Balls attacks Universal Benefits

by craig on June 4, 2013 9:54 am in Uncategorized

New Labour’s “Big idea” is to cut winter fuel allowance for wealthy pensioners, thus saving £100 million a year, or 0.08% of the annual deficit. This is plainly irrelevant, but is given such prominence because the media have to maintain the fiction of significant policy differences between the three neo-con parties, and because at the same time we are supposed to get used to, in the words of Johann Lamont, New Labour’s opposition to the “Something for nothing society”, otherwise known as benefits for the needy.

In my own family, pensioners who would already be entitled to pension credit do not get it because they will not apply; they see the basic state pension as an entitlement to which they paid in their working lives, but anything means tested as charity to relieve poverty, the idea of which they find demeaning after a lifetime of work. I understand their attitude and find it, at root, noble.

I cannot understand why this country is unable to produce a single unified tax system, under which those with far too much money are relieved of a significant portion of it, ordinary folk pay reasonable taxes and those without enough money, including the unemployed, underemployed and pensioners, receive enough money for their needs, including looking after their children or personal care. A single, unified form every resident fills that removes stigma and removes overpayment, underpayment and the obscenity of the super-rich tax dodgers.

Meanwhile the odious Balls plans to find £100 million from pensioners while planning to blow that 1,000 times over and blow $100 Billion on the entirely worthless Trident missile system. Anybody who believes New Labour is the answer to any of our problems is certifiable.

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  1. Well said sir.

    What Balls has done is attacked the idea of universality that was ushered in by the postwar Atlee government.

    What’s next? Rich ill people being banned from using the NHS.

    Today’s Labour hierarchy has well and truly waved goodbye to the principles on which it was founded.

  2. I cannot understand why this country is unable to produce a single unified tax system, under which those with far too much money are relieved of a significant portion of it, ordinary folk pay reasonable taxes and those without enough money, including the unemployed, underemployed and pensioners, receive enough money for their needs, including looking after their children or personal care. A single, unified form every resident fills that removes stigma and removes overpayment, underpayment and the obscenity of the super-rich tax dodgers.

    Institutional corruption and public apathy.

    Ne mutlu Türküm diyene….

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/45849/taksim-square-protests-13-photos-showing-severity-of-the-protests

  3. I see Balls will be attending the Bilderberg meeting in Watford in a few days time. Other attendees include George Osborne, Peter Mandelson and Henry Kissinger.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10095943/Osborne-Clarke-and-Balls-to-attend-Bilderberg-Group-meeting.html

  4. Alan Campbell

    4 Jun, 2013 - 10:45 am

    Vote Lib Dem, ‘eh Craig?

  5. Agenda21 & Common Purpose are at work. Draining citizens. Making believe that closing everything down is the answer when it obviously is not. Balls will b attending the Bildeberg meeting at Grove Hotel Watford. If u want info/updates on this no longer secret meeting of the powerful (bankers/media/politicians/royals) who sit & callously decide OUR fate then check out infowars/B.

  6. why this country is unable to produce a single unified tax system, under which those with far too much money are relieved of a significant portion of it, ordinary folk pay reasonable taxes and those without enough money, including the unemployed, underemployed and pensioners, receive enough money for their needs, including looking after their children or personal care. A single, unified form every resident fills that removes stigma and removes overpayment, underpayment and the obscenity of the super-rich tax dodgers.

    Clearly I need to start with the birds and the bees story; once upon a time ……

    The rich who sponsor the political lickspittles, are only concerned about themselves and their wealth. Further these rich whom do not use the civic amenities; buses, social services, benefits, etc. do not see any reason that compels them to be contributing towards these social services. So far as the rich can see, anyone with a bit of a get up and go, can make it, and become rich too. Thus we the people who are not rich, is our fault, because we are all lazy wankers sitting on our butts and expecting to take their money away from them (not the fact that they have nicked all the money and there is none/sweet fuck all left for anyone of us to get at).

    Hence the current mess, and fiasco of taxation, whereupon 75 percent of the taxes are met by the 99 percent of the people, and twenty five percent by the 1 percent remaining (the rich), this iniquitous taxation burden on the rich really annoys them and they want to ensure that they pay only their one percent and get twenty four more percent out of the ordinary people.

    The only trouble with the above model is; short of reintroduction of the slavery* this model is unworkable, however, Balls and the rest of wankers will be pontificating change in the long tradition of shifting the taxation from the rich onto the poor. This trend has been under-way since 1930s. Then the taxation was 75 percent from rich (corporates and the stinking rich) and twenty five percent from the people, now it is upside down and still not enough so far as the rich are concerned. Further if they are taxed too much they will all leave (I wish the fuckers would sling their hooks already) has been the fear of the politicians. This they fear will end their (politicians) sponsorship and thus their tickets for the free ride is vanished.

    Anybody who believes New Labour is the answer to any of our problems is certifiable.

    This statement is not entirely correct, because it does not reflect the reality. It ought to read:

    Anybody who believes New Labour any of the current shower/fuckers/our dear leaders/ politicos is the answer to any of our problems is certifiable.

    * as it stands 75 pence of every pound that we spend is paid as interest (the rich didn’t get where they are here today without sinning their way through usury). Then there are the taxes to be deducted, leaving a few pence out of every pound to be spent by we the lazy fucking poor.

  7. Balls might more usefully look at non-pensioners – over-60′s who are still working. Universality ensured that WFP was made to all over-60′s, not just pensioners. Though it’s surely helpful, many don’t need it. Legislation on the obscene profits made by energy companies operating in the UK (and owned elsewhere) would achieve the desired result for everyone,/i>, in any case.

  8. Institutional corruption and public apathy.

    You must be fucking Kidding, oh your lizardship. Apathy?

    Mr Cameron pledged to dismantle the “conveyor belt to radicalisation” in Britain with Coalition plans to target schools, universities, prisons and the internet.

    the Prime Minister suggested it was necessary to understand the root causes of extremism and that more needed to be done to tackle them.

    “We need to dismantle this process at every stage – in schools, colleges, universities, on the internet, in our prisons, wherever it is taking place.”

    This how they get away with it

  9. Policies for which Balls recieved praise from no less a disparate pairing as … Tonybee and Guido.

    I just laugh at Nu Lab. Assange maintains that the Australian Labour Party has been infiltrated since the 70′s, and one can only presume it’s the same with the UK version. I quite honestly pay very little attention to anything emanating from the front ranks of the Labour Party, and haven’t done in about a decade, if not more. It’s obvious what they are, and I wish more people realised it: they are, like the US Democrats, the other Business Party, if perhaps the slightly more liberal version (though, perhaps not even more liberal).

