Wishing you and your family a good year ahead..keep up the good work you stuzzicatore.....hope my translations correct

Wishing you and your family a good year ahead..keep up the good work you stuzzicatore.....hope my translations correct

The trophy videos a sickening inditement of 'cantractors' aka mercenaries behaviour.

let them see justice in Iraqi......

hope your watching bush and blair....

On a happier note I've just heard that obama been sunnying himself in hotter climates. How the fuck he manages to look at his wife and kids when killing innocents civilians using drones (sorry there all named 'callatoral damage') is fucking beyond me. But there again is nice having such a orator fronting a war machine

"Tony Blair's Pet Bulldog"

A warning about private contractors in Iraq from 2004...

http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0266.html

I think you may have the judge wrong on this one. It looks like the prosecutors deliberately buggered up their case.

Still not sure why anyone expects the US to behave differently though. We wouldn't be surprised at Nazi bad behaviour. Why should we be surprised at the behaviour of an even bigger war criminal.

I remember in an interview once with Prince Charles, he suggested that since the British Army were the best in the world at what they do, we ought to rent them out and make some money from their expertise.

He said this with a little smirk and snigger, in acknowledgement that it was a controversial thing to say in public, but I suspect it's not so controversial in private. Anyway, they've been rented out to corporate interests for years.

Not sure I'd want to do too much dying for fat corporates for £13,000 a year, whilst war criminals like Blair and his greedy bitch wife trouser millions.

Mustn't be too bright, these squaddies...

Thank-you Craig - you are a man of distinction - a leader.

Can they be tried in Iraq, or did western mercenaries have legal immunity at the time of the massacre?

Obviously they will not set foot in Iraq any time soon, but I doubt the issue will go away. Perhaps it will not be as easy to hide from justice in 20 or 30 years time.

Looking at the Simon Mann case and his attempted coup, I have the feeling that these mercenaries aren't really that competent, so it's probably not a good idea to leave them totally unnacountable to law and criticism.

We see a lot of this incompetence in private companies, as government transfers increasingly more and more public business to them.

I know that the A4e company was built on contracts from its friends in New Labour, particularly Blunkett. One of the interesting aspects of these contracts is that those awarding them were not allowed to make decisions based on past performance. Hardly the best way to ensure that public monies are wisely spent.

But that's the point. These private companies operate with less control and scrutiny than the public bodies that preceded them. Same with the mecenaries.

"We wouldn't be surprised at Nazi bad behaviour. Why should we be surprised at the behaviour of an even bigger war criminal."

And this moron calls himself Winston Smith. Beyond parody.

Here's a contribution from our own 'lads':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoRpfRhXDFc

This bunch of shoot-'em-up cowboys apparently work for Aegis Defence Services.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1381

Clearly, these killers are responsible for many deaths, but perhaps did not manage a Blackwater/.XE scale massacre in one go. At least, not one that we know about.

What did Spicer get his OBE for again?

Funny old world:

That is why I regard so-called 'New Labour' as not only thieves and gangsters, but as traitors: they have steadily transferred the powers vested in them by their employers, the public, for the purpose of serving said employers, to their cronies and out of public control. And of course, to the EU, where many of said cronies have fat salaries and are similarly unaccountable to the public.

The following article is an example of the most completely brilliant investigative journalism I have seen.

Deek Jackson is a hero of mine, but he didn't write it - just posted it on his blog...

The Underwear Bomber – Crushing Freedom With Phony Arab Terrorism

Joe Quinn
SOTT.net
Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:30 EST

http://main.fknnewz.com/blog/?p=1069

Tony

Anyone who refers to him as a 'terrorist' in scare quotes is as thick as two short planks. And anyone who quotes this crap with admiration is several sandwiches short of a picnic.

This Gordon Bennet seems unable to distinguish between argumentative and argument.

It's comforting though to know that one with his views is also exceedingly dim.

Cause and effect, I suppose.

Mark Golding,

"Thank-you Craig - you are a man of distinction - a leader."

I agree.

People like Craig Murray, inspire me, because he is a man of principal, who exhibits the most tremendous courage, in bringing some of the most aweful things to the attention of Millions...

He knows that those in control of us are evil, but he is still incredibly naive and doesn't fully understand the extent of the evil...

Sure he know lots of people in high places, and though horrible, it is not at that level where the real problem lies...

