Wow. Shahzad, a murderous loser with Muslim crazy in the brain, is someone you wish to listen to.

If Shahzad had managed to be successful in his job in Connecticut, we wouldn't be discussing that suicidal murderous creep.

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"zionist seneters ... wormtongue in lord of the rings"

That pretty much sums up the hatred and idiocy behind Craig Murray's blog.

I interpreted Sherard Cowper-Coles's sacking as being caused by his outspoken criticisms of General Stanley McChrystal's crazy and already failed military strategy in Afghanistan.

Now McChrystal's personna non popula in Washington.

Whoever was responsible for Cowper-Coles sacking - Hague? Cameron? - seems to have chosen just the wrong time.

johnf

there is more to it than just that, but yes.

“Meanwhile the activists of the Democrats are finally getting their arses into gear in a serious way.”

Are you that stupid, former Ambassador Craig Murray? democrats.com is not affiliated with the Democratic Party. It's a conspiracy nut site. Go ahead; search for 911 on that site. All sorts of conspiracy bullshit.

And they're not “activists of the Democrats.” In no way do those silly gooses fit into any wing of the Democratic Party.

You seem to have a problem assimilating information.

>there is more to it than just that, but yes.

all ears

General Stanley McChrystal is the least of President Barack Obama's problems. Its all the other pentagon generals that may come out in support of McChrystal that has Obama spooked. I wonder if Obama will last his term?.

"I wonder if Obama will last his term?."

So, Anonymous, do you really think that America will now fail? It's been fairly stable since 1787, and you think that now everything will fall apart?

What makes you think that the Pentagon will turn against the government? What do you think that Pentagon has done lately to the citizens?

You say
"I am now hopeful that we are approaching the end of the occupation of Afghanistan as the facts on the ground make the propaganda of the hawks irrelevant."
I do wish so but when have any facts affected peoples actions. I believe it's now about losing face. They talk about making big sacrifices but it's not them who make them it's the people and families of those who die.

Theyre making too much money off the heroin to withdraw and let the Taliban burn it all.

"Theyre making too much money off the heroin to withdraw and let the Taliban burn it all."

Gee, let me guess. No evidence, right?

In April 1951, Truman removed General Douglas MacArthur from his command of the United Nations forces in Korea.

JFK had problems with pentagon generals.

`Truman Doctrine`
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmQD_W8Pcxg

Larry demands evidence, Larry gets it.
From 2001
"International narcotics experts have commended Afghanistan's Taliban rulers for virtually wiping out opium production from a country that until two years ago provided three-quarters of the world's supply."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/afghans-selling-children-after-taliban-wipes-out-opium-trade-692159.html

Even the father of the 300th troop who died at the weekend has doubts on the 'mission'.

On Sunday, Marine Hollington, also 23, of Petersfield, Hampshire died in a Birmingham hospital eight days after being wounded in a blast.

He was the 300th member of the UK armed forces to die in Afghanistan since the conflict began in 2001.

His father, Robin Hollington, has demanded a personal explanation from Prime Minister David Cameron about Britain's role in the conflict.

He told told ITV News: "I do not see a huge amount of progress being made and it would be extremely interesting to hear from Mr Cameron... exactly why we are there.

"Because I don't think the public are being told enough to justify what is going on at the moment."

He described his son as a lion, and said the UK soldiers in Afghanistan were fighting for each other rather than for "Queen and country".

"They are doing it because, by looking after each other, they have the best chance of coming back alive," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10389526.stm

Meanwhile the media crap continues. Both BBC News and Sky News are embedded in Winchester ready to transmit the parade of the returning 11 Light Brigade with three bands and the Crocodile Wife in attendance.

Sky are saying as 'Breaking News' that Karzai is giving support to the madman McChrystal and imploring Obomber not to sack him. Says it all.

June 23, 2010 11:53 AM

Don`t take `Larry from St. Louis bait`. He only comes on here to destabilise the thread, he doesn`t want you to talk about `The War Falls Apart`. Ignore him.

