Forget Those Shredded Children, Hadley Freeman is the Real Victim Here

by craig on August 8, 2014 6:40 pm in Uncategorized

Do not be deceived. The murdered innocents of Gaza are not those who are really suffering. It is the liberal Jews like Hadley Freeman, victims of the new anti-Semitism.

Israel is a state openly founded on racist and theocratic grounds, in which Jews have an absolute right to live in Israel, wherever in the world they were born and their families have been for centuries, and nobody else does. The unfortunate pre-1946 occupants of the land have been mostly driven out into refugee camps, including in Gaza, while religiously motivated settlers continue apace to grab the best Palestinian land and water. The state does this for them precisely and explicity because they are Jewish. Those non-Jews who remained in Israel proper are subject to a whole raft of apartheid style legislation, even governing whom they may marry, and the quantity of this legislation is increasing. 140 Israeli laws specify treatment by race.

Israel is as a state entirely based and run on a racist premise. Its very foundation is racist. But while the Israeli state may steal land specifically for Jews, make provision for Jews, and make life difficult for non-Jews, anybody else who mentions Jews in the context of Israeli behaviour is a vicious racist and anti-Semite. This warped and ludicrous logic is enforced by political orthodoxy and the mainstream media.

It is as though, in opposing apartheid, it was taboo to mention it had been invented for the benefit of white people.

Reading Freeman’s long self-pitying self-centred whinge I was waiting to find out what had actually happened to her to occasion some distress. Had she had a brick through her window? Had she been assaulted in the street? Has somebody hurled racial abuse at her?

Apparently none of the above. It appears that she feels under unfair pressure to denounce the actions of Israel. And- horror of horrors – the Tricycle Theatre has cancelled a Jewish Film Festival in Kilburn because it was financed by the Israeli Embassy. Oh no, the agony! How can a poor girl survive in a North London which is so rife with anti-Semitism! It reminded me forcefully of the very first diplomatic social engagement of my professional career, in 1985 when our Afrikaaner hostess held forth on how she thought people looked down on her in Harrods.

I deplore racism with every part of my being, all racism. Freeman makes what is intended to be a smart observation that the Tricycle’s act “reminds me how very far I am from the States”. It is very plain that she regrets that and believes that the US attitude to Israel is better than the British one.

This then morphs into the meme that the reaction to the Gaza massacre is part of a wave of the “new anti-Semitism”. There have indeed been several deplorable anti-Semitic incidents in Europe in the last few months. But they have killed absolutely nobody in the last two years, while Israel has killed 1,500 people. There have been three terrible examples of racial murders of Jews in the past eight years, and there needs to be continued and unremitting vigilance against all hate crime. The disruption of Hadley’s cinema treats and the daubing of paint on a synagogue are in themselves bad things. But do they really compare to the massive disproportionate force being used to destroy over 1,000 women and children in a month in Gaza, and the context of the entire seventy year programme of ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian people?

You are right, Hadley. Just because you are Jewish does not mean you should be under special pressure to condemn Israel’s actions. But if you take it upon yourself to write a long article on the subject, we are entitled to expect you – as a human being – to condemn the massacre. And as in the article you write about nothing but your own angst and the evils of anti-Semitism, and manage not a single word of sympathy or regret for the victims of the terrible massacre in Gaza, we are entitled to form our own opinion.

And my opinion is that you are a wholly self-centred and self-regarding little person with an abject lack of moral perspective, who seems to think the murder of 1500 people is about the impact on your feelings.

Hadley, you are not disgusting because you are Jewish: you are just a disgusting human being.

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  1. can you compare gaza with the warsaw ghetto in 1944 or was it 43?
    have you read ernst sommer’s book REVOLT OF THE SAINTS? (1949)
    Its a must read

  2. Yes, it is all about her.

  3. conjunction

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:02 pm

    One of the points which you make, and which you have made several times recently, is that you do not believe in the right of Jewish people to have a racially distinct state in the Middle East.

    I myself do not know what I think about this. Your position has a lot of logic, and it is hard to see how the state of Israel as it is conceived can avoid a lot of trouble, but, when you look at the treatment Jewish people were getting around the time of WW2, its hard at least for me to argue against the idea. I think a lot of people think that and that is the basis of the two state solution proposal.

    Hadley Freeman says ‘Please don’t tell me what I should think about Israel’.

    The state of Israel has a special status in the world. No other state in the world has a comparable status, a protected status, and perhaps this is why HF thinks she can float above the debate about Gaza while taking potshots at liberals.

    I am confused about this but it seems to me the real debate is about the parameters of the state of Israel, and anticipating some of the reaction I am liable to get on this blog, the problem needs more than slogans and vitriol, it needs some reason.

  4. Vlad (not that one}

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:08 pm

    I imagine that’s scuppered your chances as the future Scottish ambassador to Tel Aviv. Keep up the good work. Cheers.

  5. How much anti-Semitism is blowback against perceptions of racist pro-Israeli anti-Palestinian propaganda and Israel Lobby influence? The latter in turn play upon anti-Semitism; extremes thus support each other in dynamic tension.

  6. Poor Hadley.

    Now,if North London delicatessens run out of tofu and muesli i fear the girl might crack completely.

  7. I think your article does Hadley Freeman a gross injustice. It wasn’t an article on the Israeli/Gaza conflict so she didn’t need to express her regret at the loss of Palestinian life. I’m sure as a liberal she’s appalled by it.

    It was a piece about the overspill of criticism of Israel into anti-Semitism as evidenced by the decision of the Tricycle Theatre. It is not for anyone, let alone them to tell Jews how they should behave towards Israel.

    You would do well to remember what happened in Germany in the 30s. You’re all deluded if you think there aren’t strong strands of anti-Semitism appearing and it’s very disturbing.

    You should also be aware that there are 1.5m Arabs living with full and equal rights in Israel. They actually have more rights there than they have in any other Arab country. The situation in the West Bank and Gaza is different, appalling and needs to be addressed but your labelling of Israel as racist is factually inaccurate and further fans the flames of hatred. It will get us nowhere.

  8. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:33 pm

    Bang on Craig
    ‘This warped and ludicrous logic is enforced by political orthodoxy and the mainstream media.’

    Today must have been hogwash day in America, when the president looks desperately at his lack of actions, how he could possibly be seen as a Humanitarian taking an interest in these persecuted minorities, whilst not looking at the massakers done, with his say so, by Ukrainian fascists or the pre determined murder of hundreds of gaza’s children by his Israeli handler Bibi in Gaza.

    So he promises some bombing to stop genocide, it gets amplified by his world wide bitches and transmitted all day long, the majoprity believes this chaff and think ‘good on him’ when he merely goes through the motion of opening his cake hole.

    Humanitarian action promised today by Obama is equallyu racist. Its fine to ‘stop genocide’ in Iraq, albeit from great hight and only sporadic, one would not want to agrieve one’s Saudi/ ISIS backers now, would one?

    The differences are stark, Gaza’s Arab Muslim population experiencing a reprehensible death toll on its civilian population, is no subjected to Israeli genocide of its people, does not in any way equate to racism. But Syria’s Yazidi orthodox Christians, having been pressurised and abused by these Saudi mercenaries and rapists, are in fear of their lioves fleeing into the mountains, here the term genocide is appropriate.

    Our media does not want or dare to ask the right questions and it is more important for our national public broadcaster to cover George, sniff, snortel Osborne’s manky cat, than it is to have a principled debate as to what and what does not qualify as genocide.

  9. Republicofscotland

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:57 pm

    Westminster, Putin’s a murdering monster, the Whitehouse we must stop Putin, the UN and the EU we must enforce sanctions on Putin, in contrast, Israels genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza, its all the fault of Hamas.

    As for anti-Semitism the IDL are opening branches all over the world,here’s the latest one.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/01/controversial-jewish-defence-league-to-open-new-canadian-chapters-in-wake-of-violent-protests-over-gaza/

    And with Israel now recognised as a country, its opening embassies and consulates all over the world, Israel now has over 98 embassies and consulates scattered around the globe,backed up by the IDL.

    http://embassy.goabroad.com/embassies-of/israel

    Palestine has no such luck.

  10. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 8:15 pm

    “Just because you are Jewish does not mean you should be under special pressure to condemn Israel’s actions. But if you take it upon yourself to write a long article on the subject, we are entitled to expect you – as a human being – to condemn the massacre.”

    Which is of course what she did

    “Proud as I am to work for a paper that covers the atrocities in Palestine so diligently,”

    Perhaps some should reflect that it was Europe’s last bout of anti-Semitism that actually provided much of the impetus for the founding and international approval of the State of Israel and not just a racist premise as Craig states. Those who cannot distinguish between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, of which there are not a few on this blog, perhaps ought to just reflect a little how they actually divert attention away from the truly atrocious behaviour of the Isreali Government.

  11. Adam

    “You should also be aware that there are 1.5m Arabs living with full and equal rights in Israel.”

    Absolutely nobody believes that any more. Your propaganda is thirty years out of date.

  12. Craig wrote:
    Those non-Jews who remained in Israel proper are subject to a whole raft of apartheid style legislation, even governing whom they may marry, and the quantity of this legislation is increasing. 140 Israeli laws specify treatment by race.

    Adam wrote:
    You should also be aware that there are 1.5m Arabs living with full and equal rights in Israel

    You can’t both be right and I rather suspect Craig is correct.

  13. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 8:21 pm

    “How much anti-Semitism is blowback against perceptions of racist pro-Israeli anti-Palestinian propaganda and Israel Lobby influence? The latter in turn play upon anti-Semitism; extremes thus support each other in dynamic tension.”

    For once I agree – the thing that needs to done is to condemn both extremes for the examples of truly disgusting behaviour that they are – rather than playing silly games of moral relativism.

  14. Oops – didn’t notice your reply, Craig.

  15. Bleb

    We were simultaneous, I think!

  16. Being Jewish and being Arab are not mutually exclusive, you’ll find even the Arab or North African Jews are second or third class citizens in Israel. Top dogs are the Ashkenazim from Eastern Europe, often via New York, who are the least religious. Race is the issue not religion, it is really a white european people oppressing, killing ‘natives’. Apartheid.

  17. großer witz

    8 Aug, 2014 - 8:33 pm

    Anyone know which day the march in London against the Islamic State’s genocide is planned for?

  18. Couldn’t agree more. Excellent piece.

    The Grauniad is by far the most cynical and repulsive national daily by a distance.

  19. It seems to me Hadley Freeman’s article is very muck lacking proportionality in the broader context.

    Secondly,and also worrying,is that her article seems to have offered a platform for some frankly insane commentators to promote the idea that anti-Semitism is now “Cool Racism” for The Left.

    Which is,in my opinion and experience complete and utter bollocks.

    Must try harder Hadley,Grauniad…

    Very poor.

  20. Some people are wondering if it’s different this time.

    Israel is now well used to western media providing cover for their ongoing crimes but some have suggested that cracks are appearing even in mainstream coverage.

    Perhaps that explains this rather desperate ad, rejected by The Times, but accepted by The Guardian, that accuses Hamas of Child Sacrifice, no less.

    This is the Human Shields argument which even Jeremy Bowen has pooh poohed.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/aug/08/hamas-thetimes

    You do have to marvel at a mind that blames its own victims for their fate whilst claiming transcendental victimhood to itself. Sounds remarkably like a psychopathic mind.

    One thing’s for sure. The ledger of Israel’s crimes against humanity grows ever thick as time passes.

    It’s precisely because the Israeli state makes claims upon Jews all over the world that they need to speak out, and of course many do. Those who don’t are complicit by their silence.

    But yes. A self-obsessed fashion journalist is perhaps not quite what we’re looking for.

  21. Adam @ 7.32pm “You should be aware that there are 1.5 million Arabs living with full and equal rights in Israel”. Sorry that’s nonsense. Link to ‘The Laws that enshrine Israel as a racist state’ http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/the-laws-that-enshrine-israel-as-a-racist-state/

  22. But Syria’s Yazidi orthodox Christians, having been pressurised and abused by these Saudi mercenaries

    They are not Christians and are in fact Zoroastrians (Ancient Persian/Iranian religion).

    ========

    Someone in the other thread had written about Palestinian children in Gaza were writing their names on their limbs and body, to ensure that their body parts could be identified and gathered together for burial, after a zionist bomb has torn apart their undernourished and small bodies.

    This reminded me of the Iraqis during the US invasion of Iraq tattooing their identity; name and address on their back because experience had proved that these parts were more likely to survive and their remains could then be identified returned to their families.

    History shall not recall the above, for these Untermenschen do not deserve to be remembered, their fears, aspirations and matter of fact and routine deaths do not herald any lessons to be drawn upon.

    However every school kid will have been shown the serial numbers tattooed on the arms of the concentration camp survivors.

    The contrast in the almost blithely discount of the suffering and deaths of millions of Iraqis, Palestinians, Afghans, ….. that is in addition to the millions of dead in WWII, and millions more incarcerated in concentration camps are a natural progression of the Jewish Supremacy, that finds these “goy” (plural goyim) not worthy of lamentation or note. After all who ever heard of anyone mention the numbers of the dead heifers, cows, pigs, lambs and chickens?

    The goyim deaths are of no consequence, and thus the history is shaped, the convergence of the interest of those professional murderers and those with access to nodes of power, evolve in to the discount of the millions of deaths and the sufferings of millions more, these are to be eclipsed by the suffering of a particular group of people that in turn defines the past, as well as defining the gold standards of suffering and above all the defacto index of evil that caused such gold standard suffering in the first place..

    This in turn has been shaping the thoughts of those descendants of the special group who are taught to remember the sufferings of their ancestors at the hands of the goyim beasts. Thus when Hadley is slighted and upset she is truly experiencing the horrors that goyim beasts can inflict as they did to her ancestors. The fact is our collusion in playing the part of the dumb goy has further entrenched the feelings of entitlement to exceptional ism.

    As already Craig has mentioned;

    ‘This warped and ludicrous logic is enforced by political orthodoxy and the mainstream media.’

    The simple fact is how can a group of people whom have suffered exceptional injustice ever come to trust their tormentors?

    The fact that Hadley is so concerned to be told what to think is in fact a glimpse into her minds set; How dare goyim cattle to even entertain such notions as cancelling the events in theatre, or to consider the conduct of the group that has suffered so bitterly, in ensuring their survival, that is through destruction everyone else!

    I am on record the acquiescence to Jewish supremacy brings about an absurd situation that none dare to even mention the elephant in the room; the rabidly racists and disgusting behaviour of the Jewish supremacists!

