Andy Myles

by craig on March 26, 2014 11:18 am in Uncategorized

One of my oldest and dearest friends has gone public on his support for Scottish Independence. I am greatly cheered by this. More thoughts later.

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  1. Hopefully it will be a landslide. Beware of mass emigration from England.

  2. I want to move to Scotland, vote “Yes” and hope for independence. If anyone knows somewhere I could stay, a room in a shared house or something, while I look for a place, please e-mail me.

  3. Off this topic but have you heard the news about Gulnara Karimova Craig? Under house arrest etc.

  4. ‘Bring power closer to the people of Scotland’ –

    That’s sound.
    That’s real.
    That’s for sure.

    Placing Scotland’s future in Scotland’s hands is something that must be done.

  5. As am I, having known him from University days. I was especially heartened by his coherent reasoning in making what, for him, will have been a difficult decision but, having been made, will lift a weight I’m sure

  6. Apparently the UK has the 5th highest ‘defense’ spending after the US, China, Russia and Saudi Arabia. No way an independent Scotland would continue that obscene profligacy.
    Let’s hear more publicity about the Peace Divident.

  7. If the people of Scotland vote for independence from the UK, I will respect their decision. But I hope they vote to stay in the UK.

  8. Abe, and when the people of Scotland vote against independence, I hope the Nat Socs on here will respect their decision.

  9. Node: “Apparently the UK has the 5th highest ‘defense’ spending after the US, China, Russia and Saudi Arabia. No way an independent Scotland would continue that obscene profligacy.”

    That is because an independent Scotland would be about as relevant on the world stage as Moldova, and probably as well off.

  10. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:27 pm

    “I hope the Nat Socs on here will respect their decision.”

    Saw what you did there. But gather round, and I’ll tell you about the 1745 Anschluss

  11. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:30 pm

    “That is because an independent Scotland would be about as relevant on the world stage as Moldova, and probably as well off.”

    As Fred would say, can I see your figures? And are they based on the assumption that the freedom n’ democracy flagflappers round here would respect a Yes decision to the extent of not interfering in Scotland’s new international alignment?

  12. Anon 26 Mar, 2014 – 1:25 pm

    “That is because an independent Scotland would be about as relevant on the world stage as Moldova, and probably as well off.”

    Good. Suits me.
    Do you approve of the UK spending so much on ‘defence’ when we can’t afford to maintain our infrastructure?
    If so, why?

  13. Ba'al Zevul (Cream Banks For Fat Cats Now!)

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:31 pm

    …or grab the Hebrides back?

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/russia-stages-exercises-in-breakaway-moldova-region-of-transnistria-20140326-zqmyi.html

    Moldova’s not the best example you could have chosen, is it?

  14. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/10/scotland-land-rights

    It’s political independence which will be wholly orchestrated from the present dichotomy.
    The big decisions on revenue and expenditure should be transparent and the ability of Scotland’s independence to restructure should not be in doubt. For the ability of the British parliament, we can all question in our language.

  15. Ben-William Wallace

    26 Mar, 2014 - 1:38 pm

    “Lang may yer lum reek”

  16. It’s political independence which will be wholly orchestrated from the present dichotomy.
    The big decisions on revenue and expenditure should be transparent and the ability of Scotland’s independence to restructure should not be in doubt. For the ability of the British parliament, we can all question in our language.

    You do to the English language what Cumberland did to the Highlands.

  17. Wonder if the articles about the ship-building of those two aircraft carriers at Rothsay has anything to do with it – what would be left in some limbo if Scotland breaks up Britain?

  18. doug scorgie

    26 Mar, 2014 - 2:03 pm

    Ben-William Wallace
    26 Mar, 2014 – 1:38 pm

    “Lang may yer lum reek”

    Tell Ben tae come ben. If Ben doesnae come ben, tell Ben I’ll be ben to bring Ben ben.

  19. Ben-William Wallace

    26 Mar, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    “A’m leukin swatchin for John.”

    Sorry. That’s the extent of my vocabulary. :)

  20. One thing is for certain if a majority of us here in Scotland do vote Yes in September, we can kiss goodbye to future Royal Navy contracts. The rUK government will re-open the Portsmouth yard to massive acclaim while what is left of Scotland’s heavy industry goes down the pan.

    Good job there is so much talk from the SNP about a ‘fairer society’ ie. enhanced welfare and benefits as there will be many who are going to require that safety net.

  21. pete fairhurst

    26 Mar, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    You Scots are being conned by your so called “Independence”

    * The Queen will still be your head of state. Long rule the Saxe Coburg Gotha’s! [not] Wise up the power of the crown

    * You will not have your own money. So you will be enslaved in the western debt based money system still

    Don’t tell me that you will change this later on. That is just wishful thinking. And disingenuous too. If that is what you intend then it should be on the ballot

    The globalists always want to divide and rule. They want you to be “Independent”. Please don’t fall for their con

  22. http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-andy-myles/21/754/643

    Be interested to know what he thinks of the LD creeps occupying ministerial jobs in the cruel coalition we were landed with.

    See my links on the deteriorating NHS on the previous thread. One example yet alone the warmongering in Libya and the attempt to do the same in Syria, etc etc.

  23. “Apparently the UK has the 5th highest ‘defense’ spending after the US, China, Russia and Saudi Arabia. No way an independent Scotland would continue that obscene profligacy.
    Let’s hear more publicity about the Peace Divident.”

