I do not share indignation at fake asylum seekers.
That is the very indignation that was used as a pretext to kick out genuine asylum seekers.
The government don’t have a problem with massive waves of immigrants coming in to to this country. If it did, it wont be kicking out the likes of the Uzbecks. Instead they would negotiate something with the EU, that makes it harder for European Union citizens to come and work here.
Fake asylum seekers are needed for cheap labour. So clean shit from toilets and do every other Job white British people see as beneath them. Fake Asylum seekers do not cause any embarrassment to this country. They do not demonstrate, and March.
They do not work to destabilise friendly dictatorships such as the Karimov one.
All they do is work, and do the jobs we need doing but see as beneath us.
It is the real asylum seekers who are the problem. These real asylum seekers cause problems for real British people who shop at M&S. If Uzbeck cotton wasn’t farmed by enslaved children, how much more would the British shopper have to pay for the cotton undies he buys from M&S?
If Karimov the killer didn’t torture random people picked up from the streets to get them to admit Iraq was full of weapons of mass destruction, the dodgy dossier used to justify the invasion of Iraq would look weaker than it does now.
So indignation is directed at real asylum seekers, fake indignation is directed at fake asylum seekers.
Because even the Nazi BNP and EDL, and every other Nazi group will never demean themselves by doing the Jobs fake asylum seekers do. They Just say they don’t want brown/black faces here, even though they know whites will never be willing to do these jobs that everyone knows needs doing.

Arsalan, I agree with most of what you say. Not so sure that the dodgy dossier could look any weaker than it did when it was first produced and when Dr. David Kelly bravely exposed it for what it was. Ironically it’s thanks to lies from an immigrant, Ahmed Chalabi that there was such a document in the first place. Nobody in government wants to see Chalabi kicked out of this country, but then he’s rich, from money he stole from the Petra Bank in Jordan. These are the immigrants that cause real problems. They slot nicely into position with the right-wing of the Tory party who are also corrupt – and occasionally get caught.

I’m just about to write to my MP on behalf of Mikel and Nina Malyshev.

“Haven’t I done enough already?”
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Obviously not, because they haven’t been granted asylum. What an arsehole of an MP. Which constituency is that?

Arsalan,
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I can assure you that there is no case of fake assylum seekers from Uzbekistan. Even if one comes to the UK not having any troubles in Uzbekistan and claim assylum, then deporting such a person back to Uzbekistan will automatically imprison such a person. As such a person enters not just Uzbekistan but Uzbek Airways plane they are NO FREE anymore. Uzbek authorities are known for their cruelty towards anyone who thins differenly.
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Asylum seekers indeed do not cause any troubles to the society here BUT they are the easiest cathegory of immigrants from which government can claim that immigration is down. As asylum seekers has to be registered with UKBA and also has to provide their address in order to get some financial support (around 30 quid per week as oficially they are NOT allowed to work) it is easy for the UKBA to find and deport such people.
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Those who come to the UK to cause trouble do not usually provide their details and address to the authorities. And as we have seen the most of petty criminals are indeed British nationals themselves.
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One other thing that shows hypocrisy of British government is that those who earn their money by illegal means are generally allowed to settle in the UK getting so called investors visa. Many Russian Oligarchs and those from other parts of former Soviet Union who settled in the UK for good are clear example of such a hypocrisy. British government is not really bothered by how these billions have been earned. And those who come here claim asylum but have no billion quid in their pocket are facing all the mighty power of British immigration system.
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And finally I just wanted to bring it to your attention that your spelling of word Uzbek is INCORRECT.

Arsalan and Uzbek in the UK, I think you are broadly in agreement with one another, that you both despise the Karimov regime.
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If anybody does not have the email addresses of Theresa May and William Hague they are: haguew@parliament.uk and mayt@parliament.uk
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I’ve just emailed them jointly and had difficulty remaining courteous.

