Five More Years of Tory Rule

by craig on July 15, 2014 9:44 am in Uncategorized

In the UK, the Tories have edged into the lead in the latest Guardian/ICM opinion poll. While New Labour’s support for benefit cuts, government spending plans and the entire neo-con agenda means it makes no difference who is in power at Westminster, residual voter tribal loyalty to these moribund and corrupt parties remains the basic fact of “mainstream” politics, even after the voters have twigged the politicians are almost all self-serving crooks.

That is important for Scotland, as the perception of continued Tory rule at Westminster will increase the independence vote. By the Autumn it is going to be very clear the Tories are in power until 2020. But will that perception enter the public consciousness before September 18 2014? Charles Clarke, ever anxious to stab his colleagues in the back – a defining Labour trait – is doing his best to make it clear.

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  1. I hope you’re wrong, and the polls are wrong. There is a good Labour MP, John McDonnell, who is calling for a People’s Parliament. As leader he would get my vote.

    http://www.john-mcdonnell.net/people_s_parliament

  2. Mine too John. He was passed over last time.

    I will vote for any party that undertakes to restore the damage that is being done to the NHS, and means it.

  3. I have flown to Germany via Heathrow many times. Exiting the cattle pens, subjected to the humiliation, then the machine guns of the ‘protectors’, and finally boarding a German flight to Stuttgart – with such relief. Human beings. Relief. Jesus, what a miserable place is the UK. The fascists of Europe.

  4. Agreed, prospect of a Tory majority in 2015 can only help the Scottish nationalists.

    I started as a definite “no” but will vote “yes”, largely because of the hectoring from the great and good who tell me that independence means the sky will fall in. But a more measured reason for chasing my mind is that it is in the interests of the UK as a whole to start the process of reform and Scotland is the only part of the union that has the chance to get that going.

    Obviously, a Holyrood parliament can be infested with embezzling paedophiles just as easily as the Westmonster version, but there is something for making accountability a little bit more local and plural. Furthermore, increasing democratic argument seems our only hope for resisting the tide of predatory capitalism, or at least exposing it to some scrutiny.

  5. Yet ICM, who conducted a poll for the most recent Scotland on Sunday, shows the Yes Camp have dropped 2% points since this time last month. Yes 34% No 45%.
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-poll-shows-stalling-yes-vote-1-3474916

  6. What on earth is “the entire neo-con agenda”?and what has got to do with “austerity measures”?
    Surely “Neo-cons”are those who support what they might call”freedom and democracy”or Coca-colarisation,or Americanisation,of the world.Or unnecessary consumption of goods usually produced by large multinationals paid for with debt and the destruction of countries,cultures and peoples who resist,if necessary.
    All pursued with religious fervour.

  7. Someone. Anybody. Please explain to Geoffrey. He might have been on another planet for a couple of decades at least.

  8. Geoffrey,

    Accepting your working definition of neo-con, that is precisely what Labour stands for.

  9. خاله ووسو

    15 Jul, 2014 - 11:04 am

    No Craig I believe you are wrong. The scandals uncovered so far and the as yet un-exposed scandal of UK management of the total destruction of Syria in preparation for handing over to the custody of Israel or its phoney Caliphate, need whitewashing urgently. Who better to do it than the leader of the sheeple with blue behinds? Milibland.

  10. YouKnowMyName

    15 Jul, 2014 - 11:06 am

    didn’t we just learn that Cheltenham can allegedly manipulate polls, truly a world of smoke & mirrors

  11. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 11:13 am

    We’ll get five more years of Tory rule no matter who wins. Lab and Con are signed up to the same agenda, and Lib will sign up for anyone who lets them play.

  12. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 11:22 am

    And here you go for why we’ll be getting the same old same old with a side of added inequality:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/13/capital-politics-wikileaks-democracy-market-freedom

  13. Hacking Online Polls and Other Ways British Spies Seek to Control the Internet

    The secretive British spy agency GCHQ has developed covert tools to seed the internet with false information, including the ability to manipulate the results of online polls, artificially inflate pageview counts on web sites, “amplif[y]” sanctioned messages on YouTube, and censor video content judged to be “extremist.” The capabilities, detailed in documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, even include an old standby for pre-adolescent prank callers everywhere: A way to connect two unsuspecting phone users together in a call.