    It’s a racket, simples. And yet another Nu Lab heavy positioning himself for either leadership (I remain of the view that Ed Millipede will never be PM), or Chancellor duties, and doing so by means of an audition aimed at the real powers in the UK (hint: it’s not the electorate) – well that’s just depressing. And of course we’ve been here before …

  10. Fedup

    Actually that statement was entirely correct, and your amendment shows you believe that. What you actually meant was “This statement is entirely correct, but insufficient”.
    I knew some good would come of those logic lessons in my Philosophy classes!

  11. Is it apathy, or is it deliberately kept complicated so that your brain remains in a confused maze, while they run little circles, or big circles even (with ever increasing zero’s at the end of their net worth) from outside the maze. In other words, keep you googled.

  12. Sorry, please add question marks at the end of both sentences.

  13. O/T (but as the last comment mentioned Assange I’m taking the liberty)

    Assange Statement on the First Day of Manning Trial
    http://wikileaks.org/Assange-Statement-on-the-First-Day.html

    That man can write! Did anyone else read his review of Google honchos Eric Schmidt and Jared Cohen’s book The New Digital Age? A treat for all who are aghast at the very idea of the surveillance abuses made possible by Google Glass:

    The Banality of ‘Don’t Be Evil’
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/opinion/sunday/the-banality-of-googles-dont-be-evil.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  14. Thanks Arbed.

    (As an aside, its worth mentioning that the Ardin lie thread is still live and continues to weave itself tirelessly. Link: http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-7/#comments )

  15. “This statement is entirely correct, but insufficient”.

    I stand corrected.

    I knew some good would come of those logic lessons in my Philosophy classes!

    Indeed (thanks for the smile Craig).

    =======

    Meanwhile back at the ranch and pursuant to; This how they get away with it.

    The following says it all.

    Could you feed your family for a tenner a week?

    As reports show that half a million Britons are relying on food banks to eat, we take a look at one radical plan to keep fed for an awful lot less.

    More than half a million people in Britain are relying on food banks to ……..

    But how low can you realistically cut your food bill without compromising your health? I decided to find out by following the example of Jack Monroe.

    .. Jack launched a blog – A Girl Called Jack – where she chronicled her efforts to cook good wholesome food for herself and her child, despite her small budget.

    This is off the charts, a single mum (supposedly, the target demographic) sets up a domain through Domains by proxy (remains anonymous on the internet to you and I) and then proceeds to use the photocopier salesman techniques, or the inverse of the energy suppliers “Savings” in the off fuckwits website who are too busy telling us all to change suppliers so that our energy bills can go lower.

    In photocopier salesman technique the huge amounts of lease is divided into the second and minutes and the client is told; “this machine will cost you only pennies per five minutes”. As Jack does:

    When Jack prices up her dishes, she only factors in the cost of the specific amount she used. So if a 750ml bottle of economy red wine cost £3.48 but she only uses 30mls, she’ll price that up at 14p.

    The erroneous and utter bollocks of buying 30 mls of wine from the supermarket, and not paying the £3.48 pence aside, on goes the charade: “She paid 5p for one carrot”.

    Needless to point out the single mum through her “frugal” and “imaginative” recipes has managed to land a £25000 book deal, and win the adoration of every fascist tosspot for proving that everyone is a winner in the current austere UK, and no need for any of the namby-pamby food bank clients (more than 500,000) who have never had it so good.

    PS. note the authors shopping bill coming to £7.29 which leaves a whole lot of £ 2.71 for the rest of the week’s shopping. Just dunchyou love the smell of bullshit in the morning?

  16. Flaming June

    4 Jun, 2013 - 12:58 pm

    Any Bilderbergers involved here?

    Charity Commission may not be ‘fit for purpose’, MPs say
    Public Accounts Committee chairwoman Margaret Hodge: “We are extremely concerned”

    MPs have questioned whether the UK’s charity regulator is fit for purpose, after it failed to spot a charity apparently set up for tax avoidance.

    A report by the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) said the Charity Commission did not carry out sufficient checks on the Cup Trust charity.

    [..]

    ‘The Cup Trust was given charitable status by the commission in 2009.

    The PAC said it then received £176m in income, but gave away just £55,000 to charitable causes.

    The trust’s sole trustee was a company called Mountstar – based in the British Virgin Islands and whose directors were already known to UK authorities as being involved in tax avoidance.

    In the meantime, The Cup Trust tried to claim gift aid of £46m, money that otherwise should have been paid to the government in tax.

    And although the Charity Commission began to investigate the Trust in March 2010, it has still not published a report.

    But the Commission explained that it had been unable to de-register the trust, because it was legally structured as a charity.

    Ms Hodge said the trust’s purpose “was to avoid tax”.’

    [..]

    No names revealed. The BBC are being coy.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22758191

  17. Keith Crosby

    4 Jun, 2013 - 1:08 pm

    Who needs the EDF and BNP with fascist filth like Balls strutting about like a decent person?

  18. Villager, 12.16pm

    Thanks, Villager. O/T again (sorry, but this is so important for anyone and everyone who cares about press freedom and the public’s right to know, so Craig’s blog is a good place to try to get this information the attention it deserves).

    Techdirt 31/5/13: Bradley Manning Accused Of Aiding [Classified Enemy]:
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130531/02593523270/bradley-manning-accused-aiding-classified-enemy.shtml#comments:

    We know whose name goes in those square brackets, don’t we?

  19. If the wealth of currency came back from the Fiat side – {mega global wealth funds) is tje possible outcome inflation?

    I see there is a slight movement into domestic markets fo asset buying and ,materialism.

    As you say all wealth movement is restricted to materialism and asset buying, heating fuel is an asset.

    What we want is money coming down here to be made to work for the people.

    Improved health care and solid investment.

    Shit it is only paper!

  20. BrianFujisan

    4 Jun, 2013 - 2:57 pm

    Well Said indeed Craig… Heart breaking the way the richest treat the rest of us.

