So Soon Forgotten

by craig on July 9, 2014 3:33 pm in Uncategorized

The BBC has … started its news broadcast as usual from Ashkelon in Israel, highlighting rocket attacks on Israel. There is no mention on the BBC – there has never been any mention on the BBC, or anywhere in the Western mainstream media – that for at least 4,000 years Ashkelon was an Arab town, until in 1948 the entire, Arab population of 12,000 was driven out by armed force, many being massacred. Doubtless some older inhabitants of Gaza are refugees whose home is Ashkelon.

Israel is exercising its right of self-defence in precisely the same sense that Hitler was exercising the right of self-defence in Normandy in 1944 – ie not at all. Why the world puts up with this blatant ethnic cleansing and prolonged, agonizing genocide of the Palestinian people, I have no idea. It is not just about bombs and rockets and deaths now. It is about the shepherds being pushed out of their village in 2012 as part of the same process as the massacre of Ashkelon in 1948, all a process of genocide of the Palestinians in which Obama, Clinton, Cameron and Hague, as two whole generations of western politicians before them, are actively complicit.

I blogged this on 21 November 2012. Today every single BBC News bulletin leads with precisely the same trick, from precisely the same stolen Arab village. There is evidently a BBC policy to bias coverage of massacre in Gaza by basing it in the stolen town of Ashkelon. Every single BBC news programme is led by a report of the terror of people in Ashkelon at the rocket attacks which have killed and maimed – precisely nobody. There is then a brief “balancing” mention of the continual bombing of Gaza, which sometimes does and sometimes does not mention that at least 25 people have been killed, and hundreds maimed. Of the five reports I have seen, not one has mentioned that many of the Palestinian dead are women and children (although I once saw it on the strapline underneath). Rather the BBC says that “the Israeli government states it is targeting militants and weapons factories”.

The time given to the attacks on Palestine is abut 25% of that given to the rocket attacks on Israel. The coverage is also very different – we see human interest coverage of Israelis hiding from rockets in cafes. There is nothing remotely similar of the Palestinians under infinitely more deadly attack. There was one showing of funeral footage from Gaza, not of any of the women or children killed but of someone the BBC told us was simply a “militant”.

It is so blatant it is absolutely sickening. There are decent people I know in the BBC. Why do they put up with this?

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  1. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    “There was one showing of funeral footage from Ghana,..”
    _________

    Typo : Gaza.

    I may (or not) make some comments later.

  2. Thanks, corrected

  3. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 3:50 pm

    43 dead as reported by RTE in last half hour, Craig. Thanks for putting this up.

    No-one dead in Israel yet, though some play has been made of someone’s wedding being interrupted.

    And no comment from the Quartet representative yet. Despite (noting his professed desire to enhance the Palestinian economy) Israel’s increased constraints on what can be let into Gaza. Like, not fuel. Or the continuing export ban.

  4. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 4:04 pm

    There are decent people I know in the BBC. Why do they put up with this?

    Because decent people are rigorously excluded from making policy, perhaps.

    Relevant, I think. You may not like this messenger, but the facts check out-

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/apologists-israel-take-top-posts-bbc/12395

    James Harding, Director of News and Current Affairs, on £340K + exes.

  5. Gaza Poem

    Locked in,
    Trapped and herded,
    A captive target tightens
    Beneath the Cruellest Storm.
    Death raining down
    From land sea and sky,
    Raking the jailed, dead.

  6. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 4:16 pm

    There is, I think, another dimension to this. ISIS are on the Iraq-Jordan border, and have been reported as intending to include Jordan in their area of operations. Israel may have in mind reducing the problem of Palestinian militancy before the shitstorm hits its east side. There may be some very strange alliances made, and I wouldn’t altogether rule out Hizb’ullah joining in.

  7. “CFI (Conservative Friends of Israel) works to promote its twin aims of supporting Israel and promoting Conservatism. With close to 2,000 activists as members – alongside 80% of Tory MPs – CFI is active at every level of the Party.
    http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/AboutCFI/Whatwedo/

    A list of Labour Friends of Israel
    http://www.lfi.org.uk/lfi-supporters-in-parliament/

    Even though Ed Miliband’s name is not on that list he still has an interest:
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/119916/miliband-warms-hearts-labour-friends

    The BBC is the British State Broadcaster. It’s just following the line set by the Government and Opposition.

  8. Taub was on BBC News earlier with that strange whining voice. Usual stuff. ‘If Hamas won’t stop, we will make them.’ He said it with menace.

    Then Manuel Hassassian the Palestinian Ambassador came on mucg to my surprise. Much more polished and confident than in his earlier days. He would not be put off by the presenter Ms Gosling (husband Craig Oliver – Coulson’s replacement at No 10) and her repetitions about the rockets. He would only deal with the occupation and the daily oppression of 4.8m Palestinians. Good for him. Fluent too which helps as the BBC are inclined to have Palestinian spokespersons on whose English cannot be easily understood.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Hassassian

    Susan Abulhawa got the ‘treatment’ from the Sky presenter this morning. She was hardly allowed to say anything without interruptions. She is a lovely woman. I have met her. She does a lot for the Palestinian cause in and from America.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Abulhawa

    No links and not on iPlayer of course.

  9. Pierluigi Vernetto

    9 Jul, 2014 - 4:27 pm

    Yes and I also believe that Hamas must be either very stupid or very… Israeli Agents by sending always those harmless rockets who justify retaliation from Israel.

    Besides not a single time I’ve heard reports of rocket launchers being hit, despite all the satellite coverage which should make it very easy to spot.

    But that’s it, no investigation at all is done on the identity and nature of those attackers. The real terrorists are never caught by fire, only harmless civilians or political leaders.

  10. Miliband has more than an interest in Zionist Israel Doug the Dog. Listen to what he had to say on his recent visit there with his wife.

    I think he is bound to be a member of LFoI.

    The LDs have such a grouping too. There is a very fervent vice president called Monroe Palmer, now elevated to the peerage!

    http://ldfi.org.uk/
    http://ldfi.org.uk/the-committee/

    Are they flames or feathers coming out of the star of David? LOL

  11. First comment.

    ‘I may (or not) make some comments later.’

    Stating the obvious there!

  12. …she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening. The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, ‘just to keep people frightened’. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him.

    George Orwell 1984 Chapter 2

  13. Pierluigi

    I agree it is an utterly stupid tactic by Hamas. But I think the simplest explanation is that, like almost all political “leaders”, they are more interested in enhancing their own power than doing good for the ordinary people.

  14. As Taub said.

    9 July 2014
    Israel ‘to intensify Gaza attacks’

    Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to “further intensify attacks on Hamas” in the Gaza Strip after talks with his defence chiefs.

    He said the Palestinian militants would “pay a heavy price” for their rocket attacks on Israel.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28233135

  15. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 4:58 pm

    Well, there is some awareness in the Israeli press…. http://www.jta.org/2014/07/08/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/beating-of-palestinian-american-teen-another-black-eye-for-israel

    Disproportionate Gaza retribution is above the parapet in the US for once as the boy was a US citizen.

  16. Beyond odious as the Israeli regime is, the lack of action or meaningful support from fellow Muslims in the Middle East (with the exception for example of Hezbollah) and elsewhere is nauseating. If the Arab (Islamic) world really wanted an end to the suffering inflicted on the benighted Palestinians, for whom they pledge such “sympathy” they could make it happen, but the horrible bastards want to preserve their own dynastic heritage and will do anything for anyone to keep themselves and their inbred spawn in power for the rest of time. Deeply depressing.