    Yes I know people here who are in the armed forces and part of that money feeds their wives and children.

    Defence supports a lot of families in Scotland.

  24. “* You will not have your own money. So you will be enslaved in the western debt based money system still”

    Scotland already have their own currency, independent of the rest of the UK, not controlled in any way by the Bank of England.

    The Scottish pound is worth the same as a UK pound for the sole reason the issuing banks promise to pay the bearer one UK pound for one.

    This system could continue in an independent Scotland, Scotland could keep reserves of sterling to back their currency or they could decide to back their currency with something else. The only difference is that Scotland would have to fund their own lender of last resort and the UK tax payer wouldn’t be forced to bail out Scotland in the event of economic collapse.

  25. fred 26 Mar, 2014 – 3:35 pm

    “Defence supports a lot of families in Scotland.”

    Spend the peace dividend on hospitals and schools – let those ‘defence’ workers be nurses and teachers.

  26. My best wishes to the Scots in whatever they choose.

    I should say though, in my experience independence movements are rarely, if ever, the endogenous affairs many imagine.

    Craig recently denied the large part played by the West in fomenting the Ukrainian coup.

    Here however is a detailed analysis of how the West organised that coup:

    “Meet the Americans Who Put Together the Coup in Kiev”

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/march/25/meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev.aspx

    Beware billionaires bearing freedom and democracy.

  27. “Spend the peace dividend on hospitals and schools – let those ‘defence’ workers be nurses and teachers.”

    To be honest I don’t think my friends would make good nurses or teachers, that’s why they joined the navy.

  28. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 4:55 pm

    Anon

    “Abe, and when the people of Scotland vote against independence, I hope the Nat Socs on here will respect their decision.”

    ______________________

    It depends what you mean by “respect”, Anon.

    In practical terms they will respect it, of course, if only because they have no say and no influence in the wider world outside the bubble of this blog. They will have no choice but to respect it.

    But in mental terms they will of course not respect it. As various posts on previous threads have already shown, they will find a hundred and one reasons for claiming that the referendum was unfair (threats, media bias, disinformation, etc etc zzzzzz…).

    *****************

    PS – teacher’s apple for Mr John Goss (first comment on this thread, posted a mere 21 minutes after the thread opened)

  29. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 5:06 pm

    Herbie reveals something interesting:

    “I should say though, in my experience independence movements are rarely, if ever, the endogenous affairs many imagine.”
    ___________________

    I had no idea that you had experience of independence movements, Herbie!

    Would be fascinated to get more detail – which independence movements do you have experience of? And what was your rôle in them?

  30. Vote #1 Free Scotland
    Free of England, London and Downing Street
    Free of external interference, mulicultural fantasies and Islamic infection
    Free of European carpet baggers
    Free of delusions of grandeaur
    Free

  31. Habby

    I’m quite content that you remain as ignorant on this as on everything else.

    I’ll just put you down as a middling level operative.

    Thanks for the tell.

  32. I myself believe Scotland’s independence is conducive to human evolution in a world now dominated by a weak, frivolous symmetry.

    The old form has vanished, replaced by a framework of greed, selfishness, competition and war. The center of this framework is the City of London, the laundry of commerce, a monolith of distorted power that has burned out the single market in an effort to support the British currency. Competitive challenges are becoming obsolescent such that market integration is championed by exchange, good-will trade and respect for dwindling resources.

    It is this respect for life and our partners that can for instance strengthen our security in a way that returns ‘bipolar unemotional coalition wars’ to the waste bin of history.

    The interdependence of English and Scottish families, friends, ideas, institutions and identities has composed a strong bond that will remain, developing further towards an enriched and homogeneous coupled society working together in a wise, thoughtful and intelligent way inspired by an exciting, exhilarating period of fresh, neoteric and ground breaking ideas from a Scotland liberated from terminal illness.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/04/against-scottish-independence-no-vote_n_4895582.html

  33. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 5:33 pm

    Herbie

    Your modesty is most becoming, but don’t you feel you owe it to your many admirers on this blog to tell them which independence movements you have “experience of”?

    Surely such information would only serve to enhance your credentials? After all, you made the claim in order to enhance them, didn’t you?

  34. Building carriers at Roth(e)say would be brilliant for the local economy, alas they are in fact constructed in Rosyth!

  35. Habby

    You’re quite welcome to dispute the proposition.

    Are independence movements invariably exogenously produced affairs, or no.

    Then you can deal with the evidence of Western intervention in the Kiev coup:

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/march/25/meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev.aspx

  36. Oh, dear! I will be flabbergasted if a smidgen of benefit accrues to the population of this country from this sideshow. The suggestion that politicians are interested in returning power to the people is clearly ridiculous. They would be talking themselves out of jobs if they were – advocating the reduction of their own numbers, not their increase. Whoever thinks we need more of the homicidal, kleptocratic buggers establishing their little fiefdoms about the place clearly likes paying taxes more than I do. I would also point out that we could degenerate into an array of city-states if we were daft enough (as perhaps some people no doubt are) – that would be something to look forward to.

    Genuine best wishes to all and try not to allow yourselves to be duped. After all, people like me, Craig Murray and, I suppose, Andy Myles will be all right anyway no matter what happens.

