Cupar

by craig on August 30, 2014 4:59 pm in Uncategorized

Tonight’s meeting is upstairs at Watts of Cupar (Fife) 7pm. I have been astonished by the wave of popular enthusiasm and above all by the incredible meld of social media activism and old-fashioned street campaigning. The mainstream media have no idea what is going on as, on the rare occasions they try to cover a Yes happening, they are utterly thrown by the absence of men in suits to interview.

The other quite astonishing thing is the level of political radicalism at all the events I have attended. The world should pay attention to Robin McAlpine. In my view, Robin has the ability to become one of the most important contemporary political philosophers not just in Scotland, but in the World. His ideas of future political and social co-operation in more useful forms of economic transaction, and of politics without party structure, are profound. When the campaigning dies down I will discuss further.

Nobody wants simply to repeat Westminster corporate power structures in Scotland. There is a movement happening here which is truly revolutionary and feels like nothing I have experienced in my life before. I am deeply moved. If we achieve independence, it truly will be the victory of the people, not the politicians.

Postscript

An encounter at the Wellgate Centre Dundee today captured a key aspect of the campaign for me. An old lady refused to take one of our Yes leaflets. She said she was Labour, and that she had been told by the Labour Party that if Independence came, we would let all the foreigners in. I have no doubt she was telling the truth.

The Labour Party – running a Tory funded campaign against the people to try to hang on to their Westminster jobs, and resorting to the racist tactics of UKIP. An absolute moral disgrace.

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132 Comments

  1. So the majority of Scots who intend to vote NO (which is an action and does not indicate apathy) belong somehow less to “the people” than those who attend YES campaigning events?

    The YES campaign is everywhere, that’s true…

    …doing desperate things like covering up NO posters with their own (which they’re doing up and down the country)..

    and it’s also completely up itself.

  2. aah David, panic creeping in. You used to be so urbane.

  3. “Nobody wants simply to repeat Westminster corporate power structures in Scotland.”

    I suspect the higher echelons of the main scottish parties might have a different view, whatever they say to the grassroots.

  4. :-) But how far can euphoric sunlight go, feeding on itself and talking mainly to itself? NO are still ahead in the polls. Here‘s an interesting article on how YES and NO tend to do in the last month of referendum campaigning. (OK OK, it’s in the Torygraph, the SIS house journal, I know, but some of the analysis by the cited academic is of some value).

  5. Paul

    Yes, but you appear not to have noticed the UK’s three largest parties are being rejected.

  6. It’s not a revolution. A lot of people have put a lot of work into the YES campaign, and many of them have drunk themselves – mostly metaphorically speaking – into thinking that they’re going to hold onto the exhilaration forever. I hope most of them get over it without too much angst when they lose.

  7. Spotted you on a video of last night’s meeting at The Steps. Jim Sillars was speaking.

  8. This sounds very interesting, especially if it means that a large number of Yes voters have not been accounted for in the opinion polls. Come 18th September, we’ll no doubt learn the truth.

  9. The huge energy of the left in this is utterly novel. Ordinarily, if you want to contain the left you just leave them alone in a room for ten minutes and they’ll all strangle each other. It’s always been a a zoo of competing theologies.

    But McAlpine isn’t the only name emerging here – there’s Harvie of the Greens looking ever more assured, Shafi and Fox of the Socialists, and a number of powerful women whose position is hard to characterise in conventional terms. The metropolitan media are focused on the result on the 18th of September and seem genuinely unaware that a quite different force has been released.

    Ironically, and with some honourable exceptions, it’s probably only the trolls on your website who see this – which of course is why you have them.

  10. ” Ordinarily, if you want to contain the left you just leave them alone in a room for ten minutes and they’ll all strangle each other. ”

    Currently they’re all united towards a common goal, the infighting will start after the referendum.

  11. David T, Actually poll coming tomorrow shows a 51% for yes http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/298664/Poll-Now-51-back-independence and yes, that’s in the Daily Express.

  12. Very interesting. I have watched a gaggle of yes speakers on the internet these last few nights and the radical messages are exciting. Makes me wish I was there!

    Good luck with the rest of your tour.

  13. Craig, Vronksy anyone else

    On what basis is this consensus on the left held together? How do you think it might sustain after a yes vote (when the real battle starts)?

  14. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Aug, 2014 - 5:38 pm

    Since a Yes vote is supposed to wipe the slate clean, will there be an immediate general election in Scotland in the event of Scotland gaining independence?

    Should there be, in the opinion of commenters?

  15. ‘David T, Actually poll coming tomorrow shows a 51% for yes.’

    The link you’ve given, Andy C, appears to be dated 29/01/13.

    If there is a current poll showing a Yes majority, rather than a narrowing lead for the Noes, you should provide a better link.

  16. Oldmark, you are correct it’s an old link which I didn’t recognize. Please disregard my statement, I don’t think I can delete it.

  17. What struck me about the ICM Post-TV debate #2 poll[1] is that although 63% of the Don’t Knows thought Salmond had the better arguments[2] this does not appear to have persuaded enough of them to vote Yes.[3]

    [1] http://www.icmresearch.com/media-centre/polls/salmond-vs-darling-independence-referendum-debate-2
    [2] Table 5
    [3] Table 6

  18. I’ve enjoyed reading your blog over the past few months , and have found it very insightful . I’m trying to find the answer to a simple question , if we vote YES , or is that when . Is the consequence that England become independent by default ? The union between Scotland and England will be over after all .

  19. This is unattributed in the Mail. I assume it is laughingly called an editorial.

    Be positive… to save our British identity
    30 August 2014

    It began as an ‘eye-catching initiative’ by that constitutional bull-in-a-china-shop, Tony Blair, with his shallow idea that Scottish devolution would defuse the nationalists’ threat to Labour seats.

    But as so many warned, his restoration of the Edinburgh Parliament in 1999, almost three centuries after its dissolution, has had the opposite effect.

    Far from pulling the rug from under the nationalists, it has encouraged separatist feeling and given Alex Salmond a platform from which to stir up resentment.

    /..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2738213/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Be-positive-save-British-identity.html

  20. ‘The world should pay attention to Robin McAlpine. In my view, Robin has the ability to become one of the most important contemporary political philosophers not just in Scotland, but in the World.’

    Like(I would guess) most Englishmen, I’d not heard of Robin McAlpine before reading this post from Craig.He’s a leading light in the Jimmy Reid Foundation and, like his deceased mentor, is a brilliant and engaging public speaker (I’ve checked out some of his stuff on you tube). I can see why he gets such a ringing endorsement from Craig; if the Yes team has a few more like him they may well swing it by 18 September.

  21. and this too. Oh dear! Worthy of Woman’s Own. Is that still around?

    Of whisky, seals and wild swims, and why the fate of Scotland is so deeply personal to David William Donald Cameron
    David Cameron said the rest of the UK wants Scotland to remain onboard
    He said by leaving the UK, Scotland will be forced to exit the EU
    He said the various parts of the UK had separate identities but shared links

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738215/Of-whisky-seals-wild-swims-fate-Scotland-deeply-personal-David-William-Donald-Cameron.html

  22. The 1707 political union stated that both England and Scotland would cease to exist, all would be known as the United Kingdom, of course that never happened in either case, though Scotland was wrongly supposed to have been subsumed in a ‘Greater England/North Britain’ and England clearly continued to exist, as a political entity and as a people. The treaty had set impossible goals and was flagrantly voided by both parties from the word go. Historic, proud nations are not easily erased. Wales at the time of Union a principality of England, is nowadays internationally recognised as a country in its own right, though still integrated with England more tightly, as much earlier, than Scotland ever became. It is really only an issue of what is to become of the Westminster Parliament, will it become again England’s parliament, or will England muddle along as a ‘united’ kingdom of one kingdom? I see Westminster, as a tourist attraction, something like the Bloody Tower only gorier, or as a film set for a historical soap opera, Dowturn Abbey. This whole Kingdom thing is a bit embarassingly antiquated and quaint. Scotland isn’t choosing independence from England, it’s taking back its political and economic powers, given to Westminster for a 300 year trial, which hasn’t worked out at all well. Of course there’ll be an informal civil union continuing and there will always be an England, shorn of splittist London perhaps, with government based in the Midlands or North. It’s a matter for England’s people, how they’ll style themselves in future, “England” has a certain ring to it.

  23. “..thrown off by men in suits” I didn’t know it had been consigned to dirty fucking hippies, but that seems to be mcAlpines notion.