Mr Murray,
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It is believed that Clinton’s visit to Uzbekistan is not just to negotiate arms supply BUT the main point is to negotiate establishment of temporary military base in Uzbekistan (probably in the same K2) that in term will be used as a major route of supply and also when US starts to pull out of Afghanistan will be used as a major backyard of US military forces.
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There also some rumours that all these is causing great deal of troubles to bloody Karimov from China and Russia. It is believed that Russia is even considering a regime change in Uzbekistan but China is not supporting this idea as they are more concerned with possible instability in the region.
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It is also rumoured that bloody Karimov is going to get not just few rotten US military equipment and raffles but also few billions from the US for his cooperation. Some in Uzbek government and their underlings already calling this leverage of cooperation.

Zionist-in-the-UK

Have a good look at what I write. I’m sure you will find many more spelling mistakes if you try.

When it comes to Uzbek asylum seekers. The very fact that they are applying for asylum is trouble for the government. This is because the government has declared Karimov the Zionist protector of freedom, democracy and human rights.

Thank you John.

This government has never really considered torture, disappearances, execution with out trial and child slavery as human rights abuses.
They have always been been different styles and means available to UK allies to safe guard freedom, democracy and human rights.
That or the government will claim that work that the issue has been resolved and will not be repeated every time enough evidence comes to light that it is still happening.

Arsalan the stupid
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Are you now declaring that all dictators in the world are Zionists? Cooperation with Karimov is out of necessity and nothing more. I bet that some in White House and Department of State will give up their left nut to see Karimov being replaced but being located in Central Asia (between Russia and China) and having grip on power Karimov is untouchable to them.
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However; it is true that there are some string links between Karimov and Israel. But he is no Zionist and the only thing he cares is his own ass and how to keep in on the throne.

Ashamed to be British? Yes. Britain is a fascist state.
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Another case of UK Border Agency inhumanity here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-15366632
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PS Will write to Hague and May about the couple being deported to Uzbekistan FWIW. Last time I wrote to Hague I received no reply or acknowledgement.

Zionist-in-the-UK

I am sure your last post against me will not be deleted in the way many of mine against you were deleted.

Calling Karimov a Zionists, is calling that individual dictator a Zionists.
But you have used a classic Zionist tactic of of twisting my words.
A classic tactic used to shut people out whenever they mention Israel, your lord and master in unfavourable terms.

Whatever Karimovs motives of being a Zionists. A Zionist is what he is.
He is a friend of Israel and Israel is a friend of his.

I really don’t have a much of a problem with you declaring his motivation for being a Zionist is to safe guard his dictatorship.
Many dictatorships are declared democracies by America due to their friendship with Israel.
And many democracies are declared dictatorships due to their disagreements with Israel.

You mentioned what you state as Karimovs motivation for being a Zionist Friend of Israel, but you don’t seem to mention Israel’s motivation for being his best friend?
Sending him advisers and torturers to train his thugs in the means and styles of torture Israel has perfected on the Palestinians.

Well my belief of Israel’s motivation is Israel is a murderous tyrannical regime.
So it looks for other murderous tyrants to befriend.
They have no problems with Karimov enslaving kiddies to work his cotton fields. Forced Labour isn’t anything unusual to Israel. The Zionists have made a habit of of forcing Palestinian kiddies to check houses for explosives, or march in front of their soldiers as human shields.
Is there any nation that imports more enslaved women girls than Israel, in to the forced sex trade?

It isn’t surprising that Karimov is declared a democrat and a human rights champion by the people who declare Israel a democracy.

Uzbek, don’t worry about Arsalan’s crazy ramblings. Besides, the word “Zionist” is just a general-purpose word of abuse for him as in, “Oh Zionism! It’s pissing with rain!”

Well, you two can get together if you aren’t the same person.
I call him a Zionist for the same reason I call you one angry. For your unconditional support for Israel and each and every atrocity committed by Israel.

Mary, I got no reply from Hague, last time I wrote. It’s only his dogsbody gets to see your email anyway, unless your voice carries some clout.
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My MP is my best option and I’ve written to him too.