  17. “Israel may have in mind reducing the problem of Palestinian militancy before the shitstorm hits its east side. There may be some very strange alliances made, and I wouldn’t altogether rule out Hizb’ullah joining in”

    Shouldn’t rule out the ISIS/Israel alliance either.

  18. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 5:12 pm

    MJ; ISIS or ISIL may be largely responsible and Palestians are Sunni.

    http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2014/07/isis-in-gaza-hamas-losing-control.html

    “Hamas seems to be losing control of the dozens of terror cells in the Gaza Strip.”

  19. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 5:14 pm

    Craig

    “I agree it is an utterly stupid tactic by Hamas. But I think the simplest explanation is that, like almost all political “leaders”, they are more interested in enhancing their own power than doing good for the ordinary people.”
    ________________

    I’d agree with both of your points.

    Since attention has switched from the previous thread to this new one, perhaps I might be allowed to re-post a comment I made on the previous one, ie:

    “Is it conceivable that Hamas, which controls Gaza, might think it would be a good idea to ensure that rockets are not fired towards Israel?

    Which would presumably make it more difficult for Israel to justify “pounding” Gaza?

    I think the answer must be yes.

    Given that

    -these rocket attacks are of no military value (we are continually being told that they are crude home-made devices which tend to land in the desert and cause no Israeli casualties)

    – Hamas or whoever launches them should by now know that such firings invite stern reprisals

    is it conceivable that they continue to be fired from time to time precisely in order to invite military reprisals as a means of keeping tensions high?

    That would be very callous and cynical of Hamas, wouldn’t it.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Perhaps more later if Mary (cf. 16h33) will allow it.

  20. Perhaps Elm House and the shameful failure of western ‘free’ press coverage of israeli atrocities are not entirely unrelated.

  21. We all, not just good people at the BBC, put up with this crap because we have found no way to stop it.

    Assassinations, covert operations, ‘false flag’ missions, man-made disasters and the like go on unabated because we have no way to stop them, no matter how much we try by complaining.

  22. From within the belly of the beast.

    Cultures of Hate
    Israelis, not Palestinians, Excel at Vengeance

    by Jonathan Cook / July 9th, 201

    Shock and anger have engulfed Israeli and Palestinian societies since they learnt last week of the barbarous murder of children from their communities. Hours after three Israeli teenagers’ bodies were located, long after their abduction, a Palestinian youth, Mohammed Abu Khdeir, was kidnapped, beaten and burnt to death, apparently as revenge.

    These horrifying events should serve as a lesson in the obscene futility of vengeance. As a relative of one of the murdered children observed: “There is no difference between blood and blood.”

    Sadly, that was not the message implicit in much of last week’s coverage. On social media, a juxtaposition of pictures from the same day’s New York Times showed how easy it is to forget not only that our blood is the same but that grief is too.

    [..]
    As Human Rights Watch warned, Israel’s recent actions – mass arrests; armed raids; the killing of Palestinians, including minors; lockdowns of cities, house demolitions; and air strikes – amounted to “collective punishment”, international law’s euphemism for revenge, against Palestinians.

    In the face of the enduring violence of Israel’s occupation, and the licence it provides soldiers to humiliate and oppress, ordinary Palestinians have a stark choice: to submit or resist. Ordinary Israelis, on the other hand, do not need to seek revenge on their own account. The Israeli state, military and courts are there every day doing it for them.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/07/cultures-of-hate/

    Jonathan Cook, based in Nazareth, Israel is a winner of the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Pluto Press) and Disappearing Palestine: Israel’s Experiments in Human Despair (Zed Books). Read other articles by Jonathan, or visit Jonathan’s website. http://www.jonathan-cook.net/

  23. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    Mary

    “Jonathan Cook, based in Nazareth, Israel is a winner of the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Pluto Press) and Disappearing Palestine: Israel’s Experiments in Human Despair (Zed Books). Read other articles by Jonathan, or visit Jonathan’s website.”
    ____________________

    This comment is in no way meant to detract from Jonathan Cook’s merits as a journalist, but I do note that he is based in the occupied West Bank and cannot help wondering whether he would be free to write his books and articles and still remain alive and well if he were writing about Russian activities in Dagestan and Chechniya from a Russian town situated in close proximity to those two republics.

    (Yes, I know this is a long shot and barely on topic – but no less so than Notmyrealname’s comment at 17h30, above).

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 6:00 pm

    Alex (17h03)

    That is a fair comment but you err in not including other Arab regimes (other than the monarchies) in your condemnation.

    Must I once again – sigh! – remind readers of the fact that Jordan was happy to hold on to the West Bank from 1949 until 1967 instead of assisting in bronging about the creation of a Palestinian state?

  25. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 6:02 pm

    Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies, of course.

  26. Petitioning BBC Director of News and Current Affairs James Harding and Colleagues

    Highlight the over 1,500 Palestinian Children Killed by Israeli ‘Defence’ Force since 2000, and Restraint and Peacemaking rather than Condoning ‘Inevitable’ Collective Death Sentence!

    An Eye for an Eye and the Whole World will be Blind.

    BBC – British Establishment-Serving Media – loves to tell us how balanced and meticulous at seeking out truth it is. But for those willing to look at the facts and statistics – not made readily available on BBC – the favourable bias afforded to the Israeli government and military is astounding and sickening.

    The recent killings of the three Israeli children are horrific, whoever is proven to be responsible, and should in any sane and fair news provider prompt a balanced look at the history of killings on both sides and a concerted effort to highlight the possible paths to peace available.

    Instead the BBC stands once again firmly on the side of Israeli militarism, which is promising violent retribution, and has failed to highlight the herd of elephants in the newsroom: over 1,500 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli attacks since 2000, 1 Palestinian child killed every 3 days, yet Israel with BBC support still places itself in the role of the unique victim in BBC and mainstream reporting!

    /..
    https://www.change.org/petitions/bbc-director-of-news-and-current-affairs-james-harding-and-colleagues-highlight-the-over-1-500-palestinian-children-killed-by-israeli-defence-force-since-2000-and-restraint-and-peacemaking-rather-than-condoning-inevitable-collective-death-sentence

  27. Jonathan Cook married a Palestinian. Find out what life is like in Nazareth. Write to him.

    ~~~

    Ten bloody years.

    In the SpotlIght: 10 Years since the International Court of Justice (ICJ) Advisory Opinion | July 2014

    Highlights

    On 9 July 2004, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) issued an Advisory Opinion on the Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the occupied Palestinian territory. The ICJ stated that the sections of the Barrier route which run inside the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, together with the associated gate and permit regime, violated Israel’s obligations under international law, and should be dismantled.

    Ten years on, 62 per cent of the Barrier has been constructed, including 200 kilometres since the ICJ Advisory Opinion. This report summarizes the continuing humanitarian impact of the Barrier on Palestinian rural and urban communities.

    http://www.ochaopt.org/

    Complete disregard by Israel for any laws, international or otherwise.

  28. Mary – An Eye for an Eye and the Whole World will be Blind.

    An Eye for an Eye is actually an act of restraint – someone takes your eye, you take theirs. But you don’t take two eyes, or a leg or kill them. Would that the Israelis practised an eye for an eye.