    “So when each member of the panel in that Westminster committee room were asked to answer the question ‘what can England do to help you?’, my answer was straightforward. Bear witness. We are a grassroots campaign of ordinary people who have been accused of the most awful behaviours and attitudes. Look and listen to us. Do we really seem like fascists to you? Is Neil Ascherson an English-hating zealot? Is Joyce McMillan covered in Scotland the Brave tattoos, hollering freedom? Is Cat Boyd contemptuous of the poor of England? Is David Greig a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal?”

    http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/07/04/our-friends-in-the-south/

  24. I have to agree on the rise of Robin McAlpine during the last few years.He has been inspirational and surely must be a future FM in waiting.

  25. Craig, I really hope Scotland wins independence and that you become the Scottish Foreign Secretary!

  26. “Ordinarily, if you want to contain the left you just leave them alone in a room for ten minutes and they’ll all strangle each other. It’s always been a a zoo of competing theologies.”

    Yes. Why is that? Conservatives seem much better at concealing their differences and closing ranks around a single theme. They’ve started breaking ranks more lately. Sign of the Times?

  27. jermynstreetjim

    30 Aug, 2014 - 8:07 pm

    Craig,(addressing your august allusion to Robin McAlpine) Isobel Lindsay’s wee boy, Robin, is a very articulate, intense and impassioned (bordering on near paroxysms of parlance and oratory) interlocutor for the Brave New Caledonia, which is up for grabs, come the 18th September. The trouble with his (and theirs) Nordic Model aspirations, however, is that he and they (notwithstanding the recent, and inevitable, fissiparous developments, characterizing the respective personnel in the Reid Foundation & Common Weal) are under the misapprehension, that any (unlikely)post-Referendum, ‘Yes’ mandate for a more progressive and egalitarian model for governance, overlooks the stark fact (in our opinion), The Scot’s, collectively, have struggled to move on from the ramifications of their own 400 year old, ‘renaissance’ & reformation, whose legacy still continues to pollute and poison the body politic, north of Hadrian’s Wall. Also, the endemic and intrenched, parochial nature of the average Scot, precludes them, from laying claim to any comparable credentials, with, for example, Scandinavia’s citizenry, whose Swedish, Norwegian, Icelandic, Finnish & Danish citizenry, exude an understated and self-assured enlightenment, which is seldom evident, in Salmond’s Athens of The North/Shortbread City, or it’s more gregarious and generous, Sister City, on The Clyde. There may exist pockets of more purposeful, and promising potential, up in Perthshire, and the like, but such privileged and peaceful repositories of genteel and urbane manners and mindset, are unrepresentative of the more typical, aggressive, agitated and apoplectic demographic, which personifies large numbers of it’s citizenry, in the major conurbations. In conclusion, The Nordic Model is fine as an example of a more tolerant and visionary,forward-looking, Societal template, but the raw material which comprises the curmudgeonly complexions to be found here in many of Scotland’s Inner-City areas such as Fred Goodwin’s, birthplace of Paisley, or Tom Farmer’s Leith, leave a lot to be desired, notwithstanding the odd token, Civic stunts/enterprises, such as truncated Tram Service/s….. !

  28. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Aug, 2014 - 8:18 pm

    The President of the European Council, Herman van Rompuy, is not the most charismatic of men but was at least able to communicate fluently and effectively – knocking heads (often Heads) together, press briefings after European Councils, high level meetings with people and bodies both within and outwith the EU – in fluent English, French, German and of course his native Flemish.

    I look forward to his designated monoglot successor, Polish PM Donald Tusk, being able to do the same (not). :)

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Aug, 2014 - 8:22 pm

    And still on people:

    MARY

    Would you please find out forthwith whether the genial Robin McAlpine, of whom mention above, is in any way related to the late Lord McAlpine of non-paedophile fame? If so, please supply a genealogical tree.

    Thank you.

  30. Off topic but I have read recently that the Scottish government are boycotting all Russian cultural events. I take it they are playing poodle to the Westminster lies regarding Ukraine.
    Anyone know if this is true or not?
    Thanks in anticipation.

  31. find out forthwith whether the genial Robin McAlpine, of whom mention above, is in any way related to the late Lord McAlpine of non-paedophile fame? If so, please supply a genealogical tree.

    How long this cretin must be endured?

    It has nothing to say of any value and its shrill hatred poisons this blog.

  32. I should think that it is a protest against the fact, as Craig himself has noted on other threads, that arguing for independence as the Scots are doing is a crime in Russia http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/aug/05/bbc-world-service-website-siberia-artem-loskutov

  33. Humanitarian crisis? Time to carpet-bomb…

    “The complex civil war, which has now morphed into a three-way free-for-all among rebels, the Syrian regime and a caliphate of Islamic extremists attacking virtually everyone, has driven at least 3 million people from Syria into neighboring countries. The movement is stressing already fragile nations such as Jordan and Lebanon, who have born the brunt of the exodus even as both deal with their own unstable internal political situations.

    Turkey also has received hundreds of thousands of refugees and continues to struggle to control its own border; thousands of foreign Jihadi fighters have used Turkey to access the Syrian battlefield. They offset the tens of thousands of Syrian fleeing the fighting, leaving southern Turkey awash in desperate refugees and militants of all stripes.

    In terms of world history, the IRC, considered one of the world’s most effective aid organizations, says the situation has reached a level of disaster not seen worldwide since the Rwandan genocide, more than 20 years ago that saw fewer people – about 1.5 million _ displaced but nearly a million killed. The casualties in the Syrian conflict have been estimated by the United Nations conservatively at over 200,000 dead since it began in early 2011.

    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/08/29/238157_syrias-violence-prompts-worse.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1#storylink=cpy

  34. “How long this cretin must be endured?”

    Craig likes him.

  35. Craig likes him.

    Are you sure?

    Never thought of Craig being into S&M stuff.

    BTW Ben as an American you seem to be of an enlightened kind, the thoughts of human rights and freedom brand are only the brochure talk, and irrelevant in reality. Although they can be a gush darn good excuse to carpet bomb the world on its way to freedom and human rights!

  36. ” Although they can be a gush darn good excuse to carpet bomb the world on its way to freedom and human rights!”

    That’s the sinecure, fedup and I’m not enlightened, just struggling like you to find the truthful banter.

  37. Quel dommage!

    LABOUR front-bencher Jim Murphy has suspended his Scotland-wide referendum tour, claiming Yes Scotland was orchestrating a campaign of intimidation by sending mobs of protesters to disrupt it.
    The shadow foreign secretary is seeking police advice after a series of incidents, which culminated in him being pelted with eggs as he spoke in Kirkcaldy this week.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/jim-murphy-suspends-referendum-tour-after-egging-1-3524774

    I quite agree. Waste of good eggs. ;)

  38. @phil

    The consensus on the left is held together by the spotting of an opportunity to undermine the elite state. I think leftists must be guiltily aware somewhere in their subconscious of their serial failure to accomplish anything, while also noticing (though not of course acknowledging) that the despised bourgeois SNP has managed to make some social advances, or at least defend a few of our remaining decencies.

    The general buzz in the country has brought McAlpine and others to wider attention, and non-party organisations like Commonweal and the Reid Foundation have done a great deal of work in delineating a different kind of politics – plausibly so, in my opinion. They have been massively active in canvassing, lecturing, registering voters – working to make independence happen. It will be difficult or impossible to exclude them from the negotiations which follow (Salmond’s invitation to Darling was mischievous).

    After independence? On va le voir.. I’ve heard McAlpine say that he does not intend to start a new political party, but there are also reports that he does. For my money, the dog to watch is the Green Party. They have membership, charismatic leadership in Patrick Harvie, and some experience.

    Labour? They will be left with 3000 members and no money. They’re gone, thank God.

  39. Here’s an idea from a black-hearted Unionist:

    The Westminster system is corrupt and worse than useless. (Yes, lots of people have noticed). If somebody has original and practical ideas for the governance and administration of the country, why not spread it from Land’s End to John O’Groats? We need change and we need reform. We need honesty and common sense. But I find this separatist “It’s our bat and it’s our ball and we’re going home” mentality disturbing and I suspect that it’s long-term effect will not be positive. Time will tell, I suppose; let’s hope I’m wrong.

  40. @richard

    There are no secret recipes. Google Commonweal and Reid Foundation and take away anything you think you can use. You have your own bat and ball, you just have to figure out how to use them. Be assured of our support if it can be helpful. You’ve already made a good start by reading Craig’s blog.