    As we write about eleven thousand Palestinians have been maimed and injured, these have no medical facilitates to rely on, they have no access to pain killers, drugs, and medicine, then have no access to clean drinking water, they are left to live side by side with sewage running in the streets, all the while the medical equipment, medicine, etc. donated by others is sitting on the tarmac in the Cairo airport in compliance with the continuation of the medieval siege of Gaza.

    The suffering of these Palestinians is nothing compared to the suffering of those in the Warsaw ghetto! We all know that! Right?

  23. The Islamic state/ISIL/ISIS is a US/Israeli/Saudi creation, so anti-zionist protests serve also to condemn the west’s proxy terror gangs operating in the Syria and Iraq, trying to sever control of Iraq’s northern oil resources from the Iraqi government in Baghdad. The wholly imaginary and unrecognisable ‘Islamic State’ do not control the vast territory they claim, can only show up (speeded in brand new trucks provided by the US and Saudis) and shoot the place and the people up before speeding back to their cia/mi6 masters protection. Any Kurdistan that might emerge from these circumstances would be a client state under the thumb of the US completely and would itself in the end be overthrown by the Kurds, Iraqis, Syria, Iran and Turkey together, unless that Kurdish state, created simply to loot the oil reserves and pump it to Israel, was a ferociously brutal repressive hardline regime in conflict with its ‘own’ population and neighbours. Iraqi Kurds would be freer sooner and the violence halted, if the western/saudi mercenaries were ejected and they co-operatively sought autonomy from Baghdad and lasting friendly relations with Syria.

  24. So all the Arabs in this Wikipedia post http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel are a figment of my imagination? All Israeli propaganda? There aren’t Arab members of the Knesset? There isn’t an Arab Supreme Court Judge?

    There’s no balance to what you write and you accuse me of spouting propaganda. Perhaps you need to seek a definition for the word?

  25. Another excellent post Craig.

    The Guardian is losing money and needs to curry favour in the US to grow its brand.

    As a result its becoming increasingly pro-Israel. It wasn’t always this way!

  26. Adam

    There are just a dozen Arab members of the Knesset. There won’t be in future as the Knesset has just changed the electoral law specifically to exclude them.
    http://972mag.com/knesset-approves-bill-that-could-push-arab-parties-out/76755/

    Already if they open their mouths in the Knesset to protest they get chucked out
    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/feiglin-expels-arab-mks-who-call-idf-soldiers-murderers-video/2014/08/04/

  27. Strangetown

    8 Aug, 2014 - 9:14 pm

    It is not just Ms Freeman whilst she manages to stay aloof from the conflict in Gaza, the publication she works for is having a questionable motives moment:

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/aug/08/hamas-thetimes

    from the article:

    “The Times is under attack for refusing to run an advert about the conflict in Gaza. The paper is accused of being part of a British media “infamously skewed against Israel.”
    The ad is a statement, written jointly by Elie Wiesel, the Nobel prize-winning author, and Shmuley Boteach, an outspoken American-born Orthodox rabbi.
    It calls on President Obama and other political leaders across the world “to condemn Hamas’s use of children as human shields”, which amounts to “child sacrifice”.
    The advert has been carried in five US newspapers, including the New York Times, Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, which is published by News Corporation, the owner of The Times. The Guardian has agreed to run the advert on Monday.”

    So, when I try, twice to post links to MAP http://www.map-uk.org/ a charity providing medical aid to Palestinians in the comments section of one of the Graun’s articles it is removed by moderators. Yet it would seem they are prepared to run this ad.

  28. A tapestry of Palestinian life: remembering Samar Alhallaq
    Jan Chalmers Iain Chalmers

    On July 20, 2014, our friend Samar Alhallaq, who was aged 29 years, her 6-year-old son Kenan, her 4-year-old son Saji, and her 8-month unborn child were killed in Gaza, together with five other members of their wider family. An Israeli shell demolished the residential building to which they had fled in trying to seek shelter from Israel’s attacks.

    We came to know Samar and her little boys when they came to Oxford, UK, during the summer of 2013, to join Samar’s husband Hassan. Hassan was the third annual scholar awarded the Gaza Oxford Brookes University Scholarship, which was established after Israel’s attack on Gaza in 2008—2009. Hassan won the Technologies Prize awarded by Oxford Brookes University’s Department of Computing and Communication for outstanding achievement in the Masters Degree of Science in eBusiness.

    We saw quite a lot of the Alhallaq family last summer, and, despite not having any language in common, Kenan and Saji seemed to get on well with Millie and Layla, our grandchildren who live with us. On one of the family’s visits to our home, we introduced Samar to the Palestinian History Tapestry Project, which has been set up to extend friendship and support to Palestinian women.

    [..]
    As one of us wrote in The Lancet after Israel’s 2008—2009 attack on Gaza: “Israel defines itself as ‘the Jewish State’; yet, within the territory it controls and continues to colonise, there is now approximate parity in the numbers of Israeli Jewish people and non-Jewish, Palestinian Arab people (of whom 3·7 million live in the occupied territories and 1·2 million in Israel). For many, Israel will continue to be judged by its attitudes and actions towards the non-Jews whose lives it controls.”

    The UK has special responsibilities for what is happening in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory today, because of its repeated betrayal of its century-old promise to protect the rights of the non-Jewish Palestinian people. As we write it is clear that Samar, Kenan, and Saji are just three among hundreds of civilians who have been killed during the Israeli attacks this year. When can we expect the UK Government to require Israel to observe international law and to observe the Geneva conventions?

    We are biased in favour of the oppressed and biased against oppressors.

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2814%2961223-X/fulltext

    ~~~

    Sympathy and condolences to Hassan now a bereaved father and husband. Terrible.

    Sir Iain Chalmers – http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(06)69879-6/fulltext

  29. Haifa, Israel – More than 40,000 Israelis who were converted to Judaism in the past decade by the state’s official conversion courts may find their conversions annulled — rendering them non-Jewish in the eyes of the law — following a ruling last week by Israel’s Supreme Rabbinical Court.

    JERUSALEM — A growing crisis between American Jews and the Israeli government over a proposed law on religious conversion was averted — or at least delayed — this week, with both sides agreeing to a six-month period of negotiation. But the depth of American anger and the byzantine complexity of Israeli politics suggest that a solution is a long way off.

    No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!

    The land of honey and milk, private Jews only roads, free lands and free homes (they belonged to those terrorists Palestinians).

    All the while the blanket of infantile lies and more lies is to be further pulled over by the keyboard offence brigade whom are probably getting paid from the various aid provisions out of our tax funds to tell us all; what racist bunch of ill informed morons we are!

    Hadley resents anyone telling her what to think but sure as the day is long she will be in agreement with telling us goyim cattle how horridly antisemi… we are!

  30. Aidworker1 C P Scott was a supporter of Zionism.

    http://www.manchesterjewishstudies.org/cp-scott-manchester-guardian/

  31. Nobody’s telling Hadley what to think at all.

    She’s either gone soft in the head-or playing a disturbingly calculated role.

    Besides,its a bit bloody ironic a MSM fashion journalist complaining that she’s being told by others what to think!

    Similiar to a sockpuppet troll complaining of others trying to unduly influence a blog :-)

  32. Adam – you’ve been sold a piece of propaganda. Did you bother reading the link Harry Law posted? That’s just one page proving what you said is nonsense.

    Any cursory investigation will reveal the discrimination against Israeli Arabs. Type a few words like Israeli Arab and discrimination into a search engine. The fact that they are given some rights hardly means they are given equal rights.

    And its not just Arabs who are discriminated against.

    http://jewsvszionists.wordpress.com/tag/apartheid/page/10/

    BTW 80% of the people of Gaza are refugees from Israel’s ethnic cleansing of them. The ones still left in Israel aren’t there from Israeli kindness – they’re the ones who weren’t driven out. Look up Deir Yassin and the Lydda death march.

  33. Bravissimo maestro !

    And a nice little “new” war in Iraq to refresh the news cycle.

    In ride the white hats, a whuppin’ and a whompin’ their own assets, I mean the Big New Bogeyman.

    Lights, camera, traction…

  34. Jewish False Victim Pleading, see Hasbara Troll Manual p.563 can be used to use up listeners’ or readers’ mental energy in weighing up irrelevant evidence, i.e. an attention-diverting strategy prior to expressing an outrageous opinion.

    The outrage follows: that India and Israel are equally bad and that Israel should not be discriminated against.

    India is much visited by Israelis and they are detested there for their insolence, hard-bargaining and arrogance. The difference, as Craig so rightly points out between India and Israel is that India allows total freedom of travel, trade and residence to all, except some for foreigners with whom India is engaged in hostilities, while Israel restricts all of those things to foreigners and even to its own citizens.

    Oh, so finger in mouth Hasbara Hadley is trying to say that because the Palestinians are engaged in hostilities, they forfeit their rights as citizens. Where have we heard that argument before? George Bush in the War on Terror.

    BTW who is Shimon Elliot in the current War by Terror? Hadley Freeman is also a trained military operative in the field of false jihad and psychological warfare.

  35. Je

    Check the tail end of the Apocalypse Blair thread for an apology i was due you.

    Sorry again,cheers.

  36. Well spoken, Craig.

  37. You may ask what were the major powers and the international bodies asking of Palestinian leadership in the Quartet roadmap; SECURITY?!

    Israel’s ‘security concerns’ is code for Israel’s lebensraum, its idée fixe. Israel commands the cycle of repression and killing as integral to its ongoing land grab, which naturally invites resistance, which threatens Israel’s security, which results in more repression and killing and more land grabs.

    Two-state solution my arse. Is there any reason to expect an extinguishment of Israel’s ‘security concerns’ until the Palestinians have themselves been extinguished from the terrain? None whatsoever. Then Israel can start work full-time on its neighbors.

    Tony M
    8 Aug, 2014 – 8:59 pm

    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, so-called ”Caliph,” the head of ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant is, according to sources reputed to originate from Edward Snowden, an actor named Elliot Shimon, a Mossad trained operative.

    http://topinfopost.com/2014/08/08/isis-leader-al-baghdadi-is-a-jewish-mossad-agent-french-reports

  38. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 10:24 pm

    @Mary “C P Scott was a supporter of Zionism.”

    Of course at that time most liberals and those on the left were supporters of Zionism – perhaps Mary might like to ponder why that was.

  39. I read that the head of the Jewish Chronicle, Stephen Pollard, considers the cancelling of the Jewish Film Festival at the Tricycle Theatre (as referred to above) in this tweet:

    “Be clear on this. @TricycleTheatre is now officially antisemitic. It is singling out the Jewish state for boycott”

    That’s right. The Tricycle theatre – having staged this event for “many years”, has suddenly realised that Jews are involved in the Jewish Film Festival, and decided they can’t allow it. No context necessary, it’s a simple and clear case of anti-semitism.

  40. what is anti-semitism? commenting on the holocaust in gaza?

  41. A picture speaks etc.

    The inset shows the Abubakr al Baghdadi (for some reason most of the zionist scum chose this kind of stupid names) and besides he is sitting with a female companion and enjoying a very strict Islamic raki.

    This is the long traditions of Adam Yahiye Gadahn

    This one is al Kaiday tayrrorist with rewards and everything.

    Boy do these zionists like the idea of playing the part, and dressing up

  42. at that time most liberals and those on the left were supporters of Zionism – perhaps Mary might like to ponder why that was.

    Because they could not tell their arse from their elbow.

    Jewish supremacy, is as filthy and as virulent and as unacceptable as any other supremacist claptrap, so to find liberals and lefties supporting the murderous zionist creed only reiterates the starry eyed bunch of wannabes in search of a cause to be fawning over.

    With the results as seen on telly; the murderous genocide of Palestinians, and the destruction of quarter percent of the concentration camp called Gaza.

  43. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 10:51 pm

    Fedup

    So there was a lot of “Jewish supremacy” around at that time was there?

  44. Jives – Adam’s post is a good example of why its important people post different views. He seems sincere in thinking what he put was right. But hopefully, when he looks at the ample evidence, he’ll realise how wrong that was.

    If you’re in a place where everyone sings the same song, that doesn’t happen. And the things you’re wrong about don’t get picked up for you either.

  45. So there was a lot of “Jewish supremacy” around at that time was there?

    Jewish Supremacy = zionist scums creed

    Where did the “chosen tribe” come from?

    What does the “chosen” status tells us all?

    A crime against a Jew is a crime against god, the universe, the whole universe, and other worlds as yet undiscovered and unknown included the anti matter realm and the ……. Right?

    The matter of fact absolution for all crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, crimes against property, land theft is dispensed because of the exceptional status as sought by Jewish supremacists; “chosen tribe”.

  46. Hmmm … equal rights for Arabs ….

    “There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life ….”

    http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-Database

  47. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:05 pm

    I cant fkn believe it

    Anti sem this that or the fucking other…Words made up

    A Two year old hiding behind a rather large Kerb on a road

    Faceless Headless Children by the Hundreds in two weeks

    STOP YIR anti sem … Anyone who cries this word again in defence of what we have just watched in Gaza… i call EVIL

  48. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:08 pm

    Fedup

    You are becoming increasingly incoherent in you attempts to avoid the question – all religions tend to believe in their supremacy over others and so do most political elites, but only an idiot would try to claim that there was a Jewish supremacy in the years when Zionism was supported by much of the left.

  49. It seems to me from the recent Intercept stories, Snowden releases and other reading that the UK, excluding the spiralling costs of hosting and polishing US-controlled Trident nuclear weapons for Uncle Sham, spends a far greater part of the defence and intelligence budgets in mollycoddling the outlaw Israeli ‘state’ than it does defending the British Isles. The whole of the creepy Five-Eyes (US-UK-AUS-NZ-CAN) intelligence gathering hardware and personnel is fully at the service of and under the control of the ultra-zionist apartheid state. How long if this becomes public knowledge can such an crazed arrangement stand?

  50. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:14 pm

    On the subject of minority rights of Arabs within Israel I do remember reading a Minority Rights Group pamphlet on that subject over 30 years ago – and they certainly were not treated well even then. But then we could talk about Hamas’s far from stellar treatment of minorities as well – which is certainly far worse than Fateh’s, who can point to their rather better treatment of Christian Arabs. If we apply Ghandhi’s test of judging a society by its treatment of minorities there are very few, if any, in the Middle East that get anywhere near passing that test.

  51. Resident Dissident – The notion of Jewish supremacy was there at the very start.

    ” The fundamental ideology of Zionism however evolved much earlier with Moses Hess… “Communist Rabbi Moses” as he was also called, wrote Zionism’s Magnum Opus which Herzl later referred to as the book which says everything there is worth saying about Zionism. This book, “Rome and Jerusalem” was published by Hess in 1862. He was inspired, amongst others, by Spinoza. He defines the Jewish Nation by the following components:

    The Jewish race – superior and chosen

    Palestine – the homeland of the Jewish people

    The Jewish religion – the best guarantee for Jewish nationality.

