A Good Idea

by craig on March 21, 2014 9:07 am in Uncategorized

Dashing off to London now to do an interview with George Galloway for his crowd sourced documentary “The Killing of Tony Blair”.  Sounds less like a film, more like a good idea.

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  1. Ba'al Zevul (I Don't Know if I can Keep This Up)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 9:14 am

    I wish you luck with that. The film will be most effective if it follows up leads given by the public with in-depth research

    Hint.

  2. I suggest that jail for life is a more appropriate outcome.

    I believe Blair is guilty of offences contrary to Section 56 of the Terrorism Act 2000.

    That is being covered up by the Metropolitan Police:
    http://thepolicearecheatingus.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/terrorism-act-2000-section-56-offences.html

    And by the Chilcot Inquiry:
    http://chilcotscheatingus.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/iraq-inquiry-letter-of-2nd-february.html

  3. I paid into that film knowing that George Galloway will make a very decent effort in exposing Blair for the callous treacherous, money grabbing, morally weak, mass murderer that he is.
    I can’t wait for the film or to see your contribution Craig.

  4. Top level Western politicians are untouchable by tacit agreement between all at that level.

  5. I look forward to George Galloway’s film and hope to hear more of his accounts.

    The crimes of democracies are rarely punished, as it is difficult to punish an entire voter bloc, so that democracies have far less practical disincentive to evil than any dictatorship whose dictator can be pinpointed for account. “This new invention of democracy is very closely connected with a peculiar phenomenon which has recently spread to a pernicious extent, namely the cowardice of a large section of our so-called political leaders. Whenever important decisions have to be made they always find themselves fortunate in being able to hide behind the backs of what they call the majority. In observing one of these political manipulators one notices how he wheedles the majority in order to get their sanction for whatever action he takes. He has to have accomplices in order to be able to shift responsibility to other shoulders whenever it is opportune to do so.” When majority opinion – in itself already a socially persuasive force – is further given political authority, it acquires an illusion of moral rectitude, meaning that democratic nations can rarely be brought to even admit collective guilt for evils they have perpetrated. Voters will at most blame the representative they themselves elected, while retaining unshakeable confidence in their collective ability to wisely elect his replacement.

    Sourced:

  6. Ba'al Zevul (I Don't Know if I can Keep This Up)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 10:08 am

    Dr. Watt –
    That approach looks as if it has potential. Unlike the unenforceable citizen’s arrest for war crimes, this could put him in a UK court for a definable criminal offence. Like it.

    “… the (Chilcot – BZ) Inquiry seems to have concentrated when exploring the legality or otherwise of the Iraq War entirely on questions of international law. The Inquiry appears to have omitted to examine whether actions relating to the Iraq War involved criminal offences under UK law.”

    I wonder if GG has considered it?

  7. Tony Blair thinks it’s a good idea too, because “killing” refers to all the money he’s made.

  8. I suppose the Hague Invasion Act is sort-of on-topic here. The US reserves the right to use military force against the International Criminal Court at the Hague – “to protect United States military personnel and other elected and appointed officials of the United States government against criminal prosecution by an international criminal court to which the United States is not party.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act

  9. I thought the project had gone cold. Craig, could you get GG to give some idea when the film might be released and give him our best wishes.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22595538/the-killing-of-tony-blair

    As I have suggested for BLiar, a cell on a cold island with a loop playing of the screams of injured Iraqi children.

  10. Let us not forget his placement as Quartet Envoy/shill for the US and Israel.

    Palestinian Authority: Israel’s Doppelgänger
    by Vacy Vlazna / March 20th, 2014
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/03/palestinian-authority-israels-doppelganger/

    The Palestinian people have been betrayed many times over, not least by their politicians.

    The author – wonderful woman.
    Dr. Vacy Vlazna is Coordinator of Justice for Palestine Matters. She was Human Rights Advisor to the GAM team in the second round of the Aceh peace talks, Helsinki, February 2005 and then withdrew on principle. Vacy was coordinator of the East Timor Justice Lobby as well as serving in East Timor with UNAMET and UNTAET from 1999-2001.

    See here how much she cares for the Palestinians.
    http://dissidentvoice.org/author/vacyvlazna/

  11. numberstation

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:10 am

    Craig,
    All the best for the interview. It would be interesting to give your perspective on the meeting with George Galloway. Are you a fan of his?
    Regards,
    numberstation

  12. Personally, I’d suspend him by the goolies from a lamp-post on Tower Bridge rather than let him rot in jail at taxpayers’ expense.

  13. The BBC has an article today “Warning over number of war crime suspects living in UK”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/26677428

    Elephant.

  14. The only hope is to persuade the covert operators that Blair works now for Putin, or the IRA.

  15. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:57 am

    http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/trq/turquoise-hill-resources-ltd?postid=22347556

    What is it with the Persian – and Mongolian – New Year (today) and Blair? And did he fly there in G-CEYL?

    Which international aid programme will be donating a percentige to the Blair assets while the rest builds a dictator’s palace? Enquiring minds would like to know…

  16. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:58 am

    * percentage. Bah.

  17. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 12:15 pm

    Blairspotting could be bigger than trainspotting –

    http://news.tes.co.uk/b/news/2014/03/19/blair-calls-for-g8-summit-to-improve-global-education.aspx

    Not on the confirmed speakers’ list, though;

    https://educationandskillsforum.org/speakers/

    Possibly because he knows sod-all about education and bribed Security to get in?