  41. Vronsky, is it the brief five page PDF file that you have in mind?

  42. The new chair of the BBC Trust. Place person of course. YCNMIU

    Rona Fairhead is a member of the United Kingdom Government’s Cabinet Office, supporting the Prime Minister to ensure effective development, coordination, and implantation of policy and operations across all government departments.

    From Forbes:
    Profile

    On February 6, 2014, the Board of Directors of PepsiCo, Inc. elected Rona Fairhead as an independent member of the Board, effective March 13, 2014.

    Mrs. Fairhead, 52, served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the Financial Times Group, a division of Pearson plc, from 2006 to 2013. Pearson is an international media education company and the Financial Times Group division provides financial news, data, commentary and analysis in print and online to the international business community. She previously served as Pearson’s Chief Financial Officer from 2002 to 2006.

    Prior to joining Pearson, Mrs. Fairhead held a variety of leadership positions at Bombardier Inc., in the Aerospace division, and at Imperial Chemical Industries plc, a specialty chemicals company, where she ultimately served as Executive Vice President of Strategy and Group Financial Control.

    Mrs. Fairhead was named a Commander of the Order of the British Empire in 2012 and was appointed a British Business Ambassador in 2014. In addition, she is a member of the United Kingdom Government’s Cabinet Office, supporting the Prime Minister to ensure effective development, coordination, and implantation of policy and operations across all government departments.

    She currently serves on the board of directors of HSBC Holdings plc and chairs the board of HSBC North America Holdings. She is also on the board of the Economist Group.

    http://www.forbes.com/profile/rona-fairhead/

  43. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/29/islamic-state-saudi-arabia-rethink-extremism

    ” Saudi salafism is not the wellspring of hardline Islamic groups worldwide, but it is part of something that might be – a tendency for Arab and Muslim governments to pay lip service to Islam to bolster their religious credentials through politically expedient means. These leaders simultaneously instrumentalise religion while oppressing any form of religious opposition. The combination of serious cash and the religious weight that comes from being the birthplace of Islam renders Saudi Arabia the most dangerous member of this club.

    The long-term solution to the constant reincarnation of radical Islamic political movements doesn’t lie in grand public gestures like anti-terrorism funding, strong statements of condemnation, or “rehabilitation clinics” for radicals, but in dismantling state-sponsored religious indoctrination. As the Isis threats march on, the old calculations no longer work in Arab governments’ favour.

    By Nesrine Malik.”

    As in the West, freedom of opinion is tightly controlled in Saudi Arabia, except for a limited period for pilgrims visiting the Holy Sites. It’s very stupid to block your ears to the opinions of intelligent and well-meaning members of your own society.

    Nuff said.

  44. That idiot grand mufti with his inane grin, happy he is in the presence of the high sock puppets, mind the arms sticking up the puppets butts have been photoshoped properly.

    It is notable that, in particular, the Saudi government has scrambled to deny any links to the group. In the past two weeks, the usually low-profile Saudi ambassador in the UK sent a strongly worded letter to the Guardian. The embassy issued a press release to the same effect, and last week the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia himself made a statement condemning Isis. This follows a $100m contribution to a UN anti-terror programme.

    Al Saud pederasts throwing around chump change to confuse the chase hounds.

    Now everyone but their granny know about the iSIS funders, although Qataries have a lot to answer to.

  45. Fedup

    Azhar University clerics, Ahle Hadith clerics etc are all rushing to condemn Islamic State, while rushing their followers to their assistance. No doubt Cameron is offering big payouts for spraying pig-muck on Islam. The stench of hypocrisy is eye-watering.

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Aug, 2014 - 11:29 pm

    Fedup

    ” find out forthwith whether the genial Robin McAlpine, of whom mention above, is in any way related to the late Lord McAlpine of non-paedophile fame? If so, please supply a genealogical tree.

    How long this cretin must be endured?”
    ___________________

    What was cretinous about my question?

    The two people have the same surname and so might be related, albeit distantly.

    Mary is this blog’s resident expert at finding family connections and, indeed, connections of other natures.

    And Lord McAlpine was found not to have been a paedophile, the accusations against him having proved to be false.

    So what’s the problem, Fedup? Is it that I didn’t use words like “scum” or “devils”?

  47. Is anyone else perplexed by the “main news” story on the mass media over the past couple of days. Why should parents taking their sick child from a hospital and going to sunny Spain – probably for a break – be more important than the NATO summit, the activities of ISIS, and the events in Ukraine?

  48. What was cretinous about my question?

    Would it not be strange that a cretin could discern or understand its cretinous ways?

    The fundamental pillars of cretins creed lie in their blissful ignorance of their cretinous existence and ways.

    Scum is to denote filth, effluent, faeces as in zionist scum! Devil is to denote an unholy rats’ knacker; an unholy trinity of a gobshite, a caviller, and a swindler.

  49. jermynstreetjim

    31 Aug, 2014 - 12:23 am

    Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella) !;

    Not that it comes within our more esoteric areas of interest and curiosity, Habbabkuk, but you wouldn’t also be responsible, or even perhaps, loosely and tenuously associated, with this Blog’s seeming preoccupation with the ‘McAlpine’s Fusiliers’ saga, that the lithe, lissome and less than circumspect, (on occasion) decorous Wife(let) of the incumbent Speaker of The House of Commons, would you.. ????? http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/lord-mcalpine-shock-new-question-from-australia/

  50. jermynstreetjim

    31 Aug, 2014 - 12:25 am

    Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella) !;

    Not that it comes within our more esoteric areas of interest and curiosity, Habbabkuk, but you wouldn’t also be responsible, or even perhaps, loosely and tenuously associated, with this Blog’s seeming preoccupation with the ‘McAlpine’s Fusiliers’ saga, that the lithe, lissome and less than circumspect, (on occasion) decorous Wife(let) of the incumbent Speaker of The House of Commons, also fell foul of, would you.. ????? http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/lord-mcalpine-shock-new-question-from-australia/

  51. Yes Peacewisher I was just thinking the same thing. Have his parents committed a crime exercising their parental responsibility by removing him from the care of the NHS? They believe the NHS is not providing the care they wish for him and choose as is their right to go to other hospitals in the European Union where they may get better treatment and are prepared to pay from their own funds to achieve that aim.

    Now it seems, at tax payers expense, a party of Hampshire’s plod will be flying to Spain to ask the already arrested parents questions and arrange to have the family extradited to the UK against their will. Will this be a case for the human rights lawyers to get their teeth into and sue the NHS big time? Talk about nanny state.

  52. Talk about nanny state.

    Kicking all the international treaties into touch, St Theresa of May is now planning to take away the nationality of the so called “jihadi terrorists”, and take away their passports.

    Recollecting that the anti terror laws have now come to lend the establishment 786 national intelligence agencies, and councils are using the same laws to set up camera cars to issue parking fines, and to catch dog poop dumpers, we can expect the purchase of train tickets and metro tickets to be mandated to sale on production of passport for even a tighter control of the population.

  53. Just wanted to say what a pleasure it was to hear you talk and to meet you on Friday night.

    The whole evening was an uplifting experience.

    I’m inclined to agree with you about Robin McAlpine. He is so full of energy and excitement about the possibilities that independence can bring Scotland.

    Thanks for being a sport and being photographed with Munguin. You will shortly be joining his hall of fame!!

    We appreciate you joining in.

    As some of the panel on Friday (Jim and Robin, I think) said, we need you to be a part of the negotiating team. So take care of your health. We need you fit and well.

  54. Its very puzzling, despite the high level of awareness we are seeing on the web, they are carrying out al-Ghouta,MH370,Maidan sniping,Gaza,MH17 with complete impunity. Even this delayed MH17 report is part of that impunity,

    Surely the Beast will not allow the loss of Scotland to the “realm”.

  55. “The other quite astonishing thing is the level of political radicalism at all the events I have attended.”

    The trouble with radicals is they become loose cannons once their destabilizing antics have fulfilled their initial purpose. Will the Tartan Reich subsequently oust them, to effect ‘normalization’ for the new regime?

  56. Labour, Tories and UKIP don’t represent the British majority. All three parties are controlled by the lobby groups working for the foreign interests. After listening to pro-Israel rants from Cameron and Miliband – Brit comedian Alexei David Sayle, compared Israeli bloodshed in Gaza to that of prolific sex offender Sir Jimmy Savile.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/07/29/jew-comedian-israel-is-jimmy-savile-of-nation-states/

  57. “…resorting to the racist tactics of UKIP.”