Yes we can see Movies like V for Vendetta - and the really funny one - that the UK Government have given full access to the Film Companies to even use the interior of Number 10 for what is a supposed fictional and hilarious account of the workings of Government, that is just so close to the truth...

But the Real Evil is Out There and it is at a Much More Powerful Level Than Our Political Pygmies Tony Blair, Dick Cheney and George Bush...

Sure almost anyone can be corrupted, and become a tool of a much greater power...

But we at the Oldham Working Class Level Can See This Happenning

And we do our best to fight back with words, because we really don't want to go to the next level

The situation in America is somewhat different - because the Michigan Working Class Level are Being Screwed Even Harder Than Working Class People From Oldham...

I Can't see any way, that The American Working Class are Not Going To Get EXTREMELY ANGRY

And whilst I am just armed with a pint of Pendle Witch, they are armed with Machine Guns

Its going to be horrible, unless we use WORDS to bring us back to our senses...

I sometimes get into discussions with these Right Wing American Lunatics with Guns, and They Make it Quite Clear That They Want To Kill Me, and Splatter My Guts Everywhere, but they hate their President even more than me...

I try and explain, that he is just a Politician, and that the problem goes much higher, and that it is not him, but the person who has got his finger up the President's Arse

And they object to my spelling - and say its Ass

Love & Peace and More Lancashire Eccles Cakes

Tony

Tony - you need to stop buying this climate change denial BS that the rich and big business is foisting on you. What's going to bring you to your senses? When the Maldives are something you can only visit in history books? When the North Pole is completely free of ice? When Polar Bears are extinct?

If you think you know better than the consensus of the world's climate scientists, why don't you write a paper on the subject, publish it, and get it peer reviewed - your proof that climate change isn't happening?

Nobody's managed it yet. And the oil/gas/coal industry will give you a considerable payment if you can.

For God's sake, Tony, get a grip. You're rational enough with your views in other respects.

glenn,

I know you mean well, but I have not been programmed by anyone since I rejected the Roman Catholic Religion at the Age of 15...

Well of course I have a bit - because mind programming is all around you...

But at the age of 15, having freed myself from this Religious Nonsense in a Confessional ( I Was an Altar Boy and My Parents Wanted Me to Be a Catholic Priest )...

My training as a Scientist Continued...

And My Career was all about Analysing Stuff And Finding Solutions To Real Problems - and Turning Them Into Solutions That Worked...

If I Had Been Shit at it, then I would have died in the gutter 25 years ago

I have been where you are and done that (and actually still do)

I am not being controlled by Big Energy

My Motivation is To Find Real Solutions To The Worlds Real Problems

If You Think The World's Problems Have Anything Whatsoever About The Levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, then I will quite happilly smoke a joint with you at a Climate Camp, and I will bring on the The Drummers...and tell you what I told the Priest...

He was in mental control of me, then I realised that when he wanted to know all the details of my confession - which I made up about what I was fantasizing about a girl in my class at school..

It was Me that was in Control of him - The Priest Wanking his pants in the confessional...The more I told him, the more detail I gave him about how we slowly made love and I ejaculated deep inside her.. the more excited he became. The fact that I made it all up is not the point. It was exactly what I wanted to do - but we were both innocent 15 year old virgins, and if and when it happenned was absolutely nobody elses business but ours.

I Never went back

But explaining this to my Parents and my Older Brothers and Sisters that I was no longer a Catholic and would not be going back to Church...

Took Real Courage...

You See - I Used to Believe the Entire Thing

Objective Analysis, has brought me to the Conclusion that Jesus Christ Probably Never Existed as a Real Human Being...

Trying to explain this especially to Someone who is Smiling After His "God" Experience at His New Church Of Global Warming where he has been dancing and singing and having the same kind of experience that you get from listening to Brian Eno & The Psycho Killer's My Life in The Bush of Ghosts - is Not Likey To Have any Effect

Most People believe in nonsense.

The evidence is overwhelming.

Once you slowly realise that at least some of your core beliefs may be wrong, then you can maybe start to learn something new and ask questions.

Check out how a 2 year old learns, and wonder at their Magnificence.

Some parents subcontract out this experience so that they can afford a bigger TV to watch Vera Duckworth even larger.

Tony

tony, you claim to be a scientist. From which University did you receive your PhD? Where is your PhD dissertation? What peer-reviewed papers have you published? How many of them are on climatology?

I don't believe you are a scientist. I think you're a deluded crank. Prove me wrong.