    Fedup, Thanks For That ( Feed your family for a tenner ) Post. And there was me thinking you couldn’t make that shit up

    One can pick up a tidy wee washing machine for say £250, But if a family is really pushed to make ends meet, they will have to pay £520 – at £10 per week – over 52 weeks.
    My daughter was telling me this story, of a company called UK homemaker, going from door to door in the poorest parts of Inverclyde, offering family’s items from a catalogue, which they then pay up…
    Souless preying on the poor

  21. A squid can change colours to match its surroundings. Maybe we will see a coalition of flavour-less Quavers consisting of foaming Tories, fickle LibDevils and Nu-Labour colour-squids standing against pork-scratching BNP/UKIP?EDL. At least you will know what you’re eating with the latter by the hairs.

  22. “I cannot understand why this country is unable to produce a single unified tax system..” We already have such a system. Income tax plus social security, and a largely free NHS. We just need to get it to work better. But threatening to take £100 million from fat cats is foolish, IMO. Adding 1p to higher rate tax or scrapping nuclear weapons to improve infrastructure, or scrapping bureaucrats from the NHS to the same end, might be a better idea.

  23. Interesting things going on in Sweden yesterday on the first day of Bradley Manning’s trial:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-7/#comment-411225

    My comment and link underneath this one adds a little more insight.

  24. Flaming June

    4 Jun, 2013 - 4:08 pm

    More on the Cup Trust. Does their cup runneth over? Absolutely nil transparency.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-carr-advisers-charity-is-tax-1566487

    The Players Anthony Mehigan and Matthew Jenner

    The Company Mountstar Ptc Ltd

    The website http://thecuptrust.com/ Temporary page.

    The CC trustees page http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/search-for-a-charity/?txt=1129044

    Back to Mountstar in a circular route.

    What rogues.

  25. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    4 Jun, 2013 - 4:13 pm

    I remember suggesting a thread along these lines some while back and I’m glad it’s arrived; there will, I hope, be some good arguments and points coming in.

    Some random thoughts from me, but can we first put the Bilderbergers to bed, please (Wilkowski above, and John Goss God knows how often, elsewhere.. so far). The rationale of the Bilderberg meetings was persuasive in the context of the time when these meetings were initiated and they have just carried on although overtaken by a multitude of other fora…..with as little (or as much, if you like) effective outcome. They are not a conspiracy but merely an example of meeting-itis and of important people meeting with other important people across a variety of fields of action, thereby reasserting their sense of (self-)importance. At bottom, it is the same phenomenon as the (automatic)knighting of ambassadors in certain important postings (except that this is a privately organised iniative rather than state-inspired.

    Enough of that.

    1/. Fedup’s point about the weight of taxation in the 1930s is basically correct (although I’m not certain if the %ages are). In the 193Os, personal income tax apparently kicked in at above the national average wage; this was, however in the days of a much smaller state. WW2, ‘great power’ illusions and the postwar welfare state changed that for good.

    2/. Fedup is surely also correct when he says that wealthier people who do not call on public services and amenities probably resent contributing toward same. This is why, I think, the postwar state provided for the universality of certain benefits; the idea was to give everyone the feeling that they had a ‘stake’ in the arrangements – arrangements which were only sustainable financially through a system of graduated and therefore redistributive direct taxation. Perhaps such an approach was only capable of general acceptance in the aftermath of something like WW2, where an existential danger succeeded in overcoming – temporarily – man’s natural selfishness?

    3/. Having said that, I think there is little case for maintaining the universality of the WFP (or for that matter, free bus passes); £1OO million saved is not to be sneezed at and the argument (correct) that the govt wastes billions in other ways is not really relevant.

    ‘Nuff said for now.

  26. Arbed – In a sane world this would be easy to sort out:
    Ultimately, though it remains to be proved that this was his intention, Manning handed the information to the world at large.
    This means the world at large is considered to be the enemy of the US.

    I’ve suspected this to be the case for some time….

  27. This race to look tougher than tough, for a media blip in time and history, to join in the blue agenda, battle it out on the fields of benefit cuts, until it sounds utterly second rate and tedious, well said Craig,

    No balls Balls jumped on the bandwagon, he has nothing to offer and must keep in with business if he wants to have a chance, and the banks, so nothing too Tobin tax or Offshore action is going to emerge from him his fellow lobby fodder.

    Just been to a great scrutiny meeting at Norfolk County Hall. Senior officers are beginning to realise that a new agenda is dawning with regards to our new future resource economy, sounds so much better than incineration.

  28. Flaming June

    4 Jun, 2013 - 4:36 pm

    The Torygraph are kidding us that the wealthy have taken the hardest hit. If you read on you see it’s the lowest paid who will suffer the most.

    Wealthy hardest hit by recession, says Institute of Fiscal Studies
    Wealthier Britons have been identified as the biggest victims of the recession, with the wages of those earning more than £50,000 rising by eight per cent less than inflation.

    The top 10 per cent of earners – those earning more than about £50,000 annually – saw their salaries rise at eight percent less than inflation between 2009 and 2012.
    04 Jun 2013

    The Institute of Fiscal Studies (IFS), the economic forecaster, says that the top 10 per cent of earners will be almost £3,000 a year worse off by 2015 in real terms, as a result of the economic turmoil which began in 2008.

    However, the experts believe that the “falls in real incomes” for middle and higher earners have now ended.

    In contrast, poorer Britons who rely on state support will continue to see their incomes squeezed for several years.

    The analysis is based on official economic projections from the Government’s Office of Budget Responsibility (OBR) which is now predicting a modest recovery in the British economy. Robert Joyce, a senior research economist at the IFS said: “If the OBR’s macroeconomic forecasts are correct, then most of the falls in real incomes associated with the recession have now happened for middle and higher income groups.

    “But much of the pain for lower income groups is occurring now or is still to come, because these groups are the most affected by the ongoing cuts to benefits and tax credits.”

    /..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10096964/Wealthy-hardest-hit-by-recession-says-Institute-of-Fiscal-Studies.html

    At least the BBC have a different take on the report.

    Families to be £1,800 a year worse off by 2015, IFS says
    Middle-income families will see their spending power cut by £34 a week

    The average middle-income family in Britain is likely to be nearly £1,800 a year worse-off by 2015, according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies (IFS).

    Families with two children will see a fall of £34 in their weekly incomes, after adjusting for inflation.

    A childless couple is likely to lose £1,248 a year, or £24 a week.

    The IFS also said that over the next three years, less well-off families will be hit harder than those with higher incomes.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22765940

  29. Hybridcar

    So you think the idea of a welfare state arose out of a particular external threat, rather than out of a millenium of feudal and industrial oppression. Oh well.
    => external threats – good
    => war on terror – good
    => we live in the best of possible countries which with just a little careful pruning to wasteful expenditure will produce lovely flowers next year
    => sigh

  30. I’ve not studied this proposal in great detail but has Ed allowed for the cost of administrating the means test? He could find this is actually greater than the money saved.