    So you promise never to mention the English, or the Scottish, in your ‘non-racist’ campaigns for an independent nation of the Scottish people?

    Speaking of which, will the Picts get their own reservation, or be injected with ginger dna?

  58. Mr. Murray – I just came across this post which you should read.

    http://www.intmensorg.com/scottishindependence.htm

  59. Habbabuk,

    Your attempted conflation of Macalpines is one of your ugliest tawdriest sockpuppet efforts to date-and God knows there’s been many.

    You deeply twisted ignorant fuck.

  60. Gurgle gurgle blub

    31 Aug, 2014 - 4:10 am

    The helpless panic of old-time British mandarins is fascinating to behold. They imagined that they could maintain their hold on the people of Scotland with a thousand little worries: What about the currency? What about the alliances? What about this, What about that?

    But it’s not working, Is it? Something is happening that the hireling Britons cannot grasp.

    The one really ineluctable aspect of Scottish independence is functionally equivalent to the relief of a good puke. Disgust is the fundamental impetus. The first reaction is renunciation of a British state that has pissed away its legitimacy and sovereignty with corruption, predation, repression, and war. Your grand British traditions and hallowed institutions, you’ve tainted them and poisoned them and now I’m blowing them back out my gullet in sour chunks. It’s such a relief to leave your motley fucked-up nation steaming on the pavement.

  61. Has it been noticed that Gaza has been totally excised from the corporate media’s memory?

    ZBC even have the nerve to have a piece dated 27th August about Netanyahu declaring his war’a victory’ on their ME page.

    What about the reparations ZBC?

  62. even if Galloway is against Scottish Independence, am sure most of us on this blog still respect him, so some updates. tw bwhat is “religiously-aggravated assault”?

    Man charged over George Galloway assault
    A man has been charged with religiously-aggravated assault after MP George Galloway was attacked in a west London street….
    Neil Masterson, 39, of Camden Hill, will appear at Hammersmith Magistrates Court on Monday…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-28998607

    allegedly he’s either a Catholic or Protestant Zionist & this is said to be his FB page:

    Favourites:
    Conservatives, David Cameron, Better Together, MiG-29 Fulcrum, United with Jerusalem, With Israel. Against fascist Hamas., Rupert Hayes Hairdressing, ‎‎‎‎רפואת ילדים להורים‎, ‎אגדה מתחם האירועים‎‎, ‎‎משרד עורכת דין עדי ביבר לקואה – דיני עבודה‎, JMA Jewish Media Agency‎‎, Beta Gershom, American Friends of LIBI, I love Israel, Canaan Online‎‎‎, World Forum of Russian-speaking Jewry, Shadows of Shoah | Holocaust, Sharing Israel, ARCHEOLOGY ISRAEL, Creative Community For Peace, I Care About the IDF, Tel Aviv, ‎‎KLM UK, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, ‎‎חרם על מוצרים מתורכיה‎, ‎אמרי יוסף‎‎‎, ‎‎Pat Condell, ‎הפטריה- טיפול בפטרת ציפורניים‎‎, Campaign Against Antisemitism UK, Israël : Je me Defends donc je Suis, Britain First‎‎‎, ‎‎‎Cioccolato valore italiano 1895, Bobby Bruce sweet, ‎‎דנה זוהרים – זוהרים לאירועים • מסיבת רווקות • אביזרים למסיבות‎, ‎לאקי סטייל נושי בע”מ‎‎‎, RC Collezioni Milano Italia, Standing With IDF-Worldwide, Supporting Israel, Yes 2 Israel‎, Seaside Caravans, Man City, Man City Fans, Never Again, Jews News, The Jewish Press, John Hagee Ministries, VirtualJerusalem.com, Israel Forever Foundation‎‎, ‎The Israel Project, Spirit of Israel, I stand with Israel, Stand with Israel, Aphrodite Creations, Shavei Israel, StandWithUs, World Jewish Congress, IDF Spokesperson, World Zionist Organization – Israel, UK friends of Israel, Israel Solidarity Campaign, UK., Conservative Friends of Israel, Conservative Friends of Israel, I Support Israel, Israel, Jerusalem, Capital of Israel, ‎‎‎‎‎Benjamin Netanyahu – בנימין נתניהו‎, IDF Women‎, The Prime Minister of Israel, Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs‎, Jerusalem Prayer Team, United With Israel, The Jewish Agency for Israel, The White House‎, Stand for Israel, The Times of Israel, Israel Navy, Friends of the IDF (FIDF), The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com, Israel Air Force, Christians United for Israel (CUFI), Israel Defense Forces, Marcus Borg‎‎and 67 more
    https://www.facebook.com/neil.masterson.5?ref=br_rs&fref=browse_search

    biasedbbc hate george, but they have some stuff in the comments re threats to george…
    http://biasedbbc.org/blog/2014/08/30/oh-dear-what-a-shame/

  63. What is this Biased BBC blog about? Another right wing outfit. David Vance. NI Unionist it appears.

  64. “she had been told by the Labour Party that if Independence came, we would let all the foreigners in”

    The worst part of this is that it is such an out and out lie – it is Labour that likes letting foreigners in!

  65. @fedup

    Yes, that PDF – the Wee Blue Book.

  66. Who appointed Fairhead – Religion Judaism. ?

    A. Sajid Javid Culture Secretary He is a member of Conservative Friends of Israel. They have paid for two trips to Israel and another to Australia for him!!

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=24854

    ‘Big job

    The appointment was ultimately decided by The Queen on a recommendation from Culture Secretary Sajid Javid.Mr Javid described Mrs Fairhead as an “exceptional” individual with a “highly impressive career”.
    “Her experience of working with huge multinational corporations will undoubtedly be a real asset at the BBC Trust,” he said.
    “I have no doubt she will provide the strong leadership the position demands and will prove to be a worthy champion of licence fee payers.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29001401

    “I am sure that under Rona’s leadership the BBC will continue to play a central role in informing, educating and entertaining the nation.”

  67. A quick web search shows that Neil Masterson, the man accused of beating up George Galloway, is a rabid Zionist upholder of Jewish racism.

    He’s charged with religiously motivated assault.

    That charge is for obvious reasons likely to be dropped.

    Here‘s the kind of thing a person who gave his name as ‘Neil Masterson’ is on record as saying:

    I want to get out on the streets of London and, with defiant and dignified pride, show my support for Israel… Can someone tell me where?” (14 August)

    The pride that Jews and Israelis have in their armed forces – the peerless IDF – and their state, theyre whole idea of nationhood is a shining example to us all, just how successful a society can be… I truly salute all Jews and Israelis – theyre the envy of the world…” (14 August)

  68. @
    Fed up

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty

    Our inclination, teaching and learning is our summos bonum,
    Such deviation from exposes to a nature that judged democratically becomes unlawful in such.
    Help is the return.
    Do I need to remind you what’s between a police state and a polite state-
    T now put the kettle on.

  69. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 9:12 am

    “It’s not possible to be a decent person and vote no and we shouldn’t be ashamed of saying that”

    Some would say that is a moral disgrace as well.

  70. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 9:19 am

    @Mary “I quite agree. Waste of good eggs.”

    Some would also say that punching Galloway would also be a waste of good energy – but both acts constitute an assault. Perhaps Mary would let us know where she draws the line between assaults that she is prepared to crack jokes (or even crack yolks) about and those that she doesn’t – does it just depend on the victim? Where does she stand on BDS demonstrators terrifying shop staff when they trash a shop or Stop the City demonstrators doing the same when the smash windows.?

  71. Maybe this is a naive question, but one thing that has struck me about the independence debate is how seemingly desperate the ruling elite in London are to hold on to the Union. Why is this? It can’t be just the oil money. Is it wounded pride? Or is it just that no Mafia Don likes to have his power base challenged? Or something else? Thoughts anyone?

    Also, is there a chance that if the Yes vote wins those same ruling elites in London might just try and fuck the newly independent Scotland up out of spite?

  72. The ex chair of LFoI was not injured.

    Mr Galloway was badly injured.

    You can fuck off too with your censorious tone. Who the hell do you think you are Eslo/RD?

    Suggest you direct your tutorial to the Zionist fanatic Mr Masterton.

  73. “The worst part of this is that it is such an out and out lie – it is Labour that likes letting foreigners in!”

    Not a lie Techno, a misrepresentation. One of those he said she said he said Chinese whispers being bandied about for propaganda purposes.