Larry Crazy from St.Louis,
Imagine instead of Afganistan or Iraq, your town, your country, and instead of american and british soldiers the muslim army doing the same as the americans and british are doing in their countries. What would you do?

@Larry:

"Wow. Shahzad, a murderous loser with Muslim crazy in the brain, is someone you wish to listen to."

Yes, I do want to listen to him when trying to understand why he -- and others like him -- do the things he does.

If you're serious about wanting to prevent terrorism then you should be listening to him as well.

Listening does not imply agreeing with or liking what someone says.

If you want to stop something happening it's best to understand the causes of it. Ignoring those causes and instead randomly blowing shit up is rarely a solution and usually (as in this case) makes things worse.

Craig,

After reading your previous post mentioning Jalalabad, I tried to find out more about the place. You have suggested that Jalalabad could be a second Falluja. But most of the information I can find (not much) about current events in Jalalabad seems to suggest that it is already fully under the control of occupation forces, for example the Wikipedia 'Jalalabad' page:

"Today the city is being rebuilt under NATO and UN direction after decades of war and has been receiving an influx of returning refugees largely from Pakistan. The city is considered one of the most important cities of the Pashtun culture. The Military of Afghanistan is in control of security while the United States Military also has a heavy presence. There are a number of US military bases, with the one stationed at Jalalabad Airport being the largest."

Perhaps you could expand on this? Is there some particular area of the city that is not controlled by the occupying forces? Are the US bases outside, rather than in, the city? Or do they only control a few areas, as happened in Mogadishu? Is the city zoned/ghettoised like Baghdad? Why would Pashtun refugees be returning there, if it is controlled by the Afghan army (AKA the North Alliance)? Is there really any 'rebuilding' going on?

I'm losing count. Is this the 4th death this week?

Breaking News (BBC) A marine from 40 Commando has been killed by small arms fire in Afghanistan: MoD

Yes it is the fourth death this week. From BBC News; A Royal Marine has been shot dead in a gun battle with insurgents in southern Afghanistan, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

He is the fourth member of 40 Commando to be killed in as many days in the Sangin district of Helmand province.

The serviceman was conducting a security patrol to reassure locals when the firefight broke out on Wednesday.

A total of 303 UK service personnel have now been killed in Afghanistan since the conflict began in 2001.

Jamaican police said they captured alleged drug kingpin Christopher "Dudus" Coke.

What is the betting that at his trial a link is generated to Hugo Chavez. More demonisation before the US steal Venezuela`s oil.

`Editor’s Note: Georg Hodel, who died Sunday after surgery in a Swiss hospital, was a courageous journalist with the tenacity to dig into complex and difficult stories that scared away many other reporters – and he paid a career price for his bravery.`
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/062210b.html

"More demonisation before the US steal Venezuela`s oil."

Sure. Any time now.

McChristal offered to resign because he had embarrassed his Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama. That is a separate question from whether the war is falling apart. I imagine that he will be swiftly replaced. The USA is not likely to do a deal with the Pashtun and withdraw if there is any chance of Al-Qaeda getting back into Afghanistan, so any deal would have to include the Pashtun clamping down on the Taleban - if they could. I am content to leave Shahzad's fate to Judge Miriam Cedarbaum.

`Media Disinformation: The Demonization of Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez`
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19855

`“The general’s staff is a handpicked collection of killers, spies, geniuses, patriots, political operators, and outright maniacs. There’s a former head of British Special Forces, two Navy Seals, an Afghan Special Forces commando, a lawyer, two fighter pilots and at least two dozen combat veterans and counterinsurgency experts. … they pride themselves on their can-do attitude and their disdain for authority."`

`For good measure, Hastings adds a troubling vignette. Someone apparently called his attention to what Hastings calls “a piece of suspense fiction” written by McChrystal for the literary magazine at West Point while he was studying there. Hastings includes a description of the short story:`