Araslan the stupid,
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I have no problem with you thinking that Karimov is a Zionist but your motivations are clearly unconvincing (to me at least). There are MANY places in the world (in Arab world are the most of them) that have no diplomatic relations with Israel but they are friends of the US and are run by regimes where most of the population is oppressed. For your information US do not recognise Uzbekistan as democracy and in many occasions they have not approved elections of president or parliament in Uzbekistan as being fair or democratic. But US has to deal with Karimov as they have no other choice.
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Karimov indeed has close relationship with Israel but this is based on mostly economic ties (Karimov’s and his thugs’ economic ties) as some current Israeli citizens have been leaving in Uzbekistan in the past and have had close economic ties with Uzbek Mafia. This is all money laundering that is nowadays run on Global scale and guess which country is playing on of the major role in it? It is Arab country called UAE.
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The other side of such close relationship with Israel is that Karimov is in fear of radical Islam. 22 years of bloody rule of Karimov has resulted to total illumination of any kind of secular opposition and the only opposition is Karimov thinks possible in such circumstances can come from radical Islamists. And on this matter Karimov thinks that cooperation with Israel can be useful in intelligence sharing and other preventive measures. Of course HE IS WRONG and time will prove it.
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As for Israelis training Karimov’s thugs to torture people, this is complete nonsense. You are probably forgetting (and I do not blame you as for your intellectual capabilities) that Uzbekistan has long been part of the USSR and Uzbek security services SNB has the best knowledge of torture and oppression that were available to them under KGB (Soviet security service). They are well capable of torturing people without being given any kind of tutorials on this horrible matter. For your information KGB (or NKVD as they were known then) were providing tutorials to Gestapo (Nazi police) on how to gain information under the torture and how to use psychological oppression.

Sent via Twitter 19/10

@WilliamJHague I urge you to stop the deportation of Mikel and Nina Malyshev to probable imprisonment and torture in #Uzbekistan

Uzbek/Arsalan – John is right, you are not so far away from agreement.
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Uzbek – please try to be civil to Arsalan. Repeatedly calling someone stupid is the best way to turn that person, and other people, off from your argument.

These people are going to be TORTURED and IMPRISONED.
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Mods you really could delete the distracting comments.
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Everybody *please* write to their MP.

Jon,
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I have no problems with not calling Arsalan stupid if he stops calling me Zionist. I do not think that expressing my opinion that might be different to his I have deserved to be called Zionist.
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I do not support many wrongdoings of Israeli government and other governments but at the same time I do not think that every sin of humanity can be explained in prism of Zionism. Many troubles of Palestinians Arabs are in my opinion due to the problem of Arabic disunity. There are over 200 million Arabs and they have more troubles with each other than something that unite them. Not understanding that Palestinian problem has to be resolved by pressing US government is one of them. If only Saudis could pressure US to be more supportive towards Palestinians or otherwise buys oil from Venezuela or Russia, but do they have guts to do it? And why always blame Israel if Arabs hate each other.

Arsalan, Uzbek, Jon is right too. It would be better to settle your differences and concentrate on the important matter of saving two people from deportation to a dictatorship where repression and torture are prevalent. Surely you both want that?

In the mean time, in an other part of the … empire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP3oRwXI558

I’ve got a response from William Hague. It just says if you are not a constituent please use one of two links. The one you want is http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/ministerial-feedback-form which allows you to leave a comment.

Vicious, uncaring AND inexplicable.

Consider this- UKBA a few months ago failed in its attempt to deport back to Jamaica an illegal immigrant who claimed, on the flimiest of evidence, to be lesbian, and thus ‘at risk’ from homophobic gangs.

Freedom House (I know it has CIA links, but in this instance its rankings mean something) ranks Jamaica as ‘free’ with a ’2′ score on political freedom & a ’3′ score on civil liberties.

Uzbekistan contrariwise is ranked ‘unfree’ and scores a ’7′ on both political freedom & civil liberties. (countries like the Netherlands are ‘free’ and get a ’1′ on all counts). So how does the immigration tribunal arrive at this seemingly perverse decision to deport the Malyshev’s back to Karimov’s hell hole ?