    The fact is that if Scotland were to become independent they would encourage immigrant labour. There is nothing wrong with that, it’s simple economics, Scotland has a high proportion of elderly people, without immigrant workers paying taxes the welfare budget would not add up.

    So we don’t know what the Labour representative actually said to the woman and we can’t be too sure about what the woman said to Craig. That she was bigoted and would let the thought of immigrants influence her decision I can well believe, there are a lot of bigoted people around. That it should reflect on the No campaign? … No.

  74. I have just switched Sky News on for Murnaghan. Who should he have on first on the subject of control orders? Hazel Blears, another Friend of Israel in the BRITISH parliament and known fraudster on her second home repeat flipping. A paragon of rectitude would like to see more Muslims banged up. She wants control orders brought back to replace St Theresa’s TPIMs.

    I see she picked up £5,000 in May from the very democratic government of Bahrain.
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=10048

    £4,000 pa as ‘Adviser to Juice Advisory, providing strategic advice on crime and policing matters, for one day per quarter from 1 January 2013.’ ??

    http://www.lfi.org.uk/lfi-supporters-in-parliament/

  75. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 10:19 am

    Mary

    So we can take it that you are happy to condone assaults of Friends of Israel providing that they don’t result in injury? What do you classify as injury – does it have to be physical or would you count shock?

    I have already made it clear that Mr Masterton’s actions constituted an assault and that he should now face the full legal consequences of his action. What we are exploring here are your views regarding how the law should be applied for assault.

  76. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 10:21 am

    Mary

    Could you please declare your financial interests – I do hope you are not a beneficiary of the UK State.

  77. “Maybe this is a naive question, but one thing that has struck me about the independence debate is how seemingly desperate the ruling elite in London are to hold on to the Union. Why is this? It can’t be just the oil money. Is it wounded pride? Or is it just that no Mafia Don likes to have his power base challenged? Or something else? Thoughts anyone?

    Also, is there a chance that if the Yes vote wins those same ruling elites in London might just try and fuck the newly independent Scotland up out of spite?”

    I’m not sure all of the ruling elite in Westminster are too desperate for Scotland to remain in the Union. They are deft enough to turn the situation to their advantage as what the outcome of the referendum. Obviously the Scottish politicians at Westminster would rather be in London than Edinburgh, one good thing about the union is that we can ditch our biggest bastards on London, in an independent Scotland they would stay in Scotland.

    I think there is a good chance an independent Scottish government would try and fuck the UK up out of spite.

  78. The Wiki page for the new chair of the BBC Trist has been heavily edited since yesterday. The reference to her religion as Judaism has been removed.!! Wonder why?

    viz
    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rona_Fairhead&diff=next&oldid=623494831

    The original Wiki page was a two liner. The entry for Religion – Judaism was in the Personal Details.

    The page now – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rona_Fairhead

  79. Let’s hope this assault on Mr Galloway doesn’t set back the production of his film any further.

  80. No I am a contributor, financially and in other ways which are none of your bloody business.

  81. BBC Trust not Trist.

  82. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 10:35 am

    @Fred “The fact is that if Scotland were to become independent they would encourage immigrant labour.”

    This is open to interpretation – officially the Scottish Govt has said that following independence they would remain part of the CTA (with the rest of the UK and Ireland) and not join Schengen – which would mean sharing the same immigration rules as the rest of the CTA. http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/11/5894/16

    Craig and others however argue that immigration policy would change if Scotland became independent. We see exactly the same officially we say this but unofficially we will do this in a number of other areas from Yes campaigners (e.g. NATO and the Monarchy are two that come to mind but I guess that there are others) – perhaps those supporting a Yes vote might wish to comment on whether such an approach is consistent with normal democratic practice. As an outsider I do find this nod and a wink approach verging on the dishonest.

  83. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 10:39 am

    Mary

    The question was not about contributions – although I do hope you pay your taxes – but whether you are a beneficiary. You are the one who seems to argue that their can be no independence of thought from those who provide you with benefits – it seems somewhat unfair to apply this standard to Hazel Blears and many many others when you are not prepared to apply it to yourself with equal diligence.

  84. Do the comments on Facebook by Neil Masterson go back beyond August? I’m not on Facebook and just wondered if he could have been primed, only recently, to carry out this assault.

  85. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 10:48 am

    BTW Mary you still have not expounded as to where you believe the boundary lies between acceptable and unacceptable assault. Some of us believe all assaults and violence are unacceptable – you clearly don’t, so it is beholden on you to support you position by saying where you would redraw the boundary. Or perhaps you just believe the judgement should just be made according to the poltics of the assaultee?

  86. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 Aug, 2014 - 10:50 am

    Resident Dissident

    I have reason to believe that Mary is in receipt of a UK state pension and a pension from the NHS.

    As always, I stand ready to be corrected.

  87. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 11:02 am

    Habba

    Then by her own perverted logic she must an agent of the evil UKUSIsNATO (or whatever they call it this week – it was so much easier when it was anti-Soviet elements) axis as independent thought is not possible. I can only assume the endless flow of anti-establishment propaganda she puts up is because she is an agent provocateur or is trying to divert attention away from some even worse truths.

  88. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 11:04 am

    Mary

    Is the Lithuanian President worth an egg should she visit the UK?

  89. Within the dark corridor of world disorder and turmoil is a door to another path. And the people of Scotland hold the keys, a vital portal to a neoteric beginning promising hope for future generations.

    First, we must prepare to write a constitution. The opportunity to build Scotland’s future on the basis of a written statement of what citizens may expect from their state, a constitution which ensures that as far as possible it is the citizen who shapes the future, that decentralises power, that sets out a path on which we can travel, this is a great opportunity. The Scottish Government has promised that it will be an open and inclusive process; this is greatly to be welcomed. We must hold them to their word – and then we must work tirelessly to fill the content of that constitution.

  90. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 11:13 am

    The Wiki page for the new chair of the BBC Trist has been heavily edited since yesterday. The reference to her religion as Judaism has been removed.!! Wonder why?

    Perhaps because she isn’t Jewish and the statement that she was came from the same source (a friend of yours?) as this:

    “Rona Alison Fairhead CBE (born 28 August 1961)[1] is a British businesswoman and currently the Chairman of the [[BBC Trust, also Jewish she follows in the footsteps of Yentob & Thompson to ensure the agenda stays biased & pro Israel…Maybe its time the overpaid zealots at the BBC took wagecuts and stopped having lavish lunches at the tax payers expense. Still when it no longer becomes law to buy a tv license and BBC slips slowly into obscurity remember which corrupt, hateful, child murdering bunch poisoned and sucked it dry financially for their own gain.]]—the first woman to hold the post.[2]”

  91. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 Aug, 2014 - 11:49 am

    Resident Dissident

    “Habba

    Then by her own perverted logic she must an agent of the evil UKUSIsNATO ”
    __________________

    A tad harsh, perhaps. I think it’s just that she doesn’t see that her criticisms and rants lead her into all sorts of self-contradictory positions. This outcome is made more likely by the sheer range of issues and persons she posts about.

  92. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 Aug, 2014 - 11:52 am

    “Mary

    Is the Lithuanian President worth an egg should she visit the UK?”
    __________________

    I wouldn’t recommend it. Remember John Prescott and the egg thrower. And he’s a pussycat compared to Dalia.

  93. The two trolls are sitting under the bridge holding their fishing rods hoping to lure me into divulging confidential information. Get lost you stupid wastes of space. Bait not being taken.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pmjIvS3uGXA/TLjSSfXfOOI/AAAAAAAABKE/2SrOQOqjYYE/s320/trollbridge_web.jpg

  94. Notes [with transcribed excerpts] at the time of Chris Patten’s pre-appointment hearing.

    Thursday 10 March 2011
    Members present:
    Mr John Whittingdale, in the Chair
    Ms Louise Bagshawe (Mensch)
    David Cairns
    Dr Thérèse Coffey
    Damian Collins
    Philip Davies
    Mr Adrian Sanders
    Jim Sheridan
    Mr Tom Watson

    http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=7901 @ 21:00

    Louise Bagshawe: You mentioned giving up Medical Aid for Palestinians. As you rightly point out, that could be seen to be quite controversial. In general, how do you think you would reassure the public that your foreign policy views wouldn’t colour your attitude as the Chairman of the BBC Trust, in particular those people who are friends of Israel, who might have some concerns over your close association with Palestinian causes – and indeed, in more general foreign policy terms, how would you give that reassurance?