    They wouldn’t be killing dozens of Palestinians when recent Gaza rockets haven’t killed anyone. Not that the BBC mentioned that fact. Or the word “occupation” when interviewing the Israeli ambassadeur this morning.

    (BTW Turning the other cheek isn’t what people think it is either. It was a slight or insult.)

  29. I don’t have a TV so I went along to the BBC web site to see what all the fuss is about.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28230391

    Looked factual to me, makes it clear that the rackets are in response to Israeli air attacks.

  30. Sorry, but the Beeb is a cesspit of symbiosis between the cunning Yentobs and the militant Boadens. Both evil forces scratching each others backs (and more). How the Wolf Blitzers and Anderson Coopers get away with shamelessly mouthing ludicrous deceit and illogical dershowitzery at every breath may only be explained as occultic – even satanic. At this rate we will all end up being like the “Kardashian” zombies across the pond, and we havent even started being TSA groped yet ! The Bolsheviks are upon us.

  31. Habbabkuk, 6:02 pm:

    “Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies, of course”

    Yes, “our side”.

    This is why I cannot be proud to be British, and cannot join you in your “Life is Good”.

  32. It is antisemitic to mention the Palestinian dead were women and children.
    It is antisemitic to mention every Jewish only town, city and villiage in Israel was once a Arab town, city or villiage that had all its people killed or expelled.
    That is why the BBC don’t say it.

  33. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:13 pm

    Clark

    “Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies, of course”
    _______________

    That was a clarification of my post at 18h00, which was itself a response to Alex at 17h03 – read both carefully, Clark. I think you’ve misunderstood something.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “This is why I cannot be proud to be British, and cannot join you in your “Life is Good”.”
    _________________

    “Life is good” flows from your personal circumstances and, more importantly, from your personal outlook and is unconnected (in any way that I can see) with your nationality. Why, then, do you link the two things?

  34. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:16 pm

    Onan ( + Moderator)

    Are you the White Knight (and other, subsequent handles) who was banned from here for anti-Semitism (“dershowitzery”, etc…)?

  35. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:17 pm

    Yesterdays magnificent &-1 end to the Brazilian ‘fotbal do bono’ in favour of the german total football approach played here in Europe will rejuvenate team football.

    German players, as individuals, are not football stars who can change the fortune’s of one or other club, but as a team playing together they are absolutely lethal.

    Brazil played lacklustre and without any ideas, they deserved the score. That said it was also good to see the humiliation shown by the German players afterwards in consoling their Brazilian opponents.

    Much thanks must go to the Brazilian who applauded the excellent game Germany played.
    Whether its Holland or Argentina, they best watch out cause this ‘team’ does not want to loose now. My money is on Germany.

  36. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:18 pm

    7-1 it should be.

  37. Yesterday I linked to the testimony of a senior former AlQaida activist against Israel’s responsibility for the terror groups including ISIS and others in Syria.
    http://counterinformation.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/obama-regimes-support-of-al-qaeda-and-isis/

    No-one has commented on that link, even though as a criticism of the leaders of Al Qaida and the whole brutality of the war in Syria and Pakistan/Afghanistan it is one of the most significant breakthroughs against Israeli world-wide terror.

    What is happening in Gaza is terrible, but a shadow of what has been happening at the hands of Israeli terrorism on the MUslim populations elsewhere in recent years.

    Are you still all blinking after the rabbit hole? How can the light that burned so brightly. Suddenly burn so pale? Senior
    Muslims are starting to speak against the sulphuric acid of Israeli, Pakistani, Libyan etc and Saudi terror in Syria.

  38. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    Mary

    “Jonathan Cook married a Palestinian. Find out what life is like in Nazareth. Write to him.”
    ________________

    I’m aware of that, Mary.

    My point – which you of course ignore – is that if he were in Russia reporting on Russian actions in Dagestan and Chechniya he’d be dead by now.

    The Russian state would have bumped him off. Whereas he is alive and well in Nazareth, under Israeli occupation, and free to write whatever he pleases.

  39. There are decent people I know in the BBC. Why do they put up with this?

    How decent can one be while putting up with propaganda for genocide?

  40. As you are serving behind the bar (sorry I’m a bit out of phase) at the Whistleblower’s Arms – at the Doune the Rabbit Hole Festival from 22 to 24 August at Cardross, Port of Menteith….

    The hashtag takes me back well into the distant past…when things actually worked..and We actually worked hard…writing stuff…techie stuff…sure sometimes the stuff we wrote was very quick and dirty and very poorly documented…but it worked…sometimes exceptionally well…

    Today next to F#c*ik All worked…

    Yes…a very nice location…and the Chef could cook…

    The staff were all very polite..and to everyone’s amazement…they were actually English…No Really….

    I won’t go into the details…except just to mention…a lot of people around us politely got very annoyed…and after waiting for up two two hours…simply gave up and walked out…even though they had paid up front…after waiting in a queue…just to get a drink and place an order…for…well rather a long time…

    But it was a nice location…and the weather was fine…and eventually rather than being annoyed…I found the chaos quite funny….

    I thought well…I will take a few photos and maybe write a few things…My wife said…you are not doing that…under my Facebook account…absolutely no way…I did of course ask first..cos I am like that…though I very rarely use Facebook…

    So I thought, O.K…I will log out…and do it under my own name…Yes I still have an account…even though Facebook told me…that someone from the USA had been trying to log on to it under my name…and thought it probably wasn’t me…cos well..they had probably sussed that I do not work for either the NSA or the CIA…

    So I tried to log out… I succeeded in doing this only a few weeks ago..in Spain…but since then…Facebook has removed the logout function from Android phones..or it seemed to me they had…I couldn’t find it anywhere…

    So I thought I would be clever…and try everything I could to crash Facebook, remove data…almost everything except throw the phone very hard against a brick wall…Then I tried a google search…I tried what was suggested 3 months ago….but they had even changed that..so that you could no longer log out of Facebook…I thought this is silly…I’m supposed to be having a nice meal in a nice location…

    Now I have got home (obviously sober)…don’t be silly you can’t get drunk at that rate of service…I have found out the only most obscure way to log out of Facebook on an Android phone…that so far as I can tell…has not yet been documented…

    I do realise why Facebook has done this…but why did the Pub fire all their staff two days ago…to replace them with a new bunch…without even a manager to teach them the basics….

    I guess it has something to do with “WORK EXPERIENCE”…commonly called Slave Labour…at this rate the poor kids aren’t even going to get any tips…though of course they can at least eat and get drunk.

    My wife can’t sing for toffee..but even she started on Hotel California..You can Checkout any Time You Like…But You Can Never Leave…

    And then I thought of The ENGLISH SLAVES again…

    This is only their Second Day…and they Will have to do The Evening Shift Now Too…

    All For Free

    Disclaimer…My Daughter worked her way through 4 years at University…doing this kind of work…She learnt how to do it on a second visit with her schoolfriend, and her Mum and Dad and brother..in Kefalonia…when she was 15. (We took our Kid’s Friends on Holiday with Us Too).

    But After Her Work Experience…which she did on holiday at a Very Family Greek Place For Free…

    She Got Paid…She learnt all the Skills There.

    Be nice to the Barmaid.