  18. [craigmurray.org.uk – Deleted; personal attack against Mary]

  19. I don’t believe I have ever had more value from a tenner than the one I contributed towards the making of this film. The most frustrating things about the Blair situation is knowing that he knows that you not only know that he is a mass-murdering war criminal, but that you can’t do fuck all about it so up yours, pleb.
    Well, that tenner has let me do something about it. Finally I’ve been able to give him a small figurative kick in the balls. It won’t kick him all the way to the Hague, but it might just might be one of a cumulative series of actions that does. And at the very least, it will be a documented testimony to follow his reputation into the future blight it for posterity.
    It’s the tenner that keeps on giving.
    As I understand it, Galloway intends to use the available donations to make the best film he can, and the more he has the better the film will be. You can still donate here: http://www.theblairdoc.com/

  20. Craig, I hope Galloway doesn’t known that you apparently disparage him by stating that he tales porkies;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/09/blair-and-kanye-west-are-prostitutes/comment-page-10/#comment-429529

  21. You might also want to chin him about his fanatical, almost comical stance on Scottish Independence, he’s become a parody of the Unionist camp, he does it with such an deadpan expression too, I keep expecting him to burst out laughing from the pressure when delivering his logically inconsistent anti-democratic take on this. You might ask him to wink or something when trotting out this BritNat boilerplate tosh. We all go forward together hand in hand brothers and sisters across the world, by one or more taking taking that brave first step.

    Craig (when back), do you really think the disastrous course the country took in Iraq in 2003 – well any acceptable line into serious rogue state territory would have been any different without Blair, or some other mug in position, the earlier military action in Iraq over Kuwait and then the sanctions all culminated in this, the schedule going back to Thatcher’s last months in office and through John Major’s premiership, they both along with many more, participated in the killing too. I think Blair will try to share and spread the blame around as widely as possible, just think the military-security-political-media apparatus of whole generations of this country’s establishment are culpable, already egregious war criminals proven by voluminous evidence . Could Blair even have stopped it if he had non-psychopathic conscience of any degree and put his foot firmly on the brake instead of the accelerator?

    Hope the film goes well, I’m could make myself available for any glamourous dashing scenes.

  22. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:01 pm

    A date for your diary –

    http://www.globalfemaleleaders.com/

    Apparently Cherie is a global female leader. Anyone know why?

    http://www.globalfemaleleaders.com/speaker/cherie-blair/

    In Zurich, like this executive jet in January….

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/61993874@N08/12951512343/in/photolist-kJtToX-dZ8QYY

  23. Ba’al

    Blair has good reason for whooping up on Kurdish Newroz for all the profits from his ventures in Iraq. Looks like the -stans and Mongolia are going to get similar freedoms soon.

    The party lasted long enough in Kurdistan for the oil to flow into corporate pockets. Maliki has now been told by his USUKIS paymasters to spend the cash on weaponry and switch the Kurdish cash off.

    Surely Ba’al would be first to be celebrating the spring equinox. I have a feeling you must be an imposter/ false god.

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:38 pm

    “I thought the project had gone cold. Craig, could you get GG to give some idea when the film might be released and give him our best wishes.”
    ______________________-

    give him Mary’s best wishes (but not mine) and also ask him to make sure that he accounts properly for all the money which subscribers have coughed up for the film. Havana cigars included.

  25. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:40 pm

    Guano, where do you get the idea I would not celebrate Naw Ruz? (the spelling varies with the location I think)? I am a Canaanite god, with strong ties to Mesopotamia and Persia. Just a little eclipsed right now by all those tedious followers of a Book….

    Meanwhile, in Albania, the Crown Agents are about to reduce tax evasion and smuggling. You know, like they do so successfully here? And it’s all thanks to Tony Blair –

    http://www.balkaneu.com/foreign-company-starts-work-albanian-customs-fight-evasion/

    The opposition isn’t happy –

    “The opposition and several media in Albania have declared that the company that was hired to work in the Albanian Customs had close ties with the former British premier, Tony Blair, who is an advisor to prime minister Edi Rama. The opposition has accused the government of making an abusive contract at the detriment of the state budget. The government has considered these accusations as unacceptable.”

    But that never made much difference in Albania. This guy has a sharp take on the common ground between Albania’s current government and Blair-era neutered Britain –

    http://continentcontinent.cc/blog/tag/tony-blair/

    Worth a read.

  26. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:56 pm

    Not sure a film is gonna remove the shit-eating grins Dubya and Blair display in public. Their lack of repentance is evidence of a dearth of conscience and such allows them to blow off what they see and hear about their governance.

  27. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    ‘The Trap’ by Adam Curtis, is blocked from my last link for copyright reasons. Try here –

    http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/145347/The_Trap_Fuck_You_Buddy_BBC/

    Another sharp and visceral take on Blair.

  28. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:00 pm

    Ben, all one can do is try and get people to see Blair and Bush in their true light. Especially, I think, Blair. Bush was led by the nose – Blair was attached to Bush’s other end.

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    Macky

    “Craig, I hope Galloway doesn’t known that you apparently disparage him by stating that he tales porkies;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/09/blair-and-kanye-west-are-prostitutes/comment-page-10/#comment-429529
    ________________

    Are you stirring la merde again?

    The link you give merely has Nevermind claiming that Craig told him GG tell lies.

    Can you provide a direct link to Craig claiming that?

  30. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    Ba’al; It’s a daisy-chain. The group-grope of TEAM USA !!!

  31. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:23 pm

    Will Farrell in an excerpt from his hour-long, in-character portrayal of Dubya in the HBO special.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIB_SMG7kv0

  32. Sofia Kibo Noh

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Ba’al Zevul (I Don’t Know if I can Keep This Up). 10 08am

    The Inquiry appears to have omitted to examine whether actions relating to the Iraq War involved criminal offences under UK law.

    I wonder if GG has considered it?

    He better have. Great to see this film is happening. A sound investment by all!

    Dr Andrew Watt .9 17am.

    I suggest that jail for life is a more appropriate outcome.

    Mary. 10 50 am

    As I have suggested for BLiar, a cell on a cold island with a loop playing of the screams of injured Iraqi children.

    Noisy Tappet. 11 13pm
    Personally, I’d suspend him by the goolies from a lamp-post on Tower Bridge rather than let him rot in jail at taxpayers’ expense.