    Chris Patten: Well, it’s true that I was a member of the Quartet, but since Europe was involved there were six people in it during the early stage of the Middle East Peace Process. And it’s true that as a European Commissioner I was responsible for – which was European and British foreign policy – for providing assistance to Salam Fayyad when he was first finance minister of the Palestinian Authority. And some people objected to that, although I think it helped to create workable institutions in Palestine. But I’m absolutely clear that I would have to demonstrate complete impartiality, and that you can only do by assuring that the Editorial Standards Committee of the Trust operates effectively and that serious complaints about BBC coverage are dealt with absolutely properly. I mean, just looking for example of the BBC’s Middle East Editor in the last few days and weeks – Jeremy Bowen – I think you recognise there is a very high standard of objective and serious reporting.

    LB: You would recognise that there has been great concern in some quarters of the BBC has in the past maybe not treated the ME conflict fairly and that there has been some bias against Israel’s interests. Are you aware of those complaints….

    CP: [interrupting] I am also aware of the opposite. I mean, I remember there was a huge controversy about the refusal by the BBC to broadcast the Gaza appeal. And on that occasion all the criticism was heavy on the other side of the argument. Though I think it’s exceptionally difficult to cover Israel-Palestine with the objectivity which is required when there is so much pressure from both sides. And it isn’t of course an adequate response that if you are criticised by both sides you must be doing it correctly, because that is a pretty rum notion of impartiality. But I think that given the difficulty of covering that subject, I think the BBC does a very good job. I think that it’s a fair criticism when you look at what’s happened in the last few weeks of months to argue that all news organisations have looked too little at what’s happening elsewhere in the Arab world over the last few years

    @ 1:02:10

    Philip Davies: I wasn’t quite sure whether we got from you whether you consider the BBC to be biased in its reporting in any shape or form?

    CP: No.

    PD: You don’t?

    CR: No. Let me just qualify that. If there are issues where there is thought to be BBC bias, then I think those things should be dealt with. I used to deal with that when I was a chairman of a well-known political party. But when I listen to Nick Robinson, or Robert Peston, or Jeremy Bowen, do I think I’m listening to first-class journalist or biased journalists? I think I am listening to first-class journalists.

    PD: Do you think it has an institutional left-wing bias?

    CP: Well, I’ve read what Mark Thompson and Andrew Marr have said about the sort of people recruited by the BBC being inevitably perhaps being metropolitan with cultural and conceivable political attitudes which go with a metropolitan upbringing. But I’m not sure that that is systemic institutional bias; indeed, I don’t think it is.

    ~~~~~~

    Mrs Fairhead will go in front of the same committee on September 9th. We await their deliberations. The committee now is:

    Mr John Whittingdale (Chair) Conservative
    Mr Ben Bradshaw Labour
    Angie Bray Conservative
    Conor Burns Conservative
    Tracey Crouch Conservative
    Philip Davies Conservative
    Paul Farrelly Labour
    Mr John Leech Liberal Democrat
    Steve Rotheram Labour
    Jim Sheridan Labour
    Mr Gerry Sutcliffe Labour

    Same slimebag chairman. See Craig’s posts.

  95. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 1:55 pm

    Mary

    So how is your digging for Rona Fairhead’s (nee Haig) Jewish ancestry going – should be quite a challenge with a Whitehaven girl whose mothers maiden name was Farmer – but at least it will keep you entertained.

  96. Miss Castello

    31 Aug, 2014 - 3:37 pm

    Resident Shit /Habba Babble;

    WTF has Mary’s financial status got to do with you pair of tossers? If Mary’s worked for it, she has every right to claim a state pension, regardless of her political views. What do you expect her to do? Stand on a street corner and beg?

    What utterly loathsome people you must be to single out / pry into, an elderly woman’s personal finances. Have you nothing better to contribute?

  97. As the Resident Dissident/Eslo/Know All seems to have Mrs Fairhead’s provenance off pat, could he/she tell us if she was selected at university, where she obtained a double first, and picked out by the powers-that-be to become an asset for the USUKIsNATO axis. She has certainly been fast tracked through all of her strategic posts. Bain, Bombardier, HSBC, Pearson, Cabinet Office and so on.

    Rona Fairhead: chairmanship of BBC Trust part of venerable ascent to the top
    Former FT Group boss has had a formidable career across manufacturing, banking and media – and has a pilot’s licence too
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/aug/31/rona-fairhead-chair-bbc-trust-financial-times

  98. Her husband is a director of this global private equity/asset stripping outfit.

    http://www.campbell-lutyens.com/content/about-us

    Tom Fairhead
    Advisory Director

    Tom is chief executive of a group of private companies focused on building materials and waste management and renewables infrastructure. He is an Honorary Alderman of The Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea, a London Borough which is one of the few European public authorities rated AAA by Standard & Poors, and for 6 years from 2004 to 2010 he was the Cabinet Member with responsibility for its finances. Previously he had spent ten years at Credit Suisse First Boston specialising in international mergers and acquisitions and in technical and financial engineering.

  99. Brave man. Get well soon GG.

    ‘I crashed to the ground thinking… this man is going to kick me to death': George Galloway reveals his terror after attack in Notting Hill – and how he led police to suspect
    George Galloway was left with broken rib when he was assaulted in street

    He also suffered a badly bruised face following violent attack in Notting Hill
    Below, the Respect MP reveals how he feared for his life during incident

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738682/I-crashed-ground-thinking-man-going-kick-death-George-Galloway-reveals-terror-attack-Notting-Hill-led-police-suspect.html

  100. nevermind, Scotland will not allow FoI's to srew up their foreign policy

    31 Aug, 2014 - 5:18 pm

    Just to note the next appointed blanket covering the BBC’s paedophile support network.
    Will she manage to shine a light on South Yorkshire police, their illegal actions and friendly get togethers with JS, the fact that they undermined their own possible case, to keep facts out of court by acting illegal and on ‘good advice’? and will they look into all other councils record with regards to child abuse?

    http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A7x9Un8GSQNUOUoADkx3Bwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByaGwzcXNvBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDOARjb2xvA2lyMgR2dGlkAw–/RV=2/RE=1409530247/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.gloucestercitizen.co.uk%2fGloucestershire-parents-left-children-surrounded%2fstory-21242867-detail%2fstory.html/RK=0/RS=2eBQgAdmnyvSTVlv.u4074GToh8-

    I for one know of one case in Norfolk were a woman who has abused her chidlren for most of their short life’s had them taken away and adopted. One of her children (14) was allowed to have a relationship with a much older man. She had 13 children and has had a court date, which she evaded by getting pregnant again. Her child will be taken away from her, but nobody can educate her, show her the facts of her actions.
    According to neighbours she is being visited by mostly young social workers, the old hands don’t want to wash, and she runs rings round the newly employed students.

    This issue is everywqhere, not just in Rotherham, Oxford etc.and I don’t think that it will ever change, sadly nobody has the balls, they are more interersted ina quiet life with an ample pension then in doing their jobs.

  101. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 Aug, 2014 - 5:21 pm

    Jives squeaks, in the dark of the night:

    “Habbabuk,

    Your attempted conflation of Macalpines (SIC)is one of your ugliest tawdriest sockpuppet efforts to date-and God knows there’s been many.”
    __________________

    In which way was my question a conflation, Jives?

  102. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 Aug, 2014 - 5:27 pm

    Mary

    “The two trolls are sitting under the bridge holding their fishing rods hoping to lure me into divulging confidential information.”
    ___________________

    Not at all, Mary.

    Are we to understand that you forego your state pension and your NHS pension?

    If you are over 65 and have worked and paid your social decurity contributions there is surely nothing confidential about surmising that you are in receipt of those pensions, surely?

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 Aug, 2014 - 5:33 pm

    Mary

    “As the Resident Dissident/Eslo/Know All seems to have Mrs Fairhead’s provenance off pat, could he/she tell us if she was selected at university, where she obtained a double first, and picked out by the powers-that-be to become an asset for the USUKIsNATO axis. She has certainly been fast tracked through all of her strategic posts. Bain, Bombardier, HSBC, Pearson, Cabinet Office and so on.”
    _______________________

    Are we to assume from the above that one has to be an asset to the “USUKIsNATO axis” in order to have a successful and high-flying career?

    What a curious take on successful people.

    Disclaimer : I am not part of her family, nor is my sister married to her cousin’s brother. I am not Jewish and remain uncircumcised. Have I forgotten anything?