    The importance of Blood in defining racial purity was common at that time and was also part of Hess’ conception. ”

    http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/wilhelmson.htm

  52. Very clever ‘scum’ Fedup The lesser end of the deceit transparency spectrum started long ago:

    -with Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention:

    http://www.icrc.org/ihl/WebART/380-600056

    The Zionist assert that Article 49 deals with forced transfer of civilians from an occupier’s territory into an occupied territory and so, therefore, does not apply in Israel’s case of having civilians occupy the West Bank since they went there voluntarily.

    The charge is ‘good people and true’ in the international arena, prosecute this Zionist
    ‘scum’ for crimes against humanity and war crimes.

    Thus far they have not and will not since seeing that the Eretz Yisrael creature willevoke fire on every land that slays her (Israel). (I don’t say that lightly).

  53. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:17 pm

    Anyone who cries this word again in defence of what we have just watched in Gaza…

    No one has – but using one evil to justify or ignore another is what?

  54. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:19 pm

    tonights newsnight and ten a clock news featured the words genocide. selectively, with regards to Christians ‘I’l be going to the mountain’ and the need to protect Irbil,this from a fit whitehouse spokeswoman….

    eat your socks, why not bomb Riyadh instead? follow the money.

  55. Resident Dissident

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:23 pm

    “The notion of Jewish supremacy was there at the very start.”

    Just as it is in every other major religion – and the same notion can also be seen among the Eminences. But perhaps you could enlighten us as to how Jewish supremacy was doing in the 1930s and 1940s?

  56. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:30 pm

    Just rereading Brian Fujisans succinct comment, I wish to second it. I would be prepared to stand back to back with him, even after three days of digging ironage clay deposits.

    Obama, boar, don’t you just now hit dem ISIS tooo hard, d’you hearmeboar? King of of all Camel hearders Saud might not like it? so NO boots on the ground and blinkers to the pilots, we’ll bomb you allright…..

    PS keep up the division you prat.

  57. Zionist ABC at its worst! first item on the Books & Arts Daily program. no attempt to get a repsonse from the Edinburgh Fringe officials:

    AUDIO: ABC: Protests at the Edinburgh Fringe force cancellation of Israeli
    shows
    Arik Eshet is a theatre director who is being targeted at the Fringe because
    he comes from Israel and his work is partly funded by the Israeli
    government.
    His musical theatre show was shut down after just one night because
    pro-Palestinian protesters made it impossible for it to continue where it
    was…
    An Israeli dance troupe, partly funded by the Israeli government, have also
    cancelled their shows.

    A SENSIBLE COMMENT ON ABC’S WEBSITE AFTER THE PROGRAM AIRED:
    Fay: This is a wonderful example of the BDS Campaign
    in action. Whilst Palestine remains powerless against the might of Israel
    military supported to the tune of 3 Billion each year by the US, BDS is the
    most powerful weapon Palestinians have. Keep boycotting. It worked in South
    Africa.
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/booksandartsdaily/art-as-social-fabric/5654268

    btw ABC host says thank u Arik to end the interview; Arik goes on and on and on.
    host then reads email that has come in! (am sure this is a pre-recorded
    program so cannot imagine there could be any immediate response to the story. sounded like it was set up). emailer totally sympathetic with Arik. “very robust” response says
    ABC host.

  58. Gaza, Israel, Gaza, Iraq, Israel. Gaza, Israel, Iraq. Yes it is terrible that nearly 2000 Palestinians have died, and that the West-encouraged (in Syria, anyway) ISIS are on a killing spree. But do you know how many Ukrainians have died this year… one estimate puts it at 10000. That would mean an awful lot of injured as well. Stop the War coalition has organised quite a lot of demonstrations on behalf of the Palestinians? But what of the Donbass people? What of the Ukrainian soldiers who seem to be being forced to brutally follow a neo-Nazi ideology. Don’t they count?

    If anyone can bear to look, here’s the evidence:
    http://rt.com/news/179048-ten-thousand-killed-ukraine/

  59. Resident Dissident – ” But perhaps you could enlighten us as to how Jewish supremacy was doing in the 1930s and 1940s?”

    In the 30′s, the Haganah were entertaining Eichmann, who said,

    “In 1937 when I had been struggling with Hebrew for two and a half years I has a chance to take a trip to Palestine… I did see enough to be very impressed with what the Jewish colonists were building up their land. I admired their desperate will to live, the more so since I myself was an idealist. In the years that followed I often said to Jews whom I had dealing with that had I been a Jew I would have been a fanatical Zionist – I could not imagine being anything else, in fact I would have been the most ardent Zionist imaginable.”

    In the 40′s, assassinating British soldiers in Palestine and wanting to make a pact with Hitler

    “In 1940 Abraham Stern, who later founded the Stern gang, sent a document to the nazis, Again it was found by the allies in the German Embassy in Turkey after the war:

    The National Military Organization(NMO), which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

    1) Common interests could exist between the establishment of a New Order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
    2) Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed volkish-national Hebrium would be possible and

    3) The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East

    Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognised on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side.”

    http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-against-zionism.html

  60. You are becoming increasingly incoherent in you attempts to avoid the question – all religions tend to believe in their supremacy over others and so do most political elites, but only an idiot would try to claim that there was a Jewish supremacy in the years when Zionism was supported by much of the left.

    The devious and underhand conflation of “religions and supremacy” is setting the trap; to catch a goy!

    Well this dumb goy is caught, …….. I am anti semi…. I have always been and anti semi… even though I could never tell I was an anti semi……. Yeah right!

    “incoherent”, ooooooohhhh I am getting all weepy now!

    “ Avoiding the question” Is your interrogative tone another g_d given right? Did Old Abe not only leave you the lands as per the land registry records (Bible to the rest of us), also Abe put you in charge of the goyim cattle too?

    but only an idiot would try to claim that there was a Jewish supremacy in the years when Zionism was supported by much of the left

    Zerzetstung deployed to deliver the anti logic and ram it down our throats yet again, anti semi… is anti zionism! Ergo zionist scum are not Jewish supremacists, they are only good religious Jews. Simple as that, boy these “supreme beings” are so clever so blindingly clever…….. My arse.

    The creed of zionist scum has always been Jewish supremacy!

  61. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    8 Aug, 2014 - 11:45 pm

    ‘Just as it is in every other major religion ‘

    Now I know its very hot, just try and take a breath, cool it. NO IT IS NOT! When does the buddhist religion ever speak of supremacy? You are once again diverting from the subject, i.e. who now has control over Hadley Freemans tippytitappity fingers on her keyboard.

    Further, what does Hindu, fascist and zionist talk/fascination with supremacy/ueber alles say about their acceptance of a world community. They are arsesentially divisive and obsessed with interupting intelligent solutions to petty violence, and for their own gain.

  62. @Je: I’ve thought for some time that Zionism isn’t a Jewish movement at all, but has cynically used and exploited jews… especially after ww2… for their own world domination ends. And jews are starting to reap the whirlwind as anti-Semitism rises in many countries in response to the serial bombing of Gaza.

    And what do you think of the argument that the Balfour Agreement was the price of US entry into ww1?

  63. Thousands of Hamas rockets that hardly ever hit anything, except, seemingly, by bad luck. Where do they come from?

    A massive tunnel system that the IDF ‘never knew’ was there, even though the removal of large volumes of earth from under the ground leaves identical volumes on the top that have to go somewhere. And no one noticed? Aerial surveillance must have been hyperactive in the area for years, with airborne ground-penetrating radar able to see to the depths at which the tunnels were supposed to have existed but never revealed anything? Seismic monitors able to pick up the sounds of underground activity never detected anything?

    In a Channel 4 News piece, the tunnel shown opened-up had a narrow gauge rail track running through it. The comment was made by the Israeli army spokesman that it extended towards Gaza in one direction and towards Israel in the other. There was no sign of a ventilation system, which would have been essential if it were going to be used by humans.

    Were the tunnels going into Gaza rather than coming out of it? Were the rockets going in via the tunnels? Were the tunnels really blown up? Are they still active?

    Hamas seems to have a total disregard for the well-being of the citizens under its control – about as much as the IDF lobbing shells over the fence.

    All of this raises the question as to what exactly Hamas is. Now if it is postulated that it is no more than a front organisation for the Israeli government, things begin to make sense.

    I think it was Lenin that came out with the observation that, “In order to control opposition, you must lead it.”

  64. @Nevermind. It shouldn’t be… but, excluding Buddhism, it is. A religion with supreme deity offers a politician a great opportunity to manipulate peoples minds… so if they can sneakily use that religion to further their cause, of course they will do it. And, like war, this has been going on for millennia.

    Christianity was initially based on the works of Jesus. The Romans had to change it to make it based on a “traditional” supreme deity at the Council of Nicea before they allowed it to become an acceptable mass movement. A lot of Christian teaching was consequently discarded. I’m not saying that it was corrupted… just that politicians will always become involved.

    I know this shouldn’t be the way of the world, but it is… and I know I can’t change it. But I can still “wish” for peace and reconciliation, can’t I? And as we know, sometimes it really does happen.

  65. Peacewisher -

    i follow daily the atrocities being carried out in Eastern Ukraine, but Palestine is an issue that has been ongoing for many decades, & which could have been solved if not for the complicity of US, UK, Australia, etc. who knew this was going on during the recent attack on Gaza? read the rest from where these excerpts end -

    29 July – Jerusalem Post Grapevine: No monopoly on patriotism
    (SCROLL DOWN) POPULAR SINGER Einat Sarouf came from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem to sing the national anthems of Britain, Australia and Israel, at the official opening of the third Australia-Israel- UK Leadership Dialogue. It is the brainchild of Albert Dadon, a Moroccan-born businessman, philanthropist and musician who lives in Australia, but is interested in finding common ground between the three groups on a variety of mutual issues and challenges, such as immigration policies…
    The Australian delegation was led by Australian Minister for Education Chris Pyne, who was on his sixth visit to Israel. It included, among others, Labor MPs Michael Danby and David Feeney, as well as journalist Tony Walker, the international editor of the Australian Financial Review, who many years ago was stationed in Israel and has many friends here as well as in other parts of the Middle East.
    Among the British delegation were Stuart Polak, director of the Conservative Friends of Israel, former defense minister John Spellar and Baroness Pauline Neville-Jones. British Ambassador Matthew Gould and Australian Ambassador Dave Sharma were also present…
    Sa’ar said that with regard to the operation, the coalition and the opposition were united. “I cannot recall when we were more united,” he said, and commended Herzog “for the distinguished way in which he is leading the opposition these days.”…
    Both Sa’ar and Herzog thanked the Australian and British delegates for coming to Israel during a time of crisis, and were pleased to hear that there had been no drop-outs…
    http://www.jpost.com/Features/In-Thespotlight/Grapevine-No-monopoly-on-patriotism-369341#!

  66. as a former Labor voter, i shudder at the lies in the following!

    8 Aug: JWire: (Labor MP) Michael Danby battles the media
    However, I am just back from the Australia-UK-Israel Leadership Forum, where Tzipi Livni and Opposition Leader Isaac (Buji) Herzog expressed the social solidarity you would expect from a democratic society under attack. Rather than the insinuated aggression of the ‘Peter George hate Israel brigade’, the wall to wall support for the IDF operation in Gaza was based on a stoic understanding that Israel had no choice in resisting the Islamo-fascists of Hamas who killed three Yeshiva students and sent thousands of unguided missiles into Israel before the operation began…
    http://www.jwire.com.au/featured-articles/michael-danby-battles-media/45339

  67. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:00 am

    @Oddie. Yes, but (I think…) Gaza-Israel is about the Zionist desire for world domination, and has been going on since it become overtly political in 1917. Did you know that the when the declaration was read, it was addressed to Lord Rothschild? It was about corporate money from the start, nd perhaps no different today.

    Ukraine may have a “conspiracy theory” attached but is much closer to the oft-copied rise of fascism in a country, and subsequent liquidation of the opposition. People in the UK may be following it, but very few are speaking out. Atrocity is atrocity and I really can’t understand why so quiet?

  68. Your para. 3 says it all.

  69. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:08 am

    @Oddie, regarding your 2nd post: in Australia, it is probably all about money and “investment”. And we all know how much politicians like the former, in order to facilitate the latter.

    Great play on radio 4 (yup, BBC) this time last week, about the corruption of a young politician, deluding her into accepting that getting investment is what really matters (as opposed to truth…).

  70. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:10 am

    I’m not sure whether to be flattered or upset, Phil.

  71. If her photo, the one of Hadley Freeman, is anything to go by she is still a pup journalist, but her article demonstrates this even more so, and I think some of her ‘roots are showing’. I am glad that the Tricycle has taken a stand over this issue though not knowing the full circumstances of the Israeli Embassy funding or the Jewish films it was sponsoring leaves me uncertain. What I am certain about is, as Craig has clearly indicated, genocide is going on in Gaza and to write a piece criticising the UK as not being as appreciative of Israel as the US/Jewish environment from whence she sprung, says more about the US than its poodle, satellite, ally, or however you wish to describe us.

    On Tuesday and Wednesday I was there at a protest in support of the Shenstone Nine, fellow-protestors from the London Palestinian Campaign. They were lovely young people, who had scaled the roof of UAV Engines in Shenstone to protest against that factory’s sole purpose of manufacturing engines for drones. I have written about this factory before.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2013/05/24/drones-the-global-empires-current-weapon-of-choice/

    Its board is predominantly Israeli. The police were there in large numbers to make sure these courageous souls were arrested. They have subsequently bragged about their successful arrest of good peaceful people on the Staffordshire Police website. While I was there I counted at one time, close to the arrests, at least twenty five police officers I could see.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153032191692646&set

    I could not get them all on the photo. The factory was round the bend in the road, out of view, and that is where the majority of police officers were centred. There was a police helicopter overhead, not for the first time. The whole area had been designated a crime-scene, which indeed it was, because personnel in a factory participating in the production of drones are criminals of the lowest order. But the guys on the roof were the real heroes in a country which has become notorious in its protection of murderers.

    The cost to the taxpayer in this operation must be huge. Police might shoot ordinary civilians, Mark Duggan and Jean Charles de Menenez for example, with impunity, but when it comes to protecting people it is not the ordinary civilians they protect but the warmongers.

  72. Andreas W . Mytze: “what is anti-semitism? commenting on the holocaust in gaza?”

    Yes. Here is a demonstration of this new truth :

    Oakland-museum-cancels-Palestinian-kids-war-art

    This museum could stand up to its own government, and genuinely held outrage in not a few of its own citizens, when holding exhibits of Iraqi children’s art, in which they included their war experiences with Americans.