  14. Richard Powell

    15 Jul, 2014 - 11:24 am

    The Tories will be in power in England long beyond 2020, if Scotland becomes independent.

  15. خاله ووسو

    15 Jul, 2014 - 11:35 am

    Ba’al

    Lib is finished in my opinion. I can see the popularity of betting shops where people spend many hours betting on Heads or tails. But do people go into a voting booth for that? Maybe in the next election you will be offered half a dozen scratch-cards in the booth, with a prize-draw of 10 million. Voter apathy is big problem.

    Richard Powell

    Please don’t say that. The UK will not survive another 5 years of Thatcherist pandemonium. Are we going to have to have a Fukushima melt-down where even the financial engineers don’t know how to solve the economic design flaws of capitalism.

  16. “Are we going to have to have a Fukushima melt-down where even the financial engineers don’t know how to solve the economic design flaws of capitalism”

    Yes we are and an independent Scotland still using the pound will get fleeced the same as everyone else.

  17. Ba’al ,11.22
    Scary article,assuming it is accurate, the TISA proposal appears to show where real power lies,and it’s not with politicians.
    You could,I suppose,say that political parties are Neo-con for allowing/or making these un-democratic agreements,but I would say they are too weak,disinterested,or too well bribed to bother themselves with these complex things,which most of their electorate wouldn’t understand anyway.

  18. There are two jokers in there that will make a Tory Govt a definite. UKIP & whatever is left of the Liberals.
    The Tories will then allow TTIP to become an irreversible reality.
    There are those that think that borders and flags are ôutdated in our global village.Just wait till company logo’s & banners fill the spaces they leave behind.Can’t wait till McDonalds and Monsanto start making the laws.

  19. خاله ووسو

    15 Jul, 2014 - 12:10 pm

    MJ

    Better use the Chinese Yuan then.

  20. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 12:12 pm

    I would say they are too weak,disinterested,or too well bribed to bother themselves with these complex things,which most of their electorate wouldn’t understand anyway.

    I might have said that too, until I came across some early remarks by politicians re. the EU.

    “No government dependent on a democratic vote could possibly agree in advance to the sacrifices which any adequate plan for European Union must involve. The people must be led slowly and unconsciously into the abandonment of their traditional economic defences, not asked…”
    (Peter Thorneycroft, former Tory MP)

    More here:

    http://iainmckie.co.uk/some-eu-quotes-to-make-you-think-some-to-make-you-smile-and-others-to-scream-280813/

    Oh, they bother themselves. And make sure the electorate don’t understand.

  21. Stand in line to be whipped by Michael Gove.

    Gove moved on

    Posted by Richard27 on July 15, 2014, 10:39 am

    Reactionary eduction secretary Michale Gove has been moved to “Chief Whip” in Cameron’s purge to try to ensure the Tories win the next election.

    He is just changing the poison but not in the eye’s of the BBC who continued their”love-in” with the Tory party with a very benign and chummy interview with Kenneth Clarke on the right wing “Today” programme this morning. “You have been our guest many times” said the announcer “I hope we will continue to have you here in the future”.

    Sickening

    ~~~

    Alternatively give him a good slap in the face. Childish but therapeutic.
    http://games.usvsth3m.com/slap-michael-gove/

  22. “Better use the Chinese Yuan then”

    Scotland should have its own currency. It is a prerequisite of independence.

  23. You put your right leg in,
    You put your right leg out;
    You put your right leg in,
    And you shake it all about.
    You do the hokey cokey,
    And you turn around.
    That’s what it’s all about!

    New slimeballs replace old slimeballs.

    Reshuffle at-a-glance: In, out and moved about
    Prime Minister David Cameron is reshuffling his top team, with details of new appointments and exits being unveiled.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28303854

    It’s all very drawn out.