Religions are not generally endorsed by _all_ the world's most prestigious scientific bodies. Here's some:
http://www.nationalacademies.org/includes/G8+5energy-climate09.pdf
http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2009/media/1021climate_letter.pdf

Tony - thank you for your reply, and everything you said makes total sense on religion. I was brought up as a Christian in the Baptist traditions, and believed every single word of the Bible, as we were called upon to do. I went forward and became evangelical in my mid-teens, and wanted nothing more than to become the best Christian I could be. At the age of about 17, I decided the best way to know Him better was to read the Bible thoroughly, so I did.

Reading in Exodus that Moses appealed for his people to go, "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart" (Ex. 9:12) bothered me greatly. Why didn't God just lighten the Pharaoh up a bit?

Reading on, that God had allowed the Egyptians to enter the parted sea, and then killed them all, I was greatly troubled. Why hadn't the Red Sea closed behind the Jews, so they could just get away? Reading about the walls of Jericho, and their "mighty men of valour", and all the inhabitants slaughtered... how fathers gave away their daughters to be raped and "made a burnt offering thereof" etc. ... I came to a horrible conclusion.

The God of Christianity could not possibly be the God of love that I'd thought. My faith went quickly downhill, and I've never looked back. I'm proud to be an atheist now.

I imagine that's why Catholics aren't supposed to read Bibles much. Like Adam Smith - free-market worshipers revere him, but aren't supposed to read his stuff. Or the belief system will fall apart.

*

But back to global climate change - nobody brainwashed me into believing that climate change is happening, and I've been studying the subject long before mainstream media/ politicians etc. even bothered mentioning it. Those concerned about climate change were considered outsiders, cranks, just plain stupid until pretty recently.

Real climate change scientists are tearing their hair out that MSM still treats the subject as a "debate", where an oil-company shill should hold the same weight as the entire climatologists' consensus.

It beats me why decent people like you, Tony, want to get into bed with the oil companies and the 'business as usual' crowd on this one.

And I'd definitely be up for a 'smoke' to discuss this sometime. Name the Climate Camp event!

(Sorry for the slightly off-topic posts here.)

Some of these Music Gods turn up in some of our local pubs, and sometimes they play and sometimes they don't, but whilst nearly all musicians whether or not they have been comercially successful or not are just incredibly ordinary people to talk to...

Its just a fucking job, and in most cases extremely poorly paid...

The thing is, being a musician, is not something you have much of a choice about...

You just have to do it nearly every day, particulaly if you are a guitarist...

Otherwise your fingers get sore

My wife and daughter have just told me, that someone has just killed themselves, just up the road from where we live.

They probably believed the propaganda and couldn't take it any more.

We don't know who it is, but the body bag is there and the Police (who I have enormous respect for) are dealing with it and cleaning up the mess.

There is a lot of it about.

Tony

Yes Tony - Craig has got balls and you need a decent pair to go against the flow.
I met Robin Cook at a R4 'Question Time' debate. I spoke to him after the show and he was seriously worried about staying in politics - he was genuinely scared and asked me what he should do. I've known Bridget from J7 Truth Campaign and she and Ant have been intimidated. I speak with Annie Machon and she remains extremely cautious. I am not name dropping; all these people have tremendous courage against evil. Don't get me wrong I am not a pacifist or a conspiracy theorist, in fact I am ex Navy and my 'mates' are all against these so called 'wars' against an unknown enemy that we must be kept 'safe' from by preemptive aggression.

I do feel pity for ordinary Americans who have to endure constant monitoring and real life attacks on their liberty. Our hardened exterior tends to nullify this 'fear mongering' with some insight as to why from this post some two years ago:

Understanding 21st Century Terror

To understand terrorism it is critical to engage in dialogue with the terrorist to understand the cause. By understanding, it then becomes possible to reduce or even eliminate acts of terror.

From a British prospective we draw on our experience of terrorist acts by the Irish Republican Army, the IRA, whose cause was essentially political, a united Ireland separated entirely from British rule.

The history of the conflict serves to remind us that after the invasion, Irish men and women resisted British rule for 800 years and fought a military campaign against occupation. Ireland was eventually partitioned by an act of Parliament without the consent of the Irish people.

In Ireland we witnessed military intervention to quell riots and ‘internment without trial’ to round up trouble-makers in dawn raids. Religion also played a part because most republicans from southern Ireland were Catholic and many Unionists from the North, Protestant mainly because their ancestors were originally from Protestant British main-land. Religion however was a handy ‘tool’ to gain external support from the Catholic movement in America who provided finance and even weapons.