    Seems our blood-soaked friend has got the creative juices flowing! I’d like to see him cleaning the toilets in Fallujah maternity hospital, for whatever remains of his miserable, useless life. That way he’ll get to see a tiny,but dreadful, part of the human tragedy he engineered and have to look into the eyes of his victims.

    Tony M. 1 58 pm

    Hope the film goes well, I’m could make myself available for any glamourous dashing scenes.

    Yes good luck and

    YES, ME TOO….PLEASE!!

  33. exposing Blair for the callous treacherous, money grabbing, morally weak, mass murderer that he is.

    Everybody knows that already. The film will be a safety valve.

    Look at Galloway’s record.

    – Mission to Saddam Hussein’s government after official British diplomats had pulled out

    – Formerly he did stuff behind the Iron Curtain that wasn’t suitable for British diplomats to do

    – His political party, Respect, helps keep British Muslims supporting British parliamentary-democratic illusions. And I don’t mean as opposed to violence. I mean as opposed to realising that the whole political system stinks and there is no point playing its game.

    – Some of the people around Galloway have had long records at, ahem, organisations such as the British Council and Amnesty International.

    Is the penny dropping yet?

    Yes, sure, Blair is a war criminal.

    Politicians don’t run the show. I’m not saying that’s any mitigation. It’s not. Yes, he should be tried at the Hague and sentenced to life imprisonment with forfeiture of all his many millions of quid worth of assets. I’m saying that thinking that creeps like Blair run the state is ridiculous.

  34. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    ‘The film will be a safety valve.’

    ‘His political party, Respect, helps keep British Muslims supporting British parliamentary-democratic illusions. And I don’t mean as opposed to violence. I mean as opposed to realising that the whole political system stinks and there is no point playing its game.’

    Much in that. I really recommend you watch “The Trap” -from end to end if you can, but certainly Part 3. Reagan’s (Huntington’s) democracy lite: give the people the vote, but make sure nothing else changes….

  35. Ba'al Zevul (Just A Y'Know, ordinary Sorta Guy)

    21 Mar, 2014 - 3:59 pm

    ‘A sound investment by all!’

    I’ll endorse that when I see it, maybe. I don’t think your Dad is being entirely unfair for once. GG’s politically naif, and dishonesty is a word that has been mentioned in that connection. Sorry…but. Will even the fullest exposure of Blair’s activities resonate enough to get anything done about it? Or will we just get another interminable enquiry under a safe pair of hands?

  36. [craigmurray.org.uk – deleted; personal attack against Habbabkuk.]

  37. Here is a nifty little number “The Citizens arrest of Tony Blair.” Music mix
    As its Friday night its music night.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vevw36LcUm4&feature=youtu.be

  38. The proof is a click away in the handle up and to the left. Created in 2004 with the help of DoctorsforIraq the links are now granular, decayed or removed by culpable uneasiness; the images nonetheless go on, frozen on our event horizon while the survivors, the children of Iraq who endured that terrible massacre eleven years to this day, are now of age, determined with just a little help to conquer the scars of their loss, the hurt of their mental and physical pain and the memories buried deep within their hearts.

    Thank-you.

  39. [craigmurray.org.uk – deleted; personal attack, target unclear.]

  40. I remember the gorgeous one from his days on the GMC of the Labour party in Dundee.
    I better stop now, as i’m poor.

  41. Just to mention that about 2 weeks ago on RADIO 4 the lawyer husband of Melanie Phillips on LAW IN ACTION plugged an item about ARREST TONY BLAIR but the programme when broadcast proved to be a reactionary wash-out. Very disappointing. I wonder if it was put together purposely as a put down to those hoping that Blair will one day be held to account.

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 7:04 pm

    Anyway, enough of Macky and let’s think of something pleasant and inspiring for a change! Here are threes bits of news I gleaned from the media during the day and they are bit of news which can only be welcomed by every right-minded and normal person. They are all from the world of medicine and healthcare, seen broadly.

    1/. British govt about the make a vaccination for meningitis B available under the National Health Service; many will in future be protected from this killer disease as from their youngest years. Britain is the first country in the world to offer this vaccination as a part of its state health provision and it is, if course, free.

    Habbabkuk says : Conservatives care for health and the NHS. NHS in good shape.

    2/. Two adults – one of whom is a medical doctor! – are to be prosecuted in Britain for the offence of facilitating and encouraging the beastly practice of female genital mutilation. Although FGM has been illegal for years, and the practice is believed to be widespread, this is the first time that the DPP has authorised a prosecution for this offence.

    Habbabkuk says : this shows many encouraging things, first and foremost that the authorities have the welfare of the entire population at heart, in particular that of young Moslem girls who are the principal if not exclusive victims in the UK of this beastly practice. Conservatives care and will not let political correctness stand in the way of the rights of girls and women.

    3/. Govt statistics just released apparently reveal that the number of people in the UK aged 100 or over has quadrupled over the last 30 years. The increase was higher in England and Wales than in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Average life expectancy has also risen significantly over the same period.

    Habbabkuk says : this significant increase, occurring over the last 30 years (ie since the early 1980s), indicates that Thatcherism and its legacy is good for longevity; and the motto surely has to be : “more people live to be a healthy hundred in a climate of healthy competition and free enterprise”!

    One can, I think, truly say:
    *************************
    La vita è bella, life is goooood!

  43. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 7:11 pm

    Ian Cameron

    “the lawyer husband of Melanie Phillips”
    ________________________

    His name is Joshua Rosenberg. Definitely not related to the late Red revolutionary Roza Luksemburg, although both have smallish beards.

  44. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    21 Mar, 2014 - 7:14 pm

    Rozenberg, actually.

  45. Juteman

    Yes, I do too.

  46. 38 Degrees e-mail FYI

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    “Do you recognise how much influence you as an organisation have on the way people think about politics and politicians?”