    Tony

  41. Death toll rises as Israel bombing intensifies
    Israel steps up strikes from air and sea, leaving at least 38 people reportedly dead and many more injured in Gaza, as Hamas fires rockets deep into Israel.
    http://www.channel4.com/news/gaza-israel-airstrikes-dead-rockets-hamas

    http://bcove.me/cheoghor video shown on tonight’s Channel 4 News

  42. 7.20pm Don’t be so asinine.

  43. “ISIS or ISIL may be largely responsible and Palestians are Sunni”

    As if that has anything to do with it. If ISIS genuinely wanted to harm US/EU/Israeli interests it would take over the Iraqi oilfields, currently controlled by the multinationals.

  44. “There are decent people I know in the BBC. Why do they put up with this?”

    Salary, career, the club and coke are much more important than dead women and kids.

    I’d have thought that all the history we have of this phenomenon would have made the answer obvious.

    It’s clear too that many “decent” people looked away as kids were raped and buggered to a political agenda, and even now they’re engaged in another cover up.

    There’s nothing decent about them. Never was. Never will be.

  45. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:41 pm

    Mary

    “On 9 July 2004, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) issued an Advisory Opinion on the Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the occupied Palestinian territory”
    _________________

    Can you – or someone else – please provide a link to that Opinion?

    Experience on this blog has taught me that when one reads links carefully (which of course commenters assume people won’t) there’s usually something in it which partially invalidates the line the commmenter is peddling.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Complete disregard by Israel for any laws, international or otherwise.”

    ___________________

    This is a typical piece of nonsense from you, Mary.

    The inhabitants of Israel (including Israeli Arabs) enjoy better legal protection in Israel than they would in any Arab country.

    You – and your fellow Eminences – may wish to consider the following:

    On the late C19 and early C20, Jews left Eastern Europe in their hundreds of thousands to avoid discrimination and persecution. Is there any evidence of Israeli Arabs wishing to leave Israel in their (hundreds of) thousands? On the contrary – one of the demands of the Palestinian negotiators is, and has always been, the “right of return” to …. Israel.

    Opinions welcome, as always.

  46. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    9 Jul, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    “As if that has anything to do with it”

    I guess I misunderstood your point. True enough Israeli/ISIS present interests may converge, but ISIS has been quite active in Gaza, leaving Hamas holding the bag. Rope-a-dope isn’t just a boxing strategy.

  47. Have there been any BBC whistle blowers on policy and how it is implemented?

  48. Habbabkuk If I appeared to omit the Saudis and other Gulf fascists it was not intentional, they are all monsters. All powerful Israel has the ability at a stroke to end this entire historic saga, along with their grotesque fellow travellers in the Arab world, US and Europe. But there is too much behind the scenes, geo politics, land grabs, ethnic cleansing, press propaganda, oil, Ziofascists, epic corruption, Arab hegemony, “Royal” privilege, and obese kleptocrats and banksters in the west with far too much to gain by keeping this catastrophe going. May they boil in shit in hell.

  49. I don’t do Israel…though I have been to Sharm-El-Sheikh …which is almost the same…The snorkeling and diving is amazingly good…but it is even less like Egypt…than Agadir is like Morocco…Of course to try and escape out of these artificial tourists resorts…which are all over the world..and discover the real world – exactly how it is…finding and meeting the people who actually live in Their Countries…takes a bit of effort and courage…

    But my Wife and I always did it..and so do our kids…and so do our friends’ kids….

    I mean FFS do I really want to go THERE…even at my age??? I won’t bother giving you a list starting with Las Vegas….

    We have been travelling so much throughout our lives…I know I had a very well paid job…and got an exceedingly large number of days off work 34+ bank holidays + negotiated time off for working very long hours when it was really needed (the thing just had to work – or we would all lose our jobs – and there was absolutely no way it was going to not work – we were so good – but I didn’t realise it at the time – cos it was just Normal – it was just what we did)…

    Yet – I had all the support of the Companies I was working For..They did all the Nonsense Paper Work…

    My Son Runs His Own Business…Yet last Year He Managed to get out rather a lot…with no support from me…but a lot from his friends…

    He did 3 months in S.E Asia…After being invited to well…it wasn’t Israel …he just about got a pass on the stamps on his passport.

    England is Just So Beautiful.

    We go camping a lot.

    Tony

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:04 pm

    Herbie

    I realise that sole people hold that everything is political, but I was nevertheless surprised to see you write “kids were raped and buggered to a political agenda”.

    What do you think that “political agenda” was (be as expansive as you wish), and do you think that (non-political)perverted sexual lust might have played a part in those rapes and buggerings?

  51. While the tears of the fleeing ethnic cleansed of eastern Ukrainians are being shed so tragically the trivial weeping of the Brazilian fans is tonight’s BBC Worlds banal Global headline story! Then, to add insult to viewers’ intelligence the World Business news report aims to find a futile correlation between the global money markets and world cup football results. The World cup distraction/diversion tactics practiced by the BBC to avoid having to report on the unjustifiable political double dealing of US, UK and EU governments that the Ukraine war represents are plain stark, staring obvious

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:07 pm

    Tony Opmoc

    We can always rely on you for some long-winded and whimsical diversionary posts from you when discussion heats up, can’t we.

    Sofia – quick, some more sci-fi from you, please, to keep up the good work!

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:10 pm

    Johnstone (20h07)

    Is there a point lurking under that exceedingly turgid prose?

  54. I completely agree the bias of the BBC. Do look at Media Lens who analyse this so well.

    These 2 news sites just made my blood boil today:

    http://news.sky.com/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10954124/Where-is-the-outrage-over-the-bombardment-of-civilians-in-Israel.html

    I’m old enough to remember the recalcitrance of white South Africans. At least there we had reasonable reporting.

    Please please complain. I had a fob off response from Channel 4 but at least they had someone from Hamas tonight.

  55. Loved your poem Mary!

  56. Fred – you’ve managed to find one webpage where they put it fairly.

    The Media Group at Glasgow University did the sums a while back. Have a read.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3829967.stm

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    9 Jul, 2014 - 8:28 pm

    Alex

    I think there’s been a misunderstanding. I thought that you were referring to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies when you wrote “but the horrible bastards want to preserve their own DYNASTIC heritage”. That is why I responded by saying ” you err in not including OTHER Arab regimes (OTHER than the monarchies) in your condemnation” – meaning that you had erred in not mentioning non-monarchic Arab régimes such as Syria, Egypt, Irak.

    Hope that clarifies.

  58. Clicking on ‘palestine campaign.org’ (PSC) produces ‘Resource Limit Is Reached’

    Has the Hasbara outfit been busy? They are capable of doing so.

  59. The classic re the bias in BBC’s middle east coverage is Ahmadinejad’s “wipe off the map” speech.

    http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025

    Despite the fact that it was a gross misreprentation, when complained about, the BBC found nothing wrong in their umpteen retellings of it – such is their arrogant disdain for accuracy, sorry – their ‘impartiality’.

    Getting the BBC to acknowledge any failing is a tortuous process…

    http://www.spinwatch.org/index.php/blog/item/5620-bbc-finally-admits-bias-over-pro-israel-commentator

    Unless its the orchestrated pro-Zionist lobby which jumps en masse upon the slightest thing they disapprove of and successfully bombard the BBC

  60. “Fred – you’ve managed to find one webpage where they put it fairly.”