‘As asylum seekers has to be registered with UKBA and also has to provide their address in order to get some financial support (around 30 quid per week as oficially they are NOT allowed to work) it is easy for the UKBA to find and deport such people.’

I think Uzbek in the UK is onto something here; to UKBA the Malyshev’s are bureaucratic ‘low hanging fruit’.

OldMark,
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The problem with this is in one hand that there is no much information about Uzbekistan in the UK media (any kind of information). There was something in May 2005 and then about child slave labour but nothing major since.
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On the other hand considering British law as law of precedents is it hard to imagine how one can be deported to a country with greater risk of prosecution if another is allowed to stay and has not been deported to another country with less risk. Also there are some other cases where Uzbekistanis were allowed to stay in the UK and were not deported. In it hard to judge on this particular case as we are not aware of details. But one thing is certain that if one deported back to Uzbekistan while claimed asylum this alone can put one at great risk back in Uzbekistan.
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Mr Murray,
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Have Malyshevs exhausted all appeals? Is there any slight possibility of another appeal? Unfortunately, I am pretty sure that emailing to these bureaucrats and asking them to be more human will not be any useful. Is there any chance of appealing to European Court of Human Rights, will this give Malychevs chance to remain in the UK?

“I’ve got a response from William Hague. It just says if you are not a constituent please use one of two links.”
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John Goss, you should get back in touch and tell him you are not inquiring as his “constituent”, you are inquiring as a member of the public to the “Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs”, he has a duty to answer you as that, not as an MP.

Here is something that might be helpful particularly on page 6.

http://www.echr.coe.int/NR/rdonlyres/BB10719C-D747-4862-AE44-8A54D9B316D5/0/ENG_Questions_and_Answers.pdf

Here is something else. Page 10 item 33 in particular http://www.echr.coe.int/NR/rdonlyres/5C53ADA4-80F8-42CB-B8BD-CBBB781F42C8/0/FAQ_ENG_A4.pdf

Thank you Mr Murray.
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It all seems like great conspiracy to me. I am trying to arrange a meeting with my MP. Have Amnesty and HRW been involved? 2 days is not too long. Is there any Human Rights Committee in the Parliament? We shall knock all bloody doors as this is very sad what is going on in this seemingly civilised society.

Uzbek in UK, you make a case for not sending Uzbek emigrants back to Uzbekistan, i.e., that merely by leaving and then being compelled to return, they will surely be victimized by the Uzbek state. But is there evidence to support this argument? And if so, what exactly does this victimization consist in? Imprisonment? Torture? Denial of work? A fine? If any of these things, there must be examples that can be cited as evidence.
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CM does not tell us why Mikel and Nina Malyshev left Uzbekistan in the first place, which makes judging their position difficult. Were they opportunistic economic migrants, or were they fleeing some actual persecution?
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Perhaps it endangers them to be specific about the details of their lives, but surely it is possible to give details of some specific case, so that one can form an idea of the situation that these people face.
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Also one would like to know what the British Government does in such cases, if anything, to follow up to ensure that returned refugee claimants are not abused on their return to Uzbekistan.
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One wonders, also, why these people went to Britain in the first place. Why not Canada, where, if they are as independent and as honest as indicated and if they have a valid reason for fleeing their homeland, they would surely have gained refugee immigrant status.
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In a broader context, the problem of dealing with Uzbekistan as though it were a civilized place arises because we are at engaged in a war for global hegemony. So long as that war continues, I do not see how Britain can avoid dealing with Uzbekistan on the assumption or pretense that it is a civilized place, for Uzbekistan occupies a piece of territory that the global hegemon must control.
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Oddly though, CM is reluctant to indicate the alternative to the war for global empire. He disapproves of Britain’s participation in NATO, which is now closely coordinated with the US in the War for global control, but he has declined to specify an alternative security arrangement for Britain.
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But one must chose. If Britain is not to depend on US/NATO for security, then on what? Should it be the EU with a unified military command, i.e., under German leadership, or Swiss-style national self reliance? There seem to be no other options, unless Britain is to employ what was once proposed by a political party in the Netherlands: a telephone answering machine at the foreign office with the recorded message “we surrender.”