    That’s what a Conservative MP said to me yesterday about 38 Degrees members. I was speaking in front of a committee of MPs looking into why people choose not to vote or get involved with the political process. I wanted to speak for as many of us as possible – so thank you to all 110,000 members who filled in the survey this week. [1]

    It really felt like some of the MPs were listening. Some of them were clearly rattled after hearing our home truths. But they all recognised that we’re a hugely influential movement – and that’s because our strength comes from the way we work together.

    In his closing remarks, the committee chair, Graham Allen MP even said:

    “You are not just you, sitting at the table as an ordinary person. You come as an enormous 800 pound gorilla with 2 million members at your back. You’re a very powerful and influential person, I would like to use that influence to get from you and your members a serious, positive package of things… We all know where we are and it’s not a good place. How do we get to that place and improve voter engagement?”

    I’ve never been called a gorilla before. But putting that aside, if I’d had the opportunity to respond, I would have said that our power comes from all 2.5 million of us standing together. To watch the evidence session click here:

    Click here to watch the evidence session

    Reading through your responses to the survey, what stood out above all else was a very real crisis of confidence, in politicians and the political system over all. I did my best to represent your views and hopefully I did a good job. [2] But it was hard not to get angry on behalf of us all.

    One of the Conservative MPs in the committee, Christopher Chope, chipped in at the beginning to say that this survey wasn’t representative of the public at large. And then left 10 minutes into the session. Another MP wouldn’t let me get a word in edgeways, it seemed he just wanted to shout at me, not listen.

    I know lots of us are sceptical about what happens next. But, together, we need to push for our democracy to work better for all of us. It’s too important to leave to politicians alone. What’s clear is that our movement proves that we deserve better – and together we’ll continue to work to achieve this.

    To watch me give evidence to the committee of MPs click here:
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    YES – I would volunteer to lead a team

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    NOTES:
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    http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2014/03/21/38-degrees-in-parliament
    [2] If you felt that I didn’t represent your views you can write straight to the committee of MPs, the ‘Political and Constitutional Reform Select Committee’ here:
    pcrc@parliament.uk

  47. George is a wasted career. He could have made a difference, if he wasn’t so dazzled by fame and fortune, and his loyalty to the British state.
    I can remember feeling pride as the flag of Nablus was hoisted above the city chambers.

  48. Anyone know what GG is doing with all that money??

    Anyway, super news all round as Tories set for six more years, Farage likely to cause the 3 parties a major upset at the EU elections, and Scots about to vote No on independence.

    Meanwhile, nil points to the far-left, as always.

    More direct action needed!

  49. “I can remember feeling pride as the flag of Nablus was hoisted above the city chambers.”

    And there you have the far-left dunces summed up.

  50. Resident Dissident

    21 Mar, 2014 - 8:35 pm

    You could ask George what he thinks of his employer Al Mayadeen talking repeatedly about the Syrian regime’s cleansing of its opponents in their news bulletins rather than their murder.

  51. Ben-MAD Western Carnivore and Warmonger

    21 Mar, 2014 - 8:57 pm

    It was a very good idea to don the sheep’s clothing…

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/52863/anne-applebaum/tony-blair-and-the-new-left

    “Still, when the history of Britain’s Labour Party is written, the real break from socialism will probably be dated from January 20, 1997, the day that Gordon Brown, Labour’s shadow chancellor of the exchequer, announced that a future Labour government would not raise personal income taxes during its first term in office — and would not increase public spending for its first two years in office. With that statement, which took most of the Labour Party by surprise, nearly two decades of Labour attacks on “Tory cuts” and the “unfair Tory tax system” fell by the wayside, along with more than four decades of socialist assumptions: Brown was telling not only the voters, but the nursing, teaching, and public sector unions who support the Labour Party that a Labour government’s top priority would not be spending. Hardly surprising, then, that last year, when their own polling revealed that most voters do indeed believe Tony Blair is different from his predecessors, even Tories gave up trying to identify him with his party’s socialist past. They instead invented a new slogan: “New Labour, New Danger.”

  52. Anon

    “Tories set for six more years, Farage likely to cause the 3 parties a major upset at the EU elections, and Scots about to vote No on independence.”

    Maybe some imprisonment of political opponents might see Farage and his racist views in contempt with further alienation of peoples and division of the social state.

    Unification of people against oppression and institutionalisation.

  53. “Sounds less like a film, more like a good idea.”

    Wishing somebody dead Mr Murray? Not only would I have thought that risked a visit from plod but I expected you to be implacably opposed to the death penalty.

  54. I think when Blair dies I shall manage to refrain from unseemly displays of grief.

  55. Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Tony Blair was responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Arabs. Then we would have to assign to Pol Pot 10 times that guilt, Mugabe perhaps 20 times that much, the Kim dynasty of North Korea 100 times that much and Comrades Stalin and Lenin 1000 times as much. Thus in perspective it is better to get hot under the collar about godless Communist rulers than Dubya’s good pal. Finally, I don’t hold Blair personally responsible for 100,000 deaths. The question is more complicated than Blair deciding on a Final Solution for 100,000 Iraqis.

  56. Kempe.

    Irony’s gone rusty considering retrospective evidence.

  57. GutterTheQuantifier

    21 Mar, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    Please, God, take good care of George.
    We wept when you took Bob away from us.
    And we wept when you took Tony away from us.
    But we have not lost hope.
    Please, Lord, take good care of George.

  58. Director of said film was arrested. Galloway will, I’m quite sure, find himself the victim of some Daily Mail smear quite soon. Apparently they are looking into Cheir Blair’s political career, Blair’s time at Fettes, and other such matters. Galloway should be very careful indeed if he touches on the early life of Bliar, is my guess.

    Apparently BTL wibblers are now subject to libel laws; a conspicuous example of the corruption of the legal establishment. So my guess is we all have to be careful around Bliar. His quite obvious and evident personality disorder – it really is blatant these days – is not to be discussed in polite society, it seems. This is a shame, I think. Because an open discussion of our ‘leaders’ (and Blair was never a leader of anything at all) is a good thing for society. Maybe one day it will be possible. Not at the moment, alas.