    It was the first one on the list.

    When I look at competitors, such as Sky say, it’s a different story.

    “After a day of counter-strikes between Hamas and Israeli forces, rockets are fired at the highly secure Dimona nuclear site.”

    http://news.sky.com/story/1297664/hamas-attempts-strike-on-israeli-nuclear-site

    Has to be the most blatant piece of anti Palestinian propaganda yet, as if they could aim their rockets.

    Yet when I look at the comments section I see the British public consider Sky to have a Palestinian bias.

  61. To the smart there is, otherwise there isn’t

  62. O/T for Craig’s info.

    STV confirm referendum debate date
    A televised referendum debate between Alex Salmond and Alistair Darling will go ahead in August after a dispute over dates is settled.
    The date is 5th August.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28238151

  63. Fred. Did you read the article I linked to?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3829967.stm

    These things require an independent study weighing up all the reports. Not a look at the first page you come across which happens to be okay.

  64. There could be peace between Israel and the Palestinians tomorrow, ending the suffering of people on all sides, if the US wanted it.

    Israel in its present form could not continue to exist without US financial, economic, military and political support. It’s as simple as that. But, for whatever reasons, the US prefers the status quo.

  65. “Fred. Did you read the article I linked to?”

    Yes, 10 years ago when it was topical.

    I think that Glasgow University had a decided anti BBC bias.

  66. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 9:10 pm

    If the Arab (Islamic) world really wanted an end to the suffering inflicted on the benighted Palestinians, for whom they pledge such “sympathy” they could make it happen, but the horrible bastards want to preserve their own dynastic heritage and will do anything for anyone to keep themselves and their inbred spawn in power for the rest of time. Deeply depressing. (Alex)

    This one is trotted out every time Israel decides to go in for reprisals against the civilian population of the occupied territories and Gaza. First, it is a sweeping and untrue generalisation. Second, it forgets that the Arab League couldn’t organise a pissup in a brewery, even if it were not haram to do so, as it is merely a weak association of vaguely similar interests. That Saudi Arabia has a lot to lose in oil revenues by offending America’s little protege – and thus America, and Egypt even more in direct US aid paid on the clear understanding that it supports Israeli internal and external policy. If it doesn’t -as we have just seen- it suddenly develops a dictatorship which does. This is not accidental.

    The meme forgets that Jordan has quite enough Palestinian refugees from eretz-Israel already, and is militarily much weaker. Even so, Jordan today issued a condemnation of the current assault in the strongest possible terms.(Which is infinitely more than the Quartet’s UK-subsidised representative and Friend of Israel has found time to do at the time of posting this.)

    Qatar and Saudi are substantial aid donors to Gaza. Algeria actively supports Hamas.

    Israel cheerfully ignores diplomacy, and someone can always be found to sell it what it needs to survive, generally in the West. So short of a combined assault on Israel, there’s not much more the Arabs can do. And we know how that panned out last time: and how it would pan out against the only nuclear state in the region if it looked like succeeding, next time.

    The West bears the full responsibility for creating and very actively supporting Israel, that vicious little bastard of Zionism and imperialism, and it should be the West’s overriding concern to pull its teeth. Blaming the (generalised) Arabs for not caring or not doing enough is inaccurate and beside the point.

  67. Sometimes these things need to be said about this Socialist State My Capitalist Son and Me Live in at Home..Me with His Mum…And Him with His Latest Girlfriend….

    Yes Your Mum and I Have been away a lot recently…whilst you have been at home…and invited all your friends round for a BBQ…We didn’t have a problem with that…but did you clear the mess up? Did you put it away…did you burn a massive hole in the Grass? We didn’t mind that…but it has been raining…Did you cut the Grass??? Did you put Your Clothes in The Washing Machine…and Hang Them Out To Dry???

    Did You or Either Your Girlfriend…Spend Three Days a Week…Well actually Growing A Large Percentage of The Food We All Eat???

    Did You or Your Girlfriend Peel any Potatoes (She Did Once When I said Are You Sure You Want To Eat)

    So I Reckon My Son and His Girlfriend…are Lovely…Yes We Both Like Them Living at Home…But Your Mum…would like a little bit of help with all the WORK SHE does…

    Lazy Fuckers.

    Tony

  68. All round the world.

    Take action: Protests around the world respond to assault on Palestine

    Protests are being organized in cities around the world to respond to the ongoing assault on Palestine and the Palestinian people, including the murders of Palestinians (including 16-year-old Muhammad Abu Khdeir, murdered brutally by Israeli settlers), the bombing of Gaza and the killing of over 50 Palestinians by occupation forces, the mass arrests of over 900, and the raids, attacks, tear-gassing, invasions and closure that Palestinians are being subjected to. If a rally you know of is not listed, please email samidoun@samidoun.ca to have it posted!

    Upcoming protests (prior protests moved below upcoming events):
    http://samidoun.ca/2014/07/take-action-protests-around-the-world-respond-to-assault-on-palestine/

    London, UK
    Friday, July 11
    3:00 PM
    G4S Headquarters, 105 Victoria Street, London
    Organized by Inminds
    More info: https://www.facebook.com/events/1525494837679446/

    London, UK
    Friday, July 11
    5:30 PM
    Embassy of Israel, London (Nearest tube: High Street Kensington)
    More info: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152124765002890&set=a.10150430348142890.356598.188528597889&type=3&permPage=1

    Birmingham and Glasgow are in the list.

  69. The same situation exists in France.

    ‘Boniface’s book is not about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Rather, it is about the parlous influence of the domestic Israel lobby on French politics and French society more broadly. Boniface claims that one can criticize any government in the world (one can even mercilessly attack the reigning French President), but not that of Israel.

    After 2001, the PS was pressured to excommunicate him. Two regional presses ceased to publish his articles. There were attempts to discredit his organization – the Institut de Relations Internationales et Stratégiques – and to have him removed. He has been slurred as an anti-Semite.’

    Two Weights, Two Measures
    The Israel Lobby and French Politics
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/09/the-israel-lobby-and-french-politics/

  70. Names and ages of those killed today in Gaza. 7 children’s names are included.

    Amena Saleem PSC
    (via Facebook)

    The names and ages of the 23 Palestinians killed by Israeli air strikes on Gaza today are:

    Siraj Iyad Abdel Aal 8
    Bassim Salem al-Kaware 10
    Hussen Yousef al-Kaware 13
    Mohamed Ayman Ashour 15
    Musa Habib 16
    Ahmed Nail Mahdi 16
    Dena Mahdi Hamad 16
    Bakr Mohammed Gouda 22
    Suha Hamad 25
    Mohamed Habib 22
    Saqr Aljesh Aljouri 22
    Sulaiman Saiman Abu Soawin 22
    Mohamed Shaaban 24
    Ammar Mohammed Gouda 26
    Ibrahim Mammed Hamad 26
    Rashad Yassin 27
    Hafiz Mohammed Hamad 30
    Amjad Shaaban 30
    Khadr Alepesheliqi 45
    Mahdi Mohmmad Hamad 46
    Riad Mohammad al-Kaware 50
    Mohammed Ibrahim al-Kaware 50
    Fawzia Khalil Hamad 62

  71. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 10:12 pm

    The current violence is presumably Israel’s considered response to Tony’s pre-Operation Sheer Cliff (as I believe the Hebrew translates), utterance on the 24th June, to be found here, possibly.

    english.pnn.ps/…/7742-tony-blair-calls-on-israel-to-stop-its-operation-in-the-west-bank-and-gaza

    It’s (The Palestine News Network) down right now, which is almost certainly because of the GIGANTIC BARRAGE OF ROCKETS which are being fired at POOR LITTLE ISRAEL. [font=0.1 point](Or maybe an IDF drone strike)[/font]

  72. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    9 Jul, 2014 - 10:32 pm

  73. bbc won’t show this, and the world won’t see this

    arch terrorist and head of operation liquidated!

