation.

    Tanks at Heathrow soon Mrs Nay?

  102. Even Mrs May, the PM in waiting!

  103. The BBC Radio 4 news just now is typical. Ran like an excuse piece for the IDF. The Israelis killed a family in an airstrike because in the BBC’s words “they returned too soon” to their home. So it was their own fault they were murdered then!

  104. The news according to Radio 4 wasn’t that a family had been killed but they led off giving us the Isreali’s PR message about it. That it was a tragedy. They Isreali PR machine always trot out the same – before carrying on regardless causing another tragedy with another bomb. They had no-one else’s view on it – just the Isreali one. And their excuse. They “returned too soon” – it was their fault they were killed.

  105. “The BBC Radio 4 news just now is typical. Ran like an excuse piece for the IDF. The Israelis killed a family in an airstrike because in the BBC’s words “they returned too soon” to their home. So it was their own fault they were murdered then!”

    I listened to Radio 4 news this morning and I didn’t get the impression they were trying to blame the family in Gaza for returning too soon. They also reported Palestinians killed in a cafe while watching the football and the comments of Ban Ki-moon.

  106. “During the US State Department’s daily press briefing this morning [yesterday], spokesperson Jen Psaki was asked whether Palestinians in Gaza have a right to defend themselves against Israeli aggression. As of this writing, Israeli bombing has killed more than fifty Palestinians since Monday, including more than a dozen children, and injured an additional 450 in the besieged Gaza Strip.

    “Psaki responded by feigning confusion and deflecting the question. The question was posed after Psaki repeatedly invoked Israel’s right to defend itself from Hamas rocket fire.

    “Psaki was also asked by the same journalist whether Israel’s “response” to rockets fired from Gaza has been proportionate. She again deflected and reiterated the United States’ support for Israel. Here is the exchange:

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/us-state-department-rejects-gazas-right-self-defense-israeli-aggression

  107. Fred: “I listened to Radio 4 news this morning and I didn’t get the impression they were trying to blame the family in Gaza for returning too soon.”

    Of course they weren’t. That’s what the Isrealis were doing. The BBC just parroted it.

    ” They also reported Palestinians killed in a cafe while watching the football and the comments of Ban Ki-moon.” Yeah, eventually, briefly. Its all about prominence and what you lead with. The didn’t lead with these crimes – they lead with the Israeli PR message. And just what they said. Really bizarre choice.

    It all requires some analysis – the kind that was in that university study you dismissed.

  108. Well you read into it what you want to read into it but personally the picture and caption on the Sky news page I linked to yesterday was blatant pro Israel propaganda

    ” The IDF says Hamas is firing from civilian areas. Pic: IDF/Twitter”

    Yet in the comments section everyone thought the opposite. Maybe they read into things what they want to read into things as well.

  109. “It all requires some analysis – the kind that was in that university study you dismissed.”

    I didn’t dismiss it, like I said I read it and considered it 10 years ago when it was published.

    This morning you were basing your judgement on one part of one bulletin. Ignoring the rest.

    What was it Paul Simon said? “A man sees what he wants to see, And disregards the rest.”

  110. Theresa May has just been to Israel. She says she discussed ways to combat slavery. More like terrrr alerts and airport security in which Israel leads the field.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmhansrd/cm140707/debtext/140707-0001.htm#14070728000008

    The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mrs Theresa May): 7 July 2014……..
    /..Last week I visited Israel and the Occupied Palestinian territories to meet senior politicians from both Israel and the Palestinian Authority. During my visit, the bodies of the three abducted teenagers were discovered near Hebron. Since then, we have also heard about the terrible killing of a Palestinian teenager. No reason, belief or cause can justify the abduction and killing of innocent civilians. In spite of that harrowing news, I was able to hold encouraging discussions on how best to combat modern slavery as part of our efforts to garner greater international co-operation on that important issue. Those discussions will feed into the substantial work that the Government are doing to stamp out the horrendous crime of modern slavery. As I said earlier, the Second Reading of the Modern Slavery Bill will be debated tomorrow, and the Bill’s progress will take place alongside the work that the Government are doing to develop a comprehensive strategy to deal with this horrendous crime.’

    ~~~
    Israel provides the technology for security at many international airports and even run it as at Schipol.

    ‘At a conference in May 2008, the United States Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told Reuters interviewers that the United States will seek to adopt some of the Israeli security measures at domestic airports. He left his post in January 2009, a mere 6 months after this statement, which may or may not have been enough time to implement them.[31]

    On a more limited focus, American airports have been turning to the Israeli government and Israeli-run firms to help upgrade security in the post-9/11 world. Israeli officials toured Los Angeles Airport in November 2008 to re-evaluate the airport after making security upgrade recommendations in 2006.[32] Calling Ben Gurion “the world’s safest airport,” Antonio Villaraigosa , mayor of Los Angeles , has implemented the Israeli review in order to bring state-of-the-art technology and other tactical measures to help secure LAX, considered to be the state’s primary terrorist target and singled out by the Al Qaeda network.[33] New Age Security Solutions, led by the former director of security at Ben Gurion and based in Washington, D.C. , consults on aviation security at Boston’s Logan International Airport.[25]

    Other U.S. airports to incorporate Israeli tactics and systems include Port of Oakland and the San Diego County Regional Airport Authority . “The Israelis are legendary for their security, and this is an opportunity to see firsthand what they do, how they do it and, as importantly, the theory behind it,” said Steven Grossman, director of aviation at the Port of Oakland. He was so impressed with a briefing presented by the Israelis that he suggested a trip to Israel to the U.S. branch of Airports Council International in order to gain a deeper understanding of the methods employed by Israeli airport security and law enforcement.[34]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_security

  111. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:29 am

    At risk of repeating myself….no, I’ll let you do it. Google “Tony Blair” Gaza, select ‘last 24 hrs’, and let us know when Mr. Blair, the Quartet’s Middle East Envoy, tasked with ensuring the economic and political rehabilitation of the occupied territories and Gaza, has delivered his thoughts on the current situation there. So far, nothing. Too busy advising Sisi/Aliyev/Nazarbayev?

  112. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:32 am

    Aha. He’s gone to Tel Aviv. Yesterday: landed 0238. (not via Google)

    Will he make any difference at all? Place bets now.

  113. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:35 am

    There is hope…

    http://www.el-balad.com/1037405

    Try again,lads. Blair’s in there somewhere.

  114. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:47 am

    US Tel Aviv embassy closed today:

    http://rt.com/news/171604-us-embassy-israel-closed/
    Sup. Devil. Long spoon.