This was always a political war and death caused by hunger strikes was a weapon to garnish external support from Europe where the Human Rights Council ruled that interrogation techniques used on internees amounted to "inhuman and degrading" treatment.

We should take note however that peace was obtained by using Christianity as a common bond between two leaders (Paisley and Blair) to agree a truce and integration of opposing parties towards a common aim. Thus history is rewritten and the Irish terrorists became freedom fighters.

Knowing all this we can certainly draw parallels to our 21st century ‘war on terror’, we understand the religious constructs, the military invasions, the internments (rendition), torture at Camp Delta and the British dawn raids on Muslims.

But how did this ‘war’ start and why is it called a ‘war between good and evil? How do ‘de facto’ governments like the Taliban suddenly become ‘terrorists’ and ‘terrorists’ become freedom fighters as they did in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union?

It was the ‘evil of communism’ obsessively promoted and advanced by western societies and the religious fervour that Russia was a ‘Godless’ society that promoted a ‘jihad’ or ‘holy war’ from sympathetic Muslims in surrounding regions as well as support from western governments, so the Afghan terrorist in the eyes of Russia became the mujaheddin or soldiers of the holy war.

But things change.

This was a war between good and evil and Muslim sympathy focused on atrocities against the people of Palestine by Israel. America was seen to support the Israeli actions and became ‘the Great Satan’, now a threat to Muslims world-wide. A dominating, hegemous America turned into a catalyst for ‘global jihad’, this war became asymmetric, jihad soldiers become ‘suicide bombers,’ deadly killers far removed from martyrs of IRA hunger strikes.

The Iraq war and the threat to Iran by America began to change world opinion and as this year closes we note a withdrawal of British forces from Iraq as again we resort to a common belief between leaders that peace must be achievable at all costs to prevent destruction of all we cherish in this world.

Tony seems a little shy about his credentials.

Anyway, some links:

Why scientists use tree rings as a temperature proxy, and why they break late 20th century:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/why_climatologists_used_the_tr.php

Debunking claims about fraud in CRU code:
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/12/quote_mining_code.php

Factcheck.org on "climategate":
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/

Nature on "climategate":
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v462/n7273/full/462545a.html

Anthony Watts is full of shit:
http://www.desmogblog.com/climate-crock-week-whats-anthony-watts-take-2

Tony, read James Lovelocks 'The Revenge Of Gaia'. It is very well argued from a man who has spent his whole life working in environmental science. It is very grim reading that even the MSM do not want to bring up. He makes many very strong points, backed with evidence that even pursuaded me to swallow my lifetime fear of nuclear energy. Time is very short for this planet to sort out the CO2 problem, we can do it if we act fast. But dithering about what is science fact or not will kill not just mankind, but all life (possibly the only life in the universe) Read, learn, and get with the vast majority of science thinking.

Craig, the Aegis footage just sickens me to the core. It gives cause to think that acts like this was not just a one off piece trophy footage.

Private, unaccountable armies, given immunity from procecution should be outlawed at once. At UN level. (not that the US gives a flying fig for the UN 95% of the time)

Glenn,

In a sense we are going through a Massive Climate Change, but it has absolutely nothing about how warm or cold our planet is...

It may well have an enormous thing about how us humans have been fucking our home - our planet up. We see it everywhere. I do everything I can to minimise my own pollution and do not fart in my local pub, because it is totally and completely socially unacceptable...

My wife meanwhile goes round collecting rubbish that ignorant twats just throw away...

A real education on the subject of care for your local village we learnt when our kids were young and we took her parents to a little village I used to Fly Gliders from Sutton Bank over in North Yorkshire...

Not a blade of grass was out of place.

Not one cigarette had been discarded. Not one building did not look as immaculate as the day it was built - sometime over the last few hundred years...

Sure it was like a pristine model village in some museum - except it is Real, and The People are Real and They Live In Their Village, just like people have done for thousands of years - and they grow food.

And they are incredibly welcoming and friendly.

And you naturally respect such beauty.

I think they filmed some of Brideshead Revisited nearby..

As I type, my wife is doing her best to try and find out exactly who has committed suicide just up the road...