    But stand up to the Israeli lobby? Nah. Too dangerous.

  73. The House of Lords in 1922 voted by a large majority to repeal the Balfour Declaration. This was an insuperable obstacle as the Lords decision was Law and not exempted by the 1911 HoL reforms limiting how long they could delay ‘non-money’ bills. These 1910/11 changes were ostensibly and in the received history intended to facilitate a Land Tax which the many landowning Lords self-interestedly would reject, no Land Tax ever materialised, and hasn’t yet. The claim was made that as garrisoning Palestine entailed hefty economic/financial costs, this came under the 1911 Act and the Lords repeal and repudiation of Balfour was ignored and the Zionist zealot led Commons did over-ride the House of Lords where they were, as yet, less numerous. The Lords ‘Motion that the Mandate for Palestine in its present form is inacceptable to this House’ was almost unanimous. It was their last honourable act.

    From this point on this Britain’s Mother of Parliaments became a whore to Zionist interest.

    http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1922/jun/21/palestine-mandate

  74. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 2:33 am

    Interesting, Tony. Regarding my earlier query, I think I may have found an answer…

    “Weir makes a strong case that American entry into World War I was the quid pro quo of powerful Zionists close to President Woodrow Wilson for the British Balfour Declaration promising a home (though not a homeland) for the Jews in Palestine should Britain and its allies win the war.

    The importance of the Balfour Declaration in bringing the United States into WWI against the Germans might not have been widely known in this country, but, according to Weir, it was well known in Germany and it engendered the sort of antagonism toward their resident Jews that one might expect.”

    https://buelahman.wordpress.com/tag/horace-kallen/

  75. Resident Dissident,

    As you well know i often disagree vehemently with your posts but i commend you for debating well in this thread.Genuinely.

    I wish that some of the hasbara crew would take a leaf out of your book and at least stop being so backs-against-the-wall in their responses.

    Cheers.

  76. when u think it can’t get any stranger,

    7 Aug: The Local Germany: Israel calls on Germany to police Gaza border
    Israel’s foreign minister called on Thursday for Germany to send inspectors into Gaza to resume monitoring of Palestinian trade with neighbours Egypt. Germany should also push the EU to find a solution to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, he said.
    “The Germans, as Europe’s political leaders, must take a very decisive role in the Gaza conflict,” Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman told the Bild newspaper on Thursday.
    He also called for Germany to bring EU governments together to develop a solution to avert the unfolding economic and humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza.
    Lieberman demanded that Germany and the EU send inspectors in to the region to oversee trade between the Palestinians and neighbouring countries.
    Germany should “take responsibility as instigator of such a mission,” said Lieberman, with the aim of preventing violence escalating further…
    His comments support an earlier suggestion by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier to re-establish the EU Border Assistance Mission at the Rafah crossing between Egypt and the Gaza strip…
    The offer to resume the EU policing mission and re-open the border was reiterated by German, British and French representatives at peace talks in Cairo on Wednesday…
    http://www.thelocal.de/20140807/israel-calls-on-germany-to-police-gaza-border

    7 Aug: Electronic Intifada: Amena Saleem: BBC agrees to air Gaza charity appeal after getting Israel’s permission
    The BBC announced Thursday morning that it would broadcast an emergency charity appeal for Gaza on Friday — but only after it was reassured that it won’t face censure from the Israeli government for doing so.
    This is in stark contrast to 2009, when another Israeli massacre in Gaza was drawing to an end. Then, the BBC, along with Sky, refused to air an appeal from the same body – the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC)…
    So what has changed this time?…
    The reason appears to be that the allegedly independent broadcaster has been influenced by recent Israeli announcements that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and therefore feels it can safely broadcast a humanitarian aid appeal.
    Speaking on the BBC’s flagship radio news program, Today, this morning, the BBC’s media and arts correspondent David Sillito admitted as much.
    “Israel has said there is a humanitarian crisis … so it feels as though the issue of impartiality has come to an end,” he told presenter Sarah Montague. “There is no issue of compromising impartiality.”
    Montague then asked the obvious question: “So, it’s because of Israel’s admission that it’s a humanitarian crisis?”
    Sillito replied: “It seems to have been a key part of it. [Israeli government spokesperson] Mark Regev, making a statement on Friday, talking about a humanitarian window, a humanitarian crisis, seems to have been instrumental.”
    It’s a disturbing admission by the BBC that it feels it has been given permission by Israel to run the appeal — the same appeal it was too afraid to run five years ago because no such implicit permission had been given…
    David Sillito’s interview on Today can be heard on the BBC website (time code 01:12 onwards) until 13 August.
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/amena-saleem/bbc-agrees-air-gaza-charity-appeal-after-getting-israels-permission?utm_source=EI+readers&utm_campaign=c2650d9ebd-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e802a7602d-c2650d9ebd-290660781

  77. “small Satan” & “great Satan”? insanity!

    8 Aug – Arutz Sheva – Yaakov Levi: PM: We’re Fighting for the West, Not Just for Us
    In interviews with international media Thursday, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu pressed Israel’s case on defending citizens from Hamas’ terror attacks. By fighting Hamas, the leading edge of Islamist terrorism, Israel is defending not only itself, but the entire Western world.
    Speaking to Fox News, Netanyahu said that the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) “is taking swaths of Iraq and Syria. It’s now pushing into, right close to Lebanon and perhaps into Jordan… You have Hezbollah, radical Shiites fighting radical Sunnis; you have Hamas…“They’re all fighting among themselves, but they all agree that once they destroy, vanquish their Muslim moderates who are there who don’t share their views and they behead them and do horrible things to them.

    And then they have to get to Israel, which is the Western country in the region…but we’re the Small Satan. For all of them, you’re the Great Satan.

    The radical Shiites are backed by Iran. The radical Sunnis have various backers and so on, and these people fight among themselves who’ll be the king of the hill. But one thing they agree on, it’s going to be an Islamist hill and it’s going to be a world dominated by their unforgiving creed, their violent ideology which rejects modernity, rejects human rights, rejects, puts women as chattel, all minorities are subjugated or eliminated,” Netanyahu said.
    Speaking to German network ZDF, Netanyahu said “Hamas is part of a movement, an Islamist movement that wants to reconstruct an Islamic dominion without human rights, without plurality, women as chattel, no rights for minorities, for gays, you name it. … when we see that spreading in parts of Europe, we‘re grateful when we see strong leaders like Angela Merkel, and some others in Europe, stand up forcefully against this anti-Semitism. I think that’s, we need support for Israel, but also the fight against anti-Semitism, and the liberal values that we all share. Support for the liberal values that we all share.”
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183838?#.U-TeAqPZfuA

  78. Oddie would you care to comment on the info to be found on the internet, that Albert Dadon was a Melbourne real estate developer who employed the Tim, who subsequently became Julia Gillard’s First Bloke?

    I think it was John Pilger who wrote a scathing article on how when Team Gillard visited Israel, Gillard remained assiduously oblivious to the plight of the Palestinians.

  79. From an investor’s perspective is the Guardian Media Group a good investment?

  80. Just a little point on semantics: I’ve noticed a lot of commenters referring to Palestinians as Arabs. Yes, they speak Arabic but are not from Arabia; they are from Palestine. Calling them Arabs may reinforce the false notion in the minds of some that they are nomadic invaders from elsewhere.

  81. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 9:38 am

    Yes, very well put, Fedup.

    It is about time people stopped getting hysterical about hateful behaviour towards one group that is very capable of standing up for itself and supported oppressed groups because they are oppressed, and forget the politics. Of course that can’t happen, whilst the mm is under the control of politicians. I have to remind you all, although I’m sure you don’t need reminding, that it was Tony Blair who brought in “holocaust day”.

  82. Yes she is a disgusting Human being, but why?
    Why does she do these disgusting things?
    The reason is tribal loyalty.
    For Zionists this is more important than any other idiology or value.
    So Communists Zionists will become NeoCons if it will benefit Israel.
    She is no different.
    The lives of the people of Gaza do not matter at all.
    What matters is her tribal loyalty, and her fatherland, Israel.

  83. This has been a very interesting post and thread to read. Whilst you were all writing, I spent 7+ hrs!!in my car driving home from the SW on a journey that normally takes 3 hrs! The amount of traffic and the hold ups on the A303 were staggering. There were also two horrendous crashes to pass by. The firemen and the emergency services must have some terrible work to do. The scenery was beautiful and there was a vast amount of work going on to get the harvest in. Normally I would have gone by train to stay with my relatives but there are three station changes and in my present state of health, I could not have managed with my dog and luggage.

    I heard last night that our wonderful NHS is sending out teams of medics to help initially in E Jerusalem and hopefully in Gaza to assist with reconstructions, refashioning of amputations, providing prostheses and using plastic surgery to deal with the flesh wounds many of which will have become septic. It is harrowing just listening to what work is needed and being planned. Some patients including children might be brought here.

    To heal and not to harm……

    Did anyone listen to Dr Mads Gilbert on the video I posted yesterday?
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-palestinian-resistance-gaza-fighting-all-us-says-dr-mads-gilbert

    “The heart of the Earth beats in Gaza now. It bleeds, but it beats,” says Dr. Mads Gilbert. A very truthful and courageous man and a human of a stature we should all aspire to. Consider the pygmies he speaks of. Lethal, hopeless, and as say – life-denying.

    He refers to Stein the ‘left’ mayor of Tromso – and his silence. ‘Where are you Mr Stein?’ ‘Where are you Mr Borge Brende?’ Brebnde is the Norwegian Foreign Minister and presumably silent on Israel.

    This link from the mayor’s blog. The usual stuff. Always irony.

    Translated June 19, 2014 · 6:36

    stumbling Stones

    The speech to the County Governor Svein Ludvigsen at the closure of the stumbling blocks in Tromsø that I’ve written about:

    Ambassador – Commissioner – Happy People

    It makes sense to remember. It makes sense to highlight. For both memory and visualization carry with them lessons from the mistakes and the injustice that our ancestors have committed. But we must want to see. We would have to acknowledge. And above all, we must learn from history. We duties as human beings and without hesitation fight against injustice repeated.

    I once visited the Great Synagogue in Chicago, and was subsequently invited back to the rabbi. His message was that the biggest load we humans can carry is asking us indifferent to injustice. That indifference is dangerous for human dignity. That indifference blunted us as human beings.

    More than 6 million people were killed by the Nazi ideological madness. I have visited Auschwitz outside Krakow in Poland. “Arbeit macht Frei”, it says at the start of the carnage theater, ice set of anti-Semitism warped ideologues. An insult to human dignity.

    I have been in the dungeons of the concentration camp where torture on bestikalsk way was accomplished. I have seen the so-called GP practices where unspeakable experiments were performed on living people. Inhuman suffering to innocent, young and old, protruding. Because they were considered subhuman. For many of them, death was a relief. But the same death was a product of human contempt.

    /..
    http://jonasliberal.wordpress.com/
    ~~

    Strength to you Mads and to your healing hands and mind.

  84. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 10:19 am

    Adam

    “They {ie, 1,5 million Arabs living in Israel}actually have more rights there than they have in any other Arab country.”
    _________________

    This, surely, is un-arguable and needs to be repeated as often as necessary.

    *******************

    Habbakuk for Truth and Reason.

  85. This is OUR NHS that Cameron is using now for his own propaganda purposes and the NHS whose fabric he is doing his best to destroy. What a shallow opportunist he is.

    9 August 2014

    Gaza wounded to be helped by NHS experts
    The NHS team will be sent to Gaza in the next 48 hours

    The UK is to send a team of NHS medical experts to help people who have been injured because of the fighting in Gaza, Downing Street has said.

    Staff including doctors, nurses and anaesthetists will fly out to the region in the next 48 hours.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28715052

  86. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 10:27 am

    Fedup

    “No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!”
    __________________

    I genuinely did not know that that was the law in Israel.

    Could you please source that claim, eg by linking to the law in question?

    Thanks.

  87. Freeman’s piece some days earlier concerned female body hair.

    What a polymath she is!

    Should women shave their legs and under-arms?
    Waxing, shaving, plucking and threading – most women go through the torture. But there’s only one way to find out whether you genuinely want to – give up the razors for a week or two
    http://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/aug/04/women-shave-legs-under-arms-waxing-shaving-plucking-threading

  88. I note my posts about Gaza and Mads Gilbert are immediately followed by two irrelevancies in turn.

  89. PLEASE. PLEASE SIGN UP TO THIS. Gaza must be freed from its prison. It had an airport and a port until Israel destroyed them.

    The United Nations: UN to run Gaza’s border controls (sea and air)

    Opening the main gates of the prison that is Gaza will allow in a flood of humanitarian aid and assistance, and so give heart and hope to a beleaguered people.

    With international agreement, the UN should gently but firmly
    take the Gaza blockade out of the hands of the Israelis so that it can itself operate a humanised version of the blockade, in place of the present Israeli restrictions.

    The UN would hold a international conference at which it would seek everyone’s agreement to take over the running of the blockade from th Israelis. The UN version would not be called a “blockade”, it could be referred to as “internationally mandated border controls”, or something similar. The USA would use its authority as Israel’s main source of financial aid to ensure its cooperation.

    This proposed handover of responsibility for Gaza’s border controls
    would offer the following advantages and benefits:

    1. Humanitarian and human rights considerations would be built into the new border control regime, in a public and verifiable way This would reassure the Palestinians.

    2. Israel’s legitimate security considerations would be built into the
    new border control regime, in a public and verifiable way This would reassure the Israelis.

    3. US involvement in the preparations for and implementation of
    this UN conference would be crucial, and would greatly improve the
    image of the US in the world.

    4. This handover initiative would greatly improve the image of the
    UN in the world. If this isn’t the kind of thing that the UN should be
    doing, what is?

    https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/The_United_Nations_UN_to_run_Gazas_border_controls_sea_and_air/?eECxgib

  90. Fedup 8.55
    “They are not Christians and are in fact Zoroastrians (Ancient Persian/Iranian religion).”

    Yazidis are not Zoroastrians either, rather heretic Muslims of a Sufi group founded in the 12th century, who went too far and left Islam altogether. Being Muslim heretics puts them more in danger with ISIS than the Christians, so I’m not surprised they fled up the mountain.

  91. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 10:50 am

    Craig writes (to Adam)

    “There are just a dozen Arab members of the Knesset. There won’t be in future as the Knesset has just changed the electoral law specifically to exclude them.
    http://972mag.com/knesset-approves-bill-that-could-push-arab-parties-out/76755/

    Already if they open their mouths in the Knesset to protest they get chucked out
    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/feiglin-expels-arab-mks-who-call-idf-soldiers-murderers-video/2014/08/04/
    __________________

    Just a couple of comments on that.