  37. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 6:31 pm

    Herbie

    “Habby

    You’re quite welcome to dispute the proposition.

    Are independence movements invariably exogenously produced affairs, or no.”
    ____________________

    I’d love to debate with you, Herbie, but it’d be a pointless exercise because I’d be completely outclassed by someone who, after all, has personal “experience of” independence movements!

    Just as a matter of interest though, Herbie, which are the independence movements you claim to have “personal experience of” (your post at 4.46pm)?

    Failure to inform might just lead readers to think that you were telling ….porkies. LOL

  38. “Vote #1 Free Scotland
    Free of England, London and Downing Street
    Free of external interference, mulicultural fantasies and Islamic infection
    Free of European carpet baggers
    Free of delusions of grandeaur
    Free”

    It’s this kind of bigoted and narrow-minded outlook that gives the yes campaign such a bad name.

  39. OK, habby.

    I’ll just note your reluctance to engage the argument, as per usual, and of course we can leave readers to judge as they see fit.

    Fine by me.

  40. “I myself believe Scotland’s independence is conducive to human evolution in a world now dominated by a weak, frivolous symmetry.”

    So how come they call it devolution then?

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 6:55 pm

    Daniel

    I wonder if Richard wasn’t spoofing….?

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 6:58 pm

    Herbie

    Yes indeed, note away and enjoy, you doughty experiencer of untold (and inidentified) independence movements! LOL

    Oink! Oink!

  43. Mark ‘The old form has vanished, replaced by a framework of greed, selfishness, competition and war. The center of this framework is the City of London, the laundry of commerce, a monolith of distorted power that has burned out the single market in an effort to support the British currency. Competitive challenges are becoming obsolescent such that market integration is championed by exchange, good-will trade and respect for dwindling resources.’

    A case in point was just illustrated on BBC London News ref Thames Water’s capital works and their intention to charge the customers for the cost. A multiplicity of companies lies behind Thames Water and the main shareholders are Macquairie Bank (Australia),China’s Investment Corporation, Abu Dhabi and other pension funds (foreign owned). Collectively these shareholders have taken £2bn in dividends since 2006. These dividends could be paying for renewal of the mains and sewerage systems and for the Thames relief tunnel.

    It was particularly galling to be reminded of the existence of the Metropolitan Water Authority, the publicly owned water and sewerage provider pre Thatcher.

    Coming shortly on iPlayer towards the end http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03yvtqk

    ‘Thames Water is regulated under the Water Industry Act 1991 and is owned by Kemble Water, a consortium formed in late 2006 by Australian-based Macquarie Group’s European Infrastructure Funds specifically for the purpose of purchasing Thames Water. Other large shareholders in recent years include: BT Pension Scheme (13%), the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority (9.9%) and the China Investment Corporation (9%).’
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Water

    Thames Water ‘customers’ including me. Our bills are going up with a bang.

  44. Farage and Clegg face to face on Sky News if anyone is interested.

  45. Disrupter, diverter, as per usual.

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 7:14 pm

    Mary writes:

    “It was particularly galling to be reminded of the existence of the Metropolitan Water Authority, the publicly owned water and sewerage provider pre Thatcher.”
    ___________________

    Erm, would that be the same Water Authority that spend decades NOT renewing London’s sewers, with the result that many of them are crumbling away fast?

    Surely not!

  47. As the methodology becomes more apparent, it is more amusing than porblematic. :)

  48. problematic..

  49. Habbabkuk, you are showing your historical ignorance. Herbie stood alongside Wallace at Stirling Bridge and later, with Gandhi, agitated against the British throughout the ‘Quit India’ movement. A leading Republican commander during the Troubles, in recent years he has offered his considerable experience in support of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Ba’athist regimes of Iraq and Syria, and lately the SNP.

  50. A node re Scotland resembling Moldova: “Good. Suits me.”.

    Have you thought about leafleting for the Yes campaign on this particular point, Node? I mean, it’s bound to be a winner with the electorate!

  51. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    Anon

    I stand abashed, discombobolated and yet seized with admiration. Admiration on the one hand for your historical grasp and detective skills, and on the other for Herbie’s drive, energy, commitment and, yes, courage. And also for his modesty – why, but for you, this blog and I would forever have remained in ignorance of Herbie’s personal “experience in independence movements”!

    Many thanks!

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 8:23 pm

    Old Metropolitan Water Authority (R.I.P.) : absurdly low prices; few sewer repairs despite no need to pay dividends to shareholders.

    New Thames Water : higher prices; pays shareholders (including your pension funds) dividends while at the same time putting billions into much-needed sewer repairs.

  53. Both painful and appalling.

  54. My piece on the rip off crowd at Thames Water seems to have been worthy of producing two inane responses which gives me the opportunity of providing further information.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/nov/10/utilities-water-bills

    There is a network of 47 active companies linked to Thames Water at RG18DB.

    http://companycheck.co.uk/search/results?SearchCompaniesForm%5Bname%5D=THAMES+WATER&yt0=

    ‘Oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.’
    Sir Walter Scott Marmion 1808

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 Mar, 2014 - 9:44 pm

    Mary

    Why a “rip-off crowd” and why was my post “inane”?