She is running to the Copper - and asking if they have analysed the blood to get their DNA yet (well actually no - just phoning up everyone we know - to see if anyone knows anything)

Tony

Tony youre fine, but your posts are too long and self referential.

crab,

Do want a job as my editor? You can delete everything I say that does not conform to your point of view, and then you can publish the final finished product of what you think about the world.

But before I appoint you as my editor, can you say something self referential about yourself - such that I have a reference point to make a self referential judgement about you.

For all I know you could be a complete TWAT.

Tony

http://angrysoba.blogspot.com/2010/01/james-balog-time-lapse-proof-of-extreme.html

Thanks for that, soba.

I think we - humanity are on the cusp of great change...

Whilst shit happens, most of it is being imposed on us from above - the People in Control of Us.

The People Who Are In Control Of What We Read In Our Newspapers and What We See On Our TV Screens

Even Drunken Old Working Class Farts From Oldham Realise That We Have a Bunch Of Completely HORRIBLE People in Control Of Us...

And There are So Many Of Us, That The Climate Really Is Changing

Sure we know you have control of all the Money and have Enormous Power

But we also know that you are not an Alien Infection of the Planet Earth, and Are Not Only Human, But You Have People Like Dick Cheney and Tony Blair as Your Puppet Stars...

People are Beginning To Notice

Sure We Have Seen The Wizard of Oz

We just haven't yet decided what we are going to do with you after you have faced Trial For War Crimes Against Humanity...

The thing is You are So Completely Up Your Own Arse That You Think Al Gore Invented The Internet...

Blatant Opportunists and Snake Oil (Bullshit) Salesmen...

When it comes to the Crunch you couldn't fight your way out of a Paper Bag

You think you don't have to - because we have got the Power - The Military in Control

Whereas I am calling For The Military To Take Control and Dismiss All You Corrupt Politicians And After a Stabilization Process of a Year or So (When Nothing Much Changes and Everyone Realises That You Politicians Are Completely Unnecessary - and The Rest Of The World Can Get Along Fine Without You), Hold Free and Fair Elections with all Former Politicians Disbarred...

If You Actually Want To Be a Politician You are Not Worthy Of The Job

The Only True Leaders of Society Do It, Not Because They Want To Do It, But Because Everyone Pushes Them Forward To Do The Job. They Don't Seek Election.

crab - the above needs editing
Thanks

Did you see the crab seals and the killer whales today?

It was on BBC in High Definition...

Amazing how many Killer Whales you can find if you go to places where they are feeding

Tony

So much complicated discussion around what is a simple state of affairs. It is about the economy, stupid - the US economy. The US has an economy with only a few interesting things left to export commercially to keep the dollar alive - Microsoft, Apple, Boeing, McDonalds, Coca-Cola, Hollywood. It used to have more major attractive deals on offer from manufacturing industries, but China and India have been given the jobs instead and have bank balances to show for it.

What else? All the USA seems to have left to sell are financial fraud schemes and of course the biggest elephant in the room by far - war.

The American economy is in one big mess and war has been its only growth industry for years, and a huge money-spinner it is too for suppliers like Blackwater XE. Unfortunately war does not create wealth which is what capitalism has always depended on - the main thing it creates is widows, orphans and chaos.

Look no further for an explanation for the US's (and UK's) death-wish in the Middle East. War is a major US employer in one way or another and Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama will not do one single thing to stop the wars in the Middle East. Nor will any obedient poodle US client states like the UK offer any obstruction. Get used to it.

War makes money for US companies, war in the Middle East keeps Israel happy - an irresistable combination for Congress and Senate alike. Neither Brown nor Cameron will say a word in protest in the UK - they'll just shed crocodile tears whenever the coffins come home from Afghanistan and take lunch with the next US politician to give them a call.

"I am calling For The Military To Take Control"

Just in case somebody reading this didn't already think Tony is a nutcase he posts this. The Very Significant Capitalisation only adds to the air of crazy.

*I mean "tony_opmoc" not "Tony"

Please define which Tony is a nutcase, or quite possibly both of us. If I am confusing things I apologise - we may both be Tonys but at least neither of us is a Blair.

As far as US foreign policy is concerned unelected hawks are already in control now and have been for years, - much more than political parties now anyhow. Obama was voted in on his promises to bring change, and in the Middle East we have escalation if anything. That shows he has negligible influence because others are in charge. Obama said he would sort out Israeli illegal Palestinian settlements and he ran away crying when Netanyahu said 'no', then shut up.

