I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Just read this analysis which supports, with much new technical detail (well, new at least to me…) the critical questions asked above about Boeing’s corporate culture in relation to aviation safety, and its ethics, as a corporation:
https://www.satcom.guru/2019/10/flawed-assumptions-pave-path-to-disaster.html#more
Almaty crash – 27 December 2019
Fokker 100 Crashed on take off
President Volodymyr Zelensky has called on the public to abstain from speculating about what may have caused a Ukrainian airliner to crash in Iran.
It may be just a terrible coincidence that 160 plus people have died in an American built aircraft, leaving Iran for Ukraine at the same time as Iran is striking American bases in the Middle East.
This could become a mystery like MH17
Ukraine aircraft crashes in Iran, soon after take off.
Ukraine’s embassy in Tehran and Iranian state television both initially said technical issues caused the crash.
But the embassy later removed this statement and said any comment regarding the cause of the accident prior to a commission’s inquiry was not official.
Maybe 170 dead, including a few U.K. people.
Things quite bad for Boeing
“The release of a batch of internal messages has raised more questions about the safety of Boeing’s 737 Max.
In one of the communications an employee said the plane was “designed by clowns”.
The plane maker described the communications as “completely unacceptable”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51058929
One unnamed employee wrote in an exchange of instant messages in April 2017:
“This airplane is designed by clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys.”
July 2020 – new date for Max to fly, again.
Boeing has been working on fixes to try to get the 737 Max planes back up and running.
But the company has struggled to convince regulators that the planes are safe to fly?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51200118
The jet has been grounded since March after two fatal crashes, which together killed 346 people.
Boeing shares dropped by more than 5% on Tuesday as word of the delay started to spread, prompting the New York Stock Exchange to temporarily halt trading until the company’s formal update.
Boeing engaged in corporate suicide, on this analysis by MoA:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/new-boeing-ceo-calhoun-promises-to-create-a-bigger-mess.html#more
Boeing’s crisis-hit 737 Max jetliner faces a new potential safety issue as debris has been found in the fuel tanks of several new planes which were in storage, awaiting delivery to airlines.
The head of Boeing’s 737 programme has told employees that the discovery was “absolutely unacceptable”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51499777
You don’t say.
Fuel tank FOD is not a new problem for Boeing:
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-tanker-jets-grounded-due-to-tools-and-debris-left-during-manufacturing/
Learning from previous issues is central to aviation safety, but seems to have dropped out of Boeing’s corporate culture.
Now we have disappearing airlines,
partialy because of Coronavirus, all airlines currently struggling.
I bet Boeing are struggling, nobody in their right mind is going to buy a new fleet of airliners, untill this thing passes.
A “culture of concealment”, cost cutting and “grossly insufficient” oversight led to two fatal crashes of Boeing 737 Max aircraft that claimed 346 lives, a congressional report has concluded.
The preliminary findings, issued by Democrats on the House transportation committee, conclude that Boeing “jeopardized the safety of the flying public” in its attempts to get the Max approved by regulators.
In a blistering 13-page report the committee found Boeing’s Max design “was marred by technical design failures, lack of transparency with both regulators and customers”.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/06/boeing-culture-concealment-fatal-737-max-crashes-report
What with their terrible actions and this terrible review of their actions, the shutting down of World trade and shutting down of world travel
things do not look rosy for Boeing.
…and another example of what’s been happening at Boeing:
https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers/faa-fines-boeing-for-unapproved-sensors-on-almost-800-737s/137134.article
Peraps suggesdting that the FAA has adopted a zero-toreance stance?
The Donald has made a decree, that no visitors from Europe may fly to America, other than from Ireland or United Kingdom.
This is Coronavirus.
So, even less reason for Boeing to make aircraft.
Nobody in the world will be buying new aircraft unless they are planes for war.
It is quite possible that air travel will not go back to where it was, in the future as more people shame those constant air travellers behaviour, in sucking the life blood out of the worlds resources.
“So even less reason for Boeing to make aircraft”
Well that looks right:
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/as-coronavirus-causes-9-11-type-collapse-in-demand-for-jets-boeing-may-slash-production/
Perhaps Matt Hancock should ask if they could make some respirators for him? Fractionally less daft than asking car makers…
No need any more for a third runway at Heathrow.