    You know as well as I do that water was fantastically underpriced (the water companies were public utilities and successive govts didn’t want to piss of voters) – which was one of the reasons why next to no money was spent on maintaining, renewing and upgrading crumbling sewer systems (many of which had been left untouched since the Victorian age).

    Sure the price has gone up since the 1980s – as has the price of everything else, and as have wages. And money is being invested in sewer infrastructure at long last. Fact.

  56. Anon 26 Mar, 2014 – 7:41 pm

    I answered your question but you didn’t answer mine. Here it is again:

    Do you approve of the UK spending so much on ‘defence’ when we can’t afford to maintain our infrastructure?

  57. Good to see you posting again so prolifically, Craig. Popping in to see what I’ve missed – plenty, it seems!

    Interesting to see Galloway come out so strongly against independence. I don’t follow what he does particularly closely, but like some here I have mixed views about him, right though he’s been on Iraq. It’s going to feel odd – for both him and the Establishment that despises him – to have so much now to agree about.

    I do think his argument is worth examining, though I am not sure “more of the same” is a good recipe for surviving neoliberalism (or representing Scotland well at the EU). But here it is (from the Guardian):

    Scotland’s presence in the union acts as a brake on the more swivel-eyed free-marketry that runs riot in the Conservative party, partly thanks to the 58 non-Tory MPs it sends to Westminster. If independence comes, what remains of the UK will face Tory government “in perpetuity” and be run on the basis of economic liberalism gone truly mad. The only way for its new neighbour to keep up will be to join in a race to the bottom – which, says Galloway, the SNP will be only too happy to do.

    For me, that’s an interesting view, even though I am minded to disagree with it. But I wonder, for folks here who believe the financial elite want to shift the UK towards an unfettered neoliberal economic model, would independence worsen austerity policy and widen the wealth gap in England? Indeed, if we think it might, would that be a reason to suggest that Scotland should remain in the union?

  58. When you guys are finished with your Forrest Gump impressions and bathos, any chance of addressing the issue.

    Here it is again.

    Whilst I wish the Scots well, I fear that absent a collapse in the UK, they will not be allowed to seccede other than with strong external support.

    At the moment that probably means the US or EU.

    As I’ve said before I don’t quite see why EU apparatchiks would not welcome the splitting of member states, since that increases central control of power, which is what they’re all about of course.

    ================================

    I suggested recently that habby may have worked at the EU. I’m now much more convinced that he’s former FCO. Definitely British. He’s admitted to drafting speeches and whatnot for the likes of Baroness Golly Gosh. Apparently he’s an expert at that. Would explain a lot too.

    I’m now wondering is he that other former UK ambassador. You know. The horrible one. And am amused by the idea that even he finds his blog so boring that he’s always over here.

  59. I have often wondered if he is Charles Crawford of Blogoir fame!

  60. Great minds, Mary. Great minds.

    You see, I think Craig knows habby. It was just an exchange they had once.

    Habby was up to his usual personalising diversionary tactics, people were rightly complaining and habby addressed Craig, asking him was he OK with his commenting here, and Craig came back with a kind of weary OK.

    There was just something a bit over familiar and presumptious about it, as if he already knew the answer.

    But yes. He’s got his own blog. It’s not very good. So he’s jealous of Craig and he’s over here trying to wreck poor old Craig’s blog.

    That’s what they’re like, these people. Always jealous of what the other chap’s got. Horrible, horrible people.

  61. Resident Dissident

    26 Mar, 2014 - 11:03 pm

    Just heard the first argument for Scottish Independence that gets anywhere near being convincing – George Galloway is against it, but reassured that Mr Goss is now on the opposite side of the debate.

    More seriously can anyone thing of a case where encouraging more nationalism rather than dampening down has ever been a force for good.

  62. So you and Andy finally made up? Congratulations!

  63. You can always say sorry.

  64. Hullo Jon…good to see ya still aroon…

    i can see some of your points… but –

    But I wonder, for folks here who believe the financial elite want to shift the UK towards an unfettered neoliberal economic model, would independence worsen austerity policy and widen the wealth gap in England? Indeed, if we think it might, would that be a reason to suggest that Scotland should remain in the union?

    i have wondered about this…how would the Elite allow it ( independence ) But the thing is…it aint for the Criminal Elite to Decide…. Rather the people of Scotland… Or Should Be. Obviously.

    Rd …Come on…is that not a daft Question….

    Perhaps a better question would be –

    ” can anyone think of a case where encouraging more nationalism rather than dampening down has ever been a force for good…. DEPENDING OF COURSE ON SIZE OF A NATION / ISLAND…

    But going back to your original Question…. whether it be a nation of just many hundreds… or just a few thousands…Yes i can think of a few examples.

  65. I’m Scottish (insofar as i was labelled thus at birth and i had no input on that).

    I’ve not really decided yet although,as a principle,i think all countries should have the right to self-determine thus i’m veeeeeering towards the Yes camp.

    I have one major worry though:

    If Scotland votes to seperate then for those who think Westminster has a big enough say presently it’s gonna get much worse after independence.

    It’s just that Scotland will be overrun by shadowy London spook types(moreso than it is already) seriously trying to destabilise and control.

    That worries me alot.

  66. @Jon 26 Mar, 2014 – 10:00 pm

    Hi Jon,

    Nice to hear from you.