    1/. How many MPs at Westminster are of Caribbean and Asian origin?

    This actually also reminds me of discussions that went on in the EU at the time the legislation on nationals from one EU country being able to vote in local elections in their EU country of residence (if this was different) was being negotiated. Luxembourg, which has a very high percentage of residents from Portugal, was very insistent that the latter should not be allowed to form a “Portuguese party” in order to contest such elections; the idea was that integration should require EU residents from other EU countries to vote for national parties (already existing or future) and not form one of their own on the basis of national origin. This notion was, I believe, accepted.

    Furthermore, I believe that in no European country will you find “foreign national parties”: there is, for example, no “Italian” or “Greek” political party contesting German elections, no “Arab” party contesting French elections, etc, no “Pakistan party” contesting UK elections.

    2/. Re Arab members of the Knesset using the term “murderers” and getting chucked out (I suppose, suspended): I’m not familiar with the Knesset’s rules of procedure, but I imagine they contain certain rules on what can be said and what can’t be said – “un-Parliamentary language”, perhaps? This is certainly the case in the UK, is it not, where if one MP calls another a liar and refuses to withdraw, he’ll be suspended for a certain length of time. Perhaps the same would happen if that MP called British troops murderers?

    Just a thought!

  92. I thought Hadley Freeman’s article was really offensive. She’s a good writer, of the Life & Style sort (not a fashion journalist, though she has written about that), but this really finishes her for me.

    There’s no real anti-semitic movement in Britain (even the BNP and EDL types are pro-Israel, because they hate the Muslims). But anti-Israel feeling, because of what they do, is quite strong. It’s a danger, if you’re labelled as attached to a hated entity, that you may get painted. It happens all the time to Muslims, and that’s thought to be OK. Melanie Philips, to take a specific example, does it all the time on the radio. The comment pages on the Guardian are full of wild hatred of all Muslims, on the basis of what a few have done, and those posts are not moderated.

    It’s highly regrettable, but people thought to be connected with Israel are indeed likely to get unfairly painted. But it’s not anti-semitism.

  93. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 11:07 am

    Mary

    “I note my posts about Gaza and Mads Gilbert are immediately followed by two irrelevancies in turn.”
    ________________

    Only irrelevant if you believe that it is you who should determine what is worthy of comment and response.

    What is irrelevant about asking for sources when someone on here claims that it is against the law in Israel for a Jew to marry a Palestinian?

    Remember – this is NOT your blog, so please don’t over-estimate your importance.

  94. Good intention Fedup so let us expand out the ISIS/ISIL/SIS/IS brand.

    The illegal invasion of Iraq, the gagging of Chilcot and the recent flabby US drone attacks on Northern Iraq are all deceptive components of regional change as expressed by Tariq Aziz who demonstrated the intentions of the US-Israel nexus eleven years ago in 2003.

    Prior to the invasion, Iraq enjoyed a 50-50 Shiia-Sunni marital alliance and the Kurds enjoyed autonomous power within the Iraqi state under President Saddam Hussein’s leadership.

    The no-fly zones imposed by the West in northern Kurd Iraq and southern Shiia-held regions between 1993 and 2003, following the first Gulf War solidified the lines of demarcation for the impending three divisions of Iraq to be finally carried out by this ISIS/ISIL/SIS/IS brand.

    The subverted and nefarious Western media have the pieces of a picture that meshed together to unfold to the world that Iraq is on the verge of being divided into three small states: Sunni Iraq, Shiia Iraq and an independent Kurdistan. A US/UK/IS black venture woven with hateful intentions to cause horrendous regional mayhem and destruction with military might for the creation of a “New Middle East” with Israel as the regional power in control of the region’s oil, gas and water resources.

    The wealth contaminated ‘empty suits’ that represent us, the people, are oblivious to the carnage, the blood and guts of innocent lives extinguished by CALCULATED fire and pain.

  95. Habbabkuk

    That really is poor. You don’t get thrown out of the Knesset for using the term “murderers” applied to Hamas. It is nothing to do with unparliamentary language.

  96. The Supreme Court heard an appeal on Monday by an Arab man who was convicted of rape last July for having consensual sex with a Jewish woman who believed him to be Jewish.

    Kashur, who was indicted for forcible rape, a charge later reduced to rape by deception as part of a plea bargain, was sentenced to 18 months in prison. He was also convicted of performing an indecent act on the woman, who had sex with him shortly after they met two years ago. When she discovered Kashur, who presented himself as a bachelor named “Dudu,” wasn’t Jewish, she filed a police complaint.

    The unusual case underscores the racial tensions between Israel’s Jewish and Arab communities, where intimate relations between the two are often regarded as taboo.

  97. Habbabkuk

    “They {ie, 1,5 million Arabs living in Israel}actually have more rights there than they have in any other Arab country.”
    _________________

    This, surely, is un-arguable and needs to be repeated as often as necessary.

    I am not sure which neighbouring countries qualify as ‘Arab’. Some are in a bad state at the moment.

    As for Palestinians in Israel, many have talked of apartheid. I read two books (not novels) by the Jewish Israeli novelist David Grossman several years ago called ‘Yellow Wind’ and ‘Sleeping on the Wire’. Both are based on a series of personal interviews and they describe the living conditions and rights of Palestianians living in the occupied territories (the first) and in Israel (the second).

    According to these books in no way do Palestinians enjoy equal rights or anything like it. What comes to my mind about Palestinians living in Israel is a comparison to the south of the USA before the legislation of the sixties, separate schooling, can’t eat in restaurants etc. Its not exactly the same but the feeling is comparable. The occupied territories of course are far worse.

    Of course these books are a little out of date now, but my impression, which this very informative thread has deepened, is that things are getting worse rather than better.

  98. Resident Dissident

    9 Aug, 2014 - 12:11 pm

    Je

    Well at least you have shown your true colours – but might I suggest that you do criticise others who adopt such a highly selective view of history when it comes to Gaza or other events.

    For most decent people an atrocity is an atrocity whoever is the perpetrator.

  99. State funded organisation to up hold the “values” and stop assimilation right in the heart of zionistan, “rescuing girls” from the clutches of those barbaric Muslims, Arabs, Christians, and other non Jews.

    The organization is responsible for disseminating the so-called rabbis’ wives letter, which called on Jewish girls not to date Arabs. It helped organize a demonstration in Bat Yam in which people held signs stating “Jewish girls for the Jewish people.” And it operates an initiative providing kosher seals of approval for businesses that don’t employ Arabs

    “Hemla was established for the purpose of building a warm home in order to help girls – saving Jewish girls from assimilation, whether it’s foreign workers, Arabs, [or] people with no connection to our religion.

    “all the rabbis in Israel” are familiar with the association and put girls in contact with her.

    Additional evidence of the connection between Lehava and Hemla comes from a phone call to the Lehava hotline where, for example, you can report Jews who rent apartments to Arabs or Jewish women who go out with minority group members.

    Knesset Research Committee: “We’re talking about 92,000 families in Israel in which one of the partners is not Jewish – we have a real problem that we have to deal with.”

    “The Jewish Agency invests millions in the war against assimilation abroad – in Israel they don’t invest. Not only don’t they invest, it’s seen as legitimate. I’m not talking only about Arabs. Today every girl wants to be Bar Refaeli. Did anyone even mention the fact that she’s going to marry a non-Jew?(Leonardo DiCaprio)

    Rabbanit Baranes, who is being modest here and has rescued over 700 girls to date. She doesn’t give up.

    For years we fought against assimilation abroad and there’s no reason why we should be separated from it when it happens here, inside Israel. The greatest Zionist danger was that the nation was being decimated abroad because of assimilation,

    Successful in their endeavour as the case of the following Knesset witness, proves;

    Sima says her family ostracized her because of her decision to marry Salah. “My grandfather was a rabbi,” she says. “Today I’m in slight contact with my mother, without the knowledge of my brothers and the other men in the family. Salah went through a lot with me. I was a lone woman, who became involved in an unfamiliar culture, and he received all the ricochets from my family. It’s very hard.” Salah says that all the mixed couples he knows suffer “from many problems. I love my wife and the children but I don’t suggest to anyone to marry a Jewish girl,” he sighs. “It’s a serious problem.”

  100. Joe Templeton

    9 Aug, 2014 - 12:31 pm

    The original piece by Freeman strikes me as measured, serious and rational. Freeman did not like simplifications and lazy thinking of one sort in New York, nor does she like it of another in London.

  101. If you thought that article was bad the DM has this one by a different Freeman (Hilary)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2720381/Why-British-Jew-I-m-terrified-anti-Semitism-suddenly-sweeping-country.html#newcomment

    Peacewisher -

    “And what do you think of the argument that the Balfour Agreement was the price of US entry into ww1?” Not something I know anything about. But saying “Zionism isn’t a Jewish movement at all” sounds a rather strange conspiratorial idea to me.

    Resident Dissident -

    “For most decent people an atrocity is an atrocity whoever is the perpetrator.” It is for me. Ah… you’re using the –pluck something bad totally out of your head that bears no relationship to anything I’ve said and imply I believe it — technique.

  102. Baa! Humbug

    Not sure if you are the Yezidi Peacock Angel or just a common or garden blog jester. You are the troll, not the trump card.

    If a blog is a record of one’s thoughts, Mary’s will be full of compassion and understanding. As to your own detritus, please pin a copy to your daily timesheet when you clock out.

    http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/markdroberts/files/2011/12/Leech-Last-of-the-Spirits-5.jpg

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 12:56 pm

    Craig

    “Habbabkuk

    That really is poor. You don’t get thrown out of the Knesset for using the term “murderers” applied to Hamas. It is nothing to do with unparliamentary language.”
    ________________

    I’m sorry you should think that, Craig.

    Now, I said that I’ve no knowledge of Knesset rules of procedure and so on, so I’m not in a position to argue with you on what you say here.

    Although the thought does occur that the term “murderer” might be treated differently in the Knesset depending on whom it’s used against – the country’s own forces and and organisation which at least the Israeli govt considers to be terrorist? Perhaps this also holds good for Westminster?

    I wonder if you accept the point(s) I offered about the n° of Arab MKs and “national” political parties?

    Bon weekend!

  104. Resident Dissident

    9 Aug, 2014 - 12:57 pm

    Je

    You are using the quote one sentence out of context without reading the previous sentence technique.

  105. Resident Dissident – No I read the whole thing and was left totally scratching my head as to how the last sentence related to anything.

  106. I know full well that this is Craig’s blog as I have reminded the trolls many times. The RI (Resident Interrogator) recently had the impudence/arrogance to tell Craig what he should be saying.

  107. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:03 pm

    Passerby (lengthy comments at 12h30)

    _____________________

    Well for sure, many Jews look unfavorably at Jews marrying outside their own religion. That also applies to Muslims and even, to some extent, to various Christian religious groupings.

    But your lengthy comments do not answer the question I asked you – which was to back up your assertion that “No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!”.

    Please supply information – preferably by way of citing the Israeli law(s) in question – to back up that claim of yours.

    Thanks.

  108. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:05 pm

    Mary

    “I know full well that this is Craig’s blog as I have reminded the trolls many times.”
    _________________

    Good. Then please act in accordance with that knowledge.

  109. Disgraceful Guardian on Israel’s ‘responsive actions’

    Posted by John Hilley on August 9, 2014, 10:06 am

    Rockets from Gaza answered with air strikes as both sides remain dug in over conditions for a lasting truce
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/08/gaza-conflict-talks-cairo-rockets

    ~~

    Ditto the BBC this morning.

    Gaza air strikes ‘kill five’ as rockets hit Israel

    Air strike on Gaza City (9 August 2014) In response to the rocket fire, Israeli forces struck 33 sites in Gaza on Saturday

    Mid-East crisis
    Human cost
    Under fire
    Faces from Gaza
    Children in conflict

    Five people have been killed in Israeli air strikes on Gaza, health officials there say, as Palestinian militants continue to fire rockets at Israel.

    Violence resumed after the end of a three-day ceasefire on Friday.

    Tensions have also been growing in the West Bank where protesters have clashed with Israeli troops. Reports say two Palestinians have been shot dead, one on Friday and one on Saturday.

    At least 1,960 people have died since violence erupted in Gaza in early July.

    More than 1,900 Palestinians, mostly civilians, have been killed, according to the UN.

    Sixty-seven people have died on the Israeli side, including three civilians.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28721914

  110. ‘An emergency appeal for people affected by the conflict in Gaza has raised £4.5m in less than 24 hours, the Disasters Emergency Committee has said.’

    I am sending my August state pension.

  111. Someone who shall be nameless always has to have the last word.

    Some expressions of sympathy for those many Palestinians bereaved, maimed and injured would be welcomed instead.

  112. Gilad is spot on.

    Enough of Elie Wiesel and His Lies!
    by Gilad Atzmon / August 8th, 20141

    According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, the London Times refused to run an ad featuring Elie Wiesel speaking out against Hamas’ use of children as human shields.

    The ad’s headline reads: “Jews rejected child sacrifice 3,500 years ago. Now it’s Hamas’ turn.” Wiesel’s statement is a blatant lie and the London Times knew it.

    Jews have never stopped sacrificing their children. The Hannibal Protocol is an IDF directive that orders soldiers to take ‘necessary measures’ to prevent their comrades from being captured by enemy forces. ‘Necessary measures’ include risking the life of the Israeli soldier and anyone who happens to be in his vicinity. Similarly, the Kastner Affair shows that at the peak of the Shoah, Ben Gurion and the Zionist establishment were willing to sacrifice many Jewish lives on the altar of the Zionist goal.

    The growing number of genocides and massacres committed by Jews in the last hundred years suggest that at least some Jews are pretty careless with other people’s children. Wiesel should examine the Holodomor and the role of ‘Stalin’s willing executioners’ as Jewish American historian Yuri Slezkine elucidates in his invaluable book The Jewish Century. Wiesel can also read Israeli Sever Plocker’s declaration that “some of (the) greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.” Just a few years after the Holodomor, the Yiddish speaking International Brigade murdered Catholics and burned their churches in Spain (1936). The tragic and violent circumstances in which the Jewish State was born didn’t sate the lust for violence among some of its Diaspora supporters, quite the opposite. The immoral Neocon interventionists that have been advocates for the death and carnage of millions of Muslims for the past two decades are largely Jewish Zionists. Wasn’t Lord Levy, the chief fundraiser for Tony Blair’s Government at the time we were led into an illegal war in Iraq, a proud Zionist Jew? Weren’t the Jewish Chronicle writers David Aaronovitch and Nick Cohen, who enthusiastically endorsed the Iraq war in the British media, Jewish? Perhaps the time has come for Aaronovitch and Cohen to explain their advocacy of lethal ‘moralism.’ Consider the infamous Bernard Henri Levy who admitted that “as a Jew” he “liberated” Libya. Isn’t it time for him to take responsibility ‘as a Jew’ for the sacrifice of other people’s children?