  31. Arbed, I’ve put this on the Anna Ardin thread. But thought in case you don’t see it it is important enough to post here.

    I’ve spotted something which I consider to be serious. Look at the list for Bilderberg at The Grove, Watford, starting on Thursday through to Sunday.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10095943/Osborne-Clarke-and-Balls-to-attend-Bilderberg-Group-meeting.html

    Carl Bildt is on it, as is Stefan Löfven, Party Leader, Social Democratic Party (SAP), as is Henry Kissinger (endorser of the Don’t be Evil, and Julian’s article for the NYT) and also there is one of the ‘witch-doctor’ authors, Eric Schmidt. These people together with Osborne and Balls are going to have Julian’s fate as a main item for the rulers of the world (as they see themselves). Is there time to get more of Wikileaks supporters to the Fringe Festival? I’m sure there will be some there anyway.

  32. @Habbabkuk

    You disappoint me! I enjoy your posts when you are not trying to wind people up, and you usually make some pretty cogent and well-thought-out points, but that defence of the Bilderbergers was a bit lame. Here we have the most powerful people in the world, who are also some of the busiest in the world, clearing their diaries once a year and heading off to a secret location for four days. In previous years they have also availed themselves of the services of the local air force and navy to protect their privacy. And for years the press colluded in keeping the whole thing secret. But not to worry, you say with all the bland reassurance of a cop telling us to ‘Move along’, it’s just because they are afflicted with an excess of ‘meeting-itis’. With respect I suggest it amounts to a lot more than that. No conspiracy? Maybe not, it depends on how you define it, but it certainly feels like a conspiracy against the common man.

  33. Sorry, should have read “in Julian’s article for the NYT”

  34. King of Welsh Noir at 5.34 p.m. Thanks for spelling out the purpose of these power-mongers.

  35. John Goss

    ‘Thanks for spelling out the purpose of these power-mongers.’

    A pleasure, my friend. I’ve been to Cambodia. I’ve seen what Henry Kissinger gets up to when he thinks no one is looking.

  36. “I cannot understand why this country why this country is unable to produce [...]“

    Maybe the construction is rhetorical, but the answer is because the people who own this country don’t want it.

    All my life I have despised politicians, but nonetheless I think the following is a very fair question: who do you vote for if you want a proper health service, a proper welfare state, the renationalisation of the rail system, no Olympic-type scams, etc. – all of these big things which are obviously socially right. Please, no-one tell me that the answer is this or that tiny party, or a new party, or militating within one of the mainstream parties. Parliamentary democracy is mind-rotting propaganda bullshit, and is part of the problem. It is not the route to a wake-up of the vast majority which is an absolutely necessary feature of any progress whatsoever. Not that I am pushing an ‘enlightenment’ or ‘ding the bill’ line; I say “feature”, not “prerequisite”.

  37. I probably won’t be able to make it to the Bilderberg fringe, but it would be great if people paid special attention to the security guys protecting the event.

    At previous Bilderbergs, they have apparently not belonged to the host state.

    Maybe engage some of them in conversation?

  38. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    4 Jun, 2013 - 7:51 pm

    @ Guano :

    “So you think the idea of a welfare state arose out of a particular external threat, rather than out of a millenium of feudal and industrial oppression.”
    _____________-

    I certainly didn’t say that and I don’t think you can reasonably infer that from my comments.

    But I may be wrong, so please refer me to the words in my post which give you that impression.

    Thank you.

  39. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    4 Jun, 2013 - 8:37 pm

    @ KingofWelshNoir :

    Well, I’m sorry I disappoint you. Let me try and make amends by responding to a few of your points:

    1/. I don’t think I was trying to ‘defend’ the Bilderberg group, lamely or otherwise. I’m simply not very fussed by the occasion and, for the reasons given, certainly don’t think that their annual meeting amounts to a ‘conspiracy’. I note that you also don’t follow the ‘conspiracy’ interpretation – or, at least, you seem to be saying that that description is a matter of feeling, ie of perception.

    2/. The ‘most powerful people in the world’? Hmmm. To take no more than John Goss’s post at 17h17 – Stefan Loefven? Ed Balls? Eric Schmidt? I think the presence (he probably turns up every year) of Henry Kissinger is more indicative – certainly influential, perhaps even powerful a few decades ago, but a burnt-out case without either influence or power nowadays, he’s there because he was a big name. I suspect that if you saw the entire list of invitees you would find that many are there because they are/were famous, or ‘in’, or have convinced others that they have something ‘relevant’ to contribute. Think David Frost, think those who are famous because they are famous. But this might also be a matter where perceptions rule.

    3/.’Clearing their diaries’ : there are any number of (international)get-togethers nowadays which take up a lot of time but are neither conspiracies nor – worse – productive. In the same way as some people set great store on attending the Queen’s annual garden party, some set like store on attending Bilderberg.

    4/. Protection and privacy: I think that the presence of local security has more to do with personal protection than with privacy and is something which is incumbent on any civilised host country. But even if protection of privacy were the prime reason, I would say “so what – is that proof of a conspiracy?”. And add that the secrecy of the meetings (as well as the names of the participants) is rather short-lived.

    ——

    All for now! Could say more, but I must visit other threads (payment by results, you know) :)

  40. Having had a little time to study the Bilderbergers in more depth these are likely to be involved in how Wikileaks can be stopped from revealing the truth about their activities and those of their friends.

    Stefan Löfven, Party Leader, Social Democratic Party (SAP)
    Carl Bildt, Swedish Minister for Foreign Affairs
    Eric E. Schmidt, Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
    Anders Borg, Swedish Minister for Finance
    David H. Petraeus, General, U.S. Army (Retired)
    Richard N. Perle, Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
    George Osborne, Chancellor of the Exchequer
    Peter Mandelson, Chairman, Global Counsel; Chairman, Lazard International
    Henry A. Kissinger, Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.

    Kenneth Clarke, Cabinet Minister
    Robert D. Kaplan, Chief Geopolitical Analyst, Stratfor

    Kaplan and his company have had a recent success with the capture of Jeremy Hammond who has pleaded guilty to hacking Stratfor files and could face up to ten years in prison.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22703579

  41. There’s a petition up for Jeremy Hammond, if anyone feels like signing

    http://www.change.org/petitions/judge-loretta-preska-sentence-jeremy-hammond-to-time-served

  42. Samenleving

    4 Jun, 2013 - 9:20 pm

    “I cannot understand why this country is unable to produce a single unified tax system, under which those with far too much money are relieved of a significant portion of it, ordinary folk pay reasonable taxes and those without enough money, including the unemployed, underemployed and pensioners, receive enough money for their needs, including looking after their children or personal care.”