    I suspect GG will have a handy heart atatck soon. And, yes, I am this paranoid about our establishment.

  59. [Banned contributor]

  60. BrianFujisan

    22 Mar, 2014 - 1:07 am

    GREAT idea Craig… Would love to have been a fly on the wall at that Meeting…Looking forward to that film …. Though i keep thinking Cameron is getting off light..barely a mention that he is also a war criminal… Libya, Syria…bastards the lot of them.

    Mary

    Re BDS,

    British architects vote to ban Israeli group from industry association over expanding settlements

    The Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), the UK’s leading architectural association, has passed a motion calling on the foremost architectural union in the world, The International Union of Architects (UIA) to suspend Israel’s Association of United Architects (IAUA) over Israel’s continued illegal settlement expansion in the occupied Palestinian territories.

    The motion was based on a previous 2005 RIBA resolution condemning ”projects and the construction of buildings on land that has been ethnically purified or illegally appropriated”.

    Harriet Sherwood reporting for The Guardian states this is an indication the boycott movement is growing and quotes BDS spokesperson Rafeef Ziadah:

    …(Riba) has demanded the suspension of … (IAUA) from the international body, saying it is complicit in the construction of illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and other violations of international law.

    Some more @

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/architects-association-settlements.html

  61. Who are these people and where do they come from?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/cambridges-racist-may-ball-now-proslavery-song-heard-at-launch-of-event-9208811.html

    How did those from other backgrounds feel?

    ‘Tensions increased when a group at the launch party for the black-tie event started chanting “The South will rise again”, the anthem sung by the pro-slavery Confederates in the American Civil War.

    Members of the organising committee managed to stop the singing, but the incident caused deep disquiet at St Edmund’s, which is one of the most multi-ethnic colleges at Cambridge University. Around two-thirds of its students are from non-UK countries.’

  62. Thanks Brian. I had already had that from my youngest brother who is an architect. He sent a link to it from a magazine called Building Design so the RIBA motion is getting wide coverage in the construction world.

    Note that there is a mention on the creation and construction of an Israeli archaeological museum. No mention of the Palestinian history. All about the Dead Sea Scrolls.

    Row breaks out over Angela Brady’s RIBA Israel motion
    19 March 2014
    RIBA votes for suspension of Israeli architects from international body
    The RIBA has approved a motion calling for the suspension of the Israeli professional body from the International Architects Union (UIA).
    The motion, proposed by Angela Brady and backed by more than 60 members including Will Alsop, Richard Murphy and Jeremy Till, was carried by 23 to 16 with 10 abstentions in a secret ballot.
    Supporters at the RIBA Council debate yesterday argued that the Israeli Association of United Architects (IAUA) should be suspended until it condemns the policy of building illegal settlements in the occupied territories.
    Brady, who tweeted a picture of herself wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the RIBA charter, said one of the profession’s core skills was promoting well-being.
    She told Council: “Refusing this motion would send a clear message to the world at large that we as an institution turn a blind eye or by inaction support what’s going on – land grabs, forced removals, killing the state and human rights and reinforcement of apartheid.”
    She added: “We must act now. This has gone on too long. We’re at a tipping point. Israel’s illegal actions mean Palestine could be wiped out.”
    Speaking in support, George Oldham said: “Why Israel? It’s the only [country] where fellow member architects are directly involved in illegal acts. This is an entirely reasonable sanction.”
    And James Karl Fischer said: “Not to carry this motion is to make us irrelevant.”
    But other Council members argued it was the “wrong motion”, describing it as a misguided attempt to tackle an injustice.
    Anthony Clerici, acknowledging that it was one of the “most difficult debates I have sat through in this room”, said it was inconsistent of the UIA to seek the suspension of one of its members and not others.
    “The RIBA is already influencing for the better in many places in the world such as Libya, China, Russia, Saudi. I feel this is a better way that we should follow,” he said.
    Francesca Weal said North Korea was a member of the UIA. “Don’t you think architects are designing prison camps and torture chambers there,” she said. “Angela went to China on a trade mission to a country that took over another country: Tibet. We haven’t had a motion about China. It’s a big, powerful country where members get a lot of work.”
    Sumita Sinha, who has worked in the occupied territories, questioned whether expulsion would make any difference on the ground. She pointed out that the RIBA already does not validate schools of architecture in Israel/Palestine.
    “China, North Korea, countries in the Middle East all have bad human rights records,” she said. “Why are we singling out one country?”
    Brady accused “some people in this room” of allowing their desire to work in Israel/Palestine to influence the way they voted.
    Afterwards, welcoming the result, she said: “This shows the RIBA has teeth and it’s going to use them in a positive way. This is not a boycott.
    “Maybe China will be next but this is the starting point.”
    RIBA member and chair of Architects and Planners for Justice in Palestine, Abe Hayeem, who worked with Brady on the motion, said: “We urge the RIBA not to hesitate in backing this Motion to call for the IAUA’s suspension from the UIA, due to its failure to practice in line with the UIA Accords and Resolutions and the architect’s duty to all of society.”
    ISRAEL TO BUILD ARCHAEOLOGICAL CENTRE
    Israeli architect Moshe Safdie has designed a new national archaeological centre to showcase two million artefacts.
    The 35,000sq m centre is being built in Jerusalem and will house around 150,000 books. The government’s collection of 15,000 Dead Sea scroll fragments will also be moved into a new conservation laboratory at the centre. The scheme is due to be completed in 2016.

  63. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 9:30 am

    Brendan

    “Galloway should be very careful indeed if he touches on the early life of Bliar, is my guess.”
    ___________________

    Brendan, I hold absolutely no brief for Blair, but certainly Galloway – as anyone else – should be careful when making a biopic about someone. The laws of libel apply to Galloway as to everyone else.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ~”His quite obvious and evident personality disorder – it really is blatant these days – is not to be discussed in polite society, it seems. This is a shame, I think. Because an open discussion of our ‘leaders’ (and Blair was never a leader of anything at all) is a good thing for society. Maybe one day it will be possible. Not at the moment, alas.”