  115. Miss Castello

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:56 am

    GOD BLESS GEORGE & SCOTLAND. (And f**** the rest of the heartless B’stards.

    http://www.imemc.org/article/68408

    http://www.imemc.org/article/68408

  116. Here’s the BBC front page “latest”

    “Israeli spokesman describes as “tragedy” deaths of eight people killed in air attack on Gaza house despite receiving warning to leave ”

    Exactly like headlines the BBC had during the NI troubles. Not.

    “IRA spokesman describes as “tragedy” deaths of eight people killed in attack on pub despite receiving warning to leave “

  117. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 10:06 am

    Miss Castello -

    International Middle East Media Center, which you linked to, appears to be down or blocked. Like the Palestinian News Network, also based in Palestinian territory, at least for me.

    english.pnn.ps/

    The Israelis really don’t want a counter narrative getting out, is the obvious conclusion.

    If anyone has access to stories on either of these, please precis or paste them rather than just giving the link.

    Electronic Intifada is still up;

    http://electronicintifada.net/

    However,its news coverage of Gaza is strangely lacking.

  118. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 10:10 am

    “Israeli spokesman describes as “tragedy” deaths of eight people killed in air attack on Gaza house despite receiving warning to leave ”

    That would be the one where a drone had a clear view of the neighbours who had gathered on the rooftops in the hope it wouldn’t fire on civilians, but who discovered Israel’s committment to the Geneva Convention the hard way?

  119. Electronic Intifada has a page of Gaza updates here:

    http://electronicintifada.net/tags/gazaunderattack

  120. last time
    this time

    This was another death threat from a mutual friend of Craig’s and mine. The political mind cannot tolerate another human being conceiving of a different world view to their own. I believe Islam is a religion of peace and worship. He believes it is an instrument of control. But he was hung upside down and electrocuted and beaten to helpless pulp by friends of Israel.

    That is why Israel does horrible things to pleasant, believing Muslim human beings, to turn them into madmen obsessed by controlling others. Talking of which, while the ISIS wounded are recuperating in Tel Aviv Hospital, they would also be spooning them with zombieing chemicals that make them forget their crimes against humans.

    The hung Nazis in the picture had been doing medical experiments similar to the Israelis now. Had they themselves been victims of Israeli manipulation? Yes says my gut feeling, and once you convert a certain portion of people to Nazi-Frankensteins or Caliphah-murderers, you can get the whole society to morph from cultured Protestant Germans into irredeemable criminals. Shit happens.

  121. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 10:32 am

    Thanks, Dre.

    Think they’re up to 13 kids dead now, and have achieved 16% – 17% of the target total deaths before magnanimously agreeing to listen to anyone about anything.

  122. Yes, something funny going on.
    No tweets on their Twitter account since May 8.

    https://twitter.com/intifadaLive

  123. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    9 Jul, 2014 – 5:14 pm

    “Is it conceivable that Hamas, which controls Gaza, might think it would be a good idea to ensure that rockets are not fired towards Israel?”
    ————————————-

    Yes they do think it a good idea (or they did until recently).

    But, Habbabkuk, you have it arse over tit as usual.

    It is Israel that breaks truce agreements. There is plenty evidence of this if you care to Google.

    For example:

    Ahmed Jabari, a Hamas militant, was successful in stopping rocket attacks by various groups in Gaza under a cease-fire agreement with Israel.

    During this cease-fire Israel assassinated him. Perhaps he was too successful for Israel’s liking?

    “Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip.”

    “Israel’s return to the policy of assassination of leaders from the Palestinian struggle groups shows that the Israeli occupation wants to drag the region towards instability.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-peace-activist-hamas-leader-jabari-killed-amid-talks-on-long-term-truce.premium-1.478085

  124. Talking of mind control, which Aangirfan has contributed so much to our awareness of, the other day Craig was mocking a toff, the Viscount of Verulam. Craig will never understand until his last day because he has not been through it himself, the insidious mind control that the elite put their children through by sending them sometimes as early as five for the very rich dwellers abroad, to same-sex boarding schools.

    There is no warmth, there is no guiding hand, no wise presence, no kiss, no cuddle, no verbal or even written contact with busy parents far away. There is no knowing parent helping the child to form relationships with their own sex and with the other sex. There are no relationships because there are no women and if you took a male friend you’d get horse-whipped.

    So Craig, before you mock the toffs, please be aware that they have, unlike you, been quite severely mind-controlled. The public schools today are nothing like what we experienced and the boarding schools in Charles Dickens times were even more dreadful. A little humility would be kind.

  125. ‘hey diddle diddle
    the cat and the fiddle
    the cow jumped over the moon
    the little dog laughed
    to see such sport
    and the dish ran away with the spoon.’

    Sunday morning

    Argentine on Toast

    Please God I am wrong.

  126. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    9 Jul, 2014 – 5:56 pm

    “This comment is in no way meant to detract from Jonathan Cook’s merits as a journalist, but I do note that he is based in the occupied West Bank and cannot help wondering whether he would be free to write his books and articles and still remain alive and well if he were writing about Russian activities in Dagestan and Chechniya from a Russian town situated in close proximity to those two republics.”

    Firstly a correction Habbabkuk: Jonathan Cook lives in Nazareth not the occupied West Bank so no points for geography.

    Secondly your comment is a mere hasbara distraction and of no relevance to the discussion.

    האָבן אַ פייַן טאָג

  127. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 11:19 am

    No tweets on their Twitter account since May 8.

    Electronic Intifada is hosted by this: servers in US.

    http://www.tcpiputils.com/browse/ip-address/162.159.246.237

    From Cloud Flare’s Wiki:

    In June 2014, its services to many of its partners including Nigeria’s most visited indigenous website Nairaland.com has been suspended and it learnt it will not be restored until 30 June 2014.[citation needed]

    Why?

  128. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 11:30 am

    EXCELLENT article on Gaza’s Israel’s oil and gas reserves. What this is at least partly, maybe all, about.

    http://www.rantonuk.org.uk/stolen-gas-from-palestine-un-should-take-action/

  129. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    9 Jul, 2014 – 6:00 pm

    “Must I once again – sigh! – remind readers of the fact that Jordan was happy to hold on to the West Bank from 1949 until 1967 instead of assisting in bringing about the creation of a Palestinian state”

    We know all that Habbabkuk:

    Jordan occupied then annexed the West Bank in 1948/49 not to help the Palestinians but to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state based on the UN 1947 partition lines.

    What is the point of your “reminder”?

    What are you trying to say?

    Spit it out man!