    Oh, you mean like Zakat – as enjoined on Muslims over 1300 years ago, and largely forgotten since the overthrow – significantly, by usury finance capital – of the Ottoman Caliphate?

  43. O/T

    It started with US Navy teaching dolphins to attach explosives onto the hulls of the enemy ships. Now Russian prisoners are using cats as their mules, and Brazilian prisoners have started using their cats as proper mules.

    Cat Nabbed Smuggling Cell Phones to Russian Prison

    Feline tries to smuggle mobile phones and chargers into Russian jail just months after similar attempt in Brazil.

    The evil genius of the incarcerated bastards is amazing. The convicts in 21st century are no longer content with building sailing ship models to the scale, from old match sticks, and used toothpicks. Instead they are training their cats, pet mice, and birds to get up to all manner of crimes and misdemeanour’s.

  44. “- Public announcement GEAB N°60 (December 16, 2011) -”

    “With £1.8 trillion of public money invested in banks to prevent their collapse in 2008, the British taxpayers are in fact those who have paid the most for the rescue of financial institutions. And the British government may well continue to exclude this amount from its public debt calculations by claiming it’s an “investment”, de facto, fewer and fewer people consider that the banks in the City will recover from the crisis, especially since its worsening in the second half of 2011: the shares purchased by the Government in fact are already worthless. The “UK hedge fund” is on the brink of collapse (25) … and thanks to David Cameron and the City, it’s isolated with no one to come to its aid, neither in Europe nor the United States.

    With the Chinese bubble (26) about to join the European recession and the US depression, the 2012 storm will determine whether David Cameron and his finance minister George Osborne are worthy descendants of the great British sailors.”

    http://www.leap2020.eu/Global-systemic-crisis-USA-2012-2016-An-insolvent-and-ungovernable-country_a8481.html

  45. BrianFujisan

    5 Jun, 2013 - 12:02 am

    Bradley Manning’s Nobel Peace Prize

    Well worth a Try….Petition For Bradley to receive The Nobel Peace Prize

    http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=7612

  46. Taken from another forum…

    Bilderbergers

    “Attendees:

    Chairman
    FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman and CEO, AXA Group

    DEU Achleitner, Paul M. Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank AG
    DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Board, Zurich Insurance Group Ltd
    GBR Agius, Marcus