    Makes me sick to see the blackmailed bastards acquiescently accepting the inhumanity and crimes against humanity and peace perpetrated by the rabid mad zionists, as a matte of routine.

    keeping the gofer cadre out of trouble

    After all she can always issue and apology later.

    Baroness Butler-Sloss, the former judge appointed to investigate allegations of an establishment cover-up of child sex abuse, was forced to issue an apology after making crucial errors in a previous inquiry into two paedophile priests

  74. Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella) ..Well at least you read it…You see I don’t actually think You Lot are The Problem…Lets Face it You Simply Do Not Have Either The History or The Experience,,,,

    Think About It Who are The Real Biggest…..

    Personally.. I will go with My Tribe…

    And I Look Down…and It Worked Perfectly Well This Morning..In Fact It Was Very Nice…

    It came with me just as I was born..

    I think you Guys lost something.

    Tony

  75. This should fix everything!!!

    “(Reuters) – The U.N. Security Council will meet at 10 a.m. (1400 GMT) on Thursday to discuss escalating Israel and Palestinian hostilities and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is likely to brief the 15-member body, diplomats said.”

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/07/09/palestinians-israel-un-idINKBN0FE2FP20140709

    :p

  76. “IDF’s Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis”

    Israel’s defence minister has confirmed that military plans to ‘uproot Hamas’ are about dominating Gaza’s gas reserves

    Nafeez Ahmed

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis

  77. Alex:
    “Beyond odious as the Israeli regime is, the lack of action or meaningful support from fellow Muslims in the Middle East”

    What the Muslim leaders are doing now, covertly and politically, is shaped by what they experienced at the hands of the original colonials, whom they fought and were defeated by superior force.

    That’s the story that is told, but in fact we can learn from the behaviour of the current colonial era that previous generations of political Muslim individuals betrayed the general populations to Colonial power.

    Spare a thought for the ordinary Muslims who hate this political strategy both for the harm it will do themselves because reprisals never fall on the leaders, and also for the destruction of their Muslims brothers and sisters in the Arab spring.

    It is accomplished by dividing the Muslim society into trusted well-paid spies and impoverished masses. The manager class then jealously guard their manager status, and it still exists in the minds of Indians and Pakistanis even if English people are not aware of it.

    In the current colonial era the neo-colonials are playing the same game, using the ultra-political Muslims who arrive as asylum seekers from harsh regimes as the manager class over the masses. As a result it has not been possible for the voice of the tolerant Muslims to be heard over the voice of the favoured political class of Muslims who have bought into the Zionist plan to terrorise the Muslim world and disgrace the name of Islam by brutal violence.

    As I have referred to above, some Muslims who started the jihad against the Soviet Union and who feel that political collaboration with the Zionist West have just started to put their heads over the barrier and speak against the West’s favoured manager class which includes the baby/bus bombers of Taleban/Head choppers of Al Qaida/ and many other groups who destroyed Tunisia and Libya and who are now, at the control of Israel, destroying Syria.

    These managerial political Muslims believe that by co-operating with Israel, they can eventually do a Mosul on Manchester, Tikrit on Tottenham and a Baghdad on Birmingham. We Muslims are requested to wait patiently until their machinations deliver, and they satisfy Israel by raping and ripping apart Syrian society and expelling from their homes into criminal-ridden jungle.

    It was always a stupid idea to try play the Israeli terror/deceit game with the masters of Hollywood fantasy nastiness, the Israelis.

    Spare a thought for the Muslims who have waited for 4 years for this stupid game to bear fruit. Those of us who have a conscience have been silenced. As a result of speaking against the stupidity of the political scheme, when I walk into a Deobandi mosque they now recite bitingly damning chapters of the Qur’an stating that betrayal wil be rewarded by the fire of Hell.

    They seem to have forgotten that since 1640 and in fact long before I have a right as an Englishman to free speech and freedom of religious opinion. A right they would dearly like to exterminate. If they come to power, expect to pay a bribe to get your daughter to see a doctor, or to escape a traffic fine. Don’t expect a fine to re-secure your head onto your shoulders.

    Somehow they think that when the Islamic Caliphate is declared in the UK, all the bits of protective UK law will still apply to themselves, the favoured managerial class, while harsh Shari’ah law will grind the masses into obedience.

    Hang on. That sounds a bit familiar doesn’t it? Saudi Arabia and Turkey are now terrified of the devil spawn they have created in Syria as it drives swiftly over to their own borders. Barzani has signed his own death warrant by accepting the Jordan deal to kick Maliki out of Kirkuk, since Political Islam lying dormant in Europe on state benefits will now demand that their imprisoned fellows in Kurdish jails be released in exchange.

    No problem for Barzani and Maliki. They can join the London Lecture Tour.

  78. Yet again…we didn’t get to see..our daughter..she is so independent…and so DETERMINED..She is going to do it her own way…so She gave us her New Address…and We sneaked a quick look there….

    I mean…we told the owners of the campsite…where our daughter…said she said she moved to yesterday….

    They showed us the map….

    So we drove there…without being asked…

    we eventually found the little lane..and the lost lamb….and possibly the most Beautiful Village in England…

    She just texted me back….

    “I Got The Job”

    I replied…”Blimey…Invite Us When You are Ready”

    Good Girl.

    She Replied

    “I Have Been Driving a Tractor Today”

    Tony

  79. The alternative strategy to the political game described above, which failed so lamentably in the colonial era until Hitler came along and distracted Britain from its Empire, is the way of the Prophet Muhammad SAW.

    That is, to show a good example of Islam to the already partially believing Christians. To be honest to themselves in the practise of their daily lives, not to pretend that taking out multiple haram interest mortgages is God’s answer to their prayers of a Ma’idah, a miraculous reward.

    Not to pretend that the scrap car you want to buy and which they bought for nothing is in fact a thoroughly reliable well-maintained family they have had for years.

    Not to spy on their Muslim brothers and siters who Allah has guided into the truth of Islam and then broadcast the activities of their Muslim brother and his Muslim wife to the entire local Muslim community. ( The Islamic punishment for that particularly odious habit of theirs is that I can spike their eyes for spying, and no returns ) Not sure that English Law would support me there.

    They could also try to stop hating English people for the betrayal by their own political class. Why not save their hatred for the political class that sold them to Colonial reprisals and the ones who are still playing the same games today.

    Does anyone on this blog seriously believe that if Westminster and Washington are not controlled by Israel through the UKUS and Muslim international political classes.

    If it was left to the people of Gaza and Israel, Palestine would be a pluralistic open society. It is the political class that destroys everything. Mursi phoned up Al Qaida leader Zawahiri to offer Egypt’s allegiance to the terror group. Zawahir phones up Netanyahu to offer India/Pakistan’s allegiance to Israel.