  130. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:28 pm

    Jordan also gave the annexees full Jordanian citizenship and guaranteed access (except to Israelis) to the W. bank holy sites. When it inevitably relinquished its claim in 1988, it recognised the Palestine Liberation Organization, as “the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.”

    Compare and contrast with “filled West Bank with armed settlements, dispossessed inhabitants and turned vast areas into no-go areas for Palestinians, who were not accorded equal citizenship status (or even access to the R. Jordan’s banks); destroyed sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians, the PLO….etc.”

    Moral: Read Wikipedia entries all the way through.

  131. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    9 Jul, 2014 – 8:28 pm

    “Alex I think there’s been a misunderstanding.”

    Yes Habbabkuk and its down to you.

    Dynastic is not the same as monarchic get a dictionary.

  132. It is stated on the next thread that the death toll in Gaza is now 77.

    ~~~

    Felicity Arbuthnot writes:

    Is Israel Planning Gaza’s “Final Solution”?
    “Operation Protective Edge”

    July 9th, 2014

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/07/is-israel-planning-gazas-final-solution/

  133. Miss Castello

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:55 pm

    With 130 comments (so far) to scroll through, a ‘reply’ button would be wonderful.

  134. האָבן אַ פייַן טאָג

    V good Doug. What’s the Yiddish for La Vita e Bella?

  135. I would love to see Netanyahu and and his vile crew running for cover. From Medialens.

    Netanyahu runs for cover in Tel Aviv;rocket at Dimona nuclear reactor; cows killed in strike on farm

    Posted by alquds43 on July 10, 2014, 12:57 pm

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4540871,00.html

    Israel hit by fresh Gaza barrage after morning of widespread rocket attacks
    Iron Dome intercepts rockets in skies over Tel Aviv, others fall in open areas; Netanyahu runs for cover in Tel Aviv; Hamas fires long-range rocket at Dimona nuclear reactor; cows killed in strike on farm.

    Ynet correspondents
    Latest Update: 07.10.14, 13:27 / Israel News

    Air raid sirens sounded throughout Israel on Thursday afternoon, as a massive barrage of Gaza rockets were fired at the central and southern regions. Communities under fire included Be’er Sheva, Ashkelon, Ashdod, and Sdot Negev in the south, and Rehovot, Yavne, Lod, Ramle, and Gadera in the center.

    Earlier, as the IDF’s Operation Protective Edge entered its third day, rockets were fired at the greater Tel Aviv area, as well as hitting Israel’s south, including near Dimona, home to Israel’s nuclear reactor. Another rocket hit a Netivot house serving as a pre-school, while residents near the Ramon Crater reported hearing blasts.

    Hamas on Thursday afternoon took responsibility for the massive rocket salvo.

    Israel’s advanced Iron Dome missile defense system intercepted the vast majority of the rockets fired at populated areas, often sending debris plunging to earth. In one incident, a number of cows were killed in the south after falling shrapnel hit their cowshed.

    Debris also fell on Israel’s coastal metropolis, after Iron Dome intercepted the morning salvo. Shrapnel landed close to a gas station in south Tel Aviv’s hip Florentin area, and even along parts of the city’s highway, causing light damage to some cars.

    In the south, sirens sounded Thursday morning in Dimona and Yeruham, near the Ramon Crater, and Netivot. Hamas also launched some 10 rockets at Ashdod, south Ashkelon, Ramle and Lod, as well as aiming for targets further north.

    Hamas said it fired M75 rockets at Israel, one of which was intercepted by Iron Dome, and later claimed it had fired 10 new Iranian-made long-range Sajl rockets.

    Rockets also fell in open areas in the greater Tel Aviv area; no injuries were reported. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and senior politicians joining him for a Security Cabinet meeting ran for cover in a protected shelter.

    Hamas also took responsibility for those attacks, and said it fired its long-range rockets for the first time since fighting began, in an attempt to hit an army base. On Wednesday, Hamas tried to hit Dimona’s nuclear reactor, but failed to reach its target.

    [Tel Aviv residents shelter from rockets in tower block stairwell (Photo: Noa Mayer)]

    Also Thursday morning, a rocket exploded near a road in the Sdot Negev Regional Council, causing damage to the road, but no injuries.

    Iron Dome also intercepted a rocket launched at the southern town of Netivot, also in the Gaza region. In the Ashdod area, some 10 cows died and many others were hurt after a rocket hit a cowshed on a local moshav, residents said.

    The attacks came on the heels of a day that saw rocket salvos and missiles reach deeper into Israel than ever before.

    Some 15 rockets were fired at Israel in a 15-minute span late Wednesday, all of which were either intercepted or fell in open areas.

    At least two rockets fell in open areas north of Zikhron Ya’akov, just 37 km south of Haifa, in what was the furthest reaching rocket attack since Operation Protective Edge began late Monday.

    According to the IDF, roughly 255 rockets have been fired at Israel since Operation Protective Edge began late Monday night. Approximately 70 rockets have been intercepted by Iron Dome, which is only activated when populated areas are threatened.

    Yoav Zitun, Elior Levy, Roi Kais, Ilana Curiel and Matan Tzuri contributed to this report
    First Published: 07.10.14, 08:40

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4540871,00.html

  136. Miss Castello, 12:55 pm:

    “a ‘reply’ button would be wonderful”

    Android? Apparently:

    “you can click the little 4-arrow icon in the lower-right corner. This gives you a zoomed out view of the page and you can quickly scroll to wherever you like”

  137. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 1:27 pm

    Christ. One of the UK papers has finally cottoned on…

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-true-gaza-backstory-that-the-israelis-arent-telling-this-week-9596120.html

    The bleeding obvious strikes again. But if you didn’t know, read on.

  138. A relevant poem by the great Palestinian writer, activist, PFLP Member, Ghassan Kanafani, assassinated in Beirut by Mossad, 1972.

    All your armies
    All your fighters
    All your tanks
    And all your soldiers
    Against the boy
    Holding a stone
    Standing there
    All alone

    In his eyes
    I see the sun
    In his smile
    I see the moon
    And I wonder
    I only wonder
    Who is weak and
    Who is strong

    Who is right and
    Who is wrong
    And I wish
    I only wish
    That the truth
    Has a tongue !
    -Ghassan Kanafani

  139. Miss Castello

    10 Jul, 2014 - 1:30 pm

    Hi
    PSC has written an open letter to the BBC regarding its coverage of the bombings in Gaza. The letter will be delivered to the Director General, Tony Hall.
    The letter is on our website at http://www.palestinecampaign.org/sign-open-letter-bbc/ Please sign the letter and ask others to do the same. Signatures will be displayed on the website.
    Because of the volume of traffic to our website at the moment, you may see a message when you attempt to go the letter which says ‘Resource limit reached’. Please try again later. You will be able to get through if you keep trying, and we really appreciate your efforts.
    The letter is cut and pasted here:
    Dear BBC

    Once again Gaza is under massive aerial bombardment from Israeli warplanes and drones, and, once again, the BBC’s reporting of these assaults is entirely devoid of context or background.