Whatever the reason they left Uzbekistan is not irrelevant. What is relevant and I can assure you that if they are sent back as failed assylum seekers they will be prosecuted and UK government will not be able to do anything about it. Mr Murray has visited few court hearings in Uzbekistan and I am sure that if he is involved then these people genuinly need help.

Canspeccy

For evidence as to what happens to returning refugees in Uzbekistan – please look at the Amnesty International reports on their website, even if you don’t want to believe the accounts og Craig and Uzbek in the UK. They will also make clear why we can do little to ensure the safety of any returned asylum seeker in Uzbekistan.

Even if it is in our stratgic interest to maintain a relationship between the UK and Uzbekistan that doesn’t me we have to kow tow to Karimov – believe me he needs us a lot more than we need him, if only to maintain the lavish lifestyle of him and his family.

“hey will be prosecuted and UK government”
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For what?
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Leaving the country without an exit visa, penalty $5.00?
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Or treason, penalty to be boiled alive?

Craig Murray has demonstrated the nature of the regime in Uzbekistan. He wrote a book on the subject. I am sure – and I trust Craig (and Uzbek-in-the-UK) on this – that Craig would not be protesting this matter if the couple were to be subject merely to a £5 visa penalty by the hideous Karimov regime. I agree with Stephen, Craig and Uzbek-in-the-UK on this; since this matter involves the migration of two people from another country to Britain, in typical fashion, Alfred (‘Canadian Spectator’) seems to be suggesting otherwise. Perhaps Craig should send them to you, Alfred, since as you outlined in previous threads, Victoria, BC is such a wonderfully multiracial place, full of immigrants and their attractive descendants.

Uzbek,
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Regarding your second post on this string, do you have any further information about the postiions of Russia and China re Uzbekistan?
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Thanks

“Craig would not be protesting this matter if the couple were to be subject merely to a £5 visa penalty”
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Oh, I see. If Craig said it, it must be true. Except he didn’t say it.
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What I asked was, what was the prosecution that these people would face. No one has said anything about that, which is why I asked.
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As for the rest of your driveling comment SS, do try to contain your Anglophobic racist hate.

As someone who knows Uzbekistan and its bloody regime i can say the Malyshevs may not be subject to too much scrutiny by uzbek security services as would any other muslims be, unless mr and mrs Malyshev are members of opposition party called Erk. In some sense i should agree with Arsalan in saying that for mr Karimov any practicingi muslim is much more dangerous than a group of opposition party members or other dissidents. Karimov is a mere Islam hater although his name is Islam. For him and his security services a practicing muslim is enemy of state. I have never seen muslims running from predominantly muslim country to avoid prosecutions against them except for Uzbekistan. I would add to Arsalan following words: people are not born zionists these days they are becoming zionists.

“Anglophobic racist hate” Alfred.
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Uhm… how on earth might one surmise that from what I wrote? I don’t hate people, Alfred, especially not based on what nationality they are or skin colour they have.
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And yes, I do trust Craig. Don’t you? if not, why not? On what basis might you mistrust Craig Murray?

@ Voila

“I have never seen muslims running from predominantly muslim country to avoid prosecutions against them except for Uzbekistan.”

I’m afraid you just haven’t looked close enough.

I also know enough about Uzbekistan to know that Karimov’s paranoia and hate expands way beyond practising Moslems – just ask many of the ethnic Russians who were driven out of the Country.

Absolutely, Stephen, there are plenty of Muslims, Christians and others who seek asylum from prosecution or worse in their own countries. I mean, I thought that was common knowledge.