I doubt anyone will be flying off to their holidays for the rest of this year.
All airlines will at least technically go bust as will all aircraft manufactures and all airports not with a dual military use.
Very unlikely that World air travel will return to level it was, for an awfully long time, if ever.
I saw a movie a couple of years ago in which pilots and air crew working on board Boeing jets were getting seriously ill. I think the airline was Pan Am who if my memory serves me right used ruthless means in order to conceal a fault with exhaust fumes entering cabin area.The airline was exposed when an investigator took swabs from the cabin area , confirming the presence of highly toxic compounds.Mike Powell documentary “Something in the Air” on BBC sounds also covers this..Apologies for not remembering movie title , will post if i find it.P.
Paul, it’s a real problem, not just in Boeings, and has been around for a long time. First came to prominence in BAe 146 many years ago, and problems have been reported with Boeing, Airbus and Embraer, too, as far as I can recall. Engine bleed air used for cabin ventilation can become contaminated by engine oil or hydraulic fluid leaks – both synthetics with seriously toxic ingredients.
I’m sure I remeber reading that Boeing was introducing a novel ventilation system for the 787 that doesn’t use bleed air, so this threat should be eliminated.Boeing at the right end of aviation safety, in that case….
Thanks Chris, this does ring a bell something about leaking rubber seals, i think Boeing came up with a solution but airlines were slow to impliment it.
I wonder how Boeing are getting along with their iffy 737 MAX?
Boeing Co has reported another 75 cancellations for its 737 MAX jetliner in March, as the coronavirus crisis “weakened” travel demand, hurting global airlines and worsening disruptions from the grounding of Boeing’s best-selling jet.
Tuesday’s news follows an announcement by the United States Treasury Department that the country’s biggest passenger airlines have agreed in principle to a $25bn bailout package.
https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/boeing-suffers-cancellations-737-max-orders-200415014316384.html
The pandemic has forced US planemaker Boeing and European rival Airbus to cut production in the face of plunging demand, cash problems at airlines and logistical difficulties in delivering aircraft.
Boeing, facing a 13-month-old freeze on deliveries of the 737 MAX and now disruption to deliveries of larger planes due to the coronavirus epidemic, said it had delivered 50 planes in the first quarter, barely a third of the 149 seen a year earlier.
Boeing lays off 10% of staff as it reports first-quarter loss of $641. It earned $2.15 billion in the same period last year. Revenue fell 26%, to $16.91 billion.Looks as if only the miltary and space stuff will be left.
https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/boeing-to-cut-10-of-workforce-amid-staggering-641-million-loss-in-first-quarter
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…los of $641M!
Rolls Royce are going to sack thousands of highly skilled workers, as the new aircraft purchasing has come to a halt.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/07/rolls-royce-to-cut-thousands-of-jobs-say-sources
Yet Heathrow are going to appeal against the descision for runway three?
Qatar Airways has warned its employees of “substantial” redundancies as it struggles with a collapse in demand.
Coronavirus: Virgin Atlantic to cut 3,000 jobs and quit Gatwick
BA may not reopen at Gatwick once pandemic passes
so it is down hill for airlines and their staff.
http://worldtruth.tv/mh-17-was-in-fact-the-lost-flight-mh-370/
There is absolutely verified proof that the pilots DID NOT cooperate, and that therefore an Awacs platform had to have been used to jam radar and communications. The absolute proof that the plane was electronically hijacked against pilots will, and that all communications were cut against pilot will came when the co-pilot of flight 370 successfully dialed out to reach his mother when the plane was hijacked and en route to Diego Garcia. The call was picked up by the last tower in Penang on the West Coast of Malaysia. It abruptly cut, but the origin of it being flight 370 has been confirmed. The U.S. denies this, (what else would you expect) but police investigators have confirmed through the Mother´s call records that the call did in fact happen. The call location confirms flight 370 did indeed turn around and head towards Diego Garcia.