    We would like to remind the BBC that Gaza is under Israeli occupation and siege.

    We would like to remind you that Israel is bombing a refugee population – Palestinians who were made refugees when they were forced from their land in1948 in order to create Israel.

    We would like to remind you that Gaza has no army, air force, or navy, while Israel possess one of the strongest militaries in the world.

    When you portray Israel’s shelling of a civilian population as a ‘response’ or ‘retaliation’ to rocket strikes from Gaza, we would like to remind you that these events flow from the displacement of the overwhelming majority of the Palestinian people from their homes and communities, with millions now corralled as refugees in the Gaza Strip. That initial injustice was compounded and continues with the ongoing occupation and siege.

    When you portray the occupier as the victim, and the occupied as the aggressor, we would like to remind you that resistance to occupation is a right under international law. And we would like you to remember that Israel’s occupation, siege and collective punishment of Gaza is not.

    And, finally, we would like to remind BBC journalists, when interviewing Israel’s spokespeople over the coming days, to ask the one question they have all failed to ask: “If Israel ends its occupation of Palestinian land, and allows the people of Palestine to live in freedom from Israeli domination, would that bring peace?”

    Yours
    Thank you very much for your support.
    Best wishes
    Amena

  140. Doug You say ‘spit it out man’. We don’t know whether our friend is male or female, where he/she is, anything about him/her other than that he/she is a troll with a nasty streak. Pretentious too.

  141. Repeating that link to say that Robert Fisk is the author.

    Robert Fisk
    Wednesday 9 July 2014

    The true Gaza back-story that the Israelis aren’t telling this week
    A future Palestine state will have no borders and be an enclave within Israel, surrounded on all sides by Israeli-held territory

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-true-gaza-backstory-that-the-israelis-arent-telling-this-week-9596120.html

  142. By e-mail today

    Here is another report that just came in from Denny Cornier, who is in Gaza witnessing the terror and the genocide of the Palestinians.

    From Denny Cormier in Gaza:

    I am still trying to process all that has happened in the last 36 hours. Although I had prepared myself weeks ago for the possibility that I would be in Gaza during an Israeli operation that I saw coming, I could not possibly imagine the barbarity with which this operation is being carried out.

    My life for the last 36 hours has been filled with stories of horrific attacks on civilians and non-combatants. I have heard almost constant bombardment of Gaza and the neighboring communities, and attacks on my own neighborhood by the seaport have been frequent and ferocious. More than once I found myself running for cover but there was no place to run. There is no place to hide from these angels of death that fill the skies over Gaza and over Al Meena hour after hour after hour… the sound of drones and helicopters and jets are punctuated by explosions that shake the house, that rattle the windows.

    I can only imagine how frightened the thousands of children are who surround me – children who are already living in the most challenging of circumstances – and who are now first hand witnesses to the worst instances of man’s inhumanity to man.

    I am confident that the young men and women who unleash these horrors upon a beautiful people (from their cockpits or with joysticks dozens of miles away from my home) will be brought to justice and will suffer the consequences of their actions – because we will decide as a people that a defense of “just doing my job” no longer has validity. You are not playing with monsters in the virtual world, my young friends. You are destroying homes and lives and dreams.

    Should you abandon your cockpits and joysticks, you may still avoid the wrath of humanity when it brings you before its tribunals because it will most certainly bring you before its tribunals. But if you choose not to, you will one day suffer the isolation that you have already embraced with a Pepsi in one hand and falafel in the other – you have freely chosen your own fate. And the hell that you have brought to this place will hold you forever in its selfish embrace. She is an unkind mistress.

    Greta Berlin, Co-Founder, the Free Gaza movement
    Editor, Freedom Sailors

  143. doug scorgie

    10 Jul, 2014 - 1:45 pm

    Mary
    10 Jul, 2014 – 1:34 pm

    “Doug You say ‘spit it out man’. We don’t know whether our friend is male or female, where he/she is, anything about him/her other than that he/she is a troll with a nasty streak. Pretentious too.”

    Mary, I’ve had a psychologist friend read a good selection of his posts and she says he is definitely a he.

  144. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:06 pm

    Noted for attention when the site calms down, Miss Castello, thanks.

    May I also solicit donations to this completely apolitical outfit:

    http://www.map-uk.org/

    Hundreds have been wounded, and the repeatedly-degraded Palestinian infrastructure cannot cope.

  145. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Mary, I’ve had a psychologist friend read a good selection of his posts and she says he is definitely a he.”
    __________________

    I’m flattered by your attention, Doug. Does it mean I’m getting through to you?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=

    “Dynastic is not the same as monarchic get a dictionary.”
    ____________________

    Are not monarchies dynastic for the most part?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Jordan occupied then annexed the West Bank in 1948/49 not to help the Palestinians but to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state based on the UN 1947 partition lines.

    What is the point of your “reminder”?”
    _______________________

    Surely the point is obvious, Doug? It is that Jordan bears some responsibility for the fact that there is no Palestinian state today.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Firstly a correction Habbabkuk: Jonathan Cook lives in Nazareth not the occupied West Bank so no points for geography.”
    _______________________

    Fair enough, Doug. But that reinforces the point I was making, doesn’t it? So Cook lives in the “belly of the beast” (Mary’s expression about Israel, I believe) and is free to write his books and articles in perfect safety. Had he been Russian and living in Russia however, and writing about Russian action in Dagestan and Chechniya, he would have been killed by now. Which shows once again that is more freedom and democracy in Israel, the country you hate, than in Russia, the country you admire.

    *******************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  146. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Is it conceivable that Hamas, which controls Gaza, might think it would be a good idea to ensure that rockets are not fired towards Israel?”
    ————————————-

    Yes they do think it a good idea (or they did until recently).

    But, Habbabkuk, you have it arse over tit as usual.

    It is Israel that breaks truce agreements. There is plenty evidence of this if you care to Google.

    ___________________________________

    Well, that’s your take and of course you’re free to express it : Hamas fires rockets because provoked by Israeli assassinations, etc.

    Personally, I think I’ll stick with Craig’s interpretation, which was :

    “I agree it is an utterly stupid tactic by Hamas. But I think the simplest explanation is that, like almost all political “leaders”, they are more interested in enhancing their own power than doing good for the ordinary people.”