    I would like to advise Elie Wiesel that the argument that Hamas is using civilians and children as ‘human shields’ is not only wrong, it actually provides a glimpse into Zionist cultural morbidity and intellectual barbarism. Let’s imagine a volatile situation in which a bank robber failed to escape in time and is surrounded by police. Scared for his life, the robber takes a hostage and hides behind his/her back while sticking a pistol to the hostage’s head. Could you imagine a police officer ordering a sniper to kill the hostage together with the villain? The answer is, of course, NO. But Israel’s logic is very different. If it is true (and I don’t suggest that it is) that Hamas is using the Palestinian civilian population as hostages, then the IDF is clearly murdering the hostages and on a scale that has reached industrial homicidal proportions. Israeli officials occasionally admit that this is their tactic and it is consistent with Israeli military doctrine that adheres to the ‘power of deterrence.’ Israeli decision makers believe that civilian deaths discourage Arabs from entering into a conflict. The emerging number of casualties from recent rounds of violence suggests that Israel’s tactics are homicidal. They target innocent civilians and on purpose. This shows clearly that the Jewish State is an outlaw among nations and it may even be possible that the London Times realises that this is the case. The humanist message is obvious. The time is ripe for cleansing our cultural and public life of Elie Wiesels and other Jerusalemites who promote dubious non-universal ethics in our midst.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/08/enough-of-elie-wiesel-and-his-lies/

  113. Tony M

    ISIS is a USUKIS creation. Please never forget the utter lies of the UK governments through time

    If you omit the UK involvement, you miss the fact that the UK snipers started the war in Syria and also the relevance of the ‘nest of spies in London’. Only senior managers and asylum-seeker spies can afford to live in London.

    The neo/ -colonial powers could do absolutely nothing to subvert Islam or extract Muslim resources without the benefit-Britain nest of spies to consult and plan with. Such spies may not all be paid but they can obtain revenge against their former persecutors through the jihadist groups they advise.

    Saudi pays for the US military equipment and the jihadist mercenaries’ wages, but in the same way as the previous Muslim dictators were put in place by USUKIS with the assistance of the spies of those countries , so now USUKIS gains all its knowledge about how to destroy the Muslim countries from its own resident nest of spies in London.

  114. Yes the DEC is taking donations now.

    I tried posting the addresses for donations to UNRWA and Palestine Red Crescent to threads in papers like the Guardian and Daily Mail, just as I did here. But a google search reveals no results. If they pulled or didn’t accept all of my posts, as looks like, then they are utter scum.

  115. This reminds me British Jewish MP Sir Gerald Kaufmann’s anti-Israel outburst in the British House of Common during Israeli invasion of Gaza in 2008-2009. He said that as a Jew born in a Polish Zionist family, I admit: “Israel was born out of Jewish terrorism.” Listen to Kaufmann’s speech below.

    Hungarian-born Canadian Jewish speaker and author, Dr. Gabor Mate’, in an Op-Ed at daily Toronto Star on July 22, 2014, said that Israel’s neoNazi crimes in Gaza have turned “Beautiful dream of Israel into a nightmare”.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/07/26/uk-jewish-mp-israel-was-born-out-of-jewish-terrorism/

  116. Agree Guano – repeated here ’til hell freezes over’ !! – one million letters (emails) routed to empire might carry the intention in the time it takes to brew tea!

  117. Joining the dots, UKUSIS give Hamas rockets in order to create a conflict which can be used to deny the Palestinians their rights.

    UKUSIS get their own spawn, the ‘takfiri’ brand of Islam to cough up billions for jihad, so that UKUSIS can grab the resources and land.

    Theologically, here is no difference at all between the UKUSIS elite who put faith in their wealth and weapons, and a Yazidi shepherd who puts faith in his dead ‘pir’/ sheikh. Political Islam has made an alliance with one load of Kafirs against another load of Kafirs.

    If ISIS take power in Kurdistan, they will send the petro-dollars to Swiss bank accounts in the same old same old fashion, and they will imprison and torture their opponents in the same old same old fashion. Plus ca change…. Politics is a vastly dirtier game than mere superstition.

  118. Mark

    The election next year will surely be time to sluice out Westminster Muslim abbattoir, ready for next time…
    Stupid, stupid, stupid political Islam.

  119. doug scorgie

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:43 pm

    großer witz
    8 Aug, 2014 – 8:33 pm

    “Anyone know which day the march in London against the Islamic State’s genocide is planned for?”

    Did you not attend the Stop the War demonstrations in 2003, Gobbler?

  120. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:45 pm

    @Je:

    I haven’t forgotten our conversation about “IraqBodyCount”…

    I was being controversial, but can back up what I say. The Zionist movement was started by non-Jews, but used Jews to help gain momentum, and enable it to become an influential movement in four major world powers of the time: Britain, France, Italy, and the US. I can go further, but I’m basing this on history. Your use of the word conspiracy in this way is disingenuous… of course every movement starts with a small group of people with a plan.

  121. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:49 pm

    @Guano: Sadly, this isn’t new. The USIsrael alliance provided weaponry to both sides in the 1980s Iran-Iraq war. Thatcher used her influence to get UK involved as well… this should have ended with the publishing of the 1996 Scott Report, but Blair did nothing much about it.

  122. Passerby (lengthy comments at 12h30)

    Evidently there are now two “contributors” whom cannot distinguish quotations from comments on this blog! (strange coincidence or is it a conspiracy?)

    Miscegenation ist verboten coming loud and clear, yet there seems to be some kind of an infantile pedantry to distract from the issues; “show me the laws”

    Anti-Miscegenation Law in Israel

    Israel’s vile anti-miscegenation squads

    When the police lend support to vigilante groups hounding Jewish-Arab couples, what hope is there for coexistence?

    Whilst the proliferation of ultra-orthodox “vigilante police” is a stain on Israeli society, their Taliban-esque actions can at least be contextualised as the inevitable consequence of religious fundamentalism gone wild. Such communities are dominated by leaders who refuse to accommodate any form of modernisation or freedom of thought into their archaic systems of governance, and the emergence of “modesty squads” is simply a manifestation of such primitive and patriarchal thinking.

    ‘Protecting’ Jewish girls from Arabs

    Every night, dozens of young men in Jerusalem’s Pisgat Ze’ev neighborhood take to the streets and go out searching for girls. But theirs is not a promiscuous search. In fact, the group of some 35 volunteers is looking to prevent such interaction and to stop what neighborhood residents have overwhelmingly complained is a growing problem in Pisgat Ze’ev – Arab men going out with Jewish girls.

    Segregation today!
    Segregation tomorrow!
    Segregation forever!

  123. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 1:56 pm

    @Mary: Although irritating, it is a clever move though… although he’s taking an opposite view to most of us, he wants to still be perceived as part of the community and one of Craig’s favourites.

    Glad you are fully recovered and back on form!

  124. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 2:00 pm

    @Rehmat: Yes, that was a surprising, and very welcome, speech by “LFI” Gerald Kaufman. It was somewhat neutralised, when it came to light later that he was one of the biggest fiddlers of MPs expenses.

  125. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 2:08 pm

    Awesome picture taken from the top of the BBC building forty minutes ago:

    https://twitter.com/pjbodenham/status/498080913893634049/photo/1

  126. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 2:10 pm

    Passerby

    “Passerby (lengthy comments at 12h30)

    Evidently there are now two “contributors” whom cannot distinguish quotations from comments on this blog! (strange coincidence or is it a conspiracy?)

    Miscegenation ist verboten coming loud and clear, yet there seems to be some kind of an infantile pedantry to distract from the issues; “show me the laws”

    Anti-Miscegenation Law in Israel”
    __________________

    Passerby, you really are an awful liar but it’s always a pleasure to be able to nail you.

    I asked you to back up your assertion (or , if you will, the assertion which you quoted, presumably with approval) that

    “No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!”.

    The tone of that suggests that this is the law in Israel.

    I asked you to refer us to the Israel law(s) which forbid Arabs to marry or sleep with any Jews and that the penalty for so doing is to be chraged with rape.

    All you have been able to do is to furnish a link, misleadingly titled “Anto Miscegenation Law in Israel”.

    On examination, that link turns out to be a link to an excerpt from Russia Today on the subject of Jewish vigilante groups in Jerusalem seekin,g to prevent Jewish girls from dating Arab men.

    So I invite you, for the third time, to refer us to the Israeli law(s) that forbid Arabs from marrying or sleeping with Jews.

    If you cannot, or will not, I invite you to withdraw your original comment/disavow the quotation you supplied.

    Do you – or do you not – want to be taken seriously on here?

  127. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 2:17 pm

    This picture has now gone viral… 537 retweets.

    No mention of the Gaza demonstration on BBC news. For how much longer?

  128. doug scorgie

    9 Aug, 2014 - 2:18 pm

    Andreas w . mytze
    8 Aug, 2014 – 10:33 pm

    “what is anti-semitism? commenting on the holocaust in gaza?”

    Andreas, anti-Semitism is racism towards the Semitic peoples. The word “Semite” may be used to refer to any member of any of a number of peoples of ancient South-western Asia descent including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews (Jews), Arabs, and their descendants.

    However, the Jews who immigrated to Israel from Europe are not descendants of the ancient Hebrews and are thus not Semites.

    So anti-Semite referring to the Jews is a misnomer.

    The Palestinians in Gaza ARE Semites.

    Confusing isn’t it?

  129. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 2:21 pm

    Wow… something really is changing. Now on BBC news, including rooftop pictures:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28715052

  130. Resident Dissident

    9 Aug, 2014 - 2:29 pm

    @Je

    “I tried posting the addresses for donations to UNRWA and Palestine Red Crescent to threads in papers like the Guardian and Daily Mail, just as I did here.”

    My guess is that what they objected to was the rest of what you posted – there are good legal reasons if the content is similar to what you post here.

    @Mary

    “Jews have never stopped sacrificing their children.” – could you explain why this is “spot on” and not anti-Semitism? I commend your donation to DEC but it doesn’t entitle you to indulge in such general slurs against Jews as a whole.

  131. Not so stupid Guano – Zionist Milliband the elder was the other nostril hole of Blair under the nose of the British public, so politically voided. Just in case time ‘peters out’ Milliband the younger is waiting in the wings with a few tricks to deceive an unschooled British vote.

    Oh incidentally my bitches are guard dogs which is not haram I believe.

  132. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 2:43 pm

    Watch live now on bambuser:

    http://bambuser.com/v/4839618

  133. R2S2 You had better contact Gilad Atzmon. As a Jew he knows what he is writing about.

    Meanwhile a lovely song, if rather poignant, from Leon Rosselson who has such a strong voice aet 80.

    http://stopwar.org.uk/news/a-song-for-gaza-the-ballad-of-rivka-and-mohammed#.U-YmN3JwbSc

  134. “Joining the dots, UKUSIS give Hamas rockets in order to create a conflict”

    Out of interest, is there any evidence that Hamas has rockets at all, other than Israel says so? After each sickening atrocity involving the bombing of a UN school or hospital (because, according to Israel, Hamas were firing rockets from there) has evidence of rocket launchers ever been found in the rubble, amongst all the dead children?

  135. Passerby, you really are an awful liar but it’s always a pleasure to be able to nail you.

    …..

    I don’t take lightly to insults or any hint of coercion!

    There is no point in continuing this disparate dialogue based solely on your unintelligent interpretations of an earlier point made by someone else, that is further, reiterated by you over and over again, in an attempt of distract from the main thrust of the issue; the endemic, and systemic racism towards non Jews in Isreal.

  136. Republicofscotland

    9 Aug, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    Well Glasgow flew the Palestinian flag yesterday, and although I have issues with this Labour run council, I applaud their solidarity with the poor folk of Gaza.

    O/T I do apologise.

    The anti-independence minded Daily Record, gave Ed (Friends of Israel) Miliband a two page spread today, he ,scaremongered on everything from a no currency union, to the EU wouldn’t admit Scotland, due to Scotland not taking its share of UK debt.

    The hypocrisy of the Canary Wharf owned Record (Who after all the facts on independence are studied), surely must now be considered anti-Scottish, have given a half page to a story, about a Better Together sign, that was damaged by some kids, which the Record claims are yes supporters.

    Still no mention of the threats made to Jim Sillars, if he goes to Fife, nor the disgusting slur on his wife Margo, in which a note pushed through a yes office branch read, “I’m glad big mouth Margo’s dead.

  137. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 3:19 pm

  138. doug scorgie

    9 Aug, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    9 Aug, 2014 – 10:19 am

    Adam
    “They {ie, 1,5 million Arabs living in Israel}actually have more rights there than they have in any other Arab country.”
    _________________

    This, surely, is un-arguable and needs to be repeated as often as necessary.

    ———————-

    No point in repeating it without facts, figures, references, links i.e. evidence.

    Oh I forgot Habbabkuk, Zionists don’t provide those things.

  139. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 3:38 pm

    Massive march in the original apartheid state. Bearing Habby’s comments in mind, whether we now have a second such state is a matter of debate. Anyway:

    https://twitter.com/IslamicFocus/status/498077967335948288/photo/1

    London demonstration now in Hyde Park. Est size: 150000, but people still filtering in. Live on RT news at 3 pm… how defiant!

  140. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 3:40 pm

    Tweet of the day. Sums it up perfectly:

    https://twitter.com/benwuk/status/498115805163581440

  141. So much for Ms Freeman’s thoughts.

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/76842000/jpg/_76842075_023450950-1.jpg

    Thousands in UK march to support Gaza
    Thousands of people take part in a march in support of Gaza as renewed clashes break out between Israel and Hamas fighters.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28715052

    _____________________________________________________

    Gaza! Gaza! Don’t you cry. We will never let you die. _____________________________________________________

  142. LOL. Crikey. It must have been those Hamas terrrrorists in one of their tunnels!

    Fuel stolen from pipeline under Deputy PM’s Kent residenceChevening House Estate Chevening House Estate is shared by the Deputy Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary

    Thieves have siphoned fuel from a pipeline which runs under Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg’s official country residence in Kent.

    Esso’s South East pipeline runs from Fawley Refinery, in Hampshire, to Purfleet Fuel Terminal, in Essex.

    The company said it discovered a section at Chevening, near Sevenoaks, had been tampered with.

    The Sun reported 30,000 litres of fuel a day were stolen over seven months, with a value of £8.3m at the pumps.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-28723670

  143. doug scorgie

    9 Aug, 2014 - 4:06 pm

    Fedup
    “No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!”