  104. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 Aug, 2014 - 5:38 pm

    Mary

    “He also suffered a badly bruised face following violent attack in Notting Hill
    Below, the Respect MP reveals how he feared for his life during incident”
    ____________________

    Well, if course physical attacks on politicians and others in the public (and for that matter private) sphere are to be deplores.

    Having said that, I’m sure that GG will milk the incident for all it’s worth for a long time.

    Just, indeed, as I would on this blog if SS Police General Nevermind were to fulfil his often declared ambition of punching me in the face :)

  105. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    31 Aug, 2014 - 6:26 pm

  106. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 7:02 pm

    Miss Castello

    I think you missed the point – it is Mary that has a problem in believing that sentient human beings are capable of views distinct from their financial interests. I didn’t think for a moment that she would disclose any numbers or give up her pension – and neither should she. You on the other hand might wish to provide us all with your cheque card number, expiry date and security code as your introductory fee for commenting here!

  107. Resident Dissident

    31 Aug, 2014 - 7:04 pm

    “As the Resident Dissident/Eslo/Know All seems to have Mrs Fairhead’s provenance off pat, could he/she tell us if she was selected at university, where she obtained a double first, and picked out by the powers-that-be to become an asset for the USUKIsNATO axis. She has certainly been fast tracked through all of her strategic posts. Bain, Bombardier, HSBC, Pearson, Cabinet Office and so on.”

    With all those things to research why did you alight on her religion first?

  108. Jock McDonnell

    31 Aug, 2014 - 9:19 pm

    Whatever tactics Labour used, the old lady agreed.

  109. @Resident Dissident, since you’ve teamed up for another troll pack attack on Mary, it reminds me of a previous troll pack attack on her, when you & the Habbu-Clown deliberately misrepresented one of her comments, so as to embark on campaign lasting many days, in which you both ceaselessly accused her of “hating her country”, which I’m sure you remember; so in view of Craig’s recent comments of the UK being “pathological state which is a danger in the world, a rogue state”, & “I think it is impossible to be proud of the United Kingdom”, which is by far the strongest “self-hating” & “anti-Western” comments that I’ve ever seen anybody make on this Blog, why are you & your fellow trolls not giving Craig the same treatment you gave Mary ? In fact I recalled that you in particular worked yourself up into rather a self-righteous fury, so I’m actually surprised that you still are posting on Craig’s blog ! :D

  110. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 Aug, 2014 - 10:23 pm

    Macky

    I’m surprised to see you on here again after all the the drubbings you used to collect several months back.

    You remind me a little of an ageing, punch-drunk pug, wearily picking himself up off the canvas in the expectation only of receiving another haymaker.

    Now we have been quite kind and tolerant with you so far – everyone deserves a second chance, after all – but you must not abuse our goodwill.

    If you do, you’ll again find yourself fleeing from the blog with your til between your legs and whining about the partiality of the Moderators!

    *********************

    2013 score: Dissidents 256, Corporal Macky’s XI, 0.

  111. How sweet of you Habbu-Clown, to have missed me so much ; still fantasising & lying to big yourself up I see, but there’s no disguising the fear behind your false bravado, so yes you better pray that the Mods (& your mate Craig) rescue you as they have done before many times before, except of course, for the handful of times, when you got to experience what real “drubbings” feel like. :D

  112. ‘George Galloway was left with broken rib when he was assaulted in street

    He also suffered a badly bruised face following violent attack in Notting Hill,’

    Before Masterton was named as the assailant, some reports said he was being held pending a likely charge of ABH – a quite reasonable expectation, given the extent of GGs injuries. However once he was named it was clear he would instead face a charge of ‘religiously aggravated assault’- a new offence which will give Masterton’s lawyers ample wiggle room, particularly as he appears to be gentile.

    Instead of using a charge defined by the extent of the victims injuries, the CPS has instead used a charge which is contingent on the alleged religious bigotry of the accused. Have the CPS done Masterton a favour here, I wonder ?

  113. :) Macky.

    btw they (the pack of trolls – like huskies they run and run and never stop) misconstrued what I said. I do not hate my country. In fact I love it and could not live anywhere else but hate those who have come to power and who are wrecking its social structures like the NHS – and its infrastructure for that matter.

    The worst thing that they did was to post on Stormfront using my name. Have you noticed how often Habbabkuk makes references to Stormfront. Makes me think!

  114. Mary your original comment was crystal clear enough, it takes either extreme dimness or extreme malice to misinterpret it the way they did, and as we know, trolls possess both these attributes in abundance.

    Yes, the Habbu-Clown frequent references are now matching the Angry Aussie’s, so it could be either, but not ruling out, of course, the “accidental discoverer” himself, ResDis.

  115. Princess Mary, are you still plugging Stormfront?

    It’s funny how you two idiots throw the term “trolls” at anyone who disagrees with you, much like rabid zionists do with the term “anti-semite”.

    And Macky, don’t make me laugh. You’ve made a fool of yourself before and you’re now retreating into a more safe but obscure position. Of course, lying does seem to work for you, so maybe just stick with that in the absence of having anything intelligent or new to write.

  116. Thanks for the reminder, as yes, how could I’ve forgotten to mention, extreme fantasising & lying, being another definitive troll attribute, as kindly illustrated in the above example by Jemand The Angry Aussie ! :D

  117. We must not go back to business as usual. Let us instead work out how to create a new party(or parties) to represent our communities. Some suggestions:

    Hold public meetings in every constituency of people prepared to support a People’s Party and select a candidate. Selection by ballot. Candidates to require a substantial community connection (residential or business ownership). No incomers.

    Candidates to serve a maximum of two parliamentary terms.

    Candidates to agree and sign a binding community manifesto (prepared after discussion and amendment of initial candidate submission). Significant departure from this after election to enable recall by constituency.

    Consultative network to be set up (social media?) to enable MSP to take advice from a cross-section of community members on controversial issues. Nurture and develop this way of thinking.

    Ban for two parliaments against candidates who have previously sought election for parties which opposed independence. Exceptions only for those individuals who have formally abjured that party and its policies, and whose explanation has been accepted by the constituency meeting. (To be refined after discussion).

  118. Resident Dissident

    1 Sep, 2014 - 9:41 pm

    @Macky

    What right do you think that you have to make all and sundry account for their actions in your usual hectoring manner when you so conspicuously resist being held to account for your own.

    Unlike yourself I am quite comfortable with others having different views with my own. That it is possible to do so in this country is one of the many reasons that it makes me proud to be British – I appreciate that tolerance and free speech are not key features of the regimes that you tend to favour.

    As for Craig, even though I disagree with much of what he says, and I have never noticed any hesitation on my part in disagreeing with what he says, he unlike yourself does say something of interest to say.

    One of the things that perhaps you should understand about human nature is that there are some people who actually rejoice in people’s differences, while there are others like yourself who get rather hot under the collar about non conformists who wish to challenge the order of things. This of course explains your support and resolute defence of the likes of Putin, Assad, Ghadaffi, Saddam and Galloway, and I suspect the good old Soviet Union, and you evident dislike for traditional liberals such as Craig. I must say that I did laugh recently when you tried to claim you were on the Left given the fan clubs of which you are a member – most peculiar.

    @Resident Dissident, since you’ve teamed up for another troll pack attack on Mary, it reminds me of a previous troll pack attack on her, when you & the Habbu-Clown deliberately misrepresented one of her comments, so as to embark on campaign lasting many days, in which you both ceaselessly accused her of “hating her country”, which I’m sure you remember; so in view of Craig’s recent comments of the UK being “pathological state which is a danger in the world, a rogue state”, & “I think it is impossible to be proud of the United Kingdom”, which is by far the strongest “self-hating” & “anti-Western” comments that I’ve ever seen anybody make on this Blog, why are you & your fellow trolls not giving Craig the same treatment you gave Mary ? In fact I recalled that you in particular worked yourself up into rather a self-righteous fury, so I’m actually surprised that you still are posting on Craig’s blog ! :D

  119. Resident Dissident

    1 Sep, 2014 - 9:52 pm

    Jemand

    Lady Dorking does not recommend Stormfront but she does recommend Northerntruthseeker

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/at-doune/comment-page-2/#comment-474446

  120. The sick Jemand the devian scum is now referring to stormfront!

    What do stromfront publish that Jemand the sick dangerous deviant scum does not?

    And keeps on publishing

    ======

    resident cliché in a moment of total dissonance;

    Unlike yourself I am quite comfortable with others having different views with my own. ………– I appreciate that tolerance and free speech are not key features of the regimes that you tend to favour.