    A take which, by the way, remains valid EVEN IF you were correct. Think about it.

    *****************

    By the way – any thoughts about the recent attack on the Brussels Holocaust centre in which 4 people were killed?

  147. doug scorgie

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:39 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    9 Jul, 2014 – 7:20 pm

    “The Russian state would have bumped him off. Whereas he is alive and well in Nazareth, under Israeli occupation, and free to write whatever he pleases.”

    You are trying to say, I think, that Israel maintains a free press even in the occupied areas but:

    “Reporters Without Borders has condemned Israeli attacks on information freedom, journalists and the media in the occupied Palestinian territories, the organisation said on Tuesday.”

    “In a statement the group said: “Journalists have been targeted by the Israeli army. Others have been arrested arbitrarily. And security forces have been conducting raids on media offices. RWB urges the Israeli military to allow news professionals, whether Palestinian or foreign, to carry out their work freely and safely.”

  148. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 4:00 pm

    Wish you wouldn’t quote the eejit, Doug. But let’s see how Israel fares in the freedom-of-information stakes at thios moment in time:

    Palestine Broadcasting Corporation – times out.
    http://www.pbc.gov.ps/English/about_us.htm

    Palestine Info – 24 Media journalist targeted and killed, colleagues wounded.

    http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7HtFExfKzhwqFoI5w%2fleY2Z77LzPorUhWAhVk2lemePY7KEOL74ylUOCFnGRuzd8x1NzGUUpAmmMhjcK%2fFOAEc6NgquazPoLNQ5OpyA06%2bog%3d

    Palestine News Network -times out (and has done for hours).
    http://www.english.pnn.ps/

    IMEMC – back after a break
    http://www.imemc.org/

  149. doug scorgie

    10 Jul, 2014 - 4:04 pm

    The IDF on Thursday afternoon contacted by phone Arab residents of Gaza living near the security border, warning them to evacuate their homes immediately.

    The phone calls were sent to a total of roughly 100,000 Arab residents of the Hamas stronghold. Among the cities and towns targeted in the phone warning were Beit Lahia, Beit Hanoun, and Absan, according to Walla!.

    In the phone warning, residents were told to evacuate and go to the west [the sea] or south [a locked gate] in order to avoid civilian casualties.

  150. MAP was OK when set up by Dr Swee Chai Ang after she had seen the horrors of Sabra and Shatila.

    The Israelis let the militias in.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

    In later times, more of a front organization up with the likes of Lord Patten late of ZBC, as president 2010-11.

    They have not changed anything for the Palestinians. http://www.map-uk.org/what-we-do/who-we-are.aspx Makes people feel good about joining organisations, fund raising and donating money.

    We know all this ‘news’. http://www.map-uk.org/news.aspx

    Charity is not the answer.

    PS I see Patten (I’ve been everywhere man!) is still working for the Catholics.
    Patten to advise Vatican on media strategy – The Guardian
    19 hours ago – Chris Patten, a Roman Catholic, worked on behalf of the British government to manage Pope Benedict’s visit to Britain in 2010.

  151. Ban Ki-Moon, the UN stooge appointed by the USUKIsNATO axis, mouths some meaningless words. He and the UN are irrelevant.

    Gaza situation ‘on knife-edge’ – UN chief Ban Ki-moon
    10 July 2014

    The situation in Gaza “is on a knife-edge”, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has said, urging Israel and Palestinian militants to end hostilities.
    Mr Ban warned that the region “cannot afford another full-blown war”.
    His comments come after Israel said Hamas had fired dozens of rockets at Israeli cities on Wednesday night, following Israeli air strikes in Gaza.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28240999

  152. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 4:23 pm

    Not sure if this belongs on a Yes! thread or a Gaza one. Anyway, congratulations.

    http://www.imemc.org/article/68408

    http://www.snp.org/people/humza-yousaf

    Wonder what Hague will bellow in response?

  153. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 5:13 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““The Russian state would have bumped him off. Whereas he is alive and well in Nazareth, under Israeli occupation, and free to write whatever he pleases.”

    You are trying to say, I think, that Israel maintains a free press even in the occupied areas”
    ________________________

    Doug, you pointed out to me that Jonathan Cook lives in Nazareth and that Nazareth was not in the West Bank occupied territories.

    Why then are you now talking about the “occupied areas” and quoting from what Reporters without Borders says about the “occupied Palestinian teritories”?

    Are you getting confused again, Doug?

  154. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 5:19 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    To summarize:

    Jonathan Cook lives in Israel (Nazareth) and is free to write what he likes.

    A Russian equivalent to Jonathan Cook, writing about Russian behaviour in Dagestan and Chechniya in the same way as Jonathan Cook writes about Israeli behaviour in the West Bank (and about Israel itself) would now be pushing up the daisies.

    Clear enough for you, Doug?

    ***************

    BTW – any thoughts about the recent attack on the Brussels Holocaust centre in which 4 people were killed?

    Still reflecting on a good answer?

  155. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 5:22 pm

    You musn’t let hatred blind you to logic, consistency and truth, Doug.

    Think about it, undergo a moral and spiritual rebirth! Perhaps your psychologist friend could help you?

  156. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    “The IDF on Thursday afternoon contacted by phone Arab residents of Gaza living near the security border, warning them to evacuate their homes immediately.”
    ________________

    Warning civilians to leave an area likely to come under military attack is quite obviously an egregious beach of international law and, as such, fully merits Mr Scorgie’s condemnation at 16h04 above.

    That’s right isn’t it, Doug?

  157. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 5:33 pm

    “MAP was OK when set up by Dr Swee Chai Ang after she had seen the horrors of Sabra and Shatila.

    The Israelis let the militias in.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

    In later times, more of a front organization up with the likes of Lord Patten late of ZBC, as president 2010-11.”

    ____________________

    There you go, Baal, you’ve been told.

    Yet another organisation Mary disapproves of. Quelle surprise!

  158. Mary now dislikes ‘the Catholics’ too? Add them to the list.

  159. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 7:13 pm

    Catholics,, cyclists (not even in lycra!), MAP, Ban Ki Moon and the UN, Theresa May, Agent Cameron, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Lady Justice Butler-Sloss, Habbabkuk, Anon, Resident Dissident, Jews, foxes, toads, turds and so on and so on – Mary dislikes them all.

    But the milkj of human kindness has not entirely dried up – she does like Macky (“Don’t you dare leave this blog!”)!

  160. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 7:14 pm

    Sorry, I forgot — she does like hens as well (but not cocks, I understand).