    Never let accuracy get in the way of something you feel you just have to say. The late former Labour MP and qualified pyscologist Leo Abse wrote a book called “Tony Blair – the man behind the smile” twenty odd years ago. I’ve brought this book to the attention of readers on a number of occasions. So the question of Blair’s inner personality has been in the public domain for quite a time.

    Leo Abse died a natural death, by the way, and was never sued as far as I know.

  64. I remember when Blair was challenged on slavishly helping the US attack Iraq. He gave a sneering little laugh and said “It’s worse than that”, boasting how if the US had been against attacking Iraq, he’d have pushed them as hard as he could to change their position.

    “It’s worse than that”, with a laugh.

    It reminded me of when George W Bush ‘joked’ on camera that staff had better check under his desk in the Oval Office to make sure there were no “weapons of mass destruction” there.

    Yes, both of these men have mental-health problems.

  65. The father of the House is standing down next year.

    MP Sir Peter Tapsell to stand down in 2015
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26683935

    He brought the House down in gales of laughter in 2006 when referring to BLiar and his reliance on divine powers for going to war.

    Another of Sir Peter’s references to BLiar.

    Sir Peter Tapsell (Louth and Horncastle) (Con): The invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq was, in my view, a strategic, political and humanitarian blunder of historic magnitude. It was a strategic blunder because the traditional aim of British foreign policy over the centuries, the maintenance of a balance of power in each region where we have a national interest, has been destroyed in the middle east. It rested on the balancing of the triangular animosities of Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Iran—respectively secular, Sunni and Shi’a—each hostile to the other two. That is why when Iraq invaded Iran in the 1980s, and it looked as though Iran would win the war, Britain and the United States gave much support to Saddam Hussein, despite his being already a proven warmonger abroad and a murderous tyrant at home.

    The major beneficiary of the overthrow of Saddam and his secular tyranny has been Shi’a, theocratic, nuclear Iran, a far greater threat to western interests today than Saddam was in 2003, with his by then non-existent weapons of mass destruction—the excuse for the invasion so shamefully advanced in the House by our Prime Minister, to his everlasting disgrace. I did not believe him then, and I voted against the invasion.

    The occupation of Iraq by foreigners has made Iran the most potent political force in the middle east, as Hezbollah recently demonstrated in Lebanon, so the neo-cons, who had long been plotting an attack on Iraq, in the event achieved nothing for Israel, and Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states are more than ever fearful of Iran.

    The invasion was a political blunder because the attack on Iraq divided the United Nations, divided NATO, divided the European Union, inflamed Islamic opinion against Britain at home and abroad, constrained British diplomatic influence and commercial success in the middle east and beyond, increased the influence of President Putin’s Russia, weakened the world economy by forcing up the price of oil and, at a significantly lower level of importance, has largely destroyed the political reputation of our Prime Minister.

    The war was a humanitarian blunder because of the tragic deaths of so many British and American soldiers and the many more whose bodies have been maimed and whose lives have been ruined, and the sadness and suffering that that has brought to their families, which will stay with them for the rest of their lives. It was a humanitarian blunder also because of the countless and largely uncounted tens of thousands of wholly innocent non-combatant Iraqis—Shi’a, Sunni and Kurds—who have been slaughtered, mutilated, orphaned or robbed of their homes and livelihoods by reason of the chaos into which the invasion has plunged the country that was Iraq, but can never be Iraq again.

    As a result of his tragic misjudgments in the middle east, our Prime Minister is, figuratively speaking, more deeply steeped in blood than any Scottish politician since Macbeth. We need an inquiry to tell us how he led us into this disaster, and to make sure that no vainglorious and ignorant Prime Minister can ever do so again.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/vo061031/debtext/61031-0010.htm#06103184001500
    31.10.2006

  66. Hold the front page! Blair is a morally weak, lying war criminal. Gorgeous George will put down his cigar and tell us all how it really is. Don’t rustle your crisp packets in the audience.

    I have the same feeling about this film as I had about Tariq Ali’s play, staged some time around 1997-98, which brought people the news that New Labour was ‘all style and no substance’.

    Another safety-valve.

  67. The flag of Nablus was hoisted above the city chambers.

    And nearby, Marks and Spencer went on trading as usual, right?
    And Starbucks.
    And Group Four.
    And Caterpillar.

    But the flag flapped meaningfully in the wind?

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 10:56 am

    Martin T (10h20)

    Brilliant post, Martin, I’m still chuckling. It’s almost poetry. Many thanks!

  69. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 11:04 am

    Abe Rene

    “Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Tony Blair was responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Arabs. Then we would have to assign to Pol Pot 10 times that guilt, Mugabe perhaps 20 times that much, the Kim dynasty of North Korea 100 times that much and Comrades Stalin and Lenin 1000 times as much. Thus in perspective it is better to get hot under the collar about godless Communist rulers than Dubya’s good pal. Finally, I don’t hold Blair personally responsible for 100,000 deaths. The question is more complicated than Blair deciding on a Final Solution for 100,000 Iraqis.”
    ______________________

    So much good sense in your post that I’m reposting it.

    Intentions and absolute numbers are factors which need to weigh in any comparisons.

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 11:07 am

    “The father of the House is standing down next year.”
    _________________

    That got me wondering, perhaps unforgivably whimsically: if the longest-serving MP were in fact ever to be a woman, would she still be called the father of the House?

  71. Habbabkuk; “The link you give merely has Nevermind claiming that Craig told him GG tell lies.

    Can you provide a direct link to Craig claiming that?”

    Sorry, but my dutiful & helpful reply to you has been removed, leaving the erroneous assertion in your question to strangely remain,so I once again kindly direct you to the key word in my comment that you either missed, or even perhaps don’t seem to know the meaning of;

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apparently

  72. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    Macky

    Yes, I remember. You used the word “apparently” to enable you to wriggle out of the charge of stirring up la merde for Craig.

