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Ah, you want to argue about collapsing buildings again, another subject about which you know nothing. I did the Twin Tower calculations myself; I didn’t even need any accuracy to see that they collapsed just as they’d be expected to.
It seems pointless trying to reason with you. You prove Mark Lewis right. Thank goodness my hostility kept you at a distance that day at the High Court. With friends like you, Craig barely needs enemies.
– “Re the Citroen driver, it depends on his level of knowledge”
Right. But you know better than the vast majority of doctors, toxicologists, epidemiologists, and in particular, Ben Goldacre.
So, please list your qualifications and experience in the above fields. If none, please write “none” for the sake of other readers; you know, the ones you are trying to sway…
– “None of the doctors or parents in the articles and videos I linked use that argument”
No, but he wasn’t replying to that article you fool, and it is essentially your argument; “they are conspiring to kill us all, so every anti-establishment position is more true than theirs”.
Yeah, it’s all a big conspiracy.
Can I go home now Sir?
@ Clark August 26, 2019 at 17:01
As a Christian I have very good reason to believe that those in power are essentially evil; Jesus on at least three occasions referred to the Devil as the ‘Prince of this world’. I do not, however, expect you to believe that, just because it is in the New Testament. However, having that as an anchor, I am much more sure of the evil nature of our ‘Leaders and Betters’ when I see the results of their actions – not just selfish and self-serving, but in so many cases downright evil.
Here is another ‘anchor’ from the New Testament: ‘And the devil led him (Jesus) into a high mountain, and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And he said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them. If thou therefore wilt adore before me, all shall be thine.’ Luke lV : 5-7
It is my faith (and like I say, I don’t expect you to share it) which bolsters what otherwise would seem to be a cock-sure overconfidence in my assessments. It is also the result of a long life (I sense it coming to a close before long) largely campaigning against literally murderous, barbarous regimes, all too often supported by the so-called ‘Western Democracies’. Nowadays, they hardly bother to even profess to be ruled by treaties and agreements – take the false invasion of Iraq for non-existent WMD’s, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Venezuela, the reversion to good old Piracy by the ‘Royal Navy’ over the boarding and holding of the Iranian tanker.
International Treaties? Only till they don’t serve their pro-Western purposes.
Yes, I do tend to see evil surrounding us on all sides, but not from ‘conspiracy theories’ or paranoia, but from very real conspiracies and murderous crimes: Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: ‘..I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it..’ (Re 500,000 dead children due to Western sanctions, just like they are applying now against Syria, Iran, Venezuela).
And the nuking of Japan, not as claimed to speed up the end of the Pacific War, but to frighten and threaten Russia.
Neither we nor our cousins across the pond are, and probably never have been, the ‘good guys’, though Hollywood and the MSM might not agree.You carry on, giving the PTB the benefit of the doubt.
@ Clark August 26, 2019 at 17:02
Only after completing 100 lines: ‘I confess Paul is virtually always right’.‘March 2015 Settlements in Vaccine Court: 117 Vaccine Injuries and Deaths’:
https://vaccineimpact.com/2015/march-2015-settlements-in-vaccine-court-117-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths/
Look through the list of vaccine injuries, and notice not one case mentions autism.
I wonder what the reason could be? Oh, I wonder if it could possibly be because: ‘…That fund, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund, is currently over $3.5 billion, largely because the U.S. Government refuses to even hear cases related to autism which would quickly deplete the fund. (See: How the Government has Earned $3.5 BILLION from the Claim that Vaccines Don’t Cause Autism.)…’
Crafty lot, aren’t they? But megabucks at stake…
One of the agencies (I believe it was the CDC) even admitted only about 1% of vaccine injuries even get reported.And here come the cavalry!
‘Nonprofit Drug Maker Produces TB Antibiotic After Private Companies Wouldn’t’:
https://madisonarealymesupportgroup.com/2019/08/26/nonprofit-drug-maker-produces-tb-antibiotic-after-private-companies-wouldnt/
There are still decent people who work to truly cure or assist sick people, whose primary care is not filthy lucre.
And I’m sure they earn a decent living.
Companies need to make a profit, but not obscene profits at the patients’ or taxpayers’ expense, and by shady and dangerous illegalities.@ Clark August 26, 2019 at 17:01
Did Goldacre teach you the ‘straw-man’ technique, or did you teach him?