    I have more time for Galloway than most on this blog. Sure I disagree with a lot of his ideas, but then again I’ve never found anybody that I’m in total agreement with. In fact I’ve never known any two people who totally agreed with each other.

    The world as presented by the MSM is a lie, an illusion created and maintained by clever, subtle people with powerful tools. There are probably enough clues in the public domain for an intelligent person to piece together the truth, but distinguishing all those clues from the lies, misinformation and false histories is practically impossible. My own awakening began about 20 years ago, and I thought then I had a pretty good idea of how it all worked. But 19 years ago I saw through more of the illusion and realised that the 20-year old me had been pretty naive. Then 18 years ago, I found out how little the 19-year-old really understood. And every year since more scales have fallen from my eyes, exposing more of my beliefs as conditioning, more of my ‘facts’ as lies, more of my ‘knowledge as disinformation.’ That process continues to this day, and I have no reason to believe I’ve reached the end of the journey. The logical inference is that some of my beliefs are incorrect. [yes, really!]

    All truthseekers are going through the same journey and even Galloway has to sift the wheat from the chaff. He undoubtedly has access to better sources of information than me, but he probably has less time and more people determinedly trying to mislead him. He and I and everybody else on this blog have spent our lives evolving our own world models to reconcile our own beliefs with optimum consistency …. and none of our models match. We’ve all taken a different path, have a different blend of beliefs, had a different set of lies slip past our guard. Nor is he, or I, or (sorry to have to say this) anyone else on this blog perfect. We all have our individual blend of hang-ups, vanities, weaknesses, blind-spots.

    If we’re only going to respect someone who is omniscient and perfect, forget politics, try religion.

    I disagree with him about Scottish Independence – he’s spent most of his life in politics, his perspective is from Westminster. His argument is bad psychology and misses the point when he tells Scots that they shouldn’t want an Edinburgh parliament because of the detrimental effect it will have on Westminster party politics. As to the knock-on effect on Scotland of an eternal Tory Government in the rest of the UK, I believe he is ignoring the requirement of the establishment to preserve the illusion of democracy in our land. I bet that no party will ever rule Westminster for more than two terms in my lifetime – just as it has always been. And anyway, hasn’t his doom and gloom prediction “of economic liberalism gone truly mad” been a reality for 2 decades?

    So I disagree with some of his opinions, big deal, I still respect him hugely. He fights and sacrifices himself for causes which I believe in but don’t have the strength of character to do myself. He’s a Socialist, tireless supporter of Palestine, peace campaigner, and champion of the underdog. That’s good enough for me. He’s a far better man than his detractors on this blog. For all his talk, he walks the walk too.

    George, Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability.

  67. BrianFujisan

    27 Mar, 2014 - 1:59 am

    Stunning Piece of Thought A Node

    I will never forget his (GG) spanking of the Senate re Iraq sanctions…

    but i wish he’d Drop the God willing stuff… just gives his detractors amo.

    anyhoo…cheers for that A Node

  68. Jon – The waves of damaging economy in any situation are a potent force and who can ignore this incestuous lure.

    I wonder thinking in this way do we not buy into the greed, selfishness and ‘be happy’ black hole of the financially elite?

  69. @ Herbie (26 Mar, 2014 – 4:46 pm)

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/march/25/meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev.aspx

    That is a great article on Ron Paul’s site, it bears reposting.

    I do believe the movement for Scotland’s Independence is truly endogenous, all the dirty tricks and outside interference are coming from the establishment in support of the No camp. Tonight’s (Mis)Reporting Scotland had the BBC again, for the nth time, bigging-up predictable and disingenuous ‘sky will fall in’ economic scares and ‘warnings’ from the CBI. The details were fuzzy, it just seemed a made up story, an anti-independence screed fabricated on the spot as a time-filler before yet more effing football ‘news’ which predominates the whole program. There is a serious failure here to provide any actual real news, the ITV companies have been castigated for this, especially Scottish TV; in the case of Border TV there’s no need for any media study there, there might as well be no referendum taking place, its flagship ‘Lookaround’ program treats its viewers as apolitical cretins, with paint drying somewhere on the Isle of Man or a lost wheel-trim in Kendal, as exciting or controversial as it gets. The BBC however must somewhere in its charter have a stated duty to provide actual news. It wasn’t like this on STV in days of John Toye or of ‘What’s Your Problem’.

    BBC Scotland tonight also downplaying shady looking forced evictions, making it seem as if the house demolitions for the Commonwealth Games have affected just one brave woman who’s portrayed as eccentric standing up to them, but whole streets and districts of once fine imposing red-sandstone tenements, that define Glasgow, are being demolished wholesale, thousands cleared from properties which have been purposefully unmaintained and let fall into rack and ruin. Hardly anyone is aware that in a city with acute housing shortages the vast number of ‘athletes village’ houses have been constructed with no kitchens, which after the games, would be better demolished themselves as no amount of retro-fitting can tack on kitchens to rabbit-hutch never designed to have any from the outset.