Why is Sir Stephen Lander (ex DG of MI5) involved in the SIAC deportation case of Katia Zatuliveter ?
By wtwuon September 27, 2011 9:32 PM
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The Daily Mail (on Sunday) recently reported:
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Conflict of interest row as ex-MI5 chief rules on fate of Russian ‘spy’, accused of using her job in Parliament to snoop on Britain
By Robert Verkaik 25th September 2011
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A former head of MI5 is at the centre of a row over his role in deciding whether a young Russian woman accused of using her job in Parliament to spy on Britain should be sent back to her home country.
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Sir Stephen Lander, the former director-general of the security service, is to sit on a panel of judges who will rule on whether Katia Zatuliveter should be deported.
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Miss Zatuliveter, 25, who worked for Liberal Democrat MP Mike Hancock, was arrested last year, reportedly on the orders of MI5.
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Sir Stephen was once responsible for combating Russia’s spy threat and his appointment to the special immigration panel to hear Miss Zatuliveter’s case next month has prompted accusations of bias.
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If a British citizen was facing a similar secret tribunal in a foreign country, one of whose members was the former head of their national counter-intelligence service, what would the British government do about it ?
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https://p10.secure.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/ssl/spyblog/2011/09/27/why-is-sir-stephen-lander-ex-dg-of-mi5-involved-in-the-siac-deportation-case-of.html

PS. I read today that Mike Hancock MP has resigned from the Defence Committee.
{http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15371447}
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MP Hancock quits role over ‘spy’ affair
Mr Hancock is the MP for Portsmouth South Continue reading the main story
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A Liberal Democrat MP who had an affair with an aide accused of being a Russian spy has resigned from his post on the defence select committee.
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Mike Hancock was named during the case of Katia Zatuliveter, accused of starting an affair with him because she saw him as politically influential.
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She denies spying and is fighting her deportation at the Special Immigration Appeals Commission.
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Mr Hancock said the committee should be allowed to work unimpaired by the case.
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The Lib Dem MP for Portsmouth South resigned in a letter to the Lib Dems’ chief whip Alistair Carmichael, on Tuesday morning.

Stephen,
Believe me ethnic russians in uzbekistan are much better off than indigineous muslim population. Karimov’s wife is half russian and half, well, self declared “chosen” ethnicity, if you know who i mean. The whole business, cotton sale, gold, gas and uranium operations are in the hands of the family. The uzbek first lady controls and manipulates with her husband’s position. And guess what, she does not speak uzbek, neither do daughters, potential candidates for ruling in uzbekistan. Go to any government office in Tashkent or uzbek embassies overseas you will come across with russian beauracrats or russified uzbeks.

Yarl’s Wood sounds pretty grim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarl%27s_Wood_Immigration_Removal_Centre

I can’t find any info about this case online – is there anything (apart from this)?

How Hywel Francis voted on key issues since 2001 (from @theyworkforyou.com):

Voted strongly for a stricter asylum system.

Voted very strongly for allowing ministers to intervene in inquests.

Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war.

Voted very strongly for introducing ID cards.

Voted very strongly for Labour’s anti-terrorism laws.

Hywel’s claimed ‘expenses’ for 2008/2009 were £161,464, making him 161st out of 647. Evidently, Hywel is less lethargic when it comes to sprinting for the trough than he is when it comes to saving Uzbek lives….. you can email this complacent oaf at:

francish@parliament.uk

I wish I was his constituent, just so that I could not vote for the bastard.

@Voila

I’m sure that my ethnic Russian friends who were driven out of Tashkent by Karimov’s thugs will be relieved to know that there were otehrs who were treated even worse.

As for governemnt offices in Tashkent, and other major cities, being full of russified Uzbeks – well I think you may find that is because those cities are full of russified Uzbeks. Anyone who has actaully been there will know that is the case. Much as you might want to reverse it – being a member of the Russian empire for so long has had an impact – and most Uzbeks have moved a long way from the fundamentalist model of Islam. Uzbekistan is not the same as Afghanistan or Pakistan.