    Former Chairman, Barclays plc
    GBR Alexander, Helen Chairman, UBM plc
    USA Altman, Roger C. Executive Chairman, Evercore Partners
    FIN Apunen, Matti Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
    USA Athey, Susan Professor of Economics, Stanford Graduate School of Business
    TUR Aydıntaşbaş, Aslı Columnist, Milliyet Newspaper
    TUR Babacan, Ali Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs
    GBR Balls, Edward M. Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
    PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA
    FRA Barré, Nicolas Managing Editor, Les Echos
    INT Barroso, José M. Durão President, European Commission
    FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
    FRA Bavinchove, Olivier de Commander, Eurocorps
    GBR Bell, John Regius Professor of Medicine, University of Oxford
    ITA Bernabè, Franco Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia S.p.A.
    USA Bezos, Jeff Founder and CEO, Amazon.com
    SWE Bildt, Carl Minister for Foreign Affairs
    SWE Borg, Anders Minister for Finance
    NLD Boxmeer, Jean François van Chairman of the Executive Board and CEO, Heineken N.V.
    NOR Brandtzæg, Svein Richard President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
    AUT Bronner, Oscar Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt
    GBR Carrington, Peter Former Honorary Chairman, Bilderberg Meetings
    ESP Cebrián, Juan Luis Executive Chairman, Grupo PRISA
    CAN Clark, W. Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Group
    GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament
    DNK Corydon, Bjarne Minister of Finance
    GBR Cowper-Coles, Sherard Business Development Director, International, BAE Systems plc
    ITA Cucchiani, Enrico Tommaso CEO, Intesa Sanpaolo SpA
    BEL Davignon, Etienne Minister of State; Former Chairman, Bilderberg Meetings
    GBR Davis, Ian Senior Partner Emeritus, McKinsey & Company
    NLD Dijkgraaf, Robbert H. Director and Leon Levy Professor, Institute for Advanced Study
    TUR Dinçer, Haluk President, Retail and Insurance Group, Sabancı Holding A.S.
    GBR Dudley, Robert Group Chief Executive, BP plc
    USA Eberstadt, Nicholas N. Henry Wendt Chair in Political Economy, American Enterprise Institute
    NOR Eide, Espen Barth Minister of Foreign Affairs
    SWE Ekholm, Börje President and CEO, Investor AB
    DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, EADS
    USA Evans, J. Michael Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs & Co.
    DNK Federspiel, Ulrik Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S
    USA Feldstein, Martin S. Professor of Economics, Harvard University; President Emeritus, NBER
    FRA Fillon, François Former Prime Minister
    USA Fishman, Mark C. President, Novartis Institutes for BioMedical Research
    GBR Flint, Douglas J. Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc
    IRL Gallagher, Paul Senior Counsel
    USA Geithner, Timothy F. Former Secretary of the Treasury
    USA Gfoeller, Michael Political Consultant
    USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
    DEU Grillo, Ulrich CEO, Grillo-Werke AG
    ITA Gruber, Lilli Journalist – Anchorwoman, La 7 TV
    ESP Guindos, Luis de Minister of Economy and Competitiveness
    GBR Gulliver, Stuart Group Chief Executive, HSBC Holdings plc
    CHE Gutzwiller, Felix Member of the Swiss Council of States
    NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
    FIN Heinonen, Olli Senior Fellow, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, Harvard Kennedy School of Government
    GBR Henry, Simon CFO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
    FRA Hermelin, Paul Chairman and CEO, Capgemini Group
    ESP Isla, Pablo Chairman and CEO, Inditex Group
    USA Jacobs, Kenneth M. Chairman and CEO, Lazard
    USA Johnson, James A. Chairman, Johnson Capital Partners
    CHE Jordan, Thomas J. Chairman of the Governing Board, Swiss National Bank
    USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Managing Director, Lazard Freres & Co. LLC
    USA Kaplan, Robert D. Chief Geopolitical Analyst, Stratfor
    USA Karp, Alex Founder and CEO, Palantir Technologies
    GBR Kerr, John Independent Member, House of Lords
    USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
    USA Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
    NLD Knot, Klaas H.W. President, De Nederlandsche Bank
    TUR Koç, Mustafa V. Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.
    DEU Koch, Roland CEO, Bilfinger SE
    USA Kravis, Henry R. Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
    USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow and Vice Chair, Hudson Institute
    CHE Kudelski, André Chairman and CEO, Kudelski Group
    GRC Kyriacopoulos, Ulysses Chairman, S&B Industrial Minerals S.A.
    INT Lagarde, Christine Managing Director, International Monetary Fund
    DEU Lauk, Kurt J. Chairman of the Economic Council to the CDU, Berlin
    USA Lessig, Lawrence Roy L. Furman Professor of Law and Leadership, Harvard Law School; Director, Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics, Harvard University
    BEL Leysen, Thomas Chairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group
    DEU Lindner, Christian Party Leader, Free Democratic Party (FDP NRW)
    SWE Löfven, Stefan Party Leader, Social Democratic Party (SAP)
    DEU Löscher, Peter President and CEO, Siemens AG
    GBR Mandelson, Peter Chairman, Global Counsel; Chairman, Lazard International
    USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
    CAN McKenna, Frank Chair, Brookfield Asset Management
    GBR Micklethwait, John Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
    FRA Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations
    ITA Monti, Mario Former Prime Minister
    USA Mundie, Craig J. Senior Advisor to the CEO, Microsoft Corporation
    ITA Nagel, Alberto CEO, Mediobanca
    NLD Netherlands, H.R.H. Princess Beatrix of The
    USA Ng, Andrew Y. Co-Founder, Coursera
    FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc
    GBR Omand, David Visiting Professor, King’s College London
    GBR Osborne, George Chancellor of the Exchequer
    USA Ottolenghi, Emanuele Senior Fellow, Foundation for Defense of Democracies
    TUR Özel, Soli Senior Lecturer, Kadir Has University; Columnist, Habertürk Newspaper
    GRC Papahelas, Alexis Executive Editor, Kathimerini Newspaper
    TUR Pavey, Şafak Member of Parliament (CHP)
    FRA Pécresse, Valérie Member of Parliament (UMP)
    USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
    USA Petraeus, David H. General, U.S. Army (Retired)
    PRT Portas, Paulo Minister of State and Foreign Affairs
    CAN Prichard, J. Robert S. Chair, Torys LLP
    INT Reding, Viviane Vice President and Commissioner for Justice, Fundamental Rights and Citizenship, European Commission
    CAN Reisman, Heather M. CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
    FRA Rey, Hélène Professor of Economics, London Business School
    GBR Robertson, Simon Partner, Robertson Robey Associates LLP; Deputy Chairman, HSBC Holdings
    ITA Rocca, Gianfelice Chairman,Techint Group
    POL Rostowski, Jacek Minister of Finance and Deputy Prime Minister
    USA Rubin, Robert E. Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
    NLD Rutte, Mark Prime Minister
    AUT Schieder, Andreas State Secretary of Finance
    USA Schmidt, Eric E. Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
    AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
    PRT Seguro, António José Secretary General, Socialist Party
    FRA Senard, Jean-Dominique CEO, Michelin Group
    NOR Skogen Lund, Kristin Director General, Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise
    USA Slaughter, Anne-Marie Bert G. Kerstetter ’66 University Professor of Politics and International Affairs, Princeton University
    IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
    GBR Taylor, Martin Former Chairman, Syngenta AG
    INT Thiam, Tidjane Group CEO, Prudential plc
    USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Thiel Capital
    USA Thompson, Craig B. President and CEO, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
    DNK Topsøe, Jakob Haldor Partner, AMBROX Capital A/S
    FIN Urpilainen, Jutta Minister of Finance
    CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Honorary Chairman, Novartis AG
    GBR Voser, Peter R. CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
    CAN Wall, Brad Premier of Saskatchewan
    SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB
    USA Warsh, Kevin Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University
    CAN Weston, Galen G. Executive Chairman, Loblaw Companies Limited
    GBR Williams of Crosby, Shirley Member, House of Lords
    GBR Wolf, Martin H. Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times
    USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company
    GBR Wright, David Vice Chairman, Barclays plc
    INT Zoellick, Robert B. Distinguished Visiting Fellow, Peterson Institute for International Economics

    AUT Austria
    INT International
    BEL Belgium
    IRL Ireland
    CAN Canada
    ITA Italy
    CHE Switzerland
    NLD Netherlands
    DEU Germany
    NOR Norway
    DNK Denmark
    POL Poland
    ESP Spain
    PRT Portugal
    FIN Finland
    SWE Sweden
    FRA France
    TUR Turkey
    GBR Great Britain
    USA United States of America
    GRC Greece”

  47. My own contention is that as a general rule, things that work are simple. Complexity is the enemy of efficiency. That goes for the Benefits System and that goes for the Taxation System and, of course, the two are related and often conflated in discussion: “The tax and benefit system …”, or as Craig puts it in this piece: “ … a single unified tax system, …”.

    Please allow me to offer this as a possible explanation of the unnecessary complexity.

    Are there any readers who imagine that Blair, whose current annual income is assessed in £millions, intends to pay the same amount of tax as the rest of us? Perhaps he will, but who would bet on it? Inheritance tax is designed for people who have worked and have a semi within commuting distance of London. Can you imagine Cherie handing over 40% of everything over £300,000 that the good man leaves. After all, neither they (nor their ilk) send their children to the same schools that they’ve designed for the rest of us. Nor, as far as I have noticed, do any of them retire to Brixton. Rather, having filled out their last expense account, they head off to some leafy Shire with a low local population density where exists a residue of traditional values which they have spent their professional lives affecting to despise. So, by analogy then, I suggest that a plausible working hypothesis is that they have no intention of paying the taxes that they’ve designed for the rest of us either. Therefore there is complexity. Loopholes and contradictions – and thus evasion and avoidance – would be far fewer if the system were simple and straightforward. But an absence of loopholes would benefit the rest of us. The people who design the system want to keep their own ill-gotten stash safe and who better to benefit from a complex system than the people who created it.

    Just a thought.