    I think the BBC have over-reached in their dishonesty and half-truths, the people aren’t having it, not for a long time and never again, certainly the BBC will suffer, they are amongst the enemies within. As for fucking CBI -Boycotting these behemoths and dinosaurs must be the only way to hit back, shaming them won’t penetrate their thick skins. Big companies such as BAe are hard for consumer-based actions to target, firmly attached to the public funding teat through penetration of government itself and are effectively remote-control[l]ed arms of Westminster, we don’t many of us shop for aero-engines or frigates or fighter planes or find supporters amongst the foreign despots they arm to the hilt. The only low-hanging fruit might be BP, but the CBI has many smaller fish too. There doesn’t seem much cohesion of diaspora Scots that could have significant impact abroad, but memories are long and CBI members party to this attempted interference in Scottish politics might take note, there might be not long till the referendum, but there’s a long time, the whole future to consider after it.

  70. http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/business-for-scotland-response-to-cbi-release/

    “Today’s release from the CBI in London is an entirely one-sided misrepresentation of the business and economic evidence concerning a vote for Scottish independence. Business for Scotland – which has a membership of over 1,600 Scottish businesspeople – considers that Scotland will be better off financially with the full economic powers of independence.”

    Seems the CBI is reticent about publishing its membership list, I expect many are glad to remain in the shadows, you would think them an overtly public organisation but are a private company, conspiracy, cartel and price-fixers and engaged in such dirty tricks as employee and union activist blacklists, even with our woeful state broadcaster showing their interminably dull conferences of shiny-suited spivs, its hard to find there any respectability or relevance, the predominance of titled ‘Lords’, CBEs and other pretend titles doesn’t hide, it confirms that they’re really Crime Incorporated. Does anyone have a comprehensive list, it’s almost as shady as the mysterious Tory-supporting Midlands Industrial Council (MIC). I know Sainsburys are amongst them but probably most other UK-owned retailers are too.

    Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS), not the last but the first resort.

  71. Good to see true Liberals still support “Home Rule”. It was after all a Liberal mantra for many years.
    An interesting link on Liberals in Scotland
    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/8918-illiberal-non-democrats

  72. A Node

    Brilliant post. Thank you for that. I have made a similar journey. I’d put John Pilger alongside George Galloway.

  73. I abhor his indy fathead venality.

  74. “Seems the CBI is reticent about publishing its membership list,”

    Not half as reticent as Salmond is about publishing the budget deficit forecast.

  75. Please God. Not another Western warmonger to visit the Pope.

    ZBC said Obomber hoped to pick up some shine from the contact as his ratings are very low. Wonder why that is!

    Obama to meet Pope during Rome visit
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26761181

  76. Not forgetting GG’s overland relief convoys to Gaza. Such energy and commitment.

    I remember him being attacked on Sky News by one of the presenters, Anna Botting whom I actually like. Her attack was most likely scripted as he is always attacked by the corporate media. He gave as good as he got. Here –

    George Galloway on Sky News with Anna Botting
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMF1G-IgYj8

    Wonderful.

    Sky had another go later that year.

    George Galloway Smashes Sky PART DOUX
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXPzMssNSis

    His best ever performance at the US Senate Committee.

    George Galloway BLISTERING ATTACK on the U.S. SENATE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4LDQixpCa8

    The list is endless in the RH column on You Tube.

  77. If anyone is the least bit interested. What a line up. Wasn’t the ginger in Simply Red Cherie’s fave?

    ‘BBC Question Time will broadcast from Brighton today.

    It will be the first time the political panel show has been filmed in the city since 2012.

    On the panel for the weekly debate programme will be Conservative MP for Putney Justine Greening, Labour MP Diane Abbott, Roger Helmer UKIP MEP for the East Midlands, pop singer and songwriter Mick Hucknall and chief executive of clothing retailer Next, Simon Wolfson.

    It will be shown on BBC1 from 10.35pm.’

    Brighton Argus

    ~~

    A reminder who Hucknall is!
    http://extremelisteningmode.com/2008/05/07/fantastic-news-mick-hucknalls-back/

  78. Andy Myles continued
    : “As a liberal, I believe that sovereignty starts with the people and is passed upwards. Devolution is, on the other hand, about sovereignty being passed downwards”

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

    Tax havens need to be addressed and postal coded.

  79. Let me second all the thanks A Node for thoughts on Galloway, and special thanks too for Tony M, for his Ron Paul link. I have argued, badly it would seem from the number of converts, that the so-called popular rising was a US initiative, with links to those organisations like Swedbank, NATO, Chatham House that openly sponsored Yatsenyuk. The Ron Paul article tells how a new media outlet played its part. Yesterday we learnt that 4 main Russian TV stations had been stopped from broadcasting in this new ‘democracy’.

    “Revolution on Demand

    Arriving in the Ukrainian capital on August 3, Pyatt almost immediately authorized a grant for an online television outlet called Hromadske.TV, which would prove essential to building the Euromaidan street demonstrations against Yanukovych. The grant was only $43,737, with an additional $4,796 by November 13. Just enough to buy the modest equipment the project needed.

    Many of Hromadske’s journalists had worked in the past with American benefactors. Editor-in-chief Roman Skrypin was a frequent contributor to Washington’s Radio Free Europe / Radio Libertyand the US-funded Ukrayinska Pravda. In 2004, he had helped create Channel 5 television, which played a major role in the Orange Revolution that the US and its European allies masterminded in 2004.

    Skrypin had already gotten $10,560 from George Soros’s International Renaissance Foundation (IRF), which came as a recommendation to Pyatt. Sometime between December and the following April, IRF would give Hromadske another $19,183.