Voila,
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You are mistaken in your thoughts that Karimov prosecutes only Muslims. It is true that he has particular fear of radical and militant Islam but his oppression does not apply to any particular ethnic or religious group but to whole Uzbekistanis.
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Canspeccy,
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Few months back former Uzbek citizen 63 years old called Yuri Korepanov has been imprisoned for 15 years in Uzbek prison charged with three criminal offences. First was that when he left Uzbekistan to Russia he left it illegally although he was given permission to leave Uzbekistan (was awarded exit visa). Second was that when he came to visit some of his relatives and friends in Uzbekistan he entered Uzbekistan with his Russian passport which he was given as he was recognised as Russian citizen years ago. Uzbekistan does not recognise dual citizenship and Korepanov was charged with citizenship offence since it is crime in Uzbekistan holding second citizenship while remaining Uzbek citizen (to add here that it is virtually impossible to give up Uzbek citizenship). Third and most serious offence was that he was branded traitor and changed for treason. Since he was military man in the past (although in his last years in Uzbekistan he was just a tutor in Military academy) he has betrayed military secrets to Russians.
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Few months later due to pressure from Putin himself Korepanov was pardoned by Karimov and released from prison but he cannot leave Uzbekistan as now Uzbek authorities do not grant him exit visa due to criminal offence.
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This might helpo you to see the wider picture of Karimov’s brutality http://nadejda-atayeva-en.blogspot.com/2011/02/absurd-verdict-uzbekistan-has-convicted.html

What does it matter whether karimov only tortured Muslims, which is obviously not the case, whats important is that this deportation is carried out against the Governments own benmchmarks, who knows, they might even have acted on behalf of the regime.
Richard Bacon MP has got my message!

Uzbeck,
for you the practicing muslims are the same as radical or militant? Can you give me definition of a muslim? Is it because smn’s name is Islam Karimov, or Salih Murad, etc? Or is it because smn practices his religion within certain rules? Can you also give me definition of radical? I have friends in Tashkent whose relatives are imprisoned to long term sentences just because they gathered and did islamic rituals together after one of their friend’s wife gave a birth to a boy.

Craig,
I did not say I do not care because they are not muslims. I said if they were muslims they would definitely get tortured without a question.

Stephen,
You will not find any ethnic russian in notorious prisons of Uzbekistan where prisoners are tortured to death by beating and boiling. That’s fact. Another note, you are almost making a racist claim by saying if you are russified then you have moved away from being undeveloped. I am russian, and believe me I have seen many uzbecks who do not speak russian, but are much more civilized and smart than some russians, english or other so called civilized paople. Pls keep your arrogant comments about others within your home.

Voila,
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Can I please bring to your attention that your spelling of the word Uzbek is incorrect.
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Where have you seen in my posts that I call all Muslims and particularly those in Uzbekistan radial or militant. Most of Uzbek Muslims (unlike Saudis or Pakistanis) practice moderate version of Sufi Islam. However; you cannot deny that there are certain radical Islamist in Uzbekistan and in Central Asia in general and most of them bring their version of Islam from abroad (the same Saudi Arabia or Pakistan). But these are in very tiny (comparatively to population) minority.
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Uzbek government, as I mentioned may times, is overreacting to the treat of militant Islam and they are doing so intentionally. After 9/11 it has become easy for Karimov and alike to brand anyone as militant radical Islamist and torture them or put them into prison. Many of those who are in Jaslyk (Nazi style prison in Karakalpakstan region) are in fact moderate Muslims but who probably at some point branded government as kafirs or agreed to the claims (mostly by Hizb ut Tahrir) that Islamic Khalifat should replace Karimov’s government.

Voila

You clearly don’t know what you are talking about and you then compound the error by saying that I made claims that I patently didn’t. Please learn to read and then do some reading on what is really going on Uzbekistan rather than repeating yopur mindless drivel.

Is Voila actually Arsalan? Arsalan, are you Voici, or Voila?

Craig, why are Mikel and Nina Malyshevs are being deported back to Uzbekistan? I tried to find out more about them and what they might have done/said but could find anything.