    How is it possible to solve anything when there is a political class fucking it up faster than the goodwill of us ordinary people?

  80. There is no equating the killing and maiming of dozens of innocent Palestinians with scared Israelis seeking shelter from crude rockets that rarely cause damage. But that hasn’t stopped media outlets from trying, and in some cases, outright lying, to distort the violence.

    In one stark example, ABC News’ Diane Sawyer misidentifies scenes of the aftermath of Israeli missile strikes in Gaza as destruction caused by Palestinian rocket fire.

    As Sawyer segues into the segment, she says, “We take you overseas now to the rockets raining down on Israel today as Israel tried to shoot them out of the sky.” Next to her is video footage not of Israelis or even Israel, but of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza.

    Sawyer then incorrectly describes an image of a Palestinian family gathering belongings in the smoking debris of a missile-hit home in Gaza as “an Israeli family trying to salvage what they can.”

    Sawyer then describes an image of a Palestinian woman surrounded by destroyed homes as “one woman standing speechless among the ruins,” with the implication that she is Israeli.

    Sawyer’s bald misreporting reflects either a deliberate lie by ABC News or wilful ignorance so severe that Palestinian death and misery is invisible even when it’s staring ABC producers right in the face.

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/abc-news-tells-viewers-scenes-destruction-gaza-are-israel

    I wonder will any apology be forthcoming?

  81. الْمَوْءُودَةُ

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:05 am

  82. You see…my daughter had Really Pissed Me Off..simply because she didn’t tell me the truth..She was too proud..and thought she could personally pay off all of the debts…this is working…living surviving debts…of My Daughter…and all The Kids…She Shared in a Student House..She took Responsibility…Her Name Was On The Bill,,,and sure we helped them out a lot..to the tune…of actually visiting them…in their student house…and really worrying about the fact that they were all getting really thin…and living on instant mash…at best…

    Taking on all This Responsibility when She Was Just an 18 Year Old Kid…At University,,Just Trying To Learn All The Skills To Prosecute ANTHONY CHARRLES LYNTON BLAIR…(She Had Very Personal Reason)..Should Have Given Her a phd..instead it just gave me a load of debts..some of which she didn’t tell me out…and I Really Do Not Like Fighting With Loan Sharks…I think She is Clear Now…These Fuckers Really Piss Me Off..They Feed On Our Children…Come and Feed On Me..You Complete and Utter Arseholes -p AND I wILL sWALLOW yOU whole

    anthony

  83. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:09 am

    Baal’s post at 21h10 is not up to his usual standard. Or perhaps it is. Let’s look at some of it in more detail.

    1. “This one {ie, Alex’s point}is trotted out every time Israel decides to go in for reprisals against the civilian population of the occupied territories and Gaza”

    Actually, this argument is a long-standing one – it is decades old – and is not “trotted out” only when Israel retaliates against rockets from Gaza.

    2/. “First, it is a sweeping and untrue generalisation.”

    Sloppy presentation. Baal gives this as a (first) reason, whereas it is in fact an assertion, which should then be followed by justifications (firstly, secondly, thirdly…).

    3/. “Second, it forgets that the Arab League couldn’t organise a pissup in a brewery”

    This is correct and would appear to support, rather than invalidate, Alex’s argument, which is that the Arabs seem incapable of acting in concert.

    4/. ” Saudi Arabia has a lot to lose in oil revenues by offending America’s little protege – and thus America,…”

    The “offending” concept is correct, but it has to do with the US guaranteeing the current power set-up in Saudi and nothing to do with oil, which will always find a market in an energy-hungry world.

    5/. “The meme forgets that Jordan has quite enough Palestinian refugees from eretz-Israel already”

    It had more when it was administering the West Bank between 1949 and 1967 instead of helping to create a Palestinian state in the West Bank when it had the opportunity to do so.

    6/. “Qatar and Saudi are substantial aid donors to Gaza.”

    And yet are accused by many – including sundry Eminences – of being in cahoots with Israel and the US.

    7/.”Israel cheerfully ignores diplomacy”

    Meaningless. If this were true, it should render otiose sundry Eminences’ criticisms of various Israeli ambassadors to the US and Western countries, should it not?

    8/. “So short of a combined assault on Israel, there’s not much more the Arabs can do. And we know how that panned out last time”

    Contradictory. If an assault didn’t work out last time (Baal presumably refers to 1967) there is little point in saying “so short of an assault..”

    9/. “The West bears the full responsibility for creating and very actively supporting Israel,”

    Only partially accurate. The creation of Israel was actively supported (for the wrong reasons, admittedly) by the USSR and its satellite states as well as by many non-Western European states.

    10/. “Blaming the (generalised) Arabs for not caring or not doing enough is inaccurate and beside the point.”

    It is not the whole or only truth, but the inability of Arabs to unite behind a single objective or set of objectives is certainly one of the reasons for the current situation. As well as for the considerable disunity withing a number of Arab countries.

    If I were a don, I’d give Baal’s dissertation no more than a straight beta. Sorry!
    8/.

  84. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:14 am

    “Imagine if that Bill was the deeply controversial Data Retention Bill.”

    Imagine if they actually represented their constituents, Fred.

    Such things rarely see the light of day.

  85. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:18 am

    A last question to the Luminaries on here, phrased more succinctly than this morning:

    do people here think it would be a good idea – and of benefit to the welfare of the people in Gaza – if Hamas ceased firing rockets into Israel (or stopped whoever is firing them if not Hamas)?

  86. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:26 am

    “A last question…”

    Yes. The masses should all learn the ways of the opossum.

    “Play dead”.

  87. الْمَوْءُودَةُ

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:27 am

  88. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:31 am

    The UN is good at promulgating legal prerogatives; bad at policing with Security forces. The legal venue is the path, if the US signs onto it.

  89. الْمَوْءُودَةُ

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:57 am

  90. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 1:08 am

    We’re still pipe-dreaming with Cheney/Bush going before the bench. Something……huge has to occur where all are brought to their knees. Otherwise, it’s window dressing, or salad dressing.

  91. Ashkelon was one of the 400 Palestinian towns which were leveled to ground by the Zionist Jewish terrorist militias in 1948.

    Amos Harel, a journalist focused on military affairs for the Israeli daily Haaretz, revealed that the Israeli army command suggested three options to Netanyahu government in Tel Aviv on how to deal with Hamas in Gaza. The first is “bombing institutions and leadership headquarters, making sure that attacking aircrafts make frightful sounds, shaking the sector without causing casualties,” the second option is “bombing weapons and rocket factories and warehouses,” while the third options is “performing wide range assassinations against commanders and activists in Resistance movements.”

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/07/09/israel-recalls-40000-combat-reserves-to-destroy-hamas/

  92. I just emailed an American friend of mine who staunchly and unyieldingly supports Israel – in these terms:-

    1. What do you say of the over 700,000 Palestinians displaced in 1948?
    2. If you are not even prepared to accept the 1967 border lines under international law – what other kind of reaction/resistance do you expect?
    3. If Native Americans reclaimed their land and forcefully removed you from your now “American land” – what would you do?