    Hromadske’s biggest funding in that period came from the Embassy of the Netherlands, which gave a generous $95,168. As a departing US envoy to the Hague said in a secret cable that Wikileaks later made public, “Dutch pragmatism and our similar world-views make the Netherlands fertile ground for initiatives others in Europe might be reluctant, at least initially, to embrace.”

    For Pyatt, the payoff came on November 21, when President Yanukovych pulled back from an Association Agreement with the European Union. Within hours Hromadske.TV went online and one of its journalists set the spark that brought Yanukovych down.”

  80. doug scorgie

    27 Mar, 2014 - 9:10 am

    And its not even April 1st yet!

    “Male university students in North Korea are now required to get the same haircut as their leader Kim Jong-un, it is reported.”

    “It seems that haircuts have been state-approved in North Korea for some time – until now people were reportedly only allowed to choose from 18 styles for women and 10 for men. Earlier, North Korea’s state TV launched a campaign against long hair, called “Let us trim our hair in accordance with the Socialist lifestyle”.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26747649

  81. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 9:28 am

    “Let us trim our hair in accordance with the Socialist lifestyle”.

    More cuts, eh? Remind you of someone else’s lifestyle? I wish the little bastard would stop calling what he does Socialism, though.

  82. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 9:40 am

    Re. Galloway’s Gaza relief convoy – yes a convoy arrived, and yes it probably did some good, and I’m not disputing that. But did it do as much good as it claimed, and how much of the cost was directly raised by Galloway’s organisation? The Charity Commission’s investigation continues…

    http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/content/16661/charity_commission_removes_galloway_spokesman_from_order_requiring_viva_palestina_to_file_accounts

    This is a thorny topic,and care in steering between Galloway’s supporters and some poisonous Israeli-BICOM propaganda is strongly advised.

    In terms of lasting advantage to the causes he supports (and I often support), I think GG is a bit of a liability, actually.

  83. An Australian reporter here in the mould of John Pilger.

    Mrs Weiss is lovely – “this land was promised to the Jewish nation by God.” No argument. She acknowledges that there was another people on the land – a difference from the PR statement of Golda Mwir who said “A land without people, for a people without land.” Always thought that slogan came from Bernays or similar.

    What hateful people. Devils, and the countless world leaders who support them are devils too.

    Stone Cold Justice Four Corners
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz8_qzdDdM4#t=418

    Published on 10 Feb 2014

    The Israeli army is both respected and feared as a fighting force. But now the country’s military is facing a backlash at home and abroad for its treatment of children in the West Bank, occupied territory.

    Coming up, a joint investigation by Four Corners and The Australian newspaper reveals evidence that shows the army is targeting Palestinian boys for arrest and detention. Reporter John Lyons travels to the West Bank to hear the story of children who claim they have been taken into custody, ruthlessly questioned and then allegedly forced to sign confessions before being taken to court for sentencing.

    He meets Australian lawyer Gerard Horton, who’s trying to help the boys who are arrested, and talks to senior Israeli officials to examine what’s driving the army’s strategy.

    The program focuses on the stories of three boys. In two cases the army came for the children in the middle of the night, before taking them to unknown locations where they are questioned. A mother of one of the boys described the scene.

    ~~~

    ‘This is a thorny topic,and care in steering between Galloway’s supporters and some poisonous Israeli-BICOM propaganda is strongly advised.’

    So why raise it? Ammo for the t—-s. I agree there about BICOM. The CC has its chairman William Shawcross, a Zionist supporter. How about the CST trustees being given anonymity by the CC. Why?

  84. John Goss: The Ron Paul link was Herbie’s originally. The sums from the ebay/paypal guy who blocked Wikileaks from Paypal and is backing Greenwald’s new news venture are greater. I think most of the estimated $5billion the US.gov pissed through various intermediaries has went on bribes.

    Net nanny mode: Topic is drifting, we’re still on the first page.

  85. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 10:02 am

    “So why raise it?”

    Why not? Don’t you like a discussion to represent differing viewpoints? Maybe “thorny” is what put you off? You think GG is cool, I think he’s a bit of a bags. Discuss.

    And your question is one I have wanted to ask you, repeatedly, but usually managed to stop myself, as some wholly irrelevant interjection, usually C&P’d from the MSM, is yet again hurled into the middle of a discussion about something else. Sorry, but you asked.

  86. All the parts the convoy visited, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, thereafter experienced western-backed Arab Springs installing extremists. Wheels within wheels.

  87. I’ll clarify that:

    While there will have been many with a sincere desire to help the trapped, starved people of Gaza/Palestine involved, the convoy will/may have been used by others for other purposes

  88. Mud sticks. And a lot has been thrown at Galloway. By whom? Work it out.

  89. “It’s this kind of bigoted and narrow-minded outlook that gives the yes campaign such a bad name.”

    It’s this kind of ignorant and superficial thinking that gives the liberal establishment a bad name.

  90. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:05 pm

    No smoke without fire. And I smell burning…

    Picture, if youse will, a Tory MP being paid regularly by a PR firm:

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10218/george_galloway/bradford_west

    A Tory MP with this voting record –

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10218/george_galloway/bradford_west

    And a Tory MP with this record (scroll down – no. 622) of responding to constituents’ letters.

    Imagine what you would say about such a Tory MP. Or I can do that for you if you have trouble with that.