  24. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 12:43 pm

    Lib is finished in my opinion. ( خاله ووسو )

    Don’t think so. There will always be a rump of maybe half-a-dozen good constituency MP’s. This has been the Libs’ constant selling point, and it usually trumps national disillusionment in a handful of constituencies. That’s enough to swing a hung parliament.

  25. UK’s all three major political parties are controlled by the pro-Israel Jewish/Christian lobby groups. However, one wonders why Rupert Mardoch, Sir Sean Connery and billionaire Donald Trump support Scotland’s divorce from England while MP George Galloway is against it.

    http://rehmat1.com/2013/11/17/george-gallowy-chased-by-british-jewish-media/

  26. The debate on DRIP The Snoopers’ Charter is being broadcast on Ch 81. More of our freedoms are being taken away with all party agreement. The ‘emergency’ legislation (guillotine) will all be done and dusted within the day ending at 10pm. Shameful.

    Straw has just spoken in favour. Only objector so far is David Winnick. Diane Abbot objects to the timetable but not to the legislation apparently. Democracy? What democracy?

  27. خاله ووسو

    15 Jul, 2014 - 1:20 pm

    Ba’al

    Yes and the leadership will then swing the election the wrong way so what’s the point?

  28. Seems like Dave is letting some of the Tory ladies round the table for a few months for good PR management reasons, being a master of same is of course the main reason he got the job in the first place. Make the most of it though because come this time next year, if they get back in again, it will be all change again and back to normal. Even side-lining Michael Gove is surely only a vain cat in hell hope to ingratiate the Tories with the teaching profession before next May ?

  29. I don’t find the poll very convincing – a random telephone poll of 1,000 alleged adults over a summer weekend – though, given the increasingly scared electorate because of the overtime work by the securocrats, I don’t think it makes much difference if the No vote wins in the Scottish referendum.

    Seems the polling benefited the stay at homes, a definite Tory group, since they were more likely to be home for the land line calls.

    If Scotland votes Yes on the referendum, something that I don’t think will be allowed to happen, the Conservatives would do better in the General Election since there would be fewer votes for their opponents,

  30. Caring Sharing Britain with lots of women in politics ]

    An 84-year-old man and his 75-year-old partner have been sleeping in seafront shelters in Bournemouth since moving out of their Charminster flat in April, and have been relying on a local soup kitchen for their meals.

    Note the misdirection in the article; “they refused”, also of note ought to be the skin condition of the elderly lady in the exposed areas.

  31. Perhaps Hague’s sudden departure has more to do with the current rent boy scandal than a simple cabinet re-shuffle.
    Perhaps a Willie has been in pants that don’t belong to him.

  32. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 1:27 pm

    خاله ووسو -The leadership will probably have changed. Then they’ll be as free as formerly to whisper unfulfillable promises in the punters’ ears. BTW, Google Translate sure struggles with your nick. Does it translate at all?

    Parky. Agree, ultimately. Putting Gove on the back benches for longer than absolutely necessary will cause a palace revolution: this doesn’t look like anything other than PR. Let the little woman have a go – she’s quite bright, and she’s learning to drive…

  33. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 1:30 pm

    Perhaps a Willie has been in pants that don’t belong to him.

    You mean Hague might be in some disgusting way of any interest at all? IMO, no. He may be weirdly unpleasant, but I don’t think he’s unpleasantly weird.

  34. PS DRIP 3rd Reading tonight goes to the Lords tomorrow and back into law on Thursday. Wham bam! How do they do that?

    Charlie Brooker on the ‘Garudian’ writes:

    What is Drip and how, precisely, will it help the government ruin your life?
    The Data Retention and Investigatory Powers bill is the most tedious outrage ever, right down to the dreary acronym. But oh, the horrors it will bring …
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/14/drip-government-data-retention-investigatory-powers-bill-horrors

  35. Sigh. Scottish independence will not condemn England to everlasting Tory rule. You get the Tories because you vote for them. I’m getting fed up posting this link – maybe Craig could pin it at the top of his blog?