    Then the next comment is an indication of the degrees of tolerance and affording others to have their “own views”

    Well so long as everyone’s view is the same as resident cliché, that is.

    This is passed as debate by resident cliché.

  121. Resident Dissident

    1 Sep, 2014 - 10:30 pm

    Fedup

    Freedom of speech included the right to criticise as you know only too well, in fact I doubt you use it for anything else.

  122. LOL !! @ Resident Dissident ! :D

    At least you haven’t done one of your famous disappearing, yet, but you might as well have in view of the embarrassing, yet so revealing, nonsense of a “reply”; the main revelation of course being your inability to answer why you give Craig a free pass over real strong anti-Britain comments, in contrast to your apoplectic reaction, (lasting weeks!) to Mary’s misrepresented yet still MILDER “anti-Britain” comment ! :D

    “What right do you think that you have to make all and sundry account for their actions”

    Because highlighting irrationalities & pulling up hypocrites is an inherent component of engaging in forum debates.

    “in your usual hectoring manner”

    Surely you are confusing my style with your troll tag-team partner, the School Master styled Habba-Clown ?

    “when you so conspicuously resist being held to account for your own”

    Yes, so “conspicuously” that you will easily be able to provide examples :D

    “Unlike yourself I am quite comfortable with others having different views with my own”

    LOL! X 100 !! Yes that’s why you hounded Mary for weeks over her innocuous remark that you deliberately misrepresented; that’s why you engage in bitter troll-pack attacks, and frequently work yourself up into states of self-righteous fury; that’s why you are the Anti-Semitic Witch Finder General, always the first to smear somebody as such on the slightest pretext; that’s why you threated to report this Blog to the Police and so blackmailed (or maybe gave a handy pretext to) Jon to shut the comments down for months; etc, etc so yes “quite comfortable with others having different views with my own” in only your counter-reality fantasy.

    “That it is possible to do so in this country is one of the many reasons that it makes me proud to be British”

    See above & spot the irony.

    “I appreciate that tolerance and free speech are not key features of the regimes that you tend to favour”

    Cheap throw around lying smear;

    “As for Craig, even though I disagree with much of what he says, and I have never noticed any hesitation on my part in disagreeing with what he says”

    Off you go then, as you say you are “proud to be British”, & he’s just said ,“I think it is impossible to be proud of the United Kingdom”; the proof is in the puddle, so I wait with baited breath ! :D

    “he unlike yourself does say something of interest to say”

    So you find interesting somebody who states things that you mostly disagree with ! You must be riveted by me, Mary, etc :D

    “One of the things that perhaps you should understand about human nature is that there are some people who actually rejoice in people’s differences”

    ?? Err, but don’t you often get rather hot under the collar with people who have different views to yourself !

    “while there are others like yourself who get rather hot under the collar about non conformists who wish to challenge the order of things”

    Hang on ! I need another LOL ! Are you actually are calling yourself a “non conformist” !! That must explain all your pro-Establiments POVs ! :D

    “This of course explains your support and resolute defence of the likes of Putin, Assad, Ghadaffi, Saddam and Galloway, and I suspect the good old Soviet Union”

    Yawn time again, yes more cheap throw around lying misreprsentations & smears.

    “and you evident dislike for traditional liberals such as Craig”

    He went from being a Blair Babe straight to supporting the Liberals, to now being a pro EU Russian hating propagandist; all so very traditional liberal !!

  123. doug scorgie

    2 Sep, 2014 - 2:31 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    30 Aug, 2014 – 5:38 pm

    “Since a Yes vote is supposed to wipe the slate clean, will there be an immediate general election in Scotland in the event of Scotland gaining independence?”

    —————————————-

    Why the rush Habbabkuk?

    In the event of a Yes vote there will be a period for negotiation (agreed by the UK government) until March 2016.

    There are many issues to be addressed before an election not least which policies will be adopted by the three major parties, Conservative, Labour and the LibDems if they intend to stand for election in Scotland which they of course do.

    Currently they have no policies for an independent Scotland, so what choices can they offer the electorate?

    Anyway an immediate election would never be agreed to by Westminster because they still want to scupper independence and the more delay the better from their point of view:

    “Chair of the constitution committee, Labour peer Baroness Jay of Paddington, said: “The prime minister should feel under no obligation to conclude negotiations by March 2016.”
    “The Scottish government’s proposed timetable has no legal or constitutional standing.”

    http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/referendum-uk-could-delay-scottish-3549619

  124. doug scorgie

    2 Sep, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Mary
    30 Aug, 2014 – 10:32 pm

    “The new chair of the BBC Trust…Rona Fairhead…”

    ——————————————–

    Yes Mary, just the person I would choose if I wanted to commercialise the BBC along the lines of Murdoch’s Fox News.

  125. “Since a Yes vote is supposed to wipe the slate clean, will there be an immediate general election in Scotland in the event of Scotland gaining independence?”

    No of course not. Wee Eck will probably declare himself president for life and do everything he can to make sure the SNP don’t relinquish power until they have to. then there’s the constitution to sort out.

    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0045/00452762.pdf

  126. Resident Dissident

    2 Sep, 2014 - 10:28 pm

    “being your inability to answer why you give Craig a free pass over real strong anti-Britain comments”

    I didn’t – http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/cupar/#comment-475625

    and here http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/my-scotland/#comments

    ““As for Craig, even though I disagree with much of what he says, and I have never noticed any hesitation on my part in disagreeing with what he says”

    Off you go then, as you say you are “proud to be British”, & he’s just said ,“I think it is impossible to be proud of the United Kingdom”; the proof is in the puddle, so I wait with baited breath ! :D”

    Read more carefully – there are many things on which I disagree with Craig and I have expressed my disagreement many times in the past – there are also many points on which I disagree. Intelligent people have no problem with this happening.

    “That must explain all your pro-Establiments POVs ! :D” You should read some of my rare posts here on economics, taxes and public services (rare because such issues are not discussed that often)

    “He went from being a Blair Babe straight to supporting the Liberals, to now being a pro EU Russian hating propagandist; all so very traditional liberal !!”

    Liberal with a small l you dolt – in terms of philosophy and political theory I don’t think Craig’s views have changed that much. For a liberal to be anything but opposed to Putin would represent total hypocrisy.

  127. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Sep, 2014 - 10:54 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    30 Aug, 2014 – 5:38 pm

    “Since a Yes vote is supposed to wipe the slate clean, will there be an immediate general election in Scotland in the event of Scotland gaining independence?”

    —————————————-

    Why the rush Habbabkuk?

    In the event of a Yes vote there will be a period for negotiation (agreed by the UK government) until March 2016.”
    __________________

    Precisely for that reason, Mr Scorgie – the negotiation.

    The parties in Scotland should fight a general election on the basis in particular of what they want out of the negotiation.

    A general election would lead to the formation of a Scottish govt with a popular mandate for the negotiation.

    Hence the urgency.

    Do you have a problem with that, Doug?

  128. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Sep, 2014 - 11:02 pm

    Resident Dissident

    “You should read some of my rare posts here on economics, taxes and public services (rare because such issues are not discussed that often)”
    _______________

    and it is a shame that they are not discussed much more.

    Of course the reason they are not is that intelligent discussion on such topics would require some real knowledge and an ability to argue cogently.

    Those are not the attributes of the Eminence.

    Much easier to emote endlessly about matters far away, with numerous goofy websites to cut and paste from and bad poetry to quote.

  129. Resident Dissident; “and here”;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/my-scotland/#comments

    ??!! Are you sock-putting again ?! This time as “Al Milliner” !! Very, very naughty of you ! Will the real Resident Dissident please stand up ! :D

    “Liberal with a small l you dolt”

    I knew exactly what you meant, so what does that make you, a self-inflicted double dolt ? :D

    “in terms of philosophy and political theory I don’t think Craig’s views have changed that much”

    Too right, from the time he was supervising the classification of essential items to the sanctioned desperate Iraqis as “dual-use”, to his current propagandizing for war with Russia, his still serves Empire.

    “For a liberal to be anything but opposed to Putin would represent total hypocrisy”

    If you mean for a person to continually demonise the current “bogey-man” in the cross-sights of the West, in order to soften up opposition to any military action, then yes, he’s a typical “liberal”, so “liberal” in fact with his principles, that he actually recently found himself acting as an Apologist for an act of mass murder, because after all, what good are mere principles to a liberal “liberal” with an agenda ?!

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