  161. doug scorgie

    10 Jul, 2014 - 7:14 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    10 Jul, 2014 – 5:19 pm

    “BTW – any thoughts about the recent attack on the Brussels Holocaust centre in which 4 people were killed?”

    Yes Habbabkuk, it was a despicable crime and I condemn it.

    But I think you ask that question because it occurred at the Holocaust Centre.

    Two of the victims were Jewish tourists, Emanuel and Miriam Riva, one victim was Moroccan immigrant Alexandre Strens and the other victim was Dominique Sabrier a French woman.

    All innocent people.

  162. A thrill is given to the troll when he writes the word ‘cock’ (again) indicating some personal medical malfunction.

  163. doug scorgie

    10 Jul, 2014 - 7:19 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    10 Jul, 2014 – 5:22 pm

    “You musn’t let hatred blind you to logic, consistency and truth, Doug.”
    “Think about it, undergo a moral and spiritual rebirth! Perhaps your psychologist friend could help you?”

    Was it something I said Habbakuk?

  164. doug scorgie

    10 Jul, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    100,000 Former Soviet Jews In Israel Return To Russia

    Michael Mainville
    The Toronto Star

    http://rense.com/general65/100000formersovietjews.htm

  165. Israeli atrocities elsewhere in Palestine. 7 July 2014

    Zionism in practice – Israel’s Daily Toll on Palestinian Life, Limb, Liberty and Property
    24 hours to 8am 07 July 2014

    13 air strikes – 2 attacks – 35 raids including home invasions – 3 beaten – 8 dead – 26 injured – 4 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage – 4 taken prisoner – 6 detained – 108 restrictions of movement

    Israeli night air strikes injure 4 children and 2 women
    Israeli tanks shell al-Mugheir village
    Israeli air strikes kill 5 blockade-resistance tunnel workers
    Israeli air strikes on refugee camp kill 2 and injure 1
    Israeli air strike on farm kills livestock
    Israeli soldiers beat up Palestinian woman refugee
    Settler fanatics, wielding metal bars, critically injure Hebron resident on his way to work
    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in 20 towns and villages
    http://www.sapienspromise.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3199

    Plus long detailed lists of atrocities and violations committed by the IDF and settlers in different parts of Gaza and the Occupied West Bank.

  166. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 7:38 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““You musn’t let hatred blind you to logic, consistency and truth, Doug.”
    “Think about it, undergo a moral and spiritual rebirth! Perhaps your psychologist friend could help you?”

    Was it something I said Habbakuk?”
    _______________________

    Not at all, Doug, merely the milk of human compassion. The Good Samaritan does not go by on the other side, you know.

  167. A terrible litany of 81 names of the Palestinians killed since Tuesday and the details compiled 3 hours ago.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1405014473.html

  168. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    “http://rense.com/general65/100000formersovietjews.htm”
    _______________________

    What a curious website you linked to, Doug. Are you a member of the Green Lizard brigade?

  169. BBC privatisation going well. Good. Dismantle the lot. But note that control of the public service broadcasting and newsgathering stays the way it is.

    BBC’s TV production shakeup could extend to news, radio and online
    ‘Compete or Compare’ strategy could open more areas to indies, except for core PSB activities such as global newsgathering
    Tony Hall’s BBC ‘compete or compare’ speech – full text
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/10/bbc-tv-production-news-radio-online-compare-or-compete

    Includes photo of a grinning idiot.

  170. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 7:48 pm

    Mary

    “A terrible litany of 81 names of the Palestinians killed since Tuesday and the details compiled 3 hours ago.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1405014473.html
    __________________

    Terrible indeed, Mary.

    Do you think Hamas will take heed and – to spare the Gazans such deaths in the future – cease firing (militarily-useless) rockets from Gaza into Israel?

  171. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 8:20 pm

    CNN; breaking new ground.

    Emphatically saying 81 Palestinians dead- Zero Israelis.

  172. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 8:57 pm

    No reason to doubt it, Ben. More than 550 injured, too. A third of Gaza’s hospitals and clincs have zero stocks, btw. Even Egypt is accepting Gazan casualties for treatment. Israel has today issued instructions to Gazans to clear the border area. Inbound traffic is expected to intensify on this one-way system.

  173. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:04 pm

    It’s only remarkable because it’s focused on the facts in Gaza/Israel, Ba’al.

    Check out this video. Diane Sawyer read the chyron and didn’t blink.

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/stricken-palestinians-israelis.html

  174. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    I caught the Sawyer story earlier today, Ben. The opposite trick, to a similar end, is played by our adorable media: headline re Hamas rocket shock horror: picture of almighty explosion of IDF ordnance in Gaza with very small title or none. There’s an article somewhere about a survey which showed the abysmal depth of public understanding of who was doing what to whom.

  175. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:19 pm

    ‘Cuz katyushas are even scarier than bottle-rockets on the 4th of July. :)

  176. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:29 pm

    If Hamas had the equivalent of Mark Regev – glad they don’t because then I would have to be equally nauseated by both sides – he would undoubtedly say that, plus or minus the odd bruise sustained scrambling for shelter. the zero casualties sustained by the Israelis prove conclusively that Hamas isn’t aiming to kill civilians.

  177. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:53 pm

    Actually, I could make a serious case for that myself, thinking about it. If the idiots concentrated their fire instead of spraying missiles notable only for their random ballistics in all directions, they could actually achieve more damage, as well as overwhelming the Iron Dome radars. Statistics support this theory.

  178. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 10:00 pm

    I think if some members of Hamas could acquire the ordnance necessary to do real damage, they would use it. As they said about the Joker, ‘some just want to blow up the world. For those types it’s all about revenge and a Palestinian solution would just result in their deployment to another hot spot.

  179. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Jul, 2014 - 12:11 am

    ““BTW – any thoughts about the recent attack on the Brussels Holocaust centre in which 4 people were killed?”

    Yes Habbabkuk, it was a despicable crime and I condemn it.”
    _____________________

    Given what you feel about Jews and Israelis, Doug, I hope you won’t be offended if I say that I don’t believe a word of it. Your dissembling lacks all credibility.

  180. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Jul, 2014 - 12:16 am

    “If Hamas had the equivalent of Mark Regev – glad they don’t because then I would have to be equally nauseated by both sides – he would undoubtedly say that, plus or minus the odd bruise sustained scrambling for shelter. the zero casualties sustained by the Israelis prove conclusively that Hamas isn’t aiming to kill civilians.”
    ________________

    So what would this Mark Regev equivalent say WAS Hamas’ aim in periodically firing off those rockets, Baal?

    Please enlighten us, bearing in mind Craig’s comment at 16h37 on 9 July.