"Obama said he would sort out Israeli illegal Palestinian settlements and he ran away crying when Netanyahu said 'no', then shut up."

I think that was the moment I knew - that Obama was going to be nothing like we'd hoped. Yes, I was naive, and expected some real changes.

amk,

My Grand Father was an Officer and a Gentleman

Both My Older Brothers Became Members of The Royal Army Medical Corps

I Have Personal Friends Who Have Served Our Country In The Military, The Police and The Health Service and The Fire Brigade

My Dad Helped Design and Deploy The Mulberry Harbour in Our Fight Against Evil

Now, I am a Pacifist

And Have Never Done any Of These Things

But I Have Far More Respect For The Military Than I Do For Any Fucking Politicians...

Sure I find it hard to understand how they can take instructions from people like Geoff Hoon - and The Current Idiot...

But at The Highest Level and on The Ground Level - the Kids who actually risk their lives fighting wars they do not understand...

I DRINK WITH THEM

And I know what they think

Yes I Want Military Rule For a Short Period...

I Think It is The Only Way To Restore True Democracy.

If you think we are living in a Democracy at the Moment - You are Incredibly Ignorant

Craig Murray Demonstrated That Quite Clearly in Norwich...

He Got No Access To The Media

No-one could hear what he had to say

He was drowned out with 156 seperate pieces of Paper shoved through peoples letter boxes, which the fascists didn't even issue on soft toilet paper - such that they could have found a use for it

Craig Murray Tried

What Have You Done?

Delivered Toilet Paper?

Tony

I am also going to say this in respect for all the kids who lived in the road where we live...

We live in a tree-lined avenue - where nearly all the windows of the surving houses were blown out

Where we live is close to an airfield

That was incredibly important in Us Winning the Battle of Britain

And I have recently been watching some of the old films....

And when the Spitfires Landed...

My Dad who was a Completely BRILLIANT ENGINEER...

Was Getting The Kids Back Into The AIR

Cos It Was a Fight Against Evil

And Our SPITFIRES were Really Good And My Dad Could Fix Them

Tony

And so you don't really think about it. You have done all the training at University and they offer you a job - and you take it and move from Manchester to London

And you are in the same block of offices and you are working on designing the latest electronic weapon of mass destruction to defend our democracy against all the evil forces of communism in 1966 and you are working in the same block as EMI Studios
And these hairy blokes turn up to record their next album and you talk to them in the pub...

And my Sister Does Not Understand

She Can't Believe That Her Husband Has Given Up an Incredibly Well Paid Job...

But I Always Thought My Brother-in-Law
was Brilliant especially the only time I beat him at Chess...

He Simply Couldn't Do It Any More

He Resigned

I think He May Have Been Drinking With John Lennon

Tony

Hi Tony,
My Dad was navigator on Mosquito and Lancaster fighter/bombers in WWII and after brief spell on civvy street returned to RAF for 27 years, so I'm a RAF brat, now with one son in Army (parachute regiment) and one in Navy (fleet arm).
I regard our armed forces with respect and admiration, but the fact has to be acknowledged that they are in effect graduate schools for mercenaries worldwide.
All that training and knowledge without the traditional constraints of loyalty to a country or to a regiment makes for some dangerous loose cannons.

What about Our Planet?

Sure Us Humans Have Fucked It Up a Bit

But The Devastation We Have Caused Is Nothing Like As Bad As You May Believe...

Yes We have Dramatically Reduced The Number of Land Based Animals Who Want To Attack and Eat Us

And Yes We Should as a Part of Being The Current Guardians of Our Planet Reserve Extremely Large Areas Of Wilderness Where We Don't Intrude

And Under The Current System of Capitalism - That Seems Impossible - But Its ALREADY DEAD...

So we have to pick ourselves up back off the floor - and look around...

And Realise That Most Human Beings are Actually Really Nice

For Example Where we Live we Can All Dance Together - Multiple Cultures From All Over The World - and Sure Lots of Us Want To Fuck Each Other - But The Evidence is That Despite The Fact We Love Each Other and Fuck So Much - Our Population is DECLINING SIGNIFICNTLY...

So if we can just subtley influence the rest of the World to slowly bring the advantages of education and plumbing and clean water systems and protecting your own seed stock from infiltration from genetically modified food and terminator seeds....

We can maintain our Diversity and Our Humanity - Because With Education and a Feeling Of Safety and Security...