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/

  36. >Obviously, a Hollywood parliament can be infested with
    >embezzling paedophiles

    NOT “paedophiles” – they’re child sex abusers, child molesters, child rapists, and child murderers. You don’t have to be a paedophile to rape/sexually assault, or murder, a child.

    There’s a 17-year-old boy in the U.S. being charged with “paedophile” offences, and of being in possession of child pornography, because he and a 15-year-old girl exchanged a few explicit photos of themselves.

    This is where the indiscriminate use of that word leads. It’s the adults pursuing this case through the courts who are the child abusers.

  37. In Persian the nameخاله ووسو is Aunt Vvsv
    In Arabicخاله ووسو is Uncle and Sue according to Google Translate

  38. Rehmat

    You don’t know George, do you? I have known him for over 30 years. Independence would be very bad for his career.

  39. Whoever gets to power in 2015 those who control the banks will still control UK domestic and foreign policy. Puppets like Cameron, Hammond and May are figureheads with as much real life in their souls and blood in their veins as Parker and Lady Penelope. The Co-operative Bank and Barclays have a lot to answer for in closing the accounts of Cage.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/something-sinister-in-heart-of.html

  40. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 1:52 pm

    Independence would be very bad for his (GG’s) career.

    Hmm. You mean, other considerations than the general good affect his political opinion? I am sure that is not the impression he would wish to convey.

    Sorry, but it had to be said.

  41. خاله ووسو

    15 Jul, 2014 - 1:54 pm

    Rehmat

    BTW Erdogan knows that in order to avoid being spiked on his own petard i.e. being invaded by Israel’s ISIS on his Syrian border, he will very soon have to concede regional independence to Turkish Kurdistan, as Assad has already conceded Syrian Kurdistan. The Syrian war might be unpopular with Turkish voters, but invasion by ISIS would be worse. Turks are tired by decades of war and daily pitched battles in Kurdish areas of Eastern Turkey.

    The leaders of Iraqi Kurdistan, and now the former Kurdish Islamic groups, are now working with the superpower Zionist poodle ISIS Caliphate to re-draw the borders of Kurdistan.

    Erdogan’s popularity has come from his restoration of traditional Islamic values. This model of Islam has recently had a big boost in share price round the world from the murderous actions of ISIS and others in Syria and Iraq, not to mention Afghanistan and Pakistan. So Turkey may win the theological battle between the competing parties for the Caliphate of Islam.

  42. Further to the Guardian article posted by Ba’al

    Capitalizing everything.. including nature. Government Judas ecologists are working hand in hand with corporations corrupting a concept that was conceived and introduced in Yellowstone National Park in the 1960s. The following is written in quasi-scioeconomic gobbledygook to disguise the underlying capitalist principles upon which the valuation of ecosystem services will be based.
    https://www.gov.uk/ecosystems-services
    This movement is being lauded as the solution to all the planets environmental ills while at the same time driving economic recovery and growth. Corporations do indeed rule the World!

  43. خاله ووسو

    15 Jul, 2014 - 2:11 pm

    John Goss

    As I see it, Moazzam Begg is unique in the Muslim community for standing against the UK establishment. His so-called Muslim followers and supporters are in the Prevent/Divide and Rule government handbag in the same way that ISIS is controlled by UKUSIS.

    The Co-operative Bank has been deliberately demolished by dark forces in order to destroy its independence. It still is head and shoulders above the other banks in terms of integrity and customer service.

    Barclays uses Qatar money to offer valuable interest-free loans to recession-hammered customers. The catch is in the time-limit and the one-off %fee.

    As my dear late father used to tell me when I asked him for assistance: ” If you will stand against the entire system, why is it my responsibility to help you out?”

  44. خاله ووسو

    15 Jul, 2014 - 2:27 pm

    Mary

    Indefatigably inquisitive as usual. Translation from Kurdish: Uncle Wind-up. A comic character in Kurdistan who always gives advice that benefits himself first.

  45. I have a cunning plan to cope with life IF the Tories get re-elected – I’m going to put myself in a coma, BUT only after I’ve mastered the art of lucid dreaming.

    For those unfamiliar with lucid dreaming, I recommend “The Dream Machine” by Dr Keith Hearne (you can also download it free from his site).