  181. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) ! at 9 Jul, 2014 – 5:14 pm
    Focused almost exclusively on the “rockets” – Gosh, that was a surprise.

    info at 9 Jul, 2014 – 4:37 pm
    I would dearly like to say ’1984′ should be compulsory reading in school, but sadly that would be too ironic :(

    Long live Palestine! May Zion be thrown into the garbage bin of history. And yes, the yankee jihadists, the sectarianists, the Islamic “scholars” and the appalling Muslim “leaders” have all got blood on their hands. Scumbags.

  182. Why Israel is blind to Palestinian suffering
    Jonathan Cook
    10 July 2014

    Lots of people have been wondering over on my Facebook page how it is that Israelis are so incapable of understanding what bombing one of the most crowded places on earth entails: lots of Palestinian civilian casualties. Well, this Israeli TV interview with Palestinian Knesset member Haneen Zoabi should help.

    The programme is Meet the Press and was conducted before Israel’s attack on Gaza. The refusal of the interviewer to listen or engage with Zoabi’s argument is eye-opening and stomach-turning at the same time. Much of this ends up being a shouting match, with the interviewer trying to force-feed Zoabi the Zionist narrative.

    Israelis hear this narrative day in day out from primary school onwards. Their media almost never interview Palestinians, and when they do, as here, they simply try to drown them out.

    The interviewer, Rina Matzliach, says several times: “I do not understand you.” And she means it. Her mind is so rigidly programmed that logical arguments from the other side are quite beyond her comprehension.

    Let’s not forget too that this is the role of all mainstream media everywhere. To keep our minds tightly constrained by narratives that serve our own elites’ interests. Israeli narratives, to those of us not raised on them, appear preposterous. But our own narratives would sound equally preposterous to a Martian – or to us could we wean ourselves off the comforting illusions they afford us.

    Finally, there is a wonderful comment about Israeli democracy from Zoabi at about 14 mins in.

    Matzliach tells her she enjoys “the benefits of Israeli democracy”:

    Zoabi: I do not enjoy the benefits of democracy. I suffer from a racist democracy, which seizes my land and permits me one thing, Rina: the freedom of expression. And freedom of expression is not an indication of democracy, it is an indication of the strength of the state of Israel.* It is strong enough to grant me freedom of expression, knowing that my freedom to express myself will change nothing.

    Matzliach interrupts: But you don’t appreciate it.

    Zoabi: Look: see the incitement. The very moment that this freedom of expression disputes the red line, that is when the incitement starts.

    Watching Meet the Press, one wonders – like Zoabi – what the extent of freedom of expression really is in Israel.

    * I would add: Israel’s strength derives from its success in having ethnically cleansed Palestinians from their homeland.

    http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-07-10/why-israel-is-blind-to-palestinian-suffering/

    Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8UqucganIk

    (Very much like watching Hardtalk on BBC here or similar.)

  183. July 10, 2014

    Watch: Israeli propagandist “Mark Regev” gets throttled by British TV news anchor

    Watch Mark Regev (real name Mark Freiberg), Israel’s Australian-born Joseph Goebbels, lose his cool in an interview with Jon Snow of Britain’s Channel 4 News.
    http://www.redressonline.com/2014/07/watch-israeli-propagandist-mark-regev-gets-throttled-by-british-tv-news-anchor/

    The video was made in 2009 at the time of Operation Cast Lead. The subtitles are hilarious.
    Inside the mind of Mark Regev
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMd_js_oQAk#t=213

  184. One of the few sources of protein is taken away from the people of Gaza in this cruel and deliberate action.

    Palestine Solidarity Campaign UK

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/p526x296/10514696_751041348272463_5503456921735227305_n.jpg

    6 hours ago
    Israel has bombed Gaza’s port tonight. Fishermen’s boats, their source of livelihoods, are burning.

  185. Ali Abunimah on Gaza conflict: BBC World at 3am

    Co-founder of http://electronicintifada.net interviewed at 3am this morning on BBC World.

    Little risk that he’d be given a slot on BBC News at Six or Ten, not least because here he rightly criticises the BBC:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmEBj8qnHqQ

    ‘I take no sides, neither does the BBC’ said the presenter.

  186. Craig, you know why they put up with it: because they are amoral creeps, men and women without backbones, who rake in the money and don’t give a shit about anybody else or about hypocrisy. Those scum know which side their bread is buttered. Some of them may be nice to you in private. Then they go back to helping burn Arab babies.

    Good people don’t put up with it.

    Look at this piece of propaganda from the Torygraph:
    “<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10960956/Israel-air-strikes-on-Gaza-live.html"<Hamas strikes Israeli nuclear facility. Well actually Hamas doesn’t appear to have done so or even to have claimed to have done so.

    Curiously, this piece of MI6 propaganda in the Torygraph is exactly in line with what was supposedly put out by the fantastically skilled operatives of the Syrian Electronic Army after they hacked into an IDF Twitter account.

    Is the SEA perhaps other than it seems? I was thinking it was an Israeli front, but who knows, maybe it’s a little bit of a help job from MI6 or GCHQ.

    Britain – in the form of the Tory and MI6 Psy-Ops house journal called the Torygraph – appears to be falling over itself to be more Zionist than the Zionists. It is excelling itself in showing its utter commitment to the Zionist cause, to the death of the last Palestinian if ‘need’ be.

    David Cameron has called Netanyahu to express his support for Israel. Remember, British people reading this – we paid for that fucking phone call!

    Britain is NOT neutral in this conflict. Psychological warfare is part of warfare and Britain must be considered to be giving active support to the Israeli massacre.

    Presumably Cameron asked whether there was any more support he can offer than the extreme support he and the so-called British authorities and media have offered so far. “We’re doing everything we can do to help you, Sir. Is there anything more you would like us to do, Sir?

    Here is the top article on the Zionist ‘Google News’:

    Analysis: Israel is looking for the middle ground in Gaza”.

    Be thankful, oh un-chosen ones, that Avigdor Lieberman hasn’t yet settled down to his screen to watch the implementation of his favoured option: the nuking of Gaza, the world’s biggest concentration camp.

    It is of course common for the first article on Google News to be from the Jerusalem Post or Haaretz. And did I mention the New York Times?

    Here are links to two of the main Hamas websites:

    Al-Qassam Brigades

    Palestinian Information Centre

    The Hamas effort is heroic: Khaled Mishaal: “we will defend our land until the end, even if we stand alone“.

    Keep a watch on the UN Security Council. The US will probably deploy its veto to prevent the passing of any motion criticising the ongoing Gaza massacre. That’s been the main use of the veto by any country for the past 25 years. You won’t read about that in the New York Times or Telegraph.