Two Children Are Enough

I Reckon Our Kids Love Us Enough - That They Will Still Be Diving With Us In The Indian Ocean When We are 90 Years Old...

Come on Dad - You Can Still Do It -

Tony

I Pose as a Question

Has Any Muslim You Have Ever Met - Tried To Convert You To His Religion?

Do You Think It Likely That You Are Going To Get Your Prayer Mat Out at Some time in The Future

And Stick Your Bum In The Air

And Point It To Mecca

Or The Other Way Round?

If Stupid Cunts Want To Do This - Then Leave Them To It

They Aren't Causing Any Problems - and The Music From The Call To Prayer in Places Like Marrakech - (sorry if I have spelt it wrong) is really nice

I just preferred the smell of horse shit to mopeds...

But even so

If people want to Pray to their Allah - just leave them to it...

Us Western Cunts - Totally Unprovoked Have Killed Millions Of Completely Innocent People Who were Doing Us No Harm Whatsoever To Steal Their Oil From Them

We Are Completely Disgusting

Tony

Someone here on Craig Murray's website said Free Speech is Dead - and You Cannot Say What You Think

Well I Come From Oldham And I will Say What The Fucking Hell I Want To Say

If Someone Wants To Kill Me

Then Fucking Well Get On With It

I Am Amazed I am Still Alive and Healthy

And Sometimes I Say Stuff and Completely Upset Even My Best Friend...

And Then I Apologise, Even Though I Did Nothing and Said Nothing That Wasn't True...

There is Nothing Wrong With Aplogising

Sure it shows a bit of Personal Humility But That is O.K.

Sometimes it is Completely Necessary

I Really Do Not Want To Fight My Best Friend

For a Start He is Much Fitter Than Me - and Could Beat Me to a Pulp

But If I Think He is Being a Cunt - I May Emotionally Explode in Such a way that I am hearing Fourth Hand Totally Corrupted Versions of What Happenned from people who weren't even there.

Now crab - edit that

We got it all back together, but I did do one hell of a lot of emotional crawling and I hadn't even shagged his Girlfriend.

Though he shagged nearly every beautiful girl in the pub

Tony

Blackwater is a Knights of Malta outfit.

The company therefore,now already active in Pakistan,is above the law.

The Knights have been integral to the Anglo-US defence/intelligence establishment for some time.

http//www.illuminati-news.com/2007/1014.html

Finally someone brought up the Blackwater / Knights of Malta connection!

Did anyone realize that Blackwater was mentioned in the Protocols? Look it up!

The occupied government of Afghanistan and the United Nations have both concluded that U.S.-led troops recently dragged eight sleeping children out of their beds, handcuffed some of them, and shot them all dead. While this apparently constitutes an everyday act of kindness, far less intriguing than the vicious singeing of his pubic hairs by Captain Underpants, it is at least a variation on the ordinary American technique of murdering men, women, and children by the dozens with unmanned drones.

Also this week in Afghanistan, eight CIA assassins (see if you can find a more appropriate name for them) were murdered by a suicide bombing that one of them apparently executed against the other seven. The Taliban in Pakistan claims credit and describes the mass-murder as revenge for the CIA's drone killings. And we thought unmanned drones were War Perfected because none of the right people would have to risk their lives. Oops. Perhaps Detroit-bound passengers risked theirs unwittingly.

The CIA has declared its intention to seek revenge for the suicide strike. Who knows what the assassination of sleeping students was revenge for. Perhaps the next lunatic to try blowing up something in the United States will be seeking revenge for whatever Obama does to avenge the victims (television viewers?) of the Crotch Crusader. Certainly there will be numerous more acts of violence driven by longings for revenge against the drone pilots and the shooters of students.

In a civilized world, the alternative to vengeance is justice. Often we can even set aside feelings of revenge as long as we are able to act so as to deter more crime. But at the same time that the puppet president of Afghanistan is demanding the arrest of the troops who shot the handcuffed children, the puppet government of Iraq is facing up to the refusal of the United States to seriously prosecute the Blackwater assassins of innocent Iraqis. Justice will not be permitted as an alternative to vengeance -- the mere idea is anti-American.