    In short, you wake up in a dream, and you know it’s a dream, and you can do anything you want. But it’s far better than a dream; it’s like a substitute reality.

    Extract:

    “On Sept. 9th 1904, I [Frederik van Eeden] dreamt that I stood at a table before a window. On the table were different objects. I was perfectly well aware that I was dreaming and I considered what sorts of experiments I could make. I began by trying to break glass, by beating it with a stone. I put a small tablet of glass on two stones and struck it with another stone. Yet it would not break. Then I took a fine claret glass from the table and struck it with my fist, with all my might, at the same time, reflecting how dangerous it would be to do this in waking life; yet the glass remained whole. But lo! when I looked at it again after some time, it was broken. It broke all right, but a little too late, like an actor who misses his cue. This gave me a very curious impression of being in a fake world, cleverly imitated, but with small failures. I took broken glass and threw it out of the window, in order to observe whether I could hear the tinkling. I heard the noise all right and I even saw two dogs run away from it quite naturally. I thought what a good imitation this comedy world was. Then I saw a decanter with claret and tasted it, and noted with perfect clearness of mind: ‘Well, we can also have voluntary impressions of taste in this dream world; this had quite the taste of wine.’”

    Instead of sleeping rough and going hungry in the real world, I’ll be wining and dining at the best restaurants in my dream world. :)

  46. Oops, I meant “if the Tories steal power again by NOT getting elected”.

  47. خاله ووسو Sorry. Curiosity has not killed this cat yet!

    Google Translate never suggested Kurdish.

    I know another Uncle Wind Up, not too far from here, Sofia’s Dad.

  48. Steal power again? The Tories may be bad in some regards but to claim they stole power is just ridiculous. They polled the highest number of votes and won the most seats…

    That aside, lucid dreaming sounds fascinating. Although I find that knocking back a few large glasses of whisky before bed has the same effect.

  49. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    Thanks, Uncle Windup. My curiosity (and Mary’s?) is satisfied. Didn’t think to try Kurdish. “Uncle” works in Arabic – it was the windup that defeated me…

  50. Agent Cameron 0 Jean-Claude Juncker 1

    Juncker was elected today with a lot of heckling from the UKIPpers with Farage.

    Cameron has proposed as UK commissioner Baron Hill of Oareford. Never heard of him. Bell Pottinger/Quiller/Tory HQ type.

    How much do EU commissioners get paid?

  51. A. It was easy. Set out like this. circa £200k pa I make it for a commissioner. Plus, Plus, I bet.

    Commissioner’s basic monthlysalaries are fixed at 112.5% of the top civil service grade. This works out at €19,909.89. The President is paid at 138% (€24,422.80), Vice-Presidents at 125% (€22,122.10) and the High Representative at 130% €23,006.98.

  52. doug scorgie

    15 Jul, 2014 - 4:13 pm

    Mary
    15 Jul, 2014 – 10:13 am

    “I will vote for any party that undertakes to restore the damage that is being done to the NHS, and means it.”

    Sadly there is no such party Mary that has any hope of forming a government.

    Traditionally that would have been the role of the Labour party but since Kinnock (now the Right Honourable Baron Kinnock, of Bedwellty) the party has moved to the right and taken up the neo-liberal economic model just as the LibDems have.

    On that point there is no distinction between the “big three”.

    Living in a Tory safe seat my vote is wasted anyway.

    Apart from that, any left-wing party that showed signs of increased popularity would be undermined by the state; one example being Harold Wilson’s government.

  53. This has been ‘Tory’ rule, has it? Perhaps – if you differentiate between ‘Tory’ and ‘Conservative’. Criminal rule probably. Rule by homicidal kleptocrats, non-differentiable from the preceding lot, but not conservative. What did they conserve?