“The unnamed narrator appears to be trying to stop a plot to assassinate the President. It turns out, however, that the narrator himself is the assassin, and he’s able to infiltrate the White House: ‘The President strode in smiling. From the right coat pocket of the raincoat I carried, I slowly drew forth my 32-caliber pistol…I had succeeded.’”
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/062210d.html

McChrystal has stepped aside, replaced by Petraeus, and a video of Obama's speech is now available:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJaApTr5Onw

We are no better. The Coalition just put VAT up to 20% to pay for the war in Afghanistan. Very similar figure.

Surprise, surprise, there's a letter from a small group of Afghan Christians here:

http://barnabasfund.org/%20/?m=7%23227&a=1728

"The Afghan Parliament, Senate, Religious Council and Islamic Parties and leaders made statements that the Afghan Government has to search, find, arrest, deliver to courts and execute all Afghan Christians, and the Christian NGOs and Organization have to be stopped too. University students protested against Afghan Christians in Kabul and Herat Provinces, and the Afghan Government also made a statement that all Afghan Christians will be arrested and executed, and the Christian NGOs and Organizations which involved with the issues of conversion will be closed.

"Mr. Mujajdi the Chairman Of Afghan Senate said that if the Afghan Government does not take serious action, he and other Islamic leaders will call and request the Afghan people to take practical measures to kill all Afghan Christians.

"President Karzai himself showed his personal interest in this regard and said that all Afghan Christians will be arrested and executed and Christian organizations which are involved with this issue will be stopped. He ordered the Afghan security organs to take serious measure in this regard. The Afghan Home Minister and the Chairman of the Afghan Intelligence told to the Afghan Parliament that 4 Afghan Christian individuals and one family are arrested and they are under investigation, 13 NGO are recognized and suspended, names of the Afghan Christians are listed and the Afghan Intelligence agency is trying to arrest them. Two Church organizations by the names of WCA and NCA are closed."

So there we have it. Karzai isn't just corrupt, he's also a genocidal goatf***er like the rest of them.

I say, pull the troops out of at least Pashtunistan and let them kill Mujadidi and Karzai, and scorch the earth as they go.

What is it with the phrase, 'silly gooses'? It seems to appear recurrently on various blog-sites. Angrysoba, you use it occasionally, I note. And Larry uses it as well. And what about the prolonged vowel strings?

Could this be a conspiracy of the ornithological kind? Everyone knows that birds are descended from dinosaurs.

Gog and Magog and Bogey Gog are cummin to get ya.

Don't say you weren't warned!

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Aw shucks.

Just love those guys.

Silly goooses.....

I have found it annoying also. It is a deliberate putdown - we are stupid, silly, etc

Some memory of Yiddish in their lexicon?

Subject: "Only in MY family..."

I will respond to [Dovid Braun's] challenge. In my family a child who
fooled around, acted silly, etc., could be called "a silly gazinkas..."
After Yiddish speakers assured me there was no such word in Yiddish (and
it certainly isnt in English), I decided it was a family word made up in
the following way: On the pattern of English "silly goose", the Yiddish
word gants (well known in the family in the expression 'gants gut, kachke
besser'-- we tried to be funny in Yiddish even with minimal language
skills) was given the *Lithuanian* suffix -inkas, actually an agent
suffix like English -er in pisher (:-)). My zeyde certainly knew
Lithuanian, and even moderate contact with the language would familiarize
one with this very common suffix. (The Lith word for goose is 'zha:sis,
so the whole word 'gazinkas' isnt Lith.) The combining of a Yiddish
word with a Lith suffix would contribute to the humorous effect in the
whole context. My mother's generation, with much less linguistic
sophistication than my zeyde, dropped the first 'n', and *ganzinkas
became gazinkas. Anyway, I'd really be surprised and delighted if this
turned out to NOT be a family word!

http://mendele.commons.yale.edu/updated/vol04/vol04.157.txt

Analysis by the BBC's Orla Guerin on Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles' departure.