‘…“they are conspiring to kill us all, so every anti-establishment position is more true than theirs”.’ is not my argument, as should be clear to you.Very good interview, showing just how evil the Big Pharma Corporations are, and how they infiltrate and/or bribe government regulatory agencies (as well as assassinating doctors they see as problems):
‘The Persecution of David Noakes & Lyn Thyer’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpHFkhIBiR8
I’ve known the presenter for years, and have met David Noakes.‘JAMA Study: Flu Shots Are Killing Elderly Citizens In Record Numbers’:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190501073703/https://newspunch.com/jama-study-flu-shots-killing-elderly/
‘..Inquisitr.com reports: In her blog, Attkisson cites a buried JAMA study from almost a decade ago which showed that there was no improvement in mortality rates among senior citizens with a flu vaccine, even after greatly increased vaccination rates. The study “got little attention,” she says, “because the science came down on the wrong side.”
Whereas the researchers had set out to prove that the push for massive flu vaccination would save the world, the researchers were “astonished” to find that the data did not support their presupposition at all. The data actually shows that deaths increased, not decreased, among seniors following vaccination…’‘A nursing home near Atlanta, Georgia, now reports a devastating outcome to such a policy, according to Health Impact News. All of the residents of the Hope Assisted Living & Memory Care were given a flu vaccine on Friday, November 7. Every one of the senior citizens developed an immediate fever. Within the week following, five of them died. The source reports that the facility’s typical pattern is one or two losses every six months, frequently due to Alzheimer’s.
Questions must be asked, then, such as: do the benefits of getting a flu vaccine outweigh the risks, especially among vulnerable senior citizens? Or would they be better off choosing to reject the shot? Who benefits if evidence showing the harm of the vaccine is buried?..’The evidence builds up (good enough for me, anyhow. I don’t take the flu, shingles or pneumonia jabs, despite being ‘advised’ to due to my age.
– “You carry on, giving the PTB the benefit of the doubt.”
I think you should ask yourself why you assume that’s what I’m doing. My argument is not “the governments of the world are probably good”. My argument is “Paul Barbara and the websites he trusts are illiterate in science”. Assuming I’m a sheeple merely demonstrates your arrogance.
– “Did Goldacre teach you the ‘straw-man’ technique, or did you teach him?”
In other words, have I conspired with Goldacre? No I haven’t. I quote him because his arguments make more scientific sense than yours, and because he has a much more convincing explanation for your behaviour than you have for his.
Here is the article you accuse of trying “to destroy the credibility of the two researchers”:
I have read through it, and I cannot find a single sentence criticising the scientific reputation of the researchers. There is, however, criticism of their conclusions in that particular paper; is that what you’re unhappy about?
– “Don’t bother to trot out the ‘Official Narrative’ of how breathtakingly flawed all their work was, they were hounded because of what they exposed”
OK. So no scientific analysis is necessary. Since “Paul is virtually always right”, any contrary position is merely “The Official Narrative” and can be discounted.
Sorry, I got the link wrong (and the over-enthusiastic forum software embedded an extract). Here is the Globe and Mail article that you accuse of libel:
If you can’t see your own ego at work here then you must be blind to it. Maybe Jesus was tempted by the Devil, but you have clearly succumbed.
– “Look through the list of vaccine injuries, and notice not one case mentions autism. I wonder what the reason could be?”
It could be that there is extremely strong scientific evidence that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism.
Would you know where to look for such evidence? Would you know how to assess its accuracy? Those are questions, Paul; if you’re attempting discussion rather than ideological bludgeoning, please attempt to answer them.
– “do the benefits of getting a flu vaccine outweigh the risks?”
I don’t know; how would you find out? What evidence would you have to assess, where might you find it collated, and what other matters should be taken into consideration?
Maybe the best thing would be to compile every bad occurrence that might have been caused by a vaccination, ramp up the rhetoric and try to scare everyone off vaccination – never, ever mentioning the millions of preventable illnesses every year. After all, “Paul is virtually always right”.
Science = “whatever Paul says”.
Oh, so David Noakes isn’t a millionaire who tried to gain political power then?
I thought you claimed to have a distrust of the ‘elite’?
Paul, the arguments you have presented on this page are very unfocussed; first it’s Zuckerberg and Facebook, then it’s Google. Then mercury in vaccines, and then glyphosate. Then the Adkins family. Then Wikipedia. Then the “human culling” theory. Then Craig’s mods are conspiring against you (retracted, thankfully!). Next it’s the ‘suppression of GcMAF, Goldman Sachs and the ‘persecution’ of millionaire and UKIP hopeful David Noakes. Then the ‘persecution’ of Wakefield, Seralini and Pusztai.