    In any event there were also other very pressing matters on my mind today:-

    Dear President Dilma Rousseff,
    Re: Loss to Germany and an appropriate reaction
    Please accept this letter as a slightly delayed reaction to the 7 – 1 defeat.
    To be honest, I was in a state of shock for over 24 hours, as you might be aware the vast majority of Brazilians also were/are.
    So – how are we going to deal with this absolutely humiliating defeat?
    I have an idea – why not declare a day of national mourning?
    No – on second thought – that is not the best approach.
    The Brazilian nation really does need full and appropriate consolation. There is only one way.
    I am now recommending in all earnestness and with deepest sympathy a full seven days of national mourning – one for each goal scored by Germany.
    Respectfully and with deepest condolences,
    Courtenay Francis Raymond Barnett
    P.S. I remain in trepidation that the last best chance for redemption – of a third place slot – will not occur – because the Netherlands so far is looking the superior team (notwithstanding the defeat to Argentina). Was it that “7-up” was prescient when they gave that name to their soda? You may very well think that I am mocking you and/or Brazil. Actually, I am not. I am a fan and great supporter of Brazil as I have been all my life. Now – can you pass me that can of “ 7-up” please.

  93. My old colleague, a nice chap, supports Israel in everything. Doesn’t matter what, he’s staunch. His politics are conservative, but not lunatic neocon, and he’s not jewish, he’s just picked a side. Often I think that’s what it comes down to, the propaganda makes people pick a side, and mostly they’ll fall on the side of the propaganda. Propaganda works. If it didn’t, they’d try something else. Like shooting people in the back of the head, Stalin’s personal favourite.

    Me, I won’t pretend to be immune, nobody is. But the blatant stuff, I see that coming a mile away. And the coverage in the Guardian, and the bbc, is lame, and condescending. The Guardian appears to be stuffed full of neocons, or female writers targeting sixteen year olds, or both. There are good writers, Milne, Hyde, Pilger, think Penny appears sometimes, but not enough. In fairness to the Guardian, they have mentioned that many Palestinians have been killed. On the other hand, this:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/09/iron-dome-gaza-israel-air-defence-missile

    Iron Dome? Looks like a straight out military press release. And probably is.

  94. I am trying to write in defence of completely innocent men, women and children…who just want to live their lives in their countries where they live.

    Can we PLEASE Stop Dropping Bombs On Them, Trying To Kill Them…or Trying To Control Them…

    They are Just Like You and Me…and Your Wife and Kids..sure they speak a different language…and we don’t immediately understand…but just give them a smile and a welcome…like my wife and I do….and they just invite us into their homes…talk about making friends…nearly everyone in the world understands a few words of ENGLISH….and maybe a bit of spanish, french or german…us Europeans..are not hated..quite the opposite..we are invited into people’s homes all over the World.

    We come From Europe

    We Do Not Come from The USA

    And We Do Not Come from Israel

    And You Guys are Not Going To Eff Us Over With a War With The Russians…or Anyone Else.

    Go eat your own shi#ite.

    Bye

    Tony

  95. So I thought should I do the Catholic One as Well???

    Nah The Yanks Will Believe it…

    The Only Problem with this is it is true…

    My Brother’s Son Does have a First Class PhD in Maths – at Cambridge (My Ex has met him when he was really young) and my wife too…

    He of course got recruited with qualifications like that..and being the son of his Dad (My Brother – the best electronics genius in the world so far as I am concerned)

    To Design Weapons of Mass Destruction in Deepest Dorset..He did tell me about it at my Brother-In-Law’s Funeral…

    Then He Gave it Up To Train as a Catholic Priest..Yes we went to The Ceremonies…I thought well its a load of old bollocks..but its better than designing weapons to kill people…I gave him a Real hard time when he was training …His Dad couldn’t…But I could…He was just so clever…and well full of God (his Dad died when he was young)

    He is no well on his way to be Pope (no seriously)….but I have this dilemma…

    My wife and I have been invited to his Mum’s 70th Birthday Party..at the same time as Cambridge Rock Festival is On…with some excellent bands…My wife says She wants to Cambridge Rock Festival like Before…I am hoping By Then…My Ex Girlfriend Will Have Made a Miracalous Recovery…cos I think Our Other Girlfriend is Coming Too (She’s From Lancashire like us)..and I have just bought a new Tent..and it sleeps 4 Very Comfortably…I don’t fancy sharing it with 3 blokes..But My Wife and Two Girlfriends..That Sounds O.K To Me…Maybe I should ask my nephew to Pray For Me…

    Sorry about that.

    Tony

  96. Herbie – “Salary, career, the club and coke are much more important than dead women and kids.”

    One big factor is that interviewers are generalists. They have limited knowledge, ofter extreme ignorance of the topic they are interviewing on. So they aren’t aware of, and won’t ask the basic questions and retorts that the people who are suffering the misery would.

    Then they are set against a highly polished PR man like Mark Regev for Israel. Expert on his brief, practiced in every sidestep, who runs rings round them.

    And for Hamas/the Muslim Brotherhood etc – someone who ofter even has poor English, who the BBC interviewer proceeds to harangue as they approach things from the BBC establishment perspective: “Terrorist!”.

  97. Tucked away on the BBC main page,

    10 July 2014
    UN chief Ban Ki-moon: Gaza situation ‘on knife-edge’

    The civilian death toll in Gaza is rising, as Yolande Knell reports – video

    Mr Ban warned that the region “cannot afford another full-blown war”.

  98. It’s off topic but I will print out Tom Watson’s words which Fred kindly linked to. Lansley is a dangerous type. Thanks to his Health and Social Care Act 2012, the NHS is now being shafted.

    ‘Something terrible could be happening in Parliament on Monday and I need your urgent attention.

    Please don’t ignore this.

    Last Thursday there was a curious announcement in the Chamber of the House of Commons. At the session to announce future business, Leader of the House, Andrew Lansley said this:

    “Monday 14th July — consideration of a Bill, followed by a motion to approve the first report from the Committee on Standards on the respect policy”

    If you look on Parliament’s web site tonight, you will not see the name, nor the text of the Bill to be considered.

    None of your elected backbench MPs have been told what Bill is to be debated on Monday. It’s Wednesday evening. Tomorrow, MPs are on a ‘one line whip’ ie they can return to their constituencies this evening.

    Imagine how outrageous it would be, if tomorrow, the government were to announce emergency legislation to an empty chamber. Imagine if that emergency legislation was to be introduced on Monday or Tuesday, with the intention of it slipping through the Commons and the Lords in a single day. Imagine if that Bill was the deeply controversial Data Retention Bill.

    It’s a Bill that will override the views of judges who have seen how the mass collection of your data breaches the human rights of you and your family.

    Regardless of where you stand on the decision of the European Court of Justice, can you honestly say that you want a key decision about how your personal data is stored to be made by a stitch up behind closed doors and clouded in secrecy?

    None of your MPs have even read this legislation, let alone been able to scrutinise it.

    The very fact that the Government is even considering this form of action, strongly suggests that they have an expectation that the few people on the Liberal Democrat and Labour front benchers who have seen this legislation, are willing to be complicit.

    No matter what you think about this issue, if you care about democracy, make sure your MP does not walk through the chamber and vote for legislation nobody has had the chance to debate and question.’

    https://medium.com/@tom_watson/22c3136de17c

  99. How very true.

    Amos 1:8 And I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him that holdeth the sceptre from Ashkelon, and I will turn mine hand against Ekron: and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord GOD.

    Zephaniah 2:4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up.

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