  48. Someone, look at these events of 2013 from Bilderberg’s own website.

    “The key topics for discussion this year include:
    • Can the US and Europe grow faster and create jobs?
    • Jobs, entitlement and debt
    • How big data is changing almost everything
    • Nationalism and populism
    • US foreign policy
    • Africa’s challenges
    • Cyber warfare and the proliferation of asymmetric threats
    • Major trends in medical research
    • Online education: promise and impacts
    • Politics of the European Union
    • Developments in the Middle East
    • Current affairs”

    Compare it with your list of countries represented. Even though it is clear to my mind that “Cyber warfare and the proliferation of assymetric threats” will be concentrating on Wikileaks, Anonymous and such freedom-fighting groups. But the item that is most revealing is “Africa’s challenges” since there is no representation from Africa at all. You will notice, however, that GRC Kyriacopoulos, Ulysses Chairman, S&B Industrial Minerals S.A. will be there. This is a global mineral company. I suspect the plans for Africa might be military as well as commercial. But, of course, the last time the so-called ‘Great Powers’ carved up Africa they did not consult the Africans.

  49. Flaming June

    5 Jun, 2013 - 8:17 am

    Thanks Someone for that list. The names and connections there illustrate the networks of power which will be reinforced at The Grove. I see HSBC is well represented. Enough said. Cowper Coles too and Mandelslime of course.

    Thanks for your info and comments John and also Richard.

    Here is confirmation of just some of the control that is exerted on the media by the financial sector.

    ‘Today’s blog looks at research from Dr Mike Berry, lecturer at the University of Cardiff. It focuses on one small but influential part of the BBC – its flagship Today Programme on BBC Radio 4. I think it’s fair to say that my colleagues and I have always been under the impression – hard to prove but still a strong impression — that the Today Programme is substantially ‘captured’ by the City of London, the UK’s Financial Services industry. (And for what ‘capture’ means here, see this.)

    The article is called The Today programme and the banking crisis, and it meticulously researches six weeks’ of coverage by the Today Programme, during the crucial period of the British bank rescues in October 2008. The article’s abstract should surprise nobody who knows the programme:

    “Results indicated that City sources dominated coverage, particularly during the two-week period around the British bank rescue plan. The consequence of this was that listeners were offered a prescribed range of debate on the UK government’s bank rescue plan and possible reforms to the financial sector. The research raises key questions regarding impartiality and balance in public service broadcasting.”‘
    /..

    Is the BBC afraid of the City of London?http://treasureislands.org/is-the-bbc-afraid-of-the-city-of-london/

    One of those ‘who knows who’ charts for names of the Bilderbergers would have all the links.

    PS The only one missing is B.Liar and his Africa Governance Initiative but his proxies will be there.
    http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/africa

  50. Habbabkuk

    No, I don’t believe it is a conspiracy in the sense that they sit down with an agenda that says, Item 1. Take over the world. Item 2. Enslave the masses, etc. But despite your attempts to present them as a bunch of harmless old duffers and has-beens there is little doubt that the most powerful people will be turning up and it won’t be to discuss golf. When such people meet, it’s reasonable to suspect they will be discussing policy that will further their own narrow elite interests rather than ours. I object to that as anti-democratic, especially as some of our own elected representatives will be attending, possibly to take instructions. If they want to avoid these disparaging suspicions they should be transparent about what goes on. I still remember one delegate last year (forget who) on being asked outside the hotel what was going inside, saying ‘I dont have to tell you and you don’t need to know.’ Says it all.

  51. Perhaps they should sit down more often, with more agendas.

    Item 1 ?

  52. “A slide show about some of the people pursuing or supporting large farmland grabs around the world”

    http://www.grain.org/article/entries/4576-slideshow-who-s-behind-the-land-grabs

  53. Richard,if you had a simple flat rate tax of say 15% and no offsets. Think of the unemployment you would cause thousands of accountants,financial advisors,stockbrokers,lawyers,bankers,tax collectors…..all on the streets!.Tragic!

  54. “Meet the Republican who is demanding that the government let poor people starve”

    http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/20/1210395/-Meet-the-Republican-who-is-demanding-that-the-government-let-poor-people-starve

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    5 Jun, 2013 - 9:55 am

    @KingofWelshNoir :

    Just a couple of (probably final) observations, bearing in mind that all of this is largely a matter of perception, I think we agree on that?

    1/. I didn’t say that all the participants are old duffers and has-beens (the Kissingers are a minority).

    2/. Discussing policy rather than golf : well, obviously. But I don’t see what’s wrong with that. If you look at the list of themes that has been given by another poster, I find little surprising there : they are all current issues of interest and relevance(and sometimes of preoccupation). I would prefer not to give detail, but I can assure you that these sorts of themes come up at most international meets whether of a bilateral or multinational nature – and those meets are largely talking-shops, they contain a large element of ritual (see also next point).

    3/. Anti-democratic/opaque nature : the first is a rather large claim – why and how? As for the transparency aspect, if there were transcripts available for the individual discussions I rather doubt that you would be greatly surprised by what was said – although you might be rather bored (and get a rather disillusioning insight into the depth and (lack of) originality of these great minds.

    4/. Your example of the participant proves what? The meeting works under those rules (rules which are in part designed to reinforce the mystique) and I don’t think too much should be read into it.

    ———–

    I guess you won’t find any of this terribly convincing but the exchange has been interesting. Off to beach volley again! Enjoy the day!

  56. Hiddenclue

    You want me to read your work again? I see many debris of flies on the cobweb first time I read your stuff. You think I’m going to try your flimsy threads a second time? Why do you think I haven’t got the software to edit you out completely? Your drivel keeps my logic active. But you seem to have got the software installed in your own brain. To edit out logic that is.

  57. Geoffrey:

    Good point, I take it all back. The horror, the horror!

  58. Flaming June

    5 Jun, 2013 - 12:24 pm

    Strange to see a medic in that Bilderberg list but when you see his connections and non executive directorships, no surprise.

    http://www.acmedsci.ac.uk/p149.html

    Here he is with Agent Cameron.
    http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/John+Bell+David+Cameron+Visits+Oxford+University+3t4IYa4W651l.jpg

    David Cameron Visits Oxford University

    In This Photo: David Cameron, John Bell
    British Prime Minister David Cameron (L) leaves the newly opened ‘Li Ka Shing Centre for Health Information and Discovery’ at Oxford University with Professor Sir John Bell, the Regius Professor of Medicine, on May 3, 2013 in Oxford, England. Mr Cameron was joined by Mr Li and the Chancellor of the University of Oxford, Lord Patten, to launch a 90 million GBP initiative in ‘big data’ processing and drug discovery.
    (May 2, 2013 – Source: Oli Scarff/Getty Images Europe)

  59. I see ‘Lord’ Mandelson of Ichor will be attending Bilderberg. He seems to have been courting the Russian underworld (allegedly), but the Grauniad has had second thoughts about reporting this:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/info/2013/jun/01/taken-down-peter

    Another old favourite of mine, Richard Perle of WMD, will also be contributing the opinions of the American Enterprise Institute aka AIPAC’s Earth colony.