    ——————————-

    Not quite true Fedup, but there are problems for Jew/Non-Jew marriages in Israel.

    Please research more carefully before posting such comments, as it gives ammunition to the Zionist trolls.

    ——————————-

    “As many as one in 10 Israeli marriages are interfaith, with the non-Jewish partner often subjected to second-class treatment by the state.”

    “Rona Shulman and Thomas Lebreton had been together for six years and had two daughters before they decided to tie the knot. But they had to leave Israel to get married, because Thomas isn’t Jewish, and Israeli law does not permit marriages between members of different religions within its borders.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/shavuot/.premium-1.596678

  144. James Mason

    9 Aug, 2014 - 4:21 pm

    Do commentators on this blog have a solution to the Israel/Gaza situation? I do not, but would prefer to hear more from those who follow events as to what might be a sustainable solution. We can blame one or the other side, but what looks like offering a future that works for people who are suffering from the lack of an idea?

  145. Speaking (video below) at “Free Palestine” rally on the weekend in Leeds British lawmaker George Galloway, founder and leader of the Respect Party, blasted BBC, western-puppet Arab leaders, British government of David Cameron and the opposition leader Ed Milliband for collaborating with the Zionist regime in murdering thousands of Gaza people.

    “We reject this illegal, barbarous, savage state that calls itself Israel. And you have to do the same,” said George Galloway on August 2.

    Several British Jewish groups have registered complaints with the local police to investigate and take action against George Galloway for inciting hatred against Israel.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/08/09/uk-mp-galloway-israel-is-illegal-barbarous-savage-state/

  146. James Mason – May I, along with two friendly Jewish blogger offer you a lasting “anti-Semitic” solution to the Jew-Palestinian problem in the Middle East.

    A democratic one-state Palestine, based on ‘one-vote- one person’ with equal rights for all its citizen, dismantling of racist Zionist political parties and Israel Occupation Force (IOF), right of return for the natives and suitable compensations for their loss of properties to the Jew settlers – and of course the dismantling of country’s nuclear arsenal. All those racist Jews, who don’t want to live in peace with the natives – they should be allowed to migrate back to their ancestral lands – Germany, Russia, Poland, France, the UK, the US, etc. – as many White settlers did in South Africa, Algeria and India….

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/08/09/uk-mp-galloway-israel-is-illegal-barbarous-savage-state/

  147. Resident Dissident – my posts consisted of nothing else besides the two links to those two humanitarian sites for donations and saying that’s where to donate if people want. Being an emotionally defficient scumbag is the only possible reason anyone could have had for not passing or removing such a post.

    How many times did they talk about UNRWA and the Red Crescent Ambulances – and the British press and BBC collectively, all of them as far as I could see, ignored the fact that they were asking for donations. Gave no information about that at all. In all the articles and all the airtime – said nothing.

  148. James Mason

    “Do commentators on this blog have a solution to the Israel/Gaza situation?”

    Yeah the Israelis need to lift the siege. The Palestinians demands are all eminently reasonable.

  149. doug scorgie

    9 Aug, 2014 - 4:59 pm

    Mary
    9 Aug, 2014 – 10:40 am

    “The UN would hold an international conference at which it would seek everyone’s agreement to take over the running of the blockade from the Israelis. The UN version would not be called a “blockade”, it could be referred to as “internationally mandated border controls”, or something similar.

    The USA would use its authority as Israel’s main source of financial aid to ensure its cooperation.”

    I will sign this Mary but I am deeply sceptical about the future.

    The Zionists intend, eventually, to take the Gaza strip for the Jewish settlements. They are not going to give that vision up.

    I think where this petition says:

    “US involvement in the preparations for and implementation of this UN conference would be crucial, and would greatly improve the image of the US in the world.”
    And:
    “This handover initiative would greatly improve the image of the UN in the world.”

    …says it all really.

    And the story from No 10 about NHS medical experts and nurses being sent over is purely to improve the image of the UK in the world (and at home of course).

    We have to await the outcome of the conference but there will have to be a complete ceasefire on all sides.

    Israel will not like that and Hamas will struggle to rein in disparate groups that have no affiliation to Hamas.

    In the meantime and if this plan gets the go-ahead, what will Israel do in the West Bank and East Jerusalem? The answer is they will continue to expand the settlements.

    This plan is only a breathing space that will have no effect on the Israel/Palestine conflict in the longer term.

    The UN,US,EU (including the UK) are all complicit in the genocide of the Palestinians.

  150. Gaza: Raw Power against the Struggle for Justice
    Whatever happened to the US-Quartet Agreement, signed by Israel, ‘to give the Palestinian people freedom to move, to trade, to live ordinary lives’?
    August 9th, 2014
    Stuart Littlewood
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/08/gaza-raw-power-against-the-struggle-for-justice/

    Where is BLiar?

    Sing a song of sixpence,
    A pocket full of rye.
    Four and twenty blackbirds
    Baked in a pie.

    When the pie was opened,
    The birds began to sing;
    Wasn’t that a dainty dish,
    To set before the king?

    BLair was in his counting house,
    Counting out his money;
    Cherie was in the parlour,
    Eating bread and honey.

    The maid was in the garden,
    Hanging out the clothes,
    When down came a blackbird
    And pecked off her nose.

    PS Why did the maid get the rough treatment? It should have been the BLiars.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sing_a_Song_of_Sixpence

  151. Your excellent analysis Doug is sadly correct but let’s hope that Israel who have really exposed themselves to a world wide audience this time get reined in and we don’t have another Goldstone situation where they absolve themselves.

    The Palestinian Affairs Centre sent this ref Prof Francis Boyle.

    BOYLE, (217) 333-7954, fboyle at illinois.edu

    Boyle is a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law and author of Palestine, Palestinians, and International Law and The Tamil Genocide by Sri Lanka. He said today: “The ICC has shown that the hope that many of us had for it was not deserved, it’s been a tool of the pro-Israeli Western powers. Under no circumstances must the Palestinians accede to the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court. ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda is ‘Black Skin, White Masks’ a la Frantz Fanon. She will decapitate the entire Palestinian political leadership. The Palestinians will be back to where they were before the founding of the PLO in 1964.”

    Instead, Boyle recommends that nations that are signatory to the Genocide Convention invoke it against Israel at the World Court. Numerous world leaders, including the presidents of Bolivia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Pakistan and Iran have referred to Israel’s actions as genocidal.

    Says Boyle: “An appropriate legal remedy is to apply the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide against Israel at the World Court. Palestinians have been victims of genocide by that treaty’s definition. In 1993 I won two World Court Orders on the basis of the 1948 Genocide Convention that were overwhelmingly in favor of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Bosnians in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. I won the first emergency order in three weeks.

    “In the event the United States were to exercise a veto at the Security Council against the enforcement of this World Court Cease-and-Desist Order against Israel, you can then invoke the General Assembly’s Uniting for Peace Resolution of 1950 in order to have the World Court Order turned over to the United Nations General Assembly for enforcement measures against Israel.”

    Boyle was legal advisor to Dr. Haidar Abdul Shaffi, chair of the Palestinian delegation to the Middle East peace negotiations from 1991-1993.

  152. Craig,

    the drums of war are distant but only the deaf will not hear them. I wonder whether you and some of the contributors to the blog realize that our children may be the next targets in this murderous orgy, which never seem to end.

  153. I’m sure it’s been said, but I was amazed to see the Gaza march in London as one of the top stories on the BBC.

    It’s good to see. A nice surprise.

  154. Doug Scorgie “The Zionists intend, eventually, to take the Gaza strip for the Jewish settlements.”

    No, what they want is as few Palestinians as possible – which means hiving off Gaza to the UN, Egypt… anyone they can… so long as the demographic of 1.8 million Palestinians is removed from the consideration of the final status of the West Bank and Israel.

    Breaking the Gaza/West Bank bond is what they want. The whole latest slaughter has been about that – an attempt to scupper Hamas and Fatah coming together as one unified entity and people.

  155. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 5:37 pm

    Good and bad news for what remains of the Donbass people:

    Ceasefire?
    http://rt.com/news/179212-ukraine-militia-ready-ceasefire/

    More NATO weapons ($4.5billion worth) for ethnic cleansing…
    http://rt.com/news/179136-nato-plane-arrives-ukraine/

    Is the Israel brand becoming toxic to the Zionists->neocons, and isn’t Ukraine closer to huge mineral and energy resources that they may have set their sights on?

  156. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 5:40 pm

    @Je:

    I honestly think that the Palestinians won’t now be beaten. They have survived for so long, and with time are gaining support from peoples around the world.

    The neocons/Zionists won’t think twice about abandoning Israel when the time comes, and Israel urgently needs to reign back their aggression, in their own interest.

  157. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 5:45 pm

    @Mike:

    This was the billionaire who put a bounty on journalist Graham Phillips’ head. I don’t know how any criteria need to be ticked before someone can accurately be called a fascist, but he doesn’t sound like a very nice man.

  158. doug scorgie

    9 Aug, 2014 - 5:57 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    9 Aug, 2014 – 12:56 pm

    “…I said that I’ve no knowledge of Knesset rules of procedure and so on, so I’m not in a position to argue with you on what you say here.”

    ————————————————–

    Well Habbabkuk, why don’t you keep your mouth shut until you do some research?

  159. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 6:09 pm

    Staggering courage and empathy with Gaza from a Jewish lady in New York:

    https://twitter.com/SJK_ox/status/498147258576433152/photo/1

  160. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 6:25 pm

    Passerby

    “There is no point in continuing this disparate dialogue based solely on your unintelligent interpretations of an earlier point made by someone else, that is further, reiterated by you over and over again, in an attempt of distract from the main thrust of the issue; the endemic, and systemic racism towards non Jews in Isreal.”
    ________________

    There is every point in asking you to justify an assertion which, although not from your own pen, you happily posted on here for our attention.

    The simple assertion you posted on here was that
    “No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!”

    Even Mr Scorgie has told you that that is wrong.

    It is, and you are unable to supply the text of any Israeli law(s) to prove that assertion.

    Why do you find it so difficult to own up and admit that you posted tripe?

    It’s a small person who can’t admit he got it wrong and you are such a small person.

  161. Yes, Je, Protective Edge started not long after the Hamas/Fatah agreement. That’s not a coincidence.

    I thought we might have seen Hezbollah enter the fray by now. I guess they have their hands full with neo-con war #5.

  162. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 6:37 pm

    Whoops… it was £4 Million worth of military aid to Ukrainian military. Could not read, wasn’t trying to mislead. :)

  163. I found one of my posts on the Guardian after all. Google clearly isn’t good for searching for comments. The Daily Mail moderated in advance – I’ve just looked in vain for my post about how to donate to Gaza in some of the threads I posted to there.

  164. Mike – Hezbollah aren’t interested in provoking Israeli to carry out a repeat of the bombing on Lebanon they did last time. Nasrallah himself said if they had know the extent of that bloodshed they would have acted differently.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/28/syria.israel

  165. More on the Hannibal Directive.

    August 6, 2014
    Hadar Goldin and the Hannibal Directive
    By Ruth Margalit
    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/hadar-goldin-hannibal-directive

  166. A sick society with killing at its core.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusal_to_serve_in_the_IDF

  167. Gilad Atzmon

    “The time is ripe for cleansing our cultural and public life of Elie Wiesels and other Jerusalemites who promote dubious non-universal ethics in our midst.”

    Matthew 23:27 King James version

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

    We have two parallel sectarian authorities co-existing alongside ‘universal ethics’ and they both turn out to be the same thing. We have Zionist False-victim-lies and Political Islam Lies, trying to ride the dragon of Zionism. i.e. Israel’s apartheid and ISIS’s apartheid which refuses to accept the existance of Christians or Yazidis.

    In the centuries that followed the prophet Muhammad SAW, wholesale slaughter of non-Muslims occurred across the globe. Those greast and honourable Muslims who waged jihad against the enemies of Islam had first established the full meaning of Islam in their own lives, truthfulness, brotherhood, chastity. Like the gospels parable of the house that had been built on a stone foundation.

    Am I the only person who can see the difference between running your lives by deceit, cheating and political manipulation, and trying to ride on the back of your enemy, the Jews and Christians’ war machines? Like the house that was built on sand.

    Obama has unleashed Da’ish on Kurdistan with the 100% agreement of its secular and religious leaders. Obama knows the agenda of Da’ish because his orientalists in the Zionist universities have studied the accepted limits of jihad. That is like a person mimicking the act of Muslim or even Jewish prayer without any belief in God. Completely futile play-acting.

    BTW Muslim scholars refuse to engage with any parable from the gospels because they are actually obsolete and I only do so on this blog in order to explain a concept of Islam through a concept of Christianity or Judaism, for the benefit of non-Muslim readers. I am not using the gospels as evidence, but as an illustration.

    The one and only reason that I as a newcomer to Islam and refugee from UK Christianity do not support Obamas fake jihad is that the Kurdish brothers who told me about the Arab Spring and Caliphate plans ten year before they happened were bullies, liars, cheats, slanderers, abusers, profiteerers, mafiosas, embezzlers, manipulators, spies, double-dealers, racists, malingerers, misogynists, intellectually-dishonest scum.

    So I came to the conclusion not to follow them and their USUKIS plan. We are instructed as Muslims to listen and obey those placed over us in religion, but if we find out that they are disobedient themselves to Islam, there is no listening and no obeying. if there had been a grain of sincerity in these brothers the whole Muslim Ummah would have joined with them.

  168. IDF Whistleblower Who Posted ‘Israeli Troops Killed Gaza Civilians in Revenge,’ Now Under Arrest

    August 5, 2014
    http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/idf-whistleblower-who-posted-israeli-troops-killed-gaza-civilians-in-revenge-now-under-arrest/

  169. Off Topic serious concern:

    According to this statement by the Air Accident Investigation Board data has been downloaded from MH17 black boxes:

    Information from the flight data recorder has already been downloaded, an AAIB spokesman said, adding that data from the two black boxes will be combined.

    http://www.newsbomb.gr/global/news/story/476222/mh17-black-boxes-are-in-good-condition–british-experts-say

    AAIB have neither confirmed or denied this to my researcher. Further to this a Naval pilot with connections to Farnborough cannot identify the lead investigator from the Chief Inspector of Air Accidents.

    Article 12(3) of Regulation (EU) No 996/2010 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 20 October 2010 on the investigation and prevention of accidents and incidents in civil aviation calls for European Member States to ensure that safety investigation authorities, on the one hand, and other authorities likely to be involved in the activities related to the safety investigation, such as the judicial, civil aviation, search and rescue authorities, on the other hand, cooperate with each other through advance arrangements. Those arrangements shall respect the independence of the safety investigation authority and allow the technical investigation to be conducted diligently and efficiently.