  91. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:07 pm

    Sorry, this link for GG’s concerned response to the people who voted for him –

    https://www.writetothem.com/stats/2008/mps

  92. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:08 pm

    *Respect*

  93. Komodo I neither think GG is cool or hot. Just that he gets a hard time of it from the media and others.

    If you are referring to my posting of that Stone Cold video, I see it as relevant to Galloway and to my concern for the Palestinians. Surely I am free to post Craig and the moderators permitting. You got in a huff with me before for some reason and went off in high dudgeon.

    Tony M I cannot see that a convoy of vehicles containing aid had any effect on Western initiated uprisings in North African countries bordering the Mediterranean. One of the convoys was delayed but I cannot recall at which border along the route.

  94. Habba 9-44 pm:

    The billions that you say are put into ‘much needed sewer repairs’ are a fantasy and with you being so well informed, will know this. Reporting on expected maintenance costs, the water companies have estimated sewers to last for an average 280 years and in one calculation as much as a 1000 years. Water UK estimated that many sewers have an asset life of less than 100 years and few, if any have lasted that long.
    Sewage repairs and maintenance activities are forecast and submitted as actual costs without ever being completed, which leaves more to be paid out in dividends, leaving crumbling pipes supplying consumers (as well as obscenely inflated water bills).
    The privatisation of water, just like all the other sell off’s were a fraud enforced on the people of this country to make the wealthy even wealthier and to get more money out of bill payers, who have had no choice but to pay up. A perfect year on year scam that none of us can escape.

  95. Further, as I have just read your earlier one. I looked up Molucca Media Ltd if that is what is referred to. It is his own company. What’s wrong with that? The BBC presenters do it, so do some pocket pols. Why is he not allowed to join. He is not stupid.

    He appears to be totally open about his receipts.

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07953031/MOLUCCA-MEDIA-LIMITED/directors-shareholders

  96. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:41 pm

    I wasn’t referring to the video. I was referring to “So why raise it?”.

    My position is that, ever since the Mariam Appeal case (still rumbling on – http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/governance/news/content/17195/commission_wins_foi_exemption_over_mariam_appeal_in_supreme_court_but_faces_fresh_legal_challenge ), the media are right to take an interest in Galloway.

    The man sought election repeatedly, and got it in Bradford. An MP, more than anyone else, should IMO have the interests of his own country, and of his constituents, in mind. I’m sufficiently old fashioned to think that regularly being paid by foreign media to advance the propaganda of foreign countries is not a legitimate occupation for an MP, particularly one whose day job appears to suffer markedly as a consequence. But take comfort – I feel the same way about Atlanticist Tories.

  97. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:45 pm

    Mary, I haven’t time to trawl for one of yours on the subject of troughing Tories with their own companies, but I think a Tory MP with his own PR company, paid to work for (say) the US and Israel* and neglecting his constituents, might attract your interest….

    *rather than Russia and Iran – to spell it out.

  98. YouKnowMyName

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:47 pm

    The Scottish Herald declares Farage the winner after yesterdays Clegg debate, where Scottish independence was hardly mentioned,
    but the Telegraph talks madly about an EU assisted Coup in Kiev! Surely this is OFF TOPIC for MSM?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10726289/Nick-Clegg-Nigel-Farage-is-siding-with-Vladimir-Putin.html
    Quote”Mr Clegg described Mr Farage’s comments as “insulting” and “extreme”.
    The Deputy Prime Minister told LBC Radio: “I was extraordinarily surprised – if not shocked – that he agrees with Vladimir Putin. To somehow suggest that because of Nigel Farage’s loathing of the European Union – that is the reason why Ukrainian protesters sought to reclaim their own freedom and their own country on the streets of Kiev. I just think it’s really insulting to those people in Kiev who were simply standing up for values that we should share and support.
    “For Nigel Farage to side with Vladimir Putin – well, he’ll have to explain why he did that. I was really astounded he did so.”
    Mr Clegg added: “It shows quite how extreme people like Nigel Farage can be when their loathing of the European Union becomes so all-consuming that they even end up siding with Vladimir Putin in order to make their point.
    “And to suggest that it’s somehow the European Union’s fault that the Ukrainian people rose up as many did on the streets of Kiev against their government…I just think is such a perverse way of looking at things.””

    If MSM prints these opinions over the forthcoming May EP elections then just what is going to happen in the actual Scottish Devo debate is unfathomable….though If I had to guess, I’d bet that Alex Salmond will be accused of siding with North Korea

  99. Ba'al Zevul (Whose Dog Are You?)

    27 Mar, 2014 - 12:56 pm

    I’d bet that Alex Salmond will be accused of siding with North Korea

    By Galloway?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/10/george-galloway-north-korea-has-innocent-culture_n_3050682.html

  100. “It’s this kind of ignorant and superficial thinking that gives the liberal establishment a bad name.”

    Fred had you down to a tee when he said the following:

    “…..Like I said a despicable nasty little shit, Salmond’s little Blackshrt. You confirm everything I have said about Nationalists and Nationalism. History has shown them to be thugs and bullies and it doesn’t seem the SNP can claim to be any dfferent.

    Now crawl back into the hole you crawled out of, probably Salmond’s arsehole, you slimy little turd.”

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/10/the-theatre-of-war/

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