"Straight-talking UK envoy's future in doubt".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/10398591.stm

Is there a Union of Ex UK Ambassadors?

It would be interesting to know what Cowper-Coles got up to during his stint in Israhell. We probably will never know.

I suppose 'vehicle accident' is MODspeak for 'blown up'. Lt Col Carr Smith is at risk of repeating his platitudes this week.

Four soldiers dead in Afghanistan
Page last updated at 09:50 GMT, Thursday, 24 June 2010 10:50 UK

Four British soldiers have been killed in a vehicle accident in Afghanistan, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

The soldiers, part of a police advisory team, were killed near Gereshk, Helmand province, on Wednesday evening.

They were part of a team that was travelling to help in an incident at a nearby check point when they died.

Lt Col James Carr-Smith, said: "They will be sorely missed and their actions will not be forgotten." Their next of kin have been informed of their deaths.

Three soldiers were from 1st Battalion The Mercian Regiment and one soldier was from 1st Battalion The Yorkshire Regiment, who was attached to 1st Battalion The Mercian Regiment, died in Nahr-e Saraj.

Their deaths mean the total number of soldiers killed in Afghanistan since 2001 stands at 307.

silly 'goose' meaning simpleton c1540 English. Probably relates to the 'silly' or foolish old-English game of follow the leader on horse-back resembling a flock of wild geese - hence the term 'wild goose chase'

http://www.etymonline.com

Wow this is a great resource.. I’m enjoying it.. good article

automated 4X - that's nice. Tell us about yourself ?

Interesting, 'somebody'. On the other hand:

"Geese are commonly described as silly, as in the proverb that "it is a silly goose that comes to the fox's sermon".[1] The phrase "silly goose" is of some antiquity, as the Old English word seely was commonly applied to animals such as sheep and geese, indicating their careless innocence and hapless but blessed nature..." (from Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose

Does this share an etymological origin with the Anglo-Saxon word, 'saelig' ('holy') which led to the phrase, 'Silly Sussex' ('The Holy Land of the South Saxons')?

Yet it is the use of 'gooses' instead of 'geese' which fascinates one. There is the suggestion of incoordination, of even greater stupidity, in the word, 'gooses', it suggests dyspraxia, and of course, there's the alliterative effect of the multiple 's'.

Nonetheless, it has an affectionate ring. One wonders if it may be the sort of thing an old grandmother would say to a fond grandchild.

But does this have an NYC ring to it? Perhaps that links-in somehow with your analysis of the phrase. Maybe we should get Noam Chomsky onto it!

gooses ? I read it as a deliberate wrongness intended to convey contempt, "you're not even worth speaking sensibly to".

Note that Craig Murray has referred to 911 truthers as "conspiraloons."

The war falls apart. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq - havoc created by NATO et al. That is what is important. That is what this thread is about. War economics. Imperialism. Blood. Death. In our names, with our tax dollars/ pounds/ Euros. By our (elected) leaders.

The war is killing civilians at an alarming rate. Truth. The war makes big profits for rich people and their corporations. Truth. It is in the interests of these people and their corporation to obscure these basic facts. Truth. They will employ all manner of disinformative tactics in order to permit them to continue to prosecute the wars on which their wealth is dependent. Truth. Most people now see this. Truth. It is about being steeped in the blood of millions. Truth.

The war is killing civilians at an alarming rate. Truth. The war makes big profits for rich people and their corporations. Truth. It is in the interests of these people and their corporation to obscure these basic facts. Truth. They will employ all manner of disinformative tactics in order to permit them to continue to prosecute the wars on which their wealth is dependent. Truth. Most people now see this. Truth. It is about being steeped in the blood of millions. Truth.

war is killing civilians at an alarming think you need a bit more of a story with this as this isn't really a news story in its current form. Perhaps you could write about why you like Michael so much?

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