  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    5 Jun, 2013 - 5:09 pm

    @ Guano :

    “You want me to read your work again? etc etc etc”
    _____________

    I don’t care much one way or the other; just do the right thing :)

  61. Komodo, Perle is the worst of this despicable bunch of meglomaniacs. There’s a book coming out about how he commanded not just press-coverage of 9/11 but military communications which stopped those in the Pentagon communicating with people inside the twin towers to tell them to get the hell out.

    I cannot find the link but I think it was on Tony Gosling’s Bilderberg blog.

  62. Flaming June

    5 Jun, 2013 - 6:20 pm

    This is the last section of William Blum’s Anti Empire Report.

    ‘What are we going to do about our sociopathic corporations?

    Scarcely a day goes by in the United States without a news story about serious ethical/criminal misbehavior by a bank or stock brokerage or credit-rating agency or insurance agency or derivatives firm or some other parasitic financial institution. Most of these firms produce no goods or services useful to human beings, but spend their days engaged in the manipulation of money, credit and markets, employing dozens of kinds of speculation.

    Consider the jail time served for civil disobedience by environmental, justice and anti-war activists, in contrast to the lifestyle enjoyed by the wicked ones who crashed the financial system and continue to fund the wounding of our bleeding planet.

    The federal and state governments threaten to sue the financial institutions. Sometimes they actually do sue them. And a penalty is paid. And then the next scandal pops up. And another penalty is paid. And so it goes.

    Picture this: A fleet of police cars pulls up in front of Bank of America’s Corporate Center in Charlotte, North Carolina. A dozen police officers get out, enter the building, and take the elevator to the offices of the bank’s top executives. Minutes later the president and two vice-presidents – their arms tightly bound in handcuffs behind their back – are paraded through the building in full view of their employees who stare wide-eyed and open-mouthed. The sidewalk is, of course, fully occupied by the media as the police encircle the building with tape saying “No tresspassing. Crime scene.”.

    But remember, just because America has been taken over by mendacious mass-murdering madmen doesn’t mean we can’t have a good time.’

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/06/what-our-presidents-tell-our-young-people/

    5th June, 2013

  63. BrianFujisan

    5 Jun, 2013 - 7:10 pm

    I see they (Bilderberg) will have the protection of a no fly zone, at tax payers expense. I wonder if that’s to make the tiny percentage of people UK, think that they will actually need a No Fly zone – against the ( Fake ) war on terror.

    They’ll be popping decades old bottles of whatever, and Laughing their heads off

    I was Genuinely amazed yesterday, to find that the two people i Know whom consume the most MsM Tosh, didn’t have the faintest idea what the Bildergerg group is, Ah the Ugly Apathy

  64. ” …stopped those in the Pentagon communicating with people inside the twin towers to tell them to get the hell out. ”

    They needed telling?

  65. KOWN @8.43am yesterday- spot on!

    The snotty delegate from last year you mention appears to have taken instruction from another old Bilderbeger, Denis Healey. He included references to attending Bilderberg in his autobiography; something considered pretty bold at the time (1989).

    However when asked on occasions subsequently to elaborate on what, exactly, went on at these meetings, enquiring journalists would get a blunt ‘Fuck off!’ from the Great Man in reply.

  66. Denis Healey is still around, and was interviewed quite recently. I do wish someone would engage him on the state we’re in, partcularly in terms of his view of our morphing from a realtively liberal democracy with a mixed economy to an altogether more corporate economy with fascist values.

    At one time he seemed a champion of liberal democracy and has come out against our more recent wars.

    He was also a founder of Bilderberg.

    At one time when challenged about the NWO element thrown at Bilderberg, he agreed that that was not an unreasonable interpretation of what was going on, but that he didn’t feel the project as menacing as its critics alleged.

    But still, I’d love to see it put to him directly how he feels about our current economic arrangements compared to the post war dreams himself and others espoused.

  67. “Anybody who believes New Labour is the answer to any of our problems is certifiable.”

    I agree 100%, but what’s the viable / feasible / alternative. IMHO the situation regarding growth and thereby unemployment is going to get worse, and history shows that in times of economic hardship it is so often the far right who make significant gains and at the moment they are organised to some degree as is shown by the demos taking place after Woolwich.

    Where is a credible far left alternative who will be prepared to take on the 1% and their sycophants when all the forces of the military, media, police etc etc are lined up ready to literally club them senseless.

  68. “Africa’s challenges”

    No.1: avoid being bombed and invaded by ‘friendly’ Western nations seeking to ‘protect’ Africans.

    ~

    It’s highly amusing reading social engineering site http://agirlcalledjack.com/ especially the claim that she runs the site using a “Jurassic Nokia”. One look at the HTLM source shows an abundance of JavaScript and meta data that demonstrates that the site is the product of professional web developers and not the ‘unemployed single mum’ as claimed. In ‘her’ last article ‘she’ mentions applying for 17 jobs in one day. One would have thought that the services of such a talented and resourceful web site developer would be snapped up in an instant. BTW my dinner consisted of one chicken breast steak (unit cost: 25p) three potato croquettes (4p each) and a pile of frozen sweetcorn (5p). Total 42p.

  69. Habbabkuk 5 June 2013 9.55am “…prefer not to give detail, but…”. Clearly neither impartial nor disinterested, then. All meetings seek to maintain confidentiality, although, in my view, there’s a debate to be had about that.

    But the list of participants in the Watford Bilderbergh, simply judged on their own past actions, suggests that it will not be benign for the rest of us

  70. Totally agree Craig. Was struggling to understand how Ed Balls could argue on the Sunday Politics show that the Conservative austerity policy was likely to continue to fail, damage the economy and reduce revenues so much that Labour if it won the next election would be forced to maintain those spending limits (i.e continue Conservative austerity policies). It may be what the focus groups are telling him, but that’s likely because the focus groups don’t understand the difference between personal or business debt and government debt – that the government relies on the economy being big enough to produce enough revenue and that it can print money.

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