As best I can make out, your argument goes like this:
“I have presented so many examples that there must be corruption. As corruption has been proven, all my examples are almost certainly true”.
This is not a scientific argument. Scientific arguments examine evidence relevant to a specific scientific claim, and only that; eg. “Merck covered up vioxx side effects” (which they did) is not evidence that fish oils increase intelligence.
And you have a very odd idea of what is ‘natural’ and what isn’t. Drinking colloidal silver (as advocated on about half the sites you promote) is not natural, and neither is injecting anything, let alone GcMAF. Vaccines do prime the genuinely natural immune system, yet you promote the campaign of spreading fear of them.
If you really want to know what Big Pharma get up to, you need to read Goldacre’s Bad Pharma – more than 400 pages about pharmaceutical scams with the collusion of the industry regulators. But before you could understand it you’d need to read Bad Science.
@ Clark September 3, 2019 at 12:25
No, David Noakes isn’t a millionaire, he’s been robbed of everything.
He is not one of the ‘Elite’, he was a well-meaning entrepreneur (in the mold of Aaron Russo).
Just en passant, Prof. Leroy Hulsey’s report is out, in case your interested. I’m not proposing we discuss it, just letting you know things are moving on that front.@ Clark September 3, 2019 at 12:23
If you check the list of payments for ill effects by the Vaccine Court (that I put up here previously) you will note that most of the payments are re the Flu Vaccine. Do you take it? I don’t.@ Clark September 3, 2019 at 13:32
I don’t agree with Noakes’ politics; I voted out, but like Craig believe some kind of deal like I think Norway has with the EU would be fine. The one thing I don’t want to see is us as under the thumb of the US and it’s ‘Trade Deals’, forcing all manner of junk down our throats like GMO’s, chlorinated chicken, hormone-filled beef and dairy and pesticides, herbicides and 5G for afters. And of course, bye bye NHS.
I wanted out because I saw the EU as a massive building block of the NWO; I still see it that way, but I had not understood we would be putting ourselves at the mercy of the Yanks and their ‘Deals’ that we couldn’t refuse (at least, they wouldn’t be refused by the Tories).
Sure, I tie in a lot of different things in this thread, because the issues are linked by the bad results they will have for the majority, and the vast profits they have for the PTB.
If your Goldacre has spent 400 pages informing you and anyone else who reads his book just how evil Big Pharma is, I’m surprised it hasn’t percolated through to you yet.@ Clark September 3, 2019 at 13:32
“I have presented so many examples that there must be corruption. As corruption has been proven, all my examples are almost certainly true”.
That is broadly my position – I give so many examples that it hopefully becomes apparent that these big corporations are corrupt and evil – any exception (if you can find any) will prove the rule.
And these same evil, corrupt corporations, as well as foreign governments, bribe and/or blackmail the eminently corruptible politicians who rule us. So they easily gain effective control of ‘Regulatory Agencies’, which are often infiltrated by ‘revolving door’ corporation plants, or emasculated by corporation lobbying of the government.
Yesterday, I more-or-less politely declined the kind offer of electric and gas ‘Smart’ meters, another killer.
When asked why, I replied ‘Because I’m not stupid’. 5G, Fracking, GMO’s, Regime Change wars – when are people going to wise up?– “I’m surprised it hasn’t percolated through to you yet”
Again, please try to read what I actually write, rather than what you think I mean. On this thread I have repeatedly expressed my distrust of the big pharmaceutical companies. I quoted Goldacre; “Big pharma is evil: I would agree with that premise”, and I even criticised a passage that you yourself cited, because it equivocates and pulls its punches.
But I don’t think MMR causes autism etc., and so you filter out what I’m trying to tell you. You thereby confirm Goldacre’s criticism:
– “‘Big pharma is evil,’ goes the line of reasoning, ‘therefore
homeopathy works andthe MMR vaccine causes autism.’”What’s this “everything” he’s been robbed of? He was operating out of Guernsey; there ain’t no paupers there; I’ve seen for myself!
He’s not a scientist or an academic. He worked for the MSM and JP Morgan Chase Bank.
– “Prof. Leroy Hulsey’s report is out…”
If you remember what I actually wrote on the 9/11 Thread, I suspect that WTC7 may have been subject to emergency demolition, prompted and undertaken by some very brave and determined fire-fighters, a decision made just before the WTC7 exclusion zone was enforced; there are multiple strands of circumstantial evidence which point that way. The bottom-up collapse of WTC7 tells us nothing about the top-down collapses of the Twin Towers.