    The previous government did away with the rule against having to put yourself in jeopardy before the courts more than once for the same offence. So now, presumably, they can put you up before the beak until the court delivers the right answer – a bit like referenda. Habeas corpus and jury trial were under threat, Britain was complicit in torture and presumption of innocence has all but disappeared. Well, that wasn’t so much of a surprise. The ex-trots and militant students who replaced the small-c conservative socialists of my youth never liked any of that stuff anyway. But now we are supposed to be governed by a coalition part of which is ‘Conservative’ and the other part ‘Liberal’. If they were true to their names, why haven’t they restored the law against double jeopardy?

  54. doug scorgie

    15 Jul, 2014 - 4:53 pm

    RichieRich
    15 Jul, 2014 – 2:35 pm

    Lucid dreams.
    I experience such dreams occasionally and they are very strange. You know you are dreaming but you are in control of what happens in the dream. You can get up to all sorts of things.

  55. There’s a 17-year-old boy in the U.S. being charged with “paedophile” offences, and of being in possession of child pornography, because he and a 15-year-old girl exchanged a few explicit photos of themselves.

    The plans to medically induce an erection for him to take a photograph to compare to the offensive material to ascertain his guilt have been dropped because police themselves are making child prono!

    This is the results of the crooked perverts at the top making up laws that take a life of their own.

  56. A Tory majority is very unlikely, in my view, barring some major unforeseen event – too much UKIP support, too much baggage from five years of government and too much ambivalence towards Cameron himself. There simply aren’t enough Tory loyalists left to vote for them and many ‘floating voters’ will ironically vote UKIP.
    It’ll most likely be a hung parliament of some kind, although Labour may scrape in.
    As for the polls – there seems to be a campaign underway to suggest the Tories have a chance and UKIP support is evaporating. I just don’t believe them.

  57. Michael Perry

    16 Jul, 2014 - 11:12 am

    I am going to win the next general election, so forget about the Tories. Rupert Murdoch is lending his support to my campaign advocating free beer and chicken for every Sun reader. Gotcha!

  58. In a cynical electioneering move, the cruel and nasty policies of the nasty coalition exposed as useless and failing by the coalition’s own Mr Nasty.

    ‘Lib Dems are proposing changes to the housing benefit cut for people judged to have bedrooms they do not need.

    The changes, called the “bedroom tax” by critics but described by ministers as the removal of a “spare room subsidy”, were introduced last year in England, Scotland and Wales.

    Lib Dem Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander said it was “time to take stock and change our approach”.

    Labour accused the Lib Dems, who had supported the change, of “hypocrisy”.

    And a senior Conservative source told BBC political correspondent Chris Mason it was a “cynical PR stunt”.’

    Lib Dems propose housing benefit changes
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28339128

  59. Mjchael Perry :) Spot on.

    ~~~~

    The old lizard wants to expand his empire a little bit more by offering $80 billion!! for Time Warner.

    In retrospect, Wendi Deng will think she did the wrong thing in her dalliance with the British psychopath TB.

    Time Warner stock up 17% on news of Murdoch bid
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/07/16/murdoch-news-corp-time-warner/12721129/

  60. Sorry Michael not Mjchael.

  61. Scary stuff from Ellen Hodgson Brown on the US banking system. The whole rotten edifice could come crashing down.

    BlackRock and PIMCO are suing the major banks for £250billion losses.

    ‘Investors led by BlackRock, the world’s largest asset manager, and PIMCO, the world’s largest bond-fund manager, have sued some of the world’s largest banks for breach of fiduciary duty as trustees of their investment funds. The investors are seeking damages for losses surpassing $250 billion. That is the equivalent of one million homeowners with $250,000 in damages suing at one time.

    The defendants are the so-called trust banks that oversee payments and enforce terms on more than $2 trillion in residential mortgage securities. They include units of Deutsche Bank AG, U.S. Bank, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, HSBC Holdings PLC, and Bank of New York Mellon Corp. Six nearly identical complaints charge the trust banks with breach of their duty to force lenders and sponsors of the mortgage-backed securities to repurchase defective loans.’

    Blowback to the EU and the rest?

    Did the Other Shoe Just Drop?
    Big Banks Hit with Monster $250 Billion Lawsuit in Housing Crisis
    by Ellen Hodgson Brown / July 16th, 2014
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/07/did-the-other-shoe-just-drop/

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