    Didn’t work, apparently: you were spotted by others as well. Better luck next time, Macky., and have a nice day.

  73. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 12:26 pm

    Martin T

    While we’re on left-wing local govt inanities, did not David Blunkett declare the city of Sheffield to be a nuclear-free zone? Or was it Ken Livingstone and London?

    Either way, the Kremlin apparently (that’s for you, Macky) never got back to them on this.

  74. Habbabkuk; “Yes, I remember. You used the word “apparently” to enable you to wriggle out of the charge of stirring up la merde for Craig”

    Sorry this non sequitur response doesn’t address as to why you chose to deliberately falsely state that I “claimed” something that I didn’t ? Is was a question addressed direct at Craig seeking clarification, hence that important “apparently” word, which he has pointedly declined to do.

  75. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) a!

    22 Mar, 2014 - 2:00 pm

    Macky

    “Is was a question addressed direct at Craig seeking clarification,…”

    __________________________

    This is exactly what you wrote, Macky, no more and no less:

    ““Craig, I hope Galloway doesn’t known that you apparently disparage him by stating that he tales porkies;””

    Doesn’t sound like a question to me, Macky.

    Rather, I detect a rather pleased tone, a touch of sarcasm, a dash of malevolence. I agree with the other commenter who thought you were trying to get your own back on Craig for the tickings off he gave you.

    *************

    Over and out on this one, more important thing to discuss! Have a nice day now.

  76. 1+2+ three, gosh, who would have thought…Blair is a liar and deserves to be investigated by a team of judges and a proper researcher, full on Ba’al, Clarissa Dickson Rights claims about Blair,written in her autobiography, may she rest in peace, should also be investigated.

    No doubt GG will also be held to account for his past claims and dalliances, but for now he’s the best there is ‘investigating’ Blair.

    I’d like to offer him an opportunity to proof one of his claims, i.e. that he is a boxer. I’m willing to give him three minutes of my doubts in the appropriate ring, gloves or no gloves.

  77. Jemand

    And was the last Ashes tour cricket? One has to keep one’s pecker up somehow, brother.

  78. Habbabkuk; “Doesn’t sound like a question to me, Macky”

    Perhaps you need a refresher course in Basic English Comprehension skills, as my comment was certainly not a claim but an open question.

    The person who IS actually claiming that Craig stated Galloway lies, is of course Nevermind, so best direct your accusation to him, then at least this time you won’t be making things up.

  79. Nevermind; “I’d like to offer him an opportunity to proof one of his claims”

    As I imagine Habbabkuk will chicken out of asking you, I will do it for him;

    Do you stand by your statement of Craig telling you that Galloway lies ?

  80. If I could impart some friendly advice, stop digging Macky!

  81. Thanks, but no thanks Anon; nothing will ever stop me digging for Truth & Justice by confronting irrationalities & hypocrisy. 😀

  82. BrianFujisan

    23 Mar, 2014 - 2:01 am

    [craigmurray.org.uk – leave it to the moderators brianfujisan.]

  83. [Banned contributor]

  84. Whatever the truth or otherwise of what Craig has previously said and whether George Galloway is occasionally dishonest or misunderstood, you Macky are doing no one any favours, least of all yourself. You’re not a champion of “Truth and Justice” as you proclaim yourself to be, just a vindictive scragg out to derail Craig’s work.

  85. Listen, please will you refrain from vile utterances.

    Enlighten yourself. Fight exploitation and wrongdoing.
    http://www.antislavery.org/english/what_we_do/education/forced_child_cotton_picking_schools_competition.aspx

  86. Some refreshing views from George Galloway’s guests this week. Recommended.

    Seumas Milne on Tony Benn and Davisd Chandler on the break up of Yugoslavia.

    ‘Britain and the United States bombed Yugoslavia having spent decades subverting it, splintering it into an alphabet soup of countries and states. A NATO enforced “peace” in Bosnia-Herzegovina is now neither stable nor peaceful with predictions of a “Bosnian Spring” thickening the air. We invited Professor David Chandler of Westminster University into the studio to help make sense of the NATO sponsored break-up of Yugoslavia and ask whether this has been a success or a failure.

    And we dedicate part two to The Right Honourable Tony Benn who died last week. Seumas Milne, Associate Editor of the Guardian and author of the epic book The Enemy Within joins us to discuss the greatest British socialist leader of the last 50 years, as we look at Tony Benn’s life and times and the meaning of his death to the British left.’

  87. Galloway’s film ought to have been called ‘The Killings of Tony Blair’. As it stands the title suggests viewers will be treated to a feature-length disembowelment of the former PM, and while that might constitute pleasurable viewing for many here, it may be deemed confusing or even offputting to many.

    As for some of the regular violent fantasies towards Blair indulged in by many here and so excellently put into perspective by Abe Rene above, I’ve always felt a short spell – say two months – of community service would be ample punishment for his sins. In Fallujah.

  88. “the greatest British socialist leader of the last 50 years”

    Benn never led his party, he never even held any of the four most important offices of government.

    Benn’s socialism extended to renouncing his title, but not, unfortunately, to renouncing his inherited wealth, which, thanks to his astute use of an inheritence tax loophole, can now be safely passed on to his son.

    If anyone wonders why there have been no street parties or songs celebrating his death, it’s because he wasn’t a success.

    Another Bollinger Bolshevik, Benn will be remembered chiefly for being a fantastic gift to the right.

    .

  89. In other news:

    “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty and Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead are delighted to announce that their son, the Hon Stephen Kinnock, Husband of the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Denmark, has been appointed Labour prospective parliamentary candidate for Aberavon.”

    Who says socialism doesn’t pay?