The confirmed fact that the pilot used a cell phone at this time, when cell phones are well known to not be able to connect from aircraft except in the most ideal of circumstances serves as verification that the pilots were trying to communicate but could not and exhausted every possible means to contact people on the ground. This kills the “pilots switched off the transponder lie, and also shows that ALL OTHER LIES, such as “the pilots were rendered unconcious by smoke and flew dead stick, and “the pilots cut the radio themselves” and all the other myths as what they are – psy ops launched by the CIA to kill the fact that AMERICA TOOK THAT PLANE. Fate definitely favored the pilot. The call was obviously a last resort effort by the pilot to communicate that worked. MORE
How interesting – the notion that the Malaysian aircraft (MH-17) shot down over Ukraine was the earlier disappeared Malaysian aircraft (MH-370). It certainly seems to fit with the details provided in the linked worldtruth article – an article for which all the pictures and videos are blocked – on my screen at least.
If you can consider the possibility of a time hole then that would explain, perhaps, how the unexplained cargo cult islanders got the watches etc.
There is far more to this than meets the eye. The American base and radars know exactly what happened to this aircraft, and because of there reticence to enlighten anyone of us, are also culpable in its disappearance.
Boeing’s
board of directors must face a lawsuit from shareholders over two fatal crashes involving its 737 Max plane, a U.S.A. judge has ruled.
Morgan Zurn said the first crash was a “Red Flag” about a key safety system on the aircraft
“that the board should have heeded but instead ignored”.
He said the real victims were those who died and their families but investors had also “lost billions of dollars”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58483150
I am shocked this is taking so long.
Personally, I think people should be banged up for criminality.
Another Boeing 737-800 has gone down over China.
Looks like the pilot may get the blame
This is a very strange one, what was in the cargo hold?
Jordan, is of course under the control of the U.S.A. military Industrial Complex, as is Ukraine but how does Serbia factor in, Serbia is supposed to be an ally of Russia but U.S.A. would like to detach Serbia from Russia.
And of course Syria is an ally of Russia.
“The Antonov-12,
operated by a Ukraine-based company, was flying from Serbia to Jordan when it went down on Saturday close to the city of Kavala, Greece”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62195005
The way the Greek Authorities are acting, they think something very dangerous is/was on board.
“Meridian closely cooperates with the UN and NATO on the delivery of urgent cargo, including military and dual-use cargo.”
http://mem.aero/pages/about.html
getting murky.
“There is also speculation as to whether the weapons were not actually destined for Bangladesh at all but for Ukraine. Both Defense Minister Stefanovic and the manager of the Ukrainian company Meridian, which owned the downed plane, have denied this.
But Vuksanovic believes that important questions remain. “The public is owed an answer as to why a Ukrainian plane was transporting Serbian weapons right now, while a major international conflict is raging on Ukrainian territory,” he said.”
https://www.dw.com/en/mystery-plane-crash-were-serbian-weapons-headed-for-ukraine/a-62574069
It could be possible that a certain country could suggest to Bangladesh, that it could be in the interests of Bangladesh to claim that they were the buyers of this cargo of munitions from Serbia.
Strange how it was a Ukraine aircraft with a Ukraine crew, Ukraine being in a war?
Yeysk
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/17/aircraft-crashes-into-russian-residential-building-in-yeysk-city
“Initial reports said the Sukhoi Su-34 jet came down after a fire in one of its engines”
This will be one to watch.
The airfield is about twenty five miles from Ukraine, just over the Sea of Azov
“Russia’s Investigative Committee, which deals with serious crimes, later announced it launched a criminal probe into the crash. “Military investigators are establishing the circumstances and causes of the incident,” it said.
This is a very expensive accident, if it was an accident.
Not that far from the very expensive accident to the Crimea Bridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEIU7do0B_0
This screenshot gives you a glimpse of the airfield at Yeysk
It shows ten Su-34 jets
The two France-based companies went on trial in October to determine their responsibility for the worst aviation disaster in Air France’s history, which left all 228 people on board flight AF447 dead.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230417-french-court-acquits-air-france-airbus-over-2009-rio-paris-crash
Not guilty
Back in 2014, flight MH370 and the 239 on board disappeared.
After years of searching, researchers think that barnacles could help reveal the location of the aircraft.
Apart from a few pieces of debris washed onto an Indian Ocean island, no trace has been found of the plane that vanished with 12 crew and 227 passengers in March 2014. Prof Herbert said “we’ve proven this method can be applied to a barnacle that colonised on the debris shortly after the crash to reconstruct a complete drift path back to the crash origin.”
Clever, if a barnacle’s life can been evaluated through its growth-shell, where the first barnacles attatched, possibly be an indicater of accident location – possibly.