    I will keep you informed if a response is received from AAIB. Thank-you for considering my indulgence.

  170. “However, the Jews who immigrated to Israel from Europe are not descendants of the ancient Hebrews and are thus not Semites. ”

    Myth bandied about by anti-Semites.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Y-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews

  171. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 7:39 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Blah, blah, blah..etc The Palestinians in Gaza ARE Semites.

    Confusing isn’t it?”
    _________________

    No, not really.

    Language evolves and the current, accepted meaning of “anti-Semitic” is “anti-Jew(ish).

    There are of course a few people who make a point of recalling that Palestinians are Semites but this is merely playing with words as far as any serious discussion of anti-Semitism is concerned. It is not serious.

  172. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    “Well Glasgow flew the Palestinian flag yesterday, and although I have issues with this Labour run council, I applaud their solidarity with the poor folk of Gaza.”
    _________________

    I’m sure the Palestinians are heartened beyond measure by that gesture.

    While I’m on this, does anyone know if Sheffield’s decision to declare itself an “nuclear-free zone” is still official city policy?

  173. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 7:51 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Oh I forgot Habbabkuk, Zionists don’t provide those things.”
    ____________

    I think you’re claiming – in a roundabout way – that I’m a Zionist.

    What makes you think that, Doug?

  174. Self inflicted prophet you are having one of your seizures/fits/turns again.

    It was me who said;

    No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!

    Which was followed by your usual “interrogative” style of “contribution”;

    I genuinely did not know that that was the law in Israel.

    Could you please source that claim, eg by linking to the law in question?

    Thanks.

    You can pull the wool over the eyes of the goyim cattle can you not?

    The case of Sabbar Kashur as already outlined corroborates the case for sleeping and getting charged with rape.

    However your instance on the laws, as in line with the Nuremberg laws that you are trying to infer, and then deduce zionistan is not a fascist racist and hell hole.

    This overlooks that the “clever tribe” has its informal Nuremberg laws, going back thousands of years (Nazis were the new kids on the block what would they know?) that are enforced strictly through informal channels and passed off as “traditions” as in the case of any other racist entity, under the guise of “miscegenation” is not a healthy or desired life style, and those who transgress the informal and traditional “customs” are made to pay dearly for their transgressions on a daily basis at the hands of the racist Jewish supremacists.

    As already outlined in Passerby’s comments (the lengthy ones) about rabbis annulling the marriages of those newly converted to Judaism (these are not considered proper Jews) less said about non Jews.

    However if you are still insisting on the formalisation of the Nuremberg laws you are cleverly of course discounting the law passed in 2003.

    The Israeli parliament passed a law preventing Palestinians married to Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship.

    Human rights groups have condemned the law as racist but supporters say it is necessary for security reasons and to maintain the Jewish character of the state of Israel.

    Fact that you cannot hide is the vile racist nature of the zionism and those Jewish supremacists engaged in such a disgusting creed.

  175. ‘I’m sure the Palestinians are heartened beyond measure by that gesture.’

    You can bet they are and hearing of the massive demonstration by 150,000 people in London and by others all over the world including the 200,000 in Capetown in the original Apartheid state.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/israelgaza-conflict-thousands-protest-in-london-for-end-to-massacre-and-arms-trade-9659180.html

    There is a silly little bit of propaganda about anti Semitism introduced in the piece.

  176. James Mason

    9 Aug, 2014 - 8:07 pm

    Je: Thanks for answering. But how would that lead to a solution? JM

  177. Mary @ 5.08. Francis Boyle said under no circumstances must the Palestinians accede to the Rome Statute, because the Prosecutor will not open an investigation under Western pressure.Kevin Jon Heller has an interesting take on this at Opinio Juris Please also note the excellent comment[number 5] by ‘Hostage’ “If Palestine simply accepts the Court’s jurisdiction on an ad hoc basis, the OTP’s decision to investigate would be considered proprio motu — and that decision would be subject to review by the Pre-Trial Chamber. (See, in that regard, the Cote d’Ivoire situation.) By contrast, if Palestine ratified the Rome Statute and then filed an ad hoc declaration, the OTP’s decision to investigate would be based on the referral of a State Party — and would not be subject to Pre-Trial Chamber review”.http://opiniojuris.org/2014/08/07/podcast-palestine-icc-additional-thought/

  178. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 8:27 pm

    @Mark: What is your concern?

    It has been decided that the Donbass people (or their representatives, with help from Russia) shot the airliner down, and that justifies their annihilation. Haven’t you got that?

    Given that the leaders have all these powerful governments have already decided that, how can the investigators possibly come up with any other conclusion.
    :(

    @Habby: Sheffield was made a nuclear free zone at a different time… when the world did genuinely seem to be trying to get along and there was no war just round the corner. Since then we’ve had Yugoslavia, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice), Libya, and (nearly) Syria, by nuclear powers as well as the triennial attacks by nuclear Israel on its non-nuclear neighbours. The UN has done nothing. I think Sheffield would make note of how much the world had changed, and I’d expect that they changed their status after Neil Kinnock jettisoned labour’s anti-nuclear policy at the end of the 1980s. Doesn’t mean the policy was wrong… just that the world had changed.

  179. James Mason “But how would that lead to a solution? ”

    The Palestinians in Gaza would get to lead normal lives. If you want more of a solution: the Israelis can leave the West Bank and let the Palestinians there lead normal lives too.

    Or they could create a non-racist state of all Palestine and allow the refugees home to it.

    The occupying power has to stop occupying – that’s the cause and the only solution.

  180. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 8:46 pm

    @Mike: Just read your earlier post about BBC coverage. I think we have this person to thank Patrick Bodenham https://twitter.com/search?q=patrick%20bodenham&src=typd

    His rooftop photograph of many thousands protesting outside the BBC got retweeted nearly 3000 times. After that much twittersphere exposure, it would be absurd of the BBC to ignore it.

    https://twitter.com/pjbodenham/status/498080913893634049/photo/1

    Or… under pressure greater than that exerted by Ben Net, they could have had a change of heart. Or both.

  181. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 8:49 pm

    Fedup

    Firstly, no apologies for mixing you up with Passerby – you are equally medacious and stupid. That’s what you get when you play your silly Tweedledee Tweedledum games: ask Fedup a questiion and Passerby replies with some bilge; ask Passerby a question and in leaps Fedup.

    Anyway, to the substance.

    “No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!”

    has suddenly changed into

    “The Israeli parliament passed a law preventing Palestinians married to Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship.” !

    LOL!

    With advocates like you two, no wonder the Palestinians always lose the propaganda war! They really deserve better.

  182. Peacewisher

    9 Aug, 2014 - 8:53 pm

    @Je: for that to happen, the US would have to stop supporting Israel militarily.

    For that to happen, the Israelis would need to vacate all their post-1967 settlements.

    For that to happen, the UNSC would have to be reconstituted so one country can exert a veto to prevent International Law being put into practice.

    It could happen. Best case scenario for now is for Israel to voluntarily stop stealing and occupying yet more Palestinian land, and for the EU to stop abstaining in the UNSC to avoid displeasing the US.

  183. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 9:01 pm

    Peacewisher

    “I think Sheffield would make note of how much the world had changed, and I think Sheffield would make note of how much the world had changed, and I’d expect that they changed their status after Neil Kinnock jettisoned labour’s anti-nuclear policy at the end of the 1980s. Doesn’t mean the policy was wrong… just that the world had changed.’s anti-nuclear policy at the end of the 1980s. Doesn’t mean the policy was wrong… just that the world had changed.”
    __________________

    Your comment disappoints, because I had provisionally put you into a higher intelligence league than clowns like Passerby, Fedup and so on. But I may now have to revise your classification.

    Do you really not understand that I cited Sheffield as an example of meaningless, cheap gesture politics??

    Do you not understand that there was no STATUS – other than in a few people’s over-inflated minds – to change (“and I’d expect that they changed their status after Neil Kinnock jettisoned labour’s anti-nuclear policy ..” ??

    And do you not understand that there was no “POLICY” – in any meaningful, practical sense of that word – to change (” Doesn’t mean the policy was wrong…”) ??

    Think, for Heaven’s sake.

  184. I find that a lot of authors at the Guardian are blinkered narcissists who claim to be liberal or on the left but are mostly incapable of thinking things through properly. So many of them are also blatantly sexist and bigoted, even as they claim to be fighting against those things.

  185. Menacious. Questiion.
    Is the sherry kicking in?

    And this obsession about Arabs sleeping with Jews. Where is that coming from?

  186. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 9:18 pm

    Trumpet

    “I find that a lot of authors at the Guardian are blinkered narcissists who claim to be liberal or on the left but are mostly incapable of thinking things through properly. So many of them are also blatantly sexist and bigoted, even as they claim to be fighting against those things.”
    ___________________

    When I first read that comment of yours quickly I thought you were referring to most of the regular commenters on here!

    On re-reading, I’m sure you are!

  187. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 9:19 pm

    Mary

    “And this obsession about Arabs sleeping with Jews. Where is that coming from?”
    ___________________

    Ask Fedup and Passerby, Mary.

  188. “Menacious. Questiion.
    Is the sherry kicking in?”

    Mary, be aware that when someone attacks another on the basis of typos, it’s generally considered that they have nothing otherwise worthwhile to attack them on. It’s petty behaviour.

    “And this obsession about Arabs sleeping with Jews. Where is that coming from?”

    Introduced by Fedup, I believe. (Or maybe it was Passerby. I can never tell the difference.)

  189. Irish Senator David Norris rises against Israel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvRYXtPdmCU

  190. The armchair bigotry here is ridiculous. Your bleeding hearts can’t even get your hypocrite arses on a march for the Palestinians you allegedly feel oh so sorry for. Too busy blaming the Jews on the internet. Pathetic.

  191. Phil,

    Put the crackpipe down son,just put it down.

  192. @Habby: I don’t want to be “classified”, and I’m kind of relieved about that.

    Surprised that you can’t to a straightforward cut-and-paste, because that does change the meaning somewhat of my statement about the changing 1980s.

    I was there, Habby. Not in Sheffield, but very much part of the zeitgeist of the time in the UK. As ever, it was caused by a bungling government. Margaret Thatcher’s underlings obviously thought us Brits weren’t fearful enough about the Russians, and spent a small fortune in a recession posting leaflets “Protect and Survive” through every household’s letter box. Do you remember that?

    The liberals had always been antinuclear, but labour brought in Polaris. It was quite a change for them to become antinuclear, and in my they were led by CND, who parodied the government propaganda with “Protest and Survive”. The Tories were hated in the cities (remember the 1981 riots?), and most had labour-controlled councils. That is how the nuclear free zones came about…

    There’s more; a lot more. I’m surprised you don’t know this.

  193. Ba.al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Aug, 2014 - 10:36 pm

    Oh,dear. I rather like Hadley Freeman’s column, too. She can be quite funny, and often makes good sense. This seems to have been triggered by the Tricycle Theatre bustup and probably extended itself from her usual slightly acerbic take on cultural trivia.
    With,
    We’re not in Kansas any more, Toto.
    she at least recognises there’s a problem of perception. We get better coverage than the US, we are not infested bu fundamentalist Christians who have poached the Zionist narrative for themselves, even now the UK has a higher regard for natural justice and a lower one for unrestricted coercion, and the country is not wedded to gun law and heroic settlers.

    The basic premiss, that the Tricycle Theatre should be in some way compelled to host a Jewish film festival, is of course fallacious. Matters of cultural credibility, security and commercial viability arise, perhaps, and could do in parallel circumstances not involving Israel or the reason for Israel, Jews. Kilburn would be a prtty interesting place to hold, say, an Ulster Unionist film festival. I doubt Hadley would get too exercised about that one being called off…like many Americans, she might have close ties to Irish independence…

    But I think the eagle is straining at flies this time, Craig.

    Phil – no I didn’t go on the march. I long ago came to the conclusion that marches accomplish nothing, and in the case of Gaza, the government isn’t listening to anyone anyway. I have contributed to MAP, and will do so again shortly: here it is again -

    http://www.map-uk.org/

    But I won’t call you a ‘bleeding heart’ with a ‘hypocrite arse’ if you don’t. I see no point in adding to the anger.

  194. Introduced by Fedup, I believe. (Or maybe it was Passerby. I can never tell the difference.)

    Kitty has claws!!

    Correcting others, and checking their conduct of course is a sure sign of having lots to say.

    It is an Irish thing I suppose.

    ====

    Firstly, no apologies for mixing you up with Passerby – you are equally medacious and stupid. That’s what you get when you play your silly Tweedledee Tweedledum games: ask Fedup a questiion and Passerby replies with some bilge; ask Passerby a question and in leaps Fedup.

    The numbers of questions you ask have you confused; whom you have asked about what? Although it is clearly a sign of “intelligence” to lose the thread and keep on asking the wrong question from the wrong guy, and then insist on attributing the worn g comment to the wrong contributor and then call everyone; “stupid, idiots”.

    Self inflicted prophet, you are reliant on the book of Ezra and Nehemiah to ensure segregation. Further cocksure about the “anti assimilation” drives (as already outlined in the comments and links so far, but you wont have read them after all all you do is throw crap around as in a fashion after monkeys in the zoo) leave you safe in the knowledge that ta system that has Rassensehutz-Gesetz built into it already needs not to formalise and set laws about such eventualities. After all goyim cattle can be sent on a wild goose chase and come up with nothing!

    The only slight trouble was; the 2003 laws that are designed to circumvent any and all transgressions by ensuring that the untermensch cannot reside in zionistan, and thus to ensure any probable marriage collapses even if the participants are are purportedly “in love”!

    “No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!”

    has suddenly changed into

    “The Israeli parliament passed a law preventing Palestinians married to Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship.” !

    LOL!

    The clever tribe always ensures there is room left for prevarication, after all that is how the goyime cattle are kept at bay.

  195. @Phil: Each to his/her own. I would have liked to have been there… as I said, my last demonstration was the sad TU march in March 2011 where many of the marchers seemed to be devoid of passion, the speakers were going out of their way to be “politically correct”, and the only thing of interest was the Occupy movement. I felt then that something had changed about being British, and (most) TU leaders had become part of the problem. Maybe I’d changed…?

  196. Habbabkuk,

    So you berate Fedup and Passerby for tag-teaming.

    Pot and kettle methinks with you and your hasbara buddies tactics being exactly the same.

    You really are a foolish hypocritical oaf Habbabkuk.

  197. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Aug, 2014 - 10:51 pm

    Jives

    Team-tagging, Jives?

    What are you raving on about now?

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