  90. macky, it is irrelevant, it was years back, and georgeous george is not going to bite, not on the boxing or on giving straight answers.
    That said I hereby claim that all of us are liars when it suits us or when we are put on the spot/surprised with a question we don’t want to answer, its called evasive lying.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-spector-md/lying_b_2095068.html

    “The first maps the broad spectrum of lies, from the socially sanctioned and the self-deceiving to the conscious intent to mislead. The second area pertains to the lying animal, homo mendax, us humans.”

    Those who make out that figureheads and politicians are honest should examine their own personal life’s before asking others.
    Anyway this is about a film on another liar, a bigger and better one than George, who raises his children into his dynastic lying clan and wants them to turn out just like him….

  91. OT, sorry.

    Can one remotely take over a plane? and who has an interest in doing away with 20 of China’s top cryptographers?
    rhetorical questions after two weeks of ‘projected’ failure to find this plane.
    Who has the ability to shut off 200 cellphones on board that plane? asnd how many Awacs plane’s were in the air at the time after the plane disappeared? Questions only well connected diplomats can find out.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nsa-spied-on-chinese-government-and-networking-firm-huawei-a-960199.html

    and a more obscure site asking similar questions.
    http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-is-either-hidden-at-diego-garcia-or-tucson-arizona/

  92. Anon
    23 Mar, 2014 – 9:45 am

    “The Rt Hon Lord Kinnock of Bedwellty and Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead are delighted to announce that their son, the Hon Stephen Kinnock, Husband of the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Denmark, has been appointed Labour prospective parliamentary candidate for Aberavon.”

    “Who says socialism doesn’t pay?”

    If you think the Kinnocks are or ever were socialist you don’t understand politics.

  93. The last post raises an interesting point… the giving away of the Chagos Islands to the US for developing a massive air base was surely contrary to International Law. The historical record suggests that the pragmatic Harold Wilson may have done this very quietly as a sop to the US for UK not getting involved in Vietnam. But I’m sure that if the Chagos Islanders had held a referendum in 1970 (or whenever it was…) they would have voted for the status quo.

  94. A nice idea you could make a 3 part movie to rival Lord of the Rings
    “Lord of the Ka-chings”(sound of a cash register)
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/burger-eating-war-monkeys-and-thier-track-record/
    Tweedle Dem roars!!
    unfortunately it is just the pressure value on the boiler of representative democracy,its just letting off steam so the boiler does not explode!
    Tweedle Dem the third Tweedle that never gets a REAL say!
    Its people like Craig Murray or George Galloway
    If only Tweedle Dem could run the show ,everything would turn out roses!!!
    LOL…yeah right!! These Buddha like leaders will lead us into a New political age…?!?!?!
    A fantasy held by many representative democracy supportters because no-one ever told them about Direct Democracy!
    That is because centralised authorities make people scared and ignorant!
    Because an informed and confident people would never tolerate a centralised authority telling them what to do!
    In a true Direct Democracy we would NOT NEED this movie! The event would never of happened or he would already be in jail!!!
    IF Craig and George do NOT support Direct Democracy then the best they can offer is THIER version of a “benign dictatorship”, which would be quickly removed from any real power by a political Mainstream media advertising campaign and the systematic retaking of the tools of centralised authority!
    …just like after WWII!
    Sorry guys BUT you both are flogging dead horses here!!
    In political reality YOU are either “useful idiots” for the status quo or “gatekeepers” for the status quo.
    Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic will not stop it sinking!
    ..,.does George Galloway agree with your “puttin’ the boot in to Putin”?!
    and Craig ,has it sunk in yet ,that PUTIN AND BLAIR are in power due to the system of “representative democracy”
    A system YOU support!!
    …you complain about Putin and Blair BUT not about the system that gives him massive power? Hypocray?
    With this political system in power…WHO DO YOU THINK WILL REPLACE THEM?
    …a Gandhi like leader or another political dictatorial thug!?
    Would YOU like to put some money on this result?
    It is the very same political system in the East or West!!!
    Direct Democracy is the only PROVEN SOLUTION!!!
    …..that was my last post on this subject! As I cannot afford to waste my time flogging dead horses!
    Have a nice life guys and try not to destroy the planet with your delusional beliefs in “representative democracy” and “centralised authorities”!
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2014/03/21/direct-democracy-vs-representative-democracy-or-pure-democracy-vs-elected-dictatorship-the-real-root-of-todays-global-destruction/
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/how-do-we-achieve-freedom-liberty-and-democracy-without-fuss-or-bloodshed/
    http://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/a-direct-democracy-independant-scotland/

  95. The most recent injustice against the Chagos Islanders:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1102064/chagos-islands-court-defeat-over-marine-park

    Some of the comments are particularly poignant.

  96. @Mark G. Have you heard of the Kurdistan memory programm?
    http://www.kurdmemory.com/

    and this about the company who filmd these personal records.
    http://www.rwfworld.com/company/

  97. “Who has the ability to shut off 200 cellphones on board that plane?”

    Can we put this one to bed please?

    Cell phones are low power devices, they rely on there being a receiver nearby, that’s why they call them cell phones. They have an absolute maximum range of around 50 miles in absolutely perfect conditions. Inside the body of an aircraft it would most probably be considerably less.

  98. thanks Fred, so you think that nobody on that plane had any contact whatsoever after take off, not on their way over the malakan peninsula, not when crossing over Malaysia after doing a 180 deg.

    You think that is likely?
    Another point. Did any of these 20 cryptographers resist opeing their laptops after take off? I somehow don’t buy the story of non comms after take off, there were too many people on that plane.

    Why so much attention to this flight, but not to IR655 when it was shot down over the gulf of Hormuz, with 60 children on board?

  99. “You think that is likely?
    Another point. Did any of these 20 cryptographers resist opeing their laptops after take off? I somehow don’t buy the story of non comms after take off, there were too many people on that plane.”

    Look I don’t know if the plane was equipped with on board wi-fi or on board phone system or not. I think it would be unlikely in that part of the world. If it was both could be easily disabled by the pilot at the flick of a switch.

    Cell phones would definitely not work.

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