No one so much as blinks at the CIA's avowal of vengeance for the recent suicide attack, never mind the illegality, because the entire illegal war on Afghanistan/Pakistan was launched and is still maintained as a pretended act of revenge for the crimes of 9-11. Of course, we're not bombing the flight schools or the German and Spanish hotels. Of course , we admit that there are fewer than 100 members of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Of course we openly seek massive permanent bases and an oil pipeline. Of course, Obama's decisions are all electoral calculations computed by the calculus of cowardice. Of course, we're prosecuting the Butt Bomber as a criminal, just as we always used to prosecute criminals as criminals. Of course, revenge would not be a legal justification for war even if we could persuade ourselves it was a sane one. But the war is publicly understood as revenge, the resistance by its victims is understood as revenge, the escalation is understood as revenge for the resistance, and an eye for an eye slowly makes the whole world blind.

But here's what we've forgotten: nothing is ever remotely as horrible as war. So, nothing can ever constitute a justification for launching or escalating or continuing a war. Dragging children out of bed and killing them is not a freak blip in the course of a war. It is war reduced to a comprehensible scale. It's less war, not worse war. Everything we are spending our grandchildren's unearned pay on, borrowed from China at great expense, all of it is for the murdering of human beings. And it will remain so for eternity, no matter how many times you chant "Support Duh Troops."

I know many soldiers and mercenaries had few other options, given our failure to invest in any other industries. I know they've been lied to. I know they're scared and tired. But they wouldn't be there if we brought them home. And I support a full investment in their physical and mental and economic recovery. What I don't support is anyone participating in these wars, and that includes every single American who is not putting every spare moment into demanding that Congress stop forking over the money.

It's blood money. It's payment for murder. It cannot be defended. It cannot be permitted. We must stop it now. We must shut down the place it comes from.

Not another dime. Not another dollar. Not another death. Not another thought of revenge.

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Mark,

Compelling words, but you're a 911 Truther with insane beliefs, so why would a normal person treat you seriously?

Do you realize that you're not helping, and in fact hurting, the opposition to American intervention by having and expressing your crazy beliefs?

Interesting to note, Larry that you did find those words of Mark's compelling.
Your ad hominen response was very poor - you might say 'inane'.

Crab: Larry is known for his 'poisoning the well' logical fallacies. I explained it to him, slowly and in detail, but he is incapable of understanding even basic concepts. Either that, or he's a liar that pretends not to understand. Same result in these forums.

Folks: again, I wasn't attacking on the merits ... geesh.

My point was that Mark Golding seems like an educated fellow ... that he chooses to believe that the Towers were brought down by pre-planted thermite - as he has apparently been manipulated by the American right wing to believe this - is quite sad, and doesn't do any good for his position.

Yes indeed, it's very clear what you are doing. And it's called the Poisoning the Well fallacy. It's a long established, discredited logical error when making an argument.

Agreed Glenn, its totaly off topic, shamelessly stated to demean Mark's posting, just a plain as day ad hominen attack.

Larry, you choose your standard of discussion.

- Your term "chooses to believe" implies a lack of rational standards. About important issues we cant just 'choose' what we believe. If we could, why would we ever need to *Seek* the truth.

Glenn,

Previously, did you not immediately accuse me of being someone who was paid $.50 per post? You also said that I must be a Republican because I don't believe in your dumbass thermite conspiracy theory.

I'm not a Republican.

I find it ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS that the right wing in the U.S. has manipulated your feeble mind to believe in their silly pseudo-fascist conspiracy claims.

Do you still believe that I'm paid to post?

Is there anything else you want to say to poison the well?

Glenn,

You failed to address a number of things that I wrote in a previous thread. To wit:

Glenn,

You're really not that intelligent, are you? You live in a world of false dichotomy - i.e., if someone doesn't believe your crap, they must have the beliefs described by you above.

I don't believe in any of those above.

But I don't think you possess the mental capacity to understand that.

And now, after accusing me of being a paid shill who believes that Obama is a secret Muslim, you're gonna whine and whine and whine because I called you stupid.

Glenn,

Please also address the following, from a previous thread:

Heh Glenn, do you believe, as Anno believes that "nobody here believes that Obama had a Muslim education, except in order to be able to pose as a friend to Islam."

Do you believe what Jaded wrote:

"An Israeli firm controls security at Amsterdam airport by the way. Same with all the 9/11 flights. I guess saying this must make me an 'anti-semite' or something, but what the hell!"

Just how much do you align yourself with Texan right-wing nutjob Alex Jones - as much as Arsalan Goldberg?

Excellent post Mark. Very elegant. Glenn and crab, why dont you just ignore the nonsense Larry writes.

Amen

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