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None of those things happen with the exploration of, development of, exploitation of, distribution of and use of fossil fuels? Or indeed the manufacture of anything else but renewable energy infrastructure? It only happens with solar panel production? There is no shipping involved in fossil fuels? Gimme a break Michael. Try out some coherence in your argument.
ET yes coherence is good.
In Germany they open cast dig for brown coal, possibly the most dirty option.
This is Germany, the largest economy in Europe, the third largest economy in the world, a modern E, rich, European nation.
Coherence has taken a back seat in Germany.If we in the U.K. were to mine our own Iron/Coal/Oil/Natural Gas,
we would be in a more coherent position.Michael, answer the question put to you.
I would suggest that a good democratic route for the Labour Government to take, would be to put before the electorate a board of options.
Lay out just what they feel is the existential catastrophe that awaits the U.K. if we ignore Global Warming.
Set out a range of choices, with their whole of life costs and whole of life Carbon releases.
Then ask the voting public to make a democratic choice.Michael, surely you mean any government regardless of flavour not only a labour government?
It has been suggested that currently the United Kingdom is contributing about 0.95% of Global Carbon dioxide emissions.
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Yes, you are completely correct, almost everything will cause Carbon dioxide to enter/reenter the air.
Yes, open cast Coal extraction is hugely Carbon emission intensive.
Possibly deep mined Coal might be slightly less?
I have little idea how much Oil drilling contributes to the World’s Carbon emissions, a lot, I guess.
In the olden days they used to flare off the Methane. It was a waste product – not now, the Natural Gas is extremely useful. All processes contribute to Carbon re-entering the atmosphere.
When a squirrel dies if that squirrel is not eaten straight away, it rots and Carbon goes into the air.
Quantifying these emissions and writing them down and discussing those emissions with the public, would be rather helpful.
If anything is to be achieved, it must be with the consent of the public, it should not be the Elite putting the public straight and railroading the public, that will end in revolution.ET, at the moment, we in the United Kingdom have a Labour Administration, they may be in power for ten years.
I doubt the Conservative Party, will be getting in, any time soon.
Possibly the Reform party might get in one day, they are keen on opening up our Carbon resources.
The moment is now or never. The Labour Party have an overwhelming number of members of Parliament, if the public are to e won over to the side of total commitment to Net Zero, it is now.
Or never.Michael, net-zero is the commited UK government policy to make moneys for USA not for the UK. You are contributing to that madness. Look at your high street. It’s American owned. What are you doing about this?
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I repeat,
the moment is now or never.
if the Elite ( whoever they support) wish a democratic alliance to drive through Net Zero,
they need to grab the moment by its bollocks, this moment is unlikely to come again.
The Conservative Party are giving up on Net Zero.
Even Tony Blair has given up on Net Zero.
The Reform Party wants to drill baby drill.
So, it is now or never.Michael:
– “it should not be the Elite putting the public straight and railroading the public” … “if the Elite (whoever they support) wish a democratic alliance to drive through Net Zero…”
Grief Michael, you think “the Elite” are a unified bloc! They’re capitalists, so by definition they’re in competition with each other! Until you realise that, you’re their fodder. You’ll vote for the interests of one elite faction or maybe another but with no real understanding either way; you’ll have been used.
You think the Koch brothers aren’t part of the elite? Or the Getty family?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_brothers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_family
Tony Blair??!! The man who devastated Iraq for its oil, and since then a grotesquely overpaid globetrotter making oil deals? Blair isn’t part of “the Elite”? A commenter on this site (who posted under the handles Komodo and Ba’al Zevul) meticulously documented Blair’s activities for nearly five years and recorded it all for posterity:
Michael:
– “Quantifying these emissions and writing them down and discussing those emissions with the public, would be rather helpful”
Well do your damn homework then and read the Stern Review; it’s only been available for two decades. Meanwhile, please stop blasting out one elite faction’s propaganda.
Michael, I’m sorry to have to tell you this but the depth of your folly is staggering. Here on this thread you have intelligent, informed, scientifically literate and independent people who have deeply considered humanity’s predicament and will actually discuss it with you; have discussed it with you for months.
But you prefer arrogantly to assume that we have all let ourselves be brainwashed, and regale us with the copious propaganda that spews forth from 55 Tufton Street, the Heartland Institute etc. etc, a bunch of the elite who you cannot hope to influence and who wouldn’t discuss with you for five minutes. All they want is your vote and your voice. You obligingly give away both, and then bang on about democracy as if it can’t be subverted by propaganda while clearly demonstrating that it can! You even promote it for them gratis, while they rake in the cash.