  187. The Torygraph headline was “Hamas strikes Israeli nuclear facility“.

    Now they’ve changed it.

    A lot of such Winston Smithing goes on, without changing URL.

  188. Ba'al Zevul (For Gaza)

    11 Jul, 2014 - 9:18 am

    “Well, my dear Americans, that’s your tax dollars at work”

    http://gazatimes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/day-3-of-israeli-aggression-on-gaza-98.html

    “Allot of news was spreading about a possible ground invasion. Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbass, said a ground invasion will happen in the matter of hours, while Israeli defense minister, Moshe Yaalon, went out and announced the start of a ground invasion against Gaza, but then Israeli news said it will happen on Friday (Today) without mentioning a certain time.”

    Hope he’s wrong.

  189. Big Brother Corporation

    11 Jul, 2014 - 9:30 am

    The mainstream BBC News today is less informative and has less gravitas than John Craven’s Newsround back in the 70s and 80s.

    What’s amusing is that a lot of todays ‘news presenters’ (journalists are only allowed on screen to answer stupid, well rehearsed, questions from the studio as window dressing) who appear on News24 were on Newsround back in the 90s and 00s and have brought the same patronising dumbed down attitude with them.

  190. About Meshaal. Went off to take the Qatar riyal and we know about Qatar vis a vis their actions of support for the Syrian rebels.

    Why leave the people in Gaza? I do not know if he is still in Qatar.

    Hamas Activists Accuse Meshaal of Preferring Life in Exile
    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/10/meshaal-qatar-hamas-crisis-exile-beirut.html

  191. Ba'al Zevul (For Gaza)

    11 Jul, 2014 - 10:16 am

    There is some shit even Sisi’s government will not eat:

    The Egyptian minister demanded that the EU and the United States of America take immediate action to put an end to the ongoing escalation, the statement added.

    http://thecairopost.com/news/118053/news/egypt-urges-the-west-to-act-for-de-escalation-of-israeli-palestinian-conflict

  192. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    10 Jul, 2014 – 5:26 pm

    “Warning civilians to leave an area likely to come under military attack is quite obviously an egregious beach of international law and, as such, fully merits Mr Scorgie’s condemnation at 16h04 above.”

    “That’s right isn’t it, Doug?”
    ————————–

    The Israeli tactic Habbabkuk, is to frighten civilians into leaving their homes in order to destroy them, leaving them homeless.

    Extensive civilian deaths lead to bad PR.

    However Habbabkuk, as you will know, bombing civilian homes and infrastructure is still against international humanitarian law.

    Do you not condemn such practices?

  193. Destroying private property without due process is an egregious beach of any civil law code I can think of.

    Doug, please stop quoting its idiot objections to everything everyone says.

  194. The slaughter continued overnight.

    Gaza death toll hits 100 as Israel continues assault

    Published today (updated) 11/07/2014 13:30

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    Relatives and friends of the al-Hajj family gather in a mosque to
    pray over the bodies of eight family members during their funeral
    in Khan Younis, in the southern Gaza Strip, on July 10, 2014
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    GAZA CITY (Ma’an) — Eleven Palestinians have been killed in Israeli airstrikes since midnight Thursday, Gaza’s Ministry of Health said, bringing the death toll in Israel’s military assault to 100.

    The latest airstrike in central Gaza killed Hamas municipality employees Mazen Aslan and Mazen Abu Kas.

    Earlier, five Palestinians were killed and 15 injured in Rafah after the Israeli air force targeted the Ghannam family home.

    Ghaliya Dib Jaber Ghannam, 7, Wissam Abdulraziq Hassan Ghannam, 23, Mahmoud Abduloraziq Hassan Ghannam, 26, Kifah Shihada Dib Ghannam, 20, and Muhammad Munir Ashur, 25, were identified as those killed.

    The home was hit without warning and the impact of the airstrike completely destroyed the building and several surrounding properties.

    /..

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=711990

    Further on,

    ’1090 sites bombed

    Since the start of the operation, the Israeli military’s biggest offensive on Gaza since November 2012, its forces have hit over 1090 sites in Gaza.’

  195. Jonathan Cook comments

    ‘Extraordinary even by the BBC’s appalling standards on Israel-Palestine. A report that claims it will examine the weapons being used by both sides that then forgets Israel has any offensive weapons. There’s an extensive discussion of Hamas’ different rockets and their ranges, followed by an explanation of Israel’s anti-missile defence system Iron Dome. So no hidden message there about who’s the aggressor and who the victim, I guess.’

    https://www.facebook.com/Jonathan.Cook.journalist/posts/558241027617882

    referring to
    What weapons are being used in the Israel-Gaza conflict
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28245343

    written by the well known Zionist Jonathan Marcus.

  196. Thanks Mary for the info on Mishaal, of which I was unaware. (I still like that quote about defending themselves even if they stand alone, though – the quote reminds me of the heroism of the Warsaw Ghetto fighters, even if Mishaal himself is swanning about in Qatar!) I suppose there must already be some quislings in the Hamas leadership, even though the organisation derives its support from the justified enmity that people feel towards all the known and obvious quislings in Fatah.

  197. ‘The mainstream BBC News today is less informative and has less gravitas than John Craven’s Newsround back in the 70s and 80s.’

    The Beeb’s latest pathetic attempt at a ‘balanced’ report of the latest conflict (100+ dead in Gaza, zero fatalities in Israel) has just spectacularly backfired.

    In the lunchtime bulletin Ms Chakrabharti introduced Mr Reynolds, prefacing the interview by stressing there have been casualities ‘on both sides’. The scene of Reynolds report was not Gaza, but the burnt-out petrol station in Ashdod. The attempt to make this an Israeli- friendly ‘human interest’ piece was ruined as Reynolds’ word were drowned out by whistling and jeering Israeli thugs, cut from the same cloth as Avigdor Lieberman.

  198. Yes N it was pretty bad behaviour especially as Assad had given him a home or refuge if you like. Meshaal must have known what Qatar had been up with Saudi Arabia and our warmongers and their plans to depose Assad. No gratitude.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4164795,00.html

  199. Israel wants control of the oil / gas off the Palestinian coast. I suspect the plan is to seal off the Gaza strip from the coast, possibly with an extension of the ‘separation wall’, ostensibly to stop missiles shipped by Iran to Hamas from entering Gaza (which is bs anyway, but the MSM will take it as gospel). The coast line will then magically become Israeli territory, the resources will become Israeli resources and third parties will be legally covered in deals with Israel. However, it may just be a simple case of murdering Palestinians for the heck of it.

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